Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[T Park]

Hoping Sharpe pushes Keegan MurrAy down if possible.

[rascal]

This is why you should have been rooting for losses down the stretch.

The Spurs are going to miss Sharpe by a couple of picks. Anyone they get at 9 won't have the upside that Sharpe will have.
Sharpe has superstar upside and could end up the best player from this draft.

[rascal]

This is what I based my post above:
https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/kentucky-wildcats-basketball-shaedon-sharpe-enrolling-early-2022-nba-draft-174983303/

But just now the same journalist (Jonathan Givony from ESPN) recanted his former statement:
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1517142571700482055

Something smells fishy... but in any case, it seems he will be entering the 2022 draft after all.

Probably some Kentucky fan who wanted him back with Kentucky.

[Ariel]

Probably some Kentucky fan who wanted him back with Kentucky.
I just cited the source... Jonathan Givony from ESPN...
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress

NBA Draft analyst at @ESPN (https://twitter.com/ESPN). Founder and co-owner of http://DraftExpress.com (https://t.co/SY2jriFKj5), a private scouting and analytics service utilized by NBA, NCAA and International teams.

[Mr. Body]

LOL @ this dude's high school cooking the books to make sure he can get drafted.

I don't think Calipari wants him back. His modus operandi is to clear out all his blue chips every year so the next batch gets all of the court time. Part of the sell is getting them drafted and clearing the way for the next class.

I'm impressed by people jacking off over this dude. Quotes from Calipari about him not being ready to play -- meaning not prepared, not being in shape -- just a few months ago don't sound great. Alright, he's a kid, sure, but he didn't sound ready to compete at a college level.

Dude smacks of James Wiseman to me. He sucked in college and hid himself away. Smartest thing in the world to do, made executives and mock draft enthusiasts get starry eyed and fill him up with dreams, when he doesn't know how to play basketball at the NCAA level.

The fact that Sharpe found a way to hide himself doesn't bode well for me. I don't care if you can dunk on high school kids who are six feet tall. This ain't that kind of basketball.

Sure, he may be great. Team workouts will decide. Big alarm bells if he skips the combine and so on. Very big alarm bells. Me, I pick players who clearly can play. This isn't Ella Enchanted.

[The Truth #6]

This is what I based my post above:
https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/kentucky-wildcats-basketball-shaedon-sharpe-enrolling-early-2022-nba-draft-174983303/

But just now the same journalist (Jonathan Givony from ESPN) recanted his former statement:
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1517142571700482055

Something smells fishy... but in any case, it seems he will be entering the 2022 draft after all.

Definitely fish, but expected with so much money involved. Will they wait to rename the high school Shaedon Sharpe High until after he signs his contract? LOL. Wouldn't be shocked if some sort of deals were made.

[rascal]

LOL @ this dude's high school cooking the books to make sure he can get drafted.

I don't think Calipari wants him back. His modus operandi is to clear out all his blue chips every year so the next batch gets all of the court time. Part of the sell is getting them drafted and clearing the way for the next class.

I'm impressed by people jacking off over this dude. Quotes from Calipari about him not being ready to play -- meaning not prepared, not being in shape -- just a few months ago don't sound great. Alright, he's a kid, sure, but he didn't sound ready to compete at a college level.

Dude smacks of James Wiseman to me. He sucked in college and hid himself away. Smartest thing in the world to do, made executives and mock draft enthusiasts get starry eyed and fill him up with dreams, when he doesn't know how to play basketball at the NCAA level.

The fact that Sharpe found a way to hide himself doesn't bode well for me. I don't care if you can dunk on high school kids who are six feet tall. This ain't that kind of basketball.

Sure, he may be great. Team workouts will decide. Big alarm bells if he skips the combine and so on. Very big alarm bells. Me, I pick players who clearly can play. This isn't Ella Enchanted.

I'd take him at number 1. I'm going for the most talented upside superstar potential in this draft. You are too conservative.

[Mr. Body]

I'd take him at number 1. I'm going for the most talented upside superstar potential in this draft. You are too conservative.

You are completely idiotic.

[rascal]

No way. I would not pass this guy up at any point in the draft.

A player like Holmgren is far more riskier to me and he's going top 3, maybe even 1st overall.

Hoping the Spurs land at 4 and take him there.

[Seventyniner]

In any case, this is good news for the Spurs (assuming they don't jump to the top 4, in which case it's neutral) because it pushes the rest of the board down, from where Sharpe gets picked (presumably before #9).

[The Truth #6]

There's a middle ground here. Interview would be crucial to see if he seems motivated and hard working. It's unclear what Calipari's comments mean or don't mean, at least to me. He's like a used car salesman (though with a great eye for talent). The fact that Kentucky recruited him is a positive in my opinion. But it's going to be a risk drafting him. At #9, less of a risk considering we need a high upside player. I'd probably still take Ben Mathurin over him because we have more to go by. We'll see. Regardless, it's a good thing that he's in the draft now. There's no downside to this. The issue becomes who is available when we are on the clock.

[rascal]

LOL @ this dude's high school cooking the books to make sure he can get drafted.

I don't think Calipari wants him back. His modus operandi is to clear out all his blue chips every year so the next batch gets all of the court time. Part of the sell is getting them drafted and clearing the way for the next class.

I'm impressed by people jacking off over this dude. Quotes from Calipari about him not being ready to play -- meaning not prepared, not being in shape -- just a few months ago don't sound great. Alright, he's a kid, sure, but he didn't sound ready to compete at a college level.

Dude smacks of James Wiseman to me. He sucked in college and hid himself away. Smartest thing in the world to do, made executives and mock draft enthusiasts get starry eyed and fill him up with dreams, when he doesn't know how to play basketball at the NCAA level.

The fact that Sharpe found a way to hide himself doesn't bode well for me. I don't care if you can dunk on high school kids who are six feet tall. This ain't that kind of basketball.

Sure, he may be great. Team workouts will decide. Big alarm bells if he skips the combine and so on. Very big alarm bells. Me, I pick players who clearly can play. This isn't Ella Enchanted.

Calipari said he'd go number 1 next year if he went back to Kentucky.

[ZeusWillJudge]

This is why you should have been rooting for losses down the stretch.


But...but...there's really no difference between drafting 6th or 9th. :lol


I'm not on the same page with you over Sharpe, but the idea still holds.

[R. DeMurre]

LOL @ this dude's high school cooking the books to make sure he can get drafted.


Didn't Primo do something similar, combining 11th & 12th grades (reclassifying) so he could go to Alabama a year early?

[Ariel]

I'd take him at number 1. I'm going for the most talented upside superstar potential in this draft. You are too conservative.You are completely idiotic.
Actually Sharpe might be worthy of a no. 1 pick as much as Primo of a no. 12 pick: neither impossible down the road, but there's absolutely no evidence as of yet to justify either one.

[TD 21]

Hoping Sharpe pushes Keegan MurrAy down if possible.

I suspect Sharpe and Mathurin are the only two with a shot to push Murray down. Obviously both would be ideal, but even one would be nice. Every little bit helps.

Highly unlikely, but if the gap ends up being 2 (him available at 7, Spurs picking at 9), suddenly offering the Spurs 1st and Raptors 1st wouldn't be so far fetched.

[BatManu20]

CBSsports latest mock has us taking AJ Griffin at #9. They have Sochan going #8 to NOLA, which would actually be a great pick for them tbh. I could actually see this scenario happening :lol



https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-kentuckys-shaedon-sharpe-expected-to-leave-school-projects-to-go-no-4-to-thunder/amp/

[BacktoBasics]

CBSsports latest mock has us taking AJ Griffin at #9. They have Sochan going #8 to NOLA, which would actually be a great pick for them tbh. I could actually see this scenario happening :lol



https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-kentuckys-shaedon-sharpe-expected-to-leave-school-projects-to-go-no-4-to-thunder/amp/

Sharpe ahead of Ivey seems ridiculous.

[duncan2150]

I suspect Sharpe and Mathurin are the only two with a shot to push Murray down. Obviously both would be ideal, but even one would be nice. Every little bit helps.

Highly unlikely, but if the gap ends up being 2 (him available at 7, Spurs picking at 9), suddenly offering the Spurs 1st and Raptors 1st wouldn't be so far fetched.


Griffin too imo, and i will add to the list Duren.

I really think people here and in a lot of mocks are overvalued Murray future spot in this draft. I really like him but at 5/6 i think it's too high. We'll see who is right on draft day lol

[duncan2150]

Sharpe ahead of Ivey seems ridiculous.


I can see a team like OKC going all in for Sharpe at 4 or 5

[mystargtr34]

That is awesome news. That’s almost like the Spurs gaining a draft spot in the lottery.

[BatManu20]

Sharpe ahead of Ivey seems ridiculous.

In theory only. Combine and private workouts will determine a lot. If Sharpe shows what he’s capable of, I could definitely see him getting drafted ahead of Ivey. Not saying I think it happens, but I can see it.

[BatManu20]

Fansided has us taking Ousmane Dieng at #9. Doubt this happens. Would be a reach imo. Just sharing.



https://8points9seconds.com/2022/04/19/nba-draft-first-round-mock-picks-1-31/amp/

[KingKev]

Fansided has us taking Ousmane Dieng at #9. Doubt this happens. Would be a reach imo. Just sharing.



https://8points9seconds.com/2022/04/19/nba-draft-first-round-mock-picks-1-31/amp/

Reaching is what we do lately.

[Degoat]

I wouldn’t mind Ousmane Dieng but man #9 is so rich for him but I do think he’ll continue rising up boards

[Ariel]

Reaching is what we do lately.
It feels as if the FO sees some bargain at $100 that they so badly don't want to miss on, that they offer $1 million for it.

[Ariel]

Sharpe is such a wild card that there's no telling where he'll end up. We don't know who is picking were, and all it takes is one workout and one GM and he could end up at 1. If Darko was selected no. 2, anything is possible. Personally, without any evidence he'd have to show me nothing short of turning water into wine on workouts to warrant being picked ahead of Ivey and Banchero. But you never know.

[BatManu20]

I wouldn’t mind Ousmane Dieng but man #9 is so rich for him but I do think he’ll continue rising up boards

Same. He’s an intriguing prospect but #9 is too high. A little nervous the Spurs might not give a fuck though based in last year.

[PhantomDashCam]

Another mock but what else have we got to talk about…


https://youtu.be/YhHtZdQvBFc

#9 Tari Eason
#20 Ismael Kamagate
#25 Blake Wesley
#38 Trevion Williams

I don’t mind it tbh.

Tari probably contributes on the big boy club in his rookie season, Ismael is likely stashed for at least a year, (Apparently he recently performed well against Wembanyama), and Blake could be the best 2-Guard from the draft, (if a lot of things go his way) by the end of his rookie contract.

Trevion is harder for me to figure out but know he has his fans here and his basketball intellect would undoubtedly appeal to those in the Spurs FO.

[BackHome]

All I know is this draft is going to be crazy the picks are going to be all over the place just hope we pick the right guys

[BatManu20]

Another mock but what else have we got to talk about…


https://youtu.be/YhHtZdQvBFc

#9 Tari Eason
#20 Ismael Kamagate
#25 Blake Wesley
#38 Trevion Williams

I don’t mind it tbh.

Tari probably contributes on the big boy club in his rookie season, Ismael is likely stashed for at least a year, (Apparently he recently performed well against Wembanyama), and Blake could be the best 2-Guard from the draft, (if a lot of things go his way) by the end of his rookie contract.

