Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

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Okc was in the play in game?

Lol. Were we there? Well not for 3.5 quarters anyway...

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The only reason OKC didn't have an equal record with SA is because they chose to lose, not because they had a big talent deficit with SA. If they had played horford, SGA, Dort, Giddey, etc when they could have the last 2 years.

Spurs and OKC had near identical winning percentages in 20-21 in games where SGA played

[rascal]

Okc was in the play in game?

You commented on the Pels.

[rascal]

The only reason OKC didn't have an equal record with SA is because they chose to lose, not because they had a big talent deficit with SA. If they had played horford, SGA, Dort, Giddey, etc when they could have the last 2 years.

Spurs and OKC had near identical winning percentages in 20-21 in games where SGA played

Yeah, they were clearly one of the teams that tanked. They know the only way up for them is to get high draft picks.

[keithington1]

What about a simple trade back with the Hornets. Spurs can take Agbaji at 13 and Eason/ Dieng/ Whoever at 15. Trade for 1-2 future first with 20 or 25. And then take Kamagate or whoever you might desire. And then there is still 38. Options on options.

MY rotation barring trades would be:
Murray Jones Rookie (Rollins, Nembhard)
Vassell Agbaji Richardson
Primo Johnson McDermott
Eason FA (Jalen McDaniels Eric Paschal Jalen Smith) KBD
Poetl Kamagate Collins

Lonnie? Wieskamp? Landale? Langford?

[BackHome]

No they don't...they have more assets in draft capital and they may look better after this draft but today they don't look as good..

Umm did you watch the play in game where we got bitch slapped by them?

[PhantomDashCam]

My Five I'm running with this year who likely a chance to be available when we pick through 9, 20 + 25.
It obviously excludes consensus top 4 and also Murray and Mathurin, who have shown to be likely picked in the top 7.

G: Dyson Daniels (9)
G: Blake Wesley (20)
F: Jeremy Sochan (9)
F: Justin Lewis (25)
C: Jalen Duren (9)

Sochan's my overall favorite prospect out of that group.

[dokdok]

At this point if we take Sochan I'll be happy. Hopefully its not another Primo (still like him alot btw) situation where we massively overreach for a player we could trade down for easily to take with our later picks.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/MavsDraft/status/1538721195448672256

[Ditty]

https://youtu.be/MKtJFP1-foshttps://youtu.be/MKtJFP1-fos (https://youtu.be/MKtJFP1-fos)

I’m not in love with Sharpe as much as I was about two months ago. Yeah I get that his recent interviews are not the best but I doubt Kawhi interviewed well himself. Guys just want to play basketball at the end of the day. Yeah he had some red flags at Kentucky but he will grow up. There’s no doubt that he has top five god given athleticism/talent especially in this workout. I’m starting to really like Sochan but if there is a chance to draft Sharpe if Mathurin is off the board. I would take this risk. I see a more athletic Brandon Roy.

[JuneJive]

What about Kenny Lofton with one of the later picks?

Was he even mentioned before?

[mo7888]

Umm did you watch the play in game where we got bitch slapped by them?

I was talking about the okc love here and just replied to the wrong rascal comment...

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/ryanhammer09/status/1538627883035504641

[Payote75]

As not well as Sharpe's interviews have sounded I'm not willing to base his entire career on that or se of the other media narrative stuff. If the spurs take him I trust there judgement the poster above that mentioned Kawitter is spot on and he still doesn't interview well not even play basketball toich. I think Sharpe will be this years version of Donavon Mitchell if he indeed slips someone hopefully us will luck out especially if he has a chip on his shoulder.

[Degoat]

As not well as Sharpe's interviews have sounded I'm not willing to base his entire career on that or se of the other media narrative stuff. If the spurs take him I trust there judgement the poster above that mentioned Kawitter is spot on and he still doesn't interview well not even play basketball toich. I think Sharpe will be this years version of Donavon Mitchell if he indeed slips someone hopefully us will luck out especially if he has a chip on his shoulder.

I agree, even with the poor interview answers I’m still intrigued IF the spurs were really blown away at his workout

[KingKev]

He tore his ACL. It would be cap space rental to get him with a FRP from Philly attached.

we could cut him before July 1. Philly will want more than McDougal if they are giving an FRP.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/matthew_tynan/status/1538940285094338563?s=21

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/thetyjager/status/1538941489883004934?s=21

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/matthew_tynan/status/1538940285094338563?s=21

"I can, with certainty, say I'm not sure I'm allowed to say I worked out with the Spurs. But I might have. Maybe not, though."

[DPG21920]

https://youtu.be/MKtJFP1-foshttps://youtu.be/MKtJFP1-fos (https://youtu.be/MKtJFP1-fos)

I’m not in love with Sharpe as much as I was about two months ago. Yeah I get that his recent interviews are not the best but I doubt Kawhi interviewed well himself. Guys just want to play basketball at the end of the day. Yeah he had some red flags at Kentucky but he will grow up. There’s no doubt that he has top five god given athleticism/talent especially in this workout. I’m starting to really like Sochan but if there is a chance to draft Sharpe if Mathurin is off the board. I would take this risk. I see a more athletic Brandon Roy.

Guy just wants to play basketball, but it was said guy himself who said it was his choice NOT to play basketball…

[scott]

All this arguing about whether OKC is in better shape than the Spurs is just like the chatter of whether the Rockets are in better shape. They are still OKC and the Rockets. Throw the Kings and Magic in there and you've got 4 teams that seem more interested in drafting high than they have interest in winning basketball games. Those franchises are playing another game, where it isn't entirely certain what the outcome they hope to achieve is. None of them are to be modeled after.

[Russ]

As not well as Sharpe's interviews have sounded I'm not willing to base his entire career on that or se of the other media narrative stuff. If the spurs take him I trust there judgement the poster above that mentioned Kawitter is spot on and he still doesn't interview well not even play basketball toich. I think Sharpe will be this years version of Donavon Mitchell if he indeed slips someone hopefully us will luck out especially if he has a chip on his shoulder.

Sharpe is a good kid from a good family who plays the right way (i.e., involves his teammates and makes them better).

His big sin is that he brings up the rear in the false modesty derby.

I'd rather have him any day than some smiling phony who plays his best game off the court rather than on it.

[Mr. Body]

Sharpe is a good kid from a good family who plays the right way (i.e., involves his teammates and makes them better).

His big sin is that he brings up the rear in the false modesty derby.

I'd rather have him any day than some smiling phony who plays his best game off the court rather than on it.

We've now located Shaeden Sharpe's mom.

[Russ]

We've now located Shaeden Sharpe's mom.

Welcome to the family. :)

https://sportblis.com/ezoimgfmt/i.imgur.com/MyNhxQm.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs:513x683/rscb11

[Degoat]

Y’all gonna love this one lmao the ringer updated a column called Team needs and they’re suggestions for the spurs pick at 9 is AJ Griffin, Shaedon Sharpe, Or Ousmane Dieng

[Maddog]

Y’all gonna love this one lmao the ringer updated a column called Team needs and they’re suggestions for the spurs pick at 9 is AJ Griffin, Shaedon Sharpe, Or Ousmane Dieng

Although what they say at the end is pretty spot on

The Spurs are deep with good talent. What they need is a star.

[scott]

Although what they say at the end is pretty spot on

The Spurs are deep with good talent. What they need is a star.

For sure. We need elite talent more than we do a PF (which yes, we also need).

I just don't understand how AJ Griffin fits in there with the other two lol

[Mnky]

Duren interviews like Murray has been taught too. Definitely a Spurs type pick if noone else surprise tumbles.

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I'm not sifting through the rubble to find out whether it's been posted or not and it's not exactly breaking news, but O'Connor claims trading up into the mid-teens utilizing 20 and 25 is more than likely than moving up from 9.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sifting through the rubble to find out whether it's been posted or not and it's not exactly breaking news, but O'Connor claims trading up into the mid-teens utilizing 20 and 25 is more than likely than moving up from 9.

That seems so obvious an idiot like Kevin O'Connor finally came up with it.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-kennedy-chandler-interview-chris-paul-jeff-teague-comparison/


He’s already worked out for several teams in the teens, including the Hawks, Hornets, Cavaliers, Rockets, Bulls, and the Bucks and Spurs in the 20s.

Don’t remember reading about Kennedy Chandler working out for the Spurs before…

[Uriel]

All signs point to Jalen Duren being the pick. From Larry Brown advising the team to draft him to the Spurs being widely regarded to want to draft a center to the team asking Duren not to reveal his workout with them.

[mo7888]

My last adjustments on my personal Big Board (not a Spurs perspective board) broken into tiers. I struggled with where to put Sharpe...I could really have been as low as 15 but, I'm sticking where I have him based on my personal opinion of the risk/reward of his attitude vs talent...

