Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[JuneJive]

The more I look the more I like Branham.

Another SG? Why not with the later pick.

He's got a well rounded offensive game with no apparent holes. Excellent shooter and shot creator with an impressive array of moves including a formidable mid-range game.

The knock on him is his defense.

But, he's tall, long, with a 6'11" wingspan and pretty good court awareness and anticipation.

Seems like a decent pick.

[mo7888]

The great Leonard Miller has pulled out of the draft.

That's a good decision for him. He's wasn't ready and wasn't going to be a 1st rd pick...

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Paolo doing his best to make sure he goes to Houston :lol. And I don’t blame him. He was 5 when the team moved to OKC.


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[Mr. Body]

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Somewhat surprising. Last year Josh Christopher and Cameron Thomas went in the 1st round and they're pretty similar players. Maybe the league is moving away from shooters who can't do anything else and are awful at defense.

[Mr. Body]

Paolo doing his best to make sure he goes to Houston :lol. And I don’t blame him. He was 5 when the team moved to OKC.


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I can't imagine being forced to live in Oklahoma.

[JPB]

I can't imagine being forced to live in Oklahoma.

He can't either obviously.

[JPB]

As expected after doing my deep dive on him and throwing him into my lowest tier (tier 6)

i called it, mothafuckas!

Called it 2 weeks ago tbh. :wakeup

[exstatic]

Called it 2 weeks ago tbh. :wakeup

Careful. You’ll unleash the attack chihuahua, who never actually called him withdrawing from the draft, just stashed him on his lower tier.

[SAGirl]

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One can’t ignore how productive and efficient he was. And he’s young. Kind of a Spurs pick in the age range they favor lately. Id hope if he is the pick its bc they were confident his poor defense can improve. He looks more explosive there and displays a nice dribble but I find these kind of videos misleading bc who is guarding him really and are they really trying or being traffic cones for the show? I can’t get his difficulties out of my head.

Having said that, one really can’t ignore how good he was even with his injuries. One has to truly believe in his shooting to pick him but he’s the kind of guy that could make teams regret passing up on him. Difficult to project his athleticism with his injuries, but I don’t know. I’ll be okay with this pick but its not someone who excites me.

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I can't imagine being forced to live in Oklahoma.

Now imagine doing it by choice.

[rankingtear]

BR mock is out. Intel : Ivey at 2, Dyson top 8 , Malaki 8-14, Jalen top 20. Dieng and Shaedon drop.

[The Truth #6]

BR mock is out. Intel : Ivey at 2, Dyson top 8 , Malaki 8-14, Jalen top 20. Dieng and Shaedon drop.

The question is which 6'5" SG we are going to draft, lol. Maybe Malakai? I'd like him at 20, but seems like no way he lasts that long. Seems to have great scoring instincts. As for Sharpe, shit, there's a chance he drops to us. Because I don't see any home run swing at 9, if there is a team dying to draft him, I hope that the Trade Machine Brian Wright can monetize that, so to speak, rather than put on blinders and get bamboozled by some young agent telling them what Presti is going to do if they don't take player X.

[duncan2150]

The question is which 6'5" SG we are going to draft, lol. Maybe Malakai? I'd like him at 20, but seems like no way he lasts that long. Seems to have great scoring instincts. As for Sharpe, shit, there's a chance he drops to us. Because I don't see any home run swing at 9, if there is a team dying to draft him, I hope that the Trade Machine Brian Wright can monetize that, so to speak, rather than put on blinders and get bamboozled by some young agent telling them what Presti is going to do if they don't take player X.

Johnny Davis fits this 6'5 SG lol could be the pick

[The Truth #6]

Its a buffet of options for 6'5ish players:

Johnny Davis
Ben Mathurin
Malaki Brenham
Blake Wesley
Jalen Williams
Gabe Procida
Dyson Daniels
Christian Braun
Marjon Beachamp
Bryce McGowens
Ochai Agbaji
Wendell Moore
David Roddy

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1531398304566808576

Feel a bit proud. I pulled his name out of a hat basically as a guy who'd make a lot of sense at 38. Then I looked into him a bit and have liked the idea more and more if the team doesn't grab Tyty or another PG early. He has talent and would provide instant depth behind/instead of Jones. I also think he has intangibles that make him intriguing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVXmuH4anLM&ab_channel=ACCDigitalNetwork

[Chinook]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting the feeling more and more that the Spurs are loving having three picks in 20-40 range. Almost every player we hear connected to them is or at least was projected to go 20th or later. Maybe they just feel more comfortable scouting there. Maybe they're trying to cover up their interest at 9 by spamming us with info about later in the draft. But I don't think they have nearly as much interest in reducing the number of picks they're making than some fans assume they do. As I said, they probably got so many picks in this draft for a reason.

[daslicer]

I can't imagine being forced to live in Oklahoma.

The worst places to live in the NBA are OKC, Salt Lake, Indianapolis, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Portland. Every other location is fine. Some are better than others but overall at worst if you avoid those 6 cities I mentioned you will end up in a decent place.

[BatManu20]

Brenham was one of my sleeper picks at 20, but starting to sound like he’s lottery bound. Or 15-17 at the latest. Too bad. Think he’s gonna be a good player at the next level. Will be one of the best mid-range shooters in the league within 3-4 years imo. And his 3-pointer is improving too.

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[R. DeMurre]

It's so interesting to see where Jalen Williams is in mock drafts now... all over the place. My dream draft scenario right now is Sochan, Jalen Williams, LaRavia, Jaylin Williams, but I do think that Jalen is the one who's most likely gone before the Spurs pick.

Hopes for Sochan: great D at 3,4, & 5 spots, potential to be devastatingly good small ball center in some future line ups.
For Jalen: I like him as a SG rather than a SF. It's a nuanced distinction in the modern NBA, sure, but moving him up a spot takes away 30% of his size advantage at 6'6"+ 7'2" wingspn. The idea of Murray & Jalen as long dual versatile combo guards is the vision, an extra large back court.
LaRavia: a do everything guy, like a 6'8" Derrick White with better shooting, or 3/4ths of Andrei Kirilenko with better shooting. No uber elite strengths, but no weaknesses.
Jaylin Williams: The Flier. Some red flags, some incredible impact stats, looks great via the Eye Test, improved dramatically in second half of season, played great in big games against quality opponents. Could he be a Robert Williams lll type player? Even if he's somewhere between RWlll & Isaiah Hartenstein as a net positive back up big, he's got value at #38. Interesting player, but I also wouldn't mind the Spurs trading #20+#38+? (JRich/McD?) to move up a few spots if that means a better chance at Jalen.

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He’s a tremendous scorer. Obviously, there’s been a lot of talk about his stock dropping in the days leading up to the draft, but I’m not sure that ought be the case.

I get the injury concerns, but it is interesting that this board is that down on a young, "good character", combo forward who fits the 3 and D outline (has to regain more mobility for the latter, but the physical capacity otherwise exists).

Including myself, I don't recall seeing anyone advocating for or thinking he's among the most likely options. Weird.

[Big Empty]

https://youtu.be/tdPdxzwL8IE this dude has solid analysis. Sleepers

[Mr. Body]

I get the injury concerns, but it is interesting that this board is that down on a young, "good character", combo forward who fits the 3 and D outline (has to regain more mobility for the latter, but the physical capacity otherwise exists).

Including myself, I don't recall seeing anyone advocating for or thinking he's among the most likely options. Weird.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8rkz4HBEGE

Starting at 7:15

He doesn't fit the 3 and D outline because he's really bad at defense. Unlike a Shaeden Sharpe, who clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about defense, Griffin is trying. He just sucks at it. Teams will hunt him down and carve him up on PnRs and anywhere else. He can't even guard straight up on the perimeter.

[Mr. Body]

Also this guy has a really long neck:

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2021/10/duke-mens-basketball-player-preview-aj-griffin

I mean, look at his neck. Unless he's a turtle, it has to account for an extra two or three inches of his height.

[Mr. Body]

Also this guy has a really long neck:

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2021/10/duke-mens-basketball-player-preview-aj-griffin

I mean, look at his neck. Unless he's a turtle, it has to account for an extra two or three inches of his height.

[KingKev]

The great Leonard Miller has pulled out of the draft.

Local news here in Toronto reporting the opposite. Weighing pro options; NBA draft or Ignite. Won’t play college ball.

[TD 21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8rkz4HBEGE

Starting at 7:15

He doesn't fit the 3 and D outline because he's really bad at defense. Unlike a Shaeden Sharpe, who clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about defense, Griffin is trying. He just sucks at it. Teams will hunt him down and carve him up on PnRs and anywhere else. He can't even guard straight up on the perimeter.

As I said, he does with that body type, so long as he regains more mobility.

There's been plenty of players with + physical tools who changed their reputation as defenders over time.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm seeing that Leonard Miller has not pulled out of the draft, has ruled out college, and might go to the G League Ignite.

[Dejounte]

Still stunned by Alondes’ wizardry with the ball in his hands. Hope he’s the 25th pick or our 2nd rounder. I don’t remember liking this many players in the draft ever. Deep draft.

[Mr. Body]

As I said, he does with that body type, so long as he regains more mobility.

There's been plenty of players with + physical tools who changed their reputation as defenders over time.

I can't imagine thinking Griffin is suddenly going to become athletic and un-cement footed over time.

[Degoat]

I think ST slanders AJ Griffin a bit too much, he’s not somebody I want the spurs to target but if his Medicals are in the clear he’s a lottery talent. His HS tape is Zion esque.

[Mr. Body]

I think ST slanders AJ Griffin a bit too much, he’s not somebody I want the spurs to target but if his Medicals are in the clear he’s a lottery talent. His HS tape is Zion esque.

It ain't high school anymore. He's a really poor defender in a way that will get exponentially worse in the NBA, and he doesn't do much other than shoot. Somehow he got pinned in the top 10 and is sticking there. If a newcomer objectively evaluated these players he'd be closer to 20.

[Degoat]

It ain't high school anymore. He's a really poor defender in a way that will get exponentially worse in the NBA, and he doesn't do much other than shoot. Somehow he got pinned in the top 10 and is sticking there. If a newcomer objectively evaluated these players he'd be closer to 20.


Film doesn’t lie though, he got pinned in the top 10 because he was ranked as a top prospect and showed enough. All Shaedon Sharpe has is HS footage and he’s gonna go top 6 in the draft most likely. His injury history is a BIG concern and that will probably drop him in the draft but people around here act as if he’s a complete scrub. With that being said I don’t want him on the spurs lol he’s just not as bad as ST acts like he is imo.

[Ariel]

I think ST slanders AJ Griffin a bit too much, he’s not somebody I want the spurs to target but if his Medicals are in the clear he’s a lottery talent. His HS tape is Zion esque.
I haven't looked at his HS tape, but I watched him play at Duke and dude had Zion's athleticism. 300 lbs+, injury riddled Zion, that is. Unless by some miracle he regains his form, I wouldn't touch him at no. 9, not even with a 10 ft pole.