Trevion is harder for me to figure out but know he has his fans here and his basketball intellect would undoubtedly appeal to those in the Spurs FO.


I’d be pretty disappointed with Kamagate at 20. If we’re gonna take a defensive rim-runner, I’d rather have Walker Kessler at #25 (if he’s available). He led the nation in blocks at almost 5/per and he’s show some ability to stretch the floor and shoot the 3 and the long 2, unlike Kamagate, who’s almost strictly a lob & put-back guy. There will be better prospects at 20 than Kamagate.

I like the other 3 picks though. I’d still take Sochan over Tari if both are available, but I’d gladly take Eason, Wesley, & Williams as the other 3 picks.

[SAGirl]

Fansided has us taking Ousmane Dieng at #9. Doubt this happens. Would be a reach imo. Just sharing.



https://8points9seconds.com/2022/04/19/nba-draft-first-round-mock-picks-1-31/amp/

Spurs are known for reaching… they tend to take solid players at the back of the first round but reach in the late lottery and the teens. Not saying this happens either. These things are all speculative anyways.

[Seventyniner]

Spurs are known for reaching… they tend to take solid players at the back of the first round but reach in the late lottery and the teens. Not saying this happens either. These things are all speculative anyways.

When is the last time the Spurs took the (mostly) consensus best player available with their pick? DeJuan Blair?

I feel like I'm forgetting someone though.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The fact that Murray will be 22 by the time the season starts makes me think that he will drop and could be there at 9.

[BackHome]

Crazy things happen during the draft but most mocks have him climbing and now is in the 5 to 7 range

[Mr. Body]

Another mock but what else have we got to talk about…


https://youtu.be/YhHtZdQvBFc

#9 Tari Eason
#20 Ismael Kamagate
#25 Blake Wesley
#38 Trevion Williams

I don’t mind it tbh.

Tari probably contributes on the big boy club in his rookie season, Ismael is likely stashed for at least a year, (Apparently he recently performed well against Wembanyama), and Blake could be the best 2-Guard from the draft, (if a lot of things go his way) by the end of his rookie contract.

Trevion is harder for me to figure out but know he has his fans here and his basketball intellect would undoubtedly appeal to those in the Spurs FO.

This draft would be a win to me. You'd have Eason and Wesley next year. One is a bit of a project but can replace Walker. The other, depending on his mentality, could be a menace on both sides of the ball. Very productive player.

[BatManu20]

Spurs are known for reaching… they tend to take solid players at the back of the first round but reach in the late lottery and the teens. Not saying this happens either. These things are all speculative anyways.

Yea I agree but Dieng at #9 is just too high for me, especially for a guy who has shown so far that he’s a poor defender. Wouldn’t be happy with the pick tbh, unless he shows another level during workouts or something. Hopefully the Spurs don’t get too cute here.

[Ariel]

#9 Tari Eason
#20 Ismael Kamagate
#25 Blake Wesley
#38 Trevion Williams
Kamagate at 20 would seem like a reach, but Blake Wesley at 25 may be a bit too low, so it evens out. Eason fits a need, and they stash Kamagate for a while. Seems like a nice, well rounded draft.

[XDT76]

Tari seems a good prospect but often overlook on ST, what is his major weakness that people are not keen on him.

[Degoat]

Tari seems a good prospect but often overlook on ST, what is his major weakness that people are not keen on him.

Im not opposed to the spurs drafting him, I think he’ll be solid. I just think he has a lower ceiling then other guys at 9. I think I’d rather wait until the 20th pick and grab Nikola Jovic, Ej Liddell, or Patrick Baldwin jr

[PhantomDashCam]

Tari seems a good prospect but often overlook on ST, what is his major weakness that people are not keen on him.

Speaking personally, based on game film and some scouting reports, here’s a few observations.

- He played quite a few minutes at C for UCLA. Can he be more 4/3, than 5/4?
- He has a terrific motor but can be undisciplined in gameplan attentiveness, leading to excessive foul trouble and tunnel vision type plays
- His outside shot is still a work in progress and I think the release is a little slow and flat

I still like Dyson Daniels and Sochan more as prospects due being younger, more versatile offensively and having a greater feel for the game…

[PrimeMinister]

When is the last time the Spurs took the (mostly) consensus best player available with their pick? DeJuan Blair?

I feel like I'm forgetting someone though.

Devin Vassell

[XDT76]

Speaking personally, based of some game film and some scouting reports, here’s a few observations.

- He played quite a few minutes at C for UCLA. Can he be more 4/3, than 5/4?
- He has a terrific motor but can be undisciplined in gameplan attentiveness, leading to excessive foul trouble and tunnel vision type plays
- His outside shot is still a work in progress and I think the release is a little slow and flat

I still like Dyson Daniels and Sochan more as prospects due being younger, more versatile offensively and having a greater feel for the game…

Thanks for the info, seeing highlights only probably is unable to recognise some of the weakness you pointed out. Based on highlights he seems more useful vs some prospects who only jams and block player much shorter and less athletic.

[Ariel]

Devin Vassell
Consensus BPA was Haliburton. And rightly so.

[CGD]

Speaking personally, based on game film and some scouting reports, here’s a few observations.

- He played quite a few minutes at C for UCLA. Can he be more 4/3, than 5/4?
- He has a terrific motor but can be undisciplined in gameplan attentiveness, leading to excessive foul trouble and tunnel vision type plays
- His outside shot is still a work in progress and I think the release is a little slow and flat

I still like Dyson Daniels and Sochan more as prospects due being younger, more versatile offensively and having a greater feel for the game…

Makes him sound like Kenneth Farid

[FutureMan]

Devin Vassell


no no no… Haliburton was suppose to be drafted like 6-8 and fell in our lap and we passed on him. I remember when that happened and I was furious for days :lol

Granted Vassell isn’t terrible but he’ll never reach the potential of Haliburton on a Spurs roster. He would’ve easily have been our best player right now.

[BatManu20]

Devin Vassell

Nope. Halliburton was the consensus highest rated prospect still on the board.

[PhantomDashCam]

Thanks for the info, seeing highlights only probably is unable to recognise some of the weakness you pointed out. Based on highlights he seems more useful vs some prospects who only jams and block player much shorter and less athletic.

This back-to-back play against Alabama is Russell Westbrook type level of processing/decision making. Almost same aloof look too.... 5:40 - 6:14 mark


https://youtu.be/YTDNzNUwr60

[Degoat]

When is the last time the Spurs took the (mostly) consensus best player available with their pick? DeJuan Blair?

I feel like I'm forgetting someone though.

Think Lonnie Walker was the highest consensus player on the board when the spurs took him

[rascal]

There's a lot of good players in this draft, more than last year.

[Seventyniner]

Think Lonnie Walker was the highest consensus player on the board when the spurs took him

That makes sense, thanks.

I was pretty sure it wasn't Vassell because of Halliburton.

[Seventyniner]

There's a lot of good players in this draft, more than last year.

In other words, it's a good draft to have 3 firsts in.

[BackHome]

If we luck out in either ping pong ball or doing a trade I think we could come away with a starting PF , a solid SG, and a starting Center in about one or two years.

[duncan2150]

Another mock but what else have we got to talk about…


https://youtu.be/YhHtZdQvBFc

#9 Tari Eason
#20 Ismael Kamagate
#25 Blake Wesley
#38 Trevion Williams

I don’t mind it tbh.

Tari probably contributes on the big boy club in his rookie season, Ismael is likely stashed for at least a year, (Apparently he recently performed well against Wembanyama), and Blake could be the best 2-Guard from the draft, (if a lot of things go his way) by the end of his rookie contract.

Trevion is harder for me to figure out but know he has his fans here and his basketball intellect would undoubtedly appeal to those in the Spurs FO.

I like this draft in term of positions.

A SF/PF, an inside guy and a guard.

Imo Eason is a 3/4, on D he could play 3-4-5 but on offense i don't see him as an inside guy actually, he is not a post up player but more a slasher and a force in the paint while driving.


I’d be pretty disappointed with Kamagate at 20. If we’re gonna take a defensive rim-runner, I’d rather have Walker Kessler at #25 (if he’s available). He led the nation in blocks at almost 5/per and he’s show some ability to stretch the floor and shoot the 3 and the long 2, unlike Kamagate, who’s almost strictly a lob & put-back guy. There will be better prospects at 20 than Kamagate.

I like the other 3 picks though. I’d still take Sochan over Tari if both are available, but I’d gladly take Eason, Wesley, & Williams as the other 3 picks.

I can tell you something about Kamagate, he's a really good kid, humble.... and the coaching staff in Paris works hard on their young core weaknesses particulary with Kamagate. He'll surprise people in the NBA imo. I also have Kessler a little bit higher and imo if the spurs will take a C, it will be with their last pick.

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1517507153535418370

By the way, Kamagate just declared. You'll see that he's not just a lob and put back guy.

[Mr. Body]

I like this draft in term of positions.

A SF/PF, an inside guy and a guard.

Imo Eason is a 3/4, on D he could play 3-4-5 but on offense i don't see him as an inside guy actually, he is not a post up player but more a slasher and a force in the paint while driving.



I can tell you something about Kamagate, he's a really good kid, humble.... and the coaching staff in Paris works hard on their young core weaknesses particulary with Kamagate. He'll surprise people in the NBA imo. I also have Kessler a little bit higher and imo if the spurs will take a C, it will be with their last pick.

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1517507153535418370

By the way, Kamagate just declared. You'll see that he's not just a lob and put back guy.

Good stuff. Something like an Eason-Kamagate-Wesley draft would be nailing it for me.

[FutureMan]

That makes sense, thanks.

I was pretty sure it wasn't Vassell because of Halliburton.

I’d say Johnson too. He was suppose to go in the late teens/early 20’s but fell to 29

[JPB]

I like this draft in term of positions.

A SF/PF, an inside guy and a guard.

Imo Eason is a 3/4, on D he could play 3-4-5 but on offense i don't see him as an inside guy actually, he is not a post up player but more a slasher and a force in the paint while driving.



I can tell you something about Kamagate, he's a really good kid, humble.... and the coaching staff in Paris works hard on their young core weaknesses particulary with Kamagate. He'll surprise people in the NBA imo. I also have Kessler a little bit higher and imo if the spurs will take a C, it will be with their last pick.

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1517507153535418370

By the way, Kamagate just declared. You'll see that he's not just a lob and put back guy.

Definitely not. I can see him becoming a solid NBA player.

[rascal]

In other words, it's a good draft to have 3 firsts in.

It will be hard for the spurs to mess this draft up with so many good players this year.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/EvanTownsend_/status/1517629991953084421

Someone believe in this ?

[Degoat]

^ Zero chance lol some of the guys I would agree are spurs guys and made me think but no way that’s their big board

[T Park]

Leonard Miller isn’t eligible for this year so the list is bullshit

[T Park]

That makes sense, thanks.

I was pretty sure it wasn't Vassell because of Halliburton.

In the draft room it was as close to a coin flip as it gets. Room was split 50/50

[ZeusWillJudge]

https://twitter.com/EvanTownsend_/status/1517629991953084421

Someone believe in this ?


Leonard Miller isn’t eligible for this year so the list is bullshit


I'm pretty sure Miller is eligible. He just hasn't declared. He's 6'9" and a 5-star recruit. I wouldn't rule it out.

LaRavia is 6'9", 230, and shoots the 3. I wouldn't rule it out.

We've talked about Beauchamp, and I'm not a fan. But he's been associated with the Spurs for months.

