Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[BatManu20]

I too think AJ Griffin is going to slip a bit in the draft. Could very well be there in the 8-10 range where we will likely be selecting. Not super high on him as a prospect but Spurs would love his character & pedigree so likely a realistic target for us.

[BatManu20]

I think Sochan is getting overhyped right now, but no brainer if he’s available with the TOR pick. Also liked what I saw from Branham from OSU and Moore from Duke.

He definitely is a bit but with his defense and versatility at only 18 years old, it’s easy to see why he’s moving up draft boards. His 3-pt % was terrible this year (29%) but if he ever figures out his jumper, which is very possible since it’s mechanically sound, he’s going to be a damn good role player at the next level imo. I’d rather take a swing on someone with more star-potential though.

[John B]

I would normally like AJ Griffin, but the glaring hole is in the PF/C position. Unless a player is a generational talent and would move the needle then I would pick the BAP. But another 6’6”?

[Mr. Body]

It's just play at this point, but I'd take Mathurin above Griffin if both are available. Maybe I'm too impressed by that performance, but he has shades of Kobe to him. Not the same player, of course, but he's a baller with a clutch gene.

[CGD]

I would normally like AJ Griffin, but the glaring hole is in the PF/C position. Unless a player is a generational talent and would move the needle then I would pick the BAP. But another 6’6”?

Unfortunately we have many holes, including SF too. I’d default to best available with preference for versatile wings, the most coveted position in the game right now.

[John B]

Unfortunately we have many holes, including SF too. I’d default to best available with preference for versatile wings, the most coveted position in the game right now.

I thought the most coveted position is the modern bigs? Giannis, AD, KD, LeBron, even Jokic who can hit from outside.

[FutureMan]

It's just play at this point, but I'd take Mathurin above Griffin if both are available. Maybe I'm too impressed by that performance, but he has shades of Kobe to him. Not the same player, of course, but he's a baller with a clutch gene.

Ive been high on Mathurin for a while now. If the Spurs skip over him it will be like Haliburton all over again.

[CGD]

I thought the most coveted position is the modern bigs? Giannis, AD, KD, LeBron, even Jokic who can hit from outside.

I think it’s still SF, like James and Durant (btw), as well as Leonard, PG13, Butler, Tatum, Brown, etc.

(Also, is AD that coveted these days?)

[R. DeMurre]

I'm a little surprised that Oscar Tshiebwe isn't getting more attention. Some mocks don't have him anywhere, not even late second round. He just had the best rebounding season in college basketball in like 40 years. Some articles mention Kenneth Faried as a comp, but I don't think it's a good comparison. All of Tshiebwe's advanced stats are miles beyond Faried's, and against tougher competition. Rebounding usually translates from the NCAA to the NBA better than most skills, and I can see a scenario where Tshiebwe is on the court with four shooters and his job is to give them all lots of second chance opportunities.

If he's still around when the Spurs pick in the mid 2nd round, I think it'd be crazy not to take a serious look at him. He's 6'8" with a 7'4" wingspan and the highest of high motors, but doesn't shot threes at all. I remember the year Brandon Clarke came out and there were lots of concerns about his mediocre wingspan and standing reach, but he's had a good run as a role player in Memphis and is still in the top 30 or so in the league in block %. Sometimes guys just know how to impact the game in spite of other traditional shortcomings. If Tshiebwe has even the potential to be a 20 mpg Bam Adebayo-lite or Robert Williams lll type of guy, he'd be a steal.

[John B]

I think it’s still SF, like James and Durant (btw), as well as Leonard, PG13, Butler, Tatum, Brown, etc.

(Also, is AD that coveted these days?)

James and Durant are no 6’6”. None of those you mentioned are 6’6” (except Brown). And yes AD would be highly coveted if not injured.

[Mr. Body]

I'm a little surprised that Oscar Tshiebwe isn't getting more attention. Some mocks don't have him anywhere, not even late second round. He just had the best rebounding season in college basketball in like 40 years. Some articles mention Kenneth Faried as a comp, but I don't think it's a good comparison. All of Tshiebwe's advanced stats are miles beyond Faried's, and against tougher competition. Rebounding usually translates from the NCAA to the NBA better than most skills, and I can see a scenario where Tshiebwe is on the court with four shooters and his job is to give them all lots of second chance opportunities.

If he's still around when the Spurs pick in the mid 2nd round, I think it'd be crazy not to take a serious look at him. He's 6'8" with a 7'4" wingspan and the highest of high motors, but doesn't shot threes at all. I remember the year Brandon Clarke came out and there were lots of concerns about his mediocre wingspan and standing reach, but he's had a good run as a role player in Memphis and is still in the top 30 or so in the league in block %. Sometimes guys just know how to impact the game in spite of other traditional shortcomings. If Tshiebwe has even the potential to be a 20 mpg Bam Adebayo-lite or Robert Williams lll type of guy, he'd be a steal.

I feel like someone's going to tab him in the 2nd, the way Detroit grabbed Luka Garza last year. I don't know if Tshiebwe can't guard the perimeter. He does block at least one shot a game, at least in college.

Another player who's getting no mock draft shine is Trayce Jackson-Davis. He hasn't developed a jump shot, which isn't good, but he's rangy and a good athlete. He's a great weakside defender. If he develops a shot, he's a good role-player in this league. If not, he's still potentially a bench hustle guy. Better than a Drew Eubanks definitely.

[rjv]

mathurin and ivey showed a lot of balls in their last games and some real talent as well but ivey will be gone if the spurs pick where the odds indicate they would. i'm seeing duren on a lot of spurs mock boards. he certainly wouldn't space the floor for us but he would help shore up the frontcourt defense and provide a much needed lob option. wish i could make it to the games at the AT&T Center so that i could watch mathurin up close.

[scott]

It's just play at this point, but I'd take Mathurin above Griffin if both are available. Maybe I'm too impressed by that performance, but he has shades of Kobe to him. Not the same player, of course, but he's a baller with a clutch gene.

This. I'm definitely falling victim to recency bias, but Mathurin impressed me more than any other player in the tourney. He has that alpha dog scorer mentality that no one else seems to have. I want him with our top pick, despite not needing another G.

[The Truth #6]

It's just play at this point, but I'd take Mathurin above Griffin if both are available. Maybe I'm too impressed by that performance, but he has shades of Kobe to him. Not the same player, of course, but he's a baller with a clutch gene.

Agreed. In general, I don't want more shooting guards, but at the same time I don't want past drafting mistakes, so to speak, to mean we shouldn't get a good player. I'd prefer Keegan Murray. Possibly even Tari Eason. But at this point, Mathurin seems like a better idea than Johnny Davis or AJ Griffin.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Ron Harper Jr. just declared. He's a senior, but he's also an example of a guy who might legitimately be a late bloomer. He's already filled out, and he's strong. He shot about .400 from 3P on pretty high volume. And he's got that intangible of growing up with a basketball in his hands from having an NBA father. Rutgers reached the NCAA tourney two years in a row, almost exclusively because of him. They lost in double-OT to Notre Dame, or they probably would have gone 1 or even 2 rounds deeper in this year's tourney. During the regular season, he made game-winning 3's to beat both Purdue and Indiana - both really clutch 3's.

There are a whole bunch of players in this draft in the late 1st to early 2nd that could make decent rotation players, and Harper is one of them. Honestly, I think this will be one of the best drafts in the last decade for those kinds of players. You can't build a roster around them, but they are the players you need on the bench to build around someone else. That's why I hate the fact that the Spurs gave up their own 2nd, and are looking unlikely to come up with Toronto's first rounder.

I know he's "older", but he's a really high BBIQ player. He's "only" 6'6" but it will be interesting to see if he's invited to the combine, because I would bet his wingspan is pushing 7', and I think he's one of those short-necked guys who is basically an inch or two taller than his head height. He's a little bit doughy, but he's got a good motor - the Spurs training would tighten that up.

Last year I wanted the Spurs to scoop Kenyon Martin Jr. if he went undrafted. He got picked at 52, and he has more than lived up to that. Harper, I believe, is a MUCH better player than Martin was, and will be a lot better at the next level. Depending on who the Spurs take with their two first round picks, Harper would definitely be on my short list for the Lakers second rounder. My VERY short list, because he's a legitimate 3P threat, and Zeus knows the Spurs need that.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I'm a little surprised that Oscar Tshiebwe isn't getting more attention. Some mocks don't have him anywhere, not even late second round. He just had the best rebounding season in college basketball in like 40 years. Some articles mention Kenneth Faried as a comp, but I don't think it's a good comparison. All of Tshiebwe's advanced stats are miles beyond Faried's, and against tougher competition. Rebounding usually translates from the NCAA to the NBA better than most skills, and I can see a scenario where Tshiebwe is on the court with four shooters and his job is to give them all lots of second chance opportunities.

If he's still around when the Spurs pick in the mid 2nd round, I think it'd be crazy not to take a serious look at him. He's 6'8" with a 7'4" wingspan and the highest of high motors, but doesn't shot threes at all. I remember the year Brandon Clarke came out and there were lots of concerns about his mediocre wingspan and standing reach, but he's had a good run as a role player in Memphis and is still in the top 30 or so in the league in block %. Sometimes guys just know how to impact the game in spite of other traditional shortcomings. If Tshiebwe has even the potential to be a 20 mpg Bam Adebayo-lite or Robert Williams lll type of guy, he'd be a steal.


Tshiebwe doesn't have much of a game. He only started playing a few years ago. I don't know if you watched him play this year, but he's just got a lot of physical advantage over most of the college kids he's playing against. And I hate to say this out loud, but I really think he's older than advertised. I would love to see a kid from the Congo make good through hard work, and he should cash a check from someone. Just don't let his gaudy numbers say everything.

And even if he gets drafted and develops skills, I think he would be an exceptionally bad fit here. You know how forgiving Pop is for guys missing defensive assignments. I'm not sure he could survive long enough to develop under Pop.

[CGD]

James and Durant are no 6’6”. None of those you mentioned are 6’6” (except Brown). And yes AD would be highly coveted if not injured.

Come on, you’re suggesting they’re all centers now? They’re SFs and have been for their careers. Teams orient their entire defenses to stop them, so much so that it has created significant demand for another type of player, the so called 3D guy.

Griffin is 18, can still grow, and fits the physical profile of a SF.

[Dejounte]

Griffin is another midget SF who struggles to create shots for himself. No more of this “can grow” stuff. Just get the guy who has the size already and already has some semblance of an offensive game. Griffin is so far off from being a go to guy in the clutch.

[mo7888]

Ron Harper Jr. just declared. He's a senior, but he's also an example of a guy who might legitimately be a late bloomer. He's already filled out, and he's strong. He shot about .400 from 3P on pretty high volume. And he's got that intangible of growing up with a basketball in his hands from having an NBA father. Rutgers reached the NCAA tourney two years in a row, almost exclusively because of him. They lost in double-OT to Notre Dame, or they probably would have gone 1 or even 2 rounds deeper in this year's tourney. During the regular season, he made game-winning 3's to beat both Purdue and Indiana - both really clutch 3's.

There are a whole bunch of players in this draft in the late 1st to early 2nd that could make decent rotation players, and Harper is one of them. Honestly, I think this will be one of the best drafts in the last decade for those kinds of players. You can't build a roster around them, but they are the players you need on the bench to build around someone else. That's why I hate the fact that the Spurs gave up their own 2nd, and are looking unlikely to come up with Toronto's first rounder.

I know he's "older", but he's a really high BBIQ player. He's "only" 6'6" but it will be interesting to see if he's invited to the combine, because I would bet his wingspan is pushing 7', and I think he's one of those short-necked guys who is basically an inch or two taller than his head height. He's a little bit doughy, but he's got a good motor - the Spurs training would tighten that up.

Last year I wanted the Spurs to scoop Kenyon Martin Jr. if he went undrafted. He got picked at 52, and he has more than lived up to that. Harper, I believe, is a MUCH better player than Martin was, and will be a lot better at the next level. Depending on who the Spurs take with their two first round picks, Harper would definitely be on my short list for the Lakers second rounder. My VERY short list, because he's a legitimate 3P threat, and Zeus knows the Spurs need that.

I agree with all of that except the Toronto pick stuff. It's very likely to convey.

[CGD]

Griffin is another midget SF who struggles to create shots for himself. No more of this “can grow” stuff. Just get the guy who has the size already and already has some semblance of an offensive game. Griffin is so far off from being a go to guy in the clutch.

I mean, I want 2003 LeBron James too, but he’s not in this draft such less with the 8th pick. Have to look at what’s out there and project out a few years. Basic stuff.

[mo7888]

it may be a moot point...Smith, Chet, Banchero, Ivey, Sharpe, Murray, Duren, and Griffin are probably the top 8 (and this is how i have them ranked on my board) .. but, there's a pretty high probability that Griffin goes higher than I have him and Murray or Duren fall to the eighth spot based on either age or position value.