[TD 21]

I can't imagine thinking Griffin is suddenly going to become athletic and un-cement footed over time.

I didn't say he would.

[Ariel]

I don’t remember liking this many players in the draft ever. Deep draft.
Yup. I kept reading this was a weak draft... people usually go by the top players, and this draft is not as star stacked as 2021 in the top 8. But after that, this draft looks MUCH better. There are a lot of very good prospects, if we use our picks wisely this could be a pivotal event.

[JPB]

Yup. I kept reading this was a weak draft... people usually go by the top players, and this draft is not as star stacked as 2021 in the top 8. But after that, this draft looks MUCH better. There are a lot of very good prospects, if we use our picks wisely this could be a pivotal event.

I dont read people saying week but rather filled with good but not great players. And maybe some particularly like this draft because spurs have 3 picks ans bad badly need a scorer, and maybe looked further in that one, with every year more and more information (or desinformation) and hype on social media from more and more "pundits"...

Every player is "intriguing" or "impressing" nowadays in the draft.. The truth is we don't know yet and most people never even really saw these young guys in college... Some top 3 picks might bust while later picks will boom. Look at how Leonard Miller went from potential lottery pick to probably wtihdrawing from the draft... I haven't personnaly seen anything yet telling me that this class was particularly great, qiute the contrary, many lottery players seeming to come with flaws, starting by Chet.

[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

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Lol, what a shocker. Dude played this perfectly.

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Yup. I kept reading this was a weak draft... people usually go by the top players, and this draft is not as star stacked as 2021 in the top 8. But after that, this draft looks MUCH better. There are a lot of very good prospects, if we use our picks wisely this could be a pivotal event.

Or we could go find ourselves some electrolytes like last year and not know a fucking thing about who we pick this time next year. Hope we go high floor this year instead of shooting for a hidden gem like we did on Primo and Luka.

I'll be a happy camper with some combination of Murray, Dieng, Jovic, or Mathurian, or Sochan at 9, followed by any of those still available at 20. Then Eason or Daniels, at 20 or 25, if still on the board. Then Cockburn at 38. That would go a LONG ways toward filling problem areas and providing depth where urgently needed.

[scott]

Or we could go find ourselves some electrolytes like last year and not know a fucking thing about who we pick this time next year. Hope we go high floor this year instead of shooting for a hidden gem like we did on Primo and Luka.

I'll be a happy camper with some combination of Murray, Dieng, Jovic, or Mathurian, or Sochan at 9, followed by any of those still available at 20. Then Eason or Daniels, at 20 or 25, if still on the board. Then Cockburn at 38. That would go a LONG ways toward filling problem areas and providing depth where urgently needed.

Is Jovic high floor? And at #9?

[Uriel]

I’m increasingly of the belief that, with Sharpe’s stock seeming to be on the wane, he may be available at #9. Should that be the case, I cannot imagine the Spurs would pass on him.

[Ariel]

I’m increasingly of the belief that, with Sharpe’s stock seeming to be on the wane, he may be available at #9. Should that be the case, I cannot imagine the Spurs would pass on him.
I'm beginning to wonder if Sharpe isn't actually an urban legend.., the man who feared that playing basketball would ruin his career as a basketball player. Sounds like the stuff nightmares are made of.

[Dejounte]

22 more days until we find out who our four or three new rooks are

[Dejounte]

Primo’s workout last year was reportedly scheduled 30 days from Draft Day last year

maybe the prospects who the Spurs brought in early for workouts this year are an indicator who they might draft

PBJ, Minott(presumably), Alondes, Kendall Brown, not sure who else

of course, it’s not all going to be reported…

edit:

more guys they brought in from ptr

Simberg also reports Smith was part of a group the Spurs brought in this Tuesday, including Moussa Diabate, Harrison Ingram, Tyrese Martin, Pete Nance, and Drew Peterson.

[Dejounte]

The speculation is more fun than who they actually draft tbh…

thats why this site gets clicks ;)

[Dejounte]

Oh didnt see anyone else post this but Harrison Ingram is going back to college

[Dejounte]

The Spurs hosted Kansas Jayhawks forward Jalen Wilson for a pre-draft workout, according to reports Monday from The Topeka Capital-Journal. (https://twitter.com/JordanGuskey/status/1526275584925515778)

from si.com

[Dejounte]

The San Antonio Spurs conducted a pre-draft workout with Tulsa forward Jeriah Horne in late April at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament in Portsmouth, VA., according to reports from SBNation Tuesday. (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2022/5/9/23064219/report-the-spurs-have-conducted-a-pre-draft-workout-with-jeriah-horne)

from si.com

[Dejounte]

And two potential suitors? LSU forward Darius Days and Alabama guard Keon Ellis, who the Spurs hosted pre-draft workouts for during the weekend of April 30-May 1, a source close to the situation told SBNation. (https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1521863458530242562?s=20&t=19WyDzGIMR8C9cxVhQolWQ)

from sbnation

[Dejounte]

M
dominick barlowe too according to Noah G on twitter

[The Truth #6]

If I remember, they told Primo not to tell people he had worked out for San Antonio. I'm wondering if their target at 9 will do it similarly, meaning, I wonder what top prospects haven't been reported to visit San Antonio? Ah, the speculation...

[Ocotillo]

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Sharpe has since deleted the tweet that followed this where he said he is firing his Agent, Mr. Body and signing with Rascal.

[Dejounte]

If I remember, they told Primo not to tell people he had worked out for San Antonio. I'm wondering if their target at 9 will do it similarly, meaning, I wonder what top prospects haven't been reported to visit San Antonio? Ah, the speculation...

he may have been told that but it still leaked and was reported. Sounds like he’s not a good keeper of secrets

[Uriel]

It was the same with Vassell. He also was told not to tell others he had worked out for the team.

[Dejounte]

Here’s a bit of nonsense for you

the Spurs have drafted three consecutive big time Kobe fans : Keldon, Vassell, Primo

will they draft another Kobe fan for the fourth time in a row?

[Ariel]

If I remember, they told Primo not to tell people he had worked out for San Antonio. I'm wondering if their target at 9 will do it similarly, meaning, I wonder what top prospects haven't been reported to visit San Antonio? Ah, the speculation...
OK guys,if you see a 6'9" fellow in pink hair in San Antonio trying to go unnoticed, it may be our next draftee. Watch out.

[The Truth #6]

Here’s a bit of nonsense for you

the Spurs have drafted three consecutive big time Kobe fans : Keldon, Vassell, Primo

will they draft another Kobe fan for the fourth time in a row?

I'm guessing a lot of players love Kobe, but I do remember in one video I posted of Tari Eason, he had a bunch of Kobe posters all over his room...

[Mr. Body]

Here’s a bit of nonsense for you

the Spurs have drafted three consecutive big time Kobe fans : Keldon, Vassell, Primo

will they draft another Kobe fan for the fourth time in a row?

Yeah, where are all the John Havilcek fans??

[KingKev]

^ PATFO probably looking for guys who’s favourite Dungeonz and Dragonz character is the same as Timmy’s or maybe The Admiral’s favourite Apostle.

I’d like a guy who’s favourite strip club and glock are the same as Stacks.

[Dex]

Here’s a bit of nonsense for you

the Spurs have drafted three consecutive big time Kobe fans : Keldon, Vassell, Primo

will they draft another Kobe fan for the fourth time in a row?

I mean...pretty much everyone in this new generation of drafts was probably a Kobe fan. They grew up watching him, Duncan, LeBron, etc.

Hell, I hated Kobe and the Lakers for many Spurs-related reasons, and even I eventually came around to being a fan just for his skill on the basketball court.

Sure, he could be kind of a shitty person (based on his overall arrogance and, of course, the rape allegation)...but you can't deny he was a basketball savant.

I wouldn't look much into it.

[Ice009]

The worst places to live in the NBA are OKC, Salt Lake, Indianapolis, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Portland. Every other location is fine. Some are better than others but overall at worst if you avoid those 6 cities I mentioned you will end up in a decent place.

Can I ask a little bit about those cities? I would have thought Indianapolis, Sacramento and Portland (is Seattle in the same category if they still had a team?) would be OK places to live, but since I'm not in the US, don't know much about them.

[The Truth #6]

SA has a relatively small black community for a city its size, and it's relatively boring. I'm assuming the same for Salt Lake City. I can't say about the other places, other than OKC seeming horrific when I passed through, though that was years ago, and everyone was hanging out in the wealthy suburbs. Portland is a super popular place, at least for hipsters, so I wouldn't think that would be a horrible place compared to some others.

[Mr. Body]

Can I ask a little bit about those cities? I would have thought Indianapolis, Sacramento and Portland (is Seattle in the same category if they still had a team?) would be OK places to live, but since I'm not in the US, don't know much about them.

Portland is probably a pretty great place to live, pretty eclectic. Indianapolis is incredibly boring. Sacramento has that reputation, too, but at least is in California. Salt Lake City is in a shitheel state controlled by a religiously tyrannical sect but has beautiful nature. Oklahoma is just a horrible state on every level.

[mo7888]

Can I ask a little bit about those cities? I would have thought Indianapolis, Sacramento and Portland (is Seattle in the same category if they still had a team?) would be OK places to live, but since I'm not in the US, don't know much about them.

It just depends on what you like to do...I'm not a fan of Seattle just like I'm not a fan of Austin...cities that don't have a plan to deal with a burgeoning homeless population aren't appealing to me but, some people don't have a problem with it.

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Is Jovic high floor? And at #9?

Yes, if what we all hated about Luka was his intensity and motor, then you've solved those with this kid. The only thing average about him is his defense right now and undoubtedly that would improve. Why? If Luka gave us all Wow moments on defense even with his motor, I'm quite sure they can do the same with a guy that has it in him. Plus he can guard 1-4. Offensively he can dribble and cut like a guard and is a mid 30s 3 pt% shooter. He's arguably the best international prospect.

And I doubt they wouldn't take him at 9 given the fuckups on Luka, but we took Luka at what, 19? And if he's got all the positives of Luka with none of the negatives, I'd say he's most definitely a high floor guy. And I'd love to see him at 20 ideally.

And that's also why I say any of those guys remaining at 20 or 25. Nets currently projected to take him at 23, OKC at 26 per some drafts.

[The Truth #6]

It just depends on what you like to do...I'm not a fan of Seattle just like I'm not a fan of Austin...cities that don't have a plan to deal with a burgeoning homeless population aren't appealing to me but, some people don't have a problem with it.

Popular cities almost always have a high homeless population. Santa Monica, NYC, San Francisco, Los Angeles--just a few that come to mind. It becomes a feedback loop; more homeless people come, more resources are spent to help those people. Back in the day, cities would buy homeless people bus tickets to send them somewhere else ("bus therapy") but that isn't done as much these days. I'll stop there because it's a political discussion. Not directing this at you Mo, but couldn't help but comment on this in general.

