official offseason thread

[Genovaswitness]

hopefully fucktard poop retires once Trump gets re-elected

[DAF86]

I remember when I got shit here for saying we should have gone for Butler. :lol

[gambit1990]

I remember when I got shit here for saying we should have gone for Butler. :lol
and i got shît for saying the spurs should send parker to the heat for dragic :lol

[Chinook]

I remember when I got shit here for saying we should have gone for Butler. :lol

When? I remember I started a thread a couple of years ago asking about trading for Butler. You were for it, but no one seemed to be giving you any shit about it.

[DAF86]

When? I remember I started a thread a couple of years ago asking about trading for Butler. You were for it, but no one seemed to be giving you any shit about it.

Oh, I remember clearly because I would never imagine there would be so many people against the idea of getting a player the caliber of Butler. I got the typical "not Spurs material", "we already have DeRozan" and other ridiculous shit like that. :lol

If only timvp would stop fucking around with the search function. :lol

[Chinook]

Oh, I remember clearly because I would never imagine there would be so many people against the idea of getting a player the caliber of Butler. I got the typical "not Spurs material", "we already have DeRozan" and other ridiculous shit like that. :lol

If only timvp would stop fucking around with the search function. :lol

Google still works. Just search "spurstalk Jimmy Butler"

[exstatic]

So, with Brown being fired Jonathon Simmons tweeted: "Bout time they fired his ass"

Guess the old Spur comradeship is not in full force everywhere.

Simmons and Jack are both ass.

[gambit1990]

nerlens noel will be a free agent. hasn't done much in the POs but he's worth having the team, would be cheap.

[mo7888]

The most gettable name might wind up being New Orleans Pelicans guard Jrue Holiday, but he turned 30 in June and can hit free agency in 2021. Celtics guard Marcus Smart was mentioned as another good fit, yet it’s hard to see Boston being willing to move him.



– via Tim Bontemps @ ESPN.com

This quote is discussing the Warriors trading their #1 pick. If Smart + picks get considered by GS, then we need to get in on that discussion and put in an offer for #2..

[Prime BEEF]

Looks like there are some rumors about LMA possibly being traded to Brooklyn for lavert, Allen, prince. Not sure how much cap space the nets have but don’t see how they can make the money work.

would prefer LMA/Murray for Dinwiddie/Allen/Lavert. Doubt they’d give up Lavert though. Probably have to switch out Lavert for Prince. Would still do that deal too.

[Ignazzz]

https://www.google.pl/amp/s/www.inquisitr.com/6264138/spurs-lamarcus-aldridge-nets-2020-offseason-trade/amp/

adding White for it? Weird.

[Ignazzz]

https://www.inquisitr.com/6214630/demar-derozan-caris-levert-spurs-nets-hypothetical-deal/?_mcid=1*1mtl6uq*cid*VjE1S0lDelZmNGJNVVo4Q3diaGQ1T VA5cHJpUzJ2RC1oMjhtUFY5dzMyUVVqbmc3Uk5LZzlMZFBhZkt vanp5dg..*rid*cGFnZVZpZXdJZA..&_gl=1*1rsvl9f*_ga*YW1wLUhseDFTMUNkZlp2SWVLT1B3RDdo Tm9EbVZmVnZscTdBdjRBcktpdTNlcGJPNHF3Mm9VbmRIaGd5dF d0NFhxdE4.

dumper version same shit. dDR

[smush]

https://www.inquisitr.com/6214630/demar-derozan-caris-levert-spurs-nets-hypothetical-deal/?_mcid=1*1mtl6uq*cid*VjE1S0lDelZmNGJNVVo4Q3diaGQ1T VA5cHJpUzJ2RC1oMjhtUFY5dzMyUVVqbmc3Uk5LZzlMZFBhZkt vanp5dg..*rid*cGFnZVZpZXdJZA..&_gl=1*1rsvl9f*_ga*YW1wLUhseDFTMUNkZlp2SWVLT1B3RDdo Tm9EbVZmVnZscTdBdjRBcktpdTNlcGJPNHF3Mm9VbmRIaGd5dF d0NFhxdE4.

dumper version same shit. dDR
White and Keldon are off the table.
They can take Murray or Lonnie with LMA

[smush]

SUCCESS
https://tradenba.com/static/assets/images/teams/logos/png/SAS.pngSpurs+3 players ($34.1m), Cap Impact - $5.8M




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Caris LeVert
SF, 6' 6", -0.2 PIPM



$16.2M
3yrs


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Taurean Prince
SF, 6' 7"



$13.9M
2yrs


https://tradenba.com/static/assets/images/teams/logos/png/BKN.png



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Jarrett Allen
C, 6' 11", 1.74 PIPM



$3.9M
1yr


https://tradenba.com/static/assets/images/teams/logos/png/BKN.png





+6 increase in projected wins
https://tradenba.com/static/assets/images/teams/logos/png/BKN.pngNets+3 players ($39.9m), Cap Impact + $5.8M




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LaMarcus Aldridge
C, 6' 11", -0.15 PIPM



$24.0M
1yr


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Dejounte Murray
PG, 6' 4", -0.43 PIPM



$14.2M
4yrs


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Chimezie Metu
PF, 6' 9", -0.31 PIPM

[Prime BEEF]

https://www.inquisitr.com/6214630/demar-derozan-caris-levert-spurs-nets-hypothetical-deal/?_mcid=1*1mtl6uq*cid*VjE1S0lDelZmNGJNVVo4Q3diaGQ1T VA5cHJpUzJ2RC1oMjhtUFY5dzMyUVVqbmc3Uk5LZzlMZFBhZkt vanp5dg..*rid*cGFnZVZpZXdJZA..&_gl=1*1rsvl9f*_ga*YW1wLUhseDFTMUNkZlp2SWVLT1B3RDdo Tm9EbVZmVnZscTdBdjRBcktpdTNlcGJPNHF3Mm9VbmRIaGd5dF d0NFhxdE4.

dumper version same shit. dDR
No way dinwiddie would be backup PG to Murray like this article says. Dinwiddie is clearly the better player.

[spurspl]

really like this trade but spurs would have to add some picks to make it realistic. Nets wont give up two young talents for a 1yr of lma and a bust called murray.

edit: i just realized that allen has 1yr, i though he has 2yrs, sooo maybe if we add 11th pick and nets add their 19th it may work.

pg: white mills
sg: keldon lonnie
sf: levert prince
pf: (19th pick: jalen? stewart? poku?) gay lyles
c: allen, (41th pick: reed? tillman? perry? tillie?)

but still i cant see a room for a ddr after this trade

looks like a pretty nice rebuild but imo unlikely to happen

[smush]

Well LMA can agree to a extension like CP did.

[rankingtear]

really like this trade but spurs would have to add some picks to make it realistic. Nets wont give up two young talents for a 1yr of lma and a bust called murray.

Didn't Murray won all defensive second team and will make 16.5 mil a year. Doesn't seem like a bust.

[spurspl]

Didn't Murray won all defensive second team and will make 16.5 mil a year. Doesn't seem like a bust.

it was like 2yrs ago and now maybe hes still a decent defender but cant dribble, pass and score. Whats more 16mil a year for this kind of services for a 24yo guy?? For me its a bust

[RC_Drunkford]

I can't see Brooklyn doing that. DeAndre is Kyrie's and KD's man so I doubt that they want LA

[exstatic]

I can't see Brooklyn doing that. DeAndre is Kyrie's and KD's man so I doubt that they want LA

DeAndre is a fucking dinosaur in today’s NBA. I don’t think any configuration with Kyrie and KD is winning shit, but if you add DJ to that mix, you ensure that a title never comes yo Brooklyn.

[spurspl]

Well LMA can agree to a extension like CP did.

imo after his final yr on current contract hes gonna to portland to play his last yrs with his firend dame

[smush]

If nurkic and Melo are there I don’t see a place for LMA.

[rankingtear]

it was like 2yrs ago and now maybe hes still a decent defender but cant dribble, pass and score. Whats more 16mil a year for this kind of services for a 24yo guy?? For me its a bust

Ah you meant potentially overpaid next season. Well most players looks shit a year after ACL injuries. He's not overpaid this season though 2nd best rebounding point guard, 1st in steal rate in the NBA at 2.3 mil.

[mo7888]

really like this trade but spurs would have to add some picks to make it realistic. Nets wont give up two young talents for a 1yr of lma and a bust called murray.

edit: i just realized that allen has 1yr, i though he has 2yrs, sooo maybe if we add 11th pick and nets add their 19th it may work.

pg: white mills
sg: keldon lonnie
sf: levert prince
pf: (19th pick: jalen? stewart? poku?) gay lyles
c: allen, (41th pick: reed? tillman? perry? tillie?)

but still i cant see a room for a ddr after this trade

looks like a pretty nice rebuild but imo unlikely to happen

The Nets will do about whatever KD wants right now... I doubt we have to add any picks.

[BillMc]

If nurkic and Melo are there I don’t see a place for LMA.

An old LMA is better than an old Melo. Certainly on the defensive side. And he's beloved in Portland. He'll be the prodigal son.

[r0drig0lac]

Irving/Demar/Durant/Aldridge/Deandre with some 3&D forwards and guards on the bench, would win the championship in their first year and, if it doesn't work, they have all the space to pursue the Giannis/Durant duo in 21.

[talkspurs]

I laugh at how people are so willing to throw away DJM but wont let people get rid of lonnie. lonnie has shown less in the first 2 years. Also people are putting everrything into the bubble games. you had a good bubble you are untouchable. Not a good bubble. lets see if we can get a bag of chips for him (excpet lonnie. people still love him).

[spurspl]

I laugh at how people are so willing to throw away DJM but wont let people get rid of lonnie. lonnie has shown less in the first 2 years. Also people are putting everrything into the bubble games. you had a good bubble you are untouchable. Not a good bubble. lets see if we can get a bag of chips for him (excpet lonnie. people still love him).

lonnie isnt great and looks like some of his basketball skills dissapered with his hair but hes younger than djm,did not have a serious injury like djm, can dribble and shoot and whats most important isnt overpaid.

[spurspl]

Irving/Demar/Durant/Aldridge/Deandre with some 3&D forwards and guards on the bench, would win the championship in their first year and, if it doesn't work, they have all the space to pursue the Giannis/Durant duo in 21.

$ works if they gives us levert, dinwidie, allen, prince. Interesting. Looks
like a win win but the question is can nets handle with so many stars? i doubt

[TD 21]

Irving/Demar/Durant/Aldridge/Deandre with some 3&D forwards and guards on the bench, would win the championship in their first year and, if it doesn't work, they have all the space to pursue the Giannis/Durant duo in 21.

This isn't 2k. That team wouldn't win a championship in real life. Terrible spacing/defense and too many types who either need the ball or are better with it, which would inevitably lead to chemistry issues.

[talkspurs]

lonnie isnt great and looks like some of his basketball skills dissapered with his hair but hes younger than djm,did not have a serious injury like djm, can dribble and shoot and whats most important isnt overpaid.

DJM has a better FG and FT%. His 3pt% is not bad either. Lonnie has not shot as much so his % could go up or down but i bet his 3 would go down some. ast/to DJM is much better. I think people overblow DJM handels. his is not great but not as bad as some on here like to think. I also think he is getting better. DJm, Lonnie, Potel, White all seem to suffer from the same thing and that is Pop and wanting his stars to be stars. If he went back to more the beautiful game the team is much better. We played closer to this in the bubble. DJm is also a better Defender and is not really over price when you look at his contract and what he brings. Lonnie is still on a rokie deal and doubt he will still be that low when he resigns.
Your only 2 things that are true really are age and the major injury. but 2 years is not much especially when both are young and lonnie has had a injuries as well. (non as major).

[jjktkk]

I laugh at how people are so willing to throw away DJM but wont let people get rid of lonnie. lonnie has shown less in the first 2 years. Also people are putting everrything into the bubble games. you had a good bubble you are untouchable. Not a good bubble. lets see if we can get a bag of chips for him (excpet lonnie. people still love him).

I like DJM, but he's impeding the progress of White as the Spur's starting pg imo. I don't think they can coexist as your backcourt starters, so I wouldn't be opposed to trading Murray provided PATFO gets something decent in return.

[talkspurs]

I like DJM, but he's impeding the progress of White as the Spur's starting pg imo. I don't think they can coexist as your backcourt starters, so I wouldn't be opposed to trading Murray provided PATFO gets something decent in return.