[exstatic]

I mean, I want 2003 LeBron James too, but he’s not in this draft such less with the 8th pick. Have to look at what’s out there and project out a few years. Basic stuff.

People on this forum are like the guys who think they can land an airliner after watching a YouTube, or the 1 in 8 idiots who think they can win a point from Venus Williams on a tennis court.

[CGD]

it may be a moot point...Smith, Chet, Banchero, Ivey, Sharpe, Murray, Duren, and Griffin are probably the top 8 (and this is how i have them ranked on my board) .. but, there's a pretty high probability that Griffin goes higher than I have him and Murray or Duren fall to the eighth spot based on either age or position value.

I can see that, but to be fair I have zero read on Sharpe at this point. The Murray age thing lingers but I can see Portland going for him if they slide and end up with the NOLA pick.

I like the Arizona kid, but boy it sure seems like pundits are hyping him (and Sachan). Makes me nervous about taking him where spurs would likely pick, but still lots of time to go.

[Dejounte]

I mean, I want 2003 LeBron James too, but he’s not in this draft such less with the 8th pick. Have to look at what’s out there and project out a few years. Basic stuff.

No one said anything about LeBron James, but there are numerous other prospects who fit the criteria I stated. I dont know why people take the extreme stance on here like that dumbass exstatic.

[KingKev]

No one said anything about LeBron James, but there are numerous other prospects who fit the criteria I stated. I dont know why people take the extreme stance on here like that dumbass exstatic.

I agree with you man. At some point we need to have guys play most of their minutes at their natural position. Devin Vassell was “6’7” when drafted and shortly thereafter getting minutes as a 6’5 PF.

A KBD archetype with some signs of an offensive game and athleticism would be nice. We have a great track record of developing players but some things can’t be taught.

[The Truth #6]

it may be a moot point...Smith, Chet, Banchero, Ivey, Sharpe, Murray, Duren, and Griffin are probably the top 8 (and this is how i have them ranked on my board) .. but, there's a pretty high probability that Griffin goes higher than I have him and Murray or Duren fall to the eighth spot based on either age or position value.

That definitely feels like the consensus currently, but I would be surprised if 5-8 doesn’t shake up some. Typically after workouts, one or two players shoot up and get picked higher.

[exstatic]

No one said anything about LeBron James, but there are numerous other prospects who fit the criteria I stated. I dont know why people take the extreme stance on here like that dumbass exstatic.

Rent free. :rollin

[John B]

At this point I want them to get back to 7th or better. The last second heroic win on OKC and Dubs screwed that. I’ve been doing SIM Lottery on Tankathon before and 4-10 Spurs landed #1. Now at 8th, 1-10 and even occassionally get worst.

I like the consensus top 7 picks, even Ivey at 6’4” because of his Ja comparison. But isn’t it too much to ask for a solid 6-10 who can defend and shoot?

[Mr. Body]

At this point I want them to get back to 7th or better. The last second heroic win on OKC and Dubs screwed that. I’ve been doing SIM Lottery on Tankathon before and 4-10 Spurs landed #1. Now at 8th, 1-10 and even occassionally get worst.

I like the consensus top 7 picks, even Ivey at 6’4” because of his Ja comparison. But isn’t it too much to ask for a solid 6-10 who can defend and shoot?

Last night should be good indication the Spurs won't return to #7. Portland is in complete tank mode. They weren't even competetive. Sacramento and Indiana aren't going to win enough games. The Spurs' real threat is to drop even further. Washington, New York, New Orleans, and Los Angeles are all within dropping distance and not all of them want to win right now. My optimistic case is only two of them pass the Spurs in the lottery.

[Mr. Body]

And if the Spurs wind up at, say, #10, this still leaves a pretty decent player for them like Eason. I think Mathurin blows up the rest of the tournament and goes higher.

[exstatic]

At this point I want them to get back to 7th or better. The last second heroic win on OKC and Dubs screwed that. I’ve been doing SIM Lottery on Tankathon before and 4-10 Spurs landed #1. Now at 8th, 1-10 and even occassionally get worst.

I like the consensus top 7 picks, even Ivey at 6’4” because of his Ja comparison. But isn’t it too much to ask for a solid 6-10 who can defend and shoot?

7 is now a distant,but fond memory.

[BackHome]

And if the Spurs wind up at, say, #10, this still leaves a pretty decent player for them like Eason. I think Mathurin blows up the rest of the tournament and goes higher.

As terrible and avoid of talent this team is it would be a HUGE let down if we getting “A Decent Player” with our first pick just saying

[Mr. Body]

As terrible and avoid of talent this team is it would be a HUGE let down if we getting “A Decent Player” with our first pick just saying

I honestly don't know who is more than 'a decent player' in this draft. I don't know if there are any stars.

[John B]

As terrible and avoid of talent this team is it would be a HUGE let down if we getting “A Decent Player” with our first pick just saying

I hope Spurs would be willing to trade up, consolidate the picks and filler, to get to their targeted player, whoever that be.

[BatManu20]

Yea the #7 overall pick with a decent chance to get into the top-4 is a pipe dream at this point. Y’all gotta let that idea go. At this point we just gotta hope the Pelicans show up and beat us on Saturday. Otherwise we likely fall to 9 or 10 in the draft with our easy remaining schedule, and potentially out of the top-10 entirely, depending on what happens with the Pels, Wizards, & Knicks the rest of the way.

Big game coming up on Saturday. Spurs probably want revenge for the embarrassment the Pels put on us at our place last week. Could easily see us winning that game comfortably tbh. Hope I’m wrong.

[KingKev]

I hope Spurs would be willing to trade up, consolidate the picks and filler, to get to their targeted player, whoever that be.

This assumes a team wants to trade down. It’s not going to happen.

[KingKev]

Let’s call a spade a spade; we’ve been drafting better in the late 20’s anyway. I’m not convinced we’d even take what is considered a sure thing with a top 5 pick as they’d probably pick the same guy at 5 they would at 13.

[BacktoBasics]

I hope Spurs would be willing to trade up, consolidate the picks and filler, to get to their targeted player, whoever that be.

As much as I’d like to see it I don’t think it’s possible. Let’s say they end up at 8, 9 or 10 and end up with the other two firsts. Those 3 picks and a “filler” won’t break the top 4. Maybe not even top 5.

They’d have to part with a pretty significant player to move up into the top 5.

With that said I like what Richardson is doing and I think he might provide a good option if the teams wants to move a late first and him to get into a mid first.

[The Truth #6]

It does feel like a weird draft in many ways. We have multiple picks, first off. It seems deep but not full of stars. We probably can't consolidate picks and include Yak or Richardson to move up, but if we're not in the top 4, it might not be worth giving all that up anyway. Yet, can we even bring three FRP players onto the team next year? We already have a lot of young players in the pipeline. Before this year's trade deadline, I would have had very low confidence in Wright to make something work, but at this point I've gone from pessimistic in him to almost expecting him to somehow make all these picks and trade possibilities come together. I still think they will do something weird with their first pick. Shit, they may even trade down, which would be hilarious.

[BatManu20]

Scored tickets to the Sweet 16 games tonight here in San Antone. Michigan vs. Villanova and Houston vs. Arizona.

I’ll get to see Bennedict Mathurin for AZ and Caleb Houston and Moussa Diabate for UM in person.

[John B]

Scored tickets to the Sweet 16 games tonight here in San Antone. Michigan vs. Villanova and Houston vs. Arizona.

I’ll get to see Bennedict Mathurin for AZ and Caleb Houston and Moussa Diabate for UM in person.

Mathurin seems to have that “it” factor who likes the ball on his hands at game point. Intriguing where he lands as his stock continues to soar

[TD 21]

It does feel like a weird draft in many ways. We have multiple picks, first off. It seems deep but not full of stars. We probably can't consolidate picks and include Yak or Richardson to move up, but if we're not in the top 4, it might not be worth giving all that up anyway. Yet, can we even bring three FRP players onto the team next year? We already have a lot of young players in the pipeline. Before this year's trade deadline, I would have had very low confidence in Wright to make something work, but at this point I've gone from pessimistic in him to almost expecting him to somehow make all these picks and trade possibilities come together. I still think they will do something weird with their first pick. Shit, they may even trade down, which would be hilarious.

Things have to break just right in the lottery. For example, the Pistons, Knicks and Kings don't strike me as fits for Banchero. Say they get 4 and he's the lone first tier prospect remaining, I could see them being interested in something like Poeltl (makes sense for Knicks who seem unlikely to re-sign Robinson; the other two could re-route him), Spurs 1st and either the Raptors or Celtics 1st for 4 and and a 2nd (only the Kings have a decent '22 one).

[mo7888]

Things have to break just right in the lottery. For example, the Pistons, Knicks and Kings don't strike me as fits for Banchero. Say they get 4 and he's the lone first tier prospect remaining, I could see them being interested in something like Poeltl (makes sense for Knicks who seem unlikely to re-sign Robinson; the other two could re-route him), Spurs 1st and either the Raptors or Celtics 1st for 4 and and a 2nd (only the Kings have a decent '22 one).

I agree with that on Banchero...another team I'm wondering about is Portland...they are in full tank mode but, I just can't see Dame being happy with them drafting any of these guys to play alongside. None of them will make the year 1 impact he'd be looking for. So, I know I'm in the minority here but, I think they end up either trading the pick or trading Dame...

[TD 21]

Mocks don't reflect it yet, but I've heard Mathurin is rising while Griffin Jr. and Davis could be falling. Branham strikes me as a potential sleeper pick.



I agree with that on Banchero...another team I'm wondering about is Portland...they are in full tank mode but, I just can't see Dame being happy with them drafting any of these guys to play alongside. None of them will make the year 1 impact he'd be looking for. So, I know I'm in the minority here but, I think they end up either trading the pick or trading Dame...

Agree. Banchero might be the exception, since he's the only one who both flashes go-to potential (he might not have the impact to match, but he's likely to produce relatively big counting stats immediately) and would fill a positional need.

The problem for them is, there's no readily available star. Grant is being mentioned as a target. Haven't heard Randle, but maybe the Knicks pivot.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.si.com/college/video/2022/03/24/arizona-bennedict-mathurin-apologizes-tcu-cheerleader


Mr. Mathurin has no recollection of touching the cheerleader.
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[BacktoBasics]

Things have to break just right in the lottery. For example, the Pistons, Knicks and Kings don't strike me as fits for Banchero. Say they get 4 and he's the lone first tier prospect remaining, I could see them being interested in something like Poeltl (makes sense for Knicks who seem unlikely to re-sign Robinson; the other two could re-route him), Spurs 1st and either the Raptors or Celtics 1st for 4 and and a 2nd (only the Kings have a decent '22 one).
This is an interesting idea but poodle doesn’t really move any needles and a prospect like Banchero can likely return a much more impactful player. With the drop after 5 I’m not so sure a 9th or 10th pick is that enticing.

I hope it is.

[jjspur]

I know we are all going back and forth about who we can draft and who may fall to us and so forth, but has anyone considered trading our second and third picks in the first round for current NBA players. There are always teams desperate to get into the draft and they might trade us one of their somewhat promising young players for a draft pick. We already have a rather young team, seems like a young experienced vet might do us more good than a rookie who may not see the court for while. In this somewhat "weak" draft that might be a strategy to consider especially since we have multiple picks this year

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

For once the Spurs have accumulated a lot of trade chips, so I'm hopeful they have someone in mind, and a plan in place to get him. Lots of tradeable pieces going into this year's draft should make for an interesting draft night.

I don't think this team can become a contender by continuing to draft role players, in spite of the fact they've successfully accumulated some pretty solid ones. Stars win in this league, so for the Spurs to climb back into the strata of credibility they'll need one or two.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Let’s call a spade a spade; we’ve been drafting better in the late 20’s anyway. I’m not convinced we’d even take what is considered a sure thing with a top 5 pick as they’d probably pick the same guy at 5 they would at 13.

Some truth there. We probably could have gotten Primo 10 picks further down the order last year.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[KingKev]

I personally would rather see them use all of our picks or move a few of them for future picks but I feel we might as well take chances on multiple young guys in the coming years versus trading for an all-star. Drafting and developing is something this organization is still pretty damn good at. Loosen up the character criteria and keep swinging. We will hit on something decent again soon.

In the interim keep harvesting value from the guys you developed. More players need to get the Derrick White treatment the next few years. Jak, Keldon, Vassell all prime candidates.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Anybody watching the first half still think that Holmgren is a lock for the #1 pick? He's going to need a big second half AND for Zaga to win this game so he gets another chance.

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://www.si.com/college/video/2022/03/24/arizona-bennedict-mathurin-apologizes-tcu-cheerleader


https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.hBB9ePaSKG6prInvK7w2AQHaFj?w=261&h=196&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.1&pid=1.7


LOL. Well, if he's sorry...

[mo7888]

Mocks don't reflect it yet, but I've heard Mathurin is rising while Griffin Jr. and Davis could be falling. Branham strikes me as a potential sleeper pick.