[The Truth #6]

Back to the draft. Every year certain names are popular for players. A few years ago, it was Jaden. Now it seems to be there are a ton of players with the last name Williams this year.

Jalen Williams
Jaylin Williams
Trevion Williams
Alondes Williams

Decent chance we are looking at more than one of them.

[R. DeMurre]

It's such an individual decision to prefer one city over another. I like New Orleans much more than most American cities, but the crime issue there is real so I understand why people I know have left. I'm always a little shocked when players seem to prefer places like LA and Miami, but they're young millionaires and those places have more trendy clubs & beaches & fancy car dealerships & strip clubs & the like, so it's understandable... I don't think too many young guys care too much about things like history/older culture, architecture, etc... But it does make me laugh when some people characterize a college guy who has gone to play in Europe as a failure! Living in Barcelona or Istanbul or Rome and getting paid a million bucks a year to play basketball is far from any kind of failure in my book.

[Uriel]

It's such an individual decision to prefer one city over another. I like New Orleans much more than most American cities, but the crime issue there is real so I understand why people I know have left. I'm always a little shocked when players seem to prefer places like LA and Miami, but they're young millionaires and those places have more trendy clubs & beaches & fancy car dealerships & strip clubs & the like, so it's understandable... I don't think too many young guys care too much about things like history/older culture, architecture, etc... But it does make me laugh when some people characterize a college guy who has gone to play in Europe as a failure! Living in Barcelona or Istanbul or Rome and getting paid a million bucks a year to play basketball is far from any kind of failure in my book.
That’s so true. When you put it that way, it really puts things in perspective.

[Leetonidas]

I think the city arguments are weird in this day and age. Like yeah San Antonio sucks, but do most players even live in the city the play for during the offseason? The NBA season is like 7 months and teams are on the road for a good portion of it. the other half of the year they can live wherever. I honestly don't know, but i would think in today's world it wouldnt be as big of a deal playing in a small market. could be wrong though

[Trill Clinton]

I think the city arguments are weird in this day and age. Like yeah San Antonio sucks, but do most players even live in the city the play for during the offseason? The NBA season is like 7 months and teams are on the road for a good portion of it. the other half of the year they can live wherever. I honestly don't know, but i would think in today's world it wouldnt be as big of a deal playing in a small market. could be wrong though

Facts.

Texas is the best spot for an athlete to live/play in because of the no state income tax. If an athlete is focused on nightlife or extra curricular activities instead of hoops then thats a red flag for me.

[NickiRasgo]

Back to the draft. Every year certain names are popular for players. A few years ago, it was Jaden. Now it seems to be there are a ton of players with the last name Williams this year.

Jalen Williams
Jaylin Williams
Trevion Williams
Alondes Williams

Decent chance we are looking at more than one of them.

Jalen Williams - 9th
Jaylin Williams - 20th
Trevion Williams - 25th
Alondes Williams - 38th

:smokin

[Dex]

Facts.

Texas is the best spot for an athlete to live/play in because of the no state income tax. If an athlete is focused on nightlife or extra curricular activities instead of hoops then thats a red flag for me.

This is something I've never understood. These guys travel for like half of the year. They are all still going to have plenty of chances to be in the LAs, the Miamis, the New Yorks, and San Frans and whatever else floats their boat.

Then they have the other half of the year off and enough money to travel and stay WHEREVER THE HELL THEY WANT.

I understand that being in a big market gets you more exposure and possible advertising incentives but...don't act like you want to play in LA because you love the beaches or go to Miami because you love the club scene. Even if you live there, you spend half of the year resting, practicing, or flying somewhere else.

It's all about money at the end of the day.

[Thomas82]

This is something I've never understood. These guys travel for like half of the year. They are all still going to have plenty of chances to be in the LAs, the Miamis, the New Yorks, and San Frans and whatever else floats their boat.

Then they have the other half of the year off and enough money to travel and stay WHEREVER THE HELL THEY WANT.

I understand that being in a big market gets you more exposure and possible advertising incentives but...don't act like you want to play in LA because you love the beaches or go to Miami because you love the club scene. Even if you live there, you spend half of the year resting, practicing, or flying somewhere else.

It's all about money at the end of the day.

Very well said!!

[wildbill2u]

Yeah, where are all the John Havilcek fans??

Nursing homes or pushing up daisies for the most part. I'm still alive and remember how great he was.

[wildbill2u]

Back to the draft. Every year certain names are popular for players. A few years ago, it was Jaden. Now it seems to be there are a ton of players with the last name Williams this year.

Jalen Williams
Jaylin Williams
Trevion Williams
Alondes Williams

Decent chance we are looking at more than one of them.

Their Papa was a rolling stone, wherever he hung his hat was his home???

[The Truth #6]

I have no idea who they will draft but will continue to speculate needlessly. I will say this, likely projecting here, but it feels like Wright has a certain look he now goes for: clean cut, wholesome, handsome, possibly Canadian, likely a player raised by two parents. It sure seems that way for the last little bit. Caleb Houstan looks exactly like that, so it does worry me a bit.

I really wish they’d follow the Grizzlies approach more or less: high defensive floor, gritty, some offensive upside, doesn’t matter if they are older. Those guys can still continue to improve. Young players now have so little training, it doesn’t matter if they are 22, they are still raw, in my opinion.

[John B]

It was the same with Vassell. He also was told not to tell others he had worked out for the team.

Are the teams legally obligated to fulfill their promise? And so the agents doing the leak to make sure their clients have other options in case?

[exstatic]

Are the teams legally obligated to fulfill their promise? And so the agents doing the leak to make sure their clients have other options in case?

I don’t know about other teams, but the Spurs word would be good. I would think that any team that reneged would be dead to the major agencies. Free agency would become a major task just to fill your roster out.

[SAGirl]

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[Dejounte]

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Hmm this could be pick #4 by the Spurs

[rjv]

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/moussa-diabate/

[Mr. Body]

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/moussa-diabate/

Wolverines fans I've run into tend to like Diabate more than Houstan, who they think was mistaken for staying in the draft. They do say Diabate has hands of stone.

[rjv]

Wolverines fans I've run into tend to like Diabate more than Houstan, who they think was mistaken for staying in the draft. They do say Diabate has hands of stone.

don't care for the hands of stone, if that's accurate, but i think that's less of a big deal for a stretch four than it would be for a traditional post up four.

[CGD]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting the feeling more and more that the Spurs are loving having three picks in 20-40 range. Almost every player we hear connected to them is or at least was projected to go 20th or later. Maybe they just feel more comfortable scouting there. Maybe they're trying to cover up their interest at 9 by spamming us with info about later in the draft. But I don't think they have nearly as much interest in reducing the number of picks they're making than some fans assume they do. As I said, they probably got so many picks in this draft for a reason.

This is my feeling too. In fact I was just thinking about where the roster slots would come from if they took 3 or even all 4, and who of the current roster is not long for the team.

[The Truth #6]

Would make for a lively training camp.

[mo7888]

ESPN Sources: The Brooklyn Nets are deferring acquisition of the Philadelphia 76ers 2022 first-round pick at No. 23 to the 2023 NBA Draft. The option on pushing back pick comes out of the James Harden-Ben Simmons trade. Nets had to inform the league office of decision today.

Woj

[Chinook]

ESPN Sources: The Brooklyn Nets are deferring acquisition of the Philadelphia 76ers 2022 first-round pick at No. 23 to the 2023 NBA Draft. The option on pushing back pick comes out of the James Harden-Ben Simmons trade. Nets had to inform the league office of decision today.

Woj

Brooklyn made a shrewd move, seeing as they have locked Philly out of trading a future first until 2029 (2022 is a current pick). The Sixers are a Harden walking and Embiid injury away from conveying a good pick. Besides that, it doesn't help them too much. They already had a pick next year, though it's encumbered by the swap with Houston. The Nets might have to consider salvaging assets from Durant, Irving, Simmons and some role-players within the next year or so, so future unprotected picks seem like a decent way to start that process.

[Chinook]

This is my feeling too. In fact I was just thinking about where the roster slots would come from if they took 3 or even all 4, and who of the current roster is not long for the team.

Remember that they have five RFAs to offer QOs to right now. Then they have three expiring deals for deep-bench players. Finally they have Richardson and McDermott who might be traded away. So that's 10 of the 17 roster spots in flux. For sure, some of those guys will be brought back or retained, the ones traded away will bring in new contracts, and the team will or at least should look to bring in more with their cap space. But it's not hard to see them bring in four rookies. As I've mentioned before, you can make a real argument that PG, SF, PF and C all need new blood. Some of those positions could use two new players.

[SAGirl]

Wolverines fans I've run into tend to like Diabate more than Houstan, who they think was mistaken for staying in the draft. They do say Diabate has hands of stone.
Thats a bad sign, reminder of Jeff Ayres. A big man who cant catch a pass or a rebound.

[rascal]

ESPN Sources: The Brooklyn Nets are deferring acquisition of the Philadelphia 76ers 2022 first-round pick at No. 23 to the 2023 NBA Draft. The option on pushing back pick comes out of the James Harden-Ben Simmons trade. Nets had to inform the league office of decision today.

Woj

So Philly will be picking instead of the Nets.

Any impact in the difference in teams with who the Spurs might be interested in at 25?

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1532117745785098240

Kinda surprising, tbh.

[rascal]

Many Knick fans don't want Sochan.
The Knicks are like the spurs. They lack athleticism and a top league scorer on the team and Sochan is not it.

The top scorer on the Spurs is Murray who ranked 31st in the league.
You aren't going far without a top league go to scorer on the team. I don't care how many defensive guys you put on the team.

Spurs need to come away with a player with offensive upside, a future potential top 20 scorer from this draft.

Even if it means trading up a little to get one.
There are some potential players who can be that in a couple of years from this draft.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1532117745785098240

Kinda surprising, tbh.

Butler couldn't bear to let Chet Holmgren be the skinniest guy in the class.

[Uriel]

ESPN Sources: The Brooklyn Nets are deferring acquisition of the Philadelphia 76ers 2022 first-round pick at No. 23 to the 2023 NBA Draft. The option on pushing back pick comes out of the James Harden-Ben Simmons trade. Nets had to inform the league office of decision today.

Woj
Didn’t even know you could do that. Can we do that for either the Boston or Toronto picks?

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1532117745785098240

Kinda surprising, tbh.

Yes i think he could benefit from another year in college

btw a lot of prospects ( roddy, butler, houstan, diabate,terry, lewis...) going to the draft is good for the depth. 38 pick could be really interesting.

[CGD]

Remember that they have five RFAs to offer QOs to right now. Then they have three expiring deals for deep-bench players. Finally they have Richardson and McDermott who might be traded away. So that's 10 of the 17 roster spots in flux. For sure, some of those guys will be brought back or retained, the ones traded away will bring in new contracts, and the team will or at least should look to bring in more with their cap space. But it's not hard to see them bring in four rookies. As I've mentioned before, you can make a real argument that PG, SF, PF and C all need new blood. Some of those positions could use two new players.

