official offseason thread

[Dejounte]

If Giannis leaves he's going to Dallas. All they need to do is salary dump one player and they got him. Miami also has enough cap space to sign him

I just don't see it with Dallas. Appealing to fans? Sure. To Giannis? I doubt it.

[CGD]

I just don't see it with Dallas. Appealing to fans? Sure. To Giannis? I doubt it.

Its about playing with Luka obviously.

[Dejounte]

Also, Miami does NOT have the cap space to sign him outright with a max contract. That needs to stop.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-bam-adebayos-extension-makes-it-harder-for-heat-to-sign-giannis-antetokoumpo-and-why-they-did-it-anyway/amp/

[Dejounte]

Its about playing with Luka obviously.

I understand that lol

Players who team up with other players usually already have a rapport with each other

I haven't seen Giannis have that same relationship that LeBron had with Wade or Luka doing a whisper to Giannis' ear like what Draymond did with Durant.

Giannis teaming up with Luka is an NBA fantasy held by fans only

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/HOOPSTALK14/status/1337152115630694402?s=19

This dude is worse than Durant in that he can't keep his mouth shut

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/HOOPSTALK14/status/1337152115630694402?s=19

This dude is worse than Durant in that he can't keep his mouth shut
He's always been all mouth, no dick.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's always been all mouth, no dick.

except when he fucked Roy Hibbert's fiancee

[NASpurs]

Made the top ten in something.

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets (https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets)

8. San Antonio Spurs

For the first time in the 21st century, San Antonio did not crack the playoffs. But Gregg Popovich and the Spurs did a whole lot of nothing this offseason. They return the weird veteran duo of LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan, who steal valuable touches from an underrated prospect core.

The Devin Vassell pick was a gem, and the rookie from FSU might have another level of creator upside to unlock. Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Lonnie Walker and even Keldon Johnson comprise a fun future backourt group. But unlike the stable Spurs of old, this franchise feels rudderless.

[lefty]

Heat fans don't even want Harden

They don't ike his play style and the fact he doesn't play defense

[tonight...you]

except when he fucked Roy Hibbert's fiancee
Eh... he penetrated with his tongue.

[lefty]

Eh... he penetrated with his tongue.
So he didn't finish
I can see why he is inspired by Kobe

[tonight...you]

So he didn't finish
I can see why he is inspired by Kobe
:lmao

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Travonne/status/1337405587324248064?s=19

Bruh, Kyrie is batshit insane

[Jordan Jackson]

Made the top ten in something.

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets (https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets)

8. San Antonio Spurs

For the first time in the 21st century, San Antonio did not crack the playoffs. But Gregg Popovich and the Spurs did a whole lot of nothing this offseason. They return the weird veteran duo of LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan, who steal valuable touches from an underrated prospect core.

The Devin Vassell pick was a gem, and the rookie from FSU might have another level of creator upside to unlock. Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Lonnie Walker and even Keldon Johnson comprise a fun future backourt group. But unlike the stable Spurs of old, this franchise feels rudderless.

They left out clueless and incompetent, but otherwise spot on assessment.

Better hope the young guys get a chance - they’re the only thing that gives this team a fighting chance.

[Jordan Jackson]

Made the top ten in something.

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets (https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets)

8. San Antonio Spurs

For the first time in the 21st century, San Antonio did not crack the playoffs. But Gregg Popovich and the Spurs did a whole lot of nothing this offseason. They return the weird veteran duo of LaMarcus Aldridge and DeMar DeRozan, who steal valuable touches from an underrated prospect core.

The Devin Vassell pick was a gem, and the rookie from FSU might have another level of creator upside to unlock. Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Lonnie Walker and even Keldon Johnson comprise a fun future backourt group. But unlike the stable Spurs of old, this franchise feels rudderless.

They left out clueless and incompetent, but otherwise spot on assessment.

Better hope the young guys get a chance - they’re the only thing that gives this team a fighting chance.

[jjktkk]

Made the top ten in something.[URL="https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-sour-rankings-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets"]
But unlike the stable Spurs of old, this franchise feels rudderless.Yeah losing one of the NBA's all time GOATs in Tim as well as #2 will do that to a NBA franchise. But, besides S.A.'s small market size being a detriment in luring prime free agents, PATFO hasn't exactly it the world on fire trading for prime free agents either. Drafting has been decent overall the past few years, but the Spurs really need to figure out the free agent acquisition part.

[Dex]

Yeah losing one of the NBA's all time GOATs in Tim as well as #2 will do that to a NBA franchise. But, besides S.A.'s small market size being a detriment in luring prime free agents, PATFO hasn't exactly it the world on fire trading for prime free agents either. Drafting has been decent overall the past few years, but the Spurs really need to figure out the free agent acquisition part.

Next year will be very telling. For the first time since bringing in LaMarcus, Spurs will have a bag of cash to throw at somebody.

That said...Pop will be on his way out and the direction of the team will still be unclear. We'll see who (if anyone) wants to grab it. But the best thing the Spurs have to offer at this point is money.

[CGD]

Next year will be very telling. For the first time since bringing in LaMarcus, Spurs will have a bag of cash to throw at somebody.

That said...Pop will be on his way out and the direction of the team will still be unclear. We'll see who (if anyone) wants to grab it. But the best thing the Spurs have to offer at this point is money.

I think the path over the next 5 years is hoping they can flip one or two of the young guys (assuming they develop well) into a top draft prospect in a future draft. Be a dumping ground in exchange for picks over a 2-3 year time horizon. And, hope the remaining young talent and picks, makes them spicy enough to lure a second star (assuming the top draft prospect pans out).

[bluebellmaniac]

Next year will be very telling. For the first time since bringing in LaMarcus, Spurs will have a bag of cash to throw at somebody.

That said...Pop will be on his way out and the direction of the team will still be unclear. We'll see who (if anyone) wants to grab it. But the best thing the Spurs have to offer at this point is money.

And hopefully a supporting cast that is showing a lot of growth. The core of the younglings performing well and with good chemistry would also be attractive.

[BillMc]

So, when is the first preseason game?

[Dverde]

Kyrie going into full heel mode. What crawled up his butt?

[ismael-robert]

Full schedule with channels on spurs.com

[exstatic]

So, when is the first preseason game?

Saturday. Not sure of the time.

[rjv]

Saturday. Not sure of the time.

https://www.nba.com/spurs/sites/spurs/files/screen_shot_2020-12-09_at_12.58.04_pm.png

[BillMc]

Saturday. Not sure of the time.

Thanks man

[BillMc]

https://www.nba.com/spurs/sites/spurs/files/screen_shot_2020-12-09_at_12.58.04_pm.png

Cheers bro

[barakz21]

https://www.nba.com/spurs/sites/spurs/files/screen_shot_2020-12-09_at_12.58.04_pm.png

Is that EST?

[Chinook]

Is that EST?

Central

[Dejounte]

Obi Toppin, 9 points in 9 minutes

Calm your tits, Chinook. It's just preseason

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1337559389595635712

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1337558352654700544

[Chinook]

Calm your tits, Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557). It's just preseason

Can't. They're going crazy.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2015/HXx6St.gif

[Emperor]

De'Andre Hunter looking pretty good. Vucevic with his usual double double.

[Degoat]

Not a perfect game but damn Patrick Williams looked pretty solid but I still think Devin Vassel will be better

[Dejounte]

Not a perfect game but damn Patrick Williams looked pretty solid but I still think Devin Vassel will be better

Watching the game? What has Pat shown that you liked?

[ismael-robert]

Forgot the blue font...it said CT (Central time) right there in picture

[Mr. Body]

Jesus, it's been one preseason game. Suddenly the Rockets are gonna win the chip, etc.

[Degoat]

Watching the game? What has Pat shown that you liked?

I didn’t get to watch the entire game but from what I saw, I was impressed.. His shot looked a lot better then in college imo, he didn’t force shots; seemed to understand when to look to score and when to pass, and def was solid too

[Dejounte]

Is Batum seriously going to be a starter for the Clips this season? I know it's preseason, but it might be serious. If so, they're in more trouble than I thought.

[TheGoatishere]

Is Batum seriously going to be a starter for the Clips this season? I know it's preseason, but it might be serious. If so, they're in more trouble than I thought.

Morris isn’t playing

[barakz21]

Central

gotcha, thanks!

[Atl Spur]

Our cohesiveness , newly found defense, and athleticism will bode well this year. Hopefully no more fake ass I tried defense!!

[exstatic]

Is that EST?

This is CST. The rule of thumb is that if you go to the Main NBA site, everything is EST, but if you go to a team’s site, it’s local time.

[barakz21]

This is CST. The rule of thumb is that if you go to the Main NBA site, everything is EST, but if you go to a team’s site, it’s local time.

yeah, I know it’s est on the nba site but since I saw the schedule here, I figured I’d ask. Besides, I was too lazy to check myself lol. But thanks for clarifying that it’s local times on the team site, I definitely didn’t know that.

