Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[tim_duncan_fan]

Gonna be a millennial and "manifest" that #2 pick for us.

Let's get Jabari, gang.

[rankingtear]

I hope they don't end up with Johnny Davis at 9.

Why? I think he can change his playstyle. He tries on defense and on the boards, already has an in between game and his off ball looks promising. Young sophomore too.

[The Truth #6]

Why? I think he can change his playstyle. He tries on defense and on the boards, already has an in between game and his off ball looks promising. Young sophomore too.

Seems like he has challenges getting to the rim, which is a concern. But I like his attitude.

[mo7888]

Last 5 drafts for the Spurs have been horrible,,,,no reason to think this one will be any different. Spurs fans slobbering all over Murray is the only bright spot theyve had and Murray is a poor mans Russell Westbrook,,,

That's simply incorrect...

[rascal]

Seems like he has challenges getting to the rim, which is a concern. But I like his attitude.

Exactly, They need a penetrator who can get to the rim. Spurs have enough guys who can knock down a perimeter shot. Spurs need to add more athleticism. The Pelicans looked far more athletic at attacking the basket than the Spurs did.

[Dejounte]

It wasn’t athleticism at attacking the basket, they were making cuts with no one to stop them. This isn’t the fault of the center either— the help defense was abysmal. They need defenders who are good at making stops after the first defense fails.

[rascal]

Gonna be a millennial and "manifest" that #2 pick for us.

Let's get Jabari, gang.

I'd rather the spurs land Ivey with the 4th pick. Although Shaedon Sharpe might end up the best player in this draft over the course of time.

[jjspur]

We all have our favorite player who we think the spurs should pick, but ...

The draft combine may change how we look a certain players. Some will rise some will fall but it probably will change a bit from what we think
As the playoffs run their course and some favored team loses early, they may try to make a deal to get into the draft because their priorities have changed after losing
A team with no draft pick may try to get into the draft
A player may choose not to enter the draft to boost his stock for next year
A coach may get fired, so the teams drafting philosophy may change thus selecting a different player
A combine report may show that a player has some kind of injury lowering his stock
A team selects a player out of nowhere (the spurs have done this several times before) bumping a favored player down a bit. Now that's luck !
Trades, Trades, Trades !
Injuries to a key player make a team draft someone they normally would not have drafted.

Again we all make our semi logical lists that we think how the draft should go, but the reality is that there are so so many variables that can change where a player is actually drafted. The season is over for the spurs so its time for them to put all their draft lists and draft info to good use. Hopefully they make a good choice so that we won't be saying "that player is 2 years away from being 2 years away" come draft night.

[rascal]

It wasn’t athleticism at attacking the basket, they were making cuts with no one to stop them. This isn’t the fault of the center either— the help defense was abysmal. They need defenders who are good at making stops after the first defense fails.

The Spurs need more athleticism, a go to explosive scorer who is good enough to break down a defense. Murray should not be the top offensive option.

I don't want to see primarily a defensive addition. Those guys are not top 10 players in the league. The spurs need to add a player with a top 10 all star potential.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs need more athleticism, a go to explosive scorer who is good enough to break down a defense. Murray should not be the top offensive option.

I don't want to see primarily a defensive addition. Those guys are not top 10 players in the league. The spurs need to add a player with a top 10 all star potential.

I didn’t say the Spurs didn’t need the type of player you described. I’m saying the primary reason why the Pels destroyed the Spurs in their matchup

[Ariel]

The Spurs need more athleticism, a go to explosive scorer who is good enough to break down a defense. Murray should not be the top offensive option.

I don't want to see primarily a defensive addition. Those guys are not top 10 players in the league. The spurs need to add a player with a top 10 all star potential.
You speak as if you were to pick a few groceries from the store... If you want a top 10 guy you better pick top 3 or get really lucky... probably both.
In this draft the closest to that are Banchero, Ivey or Jabari Smith (long shot)... not Chet. That would take a top 4 pick, of which we have a 20% chance.
Maybe Shaedon Sharpe if he's as good as some think (I have no idea, but he'll go very high) or Johnny Davis if he extends his range (only realistic option IMO). VERY long shots at that may be Baldwin Jr or Hardy, who have shown flashes but are EXTREMELY inefficient as of yet and, much more likely than not, busts.

[rascal]

You speak as if you were to pick a few groceries from the store... If you want a top 10 guy you better pick top 3 or get really lucky... probably both.
In this draft the closest to that are Banchero, Ivey or Jabari Smith (long shot)... not Chet. That would take a top 4 pick, of which we have a 20% chance.
Maybe Shaedon Sharpe if he's as good as some think (I have no idea, but he'll go very high) or Johnny Davis if he extends his range (only realistic option IMO). VERY long shots at that may be Baldwin Jr or Hardy, who have shown flashes but are EXTREMELY inefficient as of yet and, much more likely than not, busts.

Yes, Spurs would need to get lucky to get into the top four but I like Ivey and Sharpe as you mention. Sharpe has shone the physical skills already to be a Dr. J type of player depending on his attitude and work ethic. Probably has the highest upside of this entire draft class. Ivey and Sharpe are the type of players that the spurs need to add. I would trade anyone on the roster to get Ivey. Murray is not untradeable.

[Thomas82]

Gonna be a millennial and "manifest" that #2 pick for us.

Let's get Jabari, gang.

That would be amazing!!

[Ariel]

Yes, Spurs would need to get lucky to get into the top four but I like Ivey and Sharpe as you mention. Sharpe has shone the physical skills already to be a Dr. J type of player depending on his attitude and work ethic. Probably has the highest upside of this entire draft class. Ivey and Sharpe are the type of players that the spurs need to add. I would trade anyone on the roster to get Ivey. Murray is not untradeable.
I doubt Murray would be enough. But it would also require some team getting into the top 4 that both needs a PG and has a sense of urgency. The only team I can see who meets both criteria might be New York, which has even lower odds than us (around 10%). But I can definitely see them going for it, were them to get lucky enough. Other than that, the rest of the teams either have a PG or they'd rather take a chance at a higher potential guy.

Maybe a more realistic chance would be to offer our own pick + say Keldon Johnson and maybe something for a top 4 pick, and hope someone bites. I would do that for Ivey, Banchero, or Jabari Smith.

[mo7888]

I doubt Murray would be enough. But it would also require some team getting into the top 4 that both needs a PG and has a sense of urgency. The only team I can see who meets both criteria might be New York, which has even lower odds than us (around 10%). But I can definitely see them going for it, were them to get lucky enough. Other than that, the rest of the teams either have a PG or they'd rather take a chance at a higher potential guy.

Maybe a more realistic chance would be to offer our own pick + say Keldon Johnson and maybe something for a top 4 pick, and hope someone bites. I would do that for Ivey, Banchero, or Jabari Smith.

If our pick + KJ + another minor asset gets us in the top 4 we'd have to do that....not sure it does though but I'd be all over it if it materialized..

[rascal]

I doubt Murray would be enough. But it would also require some team getting into the top 4 that both needs a PG and has a sense of urgency. The only team I can see who meets both criteria might be New York, which has even lower odds than us (around 10%). But I can definitely see them going for it, were them to get lucky enough. Other than that, the rest of the teams either have a PG or they'd rather take a chance at a higher potential guy.

Maybe a more realistic chance would be to offer our own pick + say Keldon Johnson and maybe something for a top 4 pick, and hope someone bites. I would do that for Ivey, Banchero, or Jabari Smith.

The Knick fan base would revolt if they traded a top 4 pick for Murray.

[mo7888]

The Knick fan base would revolt if they traded a top 4 pick for Murray.

Since when has Dolan cared about his fanbase?

[duncan2150]

I’m still interested in Justin Lewis from Marquette with one of the later firsts.

He looks like a little like a more mobile, less chiseled Isaiah Stewart; from purely a physical perspective.
Just turned 20 a few days ago. Developing outside game. Decent rebounder and defender.

6’7” with just under 7’2” WS. You can see that length on display in this clip, specifically at the 1:12 mark…


https://youtu.be/y2DwbEk4Mfc

He could eventually evolve into a PJ Washington type 4, small ball 5.

I like Lewis, i discovered him a few weeks before the march madness. Could be a good nba player tough he ended his season really badly.

As for Johnny Davis, i'm not against taking him. I think he'll be better in the NBA than in NCAA where he forced things sometimes and don't have a lot of good teammates. He was really good with Wisconsin imo. He's a guard but if he's the BPA then i'm ok, i think he's a true SG but he can plays some SF.

Reminds be a little bit of Klay Thompson ( defense, pull up, catch and shoot)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIr9_B76mIc
Really nice scouting about him.

[Ariel]

The Knick fan base would revolt if they traded a top 4 pick for Murray.
The Knicks? Doubt they'd revolt. They're all for the quick fix, and Dejounte has been rumored to be of interest to them for a while. They could do a lot worse than a 25 y.o. all star on a cheap contract that meets their most pressing need... in fact, they've done far worse than that... time and again.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading anybody, provided it's a high enough return, thinking long term. If not, sit tight, play our cards right in the draft, and the opportunity will come.

[Ariel]

If our pick + KJ + another minor asset gets us in the top 4 we'd have to do that....not sure it does though but I'd be all over it if it materialized..
Me neither, but you never know... you may just come across a team that doesn't value as highly the prospect you're after, and likes someone a few picks later... and if they can add an up and coming forward in the process, they might go for it. It's far from certain, but might happen. I just hope the FO doesn't fall in love with our guys and keeps their options open. There have been some promising signals in that regard with the Derrick White trade and the Poeltl talks, I just hope they stay on that course.

[mo7888]

Me neither, but you never know... you may just come across a team that doesn't value as highly the prospect you're after, and likes someone a few picks later... and if they can add an up and coming forward in the process, they might go for it. It's far from certain, but might happen. I just hope the FO doesn't fall in love with our guys and keeps their options open. There have been some promising signals in that regard with the Derrick White trade and the Poeltl talks, I just hope they stay on that course.

Agreed... I think (posted in the offseason thread) with Charlotte now having the 13th and 15th picks that there's real potential for a Poeltl trade there. It could go several different ways depending on what we're willing to do with our cap space..

[rascal]

The Knicks? Doubt they'd revolt. They're all for the quick fix, and Dejounte has been rumored to be of interest to them for a while. They could do a lot worse than a 25 y.o. all star on a cheap contract that meets their most pressing need... in fact, they've done far worse than that... time and again.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading anybody, provided it's a high enough return, thinking long term. If not, sit tight, play our cards right in the draft, and the opportunity will come.

I can hear the boos now from the Knick's fans. They want the upside star potential of a top pick and not Murray.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Exactly, They need a penetrator who can get to the rim. Spurs have enough guys who can knock down a perimeter shot. Spurs need to add more athleticism. The Pelicans looked far more athletic at attacking the basket than the Spurs did.


The Spurs ranked 18th in the league for 3P%, and 25th for 3P Attempted. Together, that put them at 26th for total 3P made. LWIV had the third most made 3's on the team (111), but shot an unacceptable .314. McD had the fourth most (107), and does very little other than shoot 3's.

Is Doncic a guy who can attack the rim? He took 13% of his shots from 3' or less this year. Trae Young? He took 16% of his shots from inside 3'. Keldon and DJ both took around 21.5% of their shots from close range. And they both made 65% of those shots - Trae Young made 63% of his.

The Spurs also gave up 9269 points on the season, which ranks 23rd in the league - 7 from the bottom. What the Spurs need are 3-and-D players, and specifically a stretch 4. What they don't need are one-dimensional guys like McBuckets, or more 6'5" guys trying to defend PF's on a regular basis.

[dbestpro]

Knowing the way the Spurs think I would not be surprised if they used the early first round pick on Malacai Branham.

[ZeusWillJudge]

It wasn’t athleticism at attacking the basket, they were making cuts with no one to stop them. This isn’t the fault of the center either— the help defense was abysmal. They need defenders who are good at making stops after the first defense fails.


Absolutey this.

As for getting to the rim - DJ and Keldon are providing enough of that. The numbers show how many shots they are taking from inside 3', and their FG% of those shots. A team can't have everyone diving at the time, or the other teams will just clog the paint.

They need defense, just like you say. But they can't be defenders who don't have a serious outside thread... or the other teams will just clog the paint.

Any way you slice it, they need a legit 6'8"-6'9" PF who can defend and can shoot around .330 or better from outside. That's the Spurs' first and most important need. THEN they can think about another 6'5" guy, IF he can be a legit 3-and-D type of player. (D-and-3, if you like the sound of that better.)

[ZeusWillJudge]

Knowing the way the Spurs think I would not be surprised if they used the early first round pick on Malacai Branham.


Every year I'm on the lookout for overlooked players who can be bargains when the Spurs (normally) pick in the 20's. I was talking about Matisse Thybulle when the few articles were saying that he was undraftable. And Chuma Okeke, long before he started rocketing up the mock draft boards. This year, Branham was one of my potential bargain picks. I like him. But I hate him with the Spurs' #9 pick. I don't disagree, though, that it's the kind of thing the Spurs might do.