Agree. Banchero might be the exception, since he's the only one who both flashes go-to potential (he might not have the impact to match, but he's likely to produce relatively big counting stats immediately) and would fill a positional need.

The problem for them is, there's no readily available star. Grant is being mentioned as a target. Haven't heard Randle, but maybe the Knicks pivot.

Agreed...Portland is in a tough spot...they may not even know what they're doing yet.. just trying to get the highest possible pick to have as many options as possible. To a lesser degree we're in the same boat....even if we wanted to package assets to go after a star...who's gonna be available?

[Ariel]

Anybody watching the first half still think that Holmgren is a lock for the #1 pick? He's going to need a big second half AND for Zaga to win this game so he gets another chance.
This tournament is the first I've seen of college basketball all year, but I've seen almost all relevant games, and I'd comfortably take Ivey, Banchero and Smith before Holmgreen. Very unimpressive offensive game, Timme has carried Gonzaga offensively pretty much every time they've been in trouble, with Holmgreen having a very reduced role. Shotblocking has been amazing, other than that, I can't see what's the big fuzz about him going by the past few games.

[Mr. Body]

Anybody watching the first half still think that Holmgren is a lock for the #1 pick? He's going to need a big second half AND for Zaga to win this game so he gets another chance.

At this point, group think has set in and the top picks are semi-locked in. No GM is going to risk losing his job going against conventional wisdom. And that goes for more than just Holmgren.

[couchman]

I'm not impressed w AJ Griffin at all at the #8 pick. He's fine later in the draft but not top 10.
I will be disappointed if that's our pick.

Holmgren, Jabari Smith, Banchero, and Johnny Smith seem like they'll all be solid players who can be #2 guys on really good teams.

The guys who look to have real star potential to me are: Ivey and Mathurin. Ivey's atheltic gifts are.... wow.
And Mathurin is a grinder in addition to his very real skills. I suspect these two will be talked about for years after this draft.

Sharpe is the real wildcard. Someone will really roll the dice on him and might win big.

Late 1st round picks that could be steals are the G League guys and Patrick Baldwin Jr. They've had so-so years at their current locations but were once seen as lottery talents. I'm particularly intrigued by Baldwin Jr.

[exstatic]

Some truth there. We probably could have gotten Primo 10 picks further down the order last year.

The Spurs are pretty savvy about other teams wants and needs, and they thought someone pretty close behind them wanted Primo. They have shown a propensity to wheel and deal and multiply assets, and if they thought he was going to drop 10 spots, they WOULD have traded back.

[Ariel]

I've heard Chad Ford say that, speaking with different teams, Primo was much higher on their lists than most mocks would have you believe, he said around the late teens. So he likely would have been gone within the next 10 pícks. Still, pretty much a huge reach, when he's neither a potential game changer nor a sure thing, and Sengun was the obvious pick and he was available...

[ZeusWillJudge]

At this point, group think has set in and the top picks are semi-locked in. No GM is going to risk losing his job going against conventional wisdom. And that goes for more than just Holmgren.


Meh. You could be right. And with it being Rafael Stone's first year, he's probably more likely than most to play it safe. All the basketball analysis in the world isn't worth much if you don't account for human nature.

Besides, it's looking like Few made some good adjustments at the half. Holmgren may get enough out of this half to settle the argument.

[PhantomDashCam]

Opinions are fluctuating wildly on Draft boards and will continue to, up until draft night. Have a look at NBADraft.net's new mock.
That's certainly trending away from the consensus...

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Dyson Daniels at 29? Tari Eason at 30? Think they'll be off the board before 20.

[Mr. Body]

I've heard Chad Ford say that, speaking with different teams, Primo was much higher on their lists than most mocks would have you believe, he said around the late teens. So he likely would have been gone within the next 10 pícks. Still, pretty much a huge reach, when he's neither a potential game changer nor a sure thing, and Sengun was the obvious pick and he was available...

I've said numerous times that if the draft had been a week later, Primo would have started appearing in the lottery in mock drafts. The press were slow to pick up on his movement. Same thing happened with Ziaire Williams, who only started moving the week before. Whether they were reaches or not is another matter.

[KingKev]

I've said numerous times that if the draft had been a week later, Primo would have started appearing in the lottery in mock drafts. The press were slow to pick up on his movement. Same thing happened with Ziaire Williams, who only started moving the week before. Whether they were reaches or not is another matter.

What would have moved him? Everyone organization was working off of similar information no?

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Spurs are pretty savvy about other teams wants and needs, and they thought someone pretty close behind them wanted Primo. They have shown a propensity to wheel and deal and multiply assets, and if they thought he was going to drop 10 spots, they WOULD have traded back.


Look, I don't want to be "that guy". I did tell TIMVP this in a PM back when it happened. What I was told was that the Spurs were convinced that OKC would take him if they passed. The Spurs picked 12, and OKC had 16 and 18, so maybe they didn't think they could risk trading down. I don't know, but it makes sense that OKC might have liked Primo's upside more than Tre Mann's.

On the other hand, it would mean that the Spurs had a pretty specific read on what OKC was thinking. Rumors are a lot more fun if you don't think too much about them.

[Mr. Body]

What would have moved him? Everyone organization was working off of similar information no?

I'm talking about mock drafts. They're not smarter than any other amateurs and are trying to guess draft orders by reading the tea leaves. A lot of the players' positions had solidified (more or less) by the week or so of the draft. Ziaire Williams started moving up on some mock drafts the week before because the better mocks were picking up on real interest. Behind the scenes there was a lot of interest in Primo but the media wasn't picking up on it until late. So Chad Ford is right that there were whispers about Primo. He was wrong about the position, though, because by the time final mocks were in, he was strongly valued by a number of teams in the late lottery. Meanwhile, the world was aghast when he was picked, but that's because they were reading mocks that weren't picking up on the change.

[Mr. Body]

Look, I don't want to be "that guy". I did tell TIMVP this in a PM back when it happened. What I was told was that the Spurs were convinced that OKC would take him if they passed. The Spurs picked 12, and OKC had 16 and 18, so maybe they didn't think they could risk trading down. I don't know, but it makes sense that OKC might have liked Primo's upside more than Tre Mann's.

On the other hand, it would mean that the Spurs had a pretty specific read on what OKC was thinking. Rumors are a lot more fun if you don't think too much about them.

I believe you are 100% correct on the whole situation. There was no trading back because they believed he would be gone.

[KingKev]

I'm talking about mock drafts. They're not smarter than any other amateurs and are trying to guess draft orders by reading the tea leaves. A lot of the players' positions had solidified (more or less) by the week or so of the draft. Ziaire Williams started moving up on some mock drafts the week before because the better mocks were picking up on real interest. Behind the scenes there was a lot of interest in Primo but the media wasn't picking up on it until late. So Chad Ford is right that there were whispers about Primo. He was wrong about the position, though, because by the time final mocks were in, he was strongly valued by a number of teams in the late lottery. Meanwhile, the world was aghast when he was picked, but that's because they were reading mocks that weren't picking up on the change.

ahh I see your point now. I’m as casual as anyone when it comes to college basketball prospects; definitely the Canadian in me.

[Ariel]

Opinions are fluctuating wildly on Draft boards and will continue to, up until draft night. Have a look at NBADraft.net's new mock.
That's certainly trending away from the consensus...

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Dyson Daniels at 29? Tari Eason at 30? Think they'll be off the board before 20.

The mock at NBAdraft.net is a joke, pay no attention. It's useful for the purpose of tracking prospects, but it's clearly dettached from actual info. Orlando Robinson at 19, Kendall Brown at 34... Sochan at 23... It's overall ridiculous.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I'm watching Arkansas-Zaga, so I'm not seeing the other game. But Hunter Di(kinson has 12 points, 12 rebounds, and 3 AST's even though they're going to lose. We were talking about second round big men the other night, and I've been saying that he might be a bargain. This was a pretty good way to end the season.

[PhantomDashCam]

The mock at NBAdraft.net is a joke, pay no attention. It's useful for the purpose of tracking prospects, but it's clearly dettached from actual info. Orlando Robinson at 19, Kendall Brown at 34... Sochan at 23... It's overall ridiculous.


Look I agree atm on this draft but the site has a reputation of getting a pretty decent % of picks accurate. Have a look at some of their previous mocks from years past. Not a bad hit rate overall...

[Ariel]

Look I agree atm on this draft but the site has a reputation of getting a pretty decent % of picks accurate. Have a look at some of their previous mocks from years past. Not a bad hit rate overall...
I know the site, I think I followed the LeBron draft over there, and I've checked it out over the years (like when they were comparing Thiago Splitter to Dirk :drunk), then came DraftExpress, then it went away, then came many others. They've kept the site alive with minimal effort (shows on the interface), but it's clearly a legacy site that probably one random dude updates every month or so. My point being, don't read too much into their rankings, they don't reflect anything but their opinion. They're about as good as any fan could come up with.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Spurs are pretty savvy about other teams wants and needs, and they thought someone pretty close behind them wanted Primo. They have shown a propensity to wheel and deal and multiply assets, and if they thought he was going to drop 10 spots, they WOULD have traded back.

I remember that conversation following the draft. I’m going to trust you on that. It felt like an over-anxious grab, but hopefully he develops into something special so this post, and my initial doubts about him, can get bumped a few times in 3 or 4 years! :lol

[BackHome]

Opinions are fluctuating wildly on Draft boards and will continue to, up until draft night. Have a look at NBADraft.net's new mock.
That's certainly trending away from the consensus...

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

Dyson Daniels at 29? Tari Eason at 30? Think they'll be off the board before 20.

To be fair I think Draft.Net is terrible I don't even use them anymore I put more faith in Tankathon to be honest but that is just me..

[Mr. Body]

I know the site, I think I followed the LeBron draft over there, and I've checked it out over the years (like when they were comparing Thiago Splitter to Dirk :drunk), then came DraftExpress, then it went away, then came many others. They've kept the site alive with minimal effort (shows on the interface), but it's clearly a legacy site that probably one random dude updates every month or so. My point being, don't read too much into their rankings, they don't reflect anything but their opinion. They're about as good as any fan could come up with.

This is my feeling as well. They used to be better. It's low-effort now.

[Mr. Body]

Mathurin is listed as 6'6". I think theres some Jalen Duren-level lying about height going on here.

[MultiTroll]

Anybody watching the first half still think that Holmgren is a lock for the #1 pick? He's going to need a big second half AND for Zaga to win this game so he gets another chance.
Gonzagas guards and the G/SF that gets plenty of run (and shots) Strawther are all pathetic tournament performers.
Soft as hell overall, additionally had numersou ops to convert passes into assisted made buckets when kicked out to.
8/30 overall, 4/15 on treys, along with a bunch of pussified turnovers and weak D at the other end.
Scouts who follow Gonzaga on the regular with have no problem what a relatively weak assed effort he and Timme had in front of them. Chet and Timme both had a hardworking good game vs Arkansas. Also with Few, who imo has reached full on Marty Shotenheimer status. Unlike Marty whom i thing really had a fire to win (other issues derailed) Few is entirely happy to be the big fish on the smaller pond (Pacific Northwest) and in his postgame interview all but said so. Fire burniong to win the Nat Champ? Not with Few. He's entirely happy to reach the Elite 8. And it shows in the soft ass starters he either fails to motivate or fails to put a willing bench guy in their place.

[Mr. Body]

This is Gonzaga every year. They get overrated and overseeded from playing in a horrible conference. St. Mary's was supposedly solid this year, but they only looked good against a completely gassed Indiana team. For the Zags, it's hard to get honed against soft, bad league competition.

[mystargtr34]

If the Spurs fall to 9 or 10 in the draft I think they are better off just drafting for need and picking Sochan or Eason and filling that need at the 4 spot even if its a slight reach. Then they can take some swings with the other two 1sts.

Although if Keegan Murray is still on the board at pick 6 or 7 which is not highly unlikely then the Spurs may wish to trade up. Indiana and Sacramento are projected to pick at 5-6 and I think they could both definitely pick Murray to fill a need at the 4, I could also see them taking Griffin or Sharpe in those spots. In that case Portland would likely take Murray at 7.

I also think OKC can shake up the draft a bit. They are projected to pick 3rd of 4th based on current record. If Chet and Jabari are gone at 1-2, I can't see OKC picking Ivey or Banchero due to them already having Giddy and SGA handling the ball. I don't think Banchero is a good fit next to those guys. I could see OKC reaching and taking Sharpe or even Duren. Duren would be dangerous as a alley oop threat next to Giddey and could be their anchor on D. They could also take Murray there.

So many scenarios that could play so its just all what-if scenarios at this point.

[BackHome]

Was wondering how Houston is on top of Arizona right now started to look at there players bios and damn almost all the starters are 23 years old.

[MultiTroll]

This is Gonzaga every year. They get overrated and overseeded from playing in a horrible conference. St. Mary's was supposedly solid this year, but they only looked good against a completely gassed Indiana team. For the Zags, it's hard to get honed against soft, bad league competition.
2021 they made it to Finals and lost to Baylor. That was a good year all in all.
2020 Covid so we'll never know, but seemed to have a solid Championship Chance roster.