[ismael-robert]

yeah, I know it’s est on the nba site but since I saw the schedule here, I figured I’d ask. Besides, I was too lazy to check myself lol. But thanks for clarifying that it’s local times on the team site, I definitely didn’t know that.

As per my above post it says "all times CT" right in pic

[barakz21]

As per my above post it says "all times CT" right in pic

Lol I know, in my defense I just woke up when I saw your original post and I DID try looking for CT or ET, but I missed it. Like I said, still half asleep lol.

[Dejounte]

Okoro looked good tonight too...

18 points, 2-4 3pts, 3 steals

[Dejounte]

Bryn Forbes with a solid 2 points in 15 minutes of playing time

[RC_Drunkford]

Okoro looked good tonight too...

18 points, 2-4 3pts, 3 steals

Maledon did too, he destroyed Dejounte

[BackHome]

You know as a vet if ya get let up by a rookie it’s going to be a long season at the office

[Prime BEEF]

Trade Murray, DDR and Lyles immediately

[LCM]

Would trade LMA, DDR, DJM, & LS

Bulls: LMA, DJM
Cavs: Otto Porter
Magic: DDR, LS
Spurs: Love, Satoransky, Aaron Gordon, Al-Foruq Aminu

Give who needs draft compensation as necessary

DW, Sato, TJ
DV, LW4, PM
KJ, AFA, QW
AG, RG, TL
KL, JP, DE

You'd still have Mills, Gay, Lyles and Carroll money coming off the cap, Sato and Aminu will have one year remaining on contract and Lonnie is tradable in the offseason. Extending DW and AG are priority.

These players give you pace, transition, rebounding, passing, 3pt shooting, defensive effort every play.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

These players give you pace, transition, rebounding, passing, 3pt shooting, defensive effort every play.

And on top of that they'll give you high lottery picks in the next 5 years.

[Prime BEEF]

Would trade LMA, DDR, DJM, & LS

Bulls: LMA, DJM
Cavs: Otto Porter
Magic: DDR, LS
Spurs: Love, Satoransky, Aaron Gordon, Al-Foruq Aminu

Give who needs draft compensation as necessary

DW, Sato, TJ
DV, LW4, PM
KJ, AFA, QW
AG, RG, TL
KL, JP, DE

You'd still have Mills, Gay, Lyles and Carroll money coming off the cap, Sato and Aminu will have one year remaining on contract and Lonnie is tradable in the offseason. Extending DW and AG are priority.

These players give you pace, transition, rebounding, passing, 3pt shooting, defensive effort every play.
Just need to get something of value for them which isn’t hard to do if they were actually trying which they aren’t.

Lots of options (yes I know the FO won’t actually do anything):
-DDR/Murray/Lyles for Zach LaVine/OPJ
-DDR/Murray/Lyles for Griffin/Bey/draft pick
-DDR/Lyles for Gordon/Ross/Okeke
-DDR/Lyles for Randle/Knox/draft pick
-DDR/Murray/Lyles for Collins(~$27M/yr ext)/Hunter/Reddish

could also add Walker to any of these deals if we needed to

[CGD]

It’s a shame BOS doesn’t have anything of interest/they’d move bc that TE would be a perfect landing spot for LMA.

[Degoat]

Hey did everyone see the spurs signed a guy name Khyri Thomas as well to an exhibit 10 deal, if I remember he was a decent prospect

Edit* I think they waived him for the Austin spurs

[lmbebo]

He was a target of the Spurs before for the 2nd round I think

Edit: Recent article talks about him being a 3 and D player. Good shooter, but foot problems the last 2 years.

[LCM]

Just need to get something of value for them which isn’t hard to do if they were actually trying which they aren’t.

Lots of options (yes I know the FO won’t actually do anything):
-DDR/Murray/Lyles for Zach LaVine/OPJ
-DDR/Murray/Lyles for Griffin/Bey/draft pick
-DDR/Lyles for Gordon/Ross/Okeke
-DDR/Lyles for Randle/Knox/draft pick
-DDR/Murray/Lyles for Collins(~$27M/yr ext)/Hunter/Reddish

could also add Walker to any of these deals if we needed to

Like the Detroit and Atlanta deals ... LMA needs to moved as well to make room for a Griffin or Collins. I like the Atlanta deal most. You won't get Hunter, but Reddish with Huerter and Collins would be fantastic! Huerter would fit so much more than Murray off the bench! Orlando isn't going to give Okekee. I think Aminu's contract is the price for Gordon!

[BillMc]

https://www.nba.com/spurs/sites/spurs/files/screen_shot_2020-12-09_at_12.58.04_pm.png

Will there be a Spurs feed for these Houston games? Or will we need to listen to the enemy broadcast team drone on about the Harden drama for 2+ hours?

[NASpurs]

Will there be a Spurs feed for these Houston games? Or will we need to listen to the enemy broadcast team drone on about the Harden drama for 2+ hours?


All preseason games will be broadcasted locally here in SA. CW35 is a local channel.

[bluebellmaniac]

Off-season is officially over. Time to shut this thread down until next off-season.

Let the games reign!

[Dejounte]

Off-season is officially over. Time to shut this thread down until next off-season.

Let the games reign!

Hold it!!https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1338912082578853888?s=19

My unrealistic dream is over. Fun while it lasted...

#draftscottiebarnes

[Dex]

Hold it!!https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1338912082578853888?s=19

My unrealistic dream is over. Fun while it lasted...

#draftscottiebarnes

LOL Giannis was never going to leave a small market for another small market.

At least he didn't wimp out to go join some superteam and break the NBA for 3 years like KD did.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the biased, agenda driven media, who've put on a full court press attempting to influence his decision and get him out of a small, non glamour market, in the hopes that he'd join their precious Mavericks, Warriors, Heat, Raptors, all of whom they're in bed with.

[Mugen]

:tu

[Atl Spur]

Good for him!

[Truckules]

Now that Giannis has signed, the best players in next year's free agency are probably Rudy Gobert and Victor Oladipo. I don't think the Spurs would have interest in Gobert, having just re-signed Poeltl. Oladipo has major question marks and plays a position the Spurs are kind of set at. The team should look to trade at least a few of their expiring contracts for whatever positive asset they can get.

Demar is now going to be one of the top free agents on the market next offseason so he made the right decision to pick up the option. I think there's a good chance the Spurs decide to offer him a big deal since there won't be many better options on the market, and they value continuity.

[Excessive Egotist]

Hollinger speculates Jonathan Isaac should get a 20M offer from Orlando next offseason (tempered by the ACL tear). If that is his market value, I'd be fine if San Antonio forced Orlando to match a front loaded deal. Aside from Isaac, we need to trade to move someone into our space (Towns is best case scenario of a player demanding a trade in July, imo, but who knows what the market will look like then).

[Dejounte]

Likely scenarios IMO:

1) trade up in the 2021 draft, absorbing bad salaries
2) make a trade for disgruntled player under contract
3) sign a couple role players, extend current players to cheaper deals

[Prime BEEF]

Now that Giannis has signed, the best players in next year's free agency are probably Rudy Gobert and Victor Oladipo. I don't think the Spurs would have interest in Gobert, having just re-signed Poeltl. Oladipo has major question marks and plays a position the Spurs are kind of set at. The team should look to trade at least a few of their expiring contracts for whatever positive asset they can get.

Demar is now going to be one of the top free agents on the market next offseason so he made the right decision to pick up the option. I think there's a good chance the Spurs decide to offer him a big deal since there won't be many better options on the market, and they value continuity.
Oh man if pop signs DDR to a big contract and then leaves that would be such a huge FU to the fans

[Dejounte]

Likely scenarios IMO:

1) trade up in the 2021 draft, absorbing bad salaries
2) make a trade for disgruntled player under contract
3) sign a couple role players, extend current players to cheaper deals

If one or a couple players establishes themselves as a true core piece of the future, then #3 isn't that bad

[Excessive Egotist]

I don't like using significant space on role players. So I'm not keen on option 3, but agree that it is likely scenario.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Good for Giannis, the Bucks and Coach Bud. The Freak is a genuine superstar. All he lacks is the three point shot, but otherwise he is a beast who plays hard at both ends of the floor, has worked hard all his life to reach this destination and will only get better. The Bucks are set for another half-decade. Hopefully they won't screw it like the Pelicans did with Anthony Davis.

[Dejounte]

I don't like using significant space on role players. So I'm not keen on option 3, but agree that it is likely scenario.

My line of thinking for this is,

Is it easier to invest in three high performing role players than a pseudo star like Oladipo taking up a lot of the cap, with a contract that may not be as moveable as three smaller ones? Guys like Oladipo, Isaac, John Collins really don't move the needle enough to justify the expected contract they're going to have. Might as well re-tool again with three solid role players and be prepared / flexible for the next offseason, and keep betting on young players to rise up.

It's only a matter of time before one of White, Keldon, Vassell become a star. Add another high draft pick, then the chances are even higher that we will finally have a new star on our hands.

Bet on it.

Guys like Jrue, Duncan Robinson, Lauri Markannen, OG Anunoby, Luke Kennard will be available. Get two or three of these guys and it's not a bad offseason.