If the Spurs were going to reach down and take a 6'5"-ish player with their first pick, I would rather have it be EJ Liddell. He's a better defender, a MUCH better rebounder, and has a 7' wingspan. His 3P% wasn't as high as Branham, but it was more than adequate on higher volume.

But if Branham is available further down, and they pick him, I wouldn't hate it. Now watch the Spurs do exactly what you said and take Branham at 9.

[The Truth #6]

So many ways to look at this. There’s what the team needs and there’s also a certain type of player we should recognize that will do well in the Spurs system with Pop, which to me means: tough, thick skinned, high bbiq. I know that doesn’t address our specific needs, but if we get a player that can’t gel with Pop and/or survive Pop depending on how you look at it, then the other factors don’t matter as much. Luka Sandwich, Lonnie: the potential was great but temperament was horrible fit with Pop in my opinion.

I can’t easily say who would fit with Pop, but Davis and Sochan both seem to make sense. Chet probably also (not that he’s possible). I’m sure some others. Anyway, just spitballing.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DanWeissPBP/status/1515406113822359559

[rascal]

Branham is good for one of the later picks but not at 9.

[duncan2150]

Branham is good for one of the later picks but not at 9.


I like him but yes i don't think the Spurs will consider him at 9. There's way more chances that they go high for sochan or someone else.

[Degoat]

I mean last year we took a guy in Primo who was projected as a late first to early 2nd rounder with our 12 pick so anything’s possible at our 9th pick this year lol

[Gibbz]

A play I've thought of is to take whoever you think is the best available and sign Chris Boucher to start at the 4. He had a bit of a down year after being great a year prior so the price probably wouldn't be atrocious.

[The Truth #6]

I mean last year we took a guy in Primo who was projected as a late first to early 2nd rounder with our 12 pick so anything’s possible at our 9th pick this year lol

Ousman Dieng (sic) could be a possible reach. Just spitballing.

[Ariel]

Apparently the tiebreakers will be next monday (couldn't find an official source, though I looked at NBA communications):

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-draft-2022-five-prospects-warriors-target-no-28

The tiebreaker between the Warriors and Heat will be determined on April 18 in a draw by the NBA.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/04/checking-in-on-nbas-2022-lottery-standings-projected-draft-order.html

These tiebreakers will be conducted by the NBA next Monday (April 18)
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/checking_in_on_nbas_2022_lottery_standings_project ed_draft_order/s1_14822_37391991

These tiebreakers will be conducted next Monday (April 18)

That would determine where the Toronto pick (20/21) and Boston pick (23/24/25) land.

[duncan2150]

Apparently the tiebreakers will be next monday (couldn't find an official source, though I looked at NBA communications):

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-draft-2022-five-prospects-warriors-target-no-28

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/04/checking-in-on-nbas-2022-lottery-standings-projected-draft-order.html

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/checking_in_on_nbas_2022_lottery_standings_project ed_draft_order/s1_14822_37391991


That would determine where the Toronto pick (20/21) and Boston pick (23/24/25) land.


Yes that's monday i posted it a little bit earlier. Will be interesting for the Spurs

[Ariel]

Yes that's monday i posted it a little bit earlier. Will be interesting for the Spurs
You left me thinking, because I didn't read anything about it here, and I scrolled your posts and realized the tweet tag shows as a blank post, had to click reply, copy the code and only then I was able to see what you posted. Sorry.

[mo7888]

Ousman Dieng (sic) could be a possible reach. Just spitballing.

I don't expect him to be that much of a reach after we get through the individual workouts..

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1515458158357102594

[Uriel]

This draft is actually quite simple.

If we break into the top 4, we should draft one of Smith, Banchero, or Holmgren (in that order), depending on who’s available.

If we stay at #9, we should draft Sochan.

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1515458158357102594
I really, really like him... him and Sochan are a lot alike in many ways, in that they're very young, smart, well rounded, defensively oriented, and need to work on their shooting. But if they do, man they're going to be great.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1515458158357102594

I actually like Daniels as a better long term prospect than Josh Giddey. I wouldn’t take any other guard ahead of him with the exception of Jaden Ivey…

[exstatic]

A play I've thought of is to take whoever you think is the best available and sign Chris Boucher to start at the 4. He had a bit of a down year after being great a year prior so the price probably wouldn't be atrocious.

He’s 29, so, no.

[NickiRasgo]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1515458158357102594

Initially didn't like what I saw a little bit of him in Youtube until you posted this one. Looks good! I can see some Brandon Roy type of play - fundamentals.

[objective]

Not caring for Keegan Murray. Looks about 6-6.5 in shoes. He just looks like Keldon with longer arms and a small head.

Granted, Keldon might be developing into a 20ppg scorer, so I don't dispute the talent. Just don't want another undersized guy at the 4

Re: Sochan, I get a lot of slim (or rather, slimmer) Boris Diaw vibes from him. Won't be a big scorer, but will defend and make the smart plays

[mo7888]

This draft is actually quite simple.

If we break into the top 4, we should draft one of Smith, Banchero, or Holmgren (in that order), depending on who’s available.

If we stay at #9, we should draft Sochan.

It's not that simple to me...I don't care for Sochan at 9....at 13 or 14 then maybe but I don't expect him to be much more than a role player without a high upside.

[NickiRasgo]

Re: Sochan, I get a lot of slim (or rather, slimmer) Boris Diaw vibes from him. Won't be a big scorer, but will defend and make the smart plays

Same impression initially.

[Degoat]

I know it’s not how the spurs really handle things but it would be nice to draft a guy that really contributes a lot immediately. Looking at guys from past drafts like Maxey, Halliburton, Duarte, Herro, etc.

[Maddog]

Same impression initially.

Does he have a portable Expresso machine ?

[Dejounte]

That Procida fella looks insanely athletic for a white dude. I’m impressed.

[Dejounte]

Initially didn't like what I saw a little bit of him in Youtube until you posted this one. Looks good! I can see some Brandon Roy type of play - fundamentals.

Brandon Roy is actually an excellent comparison. Thank you for that. They both lean heavily on floaters. If the Spurs stay at 9 this is my 1B guy.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1488193151038889991?s

Yo that reverse dunk at the beginning of this clip is fucking insane

[Dejounte]

The “WTF I can’t believe we won the lottery and I’m fucking HYPED” tier
-Banchero
-Ivey

The “I’m very excited about the Spurs’ future because I think these guys have star potential” tier
-Dyson Daniels
-PBJ
-Gabriele Procido
-Blake Wesley

The “Okay, it makes sense to draft them because of fit and I think they could make an instant impact” tier
-Keegan Murray
-EJ Liddell
-Tari Eason
-Jeremy Sochan

The “Expected and unexciting Spurs-type pick but I’m okay with it” tier
-Matteo Spagnolo
-Johnny Davis
-Bennedict Mathurin

[Mr. Body]

It's not that simple to me...I don't care for Sochan at 9....at 13 or 14 then maybe but I don't expect him to be much more than a role player without a high upside.

If you like Sochan at 13 not taking him at 9 is pretty dumb. At that point take who you want.

[Ariel]

The “WTF I can’t believe we won the lottery and I’m fucking HYPED” tier
-Banchero
-Ivey

The “I’m very excited about the Spurs’ future because I think these guys have star potential” tier
-Dyson Daniels
-PBJ
-Gabriele Procido
-Blake Wesley

The “Okay, it makes sense to draft them because of fit and I think they could make an instant impact” tier
-Keegan Murray
-EJ Liddell
-Tari Eason
-Jeremy Sochan

The “Expected and unexciting Spurs-type pick but I’m okay with it” tier
-Matteo Spagnolo
-Johnny Davis
-Bennedict Mathurin
Agree with Ivey & Banchero, they're my top 2 guys if we pick top 4. Dyson Daniels I totally agree with, I have Eason & Sochan there too, more so for fit but also like their potential. As for Johnny Davis I like him, just not the fit. But wouldn't be disappointed as I believe he has potential, same with Mathurin. They're my guys if we pick at 9-13. For the 20 something picks I'd like Jovic, but I'd be cool with Wesley, PBJ or Liddell. Procida, Kamagate or another draft & stash would be my choice for the Lakers pick.

As for who I WOULDN'T take with each pick... Chet if we pick top 4... too passive on offense, too frail a frame... makes me nervous. If we pick at 9-13, I don't want AJ Griffin (too injury prone, haven't seen that explosive athleticism that was so advertised).., and PLEASE NOT A REACH. If we draft another guard projected to go 20 something I'm going to lose it.
In the 20s, take best talent. Another player who will likely be there and has a lot of talent and a lot of issues is Hardy. Could be a dynamic scorer off the bench, or could be a serial shot chucker. But at 20 something he's worth the risk.

[mo7888]

If you like Sochan at 13 not taking him at 9 is pretty dumb. At that point take who you want.

I would take who I want at 9 and there are other players that would be available then and I would take one of those..

[objective]

I think Mathurin is the player Spurs fans hoped Lonnie Walker would be.

Lonnie without the listless disappearing acts after getting swagger jacked by Pop would be a really good NBA player.

[Gibbz]

He’s 29, so, no.

So what? I'm talking simple moves to make the team better and he's a great defensive rebounding 4 who can occasionally stretch the floor. It's not like I'm talking about a max contract player. Unless they want to go with Sochan I think Boucher is a great fit to improve the team.

[exstatic]

So what? I'm talking simple moves to make the team better and he's a great defensive rebounding 4 who can occasionally stretch the floor. It's not like I'm talking about a max contract player. Unless they want to go with Sochan I think Boucher is a great fit to improve the team.

You do understand that Jalen Smith is 22, 6’10, defends and shoots the long ball, right?

[Ariel]

You do understand that Jalen Smith is 22, 6’10, defends and shoots the long ball, right?
That would be a very good signing because of age, skillset and fit, and the FO has been interested in him too. He'd be my no. 1 target.

[BatManu20]

He Tankathon updated their algorithm yet? Just simmed the lottery like 7 times in a row and the Spurs dropped down 1 or 2 spots every single time :lol

[BatManu20]

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[JPB]

1515545449461026817

Let him first learn how not to travel, tbh.

[rascal]

Sharpe has a nice shooting stroke and he is explosive to the basket and can play above the rim. Wow, only 18 years old.

He's going to be a beast.

He reminds me of Dr. J for those old enough to remember how he played.

[exstatic]

He Tankathon updated their algorithm yet? Just simmed the lottery like 7 times in a row and the Spurs dropped down 1 or 2 spots every single time :lol

It’s not the algorithm, it’s our spot at 9. It’s only a 1 in 5 shot. The good news is that the odds of teams behind us jumping over us and pushing us back are slimmer than our odds of jumping up.

[PhantomDashCam]

You do understand that Jalen Smith is 22, 6’10, defends and shoots the long ball, right?

Every clip I’ve seen of Jalen, be it college or the pros, appears to show him playing the 5. Even when he is paired with Isaiah Jackson situationally in Indy, it’s the fleeter of foot Jackson that slides onto the perimeter to guard opposition 4s.

I’m happy to be wrong on this but can you show some clips of him actively guarding the perimeter as a 4 for a sequence of game film? Or are we dealing with a Zach Collins hype train situation?

[Gibbz]

Every clip I’ve seen of Jalen, be it college or the pros, appears to show him playing the 5. Even when he is paired with Isaiah Jackson situationally in Indy, it’s the fleeter of foot Jackson that slides onto the perimeter to guard opposition 4s.

I’m happy to be wrong on this but can you show some clips of him actively guarding the perimeter as a 4 for a sequence of game film? Or are we dealing with a Zach Collins hype train situation?

I feel like he's gonna get paid way too much this offseason based on 22 games for a horrifically tanking Indiana team. I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong, cause this team is desperate for a real starting 4. For the right price? Sure.

[TD 21]

Daniels is apparently up to 6'8'' in shoes, 200 pounds with a reported 7'0'' wingspan and he hit 45% of his 3's in his last 9 G-League Ignite games (obviously small sample size though). He should eventually be able to guard 1-4.

Barring an unexpected fall from someone in the projected top 8, I suspect there's a strong chance it's either Dieng or Daniels. The former appears higher ceiling/lower floor, so I'd lean slightly towards him for now.

[objective]

Daniels to me looks like a better defending Kevin Huerter. Maybe the shooting is less of a guarantee, but Huerter did have 2 years of college to prove his stroke. Something about how he moves just brought the comparison to mind for me. Could be way off.

I liked Huerter in his draft, so Daniela seems fine by me.

[Degoat]

The G league guys concern me a bit, I wouldn’t mind them but they all have kinda underachieved there, even last years group did imo

[Ariel]

Daniels, Sochan, Eason, will all go between 10 and 15. It would be awesome to turn the 2 20 something picks into one in that range and get two of them.
Something to look at would be Charlotte's picks at 13 & 15... they may be willing to deal one of them + filler in some deal involving Poeltl.
Same with Cleveland, that picks at 14. Josh Richardson's 3 point shooting, defense and veteran presence would be a nice addition for them... maybe even Lonnie Walker.