Tier 1
1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
Tier 2
5. Keegan Murray
6. Benedict Mathurin
7. Jalen Duren
8. Dyson Daniels
9. Johnny Davis
Tier 3
10. Shaedon Sharpe
11. Jalen Williams
12. Ousmane Dieng
13. Jeremy Sochan
14. AJ Griffin
15. Malaki Branham
16. Mark Williams
Tier 4
17. Ochai Agbagi
18. Tari Eason
19. Gabriele Procida
20. EJ Liddell
21. Nikola Jovic
22. Blake Wesley
Tier 5
23. Jaden Hardy
24. Dalen Terry
25. Jake Laravia
26. TyTy Washington Jr
27. Josh Minott
28. Christian Koloko
29. Wendell Moore Jr
30. MarJon Beauchamp

[Dejounte]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/nba-draft-prospect-tari-eason-on-workouts-with-spurs-san-antonio/273-e14f5c42-cffa-48ae-ab4b-9441e075e481

interesting comments by Tari
The Truth #6

[Dejounte]

That’s interesting. Sochan actually came in for a workout and participated in a group one, it sounds like

thinking he might actually be the pick

he said the Spurs have kept in touch

[exstatic]

Umm did you watch the play in game where we got bitch slapped by them?

We beat GS multiple times in this current championship season. Sometimes the lesser team wins.

[KingKev]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/nba-draft-prospect-tari-eason-on-workouts-with-spurs-san-antonio/273-e14f5c42-cffa-48ae-ab4b-9441e075e481

interesting comments by Tari
The Truth #6 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6189)

Eason at 20 would be a great coach Pop project.

[mo7888]

Z Lowe podcast just said teams are calling about DJ and DJ just tweeted out eyes emoji....fwiw

[The Truth #6]

Eason at 20 would be a great coach Pop project.

Agreed. I still like him at 9, but if he could be had later, then yeah I’d be down with Davis or Jalen Williams at 9, and Eason later. Combining 20+25 to move up into the teens is essential to get another solid potential role player starter like Eason, but unlikely to happen.

[BatManu20]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN says he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at that pick. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

[AFBlue]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN said he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon sharp at pick 7. This would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the wizards at #10.

That's great news if true. Takes a distraction off the board and prevents others from trading ahead of the Spurs to grab a guy they like.

[rjv]

^^^ hope its not subterfuge.

[John B]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN says he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at that pick. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

That takes away Davis as an option for them. Good news for me :lol

[Mr. Body]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN says he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at that pick. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

My fear is that the Thunder have been trying to get there and take Duren. Not that I want the Spurs to take him, necessarily, I just don't want them to get him.

[AFBlue]

My fear is that the Thunder have been trying to get there and take Duren. Not that I want the Spurs to take him, necessarily, I just don't want them to get him.

They wouldn't take Duren and Chet, right?

[JPB]

That's great news if true. Takes a distraction off the board and prevents others from trading ahead of the Spurs to grab a guy they like.

Yeah, let the guy showcase himself in Portland and give teammates their litthe shine. Good news if hes' top 8.

[Mr. Body]

They wouldn't take Duren and Chet, right?

I think that's their best move.

[mo7888]

They wouldn't take Duren and Chet, right?

They should...that would be a scary tandem..

[Mr. Body]

Also that Ivey has absolutely no contact with the Kings at all and they seem to be either focused on Murray or maybe even Daniels.

[AFBlue]

Also that Ivey has absolutely no contact with the Kings at all and they seem to be either focused on Murray or maybe even Daniels.

Wouldn't be surprised if they picked Ivey anyway and traded Mitchell for a bag of balls at mid season. I mean, there is precedent.

[exstatic]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN says he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at that pick. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

Par for the course. Portland is attracted to guys with issues. As awful as the Swanigan story is, he had obvious eating issues, and allegedly a drug problem. Nassir Little was allegedly arrested while at UNC for coke possession and rolled on his boys to get his record expunged.

[BatManu20]

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"Damian Lillard is said to be high on [Shaedon] Sharpe's talent, despite Sharpe being 12 years younger and seemingly on a completely different timetable from Lillard." - Jonathan Givony


“He worked out for the Trailblazers (and the Pacers) and I believe he was supposed to work out for the Pelicans, but that workout was canceled. There’s people that believe he might have gotten a promise.” - Chris B. Haynes

[BatManu20]

Think Shaedon to Portland is a done deal. And sounds like the rumors of Indy being high on Mathurin are true.

A Halliburton/Mathurin backcourt is a great building block for the Pacers imo, who are about clean house and start a total rebuild. If they trade Turner and Brogdon for draft picks and draft well, they could have a bright future.

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand what the Blazers (and Lillard) are doing.

A Mathurin-Haliburton backcourt makes the Pacers watchable. I do think Mathurin is a bit overrated right now, but his potential is high.

If this sort of shakes out:

1. Orlando - Jabari Smith
2. OKC - Holmgren
3. Houston - Banchero
4. Sacramento - Keegan Murray
5. Detroit - Ivey
6. Indiana - Mathurin
7. Portland - Sharpe
8. New Orleans - ???
9. San Antonio - ???

It seems like Dyson Daniels is the right pick for the Pelicans, but who knows. This leaves the Spurs with a wide range of ways to go with the 9th, Sochan, Duren, Davis, etc.

[SAGirl]

Z Lowe podcast just said teams are calling about DJ and DJ just tweeted out eyes emoji....fwiw

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he may take this down because he is prone to impulsive tweeting he then regrets but he's obviously watching what's going down. Last summer there were rumors that the Spurs were open to trades for both DJ and White but that they wanted a lot. More than one first round pick. That turned out to be true with regards to what they wanted for White. I think the trade asking price for DJ went up, but Spurs may keep getting these kinds of inquiries bc their situation is so fluid and DJ wants to contend for championships, said publicly.

[BatManu20]

I don't understand what the Blazers (and Lillard) are doing.


A Mathurin-Haliburton backcourt makes the Pacers watchable. I do think Mathurin is a bit overrated right now, but his potential is high.

If this sort of shakes out:

1. Orlando - Jabari Smith
2. OKC - Holmgren
3. Houston - Banchero
4. Sacramento - Keegan Murray
5. Detroit - Ivey
6. Indiana - Mathurin
7. Portland - Sharpe
8. New Orleans - ???
9. San Antonio - ???

It seems like Dyson Daniels is the right pick for the Pelicans, but who knows. This leaves the Spurs with a wide range of ways to go with the 9th, Sochan, Duren, Davis, etc.

Pels would take either Daniels or Davis at that point imo.

And for now I’m sticking with my prediction that we take Sochan, unless Daniels is available at 9. Then I think it’s a coin-flip but might lean Daniels, who was my original pick for us before I switched to Sochan simply because I figured Daniels would be gone by the time we were on the clock.

[SAGirl]

They wouldn't take Duren and Chet, right?
That would make a twin towers combo for OKC... They have the 12... Duren doesn't make it there, bc if they don't trade up to grab him.... TA-DA!!! Spurs grab him. Now they can do whatever with him, flip him for assets they like or keep. I am all for keep, but strategically taking Duren at 9 is a great move.

[exstatic]

Pels would take either Daniels or Davis at that point imo.

And for now I’m sticking with my prediction that we take Sochan, unless Daniels is available at 9. Then I think it’s a coin-flip but might lean Daniels, who was my original pick for us before I switched to Sochan simply because I figure Daniels would be gone by the time we were on the clock.

Or, NO could trade back if no one jumps out at them.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, let the guy showcase himself in Portland and give teammates their litthe shine. Good news if hes' top 8.
I have to give you props JPB, this line was top of the crop in making me laugh out loud!!!!!

[JPB]

I don't understand what the Blazers (and Lillard) are doing.

A Mathurin-Haliburton backcourt makes the Pacers watchable. I do think Mathurin is a bit overrated right now, but his potential is high.

If this sort shakes out:

1. Orlando - Jabari Smith
2. OKC - Holmgren
3. Houston - Banchero
4. Sacramento - Keegan Murray
5. Detroit - Ivey
6. Indiana - Mathurin
7. Portland - Sharpe
8. New Orleans - ???
9. San Antonio - ???

It seems like Dyson Daniels is the right pick for the Pelicans, but who knows. This leaves the Spurs with a wide range of ways to go with the 9th, Sochan, Duren, Davis, etc.

That is if no team trades up (incliding spurs) but yeah I like the choice they'd have which should shrink to Duren and Sochan (if he's actually still there, which I'm not sure of)

Duren remains finally my guy, I would have picked Sochan over him on a vacuum but there's something about Duren's intensity and energy that I really like.

[Degoat]

1. Jabari
2. Chet
3. Paulo
4. Keegan
5. Ivey
6. Mathurin
7. Sharpe
8. ?
9. ?

That leaves Davis, Duren, Daniels, Sochan, and Griffin between the Pelicans and the Spurs. And of course. Wildcard out of left field lol

[exstatic]

That would make a twin towers combo for OKC... They have the 12... Duren doesn't make it there, bc if they don't trade up to grab him.... TA-DA!!! Spurs grab him. Now they can do whatever with him, flip him for assets they like or keep. I am all for keep, but strategically taking Duren at 9 is a great move.

That might also loosen CHA's grip on their pick(s) for Jak.

