Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[Maddog]

:tu Yeah in the last few days his name seems to be everywhere. I love what I'm seeing from this guy.

This was a really interesting read...

https://lakersdraft.substack.com/p/my-watch-has-begun?s=r



Seems like his game is tailor made for the combine too...


https://youtu.be/ioGwhFRCzgg

Looks sort of Primo like
A little lacking in explosiveness,
But then again it's not like watching a full game

[BacktoBasics]

Literally any footage shows he's not Kyle Anderson.

I haven’t seen any footage that shows explosiveness or any noteworthy athleticism. Not to say he isn’t I just haven’t seen it.

He looks like he moves methodically and deliberate rather than instinctually athletic.

[Degoat]

I see Jeremy Sochan as a less athletic Obi Toppin tbh

[DPG21920]

I see Jeremy Sochan as a less athletic Obi Toppin tbh

But way better on defense

[exstatic]

I see Jeremy Sochan as a less athletic Obi Toppin tbh

Obi Toppin never played a day of defense in his life. D is Sochan's calling card. Toppin was 22 when drafted. Sochan will be 19. Toppin is a terrible rebounder. Sochan is a good rebounder.

[The Truth #6]

I see Jeremy Sochan as a less athletic Obi Toppin tbh

If I remember, Toppin was a high leaper but had very poor lateral movement, so I guess there are different types of athleticism is what I would say. Sochan doesn't seem unathletic in any way to me; I'm curious to see his combine measurements.

[Degoat]

When I watch Sochan he looks stiff in his movements, he’s not a leaper and he has to make up on plays with his Length because he’s not super quick. I like Sochan and think he‘ll be a target for the spurs but at 9 idk

[R. DeMurre]

Obi Toppin was one of those prospects who drove me crazy with interviews. Every scouting reel and scouting report said he was a dunker who couldn't defend, so in interviews what did Toppin talk about incessantly-- was it working on defense? Nope. He talked about dunking, over and over again. I could just tell that his mindset wasn't focused on addressing shortcomings and becoming a better defender. But still so many people said he'd step right in from Day 1 and start at PF and be a big time scorer, which of course did not happen.

[jjspur]

When I watch Sochan he looks stiff in his movements, he’s not a leaper and he has to make up on plays with his Length because he’s not super quick. I like Sochan and think he‘ll be a target for the spurs but at 9 idk
If Sochan falls to around 15, I can see the spurs trading the 20 & 25th pick for him. Sochan is a decent player but not worth 2 first round picks, although the spurs have done some really boneheaded moves in the draft. They think they're out smarting every other team but they just outsmart themselves if they do that.

[Mr. Body]

You guys realize athleticism isn't just jumping, right? Like, there's ways to move on a court that aren't just vertical. Kyle Anderson isn't the comparison because Sochan is much quicker in his reactions. He's more like a Scottie Barnes. They're both very big but move very well across the court. No one would say either is a vertical athlete.

[rjv]

if athleticism was all that mattered, lonnie would be the best player on the spurs roster by far.

[duncan2150]

You guys realize athleticism isn't just jumping, right? Like, there's ways to move on a court that aren't just vertical.

difficult for some, i don't find one scouting saying Sochan is not a good athlet. Maybe is not explosive but he is a good athlet, when you are 6'9 and you can guard pretty every positions then you're good.

For all the debate about him and if he's a good pick at 9 .... imo yes he is, i have him second on my board for the spurs but i can understand the thing because for me when i watched him, i see a really high ceilling. You don't need to teach him defense and i see some upside offensively tough the % were low, the form was good.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1524740451252596737

[KingKev]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1524740451252596737

I’m nit advocating for or against as I know nothing regarding college prospects but these hype videos posted by so called twitter scouts are so damn useless.

[JPB]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1524740451252596737

Was wondering where that Miller hype was coming from, as I keep getting less and less impressed with every meaningless, new "workout" vid pooping out (horrible shot with slow release, actually slow overall) until I saw his agent was bill Duffy... from BDA Sports Management / WME Sports

Praise my kid and I'll give you some scoop or interview from my players (and he has a lot of NBA players).

[duncan2150]

I agree that those videos of a guy working out solo are not the thing that impresses me. I think it's a thing to watch to evaluate the prospect shooting form or physical attributes...

[PhantomDashCam]

That shot is a real concern to me especially when we’ve heard a lot about Miller being a G and going through a growth spurt.

At 1:11 mark when he starts shooting, you get an idea of his form.
His dominant hand drags right considerably from where he brings the ball up which would lead to an inconsistent release and some wild misses.
He also has this stunted type jump effect where he really doesn’t look to be generating effective power from it either.

I had read that he had a variety of movement type shots in his bag - step backs, side steps etc which would be extremely hard to pull off with that form.

My conclusion - this is someone who was shooting the long ball at a very early age and developed poor habits by shooting it without the necessary tools at the time to do so.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[Mr. Body]

His shot is totally fixable, not concerned at all. He's the youngest player in the draft, or close to it. What matters is how he processes the game, what's inside his head, how he can be coached and understand the game better. None of that can be seen in dumb vids like this.

[BatManu20]

His shot definitely needs to be revamped. Too low and slow, and has a bit of a hitch in it. He’ll have to completely rework that imo, which isn’t a huge deal considering his age (youngest player in the draft this year at 18 1/2 years old). But it’s clear that he has nice touch for a 6’9-6’10 guy (still don’t buy his 6’11 billing) despite his weird mechanics.

Athleticism looks fine, nothing special. His scouting report says he’s not a good defender right now though, but that he also hasn’t been asked to play much defense due to the lack of competition, so hard to know. The combine will be telling of where he’s at in relation to the other guys.

Lastly, like Body said, I wanna see what he looks like in scrimmages. How he holds up against better competition, how he processes the game, if he stands out at all or disappears or just straight up struggles, etc. He’ll be battling guys 1-3 years older than him, so it’ll be interesting to see how he holds up. Looking forward to it. Wouldn’t be surprised if ends up going the G-League Unite route though if he underperforms.

[BatManu20]

More breakdown of some of his HS game tape which, again, doesn’t tell us much given his level of competition. But it does highlight some of the little things he does at his ripe age of 18.

Also, this video mentions that he measures just under 6’10 barefoot, so maybe his 6’11 billing is legit. We’ll see.


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[duncan2150]

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Smith looks intriguing ( young, athletic, 37% on 8 3pt attempts per game :rolleyes), Diabate could be a nice 2nd round.

[KingKev]

Wow Fort Erie Int’l Academy LOL as someone with roots in the area is that a fking joke?

Pls no. Atleast Primo played HS ball down south.

[TD 21]

You guys realize athleticism isn't just jumping, right? Like, there's ways to move on a court that aren't just vertical. Kyle Anderson isn't the comparison because Sochan is much quicker in his reactions. He's more like a Scottie Barnes. They're both very big but move very well across the court. No one would say either is a vertical athlete.

Yeah, he's more of a fluid (lateral quickness) than explosive athlete. He seems like a less athletic version of Aaron Gordon.

Similar to Daniels, I'd get it, but be underwhelmed at the same time (non shooter, lacking elite athleticism and go-to upside).

[BackHome]

Smith looks intriguing ( young, athletic, 37% on 8 3pt attempts per game :rolleyes), Diabate could be a nice 2nd round.

Agreed, you know this draft is starting to look pretty deep as far as talent

[Degoat]

This is a great draft to have multiple picks in, maybe doesn’t have sure fire stars but there’s lots of good players in it.

[duncan2150]

This is a great draft to have multiple picks in, maybe doesn’t have sure fire stars but there’s lots of good players in it.

Yes and that's why (unless a really good offer for a proven player or packaging two picks to moving up a lot ) i want the spurs to use their picks on players.

[Big Empty]

9-Jalen Duron
20 Leonard Miller
25 Kendal Brown

[BatManu20]

9-Jalen Duron
20 Leonard Miller
25 Kendal Brown

The more time passes, the more confident I am that the Spurs will not be selecting Jalen Duren.

[Degoat]

Not necessarily what I want but this is how I foresee the draft going lol

9th- Ousmane Dieng
20th- Bryce Mcgowens
25th- Ismael Kamagate

call me crazy, but that looks like a spurs draft. Many won’t love it but I can see the spurs going that route.

[KingKev]

Wow Fort Erie Int’l Academy LOL as someone with roots in the area is that a fking joke?

Pls no. Atleast Primo played HS ball down south.

I’m bumping this. It looks like Leonard Miller was playing with and against kids that probably couldn’t get a D3 offer.

[BackHome]

Not necessarily what I want but this is how I foresee the draft going lol

9th- Ousmane Dieng
20th- Bryce Mcgowens
25th- Ismael Kamagate

call me crazy, but that looks like a spurs draft. Many won’t love it but I can see the spurs going that route.

I am down with that draft:

38th - Josh Minott PF or Procida SF

[scott]

Still can't see the Spurs drafting 4 guys. Certainly some moves in the works.

[Degoat]

Still can't see the Spurs drafting 4 guys. Certainly some moves in the works.

I sort of think that way as well but the free agency class sucks this off-season and it’s become more and more apparent how valuable it is to have guys on rookie contracts. Some might argue that it would be bad because they’d become extension eligible all at the same time, let me tell you if they’re all good enough that they have to be extended we did pretty good in this draft lol

[duncan2150]

Still can't see the Spurs drafting 4 guys. Certainly some moves in the works.

when you see the roster and the lack of places, plus the money they will have in the FA : yes it's unlikely but what if they don't have some good offers ? i think the spurs should draft unless they have really good offers. The FO is in the good seat with money and 4 picks.

[PhantomDashCam]

Smith looks intriguing ( young, athletic, 37% on 8 3pt attempts per game :rolleyes), Diabate could be a nice 2nd round.