Barring an unexpected fall from someone in the projected top 8, I suspect there's a strong chance it's either Dieng or Daniels. The former appears higher ceiling/lower floor, so I'd lean slightly towards him for now.
Dieng with the first pick is Primo all over. If they want him, he'll be available at the mid 20s.

[TD 21]

Daniels, Sochan, Eason, will all go between 10 and 15. It would be awesome to turn the 2 20 something picks into one in that range and get two of them.
Something to look at would be Charlotte's picks at 13 & 15... they may be willing to deal one of them + filler in some deal involving Poeltl.
Same with Cleveland, that picks at 14. Josh Richardson's 3 point shooting, defense and veteran presence would be a nice addition for them... maybe even Lonnie Walker.

Dieng with the first pick is Primo all over. If they want him, he'll be available at the mid 20s.

Not you specifically, but in general I don't get the obsession with all these non shooters who are mostly scrawny.

That big and young, at that position, with those projected ball skills, I doubt it. But they could try to package the Raptors and Celtics 1sts to move up into the mid round for him, if available.

[mo7888]

Daniels, Sochan, Eason, will all go between 10 and 15. It would be awesome to turn the 2 20 something picks into one in that range and get two of them.
Something to look at would be Charlotte's picks at 13 & 15... they may be willing to deal one of them + filler in some deal involving Poeltl.
Same with Cleveland, that picks at 14. Josh Richardson's 3 point shooting, defense and veteran presence would be a nice addition for them... maybe even Lonnie Walker.

Dieng with the first pick is Primo all over. If they want him, he'll be available at the mid 20s.

I disagree on Ousmane Dieng... I think he's rising and will have a shot at the top 10... an 18 year old 6' 10" kid with a 7' 1" wingspan with some handles and emerging outside shot and a frame to add weight will be more attractive going forward after workouts...

[Ariel]

Not you specifically, but in general I don't get the obsession with all these non shooters who are mostly scrawny.
None of the players I'm interested in I would qualify as scrawny. They're thin, because they're very long and young, and at that age most young guys who grow rapidly need to gain muscle mass. But they've got the frame to put on the weight, I'm not the slightest bit concerned with Daniels or Sochan in that regard, like I'm with Chet for instance (who I think will always be pushed around and prone to be injured).
The shooting I will concede, but again, I think it's easier to improve your shooting that to make a selfish guy pass, a stupid guy think, or an untalented player gain skills. So given that every guy in that range is lacking something (that's why they're there after all), I'd rather target the guys that have those traits you can't teach and bet on them adding the shooting that's missing. If they become even adequate, they're going to be really good pros.

[Ariel]

I disagree on Ousmane Dieng... I think he's rising and will have a shot at the top 10... an 18 year old 6' 10" kid with a 7' 1" wingspan with some handles and emerging outside shot and a frame to add weight will be more attractive going forward after workouts...
I don't recall seeing any mocks where he is going anywhere near that high. Not that they're infallible, because some are just awful, but there is something to be read there, and I would be shocked if he breaks into the top 20. He would seem like a perfect draft and stash kind of guy, ideal for the 20s pick.

[rascal]

It’s not the algorithm, it’s our spot at 9. It’s only a 1 in 5 shot. The good news is that the odds of teams behind us jumping over us and pushing us back are slimmer than our odds of jumping up.

It's not true that there is more chance the Spurs get a top four pick then another team below them jumping into the top four.

20% for the Spurs to land a top four pick and if you add all the odds of all the teams below the Spurs to get into the top 4 picks it comes out to 37.6%.

[mo7888]

I don't recall seeing any mocks where he is going anywhere near that high. Not that they're infallible, because some are just awful, but there is something to be read there, and I would be shocked if he breaks into the top 20. He would seem like a perfect draft and stash kind of guy, ideal for the 20s pick.

https://nbl.com.au/news/projected-2022-lottery-pick-ousmane-dieng-becomes-nbl-next-star-with-breakers

"Dieng is one of France’s most promising young stars and is ranked at number 11 in ESPN’s 2022 NBA mock draft."

Obviously there's a wide range right now....there's one much higher than you suggest...BR has him at 20....so he's already risen past what you're thinking and things will change more after individual workouts (either up or down but with his skill set I'm betting on the up).

[Ariel]

It's not true that there is more chance the Spurs get a top four pick then another team below them jumping into the top four.

20% for the Spurs to land a top four pick and if you add all the odds of all the teams below the Spurs to get into the top 4 picks it comes out to 37.6%.
This is correct. As per Tankathon:
1-4: 20.2%
9: 50.7%
10: 25.9%
11: 3%
12: 0.1%
So basically it's a coin toss whether we pick at 9 or not, and if we don't, it's 40% we pick top 4 and 60% we pick 10 or lower
However, it should be noted that in 90% of the cases where we fall, it's only 1 spot (from 9 to 10), so it's not that significant, whereas when we climb, we climb big.
So all in all there's much more to win than there is to lose in the lottery.

[Ariel]

https://nbl.com.au/news/projected-2022-lottery-pick-ousmane-dieng-becomes-nbl-next-star-with-breakers

"Dieng is one of France’s most promising young stars and is ranked at number 11 in ESPN’s 2022 NBA mock draft."

Obviously there's a wide range right now....there's one much higher than you suggest...BR has him at 20....so he's already risen past what you're thinking and things will change more after individual workouts (either up or down but with his skill set I'm betting on the up).
That article is almost a year old (june 2021). Guys projected at top 5 last year are second rounders by now. That makes it irrelevant.

[TD 21]

None of the players I'm interested in I would qualify as scrawny. They're thin, because they're very long and young, and at that age most young guys who grow rapidly need to gain muscle mass. But they've got the frame to put on the weight, I'm not the slightest bit concerned with Daniels or Sochan in that regard, like I'm with Chet for instance (who I think will always be pushed around and prone to be injured).
The shooting I will concede, but again, I think it's easier to improve your shooting that to make a selfish guy pass, a stupid guy think, or an untalented player gain skills. So given that every guy in that range is lacking something (that's why they're there after all), I'd rather target the guys that have those traits you can't teach and bet on them adding the shooting that's missing. If they become even adequate, they're going to be really good pros.

Sochan is the exception. The rest, I'm not concerned insofar as whether it'll prevent them from lasting in the league, but for a team that seems to be attempting to prioritize defense, they need some stout/switchable bodies and most of these types are more in the mold of Murray, Poeltl, Vassell.

They also need shooting and most players who can't shoot to begin with don't become good/versatile shooters. They keep picking projected average or worse ones and they've had a team severely lacking in it for years.

[mo7888]

That article is almost a year old (june 2021). Guys projected at top 5 last year are second rounders by now. That makes it irrelevant.

I believe it was updated (hence the 2022 mock draft reference that would have been in the original 2022 article)...either way the Bleacher report has him higher than you suggest..and espn's best available has him at #18 overall...all of those ate higher than they were a month ago...the kids rising and he won't be there at 20...

[Ariel]

I believe it was updated (hence the 2022 mock draft reference that would have been in the original 2022 article)...
I think they mean the projections for the 2022 draft... which could have been made at any time, not necessarily now. And since the date reads june 2021 and it doesn't reflect any current views, that's what would seem reasonable to interpret.

[mo7888]

I think they mean the projections for the 2022 draft... which could have been made at any time, not necessarily now. And since the date reads june 2021 and it doesn't reflect any current views, that's what would seem reasonable to interpret.

Ok, I'll cede that point since you make a reasonable argument there. It doesn't change the fact though that the Bleacher report has him higher than you suggest..and espn's best available has him at #18 overall...and all of those ate higher than they were a month ago...the kids rising and he won't be there at 20... he's trending in the right direction...

[Ariel]

Ok, I'll cede that point since you make a reasonable argument there. It doesn't change the fact though that the Bleacher report has him higher than you suggest..and espn's best available has him at #18 overall...and all of those ate higher than they were a month ago...the kids rising and he won't be there at 20... he's trending in the right direction...
That may be the case. But even so, I would argue it would make much more sense to trade up a few spots from the Toronto pick (20/21), than to pick 10 spots ahead all the way to 9. I'm not that impressed with what I've seen that I'd be that desperate to snatch him that high.

[mo7888]

That may be the case. But even so, I would argue it would make much more sense to trade up a few spots from the Toronto pick (20/21), than to pick 10 spots ahead all the way to 9. I'm not that impressed with what I've seen that I'd be that desperate to snatch him that high.

I'm not suggesting we select him at 9 right now (workouts and real measurables could change that)...

My top 9 are:

1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
5. Keegan Murray
6. Shaedon Sharpe
7. Benedict Mathurin
8. AJ Griffin
9. Jalen Duren

I'd have all those (and a few more higher than Dieng right now)...all of that is subject to change as we get more information...I think Dieng has a real chance to improve his stock and could go top 10....that could be to us if he impresses in his workout/interview or to someone else that pushes one of my preferred guys a little lower and gives us more options.

[rascal]

This is correct. As per Tankathon:
1-4: 20.2%
9: 50.7%
10: 25.9%
11: 3%
12: 0.1%
So basically it's a coin toss whether we pick at 9 or not, and if we don't, it's 40% we pick top 4 and 60% we pick 10 or lower
However, it should be noted that in 90% of the cases where we fall, it's only 1 spot (from 9 to 10), so it's not that significant, whereas when we climb, we climb big.
So all in all there's much more to win than there is to lose in the lottery.

Nice breakdown but I think your numbers are off.

Spurs pick

1-4 is 20.3%
10 will be the % of all the teams below them added up to get into the top 4 and that's 37.6 % chance that one will get into the top 4
11 and 12 and 13 will be small %s and will take two teams below the spurs to fall into the top 4 or three teams to fall into the top 4 for 12 or four teams jump them for the spurs to land 13
so approximately add 37.6% + 20.3% = 57.9% then 100% - 57.9% = 42.1 %(will be a little lower in the cases that two or three or four teams jump the spurs and fall into the top 4) the Spurs pick 9th.

[duncan2150]

Daniels is apparently up to 6'8'' in shoes, 200 pounds with a reported 7'0'' wingspan and he hit 45% of his 3's in his last 9 G-League Ignite games (obviously small sample size though). He should eventually be able to guard 1-4.

Barring an unexpected fall from someone in the projected top 8, I suspect there's a strong chance it's either Dieng or Daniels. The former appears higher ceiling/lower floor, so I'd lean slightly towards him for now.

This guy is growing up every year lol

i just saw that he was 6'4 in 2020 with a 6'7 wingspan, actually he's like you said at 6'7 or 6'8 with shoes, terrific defender and good feel for the game, he will be on spurs radar for sure.

[Ariel]

Nice breakdown but I think your numbers are off.

1-4 is 20.3%
10 will be the % of all the teams below them added up to get into the top 4 and that's 37.6 % chance that one will get into the top 4
11 and 12 and 13 will be small %s and will take two teams below the spurs to fall into the top 4 or three teams to fall into the top 4 for 12 or four teams jump them for the spurs to land 13
so approximately add 37.6% + 20.3% = 57.9% then 100% - 57.9% = 42.1 %(will be a little lower in the cases that two or three or four teams jump the spurs and fall into the top 4) the Spurs pick 9th.
No. There are three mutually exclusive scenarios (events), which make the full range of possibilities (ergo they add up to 100%):
1) E1: You go up. That's in turn comprised of 4 subscenarios, all of which mutually exclusive and add up to the full 1-4 range. So by adding each probability you get 20.2%
2) E2: You stay at 9. That comes directly from the chart, and it's at 50.7%
3) E3: You drop. Since the three scenarios amount to 100% and cannot occur simultaneously, P(E1) + P(E2) + P(E3) = 1 => P(E3) = 1 - P(E1) - P(E2) = 1 - 0.202 - 0.507 = 0.291 = 29.1%
Mathematically, you have to be careful when adding probabilities, because the probability of two events happening is the sum of the probabilities of each event happening only if those events are mutually exclusive. In your case, all teams below us going up are not (no. 10 and no. 11 could both rise), therefore you can't simply add them.

[rascal]

Where do you see the Spurs have 50.7% chance at staying at 9?

[Ariel]

Where do you see the Spurs have 50.7% chance at staying at 9?
https://tankathon.com/pick_odds
https://i.ibb.co/RjbFcHc/lottery.png

[exstatic]

Every clip I’ve seen of Jalen, be it college or the pros, appears to show him playing the 5. Even when he is paired with Isaiah Jackson situationally in Indy, it’s the fleeter of foot Jackson that slides onto the perimeter to guard opposition 4s.

I’m happy to be wrong on this but can you show some clips of him actively guarding the perimeter as a 4 for a sequence of game film? Or are we dealing with a Zach Collins hype train situation?

Could be any number of reasons. Maybe Smith protects the paint better. Maybe they didn’t want Jackson to move from his normal place in their defense, so that two people were learning new spots. Maybe they know they won’t be able to keep him, as the holder of that toxic contract.