[AFBlue]

I don't understand what the Blazers (and Lillard) are doing.

A Mathurin-Haliburton backcourt makes the Pacers watchable. I do think Mathurin is a bit overrated right now, but his potential is high.

If this sort of shakes out:

1. Orlando - Jabari Smith
2. OKC - Holmgren
3. Houston - Banchero
4. Sacramento - Keegan Murray
5. Detroit - Ivey
6. Indiana - Mathurin
7. Portland - Sharpe
8. New Orleans - ???
9. San Antonio - ???

It seems like Dyson Daniels is the right pick for the Pelicans, but who knows. This leaves the Spurs with a wide range of ways to go with the 9th, Sochan, Duren, Davis, etc.

I like how this shakes out regardless. If the Spurs lose out on trading up to get a guy they really want in the Top-5, Sochan/Duren/Daniels all provide a relatively high floor with significant upside.

[Mr. Body]

That might also loosen CHA's grip on their pick(s) for Jak.

I think there's a very good chance neither M. Williams nor Duren are available for them... if the Spurs pick Duren (or Williams). I see the NYK and possibly WAS being in the market for a big.

[AFBlue]

1. Jabari
2. Chet
3. Paulo
4. Keegan
5. Ivey
6. Mathurin
7. Sharpe
8. ?
9. ?

That leaves Davis, Duren, Daniels, Sochan, and Griffin between the Pelicans and the Spurs. And of course. Wildcard out of left field lol

Right. Agbaji incoming... should've seen the Bill Self ties all along.

[BatManu20]

Right. Agbaji incoming... should've seen the Bill Self ties all along.

Doubtful.

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[BatManu20]

Agbaji has been rumored to be a target for Cleveland at 14 for weeks now.


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[SAGirl]

Or, NO could trade back if no one jumps out at them.
Yes you reminded me there are other avenues to trade for him. Him not revealing who he was worked out for IMO even implies that he knows there are possible trade scenarios in play for him and so he has been specifically advised to keep things secret.

[AFBlue]

Doubtful.

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Yeah I was half-kidding, doubling down on the "wild card" comment. Maybe not Agbaji, but one of the Williams (Jalen or Mark), Dieng or Branham wouldn't surprise either.

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Think Shaedon to Portland is a done deal. And sounds like the rumors of Indy being high on Mathurin are true.

A Halliburton/Mathurin backcourt is a great building block for the Pacers imo, who are about clean house and start a total rebuild. If they trade Turner and Brogdon for draft picks and draft well, they could have a bright future.

Yup, and I'm a proponent of Carlisle's influence on a young team. he'll have them playing well sooner than later.

[Trill Clinton]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN says he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at that pick. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

He had a secret workout with Washington

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He had a secret workout with Washington

Speculation or actual reporting?

[BatManu20]

He had a secret workout with Washington

Didn’t see that. He also cancelled his workout with New Orleans at 8.

[BatManu20]

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[Ariel]

That would make a twin towers combo for OKC... They have the 12... Duren doesn't make it there, bc if they don't trade up to grab him.... TA-DA!!! Spurs grab him. Now they can do whatever with him, flip him for assets they like or keep. I am all for keep, but strategically taking Duren at 9 is a great move.
I've never been the greatest fan of Duren, but that is a very smart move. I think he'll be one of the hottest commodities for teams picking below 9, because many of them have a glaring hole at C (like OKC & Charlotte) and will be extremely happy if he falls into their lap. Taking him and having them come at your feet offering their picks + assets (12 + whatever, 13 + 15) would give us a lot of options, or we could keep Duren and further explore trades involving Poeltl.

[Trill Clinton]

Speculation or actual reporting?

Chase Hughes(NBS sports Was) mentioned it on a podcast yesterday

[SAGirl]

You know who I remember from last draft specifically keeping super secret his workouts?

Tell me if you remember Josh Giddey being super tight with that info. The Olympics or something (some international comptition, my memory is shit on this!) was going on, so he didn't work out for anyone (allegedly)... he had like an open gym workout for scouts and that was it. Turns out later it came out that he had worked out in secret for OKC and the warriors (http://https://wwos.nine.com.au/basketball/josh-giddey-nba-draft-workout-oklahoma-city-thunder-golden-state-warriors-debut-preview/9ba12e0f-804a-43c8-a089-fe3e2a4cc1a0)... and that he had been in trade talks as well.

[SAGirl]

I've never been the greatest fan of Duren, but that is a very smart move. I think he'll be one of the hottest commodities for teams picking below 9, because many of them have a glaring hole at C (like OKC & Charlotte) and will be extremely happy if he falls into their lap. Taking him and having them come at your feet offering their picks + assets (12 + whatever, 13 + 15) would give us a lot of options, or we could keep Duren and further explore trades involving Poeltl.
Id explore trades for Jakob myself. I don't want to saddle my lot to Jakob. This team is young and getting younger, Jakob is a win now player with a limited ceiling. He will soon be earning 20 million a year and he's not worth that for a team that is rebuilding. I like Jakob a lot, despite all my comments in favor of a trade for him. You will see my comments after the play in game where I thought he was really more significant than any other Spurs for stretches other than the time Keldon put his boy pants on and finally started to hit shots. I really thought Jakob did better than the year before for example. Still, it's a player with a known ceiling and the Spurs should look for more, ways to get better, assets, even centers that are unknown but could have a better ceiling. Can't let those guys go because you have Jakob in the fold. Just my humble opinion.

[mo7888]

Id explore trades for Jakob myself. I don't want to saddle my lot to Jakob. This team is young and getting younger, Jakob is a win now player with a limited ceiling. He will soon be earning 20 million a year and he's not worth that for a team that is rebuilding. I like Jakob a lot, despite all my comments in favor of a trade for him. You will see my comments after the play in game where I thought he was really more significant than any other Spurs for stretches other than the time Keldon put his boy pants on and finally started to hit shots. I really thought Jakob did better than the year before for example. Still, it's a player with a known ceiling and the Spurs should look for more, ways to get better, assets, even centers that are unknown but could have a better ceiling. Can't let those guys go because you have Jakob in the fold. Just my humble opinion.

I think we could say the same about DJ (although he's alot more valuable than Jak). He's probably close to his ceiling as well. To me if we're trading Jak for picks then we should look at doing something similar with DJ and go with a younger player timeline. Now, if we trade Jak in a trade for a different win now player who may fit with our players better then I get keeping DJ and building with him.

I know we've all said it alot the past couple years but we need to pick a direction.

[TeKu]

Interesting phrasing there? "No longer shopping" rather than "no longer looking to trade". Windy is quite intentional with what he says. Makes it seem like a deal might already be done there rather than Portland making a pick to keep themselves. Quite possibly OKC for 12 and future picks, that Portland then flip to Detroit for Grant.

[exstatic]

Right. Agbaji incoming... should've seen the Bill Self ties all along.

His name is on the jersey now!

[SAGirl]

I think we could say the same about DJ (although he's alot more valuable than Jak). He's probably close to his ceiling as well. To me if we're trading Jak for picks then we should look at doing something similar with DJ and go with a younger player timeline. Now, if we trade Jak in a trade for a different win now player who may fit with our players better then I get keeping DJ and building with him.

I know we've all said it alot the past couple years but we need to pick a direction.
I am reluctant to trade DJ, but there will come a point, perhaps not too far in the future where if the Spurs are still in this limbo they really will have to consider it. I don't want them to wait until the last possible moment like they did with Kawhi and be forced to trade a distressed asset that is fed up with losing and wants out. Once DJ is a FA its game over. Even if they can get something in return for him, like they did with Derozan, their options will be reduced to wherever DJ wants to go. This is a delicate subject I am sure. Hopefully they have better foresight and are opportunistic to maximize his value.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think we could say the same about DJ (although he's alot more valuable than Jak). He's probably close to his ceiling as well. To me if we're trading Jak for picks then we should look at doing something similar with DJ and go with a younger player timeline. Now, if we trade Jak in a trade for a different win now player who may fit with our players better then I get keeping DJ and building with him.

I know we've all said it alot the past couple years but we need to pick a direction.

you can‘t compare Poeltl to DJ tbh. DJ is a way better player and not that easy to replace. He‘ll also still get better

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I am reluctant to trade DJ, but there will come a point, perhaps not too far in the future where if the Spurs are still in this limbo they really will have to consider it. I don't want them to wait until the last possible moment like they did with Kawhi and be forced to trade a distressed asset that is fed up with losing and wants out. Once DJ is a FA its game over. Even if they can get something in return for him, like they did with Derozan, their options will be reduced to wherever DJ wants to go. This is a delicate subject I am sure. Hopefully they have better foresight and are opportunistic to maximize his value.

Oddly enough, it wasn't until after he became an All-Star that I finally gave into the idea of trading him. This year showed me that he's definitely maxed out defensively and his max simply isn't good enough to even really slow down the best guards in the league, let alone our division.

He gambles too much, too.