[bluebellmaniac]

Likely scenarios IMO:

1) trade up in the 2021 draft, absorbing bad salaries
2) make a trade for disgruntled player under contract
3) sign a couple role players, extend current players to cheaper deals

This is not a FO that trades for disgruntled players, so I would eliminate #2 as a possibility.
#3 is the most likely scenario and would fit the MO of this FO.
#1 does not follow what we have done in the past, and while it could earn us a more talented pick, I don't think we change the way we have done things to do this. It would take a remarkably outstanding player to see a change like that happen. Or a change in the FO, which would only happen for some terrible reason.

[Dejounte]

This is not a FO that trades for disgruntled players, so I would eliminate #2 as a possibility.
#3 is the most likely scenario and would fit the MO of this FO.
#1 does not follow what we have done in the past, and while it could earn us a more talented pick, I don't think we change the way we have done things to do this. It would take a remarkably outstanding player to see a change like that happen. Or a change in the FO, which would only happen for some terrible reason.

Kawhi Leonard?

[Excessive Egotist]

My line of thinking for this is,

Is it easier to invest in three high performing role players than a pseudo star like Oladipo taking up a lot of the cap, with a contract that may not be as moveable as three smaller ones? Guys like Oladipo, Isaac, John Collins really don't move the needle enough to justify the expected contract they're going to have. Might as well re-tool again with three solid role players and be prepared / flexible for the next offseason, and keep betting on young players to rise up.

It's only a matter of time before one of White, Keldon, Vassell become a star. Add another high draft pick, then the chances are even higher that we will finally have a new star on our hands.

Bet on it.

Guys like Jrue, Duncan Robinson, Lauri Markannen, OG Anunoby, Luke Kennard will be available. Get two or three of these guys and it's not a bad offseason.

Relative to a front loaded Jonathan Isaac deal. Spurs will have 50M in cap space, maybe a few million more. If Spurs 1) kept White, Vassell, and Johnson (three best prospects of young core, imo), 2) offered 23M front loaded to Isaac, 3) they'd still have Murray, Walker, Samanic, '21 lottery pick etc, and 27M in space to trade/absorb another max player. Murray and the space navigates any salary match issues.

I don't want to come off as a true believer in this approach--everything depends on who is unavailable--but a ~20M FA and a trading for max player is a path that could emerge, giving the Spurs a core of White, Vassell, Johnson, FA, and trade target. You can fill in the FA and trade target slot with a lot of names which would make Spurs a perennial playoff contender.

In this scenario, I'd love to see the team keep its '21 lottery pick and include picks from '22 and later, but I'm in the imaginative weeds at this point.

[Excessive Egotist]

My line of thinking for this is,

Is it easier to invest in three high performing role players than a pseudo star like Oladipo taking up a lot of the cap, with a contract that may not be as moveable as three smaller ones? Guys like Oladipo, Isaac, John Collins really don't move the needle enough to justify the expected contract they're going to have. Might as well re-tool again with three solid role players and be prepared / flexible for the next offseason, and keep betting on young players to rise up.

It's only a matter of time before one of White, Keldon, Vassell become a star. Add another high draft pick, then the chances are even higher that we will finally have a new star on our hands.

Bet on it.

Guys like Jrue, Duncan Robinson, Lauri Markannen, OG Anunoby, Luke Kennard will be available. Get two or three of these guys and it's not a bad offseason.

Posted a response, should have also said, I agree with much of what you're saying here, but think we should have better options than role players. Definitely agree with you regarding White, Vassell, and Johnson.

[exstatic]

Would trade LMA, DDR, DJM, & LS

Bulls: LMA, DJM
Cavs: Otto Porter
Magic: DDR, LS
Spurs: Love, Satoransky, Aaron Gordon, Al-Foruq Aminu

Give who needs draft compensation as necessary

DW, Sato, TJ
DV, LW4, PM
KJ, AFA, QW
AG, RG, TL
KL, JP, DE

You'd still have Mills, Gay, Lyles and Carroll money coming off the cap, Sato and Aminu will have one year remaining on contract and Lonnie is tradable in the offseason. Extending DW and AG are priority.

These players give you pace, transition, rebounding, passing, 3pt shooting, defensive effort every play.

That is fucking horrible. Kevin Love belongs in a glue factory.

[SAGirl]

Giannis agreed to 5 year extension with the Bucks

[SAGirl]

Hold it!!https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1338912082578853888?s=19

My unrealistic dream is over. Fun while it lasted...

#draftscottiebarnes
I just saw this elsewhere and felt for you. I never had hope he’d come here but knew there were some who did.

[RC_Drunkford]

Can't wait for the reactions when we extend DeRozan, Aldridge, Mills and Rudy Gay next season to run it back for another 3 years :lmao

[lmbebo]

With so many players signing long term deals, does it drive up cost or interest for a player like DDR or LMA for other teams looking to make a run this year?

[Sugus]

With so many players signing long term deals, does it drive up cost or interest for a player like DDR or LMA for other teams looking to make a run this year?

IMO, adds value, but as much as we'd like. Having big FAs like Giannis sign long-term contracts with their teams makes the FA pool shallower, increasing the value of available "big name" FAs like DD/LMA; but on the other hand, it also means more teams would be willing to pay them next off-season, after their contracts are up (so no assets lost trading for them), since they won't spend that money chasing Giannis/whomever. Tbh, it's probably a matter of which situations the Spurs can take advantage of, I'm hoping for a trade deadline move but we could also see a S&T after the season is over.

[TD 21]

Once again, cap space proves to be fool's gold. It's only important insofar as you have a relatively easy means to creating it should it prove necessary. Otherwise, just hoarding it for the sake of it looks and sounds nice, but what's the end result?

It's generally what the Hawks or Hornets just did. The only positive to the former is they're now so stocked with depth that they might be able to get in the game for the next diva who becomes available, but in the interim they're at best one and done.

[Dejounte]

Cap space by itself is fool's gold.

Cap space + assets is different.

The Hornets are not comparable to what the Spurs will have this upcoming offseason. They virtually have 13 out of 15 players who have no value.

The Hawks are on a similar path as the Spurs, signing Bogdan and Rondo aren't bad moves and they still have flexibility going forward. Difference is, what can be unseen, is the lack of intangible veteran leadership on that team to guide their youth.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/Aqib_Rockets/status/1338942039455621122?s=19

[TD 21]

Hornets notable 26 and under talent: Ball, Graham, Rozier, Washington, Bridges, Monk.

Spurs notable 26 and under talent: White, Poeltl, Johnson, Vassell, Murray, Walker.

At this writing, it's comparable, with the Hornets having the consensus best prospect and only one thought to have star upside.

[Dejounte]

Ball is the consensus best prospect? I'll give that two months before people start singing a different tune...

Ball is and will be who I thought he was before he was drafted... A street baller kid who had no business being drafted in the top 10. He went 0/12 FG the other day I believe.

I'll give it two months.

[Prime BEEF]

With so many players signing long term deals, does it drive up cost or interest for a player like DDR or LMA for other teams looking to make a run this year?
Yes it does which the spurs should definitely take advantage of. But the FO won’t trade them. Unfortunately, It is probably likely that they sign DDR and LMA to long term contracts.

[TD 21]

You know he is and if he were a Spur, you wouldn't be questioning it.

Doesn't mean you have to agree or that I do either, it's just the reality.

So a 19 year old who went the better part of a year between games, gets 2 months before being proclaimed a bust.

[look_at_g_shred]

Hornets notable 26 and under talent: Ball, Graham, Rozier, Washington, Bridges, Monk.

Spurs notable 26 and under talent: White, Poeltl, Johnson, Vassell, Murray, Walker.

At this writing, it's comparable, with the Hornets having the consensus best prospect and only one thought to have star upside.
I would switch Murray out for Jones

[r0drig0lac]

Hollinger speculates Jonathan Isaac should get a 20M offer from Orlando next offseason (tempered by the ACL tear). If that is his market value, I'd be fine if San Antonio forced Orlando to match a front loaded deal. Aside from Isaac, we need to trade to move someone into our space (Towns is best case scenario of a player demanding a trade in July, imo, but who knows what the market will look like then).no way

[Seventyniner]

no way

I think it's about right. The FA class won't be terribly strong now that Giannis won't be in it, and teams overpay far more often than they underpay.

[tbdog]

Isaac will be a great player but questions now on his injury history makes maxing him a dangerous decisions.

Heat essentially had role players on decent contracts and somehow still managed to max out Butler. Keeping your role players or even buying more in the off season, is not a bad strategy. You never know what star becomes available.

[bluebellmaniac]

Kawhi Leonard?

No. Not even if Uncle passes away and he is remorseful. No.

[Dejounte]

No. Not even if Uncle passes away and he is remorseful. No.

That's not what I meant. I was addressing your point that the Spurs never trade up.

[Mr. Body]

Boston getting hammered by Philly. Preseason, but still. They need to do something to replace Hayward, talent-wise. It's amazing how above mediocre they are considering Ainge had so many chips at one point. Aldridge would be fantastic there.