It could be total BS - somebody just projecting. But we all talk about what the Spurs SHOULD do, knowing that they pretty much always go some unexpected route. Miller would be a swing for the fence. I would rather have two scoops of vanilla out of this draft, but if they're looking for a Kawhi-type of home run outside the Top 4? Yeah, he might be a place to look.

[mystargtr34]

I heard Miller is eligible too. Canada is having a bit of a run with basketball prospects. Sharpe, Mathurin, Primo, Miller.

I doubt this list is legit you wouldn’t give an intern access to this lol. But if it was it must be their list for the 20 and 25 picks obviously.

[PhantomDashCam]

I'm pretty sure Miller is eligible. He just hasn't declared. He's 6'9" and a 5-star recruit. I wouldn't rule it out.

LaRavia is 6'9", 230, and shoots the 3. I wouldn't rule it out.

We've talked about Beauchamp, and I'm not a fan. But he's been associated with the Spurs for months.

It could be total BS - somebody just projecting. But we all talk about what the Spurs SHOULD do, knowing that they pretty much always go some unexpected route. Miller would be a swing for the fence. I would rather have two scoops of vanilla out of this draft, but if they're looking for a Kawhi-type of home run outside the Top 4? Yeah, he might be a place to look.

I noticed that tweet originated from somebody named Zeus… Mmmm, Is there something you’d like to tell all of us? :lol

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/EvanTownsend_/status/1517629991953084421

Someone believe in this ?

No. If anything is a scouting list for the twenty range picks.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I noticed that tweet originated from somebody named Zeus… Mmmm, Is there something you’d like to tell all of us? :lol


Oh, man, I never noticed that. :rollin

No, I don't know any interns. And I sure don't know what the Spurs are thinking about this draft or any other.

[BackHome]

What no Procida come on man..........

[BackHome]

I heard Miller is eligible too. Canada is having a bit of a run with basketball prospects. Sharpe, Mathurin, Primo, Miller.

I doubt this list is legit you wouldn’t give an intern access to this lol. But if it was it must be their list for the 20 and 25 picks obviously.

Damn if Miller comes out he for sure will impact the top 10 easily and I would take him in an instant the dude is going to be good - If you care to listen to a recent interview he had google...2022 Nike Hoop Summit This kids screams Spurs player all over....:)

[Russ]

Leonard Miller is pick 35 on NBAdraft.net's latest mock (dated April 12).

[rascal]

I'm pretty sure Miller is eligible. He just hasn't declared. He's 6'9" and a 5-star recruit. I wouldn't rule it out.

LaRavia is 6'9", 230, and shoots the 3. I wouldn't rule it out.

We've talked about Beauchamp, and I'm not a fan. But he's been associated with the Spurs for months.

It could be total BS - somebody just projecting. But we all talk about what the Spurs SHOULD do, knowing that they pretty much always go some unexpected route. Miller would be a swing for the fence. I would rather have two scoops of vanilla out of this draft, but if they're looking for a Kawhi-type of home run outside the Top 4? Yeah, he might be a place to look.

Miller would be a horrible pick at 9. They can get him later in the draft.

[SAGirl]

It will be hard for the spurs to mess this draft up with so many good players this year.
Don’t jinx it please. ;)

[SAGirl]

1517629991953084421

Someone believe in this ?
No tbh…. But if it were, those are not the names people are going gaga over here… so maybe it’s true. ;)

[SAGirl]

No. If anything is a scouting list for the twenty range picks.
Wasn’t Primo mocked in the 20s initially as well? I don’t believe that list is true, but I also expect the Spurs to go their own way, not the projections.

[Degoat]

The Ochai Agbaji interest on that list raises my eyebrows lol doesn’t RC have big connections to Bill self at Kansas and doesn’t his son work for the Austin Spurs? With that being said that connection hasn’t ever lead to the spurs drafting Kansas players but they would have plenty of intel on Agbaji if they were interested

[Dejounte]

Don’t know if the list is legit (I’d lean against no) but big boards by NBA teams should be dictated by their own heavy research as opposed to mock drafts made by the media which have been proven to be completely off (not by order, but by eventual player success) year by year. So fuck your mock drafts that you rely so hard on to tell you whether a draft selection was good or bad, you sheep. Be original. Develop a keen eye for talent and stop listening to what everybody has to say all the time. But most of all, don’t be so enamored by highlights. Watch the lowlights, too. Shit, watch a full college/international game if you can.

[Mr. Body]

Wasn’t Primo mocked in the 20s initially as well? I don’t believe that list is true, but I also expect the Spurs to go their own way, not the projections.

I mean, if you see something claimed to be from the Spurs regarding the draft or trades, it's automatically false. I don't think they've leaked even a fraction of anything for years. Yes, mocks had Primo down in the late first round, but as has been discussed many times, mock drafts were very slow to see him moving up, as well as Ziaire Williams. None of those mock drafts have anything to do with what the Spurs were doing. This list is probably the same thing -- just random bullshit.

[SAGirl]

I mean, if you see something claimed to be from the Spurs regarding the draft or trades, it's automatically false. I don't think they've leaked even a fraction of anything for years. Yes, mocks had Primo down in the late first round, but as has been discussed many times, mock drafts were very slow to see him moving up, as well as Ziaire Williams. None of those mock drafts have anything to do with what the Spurs were doing. This list is probably the same thing -- just random bullshit.
True and I agree, but my point is no one knows what the Spurs are doing anyway. The fact that some names are looking like late first round picks don’t mean anything.

[TD 21]

What list? I literally don't see anything . . .

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ9kOxrWUAA1Dm1?format=jpg&name=large

[JPB]

https://twitter.com/EvanTownsend_/status/1517629991953084421

Someone believe in this ?

Welcome on Twitter and its hilarious wannabees where anyone can invent themselves a life... But lol at the fired ghost intern. Like spurs, or any team, was giving access to that kind of stuff to some intern who would give it then to some other nobody named Zeus with his 114 followers and Jean-Luc Picard avatar...

[K...]

2 RT, 3 QT and 6 likes lean shitposter. Not even Don Harris would steal that shit.

3 rt 1 qt, 7 likes for the evan hansen QT

Also lol

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[ZeusWillJudge]

Don’t know if the list is legit (I’d lean against no) but big boards by NBA teams should be dictated by their own heavy research as opposed to mock drafts made by the media which have been proven to be completely off (not by order, but by eventual player success) year by year. So fuck your mock drafts that you rely so hard on to tell you whether a draft selection was good or bad, you sheep. Be original. Develop a keen eye for talent and stop listening to what everybody has to say all the time. But most of all, don’t be so enamored by highlights. Watch the lowlights, too. Shit, watch a full college/international game if you can.


Best advice ever. I don't expect many people to listen, but still solid advice. Gabriele Procida just declared for the draft. On paper, he looks almost like a prototype. On the highlight reels he looks like Superman. I'm not saying he's bad, just that neither of those things tells me anything meaningful. I wish I had followed him, to have some idea... but I haven't.

[PrimeMinister]

Nope. Halliburton was the consensus highest rated prospect still on the board.

seemed like much more of a toss up on draft night than you make it out to be.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Welcome on Twitter and its hilarious wannabees where anyone can invent themselves a life... But lol at the fired ghost intern. Like spurs, or any team, was giving access to that kind of stuff to some intern who would give it then to some other nobody named Zeus with his 114 followers and Jean-Luc Picard avatar...


Hey, hey... step lightly on the name. :lol

That list is probably BS. Most "leaked" information is. But information does leak, and interns sort of creep around the office like cockroaches, and people sometimes just ignore them.

I said before, I would like the Spurs to just order two scoops of vanilla from this draft. But count how many times they've called the name of the Spurs' first pick and we've all said, "Who?" And then they pick someone that people have actually been talking about, and it's Sammich. The only reason I even gave that list a second look is because it's got a couple of guys who look like Spurs' Surprise picks.

[Mr. Body]

Highlight reels (from high school) are causing a lot of casuals to swear Shaeden Sharpe deserves to go number one. Sheesh.

[JPB]

Hey, hey... step lightly on the name. :lol

That list is probably BS. Most "leaked" information is. But information does leak, and interns sort of creep around the office like cockroaches, and people sometimes just ignore them.

I said before, I would like the Spurs to just order two scoops of vanilla from this draft. But count how many times they've called the name of the Spurs' first pick and we've all said, "Who?" And then they pick someone that people have actually been talking about, and it's Sammich. The only reason I even gave that list a second look is because it's got a couple of guys who look like Spurs' Surprise picks.

Yeah probably but the thing about these Twitter mythomaniacs is that they don't even 2 minutes to think about their "stories"... The intern would have been fired.. before he leaked the list. I mean if they caught him "stealing" it (lol), he couln't have sent it to "Zeus Picard"... Dude litterally says in the same tweet he "leaks" the list it that the mysterious intern got fired... How did they know? He left his fingerprints? That kind of lists dont just lie on the kitchen table, you'll only find them on devices nowadays.

Anyway 100% crap from Jean-Luc Zeus.

[R. DeMurre]

I personally wouldn't pick Sharpe in the top 5, but it's still a little odd hearing some fans say that taking a chance on Primo was a brilliant draft move, but potentially taking a chance on the former #1 ranked high school guy isn't... are high risk high reward moves only interesting if they're done by your favorite team? Sharpe's the same age as Jabari Smith and Jeremy Sochan, and older than Jalen Duren, so it's not even like he has an advantage there, but if he shows up at pre-draft workouts and looks good-- like Primo did-- why wouldn't you consider it? I mean if Devin Vassell plays 20 minutes in a gym with Sharpe and then tells Brian Wright "holy shit, this dude is better than Primo right now," is Wright going to say "nah, fuck that, he's too inexperienced to draft?"


It's gets a little tiring to hear some people on spurstalk refer to all mock drafts as lame or amateurish. Lots of them are done by guys with a ton of experience and a great eye for talent, as well as inside advantages that none of us have, like access to players, the chance to interview & watch them play in person, personal contacts with front office guys, etc... Like anything else, it's all a matter of choosing which ones to look at, and knowing which ones have a history of wise and informed selections. Sure, some random dude on Bleacher Report can be easily dismissed. But Jonathan Givony, Mike Schmitz, Kevin O'Connor, Hollinger, the Dean on Draft guy, etc? A lot of those guys actually have better records choosing players than the GMs of some NBA teams. Writing them all off as a bunch of Know Nothings is ridiculous. They're extremely well informed guys who devote all of their time to scouting.

[Mr. Body]

Of course if Sharpe looks great at the combine and interviews well you consider him. What point are you making? People are saying that jacking off over the dude because he rocked some 5'8" high schoolers is kind of stupid, but it's common among casual ESPN fans.

Primo was moving because he was working out very well and did great at the combine, plus teams really really liked his demeanor. That's it. If Sharpe does those things, then great. Drafting him in the top 5 just because he has some Youtube videos is dumb as shit, but then no team is actually going to do that. I hope.

And mock drafts are fun, but are strictly amateur level. There are some like Givony and others who have some in-roads with teams and start reflecting whwat they hear. They're almsot always wrong anyway, even the guys who get paid for this shit.

So you're kinda ranting about nothin'.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol rant on, pal

[Mr. Body]

To me, Sharpe is a mix of James Wiseman and Dante Exum until proven otherwise, and I won't have access to what teams see. So for now I won't worship some jaggoff who couldn't be bothered to get prepped and in shape when he was eligible to play and his team could have used him.