This one I can understand more then Lonnie. I think they can Coexist though. I think what is holding them back is pop. White did just fine in the bubble with DJM playing.

[exstatic]

Irving/Demar/Durant/Aldridge/Deandre with some 3&D forwards and guards on the bench, would win the championship in their first year and, if it doesn't work, they have all the space to pursue the Giannis/Durant duo in 21.

Irving and KD are two of the biggest playoff chokers. They’re not winning anything.

[BackHome]

People need to stop saying Murray is a PG he is not that and Pop failed in trying that experiment. He is a SG and Pop needs to man up and say that White is the starting PG and give the kids some confidence that this is his show now. I am fine with not trading Murray I think if he looks in the mirror he will realize that he deffinitely needs to work on his handles and shooting and should be moved to SG if he wants a long NBA game. If I am him I am watching old Danny Green taps and try to be a better Danny cause he will never be as good as White at the PG position.

[TD 21]

Irving and KD are two of the biggest playoff chokers. They’re not winning anything.

:lmao Irving was part of the last untainted champion and one of the most impressive ones in history, hit the clinching shot and repeatedly outplayed Curry over 3 Finals.

They're probably not winning because Durant almost certainly won't be the same and even if he's still a top 10-15 type player, that's still a massive drop. They've also got to get better fitting pieces surrounding them, though they might actually have the assets to do so.

[rankingtear]

People need to stop saying Murray is a PG he is not that and Pop failed in trying that experiment. He is a SG and Pop needs to man up and say that White is the starting PG and give the kids some confidence that this is his show now. I am fine with not trading Murray I think if he looks in the mirror he will realize that he deffinitely needs to work on his handles and shooting and should be moved to SG if he wants a long NBA game. If I am him I am watching old Danny Green taps and try to be a better Danny cause he will never be as good as White at the PG position.

Nah dejounte is wired to be a scoring guard, his potential is not really a cerebral pick and roll guard like white or a spot up 3 and D like danny. To maximize his potential he needs to be the grab and go rebounding point guard, breakdown defense without needing a screen , downhill and kickout or pull up midrange, occasional C&S three. I think Dejounte diversifies your offensive attack and allows you to play faster( him and Lonnie ).

[SAGirl]

Oh, I remember clearly because I would never imagine there would be so many people against the idea of getting a player the caliber of Butler. I got the typical "not Spurs material", "we already have DeRozan" and other ridiculous shit like that. :lol

If only timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) would stop fucking around with the search function. :lol
I wanted him too. I do remember a few people mentioning his character and shit that was not his court skill. Like he quarreled with the coach in Chi and he quarreled with his teammates in Minnesota. Both teams were awful and the teammates didn’t like getting called out. I knew the Spurs weren’t going to go for him though.

[exstatic]

I wanted him too. I do remember a few people mentioning his character and shit that was not his court skill. Like he quarreled with the coach in Chi and he quarreled with his teammates in Minnesota. Both teams were awful and the teammates didn’t like getting called out. I knew the Spurs weren’t going to go for him though.

It wasn’t teammates, it was YOUNG teammates. He has alienated them at every stop. How do you come in and start shit with KAT, when he’s already an All Star and the team’s foundational player? Stupid.

[Dejounte]

Maybe the guy just really wanted to be in a city like Miami? Shit, I fucking would.

[SAGirl]

It wasn’t teammates, it was YOUNG teammates. He has alienated them at every stop. How do you come in and start shit with KAT, when he’s already an All Star and the team’s foundational player? Stupid.
I have no problem with players getting called out for lack of effort or having too high ego. KAT had issues with others too. I like him but he needs to be winning more games. He’s looking like the crybaby who couldn’t handle a teammate that wanted to win.

[r0drig0lac]

This isn't 2k. That team wouldn't win a championship in real life. Terrible spacing/defense and too many types who either need the ball or are better with it, which would inevitably lead to chemistry issues.

if the version of Aldridge 19 (38% of 3) is indicative of the future, Demar would have all the space in the world to operate with Durant, Irving and Aldrige (and the bench), if there was a problem it would be in chemistry, not in the adjustment (at least in theory).

[cd021]

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Spurs will move on from Aldridge this off-season.

The Spurs could be extremely close to the tax-- assuming the cap and luxury tax remains the same as this season and assuming they let Forbes, Beli and Zeller walk and re-sign Poeltl, Eubanks and the 11th pick.

Is it really worth it for the Spurs to be near the tax just to field a team that isn't likely to make the playoffs? Portland and Miami are still the two most obvious choices for Aldridge IMO.

Ariza, Hood and the 16th pick for Aldridge or Olynyk and the 20th pick for Aldridge both makes sense as possible packages, though probably not nearly as big of a return for LMA as the Spurs would probably like.

- Spurs save salary, enough to stay under the tax while also adding the 16th pick in the draft-- a really good return for Aldridge at age 35.

Portland improves a lot, essentially for the cost of the 16th pick while being safely under the luxury tax. They'd have to fill out the rest of their roster and would be very top heavy but I think they'd probably do that deal

-Spurs get the 20th pick for Aldridge and save a lot in salary. Miami gets a lot better by using a loophole in the Stepian rule to trade their pick in this draft. Its not an incredible draft but the 20 pick is still a solid pick, especially if the Spurs are selecting.

[TD 21]

if the version of Aldridge 19 (38% of 3) is indicative of the future, Demar would have all the space in the world to operate with Durant, Irving and Aldrige (and the bench), if there was a problem it would be in chemistry, not in the adjustment (at least in theory).

Durant and Irving aren't playing floor spacer for DeRozan and I doubt Aldridge would be willing to be a fourth fiddle.



The more I think about it, the more I think that the Spurs will move on from Aldridge this off-season.

The Spurs could be extremely close to the tax-- assuming the cap and luxury tax remains the same as this season and assuming they let Forbes, Beli and Zeller walk and re-sign Poeltl, Eubanks and the 11th pick.

Is it really worth it for the Spurs to be near the tax just to field a team that isn't likely to make the playoffs? Portland and Miami are still the two most obvious choices for Aldridge IMO.

Ariza, Hood and the 16th pick for Aldridge or Olynyk and the 20th pick for Aldridge both makes sense as possible packages, though probably not nearly as big of a return for LMA as the Spurs would probably like.

- Spurs save salary, enough to stay under the tax while also adding the 16th pick in the draft-- a really good return for Aldridge at age 35.

Portland improves a lot, essentially for the cost of the 16th pick while being safely under the luxury tax. They'd have to fill out the rest of their roster and would be very top heavy but I think they'd probably do that deal

-Spurs get the 20th pick for Aldridge and save a lot in salary. Miami gets a lot better by using a loophole in the Stepian rule to trade their pick in this draft. Its not an incredible draft but the 20 pick is still a solid pick, especially if the Spurs are selecting.

Fair enough, but if the tax is the primary concern, then ridding themselves of DeRozan should be the first priority, with Gay second. Aldridge is the best player/fit of the bunch.

People shouldn't think of 16 or 20 solely in and of themselves, but as a vehicle (along with 11) to potentially move up.

[Chinook]

Portland isn't an obvious choice as much as it's a meme. They like Nurkic and gave him a lot of money.

Miami does make sense if their run gets derailed. Otherwise, they probably keep their asset in preparation for another trade. Remember that they seem to be pretty good at drafting themselves and then to find ways to sell high on all of the young guys they do move on from.

Also, there's nothing wrong with being "close to the tax". They just need to stay under it, and they have numerous ways of doing so that don't involve trading away their best player.

[spurspl]

Nah dejounte is wired to be a scoring guard, his potential is not really a cerebral pick and roll guard like white or a spot up 3 and D like danny. To maximize his potential he needs to be the grab and go rebounding point guard, breakdown defense without needing a screen , downhill and kickout or pull up midrange, occasional C&S three. I think Dejounte diversifies your offensive attack and allows you to play faster( him and Lonnie ).
yeaa but his dribble, bbiq and decision making are still far away from being this kond of grab and go pg

[DAF86]

My guy, Geremi Grant, with some impressive defense on nephew last night, tbh.

[cd021]

Portland isn't an obvious choice as much as it's a meme. They like Nurkic and gave him a lot of money.

Miami does make sense if their run gets derailed. Otherwise, they probably keep their asset in preparation for another trade. Remember that they seem to be pretty good at drafting themselves and then to find ways to sell high on all of the young guys they do move on from.

Also, there's nothing wrong with being "close to the tax". They just need to stay under it, and they have numerous ways of doing so that don't involve trading away their best player.

-I think Portland makes sense, for a number of reasons; Aldridge seems to want to finish his career there, Lillard and Aldridge seem to want to teammates again and internal pressure from Lillard and CJ for the team to get better and limited options and limited options in which to do so.

Aldridge would mark a significant front court upgrade, essentially for the cost of the 16th pick-- which they seemed willing to trade before the trade deadline.

-Miami has a great track record of finding talent either through the draft or in the G-league. They could certainly keep their pick; viewing it as a means to find talent, or they can package it to try and improve following a likely trip to the East Finals.

Based on Riley's track record for making aggressive and splashy moves, swapping Olynyk and the 20th pick for Aldridge fits that and he'd definitely help their team.

-They can stay under the tax but it will be close, my point is that do they want to be in that position just to field a team that is unlikely to make the playoffs.

Aldridge seems likely to leave after next season, moving him in the off-season--especially after how well they played with out him, certainly seems possible. Portland and Miami should both have interest and have decent enough assets for it to make sense to move him to either.

[talkspurs]

If I trade with Miami I try to get Robinson and their pick. I think their pick is to low for us to trade Aldrige to them. Maybe at the trade deadline I would think about it but not during the summer. If they insits on KO then I would want this one and the one in 2022. Aldrige may be old but is still good enough to get more then a low 1st rd pick.

[cd021]

Fair enough, but if the tax is the primary concern, then ridding themselves of DeRozan should be the first priority, with Gay second. Aldridge is the best player/fit of the bunch.

People shouldn't think of 16 or 20 solely in and of themselves, but as a vehicle (along with 11) to potentially move up.

-I think they're more likely to hold onto DeRozan for next season, unless he wants out, and I don't see an obvious trade for Gay.

Aldridge seems like the most expendable of the three to be moved, given that the Spurs played well with out him and have two options to help replace him ( assuming that they are both re-signed) and he seems unlikely to return after next season.

-Its possible that they could package any extra picks to move up; one benefit of the NBA possibly moving the draft back further is that there is additional time to work out trades for the draft.

[DAF86]

-I think they're more likely to hold onto DeRozan for next season, unless he wants out, and I don't see an obvious trade for Gay.

Aldridge seems like the most expendable of the three to be moved, given that the Spurs played well with out him and have two options to help replace him ( assuming that they are both re-signed) and he seems unlikely to return after next season.

-Its possible that they could package any extra picks to move up; one benefit of the NBA possibly moving the draft back further is that there is additional time to work out trades for the draft.

There are plenty of obvious trades for Gay. Pretty much every contender would love to add Rudy to their team.

[TD 21]

-I think they're more likely to hold onto DeRozan for next season, unless he wants out, and I don't see an obvious trade for Gay.

Aldridge seems like the most expendable of the three to be moved, given that the Spurs played well with out him and have two options to help replace him ( assuming that they are both re-signed) and he seems unlikely to return after next season.

-Its possible that they could package any extra picks to move up; one benefit of the NBA possibly moving the draft back further is that there is additional time to work out trades for the draft.

I've always thought the "mid 3" were tied together, but if one were to go this off season, I'd imagine it'd be DeRozan.

It was an 8 game sample size under unusual circumstances. I wouldn't read too much into it. Besides, if they are going to lean further into the rotation we saw, then Aldridge's shooting would be crucial in that alignment.

[cd021]

There are plenty of obvious trades for Gay. Pretty much every contender would love to add Rudy to their team.

Such as...? I don't doubt that contenders would want Gay but do they have the salary filler and needed assets to make a trade?

I know it was reported that GSW may be interested and they have a trade exception but they don't seem to have much in the way of assets.

[BackHome]

Philly desperately needs to make some moves just for the sake of looking like they know what they are doing. I could see them, Miami, Orlando, and in play for Rudy and I would also include DEROZZ, and LMA. We also need to look at Poodle he may want out and would rather do a sign and trade then letting him walk for free

[cd021]

I've always thought the "mid 3" were tied together, but if one were to go this off season, I'd imagine it'd be DeRozan.