I am sure he'll get better offensively though since he's shown improvement there every year. But given the whole package and what's assuredly a rising price tag to keep him, I think the time is now. Sell high and thank himfor his efforts. That's how a team like the Spurs rebuild when the choice to extend is questionable. It has to be a no-brainer.

[KingKev]

Oddly enough, it wasn't until after he became an All-Star that I finally gave into the idea of trading him. This year showed me that he's definitely maxed out defensively and his max simply isn't good enough to even really slow down the best guards in the league, let alone our division.

He gambles too much, too.

I am sure he'll get better offensively though since he's shown improvement there every year. But given the whole package and what's assuredly a rising price tag to keep him, I think the time is now. Sell high and thank himfor his efforts. That's how a team like the Spurs rebuild when the choice to extend is questionable. It has to be a no-brainer.

He literally had todo everything this year. Everything, every night. Spurstalk favourite Derrick White couldn’t lighten the load in a backup capacity.

Every player on this team relied on him, every fking game. Not one other player could create their own offense. Only Jak played consistent defense. Outside of JRich, Tre Jones was probably the next best 2 way player on the team.

Surround DJ with better players and he still has upside.

[mo7888]

you can‘t compare Poeltl to DJ tbh. DJ is a way better player and not that easy to replace. He‘ll also still get better

I'm not comparing their value (I even said DJ is far more valuable).. I'm saying they are on the same win-now timeline and trading Jak for just picks doesn't do anything to serve DJ's timeline so you might as well trade DJ for picks too. Basically, if we keep DJ then any trade for Jak should be for a player instead of picks to build alongside DJ.

[Thomas82]

That would make a twin towers combo for OKC... They have the 12... Duren doesn't make it there, bc if they don't trade up to grab him.... TA-DA!!! Spurs grab him. Now they can do whatever with him, flip him for assets they like or keep. I am all for keep, but strategically taking Duren at 9 is a great move.

If we get Duren, I hope like hell we keep him.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1539397244897611779

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He literally had todo everything this year. Everything, every night. Spurstalk favourite Derrick White couldn’t lighten the load in a backup capacity.

Every player on this team relied on him, every fking game. Not one other player could create their own offense. Only Jak played consistent defense. Outside of JRich, Tre Jones was probably the next best 2 way player on the team.

Surround DJ with better players and he still has upside.

This is a fair defense of DJ and you're probably right on most of it. But his defense was concerning.

[KingKev]

This is a fair response to DJ and you're probably right on most of it. But his defense was concerning.

His on ball defense was average at best but I think he has the ability to grow as an on ball defender if he isn’t asked todo so much elsewhere nightly and why Johnny Davis could be a solid backcourt running mate.

[The Truth #6]

Random idea: Spurs draft either Jalen Williams or Dyson and play them at SF, but in the process see if they could succeed as our point guard. If so, a trade for DJ opens wide up down the road.

[JuneJive]

Hornets trying to use one of their picks to dump Hayward so they can extend Bridges.

Hmm?

[mo7888]

Hornets trying to use one of their picks to dump Hayward so they can extend Bridges.

Hmm?

Hayward and 13 for McDermott...I might consider that...

[CGD]

Hornets trying to use one of their picks to dump Hayward so they can extend Bridges.

Hmm?

They’ll probably need to use both picks in that case. That’s two years left on that deal, ouch

[Mr. Body]

Hornets trying to use one of their picks to dump Hayward so they can extend Bridges.

Hmm?

I think that came up here a while back. They'd need more than one of those picks. That salary is really bad.

[Degoat]

Hot take alert: Spurs need to draft good players… lol on a serious note I do think sometimes teams swing to the fences to hard on guys. I think one of the reasons spurs have success drafting is they generally do draft guys that are good basketball players tbh.

[SAGirl]

Oddly enough, it wasn't until after he became an All-Star that I finally gave into the idea of trading him. This year showed me that he's definitely maxed out defensively and his max simply isn't good enough to even really slow down the best guards in the league, let alone our division.

He gambles too much, too.

I am sure he'll get better offensively though since he's shown improvement there every year. But given the whole package and what's assuredly a rising price tag to keep him, I think the time is now. Sell high and thank himfor his efforts. That's how a team like the Spurs rebuild when the choice to extend is questionable. It has to be a no-brainer.

What has made me think about it at all is not his skill or anything. It's rather that him and the team seem to be on different timelines. The team is getting younger and needs to keep fishing for talent, while DJ has improved and is now in his prime and wants to compete right now. It makes for a situation where he's not going to be satisfied. Last year it was cringe emojis over the Primo pick. I think it's nothing against Primo the person, by all accounts DJ is a good teammate. It's more that the player selected seemed a reach and was a project years away, no one he expected at that spot. He constantly makes statements about winning being his goal, and he is public about it. If he says these things publicly, you can imagine the frustration bubbling privately.

So, I think this is all a lengthy way of trying to express that perhaps player and team are on a different path at this point. I can't blame the Spurs if they choose to continue with the rebuild and don't make win now moves, because they probably are realistically, more than one move away, but OTOH, don't be surprised if DJ doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild any longer. The further away they look from contending, the more he will want to leave.

This is a thing that has some kind of timeframe where you would expect they would be better by then, or they will have to trade him.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1539397244897611779

thanks for posting this. it's funny.

and it made me think... due diligence. This is how it went on.

Spurs: Hello Sacramento, Portland, etc. what do you want in exchange for your pick?
Team targeted: Yea, I'll trade it to your for Dejoune and we do a pick swap.

Spurs hang up.

Rumors start that teams are asking for trades involving Dejounte.

[keithington1]

I really want the Spurs to come out of the draft with Duren, Eason, and McGowens. They fit the Spurs play style and would raise the Spurs ceiling. They all need strong coaching and development but if they hit you have three stars with size, and much needed athleticism.

[DAF86]

I really want the Spurs to come out of the draft with Duren, Eason, and McGowens. They fit the Spurs play style and would raise the Spurs ceiling. They all need strong coaching and development but if they hit you have three stars with size, and much needed athleticism.

Just looked up that McGowens guy. He looks like a carbon copy of Dejounte.

[Dejounte]

Rumorville is ramping up so hard. WTF ARE THE SPURS GOING TO DO

[mo7888]

Rumorville is ramping up so hard. WTF ARE THE SPURS GOING TO DO

I think they are looking at so many different things right now that it's hard to get a read. I think they'd like to trade up with Sacramento and build around DJ but, with so few teams with cap space for FA several see their FA as happening on draft night with trades/acquisitions...at this point they probably have a couple godfather type offers on the table for DJ that it's giving them pause.

[SAGirl]

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[SAGirl]

Givoni’s face…
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[CGD]

I think they are looking at so many different things right now that it's hard to get a read. I think they'd like to trade up with Sacramento and build around DJ but, with so few teams with cap space for FA several see their FA as happening on draft night with trades/acquisitions...at this point they probably have a couple godfather type offers on the table for DJ that it's giving them pause.

Zach Lowe had a hypothetical one recently which caught my attention: DeAngelo Russell and 2 FRPs (top 3 protected) from Minni. I really don't care for Russell, but the parameters seemed right -- a useful player + 2 picks.

[mo7888]

Zach Lowe had a hypothetical one recently which caught my attention: DeAngelo Russell and 2 FRPs (top 3 protected) from Minni. I really don't care for Russell, but the parameters seemed right -- a useful player + 2 picks.

I listened to that yesterday as well... another Podcaster (windhorst maybe? ) I was listening to said there were several teams inquiring about DJ. Apparently there's a sentiment out there in some corners that thinks Pop is going to retire before the season and that were moving DJ and Jak for a proper rebuild...

[BatManu20]

Dejounte ain’t goin anywhere. At least not anytime soon. And I sure as wouldn’t give him up for DeAngelo Russell and a couple FRP’s between 18-22.

[BatManu20]

Patty Mills/Bryn Forbes comparison. The Spurs are salivating. Alfonso Plummer to the Spurs G-League confirmed.

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[AFBlue]

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The inclusion of Beauchamp is interesting. I wonder if the Spurs at 20 are in play for him.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Givony latest mock draft that came out yesterday has Josh Minott at 40 and Max Christie at 47. Has the Spurs drafting Duren, Blake Wesley, Kennedy Chandler and Caleb Houstan at 38.

[Cardinal]

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Honestly I’d be happy to get any of these players at 20. That is a very nicely situated pick because a quality prospect is guaranteed to fall there and then there’s arguably a significant tier break. Even players I’m down on like Agbaji, AJ Griffin, or Dieng would be great picks at 20 - though I’d still put other players like Max Christie or Dalen Terry over them, unless you think one of them can be grabbed at 25.

Looking at this list, it also should be conceivable for the spurs to package 20 and 25 to move up into the teens to grab their guy if other teams look at the tiers similarly.

[SAGirl]

Givony latest mock draft that came out yesterday has Josh Minott at 40 and Max Christie at 47. Has the Spurs drafting Duren, Blake Wesley, Kennedy Chandler and Caleb Houstan at 38.
I'd be super happy with Duren and I am glad to see him there.