All valid.

I also can’t help but feel this draft will go a long way to telling us if they’re starting the transition in earnest to the next crop of young guys, centered around Primo, Vassell, and some combo of these 4 picks.

There is probably real behind the scenes discussion about DeJounte’s future that we won’t ever know about.

[ace3g]

​https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1532087182743281665

[mo7888]

Didn’t even know you could do that. Can we do that for either the Boston or Toronto picks?

We don't have that option..

[Chinook]

All valid.

I also can’t help but feel this draft will go a long way to telling us if they’re starting the transition in earnest to the next crop of young guys, centered around Primo, Vassell, and some combo of these 4 picks.

There is probably real behind the scenes discussion about DeJounte’s future that we won’t ever know about.

There probably is, but I don't think they've collected so many picks in order to trade Murray, because the dude will just bring in more picks. Like people are saying the Kings or Blazers would give their pick for Murray. If that's true, why would the Spurs care about the 25th and 38th picks? The Spurs should be open to trading Murray, but I don't see them doing to until next summer. Even if the Spurs have cap space and nothing to spend it on, they can still renegotiate and extend Murray in October, which would increase his trade value the following June.

[Chinook]

Didn’t even know you could do that. Can we do that for either the Boston or Toronto picks?

The option to do so can be incorporated into trades. NOP has the same right with the 2025 LAL first.

[mo7888]

So Philly will be picking instead of the Nets.

Any impact in the difference in teams with who the Spurs might be interested in at 25?

I haven't really thought it through but, I'd expect Philly to go with whoever they think is most ready for this season even if their ceiling is low.

[mo7888]

So Philly will be picking instead of the Nets.

Any impact in the difference in teams with who the Spurs might be interested in at 25?

I haven't really thought it through but, I'd expect Philly to go with whoever they think is most ready for this season even if their ceiling is low.

[exstatic]

Didn’t even know you could do that. Can we do that for either the Boston or Toronto picks?

That was built into their trade, an option to take their pick this year or next. We don’t have that option.

[Degoat]

I swear Johnny Davis is going to be really good and the spurs will end up passing on him.

[daslicer]

Can I ask a little bit about those cities? I would have thought Indianapolis, Sacramento and Portland (is Seattle in the same category if they still had a team?) would be OK places to live, but since I'm not in the US, don't know much about them.

Indianapolis has a history of being a backwards place so it's not desirable to me. Sacramento is just a boring small town. Portland is way too white for me and again is a small town. I'm not picky about where to live it's why I mentioned 24-25 NBA cities are good enough for me to live in. All though I do prefer warm places.

For me what qualifies to me as good enough a city that has a population of at least 500K or larger, diversity, and isn't filled with religious conservative nutcases. I currently live in Charlotte, and it checks off all the boxes for me.

[BackHome]

Yes i think he could benefit from another year in college

btw a lot of prospects ( roddy, butler, houstan, diabate,terry, lewis...) going to the draft is good for the depth. 38 pick could be really interesting.

This draft is looking more and more heavy to mid first to even mid second for legit players. Hell I think they will be some guys who don't get drafted who may be better then some of the first round picks a lot of hidden gems I think will be found in late second and in the undrafted groups.

[CGD]

Saw someone propose the following trade somewhere else, which I thought was plausible if spurs/mavs could get past their history:

DAL: Richardson; Doug; 20
SAS: Hardaway; 26; future FRP

Hardway has 3 years which isn’t excellent but at least salary decreases over time.

You do this one, right?

[PhantomDashCam]

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Well we know Kendall worked out for SA. Wonder if Marjon was there too or perhaps stopping through on the way back? Houston also set to work out Jovic this week…

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1532087182743281665

[R. DeMurre]

Saw someone propose the following trade somewhere else, which I thought was plausible if spurs/mavs could get past their history:

DAL: Richardson; Doug; 20
SAS: Hardaway; 26; future FRP

Hardway has 3 years which isn’t excellent but at least salary decreases over time.

You do this one, right?


Dallas already had Richardson once, and traded him away for cap relief after Hardaway took his starting spot. I don't think they're giving up a future FRP to give him a second chance.

[CGD]

Dallas already had Richardson once, and traded him away for cap relief after Hardaway took his starting spot. I don't think they're giving up a future FRP to give him a second chance.

Didn’t he realize they had him already, so yeah that makes it less likely for sure.

I think their idea was trying to figure out more Bertans types deals, that while not excellent, help them get off long term $$.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1532087182743281665

Like him at 25, but for the love of God I hope they draft size elsewhere

[Ice009]

SA has a relatively small black community for a city its size, and it's relatively boring. I'm assuming the same for Salt Lake City. I can't say about the other places, other than OKC seeming horrific when I passed through, though that was years ago, and everyone was hanging out in the wealthy suburbs. Portland is a super popular place, at least for hipsters, so I wouldn't think that would be a horrible place compared to some others.

Yeah, I hear nothing but bad things about OKC. How in the heck were the Supersonics allowed to be moved there. I probably wouldn't mind being in those other cities as they don't sound too bad. Not sure about SLC either, though. I think I'd like Portland the city itself, but not sure if a hipster crowd would be my type of crowd at all.


Portland is probably a pretty great place to live, pretty eclectic. Indianapolis is incredibly boring. Sacramento has that reputation, too, but at least is in California. Salt Lake City is in a shitheel state controlled by a religiously tyrannical sect but has beautiful nature. Oklahoma is just a horrible state on every level.

I figured Sacramento being in California wouldn't be too bad. I always wondered why they never got a lot of free agents to go there. The team sucking and having crap management would be one reason, but I didn't realize it's not that big of a town.

Just want to say thanks to all for all the insights in to these cities as it's interesting to know a little bit about them. Cities that I thought might be good, I'd likely cross off my list if ever going on that planned visit to the US sometime in future.


It just depends on what you like to do...I'm not a fan of Seattle just like I'm not a fan of Austin...cities that don't have a plan to deal with a burgeoning homeless population aren't appealing to me but, some people don't have a problem with it.

I am a fan of nature and stuff so I am kind of drawn into Seattle as Washington State sounds like a very scenic countryside with nice forests, mountains, water etc. Sounds like there is a good amount of outdoor activities along with the nice country side (not that I am huge into outdoor activities, but if I lived somewhere that had more of them, I would definitely try to get outdoors a lot more), but I guess I don't know what type of crowd/people are there. I also like the idea of rainy days as from where I am from it's quite dry most of the year. I know it's not close to the wettest cities in the US, but seems like it has a nice balance.


It's such an individual decision to prefer one city over another. I like New Orleans much more than most American cities, but the crime issue there is real so I understand why people I know have left. I'm always a little shocked when players seem to prefer places like LA and Miami, but they're young millionaires and those places have more trendy clubs & beaches & fancy car dealerships & strip clubs & the like, so it's understandable... I don't think too many young guys care too much about things like history/older culture, architecture, etc... But it does make me laugh when some people characterize a college guy who has gone to play in Europe as a failure! Living in Barcelona or Istanbul or Rome and getting paid a million bucks a year to play basketball is far from any kind of failure in my book.

I actually think NO would be quite cool, but I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like it if there is a fair bit of crime. I assume the music scene is good there, or has that dropped off these days? I also wouldn't mind LA or Miami from the sounds of it, but even if I was loaded like NBA players, I wouldn't choose those cities for the reasons you mentioned. It's more the weather that interests me in those places. I also assume as people get older, the weather would be more comfortable in those places.


I think the city arguments are weird in this day and age. Like yeah San Antonio sucks, but do most players even live in the city the play for during the offseason? The NBA season is like 7 months and teams are on the road for a good portion of it. the other half of the year they can live wherever. I honestly don't know, but i would think in today's world it wouldnt be as big of a deal playing in a small market. could be wrong though

100% agree. If I were an NBA player and didn't like the city much, I just wouldn't live there during the off-season. I'd pick the team based on the best fit, players I'd like to play with and coaching staff/player development that could lift my game. I wouldn't care what city I am in when you can live anywhere in the off-season. Also, an NBA career isn't that long really, so you can always do other stuff after retiring.


This is something I've never understood. These guys travel for like half of the year. They are all still going to have plenty of chances to be in the LAs, the Miamis, the New Yorks, and San Frans and whatever else floats their boat.

Then they have the other half of the year off and enough money to travel and stay WHEREVER THE HELL THEY WANT.

I understand that being in a big market gets you more exposure and possible advertising incentives but...don't act like you want to play in LA because you love the beaches or go to Miami because you love the club scene. Even if you live there, you spend half of the year resting, practicing, or flying somewhere else.

It's all about money at the end of the day.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense when you're travelling through those cities. If anything, you should be more focused on Basketball, training, resting, recovery etc. throughout the season rather than living somewhere you can do leisure/fun/partying type of activities during the season. It's probably better to pass through those places. Having said that, as long as you can focus on what you're getting paid to do, I guess going out wouldn't hurt that much. Just depends on the person and his priorities. All I'd be interested in is winning if I was in the NBA, but have read that is not the first priority of a lot of NBA players.


Indianapolis has a history of being a backwards place so it's not desirable to me. Sacramento is just a boring small town. Portland is way too white for me and again is a small town. I'm not picky about where to live it's why I mentioned 24-25 NBA cities are good enough for me to live in. All though I do prefer warm places.

For me what qualifies to me as good enough a city that has a population of at least 500K or larger, diversity, and isn't filled with religious conservative nutcases. I currently live in Charlotte, and it checks off all the boxes for me.

Charlotte sounds decent, also NC seems like a nice place. I am guessing the countryside is quite good/nice there? Indianapolis doesn't sound as good as I thought it was. Didn't realize it's a bit backwards. Sacramento is sounding worse and worse as above posters mentioned the same thing. Portland I'm not sure about it as it sounds like it has some nice qualities and some not so exciting.


This draft is looking more and more heavy to mid first to even mid second for legit players. Hell I think they will be some guys who don't get drafted who may be better then some of the first round picks a lot of hidden gems I think will be found in late second and in the undrafted groups.

Getting back on topic of the thread, this does sound really intriguing draft. Sounds like there could be players that are in the second round or players that go undrafted that could be worth a real look. Could find some incredible diamonds in the rough that go undrafted, or slip into the second round. I wonder if the Spurs would be interested in another second round pick. This is going to be a super interesting draft.


Saw someone propose the following trade somewhere else, which I thought was plausible if spurs/mavs could get past their history:

DAL: Richardson; Doug; 20
SAS: Hardaway; 26; future FRP

Hardway has 3 years which isn’t excellent but at least salary decreases over time.

You do this one, right?

Not sure Dallas would have any interest in that trade. I wouldn't mind it, though. How do you rate Tim Hardaway Jr.? Also, what was wrong with TH Jr. during the playoffs? What was his injury?

[dbestpro]

Drafting anyone 6-6 or less at number 9 is an admission that the Primo pick was a mistake.