It was an 8 game sample size under unusual circumstances. I wouldn't read too much into it. Besides, if they are going to lean further into the rotation we saw, then Aldridge's shooting would be crucial in that alignment.

I wouldn't consider them to be tied together. If Aldridge gets moved then that doesn't mean that Gay or DDR would be. I don't think the Spurs want to bottom out. DeRozan is still an option, he could opt-in and then him and the team could work out a trade.


-True, though I think Poeltl has proven that he can be a solid starter and Eubanks seems perfectly capable of being a 15-18 mpg backup big man.

-Aldridge does still make sense with this team, especially if he continues to up his 3pt volume. Still, I think Aldridge is the most likely of the three to be moved for the reasons in my above post.

[exstatic]

Portland isn't an obvious choice as much as it's a meme. They like Nurkic and gave him a lot of money.

Miami does make sense if their run gets derailed. Otherwise, they probably keep their asset in preparation for another trade. Remember that they seem to be pretty good at drafting themselves and then to find ways to sell high on all of the young guys they do move on from.

Also, there's nothing wrong with being "close to the tax". They just need to stay under it, and they have numerous ways of doing so that don't involve trading away their best player.

Nurkic only has $4m guaranteed beyond the coming season, but the real reason it makes sense is that Dame wants it.

[Chinook]

-I think Portland makes sense, for a number of reasons; Aldridge seems to want to finish his career there, Lillard and Aldridge seem to want to teammates again and internal pressure from Lillard and CJ for the team to get better and limited options and limited options in which to do so.

Aldridge would mark a significant front court upgrade, essentially for the cost of the 16th pick-- which they seemed willing to trade before the trade deadline.

-Miami has a great track record of finding talent either through the draft or in the G-league. They could certainly keep their pick; viewing it as a means to find talent, or they can package it to try and improve following a likely trip to the East Finals.

Based on Riley's track record for making aggressive and splashy moves, swapping Olynyk and the 20th pick for Aldridge fits that and he'd definitely help their team.

-They can stay under the tax but it will be close, my point is that do they want to be in that position just to field a team that is unlikely to make the playoffs.

Aldridge seems likely to leave after next season, moving him in the off-season--especially after how well they played with out him, certainly seems possible. Portland and Miami should both have interest and have decent enough assets for it to make sense to move him to either.

You listed a number of reasons why Aldridge to PDX is a meme. Practically though, there's not a place for him at that salary, and there's not a role for him on the team that makes good use of his talent. Using the 16th pick on him would be a poor use of their resources, especially because the Blazers fans don't want him back. Signing LMA for his last year in the league to go on a redemptions/retirement tour with Lillard? Sure. Using all of your assets and flexibility on a guy who won't see crunchtime minutes? Nope. DeRozan could make some real sense for the Blazers. Not Aldridge

I think Aldridge would help Miami. I also think Riley will want to use cap space to sign a guy and then try to swing a trade for another player or use the pick on depth. If Aldridge is the difference in winning a title in 2021, then trading for him makes a ton of sense. If he's not, then it doesn't, because he's not going to be the difference in 2022.

I don't think the salary matters. The team has a operational budget of the tax, and I think they'll use that money no matter what. I also don't think PATFO sees the playoffs as unlikely. They probably don't have odds over 50 percent, but their odds are as good as any of the other 8-12 teams from this year, and Utah and Houston may well drop down. I don't think under an circumstances the team will make a major move to save money. They aren't going to dump LMA. They aren't going to stash their pick. They might RJ DeRozan or let one of Lyles/Poeltl walk. Could they look to move guys for value? Sure, especially if next season starts off poorly. But even those trades are more likely to add long-term money to their books than they are to alleviate it.

And I really don't see LMA as likely to leave at all. I think he's comfortable on the team and will be interested in an extension. I don't think he'd find the free-agent market kind, and even if he wants to go to a contender, he probably sees that as coming through a trade next year than by signing a contract. No legit contender is going to use their cap space on him. Staying in SA is a no-brainer. The only scenario that makes nearly as much sense would be if Portland has to deal Nurkic to get the forward upgrade they want and then has the contracts left over to also trade for Aldridge.

[tbdog]

LMA working on his recovery with TD was encouraging. It appears Spurs are still committed? I hope so.

[Chinook]

Nurkic only has $4m guaranteed beyond the coming season, but the real reason it makes sense is that Dame wants it.

Yes, but they didn't accidentally pay Nurkic that money. They wanted to do it, because they think he's really good.

And there's not a real reason it makes sense. Lillard hasn't been hitting the papers trying to force LMA back to Portland. I'm glad the two have patched up their feud, but that doesn't mean all of the sudden that's their top priority. Lillard wants to win more than anything.

[DAF86]

Such as...? I don't doubt that contenders would want Gay but do they have the salary filler and needed assets to make a trade?

I know it was reported that GSW may be interested and they have a trade exception but they don't seem to have much in the way of assets.

Such as GS, Lakers, Clippers, Jazz, Portland. Pretty much every playoffs team would be happy to have Gay on it's roster. An Athletic 6'8" veteran that can shoot and create his own shot is always valuable in today's NBA. There won't be any shortage of suitors when it comes to Rudy, tbh.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't consider them to be tied together. If Aldridge gets moved then that doesn't mean that Gay or DDR would be. I don't think the Spurs want to bottom out. DeRozan is still an option, he could opt-in and then him and the team could work out a trade.


-True, though I think Poeltl has proven that he can be a solid starter and Eubanks seems perfectly capable of being a 15-18 mpg backup big man.

-Aldridge does still make sense with this team, especially if he continues to up his 3pt volume. Still, I think Aldridge is the most likely of the three to be moved for the reasons in my above post.

DeRozan and Gay aren't keeping the Spurs from bottoming out.

In a vacuum, Poeltl is starting caliber, but a Lyles-DeRozan-Poeltl-White-Murray starting lineup is dangerously low on 3-point shooting. Eubanks, at least for now, is a deep bench player.

We'll see, but I suspect DeRozan is most likely of the three to be moved.

[gambit1990]

i guess POR is in a win now mode... but wouldn't they rather swing for someone else instead of la? or would they prefer la?

[Dverde]

Nurkic only has $4m guaranteed beyond the coming season, but the real reason it makes sense is that Dame wants it.

Dame want Nurk and LMA. No way we getting Nurk now. Maybe last trading deadline when he was still hurt. Zach Collins seems like the asset we’d get back in a trade.

[Dverde]

Key is to give Forbes a loaded one year contract to ensure a top five draft pick.

[TimDunkem]

I have no problem with players getting called out for lack of effort or having too high ego. KAT had issues with others too. I like him but he needs to be winning more games. He’s looking like the crybaby who couldn’t handle a teammate that wanted to win.

KAT is just another of those "foundation" pieces that are not actually real foundation pieces and will either eventually be traded or have to team up with 2-3 other all-stars before he ever has a chance at a chance of sniffing a ring.

[cd021]

Such as GS, Lakers, Clippers, Jazz, Portland. Pretty much every playoffs team would be happy to have Gay on it's roster. An Athletic 6'8" veteran that can shoot and create his own shot is always valuable in today's NBA. There won't be any shortage of suitors when it comes to Rudy, tbh.

I mean specific trades. I don't doubt that contender's want Gay. I haven't really heard any yet and am curious as to possible trades that would involve Gay

[cd021]

DeRozan and Gay aren't keeping the Spurs from bottoming out.

In a vacuum, Poeltl is starting caliber, but a Lyles-DeRozan-Poeltl-White-Murray starting lineup is dangerously low on 3-point shooting. Eubanks, at least for now, is a deep bench player.

We'll see, but I suspect DeRozan is most likely of the three to be moved.

- Assuming that the Spurs don't get any players of note in return for either or both, I would disagree with that. They weren't exactly good this season, without both, the Spurs would be much worse off. Same for next season.

-True, but the bubble SL didn't exactly have a lot of shooting either but they compensated, partially, but playing up-tempo though. That will be an issue, with Lyles subbed in for Walker, though.

- I'm skeptical that DeRozan is more likely to be moved but I wouldn't be opposed to it. But in that scenario, I don't think Gay or Aldridge would be likely to be moved before the season.

[ZeusWillJudge]

KAT is just another of those "foundation" pieces that are not actually real foundation pieces and will either eventually be traded or have to team up with 2-3 other all-stars before he ever has a chance at a chance of sniffing a ring.


Chris Bosh II

[exstatic]

Dame want Nurk and LMA. No way we getting Nurk now. Maybe last trading deadline when he was still hurt. Zach Collins seems like the asset we’d get back in a trade.

They’re more or less redundant, and both being paid a lot of money. Neither is a modern center, switchable on D. Doesn’t make sense to spend a huge chunk of the cap on both. I don’t have strong feelings about Nurkic either way, because he doesn’t come with a huge financial burden, One year plus $4M, but I think it makes sense for PDX to move him, either to us, or a third team.

[cd021]

You listed a number of reasons why Aldridge to PDX is a meme. Practically though, there's not a place for him at that salary, and there's not a role for him on the team that makes good use of his talent. Using the 16th pick on him would be a poor use of their resources, especially because the Blazers fans don't want him back. Signing LMA for his last year in the league to go on a redemptions/retirement tour with Lillard? Sure. Using all of your assets and flexibility on a guy who won't see crunchtime minutes? Nope. DeRozan could make some real sense for the Blazers. Not Aldridge

I think Aldridge would help Miami. I also think Riley will want to use cap space to sign a guy and then try to swing a trade for another player or use the pick on depth. If Aldridge is the difference in winning a title in 2021, then trading for him makes a ton of sense. If he's not, then it doesn't, because he's not going to be the difference in 2022.

I don't think the salary matters. The team has a operational budget of the tax, and I think they'll use that money no matter what. I also don't think PATFO sees the playoffs as unlikely. They probably don't have odds over 50 percent, but their odds are as good as any of the other 8-12 teams from this year, and Utah and Houston may well drop down. I don't think under an circumstances the team will make a major move to save money. They aren't going to dump LMA. They aren't going to stash their pick. They might RJ DeRozan or let one of Lyles/Poeltl walk. Could they look to move guys for value? Sure, especially if next season starts off poorly. But even those trades are more likely to add long-term money to their books than they are to alleviate it.

And I really don't see LMA as likely to leave at all. I think he's comfortable on the team and will be interested in an extension. I don't think he'd find the free-agent market kind, and even if he wants to go to a contender, he probably sees that as coming through a trade next year than by signing a contract. No legit contender is going to use their cap space on him. Staying in SA is a no-brainer. The only scenario that makes nearly as much sense would be if Portland has to deal Nurkic to get the forward upgrade they want and then has the contracts left over to also trade for Aldridge.

-I think Aldridge trading for Aldridge doesn't help them with their biggest issues, on the wing, but I do think he can be a floor raiser for the Blazers. Valid point though that he probably won't be closing games or at least it would be either him or Nurkic.

I hadn't actually considered DeRozan however, I think his fit is weird with Dame and CJ. Without the ball, he mucks up the spacing and with the ball, that means that Lillard and CJ don't have the ball. They'd also have no chance of stopping anyone but that probably isn't the case now either.

-I get that the Spurs are essentially able to spend up to the tax, so long as they don't go over it. But I also think that there might be a push to shed salary given their chances of making the playoffs next season and the financial hit teams have taken.

If Aldridge returns; the Spurs let Belineli and Forbes go, and continue on with a hybrid of the RS team and the bubble team, then that's actually not a bad team. Still, I don't think they realistically have a shot of making the playoffs. Teams like Memphis, Phoenix, and GSW should be a better than they were this season, meaning that there will be a dog fight for 8th again-- at best.

-Miami does have a lot of possible cap space, and could well want to sign someone and then trade for Aldridge, but their 20th pick is the key in a potential Aldridge trade. Actually selecting a player with that pick, means that it's less of an asset to the Spurs. I don't know if they the Spurs would be interested in a trade with Miami without picks involved and having to choose from their existing young players for returning value.

-I'm doubtful that Aldridge finishes his career with the Spurs, though its not impossible. I'm curious to see how the Spurs navigate the Poeltl situation. They can re-sign him, but it seems clear that he doesn't want to be a backup going forward. They can't play together, and if Aldridge stays beyond next season-- and continues to shoot the way he has, its not unclear that his offensive game will fall off enough to make him a bench player imo.