[Mr. Body]

The problem with mock drafts is that they have already solidified many draft ranges because of what amounts to group think. The hive mind has decided AJ Griffin is a tier 2 player. Deserves to go shortly after the top 4 guys, everyone says. Really? Why? Because a lot of commentators have been saying this for months and a lot of message boards repeat the same stuff as this received wisdom. Then GMs get pressure to not rock the boat and make 'safe' picks so they don't piss off the fans and owners and get fired. Then in three to four years everyone forgets how the drafts actually went and a lot of teams have fucked up the process.

[BackHome]

Leonard Miller is pick 35 on NBAdraft.net's latest mock (dated April 12).

To be honest Draft.Net is probably one of the worst mocks to look at it’s went down hill fast. If you look at 2023 NBA Mock Draft they have him going 9. Not saying Spurs will pick him but if he enters the draft that will have a slight impact on draft

[R. DeMurre]

The problem with mock drafts is that they have already solidified many draft ranges because of what amounts to group think. The hive mind has decided AJ Griffin is a tier 2 player. Deserves to go shortly after the top 4 guys, everyone says. Really? Why? Because a lot of commentators have been saying this for months and a lot of message boards repeat the same stuff as this received wisdom. Then GMs get pressure to not rock the boat and make 'safe' picks so they don't piss off the fans and owners and get fired. Then in three to four years everyone forgets how the drafts actually went and a lot of teams have fucked up the process.


In 2014, the Dean On Draft website had Nikola Jokic at #16 on his big board, and predicted in his mock that the Spurs would grab him with their late first round pick. That's something that 30 professional GMs missed. If the Spurs had felt "pressured" to take Jokic, they'd be miles ahead of where they currently are. Again, you can't lump all mocks in the same boat. There are literally 100s of them, and they have the same range as NBA players, from end of bench scrubs to first team all NBA superstars.

[KingKev]

Evan Townsend and Zeus probably work for PTR or Clutchpoints #Porvida

[Dejounte]

L Miller declared for the draft. I much rather like that gamble as opposed to Sharpe due to his size.

[PhantomDashCam]

Just waiting on word from John Butler of FSU now it seems. I’d imagine he’d at least dip his toes in…

[buttsR4rebounding]

L Miller declared for the draft. I much rather like that gamble as opposed to Sharpe due to his size.

This is the real open growth plate example. He has grown 6” in the last 18 months. Now is 6’10” with a 7’2” wingspan.

[BatManu20]

AJ Griffin is going to be the one who’s falls on draft day imo. I could see him falling out of the top-10 entirely.

[T Park]

Highlight reels (from high school) are causing a lot of casuals to swear Shaeden Sharpe deserves to go number one. Sheesh.

Hey that’s fine just pushes everyone down farther

[T Park]

AJ Griffin is going to be the one who’s falls on draft day imo. I could see him falling out of the top-10 entirely.

When I watched him he just seemed to be not very athletic. However that was just tournament games so I’m probably wrong

[FutureMan]

This list is kinda scary since the lottery hasn’t even happened yet. I obviously don’t know if it’s real but it if is are they going to take Miller at 4 if the jump up? Or is it literally a unwritten rule that they would take one of Ivey, Banchero, Holmgren, Smith?? Just as concerning, would they take Miller even if someone like Mathurin falls to them? Scary

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

When I watched him he just seemed to be not very athletic. However that was just tournament games so I’m probably wrong

He was apparently pretty athletic before his knee injuries in high school. That’s another red flag. Along with his extremely wide stance when he shoots. Just think there’s enough there to warrant him dropping a few spots.

[T Park]

He was apparently pretty athletic before his knee injuries in high school. That’s another red flag. Along with his extremely wide stance when he shoots. Just think there’s enough there to warrant him dropping a few spots.

Good to see I’m not the only one who thinks his speed and athleticism aren’t enough to be a 3.

[SAGirl]

What list? I literally don't see anything . . .
Apparently this list
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[SAGirl]

2 RT, 3 QT and 6 likes lean shitposter. Not even Don Harris would steal that shit.

3 rt 1 qt, 7 likes for the evan hansen QT

Also lol

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Lol I only just saw this now bc I hadn’t scrolled through the thread all the way to the end. Zeus V is just a self admitted troll.

[R. DeMurre]

Watch the Spurs draft Leonard Miller and within 72 hours, all of the massively anti-Sharpe people here will become massive pro-Leonard cheerleaders.

[R. DeMurre]

Hell, I'd be happy with Leonard and Jake LaRavia... Agbaji & Beauchamp might be gone by 20 or 25. Leonard would be swinging for the fences, and LaRavia more of a safe bet on fundamentals. Maybe the Spurs become team Canada and rename themselves the Naismiths.

[SAGirl]

Hell, I'd be happy with Leonard and Jake LaRavia... Agbaji & Beauchamp might be gone by 20 or 25. Leonard would be swinging for the fences, and LaRavia more of a safe bet on fundamentals. Maybe the Spurs become team Canada and rename themselves the Naismiths.
:lol this was funny. I appreciate the sense of humor.

[Degoat]

I get the sense that people aren’t high on AJ Griffin, he’s not one of my top choices but he is intriguing Imo. He has good handles for a young wing and has a decent step back 3

[Mr. Body]

I get the sense that people aren’t high on AJ Griffin, he’s not one of my top choices but he is intriguing Imo. He has good handles for a young wing and has a decent step back 3

He actually has really terrible ball-handling skills. He can barely dribble.

[Degoat]

He actually has really terrible ball-handling skills. He can barely dribble.

I Disagree for someone his age it’s pretty good, 2:03 mark the scouting report talks about it.

https://youtu.be/P2nlf4DhGsU

[BatManu20]

Lol I’d put very little into that random “leaked screenshot from an intern” :lol

Leonard Miller did just declare for the draft though, but he’s not hiring an agent. So something to keep an eye on. Admittedly I know nothing about the kid and this is the first time I’ve even heard of him. He’s reportedly 6’11 210 lbs with a 7’3 wingspan, which catches your attention. Just read he was a 6’4 Guard just a couple years ago before hitting a massive growth these past 2 seasons. That definitely catches your attention. He’s also a lefty which stands out in his highlights. So a 6’11 F/C with a lefty mid-range stroke immediately brings thoughts of Chris Bosh. He’s obviously not the same prospect as Bosh was, who was a blue-chipper out of Dallas in high school.

I’ll have to do more research on him. Everything I’m seeing so far has him rated as a borderline First Rounder. So top-10 seems like a massive reach as of right now. But just watching his videos, you can see some definite potential. Not only in his shooting, but his passing as well. Can tell that he has some Guard-like skills. Definitely seems like a player the Spurs would be interested in. Maybe the intern story is legit :lol:


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[BatManu20]

Definitely has some Chris Bosh in his game. Looks like a kid who needs at least one year of college experience though. Really raw just based on his videos.



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[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

I Disagree for someone his age it’s pretty good, 2:03 mark the scouting report talks about it.

https://youtu.be/P2nlf4DhGsU

I've watched him play. His handle is really poor for a wing.

[KingKev]

Lol I only just saw this now bc I hadn’t scrolled through the thread all the way to the end. Zeus V is just a self admitted troll.

Haha the thing is sometimes there is merit behind a witty troll. Character, culture, boy scouts medals factor differently into our recruitment process to an absolute extreme these days.

[dbestpro]

Miller's forehead alone is about 6 inches.

[jjspur]

The spurs will not draft 4 players unless they have a really bad draft night. Drafting 4 players smacks of desperation with your current team. They aren't there yet, plus that would mean four current spurs wouldn't be on the team any more. That's a lot of change just for inexperienced rookies. It won't happen.

I think they'll draft #9 and possibly trade out of the rest of the first round to get a current NBA player or players to improve the current team. Funny, I think they'll select a guard in the second round to replace Lonnie. I can hear it already "we have enough guards, draft a big".

[GAustex]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ9kOxrWUAA1Dm1?format=jpg&name=large
Please please please
Oh please somehow please

[Biggems]

Thoughts on Mark Williams? He is a true center, somewhat of an old school center. I have seen him in the lottery of many mocks. I am not a huge fan of Duke players in general, but I know he is at least a solid defensive option. From what I have seen of his offensive game, he is pretty much DeAndre Jordan, scoring on lobs and dunks for almost all of his non-FT points. He is a decent passer, had some nice chemistry with that Hurts kid. I am just wondering what some of the Spurs Talk posters think of him as a potential Spur.

[BatManu20]

Miller's forehead alone is about 6 inches.

The new fat-head :lol

[bluebellmaniac]

Miller's forehead alone is about 6 inches.

Seems to lend credence to the validity of the list... Interesting.

[BatManu20]

The #2 ranked prospect on the mysterious Spurs linked list has officially declared for the draft. I posted in here back in early March how he’s one of my favorite prospects in the Draft, especially if we draft a Guard with our first pick. Only negative is he just turned 22 this month. Other than that, he’s a great 2-way SG who shoots it well from 3. Obviously well-coached under Bill Self. Was their best player on a National Championship team this year, etc.


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[BatManu20]

I really don’t want a Guard with our first pick but I can see why the Spurs would be interested. One of the best 2-way players in CBB last season. 6’5 215 lbs with a 6’10 wingspan. Athletic. Would definitely signal the end of Lonnie’s time in San Antonio though.


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[rascal]

Ogbaji plays with fire and heart and he is skilled. Hope the Spurs can trade one of the later picks to move up enough and get him.

[BatManu20]

Mixtape made today of Miller’s high school highlights. He’s got some legit talent, especially for his age tbh. To go along with that 6’11 frame. If he stays in the draft, he’s gonna shoot up boards imo.


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[Mr. Body]

Ochai Agbaji - Definitely not with the first pick. Very interested with the later picks.

Leonard Miller - My bet is he shoots up into lottery consideration, late lottery or even mid.

[The Truth #6]

Mixtape made today of Miller’s high school highlights. He’s got some legit talent, especially for his age tbh. To go along with that 6’11 frame. If he stays in the draft, he’s gonna shoot up boards imo.


vYAaJtlY3FI

Damn interesting prospect. Hopefully he declares to get more talent into the top ten.

[Dejounte]

Damn interesting prospect. Hopefully he declares to get more talent into the top ten.

He officially declared

[The Truth #6]

He officially declared

But I think he can still back out, right? Hopefully he stays. Not saying he’s the Spurs’ target but he checks a lot of theoretical boxes, and with a bunch ofpicks, seems like a player to look into.

[rascal]

Sharpe > Miller

People interested in Miller now since they saw a phony list with him as the Spurs top prospect.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[duncan2150]

I really don’t want a Guard with our first pick but I can see why the Spurs would be interested. One of the best 2-way players in CBB last season. 6’5 215 lbs with a 6’10 wingspan. Athletic. Would definitely signal the end of Lonnie’s time in San Antonio though.


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Imo Agbaji is a wing not a guard, with his wingspan he can play the 2 and the 3. Maybe too high at 9 as i see a really strong role player in the NBA and he'll probably be gone at 20.

Other than that if the spurs take Agbaji that means Keldon will still play PF, imo the spurs have to draft a pure SG or a combo guard to say goodbye for sure to Lonnie.

[rascal]

Agbaji is better at the 2. You lose his length advantage he would have at the 2 if you slot him at 3.

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Ochai Agbaji - Definitely not with the first pick. Very interested with the later picks.

Leonard Miller - My bet is he shoots up into lottery consideration, late lottery or even mid.