[mo7888]

Could be any number of reasons. Maybe Smith protects the paint better. Maybe they didn’t want Jackson to move from his normal place in their defense, so that two people were learning new spots. Maybe they know they won’t be able to keep him, as the holder of that toxic contract.

Or maybe he doesn't move well enough to play the 4 or guard on the perimeter?

I'd still gamble on him if the contract isn't unreasonable though...even as a 5 he has some value..

[exstatic]

Or maybe he doesn't move well enough to play the 4 or guard on the perimeter?

I'd still gamble on him if the contract isn't unreasonable though...even as a 5 he has some value..

TaT listed him as a 4. BBref lists him as a 4, and they actually bake some analysis into it. He’s young, springy, light, and has a7’3” wingspan. I don’t think the concept of perimeter defense is foreign to him, but as a perimeter defender, he would have to know/learn the Indy rotations, which would be more difficult than just sticking him in the paint.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, Dieng is likely hitting top 10. At worst he gets scooped up by OKC or similar like Charlotte with the late lottery picks. Who care what mock drafts say right now. They're mostly fuckheads who have no idea what's going on.

[duncan2150]

TaT listed him as a 4. BBref lists him as a 4, and they actually bake some analysis into it. He’s young, springy, light, and has a7’3” wingspan. I don’t think the concept of perimeter defense is foreign to him, but as a perimeter defender, he would have to know/learn the Indy rotations, which would be more difficult than just sticking him in the paint.

Smith can defend the perimeter but he's not the best at it. We talked a lot about him predraft in 2020, was one prospect spurstalk like. Imo he's a C but he can play some PF like Collins, tough the switching will be a little bit difficult with them.

[duncan2150]

Yeah, Dieng is likely hitting top 10. At worst he gets scooped up by OKC or similar like Charlotte with the late lottery picks. Who care what mock drafts say right now. They're mostly fuckheads who have no idea what's going on.

+1000 on that, people will be surprise as the consensusin mock drafts is rarely what nba teams think. Barnes climbing last year for example while kuminga sliding ( he was a top 5 pick 90% of the year)...

That's why i don't buy Keegan Murray as a lock at 5 or 6. Time will tell.

[rascal]

+1000 on that, people will be surprise as the consensusin mock drafts is rarely what nba teams think. Barnes climbing last year for example while kuminga sliding ( he was a top 5 pick 90% of the year)...

That's why i don't buy Keegan Murray as a lock at 5 or 6. Time will tell.

There can be one or two surprise picks but usually the top rated guys will go high near where they should get drafted on the draft board.

[Ariel]

Well... whatever may be the case, I'm sure with their French connections the Spurs' would be better positioned that just about anybody else to know what this kid's game is worth.

[Mr. Body]

There can be one or two surprise picks but usually the top rated guys will go high near where they should get drafted on the draft board.

What draft board? Rated by who? What does this even mean?

[tonight...you]

Could be any number of reasons. Maybe Smith protects the paint better. Maybe they didn’t want Jackson to move from his normal place in their defense, so that two people were learning new spots. Maybe they know they won’t be able to keep him, as the holder of that toxic contract.
All true. Also maybe Jalen just can't play the 4 effectively.

[BatManu20]

Hottest name in the draft right now. He’s going top-15 for sure. Maybe even top-12.
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[rascal]

If the spurs stay at 9 they are just going to miss Mathurin and Sharpe by one or two picks. There's a drop off after those two guys go off the board. That's why even a one pick difference can give you a much weaker prospect.

[mo7888]

Here's my top 30 as of now (subject to change since it's early still). I've broken it into tiers again...

Tier 1
1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
Tier 2
5. Keegan Murray
6. Shaedon Sharpe
7. Benedict Mathurin
8. AJ Griffin
Tier 3
9. Jalen Duren
10. Johnny Davis
11. Dyson Daniels
12. Ousmane Dieng
13. Patrick Baldwin Jr
Tier 4
14. Mark Williams
15. Tari Eason
16. Jeremy Sochan
17. EJ Liddell
Tier 5
18. Ochai Agbagi
19. Nikola Jovic
20. Malaki Branham
21. Jaden Hardy
22. Walker Kessler
Tier 6
23. Wendell Moore Jr
24. TyTy Washington Jr
25. Trevor Keels
26. Kenny Chandler
27. Kendall Brown
28. Christian Koloko
29. Blake Wesley
30. MarJon Beauchamp

[Degoat]

Here's my top 30 as of now (subject to change since it's early still). I've broken it into tiers again...

Tier 1
1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
Tier 2
5. Keegan Murray
6. Shaedon Sharpe
7. Benedict Mathurin
8. AJ Griffin
Tier 3
9. Jalen Duren
10. Johnny Davis
11. Dyson Daniels
12. Ousmane Dieng
13. Patrick Baldwin Jr
Tier 4
14. Mark Williams
15. Tari Eason
16. Jeremy Sochan
17. EJ Liddell
Tier 5
18. Ochai Agbagi
19. Nikola Jovic
20. Malaki Branham
21. Jaden Hardy
22. Walker Kessler
Tier 6
23. Wendell Moore Jr
24. TyTy Washington Jr
25. Trevor Keels
26. Kenny Chandler
27. Kendall Brown
28. Christian Koloko
29. Blake Wesley
30. MarJon Beauchamp

Solid tiers! I would be happy with anybody from tier 2 or 3.

[exstatic]

Smith can defend the perimeter but he's not the best at it. We talked a lot about him predraft in 2020, was one prospect spurstalk like. Imo he's a C but he can play some PF like Collins, tough the switching will be a little bit difficult with them.

The nice thing about having him at the 4 would be that it will no longer be profitable to lure our center to the perimeter when we have a weak side shot blocker to protect the rim. New Orleans carved us up with that play.

[exstatic]

Here's my top 30 as of now (subject to change since it's early still). I've broken it into tiers again...

Tier 1
1. Paolo Banchero
2. Jabari Smith
3. Chet Holmgren
4. Jaden Ivey
Tier 2
5. Keegan Murray
6. Shaedon Sharpe
7. Benedict Mathurin
8. AJ Griffin
Tier 3
9. Jalen Duren
10. Johnny Davis
11. Dyson Daniels
12. Ousmane Dieng
13. Patrick Baldwin Jr
Tier 4
14. Mark Williams
15. Tari Eason
16. Jeremy Sochan
17. EJ Liddell
Tier 5
18. Ochai Agbagi
19. Nikola Jovic
20. Malaki Branham
21. Jaden Hardy
22. Walker Kessler
Tier 6
23. Wendell Moore Jr
24. TyTy Washington Jr
25. Trevor Keels
26. Kenny Chandler
27. Kendall Brown
28. Christian Koloko
29. Blake Wesley
30. MarJon Beauchamp

I think PBJ will be a riser, too. There will be a few players who redeem bad years or bad situations at the combine.

[mystargtr34]

The nice thing about having him at the 4 would be that it will no longer be profitable to lure our center to the perimeter when we have a weak side shot blocker to protect the rim. New Orleans carved us up with that play.

Another reason I like Sochan as our pick is that he has the size and mobility to arguably guard 3 through 5 and provide some rim protection if Poeltl is defending the perimeter. You could put Sochan on a stretch big or the better offensive player of a 4 or 5 and allow Poeltl to defend the guy who will be closer to the rim so that he can be the rim protector. Right now you can't put Keldon or McDermott on any starting 5's in the league because they'll just get taken to the post or they will be exposed on the boards when the shot goes up.

But again, you draft the best player available regardless of fit IF and only IF you see that player as being head and shoulders above the better fit.

[BacktoBasics]

Another reason I like Sochan as our pick is that he has the size and mobility to arguably guard 3 through 5 and provide some rim protection if Poeltl is defending the perimeter. You could put Sochan on a stretch big or the better offensive player of a 4 or 5 and allow Poeltl to defend the guy who will be closer to the rim so that he can be the rim protector. Right now you can't put Keldon or McDermott on any starting 5's in the league because they'll just get taken to the post or they will be exposed on the boards when the shot goes up.

But again, you draft the best player available regardless of fit IF and only IF you see that player as being head and shoulders above the better fit.

Seems like another Kyle Anderson experiment.

[mystargtr34]

Seems like another Kyle Anderson experiment.

A 38 year old Sochan with 20 seasons under the belt coming off multiple knee surgeries who developed a slow hitch in his jump shot that he now decides to shoot from in front of his face is a good comparison to Kyle Anderson.

[The Truth #6]

Hottest name in the draft right now. He’s going top-15 for sure. Maybe even top-12.
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Some nice analysis here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1V9mcXW4A

I definitely see the Spurs looking into him. Seems to have a good feel for the game, which is important.

[Degoat]

Ousmane Dieng gives me big Nicholas Batum vibes, I honestly think he gets drafted in the top 12 and wouldn’t at all be surprised if he’s the spurs guy.

[BackHome]

One thing people need to understand his offensive has dramatically improved from the beginning of the season but his defense while not terrible is not good. I don’t know if it’s just he is a kid playing against grown ass men or if he just doesn’t like playing defense just something to think about.

[mystargtr34]

I wonder how many spots up the Spurs could move from 20 or 21 if they offer that pick + 23/24/25 and 38 picks. Up from 20 or 21 to 16 or 17?

What if they throw in Richardson to a team like the Cavs or Hornets who need perimeter defense + shooting. Maybe you can get to the Hornets 15, or the Cavs 14th pick. Richardson is a 37% career 3-pt shooter, has just come off a 42% 3FG season this year, above average defender. his 3 point % seems to go up when he's in a reduced role.

Cavs areas for improvement are at the 2-3 position (Allen, Mobley and Garland are their building blocks). Hornets need defense and shooting and a C. They also seem to be in win now mode. They'll likely take Duren or Williams with their 13th pick, they may be open to moving down from the 15th pick for an established player that fills an area of need.

The Spurs would obviously only do this if someone they really like is there at 14-17. That could be Dieng, that could be Branham, that could be Eason or even an Agbaji who would fill a 3-D need at the 3 position. To me there is a drop off after the top 9 picks to the 10-15 range. Then there is another drop off from the 10-15 group of prospects to the 16-25 group imo.

[DPG21920]

I wonder how many spots up the Spurs could move from 20 or 21 if they offer that pick + 23/24/25 and 38 picks. Up from 20 or 21 to 16 or 17?

What if they throw in Richardson to a team like the Cavs or Hornets who need perimeter defense + shooting. Maybe you can get to the Hornets 15, or the Cavs 14th pick. Richardson is a 37% career 3-pt shooter, has just come off a 42% 3FG season this year, above average defender. his 3 point % seems to go up when he's in a reduced role.

Cavs areas for improvement are at the 2-3 position (Allen, Mobley and Garland are their building blocks). Hornets need defense and shooting and a C. They also seem to be in win now mode. They'll likely take Duren or Williams with their 13th pick, they may be open to moving down from the 15th pick for an established player that fills an area of need.

The Spurs would obviously only do this if someone they really like is there at 14-17. That could be Dieng, that could be Branham, that could be Eason or even an Agbaji who would fill a 3-D need at the 3 position. To me there is a drop off after the top 9 picks to the 10-15 range. Then there is another drop off from the 10-15 group of prospects to the 16-25 group imo.

CHA seems to be the best chance. Jakob + pick 23 for pick 13

[Mr. Body]

CHA seems to be the best chance. Jakob + pick 23 for pick 13

Barf.

[rascal]

Not impressed with Dieng. Shys away from going to the basket and not a consistent shooter and just doesn't look very explosive or quick.

I don't see anything special in him and won't upgrade the current roster.

I'd rather have Agbagi. More explosive, more athletic and proven to be tough mentally in a big game.

[rascal]

If the Spurs make a trade to move up they need to target getting into the top 7 to get a player who has big upside and a difference maker.

[rascal]

Ousmane Dieng gives me big Nicholas Batum vibes, I honestly think he gets drafted in the top 12 and wouldn’t at all be surprised if he’s the spurs guy.

Agbagi is better. Compare film on both these guys. Agbagi is better.

[Gibbz]

Agbagi is better. Compare film on both these guys. Agbagi is better.

I like Agbaji but he's three years older than Dieng. I'm not comfortable taking anyone who's 22+ in the top 10 of this draft.

[ragas]

CHA seems to be the best chance. Jakob + pick 23 for pick 13

:lmao

[buttsR4rebounding]

Ousmane Dieng gives me big Nicholas Batum vibes, I honestly think he gets drafted in the top 12 and wouldn’t at all be surprised if he’s the spurs guy.

The teams he had played on over the past 3 years have a combined 6-62 record. That alone gives me some concern.

[PhantomDashCam]

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R. DeMurre couldn’t find your original post on Jake but you were the first post to have mentioned him. Kudos!

[exstatic]

:lmao

CHA passed on him at the deadline, signed ‘TrezzHarrell, dropped into the play in and lost. There probably some regret there.