[Chinook]

-I think Aldridge trading for Aldridge doesn't help them with their biggest issues, on the wing, but I do think he can be a floor raiser for the Blazers. Valid point though that he probably won't be closing games or at least it would be either him or Nurkic.

I hadn't actually considered DeRozan however, I think his fit is weird with Dame and CJ. Without the ball, he mucks up the spacing and with the ball, that means that Lillard and CJ don't have the ball. They'd also have no chance of stopping anyone but that probably isn't the case now either.

I think he's a floor-raiser as well. I don't think the Blazers consider that valuable at all. They need a ceiling-raiser. DeRozan is that. HE doesn't need to dominate the ball all the time. He played with a high-usage PG for years. He can add play-making to the Blazers that they don't have (even Lillard is way more of a scorer). He also give them the option to explore a McCollum trade to look for the defensive players they'll need. That's a way better use of their assets.


I get that the Spurs are essentially able to spend up to the tax, so long as they don't go over it. But I also think that there might be a push to shed salary given their chances of making the playoffs next season and the financial hit teams have taken.

If Aldridge returns; the Spurs let Belineli and Forbes go, and continue on with a hybrid of the RS team and the bubble team, then that's actually not a bad team. Still, I don't think they realistically have a shot of making the playoffs. Teams like Memphis, Phoenix, and GSW should be a better than they were this season, meaning that there will be a dog fight for 8th again-- at best.

The Spurs are in the fortunate position of being able to keep their guys together while dodging the tax. Many clubs are caught flat-footed, so the tax payments should be high. There also should be an active trade market, which might help the Spurs as sellers, but could also help them as buyers too. They have expiring contracts and assets to trade. They will likely be much better this year too. I don't get why you're projecting them to be the same and for the other teams to get better. Some teams are going fall off as they lose talent and don't have the financial resources to replace it. Some will have worse lucky with injuries. Without trades, only the Clippers, Lakers and Nuggets are stable playoff teams. Dallas is probably up there too, but they'll likely be avoiding any contending moves until 2021's off-season. The Spurs are going to have their chances to make the playoffs. Hopefully they don't piss away gimme games against teams like Chicago next season.


-Miami does have a lot of possible cap space, and could well want to sign someone and then trade for Aldridge, but their 20th pick is the key in a potential Aldridge trade. Actually selecting a player with that pick, means that it's less of an asset to the Spurs. I don't know if they the Spurs would be interested in a trade with Miami without picks involved and having to choose from their existing young players for returning value.

It's not at all about what SA wants. I wasn't talking about next season. I mean that he'll want to sign a guy in 2021's summer and them look to trade for a fourth star using whatever assets he has (Herro, Robinson, 2021's pick). Or he might think Butler/Adebayo/FA is enough and will be glad he's kept his assets for depth/future trades. In trading the pick for LMA or DMDR, he knows he's probably burning it for a chance at a quicker title. That might be worth it, but it's really easy to see why it wouldn't be.


-I'm doubtful that Aldridge finishes his career with the Spurs, though its not impossible. I'm curious to see how the Spurs navigate the Poeltl situation. They can re-sign him, but it seems clear that he doesn't want to be a backup going forward. They can't play together, and if Aldridge stays beyond next season-- and continues to shoot the way he has, its not unclear that his offensive game will fall off enough to make him a bench player imo.

Poeltl isn't good enough to push Aldridge off the team. I don't really care if he wants to start. Let him go if that's the case. That's my own stance though. I think the Spurs will be willing to pay him as a starter and make an effort to work him into the rotation more before eventually settling back into something close to what he saw last year. Maybe then they'll look to trade Jakob away, likely for a dumb return.

As far as Aldridge goes, I think he has what he wants most from the NBA: A good contract, his own team and undisputed touches. If DeRozan moves on, then there's no reason why Aldridge won't be the face of the Spurs until he retires. That's why he left Portland in the first place. While I think he's matured to the point where he wouldn't run from a new Lillard, I think he's enjoyed his maturation as part of the Spurs, becoming the elder statesman of a club known for its elder statesmen. He also has his HoF chances to consider. A ring would help a lot, but swinging and missing at a ring has a cost. If he can stay for a few years in SA and put up good numbers where he can get higher up on their leaderboards and the team finds a way to have some playoff success, then he goes from long shot to "depends on who else retires that year". By far his best path is to stay, have one of the young guys develop and have SA be aggressive in free agency and trades to take a shot. That could happen.

[TD 21]

- Assuming that the Spurs don't get any players of note in return for either or both, I would disagree with that. They weren't exactly good this season, without both, the Spurs would be much worse off. Same for next season.

-True, but the bubble SL didn't exactly have a lot of shooting either but they compensated, partially, but playing up-tempo though. That will be an issue, with Lyles subbed in for Walker, though.

- I'm skeptical that DeRozan is more likely to be moved but I wouldn't be opposed to it. But in that scenario, I don't think Gay or Aldridge would be likely to be moved before the season.

I'd think they'd get a player(s) of note for DeRozan, then redistribute his touches to create a more modern shot profile, plus play better defensive personnel. Basically, what's happened with the Raptors, who immediately improved without both. Obviously, unexpected developments from youth played a role.

Again, small sample size though.

They'd probably have a talk with Aldridge in particular if DeRozan is moved. See what he wants to do.

[BackHome]

Only reason we have championships is we Tanked for David Robinson and then we Tanked for Timmy Duncan forget this death from a thousand cuts. Just blow it up if it is possible trade LMA, DEROZZ, Gay, and Murray if we get a decent return ie picks.

[Chinook]

The team didn't tank for Robinson. They were legit bad.

[spurspl]

Only reason we have championships is we Tanked for David Robinson and then we Tanked for Timmy Duncan forget this death from a thousand cuts. Just blow it up if it is possible trade LMA, DEROZZ, Gay, and Murray if we get a decent return ie picks.

exactly <3

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The NBA and NBPA have agreed to push back key dates such as Oct. 16 draft, Oct. 18 free agency and 2020-21 season, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). New dates will be determined later.

[ace3g]

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ESPN Sources: Oklahoma City coach Billy Donovan won’t be returning to the Thunder next season. Donovan’s contract expired at season’s end and the sides have decided against pursuing an extension.

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ESPN Sources: Oklahoma City coach Billy Donovan won’t be returning to the Thunder next season. Donovan’s contract expired at season’s end and the sides have decided against pursuing an extension.

Thats surprising. Wonder if Chris Paul had something to do with it?

[exstatic]

The team didn't tank for Robinson. They were legit bad.

They also set a then NBA record for player games missed with like 280 in the lost season before a Tim. David played just a handful of games, Sean missed half the season, and Avery missed like 60 games.

[DAF86]

Is coach Bud a cute regular season coach?

[Sugus]

Is coach Bud a cute regular season coach?

Absolutely, he had his flaws shown in the past already but got completely exposed this series by Spo and Miami. I don't understand posters who call for him... Same people rooting for DeMar when he's the player version of Bud. Good but with a very evident and sizeable ceiling. That won't get you anywhere that matters, just waste your time... I'd rather try out ten new coaches, in search for a Nick Nurse, than stay with a Dwayne Casey just because I know he can take me to the playoffs.

[gambit1990]

Thats surprising. Wonder if Chris Paul had something to do with it?
donovan's contract expired. report i read said both parties mutually agreed to not extend.

[gambit1990]

also this:

"We had planned to sit down at the end of the season and discuss the best way to move forward for both of us," Thunder executive vice president and general manager Sam Presti said in a statement. "After those discussions, it became apparent that we couldn't provide him the information on the future direction of the team over the next several seasons to give him the level of clarity that he understandably desires at this stage of his career.

pretty interesting quote.

[Robz4000]

donovan's contract expired. report i read said both parties mutually agreed to not extend.

I read all that too, but I wonder if Donovan decided not to return because of disagreements with CP3 or if they reported it was mutual to help Donovan save face.

[gambit1990]

I read all that too, but I wonder if Donovan decided not to return because of disagreements with CP3 or if they reported it was mutual to help Donovan save face.
i think the quote from presti means they're gonna end up moving cp3 and stick with being young / not get better and not compete.

i didn't see any indications of disagreement with cp3 and donovan but yeah, could've played a part if that happened. who knows.

[cd98]

Spurs should retire Pop and hire Donavan.

[KobesAchilles]

Spurs should retire Pop and hire Donavan.

[Kurik]

Spurs should retire Pop and hire Donavan.

:tu

[BackHome]

They also set a then NBA record for player games missed with like 280 in the lost season before a Tim. David played just a handful of games, Sean missed half the season, and Avery missed like 60 games.

It is called Tanking we sat players to loose any injury was mandatory 3 weeks out every team was tanking trying to get Timmy.

[exstatic]

i think the quote from presti means they're gonna end up moving cp3 and stick with being young / not get better and not compete.


That seemed to be the trend on Twitter. This could be a situation like coach Bud leaving ATL, where he just didn’t have the stomach for a teardown and rebuild.

[exstatic]

It is called Tanking we sat players to loose any injury was mandatory 3 weeks out every team was tanking trying to get Timmy.

Uh, no. David was never the same after playing those few games that year. His back never recovered. Sean’s quad issues and medications led directly to his kidney failure. Avery wouldn’t play that tanking game, and in fact, when he returned, led the to like a .500 record in 10-15 games.

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[Dex]

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[TD 21]

I read all that too, but I wonder if Donovan decided not to return because of disagreements with CP3 or if they reported it was mutual to help Donovan save face.

:lmao Why is your first instinct generally to blame the resident black superstar/star? There's no reason for Paul to want Donovan out or for the organization to coalesce to a 35 year old who's just passing through and will probably be traded this off season.

This was clearly a simple case of a supposedly in demand coach having other options and not wanting to coach a re-build. No black guy to blame or white guy to credit here.

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NBA’s league office informed Board of Governors today that the 2020-21 season won’t begin earlier than Christmas Day, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Nov. 18 Draft date, 20-21 start date remain fluid.

[timvp]

"The NBA is investigating a potential improper visit to the Grand Floridian Hotel on Disney’s campus by a coronavirus testing staffer, focusing on Houston Rockets forward Danuel House Jr. potentially violating protocols, sources have told The Athletic. A woman entered the Rockets’ team hotel on Monday night, passing multiple security checkpoints before being flagged for her entry, sources said. She exited the hotel in the early hours of Tuesday morning, and the league cited early data points that implicated two members of the Rockets, House and Tyson Chandler, sources said. When the woman was questioned by NBA security, she did not implicate House’s name and it is uncertain whether she remains on campus, sources said. She claimed to have contact with Chandler and another player, not named House, according to sources.

According to sources, the Rockets’ entire team had to enter a quarantine period on Tuesday due to the potential exposure. Those sources said there appears to be no video connecting House and the woman; only the flagging of her entering and leaving the hotel, and the possibility of a door opening and closing to match those timelines. The NBA has informed involved parties that it has circumstantial evidence implicating House."

:lol @ Rockets getting done in by a night nurse.

Honestly, though, assuming the "coronavirus testing staffer" was getting tested herself, not sure it's fair to House to basically end his season. A couple days of quarantine and missing a game sound fair. But, yeah, if she wasn't getting tested, I could see why he's toast.

[cd021]

I think he's a floor-raiser as well. I don't think the Blazers consider that valuable at all. They need a ceiling-raiser. DeRozan is that. HE doesn't need to dominate the ball all the time. He played with a high-usage PG for years. He can add play-making to the Blazers that they don't have (even Lillard is way more of a scorer). He also give them the option to explore a McCollum trade to look for the defensive players they'll need. That's a way better use of their assets.



The Spurs are in the fortunate position of being able to keep their guys together while dodging the tax. Many clubs are caught flat-footed, so the tax payments should be high. There also should be an active trade market, which might help the Spurs as sellers, but could also help them as buyers too. They have expiring contracts and assets to trade. They will likely be much better this year too. I don't get why you're projecting them to be the same and for the other teams to get better. Some teams are going fall off as they lose talent and don't have the financial resources to replace it. Some will have worse lucky with injuries. Without trades, only the Clippers, Lakers and Nuggets are stable playoff teams. Dallas is probably up there too, but they'll likely be avoiding any contending moves until 2021's off-season. The Spurs are going to have their chances to make the playoffs. Hopefully they don't piss away gimme games against teams like Chicago next season.