Smith’s profile seems to have risen considerably post college season. Raf. Barlowe was the first I’d saw mention him and he had him pegged as a definite first rounder.

Pete Nance is interesting, brother to Larry who was a SpursTalk favourite in FA/Trade awhile ago.
From that same article that mentioned Jalen Williams:


…Larry Nance Jr. got his father’s vertical ability, but Pete Nance got his father’s jumpshot. Both players are ideal bigs for dribble-hand-off situations, pick-and-roll, or playing the high post. Both Larry and Pete demonstrate the ability to read the floor, make sharp passes, and be positive contributors on both ends. Both had 20%+ assist rates, 20%+ defensive rebounding rates, and 4%+ block rates on 25%+ usage.
The one thing Lakers would have loved early on from Larry Nance Jr. was some 3-point ability. It wasn’t just about making 3-point shots, but also having some gravity to open up the paint.
Pete does that...

[BatManu20]

Still can't see the Spurs drafting 4 guys. Certainly some moves in the works.

Plenty of draft-and-stash options in this draft. But yea, could also trade for a future FRP and I’d be okay with that.

[BatManu20]

This kid is reportedly moving up draft boards. Interesting prospect. Explosive athlete at 6’4. Averaged 16/4/2 this season and shot 36% from 3.

Shot 50% on corner 3’s this season though (!!). Spurs worked him out yesterday. Name to keep an eye on.

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[exstatic]

I sort of think that way as well but the free agency class sucks this off-season and it’s become more and more apparent how valuable it is to have guys on rookie contracts. Some might argue that it would be bad because they’d become extension eligible all at the same time, let me tell you if they’re all good enough that they have to be extended we did pretty good in this draft lol

The problem isn’t if they’re good enough. If they all become eligible at the samevtime, and they agree to take DJ’s bargain $15M/yr extension, that’s like dropping a $45M contract on your cap, sudden like. I think they’ll draft the lottery pick and #38, see who’s there at #20, and maybe stash it, and trade #25 to someone for a future #1, kicking the can down the road, so to speak.

[BatManu20]

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[exstatic]

when you see the roster and the lack of places, plus the money they will have in the FA : yes it's unlikely but what if they don't have some good offers ? i think the spurs should draft unless they have really good offers. The FO is in the good seat with money and 4 picks.

There’s always a market for FRPs. The price includes a convenience charge for wanting a player right now and needing a pick. Usually a better FRP in the future, or an equivalent one and a SRP.

[BackHome]

A couple of teams have multiple first round picks and a couple have multiple second round picks it will be interesting to see what the market dictates. Me I am for getting the best players and then worry about contracts latter on - keep the ones we want and trade the others

[jjspur]

I agree that those videos of a guy working out solo are not the thing that impresses me. I think it's a thing to watch to evaluate the prospect shooting form or physical attributes...
All this video shows is the he's tall enough to dunk, big whoop. Color me unimpressed so for.

[John B]

Still can't see the Spurs drafting 4 guys. Certainly some moves in the works.

I think if Spurs get lucky and get a top 4 pick, then we might see some trades, go all in to contend. IF Spurs stay with 9th pick, I’ll see them using all 4 picks and see what they get. I’m praying for the former. :bobo

[Big Empty]

I think if Spurs get lucky and get a top 4 pick, then we might see some trades, go all in to contend. IF Spurs stay with 9th pick, I’ll see them using all 4 picks and see what they get. I’m praying for the former. :bobo top 4 pick Spurs drafting for the future. We make the first round next year with a top 4 pick. Can go wrong with any of the to prospects even if the 3 bigs are gone, we draft Ivey with the 4th and a 4 with #20

[Thomas82]

9-Jalen Duron
20 Leonard Miller
25 Kendal Brown

I would be ecstatic with that haul.

[SAGirl]

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Bryn Forbes part deux?

[BatManu20]

Bryn Forbes part deux?

Definitely some similarities. Marcello’s a little taller but they have similar builds and similar games. Both 3-point shooters who struggle defensively. Spurs may not be able to resist.

[John B]

He does average a steal a game.

[exstatic]

A couple of teams have multiple first round picks and a couple have multiple second round picks it will be interesting to see what the market dictates. Me I am for getting the best players and then worry about contracts latter on - keep the ones we want and trade the others

The problem is, once you figure out the FRPs that aren’t developing to your satisfaction, pretty much everyone else knows that, too, and you’ll never pull a FRP for them. Call it the Lonnie dilemma. I also see an issue with trying to simultaneously develop 3 FRPs. There’s usually one PD coach who focuses on the FRP. The other coaches might interface here and there, but their main job is scouting and upcoming game prep.

Kick that #25 pick down the road a year or two, and maybe it turns into a better pick.

[Seventyniner]

Bryn Forbes part deux?

More like Jack McClintock, probably.

[exstatic]

I’m bumping this. It looks like Leonard Miller was playing with and against kids that probably couldn’t get a D3 offer.

He was 'discovered' at the Nike Hoop Summit, and those are NOT kids who can't get a D3 offer. Was said to be the best player on the international team.

[lebomb]

Spurs need some athletic bigs down low.

Duren and/or Eason IMHO

[KingKev]

He was 'discovered' at the Nike Hoop Summit, and those are NOT kids who can't get a D3 offer. Was said to be the best player on the international team.

His last season was at Fort Erie International Academy - trust me those are kids who couldn’t get D3 offers. One decent outing at a hoops summit is risky business for an FRP choice.

[Maddog]

His last season was at Fort Erie International Academy - trust me those are kids who couldn’t get D3 offers. One decent outing at a hoops summit is risky business for an FRP choice.

Even taking D1 players is a risky business
While to some extent I agree with you taking a player on limited live action against quality opponents- I'm more and more convinced that to some degree this a crap shoot.

[KingKev]

Even taking D1 players is a risky business
While to some extent I agree with you taking a player on limited live action against quality opponents- I'm more and more convinced that to some degree this a crap shoot.

Agreed. I understand the intrigue. He makes sense to me in the second round but With that being said I guess we are well position to risk a pick if need be (Tor/Bos) with little repercussion.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1519682667658186754

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, Sochan remains my guy. I like others - Davis, coming around to Daniels - but Sochan doesn't simply fit a need, he has incredible potential. He fixes a lot of defensive problems immediately and I think his shooting woes are probably fixable. Plus he's very Spursy in background and personality.

[ace3g]

Yeah, Sochan remains my guy. I like others - Davis, coming around to Daniels - but Sochan doesn't simply fit a need, he has incredible potential. He fixes a lot of defensive problems immediately and I think his shooting woes are probably fixable. Plus he's very Spursy in background and personality.

+1

I think Chip can work with his jump shot and make some subtle changes that will drastically improve everything.

His defensive versatility (must need in the playoffs) , body control around the basket, and post up game intrigues me.

[duncan2150]

Yeah, Sochan remains my guy. I like others - Davis, coming around to Daniels - but Sochan doesn't simply fit a need, he has incredible potential. He fixes a lot of defensive problems immediately and I think his shooting woes are probably fixable. Plus he's very Spursy in background and personality.

if we are 9, i have my definitive list since a few weeks , that will not change imo.

Duren
Sochan
Daniels
Davis
Murray( i really think he can fall to us)

Approximatively in that order : duren/sochan could be my tier 1 and Daniels/Davis my tier 2 with murray just after or with them.

[Degoat]

If we some how land in the top 4 my order would be Paulo, Jabari, Chet, Ivey.

if we stay at 9, Johnny Davis, Jalen Duren, Ousmane Dieng, Jeremy Sochan.

[Maddog]

I saw one game, but was underwhelmed with Davis. Maybe because he looks like an average athlete and finished product
That. Said I'm rarely right about these things, but then again who is

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1519682667658186754

I’m wondering if Sochan is this year’s Scotty Barnes, the guy with the janky shot that every one except one team considers too risky to draft high. Scotty won ROY shooting 30% from three in a league that values that stat over just about everything else.

[Mr. Body]

I’m wondering if Sochan is this year’s Scotty Barnes, the guy with the janky shot that every one except one team considers too risky to draft high. Scotty won ROY shooting 30% from three in a league that values that stat over just about everything else.

I've been comparing him to Barnes for a while. They're both big guys with a lot of horizontal athleticism. Sochan does have playmaking ability. Not at the Barnes level, but he's a smart player. Sochan might beat him defensively.

[BackHome]

If we some how land in the top 4 my order would be Paulo, Jabari, Chet, Ivey.

if we stay at 9, Johnny Davis, Jalen Duren, Ousmane Dieng, Jeremy Sochan.

I support this :toast

[BackHome]

I've been comparing him to Barnes for a while. They're both big guys with a lot of horizontal athleticism. Sochan does have playmaking ability. Not at the Barnes level, but he's a smart player. Sochan might beat him defensively.

Only two issues one his free throw form is terrible it will be the first thing that needs to be broken down and fixed. The second you need to have a very good shot blocker at center as Sochan is not a good rim protector not saying he is not a good defender it's just he is not that type of player flying all over blocking shots.

[duncan2150]

Only two issues one his free throw form is terrible it will be the first thing that needs to be broken down and fixed. The second you need to have a very good shot blocker at center as Sochan is not a good rim protector not saying he is not a good defender it's just he is not that type of player flying all over blocking shots.

agreed on the blocks, at 9 the only guy who can do that if he still there is Duren. I'm not concerned about this part of Sochan's game, he will give you a block occasionnaly but that's not the best part of his game.

I hope the spurs will take a rim protector with one of their picks

[lmbebo]

Less concerned with having a shot blocker as more as having someone who can rebound and defend that 4 spot. a 4 and D player?

[BatManu20]

Sochan has a slow release in that video but not to worried about it. If he can become even just an average 3-pt shooter (34-36%) with a slightly quicker release, he becomes a totally different player. Already looks like he’s bulked up a bit since last season at Baylor. If he performs well at the combine, could see him getting picked right before us at 7 or 8 tbh.