[bluebellmaniac]

That's not what I meant. I was addressing your point that the Spurs never trade up.

That's a rare thing. Other than nephew, how many other times has it happened?

[Dejounte]

That's a rare thing. Other than nephew, how many other times has it happened?

It happened the year it needed to and that's all that matters. It's not about frequency, it's about the Spurs actually doing it. You said they never did it. But they did, and it was probably the most successful trade up in the history in the NBA. The Spurs will do it when they have to AND if they can. You can't look at every year and think it's the same playing field every time. In many years, they didn't have the assets to do so. NO team consistently trades up, so I don't know why you think frequency is something to look at.

[bluebellmaniac]

It happened the year it needed to and that's all that matters. It's not about frequency, it's about the Spurs actually doing it. You said they never did it. But they did, and it was probably the most successful trade up in the history in the NBA. The Spurs will do it when they have to AND if they can. You can't look at every year and think it's the same playing field every time. In many years, they didn't have the assets to do so. NO team consistently trades up, so I don't know why you think frequency is something to look at.

I said they never did? Setting up that straw man much?

Naw man, here is what I said:

"#1 does not follow what we have done in the past, and while it could earn us a more talented pick, I don't think we change the way we have done things to do this. It would take a remarkably outstanding player to see a change like that happen. Or a change in the FO, which would only happen for some terrible reason."

So it's actually consistent with what you are saying, that an exceptional player could induce them to do so.

[Dejounte]

I said they never did? Setting up that straw man much?

Naw man, here is what I said:

"#1 does not follow what we have done in the past, and while it could earn us a more talented pick, I don't think we change the way we have done things to do this. It would take a remarkably outstanding player to see a change like that happen. Or a change in the FO, which would only happen for some terrible reason."

So it's actually consistent with what you are saying, that an exceptional player could induce them to do so.

I don't know man. That post you re-posted seems to imply something that maybe we both can't see eye to eye on.

[bluebellmaniac]

I don't know man. That post you re-posted seems to imply something that maybe we both can't see eye to eye on.

The difference between the Spurs and most other FO, and certainly the average ST member, is that they see with greater accuracy the potential in players. They saw nephew as a potential "remarkably outstanding player" and helped develop him into that. He's a rare player. That said, Uncle drove him over a cliff.

I think we agree, we're just looking at it from different sides. I'm saying that if they did do it, it'd be for a player with nephews potential. It's rare, but even more rare for the deal to go through.

[bluebellmaniac]

I don't know man. That post you re-posted seems to imply something that maybe we both can't see eye to eye on.

Don't misunderstand, you are not a typical ST member. Obviously not.

[LCM]

That is fucking horrible. Kevin Love belongs in a glue factory.

My horrible trade scenario is up two days, and that is your response. Go fuck yourself.

[Fusternino]

I still don't think you can go wrong with taking a shot at OPJ. You'd think you could instantly save $15-20 M after re-signing Gay and Mills to mentorship contracts.

[GAustex]

So I looked real quick on the intraweb and saw the line for the Spurs over/under at 28 and 29.5 and 31-depending what link I hit.

Over/under 29.5
I got under

[Dejounte]

Currently watching the Bulls and Thunder game for Poku and Pat

Coby is killing it for the Bulls

[Dejounte]

Only saw the second half:

Pat plays so much like Spurs version of Kawhi on the offensive end, defense leaves something to be desired. Isn't as impactful as Devin, since his instincts and awareness are not as good. Also, he's not quick enough to be everywhere on the court, so he sticks with his man.

Poku, as we all know, is mobile and has great handles for a big. I said this before: he's not "years away" because he lacks strength. He doesn't need strength to play his game. The way the Thunder offense is set up, every one has a chance to handle the ball. Poku had some chances and looked quite natural. Right now, he looks like Bertans with handles which is pretty good. Not buying in to the "he's a future star" yet.

[Dejounte]

The difference between Pat and Devin = motor

[ace3g]

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K.C. Johnson @KCJHoop

(https://twitter.com/KCJHoop) 34m (https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/1339705579514769413)
NBA announced: —-March 25 trade deadline —-Active rosters can be 15 players this season —-Coach’s challenge established permanently

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1339714292682280960?s=19

And here we go.

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1339714292682280960?s=19

And here we go.
Morey showing his hand too soon.
I would see how Harden handles playing with the team through the first 15 games of the season before getting serious.

[ginobilized]

Tyler Zeller and Cam Reynolds waived. Biggest news in awhile.
Onward!

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1340673535077994496?s=19

No more Gobert for the 2021 free agent class

Who was it who had ideas to get him?

Chinook ?

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1340673535077994496?s=19

No more Gobert for the 2021 free agent class

Who was it who had ideas to get him?

Chinook ?

Jazz seriously committing $41M a year to Rudy Gobert in a league where centers are going extinct? That's LeBron level money.

Welcome to being stuck as a 2nd-round exit for the next 5 years.

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1340673535077994496?s=19

No more Gobert for the 2021 free agent class

Who was it who had ideas to get him?

Chinook ?

I had him as a potential trade target. Trading for him then signing a forward was the fastest way for SA to try to become a contender. I don't know that I had him in my top 10 FA targets though

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This is crazy money for a 3rd/4th offensive option.

[Leetonidas]

I like Gobert but it's not 2010 anymore and a C like him is not worth anywhere near 40 million a year. Half of that maybe. Jazz have ensured they will win nothing with Mitchell and Gobert

[Dejounte]

I like Gobert but it's not 2010 anymore and a C like him is not worth anywhere near 40 million a year. Half of that maybe. Jazz have ensured they will win nothing with Mitchell and Gobert

It's really just like LMA + DeMar all over again with their team but no promising youth coming behind them yet

Mitchell is going to score 50 on you but is he really going to carry a team past the 2nd round?

[Dex]

And people were complaining about giving Jak $9M per year to basically do what Gobert does.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1340673535077994496?s=19

No more Gobert for the 2021 free agent class

Who was it who had ideas to get him?

Chinook ?

I was on board with Gobert. He was the best remaining FA.

[exstatic]

It's really just like LMA + DeMar all over again with their team but no promising youth coming behind them yet

Mitchell is going to score 50 on you but is he really going to carry a team past the 2nd round?

The worst season of Gobert’s defensive career >>>>> the best season of LMAs. Gobert may only be a rim runner on offense, but he’s light years better on defense than LMA has ever been. Mitchell is also not like DD. He’s so much better as a scorer, much more efficient. He gets to the line as much, AND shoots the 3 ball far better, 37% on 7 attempts per game.

[TimDunkem]

So "our summer" is pushed back for the 5th consecutive year, right? There's no one left for next summer.

[Dejounte]

The worst season of Gobert’s defensive career >>>>> the best season of LMAs. Gobert may only be a rim runner on offense, but he’s light years better on defense than LMA has ever been. Mitchell is also not like DD. He’s so much better as a scorer, much more efficient. He gets to the line as much, AND shoots the 3 ball far better, 37% on 7 attempts per game.

I'm not arguing who is better than who. In fact, in some ways I agree with you. I'm merely saying their best version of themselves (Gobert and Mitchell) are not conducive to championship basketball. Neither are first options. Therefore, that team needs a star better than both but now that team is handicapped from ever attaining one due to the salaries they gave to both.

[Dex]

I'm not arguing who is better than who. In fact, in some ways I agree with you. I'm merely saying their best version of themselves (Gobert and Mitchell) are not conducive to championship basketball. Neither are first options. Therefore, that team needs a star better than both but now that team is handicapped from ever attaining one due to the salaries they gave to both.

Bingo.

We've seen what Mitchell and Gobert does for the Jazz over the last three years. They are good, but not great. And now they are pretty much locked into that for the foreseeable future.

Unless Mitchell suddenly transforms into Steph and Ingles turns into Klay...the Jazz will be stuck exactly where they are for the next 4-5 years.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The worst season of Gobert’s defensive career >>>>> the best season of LMAs. Gobert may only be a rim runner on offense, but he’s light years better on defense than LMA has ever been. Mitchell is also not like DD. He’s so much better as a scorer, much more efficient. He gets to the line as much, AND shoots the 3 ball far better, 37% on 7 attempts per game.

Donovan Mitchell is a lot of things but efficient isn't one of them. Spurs DDR has better FG%, eFG% and TS%.

[r0drig0lac]

And people were complaining about giving Jak $9M per year to basically not do what Gobert does.fixed

[TD 21]

Bingo.

We've seen what Mitchell and Gobert does for the Jazz over the last three years. They are good, but not great. And now they are pretty much locked into that for the foreseeable future.

Unless Mitchell suddenly transforms into Steph and Ingles turns into Klay...the Jazz will be stuck exactly where they are for the next 4-5 years.

True, but what was the alternative? Small market teams can't afford to lose top 15 regular season impact players, who want to play for them, for nothing.

The Spurs will be lucky to get Gobert/Mitchell level players again and when they do, they too will offer top dollar to retain them.