Leonard Miller = Chris Bosh, Jr.

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Sharpe > Miller

People interested in Miller now since they saw a phony list with him as the Spurs top prospect.

He'd be in Pop's G-League for 2 years easy. He's the type of pick that's worth the reach, imo. Because he should be REALLY good for sure in 3-5 years. So maybe at 20 if he's still available. I wouldn't reach beyond like 10 or 12 on him though given he's a project. So depends where Spurs lottery comes in.

[rascal]

He'd be in Pop's G-League for 2 years easy. He's the type of pick that's worth the reach, imo. Because he should be REALLY good for sure in 3-5 years. So maybe at 20 if he's still available. I wouldn't reach beyond like 10 or 12 on him though given he's a project. So depends where Spurs lottery comes in.

Sharpe will be gone before the Spurs pick at 9. No way you take Miller at 9.

[The Truth #6]

Leonard Miller could be a wildcard. Not saying I have a great handle on his talent but I'm glad he's in the draft at this point so that if nothing else maybe other players fall to one of our multiple picks.

With Agbaji, he could easily be another senior that was around in the middle of the first round who people later wish they had picked. I don't worry that he's a senior, just the opposite, I kind of like it because it's actually nice for a player now and then to be able to come in and play right away. He looks to be a role player, but his shooting looks legit and he has enough athleticism where you hope he could still add to his game and improve. He's not the player position we need to target at all but sad to say I'd way more have him on the team next year than Lonnie Walker, not even a hesitation about that.

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Sharpe will be gone before the Spurs pick at 9. No way you take Miller at 9.

Remember though, we aren't locked at 9. Could be top 4, could be 10 or worse. That's why I said I don't think you go above like 10 or so for Miller despite some having him inside that top ten. I think he will be a really solid player, in like 3 to 4 years. But given the team is trying to build with a bunch of 21-26 year olds, a 4 yr timeframe might not work for the teams best interests, plus you already have Brawndo (did you know he's the youngest player in the league = sarcasm) trying to develop.

[mo7888]

Remember though, we aren't locked at 9. Could be top 4, could be 10 or worse. That's why I said I don't think you go above like 10 or so for Miller despite some having him inside that top ten. I think he will be a really solid player, in like 3 to 4 years. But given the team is trying to build with a bunch of 21-26 year olds, a 4 yr timeframe might not work for the teams best interests, plus you already have Brawndo (did you know he's the youngest player in the league = sarcasm) trying to develop.

I think this is the right way to look at it. Although, I do think that we have to consider that the FO could push back the timeline (if Pop retires) and keep the Vassell and younger guys and trade the DJ, Poeltl, and KJ group for future assets. I don't necessarily expect it (I think it goes the way you layed it out) but it's not out of the realm of possibility if they don't feel like they can add to the current core. If they did that I could see them reaching a bit on Miller or trading up a bit for Sharpe..

[duncan2150]

At 9 i will not be cheerful with Miller as i think the Spurs needs some help right away. But like all project you'll see in 2-3 years but i really think we can draft someone who will be good directly.

At 20 or 25 i could go with a project.

[ZeusWillJudge]

At 9 i will not be cheerful with Miller as i think the Spurs needs some help right away. But like all project you'll see in 2-3 years but i really think we can draft someone who will be good directly.

At 20 or 25 i could go with a project.


Miller is less of a project, and closer to a boom-or-bust pick. And I don't think he'll be a total bust. He absolutely COULD be a star in the NBA, but he'll at least play. He's a perfect positional fit for the Spurs, and last I checked, he was shooting around .400 from 3P this season. Weak defenders can give you a path to the rim, but they can't throw the ball through the hole for you. There's zero chance, IMO, that the Spurs take him if they move up because there are three known-quantity forwards there. At 9 he would be a swing for the fence, but we keep talking about how the Spurs land a player that makes them better than mediocre, and something like this is one way. If he goes to Kentucky (or several other top-tier programs) next season, my guess is that it's at least a coin toss that he's in the Top-4 discussion this time next year.

Would I pick him at 9? Nope. But I don't have professional scouts that have been out to watch him in person. If the Spurs pick him there, you can bet that they think he can give them a shot at being contenders again - and that's what we all say we want. If I hear the Spurs call his name on draft night, I will be excited, because it wll mean that they have that much confidence in a right-size, right-fit player. For me it's as simple as that.

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Miller is less of a project, and closer to a boom-or-bust pick. And I don't think he'll be a total bust. He absolutely COULD be a star in the NBA, but he'll at least play. He's a perfect positional fit for the Spurs, and last I checked, he was shooting around .400 from 3P this season. Weak defenders can give you a path to the rim, but they can't throw the ball through the hold for you. There's zero chance, IMO, that the Spurs take him if they move up because there are three known-quantity forwards there. At 9 he would be a swing for the fence, but we keep talking about how the Spurs land a player that makes them better than mediocre, and something like this is one way. If he goes to Kentucky (or several other top-tier programs) next season, my guess is that it's at least a coin toss that he's in the Top-4 discussion this time next year.

Would I pick him at 9? Nope. But I don't have professional scouts that have been out to watch him in person. If the Spurs pick him there, you can bet that they think he can give them a shot at being contenders again - and that's what we all say we want. If I hear the Spurs call his name on draft night, I will be excited, because it wll mean that they have that much confidence in a right-size, right-fit player. For me it's as simple as that.

That he grew 7 inches in 18 months from 6'4" to 6'11" with a 7'4 wingspan is special because he came up with some agility that most big men don't possess. And I agree that he's boom or bust. I say he reminds me of Chris Bosh, who is in the HOF now, so the kid has lots of upsides. And he **could** be even better...SCARY GOOD, upside.

Just don't know if you go there for someone that clearly has some years of development to add some wright/muscle, and to adjust to the NBA physicality, and where he'll be playing given he is a 7' footer practically. He's gonna have to be a PF/C given his height and wingspan, at least defensively, with the potential to guard 1-5.

[duncan2150]

Miller is less of a project, and closer to a boom-or-bust pick. And I don't think he'll be a total bust. He absolutely COULD be a star in the NBA, but he'll at least play. He's a perfect positional fit for the Spurs, and last I checked, he was shooting around .400 from 3P this season. Weak defenders can give you a path to the rim, but they can't throw the ball through the hole for you. There's zero chance, IMO, that the Spurs take him if they move up because there are three known-quantity forwards there. At 9 he would be a swing for the fence, but we keep talking about how the Spurs land a player that makes them better than mediocre, and something like this is one way. If he goes to Kentucky (or several other top-tier programs) next season, my guess is that it's at least a coin toss that he's in the Top-4 discussion this time next year.

Would I pick him at 9? Nope. But I don't have professional scouts that have been out to watch him in person. If the Spurs pick him there, you can bet that they think he can give them a shot at being contenders again - and that's what we all say we want. If I hear the Spurs call his name on draft night, I will be excited, because it wll mean that they have that much confidence in a right-size, right-fit player. For me it's as simple as that.

I don't disagree, my opinion is maybe it's not good to go for boom or bust this year, i could be wrong. I just saw some highlights of Miller, based on the level of competition it's very hard to evaluate him.

Offcourse, if the Spurs take him, i will believe in their process but i think you can have something pretty equal and more ready at 9. I could be totally wrong on this but that's my vision.

[NickiRasgo]

Mixtape made today of Miller’s high school highlights. He’s got some legit talent, especially for his age tbh. To go along with that 6’11 frame. If he stays in the draft, he’s gonna shoot up boards imo.


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Looks meh to me. I may be wrong and it's only highlights but doesn't see him as a good fit in the NBA even once he's done being project - yup I know he's still young.
His shot form looks bad and his body frame (and poised) even if he bulks up, it seems he will struggle.
I'm seeing some attitude issue or maybe he's only being hyped. He has the tendency to over do or forces things.
Honestly hard to judge since the competition of the highlights is against high school but in comparison to Shaedon Sharpe, I'm more impressed with SS on how he plays even though the footage are limited to high school competition as well.

Just an initial impression. lol

Seems like another Tony Snell or with some a little bit of Chris Bosh for me. But if he's available at 38th, I guess not bad esp. if he pans out considering he'll be a project for the meantime.

[Biggems]

Leonard Miller = Chris Bosh, Jr.

Chris Bosh was a damn fine player.

[BatManu20]

Are we watching he same videos? “He doesn’t seem like a good fit in the NBA.” How..? He’s 6’11, a solid athlete, is a good passer, can shoot the midrange J, and was a 40% shooter from 3 his Senior year… How is that not a good fit for the NBA lol. And I’m curious what part of that makes you think he’s “Tony Snell” lmao (who is 6’6 btw — they’re nothing alike).

I’m not saying the kid is gonna be a star, but he’s clearly got a lot of talent and skills that translate directly to the next level. He’s a 5-Star recruit for a reason. The likes of Kentucky & Arizona want him badly. Should tell you something. If he goes to college or the G-League for a year and plays well, he could easily be a top-10 pick next year.

[BatManu20]

Chris Bosh was a damn fine player.

Seriously. He’s a literal a Hall of Famer. We’d be lucky to select a player of that caliber. And I’m not saying Miller is, but there’s clearly some similarities to their games, hence my comparison.

[Mr. Body]

Looks meh to me. I may be wrong and it's only highlights but doesn't see him as a good fit in the NBA even once he's done being project - yup I know he's still young.
His shot form looks bad and his body frame (and poised) even if he bulks up, it seems he will struggle.
I'm seeing some attitude issue or maybe he's only being hyped. He has the tendency to over do or forces things.
Honestly hard to judge since the competition of the highlights is against high school but in comparison to Shaedon Sharpe, I'm more impressed with SS on how he plays even though the footage are limited to high school competition as well.

Just an initial impression. lol


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Chris Bosh was a damn fine player.

Yup. HOF. He probably has a valid claim to being the best native born Texan ever to play in the NBA. LMA is a strong contender.

[The Truth #6]

Scouting videos and reports suggest Miller plays to win, which is good to hear. Sort of a tangent, but my concern is that he's wearing his sunglasses way too often in these videos, which make me curious about his personality. But he's Canadian, so he has to be nice.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VJm-iWAstQ

If you want a scouting vid on the kid, here's one. To be taken with a grain of salt, but the guy has actually watched the games. The only thing that really mattered to me is around 4:00 when it says he works to involve teammates.

People need to realize these vids don't mean much at all. They need to realize running and dunking and shooting isn't basketball. A guy can hit shots or get his head around the rim, but that's not basketball. Once you realize what basketball actually is, then you're getting somewhere.

At this point, claiming Sharpe is worth a top 5 pick and Leonard Miller isn't worth a top 10 pick is stupid. Either they both should be hyped or neither should be hyped at all. They're the same player right now conceptually. Other than frame and size, there is literally no difference between them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VJm-iWAstQ


Other than frame and size, there is literally no difference between them.

Yeah, but the frame makes Sharpe more draft ready since he won't need as much time to grow into his body. But let me make clear, I'm not, nor have I heretofore advocated for Sharpe. Between the two, I'd rather have Miller.

But since he's not gonna be ready for a few years most likely, I'm all about getting me some Cockburn ;)

[Seventyniner]

If the Leonard Miller hype train heats up enough, he could go top 8 and, like Sharpe, push another good player to the Spurs' pick at 9 or 10. Assuming the Spurs don't move into the top 4, of course.