2022 just took 5 steps backwards. This is the 2nd year in a row Few got the #1 overall prospect, or certainly top 5 prosepct with Jalen Suggs. In particular i find Fews guards consistently do not hit the wide open kickouts nor play strong D.

We'll see but i think Few lost some top tier prospects with this flub. Of course NIL is gonna become near King if not already King.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The Spurs are pretty savvy about other teams wants and needs, and they thought someone pretty close behind them wanted Primo. They have shown a propensity to wheel and deal and multiply assets, and if they thought he was going to drop 10 spots, they WOULD have traded back.


Meh. You could be right. And with it being Rafael Stone's first year, he's probably more likely than most to play it safe. All the basketball analysis in the world isn't worth much if you don't account for human nature.

Besides, it's looking like Few made some good adjustments at the half. Holmgren may get enough out of this half to settle the argument.


I was distracted, typing and watching the game. But no excuses, that was dumb of me limiting it to just Houston. The three worst records have the exact same chance of landing the #1 pick, and the 4th worst record has just a percent and a half less chance.

I think Houston and Detroit would probably take Holmgren as the "safe" pick for their GM's. I think Orlando might not, and I don't think Presti will take him if they get the first pick. OKC already has one 7-foot toothpick unicorn.

The Pacers might, since they just traded Sabonis. The Kings probably wouldn't, since they just got Sabonis.

So I'm still seeing him as about a coin toss for the most likely teams to land that #1 pick.

[John B]

The Spurs are pretty savvy about other teams wants and needs, and they thought someone pretty close behind them wanted Primo. They have shown a propensity to wheel and deal and multiply assets, and if they thought he was going to drop 10 spots, they WOULD have traded back.

I’d play poker against Wright anytime :lol. Primo’s agent told them that other teams were also interested (what else would he say?), and that his client would be gone by the 41st pick. Spurs jumped the gun and used their lottery pick, where I think Spurs could’ve traded down and still got him and plus. I’m not regretting the pick, in hindsight. They wanted to swing big for a home run, they did. That much I respect. But that was faaarr from being savvy. That was plain playing safe, just get the guy before somebody else did. Someone savvy would’ve converted that lottery pick into Primo and more.

It’s also worth noting that this management (Wright) has been relying heavily on the results of the Combine lately. Primo did well showcasing his point guard skills, instead of catch-and-shoot scouts were familiar with playing limited minutes behind heavy Alabama vets. The Combine worked perfectly for Primo, as it did for Weiskamp and Luka. The latter slipped Spurs’ known meticulous scrutiny, turning out to be a bad fit. I guess what I’m saying is, we can expect the same at this years’ Draft. I suspect whoever sticks out in the Combine, the Spurs would be interested, regardless of the general consensus. So yeah, it’s nice to speculate, but I’d wait for the Combine and that could mean some player who ST might not know :lmao

[buttsR4rebounding]

I’d play poker against Wright anytime :lol. Primo’s agent told them that other teams were also interested (what else would he say?), and that his client would be gone by the 41st pick. Spurs jumped the gun and used their lottery pick, where I think Spurs could’ve traded down and still got him and plus. I’m not regretting the pick, in hindsight. They wanted to swing big for a home run, they did. That much I respect. But that was faaarr from being savvy. That was plain playing safe, just get the guy before somebody else did. Someone savvy would’ve converted that lottery pick into Primo and more.

It’s also worth noting that this management (Wright) has been relying heavily on the results of the Combine lately. Primo did well showcasing his point guard skills, instead of catch-and-shoot scouts were familiar with playing limited minutes behind heavy Alabama vets. The Combine worked perfectly for Primo, as it did for Weiskamp and Luka. The latter slipped Spurs’ known meticulous scrutiny, turning out to be a bad fit. I guess what I’m saying is, we can expect the same at this years’ Draft. I suspect whoever sticks out in the Combine, the Spurs would be interested, regardless of the general consensus. So yeah, it’s nice to speculate, but I’d wait for the Combine and that could mean some player who ST might not know :lmao

That’s a good strategy picking out of the lottery, but so much of the top talent skips the combine that it’s really dumb picking top 10.

[John B]

That’s a good strategy picking out of the lottery, but so much of the top talent skips the combine that it’s really dumb picking top 10.

I’m not saying that’s how I would pick, but what Wright would probably do, heaven forbid :lol

[Mr. Body]

I’d play poker against Wright anytime :lol. Primo’s agent told them that other teams were also interested (what else would he say?), and that his client would be gone by the 41st pick. Spurs jumped the gun and used their lottery pick, where I think Spurs could’ve traded down and still got him and plus. I’m not regretting the pick, in hindsight. They wanted to swing big for a home run, they did. That much I respect. But that was faaarr from being savvy. That was plain playing safe, just get the guy before somebody else did. Someone savvy would’ve converted that lottery pick into Primo and more.

I don't know how many times people have to tell you this isn't true.

[exstatic]

I don't know how many times people have to tell you this isn't true.

Same amount of times people have to tell you that the Spurs won’t trade a top four pick for salary reasons…

[BatManu20]

Fun time at the AT&T Center last night, especially for the AZ-HOU game. Crowd was mostly pro-Houston as expected. Mathurin had a rough game, going 4-14 from the field. Pretty much everyone on AZ struggled offensively. Houston played great Defense though and deserve a ton of credit. They’re dawgs out there defensively and on the glass. AZ is huge, didn’t realize how big they are. Multiple 7-footers & 6’11 guys on that roster. And HOU still dogged them on the glass. I dig it. Other than all the drunken idiots and near-fights, it was a fun night.

[John B]

Fun time at the AT&T Center last night, especially for the AZ-HOU game. Crowd was mostly pro-Houston as expected. Mathurin had a rough game, going 4-14 from the field. Pretty much everyone on AZ struggled offensively. Houston played great Defense though and deserve a ton of credit. They’re dawgs out there defensively and on the glass. AZ is huge, didn’t realize how big they are. Multiple 7-footers & 6’11 guys on that roster. And HOU still dogged them on the glass. I dig it. Other than all the drunken idiots and near-fights, it was a fun night.


How does Mathurin impress you? I’ve read and watched films of him having that “it” factor to become a star, not shying away from big moments. The way he’s in constant motion hitting bigs reminds me of Booker, or it could be Reddick :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Fun time at the AT&T Center last night, especially for the AZ-HOU game. Crowd was mostly pro-Houston as expected. Mathurin had a rough game, going 4-14 from the field. Pretty much everyone on AZ struggled offensively. Houston played great Defense though and deserve a ton of credit. They’re dawgs out there defensively and on the glass. AZ is huge, didn’t realize how big they are. Multiple 7-footers & 6’11 guys on that roster. And HOU still dogged them on the glass. I dig it. Other than all the drunken idiots and near-fights, it was a fun night.


Thanks for that. I didn't get to watch the game, and I was wondering how Houston managed such a convincing win over Arizona. It's especially good coming from someone who was actually at the game.

The next game will be totally different. Out of Nova's guys who get minutes, they have one 6'8", one 6'7", and the rest are shorter than that. You care to make any predictions about whether Houston can beat a 1 and a 2 team back to back?

[MultiTroll]

AZ coaches love affair with his two Europhucks.
Costly.
1-15 combined + the point guard is a sieve on defense.

[buttsR4rebounding]

How does Mathurin impress you? I’ve read and watched films of him having that “it” factor to become a star, not shying away from big moments. The way he’s in constant motion hitting bigs reminds me of Booker, or it could be Reddick :lol

I was reading a link on Hoopshype that said the Knicks rank Mathurin above Ivey for what it's worth. Of course, the last Knicks draft pick that they re-signed to a 2nd contract was Charlie Ward over 20 years ago. Although it looks like Barret may break that streak. I like Mathurin a lot if he is a true 6'6". If he's closer to 6'4" as some are now saying that just seems like too much redundancy for the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

Same amount of times people have to tell you that the Spurs won’t trade a top four pick for salary reasons…

We don't know until it happens. My point is that they would consider it. And they absolutely would. It's the motherfucking Spurs, dude.

And it's peculiar to try to make this argument when I'm right about Primo. Your grasp of rhetoric and debate is very poor.

[Seventyniner]

I was reading a link on Hoopshype that said the Knicks rank Mathurin above Ivey for what it's worth. Of course, the last Knicks draft pick that they re-signed to a 2nd contract was Charlie Ward over 20 years ago. Although it looks like Barret may break that streak. I like Mathurin a lot if he is a true 6'6". If he's closer to 6'4" as some are now saying that just seems like too much redundancy for the Spurs.

That's fucking insane.

[dbestpro]

These big ten players are over rated. Numbers are great against one another but when they get in the tourney they wilt just like the Zags.

[Russ]

Why is Caleb Love not on anyone's mock draft (not even late 2d round)?

[BackHome]

Yeah, I think Tankathon has him number 70 on there Big Board

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

March Madness has been another indicator that this draft appears to be very weak compared to previous drafts, both at the top and the lottery as a whole.

There might be some interesting players in the late teens and 20s but they generally fall into two categories - good players with low upside (Liddell, Braun, Agbaji, Moore, Koloko, Chandler, etc.) and pre-draft types if they don't go back to school (Houstan, Christie, Davison, Watson, Wesley, etc.). I'm starting to like the draft and stash players more and more considering the alternatives - Procida, Spagnolo, Kamagate and Jovic look good. Wouldn't be surprised if they use the Boston pick on one of these if they can't trade it.

[BackHome]

Yeah, it’s going to be interesting to see what the Spurs are going to do either way the go about it will probably have the same record in 2023 unless they fully embrace the Tank.

I have no idea who we picking with our first but I do like the following players with our other picks

1. Walter Kessler C
2. Mark Williams C
3. Mathew Cleveland SG/SF
4. Moussa Diabaate PF
5. Bryce McGowens SG/SF
6. Nikola Jovic PF

[Biggems]

One thing that frustrates me to no end is watching other teams constantly outhustle us for rebounds, especially when we are on defense. For this reason, I want us to draft a dominant rebounder, one of the best in college, who is also developing his offensive game. C Oscar Tshiebwe is the guy I want. He also fits the Spurs character and he would instantly become a fan favorite down here in SA.

[rankingtear]

One thing that frustrates me to no end is watching other teams constantly outhustle us for rebounds, especially when we are on defense. For this reason, I want us to draft a dominant rebounder, one of the best in college, who is also developing his offensive game. C Oscar Tshiebwe is the guy I want. He also fits the Spurs character and he would instantly become a fan favorite down here in SA.

Potentially the oldest player to be drafted. Character red flags and looks like a 30 year old.

[duncan2150]

One thing that frustrates me to no end is watching other teams constantly outhustle us for rebounds, especially when we are on defense. For this reason, I want us to draft a dominant rebounder, one of the best in college, who is also developing his offensive game. C Oscar Tshiebwe is the guy I want. He also fits the Spurs character and he would instantly become a fan favorite down here in SA.

I think you're right about the issue, spurs needs something inside but i think there are better players than Tshiebwe overral, who can rebound and protect the paint , so i will go with Mark Williams, Koloko or Kessler before Tshiebwe. Imo they are more complete and they have more upside.

If they are not available, Oscar could be a good second round pick imo.

[exstatic]

Potentially the oldest player to be drafted. Character red flags and looks like a 30 year old.

It’s almost impossible to properly age players from Africa. Many of them lack basic official papers like birth certificates.

There is speculation that Serge Ibaka was as old as 25 when he entered the league.

We have a next level defensive rebounder on the roster. His name is Devontae Cacok. His DRB% is 33.5. Translated into English, with ten guys on the floor, every time the other team puts up a shot, one guy, Devontae, gets 1/3 of the rebounds. 1 out of every 3. It’s also not a fluke. He was an elite rebounder in College and in the gleague.

[exstatic]

My dream scenario:
1 SA
2 Wash
3 New Orleans
4 New York

We win, Portland gets double fucked by losing the New Orleans (protected 1-4) pick AND getting pushed back four spots, and the hard tanking teams all get booted out of the top four.

[duncan2150]

March Madness has been another indicator that this draft appears to be very weak compared to previous drafts, both at the top and the lottery as a whole.



You need at least 2-3 years to evaluate a draft. I don't think March Madness is a big indicator. Offcourse you could see players with guts but if we talked about this year , Ivey for example was clutch and then not that good when Purdue lost to St Peters, same thing for mathurin last two games...

Last year, Wagner struggled, we did not see Barnes in the MM.

[Biggems]

Potentially the oldest player to be drafted. Character red flags and looks like a 30 year old.

character red flags?

From what I have seen, he is a devout Christian, who grew up in church and was taught good morals and values from his parents. He seems to live his life based on his purpose for God and to do right by his parents. So, please give me some of those red flags.