[DPG21920]

I would love for SA to get Sochan and Eason if they don’t land a top 4 pick. Use 9 to pick one of them, then also use 20, 25 and players to move up and get the other.

Man, if timvp is right, and Eason is going to fall to near 20, getting Sochan & Eason with just 9 and 20 while having pick 25 still to trade with would be incredible.

Im surprised Eason is so low on timvp board seeing how SA defense was the issue this year and those types of players seem to be very valuable right now in the nba and tend to outperform (even with offensive flaws).

[DPG21920]

I still, really really want SA to maneuver during the draft. They really dont need to draft 3 picks in the first so I am hoping they can use 20/25 and Richardson to move up closer to another lottery pick. I would even use Jak if CHA is still interested. Something around Jak + 25 for Players + pick 13 would be amazing and would allow for SA to likely use 9 + 13 to move up further too..

Just want to see them maximizing assets and still keeping an eye on future (trade Doug and Richardson for any future draft comp or to move up)

[exstatic]

Man, if timvp is right, and Eason is going to fall to near 20, getting Sochan & Eason with just 9 and 20 while having pick 25 still to trade with would be incredible.

Im surprised Eason is so low on timvp board seeing how SA defense was the issue this year and those types of players seem to be very valuable right now in the nba and tend to outperform (even with offensive flaws).

Eason seems to be dropping across the boards. He has that ”doesn’t seem to know where he is” Lonnie Walker vibe. I’ve paid my money, and watched that entire movie already. It’s also an unfixable condition.

[BatManu20]

I’d be shocked if Eason got past Chicago at 18. They desperately need defense on that team and he would get lots of playing time as a Rookie imo. They’d prob run that card up to the podium if he were available. I read they’re interested in Leonard Miller at 18 too though.

[Degoat]

My biggest thing against Sochan, and I’m not against the spurs drafting him, I’d be happy but if we took him but at 9 is he really that special that we should take him with our 9th pick versus grabbing a guy like PBJ, Jovic, Liddell at the 20th spot and addressing the 9th pick with someone with more upside.

[Mr. Body]

I’d be shocked if Eason got past Chicago at 18. They desperately need defense on that team and he would get lots of playing time as a Rookie imo. They’d prob run that card up to the podium if he were available. I read they’re interested in Leonard Miller at 18 too though.

Yeah, I don't see Eason lasting until 20. He's way too productive for teams to keep passing on him. But I do see the reasons the Spurs might stay away. He doesn't seem to be a bad dude, as far as I know, but he's just wild and undisciplined in a team setting. He lost to, and then beat, Paolo Banchero's team in high school, by the way.

[R. DeMurre]

Eason's definitely got an odd personality. In post game interviews at LSU, his teammates almost always seemed aloof and awkward with him. I've watched more than a dozen of these, and they are always strangely uncomfortable, sometimes with teammates actually rolling their eyes at the interview table. I don't understand the exact dynamic there, but it's weird. There's very little team chumminess or casual jokey friendliness there that I can see.

[duncan2150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

it's in !

[Dejounte]

League proving again you don’t need an elite center to win. Why do people want to waste their pick on Duren again?

[Degoat]

League proving again you don’t need an elite center to win. Why do people want to waste their pick on Duren again?

Because I don’t trust Jakob or Zach Collins to be our bigs lol joking aside Duren isn’t a first choice of mine but I still wouldn’t mind us picking him. A couple guys I’d rather have then him for sure tho

[Mr. Body]

League proving again you don’t need an elite center to win. Why do people want to waste their pick on Duren again?

The idea seems to be paired with trading Poeltl. I dunno about using a top 10 pick on a center nowadays.

[Dejounte]

Again, the concern is about using a lottery pick on a center in today’s NBA where centers don’t lead teams deep into the playoffs. This isn’t about whether our current centers are good enough, this is about if it’s even worth using the pick on one.

[mo7888]

Again, the concern is about using a lottery pick on a center in today’s NBA where centers don’t lead teams deep into the playoffs. This isn’t about whether our current centers are good enough, this is about if it’s even worth using the pick on one.

To me it's about who's on the board when we pick. If Duren is BPA I'd take him but, from a philosophical perspective you make a good point. If there are players on the board in the same tier that I had Duren I'd probably go with someone playing a different position but I don't think I'd pick someone from a lower tier over him.

[BackHome]

The idea seems to be paired with trading Poeltl. I dunno about using a top 10 pick on a center nowadays.

Poodle is a good player but he is going to want to get paid $$ so that is why I want the Spurs to keep pursing that trade that broke down or any other new trades. I am also wanting us to get a center with the 25th pick I am really high on Kamagate or Koloko so even if we don't get a trade done that gives them one year of learning before we have to let Poodle go because of money $$$

Either way in this draft I am looking for size I would rather take Dieng with our 9th pick as I think he has the most upside but depending on measurements and skill test and scrimmage I would not hate taking Sochan, or even Daniels if he is a legit 8ft and the Spurs think they can fix his three ball shooting?

[rascal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

it's in !

Why so many so high on him? I don't see a potential future star in his game. A solid role player but not a go to scorer.

[Mr. Body]

Why so many so high on him? I don't see a potential future star in his game. A solid role player but not a go to scorer.

Why do you keep wanting Sochan to be a go to scorer? Lol.

[rascal]

Why do you keep wanting Sochan to be a go to scorer? Lol.

By the talk and the hype on this guy you'd think he has a higher potential on the offensive side.

If you burn a top ten pick on a player don't target what appears as a limited offensive player. Defensive role players you can find with the 20th and/ or 25th picks.

[BackHome]

I have decided I am on the official Ousmane Dieng Train.....

[Mr. Body]

By the talk and the hype on this guy you'd think he has a higher potential on the offensive side.



Who has said this? Are you brain damaged?

[rascal]

Who has said this? Are you brain damaged?

What makes you think I'm saying someone is saying he is a strong offensive player?

I'm saying Sochan is over hyped and shouldn't be pick 9.

[The Truth #6]

What makes you think I'm saying someone is saying he is a strong offensive player?

I'm saying Sochan is over hyped and shouldn't be pick 9.

Well, we need a power forward and after the first 7 picks or so the talent level drops off. There is no home run pick at #9 I would argue. I've been leaning towards Davis, but I'm not absolutely in love with that scenario, either. The other option is swinging for the fences for a star down the road, like Leonard Miller or Ousmane Dieng, but both are so young and would need so much work, it feels like a really low chance of success.

[rjv]

League proving again you don’t need an elite center to win. Why do people want to waste their pick on Duren again?

this also points to FA in regards to whether or not the spurs did decide to spend serious cap space this summer. should it be spent on ayton or lavine?

[Trill Clinton]

Yea give me Sochan at 9

[BackHome]

He was 'discovered' at the Nike Hoop Summit, and those are NOT kids who can't get a D3 offer. Was said to be the best player on the international team.


Well, we need a power forward and after the first 7 picks or so the talent level drops off. There is no home run pick at #9 I would argue. I've been leaning towards Davis, but I'm not absolutely in love with that scenario, either. The other option is swinging for the fences for a star down the road, like Leonard Miller or Ousmane Dieng, but both are so young and would need so much work, it feels like a really low chance of success.

Dieng and Sochan are the same age and nothing is a sure thing when drafting and as people have stated we need a massive talent upgrade and it happens to be a position of need. Also, for the record his first half of the season he was terrible but the second half he showed why he is lottery talent. Not easy going to a new country/league and he is playing against professionals players who are getting paid for a living and he is doing it at 18 years old.

Also, if his measurements are true 6’10 with a 7.1 wingspan that some nice building blocks in addition to his shooting and ball handling.

[The Truth #6]

I’m not opposed to Dieng but I think Sochan is more developed physically and could contribute more quickly but he has a lower ceiling I suppose, but I think Sochan also has some upside on offense in at least a secondary role.

[JPB]

Dieng and Sochan are the same age and nothing is a sure thing when drafting and as people have stated we need a massive talent upgrade and it happens to be a position of need. Also, for the record his first half of the season he was terrible but the second half he showed why he is lottery talent. Not easy going to a new country/league and he is playing against professionals players who are getting paid for a living and he is doing it at 18 years old.

Also, if his measurements are true 6’10 with a 7.1 wingspan that some nice building blocks in addition to his shooting and ball handling.

that's something indeed Dieng gets for himself. He experienced a change of country in a new pro league and I guess he'll be prepared to that entering the NBA. I also guess he'll be "familiar" with the spurs, watching TP growing up, who might even give him a few advice on how to deal with Pop as a rookie and about life in SA in general (minus fucking your teammate wife).

[BatManu20]

Yea give me Sochan at 9

Sup Trill? Where you been brah

[Trill Clinton]

Sup Trill? Where you been brah

Sup fam. I've been around.

[BackHome]

Mike Schmitz just did a good video with Dieng, it worth a view though audio could be better. If anyone could post it that would be cool.

[JPB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiBIygLrNY

[KingKev]

How is Mike Schmitz a thing?

[The Truth #6]

Ousmane Dieng looks to be gaining steam around here. Therefore, not happening. Ha.

[Mr. Body]

How is Mike Schmitz a thing?

He's the only guy who works for ESPN who has any idea what he's talking about.

[KingKev]

He's the only guy who works for ESPN who has any idea what he's talking about.

Low bar i’ll concede but most of the crap he puts out is just that. You and I could
make a hype video and he might post it.

[Mr. Body]

In addition to his fluidity, good handles for his size, and burgeoning individual skills, Dieng seems to have a pretty good read on the game. Raw, but could emerge to teams who want to be ahead of the curve on a young player. Sound familiar?

[Mr. Body]

Low bar i’ll concede but most of the crap he puts out is just that. You and I could
make a hype video and he might post it.