[Prime BEEF]

I was on board with Gobert. He was the best remaining FA.
Same

[Prime BEEF]

The worst season of Gobert’s defensive career >>>>> the best season of LMAs. Gobert may only be a rim runner on offense, but he’s light years better on defense than LMA has ever been. Mitchell is also not like DD. He’s so much better as a scorer, much more efficient. He gets to the line as much, AND shoots the 3 ball far better, 37% on 7 attempts per game.
Yup. Mitchell>DDR easily and Gobert>LMA

I wouldn’t pay him $42/yr but anyone acting like he’s Poetl is way off base

[Prime BEEF]

So "our summer" is pushed back for the 5th consecutive year, right? There's no one left for next summer.
Yup. The only way to improve now is by a trade. Hardly any FA to spend all of this awesome got to have cap space on. Tons of cap space is a joke

[TimDunkem]

Yup. The only way to improve now is by a trade. Hardly any FA to spend all of this awesome got to have cap space on. Tons of cap space is a joke

Spurs don't make trades.

[Fusternino]

Again, even though it gets rehashed a lot, I think there's a good reason for it. We should take a shot at OPJ.

[mo7888]

Yup. The only way to improve now is by a trade. Hardly any FA to spend all of this awesome got to have cap space on. Tons of cap space is a joke

This pretty much

[ace3g]

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Los Angeles Lakers forward Kyle Kuzma has agreed to a three-year, $40M contract extension, including a player option on 2023-2024 season, sources tell ESPN.
3:51pm · 20 Dec 2020 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1340776951687114759) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[Dejounte]

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Los Angeles Lakers forward Kyle Kuzma has agreed to a three-year, $40M contract extension, including a player option on 2023-2024 season, sources tell ESPN.
3:51pm · 20 Dec 2020 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1340776951687114759) · Twitter Web App (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

An end to Kuzma to Spurs rumors.

Have a feeling we will hear about Derrick really soon.

[Prime BEEF]

Spurs don't make trades.
Unfortunately true. And if they are forced to then they screw it up.

[BackHome]

That seems a good deal for the Lakers

[Prime BEEF]

That seems a good deal for the Lakers
I think so too. They did good with that signing

[RC_Drunkford]

Just a quick reminder that LA scored 45 on supermax defender Gobert. He ain't worth 40 million


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbAIag2bjR0

[rankingtear]

Gobert contract is what it is it is a win for Utah considering he is super max eligible. Plenty of cap space teams next year and a max contract coming to him is a given. Shame we could not make a run on him, he would be the perfect big for the dribble drive motion offense. Max is what it would take to retain him and Utah is a small market who doesn't bottom out. All modern big man arguments are valid but Gobert really is worth the max based on how he impacts the game.

[TD 21]

So you're saying don't ignore the context and large sample size of catch all metrics which indicate he's a top 15 regular season impact player and instead determine his value based off of one random regular season game where a high end scorer hit a high percentage of low value shots? Interesting.

[ace3g]

Offseason moves for the San Antonio Spurs: How to handle DeMar DeRozan's free agency

9:11 PM CT

Bobby Marks



How do we evaluate the 2020-21 version of the San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)?

Is it by the 8-22 record in games decided by five points in the last five minutes? Or the 2-5 record in overtime games?


Do we look at the stretch of the season when this team was decimated by COVID-19, resulting in having to play 40 games after the All-Star break? That brutal stretch saw San Antonio go from four games over .500 to six games below, finishing the season 33-39, including 15-25 since the All-Star break.


In total, the Spurs played 63 of their 72 games either on a back-to-back or with one day of rest.


Despite missing the playoffs for the second consecutive season, the Spurs have a solid foundation in place and have the flexibility to retain their own free agents or bring in other free agents to replace them.



The state of the roster

The Spurs are comparable to the Memphis Grizzlies (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/mem/memphis-grizzlies) -- the team that defeated them in the play-in round -- in that they have built their roster the right way.

The post-Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili era could have left this team stuck in the bottom of the Western Conference for the foreseeable future. The Spurs could have hit the button on a full-scale rebuild and relied on selecting in the top half of the lottery, looking for their next Duncan.


Instead, San Antonio has laid down a strong foundation as a result of identifying talent outside of the lottery. Starters Dejounte Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray), Derrick White (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3078576/derrick-white) and Keldon Johnson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4395723/keldon-johnson) were selected with the second-to-last pick in the first round, while key reserves Lonnie Walker IV (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4277890/lonnie-walker-iv) and Luka Samanic (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4423309/luka-samanic) were picked in the teens.

Devin Vassell (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4395630/devin-vassell) was the only player on this year's roster who the Spurs drafted in the lottery. Building a roster organically through the draft should be commended. And while the Spurs did not take any shortcuts in remaining competitive, the franchise is at a crossroads this offseason.


The DeMar DeRozan (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3978/demar-derozan) trade brought stability to a franchise in the aftermath of losing Kawhi Leonard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard), but now the forward is an unrestricted free agent. Do they look to bring him back or do they continue the youth movement without one of their veterans?


Cap space or own free agents?

The trend in San Antonio has been to draft, develop and eventually re-sign that player when his rookie contract expires or the year before in an extension. Will that change this offseason when the Spurs could have more than $50 million in cap space?


The Spurs could jump into the deep end in free agency, but it would come at the cost of their own free agents: DeRozan, Patty Mills (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) or perhaps Rudy Gay (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3005/rudy-gay). The three players combined to average 43.8 points this season, 39% of the Spurs' total production.


Although the Spurs have $58 million in contracts, well below the projected $112.1 million salary cap, their individual cap holds have San Antonio over the cap right now.


The Spurs will have a big decision to make, and it starts with DeRozan.


There are three big questions the Spurs will need to ask internally with regards to DeRozan:


Does paying a 32-year-old player more than $30 million fit the timeline of the current roster?
Where would DeRozan rank on our free-agent board if he were not on our roster, and would he be a player that we would target with cap space?
Do we sign DeRozan and utilize him as a trade asset down the road and if so, where would his value be in the second year of the contract?

Team needs

· Starting small forward
· Bench depth at all positions
· Healthy Derrick White




Resources to build the roster


The draft: First and second round
Projected $50M+ in cap space
Own free agents (if cap space is not used)
Exceptions: $9.5M midlevel and $3.7M biannual or $4.9M room midlevel
Cash: $5.8 million to send or receive in a trade


Extension candidates• There has been a pattern the past two offseasons of former draft picks getting extended. Murray signed a four-year, $64 million extension in 2019 and White agreed to a four-year, $70 million extension in December. Both extensions occurred on the last day of the offseason and the deadline for rookie extensions. We will now see if the Spurs go 3-for-3 with Lonnie Walker IV. The former first-round pick is yet another example of the Spurs' strong player development program. Walker went from playing 29 games in the G League his rookie season to averaging a career high in minutes (25.2) and points (11.3) this past season. Walker is far from a finished product -- he followed up a 23-point game against Philadelphia by scoring just 2 points against Utah the next night. But he has only scratched the surface with regards to his development. There are two schools of thought about an extension: Walker can bet on himself and play out the season, entering the 2022 offseason as one of top shooting guards on the market, or he can go the guaranteed route and take an extension that starts in the $10 million-$12 million range.


• The Spurs claimed DaQuan Jeffries (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3913220/daquan-jeffries) right before the end of the regular season. Jeffries appeared in 31 games this year with Sacramento and Houston. The 24-year-old scored in double figures, four times this season, including a season-high 18 points in a loss to Milwaukee. The Spurs have until Aug. 1 to exercise his $1.7 million contract for next year.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31471726/offseason-moves-san-antonio-spurs-how-handle-demar-derozan-free-agency

[PhantomDashCam]

To me, the Spurs need a starting 4 above all. Now whether Luka gets a shot at the job or it's a FA, combination of both; shooting and rebounding are the two main concerns heading into the Off-season.

If we are sticking internally with growth of the young players - PG: DJ, SG: Lonnie or Vassell, SF: KJ, PF: Luka or FA, C: Poeltl.
6th D White, 7th Vassell or Lonnie, 8th: Dieng or Eubanks.

That's not an unreasonable start.

[rankingtear]

I am with Bobby Marks, Keldon is our Power Forward.
Just the lack of footspeed to defend wings and lack of perimeter skills is very evident. Wings just blow by him pretty easily.

Lonnie basically has no role , not a 3 and D wing , not a movement shooter and not a PNR ballhandler. I don't know what player I am investing in with 11-12 million.

Let DDR walk and get a modern starting wing.

[Robz4000]

Keldon isn't a PF, not even sure he's an SF. He's just another SG on a team full of them. He needs to seriously work on his shot this Summer. He also needs some in-between moves when he drives but luckily he started to develop his mid-range pull-up as the season wore on.

[PhantomDashCam]

I am with Bobby Marks, Keldon is our Power Forward.
Just the lack of footspeed to defend wings and lack of perimeter skills is very evident. Wings just blow by him pretty easily.

Lonnie basically has no role , not a 3 and D wing , not a movement shooter and not a PNR ballhandler. I don't know what player I am investing in with 11-12 million.