[JPB]

Scouting videos and reports suggest Miller plays to win, which is good to hear. Sort of a tangent, but my concern is that he's wearing his sunglasses way too often in these videos, which make me curious about his personality. But he's Canadian, so he has to be nice.

that's some deep scouting right there. Let us know the ones who play to lose.

[R. DeMurre]

It's really hard to judge players with no college games at all like Sharpe & Miller. 18 months ago, most sites/scouts had Emoni Bates rated higher than Jabari Smith and Keegan Murray. I doubt you could find a single scout or analyst in the world who thinks that today.

[Russ]

that's some deep scouting right there. Let us know the ones who play to lose.

The opposite of playing to win is not playing to lose.

The opposite of playing to win is not playing to win.

(After that grandiose observation, I'll quietly go back to platitudes about Jacob Riis and rock-pounding. :lol)

[R. DeMurre]

Scouting videos and reports suggest Miller plays to win, which is good to hear. Sort of a tangent, but my concern is that he's wearing his sunglasses way too often in these videos, which make me curious about his personality. But he's Canadian, so he has to be nice.


:lol

[Ocotillo]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/515EN9AFD9L.jpg

[ZeusWillJudge]

It's really hard to judge players with no college games at all like Sharpe & Miller. 18 months ago, most sites/scouts had Emoni Bates rated higher than Jabari Smith and Keegan Murray. I doubt you could find a single scout or analyst in the world who thinks that today.


It's hard to judge players who do have college experience. If it wasn't, all this pre-draft time wouldn't be such a circus every year. And "sites" being ridiculous I expect. Scouts... real scouts... don't publish their picks. They get paid by somebody, and whoever pays them don't want to give the information away. Collectively, this place is as good at throwing darts as most of the internet drivel out there.

What I can say about Miller is that he's tall, reasonably athletic, reasonably smooth putting the ball on the floor, and he knocked down 3's somewhere around a .400 rate this year. Unless he gets shorter, less athletic, more awkward with his dribble, or forgets how to make 3's, he's a person of interest. Beyond that, it would take some real information from real scouts to know if he's really ready to jump in to the NBA. But other guys have done it successfully.

All I've said is that the Spurs won't just swing for the fence. They'll at least wait for a hanging curve ball. If they decide to take him at 9 (and let's face it, they probably won't), he's pretty much the prototype for the KIND of player I would like to see them land. Just don't saddle me with any of the other claims and comments being made about him.

[Drom John]

Using ESPN "best available" as a substitute for "consensus,"

2021 Keon Johnson / Joshua Primo
2020 Tyrese Haliburton / Devin Vassell
2019 Nassir Little / Luka Samanic
2018 Robert Williams / Lonnie Walker IV
2017 Frank Jackson / Derrick White
2016 Dejounte Murray / Dejounte Murray
2015 Montrezl Harrell / Nikola Milutinov
2014 Kyle Anderson / Kyle Anderson
2013 Jamaal Franklin / Livio Jean-Charles
2012 No Spurs first round pick
2011 Kawhi Leonard / Kawhi Leonard, / Cory Joseph
2010 Devin Ebanks / James Anderson
2009 No Spurs first round pick, but [B]DeJuan Blair was 18th on the Big Board.
2008 DeAndre Jordan / George Hill
2007 Tiago Splitter / Tiago Splitter
2006 No Spurs first round pick
2005 David Lee / Ian Mahinmi
2004 Anderson Varajao / Beno Udrih
2003 Josh Howard / Leandro Barbosa (draft day trade to Phoenix)
2002 Jason Jennings / John Salmons (draft day trade to Philadelphia)
2001 Omar Cook / Tony Parker
End of Ford's Big Boards/

[The Truth #6]

that's some deep scouting right there. Let us know the ones who play to lose.

Ha. More specifically, they suggested he isn't just playing to get his points and stats but plays to involve other teammates with the ultimate goal to win the game. Can't be said for every player.

[rascal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VJm-iWAstQ

If you want a scouting vid on the kid, here's one. To be taken with a grain of salt, but the guy has actually watched the games. The only thing that really mattered to me is around 4:00 when it says he works to involve teammates.

People need to realize these vids don't mean much at all. They need to realize running and dunking and shooting isn't basketball. A guy can hit shots or get his head around the rim, but that's not basketball. Once you realize what basketball actually is, then you're getting somewhere.

At this point, claiming Sharpe is worth a top 5 pick and Leonard Miller isn't worth a top 10 pick is stupid. Either they both should be hyped or neither should be hyped at all. They're the same player right now conceptually. Other than frame and size, there is literally no difference between them.

You have a bad eye. Sharpe has more upside and the guys who are making the real NBA decisions also see that.

[Uriel]

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[Biggems]

Ha. More specifically, they suggested he isn't just playing to get his points and stats but plays to involve other teammates with the ultimate goal to win the game. Can't be said for every player.

So what you are saying is that he does not play glory ball, aka Kobe Bryant ball? He plays the game the Spurs way, with a team first attitude, and with the appropriate offensive aggression.

[objective]

Looks meh to me. I may be wrong and it's only highlights but doesn't see him as a good fit in the NBA even once he's done being project - yup I know he's still young.
His shot form looks bad and his body frame (and poised) even if he bulks up, it seems he will struggle.
I'm seeing some attitude issue or maybe he's only being hyped. He has the tendency to over do or forces things.
Honestly hard to judge since the competition of the highlights is against high school but in comparison to Shaedon Sharpe, I'm more impressed with SS on how he plays even though the footage are limited to high school competition as well.

Just an initial impression. lol

Seems like another Tony Snell or with some a little bit of Chris Bosh for me. But if he's available at 38th, I guess not bad esp. if he pans out considering he'll be a project for the meantime.

I don't disagree that much, but I haven't watched everything.

His length and reach don't look so outstanding to me. Low shoulders, long neck plus big head make his arms look shorter, I don't know. Even if he does have a 7-2 wingspan at 6-11, that +3 is pretty average for guys that tall

But I probably wouldn't be that upset if they took him at 20 or 25 or 38 depending on if there's still any standouts left on the board. They have 4 picks, taking a big swing on a high bust factor unknown doesn't bother me. Saw some Reddit posts from raptors fans wanting him at the 2nd they got from San Antonio, so I would be amused if the Spurs took him with the pick they acquired from Toronto

[Thomas82]

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I would be more than happy with this. But we all know the Spurs won't draft 4 players.

[Biggems]

So, we got Primo last year.....imagine getting Sharpe and Miller this year.

[mo7888]

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I'm not that high on Chandler but, overall I don't hate it...

[R. DeMurre]

It's hard to judge players who do have college experience. If it wasn't, all this pre-draft time wouldn't be such a circus every year. And "sites" being ridiculous I expect. Scouts... real scouts... don't publish their picks. They get paid by somebody, and whoever pays them don't want to give the information away. Collectively, this place is as good at throwing darts as most of the internet drivel out there.

What I can say about Miller is that he's tall, reasonably athletic, reasonably smooth putting the ball on the floor, and he knocked down 3's somewhere around a .400 rate this year. Unless he gets shorter, less athletic, more awkward with his dribble, or forgets how to make 3's, he's a person of interest. Beyond that, it would take some real information from real scouts to know if he's really ready to jump in to the NBA. But other guys have done it successfully.

All I've said is that the Spurs won't just swing for the fence. They'll at least wait for a hanging curve ball. If they decide to take him at 9 (and let's face it, they probably won't), he's pretty much the prototype for the KIND of player I would like to see them land. Just don't saddle me with any of the other claims and comments being made about him.


It is kind of fun to watch how certain associations catch fire and almost immediately show up in mocks. I didn't see any mocks of Johnny Davis to the Spurs until nbadraftroom.com listed Manu as a comp, and then in the very next week I saw like four different mocks of him going to the Spurs.

[rascal]

Miller somewhere between Bosh and James Gist

[Mr. Body]

You have a bad eye. Sharpe has more upside and the guys who are making the real NBA decisions also see that.

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I'm starting to see you as one of the stupidest posters on this board, just nothing of value whatsoever.

[Mr. Body]

It is kind of fun to watch how certain associations catch fire and almost immediately show up in mocks. I didn't see any mocks of Johnny Davis to the Spurs until nbadraftroom.com listed Manu as a comp, and then in the very next week I saw like four different mocks of him going to the Spurs.

I don't know if we're seeing much by way of associations. Mock drafters aren't putting much into their mocks yet -- it's not even draft season -- so they're just copying each other at this point.

[Mr. Body]

Using ESPN "best available" as a substitute for "consensus,"

2021 Keon Johnson / Joshua Primo
2020 Tyrese Haliburton / Devin Vassell
2019 Nassir Little / Luka Samanic
2018 Robert Williams / Lonnie Walker IV
2017 Frank Jackson / Derrick White
2016 Dejounte Murray / Dejounte Murray
2015 Montrezl Harrell / Nikola Milutinov
2014 Kyle Anderson / Kyle Anderson
2013 Jamaal Franklin / Livio Jean-Charles
2012 No Spurs first round pick
2011 Kawhi Leonard / Kawhi Leonard, / Cory Joseph
2010 Devin Ebanks / James Anderson
2009 No Spurs first round pick, but [B]DeJuan Blair was 18th on the Big Board.
2008 DeAndre Jordan / George Hill
2007 Tiago Splitter / Tiago Splitter
2006 No Spurs first round pick
2005 David Lee / Ian Mahinmi
2004 Anderson Varajao / Beno Udrih
2003 Josh Howard / Leandro Barbosa (draft day trade to Phoenix)
2002 Jason Jennings / John Salmons (draft day trade to Philadelphia)
2001 Omar Cook / Tony Parker
End of Ford's Big Boards/

Well, either the Spurs have done much better than expected, Ford's big boards are terrible, or both.

[BatManu20]

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• Why would we draft another undersized backup PG in Chandler when we saw real growth from our current undersized backup PG this season.. Make it make sense.

• And I don’t like Kendall Brown as a prospect personally. Great athlete and a good defender, but he has a low bball IQ and poor feel for the game. Watched him multiple times this season and his highlights were few and far between. Disappears for really long stretches.

• Leonard Miller won’t be available at 38 if he stays in this draft. I’d put money on that.

[jjspur]

If the Leonard Miller hype train heats up enough, he could go top 8 and, like Sharpe, push another good player to the Spurs' pick at 9 or 10. Assuming the Spurs don't move into the top 4, of course.
All it takes is one gm to accept the hype and a better player could fall to the spurs at the ninth pick. Lots of GM's aren't as smart as we think they are.

[PhantomDashCam]

• Why would we draft another undersized backup PG in Chandler when we saw real growth from our current undersized backup PG this season.. Make it make sense.

• And I don’t like Kendall Brown as a prospect personally. Great athlete and a good defender, but he has a low bball IQ and poor feel for the game. Watched him multiple times this season and his highlights were few and far between. Disappears for really long stretches.

• Leonard Miller won’t be available at 38 if he stays in this draft. I’d put money on that.

Yeah I agree.
I do think getting Brown at #25 would be tremendous value though. Has all the physical tools teams would covet and if he passes the Spurs Creedo Test (Classified :lol), would arguably have even more talent than Duren out of that crop.

[BatManu20]

Yeah I agree.
I do think getting Brown at #25 would be tremendous value though. Has all the physical tools teams would covet and if he passes the Spurs Creedo Test (Classified :lol), would arguably have even more talent than Duren out of that crop.

Yea if it’s with the 25th then there are definitely worse players you could take there, so I wouldn’t be too mad at it. All depends on who’s available at that point.