Those discussions with the players, he clearly knows what he's talking about. The hype shit is probably what his employer forces him to do. ESPN is straight trash.

[BackHome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiBIygLrNY

Thanks for posting this JPB your the man - Much appreciated :flag:

[BackHome]

Fansided just same out with a mock that made everyone happy:

9th pick - Murray
20th pick - Dieng
25th pick - Kamagate

:lobt2:

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/JordanGuskey/status/1526275584925515778

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1526271812560101377

[KingKev]

Those discussions with the players, he clearly knows what he's talking about. The hype shit is probably what his employer forces him to do. ESPN is straight trash.

He just wants to be one of the boys it seems like…

“Had a great workout with Mr Body and KingKev today. Virtually unstoppable around the rim it’s like they weren’t even being guarded. Mr Body dunked at least 10x times. KingKev showed he is a 3 level scorer. Can only imagine the intensity they will bring to the pros”

When it’s literally a video of the two of us shooting around.

[CGD]

League proving again you don’t need an elite center to win. Why do people want to waste their pick on Duren again?

The top 3 finalists for MVP this year were elite centers. That they aren’t in the final four now speaks more to their teams’ injury luck (+ the catastrophe that is Harden in case of Philly).

[tonight...you]

He just wants to be one of the boys it seems like…

“Had a great workout with Mr Body and KingKev today. Virtually unstoppable around the rim it’s like they weren’t even being guarded. Mr Body dunked at least 10x times. KingKev showed he is a 3 level scorer. Can only imagine the intensity they will bring to the pros”

When it’s literally a video of the two of us shooting around.
Against KingKev? Sold bubba.
I know my main man be like, "not giving no ground to this preternatural putz!".

Solid KingKev

[Mr. Body]

The top 3 finalists for MVP this year were elite centers. That they aren’t in the final four now speaks more to their teams’ injury luck (+ the catastrophe that is Harden in case of Philly).

Yeah, those top centers are incredibly dominant. I wouldn't draw much from any of the teams left in the playoffs. None of them are historically great teams by any stretch of the imagination. The league is very open/flat right now.

[The Truth #6]

Jaden Hardy, the forgotten baller and shot caller. Yes, it's concerning that he was considered a top 5, maybe top 3, pick initially but then struggled right off the bat. Evaluating young players, basically college freshman, playing against former great college players in the G League is challenging. But Hardy seemed to continually get better as the season went along but the first impression was that he sucked.

What intrigues me with him is that he is a creative scorer and looks to be a solid scorer in the PnR and step back 3s and that sort of thing. His shooting percentages got better as the season progressed.

There are definitely concerns with him: likely a bad defender, average to below average athlete, struggles to get separation. But there is a lot to like, some upside as a passer, especially his potential as a potential shot creator, and to me shot creation is possibly the most important skill that the Spurs desperately need. I think he should be considered at #20, but might be gone by then.

I know, another 6'4" combo guard. Lol. But until the Spurs get someone that can create a shot, we are still stuck in the same situation as a team. And here's a ridiculous but potential scenario: most of the projected players in our range drop out of the combine, Hardy sticks around and impresses the Spurs with skills that were buried on the Ignite, and they take him for the #9 pick. THAT would be a hilarious meltdown.

This site, Box and One, which I typically respect, has him as their #5 prospect, so that opened my eyes: https://youtu.be/OC-Uezq1a6A.

Their write up: https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/jaden-hardy-2022-nba-draft-scouting?s=w

Granted, no one else has him that high.

[C-Dub]

Primo looked like an Allstar against Jaden Harvey & Dyson Daniels this past season when the Austin Spurs played the Ignite team in the G-league. He seemed miles better then the both of them when paired up. Had a missed jumper and followed up his miss with a put back nasty dunk.

[Ditty]

Feel like we are going full non-American in this draft.

9) Dieng
20) Miller
25) Jovic
38) Procida

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1526389647194173446

Could be a late first, big athlet but raw. If he shows he can shoot the ball, he could be something. 6'8 foward with a 6'11 wingspan.

[CGD]

Just draft a bunch of 6’8” and over dudes and see if the developmental staff can work their magic. we’re set at the 6’4” and below slots, thanks!

[rascal]

Feel like we are going full non-American in this draft.

9) Dieng
20) Miller
25) Jovic
38) Procida

That would not be a good draft.

[XDT76]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1526389647194173446

Could be a late first, big athlet but raw. If he shows he can shoot the ball, he could be something. 6'8 foward with a 6'11 wingspan.

Interesting clips, I believe he was not a 3pt shooter in college.

[The Truth #6]

Just draft a bunch of 6’8” and over dudes and see if the developmental staff can work their magic. we’re set at the 6’4” and below slots, thanks!

That makes sense, too. Ha. Dieng, Baldwin Jr., even Leonard Miller I think would give some upside the team needs to take a chance on. Dieng seems like the one with the best potential. But I could see him as being the player that could rise and be gone before 9, if teams get enamored with him and feel blah about other prospects.

[The Truth #6]

Interesting clips, I believe he was not a 3pt shooter in college.

His form looks ok. But his percentages in games was awful, iirc. Maybe he's just now putting time in on his skills.

[duncan2150]

Yes the % at 3 was awful but he took a really few threes, the good is the FT % who is at 75 %.

0.8 stl and 0.7 block in 15 minutes is pretty good.

[The Truth #6]

Yes the % at 3 was awful but he took a really few threes, the good is the FT % who is at 75 %.

0.8 stl and 0.7 block in 15 minutes is pretty good.

He looks like a defensive force. I have a little more interest in Marjon Beachamp for a similar type player. But if the Spurs get him at 20 or 25, I can live with that.

[KingKev]

Just draft a bunch of 6’8” and over dudes and see if the developmental staff can work their magic. we’re set at the 6’4” and below slots, thanks!

We actually aren’t though. BPA. Having guys like Vassell, Primo, Keldon etc should not dictate draft decisions. They aren't good enough.

[Ariel]

Scheduled workouts:
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-workout-tracker-where-are-prospects-going/




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Keon Ellis

SG
Alabama
Sr
47


140


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Harrison Ingram
SF
Stanford
Fr
53


141

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Dominick Barlow
PF
Overtime Elite
03
69


142

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Alex Barcello
PG
BYU
Sr
NR


143

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Darius Days
PF
LSU
Sr
NR


144


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Michael Devoe
SG
Georgia Tech
Sr
NR


145


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Jeriah Horne
SF
Tulsa
Sr
NR


146


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Jalen Wilson
SF
Kansas
So
NR



Ingram would sound intriguing for #38

[Ariel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DE0AjB9lc8
Very interesting prospect, I'm hoping we land him with one of the picks in the 20s... might go earlier

[ace3g]

Back from May 10th.

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1524097573304385542

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527001343407362048

[PhantomDashCam]

1526682318798471168

[Degoat]

Man that Dominick Barlow being represented by priomo’s agent could be something to watch as a potential get.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1527405421924851713

[rascal]

The Spurs got the first pick in the practice round.

[John B]

Man that Dominick Barlow being represented by priomo’s agent could be something to watch as a potential get.

Some smooth talker :lol

[Seventyniner]

https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1527405421924851713

Ouch. That's where all our Tankathon "simulate lottery" karma went, damn.

[SAGirl]

1527366542765109249

[BatManu20]

https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1527405421924851713

Just posted this in the other thread. Hilarious. NBA just rubbing salt in the wound.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol It'S a CoNsPiRaCy!!

[SAGirl]

Jalen Rising.
1527325458282319873

[PhantomDashCam]

1529167350695706628

[mo7888]

1529167350695706628

That would make a trade with Sacramento pretty enticing...

[RC_Drunkford]

That would make a trade with Sacramento pretty enticing...

I think there‘s a chance this could happen. They might like the pairing with SGA. If that happens Sacramento will get a ton of calls since everybody knows their FO is the dumbest in the league

[mo7888]

I think there‘s a chance this could happen. They might like the pairing with SGA. If that happens Sacramento will get a ton of calls since everybody knows their FO is the dumbest in the league

Yup...but Pelinka is vying for the title....

[RC_Drunkford]

Yup...but Pelinka is vying for the title....

It was LeGM :lmao

[mo7888]

It was LeGM :lmao

:bobo

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1529621191736332288

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1529621191736332288

I want them to post some Tim Heidecker thing where the player is fucking terrible.

[mystargtr34]

I want them to post some Tim Heidecker thing where the player is fucking terrible.

I’ve watched Draymond green warm up pre game in person a few times and my goodness is he balls are flying everywhere. Back rim, side rim, short. More clanks than makes. But obviously his defense is elite haha.

[jjspur]

Jalen Williams reminds me of Keldon Johnson. Big body 2.0 Wouldn't mind taking him at 25

[Mr. Body]

Jalen Williams reminds me of Keldon Johnson. Big body 2.0 Wouldn't mind taking him at 25

But we've got Keldon Johnson at home.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://youtu.be/o6OxjcC6pTg

We either grab him at #9 or trade back a little to have a shot. Don't think he's lasting until #20 unfortunately...

[BackHome]

9 is way way to early for drafting him but your right by 20 he might be gone....

[PhantomDashCam]

9 is way way to early for drafting him

He's going to get looks ala Primo last year. The Spurs are either going to have to hold their nerve or go all in...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CoolTautHorseshoecrab-size_restricted.gif

[keithington1]

Johnny Davis is my fav right now. Seeing him on that Taco Bell commercial just reinforced my belief in his stardom. In the playoffs the superstars get buckets. The name Johnny Davis just sounds like a future HOF.

[Dejounte]

JWill’s IQ is through the roof. Draft this man

[Dejounte]

After a couple years, this boy will be a yearly top 5 wing during his career. Call me out if I’m wrong. At least I have the balls to call it on someone who isn’t already projected lotto (like Sharpe) :lmao

[mo7888]

This is my updated BB since we've had the combine and a few workout reports. I think there will be more movement and a few guys in tier 6 have a chance to move up.