Let DDR walk and get a modern starting wing.

I agree that KJ has trouble guarding wings atm but not buying this PF thing long term.

It will be interesting to see if they extend Lonnie, I would say Spurs should wait and see. If you have to overpay because he outperforms expectations this year, I think you have to live with that.

DDR has to go though, if just that the players can experience a different style of play, enhanced responsibility.

[GreekSpursfan]

We might have the resources to build something but the decisions that need to be made are very difficult and could potentially hurt us for years to come. When you don't have future star to build around the decisions are even harder.
I really hope we don't make moves with the 8th seed in mind, don't fuck this up pls.

[SAGirl]

They shouldn’t resign Derozan, not even thinking they could trade him later. They are very trade averse as a franchise to begin with and they couldn’t find a trade for him that they liked two seasons in a row.

Whatever may happen without him in terms of the regular season record happens. I am in favor of them investing in a FA who can start for them and is a shooter.

I think Gay acquitted himself well in the end and the Spurs don’t have anyone waiting who can play his role. People talk about Samanic like he’s ready to slip in and I don’t think that he is. I really want to see him succeed but he hasn’t shown at any point that he can shoot.

Bottom line, prioritize shooting and rebounding as someone above me said.

I liked Diemg a lot and in retrospect he should have played more, at the expense of Eubanks because he’s better and his skill set is so relevant in this league. I am sure he will have interest from other teams, he was fantastic in his minutes regardless of whether they came on the Grizzlies or Spurs.

[rankingtear]

KJ is barely 6-5 in shoes. Dude ain't a powerforward. :lol

Fuckinng retards. :lol

You think he got the footspeed to guard wings or develop it? He got blown by 3 straight times last game. He got no problem with strength when he guarded Zion, Giannis and Randle.

[Atl Spur]

I think with more game awareness he does. He also needs backup at the paint which he ain't getting. Getting rid of derozan helps in this regard.

This. He’s not a finished product but is super competitive! He’ll be much better next year without the vets.....

[Atl Spur]

Hopefully DJ can continue to expand his game; Lonnie must go though.

[mo7888]

At 10-12 M you absolutely extend LW.... He should turn it down and bet on himself though..

[KingKev]

Hopefully DJ can continue to expand his game; Lonnie must go though.

Agreed, time to make a hard decision on Walker IV. This young core, while talented is not near good enough to even sniff the playoffs.

[mo7888]

I think we should either package players and pucks to move into the top 5 of the draft or put together a package to go after a current player. My preferred target is CJ McCollum if Portland goes out in the 1st round.

[KingKev]

I think we should either package players and pucks to move into the top 5 of the draft or put together a package to go after a current player. My preferred target is CJ McCollum if Portland goes out in the 1st round.

That would be nice but I don’t think we have the assets. I bet it would take Keldon, our 2021 1st and possibly a second 1st plus one of DJ/DW and may have to take a bad contract back.

[mo7888]

That would be nice but I don’t think we have the assets. I bet it would take Keldon, our 2021 1st and possibly a second 1st plus one of DJ/DW and may have to take a bad contract back.

The price may be to steep.... I just want us to 'try'...and I want fans to know that we're trying..

[Prime BEEF]

The price may be to steep.... I just want us to 'try'...and I want fans to know that we're trying..
I agree on trying. May be to tough though. Might see Orlando doing Murray/Poetl/2021 1st for Harris/2021 1st. But even then they might want another future 1st

[bigfan]

Im betting this is where Pop pull the pin and heads to his winery.

[KingKev]

Im betting this is where Pop pull the pin and heads to his winery.

One can hope.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, does Pop really want to deal with this team next year? Trying to see how much he values going after the all time record.

[KingKev]

Yeah, does Pop really want to deal with this team next year? Trying to see how much he values going after the all time record.

He is the ultimate ego maniac. Losing doesn’t faze him as long as he is relevant. No one will want to hear his political views when he is retired, that’s enough to keep him coaching for 2-3yrs.

[The Truth #6]

He is the ultimate ego maniac. Losing doesn’t faze him as long as he is relevant. No one will want to hear his political views when he is retired, that’s enough to keep him coaching for 2-3yrs.

He’s stubborn, often irritable, and probably has OCD like a lot of coaches, but I don’t see him as a pure ego maniac. He’s definitely controlling, but that’s different. He obviously loves coaching. And he probably loves the lifestyle of touring the country going to his restaurants. I see that as a reason he could stick around.

[rjv]

lonnie is a gamble. you can take the chance that he will hit his ceiling and live up to the potential he shows by extending him, or you can see how he plays this season. if he has a breakout season, the spurs will have to pay him much more. so what are the odds that lonnie has a breakout season?

[rjv]

He’s stubborn, often irritable, and probably has OCD like a lot of coaches, but I don’t see him as a pure ego maniac. He’s definitely controlling, but that’s different. He obviously loves coaching. And he probably loves the lifestyle of touring the country going to his restaurants. I see that as a reason he could stick around.

pop may be alot of things but an egomaniac is not one of the things i'd accuse him of. first of all, none of us have been head coaches in any professional sport so to label a coach as being to stubborn to admit his coaching is wrong is in itself an egotistical stance. i just think that some of the pop hate that comes from ST is politically motivated, which would be ironic.

[Dex]

lonnie is a gamble. you can take the chance that he will hit his ceiling and live up to the potential he shows by extending him, or you can see how he plays this season. if he has a breakout season, the spurs will have to pay him much more. so what are the odds that lonnie has a breakout season?

I'd say of all the young players on the team, the gap between Lonnie's floor and ceiling is the biggest. Which makes it incredibly hard to truly evaluate his worth.

Is he gonna be the Lonnie that comes out sharp-shooting from 3 and running rough-shod over the defense? Or the Lonnie that comes out sitting in the corners, hesitates on shots, and passes every time he encounters a glimpse of resistance?

His style is very finessed which looks great when it is going well, but he still doesn't seem to have that mentality to impose his will on the game.

[KingKev]

He’s stubborn, often irritable, and probably has OCD like a lot of coaches, but I don’t see him as a pure ego maniac. He’s definitely controlling, but that’s different. He obviously loves coaching. And he probably loves the lifestyle of touring the country going to his restaurants. I see that as a reason he could stick around.

He has traditionally been very good at what he does. These days there is a sense of hubris and false humility that he portrays; I guess he has earned it but it has become tiresome. If he wants my support i’d like to see more accountability on his own part and more of the qualities that got him where he is today. LMA and DDR probably would not have lasted past 2018 if they experienced the true Pop but he may have gotten the best out of them. At any rate he has earned the right to go on his own terms but he is setting up to leave this franchise in shambles.

[The Truth #6]

pop may be alot of things but an egomaniac is not one of the things i'd accuse him of. first of all, none of us have been head coaches in any professional sport so to label a coach as being to stubborn to admit his coaching is wrong is in itself an egotistical stance. i just think that some of the pop hate that comes from ST is politically motivated, which would be ironic.

Are you saying my comment is egotistical? I agree about the hate being politically motivated very often. For me, I just wanted him to adapt to the new situation with the team and not try to coach them like we are still contenders.

[The Truth #6]

He has traditionally been very good at what he does. These days there is a sense of hubris and false humility that he portrays; I guess he has earned it but it has become tiresome. If he wants my support i’d like to see more accountability on his own part and more of the qualities that got him where he is today. LMA and DDR probably would not have lasted past 2018 if they experienced the true Pop but he may have gotten the best out of them. At any rate he has earned the right to go on his own terms but he is setting up to leave this franchise in shambles.

I agree with that. I feel like the team was destined for some bad times as soon as Kawhi left, and Pop has basically tried to hold on and in doing so has made the bad times, so to speak, only be later and worse.

[MannyIsGod]

We just using this thread or is someone going to make a new one?

[objective]

There was a bulls related podcast a couple of weeks ago where the hosts agreed that a sign and trade of Lauri Markannen plus extra salary like Aminu? for DeRozan would be good for the bulls to try to make the most of the bulls situation.

I would hate that severely.

Markannen is awful and after Brian Wright's other bad deals I'm anxious that Markannen will be his bad contract masterpiece.

[rjv]

I'd say of all the young players on the team, the gap between Lonnie's floor and ceiling is the biggest. Which makes it incredibly hard to truly evaluate his worth.

Is he gonna be the Lonnie that comes out sharp-shooting from 3 and running rough-shod over the defense? Or the Lonnie that comes out sitting in the corners, hesitates on shots, and passes every time he encounters a glimpse of resistance?

His style is very finessed which looks great when it is going well, but he still doesn't seem to have that mentality to impose his will on the game.

that has been my hang-up with lonnie all season; he may not have the mental toughness or confidence. luka seems to show much more of that-perhaps to a fault.

[Chomag]

I like some of the players we have but we have to ask ourselves if any are worth building around. I believe the answer is no and Spurs should be going in hard at trading up to a 1-5 pick even if it means all our current players are on the table.