[BackHome]

There is so many ways we can go in this draft since we have 3 picks in the first round and a pretty early second rounder. I am really hoping we can luck out and jump in the top 4 if that happens then you can actually start picking players around that draft pick as he should be our All Star.

Either way what happens I see is taking a SG/PF/C/ - and maybe a SF or PF in the second round.

Also, we actually might do some trading it's definitely going to be a fun draft night

[Degoat]

This isn’t at all a priority but I’m not the biggest fan of Tre Jones being our backup PG so if the spurs were to use a pick on a G with one of their later picks I wouldn’t mind especially if it’s Blake Wesley tbh

[Atl Spur]

This isn’t at all a priority but I’m not the biggest fan of Tre Jones being our backup PG so if the spurs were to use a pick on a G with one of their later picks I wouldn’t mind especially if it’s Blake Wesley tbh

Jd Davison anyone?

[FutureMan]

Using ESPN "best available" as a substitute for "consensus,"

2021 Keon Johnson / Joshua Primo
2020 Tyrese Haliburton / Devin Vassell
2019 Nassir Little / Luka Samanic
2018 Robert Williams / Lonnie Walker IV
2017 Frank Jackson / Derrick White
2016 Dejounte Murray / Dejounte Murray
2015 Montrezl Harrell / Nikola Milutinov
2014 Kyle Anderson / Kyle Anderson
2013 Jamaal Franklin / Livio Jean-Charles
2012 No Spurs first round pick
2011 Kawhi Leonard / Kawhi Leonard, / Cory Joseph
2010 Devin Ebanks / James Anderson
2009 No Spurs first round pick, but [B]DeJuan Blair was 18th on the Big Board.
2008 DeAndre Jordan / George Hill
2007 Tiago Splitter / Tiago Splitter
2006 No Spurs first round pick
2005 David Lee / Ian Mahinmi
2004 Anderson Varajao / Beno Udrih
2003 Josh Howard / Leandro Barbosa (draft day trade to Phoenix)
2002 Jason Jennings / John Salmons (draft day trade to Philadelphia)
2001 Omar Cook / Tony Parker
End of Ford's Big Boards/

I forgot about Robert Williams. If my memory serves me correctly he had major character issues. Even going into his rookie year. What about Keldon Johnson?

[BatManu20]

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[Atl Spur]

Sochan & Davison first two picks for me����

[Drom John]

I forgot about Robert Williams. If my memory serves me correctly he had major character issues. Even going into his rookie year. What about Keldon Johnson?

2019 Bol Bol / Keldon Johnson

[Mr. Body]

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Title: "Prospect DOMINATING competition"

Reality: A layup

[ZeusWillJudge]

Title: "Prospect DOMINATING competition"

Reality: A layup


LOL. One layup. He faked one clumsy white kid out of his Converse AllStars and jogged in for a layup, and it's him "dominating" the competition. Made me wonder who published that, and why.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I know this isn't really the thread for this, but the right thread doesn't exist yet. But Andrej Stojokavic just got an offer from Kentucky, and there will be other big programs offering soon. If you're starting a list of college players to watch for next year, make sure to put him on it. He's got a shooting stroke to kill for, and he's had a basketball in his hands since birth.

A little entertainment while we wait for the combine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaeHIp8y9I

[JuneJive]

Peja's boy.

The stroke is smooth.

Could be something there.

[JPB]

I know this isn't really the thread for this, but the right thread doesn't exist yet. But Andrej Stojokavic just got an offer from Kentucky, and there will be other big programs offering soon. If you're starting a list of college players to watch for next year, make sure to put him on it. He's got a shooting stroke to kill for, and he's had a basketball in his hands since birth.

A little entertainment while we wait for the combine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaeHIp8y9I

Do you think he's better than Andrej Stojakovic?

[Kurik]

• Why would we draft another undersized backup PG in Chandler when we saw real growth from our current undersized backup PG this season.. Make it make sense.

• And I don’t like Kendall Brown as a prospect personally. Great athlete and a good defender, but he has a low bball IQ and poor feel for the game. Watched him multiple times this season and his highlights were few and far between. Disappears for really long stretches.

• Leonard Miller won’t be available at 38 if he stays in this draft. I’d put money on that.

Kendall Brown at 25 is great value, definitely a project but would be a good pick. He’s 18.

[BatManu20]

My new favorite 2nd Round draft prospect. We have to draft this guy on hair and ‘stache alone tbh.

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[Big Empty]

My new favorite 2nd Round draft prospect. We have to draft this guy on hair and ‘stache alone tbh.

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[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[tonight...you]

My new favorite 2nd Round draft prospect. We have to draft this guy on hair and ‘stache alone tbh.

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Dwayne Schintzius 2.0

[KingKev]

Dwayne Schintzius 2.0

That’s quite the d!ck duster. Looks like he gets in bar fights so probably not a Spurs culture guy but if he is that might get him from 2nd round to #9?

[R. DeMurre]

https://twitter.com/EvanTownsend_/status/1517629991953084421

Someone believe in this ?


I don't think this would be an early list of potential draft order, but I could see it as an assignment from the top for the entire scouting team, with the idea being that these are players to look at and evaluate more deeply.

[rascal]

I want Sharpe on the Spurs. Will be the best player in this draft.

[tonight...you]

I want Sharpe on the Spurs. Will be the best player in this draft.
Yeah, but you live in LaLa Land most of the time so...
Big grain of salt when it comes to you.

[RC_Drunkford]

One thing for sure: The Spurs overvalue the combine, so whoever kills it there is likely high on their list. We also drafted someone who killed it in the nike hoop summit before

[Degoat]

This draft is hard to gauge tbh like if we were to take Jeremy Sochan with the 9th pick, is he really that much better then Nikola Jovic or Patrick Baldwin Jr could be with the 20th pick? The same goes with a lot of the prospects from the 8-20 range lol like is Jalen Duren worth the difference in pick range from a guy like Ismael Kamagate

[mo7888]

This draft is hard to gauge tbh like if we were to take Jeremy Sochan with the 9th pick, is he really that much better then Nikola Jovic or Patrick Baldwin Jr could be with the 20th pick? The same goes with a lot of the prospects from the 8-20 range lol like is Jalen Duren worth the difference in pick range from a guy like Ismael Kamagate

I've got him behind PBJ and ahead of Jovic on my board...as for Duran I think he's quite a bit higher than kamagate..

[scott]

I want Sharpe on the Spurs. Will be the best player in this draft.

How many times do you think you need to post this for it to become reality? Would you say you are 25% there? 50%?

[rascal]

How many times do you think you need to post this for it to become reality? Would you say you are 25% there? 50%?

It's not likely to be reality. Spurs shy away from athleticism.

[Atl Spur]

I've got him behind PBJ and ahead of Jovic on my board...as for Duran I think he's quite a bit higher than kamagate..

Sochan bbiq is worth #9 from what I saw. Jd Davison 1st round is my sleeper…..

[mo7888]

Sochan bbiq is worth #9 from what I saw. Jd Davison 1st round is my sleeper…..

I just don't see the value in selecting Sochan that high.

[rascal]

The Spurs will get into the top four.

Just not sure which of the top four picks they'll get.

[rascal]

I just don't see the value in selecting Sochan that high.

Agree, not high on Sochan.

Spurs need better offensive players with that pick unless they unload Poeltl in a trade for 13, then the Spurs should take Duren at 9.

[FutureMan]

2019 Bol Bol / Keldon Johnson

Oh yeah! I remember Bol Bol in a crazy suit thinking he was going to be picked in the first round. He even walked out with other players who were in the lottery. Someone should’ve told him or his agent.

[Atl Spur]

I just don't see the value in selecting Sochan that high.

What spot would you feel right taking him?

[BackHome]

I think he will go 12 to 18 range

[T Park]

It's not likely to be reality. Spurs shy away from athleticism.


Lol yeah Lonnie Walker is a real stiff

[Atl Spur]

I think he will go 12 to 18 range

If so, we must take him at 9 unless we can make a trade down to secure more assets….

[MI21]

My new favorite 2nd Round draft prospect. We have to draft this guy on hair and ‘stache alone tbh.

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Funny looking but I can assure you, this guy sucks.

[SAGirl]

I forgot about Robert Williams. If my memory serves me correctly he had major character issues. Even going into his rookie year. What about Keldon Johnson?
I believe Keldon Johnson fell to them at 29. IIRC RC gave an interview where he said, they had him mocked much higher than he went, and that they were unable to work him out because Keldon also expected to go higher and didn’t work out for them. He was one of those guys they were lucky to have fall to them. Someone correct me if my memory is wrong.

[mo7888]

What spot would you feel right taking him?
I've got him tier 4 and #16 overall...so that would put him in the 14th to 17th pick range... I think he can be a good player but his upside isn't high enough for a #9 pick..

Tier 1
1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
Tier 2
5. Keegan Murray
6. Shaedon Sharpe
7. Benedict Mathurin
8. AJ Griffin
Tier 3
9. Jalen Duren
10. Johnny Davis
11. Dyson Daniels
12. Ousmane Dieng
13. Patrick Baldwin Jr
Tier 4
14. Mark Williams
15. Tari Eason
16. Jeremy Sochan
17. EJ Liddell
Tier 5
18. Ochai Agbagi
19. Nikola Jovic
20. Malaki Branham
21. Jaden Hardy
22. Walker Kessler
Tier 6
23. Wendell Moore Jr
24. TyTy Washington Jr
25. Trevor Keels
26. Kenny Chandler
27. Kendall Brown
28. Christian Koloko
29. Blake Wesley
30. MarJon Beauchamp

Edit to add: this was before Miller and a couple other players declared for the draft. I haven't watched enough video on Miller to include him yet. I'm sure there will be changes after the official measurements and interviews too.

[Chomag]

All this talk of these players and Spurs will pick that one player Noone is talking about, come on guys we all know this dance.

[rascal]

Funny looking but I can assure you, this guy sucks.

He'll spend more time on his hair than his game.

[exstatic]

All this talk of these players and Spurs will pick that one player Noone is talking about, come on guys we all know this dance.

Walker wasn't an unknown. Keldon wasn't an unknown. Vassell wasn't an unknown. Even Sammich and White had pre-draft buzz.

Literally the only out of the blue FRP selection in the last 4-5 drafts was Primo.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I believe Keldon Johnson fell to them at 29. IIRC RC gave an interview where he said, they had him mocked much higher than he went, and that they were unable to work him out because Keldon also expected to go higher and didn’t work out for them. He was one of those guys they were lucky to have fall to them. Someone correct me if my memory is wrong.


You're dead on with all of that. I said here on draft night that I would have been happy with Keldon as the Spurs first pick. I was shocked that he made it down to their second FRP, and I'm pretty sure they were too. Lucky is almost an understatement.

He's not a first option kind of player, though. So I guess the question is whether the Spurs could get that same kind of lucky, having a first option or at least strong second option guy fall to them at 9? If not (and I know I'm like a broken record) they almost have to draft for position. And, like Keldon, toughness.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Walker wasn't an unknown. Keldon wasn't an unknown. Vassell wasn't an unknown. Even Sammich and White had pre-draft buzz.

Literally the only out of the blue FRP selection in the last 4-5 drafts was Primo.


White was pretty close, especially at that point in the draft. I still remember all of the articles trying to break down why the Spurs chose him. But the other three were definitely well-covered and on a lot of boards.

[Mr. Body]

If so, we must take him at 9 unless we can make a trade down to secure more assets….