I suppose Givoni is sticking with the guess that the Spurs made a promise to Houstan. I saw on Twitter that Houstan worked out for Denver and the Grizzlies among other teams. I haven't seen anything for the Spurs... My first suspicion when Timvp posted about him was the Grizzlies. They took a huge gamble last year on Ziaire Williams who had a bad college season but was affected by COViD, a family death and was a top recruit in college. He shot poorly but had upside. Houston is not the same case but it just seemed their MO to take a gamble like that and they have slomo in their team. I think they can afford to take risks like Houstan who may bust but can also turn into a bench wing possibly. I didn't post about it bc the Houstan rumors to the Spurs have gone down.... But I suppose he's still in play. I don't know much about the other two guys and have to look them up.

[BatManu20]

Hard pass on Kennedy Chandler and Caleb Houston. I’ll be really disappointed if we waste picks on those guys, especially Chandler. A 6’0 backup PG is not what we need. Would much rather have Ryan Rollins if we’re looking to draft a backup PG.

[exstatic]

I've never been the greatest fan of Duren, but that is a very smart move. I think he'll be one of the hottest commodities for teams picking below 9, because many of them have a glaring hole at C (like OKC & Charlotte) and will be extremely happy if he falls into their lap. Taking him and having them come at your feet offering their picks + assets (12 + whatever, 13 + 15) would give us a lot of options, or we could keep Duren and further explore trades involving Poeltl.

The Spurs won’t draft a player they don’t want unless there is a deal already in place before the pick. Williams will likely still be on the board for CHA, so they just need to decide what would be the best use of the pick, a development project, or a ready to go plug in NBA center.

[Mr. Body]

Drafting a player in order to blackmail later teams to trade for him doesn't seem like a great idea.

[The Truth #6]

I’d take Agbaji over Max Christie at 20 in a heartbeat. Dalen Terry is intriguing but still feels like a late FRP, like at #25.

[The Truth #6]

Houstan: we have a problem.

[Mr. Body]

Caleb Houstan is the discount AJ Griffin. He's immobile and athletic and also can't play defense, too.

[3&D_TBH]

9: Sochan
20: EJ Ledell
25: Max Christie or Jake Laravia
38: Procida

[SAGirl]

I mean Houstan at 38 is not the worst thing that could happen. It's the 38th pick, and the Spurs could take a gamble on a character guys there. At least he's 6'8". More worried about them choosing Livio Jean Charles part 2 in the first round for example.

[The Truth #6]

I mean Houstan at 38 is not the worst thing that could happen. It's the 38th pick, and the Spurs could take a gamble on a character guys there. At least he's 6'8". More worried about them choosing Livio Jean Charles part 2 in the first round for example.

Agreed. I’m worried about Houstan in the FR.

[rjv]

Hard pass on Kennedy Chandler and Caleb Houston. I’ll be really disappointed if we waste picks on those guys, especially Chandler. A 6’0 backup PG is not what we need. Would much rather have Ryan Rollins if we’re looking to draft a backup PG.

givoni's mock doesn't make complete sense, why would a guard heavy team draft Wesley and Chandler? and, yeah, i'll pass on houston as well-especially if procida is still around at #38.

[Maddog]

The Spurs should go all in
Jalen Duren
Jalen Williams
Jaylin Williams

Last season the Spurs acquired two Josh's

Not sure where next year is headed

All kidding aside these Mocks are all over the place and are pretty much speculation

[mo7888]

givoni's mock doesn't make complete sense, why would a guard heavy team draft Wesley and Chandler? and, yeah, i'll pass on houston as well-especially if procida is still around at #38.

I would too but I expect Porcida to go in the first round..

[rjv]

I would too but I expect Porcida to go in the first round..

it's possible he could go late 1st or early 2nd. if the spurs were to keep all their 1st rounders, i'd probably be okay with nabbing him with the 25th, depending on who else was left on the board at that point.

[SAGirl]

I did some research on Houstan bc I know he's worked out for a few teams. Confirmed workouts for Denver, Raptors, Grizzlies, has had a few others not mentioned in the article I read. I haven't seen anything tying him to Spurs workouts, but not everything is disclosed about him so who knows? Ive seen him mocked in other places to go sooner, like OKC at 32 and its possible as ever, that his promise was not from the Spurs at all.

In the course of trying to search info on him, I came across a scathing report from a scout. In particular him questioning the confidence shooting stood out.

Caleb Houstan, 6-8 freshman forward, Michigan. “Should have gone back to school. He didn’t have a good year. He was overwhelmed at times out there. He doesn’t have one thing that really jumps out at you. He just doesn’t have the foot speed yet and he’s got a slow shot. He’s not a great athlete, a little heavy-legged. I love his stroke, it looks great, it just never goes in. I watched him three times this year and he never played well. He’s missing the toughness piece. He’s a basketball-IQ and high-character guy. I wonder about his competitiveness. He has a very scary lack of confidence in his shooting.”
https://detroitsportsnation.com/nba-scout-rips-michigans-moussa-diabate-and-caleb-houstan/wgbrady/u-of-m-news/06/20/2022/281054/

Sounds like a Spur right? I am only half joking. Actually, somehow I am weirdly more skeptical than most that he's a Spur target. At 38? It's acceptable. Problem is if they get antsy thinking OKC at 32 is going to grab him and draft him sooner.

Oddly, I don't think this happens. The fact there is a rumor about Houstan almost guarantees this is not their guy that raises eyebrows this year.

[The Truth #6]

The Duren stuff is too rampant. I can’t remember these type of consensus rumors actually being correct that often for the Spurs. If anything, I’m afraid it could be a distraction for us to get M. Williams, the other center. Hopefully neither unless it’s part of some Yak trade that makes sense.

[Mr. Body]

givoni's mock doesn't make complete sense, why would a guard heavy team draft Wesley and Chandler? and, yeah, i'll pass on houston as well-especially if procida is still around at #38.

He used to be much better with Draft Express being independent. I think like most everything ESPN owns, they're incredibly sloppy and lazy with almost everything they do.

[Mr. Body]

Walker Kessler now to the green room.

This is beyond fucked up. There are 24 players there now. Bordering on cruelty and hope for 'good television' over what's best for the players.

[SAGirl]

Walker Kessler now to the green room.

This is beyond fucked up. There are 24 players there now. Bordering on cruelty and hope for 'good television' over what's best for the players.
Kessler, Williams and Duren are the 3 centers going in the first round. These guys aren't falling past 25.

[3&D_TBH]

Picking a center at 9 is just fucking stupid tbh. We need someone who can be on the floor in the 4th quarter of a playoff series. I would be completely shocked if PATFO went center at 9. It’s not gonna happen because they know what’s up.

[BatManu20]

Picking a center at 9 is just fucking stupid tbh. We need someone who can be on the floor in the 4th quarter of a playoff series. I would be completely shocked if PATFO went center at 9. It’s not gonna happen because they know what’s up.

Not if it’s a transcendent talent at Center. But yea, I agree that we shouldn’t go C at 9 because there isn’t a transcendent C in this draft. And that’s why I’m confident we won’t, despite all the rumors (all these Duren rumors actually make me more confident that the Spurs will not select him). I’m confident it’ll be Sochan or Daniels, whoever of those two are available, unless someone like Mathurin somehow slips to us, which is unlikely.

[rjv]

Not if it’s a transcendent Center. But yea, I agree that we shouldn’t go C at 9 because there isn’t a transcendent C in this draft. And that’s why I’m confident we won’t, despite all the rumors (all these Duren rumors actually make me more confident that the Spurs will not select him). I’m confident it’ll be Sochan or Daniels, whoever of those two are available, unless someone like Mathurin somehow slips to us, which is unlikely.

if mathurin somehow falls, you've got to take him but i agree that he likely will be gone by nine. and i agree on the lack of a transcendent C. sochan has basically the same wingspan and is more proven defensively so the spurs going with him or davis would make a lot of sense.

[Degoat]

Brian Wright said there draft approach is best player available so that’s good Imo

[wildbill2u]

While the discussion on trading D Murray is interesting, the reasoning for many comments (poor defense) is beyond strange. Don't you guys Remember his first notice as a rookie was as a all-league 2nd team defender. His stats on steals, defensive rebounds, defensive box scores, etc are all in the top range of PGs.

His shot coming in the league was shit because of mechanics and he's improved some, but still can't hit the 3 above mediocre, but can get away with it as a PG. Given the fact that he has been carrying the team on offense with drives and short jumpers, he might be slacking off some on the defensive end to conserve energy.

He really needs a very good backcourt shooter to help with spacing, but is he going to be the first option on our offense going forward? His stats on offense are pretty good, but that is because of his high usage as a scorer on a weak offensive team. If he is in a timeline crises as far as his career advancement goes, it might do him a favor to move him, but that's gonna leave us with a big problem since we have no one to replace his production. If he doesn't remain our number 1 option and his scoring goes down, then his trade value also drops. He probably hit his ceiling last season if we get a good shooter in the draft. If we take Sochan, he'll probably remain out first option.