It's not at all about what SA wants. I wasn't talking about next season. I mean that he'll want to sign a guy in 2021's summer and them look to trade for a fourth star using whatever assets he has (Herro, Robinson, 2021's pick). Or he might think Butler/Adebayo/FA is enough and will be glad he's kept his assets for depth/future trades. In trading the pick for LMA or DMDR, he knows he's probably burning it for a chance at a quicker title. That might be worth it, but it's really easy to see why it wouldn't be.



Poeltl isn't good enough to push Aldridge off the team. I don't really care if he wants to start. Let him go if that's the case. That's my own stance though. I think the Spurs will be willing to pay him as a starter and make an effort to work him into the rotation more before eventually settling back into something close to what he saw last year. Maybe then they'll look to trade Jakob away, likely for a dumb return.

As far as Aldridge goes, I think he has what he wants most from the NBA: A good contract, his own team and undisputed touches. If DeRozan moves on, then there's no reason why Aldridge won't be the face of the Spurs until he retires. That's why he left Portland in the first place. While I think he's matured to the point where he wouldn't run from a new Lillard, I think he's enjoyed his maturation as part of the Spurs, becoming the elder statesman of a club known for its elder statesmen. He also has his HoF chances to consider. A ring would help a lot, but swinging and missing at a ring has a cost. If he can stay for a few years in SA and put up good numbers where he can get higher up on their leaderboards and the team finds a way to have some playoff success, then he goes from long shot to "depends on who else retires that year". By far his best path is to stay, have one of the young guys develop and have SA be aggressive in free agency and trades to take a shot. That could happen.

-I don't exactly consider DeRozan to be a ceiling raiser, I think he's a floor raiser. Maybe it could work but weren't the Lowry and DeRozan pairing a negative for pretty much the entire time that they played together? I don't know if that's a great fit. He certainly adds wing scoring and play-making but would be an issue. He may technically fill a position of need but he isn't the best fit for that position for Portland.

-The Spurs can skirt the luxury tax, which I agree, definitely puts them in a better position than other teams but I'm confused as to how a stagnant cap and tax line will result in playoffs teams becoming significantly worse. Are teams really going to be forced to trade away key players to get under the luxury tax?


-I'm not as high on the Spurs chances. I think that getting rid of Beli and Forbes should give them a chance to be a average defensive team while they should be fine as an offense. That, in theory, could put them back in 40 win territory--which is closer to the playoffs but I really don't see the significant drop off of several playoff teams. If anything, it seems that the floor will be raised in the west with bad teams getting better--not necessarily playoff better, but still.


-I'm not a fan of Aldridge staying beyond next season, nor do I think that he plans to play for that long. He's hinted in the past that he doesn't intend on playing that much longer, next season he'll turn 36 ahead of his free agency. I do think that Aldridge will at least have some demand in FA, though price could obviously be an issue. I think if he hits FA, there's a decent chance he leaves.

I like Jakob's game and think that he can be a good starter, albeit not a irreplaceable one. I think it would be foolish of the Spurs to alienate Poeltl by re-signing him only to have him to continue to backup Aldridge for another season or two. I'm of the mind that the Spurs should shop Aldridge now, for a return, and proceed with Poeltl.

[Chinook]

-I don't exactly consider DeRozan to be a ceiling raiser, I think he's a floor raiser. Maybe it could work but weren't the Lowry and DeRozan pairing a negative for pretty much the entire time that they played together? I don't know if that's a great fit. He certainly adds wing scoring and play-making but would be an issue. He may technically fill a position of need but he isn't the best fit for that position for Portland..

A bad fit is hoping Lillard constantly scores 50 points by dominating the ball and hitting long threes. Even when that works, that makes it harder for everyone to get into rhythm. They need play-making, period, and they aren't going to get that from the three-and-D forward that people think of when talking about fit.


-The Spurs can skirt the luxury tax, which I agree, definitely puts them in a better position than other teams but I'm confused as to how a stagnant cap and tax line will result in playoffs teams becoming significantly worse. Are teams really going to be forced to trade away key players to get under the luxury tax?

I'm not as high on the Spurs chances. I think that getting rid of Beli and Forbes should give them a chance to be a average defensive team while they should be fine as an offense. That, in theory, could put them back in 40 win territory--which is closer to the playoffs but I really don't see the significant drop off of several playoff teams. If anything, it seems that the floor will be raised in the west with bad teams getting better--not necessarily playoff better, but still.

Yes, some teams will either let guys walk or avoid using the MLE to bring in new guys. The Spurs could easily finagle the space to get an MLE. I don't think teams are going to be dumping stars to save money, but some will dump stars to rebuild, and some won't want to take on stars or high picks due to the contract. Like the Spurs might be able to get up to the second-overall pick just by taking on Wiggins for Murray and Gay, because no one else wants to take on that kind of salary right now. The Spurs can definitely handle it, especially if they don't intend to play the market in 2021.

Teams also will fall off. Like Phoenix was awful all year and just randomly caught fire. That doesn't mean they're actually going to challenge for a playoff spot. Memphis on the other hand was playing about their talent level were actually helped by the break even though they looked bad. Utah, OKC and Houston may well shift direction completely and trade away key players. The Spurs have the means to push for that fourth spot if they really want to go for it. But the question is going to be whether they are willing to pay the cost of making that run. I think they'd rather be sellers, but they're in the position to be buyers for the first time in a while.


-I'm not a fan of Aldridge staying beyond next season, nor do I think that he plans to play for that long. He's hinted in the past that he doesn't intend on playing that much longer, next season he'll turn 36 ahead of his free agency. I do think that Aldridge will at least have some demand in FA, though price could obviously be an issue. I think if he hits FA, there's a decent chance he leaves.

I like Jakob's game and think that he can be a good starter, albeit not a irreplaceable one. I think it would be foolish of the Spurs to alienate Poeltl by re-signing him only to have him to continue to backup Aldridge for another season or two. I'm of the mind that the Spurs should shop Aldridge now, for a return, and proceed with Poeltl.

I don't think LMA's on the team after next TDL if he doesn't sign an extension. I don't think the Spurs are thinking about this upcoming season as a title run, so they're probably not going to really want to play out the string with him unless they're more than content to let him walk. I think he'll play through his age-38 season. I don't think he's losing all this weight with the goal of retiring in mind. If that's true, and he has three more years in him, then there's zero reason to care about Poeltl's youth. He simply isn't good enough to worry about losing. Like if the team had everything put together and needed to know the five was locked down with their young perimeter core, that could make sense. Jakob is not a wing; him being an okay starter with good defense and efficient but sporadic offense doesn't automatically give him decent value. An extended LMA is the better short-term and long-term play. Of course, I was pushing for SA to trade Poeltl away to move up in the draft last year. So I definitely recognize the advantage of getting value out of guys you aren't going to keep. I just don't see a reason to prioritize making the lesser player happy.

[gambit1990]

more and more i see less of a point for the spurs to hang on to la.

i actually think he still has gas in the tank... but what's the point, spurs aren't contending next year and he's not getting younger. no reason to trade him right now though, let him get his value up.

> move demar quick.

[gambit1990]

if demar opts in, do the spurs have to wait for a period of time before they can trade him ??

[Chinook]

if demar opts in, do the spurs have to wait for a period of time before they can trade him ??

Nah. They can do it immediately, like how CP3 was traded after opting in with LAC.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1304445848005222400?s=19

#theyserious

[timvp]

Sources: USWNT star Alex Morgan to join Spurs

I saw that headline and thought Pop hired a new assistant coach, tbh.


https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1304445848005222400?s=19

#theyserious

Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder if it's just being set up by the young players or if the Spurs themselves are involved (I'm not sure they'd be allowed to do that). It can't be draft related because that surely wouldn't be allowed.

Back 15+ years ago the Spurs would have random mini-camps in the summer where current players would go up against random free agents trying to break into the league. It's how a few players like Udonis Haslem and Raja Bell were first discovered. IIRC, even Stephen Jackson played in one before the Spurs offered him a spot on their summer league team.

[ace3g]

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Sources: The NBA is planning for Draft Combine process beginning later this month with two parts:

- Mid-September to early October: In-market medicals and on-court; virtual interviews
- Mid-October to Draft date: In-person interviews; no workouts



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The NBA is still tenatively targeting a Nov. 18 draft, but that date could still move, sources tell ESPN. Plans continue to center around a virtual draft setting that would allow teams to have "war rooms" at their facilities, sources said.

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[BackHome]

Man the NBA needs to take a page from the NFL just set a damn date and stick to it stop changing your mind every two days.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1304445848005222400?s=19

#theyserious

I thought Luka wasn't going to be part of this since he was in Croatia but he posted on IG that he's on his way back to SA

[mo7888]

I thought Luka wasn't going to be part of this since he was in Croatia but he posted on IG that he's on his way back to SA

Smart decision on his part..

[spurspl]

giannis unfollowed bucks and teammates on IG. Interesting

[BillMc]

giannis unfollowed bucks and teammates on IG. Interesting

Don't know what it means, but shows a definite lack of maturity on his part.

[ace3g]

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D’Antoni, whose contract expired with the end of the Western Conference semifinals on Saturday, turned down extension offers prior to the season.



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ESPN Sources: Houston coach Mike D’Antoni is informing the franchise’s ownership today that he’s becoming a free agent and won’t return to the Rockets next season.

[pad300]

giannis unfollowed bucks and teammates on IG. Interesting

I read on realgm he had a meeting with Marc Lasry (Bucks co-owner)

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259554/Giannis-Antetokounmpo-Meets-With-Marc-Lasry-To-Discuss-Future-Of-Bucks

I guess he's not happy/on the market...

[gambit1990]

people on twitter were saying giannis unfollowed his teammates after last season too...

they were saying it was so he could get his mind off basketball ... :lol

https://media3.giphy.com/media/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH/giphy.gif

[widowmaker]

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D’Antoni, whose contract expired with the end of the Western Conference semifinals on Saturday, turned down extension offers prior to the season.



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ESPN Sources: Houston coach Mike D’Antoni is informing the franchise’s ownership today that he’s becoming a free agent and won’t return to the Rockets next season.

So hes gonna look for a new team to implement his unsuccessful system?

[UnWantedTheory]

people on twitter were saying giannis unfollowed his teammates after last season too...

they were saying it was so he could get his mind off basketball ... :lol

https://media3.giphy.com/media/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH/giphy.gif
I read an actual article that said he did last year as well.

[gambit1990]

I read an actual article that said he did last year as well.
i can believe it... strange behavior though imo... too emotional...

[spurspl]

people on twitter were saying giannis unfollowed his teammates after last season too...


I read an actual article that said he did last year as well.

wasnt sure, heard sth about it but cannot find any legit sources. Thats a really weird behavior. I wonder whats the purpose to unfollow any bucks connections every single season...

[Dex]

So hes gonna look for a new team to implement his unsuccessful system?

Sounds like Pacers are the front-runners. Guess he is tired of getting Dad-dicked every year in the West.

[Dverde]

So hes gonna look for a new team to implement his unsuccessful system?

He could go to The Knicks...oh wait

[bdictjames]

Just saw this gem on YouTube.. this clip is gold.. with Manu's interview, Pop's response, Baynes awaiting the reply and Timmy just cracking up lol. :lol


https://youtu.be/879XPw1nnn4

[cd021]

A bad fit is hoping Lillard constantly scores 50 points by dominating the ball and hitting long threes. Even when that works, that makes it harder for everyone to get into rhythm. They need play-making, period, and they aren't going to get that from the three-and-D forward that people think of when talking about fit.



Yes, some teams will either let guys walk or avoid using the MLE to bring in new guys. The Spurs could easily finagle the space to get an MLE. I don't think teams are going to be dumping stars to save money, but some will dump stars to rebuild, and some won't want to take on stars or high picks due to the contract. Like the Spurs might be able to get up to the second-overall pick just by taking on Wiggins for Murray and Gay, because no one else wants to take on that kind of salary right now. The Spurs can definitely handle it, especially if they don't intend to play the market in 2021.