There’s a market of multiple teams that have shown interest in Jak. CHA, TOR, and probably sneaky interest from GS. He’ll pull a FRP, and I don’t mean a swap.

[exstatic]

Ousmane Dieng gives me big Nicholas Batum vibes, I honestly think he gets drafted in the top 12 and wouldn’t at all be surprised if he’s the spurs guy.

Batum was a Swiss Army knife, but like his FNT teammate Diaw, was considered an underachiever for most of his career. I’d rather swing for another Primo type, maybe Sharpe, than draft a glue guy at 9.

[rascal]

Batum was a Swiss Army knife, but like his FNT teammate Diaw, was considered an underachiever for most of his career. I’d rather swing for another Primo type, maybe Sharpe, than draft a glue guy at 9.

No doubt take the player with the higher upside. Sharpe far more upside than Dieng. But Sharpe is likely to be gone by pick 9.

[rascal]

I like Agbaji but he's three years older than Dieng. I'm not comfortable taking anyone who's 22+ in the top 10 of this draft.

I don't care about three years in difference.

Agbaji is the better athlete, more explosive and quicker and not afraid to come up big in the big games as evidenced by the tourney, more immediate upside, don't like Dieng at all for the 9th pick. I don't see anything in his game that says he'll be a future star
and go to player.

[Ariel]

CHA seems to be the best chance. Jakob + pick 23 for pick 13
I don't know about the specifics, but it's undeniable there are a lot of mutually interesting options that would point to a deal with Charlotte.
Charlotte badly needs a C, defense, and veteran leadership. Has PJ Washington, Kai Jones, 13 + 15 picks
SA badly needs frontcourt athleticism, potential and depth. Has Poeltl, Josh Richardson, Toronto (20/21), Boston (23/24/25) & LA (38) picks.
I'm not suggesting to deal everything for everything, there could be multiple scenarios that would be beneficial for both without compromising too much. What I am saying is that there is too much common ground for a trade not to explore it further.

[exstatic]

I don't know about the specifics, but it's undeniable there are a lot of mutually interesting options that would point to a deal with Charlotte.
Charlotte badly needs a C, defense, and veteran leadership. Has PJ Washington, Kai Jones, 13 + 15 picks
SA badly needs frontcourt athleticism, potential and depth. Has Poeltl, Josh Richardson, Toronto (20/21), Boston (23/24/25) & LA (38) picks.
I'm not suggesting to deal everything for everything, there could be multiple scenarios that would be beneficial for both without compromising too much. What I am saying is that there is too much common ground for a trade not to explore it further.

If they don’t recognize that their bad deadline choice caused their fall to road play in team, and ultimate elimination, that’s on them. There are other suitors, Toronto for one, and probably GS, too.

Jak for #15, PJ, Kai. That’s the deal, the one they rejected at the deadline, and we hold the cards. They can have #38 if their pick becomes #13.

[R. DeMurre]

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R. DeMurre couldn’t find your original post on Jake but you were the first post to have mentioned him. Kudos!


:tu I'll look for the original article that scouted him thoroughly, but I know one thing they emphasized were stocks (steals + blocks), which I think is something that tends to be a strong indicator of success. I was on Stat Muse the other day looking at the NBA leaders in stocks, and something like 22 of the top 25 guys all had positive seasonal +/- numbers... that's a much better ratio than, say, the top 25 rebounders or even the top 25 scorers.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022+who+has+the+most+steals+%2B+blocks+stoc ks+nba

[R. DeMurre]

On a lighter note, LaRavia kinda looks like he could be on that horrible Jersey Shore show, so it took a lot to overlook that and start rooting for him! :lol

One thing to note though: I think tankathon has his age wrong. I wrote to the tankathon guy to let him know. Jake isn't younger than Tari Eason, like that one tweet claims.

EDIT: apparently Tankathon was right, and the other sites were wrong. LaRavia is only 20 even though he's a Junior. Wow, I like him even more now.

[Seventyniner]

:tu I'll look for the original article that scouted him thoroughly, but I know one thing they emphasized were stocks (steals + blocks), which I think is something that tends to be a strong indicator of success. I was on Stat Muse the other day looking at the NBA leaders in stocks, and something like 22 of the top 25 guys all had positive seasonal +/- numbers... that's a much better ratio than, say, the top 25 rebounders or even the top 25 scorers.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022+who+has+the+most+steals+%2B+blocks+stoc ks+nba

I like the idea. If I had a Basketball Reference premium membership I could probably look up something I would find more instructive: some on/off stat (or something like WS/48) for the leaders in BLK% + STL% with some minimum MPG threshold. That would adjust the numbers by pace while not allowing low-MPG outliers.

[Ariel]

If they don’t recognize that their bad deadline choice caused their fall to road play in team, and ultimate elimination, that’s on them. There are other suitors, Toronto for one, and probably GS, too.

Jak for #15, PJ, Kai. That’s the deal, the one they rejected at the deadline, and we hold the cards. They can have #38 if their pick becomes #13.
I'd be willing to throw in the Boston pick if that would do it. Jak + Boston's pìck for #13, PJ, Kai... that would sound fair to me. Or something along those lines.

[SAGirl]

:tu I'll look for the original article that scouted him thoroughly, but I know one thing they emphasized were stocks (steals + blocks), which I think is something that tends to be a strong indicator of success. I was on Stat Muse the other day looking at the NBA leaders in stocks, and something like 22 of the top 25 guys all had positive seasonal +/- numbers... that's a much better ratio than, say, the top 25 rebounders or even the top 25 scorers.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=2022+who+has+the+most+steals+%2B+blocks+stoc ks+nba
That’s interesting. I’ve also seen a scout or two that likes to look at assist/TO ratio as an indicator of basketball IQ I when scouting for offensive potential and star potential. His philosophy is interesting, there’s guys who develop late that you could miss but OTOH you will be able to identify precocious BBIQ early.

[The Truth #6]

I'd be willing to throw in the Boston pick if that would do it. Jak + Boston's pìck for #13, PJ, Kai... that would sound fair to me. Or something along those lines.

I'd love that. Getting a pick at around 9 (hopefully better) and #13. Then you could take a swing at two players with offensive potential. Or even Duren or Mark Williams.

[DPG21920]

:lmao

What’s funny

[exstatic]

I'd be willing to throw in the Boston pick if that would do it. Jak + Boston's pìck for #13, PJ, Kai... that would sound fair to me. Or something along those lines.

F that. That #15 pick is house money. They didn’t have it, but because the Pels made the playoffs, they now had it drop into their laps. That is the price for Jak, with Kai and PJ as salary and secondary assets.

[Ariel]

F that. That #15 pick is house money. They didn’t have it, but because the Pels made the playoffs, they now had it drop into their laps. That is the price for Jak, with Kai and PJ as salary and secondary assets.
Hey, if they go for it, all the better. I would not be complaining. :lol

[rascal]

Maybe the Spurs can make a deal with Charlotte with the 20th pick and jump to 13 or 15.

[Ariel]

Maybe the Spurs can make a deal with Charlotte with the 20th pick and jump to 13 or 15.
Possibly... one scenario is the one I posted above. The other is they're set on picking a center, and they may be willing to deal the other pick. In any case, the Charlotte FO phone would be at the top of my priorities.
Also, Chicago was interested in Poeltl and I believe they are owed a future 1st by Portland... if so, a collapse in this years' playoffs may push them to deal 2 first rounders for Poeltl (or maybe a future first + going up from 25 to 18)

[Ditty]

Sounds like Sharpe is going to stay in school….bummer.

[TD 21]

I don't know about the specifics, but it's undeniable there are a lot of mutually interesting options that would point to a deal with Charlotte.
Charlotte badly needs a C, defense, and veteran leadership. Has PJ Washington, Kai Jones, 13 + 15 picks
SA badly needs frontcourt athleticism, potential and depth. Has Poeltl, Josh Richardson, Toronto (20/21), Boston (23/24/25) & LA (38) picks.
I'm not suggesting to deal everything for everything, there could be multiple scenarios that would be beneficial for both without compromising too much. What I am saying is that there is too much common ground for a trade not to explore it further.


I'd be willing to throw in the Boston pick if that would do it. Jak + Boston's pìck for #13, PJ, Kai... that would sound fair to me. Or something along those lines.

:tu I've been on this for a while. In addition to Richardson, Langford and Plumlee (partial guarantee) are other names that could be involved, though they'd obviously be for salary matching purposes.

If it's Richardson, then no Celtics pick. With the Hornets now having 15 in addition to 13, they might be more amendable to moving a 1st without getting one back.

Obviously, this would be step 1 of 2 for the Spurs. They'd be well positioned to trade up as high as 5 for whoever.



Possibly... one scenario is the one I posted above. The other is they're set on picking a center, and they may be willing to deal the other pick. In any case, the Charlotte FO phone would be at the top of my priorities.
Also, Chicago was interested in Poeltl and I believe they are owed a future 1st by Portland... if so, a collapse in this years' playoffs may push them to deal 2 first rounders for Poeltl (or maybe a future first + going up from 25 to 18)

Trail Blazers '22 1st is lottery protected and therefore won't convey this season. I don't think they can move 18 because their '23 1st is owed to the Magic, so the Trail Blazers 1st and White appear the only expendable assets.

Not really a White fan, but he's basically a less athletic, closer to actualized version of what people want Walker IV to be or think he is.

[rascal]

If the spurs can move the 20th pick for 13 or 15 that would give them a higher tier player. Looks to be a drop off in talent/potential from 13 or 15 to 20.

[R. DeMurre]

That’s interesting. I’ve also seen a scout or two that likes to look at assist/TO ratio as an indicator of basketball IQ I when scouting for offensive potential and star potential. His philosophy is interesting, there’s guys who develop late that you could miss but OTOH you will be able to identify precocious BBIQ early.


Yeah, and it's the same with rim protectors. Blocks per game or per 36 minutes will give you an idea of a certain ability, but block to foul ratio is a much better indicator of defensive IQ. Duncan was always among the leaders in block/foul ratio, even late in his career.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Yeah, and it's the same with rim protectors. Blocks per game or per 36 minutes will give you an idea of a certain ability, but block to foul ratio is a much better indicator of defensive IQ. Duncan was always among the leaders in block/foul ratio, even late in his career.


Daaang, that's a higher order of thinking than I usually read here. And you're right. Guys who get blocks at the expense of playing out of control aren't a net positive over the course of a season.

I actually defended Poeltl - a lot of that was because he got a lot of blocks, and a decent amount of rebounds, compared to the number of fouls he commits. But I missed how few defensive boards he gets, compared to his total. I don't totally hate him now, but I'm pretty lukewarm. You can't look at stats in a vacuum.

[tonight...you]

Daaang, that's a higher order of thinking than I usually read here. And you're right. Guys who get blocks at the expense of playing out of control aren't a net positive over the course of a season.

I actually defended Poeltl - a lot of that was because he got a lot of blocks, and a decent amount of rebounds, compared to the number of fouls he commits. But I missed how few defensive boards he gets, compared to his total. I don't totally hate him now, but I'm pretty lukewarm. You can't look at stats in a vacuum.
Absolutely tradeable. And, with his contract and rawer numbers, should draw something decent if the Spurs are on the smart hunt for a good trade.

[Degoat]

Y’all think 9+20 could move the spurs up to say pick 6 or 7? If someone like Keegan Murray fell.

[tonight...you]

Y’all think 9+20 could move the spurs up to say pick 6 or 7? If someone like Keegan Murray fell.
No chance.

[CGD]

Sounds like Sharpe is going to stay in school….bummer.

Really? That’s silly of him

[NickiRasgo]

Sounds like Sharpe is going to stay in school….bummer.

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[BackHome]

He is playing it smart he is going to go through out all the evaluations and get feedback from NBA teams so he will know if he is going to go in top 12 then he will probably jump into the NBA - If he doesn't like what he hears then he will stay in but I would jump in as your just one injury away from being a millionaire to working a 8-5 job making peanuts

[CGD]

Y’all think 9+20 could move the spurs up to say pick 6 or 7? If someone like Keegan Murray fell.

Nah, seems like Keegan specifically has a lot of hype around him. I see him solidly at 5.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think Calipari wants players back. His thing is reloading with new blue chips every year.

[Atl Spur]

I say keep 9 & 20….. it may turn out to be a pretty nice draft! I like that John Butler JS

[mo7888]

We've talked about what Poeltl would bring in this draft (and a little about DJ) but what about Keldon? What type of pick would he bring? or what package featuring him would bring back?

[exstatic]

Maybe the Spurs can make a deal with Charlotte with the 20th pick and jump to 13 or 15.

F that, too. Bench player Thad got us a 13 position jump. They ain’t getting Poodle for 5-7 spots. The pick. No pick outgoing.

[exstatic]

Possibly... one scenario is the one I posted above. The other is they're set on picking a center, and they may be willing to deal the other pick. In any case, the Charlotte FO phone would be at the top of my priorities.
Also, Chicago was interested in Poeltl and I believe they are owed a future 1st by Portland... if so, a collapse in this years' playoffs may push them to deal 2 first rounders for Poeltl (or maybe a future first + going up from 25 to 18)

Toronto was interested, too. There is definitely a multi team market for a Jak. No need to sell cheap.