[bluebellmaniac]

IF (and that's a BIG if) Duren is available, we take him

IF Charlotte is still in the market for a C, we trade Poetl (and 20 or 25) for one of their first and maybe a future pick. We grab BPA with that pick (hoping it's a PF).

It's a wrap after that. Could trade.what's left on draft picks to move up or for future picks.

That'd be a good draft.

We fill in the rest with F/A or trades. Keeping options open for next year.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The Duren stuff is too rampant. I can’t remember these type of consensus rumors actually being correct that often for the Spurs. If anything, I’m afraid it could be a distraction for us to get M. Williams, the other center. Hopefully neither unless it’s part of some Yak trade that makes sense.

It probably just means he gets picked a spot or two before us, to be honest.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The Duren stuff is too rampant. I can’t remember these type of consensus rumors actually being correct that often for the Spurs. If anything, I’m afraid it could be a distraction for us to get M. Williams, the other center. Hopefully neither unless it’s part of some Yak trade that makes sense.

It probably just means he gets picked a spot or two before us, to be honest.

[JPB]

IF (and that's a BIG if) Duren is available, we take him

IF Charlotte is still in the market for a C, we trade Poetl (and 20 or 25) for one of their first and maybe a future pick. We grab BPA with that pick (hoping it's a PF).

It's a wrap after that. Could trade.what's left on draft picks to move up or for future picks.

That'd be a good draft.

We fill in the rest with F/A or trades. Keeping options open for next year.

Exactly my mindset.

I really like Duren, he's my man, but it's not just about drafting him, but drafting a young player with good upside to replace Poeltl that you then trade (with whatever it might take) to move for a second higher pick (Sochan in dysneyland) or eventually a quality vet.

[SAGirl]

It probably just means he gets picked a spot or two before us, to be honest.
Thinking Sochan is the more realistic get at 9th..... or Davis. ah well could always be someone unexpected too.

[The Truth #6]

It probably just means he gets picked a spot or two before us, to be honest.


And if the goal is to get Duren to go early so someone else falls, then I say well played.



*I doubt that’s what’s happening, unfortunately.

[SAGirl]

I am listening to Zach Lowe interview Givony in the Lowe podcast and OMG... For sure Givony advised Portland to pick Shaedon Sharpe. I am listening to how he would handle the Kyrie Irving flaking out situation in Brookly and he just said, he'd give him the 5 years max if it came down to it and deal with a fallout if it doesn't work out later... because, here's the reason, because talent wins in the NBA and how many players can you name more talented than Kyrie Irving?

So what if he misses over half a season? So what if the Earth is flat? So what if he's a flake? So what? He can ball, pay him and get it over with.

Says the same guy who would not be dissuaded at all by Shaedon Sharpe being a complete airhead, not able to name anyone in the team, missing out a full year of basketball from his life just to play some hide and seek game of hype apparently, if you watch him in an empty gym and your mouth drops to the floor and you look like this?
http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/galleries/display/68/68374.jpg

I guess I hope it works out for Shaedon giving the little shine to his teammates in Portland you know?

Givony is right on one thing though, talent wins in the NBA. It's a conundrum.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[BatManu20]

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Sochan a Spur confirmed.

[The Truth #6]

Sochan a Spur confirmed.

Probably, though Dyson or Jalen Williams I suppose could be versatile as well.

[Cardinal]

Wright said all the right things in his interview today but who actually knows how those guiding principles are translated into rankings on the big board ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mr. Body]

Sochan a Spur confirmed.

Jeremy Sochan
Dalen Terry

and...

dunno

[Uriel]

FWIW, ESPN’s mock currently has us taking Sharpe at #9.

[timvp]

All of Brian Wright's quotes sound like a veiled way of saying the Spurs aren't drafting Jalen Duren. "We won't hesitate to draft a guard," "we want versatility," etc. That makes me wonder if the plan really is to draft Duren and the Spurs trotted out Wright to try to get the rest of the basketball world off of the scent :lol

[BatManu20]

Probably, though Dyson or Jalen Williams I suppose could be versatile as well.

Yea this is under the assumption that Daniels is gone by 9. If he’s available, I think he’ll be the pick. I go back and forth between he and Sochan.

[BatManu20]

I will legit be shocked if we draft Duren at 9. Two weeks ago I thought there was no way that happens. Now I’m not so certain, though I still don’t think it does. Even last week I would’ve had us taking Mark Williams over Duren given timvp’s intel.

[The Truth #6]

All of Brian Wright's quotes sound like a veiled way of saying the Spurs aren't drafting Jalen Duren. "We won't hesitate to draft a guard," "we want versatility," etc. That makes me wonder if the plan really is to draft Duren and the Spurs trotted out Wright to try to get the rest of the basketball world off of the scent :lol

I suppose drafting another guard is another way to not be versatile. Lol.

[The Truth #6]

Yea this is under the assumption that Daniels is gone by 9. If he’s available, I think he’ll be the pick. I go back and forth between he and Sochan.

It’s a good debate. Similar skill sets and weaknesses, generally speaking. I’d go with the taller guy typically. But part of the versatility of Dyson is…could he be our future point guard? That would shake up potential trades. Just spitballing.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Probably, though Dyson or Jalen Williams I suppose could be versatile as well.
Yeah and Wright says its not just about size which Sochan has but who knows whats going to happen.

[SAGirl]

FWIW, ESPN’s mock currently has us taking Sharpe at #9.
I logged back on to say something about this.. and I am going to piggy back on your mention.

Wright said, they are not in a position to eschew best player available. If someone falls to them that they consider the BPA, even if it's not who they originally thought they were drafting there, they will take him.

Sharpe notoriously worked out for the Spurs. Didn't give a good interview afterwards, seemed like an airhead, but if he wowed then I'd have to think he's in play. The rumor though is that Portland is definitely taking him, so Sharpe is out.

[Seventyniner]

No reason to take anything Wright says at face value. I don't think he's dumb enough to tip his hand.

[Mr. Body]

I logged back on to say something about this.. and I am going to piggy back on your mention.

Wright said, they are not in a position to eschew best player available. If someone falls to them that they consider the BPA, even if it's not who they originally thought they were drafting there, they will take him.

Sharpe notoriously worked out for the Spurs. Didn't give a good interview afterwards, seemed like an airhead, but if he wowed then I'd have to think he's in play. The rumor though is that Portland is definitely taking him, so Sharpe is out.

Absolutely no way Sharpe is in play for the Spurs. They were doing due diligence.

He's not BPA at #9 anyway. The kid is so fucking overrated it's unbelievable.

[SAGirl]

I will legit be shocked if we draft Duren at 9. Two weeks ago I thought there was no way that happens. Now I’m not so certain, though I still don’t think it does. Even last week I would’ve had us taking Mark Williams over Duren given timvp’s intel.
It really depends who is available to them.

We don't think Sharpe is a Spurs type at all, but if he were available to them, and they watched him in person and are sold he will be a star, they are not in a position to say no thank you. That's what I took from it, not that they will take Sharpe. He's just the most bold example I can come up with in this range.

Also, doesn't matter what position that guy plays, which could mean, it doesn't matter who we already have in the team, this is not about filling a hole.

I really like that approach. Use the 20-38 picks to take niche guys that you think will fill out different holes if you want, but at 9, take whoever BPA is. It could be Duren, but it also could not be him, could be a guard even though the team is well stocked there. It also doesn't mean they will necessarily plug a perceived hole, other than the hole of upside.

[SAGirl]

Absolutely no way Sharpe is in play for the Spurs. They were doing due diligence.

He's not BPA at #9 anyway. The kid is so fucking overrated it's unbelievable.
I am trying to prove a different point Mr. Body, using someone that most people don't expect them to like. If he was the second coming of Michael Jordan you don't say no... and no I am not saying he is any such thing. It's a hypothetical.

[Mr. Body]

I am trying to prove a different point Mr. Body, using someone that most people don't expect them to like. If he was the second coming of Michael Jordan you don't say no... and no I am not saying he is any such thing. It's a hypothetical.

Yeah and the cure for cancer is going to spurt out of his zits.

[SAGirl]

No reason to take anything Wright says at face value. I don't think he's dumb enough to tip his hand.
I am team Duren myself, but I do like Sochan, Davis and a few others. Frankly as long as they don't take a project, and by that I mean someone who can't do anything well right now, then I'll be fine.

I want someone with at least a medium floor... can do something now, and will add things to his game as time goes on. There's a few guys that I am not even crazy about that can do that, but I really don't like guys that can't do anything well right now.

[SAGirl]

All of Brian Wright's quotes sound like a veiled way of saying the Spurs aren't drafting Jalen Duren. "We won't hesitate to draft a guard," "we want versatility," etc. That makes me wonder if the plan really is to draft Duren and the Spurs trotted out Wright to try to get the rest of the basketball world off of the scent :lol
:lol CIA POP thing to do. :hat

Frankly we all hope the unexpected is something like this. Something they are uncharacteristic about like taking a real big man, instead of some reach coming from left field that no one thought about before because honestly...