[JuneJive]

Drafting anyone 6-6 or less at number 9 is an admission that the Primo pick was a mistake.

Huh?

What if the BPA is someone of that profile?

[drpill]

If a player the Spurs really want is available in the 6-8 range, but possibly gone at 9, what would it take to trade up? Would the 9 and 20 or 25 be enough to trade up one or two picks? There are a lot of interesting players who might be available at 20 (and at 25, for that matter). But if the team is targeting someone who they think is a difference maker could they get it done with one of these picks or would it require more or different assets?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Drafting anyone 6-6 or less at number 9 is an admission that the Primo pick was a mistake.

Sound logic. Because we all know teams only have 1 player 6'6 or less in their rotations. Besides, who cares about wings in today's NBA - it's all about them bigs.

[The Truth #6]

Drafting anyone 6-6 or less at number 9 is an admission that the Primo pick was a mistake.

No, wait, you didn't hear about his open growth plates?? He's basically 6'8", but we need to give it some more time. His agent told us so!

[Mr. Body]

If a player the Spurs really want is available in the 6-8 range, but possibly gone at 9, what would it take to trade up? Would the 9 and 20 or 25 be enough to trade up one or two picks? There are a lot of interesting players who might be available at 20 (and at 25, for that matter). But if the team is targeting someone who they think is a difference maker could they get it done with one of these picks or would it require more or different assets?

I feel like the 20 or 25 wouldn't be enough to move up. Maybe both together, but I don't think any team would be in the market for that. If the Spurs could get, say, 16 or 17 for those two, then pair with the 9?

[The Truth #6]

Charlotte seems like the most obvious potential trade partner as others have mentioned, but we'll see. Brian Wright could surprise us.

[rjv]

drew timme is headed back to gonzaga.

[exstatic]

drew timme is headed back to gonzaga.

He showed up at 16% body fat to the combine. Maybe lay off the beer and pizza before your job interview.

[Mr. Body]

Timme will make a good bit of money overseas, but not in the NBA.

[Dejounte]

Jalen Williams in San Antonio

[CGD]

Jalen Williams in San Antonio

Is that the Arkansas one or Cali one?

[Dejounte]

Cali

[PhantomDashCam]

1532419622829494272


https://youtu.be/TBbZmx9wzoo

I've never heard a player candidly admit things could've gone better in a workout...Impressive interview.

Definite 'Sleeper' potential...

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[RC_Drunkford]

I haven't really thought it through but, I'd expect Philly to go with whoever they think is most ready for this season even if their ceiling is low.

I could see them drafting Lidell

[mo7888]

I could see them drafting Lidell

Definitely fits the profile....

[keithington1]

Quick mock draft. Tried to go for need and potential.
Magic- Jabari Smith
Thunder- Paolo Banchero
Rockets- Chet Holmgren
Kings- Shaedon Sharpe
Pistons- Jaden Ivey
Pacers- Keegan Murray
Blazers- AJ Griffin
Pelicans- Dyson Daniels
Spurs- Jalen Duren
Wizards- Johnny Davis
Knicks- Benedict Mathurin
Thunder- Jalen Williams
Hornets- Ousmane Dieng
Cavs- Ochai Agbaji
Hornets- Jaden Hardy
Hawks- Tari Eason
Rockets- Malaki Branham
Bulls- Patrick Baldwin Jr.
TWolves- MarJon Beauchamp
Spurs- Bryce McGowens
Nuggets- Kendall Brown
Grizzlies- Jeremy Sochan
76ers- Ty Ty Washington
Bucks- Jake Laravia
Spurs- Nikola Jovic
Mavs- Mark Williams
Heat- EJ Liddell
Warriors- Dalen Terry
Grizzlies- Ryan Rollins
Thunder- Walker Kessler

[Russ]

Quick mock draft. Tried to go for need and potential.
Magic- Jabari Smith
Thunder- Paolo Banchero
Rockets- Chet Holmgren
Kings- Shaedon Sharpe
Pistons- Jaden Ivey
Pacers- Keegan Murray
Blazers- AJ Griffin
Pelicans- Dyson Daniels
Spurs- Jalen Duren
Wizards- Johnny Davis
Knicks- Benedict Mathurin
Thunder- Jalen Williams
Hornets- Ousmane Dieng
Cavs- Ochai Agbaji
Hornets- Jaden Hardy
Hawks- Tari Eason
Rockets- Malaki Branham
Bulls- Patrick Baldwin Jr.
TWolves- MarJon Beauchamp
Spurs- Bryce McGowens
Nuggets- Kendall Brown
Grizzlies- Jeremy Sochan
76ers- Ty Ty Washington
Bucks- Jake Laravia
Spurs- Nikola Jovic
Mavs- Mark Williams
Heat- EJ Liddell
Warriors- Dalen Terry
Grizzlies- Ryan Rollins
Thunder- Walker Kessler

It's a nice rendering but I really hope you're wrong.

[Ice009]

The Spurs are going to end up with an entire team of beta, 2nd rate role player offensive players if they go Sochan at 9, with no alpha scorer on the team.

You can't win with that type of team.

Have you seen Dejounte's splits month by month throughout the season? He made great leaps from month to month (MIP type of stuff). It's why I was upset that Ja won it over him. Ja played the same most of the year, but Dejounte improved a lot within the actual season.

He started off averaging 17.8ppg in the first month of the season, but then Jan/Feb/Mar he went up to : Jan-22.9/Feb-23.8/Mar-25.6. He really was playing great by the end of March where he averaged 25.6ppg for the month. Pretty amazing progress through the season IMO. As I mentioned after the Spurs were eliminated, I would have loved to have seen how his April would have been had he not gotten sick. It really sucks he wasn't able to finish off the season at the level he was playing at before getting sick. I also wonder if he was carrying a slight injury in April as I recall he tweaked something in one of the last games before he got sick.

[rjv]

https://www.nba.com/news/112-early-entry-candidates-withdraw-from-nba-draft-2022


official list of players pulling out of the draft. i was a bit surprised by terquavion smith deciding to return to NC state.

[NickiRasgo]

https://www.nba.com/news/112-early-entry-candidates-withdraw-from-nba-draft-2022


official list of players pulling out of the draft. i was a bit surprised by terquavion smith deciding to return to NC state.

Damn! 112. Didn't realize how high the number of applicants every draft/year.

Also, didn't know that Shareef (O'Neal) is already a Junior. It's not like he needed to be drafted or to have an NBA career as their life is already set, financially speaking. Same goes with Bronny (James) and Zaire (Wade), I don't see them being so hungry for something since they grew up wealthy and then, there's pressure being compared to their respective father.

[SAGirl]

Have a great feeling the Spurs will come out with a good player — a contributor — from this draft. I am setting expectations at reasonable — a high floor guy at least. The 9th spot historically has a good chance to yield a good player, an all star even — odds that weren’t there for the 12 or even the 11. Someone good will fall and I trust the Spurs know what they are doing and will grab him.

Then the lower picks 20-38 are great for filling out holes in the team, take fliers, and gambles on guys they like that may pan out or not, but if they get a good player out of the 9th, the other three picks are gravy.

Also, I feel like the Spurs are due for a hit. Its precisely the KingKiev narrative about how they have been average as of late with their drafting. I think they are just due for a hit, whether its because that guy falls to them at 9, or they just get lucky and grab a sleeper or late bloomer later.
:flag:

[CGD]

Whose got this: https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1532715438592901120?s=21&t=8JUpYP03O3Q2byxk5mdMCg

[Mr. Body]

Whose got this: https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1532715438592901120?s=21&t=8JUpYP03O3Q2byxk5mdMCg

He has the Spurs picking Jalen Duren, Tari Eason, Jaden Hardy, Khalifa Diop.

He seems to have moved from the Spurs promising Caleb Houstan.

[objective]

Kendall Brown going back to Baylor is a surprise, thought he was a lock for the first round

[Mr. Body]

Kendall Brown going back to Baylor is a surprise, thought he was a lock for the first round

I believe he's staying in. A version of the withdrawal list mistakenly included him.

[CGD]

He has the Spurs picking Jalen Duren, Tari Eason, Jaden Hardy, Khalifa Diop.

He seems to have moved from the Spurs promising Caleb Houstan.

Man, so many folks have us taking Duren at 9. Wonder if they’re basing it on something other than a feeling Jakob will be gone in a year?

That, or my latest conspiracy: Spurs will take Duren at 9 and turn around and dangle it in front of CHA for 13&15 if Williams is picked before 13. Then with 13 & 15 they take 2 of Davis, Sochan, Dieng, Eason, Branham

[R. DeMurre]

Kendall Brown going back to Baylor is a surprise, thought he was a lock for the first round


It's being reported now that it was a mistake, and he's still in...

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2022/06/02/baylor-kendall-brown-nba-draft-early-entry-withdrawal/

[Thomas82]

He has the Spurs picking Jalen Duren, Tari Eason, Jaden Hardy, Khalifa Diop.

He seems to have moved from the Spurs promising Caleb Houstan.

I would be ecstatic with that haul.

[bluebellmaniac]

Jalen Williams in San Antonio

Has a contract on a house contingent on the draft... Looks like he has a promise.

[timvp]

Jalen Williams in San Antonio

A visit? Where'd you see that, tbh?

[rjv]

A visit? Where'd you see that, tbh?

i was wondering the same. i haven't been able to find a source.

[Dejounte]

A visit? Where'd you see that, tbh?


i was wondering the same. i haven't been able to find a source.

fwiw it was his instagram story where he was in an airport and “SAN ANTONIO” was on a sign behind him

[rascal]

Anyone have a list of the players who have worked out with the Spurs?

Will the Spurs draft a player who doesn't meet with them?

[Dejounte]

I dont doubt the Spurs would draft someone they didnt meet with

it could also be a matter of it being unreported and they actually did meet with that player

people will point to them drafting so and so and refer to reports that they didnt meet with that player

i dont believe anything with the Spurs is truly constant. They may have done X, Y, and Z in the past, but they always adapt to the times and leadership is always changing. People say, “well, it’s what the Spurs do”, then a year later like this past offseason they made several trades that were uncharacteristic of them.

It’s “uncharacteristic” because you believed the Spurs act a certain way. The only thing constant about them is that they adapt or they try to do things before the rest of the league.

[Uriel]

If the Spurs draft Williams at #9, it will cement the narrative that they overemphasize pre-draft camps like the combine.

[Uriel]

While pre-draft camps are an important tool for evaluating prospects, I don’t believe they should be the end-all, be-all that the Spurs sometimes seem to treat them as (as evidenced by them picking prospects like Samanic or Jean-Charles largely based on one strong game at a pre-draft camp).

Rather, I believe they should be used as one evaluation tool among many, looking at a player’s entire body of work leading up to that moment.