[exstatic]

Nah, seems like Keegan specifically has a lot of hype around him. I see him solidly at 5.

No one, outside of the top 4, is solidly anywhere. The lottery hasn’t happened yet. The combine hasn’t happened yet.

[BacktoBasics]

We've talked about what Poeltl would bring in this draft (and a little about DJ) but what about Keldon? What type of pick would he bring? or what package featuring him would bring back?

I don’t understand this Spurstalk nonsense. Let’s draft a guy and build him up. Turn our draft pick into a quality player. Then trade him to roll the dice on another pick.

If you’re going to develop draft picks it would be to load up on productive players and them flip them to level up on a proven player not flip them for another project.

None of these guys are going to help us crack the top 4 picks and probably not even the top 8. There’s just no good argument to move a guy like Keldon for a mid round pick.

[mo7888]

I don’t understand this Spurstalk nonsense. Let’s draft a guy and build him up. Turn our draft pick into a quality player. Then trade him to roll the dice on another pick.

If you’re going to develop draft picks it would be to load up on productive players and them flip them to level up on a proven player not flip them for another project.

None of these guys are going to help us crack the top 4 picks and probably not even the top 8. There’s just no good argument to move a guy like Keldon for a mid round pick.


Got it...you don't understand it....

[BackHome]

Yeah, Keldon is not going to get us much in a straight up trade would like to keep him though he is not a starting PF and would like to see him play SF before his contract is up. But I like that the Spurs finally understand it is better to sale high then to let a player walk for free because you can't afford them or don't want them...

[Ariel]

None of these guys are going to help us crack the top 4 picks and probably not even the top 8. There’s just no good argument to move a guy like Keldon for a mid round pick.
In abstract terms you're right, otherwise you're not a basketball franchise but an asset flipping business OKC style. But I think appraising an asset on pick # is not the right way to look at it, it's more about what role do you think a given player has on your roster going forward, and whether another player makes your team better.
If the FO envisions Keldon as our future SF, PF, or whatever, then yes, by all means extend him and keep him. But otherwise, if the right offer comes along, I don't see why you shouldn't consider it. Say draft night comes and a team picking at 12 offers you the pick, and Duren is available. Do you take the offer or not? Well, regardless of your answer, it shouldn't change if not it's the 17 pick instead. If you have to make a decision in advance, I would do so if the players expected to be available at that spot are better enough to warrant the potential downside and developing required.
So it's a very situational answer, and I wouldn't look at it exclusively on a pick number basis... but I definitely wouldn't rule it out in advance either.

[mo7888]

Yeah, Keldon is not going to get us much in a straight up trade would like to keep him though he is not a starting PF and would like to see him play SF before his contract is up. But I like that the Spurs finally understand it is better to sale high then to let a player walk for free because you can't afford them or don't want them...

I'm not saying what he will bring....I'm asking what people here think he will bring(and expandingit to packages involving KJ)...it fosters discussion and ideas....judging by your responses I'd say you think mid teens...

[buttsR4rebounding]

No one, outside of the top 4, is solidly anywhere. The lottery hasn’t happened yet. The combine hasn’t happened yet.

Exactly. Especially someone who will be one of the oldest players in the draft. Heck, even the top 4 aren’t a lock. Last year it was a top 5, but Kuminga fell to 7th.

[Degoat]

There’s lot of guys I like in this upcoming draft and I know people don’t want another guard but I think Johnny Davis is gonna be really good.

[JPB]

I don’t understand this Spurstalk nonsense. Let’s draft a guy and build him up. Turn our draft pick into a quality player. Then trade him to roll the dice on another pick.

If you’re going to develop draft picks it would be to load up on productive players and them flip them to level up on a proven player not flip them for another project.

None of these guys are going to help us crack the top 4 picks and probably not even the top 8. There’s just no good argument to move a guy like Keldon for a mid round pick.

I'm with you, and that's what I mentioned a couple of times... Some pople always fantasize aout the next pick being then ONE... and necessarily better than what you have. They bet on hope and want to trade Murray, Jak and basically your best players for picks that they'll want to trade in 3 years for picks..

THe same people tend to over-evluate draft players There isn't bunches of "wow" players or guys that reallt impress in that draft... Just read the scouting reviews; no oe agrees and find lacks in any player...

[exstatic]

Exactly. Especially someone who will be one of the oldest players in the draft. Heck, even the top 4 aren’t a lock. Last year it was a top 5, but Kuminga fell to 7th.

That was Torontos doing. Everyone expected them to pick Suggs, since they weren’t bringing Lowry back, but they picked Scotty Barnes, instead. It turned out to be a great pick, but was considered a reach of 2-3 spots.

[DPG21920]

F that, too. Bench player Thad got us a 13 position jump. They ain’t getting Poodle for 5-7 spots. The pick. No pick outgoing.

Huge difference in going from 33 to 21 and going from 25 to lottery…

[exstatic]

Huge difference in going from 33 to 21 and going from 25 to lottery…

The proposal was 20 for 15 or 13. 15 isn’t even in the lottery, and if the gods hate us this year, and we draw the less than 1/10% chance of 13, people will fucking hang themselves here. It’s not a great pick.

They didn’t want to give us a FRP at the deadline, and now 15 has literally dropped into their lap by the Pels making the playoffs. We dont HAVE to trade Poeltl. They give us what they offered at the deadline, PJ and Kai, and throw that windfall #15 pick on top, and they have a deal. Toronto and Chicago are both also interested, so it’s a sellers market. The only wrong thing you can do, since you don’t have to trade him, is to ask too little. By passing on this trade at the deadline, they dropped from the playoffs to the 9/10 play in, and were eliminated. Sometimes a buyer just needs another look.

[DPG21920]

The proposal was 20 for 15 or 13. 15 isn’t even in the lottery, and if the gods hate us this year, and we draw the less than 1/10% chance of 13, people will fucking hang themselves here. It’s not a great pick.

They didn’t want to give us a FRP at the deadline, and now 15 has literally dropped into their lap by the Pels making the playoffs. We dont HAVE to trade Poeltl. They give us what they offered at the deadline, PJ and Kai, and throw that windfall #15 pick on top, and they have a deal. Toronto and Chicago are both also interested, so it’s a sellers market. The only wrong thing you can do, since you don’t have to trade him, is to ask too little. By passing on this trade at the deadline, they dropped from the playoffs to the 9/10 play in, and were eliminated. Sometimes a buyer just needs another look.

Hey I would love to agree. If Jak can get us anywhere near the lottery I am doing it.

[objective]

We've talked about what Poeltl would bring in this draft (and a little about DJ) but what about Keldon? What type of pick would he bring? or what package featuring him would bring back?

Here's a fantasyland big brain idea that doesn't involve trading for picks :

Spurs get into top 3 picks, take one of the bigs to pair with Poeltl, and Pop returns, and they go all in.

Using Dejounte and Pop's connections and the lure of the young big, Spurs entice Zach Lavine to sign ... But to get him the most money and spare some stretches or cap dump trades, the Spurs and bulls agree on a sign and trade of Keldon Johnson, the future bulls pick, and a big trade exception to get Lavine.

Now there's a trade! It's all fake but it's a trade

[Mr. Body]

There’s lot of guys I like in this upcoming draft and I know people don’t want another guard but I think Johnny Davis is gonna be really good.

I think Davis is getting slept on generally, but he's a ball-stopper. It's his style to run a lot of isos that are pretty slow and stick in his hands, and he's not very quick, suggesting he can get shut down by NBA defenders. I can see him struggle in the ball-movement the Spurs run. But he does have scoring ability and is a good defender.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think Davis is getting slept on generally, but he's a ball-stopper. It's his style to run a lot of isos that are pretty slow and stick in his hands, and he's not very quick, suggesting he can get shut down by NBA defenders. I can see him struggle in the ball-movement the Spurs run. But he does have scoring ability and is a good defender.

Generally agree, but it might be a function of playing on a very bad team without enough spacing. He's had to do a lot and take tough contested shots all year long. He's a risk and has a definite bust potential, but of all the players projected around 10 or lower he has one of the the highest upsides imo.

[rascal]

F that, too. Bench player Thad got us a 13 position jump. They ain’t getting Poodle for 5-7 spots. The pick. No pick outgoing.

5 to 7 spots is a big difference of a top prospect or a lower tier prospect. You could get Agbaji, or Williams or maybe Duren at 13 but they won't be there at 20. The players who will be available at 20 are lower level prospects. Poeltl is not the answer for a starting C, too slow afoot and not enough shot blocking prowess. He has no lift. Too weak defensively. The spurs need to be stronger at the 5. Poeltl should be nothing more than a backup.

[rascal]

I'm with you, and that's what I mentioned a couple of times... Some pople always fantasize aout the next pick being then ONE... and necessarily better than what you have. They bet on hope and want to trade Murray, Jak and basically your best players for picks that they'll want to trade in 3 years for picks..

THe same people tend to over-evluate draft players There isn't bunches of "wow" players or guys that reallt impress in that draft... Just read the scouting reviews; no oe agrees and find lacks in any player...

The Spurs don't have any Wow players on the roster. That's why they can't even make the playoffs.

[rascal]

I think Davis is getting slept on generally, but he's a ball-stopper. It's his style to run a lot of isos that are pretty slow and stick in his hands, and he's not very quick, suggesting he can get shut down by NBA defenders. I can see him struggle in the ball-movement the Spurs run. But he does have scoring ability and is a good defender.

Davis not getting slept on and is expected to go in the top 10 picks.

[XDT76]

There’s lot of guys I like in this upcoming draft and I know people don’t want another guard but I think Johnny Davis is gonna be really good.

Only if he shoots 3s in the 40s and he can easily walk to the rim and jam it down together with advance defense. We have enough combo guards who are meh shooter and meh at attacking the rim with meh defense

[BacktoBasics]

Got it...you don't understand it....

So you can’t make a compelling argument to support your stance. Never seen that on this forum before :rolleyes:rolleyes

[Mr. Body]

Davis not getting slept on and is expected to go in the top 10 picks.

Can definitely see him drop as some players get more shine. We'll see.

[rascal]

Can definitely see him drop as some players get more shine. We'll see.

Where do you see him dropping to?

The Spurs will have to take him with the 9th pick. I'd rather see other options than him at 9.

[duncan2150]

Only if he shoots 3s in the 40s and he can easily walk to the rim and jam it down together with advance defense. We have enough combo guards who are meh shooter and meh at attacking the rim with meh defense

he can shoot( the % are low because he was not in a good team imo) and he is a good defender for sure. Attacking the rim could be a concern in the league tough he finished well near the rim with Wisconsin.

[exstatic]

Where do you see him dropping to?

The Spurs will have to take him with the 9th pick. I'd rather see other options than him at 9.

With a draft rich in bigs and big wings, this place would fucking melt if we drafted any guard other than Ivey.

[mo7888]

So you can’t make a compelling argument to support your stance. Never seen that on this forum before :rolleyes:rolleyes

What stance? I didn't take a stance...I simply asked question about what his value was in regard to picks in this draft...

[Ariel]

he can shoot( the % are low because he was not in a good team imo) and he is a good defender for sure. Attacking the rim could be a concern in the league tough he finished well near the rim with Wisconsin.
Yup, he's quite capable a finisher. I really like him.

With a draft rich in bigs and big wings, this place would fucking melt if we drafted any guard other than Ivey.
In principle, I agree. But say a deal comes through with Charlotte along the lines discussed and we also landed the 13th pick, I'd be totally fine using one of the picks on Johnny Davis. If he extends his range a little bit I think he could make a really good pro. Also really like Dyson Daniels. But yes, that's contingent on addressing the frontcourt issue first.

[baseline bum]

With a draft rich in bigs and big wings, this place would fucking melt if we drafted any guard other than Ivey.

Melt anyways

[exstatic]

Melt anyways

Truth

[BacktoBasics]

What stance? I didn't take a stance...I simply asked question about what his value was in regard to picks in this draft...

Putting it in the form of a question doesn't change what you were implying. I assume you're smart enough to know that Keldon isn't bringing a top 10 pick and certainly not a top 3... even if you attach 9 to Keldon you're not getting into the top 4.

What would be the purpose of moving him for a draft pick? You're going to have to roll the dice and invest 3 years into developing a player that is more likely to end up like Lonnie than Keldon.

There's no logic in it.

Now if you moved Keldon for an equally impactful piece that comes with a pick then you've got a debate or if you move him with a one of our picks to level up to a proven player. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[Kevin]

As a 22 year old Keldon average 21 points a game after the all star break last season and would absolutely get the Spurs into the top 4. I still wouldn't do it. Much like trading away Jak it set's back the contending clock.

[rascal]

As a 22 year old Keldon average 21 points a game after the all star break last season and would absolutely get the Spurs into the top 4. I still wouldn't do it. Much like trading away Jak it set's back the contending clock.