Yeah. If you want a player, getting fancy for a few spots is going to kill you.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I believe Keldon Johnson fell to them at 29. IIRC RC gave an interview where he said, they had him mocked much higher than he went, and that they were unable to work him out because Keldon also expected to go higher and didn’t work out for them. He was one of those guys they were lucky to have fall to them. Someone correct me if my memory is wrong.

You are right on target. If I recall correctly he didn't workout for anyone drafting below 15. He really expected to go in the lottery and he hindsight he should have. There was a rumor at the time that the Suns mistook Cameron Johnson for Keldon Johnson and drafted the wrong guy. There was great surprise that Cameron Johnson went that high.

[exstatic]

You are right on target. If I recall correctly he didn't workout for anyone drafting below 15. He really expected to go in the lottery and he hindsight he should have.

Coach Cal said that 5 teams passed on him because he didn't work out for them. Lucky us, or maybe stupid them.

[SAGirl]

Coach Cal said that 5 teams passed on him because he didn't work out for them. Lucky us, or maybe stupid them.
In hindsight…. I criticized the Sammich pick a ton at the time… but I think he was the guy the Spurs had scouted, worked out, met with and were prepared to pick at the spot. Keldon not working out for them and not having that relationship established probably meant the Spurs went with the devil they knew… So its a little bit of context now that I didn’t understand back then… which is, why take the risk to lose out on Keldon who was the better prospect for Sammich? They almost left that draft with nothing at all if not for that luck. Keldon hurt his stock by not working out for any team a little bit later than he expected he should go.

Maybe the Suns did screw up and drafted the wrong guy, can you imagine? They almost also traded for the wrong Brooks, do you remember that snafu?

[Mr. Body]

I know a lot of people here regret missing out on Brandon Clarke out of Gonzaga, who is playing well for the Grizzlies. I've mentioned him before, but Trayce Jackson-Davis is similar out of Indiana. If he ever develops a jumpshot, he's a complete steal if he lingers in the second round. Even if not, he has the same hustle, around-the-rim game Clarke does. I think a mocks are missing on him right now.

[PhantomDashCam]

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I really do hope the Spurs give him a hard look. Should be at the combine which will be a plus.
Like him a lot more overall than some of the more hyped ‘4’s appearing on draft boards.

[Degoat]

I know a lot of people here regret missing out on Brandon Clarke out of Gonzaga, who is playing well for the Grizzlies. I've mentioned him before, but Trayce Jackson-Davis is similar out of Indiana. If he ever develops a jumpshot, he's a complete steal if he lingers in the second round. Even if not, he has the same hustle, around-the-rim game Clarke does. I think a mocks are missing on him right now.

Im a fan as well! Would be a great get with either our 2nd rounder or even the Bos pick

[PhantomDashCam]

If the Spurs keep their three first rounders, this is my ideal outcome:

Pick #1 - If climb into top 2, take Chet or Banchero. If hold at 9, unlikely drop to 10 - Draft Dyson Daniels.

Any of those three will be able to play on the Spurs from day dot, (with a tailor made opening at the 4 for Chet or Banchero to contribute and Dyson able to fill a CG role after already fulfilling the requisite G-League internship).

Pick #2 - If Daniels is taken in the first round, Justin Lewis. If it’s Chet or Banchero, take Blake Wesley.

Either would spend a significant time in the G-League and would fill holes in the Spurs development pipeline.

Pick #3 - International D&S. Ibou Badji or Ismael Kamegate.

Both big-men have shown promise in their respective leagues yet are unlikely to come over right away.

[rascal]

Chet has the highest bust potential out of the top picks.

[PhantomDashCam]

Chet has the highest bust potential out of the top picks.

Maybe, but if you’re losing your mind over Shaedon Sharpe’s HS footage, go watch Chets…

[rascal]

Maybe, but if you’re losing your mind over Shaedon Sharpe’s HS footage, go watch Chets…

I've watched Chet and I don't like him.

[PhantomDashCam]

I've watched Chet and I don't like him.

OK, fair enough. I understand some of the concerns. I have no problems with you sticking to your guns. :tu

[CGD]

Chet has those Will Purdue shoulders:

https://customcardboard.ecrater.com/p/38510017/will-perdue-2000-01-portland-trail-blazers

[rascal]

Chet struggles to get off the ground. Look at his dunks, his arm are all out stretched to the max, struggling to reach high enough for the dunk, no elevation. His height and long reach makes him a good college shot blocker. Those numbers will not be as good against quicker more explosive NBA players. His game is awkward.


He just won't be as good in the NBA and his skinny frame doesn't look strong enough to hold up for a longer NBA season than what he had in college and not strong enough to play against bigger players under the basket, will get muscled out often.
Cannot blow a top four pick if the Spurs are lucky enough to get it.

[Mr. Body]

Holmgren has a 7'6" wingspan and is certainly not earthbound. He's a good athlete for his size, even laterally. He covers a lot of ground just by his size and wingspan but can also move and recover. He's going to get to a lot of shots both inside and on the perimeter. Even without dunks, he converts at a really high percentage inside. He's right handed but has a great left hand. He has good handles and can start breaks by himself, hit pull-up threes on the break, and finish on the break at what I believe is nearly a historically high rate.

He can play both 4 and 5, depending on sets. Sure, he'll struggle against Embiid and other beefy bigs. He's weak, but he's actually tough -- he fights and doesn't back down from contact. Sure, there are questions about frailty, but I'm not concerned.

What people fail to realize is that he's highly skilled at nearly 20 years of age. This is a kid who would be very talented at 6'8". Instead he's a mobile seven footer. He's a good ball-handler, sees the floor well, has both hands, is a great shooter. Most important, he has a great feel for the game.

There's no doubt in my mind Holmgren is the #1 pick. He isn't the volume 3-pt shooter Jabari Smith is, but does everything else better. Banchero is very good, but IMO has a lower ceiling, and I don't really rate Ivey as a team need and I'm uncertain whether he's a top player anyway.

[JPB]

Chet struggles to get off the ground. Look at his dunks, his arm are all out stretched to the max, struggling to reach high enough for the dunk, no elevation. His height and long reach makes him a good college shot blocker. Those numbers will not be as good against quicker more explosive NBA players. His game is awkward.


He just won't be as good in the NBA and his skinny frame doesn't look strong enough to hold up for a longer NBA season than what he had in college and not strong enough to play against bigger players under the basket, will get muscled out often.
Cannot blow a top four pick if the Spurs are lucky enough to get it.

I stay away if I'm the Spurs. Maybe he'll flourish but concerns are too high and risk too important for a team who really need to have a productive draft this year. Not even mad if he becomes a top player, I just don't blow my pick on him.

[ZeusWillJudge]

In hindsight…. I criticized the Sammich pick a ton at the time… but I think he was the guy the Spurs had scouted, worked out, met with and were prepared to pick at the spot. Keldon not working out for them and not having that relationship established probably meant the Spurs went with the devil they knew… So its a little bit of context now that I didn’t understand back then… which is, why take the risk to lose out on Keldon who was the better prospect for Sammich? They almost left that draft with nothing at all if not for that luck. Keldon hurt his stock by not working out for any team a little bit later than he expected he should go.

Maybe the Suns did screw up and drafted the wrong guy, can you imagine? They almost also traded for the wrong Brooks, do you remember that snafu?


Do you remember what the majority of the negatives about Sammich were? Low motor and motivation. The exact opposite of Keldon.

Keldon had talent that was impossible to miss. But the thing I said before and after the draft was that he is tough. Toughness may be hard to quantify, but you know it when you see it. I never saw it from any of the video of Sammich. At the very best, you have to admit that PATFO was too optimistic that they could motivate him, or that everybody deep down wants to excel. Sort of like Jackie Butler.

[BatManu20]

Agree that Chet will go #1. Balonchero, who played much better in the tournament than he did the regular season and probably has the safest floor of the top-3, will likely go 2. And Jabari will end up going #3. That’s my guess. #4 will be a toss up between Ivey & Sharpe imo.

[Degoat]

I’m thinking 9th pick Johnny Davis and 20th Leonard Miller, make it happen Wright!

[Biggems]

no one replied to my question about Mark Williams. What are your thoughts and do you think he would be a good pick for the Spurs?

[rjv]

Do you remember what the majority of the negatives about Sammich were? Low motor and motivation. The exact opposite of Keldon.

Keldon had talent that was impossible to miss. But the thing I said before and after the draft was that he is tough. Toughness may be hard to quantify, but you know it when you see it. I never saw it from any of the video of Sammich. At the very best, you have to admit that PATFO was too optimistic that they could motivate him, or that everybody deep down wants to excel. Sort of like Jackie Butler.

https://c.tenor.com/yVTjfYkI5rEAAAAC/now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-a-long-time.gif

[Mr. Body]

no one replied to my question about Mark Williams. What are your thoughts and do you think he would be a good pick for the Spurs?

I would be interested in Williams at the twenty pick or even moving up a bit. Watching AJ Griffin shooting reports reminded how many mistakes the guy had to clean up. He's better value to me in that range than Duren in the top ten. But I think Charlotte likely grabs him at 13 or 15.

[wildbill2u]

Re: Chet Holmgren. Most of us understand that any 20 year old is going to pick up muscle and weight as he matures, so the "skinny weak"criticism is a little "weak" , :-) Injuries are also a potential concern on Big Men like Holmgren. Bill Walton comes to mind as a well-coordinated big man who lost some value because of persistent foot injuries.

There have been 7 footers before who were "skinny, weak" players but who had some serviceable years like Shawn Bradley and minor All-Stars like Ralph Sampson. Top 25 Tallest NBA Players Who Ever Played The Game (belloblog.com) (https://belloblog.com/tallest-nba-player/). Interesting list which invites comparison to Holmgren and his potential future.

You have to recognize that most are freaks of nature without the normal range of athleticism. As far as I can tell, the crucial factor in whether they are worth the ballyhoo seems to be how well coordinated they are and how well they move. If they move like the Frankenstein monster, then they can still play, but have limited utility.

I don't know if you chase him with a trade up. More importantly, what team is going to pass on him since his upside is pretty damn high in a lot of skillset areas according to all reports? You can bet he won't drop to our pick unless we get a miracle lottery ball.

[objective]

Somewhat interesting video relevant to the discussion


https://youtu.be/9oWfSmd16sg

[exstatic]

Do you remember what the majority of the negatives about Sammich were? Low motor and motivation. The exact opposite of Keldon.

Keldon had talent that was impossible to miss. But the thing I said before and after the draft was that he is tough. Toughness may be hard to quantify, but you know it when you see it. I never saw it from any of the video of Sammich. At the very best, you have to admit that PATFO was too optimistic that they could motivate him, or that everybody deep down wants to excel. Sort of like Jackie Butler.

The Spurs did exactly what ST is constantly crying for: squint really hard, and draft someone 6'10" with skills. It's also OK to miss at #19.

[TD 21]

Short of jumping into the top 4 (yeah right), if Mathurin is the one they're highest on in the second tier (I'd be fine with Murray or Sharpe too, though the latter isn't happening per timvp), in the highly unlikely event he makes it to 9/10, just trade up instead of settling. Within' reason, I don't even care so much about the cost.

With 4 picks in the top 38, a lack of a defined core and depth of youth already on the roster, it's about quality more than quantity.

[Degoat]

no one replied to my question about Mark Williams. What are your thoughts and do you think he would be a good pick for the Spurs?

I like him, think he’ll be a good rim running big. Just think 9 is to early for him and he won’t make it to our 20 pick