Tier 1
1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
Tier 2
5. Keegan Murray
6. Benedict Mathurin
7. Shaedon Sharpe
8. Jalen Duren
Tier 3
9. Johnny Davis
10. Ousmane Dieng
11. Dyson Daniels
12. AJ Griffin
Tier 4
13. Mark Williams
14. Tari Eason
15. Jeremy Sochan
16. EJ Liddell
17. Ochai Agbagi
Tier 5
18. Patrick Baldwin Jr
19. Blake Wesley
20. Malaki Branham
21. Jaden Hardy
22. Nikola Jovic
Tier 6
23. Jalen Williams
24. Gabriele Procida
25. Wendell Moore Jr
26. MarJon Beauchamp
27. John Butler Jr
28. Kendall Brown
29. TyTy Washington Jr
30. Kenny Chandler

[The Truth #6]

I still can’t see how Jalen Duren is so high, especially for us. Can’t shoot. Has no post moves. Not a multipositional defender. He’s great at a few things, things within five feet of the basket, but it’s not where the league has trended over the last ten years. His comps were all drafted at around 18 or lower. For pick #20, sure, absolutely. I value him about the same as Ochai Agbaji.

[mo7888]

I still can’t see how Jalen Duren is so high, especially for us. Can’t shoot. Has no post moves. Not a multipositional defender. He’s great at a few things, things within five feet of the basket, but it’s not where the league has trended over the last ten years. His comps were all drafted at around 18 or lower. For #20, sure, absolutely.

His shot isn't that bad and some evaluators think he will be a good mid range shooter. If you're in the camp that thinks he has a broken shot you'll have him much lower but, if you think his shot looks decent and that he can be a mid range plus shooter then you have him higher....I think his shot will be fine..

[The Truth #6]

Shooting seems like his swing skill for sure.

[rascal]

I still can’t see how Jalen Duren is so high, especially for us. Can’t shoot. Has no post moves. Not a multipositional defender. He’s great at a few things, things within five feet of the basket, but it’s not where the league has trended over the last ten years. His comps were all drafted at around 18 or lower. For pick #20, sure, absolutely. I value him about the same as Ochai Agbaji.

Ogbaji is better than Primo.

[exstatic]

I still can’t see how Jalen Duren is so high, especially for us. Can’t shoot. Has no post moves. Not a multipositional defender. He’s great at a few things, things within five feet of the basket, but it’s not where the league has trended over the last ten years. His comps were all drafted at around 18 or lower. For pick #20, sure, absolutely. I value him about the same as Ochai Agbaji.

Read THIS (https://www.thestepien.com/2021/12/29/a-taxonomy-of-rim-protectors/) and you'll see why people are high on Duren. You are massively under rating his defense.

[Mr. Body]

Read THIS (https://www.thestepien.com/2021/12/29/a-taxonomy-of-rim-protectors/) and you'll see why people are high on Duren. You are massively under rating his defense.

That writer should be a kindergarten teacher. Everything is "astounding" and "exceptional." He throws superlatives around like stickers. Everyone's phenomenal! Everyone's great!

[exstatic]

That writer should be a kindergarten teacher. Everything is "astounding" and "exceptional." He throws superlatives around like stickers. Everyone's phenomenal! Everyone's great!

I went back and re-read, got 1/3 of the way thru the article, and found ONE superlative.

[Ariel]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/cavaliers-rumors-collin-sexton-caris-levert-kevin-love-trade-free-agent-nba-draft-targets/

The guy they’d draft at No. 14 is really team-friendly in terms of his contract and a young player under team control for the next four or five years. The type of player they’d acquire in a trade centered around the 14th pick I don’t think is going to move the needle all that much for them to give up the chance to take a swing on the upside of Malaki Branham, Johnny Davis, Ben Mathurin if he falls down the board, Tari Eason, who’s a player I know the Cavs like. Kentucky’s TyTy Washington is another player I know the Cavs like. Jeremy Sochan is another player I know the Cavs are interested in.
Damn... I was hoping they'd go for Agbaji, but there seems to be quite an overlap with our (as in the forums') interests.
I'm hoping at least Eason falls a bit so we can nab him @ 20 or at least he makes it to the 15 - 20 range were we can possibly trade up for him.

[Ariel]

Read THIS (https://www.thestepien.com/2021/12/29/a-taxonomy-of-rim-protectors/) and you'll see why people are high on Duren. You are massively under rating his defense.
Is Duren @ 9 better value than Kamagate or Koloko @ 25, maybe even 38 (one of them could fall)? Unless he massively improves his offensive skillset, I'm going with no...

[Ariel]

Jalen Williams is still underrated. He's
definitely a lottery pick talent.
I definitely like the highlights we've seen from him, both season and combine, but I'm wary of putting too much stock on the combine.
Granted, he seems talented indeed, plus he's young for a junior (21) and long, and if he's available @20 seems like a really good pick, or even trade up a bit from 20... but using no. 9 on him seems too much for me.

[Dejounte]

Even if you ignore the combine, he elevated that Santa Clara team which no one has done since Steve Nash. This is how amateurs miss out on great talent. I’m all in, baby.

[duncan2150]

I still can’t see how Jalen Duren is so high, especially for us. Can’t shoot. Has no post moves. Not a multipositional defender. He’s great at a few things, things within five feet of the basket, but it’s not where the league has trended over the last ten years. His comps were all drafted at around 18 or lower. For pick #20, sure, absolutely. I value him about the same as Ochai Agbaji.

You can't say he can't shoot, he showed some nice things in that regard. Still a work in progress but he made 10 of his 19 shots from the elbow for example. He has a high ceilling imo and he can defend the perimeter.

Every team needs someone like that, a true guy in the paint.

Is he worth a top 10 pick ? yes absolutely for me. Is he the player spurs needs ? not necesseraly.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tari-eason--jeremy-sochan--kawhi-leonard

Man, when you look at player comparisons including Tari Eason, his production per 36 is eye-popping. It's hard not to be super-intrigued by him, but then those questions about whether he actually knows how to play within a system or will be able to cut down on those turnovers and fouls.

(Not accounting for age differences.)

[duncan2150]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tari-eason--jeremy-sochan--kawhi-leonard

Man, when you look at player comparisons including Tari Eason, his production per 36 is eye-popping. It's hard not to be super-intrigued by him, but then those questions about whether he actually knows how to play within a system or will be able to cut down on those turnovers and fouls.

(Not accounting for age differences.)

My real question about Eason is his ballhandling. Looks a little bit weird, his shot can be fixed imo and the physical tools are really good.

[Mr. Body]

My real question about Eason is his ballhandling. Looks a little bit weird, his shot can be fixed imo and the physical tools are really good.

Oh, I have more questions than ballhandling. I'm fascinated by him, but he's like that freak of nature who just freakin dominates at your Y games, just kills people, but could never win a lot in organized ball because he's always fouling out and coughing the ball up.

[Ariel]

Even if you ignore the combine, he elevated that Santa Clara team which no one has done since Steve Nash. This is how amateurs miss out on great talent. I’m all in, baby.
Haven't seen him in actual games, so I'm just going with that I'm most confident. But may very well be.

[R. DeMurre]

Read THIS (https://www.thestepien.com/2021/12/29/a-taxonomy-of-rim-protectors/) and you'll see why people are high on Duren. You are massively under rating his defense.


That's a good read and a nice approach to looking at defense, but I had to laugh a little at the sentence on Mark Williams: "Mark Williams is a quick leaper with pretty good length... "

(Article was written 5 months ago)

[BatManu20]

1529844419876122624

[Mr. Body]

1529844419876122624

Jalen Williams, totally a Knicks pick. A rugged guard who can dig in and do multiple things, muscular and tough, be a crowd pleaser, who won't wind up winning that many games for them.

[The Truth #6]

You can't say he can't shoot, he showed some nice things in that regard. Still a work in progress but he made 10 of his 19 shots from the elbow for example. He has a high ceilling imo and he can defend the perimeter.

Every team needs someone like that, a true guy in the paint.



Is he worth a top 10 pick ? yes absolutely for me. Is he the player spurs needs ? not necesseraly.

It’s not simply me saying he can’t shoot, it’s every analysis I read about him.

Here’s another I just found: https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/5/17/23045792/nba-draft-jalen-duren-detroit-pistons-watching-every-shot-assist-turnover-steal-and-rebound

So the issue is how much one likes what he already does while hoping he becomes more self sufficient on offense outside of put backs and alley oops.

[objective]

Oh, I have more questions than ballhandling. I'm fascinated by him, but he's like that freak of nature who just freakin dominates at your Y games, just kills people, but could never win a lot in organized ball because he's always fouling out and coughing the ball up.

Yeah, I was pretty intrigued by him in my early looks, but the more I've seen and had time to think, he might be less Kawhi and more KJ McDaniels, who I loved in his draft over Kyle Anderson. After a better rookie season it turned out that KJ was too wild and too much of a headache and not serious enough about the game it seemed. Super productive, big time athlete, huge steals and blocks numbers in college, 21 years old for the draft ...

Not saying that Eason has a bad personality or work ethic, just seems a concerning to me the program changes with the high fouls, maybe he's not as promising as the numbers look

[duncan2150]

It’s not simply me saying he can’t shoot, it’s every analysis I read about him.

Here’s another I just found: https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/5/17/23045792/nba-draft-jalen-duren-detroit-pistons-watching-every-shot-assist-turnover-steal-and-rebound

So the issue is how much one likes what he already does while hoping he becomes more self sufficient on offense outside of put backs and alley oops.

But what about the numbers ? what i saw not just read, is that he can shoot. Not saying he's comfortable but saying he can't is going against numbers.

https://cbbanalytics.com/tools/shot-charts ( player shot charts- shot zones)

Agreed with your last sentence tough.