Teams also will fall off. Like Phoenix was awful all year and just randomly caught fire. That doesn't mean they're actually going to challenge for a playoff spot. Memphis on the other hand was playing about their talent level were actually helped by the break even though they looked bad. Utah, OKC and Houston may well shift direction completely and trade away key players. The Spurs have the means to push for that fourth spot if they really want to go for it. But the question is going to be whether they are willing to pay the cost of making that run. I think they'd rather be sellers, but they're in the position to be buyers for the first time in a while.



I don't think LMA's on the team after next TDL if he doesn't sign an extension. I don't think the Spurs are thinking about this upcoming season as a title run, so they're probably not going to really want to play out the string with him unless they're more than content to let him walk. I think he'll play through his age-38 season. I don't think he's losing all this weight with the goal of retiring in mind. If that's true, and he has three more years in him, then there's zero reason to care about Poeltl's youth. He simply isn't good enough to worry about losing. Like if the team had everything put together and needed to know the five was locked down with their young perimeter core, that could make sense. Jakob is not a wing; him being an okay starter with good defense and efficient but sporadic offense doesn't automatically give him decent value. An extended LMA is the better short-term and long-term play. Of course, I was pushing for SA to trade Poeltl away to move up in the draft last year. So I definitely recognize the advantage of getting value out of guys you aren't going to keep. I just don't see a reason to prioritize making the lesser player happy.

-True, though I don't think DeMar is the right player to help change how Portland plays.

-Other west playoff teams may get worse but certainly not enough to make the Spurs able to challenge for a top 4 seed. Most team's weren't expected to have cap space, and many weren't expected to have access to the full MLE even before Covid.

-It definitely changes things and impacts the financial situation but don't think it will result in good teams getting significantly worse. They may not get better-- which is an issue, in and of itself, for teams who are trying to compete for a title though.

-Assuming the Spurs keep most of this team together, minus Forbes and Belinelli, they'll be good enough to compete for the playoffs-- possibly even without Aldridge, but definitely not a top 4 seed IMO. There's always the risk that Aldridge and/ or Gay declines-even DeMar. Were that the case, then this team could back in the same spot as they were for much of this season.

-I doubt they are willing to pay that cost, just to chase the playoffs-- or at least they shouldn't. I wouldn't get the reasoning tbh. I also have my doubts about LMA playing another 3 seasons, he may hold up pretty well but I don't think he's given indication that he plans to play that long and I don't even think he'll necessarily be a Spur for the rest of his career.

They should shop Aldridge and try and get the best possible return and then play out next season before proceeding with a rebuild/ heavy retooling.

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ESPN Sources: NBA has locked in November 18th for the 2020 Draft. Date had been tentative.

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Sources: The NBA has sent teams revamped guidelines informing them that it is organizing the 2020 pre-Draft process (preliminary schedule Sept. 21-Oct. 16) — which will include 85 prospects conducting in-market medical exams, testing, and shooting 45-minute “Pro Day Video.”

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NBA teams will be permitted to accept and watch video footage draft-eligible players working out providing workouts involve no more than one player, a source said.


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NBA will run entire predraft process and distribute to teams. Interviews consist of 10 questions; teams assigned 20 players for 30 min. each. Prospects travel by car to nearest team market for medical/strength/agility testing, 8 on-court shooting drills. No team personnel allowed

[gambit1990]

like i said on the first page, spurs should target dwight howard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki24FeB1nyA

[BackHome]

Yeah right maybe 10 years ago we don’t need any more dinosaurs on this team.

[poopbox]

The number 1 priority the spurs should have next season is finding out if Murray, White, Walker, Keldon, and Luka, can play together. The number 2 priority is, assuming LMA, Demar, and Gay, come back, is trying to take advantage of some team in win now mode to see if you can move one of those 3 for something useful, and useful would be a 1st round pick or another young player. Front office already made an all time mistake not trading Kawhi for young players and picks. They don't need to compound it by hanging on to guys in there mid 30's so they can continue to go home in the 1st round

[talkspurs]

The number 1 priority the spurs should have next season is finding out if Murray, White, Walker, Keldon, and Luka, can play together. The number 2 priority is, assuming LMA, Demar, and Gay, come back, is trying to take advantage of some team in win now mode to see if you can move one of those 3 for something useful, and useful would be a 1st round pick or another young player. Front office already made an all time mistake not trading Kawhi for young players and picks. They don't need to compound it by hanging on to guys in there mid 30's so they can continue to go home in the 1st round

Agree with everything you say except I would add in Potel and Metu. I know some are not big on these players but I think we really need to see what they do over a couple game stretch in the big league. This would be the biggest reason i could see for letting lyles go. If he stays you can and in him and Euwbanks to the list.

[Dejounte]

^the Metu experiment is clearly over. The dude could not get minutes in the bubble where development was prioritized.

[talkspurs]

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/How-did-Chimezie-Metu-fare-this-season-and-what-15210378.php

[tbdog]

Can a subscriber post that?

[poopbox]

Agree with everything you say except I would add in Potel and Metu. I know some are not big on these players but I think we really need to see what they do over a couple game stretch in the big league. This would be the biggest reason i could see for letting lyles go. If he stays you can and in him and Euwbanks to the list.

I had high hopes for Metu but every time I seen him play in an nba games he looks like it's the first time he ever played basketball

[talkspurs]

I had high hopes for Metu but every time I seen him play in an nba games he looks like it's the first time he ever played basketball

I think that could be caused by not being familiar with teammates or not knowing what his role is. He does have the benefit of playing with the farm system but as we see with so many of the young guys they are all afraid to mess up. I am thinking if he could have a good run of 20 games of playing 30 mins or so it could really help him out and see what he has. In the year of playing young guys and him not having much of a cap hit I dont think it would hurt to have him play. If he is not good and we lose games it helps our draft pick. If he is good then we found someone else to play. We are going to need cheap players and him at just over a mil does not get much cheaper. He also was looked at a few year project (like luka) when they drafted him.

[cd021]

^the Metu experiment is clearly over. The dude could not get minutes in the bubble where development was prioritized.
Yeah, probably. Though he is cheap enough, that they may keep him for another season rather than having a random vet fit fill that spot. Especially with the Spurs being close-ish to the luxury tax.


I had high hopes for Metu but every time I seen him play in an nba games he looks like it's the first time he ever played basketball

Agreed. He did improve his play in the G-League but looked completely lost in the NBA, even in garbage time.

[kobyz]

3 teams trade idea:
Boston get: LMA
Pacers get: Gordon Hayward
Spurs get: Sabonis, 2 first from Boston

[exstatic]

I think that could be caused by not being familiar with teammates or not knowing what his role is. He does have the benefit of playing with the farm system but as we see with so many of the young guys they are all afraid to mess up. I am thinking if he could have a good run of 20 games of playing 30 mins or so it could really help him out and see what he has. In the year of playing young guys and him not having much of a cap hit I dont think it would hurt to have him play. If he is not good and we lose games it helps our draft pick. If he is good then we found someone else to play. We are going to need cheap players and him at just over a mil does not get much cheaper. He also was looked at a few year project (like luka) when they drafted him.

If the Spurs had those kinds of plans for him, he would have played in the bubble. He’s had his few years. It’s not that he doesn’t know his teammates, he just is more of an athlete than a basketball player. He’s also a bit of a black hole.

[objective]

3 teams trade idea:
Boston get: LMA
Pacers get: Gordon Hayward
Spurs get: Sabonis, 2 first from Boston

In general I think it's reasonable if Boston wants to get an upgrade.

I don't think Indiana would do Sabonis and would instead be open to trading Turner.

There's some small additions that might have to happen to make the money work, like adding McDermott to the Spurs and Leaf to the Celtics. Maybe Indiana would demand one of Boston's picks.

But Hayward did go to college in Indianapolis and I think in general everything fits.

Either Sabonis or Turner, both are 24 and under contract for 3 more years and fit the Spurs timeline.

[Kurik]

I think the priority for the Pacers will be to trade away Oladipo and his expiring contract. For 1 year I think it would be worth it to take him on if we got some picks/assets out of it if the Pacers are looking to make a run.

[talkspurs]

If the Spurs had those kinds of plans for him, he would have played in the bubble. He’s had his few years. It’s not that he doesn’t know his teammates, he just is more of an athlete than a basketball player. He’s also a bit of a black hole.

I might be one of the few but I dont think the Spurs were in development mode as much as some people think. I think they did try and use more youth but it was still about winning. LMA was already out. Beli was playing till he got hurt. Gay played all but the last game. If they were trying to do development they would have done more of the last game. IM glad we got to see KJ and a more confident white but why did Beli and when he got hurt Mills need to play. We could have easily used more of Luka or Metu and slid DDR back to 3. Or even not played him and gay at all in a few more games.

[Dverde]

I think the priority for the Pacers will be to trade away Oladipo and his expiring contract. For 1 year I think it would be worth it to take him on if we got some picks/assets out of it if the Pacers are looking to make a run.

But, why? They trying to build around him.

[Kurik]

But, why? They trying to build around him.

Not sure if they have any truth to them but I've seen articles about Oladipo wanting to sign somewhere else and the team not looking to resign him after next season. Oladipo is no longer worth building around unless he stays on for a cheap contract. He was pretty bad during the regular season and the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1308154226670006272?s=19

Something tells me "The Last Dance" was something our young Spurs watched and loved and now they're trying to do the same thing.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1308154226670006272?s=19



Something tells me "The Last Dance" was something our young Spurs watched and loved and now they're trying to do the same thing.



Apparently they requested a gym be built just for these mini camps, photos below

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[talkspurs]

so is the mini camp over? I realise it is a mini camp but still it was not very long?

[ace3g]

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Sources: The NBA G League is seriously discussing tournament featuring the elite Ignite team — led by Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga — and other teams (undrafted players, etc.) in a bubble environment in November/December. Decisions are still fluid.
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The NBA’s goal for 2020-21, Silver said, remains playing a “standard season” ... meaning 82 games plus playoffs Silver, though, acknowledged to Costas that it will most likely be a 2021 season with no games played in 2020 after completion of the NBA Bubble schedule in October
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NBA commissioner Adam Silver tells Bob Costas on @CNN (https://twitter.com/CNN/) that his “best guess” is that next season will begin in January at the earliest
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Billy Donovan has agreed to a deal to become the next coach of the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN.

[ace3g]

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Former New Orleans Pelicans general manager Dell Demps has agreed to join the Utah Jazz as an assistant coach, reuniting with Quin Snyder, sources tell ESPN.

[objective]

Maybe Spurs get lucky and someone offers Forbes a contract.

76ers have the taxpayer midlevel and Elton Brand might think Forbes is a reasonable JJ Redick replacement spacing the floor for Simmons and Embiid. Plus with defenders like Simmons, Embiid, Thybulle, etc, they might think they can handle Bryn's anti-hustle.

And maybe the Bucks could want him?

I have heard Bucks podcasters talk up trading for Patty Mills, and I think I heard a 76er podcast do the same.

Hard to imagine Pop parting with either of his guys, and almost as hard thinking the braintrust behind DeMarre Carroll's killer dead money deal could even finesse a deal into happening without the Spurs somehow getting fleeced as usual.

[DavidTheGoliath]

Maybe Spurs get lucky and someone offers Forbes a contract.


Spurs dont need to be lucky. Not offering Brent shit doesnt need luck.

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In Clippers press release, says “Steve Ballmer and Doc Rivers have reached a mutual decision that Rivers will step down as head coach of the L.A. Clippers.”


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New Orleans Pelicans and Philadelphia 76ers have already reached out to former Clippers head coach Doc Rivers in regards to their head coach openings, sources told @TheUndefeated (https://twitter.com/TheUndefeated/).

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In Clippers press release, says “Steve Ballmer and Doc Rivers have reached a mutual decision that Rivers will step down as head coach of the L.A. Clippers.”


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New Orleans Pelicans and Philadelphia 76ers have already reached out to former Clippers head coach Doc Rivers in regards to their head coach openings, sources told @TheUndefeated (https://twitter.com/TheUndefeated/).



i was just about to post this.

I think the Clippers should’ve given him until next season before letting him go but I understand why he is out as the coach in Los Angeles

[SPURt]

What if Pop goes to coach the Clippers :stirpot:

[Mugen]

Man, good for Doc tbh :lol

[tbdog]

For those who think tanking works, look at the Heat. They lost LeBron to free agency, Bosh to a career ending illness, Wade to retirement. Haslem was also their core player, lost to retirement. They never tanked and now in the finals.