If they want to take an 18 year old, that is still a little raw and needs to improve his shooting, at least take the one who has an imposing physique and an NBA skill to start. Then go from there. I am all for this.

[rjv]

All of Brian Wright's quotes sound like a veiled way of saying the Spurs aren't drafting Jalen Duren. "We won't hesitate to draft a guard," "we want versatility," etc. That makes me wonder if the plan really is to draft Duren and the Spurs trotted out Wright to try to get the rest of the basketball world off of the scent :lol


there is so much subterfuge in the draft it's just too hard to tell. on the other hand, it could be the spurs actually saying what they'll do to get other teams to believe that the spurs are going to do something different.

[SAGirl]

I will legit be shocked if we draft Duren at 9. Two weeks ago I thought there was no way that happens. Now I’m not so certain, though I still don’t think it does. Even last week I would’ve had us taking Mark Williams over Duren given timvp’s intel.

This is why it can happen! :lol:toast

[SAGirl]

there is so much subterfuge in the draft it's just too hard to tell. on the other hand, it could be the spurs actually saying what they'll do to get other teams to believe that the spurs are going to do something different.
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[BatManu20]

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[heyheymymy]

After years of smoke and mirrors spurs just go hidden in plain sight this year.

The misdirection was no misdirection

[rjv]

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/you-actually-were-telling-the-truth-i-do-that-quite-a-lot-yet-people-are-always-suprised-jack-sparrow.jpg

:lol for a moment there, i thought this was from the amber heard trial.

[SAGirl]

After years of smoke and mirrors spurs just go hidden in plain sight this year.

The misdirection was no misdirection
Yea they are drafting a guard again.. and to Mr. Body's relief it will probably not be Sharpe.

[The Truth #6]

If the Spurs drafted Sharpe would that increase his trade value because the super safe Spurs vetted him? Spitballing.

He probably will go sooner, but why would PDX telegraph their intentions so blatantly? Or maybe in the age of social media it’s impossible to contain and the flood of information is it’s own inherent confusion, you know, like normal life.

[TD 21]

Despite the trade deadline, the assets and flexibility, I still don't expect much in terms of movement. They'll probably take Sochan or Dieng because they're the two presumed candidates I don't want at 9, try and fail to package 20 and 25 to move into the teens, trade one for a protected '23 1st and not move a player off the current roster.

[BatManu20]

Dieng a Spur or Poeltl being shipped out confirmed. :stirpot:

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[duncan2150]

Dieng a Spur or Poeltl being shipped out confirmed.

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https://twitter.com/NicYarbro/status/1539711642677698560

[BatManu20]

Ousmane Dieng a Spur confirmed then. Fuck :lol

[TimmehC]

Hopefully not at 9 though. Way too high for Dieng.

[BatManu20]

Hopefully not at 9 though. Way too high for Dieng.

We said the same about Primo last year. Spurs don’t care if he’s their guy.

[BatManu20]

I’m sure Dieng’s agent left a message that went something along the lines of:

“Yo Brian calling to let you know that we’re getting promises from multiple teams between 10-19 so you if you want my guy you need to take him at 9.”

[SAGirl]

Ousmane Dieng a Spur confirmed then. Fuck :lol
Also... not a guard... so Wright was using misdirection when mentioning guards like three times...

OMG prayers out for LJC, part 2. Maybe the plan is the tank for Wembayana after all. Fire up the thread for the 2023 Draft. What is the world coming down to????

:pctossHaving a fictional meltdown here.

[SAGirl]

Hopefully not at 9 though. Way too high for Dieng.
This. True I forget there are other picks where he can be had.

[SAGirl]

I’m sure Dieng’s agent left a message that went something along the lines of:

“Yo Brian calling to let you know that we’re getting promises from multiple teams between 10-19 so you if you want my guy you need to take him at 9.”
:lol
Savage!

[BatManu20]

Honestly could mean a lot of things. It was reported that Dieng didn’t even work out for the Spurs, so that was likely either bullshit or his agent is just calling trying to sell his client. My guess would be the former, but who knows. Spurs may also be looking to trade up into the teens and that’s why they’re communicating now. Could be anything really. These teams make a million phone calls to other teams and agents and vice versa in the days leading up to the draft. Time will tell.

[heyheymymy]

Dieng would be perfect in the range of either of those CHA picks however....

[Mr. Body]

Honestly could mean a lot of things. It was reported that Dieng didn’t even work out for the Spurs, so that was likely either bullshit or his agent is just calling trying to sell his client. My guess would be the former, but who knows. Spurs may also be looking to trade up into the teens and that’s why they’re communicating now. Could be anything really. These teams make a million phone calls to other teams and agents and vice versa in the days leading up to the draft. Time will tell.

Could be rustling up interest in Dieng. Could be part of a comminque about whether Dieng is interested in staying in Europe for another year or two.

[timvp]

Dieng a Spur or Poeltl being shipped out confirmed. :stirpot:

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Shii-i-iiiiii-ii-ii-iiii.............

Well, it does align with something I'm about to publish, dammit.

[slick'81]

Get me off this roller coaster of emotions :lol wth is our guy?

[rjv]

in listening to what wright said, he really didn't say anything more than "we're going to draft a basketball player". in fact, a lot of GMs say the same generic thing:

"I don’t see a top 4. I never saw that. ... That’s why we do our work, and we’ll come out with the best person and player for us.” Troy Weaver (Pistons)


"I'm such a moron for not just taking the guy we had higher on the board. We liked him." I think generally, really good players find their way regardless of the roster. We'll be a best-player available team and if it's really close in the discussion, we'll be a bit more nuanced. I think generally, it's the best approach to take. Tim Connelly (Wolves)


“There’s not a position that we don’t need depth in, but I don’t think we’re going to do anything but take the best player available" Tommy Sheppard (Wizards)

[Mugen]

Don't really know much about Dieng. But there's one thing I'm sure of is that the Spurs would probably be reaching by at least 4-6 spots to get him at #9.

:lol it's fucking depressing when you realize your NFL team (Raiders) and now your NBA team are both absolute trash at draft asset management

[K...]

Who boy drinking starting early i guess...dieng, houstan, trade third pick for something not likely to convey. Love it brian,

[Kurik]

Brian Wright said there draft approach is best player available so that’s good Imo

This is an honest question, does anyone remember the strategy last year if they said anything? Did they draft for potential or did they also say best available?

[Kurik]

Shii-i-iiiiii-ii-ii-iiii.............

Well, it does align with something I'm about to publish, dammit.

This is hell.

[Ditty]

Been thinking the Spurs like Dieng. I like him also. Predicted he would go 9. Kind of backed off it but I could see the Spurs interested if he drops to 20.

[mo7888]

Detroit trades Grant to Portland for a 2025 1st

Woj

[Robz4000]

:lmao if the Spurs draft Dieng at 9

[CGD]

In less exciting news, I saw this in the context of Warriors 28th pick, which presumably could be the same targets at 25:

“Celtics, Knicks, and Magic are among the teams that have expressed interest in the No. 28 pick”

[Marco]

Spurs outsmarting themselves, as usual.

[Leetonidas]

Detroit trades Grant to Portland for a 2025 1st

Woj

Via Milwaukee, so probably a late 1st

[CGD]

Detroit trades Grant to Portland for a 2025 1st

Woj

That’s great for DET

Edit: just saw it’s via Bucks so less good, but not bad either.

[TD 21]

If it is Dieng, the spiel from the Spurs, local media and apologists alike, will be that he fills a positional need, it's difficult to find big wings with guards skills, you basically have to grow your own and that the other candidates are more attainable archetypes.

I don't see a high enough ceiling to outweigh the high bust probability. Not an explosive athlete, physically weak, can't shoot. Basically, another guy who's unlikely to be good enough on ball to be a primary option or off ball to be a secondary option.

[mo7888]

Now I have to wonder if Portland will actually draft Sharpe at 7 or trade that pick for a player?

[Degoat]

Ousmane Dieng is kinda mehhh, I wouldn’t hate it as long as we hit with the other picks.

[Mugen]

Detroit trades Grant to Portland for a 2025 1st

Woj

What kind of protections? That could easily be a top 5 pick.

[Degoat]

What kind of protections? That could easily be a top 5 pick.

Think they said it’s a Milwaukee pick they own in 25 so I doubt it’s all that great

[CGD]

Now I have to wonder if Portland will actually draft Sharpe at 7 or trade that pick for a player?

There was another rumor that they were looking to trade back to 11 to get Burks from Knicks.

Can def see NYK taking Sharpe there

[mo7888]

What kind of protections? That could easily be a top 5 pick.

It's the Milwaukee pick they own ...not their own...

[DPG21920]

There was another rumor that they were looking to trade back to 11 to get Burks from Knicks.

Can def see NYK taking Sharpe there

Ive been saying Richardson + 9 for 7 makes sense….Burks is out for a while still

[Mr. Body]

What kind of protections? That could easily be a top 5 pick.

It's Milwaukee's pick and something like 1-4 protected. Also get a couple SRPs.

[mo7888]

There was another rumor that they were looking to trade back to 11 to get Burks from Knicks.