[The Truth #6]

The numbers I read are 17/52 on shots outside the paint. Not trying to argue or root against the guy, but to me the shooting is a question mark, with the caveat that the form looks somewhat decent but with low reps.

[BackHome]

The kid is an elite defender though he has upside and decent offensive game it’s the turn over and fouls that make people scratch there head. This kid has every person perplexed on trying to figure out if he is going to be a stud or a dud and where he fits in the draft he is all over the mocks.

[PhantomDashCam]

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Are they bluffing ala Boston did with Fultz? Hard to say.

Draft predictions as of 27/5. No doubt will have missed some guys but it is what it is:

1. Chet
2. Jabari
3. Paolo
4. Ivey
5. Mathurin
6. Murray
7. Sharpe (Possible Trade)
8. Daniels
9. Jalen W
10. Johnny Davis
11. Jalen Duren
12. Jeremy Sochan
13. AJ Griffin (if medically cleared)
14. Ochai Agbaji
15. Mark Williams
16. EJ Liddell
17. Jaden Hardy
18. Kendall Brown
19. Ousmane Dieng
20. Gabe Procida
21. Tari Eason
22. Malaki Branham
23. Patrick Baldwin
24. Bryce McGowens
25. Josh Minott
26. Marjon Beauchamp
27. Blake Wesley
28. Nikola Jovic
29. Jake Laravia
30. Caleb Houston

[Ignazzz]

Sharpe?

[PhantomDashCam]

Sharpe?

Good catch. Moved him back into #7. Griffin drops a few slots, as does Blake Wesley. Ty Ty falls to second round now…

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/projectspurs/status/1531011443700678657

[Degoat]

Saw Kendall Browns pro day on Twitter, his jumper was looking pretty smooth tbh

[PhantomDashCam]

Be very interesting if Josh Minott is at that same workout...

[Dejounte]

2022 NBA Player comps


Chet - Porzingis with better defense
Jabari - Rudy Gay, JJJ
Banchero - old LeBron, Blake Griffin
Jaden Ivey - Dwyane Wade
Sharpe - Lesser Bradley Beal
KMurray - Carlos Boozer
AJ Griffin - DeMarre Carroll
Dyson Daniels - Brandon Roy, Tyrese Haliburton
Bennedict Mathurin - Zach Lavine, Andrew Wiggins
Jeremy Sochan - Draymond Green
Jalen Duren - Javale McGee
Johnny Davis - Jordan Crawford on offense, Divincenzo on defense
Mark Williams - Rudy Gobert
Ousmane Dieng - Poor man’s Batum, Poor man’s Ginobili
Tari Eason - Poor man’s Kawhi, Trevor Ariza
Malaki Branham - Poor man’s Paul George/ Jimmy Butler
Ochai Agbaji - Eric Gordon
Kendall Brown - Otto Porter Jr
Nikola Jovic - Deni Avdija
MarJon Beauchamp - Danny Green, Bruce Bowen, Trevor Ariza, Paul George (this guy is a tough read)
PBJ - Cam Johnson
EJ Liddell - Grant Williams with better shotblocking
Blake Wesley - Dwyane Wade, Donavon Mitchell
Jake LaRavia - Shawn Marion
Jalen Williams - Doncic, DeMar
Minott - Jaxson Hayes, pre-injury Zach Collins


**Disclaimer #1: I didn’t spend equal time watching each of these guys. Some I watched a lot more than others
Disclaimer #2: It’s a lot easier to think of good players than bad ones. Some players I could have made a better comp for if I could recall worse players.
Disclaimer #3: I do NOT think every player on the list will turn out to be the comp I listed for them. For some, I only think their style of play reminds me of them.

[tonight...you]

2022 NBA Player comps


Chet - Porzingis with better defense
Jabari - Rudy Gay, JJJ
Banchero - old LeBron, Blake Griffin
Jaden Ivey - Dwyane Wade
Sharpe - Lesser Bradley Beal
KMurray - Carlos Boozer
AJ Griffin - DeMarre Carroll
Dyson Daniels - Brandon Roy, Tyrese Haliburton
Bennedict Mathurin - Zach Lavine, Andrew Wiggins
Jeremy Sochan - Draymond Green
Jalen Duren - Javale McGee
Johnny Davis - Jordan Crawford on offense, Divincenzo on defense
Mark Williams - Rudy Gobert
Ousmane Dieng - Poor man’s Batum, Poor man’s Ginobili
Tari Eason - Poor man’s Kawhi, Trevor Ariza
Malaki Branham - Poor man’s Paul George/ Jimmy Butler
Ochai Agbaji - Eric Gordon
Kendall Brown - Otto Porter Jr
Nikola Jovic - Deni Avdija
MarJon Beauchamp - Danny Green, Bruce Bowen, Trevor Ariza, Paul George (this guy is a tough read)
PBJ - Cam Johnson
EJ Liddell - Grant Williams with better shotblocking
Blake Wesley - Dwyane Wade, Donavon Mitchell
Jake LaRavia - Shawn Marion
Jalen Williams - Doncic, DeMar
Minott - Jaxson Hayes, pre-injury Zach Collins


**Disclaimer #1: I didn’t spend equal time watching each of these guys. Some I watched a lot more than others
Disclaimer #2: It’s a lot easier to think of good players than bad ones. Some players I could have made a better comp for if I could recall worse players.
Disclaimer #3: I do NOT think every player on the list will turn out to be the comp I listed for them. For some, I only think their style of play reminds me of them.


Totally appreciate the effort.
No need to argue the details.
This was a great post.

Maybe you're a sage, maybe you're bonkers, maybe you're like everyone else: a guy with eyes/ears and an opinion to go with what you've observed.

You are a joy to this board. Of that I am sure.

[Degoat]

In two years who will be the best among these 3? Sochan, Dieng, and Eason. I kinda think it could be Dieng tbh

[exstatic]

In two years who will be the best among these 3? Sochan, Dieng, and Eason. I kinda think it could be Dieng tbh

Dieng
Sochan
Eason

[mo7888]

In two years who will be the best among these 3? Sochan, Dieng, and Eason. I kinda think it could be Dieng tbh

Dieng is my bet...

Eason probably has a slightly higher ceiling than Sochan but I don't think it's sufficiently higher to take him over Sochan and his higher floor...

[R. DeMurre]

2022 NBA Player comps


Chet - Porzingis with better defense
Jabari - Rudy Gay, JJJ
Banchero - old LeBron, Blake Griffin
Jaden Ivey - Dwyane Wade
Sharpe - Lesser Bradley Beal
KMurray - Carlos Boozer
AJ Griffin - DeMarre Carroll
Dyson Daniels - Brandon Roy, Tyrese Haliburton
Bennedict Mathurin - Zach Lavine, Andrew Wiggins
Jeremy Sochan - Draymond Green
Jalen Duren - Javale McGee
Johnny Davis - Jordan Crawford on offense, Divincenzo on defense
Mark Williams - Rudy Gobert
Ousmane Dieng - Poor man’s Batum, Poor man’s Ginobili
Tari Eason - Poor man’s Kawhi, Trevor Ariza
Malaki Branham - Poor man’s Paul George/ Jimmy Butler
Ochai Agbaji - Eric Gordon
Kendall Brown - Otto Porter Jr
Nikola Jovic - Deni Avdija
MarJon Beauchamp - Danny Green, Bruce Bowen, Trevor Ariza, Paul George (this guy is a tough read)
PBJ - Cam Johnson
EJ Liddell - Grant Williams with better shotblocking
Blake Wesley - Dwyane Wade, Donavon Mitchell
Jake LaRavia - Shawn Marion
Jalen Williams - Doncic, DeMar
Minott - Jaxson Hayes, pre-injury Zach Collins


**Disclaimer #1: I didn’t spend equal time watching each of these guys. Some I watched a lot more than others
Disclaimer #2: It’s a lot easier to think of good players than bad ones. Some players I could have made a better comp for if I could recall worse players.
Disclaimer #3: I do NOT think every player on the list will turn out to be the comp I listed for them. For some, I only think their style of play reminds me of them.



The Sochan/Draymond comp will probably set some people off, but I think it's a good one.

[scott]

2022 NBA Player comps


Chet - Porzingis with better defense
Jabari - Rudy Gay, JJJ
Banchero - old LeBron, Blake Griffin
Jaden Ivey - Dwyane Wade
Sharpe - Lesser Bradley Beal
KMurray - Carlos Boozer
AJ Griffin - DeMarre Carroll
Dyson Daniels - Brandon Roy, Tyrese Haliburton
Bennedict Mathurin - Zach Lavine, Andrew Wiggins
Jeremy Sochan - Draymond Green
Jalen Duren - Javale McGee
Johnny Davis - Jordan Crawford on offense, Divincenzo on defense
Mark Williams - Rudy Gobert
Ousmane Dieng - Poor man’s Batum, Poor man’s Ginobili
Tari Eason - Poor man’s Kawhi, Trevor Ariza
Malaki Branham - Poor man’s Paul George/ Jimmy Butler
Ochai Agbaji - Eric Gordon
Kendall Brown - Otto Porter Jr
Nikola Jovic - Deni Avdija
MarJon Beauchamp - Danny Green, Bruce Bowen, Trevor Ariza, Paul George (this guy is a tough read)
PBJ - Cam Johnson
EJ Liddell - Grant Williams with better shotblocking
Blake Wesley - Dwyane Wade, Donavon Mitchell
Jake LaRavia - Shawn Marion
Jalen Williams - Doncic, DeMar
Minott - Jaxson Hayes, pre-injury Zach Collins


**Disclaimer #1: I didn’t spend equal time watching each of these guys. Some I watched a lot more than others
Disclaimer #2: It’s a lot easier to think of good players than bad ones. Some players I could have made a better comp for if I could recall worse players.
Disclaimer #3: I do NOT think every player on the list will turn out to be the comp I listed for them. For some, I only think their style of play reminds me of them.