[Dejounte]

It doesn’t cement anything. We don’t know what data they have available. If anything, they probably use it to confirm their pre-draft assumptions gathered from season-long evaluation work. Fans love to pretend like the entire process is akin to an airplane pilot with only three buttons to press: Fly, land, and speakerphone. You only have access to what’s presented to you on the surface by way of Youtube videos, articles, and mock drafts (which are 99% wrong come draft day). Stop pretending like you have access to more than that. Jesus Christ.

[BackHome]

That would be a complete Cluster Fuck if we were to pick Williams with the 9th pick

[SAGirl]

Anyone have a list of the players who have worked out with the Spurs?

Will the Spurs draft a player who doesn't meet with them?
They have done that in the past if someone falls to them that they liked and the player didn’t work out for them bc he expected to go higher. I can see it if someone falls. For the later picks they likely get their darlings still on the board.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs draft Williams at #9, it will cement the narrative that they overemphasize pre-draft camps like the combine.

they have been doing that for a while tbh. Livio and Samanic for example

[exstatic]

Anyone have a list of the players who have worked out with the Spurs?

Will the Spurs draft a player who doesn't meet with them?

They never interviewed, met, or worked out Kawhi. Same with Batum, but he got grabbed one pick before ours.

[TD 21]

i dont believe anything with the Spurs is truly constant. They may have done X, Y, and Z in the past, but they always adapt to the times and leadership is always changing. People say, “well, it’s what the Spurs do”, then a year later like this past offseason they made several trades that were uncharacteristic of them.

It’s “uncharacteristic” because you believed the Spurs act a certain way. The only thing constant about them is that they adapt or they try to do things before the rest of the league.

Please. They clearly have a type they favor (Scumbag excluded, who has an atypical personality for a professional athlete, biracial and/or foreign) unless an inner city American falls to such an extent that the value is too good to pass up (Blair, Murray).

There isn't an organization that's been less adaptable to the times than this. They rarely draft or develop players with modern skillsets, continue to play an archaic style and refuse to promote their players.

[bluebellmaniac]

Anyone have a list of the players who have worked out with the Spurs?

Will the Spurs draft a player who doesn't meet with them?

Also didn't meet with Keldon. He refused in fact.

[exstatic]

Also didn't meet with Keldon. He refused in fact.

He didn’t work out for us, because he was slotted late lottery, and we had #29. Not sure if they met with him or not. You have to limit workouts to teams in your projected draft area. Each one risks injury.

Spurs have taken meetings with players they had no chance of drafting before.

[bluebellmaniac]

He didn’t work out for us, because he was slotted late lottery, and we had #29. Not sure if they met with him or not. You have to limit workouts to teams in your projected draft area. Each one risks injury.

Spurs have taken meetings with players they had no chance of drafting before.

Also thought he even refused to interview with them. We couldn't even get his ph #, so when we drafted him, we couldn't call him. It was hilarious.

[Uriel]

Literally dreamt last night that the Spurs picked some random guy at #9 we had never heard of and was projected to be a late first / second round pick. Woke up with a sigh of relief when I realized it was just a dream :lol

Then I remembered that’s exactly what happened last year :cry

[Ariel]

Then I remembered that’s exactly what happened last year :cry
:lol True.

[BackHome]

He didn’t work out for us, because he was slotted late lottery, and we had #29. Not sure if they met with him or not. You have to limit workouts to teams in your projected draft area. Each one risks injury.

Spurs have taken meetings with players they had no chance of drafting before.

I thought his team was thinking he was going to get drafted way higher - I vaguely remember seeing many mocks of him being in the top 16 and was very surprised he dropped

[lmbebo]

A visit? Where'd you see that, tbh?

Thought I had seen a tweet with that info, maybe from Noah Magaro-George?

[Degoat]

I’m surprised we haven’t gotten our annual rumor report of us looking to move up in the draft yet lol seriously every year there’s some speculation of us trying

[Ignazzz]

I thought his team was thinking he was going to get drafted way higher - I vaguely remember seeing many mocks of him being in the top 16 and was very surprised he dropped
We had 19th pick too. So strange

[KingKev]

He didn’t work out for us, because he was slotted late lottery, and we had #29. Not sure if they met with him or not. You have to limit workouts to teams in your projected draft area. Each one risks injury.

Spurs have taken meetings with players they had no chance of drafting before.

We had 19 also.

[Dejounte]

Well, the Spurs have to like JWill enough to take him at #9 or else he might be gone by #11 to the Knicks (Thibs paying extra attention to him and he’s a fan favorite for their pick) or at #14 to the Cavs (fan favorite and a perfect fit for their team). Despite what fans say about how picking JWill would be a clusterfuck, I think I’ll trust the likely interest of Jerry West and long-tenured coaches over their opinion.

but who the fuck knows what they’ll do

[Dejounte]

New speculation:
I think Blake Wesley, Dalen Terry, Kendall Brown (outside of the fact that it’s already reported he worked out with us) are in play for our picks

[CGD]

I thought his team was thinking he was going to get drafted way higher - I vaguely remember seeing many mocks of him being in the top 16 and was very surprised he dropped

He definitely goes in top 10 if they redraft that class now.

Unfortunately Lonnie probably goes late 20s in his…

[Dejounte]

He definitely goes in top 10 if they redraft that class now.

Unfortunately Lonnie probably goes late 20s in his…

Yet if we actually had a top 10 pick in that class, people would be insistent on the Spurs drafting whoever was being mocked in the top 10 and would cry years later how we missed out on a talent like Keldon smh

[Ariel]

New speculation:
I think Blake Wesley, Dalen Terry, Kendall Brown (outside of the fact that it’s already reported he worked out with us) are in play for our picks
Not a fan of Kendall Brown or Beauchamp, but I wouldn't complain if they're our picks @ 25. I do love Blake Wesley, hope it turns out to be the case. He'll fit in the Lonnie role instantly, with a much higher upside.

[SAGirl]

Thought I’d share this bc it was a curious note.
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[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JakeInThePaint/status/1533145193477701633

[T Park]

They never interviewed, met, or worked out Kawhi. Same with Batum, but he got grabbed one pick before ours.

Don’t think they worked out Keldon Johnson

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1533865821675606020

already reported i think

[R. DeMurre]

I remember the story from the 2019 draft where the rookies themselves were asked who they thought would be the best player from their draft, and they voted for Cam Reddish. It's tough to scout players based one one year of college.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27421425/rookies-see-reddish-not-zion-having-best-career

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1533865821675606020

already reported i think

I could see Ty Ty dropping to 20 and the Spurs considering him. He has a decent jump shot at least. And probably slept on a little bit, and may have some of the "Kentucky factor" in his benefit.

[Mr. Body]

I remember the story from the 2019 draft where the rookies themselves were asked who they thought would be the best player from their draft, and they voted for Cam Reddish. It's tough to scout players based one one year of college.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27421425/rookies-see-reddish-not-zion-having-best-career

Man, that's hard to believe. Reddish was trash at Duke. Shot less that .400 2P, .356 overall fg%, barely rebounded as a wing, 2.7 TOs and 1.9 ASTs. He killed the Blue Devils with selfish, boneheaded play and is probably the reason they tanked with a stacked team. I can only guess people remembered him in the AAU circuit or something.

This is the highlight of his NBA experience:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-K-_ozvuQ8

[CGD]

This was from one of those aggregator cites:

“Some people around the NBA believe the Thunder may look to package their No. 12 pick and a future pick or two to acquire a second top-10 selection, says Woo. Oklahoma City also controls the second overall pick.”

[R. DeMurre]

Man, that's hard to believe. Reddish was trash at Duke. Shot less that .400 2P, .356 overall fg%, barely rebounded as a wing, 2.7 TOs and 1.9 ASTs. He killed the Blue Devils with selfish, boneheaded play and is probably the reason they tanked with a stacked team. I can only guess people remembered him in the AAU circuit or something.




I think it also shows you what (literally) immature scouting looks like. If ask typical 19 year old basketball fans who's the best player at any given point in time, they're always going to gravitate towards certain types of razzle dazzle/street cred personalities. The number of people wearing Iverson jerseys always outnumbered those wearing Duncan or Ginobili jerseys, which is a pretty solid sign that you wouldn't want them scouting for your team.

[3&D_TBH]

We have 4 picks, and I just want ONE damn thing out of those 4: a defensive minded player who is six feet 8 inches or taller, though preferably not a center. An Eason or a Sochan would please me mightily. As for the rest of the picks, those are yall's. You can have what you want from the other three picks tbh. lol

[BatManu20]

Posted this in the Mock Draft thread last week. Figured I’d re-post here.



Not enough people are talking about mid-range master and future Spurs legend TyTy Washington, who we have already worked out. Will fill the mid-range quota we’ve missed since DeMar left tbh.


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[BatManu20]

Nembhard would be such a Spursy pick. Good player at Zaga last season. He was their leader. High-character kid who loves ball.

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[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

I could see Ty Ty dropping to 20 and the Spurs considering him. He has a decent jump shot at least. And probably slept on a little bit, and may have some of the "Kentucky factor" in his benefit.

I definitely have interest in Washington since he can play off-ball. I know nothing about Kennedy Chandler and he hasn't gotten much press, but his advanced stats are almost all better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=kennedy-chandler--tyty-washington

[Mr. Body]

I definitely have interest in Washington since he can play off-ball. I know nothing about Kennedy Chandler and he hasn't gotten much press, but his advanced stats are almost all better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=kennedy-chandler--tyty-washington

Washington has a touch more than three inches on him, so that makes sense. Also people are gaga for UK guards nowadays.

[SAGirl]

I remember the story from the 2019 draft where the rookies themselves were asked who they thought would be the best player from their draft, and they voted for Cam Reddish. It's tough to scout players based one one year of college.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27421425/rookies-see-reddish-not-zion-having-best-career
The sarcastic gal in me is thinking, well they were thinking based on his weight and style of play Zion's durability will be bad... and if that was a reason... they were right. He probably will not have the best career despite great talent because there have been a lot of issues with injuries and playing shape and these are likely to continue in his future if he's not more disciplined. Despite his talent, when I watched him play he seemed out of shape. Granted that was in the bubble 2 years ago... he maybe wasn't in the best playing shape then (I remember his minutes were managed)... but one can see why someone would doubt he would have a great career (which implies durability and a good strong peak). Reddish was overrated, but the next guy in there was Ja Morant. I think they have that one right (provided he avoids catastrophic injuries). ;) They did select Zion as rookie of the year, and the next one in their vote was Morant.

[CGD]

I definitely have interest in Washington since he can play off-ball. I know nothing about Kennedy Chandler and he hasn't gotten much press, but his advanced stats are almost all better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=kennedy-chandler--tyty-washington

In theory this is what Sexton would bring if they target him in FA right?

[objective]

Pointless note about draft media and podcasters, youtubers, etc:

Coach Spins of The Box and One, who does what are probably the most shared YouTube video scouting reports, the ones with the red backgrounds like Nembhard on this page, has talked about how he had Mo Bamba ranked number 1 on his big board in 2018. Over Luka, Ayton, Trae etc etc.