Also, who gives a fuck how old or young he looks. All that matters is does he fit our system and our needs and I firmly believe he does. I believe he is a team first player, willing to do the dirty work for the success of the team. I do not see him as a glory hound or a fame whore. Also, on offense he doesn't seem like a chucker.

[Dejounte]

Getting an elite rebounding center is no use if the other big in the line up isn’t boxing out for him. A player who gets big rebounding numbers never does it by himself. Poeltl would have bigger rebounding numbers if the other guys knew how to box out for him. It’s also the style of play— if a team wants to push the pace the other way, they can’t have two players staying behind for defensive rebounds. So it’s a tug of war between what a team wants: two good rebounding big men and a slower pace offensively or a fast pace team with one good rebounding big man (which Poeltl is above average at), but a bad rebounding team overall. Drafting a center for his rebounding skills would be a marginal improvement to the team at best. The team will have to pick a direction: 1) doubling down on their small ball, hybrid offense or 2) go traditional and beat teams with an inside/out slower offense. The latter would need an elite big man, IMO. And elite big men rarely come from past the top five picks. Star guards/ wings are much likelier to be found where the Spurs are projected to pick.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Ivey with 9 points against Saint Peter's pathetic, Chet also went out bad with 11 points, Jabari 10 points. Banchero is the only one that has stepped up so far from the projected top 4.

[rankingtear]

character red flags?

From what I have seen, he is a devout Christian, who grew up in church and was taught good morals and values from his parents. He seems to live his life based on his purpose for God and to do right by his parents. So, please give me some of those red flags.

Also, who gives a fuck how old or young he looks. All that matters is does he fit our system and our needs and I firmly believe he does. I believe he is a team first player, willing to do the dirty work for the success of the team. I do not see him as a glory hound or a fame whore. Also, on offense he doesn't seem like a chucker.

Devout Christians have no red flags? He straight up lied on an athletic article trashing his former coach and admitted it after.

[Biggems]

Devout Christians have no red flags? He straight up lied on an athletic article trashing his former coach and admitted it after.

was that the school he left to go to Kentucky?

[Ariel]

If the Spurs fall to 9 or 10 in the draft I think they are better off just drafting for need and picking Sochan or Eason and filling that need at the 4 spot even if its a slight reach. Then they can take some swings with the other two 1sts.
Provided the Spurs don't get lucky with their own pick, think it would be possible and desirable to get BOTH. They're likely to go between 10 and 15 IMO, and maybe they could use the 2nd rounder or something else on top of the Toronto pick to go up a few positions, and make it happen. With the last first rounder (Boston's) there's likely still some big wing with potential available (like Jovic, Baldwin, etc), or a young center (Koloko, Kamagate), and if you can't land a star prospect, three good ones than fit a need would be pretty damn good.

[ZeusWillJudge]

character red flags?<br>
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From what I have seen, he is a devout Christian, who grew up in church and was taught good morals and values from his parents. He seems to live his life based on his purpose for God and to do right by his parents. So, please give me some of those red flags.<br>
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Also, who gives a fuck how old or young he looks. All that matters is does he fit our system and our needs and I firmly believe he does. I believe he is a team first player, willing to do the dirty work for the success of the team. I do not see him as a glory hound or a fame whore. Also, on offense he doesn't seem like a chucker.


If he is older than advertised, the problem isn't about his character - not for me at least. It's that he's a man competing against boys, for the most part, and you have to discount his numbers when you evaluate. I've said it before - there are a bunch of guys in the G-League who would look like stars if they were allowed to go back right now and compete against college boys. Pretty much every season, there are a couple of guys in college who came to basketball late. And the scouting reports always say some flavor of this: "...but he will have to expand his reportoire to succeed at the next level." And I try to watch those guys. Rarely ever do they actually expand their reportoire and become significant at the next level. Remember Bismack Biyombo, and how crazy most people were about his "upside" before the draft? Biyombo is probably Tsiebwe's ceiling in the NBA.

I commented on Tshiebwe a day or two ago, and said that I would really like to see him succeed and get paid. But there are several other big bruisers that will probably be available that have more game, and I think are more likely improve before they're too old for it to matter. Is he a good guy? Sure seems to be. If I came from the Congo, would I lie about my age to try and get paid an NBA salary? No question about it, I would. And I hope he does. But I think the Spurs can do better in this draft.

[Biggems]

If he is older than advertised, the problem isn't about his character - not for me at least. It's that he's a man competing against boys, for the most part, and you have to discount his numbers when you evaluate. I've said it before - there are a bunch of guys in the G-League who would look like stars if they were allowed to go back right now and compete against college boys. Pretty much every season, there are a couple of guys in college who came to basketball late. And the scouting reports always say some flavor of this: "...but he will have to expand his reportoire to succeed at the next level." And I try to watch those guys. Rarely ever do they actually expand their reportoire and become significant at the next level. Remember Bismack Biyombo, and how crazy most people were about his "upside" before the draft? Biyombo is probably Tsiebwe's ceiling in the NBA.

I commented on Tshiebwe a day or two ago, and said that I would really like to see him succeed and get paid. But there are several other big bruisers that will probably be available that have more game, and I think are more likely improve before they're too old for it to matter. Is he a good guy? Sure seems to be. If I came from the Congo, would I lie about my age to try and get paid an NBA salary? No question about it, I would. And I hope he does. But I think the Spurs can do better in this draft.

fair enough argument and no disagreement from me on your take.

[TD 21]

This is an interesting idea but poodle doesn’t really move any needles and a prospect like Banchero can likely return a much more impactful player. With the drop after 5 I’m not so sure a 9th or 10th pick is that enticing.

I hope it is.

If these idiots mess around and quality for the play-in, obviously it'll be even more difficult to pull something like this off. But a team like the Knicks, trying to be competitive while loading up on assets for the next available star, could prefer that package to a single pick.

Moving up into the second tier for Murray would obviously be more likely though.



Agreed...Portland is in a tough spot...they may not even know what they're doing yet.. just trying to get the highest possible pick to have as many options as possible. To a lesser degree we're in the same boat....even if we wanted to package assets to go after a star...who's gonna be available?

Not quite a star, but if the Spurs strikeout on the consensus top 3 + Murray, I could see them pursuing Collins.

Something like Richardson, Spurs 1st, Celtics 1st. Maybe it gets expanded to include either Bogdanovic or Gallinari as well as McDermott.

[Mr. Body]

Why the fuck do people keep wanting John Collins?

[TD 21]

:lmao Poor reading comprehension.

[Mr. Body]

John Collins. Fucking hilarious.

[TD 21]

I said "I could see" and you decided that automatically meant I wanted to see.

I will say though, they're clearly not interested in a full scale re-build, he'd be a good theoretical fit and more than likely better than anyone they draft.

[Dejounte]

IMO, JC has peaked. I don’t think he’s really set that high of a bar for younger players to reach. Just my opinion though.

[scott]

Find a way to turn this year’s draft into Mathurin and Eason, call it day

[TD 21]

Not sure how a relatively healthy (no torn Achilles, ACL, MCL, meniscus, etc.) 24 year old has peaked and even if he had, he's done so at a level the Spurs pick is highly unlikely to reach.

[Dejounte]

Not sure how a relatively healthy (no torn Achilles, ACL, MCL, meniscus, etc.) 24 year old has peaked and even if he had, he's done so at a level the Spurs pick is highly unlikely to reach.

In what ways could his game grow? The only way would be an improved post game, but that doesn’t happen by development. Bigs naturally have it or they don’t. He’s too stiff to be any more than an average ball handler. There’s really not much more improvement to be made. He’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a defensive monster.

JC was selected 19th. It’s not really a stretch to say that the 10th pick or whatever or even their second FRP has some chance to reach his level. Again, I don’t think JC is blowing anyone away with his play.

[Degoat]

Find a way to turn this year’s draft into Mathurin and Eason, call it day

That would be a really sweet scenario I’m high on both of those guys

[TD 21]

In what ways could his game grow? The only way would be an improved post game, but that doesn’t happen by development. Bigs naturally have it or they don’t. He’s too stiff to be any more than an average ball handler. There’s really not much more improvement to be made. He’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a defensive monster.

JC was selected 19th. It’s not really a stretch to say that the 10th pick or whatever or even their second FRP has some chance to reach his level. Again, I don’t think JC is blowing anyone away with his play.

Oh, you mean plateaued. Fair enough.

That's flawed thinking. He's significantly out performed his draft slot and is a top starter or tier below an All-Star. The 10th pick or whatever in this draft is unlikely to equal or best that.

[GAustex]

#5 from Duke
Prolly a pipe dream

[BackHome]

Yeah add 5 and that is probably where we drafting #10 still I guess it gives us a shot at players like Duren, Daniels, Sochan, Tari - Oh we now stacked to make a run for the playoffs...lol............NOT...............SMH... .............It get even shittier it looks like our Boston pick is going to be 27 which really sucks which will probably 99% be a Euro draft and stash

[Mr. Body]

#5 from Duke
Prolly a pipe dream

Why are you making me look up #5 from Duke? Lol. Do these players have names?

[GAustex]

Why are you making me look up #5 from Duke? Lol. Do these players have names?
Bachero or something
Smooth looking PF
Not sure he is tough enough

[BackHome]

Lol people thinking we getting a top 5 draft pick.....

[BackHome]

Kinda like Jaylin Williams from Arkansas I would not mind him with late first or second round pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why the fuck do people keep wanting John Collins? because this team has 1 PF on the entire roster and his name is Keita Bates-Diop. John Collins would be the team's 2nd best player
In what ways could his game grow? The only way would be an improved post game, but that doesn’t happen by development. Bigs naturally have it or they don’t. He’s too stiff to be any more than an average ball handler. There’s really not much more improvement to be made. He’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a defensive monster. JC was selected 19th. It’s not really a stretch to say that the 10th pick or whatever or even their second FRP has some chance to reach his level. Again, I don’t think JC is blowing anyone away with his play. yes, there is not much more room for him to grow his game, but he's not getting enough shots considering his efficiency. His numbers would go up here and he fits to the playing style of this roster

[Mr. Body]

because this team has 1 PF on the entire roster and his name is Keita Bates-Diop. John Collins would be the team's 2nd best player

LMFAO

[The Truth #6]

Banchero, Ivey, Chet, Jabbari. All dead to me now. Can’t wait to focus on power forwards and shooting guards we can target with the 10th pick!

[look_at_g_shred]

because this team has 1 PF on the entire roster and his name is Keita Bates-Diop. John Collins would be the team's 2nd best player yes, there is not much more room for him to grow his game, but he's not getting enough shots considering his efficiency. His numbers would go up here and he fits to the playing style of this roster
I would rather have PJ Washington. Spurs tried to move Jak for him at the deadline. Hopefully those talks pick up again in the summer.

[The Truth #6]

I would rather have PJ Washington. Spurs tried to move Jak for him at the deadline. Hopefully those talks pick up again in the summer.

That proposed trade for PJ Washington and Kai Jones for Yak. Yes, please. There was probably a hangup over draft picks. I’d throw in our lesser FRP, maybe. Have to think about that.

[exstatic]

because this team has 1 PF on the entire roster and his name is Keita Bates-Diop. John Collins would be the team's 2nd best player yes, there is not much more room for him to grow his game, but he's not getting enough shots considering his efficiency. His numbers would go up here and he fits to the playing style of this roster

Ja
len
Smith

Right now, he's 21, will be 22 this summer, is currently 80% of John Collins, and could likely be had for 1/3 the price.

[exstatic]

I would rather have PJ Washington. Spurs tried to move Jak for him at the deadline. Hopefully those talks pick up again in the summer.

They were in talks, but I believe the NEED was on Charlotte's end. They needed a center for the stretch run and the playoffs. They wound up with Trezz Harrell and have fallen into the crapper. They should have parted with the pick we wanted.

[exstatic]

That proposed trade for PJ Washington and Kai Jones for Yak. Yes, please. There was probably a hangup over draft picks. I’d throw in our lesser FRP, maybe. Have to think about that.

F that. They need a Center. We don't need to trade with them. The hangup was their unwillingness to part with the pick we wanted, and they've paid for that mistake by signing Trezz Harrell and falling out of the top 8.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Ja
len
Smith

Right now, he's 21, will be 22 this summer, is currently 80% of John Collins, and could likely be had for 1/3 the price.

He's balling for the Pacers:
17 Games
25.1 Minutes
13.5 Points/game
55.8% shooting percentage
40.3% 3pt %
7.9 Rebounds/game
0.9 Assists
0.4 Steals
1.1 Blocks

I'd take him over Collins for money. 8 boards a game in 25 minutes is the kind of production we desperately need.

[Mr. Body]

That proposed trade for PJ Washington and Kai Jones for Yak. Yes, please. There was probably a hangup over draft picks. I’d throw in our lesser FRP, maybe. Have to think about that.

You'd give up a pick along with by far the best player in the bunch?

[exstatic]

You'd give up a pick along with by far the best player in the bunch?

I really need to play poker with some of these people....