Of the players discussed in our ranges, these comps stand out as the most exciting to me. Probably the reason we've been largely talking about these guys. The Wesley comp has me wanting to dig deeper into him.

Fun post, thanks for putting these thoughts together.

[John B]

F@ck that. Spurs can never be wrong :rollin:rollin

[Ariel]

The Wesley comp has me wanting to dig deeper into him.

Raw but athletic combo guard with high scoring potential:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5UsVC3YCuc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0r8NcU2nNQ

I think there's a good chance he could fill Lonnie's role for cheaper and with higher potential.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DE0AjB9lc8
Very interesting prospect, I'm hoping we land him with one of the picks in the 20s... might go earlier
Check those out. Very intriguing prospect. He needs to play smarter and more efficient, be more selective and improve as a shooter, but he's very young and he's got all the raw tools. If we're swinging for the fences at 20, he's definitely one of the better options (along with Jalen Williams and Jaden Hardy, probably).

[exstatic]

F@ck that. Spurs can never be wrong :rollin:rollin

Sure they can. Sammich was a mistake. Lonnie, too.

What they’re not wrong on is the approach: swing for the HR.

[Marco]

Sochan reminds me of Rodman, on defense.

[offset formation]

2022 NBA Player comps


Chet - Porzingis with better defense
Jabari - Rudy Gay, JJJ
Banchero - old LeBron, Blake Griffin
Jaden Ivey - Dwyane Wade
Sharpe - Lesser Bradley Beal
KMurray - Carlos Boozer
AJ Griffin - DeMarre Carroll
Dyson Daniels - Brandon Roy, Tyrese Haliburton
Bennedict Mathurin - Zach Lavine, Andrew Wiggins
Jeremy Sochan - Draymond Green
Jalen Duren - Javale McGee
Johnny Davis - Jordan Crawford on offense, Divincenzo on defense
Mark Williams - Rudy Gobert
Ousmane Dieng - Poor man’s Batum, Poor man’s Ginobili
Tari Eason - Poor man’s Kawhi, Trevor Ariza
Malaki Branham - Poor man’s Paul George/ Jimmy Butler
Ochai Agbaji - Eric Gordon
Kendall Brown - Otto Porter Jr
Nikola Jovic - Deni Avdija
MarJon Beauchamp - Danny Green, Bruce Bowen, Trevor Ariza, Paul George (this guy is a tough read)
PBJ - Cam Johnson
EJ Liddell - Grant Williams with better shotblocking
Blake Wesley - Dwyane Wade, Donavon Mitchell
Jake LaRavia - Shawn Marion
Jalen Williams - Doncic, DeMar
Minott - Jaxson Hayes, pre-injury Zach Collins


**Disclaimer #1: I didn’t spend equal time watching each of these guys. Some I watched a lot more than others
Disclaimer #2: It’s a lot easier to think of good players than bad ones. Some players I could have made a better comp for if I could recall worse players.
Disclaimer #3: I do NOT think every player on the list will turn out to be the comp I listed for them. For some, I only think their style of play reminds me of them.



Best fucking draft class in NBA history right there. :flypig:flypig:flypig

[offset formation]

Sure they can. Sammich was a mistake. Lonnie, too.

What they’re not wrong on is the approach: swing for the HR.

I'd rather swing for a homerun than a visit to the HR department. Just me. :yield

[rascal]

Draymond Green is more athletic than Sochan.

[Dejounte]

Minott traveled with Kendall Brown to Atlanta for a workout. Pretty sure theyll be together in SA too PhantomDashCam

[JPB]

Best fucking draft class in NBA history right there. :flypig:flypig:flypig

Instead of" comparison", I'd rather go with "poor man's".

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1531398304566808576

[Dejounte]

My latest big board

Tier 1 (Best chance to reach stardom… not saying they will)
Jaden Ivey
Paolo Banchero
Chet


Tier 2 (Flashes of special talent)
Jalen Williams
Jabari Smith
Blake Wesley
Bennedict Mathurin


Tier 3 (Easier to expect good production off the bat. Some question marks about reaching stardom, but there’s a chance)
Keegan Murray
Dyson Daniels
Shaedon Sharpe
Tari Eason


Tier 4 (Blue collar prospects who can become elite role players, outside chance to become something more)
Jeremy Sochan
Josh Minott
Marjon Beauchamp
Gabriele Procida
Ousmane Dieng
Johnny Davis
Mark Williams
Malaki Branham


Tier 5 (Boring picks where you kind of know what you’re gonna get. Not the worst picks in the world. But maybe these picks are what you need sometimes)
EJ Liddell
Jake Laravia
Ochai Agbaji
Jalen Duren
Kendall Brown


Tier 6 (Would love to have any of these guys prove me wrong, especially PBJ. There’s talent there, but they have a lot to prove to make me have faith again)
AJ Griffin
Nikola Jovic
PBJ
Leonard Miller

[Dejounte]

Would be thrilled to draft with the 9th pick: Tier 2

Would be happy to draft with the 9th pick: Tier 3

Would be happy to draft with either 20th or 25th pick: Tier 4

Would be satisfied to draft with 25th pick: Tier 5

Would be alright to draft with the second round pick: Tier 6

[RC_Drunkford]

I didn't know Shannon Sharpe went from Undisputed to declaring for the NBA Draft. He's a little too old :lol

[Dejounte]

I didn't know Shannon Sharpe went from Undisputed to declaring for the NBA Draft. He's a little too old :lol

Sat here for 30 minutes asking, “what the fuck is he talking about?”

i fixed it :lmao

[R. DeMurre]

Draymond Green is more athletic than Sochan.


I dunno about this. Green finished 48th out of 55 players in standing vertical leap, and in the bottom half of his draft class in sprint speed. His agility time was slower than Andre Drummond's.

The main reason he dropped to the 2nd round was the perception/fear that he was too unathletic.

[rascal]

I dunno about this. Green finished 48th out of 55 players in standing vertical leap, and in the bottom half of his draft class in sprint speed. His agility time was slower than Andre Drummond's.

The main reason he dropped to the 2nd round was the perception/fear that he was too unathletic.


By what I see in how they move, Green looks quicker, more athletic than Sochan even though Green didn't rank high in his class.

Not saying Green is the most athletic but looks better than Sochan who doesn't have good vertical lift athleticism.

[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

I have no idea how you can say Sochan isn't athletic. Just look at the first segment, starting at :20 here. He's very quick and covers space very well for a player his size. It's okay not to like him or want him picked, but he's very athletic.

[Mr. Body]

1530589059692670977

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

I have this crazy feeling Griffin is going to go high. Griffin has this really long neck, meaning he won't play as tall as he actually is.

[BatManu20]

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[rascal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

I have no idea how you can say Sochan isn't athletic. Just look at the first segment, starting at :20 here. He's very quick and covers space very well for a player his size. It's okay not to like him or want him picked, but he's very athletic.

Every NBA player is athletic But as compared with others at his position Sochan lacks athleticism. It even lists a need of improvement is lacks explosiveness and vertical lift.

He's projected top ten so he isn't a stiff but offensively is his area of needed improvement.
I want more of an athlete and go to scorer at 9 from this draft and if the spurs can't get one at 9 then work a deal to move up a couple of spots to get one.

But I expect Sochan will be the pick for the Spurs.

[Ariel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

I have no idea how you can say Sochan isn't athletic. Just look at the first segment, starting at :20 here. He's very quick and covers space very well for a player his size. It's okay not to like him or want him picked, but he's very athletic.
Because people equate "athletic" with "jumps high"... and there's much more to athleticism than that. Sochan doesn't play above the rim, but he's got no problem staying in front of his man, even smaller guards, is extremely active, reacts quickly, reads the play well and is always in the right place at the right time... when you watch his team, he jumps at you instantly and not because of his hair color, but because he's always doing something productive, wreaking havoc on the opposition, making things happen. He's the kind of guy that does the dirty work, leads his teammates, gets on your nerves... the kind you LOVE on your team but HATE on your rival. Honestly I don't see how he can not be AT THE VERY LEAST a very productive player rotation player for 15 years, unless his shot regresses in a Markelle Fultz kind of fashion. If it improves to league average, watch out, this guy is the kind every winning team needs. I'd love him on the Spurs.

[Ariel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExwbW0eXPs

I have this crazy feeling Griffin is going to go high. Griffin has this really long neck, meaning he won't play as tall as he actually is.
On top of that he's got this weird jump shot where he lifts from the floor about as much as my late grannie. His 3 pt shot is dead accurate, though, and I'm counting on someone fixating on him because of that. Just hope it's not the Spurs.

[rascal]

The Spurs are going to end up with an entire team of beta, 2nd rate role player offensive players if they go Sochan at 9, with no alpha scorer on the team.

You can't win with that type of team.

[Ariel]

The Spurs are going to end up with an entire team of beta, 2nd rate role player offensive players if they go Sochan at 9, with no alpha scorer on the team.

You can't win with that type of team.
If Sochan pans out, he's not a "beta role player". It's much easier to get a volume 20 PPG scorer than a player of his size, versatility and BBIQ

[rascal]

Because people equate "athletic" with "jumps high"... and there's much more to athleticism than that. Sochan doesn't play above the rim, but he's got no problem staying in front of his man, even smaller guards, is extremely active, reacts quickly, reads the play well and is always in the right play at the right time... when you watch his team, he jumps at you instantly and not because of his hair color, but because he's always doing something productive, wreaking havoc on the opposition, making things happen. He's the kind of guy that does the dirty work, leads his teammates, gets on your nerves... the kind you LOVE on your team but HATE on your rival. Honestly I don't see how he can not be AT THE VERY LEAST a very productive player rotation player for 15 years, unless his shot regresses in a Markelle Fultz kind of fashion. If it improves to league average, watch out, this guy is the kind every winning team needs. I'd love him on the Spurs.