[rjv]

Are you saying my comment is egotistical? I agree about the hate being politically motivated very often. For me, I just wanted him to adapt to the new situation with the team and not try to coach them like we are still contenders.

that wasn't directed at anyone in particular. i was just making the point that-for all of us-it takes a certain amount of ego to assert things in a manner that suggests we know more about basketball than a hall of fame coach. that being said, i don't think that's the same thing when a poster make the observation that a coach is too set in his ways. pop is from the larry brown school and it's futile to convince him that younger players are not to be trusted and have to go through a lengthy process before they can earn meaningful minutes. i do think that, with pop, the more he expects from a player-the harder he is on that player.

[KingKev]

I like some of the players we have but we have to ask ourselves if any are worth building around. I believe the answer is no and Spurs should be going in hard at trading up to a 1-5 pick even if it means all our current players are on the table.

We have few valuable assets to trade. Our young core and draft capital aren’t worth sh!t unless packaged in a large bundle. Might as well give these guys a full season to sink or swim. The real move would have been to use LMA, DDR, Mills and Rudy’s expiring deals to take on bad contracts but high quality vets with a sweetener attached. We missed the boat on that. You’ll have to gut the house to get a top 5 pick in this years draft. After this offseason and hopefully letting DDR walk we will finally be positioned to pick top 5 next year anyways. Might as well wait a year.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhBJ2JKE0GY

[KingKev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhBJ2JKE0GY

Thanks for this! Poo would be great in a less demanding player and staff development advisory role. Still have a seat at the table on while he passes the baton. Consultant Pop.

[SpursDynasty85]

Its always a celebration but you can not ignore how utterly bad and disorganized the Spurs have been about coach's challenges, and end of the clock plays. He is definitely past his prime now. He should definitely stay on as a consultant or president of the operations (something like that)

[The Truth #6]

Its always a celebration but you can not ignore how utterly bad and disorganized the Spurs have been about coach's challenges, and end of the clock plays. He is definitely past his prime now. He should definitely stay on as a consultant or president of the operations (something like that)

Seriously. Just let he and RC tour the world to scout and drink wine.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhBJ2JKE0GY

man I hope so, but I think the old man will be back to get this record

[Sugus]

I am with Bobby Marks, Keldon is our Power Forward.
Just the lack of footspeed to defend wings and lack of perimeter skills is very evident. Wings just blow by him pretty easily.

Lonnie basically has no role , not a 3 and D wing , not a movement shooter and not a PNR ballhandler. I don't know what player I am investing in with 11-12 million.

Let DDR walk and get a modern starting wing.

Awful evaluations, TBQH.

Keldon is not a PF. He doesn't have the height, the strength (yes, he can't be backed down easily, but he's not good at boxing out players bigger than him, nor contesting shots, nor pulling down big boards, especially offensive), the rebounding instincts (a mark of a great PF), the boxing-out, the shooting game to be a stretch-4, and lastly, nor the passing game either. PFs in the modern league are very skilled players (well, every position is), and Keldon doesn't have a single thing from a modern 4's skillset beyond the core and arm strength. Moreover, it's pretty easy to see that playing "up" a position is taxing on his body: he's been consistently put in a bad position by Pop all season long, and you can tell his offensive impact is reduced as he has to overexert himself on D just to stay with his man. He simply is not a PF.

Lonnie has a perfectly defined player archetype: he's a trigger happy (but contact-shy), shoot-first SG. He's NOT a SF (another of Pop's mistakes), he's not a 3&D, he's a three-level scorer. We can talk about his efficiency, his hesitation to take shots, his overpassing tendencies all you want, it doesn't take away from the fact that he'd have a perfectly defined role in any other team that wasn't the Spurs, who are overloaded with guards (and combo guards at that). Play Lonnie next to a true, pass-first PG and no DeMar DeRozan, give him a green light and tell him to focus on transition opportunities, and see a completely different player. Not that he'd be an insta-star or anything, but to say he lacks a role is bad evaluation.

The last part I agree with, we need a modern wing or PF, and to let DDR go.

[Atl Spur]

Lonnie must ramp up his competitiveness; he belongs in the nba but must play like it! The kid from Tennessee is a gamer as is Scottie Barnes!

[Atl Spur]

We must start playing defense.....we’re way to soft!

[TD 21]

I am with Bobby Marks, Keldon is our Power Forward.
Just the lack of footspeed to defend wings and lack of perimeter skills is very evident. Wings just blow by him pretty easily.

Lonnie basically has no role , not a 3 and D wing , not a movement shooter and not a PNR ballhandler. I don't know what player I am investing in with 11-12 million.

Let DDR walk and get a modern starting wing.


Keldon isn't a PF, not even sure he's an SF. He's just another SG on a team full of them. He needs to seriously work on his shot this Summer. He also needs some in-between moves when he drives but luckily he started to develop his mid-range pull-up as the season wore on.

You're both wrong (Marks probably doesn't realize that their utilizing Johnson as the nominal "PF" was to get their best talent on the floor).

Johnson, if he's to be a long term starter, is primarily a 3, even though his ball skills are rudimentary for the position and his lateral quicks are lacking.

The actualized version of Samanic (which more than likely will never exist) is the ideal compliment to him, with advanced ball skills and lateral quicks for a 4, allowing them to cross match when need be.

Agree on Walker IV. No way they should be investing $11-12M in someone who's been replacement player caliber to this point, especially considering they've already done so for two role playing guards.

[The Truth #6]

I think a lot of problems could be solved with a traditional point guard, meaning pass first type. Dejounte is showing progress there and will hopefully surprise me next year, but a passing guard would be helpful. Hell, a passer at any position. I agree that IV would do much better next to that type of player. Who wouldn’t?

[4lifecowboy]

You're both wrong (Marks probably doesn't realize that their utilizing Johnson as the nominal "PF" was to get their best talent on the floor).

Johnson, if he's to be a long term starter, is primarily a 3, even though his ball skills are rudimentary for the position and his lateral quicks are lacking.

The actualized version of Samanic (which more than likely will never exist) is the ideal compliment to him, with advanced ball skills and lateral quicks for a 4, allowing them to cross match when need be.

Agree on Walker IV. No way they should be investing $11-12M in someone who's been replacement player caliber to this point, especially considering they've already done so for two role playing guards.

I don't understand the thought of giving up on Lonnie, IMO he is by far the most talented young player we have on the roster, what he lacks is consistency and that is on Pop. I don't think he is the 3rd or 4th scoring option anytime he is on the floor, which makes absolutely no since when he is the best scorer of the young guys.

[Atl Spur]

Lonnie doesn’t compete at a NBA level; he doesn’t have any bite! Play with an edge......

[SpursStar]

I don't understand the thought of giving up on Lonnie, IMO he is by far the most talented young player we have on the roster, what he lacks is consistency and that is on Pop. I don't think he is the 3rd or 4th scoring option anytime he is on the floor, which makes absolutely no since when he is the best scorer of the young guys.

There are still ways to contribute when you aren’t scoring. Setting screens, off ball movement, hustling. When he isn’t shooting well, he hardly is doing some of these other things too. He frequently
has points when his shot is off his defense is just as bad.

[exstatic]

I'd say of all the young players on the team, the gap between Lonnie's floor and ceiling is the biggest. Which makes it incredibly hard to truly evaluate his worth.

Is he gonna be the Lonnie that comes out sharp-shooting from 3 and running rough-shod over the defense? Or the Lonnie that comes out sitting in the corners, hesitates on shots, and passes every time he encounters a glimpse of resistance?

His style is very finessed which looks great when it is going well, but he still doesn't seem to have that mentality to impose his will on the game.

It’ll be an indicator of what the Spurs think when it comes to his extension. They tend to play a little poker. Both DJ’s and White’s deals came down to the last minute, but they got done. If Lonnie’s doesn’t, it would seem that the Spurs would be betting on him still playing timid, and not breaking out.

Oh, and holy hell, his QO is like $13M. BIG difference between #18 and #29.

[exstatic]

I don't understand the thought of giving up on Lonnie, IMO he is by far the most talented young player we have on the roster, what he lacks is consistency and that is on Pop. I don't think he is the 3rd or 4th scoring option anytime he is on the floor, which makes absolutely no since when he is the best scorer of the young guys.

He doesn’t lack confidence, he lacks balls. He’s timid, and literally won’t shoot sometimes. I’ve seen him stationed at the break, uncovered, and the player at the top passes it to him. He passes it to the corner. The corner guy passes it back, and he sends it back to the top. Uncovered.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Bobby Portis would be a good free agent signing for us this off season. Dude is a solid all around player that plays at a position (4/small ball 5) of need for us. He can shoot the 3, decent on defense, and doesn’t take any shit off people. He would help give the team some “NASTY”.

Not to mention he isn’t that old and wouldn’t cost a ton. Dude might get like 10-15 million a season

[4lifecowboy]

He doesn’t lack confidence, he lacks balls. He’s timid, and literally won’t shoot sometimes. I’ve seen him stationed at the break, uncovered, and the player at the top passes it to him. He passes it to the corner. The corner guy passes it back, and he sends it back to the top. Uncovered.