If a guy who clearly watches a ton of film can screw up that badly, then who can be depended on? Posters here are probably no worse at projecting than media types

[Mr. Body]

In theory this is what Sexton would bring if they target him in FA right?

Sexton is an absolutely abyssmal defender.

[exstatic]

I remember the story from the 2019 draft where the rookies themselves were asked who they thought would be the best player from their draft, and they voted for Cam Reddish. It's tough to scout players based one one year of college.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27421425/rookies-see-reddish-not-zion-having-best-career

It’s funny, because a group of scouts had him as one of the most likely busts.

[PhantomDashCam]

After all the scenarios have played out, if we are going big I do hope the Spurs at least look at what Duren can do/be.
Hard to believe this kid is 18 tbh..

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https://youtu.be/SSCMu_hB8GI

[BackHome]

Wish they would show his mid range and 3 ball shooting.

[Degoat]

Wish they would show his mid range and 3 ball shooting.

He has a pro day on YouTube where he’s shooting 3s

[The Truth #6]

Washington has a touch more than three inches on him, so that makes sense. Also people are gaga for UK guards nowadays.

Damn, because I thought I read that Ty Ty was 6'2" something without shoes, albeit with a decent wingspan. I don't know if I want anyone much shorter than that. Regardless, another thing I like about Ty Ty is that he's basically fat; I think he strolled in at almost 13% body fat. I say that because losing weight is one of the easiest things for a player to do (unless they're already playing at a MVP level like Joker or Luka, in which case they figure why bother). Improving his basic conditioning is easier than fixing a jump shot. He has decent skills. If he actually got in shape, there's decent potential for more improvement with his already existing skills.

So yeah, he or Hardy are intriguing at 20 if we didn't already draft a guard at 9.

[The Truth #6]

Wish they would show his mid range and 3 ball shooting.

That one video showed him shooting but didn't show if it went in or not. I thought to myself, "yeah, those are probably bricking off the front of the rim, probably best they don't show anything more." Ha. He's like my fifth or sixth choice at 9, but as much crap as I give him as a player for #9, I'd still take him over someone mocked in the second round.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Saw two mocks today that had Davis going #6 overall. Mocks mean nothing, but I think he’s moving up draft boards regardless after the combine and these individual workouts.

[Mr. Body]

Saw two mocks today that had Davis going #6 overall. Mocks mean nothing, but I think he’s moving up draft boards regardless after the combine and these individual workouts.

Yeah I think Davis goes before us and possibly before Mathurin. He's too promising.

[widowmaker]

The Spurs are gonna pick somebody nobody’s heard about just like last year.

[John B]

After all the scenarios have played out, if we are going big I do hope the Spurs at least look at what Duren can do/be.
Hard to believe this kid is 18 tbh..

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https://youtu.be/SSCMu_hB8GI

I wouldn’t mind Duren. But he requires a little more shuffling of the roster. I see him going up the board, and hopefully helps land the Spurs who they really need: go-to scorer, point-of-attack defender Davis at 9th. Rebound and defense at 4, Sochan, Eason 13-15. Insurance big: Kessler, Koloko at 20-25 whichever pick is left. Project big or spot-up shooter at 38th or whoever they can stash.

[PhantomDashCam]

I wouldn’t mind Duren. But he requires a little more shuffling of the roster. I see him going up the board, and hopefully helps land the Spurs who they really need: go-to scorer, point-of-attack defender Davis at 9th. Rebound and defense at 4, Sochan, Eason 13-15. Insurance big: Kessler, Koloko at 20-25 whichever pick is left. Project big or spot-up shooter at 38th or whoever they can stash.

Ok, so here's my argument for Duren.

When you look at all the players likely available when picking at #9, even in the unlikely event of a Mathurin, Daniels being available; at the very high-end of outcomes, where do you think they stand in the hierarchy of players to position?
Do you think any of them could be the best Guard league wide by the end of their rookie contract?

With Duren, I see him as the clear-cut best C prospect in the draft (and no I don't think Chet is a C). I believe that there is a significant gap in talent based on projections and potential when compared to the consensus' next best, Mark Williams.
It's not unreasonable to think Duren could be one of the best C, perhaps Top 3, in four years time at age 22.
Rarely do you have an opportunity to draft someone of that ilk at 9.

If the league continues to get smaller and smaller at the 5, a player like Duren could absolutely feast if he can competently guard on the perimeter and consistently develops his jumper.

Edit: I've got no doubt there will be a special talent from the SG in this draft but when you look at the names, can you be sure to grab the right one? And even more still, the right one at #9 knowing what you're leaving on the board?

eg. NBA Draft Rooms Top 20 SG

https://i.ibb.co/RvGgCqJ/Screen-Shot-2022-06-07-at-1-38-46-pm.png


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[John B]

Ok, so here's my argument for Duren.

When you look at all the players likely available when are picking at #9, even in the unlikely event of a Mathurin, Daniels being available; at the very high-end of outcomes, where do you think they stand in the hierarchy of players to position?
Do you think any of them could be the best Guard league wide by the end of their rookie contract?

With Duren, I see him as the clear-cut best C prospect in the draft (and no I don't think Chet is a C). I believe that there is a significant gap in talent based on projections and potential when compared to the consensus' next best, Mark Williams.
It's not unreasonable to think Duren could be one of the best C, perhaps Top 3, in four years time at age 22.
Rarely do you have an opportunity to draft someone of that ilk at 9.

If the league continues to get smaller and smaller at the 5, a player like Duren could absolutely feast if he can competently guard on the perimeter and consistently develops his jumper.

I’ll buy it. Duren checks-off the need for a go-to scorer. How do you fix the other immediate needs? Including point of attack defender which athletic guards nightly torched the Spurs.

To me Spurs immediate needs:
1. Go-to scorer: Davis, Mathurin, Sharpe
2. Rebound and defense at PF: Sochan, Eason
3. Point of attack defender: Davis
4. On man defense at C: Duren, Williams, Koloko, Kessler

To me Davis checks off 1 and 3, plus he becomes a secondary facilitator. Davis just gives so much value for me at 9. If I could pair him with Eason, Spurs just took care of 1, 2 and 3. And they have the luxury with either 20 or 25, whichever left after chasing Eason, to get a defensive big, #4 problem check. There’s easier path to address the immediate needs, compare to drafting Duren. Unless Duren is a top 3 talent, but he’s not imo.

[PhantomDashCam]

I’ll buy it. Duren checks-off the need for a go-to scorer. How do you fix the other immediate needs? Including point of attack defender which athletic guards nightly torched the Spurs.

To me Spurs immediate needs:
1. Go-to scorer: Davis, Mathurin, Sharpe
2. Rebound and defense at PF: Sochan, Eason
3. Point of attack defender: Davis
4. On man defense at C: Duren, Williams, Koloko, Kessler

To me Davis checks off 1 and 3, plus he becomes a secondary facilitator. Davis just gives so much value for me at 9. If I could pair him with Eason, Spurs just took care of 1, 2 and 3. And they have the luxury with either 20 or 25, whichever left after chasing Eason, to get a defensive big, #4 problem check. There’s easier path to address the immediate needs, compare to drafting Duren. Unless Duren is a top 3 talent, but he’s not imo.

BTW I'm not 100% on board the Duren bandwagon. Just thought it was an interesting point to make.
I was amending my post when you must have responded so I did put some extra info. in there.

I like your list of immediate needs and actually think Duren's biggest weakness might be as a Go-To Scorer atm.

My main point was there is a glut of shooting guards in this draft, we just drafted one last year, do you think there is huge difference between Johnny Davis and Jaden Hardy for example? Enough you could be certain in four years that you're grabbing the right one at #9?

I'm just hoping the Spurs are having that discussion at the very least.

[Dejounte]

https://i.ibb.co/rmYKygr/0-EDF54-F8-5-E86-4-CAF-87-CE-3155-FB13-E18-B.png

[Dejounte]

Either this is his second workout with the Spurs or the first one was a fluke timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)

Let’s go. JDub with the 9th. I badly want to see this happen (i know it probably wont) so mofos can cry about it being a reach like they do with Primo’s dick in their mouth in every one of their posts

[Dejounte]

JDub

97th percentile when shooting off the catch when open
100th percentile when shooting off the catch when guarded

1.769 points per possession when shooting off the catch when guarded
Jdub makes over 50% of his shots when guarded

[JPB]

I like Duren energy and fire. Looks confident, tough and very determined. Kind of guy that will bring it on the court every night. Def doesn't look 18.

[PhantomDashCam]

Dyson on the docket sometime in the not too distant future…

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[rascal]

Johnny Davis will go to the Knicks at 11.

[Uriel]

If the Spurs don’t draft Williams at #9, I think it’s very likely they will take him at #20 if he’s there. I wouldn’t be surprised if our draft haul ends up being Johnny Davis and Jalen Williams.

I would be disappointed, though.

[BatManu20]

Johnny Davis will go to the Knicks at 11.

Possible, and it’d be a good fit, but don’t see him lasting that long. He’s moving up draft boards right now.

[BatManu20]

Is this anonymous executive Mr. Body (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=397) by chance :lol

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[lmbebo]

If the Spurs don’t draft Williams at #9, I think it’s very likely they will take him at #20 if he’s there. I wouldn’t be surprised if our draft haul ends up being Johnny Davis and Jalen Williams.

I would be disappointed, though.


Sounds like Williams won't make it to 20.

[John B]

I wouldn’t mind Daniels at 9, now 6’8” who likes to facilitate and a lockdown defender and still just 19.

[Cardinal]

Daniels absolutely my top choice at 9 at this point

[John B]

I like to root for Jalen Williams, such a freakish 7’3” wingspan and 39” vertical. He’d be a great help defender, but could be a tad slow against shiftier guards. And that’s where athletic guards torch Spurs.

[Mnky]

Daniels seems top Intriguing to pass up on. I always favor players who SHOW development every year. Daniel's pace of development is on star level.

I've thought Davis has the prototypical game since before he was getting much love in the lottery. Guy is just an old fashioned bucket.

Williams is definitely intriguing. How high though? Seems like young talent will push a bunch of solid older talent down the board. Can definitely come away with some steals this draft. Great draft to have multiple picks. It's crazy deep on actual star prospects. The odds hopefully favor the spurs with one of them.

[objective]

The more I watch Jovic the more I don't want him at any pick. I don't see what's so good about his game.

Give me Procida, that guy can play some.

[Mr. Body]

The more I watch Jovic the more I don't want him at any pick. I don't see what's so good about his game.

Give me Procida, that guy can play some.

I've been out on Jovic for a while. He's good offensively but may be completely unplayable due to his defensive woes.

[John B]

I've been out on Jovic for a while. He's good offensively but may be completely unplayable due to his defensive woes.

Jovic is who Spurs can stash for a couple of years. I can’t see the Spurs playing 4 rookies. Again Jovic has guard skills at 6’11”, high Bball IQ. High rewards, low risk if he pans out. But Procida is another candidate.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, I don't see anything great about Jovic, in my opinion. I suppose at 38 he would make sense. But I still like David Roddy at 38 if not Alondes Williams more.