Sixers tanked, one of the worst regular season winning percentage, the longest losing streak. Multiple high round picks. Nothing to show for it.

The point is, tanking guarantees loses and doesn't guarantee anything more.

[TD 21]

For those who think tanking works, look at the Heat. They lost LeBron to free agency, Bosh to a career ending illness, Wade to retirement. Haslem was also their core player, lost to retirement. They never tanked and now in the finals.

Sixers tanked, one of the worst regular season winning percentage, the longest losing streak. Multiple high round picks. Nothing to show for it.

The point is, tanking guarantees loses and doesn't guarantee anything more.

Every possible path is highly likely to fail when it comes to a championship . . . but the reality is, was and will always be, you generally need a superstar and high end talent period and the highest probability of finding them is at or near the top of a draft (especially in a non glamor market).

The Heat aren't in this position if not for that last point because Butler, a top 15 player, isn't signing with them if they're located here for example.

[ZeusWillJudge]

LMAO. Rivers caught shit for giving Kawhi "star treatment". Pop caught shit for not giving Kawhi star treatment. And remember Kawhi had missed something like 1 out of 4 games for "load management" when he got videoed in that titty bar. I guess it's hard to know exactly how to coach an Autist.

I wonder if Jerry West was on-board with firing Doc? If he wasn't, and Ballmer made the decision on his own, it could really come back to bite them on the ass. Especially since they mortgaged their future on West's advice.

And then the question of who to hire. There's no way the Clippers can hire a white guy right now. Doc was one of just five black head coaches. Maybe Pop's reputation could carry hiring him there, but I don't think many others could. Lue was already talking about head coaching jobs elsewhere, and they aren't going to give the job to Billups. I don't think they'll hand it over to Ime. Wes Unseld Jr.?

[tbdog]

Every possible path is highly likely to fail when it comes to a championship . . . but the reality is, was and will always be, you generally need a superstar and high end talent period and the highest probability of finding them is at or near the top of a draft (especially in a non glamor market).

The Heat aren't in this position if not for that last point because Butler, a top 15 player, isn't signing with them if they're located here for example.

Butler made it clear he wasn't signing there for the beaches. He liked how the organisation held their players responsible. He is a work nut that calls out his players. Heat are well run in that regard.

[kobyz]

Spurs get: Wiggins, #2, #14
Warriors get: Hayward, #26
Celtics get: LMA

[Kawhitstorm]

LMAO. Rivers caught shit for giving Kawhi "star treatment". Pop caught shit for not giving Kawhi star treatment. And remember Kawhi had missed something like 1 out of 4 games for "load management" when he got videoed in that titty bar. I guess it's hard to know exactly how to coach an Autist.

I wonder if Jerry West was on-board with firing Doc? If he wasn't, and Ballmer made the decision on his own, it could really come back to bite them on the ass. Especially since they mortgaged their future on West's advice.

And then the question of who to hire. There's no way the Clippers can hire a white guy right now. Doc was one of just five black head coaches. Maybe Pop's reputation could carry hiring him there, but I don't think many others could. Lue was already talking about head coaching jobs elsewhere, and they aren't going to give the job to Billups. I don't think they'll hand it over to Ime. Wes Unseld Jr.?

Yeah, Nick Nurse went from zero to hero riding Kawhi’s coattails.:lol

Every other player that Doc coached had beef with him including Choke-P3 & we all know Poop was getting called out by Softridge even before Uncle Dennis put the nail in the coffin. At the end of the day, Doc met his match & that was the end of his chapter ala Dwayne Casey.

Can’t wait till Poop offers Plumlee the max & recreates the twin-tower by teaming him up with Poodle.:toast

[RC_Drunkford]

Yeah, Nick Nurse went from zero to hero riding Kawhi’s coattails.:lol

Every other player that Doc coached had beef with him including Choke-P3 & we all know Poop was getting called out by Softridge even before Uncle Dennis put the nail in the coffin. At the end of the day, Doc met his match & that was the end of his chapter ala Dwayne Casey.

Can’t wait till Poop offers Plumlee the max & recreates the twin-tower by teaming him up with Poodle.:toast

:lmao keep trying :lmao :lmao :lmao

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah, Nick Nurse went from zero to hero riding Kawhi’s coattails.:lol

Every other player that Doc coached had beef with him including Choke-P3 & we all know Poop was getting called out by Softridge even before Uncle Dennis put the nail in the coffin. At the end of the day, Doc met his match & that was the end of his chapter ala Dwayne Casey.

Can’t wait till Poop offers Plumlee the max & recreates the twin-tower by teaming him up with Poodle.:toast
Would rather have Plumlee than Rudy Gay tbh. Or instead of Poodle as well.

[talkspurs]

Spurs get: Wiggins, #2, #14
Warriors get: Hayward, #26
Celtics get: LMA

I like this trade. Could see why each of the teams would do it. I would think that the warriors would want either our 11th or get the 14th and we would get the 26. I dont know how much interest they would have in Haywood but I could see him and a mid round pick being enough if they consider wiggins a negative but I dont know how much they dont like him.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao keep trying :lmao :lmao :lmao

Y’all the ones eating a pint of ice cream & crying about being dumped for 2 years straight :sleep

[TD 21]

Butler made it clear he wasn't signing there for the beaches. He liked how the organisation held their players responsible. He is a work nut that calls out his players. Heat are well run in that regard.

Who's going to admit otherwise? Not that I think lying per se, but I also don't think he's not signing with them despite the so called cultural fit, if they're in a non glamor market.

[tbdog]

Who's going to admit otherwise? Not that I think lying per se, but I also don't think he's not signing with them despite the so called cultural fit, if they're in a non glamor market.

It was probably a combination. Butler wanted his team and culture that suits him.

[RC_Drunkford]

Y’all the ones eating a pint of ice cream & crying about being dumped for 2 years straight :sleep

you’re the one defending Kovid Klaw in a Spurs forum. Get a life. Go get some
money :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Ignazzz]

Spurs get: Wiggins, #2, #14
Warriors get: Hayward, #26
Celtics get: LMA

It will cancel our 2021 or 2022 FA’s plan and flexibility.
Wiggins awfull contract. Selfish player

[kobyz]

It will cancel our 2021 or 2022 FA’s plan and flexibility.
Wiggins awfull contract. Selfish player

We much better plan to get a star through the draft and not through frre agency

[Kawhitstorm]

you’re the one defending Kovid Klaw in a Spurs forum. Get a life. Go get some
money :lmao :lmao :lmao

Living rent free considering a post about everything Kawhi is the longest running thread, let me know when the Sperms recover from being annihilated by Uncle Dennis.:toast

[Dejounte]

The meltdown by this Kawhi nut rider lmfao

[RC_Drunkford]

Living rent free considering a post about everything Kawhi is the longest running thread, let me know when the Sperms recover from being annihilated by Uncle Dennis.:toast

you still here? :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

you still here? :lmao :lmao :lmao

Yup, rent free :toast

[look_at_g_shred]

Bogdan from Sac. Let's make this happen!

[BackHome]

I wonder if we could work a trade to Saco for Bogdan and they get DEROZZ as it’s back in his home town state.

[look_at_g_shred]

I wonder if we could work a trade to Saco for Bogdan and they get DEROZZ as it’s back in his home town state.
He's going to be a FA

[ace3g]

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After a rapid courtship and negotiation, Doc Rivers has reached agreement on a deal to become the next coach of the Philadelphia 76ers, sources tell ESPN.
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He wont have to worry about blowing a 3-1 lead bc the 76ers are never going to be in a position to win a series to begin with





After a rapid courtship and negotiation, Doc Rivers has reached agreement on a deal to become the next coach of the Philadelphia 76ers, sources tell ESPN.
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After a rapid courtship and negotiation, Doc Rivers has reached agreement on a deal to become the next coach of the Philadelphia 76ers, sources tell ESPN.
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Figured that was coming. They were smart for getting it done early, to give him time to get assistants pinned down, and decide what they want to do in the draft.

[lefty]

TNT Spurs Gone Fishing in case you missed it :lol at 1:28

https://youtu.be/HhH1iAvAt8M

[pad300]

How much trouble is Rudy Gobert in?

https://www.outkick.com/rudy-gobert-on-concentration-camps-in-china-wrong-is-wrong/

He's right... but the NBA doesn't like to admit bad things about China.

[BackHome]

Yeah I am sure a lot of NBA owners and players are just a tad bit upset about this. The amount of revenue players and the league was looking at was pretty impressive to say the least.

[exstatic]

It will cancel our 2021 or 2022 FA’s plan and flexibility.
Wiggins awfull contract. Selfish player

Not to mention that the Warriors get butt fucked.

#2 for #26, and broken ass MAGAt Hayward. Yeah, they’re not doing that.

[exstatic]

It will cancel our 2021 or 2022 FA’s plan and flexibility.
Wiggins awfull contract. Selfish player

Not to mention that the Warriors get butt fucked.

#2 for #26, and broken ass MAGAt Hayward. Yeah, they’re not doing that.

[Chinook]

It's not the worse deal on Earth. They then can turn the Minny pick or 26 along with their TE into another role-player. They don't have a tomorrow. They don't need a tomorrow. They just need to get the best player for 2 that they can.

[rankingtear]

1311821549025087494

[exstatic]

It's not the worse deal on Earth. They then can turn the Minny pick or 26 along with their TE into another role-player. They don't have a tomorrow. They don't need a tomorrow. They just need to get the best player for 2 that they can.

Actually, it IS the worst deal on earth. For #2, they can get a far better ‘now’ player than Gordon Hayward’s broke down ass.

[Chinook]

Actually, it IS the worst deal on earth. For #2, they can get a far better ‘now’ player than Gordon Hayward’s broke down ass.

I don't know that that's true, especially considering the ballast is Wiggins. Like Maybe the Spurs are willing to do DMDR/LMA and Murray for Wiggins and a pick swap. But they'd have to think DJM is completely sunk cost and that moving him would functionally mean cutting Wiggin's contract in half. That's basically the only way I see this working -- GS taking back bad money with their TE to reduce the pain of taking on Wiggins.

[rankingtear]

I don't know that that's true, especially considering the ballast is Wiggins. Like Maybe the Spurs are willing to do DMDR/LMA and Murray for Wiggins and a pick swap. But they'd have to think DJM is completely sunk cost and that moving him would functionally mean cutting Wiggin's contract in half. That's basically the only way I see this working -- GS taking back bad money with their TE to reduce the pain of taking on Wiggins.

Oh God No, Wiggins does two things well make you lose games and fuck up your salary cap. The ultimate tank commander.

[Seventyniner]

I don't know that that's true, especially considering the ballast is Wiggins. Like Maybe the Spurs are willing to do DMDR/LMA and Murray for Wiggins and a pick swap. But they'd have to think DJM is completely sunk cost and that moving him would functionally mean cutting Wiggin's contract in half. That's basically the only way I see this working -- GS taking back bad money with their TE to reduce the pain of taking on Wiggins.

If I'm the Spurs I would insist on GS including the Minny 2021 first they have too and/or not including #11. DeRozan + Murray + #11 for only Wiggins +#2 sounds awful to me.

[gambit1990]

the offseason will be shorter than usual if basketball resumes in late december.

[Ocotillo]

the offseason will be shorter than usual if basketball resumes in late december. And with the break in the current season, that will be ok. With the Lakers and Heat still playing, they may have a slight advantage as they will be fresher than non-bubble teams when things kick off again.

[gambit1990]

while we wait for spurs basketball to return:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJUhzQEPCvE

[gambit1990]

manu beating harden, they used the true detective theme song in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIN4OEmOsPI&amp;feature=youtu.be

[gambit1990]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1313478489824165898?s=20

[cool cat]

Good news, we are no longer paying Pau.

Bad news, we still owe DeMarre 7 mil.

[DAF86]

Good news, we are no longer paying Pau.

Bad news, we still owe DeMarre 7 mil.

That fucking signing. We would still have Davis. :bang

[GAustex]

That fucking signing. We would still have Davis. :bang
I wonder how the Holts feel about poop giving a paycheck to broke down can’t run or jump tin man DeMarre

[gambit1990]

pop will re-sign forbes if he doesn't receive offers.