Can def see NYK taking Sharpe there

Agree on NY... I could also see Portland trading 7 for a Keldon type player (not KJ specifically but a young guy that can shoot a play alongside Dame/Grant and is on a rookie contract) and future draft capital...let's them add something now...capital down the road if this blows up...and if it works they'd own bird rights to go over the cap in a year or two..

[DPG21920]

Save y’all some time:

2025 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to Portland (via New Orleans) protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or Portland will thereafter be extinguished)

[mo7888]

Ive been saying Richardson + 9 for 7 makes sense….Burks is out for a while still

That does make sense now too...

[Mr. Body]

Ive been saying Richardson + 9 for 7 makes sense….Burks is out for a while still

You'd waste Richardson to move up 2 slots?? Sheesh.

[vy65]

:lmao if the Spurs draft Dieng at 9

You SOn oF a BiTCh, I’m IN

[scott]

With Grant going to POR, doesn't Duren start making a ton of sense with them at 7? Dame, Simons, Hart, Grant, Duren?

[mo7888]

You'd waste Richardson to move up 2 slots?? Sheesh.

Richardson would bring what on the open market? A late 20 something pick maybe.... it'd be like moving 9 + 25 for 7... that could be the difference between Davis and Mathurin/ Keegan...

[mo7888]

With Grant going to POR, doesn't Duren start making a ton of sense with them at 7? Dame, Simons, Hart, Grant, Duren?

They'll resign Nurk instead..

[Mr. Body]

Richardson would bring what on the open market? A late 20 something pick maybe.... it'd be like moving 9 + 25 for 7... that could be the difference between Davis and Mathurin/ Keegan...

Terrible.

[mo7888]

Terrible.

9 + 25 for 7 is terrible?...hmmmm...ok...

[Mr. Body]

9 + 25 for 7 is terrible?...hmmmm...ok...

That's not what you said.

[objective]

So if I understand correctly, Dieng played like ass his entire career all over the world until the last month or so in Australia for the worst team in the league where nothing mattered

Sounds like a Wright pick for 9 all right

[Mr. Body]

So if I understand correctly, Dieng played like ass his entire career all over the world until the last month or so in Australia for the worst team in the league where nothing mattered

Sounds like a Wright pick for 9 all right

He can dribble behind his back though.

[DPG21920]

You'd waste Richardson to move up 2 slots?? Sheesh.

It’s not an automatic thing; but yeah, if SA loves someone that wont be there at 9 IDGAF about losing Richardson to get him

[objective]

Also I can't believe Grant was so cheap. Spurs could have equaled it easy, even beaten it easy

Probably spending all their time looking are 30 year old bench players to give a 3/42 deal to

[mo7888]

That's not what you said.

I said Richardson is worth a late first, which is equivalent to the 25th pick (incidentally that's what timvp said we are asking for Richardson)...so 9 + Richardson is = to 9 + 25

That's not terrible..

[BWS-1994]

Also I can't believe Grant was so cheap. Spurs could have equaled it easy, even beaten it easy

Probably spending all their time looking are 30 year old bench players to give a 3/42 deal to

Speculation is that Pistons clearing space to max Ayton.

[Mr. Body]

I said Richardson is worth a late first, which is equivalent to the 25th pick (incidentally that's what timvp said we are asking for Richardson)...so 9 + Richardson is = to 9 + 25

That's not terrible..

I value Richardson more than that. I don't value moving up 2 spots much at all.

[mo7888]

I value Richardson more than that. I don't value moving up 2 spots much at all.

Maybe not...but that's the value the Spurs are asking for Richardson....

[Mr. Body]

Maybe not...but that's the value the Spurs are asking for Richardson....

We have no idea what they are asking for with Richardson or whether they're asking at all.

[duncan2150]

Maybe not...but that's the value the Spurs are asking for Richardson....

according to timvp they want a first rounder for him , so ?

[mo7888]

We have no idea what they are asking for with Richardson or whether they're asking at all.

That's what timvp just reported... and it seems like a fair value for a bench player on an expiring contract.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think Richardson moves us up 2 spots, but depending on who is available, that definitely might be something to consider. I don't think thats a bad value at all as long as we don't have to eat a contract.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs: "We'll draft BPA"

Also Spurs: draft Dieng at 9 with Sochan, Duren and Johnny Davis still on the board

I swear I'ma lose it if that happens

[exstatic]

With Grant going to POR, doesn't Duren start making a ton of sense with them at 7? Dame, Simons, Hart, Grant, Duren?

They seem pretty happy with Nurk, and he with them.

[tonight...you]

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/you-actually-were-telling-the-truth-i-do-that-quite-a-lot-yet-people-are-always-suprised-jack-sparrow.jpg
I remember: he had to wear two bandanas under that wig/bandana because he would sweat and they didn't want it to bleed through for aesthetic reasons.
They had several setups for several takes and fans everywhere on set to cool them off.
There were also a few places where no fans were on set because of no power.

[baseline bum]

I don't think Richardson moves us up 2 spots, but depending on who is available, that definitely might be something to consider. I don't think thats a bad value at all as long as we don't have to eat a contract.

Would probably have to eat a contract with Richardson due $12.2 million next season. Or with his cap hit being $11.6 million this year. Forgot which is used on draft day trades.

[PhantomDashCam]

Would this be potentially a conflict of interests between the Spurs new 'Self' sponsors?

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[Eaglenole2002]

Chris Haynes: Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports.

[paperboy77]

Man I hope the Spurs don't fuck this once in a lifetime opportunity. Ho the hell does Portland land Jeramy Grant for peanuts? Good deal for them but great deal for Detroit... they now have $43M for free agency. Not sayin I necessary want Grant, although I wouldn't be mad, but why can't the Spurs make a splash? Even Dallas got a key player in Woods. WTF? Boy I just hope they don't mess this one up. We'll see.------ And please no more "Josh Primo's" this year.

[paperboy77]

Chris Haynes: Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports.

Makes no sense if they just picked up Jeremy Grant.

[RC_Drunkford]

Chris Haynes: Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports.

damn Blazers ain't fuckin around. Hope the Spurs get aggressive once the draft starts

[spurraider21]

Makes no sense if they just picked up Jeremy Grant.
trying to help lillard now. grant and OG would be better for next couple years than the 2 firsts.

[Mr. Body]

Makes no sense if they just picked up Jeremy Grant.

Anunoby - SF
Grant - PF

[TimmehC]

damn Blazers ain't fuckin around. Hope the Spurs get aggressive once the draft starts

If Brian can get them to throw us a future first for Richardson.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Brian can get them to throw us a future first for Richardson.

he should try. Maybe they dumb enough to take McDermott too :lol

[itzsoweezee]

Chris Haynes: Portland Trail Blazers are in pursuit of Toronto Raptors forward OG Anunoby with the No. 7 pick in Thursday’s draft in play, league sources tell @YahooSports.

Blazers are going to be legit if that happens.

If the Spurs use all three of their draft picks, I’m going to scream.

[Mr. Body]

Man I hope the Spurs don't fuck this once in a lifetime opportunity. Ho the hell does Portland land Jeramy Grant for peanuts? Good deal for them but great deal for Detroit... they now have $43M for free agency. Not sayin I necessary want Grant, although I wouldn't be mad, but why can't the Spurs make a splash? Even Dallas got a key player in Woods. WTF? Boy I just hope they don't mess this one up. We'll see.------ And please no more "Josh Primo's" this year.

Because he's not the player you think he is.

[paperboy77]

Anunoby - SF
Grant - PF

I guess that's what I get for listening to the Lockdown Spurs Podcast. They kept sayin Anunoby could fill the PF void and I thought he was a bit small for that.

[paperboy77]

Because he's not the player you think he is.

Regardless. I'm just sayin we have the best shot we'll ever have and would hate for us to squander it.

[SpursBills]

Blazers are going to be legit if that happens.

If the Spurs use all three of their draft picks, I’m going to scream.

No way Masai is going to be dumb enough to trade a 24 year old improving forward on a reasonable contract for the #7 in a draft with a clear top 4 and then a drop off

[Mnky]

No way Masai is going to be dumb enough to trade a 24 year old improving forward on a reasonable contract for the #7 in a draft with a clear top 4 and then a drop off

The team began to evolve without him. The young guys click a little better when he was hurt. He also wanted a bigger role, but it didn't work well when. They went that way. Other younger players were performing better on the offensive end.

I doubt they let him go for nothing, but moving on benefits other players they KNOW they will build around.

He also has had an Injury bug issue the last few years.

[3&D_TBH]

Spurs: "We'll draft BPA"

Also Spurs: draft Dieng at 9 with Sochan, Duren and Johnny Davis still on the board

I swear I'ma lose it if that happens

That's my worst fear as well, aside from my fear that we take AJ Griffin at 9. lol

[Ariel]

Dieng a Spur or Poeltl being shipped out confirmed. :stirpot:

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My head says probably true... my heart hopes we're sending Poeltl to Toronto in a package for Anunoby... and no one can tell me otherwise, at least for another day... nananananana...