[The Truth #6]

You'd give up a pick along with by far the best player in the bunch?

I said maybe and I’d have to think about it. He may be the best player in a sense but he’s likely not in our long range plans and he hasn’t helped us get to a winning record. Longterm, those two players could help the team more than Yak. Also, we likely can’t bring in all three first round picks this year. Wright has a lot to think about.

[exstatic]

I said maybe and I’d have to think about it. He may be the best player in a sense but he’s likely not in our long range plans and he hasn’t helped us get to a winning record. Longterm, those two players could help the team more than Yak. Also, we likely can’t bring in all three first round picks this year. Wright has a lot to think about.
DeMar wasn’t in our long term plans, and we’ve leveraged 2 FRPs so far.

[Mr. Body]

I said maybe and I’d have to think about it. He may be the best player in a sense but he’s likely not in our long range plans and he hasn’t helped us get to a winning record. Longterm, those two players could help the team more than Yak. Also, we likely can’t bring in all three first round picks this year. Wright has a lot to think about.

Poeltl wouldn't be traded until after the draft. And if you actually want to get rid of him for much worse players, you wring every pick you can out of Orlando.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ja
len
Smith

Right now, he's 21, will be 22 this summer, is currently 80% of John Collins, and could likely be had for 1/3 the price.

I want him too, as back up PF. This team actually needs 2 power forwards. They should definitely go after him.


I would rather have PJ Washington. Spurs tried to move Jak for him at the deadline. Hopefully those talks pick up again in the summer.

He's ok, but not as good of a fit as Collins if you ask me

[ZeusWillJudge]

Find a way to turn this year’s draft into Mathurin and Eason, call it day


I wasn't crazy about Eason with the Spurs own pick, especially when they were sitting up around the 6th worst record. When you get up into that part of the atmosphere, you're hoping for a first option, or at least second option guy. But I wouldn't mind having him on the roster at the right price. If Toronto's pick winds up conveying, and it looks like it will, that would be just about the right price. But I'm starting to believe that some other team might take him before that. He's got potential to be an impact player.

[Mr. Body]

I wasn't crazy about Eason with the Spurs own pick, especially when they were sitting up around the 6th worst record. When you get up into that part of the atmosphere, you're hoping for a first option, or at least second option guy. But I wouldn't mind having him on the roster at the right price. If Toronto's pick winds up conveying, and it looks like it will, that would be just about the right price. But I'm starting to believe that some other team might take him before that. He's got potential to be an impact player.

I think this draft is too shallow and Eason will go in the lottery, but who knows.

[exstatic]

I want him too, as back up PF. This team actually needs 2 power forwards. They should definitely go after him.



He's ok, but not as good of a fit as Collins if you ask me

Collins will cost draft capital that we probably shouldn't spend on a player who's never been an All Star and with an extensive injury history. His second and third years were nice, but he's slid backwards to the point where his fifth year numbers aren't much, if any, better than Jalen's Indy numbers, the first time he's gotten consistent minutes. I'd go for the young kid with development still left ahead of him, and the lower cost. That allows us more time to evaluate young players before having to make financial decisions about the roster.

[PhantomDashCam]

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Interesting if true...

[The Truth #6]

DeMar wasn’t in our long term plans, and we’ve leveraged 2 FRPs so far.

Which was great, but he is also a much better player and so would get a higher return than Yak. PJ and Kai straight up for Yak is obviously preferable to me. To me the bigger picture is that we might get a power forward out of a trade and not the draft by itself. Lots of things can happen.

[The Truth #6]

Poeltl wouldn't be traded until after the draft. And if you actually want to get rid of him for much worse players, you wring every pick you can out of Orlando.

If they can get a better trade, that's great. If the rumors were true, they were already open to trading him, so something is likely going to be considered.

[TD 21]

That proposed trade for PJ Washington and Kai Jones for Yak. Yes, please. There was probably a hangup over draft picks. I’d throw in our lesser FRP, maybe. Have to think about that.

The hang up was over the Spurs asking for the Hornets 1st. My guess is if they end up revisiting it, the compromise will be the Hornets swapping their 1st for the Raptors/Celtics one.

[Ocotillo]

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Interesting if true...

Open Growth plates.:tongue

[BackHome]

Dyson reminds me a lot of Murray with maybe better handles then what he had when he came out

[Dejounte]

If the Spurs get make the playin/playoffs and get the lowest picks possible,

im hoping for any of Eason, Dyson, Liddell, or PBJ. That would be a great draft, in my eyes.

Esp. PBJ. I think he had a fluke bad season (horrendous team around him and injuries) and he would be a steal in that range.

[rascal]

Banchero, Ivey, Chet, Jabbari. All dead to me now. Can’t wait to focus on power forwards and shooting guards we can target with the 10th pick!


Spurs are screwing their pick with these late season wins.

[The Truth #6]

Spurs are screwing their pick with these late season wins.

Agree. Was being sarcastic.

[Degoat]

If the Spurs get make the playin/playoffs and get the lowest picks possible,

im hoping for any of Eason, Dyson, Liddell, or PBJ. That would be a great draft, in my eyes.

Esp. PBJ. I think he had a fluke bad season (horrendous team around him and injuries) and he would be a steal in that range.


I agree on PBJ, when I watch him he looks crazy talented, kinda reminds me of a bigger Zach Lavine. his numbers were god awful tho I wouldn’t mind him with the Toronto pick though.

[Degoat]

Goes without saying, but if the spurs use all three picks

target a big wing, A mobile big man, and potentially a PG because Tre Jones sucks lol

[Mr. Body]

Do people really expect all three picks to be used? They already have a glut of players.

[exstatic]

Do people really expect all three picks to be used? They already have a glut of players.

I think they'll kick at least one of them down the road. Having 3 players come up on an extension at the same time would be non-optimal.

[Mr. Body]

I think they'll kick at least one of them down the road. Having 3 players come up on an extension at the same time would be non-optimal.

Yeah, either that or package a couple.

[cd98]

Who are we going to get with the last pick in the lottery? I'm thinking 14 or maybe 13th pick?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Who are we going to get with the last pick in the lottery? I'm thinking 14 or maybe 13th pick?

It's almost impossible for the Spurs to end up with pick 13 or 14.

[mo7888]

Do people really expect all three picks to be used? They already have a glut of players.

I think we package a pick with a young player to acquire somebody to play alongside DJ and start trying to compete next season.

[exstatic]

It's almost impossible for the Spurs to end up with pick 13 or 14.

It's actually impossible for us to pick 14th. We have 7 more losses than Charlotte, and they only have 6 games left. One more win by Atlanta locks us out of 13, and it may already be the case via tiebreakers, which I haven't been tracking.

It's possible, but unlikely, for us to pick 11th or 12th. They are within range, but both NY and Wash aren't tanking, being on 4 and 2 game win streaks.

[exstatic]

I think we package a pick with a young player to acquire somebody to play alongside DJ and start trying to compete next season.

Our players seem to make the jump in year 3. I'd like to see how Vassell improves this offseason and next season before making a trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's actually impossible for us to pick 14th. We have 7 more losses than Charlotte, and they only have 6 games left. One more win by Atlanta locks us out of 13, and it may already be the case via tiebreakers, which I haven't been tracking.

Well technically it is possible - if the Spurs end up 9th, ahead of Knicks and Wizards as well, then lose in the play in, they'd have the 12th best odds in the lottery. Then if one of 13 and 14 jumps into top 4 Spurs would get pick 13, if both 13 and 14 jump to top 4, then Spurs would have pick 14.

[exstatic]

Well technically it is possible - if the Spurs end up 9th, ahead of Knicks and Wizards as well, then lose in the play in, they'd have the 12th best odds in the lottery. Then if one of 13 and 14 jumps into top 4 Spurs would get pick 13, if both 13 and 14 jump to top 4, then Spurs would have pick 14.

0.005% for both 13 and 14 to jump into the top 4. I'm going to go ahead and call that impossible, and you can call me out if it happens. I'll eat the crow.

[mo7888]

Our players seem to make the jump in year 3. I'd like to see how Vassell improves this offseason and next season before making a trade.

I'm not really concerned with who the young player is in the package...I just think it's time to put a higher end guy alongside dj before his contract is up.

[exstatic]

I'm not really concerned with who the young player is in the package...I just think it's time to put a higher end guy alongside dj before his contract is up.

I'm not talking about holding Vassell out of any trade, I'm talking about not making a trade, because Vassell might be the plugin next to Dejounte. See what you have before you go shopping.

[mo7888]

I'm not talking about holding Vassell out of any trade, I'm talking about not making a trade, because Vassell might be the plugin next to Dejounte. See what you have before you go shopping.

Yea, I'm not really in favor of that model. I think we're in the position where we lose dj for nothing when his contract is up if we don't put a competitive team around him this summer and I don't want to just 'hope' Vassell or someone on the roster makes a big leap to get there. If we're going to take that route then trade dj and extract that value now with the future picks he'd bring. If we're keeping dj then cash in some chips to put at least one high level known product beside him this summer.

[exstatic]

Yea, I'm not really in favor of that model. I think we're in the position where we lose dj for nothing when his contract is up if we don't put a competitive team around him this summer and I don't want to just 'hope' Vassell or someone on the roster makes a big leap to get there. If we're going to take that route then trade dj and extract that value now with the future picks he'd bring. If we're keeping dj then cash in some chips to put at least one high level known product beside him this summer.

He has two more seasons after this one. I've seen nothing to indicate that he's anything but all in.

[MultiTroll]

Is there another hidden type the Spurs have their eye on in the draft?

[Mr. Body]

Is there another hidden type the Spurs have their eye on in the draft?

Yes.

[BatManu20]

Spurs barely hanging on to that 8 spot right now but we’ll most likely wind up selecting 10-11 by the season’s end after we pass the tanking Wizards and shitty lakers, and depending on if we pass the Pelicans or not.

[exstatic]

Spurs barely hanging on to that 8 spot right now but we’ll most likely wind up selecting 10-11 by the season’s end after we pass the tanking Wizards and shitty lakers, and depending on if we pass the Pelicans or not.

Wizards and NY aren't tanking. They've won 2 and 4 consecutive games, respectively. The tanking line is clear, and it starts with Portland and includes anyone with currently higher picks.

Passing Lakers puts us at 9, and passing NO would put us at 10.

[BatManu20]

Future Spur Tari Eason has declared for the draft.


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[PhantomDashCam]

For the Dyson Daniels’ fans…
Hype in full effect here in Australia.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba/nba-2022-draft-board-mock-draft-projection-lottery-dyson-daniels-mike-schmitz-jonathan-givony/news-story/cc35596433fed99ad96ae938dcaf4e59

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[BatManu20]

Dejounte will be happy to have another Seattle guy in the locker room. He’ll have to change his # though.


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[Degoat]

Been spending the last few days watching clips of potential draftees and guys…. John Butler from FSU! He’s really interesting imo, 7ft 1 and actually moves like a guard. Would love the spurs to gamble and grab him with one of their picks

[PhantomDashCam]

Been spending the last few days watching clips of potential draftees and guys…. John Butler from FSU! He’s really interesting imo, 7ft 1 and actually moves like a guard. Would love the spurs to gamble and grab him with one of their picks

:tu…if he declares…and if he attends the combine :lol

[NickiRasgo]

Tari Eason at some highlights looks like either Paul George or Dante Cunningham. lol If the Spurs consider to pick him, hope he has a good attitude and work ethic. He got the tools but not sure if his skills will translate in the NBA since he looks stiff sometimes and struggles how he control the ball but yeah, too early to tell.

[BatManu20]

Given where we’ll be drafting, I think these will be our top 3 targets:

1. Tari Eason
2. Dyson Daniels
3. Jeremy Sochan

Daniels and Sochan are both 2 years younger than Eason and that could obviously sway the Spurs. But I really think one of these three will be the pick.

[Degoat]

My hope is that there are some risers in this years draft and a guy like AJ Griffin or Keegan Murray fall to wherever we’re picking.

Imo take the best player available at our pick and with the other picks maybe address team needs

[Degoat]

My hope is that there are some risers in this years draft and a guy like AJ Griffin or Keegan Murray fall to wherever we’re picking.

Imo take the best player available at our pick and with the other picks maybe address team needs

[objective]

Eason had the same defensive impact stats at two different schools, so he's clearly not a product of a system

But I am concerned about his ability to play big with that frame. Either he has the lowest shoulders attached to a torso I've ever seen or an unusually long neck and trap combo

[exstatic]

Do people really think we’re going to select and keep 3 first rounders in one draft?

[slick'81]

Do people really think we’re going to select and keep 3 first rounders in one draft?


hell no! Having the capital is gravy though

[BatManu20]

No. I think Spurs will try to package 2 or 3 picks to move up in the lottery (probably to target a PF like Keegan Murray). I just don’t think any teams will take the bait.

If/when that doesn’t work, I think they’ll either try to trade some combination of their last 3 Picks to move up further in the 1st Round after their 1st pick.