If you have a player with a ceiling as high as his, and timidity is his issue, that's bad coaching.That is remedied by designing plays for him. Part of that lack of confidence is not having a defined role.

[TD 21]

I don't understand the thought of giving up on Lonnie, IMO he is by far the most talented young player we have on the roster, what he lacks is consistency and that is on Pop. I don't think he is the 3rd or 4th scoring option anytime he is on the floor, which makes absolutely no since when he is the best scorer of the young guys.

I'm not saying he's a lost cause at 22, but the reality is, in 2628 minutes over 3 seasons, as I said he's been replacement player caliber. It's highly unlikely he'll go from that to a player of significance.

You also can't pay everyone. This team sucks as is; how many role players are they going to extend? Once they extended Murray and White, it made doing so for him unlikely and he's done nothing to change that.

[james evans]

If I'm a young player coming out in the lottery and the spurs get a TOP pick, I'm pulling a Danny Ferry like he did with the clippers saying I'm not playing for popovich. If I'm an agent, I'm not letting my player play for popovich. Hell no. And I say this as a die hard spurs fan. Popovich is done and he's just hanging around because he has nothing else to do at this age..

[duncan2150]

I don't understand the thought of giving up on Lonnie, IMO he is by far the most talented young player we have on the roster, what he lacks is consistency and that is on Pop. I don't think he is the 3rd or 4th scoring option anytime he is on the floor, which makes absolutely no since when he is the best scorer of the young guys.

I don't understand too

People need to realize that it's only the second season for lonnie and he was playing only 16 minutes last year ( forget about the first year in g league).
He's showing some progress and is one of a few realiable 3pt shooters on this team, let the guy play it's not like he is showing nothing this year.

[rjv]

If I'm a young player coming out in the lottery and the spurs get a TOP pick, I'm pulling a Danny Ferry like he did with the clippers saying I'm playing for popovich. If I'm an agent, I'm not letting my player play for popovich. Hell no. And I say this as a die hard spurs fan. Popovich is done and he's just hanging around because he has nothing else to do at this age..

fortunately, you're neither a young player or an agent, just a "die hard spurs fan" who'd be okay with top players opting out of playing for the spurs based on some unproven notion that pop has an incurable case of ennui.

[Dex]

fortunately, you're neither a young player or an agent, just a "die hard spurs fan" who'd be okay with top players opting out of playing for the spurs based on some unproven notion that pop has an incurable case of ennui.

"I'm a die-hard Spurs fan because I want players and agents to say 'fuck you Pop!' Yeah, that'll show him and do a whole lot of good."

[ace3g]

OT but if you are bored, see how various players are connected via their teammates.

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1395581623731642370

[K...]

Lol, if I'm the 15th pick i will leave for LA.


It won't be pop that forces it. It's the city, and the front office in that order. We've had some great anti san antonio threads before.

[james evans]

"I'm a die-hard Spurs fan because I want players and agents to say 'fuck you Pop!' Yeah, that'll show him and do a whole lot of good."
it'll get him the fuck up out of here. but unlike you, I won't enjoy 2 more seasons of bullshit to get him the coaching record.

[TDMVPDPOY]

team has to many wankers on the team afraid to make mistakes, fear they be chewed out or sitting in doghouse under popabitch...

[Dex]

it'll get him the fuck up out of here. but unlike you, I won't enjoy 2 more seasons of bullshit to get him the coaching record.

If you think that the opinion of some kid fresh out of college or his dumbass agent will be enough to make one of the Top 3 coaches of all-time retire, I've got some oceanfront property in San Antonio that I would like to sell you.

[Robz4000]

If you think that the opinion of some kid fresh out of college or his dumbass agent will be enough to make one of the Top 3 coaches of all-time retire, I've got some oceanfront property in San Antonio that I would like to sell you.

What's your price in this real estate environment?

[Dex]

What's your price in this real estate environment?

Some spicy nuggets from Wendy's

[Robz4000]

Some spicy nuggets from Wendy's

Deal. I'll have my lawyer call yours to iron out the details.

[FireMicoHalili]

At which point do we admit DDR isn’t a good fit and that we lost that trade with the Raptors? Noticed a handful of posters have been in denial for the most part.

[Dex]

At which point do we admit DDR isn’t a good fit and that we lost that trade with the Raptors? Noticed a handful of posters have been in denial for the most part.

I think we have reached that point.

Although to be fair, we were bound to lose the Kawhi trade because Nephew and Uncle Dennis wrecked his trade value.

[Maddog]

At which point do we admit DDR isn’t a good fit and that we lost that trade with the Raptors? Noticed a handful of posters have been in denial for the most part.


I think we have reached that point.

Although to be fair, we were bound to lose the Kawhi trade because Nephew and Uncle Dennis wrecked his trade value.

Of course the Spurs lost the trade. You almost never win when a superstar demands a trade.
The deck was even more stacked against the Spurs because Uncle and nephew ruined any value.
That said they got poodle and KJ out of it

[EricB]

At which point do we admit DDR isn’t a good fit and that we lost that trade with the Raptors? Noticed a handful of posters have been in denial for the most part.


there was no winning a Kawhi trade. Thank Jerry West and Uncle Dennis for that.

[mo7888]

there was no winning a Kawhi trade. Thank Jerry West and Uncle Dennis for that.

This

[barakz21]

With DDR gone (I imagine he walks) and disregarding the incoming first rounder, how do you guys project the starting five? DJ-White-KJ-Luka-Poeltl or DJ-Lonnie-KJ-Luka-Poeltl?

[ace3g]

OT but Spurs twitter just posted the team photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Q-N00WQAMp7Cz?format=jpg&name=large

[SAGirl]

OT but Spurs twitter just posted the team photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Q-N00WQAMp7Cz?format=jpg&name=large
Great picture. Thanks for sharing. Hoping to see more Luka next season, he looks at least as tall as Eubanks there.

[PhantomDashCam]

OT but Spurs twitter just posted the team photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Q-N00WQAMp7Cz?format=jpg&name=large

I love seeing the team together but they either needed more lighting or a different backdrop. Coaching staff have a bad case of floating heads.

[bluebellmaniac]

I love seeing the team together but they either needed more lighting or a different backdrop. Coaching staff have a bad case of floating heads.

Yes, that's a terrible backdrop for the team photo. That got approved?

[CGD]

OT but if you are bored, see how various players are connected via their teammates.

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1395581623731642370

Pretty cool app. Turns out Moses Malone and Tim Duncan are connected through Kevin Willis.

[Seventyniner]

Pretty cool app. Turns out Moses Malone and Tim Duncan are connected through Kevin Willis.

Kevin Willis is what allowed only 6 degrees from George Mikan to Tony Parker too.

[Thomas82]

Pretty cool app. Turns out Moses Malone and Tim Duncan are connected through Kevin Willis.

Well, now that you mention it, he was a teammate of both of them.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1197929409044504576/nKXnm0aN_normal.jpg
Shams Charania ShamsCharania

(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 3h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1403068786350112772)
The NBA officially is returning to its normal October-June calendar for next season. Teams received new key dates today.


Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

Sources: Key dates for the 2021-22 NBA season:
Sept. 28: Training camp starts
Oct. 19: Regular season starts
April 16: Playoffs start
June 2: Finals Game 1
June 19: Finals Game 7
June 23: 2022 NBA Draft

[niraj2000]

This is great..Summer league ends Aug 17 and then free agency and then in Sept training camp resume...Round the year BB.

[Mr. Body]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1197929409044504576/nKXnm0aN_normal.jpg
Shams Charania ShamsCharania

(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 3h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1403068786350112772)
The NBA officially is returning to its normal October-June calendar for next season. Teams received new key dates today.


Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

Sources: Key dates for the 2021-22 NBA season:
Sept. 28: Training camp starts
Oct. 19: Regular season starts
April 16: Playoffs start
June 2: Finals Game 1
June 19: Finals Game 7
June 23: 2022 NBA Draft

Adam Silver poring over the schedule right now figuring out how to screw over the Spurs.

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1197929409044504576/nKXnm0aN_normal.jpg
Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania

3h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1403068786350112772)
The NBA officially is returning to its normal October-June calendar for next season. Teams received new key dates today.


Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania


Sources: Key dates for the 2021-22 NBA season:
Sept. 28: Training camp starts
Oct. 19: Regular season starts
April 16: Playoffs start
June 2: Finals Game 1
June 19: Finals Game 7
June 23: 2022 NBA Draft
great news!!

[ace3g]

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[RC_Drunkford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1197929409044504576/nKXnm0aN_normal.jpg
Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania

3h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1403068786350112772)
The NBA officially is returning to its normal October-June calendar for next season. Teams received new key dates today.


Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania


Sources: Key dates for the 2021-22 NBA season:
Sept. 28: Training camp starts
Oct. 19: Regular season starts
April 16: Playoffs start
June 2: Finals Game 1
June 19: Finals Game 7
June 23: 2022 NBA Draft

but when do Dark Winter and Cyber Polygon start? that's the real question

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1420214594585440256

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1420214943446622209