I'm probably the only one on here who doesn't want Sochan at 9.

[rascal]

If Sochan pans out, he's not a "beta role player". It's much easier to get a volume 20 PPG scorer than a player of his size, versatility and BBIQ

If that were true than Sochan should be getting drafted ahead of the top offensive players like Mathurin and Murray in this draft.

The top potential offensive players are the ones getting picked high.

[Ariel]

I'm probably the only one on here who doesn't want Sochan at 9.
I don't know about that... but I will concede that you are consistent :lol

[Mr. Body]

Every NBA player is athletic But as compared with others at his position Sochan lacks athleticism. It even lists a need of improvement is lacks explosiveness and vertical lift.

He's projected top ten so he isn't a stiff but offensively is his area of needed improvement.
I want more of an athlete and go to scorer at 9 from this draft and if the spurs can't get one at 9 then work a deal to move up a couple of spots to get one.

But I expect Sochan will be the pick for the Spurs.

You don't have the foggiest idea what athleticism is.

[Mr. Body]

Because people equate "athletic" with "jumps high"... and there's much more to athleticism than that. Sochan doesn't play above the rim, but he's got no problem staying in front of his man, even smaller guards, is extremely active, reacts quickly, reads the play well and is always in the right place at the right time... when you watch his team, he jumps at you instantly and not because of his hair color, but because he's always doing something productive, wreaking havoc on the opposition, making things happen. He's the kind of guy that does the dirty work, leads his teammates, gets on your nerves... the kind you LOVE on your team but HATE on your rival. Honestly I don't see how he can not be AT THE VERY LEAST a very productive player rotation player for 15 years, unless his shot regresses in a Markelle Fultz kind of fashion. If it improves to league average, watch out, this guy is the kind every winning team needs. I'd love him on the Spurs.

Yeah, he's obviously athletic, there's no question. He's also a big, strong guy who knows how to occupy space on defense. Some of those switches, too, are instant. He's making switches on instinct and changing types of individual defense according to who he's covering in a flash. It's super impressive. There are possessions where eats guards up, too. Needs more seasoning and discipline, to be sure.

[Degoat]

Always this Sochan talk, no chance spurs draft a guy with pink hair lol

[rascal]

If Sochan pans out, he's not a "beta role player". It's much easier to get a volume 20 PPG scorer than a player of his size, versatility and BBIQ

You'll get your wish with Sochan picked at 9.

[rascal]

You don't have the foggiest idea what athleticism is.

I can say the same thing about you. You have no aptitude visually.

[rascal]

Because people equate "athletic" with "jumps high"... and there's much more to athleticism than that. Sochan doesn't play above the rim, but he's got no problem staying in front of his man, even smaller guards, is extremely active, reacts quickly, reads the play well and is always in the right place at the right time... when you watch his team, he jumps at you instantly and not because of his hair color, but because he's always doing something productive, wreaking havoc on the opposition, making things happen. He's the kind of guy that does the dirty work, leads his teammates, gets on your nerves... the kind you LOVE on your team but HATE on your rival. Honestly I don't see how he can not be AT THE VERY LEAST a very productive player rotation player for 15 years, unless his shot regresses in a Markelle Fultz kind of fashion. If it improves to league average, watch out, this guy is the kind every winning team needs. I'd love him on the Spurs.

The Spurs have a team full of below the rim players.

Let's not add another.

[Ariel]

You'll get your wish with Sochan picked at 9.
In all honesty when I started focusing on him, he was projected to go in the 20s, and we were projected to pick 7 or 8... I was hoping we'd luck into the lottery AND ALSO pick him with a late first rounder. But the way events unfolded, I began to accept we were not likely to pick top 4 and he would be long gone by the Toronto pick, so given this Spurs' roster makeup, I think Sochan makes A LOT of sense. If we could get Ivey or Banchero, yes, go for the star player. Buf if not... I'm not convinced any other player is a better long term prospect for the Spurs than he is. If we land Sochan AND Jalen Williams AND/OR Blake Wesley... man that would be sick.

[rascal]

Always this Sochan talk, no chance spurs draft a guy with pink hair lol

Maybe his hair will be green on draft day.

What is he a Rodman wannabe.

[rascal]

In all honesty when I started focusing on him, he was projected to go in the 20s, and we were projected to pick 7 or 8... I was hoping we'd luck into the lottery AND ALSO pick him with a late first rounder. But the way events unfolded, I began to accept we were not likely to pick top 4 and he would be long gone by the Toronto pick, so given this Spurs' roster makeup, I think Sochan makes A LOT of sense. If we could get Ivey or Banchero, yes, go for the star player. Buf if not... I'm not convinced any other player is a better long term prospect for the Spurs than he is. If we land Sochan AND Jalen Williams AND/OR Blake Wesley... man that would be sick.

It doesn't make a lot of sense with the current makeup of the team.

You going to give the ball to Sochan when you need a big shot at the end of the game? The Spurs need to address that need on the roster during this draft and using that 9 pick to move up is the best move or if they get lucky and someone unexpectedly falls like Shapre, Mathurin or Murray or even Johnny Davis the Spurs should draft one of those guys before Sochan. You can get defense and positional need at 20 and 25.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1531398304566808576

This guy has not been on my radar at all. But man, I’m intrigued. His passing skills are on another level. Haven’t been this impressed by passing since Ricky Rubio. This guy might shoot up my board.

[Dejounte]

Holy fuck. This Alondes guy is FUN to watch. Playground baller. Does wacky ass shit with the ball.

[benefactor]

:lol going back and forth with rascal

You guys show up here yesterday or something?

[tonight...you]

I'm probably the only one on here who doesn't want Sochan at 9.
I just think you have tunnel vision.

[Dejounte]

IMO, drafting Alondes would:

-signal they’re not content with Tre’s production
-be in the same line of their past recent selections of guys who have high processing speeds: Vassell, Primo
-bring that nostalgia back to the days we had an exciting passer (Ginobili). Would make Spurs games must-watch TV tbh

obviously havent done a deep dive and hes bound to have really bad weaknesses elsewhere but the high level passing skill almost makes it easy to overlook everything else and hopefully he develops just good enough in other areas

[mystargtr34]

:lol going back and forth with rascal

You guys show up here yesterday or something?

Where the hell you been mate. Blast from the past.

[Mnky]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1531398304566808576

This guy's build reminds me of a small Carmelo Anthony, in his early years. He's sneaky explosive. His explosiveness doesn't match his body, it's odd at times and definitely catches defenders sleeping. His passing is intriguing. For a pass first group like the spurs, they don't have any above average passers. Someone like a Manu guiding the flow would do wonders for all these athletics kids running around. They sorely need an elite passer to open up their play making. This guy would be fun to plug in and see run with the young guys.

From what I seen, his shooting needs a bit of work though and that would complicate things. He's already 23, but shows he has plenty to add to his game still. He was a one hit wonder after transferring out.

Definitely intriguing combo guard. Very similar to what we have but until one becomes a superstar, there's no reason to pass on potential just because you got someone else. One of those late first might be in play.

[Russ]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1531398304566808576

Alondes looks like the prototypical Spurs project -- a nice amount of promise and a broken jump shot.

[benefactor]

Where the hell you been mate. Blast from the past.
Shit bro, more than one post can convey:lol Been a wild seven years or so for me.

I'm still around I just lurk more now. I go to the political forum dungeon and watch the shit show there a few times a week. Try to keep up with the Spurs as much as I can but I work a lot now.

[Degoat]

IMO, drafting Alondes would:

-signal they’re not content with Tre’s production
-be in the same line of their past recent selections of guys who have high processing speeds: Vassell, Primo
-bring that nostalgia back to the days we had an exciting passer (Ginobili). Would make Spurs games must-watch TV tbh

obviously havent done a deep dive and hes bound to have really bad weaknesses elsewhere but the high level passing skill almost makes it easy to overlook everything else and hopefully he develops just good enough in other areas

Ive been thinking for weeks that the spurs would use one of their picks on a PG/Combo guard. They love themselves some guards, I’m not against it tbh losing DWhite put a lot okay making pressure on DJ

[Degoat]

Two guys I haven’t seen or heard a peep about in the last few weeks, Jean Montero and Ismael Kamagate

[JPB]

Shit bro, more than one post can convey:lol Been a wild seven years or so for me.

I'm still around I just lurk more now. I go to the political forum dungeon and watch the shit show there a few times a week. Try to keep up with the Spurs as much as I can but I work a lot now.

You mean ST asylum?

[Uriel]

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He’s a tremendous scorer. Obviously, there’s been a lot of talk about his stock dropping in the days leading up to the draft, but I’m not sure that ought be the case.

[Dejounte]

Someone who struggles to get past his man with the ball and hangs out at the 3 pt line most of the time isn’t a “tremendous scorer”. AJ is a shooter, not a scorer.

[Mr. Body]

The great Leonard Miller has pulled out of the draft.

[Dejounte]

The great Leonard Miller has pulled out of the draft.

As expected after doing my deep dive on him and throwing him into my lowest tier (tier 6)

i called it, mothafuckas!

[exstatic]

Love the self-patting in the back for made-up victories in your head :lmao who the fuck does that?


As expected after doing my deep dive on him and throwing him into my lowest tier (tier 6)

i called it, mothafuckas!

[Dejounte]

Hey Siri, how do you know when you’re living rent free in someone’s head? :lmao

[CGD]

He’s a tremendous scorer. Obviously, there’s been a lot of talk about his stock dropping in the days leading up to the draft, but I’m not sure that ought be the case.

This rollercoaster has been funny. Before I went down this draft rabbit hole, this was the guy I wanted and assumed he be gone by our pick. Now he might be there after all.

[CGD]

Lol. That first post has the potential to be the post that keeps on giving.