[Mr. Body]

Jovic is who Spurs can stash for a couple of years. I can’t see the Spurs playing 4 rookies. Again Jovic has guard skills at 6’11”, high Bball IQ. High rewards, low risk if he pans out. But Procida is another candidate.

Word is that Jovic wants to come over this year. Though they could draft him and force him to stay.

[TD 21]

The more I watch Jovic the more I don't want him at any pick. I don't see what's so good about his game.


Give me Procida, that guy can play some.

Not to stereotype, but too many Samanic similarities to go down that road again. Guard like ball skills at 6'10'-6'11'' sounds nice, but as a likely defensively liability who will be in a stretch four as opposed to point forward role, if it's not complimented by plus shooting it's mostly meaningless.



It's not unreasonable to think Duren could be one of the best C, perhaps Top 3, in four years time at age 22.

Yeah, it is. His comp is probably R. Williams, who as good as he is, is inarguably behind: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Towns, Gobert, Adebayo. You could debate whether he's in the next group with Ayton, Sabonis, Allen, but consensus would have them ahead too. Either way, that's probably about the peak for that type of C in today's game.

I'd be fine with either Duren or M. Williams, so long as it's in a Poeltl to Hornets trade where they get back 13 or 15.

[John B]

Yeah, it is. His comp is probably R. Williams, who as good as he is, is inarguably behind: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Towns, Gobert, Adebayo. You could debate whether he's in the next group with Ayton, Sabonis, Allen, but consensus would have them ahead too. Either way, that's probably about the peak for that type of C in today's game.

I'd be fine with either Duren or M. Williams, so long as it's in a Poeltl to Hornets trade where they get back 13 or 15.

I rather Spurs get Eason for that 13-15 pick than Duren or Williams. Eason is that ultra defensive PF Spurs need against Giannis, Tatum, Mobley and other new blood of mobile bigs.

[exstatic]

Yeah, it is. His comp is probably R. Williams, who as good as he is, is inarguably behind: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Towns, Gobert, Adebayo. You could debate whether he's in the next group with Ayton, Sabonis, Allen, but consensus would have them ahead too. Either way, that's probably about the peak for that type of C in today's game.

I'd be fine with either Duren or M. Williams, so long as it's in a Poeltl to Hornets trade where they get back 13 or 15.

I think a comp is sort of a turbo charged Robert Williams. He's bigger, heavier, longer, just as bouncy, and two years younger than Williams was.

[exstatic]

I rather Spurs get Eason for that 13-15 pick than Duren or Williams. Eason is that ultra defensive PF Spurs need against Giannis, Tatum, Mobley and other new blood of mobile bigs.

If I'm reading it correctly, he's talking about Duren at 9, flip Poeltl to CHA for 13 or 15, and make whatever selection there.

[Mr. Body]

Duren vs. Robert Williams (as mentioned, Duren is two years younger at the same point)

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jalen-duren--robert-williams

[John B]

If I'm reading it correctly, he's talking about Duren at 9, flip Poeltl to CHA for 13 or 15, and make whatever selection there.

Then I rather Spurs get Johnny Davis at 9, who checks off go-to scorer and point-of-attack defender, both Spurs immediate needs

I feel a defensive big can be had at 25 with Koloko, Kessler, Robinson, Diop.

[CGD]

If I'm reading it correctly, he's talking about Duren at 9, flip Poeltl to CHA for 13 or 15, and make whatever selection there.

I like the strategy of making CHA sweat about not getting a C in this draft. Whether Jak for 13, or flipping Duren (9) for 13 & 15 it feels like there is something to be had with dealing with CHA.

With 13 & 15 I'd like some combo of Williams, Eason, or Griffin. Then take TyTy at 20.

[TD 21]

I rather Spurs get Eason for that 13-15 pick than Duren or Williams. Eason is that ultra defensive PF Spurs need against Giannis, Tatum, Mobley and other new blood of mobile bigs.

Tatum isn't a big, but Eason is definitely the type to serve as a primary defender on him and his ilk. Antetokounmpo is far too strong though.

I wouldn't be opposed to him at 13 or 15, but as I've said from early on he doesn't strike me as a Spur.



I think a comp is sort of a turbo charged Robert Williams. He's bigger, heavier, longer, just as bouncy, and two years younger than Williams was.

If I'm reading it correctly, he's talking about Duren at 9, flip Poeltl to CHA for 13 or 15, and make whatever selection there.

Obviously Duren could still grow, but I think they're both 6'10''ish in shoes and Williams is 255 now.

Nah, I mean pick whatever guard/wing they're likely to at 9, then (I don't love it, but just for example) Poeltl and 25 for Washington Jr. and 13 or 15 and pick one of the centers.

[tonight...you]

I rather Spurs get Eason for that 13-15 pick than Duren or Williams. Eason is that ultra defensive PF Spurs need against Giannis, Tatum, Mobley and other new blood of mobile bigs.
Eason has a ton to clean up otherwise he's going to foul out by the 3rd quarter guarding those players as of this moment.

[PhantomDashCam]

Yeah, it is. His comp is probably R. Williams, who as good as he is, is inarguably behind: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Towns, Gobert, Adebayo. You could debate whether he's in the next group with Ayton, Sabonis, Allen, but consensus would have them ahead too. Either way, that's probably about the peak for that type of C in today's game.

I'd be fine with either Duren or M. Williams, so long as it's in a Poeltl to Hornets trade where they get back 13 or 15.

FWIW - Did most of this after just turning 18.
I think he's much further along than Robert Williams was at that age. I'd be thrilled if the outcome is somewhere even in the middle of those two at #9...

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[rascal]

I like the strategy of making CHA sweat about not getting a C in this draft. Whether Jak for 13, or flipping Duren (9) for 13 & 15 it feels like there is something to be had with dealing with CHA.

With 13 & 15 I'd like some combo of Williams, Eason, or Griffin. Then take TyTy at 20.

I think getting 13 or/and 15 in a package deal involving Poeltl + one of the later picks is a smart move while keeping 9. Eason should be a target in that range.

[exstatic]

Then I rather Spurs get Johnny Davis at 9, who checks off go-to scorer and point-of-attack defender, both Spurs immediate needs

I feel a defensive big can be had at 25 with Koloko, Kessler, Robinson, Diop.

You do you. Some of us don’t want to settle for the 3rd,4th,5th, or 6th best center. After all of the complaints about Poeltl’s limitations, I thought there might be some support for an upgrade. None of those guys are it, and I flat hate Kessler.

[Thomas82]

If I'm reading it correctly, he's talking about Duren at 9, flip Poeltl to CHA for 13 or 15, and make whatever selection there.

I would be ecstatic with that.

[John B]

You do you. Some of us don’t want to settle for the 3rd,4th,5th, or 6th best center. After all of the complaints about Poeltl’s limitations, I thought there might be some support for an upgrade. None of those guys are it, and I flat hate Kessler.

Nah, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if they went for Duren at 9 :lol. But Spurs would still leave a hole in point-of-attack where athletic guards torch them. And Johnny Davis is probably the best 2way besides Chet in this draft. Daniels is intriguing at 6’8” and could still be growing at 19. Plus Davis is another facilitator out there. He’s not just a c&s, but sucks double and triple team when he penetrates. Spurs don’t have that player.

The question is what does PATFO prioritize on this draft.

[tonight...you]

Nah, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if they went for Duren at 9 :lol. But Spurs would still leave a hole in point-of-attack where athletic guards torch them. And Johnny Davis is probably the best 2way besides Chet in this draft. Daniels is intriguing at 6’8” and could still be growing at 19. Plus Davis is another facilitator out there. He’s not just a c&s, but sucks double and triple team when he penetrates. Spurs don’t have that player.

The question is what does PATFO prioritize on this draft.
I guess you could say that Duren helps that lack of "point-of-attack" guards by protecting the rim.

[PhantomDashCam]

Nah, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if they went for Duren at 9 :lol. But Spurs would still leave a hole in point-of-attack where athletic guards torch them. And Johnny Davis is probably the best 2way besides Chet in this draft. Daniels is intriguing at 6’8” and could still be growing at 19. Plus Davis is another facilitator out there. He’s not just a c&s, but sucks double and triple team when he penetrates. Spurs don’t have that player.

The question is what does PATFO prioritize on this draft.

Lloyd Price knows the answer…


https://youtu.be/Mczw7k4t-Ms

[scott]

The more I watch Jovic the more I don't want him at any pick. I don't see what's so good about his game.

Give me Procida, that guy can play some.

I forget who, but someone else on this board told us they are in on Jovic at 9. Wild how opinions vary. (for the record, I'm out on him too)

[C-Dub]

Anyone that likes Daniels should take a look at this past season highlights of the G-league Ignite vs Austin Spurs game on YouTube. Primo clearly outplayed Daniels and clearly looked liked the better player by far. If you think Daniels is that good then that means Primo is a future Allstar comparatively. Research and watch the highlights of that game from this past season and let me know your thoughts.

[Uriel]

I’m starting to warm up to the idea of Jalen Duren. If he truly has franchise player potential, wouldn’t it make sense to draft him? Instead of getting hung up on likely career role players like Dyson Daniels and Jeremy Sochan?

[BackHome]

I have no idea who we going to pick at 9 and would be happy with a couple of guys though any pick is going to have + and - and will be picked apart on the board should have some lively debates..lol

As far as 20 and 25 I am Off the Jovic team it's his defense he is terrible fighting through screens and a player like Curry would eat him up for lunch. My cat is probably Wesley/TyTy /Hardy at 20 and Procida at 25 I really starting to like the potential of Procida as he has the height the speed the athleticism to go with a great 3 ball shoot

[Degoat]

Which ever direction the spurs go I’ll be happy, it’s always a plus to be adding new talent to the team. I just hope we aren’t reaching for another guy in the lottery lol anyone of the guys we’ve all been mentioning would be great just don’t reach for another project that could be had later in the draft

[rascal]

Which ever direction the spurs go I’ll be happy, it’s always a plus to be adding new talent to the team. I just hope we aren’t reaching for another guy in the lottery lol anyone of the guys we’ve all been mentioning would be great just don’t reach for another project that could be had later in the draft

How about Sochan at 9.

Trade away 20 for a lottery protected future FRP and a foreign player kept over seas at 25, a player kept in Austin at 38.

This is a real probability for the Spurs draft this year.

[John B]

If Charlotte would not deal their 13 or 15 pick:
Duren 9
Jalen Williams 20
Butler 25
Procida 38

[rascal]

I’m starting to warm up to the idea of Jalen Duren. If he truly has franchise player potential, wouldn’t it make sense to draft him? Instead of getting hung up on likely career role players like Dyson Daniels and Jeremy Sochan?

Duren would be good at 9, it also may force Charlotte to move one of their picks for Poeltl. Then the Spurs can draft Eason with that pick.