[gambit1990]

will eubanks stay a spur?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZh9PdLtbWo

[Sugus]

will eubanks stay a spur?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZh9PdLtbWo

I'd hope so, the Spurs should re-sign him if the price isn't too steep. The bubble play showed he at least has a place in the rotation as an energy, offense-oriented big, he definitely is close to his low ceiling but that doesn't mean he isn't serviceable; and besides, until the Spurs get a true starting C prospect that can contribute on both ends of the floor, Eubanks is a nice compliment to Jakob's defensive-oriented play.

[spurspl]

id rather keep eubanks than poeltl tbh.

BTW what do u guys think, how much money will bogdanovic want?

[rankingtear]

From NBASupes :


Major Update:
Pacers, Lakers, Knicks w/ a dash of Wolves, Hawks, Thunder, Sixers, and Spurs.

The biggest story I've been breaking is Indy interest in Mike D'Antoni and their interest in LaMelo Ball. Well, that interest hasn't gotten smaller but the trade talks have opened up as well as Mike D's expectation. Mike wants to get

A. A long term deal with a lot of security
B. A roster that fits his needs
C. A lead initiator he believes in which Indy currently doesn't have.

As of right now, Indy has FINALLY put Myles Turner in the talks and have removed T.J. Warren and Oladipo. They have also added Doug McDermott. As of right now, they are just working out the minors details of the deal but it seems like it could be getting close to completion is what he has been told.
Another move is Oladipo who has garnered interest across the league. He was told that the Lakers have the best shot. He mention a possible four way deal with Ball to Indy including Atlanta landing Danny Green, Turner/Doug to MIN, Ball, LAL 1st, Kuzma, and Johnson to IND, and Oladipo to the LAL.

The Lakers have identified KCP has the prime priority to resign and would love to keep Dwight, Morris, and Rondo. The big target for the Lakers will be Tristian Thompson and Josh Jackson in FA. He was told Cleveland will also try to resign TT.

Knicks are not really talking to the media so they are having a tough time getting any trade details but my guy is thankfully connected to both orgs so he got some news for me. Same ole, same ole. The Knicks are NOT interested in trading a future 1st. They are NOT interested in trading either pick for players. They are only interested in trading players for players. Because if this, it's made them attractive for a CP3 trade but I've been told Philly is in the lead for CP3 and LAL is in the lead for Oladipo.


The Knicks are actually trying to build their team the right way, they are being patience and don't want to get people hyped on moves that might not happen.

Spurs are looking to trade LMA for a fit upgrade. He is still productive and he's a quality teammate. Expect suitors. SA big target is currently Al Horford. They aren't dying to trade Mills but he can be had if packaged with LMA is what I was told but they would prefer to keep Mills.

[Dejounte]

Al Horford is switchable between 4/5. I say pull the trigger. Get their 2nd in this year's draft also and get Mason Jones before anyone else does.

[Chinook]

Just underscores that there are no reliable Spurs insiders

[Dverde]

From NBASupes :

There is no way Spurs would trade LMA for Al Horford. Maybe Tobias Harris, but I cannot see that either. Horford move makes no sense.

[gambit1990]

horford would be serviceable but he's not worth it. getting paid too much.

[BWS-1994]

Getying Horford means Spurs ditching 2021 plan?

[gambit1990]

do not move la before demar.

unless the plan is to move demar soon after.

[KobesAchilles]

Horford is done. Didn’t anybody watch the Philly series? I know, nobody watched the nba playoffs :lol but he is done as a serviceable player. And his contract still has like 3 more years? Yuck

[spurspl]

al horford XD
i hoped that spurs finally do some right moves to rebuild but all i can see is the same shit like always which means do whatever it takes to get to the PO and after 1st round say goodbye. Average age of the tema: approximately 45 :lol

[r0drig0lac]

lol Horford

[rankingtear]

Horford would allow us to go back to the beautiful game motion offense. More enticing for free agents than the pound inside post heavy offense with Aldridge. Rehab Horford's value then trade him next year for assets when its only 1 year guaranteed or to match salaries for disgruntled stars.

Spurs have to be creative, they want to be competitive to gets fans back on seats post Covid but won't trade future first or the young core. If the 19th pick is attached to the Horford contract then its a massive win.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

H:lolrf:lolrd

[objective]

the October 5 podcast for Locked on Jazz, around the 17 minute mark, is the host breaking down free agent Bryn Forbes using I think the $ analytics from bball-index. In previous episodes, when breaking down Joe Harris and Bogdan Bogdanovic he listed the top-25 3-point shooting GRAVITY players, and when I listened to the list, I didn't hear Forbes name, but I might have missed it.

Anyways, his real-time reaction to reading out Forbes' atrocious analytics: "Whoa!"

Surprised at his horrible numbers, but just shrugs it off as, well, the Spurs have figured out how to use him. His terrible stats, "a little surprising for a Spur, but he knows how play, because he's a Spur"

:lol Spurs rep giving Forbes all kinds of benefit of the doubt

[TD 21]

Horford would allow us to go back to the beautiful game motion offense. More enticing for free agents than the pound inside post heavy offense with Aldridge. Rehab Horford's value then trade him next year for assets when its only 1 year guaranteed or to match salaries for disgruntled stars.

Spurs have to be creative, they want to be competitive to gets fans back on seats post Covid but won't trade future first or the young core. If the 19th pick is attached to the Horford contract then its a massive win.

Yeah, it'd be like a lesser version of Westbrook for Paul, with the Spurs viewing it from the Thunder's perspective.

Acquire a player who fits the "culture" and goal (attempt to remain competitive while re-building), who should be motivated to show he still has it and get traded to a contender, while extracting multiple assets in the process . . .

To 76ers: Ariza, Hood

To Trail Blazers: Aldridge

To Spurs: Horford, either 16th pick or '21 lottery protected 1st (via Trail Blazers), 21st pick (via 76ers)

The final asset(s) would likely come down to haggling over the 76ers trying to send some combination of 34, 36 or the Knicks '21 2nd and the Spurs trying to pry the '76ers '22 1st.

Either way, the end result is the Spurs would be in strong position to move up without sacrifcing current youth and likely have multiple 1sts leftover.

[EasyMoney]

If the spurs trade for horford. Then philly has to attach a pick. 3 more years for horford would be dreadful but he can still play. Just a bad and illogical fit for philly

[RC_Drunkford]

lol Horford earns 4 million more than LaMarcus and is signed for 3 more seasons. This would be worse than the Gasol extension

[lmbebo]

Only way Hoford makes sense is if Spurs are getting multiple 1st round picks for taking on his bloated and longer contract.

[ace3g]

Alright PATFO time to get to work (if you haven't already).

[Leetonidas]

So when does free agency begin and when can teams start making trades?

[gambit1990]

So when does free agency begin and when can teams start making trades?
teams who aren’t in the playoffs can make trades while the playoffs are still going on. that is usually rare though.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The only way I'm OK getting Horford would be if we end up with a million picks like OKC did for taking on bloated contracts.

[EasyMoney]

Philly would more than likely at least 2 1sts to take on horford.

[Dverde]

Philly would more than likely at least 2 1sts to take on horford.

I hear the Knicks need another PF.

[Fusternino]

All the takes trading for Horford are awful. He fell off a cliff and has a horrendous contract.

[LurkingSpursFan]

All the takes trading for Horford are awful. He fell off a cliff and has a horrendous contract.

A lot of contenders are looking at LaMarcus to counter Anthony Davis. I think the Spurs can wiggle 2 firsts out of his expiring.

[r0drig0lac]

A lot of contenders are looking at LaMarcus to counter Anthony Davis. I think the Spurs can wiggle 2 firsts out of his expiring.

link?

[TD 21]

All the takes trading for Horford are awful. He fell off a cliff and has a horrendous contract.

As I alluded to, they might be able to pick up 3 1sts (2 for him, 1 for Aldridge going to a third team) for taking him.

He really only runs 1.5 (partial guarantee) years longer than Aldridge and wouldn't prevent them from doing anything.

[JuneJive]

LMA to GSW? They need a big.

Pop and Kerr relationship...

[Sugus]

LMA to GSW? They need a big.

Pop and Kerr relationship...

If GSW puts #2 on the table in LMA trade talks without shipping us bad long-term salary, we should take it and run... Would love to see LMA in a contender, maybe winning a ring, too.

[tbdog]

If GSW puts #2 on the table in LMA trade talks without shipping us bad long-term salary, we should take it and run... Would love to see LMA in a contender, maybe winning a ring, too.

They'll have to give up Wiggins for contract reasons

[Sugus]

They'll have to give up Wiggins for contract reasons

Hmm, I'd still do it, but haven't looked at Wiggin's contract in a while, which might make me remember it as less horrifying than it actually is.

[r0drig0lac]

Hmm, I'd still do it, but haven't looked at Wiggin's contract in a while, which might make me remember it as less horrifying than it actually is.

easily

[PhantomDashCam]

Hmm, I'd still do it, but haven't looked at Wiggin's contract in a while, which might make me remember it as less horrifying than it actually is.

Who would you take with #2? Wiseman?

[rankingtear]

Hmm, I'd still do it, but haven't looked at Wiggin's contract in a while, which might make me remember it as less horrifying than it actually is.

You must really think the spurs are getting a star player at 2 to take on Wiggins. He's the Bryn Forbes of Minnesota, plus he plays the same position as Keldon and Lonnie. You think this draft is that strong?

[Thomas82]

Who would you take with #2? Wiseman?

He would definitely be my choice.

[tbdog]

Hmm, I'd still do it, but haven't looked at Wiggin's contract in a while, which might make me remember it as less horrifying than it actually is.


$94.7 million over the next 3 years.

It's probably the third worst contract behind Wall and CP3.

DD max contact can be 107.9 mil. Which he won't get close too. Not before this climate and not now post Covid. If say DD gives Spurs a 20% discount, which is still an overpay, thats 86.3 million. That puts into perspective how bad Wiggin's contact is.

[talkspurs]

Kevin loves contract is pretty bad too. I would think it is worse then Wiggins.

[DavidTheGoliath]

$94.7 million over the next 3 years.

It's probably the third worst contract behind Wall and CP3.

DD max contact can be 107.9 mil. Which he won't get close too. Not before this climate and not now post Covid. If say DD gives Spurs a 20% discount, which is still an overpay, thats 86.3 million. That puts into perspective how bad Wiggin's contact is.

now we can have al horf :lol
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3eyfy6x

[tbdog]

now we can have al horf :lol
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3eyfy6x

Kevin Love 91 mil
Horford 81 mil
Wall 132 mil lol.

[szkorhetz]

Who would you take with #2? Wiseman?
There is no way that the best run FO in NBA would give up #2 and Wiggins for LMA.

[TimDunkem]

There is no package the Spurs could put together that would be worth the 2nd pick.

[tbdog]

There is no way that the best run FO in NBA would give up #2 and Wiggins for LMA.

Tbh, LMA and 11 for Wiggins and 2 is an even deal. Unless the top 2 picks are studs.

[lmbebo]

Tbh, LMA and 11 for Wiggins and 2 is an even deal. Unless the top 2 picks are studs.

I'd expect another pick(s) later on for taking on Wiggins longer pricier deal ...

[Dex]

No thanks on Wiggins. If we want an overrated SG we can just pay DDR.

[The Truth #6]

Tbh, LMA and 11 for Wiggins and 2 is an even deal. Unless the top 2 picks are studs.

I wonder if the Warriors would go for that deal. Are they that desperate to get out of Wiggins deal?

[EasyMoney]

Lma and 11 for Wiggins and 2 is an even deal?

What crack are you smoking?

[SpurSpike]

I know people around here don't like him but DeMarcus Cousins posted a comeback video and he is looking pretty trim (for Cousins) and in shape tbh...

Link: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/de-marcus-cousins-looks-fantastic-in-new-workout-video-142920947.html

We need a big and with his latest injuries Spurs could get him cheap. Would be a low risk high reward deal if we could grab him.

[exstatic]

I know people around here don't like him but DeMarcus Cousins posted a comeback video and he is looking pretty trim (for Cousins) and in shape tbh...

Link: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/de-marcus-cousins-looks-fantastic-in-new-workout-video-142920947.html

We need a big and with his latest injuries Spurs could get him cheap. Would be a low risk high reward deal if we could grab him.

DMC is both a headcase/baby and yesterday’s NBA. HARD pass. I doubt at this point in his injury arc that he could guard perimeter bigs, let alone switch onto wings or guards.

[kobyz]

LMA and #11 for #1