If that doesn’t work either, then I think they’ll trade one of those picks to a team like the Lakers for a future 1st, or draft-and-stash a European player like Nikola Jović if he falls to our 2nd pick.

[PhantomDashCam]

They certainly won’t keep all 4 picks but there are scenarios with potential draft and stash candidates, where I can see them keeping all 3 firsts…

[duncan2150]

Do people really think we’re going to select and keep 3 first rounders in one draft?

I will say no first but there's a scenario where they draft three guys with one draft and stash.

[XDT76]

Do people really think we’re going to select and keep 3 first rounders in one draft?

If no one wants to trade with us, then we will have no choice. However we have the draft and stash route which I believe is not desirable this draft.

[exstatic]

If no one wants to trade with us, then we will have no choice. However we have the draft and stash route which I believe is not desirable this draft.

There are 8 teams without a FRP. From the group, you can safely eliminate the two LA teams, because they are each in heavy future pick debt, due to dumb trades. You can also almost eliminate Boston and Toronto, as we just got picks from them. That leaves Utah, Philly, Phoenix, and Cleveland.

There are also often teams that want another FRP to take a chance on a player outside of the lottery. You leverage a future first from them, and a second as the convenience fee.

[jjspur]

There are 8 teams without a FRP. From the group, you can safely eliminate the two LA teams, because they are each in heavy future pick debt, due to dumb trades. You can also almost eliminate Boston and Toronto, as we just got picks from them. That leaves Utah, Philly, Phoenix, and Cleveland.

There are also often teams that want another FRP to take a chance on a player outside of the lottery. You leverage a future first from them, and a second as the convenience fee.
Great strategy ! Lets really take advantage of some bonehead GM.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Spurs barely hanging on to that 8 spot right now but we’ll most likely wind up selecting 10-11 by the season’s end after we pass the tanking Wizards and shitty lakers, and depending on if we pass the Pelicans or not.


Assume the Spurs win just enough games to wind up with a late lottery pick, which seems likely:


I think I said in another post that I expected to see them around 11 or 12. It looks like 11, unless they win a couple of play-in games and move all the way out of the lottery.

[KingKev]

Tari Eason at some highlights looks like either Paul George or Dante Cunningham. lol If the Spurs consider to pick him, hope he has a good attitude and work ethic. He got the tools but not sure if his skills will translate in the NBA since he looks stiff sometimes and struggles how he control the ball but yeah, too early to tell.

Quite the divide. I truthfully have only watched hi-lights and PG was the first player comparison I saw. I know nothing about college ball though.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Been spending the last few days watching clips of potential draftees and guys…. John Butler from FSU! He’s really interesting imo, 7ft 1 and actually moves like a guard. Would love the spurs to gamble and grab him with one of their picks

I posted back in December that I thought he would be a great choice for our 2nd round pick. I've never seen a 7 footer get his butt so low and move his feet on defense like he can do. Likely has a lot to do with being a coach's son.

[Mr. Body]

This draft seems top heavy and loses steam very rapidly after top 10. And I don't think the top is all that heavy. Almost every year, though, it seems like there are very good players who get missed - the Herb Jones types. I don't mean stars, but really good role-players.

I'm down with going for a Tari Eason type, if he checks the boxes on character and fit. We need a high motor banger at the PF spot.

[R. DeMurre]

This draft seems top heavy and loses steam very rapidly after top 10. And I don't think the top is all that heavy. Almost every year, though, it seems like there are very good players who get missed - the Herb Jones types. I don't mean stars, but really good role-players.

I'm down with going for a Tari Eason type, if he checks the boxes on character and fit. We need a high motor banger at the PF spot.


Gotta hand it to the scouting team of the Pelicans-- the trio of rookies they landed are impressive: Trey Murphy lll at #17, Herb Jones at #35, and the undrafted Jose Alvarado.

[Ocotillo]

Gotta hand it to the scouting team of the Pelicans-- the trio of rookies they landed are impressive: Trey Murphy lll at #17, Herb Jones at #35, and the undrafted Jose Alvarado.

Yeah, New Orleans and Memphis have been doing some good drafting lately.

[Seventyniner]

There are 6 teams with 31-33 losses and 6 more with 28-29.

CLE, MIN (33)
TOR, CHI (32)
UTA, DEN (31)
PHI, BOS, DAL (29)
MIL, MIA, GSW (28)

If the Celtics go on a late season swoon without Williams, though it seems unlikely, they could fall behind one or more of the teams with 31-33 losses and be in the #21 or #22 draft slot. Alternately, if they continue their hot streak through the end of the season they could finish as the East #1 seed and ahead of the West #3, then the Spurs would get the 28th pick. Lots of variability here.

Naturally we should be rooting against the Celtics and for every other team in that 28-33 loss group, especially the other 28-29 loss teams. Boston finishing at the bottom of that group of 6 would give the Spurs the #23 pick.

The Celtics finishing schedule is vs MIA, vs IND, vs WAS, @CHI, @MIL, @MEM.

Memphis will almost certainly be locked into the #2 seed by that last game and there is a very good chance the Celtics will be still fighting for seeding. Indiana is most likely going to try and tank the rest of the way to drop past the Thunder. Washington is at least trying to win right now but so are the Celtics.

The other three games (vs MIA, @CHI, @MIL) should be hard-fought because all four teams (those three plus Boston) are fighting for seeding. I think Boston's most likely record in the last 6 games is 4-2, putting them at 51-31. That would put them ahead of the entire 31-33 loss group because I doubt Utah or Denver wins out, and probably ahead of around 3 teams in the 28-29 loss group. That would give the Spurs the #26 pick so I will use that as my baseline expectation for now.

[CGD]

Do people really think we’re going to select and keep 3 first rounders in one draft?

It’s a good question. If they do, roster limits wise they’ll have tough choices on folks like Keita, Jock, Romeo and Tre. My hope is that they consolidate 2 into 1, or find a way to roll over the BOS pick to next year (stash, or trade for Top-18 protected 2023).

Theoretically that’s the upshot of the 4 picks (including the improving LAL one too). If they really want a guy at 7 for example, they should have the amo to move up from a 10-12 range of their natural pick.

[Ariel]

Given where we’ll be drafting, I think these will be our top 3 targets:

1. Tari Eason
2. Dyson Daniels
3. Jeremy Sochan

Daniels and Sochan are both 2 years younger than Eason and that could obviously sway the Spurs. But I really think one of these three will be the pick.
I would sign that draft right now, but the chance that happens is very slim IMO. I was hoping for the chance at a top 4 pick to get Ivey or Banchero, or at least a top 8 pick and getting Mathurin, Johnny Davis or Shaedon Sharpe, but since the chances of that happening are slimmer by the minute (thanks to the fucking Lakers, whom I want to win for the first time ever and they are going down in flames). So there's a real chance we pick at 15, 19/20 and 24/25... and in that case, I think all three might be gone by the first pick, very likely by the second, and almost certainly by the third. But getting 2 of those + Kendall Brown or Jovic would be a pretty good draft given the circumstances, IMO.

[Ariel]

This draft's star potential certainly appears to go down steeply after the first 5 picks, but since that seems to be a pipe dream by now, Eason sounds pretty good.

[widowmaker]

Thats it ill be at the game Friday.

[PhantomDashCam]

I would sign that draft right now, but the chance that happens is very slim IMO. I was hoping for the chance at a top 4 pick to get Ivey or Banchero, or at least a top 8 pick and getting Mathurin, Johnny Davis or Shaedon Sharpe, but since the chances of that happening are slimmer by the minute (thanks to the fucking Lakers, whom I want to win for the first time ever and they are going down in flames). So there's a real chance we pick at 15, 19/20 and 24/25... and in that case, I think all three might be gone by the first pick, very likely by the second, and almost certainly by the third. But getting 2 of those + Kendall Brown or Jovic would be a pretty good draft given the circumstances, IMO.

I think Johnny Davis slips some, maybe even to late lottery.

Top 4 looks locked (barring injury in pre-draft process), then you have a bunch of guys - Griffin, Murray, Sharpe, Duren, Mathurin, Dyson Daniels, Johnny Davis and perhaps a few more who are probably jockeying for position.

Out of those listed, for me it’s easy to envision at least a role to be played, initially when they enter the NBA.
With Davis, I’m not so sure…

What his position coming into the NBA? If he’s a SG, it means he’ll have to guard some 1s and 3s. Can he be a consistent perimeter shooter?

He’s had some terrific games and a great year overall but these questions may linger…

[Ariel]

I think Johnny Davis slips some, maybe even to late lottery.

Top 4 looks locked (barring injury in pre-draft process), then you have a bunch of guys - Griffin, Murray, Sharpe, Duren, Mathurin, Dyson Daniels, Johnny Davis and perhaps a few more who are probably jockeying for position.

Out of those listed, for me it’s easy to envision at least a role to be played, initially when they enter the NBA.
With Davis, I’m not so sure…

What his position coming into the NBA? If he’s a SG, it means he’ll have to guard some 1s and 3s. Can he be a consistent perimeter shooter?

He’s had some terrific games and a great year overall but these questions may linger…
I think he might slip a bit from his highest projected spot (no. 5 a while ago), but I don't see him slipping past the first 10 picks. He sure needs to extend his range to the 3 pt line, but he's a good FT shooter and he can hit the midrange, I'd be willing to gamble on him getting there. He's smart and crafty, seems like a level headed guy. He's 6'4"/6'5", that's not great but adequate SG size... all prospects at that range have uncertainties and he's not the exception, but if he succeeds at addressing those areas his potential is pretty high and a worthy gamble.

Regarding the rest or your shortlist, I like it quite a bit, but AJ Griffin's injury history is very concerning and I'm not all that impressed with the rest of his game, Duren is raw and born in the wrong era, and Mathurin is unlikely to go much lower than 5-7 IMO. So depending on where the Spurs end up picking, he's one of the guys I'd be happy to take.

[BackHome]

Yeah, he might slip but I don’t think he gets past 9 he gets you points and he can defend and rebound pretty good for someone his size only thing he needs to work on his 3 pointer which he should be able to do.

So that probably leaves:

Jalen Duren - C
Shaedon Sharpe - SG
Tari Eason - SF/PF
Dyson Daniels - SG

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Johnny Davis's 3 point shot is fine. His shooting percentages are a bit misleading because he's the only good player on a bad team, so every defense keys on him and a huge number of his shot attempts are difficult, contested, off the dribble. In a different role and playing with better players I believe he'll shoot just fine. There's one caveat, though - a part of this might be because he simply cannot create enough separation for himself, which is worrying. I suppose this is what the scouts should evaluate and would determine his draft position.

[Dejounte]

Banchero is my top option as a player who I feel would fit in as an alpha dog go-to scorer the Spurs sorely need

but since that is becoming more and more unrealistic,

I can’t help but feel that Liddell is the next best thing to provide that, yes, even moreso than Keegan Murray…

Liddell’s scoring prowess and advanced skillset in the post while not needing to handle the ball for more than a few seconds at a time makes me easily envision him fit in flawlessly in the “second big” role Landale is playing right now. Liddell is a great shot blocker and can shoot 3’s as well.

With Keldon’s newfound versatile scoring ability, there’s no redundancy there either if he and Liddell were to share time on the court together.

if Liddell is who I think he is and can become a cross between a LaMarcus Aldridge-lite and Julius Randle, then it would add a new layer to the Spurs’ offense and make them much more deadly. There’s nobody quite like Liddell that has come out in several years.


https://youtu.be/oLCAt532a_g

[duncan2150]

Banchero is my top option as a player who I feel would fit in as an alpha dog go-to scorer the Spurs sorely need

but since that is becoming more and more unrealistic,

I can’t help but feel that Liddell is the next best thing to provide that, yes, even moreso than Keegan Murray…

Liddell’s scoring prowess and advanced skillset in the post while not needing to handle the ball for more than a few seconds at a time makes me easily envision him fit in flawlessly in the “second big” role Landale is playing right now. Liddell is a great shot blocker and can shoot 3’s as well.

With Keldon’s newfound versatile scoring ability, there’s no redundancy there either if he and Liddell were to share time on the court together.

if Liddell is who I think he is and can become a cross between a LaMarcus Aldridge-lite and Julius Randle, then it would add a new layer to the Spurs’ offense and make them much more deadly. There’s nobody quite like Liddell that has come out in several years.


https://youtu.be/oLCAt532a_g

I have some doubts about him but i hope you're right

One thing i don't agree is that sometimes he needs the ball a lot in the post, like 4-5 dribbles before a shoot. Not a fan of a pair with Johnson, they are not similar but having two 6'6/ 6'7 at the 3/4 is not that good imo tough they can rebound and Liddel can block.

After all that, i think Liddel could be an efficient nba player but i don't totally see the fit.