I would trade Keldon for a top 4. Banchero, J Ivey , J Smith, Sharpe, Mathurin all have higher potential and will make the Spurs better. The Spurs are no where near contending with the current roster. It should be a three year plan and it's going to take some turnaround in personnel.

[baseline bum]

As a 22 year old Keldon average 21 points a game after the all star break last season and would absolutely get the Spurs into the top 4. I still wouldn't do it. Much like trading away Jak it set's back the contending clock.

No shot in hell the Spurs would get into the top 4 for Keldon. He's a league average player whose ceiling is high-end starter.

[Kevin]

I would trade Keldon for a top 4. Banchero, J Ivey , J Smith, Sharpe, Mathurin all have higher potential and will make the Spurs better. The Spurs are no where near contending with the current roster. It should be a three year plan and it's going to take some turnaround in personnel.

I'd do it for Banchero only. He's high floor and high ceiling.

[Kevin]

No shot in hell the Spurs would get into the top 4 for Keldon. He's a league average player whose ceiling is high-end starter.

He's only 22 and his rookie season was cut short because of Covid. People are too enamored with potential in some of these prospects. Potential versus actual results are two different things as we learned with Lonnie Walker.

[rascal]

He's only 22 and his rookie season was cut short because of Covid. People are too enamored with potential in some of these prospects. Potential versus actual results are two different things as we learned with Lonnie Walker.

As a spur fan you're over rating Keldon.

[Kevin]

As a spur fan you're over rating Keldon.

You need to factor in bust rate with these prospects. No way does everyone reach full potential and some of them might be flat out busts.

[rascal]

You need to factor in bust rate with these prospects. No way does everyone reach full potential and some of them might be flat out busts.

The players I listed don't have high bust potential and have higher ceilings than Keldon.

[Ice009]

The players I listed don't have high bust potential and have higher ceilings than Keldon.

As much as I like Keldon, I'd make a trade to be able to draft those guys you mentioned if that is what it took. Ivey is the guy I want, but all those guys you listed have good potential.

[Degoat]

I think Johnny Davis could be that backcourt mate the spurs always wanted DWhite to be for DJ Tbh

[Atl Spur]

I think Johnny Davis could be that backcourt mate the spurs always wanted DWhite to be for DJ Tbh

I don’t think Dj is your answer at point guard.

[JPB]

Yeah, Keldon isn't bringing you anything worth dealing, not alone anyway.

[exstatic]

Yeah, Keldon isn't bringing you anything worth dealing, not alone anyway.

The only thing that will get you into the top 4 is a high level multi selection All Star.

[mo7888]

Putting it in the form of a question doesn't change what you were implying. I assume you're smart enough to know that Keldon isn't bringing a top 10 pick and certainly not a top 3... even if you attach 9 to Keldon you're not getting into the top 4.

What would be the purpose of moving him for a draft pick? You're going to have to roll the dice and invest 3 years into developing a player that is more likely to end up like Lonnie than Keldon.

There's no logic in it.

Now if you moved Keldon for an equally impactful piece that comes with a pick then you've got a debate or if you move him with a one of our picks to level up to a proven player. Otherwise it makes no sense.

I didn't imply shit.. you can deflect if you want but the fact is you didn't read the post fully or couldn't comprehend it... you're running off at the mouth about a whole lot of things I didn't bring up...and you still haven't answered the initial question... which was...."What kind of pick would Keldon bring if we chose to move him"...

And what's the logic in asking the question? Well, most people like to evaluate all of their options before they make any kind of move....Maybe trading him doesn't make sense... then again maybe it does in certain scenarios....but you can't make an intelligent decision without evaluation first....

[CGD]

Exactly. Especially someone who will be one of the oldest players in the draft. Heck, even the top 4 aren’t a lock. Last year it was a top 5, but Kuminga fell to 7th.

Kuminga was never in the fabled top 5 from last year. It was really a top 4 + Suggs (Cunningham, Green, Mobley, Barnes)

I still think the Keegan hype has firmly put him a top of the next tier behind this year's "top 4," and not for bad reasons. I suppose one of Sharpe, Griffin, or Mathurin can catch him at the combine but there remain a lot of question marks attached to each thus far. I just can't see an offensively challenged Duren climbing that high, even with a solid combine.

[CGD]

As a 22 year old Keldon average 21 points a game after the all star break last season and would absolutely get the Spurs into the top 4. I still wouldn't do it. Much like trading away Jak it set's back the contending clock.

As much as I love him, I would trade Keldon for a Top 4 pick.

[CGD]

I think Johnny Davis could be that backcourt mate the spurs always wanted DWhite to be for DJ Tbh

I dont disagree actually, but my only concern is that their timelines are too different at this point.

[Kevin]

I was supposing the deal being Keldon plus the 9 to move up into the top four. Straight up I’d also move Keldon for a top 4 pick.

[BacktoBasics]

I didn't imply shit.. you can deflect if you want but the fact is you didn't read the post fully or couldn't comprehend it... you're running off at the mouth about a whole lot of things I didn't bring up...and you still haven't answered the initial question... which was...."What kind of pick would Keldon bring if we chose to move him"...

And what's the logic in asking the question? Well, most people like to evaluate all of their options before they make any kind of move....Maybe trading him doesn't make sense... then again maybe it does in certain scenarios....but you can't make an intelligent decision without evaluation first....

Talk about super defensive.

To answer your question he wouldn’t bring a pick of value greater than his worth to the team.

Maybe 14-18. Perhaps with other parts added to the trade he could bring the 12th pick.

The point is that you’re not going to get a pick that would bring the promise of a more impactful player. It’s just not a good idea. If you want to package him up for a more impactful proven commodity I’d entertain that but simply trading him for a pick is foolish. Due diligence or not.

[BacktoBasics]

I was supposing the deal being Keldon plus the 9 to move up into the top four. Straight up I’d also move Keldon for a top 4 pick.

Yeah of course you would. It would be a steal if you put Keldon and 9 together for a top 4 picks. That would be a horrible trade for another teams GM to make.

[objective]

I don't know about a top 4 pick, but I think maybe Keldon to Sacramento for #7 as a framework wouldn't be too ridiculous.

Sacramento is desperate to make the playoffs, Keldon could slide in at the SF spot, he's young enough to have a long future ahead of him but will do 6 help a lot more than pick 7, though he is coming up on getting paid ... Maybe they would have to add 20 or 25, but I could see it.

[rascal]

I don't know about a top 4 pick, but I think maybe Keldon to Sacramento for #7 as a framework wouldn't be too ridiculous.

Sacramento is desperate to make the playoffs, Keldon could slide in at the SF spot, he's young enough to have a long future ahead of him but will do 6 help a lot more than pick 7, though he is coming up on getting paid ... Maybe they would have to add 20 or 25, but I could see it.

There won't be any team who will trade out of the lottery for Keldon. He's over rated by Spurs fans and nothing too special.

[BackHome]

Keldon is a nice player but come on Spurs fans no way is any team going to trade there lottery pick straight up for him - Never ever ever going to happen..........

[Dejounte]

Keldon is outperforming the 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th picks in his own draft class.

When someone says he’s not valued as a trade asset that could net a lottery pick, it implies those picks would 100% turn out better than Keldon. How strange that that’s looking like that’s not even the case for his own draft class.

When you use logic instead of your own perception, things actually make sense.

[Ariel]

Keldon is outperforming the 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th picks in his own draft class.

When someone says he’s not valued as a trade asset that could net a lottery pick, it implies those picks would 100% turn out better than Keldon. How strange that that’s looking like that’s not even the case for his own draft class.

When you use logic instead of your own perception, things actually make sense.
It's true that Keldon Johnson outperformed pretty much everyone in his draft from 6 onwards (1-5 were Zion, Ja, RJ Barrett, DeAndre Hunter and Garland) except Tyler Herro, Jordan Poole and Thybulle... he'd probably the 9th or 10th pick in that class...
But by the same token Herb Jones is outperforming every pick from 9 onwards from last years draft, and I'd even include some top 8 there (Suggs for sure). Would you trade the 9th pick for him? Some might, some might not...
The point is, the draft is also about expectations... everyone believes they know better than everybody else, so while on average you'd be hard pressed to do better, you always think you're the one who would. Some would be right, most wouldn't.

[BackHome]

What team that has a lottery pick do you think would trade for Keldon?

Yeah, people get vested in certain players and believe they might be THAT player that turn there franchise around that hardly happens but it's human nature.

[rascal]

You have to consider trading out of the lottery for Keldon is losing the shot at a top 4 pick. No team will do that.

So your gambling Keldon will be better than all the players in the draft if you land the number one pick.

When does the trade deadline get lifted? Before or after the draft lottery?

[Ariel]

You have to consider trading out of the lottery for Keldon is losing the shot at a top 4 pick. No team will do that.

So your gambling Keldon will be better than all the players in the draft if you land the number one pick.
It depends on what your chances at that are. Personally, I think Keldon Johnson was very good value for a 29th pick, but I would make that trade. I'm just not convinced where he stands concerning his position and his future on the team. If you have a good scouting team, it will pay off. Plus you're putting off the salary increase he's bound to have by a few years. But I understand where some are coming from when they don't like trades that increase uncertainty.

[BacktoBasics]

Keldon is outperforming the 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th picks in his own draft class.

When someone says he’s not valued as a trade asset that could net a lottery pick, it implies those picks would 100% turn out better than Keldon. How strange that that’s looking like that’s not even the case for his own draft class.

When you use logic instead of your own perception, things actually make sense.

…and it makes no sense both ways. No ones trading out of the top 7 for Keldon and we’d be stupid to do it as well.

What would we get at 7 that we can’t get at 9 that would warrant letting Keldon and our 9th go.

[objective]

What team that has a lottery pick do you think would trade for Keldon?

Yeah, people get vested in certain players and believe they might be THAT player that turn there franchise around that hardly happens but it's human nature.

I posted Sacramento, after the lottery of course. If they're at 7 or get moved down, they might see Keldon ready to help their team make the playoffs rather than waiting on a rookie.

No guarantee of course, but I could see it. They took Davion last year at 8, an older 'ready now' player when they had 2 point guards already who might only ever be used as a 3rd guard/6th man. So I could see them wanting to do a deal.

[rascal]

It depends on what your chances at that are. Personally, I think Keldon Johnson was very good value for a 29th pick, but I would make that trade. I'm just not convinced where he stands concerning his position and his future on the team. If you have a good scouting team, it will pay off. Plus you're putting off the salary increase his bound to have by a few years. But I understand where some are coming from when they don't like trades that increase uncertainty.

You have to have the balls to pull the trigger on upside potential trades even with uncertainty.

Most trades you have to give up something of value to get something back in value and with the trade comes uncertainty.

[Ariel]

…and it makes no sense both ways. No ones trading out of the top 7 for Keldon and we’d be stupid to do it as well.

What would we get at 7 that we can’t get at 9 that would warrant letting Keldon and our 9th go.
If you're talking Keldon + 9 for 7, in this draft I wouldn't do it. There's no such drop off from 7 to 9. If we were talking 4 and 6 it'd be a different story.
However I think it was Keldon for 7 (+ fillers) that was being proposed.

[Ariel]

You have to have the balls to pull the trigger on upside potential trades even with uncertainty.

Most trades you have to give up something of value to get something back in value and with the trade comes uncertainty.
Well... balls are overrated. Isiah Thomas wasn't afraid to pull the trigger, and he nuked the Knicks away with a couple of strokes from his pen. Calculated risk is something else. But I agree that you can't improve without some risk taking.

[BacktoBasics]

I posted Sacramento, after the lottery of course. If they're at 7 or get moved down, they might see Keldon ready to help their team make the playoffs rather than waiting on a rookie.

No guarantee of course, but I could see it. They took Davion last year at 8, an older 'ready now' player when they had 2 point guards already who might only ever be used as a 3rd guard/6th man. So I could see them wanting to do a deal.

Looking at the players we expect to see after the top 5 I see no must have player that would warrant moving up 2 spots to justify giving up Keldon. Packaging 9 and Keldon to move up two spots makes no sense for us. The draft flattens out after 5(arguably 4) to about the 11th-12th pick. You just don’t do it.

Now if we’re at 5 and want to move up to the 2nd pick that would be a different debate but 9 to 7 makes no sense.

[rascal]

…and it makes no sense both ways. No ones trading out of the top 7 for Keldon and we’d be stupid to do it as well.

What would we get at 7 that we can’t get at 9 that would warrant letting Keldon and our 9th go.

Mathurin and/or Sharpe maybe will be there at 7 but not be there at 9. There can be a dropout in tier level potential between pick 7 and 9 possibly depending on what the teams 6-8 do. I like the players you can get at 7 more than what is projected to be there at 9. If you hear word that Mathurin and Sharpe are off the board at 7 and 8 just before the 9th pick you pull the trigger on the trade.