[The Truth #6]

Banchero is my top option as a player who I feel would fit in as an alpha dog go-to scorer the Spurs sorely need

but since that is becoming more and more unrealistic,

I can’t help but feel that Liddell is the next best thing to provide that, yes, even moreso than Keegan Murray…

Liddell’s scoring prowess and advanced skillset in the post while not needing to handle the ball for more than a few seconds at a time makes me easily envision him fit in flawlessly in the “second big” role Landale is playing right now. Liddell is a great shot blocker and can shoot 3’s as well.

With Keldon’s newfound versatile scoring ability, there’s no redundancy there either if he and Liddell were to share time on the court together.

if Liddell is who I think he is and can become a cross between a LaMarcus Aldridge-lite and Julius Randle, then it would add a new layer to the Spurs’ offense and make them much more deadly. There’s nobody quite like Liddell that has come out in several years.


https://youtu.be/oLCAt532a_g

High praise. But I’ll say, your evaluations are usually spot on.

[mo7888]

Banchero is my top option as a player who I feel would fit in as an alpha dog go-to scorer the Spurs sorely need

but since that is becoming more and more unrealistic,

I can’t help but feel that Liddell is the next best thing to provide that, yes, even moreso than Keegan Murray…

Liddell’s scoring prowess and advanced skillset in the post while not needing to handle the ball for more than a few seconds at a time makes me easily envision him fit in flawlessly in the “second big” role Landale is playing right now. Liddell is a great shot blocker and can shoot 3’s as well.

With Keldon’s newfound versatile scoring ability, there’s no redundancy there either if he and Liddell were to share time on the court together.

if Liddell is who I think he is and can become a cross between a LaMarcus Aldridge-lite and Julius Randle, then it would add a new layer to the Spurs’ offense and make them much more deadly. There’s nobody quite like Liddell that has come out in several years.


https://youtu.be/oLCAt532a_g

I'm pretty high on him as well but, not as high as I am on Keegan... I have Liddell in the 10-15 range... I think Randle is a natural comp...hopefully his shooting from 3 is better than Randle though... have you seen anything on Liddell's wingspan/ measurements as compared to Randle?

[The Truth #6]

I couldn't find too much specific breakdown on EJ Liddel but found something here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53KnyFxskw


This analyst mentions a wingspan of 7', among other interesting details.

[Russ]

have you seen anything on Liddell's wingspan/ measurements as compared to Randle?

Liddell had a 6’11.75” wingspan at the 2021 NBA Draft Combine.

Randle was 6'11" in 2013.

[The Truth #6]

Dark Horse picks (if Brian Wright wants to go "Josh Primo" again and surprise us, so to speak)

1. Blake Wesley (Notre Dame)
2. Josh Minott (Memphis)

Both young and raw with tantalizing physical gifts.

Not saying this will happen, but looking at oddball choices, and these two could fit the profile. Just saying.

[slick'81]

As long as its not another 6'4 shooting guard im good

[Mr. Body]

Liddel reminds me of two fairly recent OSU draft picks -- Jared Sullinger and our own Deshaun Thomas. I just don't think Big Ten players translate even to the NCAAT much less the NBA much and especially these undersize guys.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Banchero is my top option as a player who I feel would fit in as an alpha dog go-to scorer the Spurs sorely need

but since that is becoming more and more unrealistic,

I can’t help but feel that Liddell is the next best thing to provide that, yes, even moreso than Keegan Murray…

Liddell’s scoring prowess and advanced skillset in the post while not needing to handle the ball for more than a few seconds at a time makes me easily envision him fit in flawlessly in the “second big” role Landale is playing right now. Liddell is a great shot blocker and can shoot 3’s as well.

With Keldon’s newfound versatile scoring ability, there’s no redundancy there either if he and Liddell were to share time on the court together.

if Liddell is who I think he is and can become a cross between a LaMarcus Aldridge-lite and Julius Randle, then it would add a new layer to the Spurs’ offense and make them much more deadly. There’s nobody quite like Liddell that has come out in several years.


https://youtu.be/oLCAt532a_g


I wouldn't hate Liddell. I was high on Malaki Branham as a bargain pick (still am), but Liddell carried that team without question and Branham may get taken too high to be a bargain now. He's not soem flash in the pan guy who strings together some good games against weak competition. He's gotten significantly better each season, at pretty much everything, which doesn't usually happen with a guy who doesn't work hard. He's bigger and stronger than Keegan Murray, and he's fearless. And as important as everything on that list, he can shoot the 3 at a high enough clip to force defenses to honor it.

I'm not sure I buy the alpha dog, first option part, but he would be a solid puzzle piece. I don't know if he's got the handles to put the ball on the floor more than once at the next level, which for me is sort of important for an alpha. Bit he at least has the mentality to put a team in his shoulders.

[ZeusWillJudge]

One more thing about Liddell that I don't see people mentioning. He was 18 in the nation for blocks. I think he had 3 or more blocks in half of Ohio State's games this year. He's 6'8" with a 7'+ wingspan, but he also has good footwork and knows how to use his size to his advantage. I was really watching for Branham, but the more I saw from Liddell, the more I liked him. I sort of expected him to come back for a fourth year, and I don't really know why.

Yeah, I agree with you Dejounte. I'm not sure I would pick him if the Spurs luck into a Top 4. But anywhere else they're likely to draft I would think he should at least be a contender.

[The Truth #6]

As long as its not another 6'4 shooting guard im good

Blake Wesley is a 6'5" shooting guard, so I guess we're good!

[duncan2150]

One more thing about Liddell that I don't see people mentioning. He was 18 in the nation for blocks. I think he had 3 or more blocks in half of Ohio State's games this year. He's 6'8" with a 7'+ wingspan, but he also has good footwork and knows how to use his size to his advantage. I was really watching for Branham, but the more I saw from Liddell, the more I liked him. I sort of expected him to come back for a fourth year, and I don't really know why.

Yeah, I agree with you Dejounte. I'm not sure I would pick him if the Spurs luck into a Top 4. But anywhere else they're likely to draft I would think he should at least be a contender.

The progress on blocks are legit, i think He has a really good IQ. Still not that high on him, about the height he's 6'7 with shoes not 6'8.

One thing about liddel is the rebouding. Numbers are not that high.
I'm Ok with him with one of our late pick, imo we could find more upside with a pick 9/11.

[duncan2150]

Dark Horse picks (if Brian Wright wants to go "Josh Primo" again and surprise us, so to speak)

1. Blake Wesley (Notre Dame)
2. Josh Minott (Memphis)

Both young and raw with tantalizing physical gifts.

Not saying this will happen, but looking at oddball choices, and these two could fit the profile. Just saying.

Wesley is more advanced than Minnot. He showed really Nice things this year with Notre Dame.
Imo he could be really good

[RC_Drunkford]

Orazio Cauchi: Officials from San Antonio Spurs and Minnesota Timberwolves are in Cremona to take a close look at Italian point guard Matteo Spagnolo (https://hoopshype.com/social/)

[BackHome]

I Ok with using our second or third pick but I am trying to stay away from players that are undersized at positions like Keldon at PF with our first pick.

[Mr. Body]

Wonder if the option to keep Spagnolo in Europe is possible or appealing.

[CGD]

Spagnolo with Lakers pick

[Dejounte]

Love that guy’s handles (Spagnalo)

[slick'81]

Blake Wesley is a 6'5" shooting guard, so I guess we're good!


just barely. Itll also mean the end of lonnie

[exstatic]

I did a Google, Spagnolo’s 19, and expected to go in the second round. Why would you declare at 19, if you’re second round material?

[CGD]

I did a Google, Spagnolo’s 19, and expected to go in the second round. Why would you declare at 19, if you’re second round material?

Perhaps he knows he’ll never be an elite talent and his strategy is to elevate his profile in Europe. Maybe an nba team owning your rights might mean something for the next contract?

[Mr. Body]

I did a Google, Spagnolo’s 19, and expected to go in the second round. Why would you declare at 19, if you’re second round material?

He can pull out if he doesn't get into the 1st round, can't he? Like Prkacin last year. (Who didn't help himself this year.)

[objective]

I liked Spagnolo a lot on offense but 3 halves of ball showed some of the worst defense I've ever seen, so awful I bailed on finishing the second game

[Mnky]

I did a Google, Spagnolo’s 19, and expected to go in the second round. Why would you declare at 19, if you’re second round material?

Some European players don't mind their draft spot because they're already getting paid to play, and would prefer not to move halfway across the world and get stuck with a crappy organization. If they talk to teams and get their promises etc for later picks in the first or early second, it would make some logic to come if it means avoiding a hell hole for the first four Years of your career. Of course nothing is ever promised, but I definitely see the sense in attempting to avoid perennial lottery teams and have read articles on that mindset for players.

Not saying it's what they're all doing or anyone is doing it for that matter, just mentioning the different mindsets players have coming into the league.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

European players usually begin rising up draft boards after the NCAA tournament. The way Spagnolo and Procida have been playing I'd expect them to go late first or early second, depending on their contract/buyout situations. Some NCAA players deciding to return back to school will also help push them higher.

[offset formation]

I liked Spagnolo a lot on offense but 3 halves of ball showed some of the worst defense I've ever seen, so awful I bailed on finishing the second game

Yup, that was some rookie year Lonnie level D.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spagnolo getting coached by Manu is intriguing. They could stash him. By the way he‘s a terrible shooter. But being this young he could develop into something

[exstatic]

Spagnolo getting coached by Manu is intriguing. They could stash him. By the way he‘s a terrible shooter. But being this young he could develop into something

Apparently, he’s also a terrible defender.

[ZeusWillJudge]

The progress on blocks are legit, i think He has a really good IQ. Still not that high on him, about the height he's 6'7 with shoes not 6'8.

One thing about liddel is the rebouding. Numbers are not that high.
I'm Ok with him with one of our late pick, imo we could find more upside with a pick 9/11.


You're right about the height. I saw him on the floor with Dixon from Villanova, and he looked every bit as tall. Dixon is probably listed as taller than he really is, too. He e really is only a half inch taller than Keldon. He plays bigger than that, and the 7' wingspan has to help, but he's nowhere near that 6'8". I guess 8 boards a game isn't that bad for a 6'5.5" guy.

LOL. I saw him get 7 or 8 blocks in a game early in the season. And he bodies up against some pretty big guys in the paint pretty effectively. No way I would have seen him as 6'5.5". That's why they have a combine.

[CGD]

Wow, that Lakers second is now #38, didn’t appreciate that. The DET pick we swapped is #33, which is only 5 spots earlier.

[Ariel]

Wow, that Lakers second is now #38, didn’t appreciate that. The DET pick we swapped is #33, which is only 5 spots earlier.
Yup, that's the only positive. At this pace, they might as well go winless the rest of the way and hope for a couple of Sacramento wins to make it 37... If we make but lose the play in, that should leave us at #9 with a pretty high second rounder that might be worth something.

[Russ]

Spagnolo getting coached by Manu is intriguing. They could stash him. By the way he‘s a terrible shooter. But being this young he could develop into something

I haven't really looked into this guy yet but his stats at Real Madrid don't indicate he's a bad shooter -- 86% from the line and .446 from three.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Any team that picks Chet over Banchero or Jabari are idiots imo

[CGD]

Man, college basketball can be offensive to the eyes some times. This Duke/UNc came is ugly as hell.

[PhantomDashCam]

Any team that picks Chet over Banchero or Jabari are idiots imo

It feels like it could come down to who picks 1st to where he goes.

I still like him number two behind Holmgren as I feel Chet influences the game significantly even when he isn’t scoring.

[objective]

Haven't studied Mathurin as much as I would have liked but I would take him over just about anyone mocked at pick 5 on down.

Reminds me a lot of Beal, has potential to be a #2 scorer or even better, and the Spurs need as much as possible. I'm less concerned about positional overlap or crowding if the draftee has good size but more importantly real scoring potential, something I am pessimistic about Primo or Vassell having.

1. Mathurin
2. Duren
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3. Eason
4. Whatever scrub is left in this trash draft

[BackHome]

I like Procida he got the athleticism and I like his 3 ball would not mind using Boston’s pick or Flakers pick depending on who is available.

[Ariel]

Holmgreen and AJ Griffin are the two players I've been underwhelmed by the most.
Holmgreen looks like an elite rim protector but his dominance drops like a rock when he's faced with real opposition (like vs Memphis) and whenever Gonzaga needed offense it was Timme who carried them.
AJ Griffin's jumper is money, but other than that nothing in his game made me think he's worthy of a top 5/7 pick like he's projected on most mocks, and he reportedly has serious health concerns.
From what I've seen in the NCAA tournament, I'd take Banchero, Ivey or Smith over Holmgreen, and Mathurin, Tari Eason, Johnny Davis and others over Griffin.
Also it surprises me that Caleb Love has been flying under the radar so much, he's been huge for North Carolina and he's not projected to be drafted at all by most sites.
From scouting reports Harrison Ingram and Blake Wesley sound intriguing for the 2nd rounder, but I haven't seen either, so...

[Uriel]

Armando Bacot anyone?

[SPURt]

Caleb Love has been balling out, how is he not drafted at all in most mock drafts?