[BacktoBasics]

If you're talking Keldon + 9 for 7, in this draft I wouldn't do it. There's no such drop off from 7 to 9. If we were talking 4 and 6 it'd be a different story.
However I think it was Keldon for 7 (+ fillers) that was being proposed.

I agree. Getting to 4 opens up a much stronger debate that you’re getting a significantly impactful player.

[BacktoBasics]

Mathurin and/or Sharpe maybe will be there at 7 but not be there at 9. There can be a dropout in tier level potential between pick 7 and 9 possibly depending on what the teams 6-8 do. I like the players you can get at 7 more than what is projected to be there at 9. If you hear word that Mathurin and Sharpe are off the board at 7 and 8 just before the 9th pick you pull the trigger on the trade.
Only if Duren goes 5th or 6th. An outlier player would have to be selected earlier than projected in the draft for that debate to happen and I still don’t think the players you mentioned are worth parting with the 9th and Keldon. That’s a lot to give up.

[objective]

Looking at the players we expect to see after the top 5 I see no must have player that would warrant moving up 2 spots to justify giving up Keldon. Packaging 9 and Keldon to move up two spots makes no sense for us. The draft flattens out after 5(arguably 4) to about the 11th-12th pick. You just don’t do it.

Now if we’re at 5 and want to move up to the 2nd pick that would be a different idebate but 9 to 7 makes no sense.

I meant keldon for 7 straight up, or maybe Keldon +25 for 7.

Then the Spurs could potentially get my dream duo, Mathurin and Duren. Swag Squared.

Keldon has way outperformed his pick, but I don't want to see the Spurs overpay him. I still think he's a hustle player based on screams and excitement but without hustle stats. No steals, no blocks, no defensive impact. The perfect guy for a dumb team to overpay.

[Ariel]

I meant keldon for 7 straight up, or maybe Keldon +25 for 7.

Then the Spurs could potentially get my dream duo, Mathurin and Duren. Swag Squared.

Keldon has way outperformed his pick, but I don't want to see the Spurs overpay him. I still think he's a hustle player based on screams and excitement but without hustle stats. No steals, no blocks, no defensive impact. The perfect guy for a dumb team to overpay.
I would do that, but I seriously doubt there would be many takers.

[XDT76]

You have to consider trading out of the lottery for Keldon is losing the shot at a top 4 pick. No team will do that.

So your gambling Keldon will be better than all the players in the draft if you land the number one pick.

When does the trade deadline get lifted? Before or after the draft lottery?


No one in lottery will do a trade before draft day or at least before the lottery day.

[rascal]

No one in lottery will do a trade before draft day or at least before the lottery day.

No doubt, the gm will get run out of town on the chance that the team gets the top pick.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Keldon is outperforming the 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th picks in his own draft class.

When someone says he’s not valued as a trade asset that could net a lottery pick, it implies those picks would 100% turn out better than Keldon. How strange that that’s looking like that’s not even the case for his own draft class.

When you use logic instead of your own perception, things actually make sense.


When you guys keep saying "lottery pick", it's kind of important whether you mean anything 14 or better, or if you mean one of the Top 4. People are greedy about those Top 4 (or so) picks. They rarely want to give up the chance at a superstar for less than a star plus some sweetener. But you wouldn't have to get too far down the draft board before people would give up their pick for a known quantity like Keldon became this season.

Those 4 guys at the top are pretty widely viewed as players who COULD turn out better than Keldon, though. That's a hard thing to give up on after spending a whole season tanking.

[jjspur]

I truly believe that there are 2 camps within the spurs organization that make the final decision on draft picks. One camp likes to select players with " down the road potential" while the other camp tends to select the best player available. Primo was a bit of a reach while Wiescamp was probably the best player available. The same thing was done with Luka and Keldon. Devin Vassel and Trey Jones seemed to be the best player available types. ( I know Haliburton was still available)

With multiple picks in this years draft, lets see how the spurs pick, best available or reach. It seems they do one or the other or sometimes both. I'm hoping they don't reach though. We have enough young players who don't get enough minutes and I doubt a rookie will replace a vet who plays 20 - 30 minutes a night unless they are a top 4 pick and even then their minutes are still limited by Pop. Unfortunately this not the best draft.

[T Park]

There won't be any team who will trade out of the lottery for Keldon. He's over rated by Spurs fans and nothing too special.

Lol

[SAGirl]

I meant keldon for 7 straight up, or maybe Keldon +25 for 7.

Then the Spurs could potentially get my dream duo, Mathurin and Duren. Swag Squared.

Keldon has way outperformed his pick, but I don't want to see the Spurs overpay him. I still think he's a hustle player based on screams and excitement but without hustle stats. No steals, no blocks, no defensive impact. The perfect guy for a dumb team to overpay.
That description of Keldon reminded me of Pop in the huddle during the play in game telling guys that if they wanted to show off how much they wanted it, to do it going for a rebound or a loose ball. I forget exactly the words he used, I am paraphrasing, but it goes exactly to what you say in the last paragraph there. Show me more hustle and less screaming basically.


Since you so often go against the grain of what the FO has done for years, it just kind of cemented that opposite world of what you are saying is what will happen. The big extension for Keldon is coming this summer, book it. All things told, he’s earned the big payday and he’s an asset that like White, one hopes continues to develop and can trade in the future if he stagnates or is not what the team needs long term. Right now he provides scoring and shooting that they need, and if they let Lonnie go, Keldon is for sure getting extended. It might even merit a thread of his own now that I think about it.

[SAGirl]

No one in lottery will do a trade before draft day or at least before the lottery day.
Grizzlies last season traded Valanciunas and 17 for Adams and 10 a few days before the draft and continued to tray to climb higher but were unable to.

edit: I realized after typing that maybe you meant before the lottery day, not draft day, which is how I read it initially.

It’s late but one thing is lottery day, which I don’t think any team will trade a pick before they know where it falls for sure (after the lottery) and then draft day. While trades before draft day are unlikely they aren’t impossible or so rare as to never happen and that was my point citing the Valanciunas trade. . :toast

[scott]

Lottery day is during the playoffs, so I don’t think trades are even allowed

[Degoat]

Reaching for upside, falling hard lol
9th pick- Jalen Duren
20th- Nikola Jovic
25- Jaden hardy

Randomly thought about this scenario this morning lol totally unlikely but if the spurs wanted to swing for the fenses this could make sense. All 3 guys at one point were considered top Prospects in this draft and for various reasons have fallen off some.

[BatManu20]

Kofi Cockburn just declared for the Draft this morning. One of my favorite players in college basketball last season. Dude is a beast. He was a First Team All-American this season. He’s 21 so a little older than you’d like, but he’s a monster inside at 7’0 290 lbs with athleticism. Old-school Center who plays with his back to the basket. Very physical inside which I love. Doesn’t get pushed around (look at him). He’s going in the First around for sure.

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[BatManu20]

Forgot to add that Kofi reportedly has a 7’4 wingspan to go with his freakish 7’0 290 lb body. Dude’s a monster.

[exstatic]

Kofi Cockburn just declared for the Draft this morning. One of my favorite players in college basketball last season. Dude is a beast. He was a First Team All-American this season. He’s 21 so a little older than you’d like, but he’s a monster inside at 7’0 290 lbs with athleticism. Old-school Center who plays with his back to the basket. Very physical inside which I love. Doesn’t get pushed around (look at him). He’s going in the First around for sure.

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Have you paid attention to anything since 2015? They’ll drag him out to the perimeter with picks and switches and roast him alive.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Kofi Cockburn just declared for the Draft this morning. One of my favorite players in college basketball last season. Dude is a beast. He was a First Team All-American this season. He’s 21 so a little older than you’d like, but he’s a monster inside at 7’0 290 lbs with athleticism. Old-school Center who plays with his back to the basket. Very physical inside which I love. Doesn’t get pushed around (look at him). He’s going in the First around for sure.


Cockburn isn't like all the other boys. He's a lion and not a gazelle. He plays at, what?, 280, and he's a lot more muscle than he was as a freshman. I'm still skeptical of a true "old school" big man in the New NBA, and I think you would have to structure a team to be able to capitalize on that. But if you are going to put an old school big man on the floor, he has to be able to intimidate the middle. He's got the potential to do exactly that, even at the next level.

I like him more than several of the old school big men that are currently ranked in the first round. I think you're right, and he'll climb between now and the draft.



Have you paid attention to anything since 2015? They’ll drag him out to the perimeter with picks and switches and roast him alive.

And there's the problem. Old school bigs are situational. It's not bad to have one on the roster, but not as a steady diet on the floor. But Cockburn is likely going to leave a dent in a lot of the teams that don't have well-rounded New NBA rosters.

[BatManu20]

Have you paid attention to anything since 2015? They’ll drag him out to the perimeter with picks and switches and roast him alive.

Me posting about a consensus First Team All-American declaring for the draft means I don’t watch basketball :lol. Got it.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Me posting about a consensus First Team All-American declaring for the draft means I don’t watch basketball :lol. Got it.

No. Anything that goes against exstatic's all-in narrative on drafting Duren does. I'm curious E, is there anyone else that you think would be a good pick at 9 even if Duren is still available?

[the golden era]

Cockburn isn't like all the other boys. He's a lion and not a gazelle. He plays at, what?, 280, and he's a lot more muscle than he was as a freshman. I'm still skeptical of a true "old school" big man in the New NBA, and I think you would have to structure a team to be able to capitalize on that. But if you are going to put an old school big man on the floor, he has to be able to intimidate the middle. He's got the potential to do exactly that, even at the next level.

I like him more than several of the old school big men that are currently ranked in the first round. I think you're right, and he'll climb between now and the draft.




And there's the problem. Old school bigs are situational. It's not bad to have one on the roster, but not as a steady diet on the floor. But Cockburn is likely going to leave a dent in a lot of the teams that don't have well-rounded New NBA rosters.

He presents a very interesting case in valuing his offensive impact on the game. If you can pair him with a mobile defensive minded 4 that could cover for his perimeter limitations, or create a defense were all perimeter players go over so he can drop on screens, he could be a really intriguing talent that could abuse the modern game on offense. Prolly worth a flyer at 25

[objective]

I've seen many more big boards and mocks that had Kofi undrafted or outside the top 60 than I have in the first round.

[the golden era]

I've seen many more big boards and mocks that had Kofi undrafted or outside the top 60 than I have in the first round.
Then you take him at 38.

[K...]

Kentucky freshman Shaedon Sharpe will declare for the 2022 NBA Draft, and stay in, team sources tell me and @KyleTucker_ATH. NBA teams project Sharpe as a potential high draft lottery pick.

[The Truth #6]

That's a good thing. Not because he'll be around at 9, but it will help keep other good players still on the board when we draft.

[rascal]

That's a good thing. Not because he'll be around at 9, but it will help keep other good players still on the board when we draft.

I want Sharpe at 9. He's going to be great but will go between 5-8.

[Ariel]

I want Sharpe at 9. He's going to be great but will go between 5-8.
Apparently his eligibility is in question because it's not clear he graduated HS in time, so it's not guaranteed he'll participate in the 2022 draft.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

What a surprise re Sharpe :lol

Everyone who even had a passing thought Sharpe would sacrifice a $30 mil contract in order to return to school and risk everything is crazy.

[Degoat]

Would love sharpe but I bet he’s goes top 6 tbh at least that keeps a player from jumping up in the case that he went back to school tho

[BatManu20]

Sharpe goes top-7 after workouts. He’s a talented kid.

[Ariel]

Apparently his eligibility is in question because it's not clear he graduated HS in time, so it's not guaranteed he'll participate in the 2022 draft.
This is what I based my post above:
https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/kentucky-wildcats-basketball-shaedon-sharpe-enrolling-early-2022-nba-draft-174983303/

"No. 1 prospect in 2022 Shaedon Sharpe announces he's enrolling at Kentucky in January. He will not be eligible for the 2022 NBA Draft since he did not graduate high school prior to the NBA season starting," Givony wrote.

"The difference between Sharpe and Hamidou Diallo is Diallo graduated high school prior to the NBA season and thus had the option to declare for the NBA Draft after leaving his post-graduate institution (Putnam Science) and enrolling at Kentucky at semester break.

"The NBA CBA specifies pretty clearly that to be NBA Draft-eligible both: The player (A) is or will be at least 19 years of age during the calendar year in which the Draft is held, AND (B)...at least one (1) NBA Season has elapsed since the player’s graduation from high school. This rule pertains to players who have been based in the US in the 3 years prior to their first NBA Draft year. Sharpe went to high school in Kansas and Arizona, and thus is not an international player (for whom HS graduation timing is irrelevant) according to NBA draft rules."
But just now the same journalist (Jonathan Givony from ESPN) recanted his former statement:
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1517142571700482055

A representative of Shaedon Sharpe's high school, Dream City Christian, confirmed to ESPN he graduated in May of 2021. His diploma will be sent to the NBA league office, clearing the way for him to be added to the NBA Draft early-entry list.
Something smells fishy... but in any case, it seems he will be entering the 2022 draft after all.