Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[Degoat]

If Charlotte would not deal their 13 or 15 pick:
Duren 9
Jalen Williams 20
Butler 25
Procida 38

I’d be game for that tbh Duren and Butler have big upside and I think Jwill could contribute immediately in a DWhite/Lonnie role

[BatManu20]

I still feel confident Spurs will not be selecting Duren, and that if they did decide to draft a C at 9, it would be Mark Williams.

[Degoat]

Darkhorse for the 9th pick I think is Malaki Branham, he seems to have a lot of spurs qualities.

just at the top of my head, the 3 most spursy guys in that range are Dyson Daniels, Malaki Branham, and Mark Williams tbh

[BackHome]

If Charlotte would not deal their 13 or 15 pick:
Duren 9
Jalen Williams 20
Butler 25
Procida 38

I could definitely live with that draft. :flag:

[Degoat]

Just curious don’t think it’s been mentioned any, saw Kevin O’Connors new article from the ringer and it’s pure speculation but he mentions the spurs as a potential trade partner with the kings for the #4 pick. What would y’all trade for #4? Keldon + 9, that would be a hard pill to swallow but DJ and Ivey together could be scary. Idk super unlikely But interesting to think about even if It’s not Ivey and one of the top 3 bigs fall.

[Thomas82]

I still feel confident Spurs will not be selecting Duren, and that if they did decide to draft a C at 9, it would be Mark Williams.

Mark Williams at 9 would definitely be a reach.

[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

I'd draft Alondes just for his passing.

[John B]

1532390011525648388

Those are Manu-esque passing :wow

[John B]

1532390011525648388

Those are Manu-esque passing :wow

[Uriel]

Thinking about a frontcourt that could be anchored by the defense of Poeltl and Sochan. Damn. That has the potential to be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the NBA.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1534339497843884032

[JPB]

Just curious don’t think it’s been mentioned any, saw Kevin O’Connors new article from the ringer and it’s pure speculation but he mentions the spurs as a potential trade partner with the kings for the #4 pick. What would y’all trade for #4? Keldon + 9, that would be a hard pill to swallow but DJ and Ivey together could be scary. Idk super unlikely But interesting to think about even if It’s not Ivey and one of the top 3 bigs fall.

I honestly can't see how Keldon + #9 could get you #4. Kings would kindly decline. Not even sure they'd bite for Murray and 9.

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't trade Murray straight up for the #4 pick.

[CGD]

Just curious don’t think it’s been mentioned any, saw Kevin O’Connors new article from the ringer and it’s pure speculation but he mentions the spurs as a potential trade partner with the kings for the #4 pick. What would y’all trade for #4? Keldon + 9, that would be a hard pill to swallow but DJ and Ivey together could be scary. Idk super unlikely But interesting to think about even if It’s not Ivey and one of the top 3 bigs fall.

I enjoy reading his stuff. Not sure what the path to 4 is though. Keldon?

The bigger threat to get 4 is OKC. They can just overwhelm SAC with future pick offers that would be too good to pass up.

[CGD]

I honestly can't see how Keldon + #9 could get you #4. Kings would kindly decline. Not even sure they'd bite for Murray and 9.

I don’t know. Kings would be happy to move back bc Ivy is the no idea brainer choice at 4 and they feel (erroneously) they’re set there.

[td4mvp2k]

ivey is a level higher then the rest of the scoring wings but there are enough day 1 wings who will be there at 9 where it shouldnt be necessary to trade up and lose talent.

[Degoat]

I enjoy reading his stuff. Not sure what the path to 4 is though. Keldon?

Same, really enjoy their podcasts too! Idk it’s pretty unlikely but trading 4 to 9 is only 5 spots, they get a rising star in Keldon that could help them win immediately. They could potentially draft a Daniels, Duren, Mathurin, or even Sochan at 9 that might be better for them in the long run. Buttttt, they probably can find better deals too then what the spurs would offer.

[objective]

Just curious don’t think it’s been mentioned any, saw Kevin O’Connors new article from the ringer and it’s pure speculation but he mentions the spurs as a potential trade partner with the kings for the #4 pick. What would y’all trade for #4? Keldon + 9, that would be a hard pill to swallow but DJ and Ivey together could be scary. Idk super unlikely But interesting to think about even if It’s not Ivey and one of the top 3 bigs fall.

I'd do it if Banchero slips to 4.

If anyone is questioning why Sacramento would do it:

1. They're perpetually stupid

2. The GM Monte McNair only has one year left on his contract if I remember right. The pressure is on to make the playoffs and break the streak. Keldon Johnson scored 21 a game after the all star break (17 on the season) and it's should be doable to sell someone on Keldon being the best #3 scorer and shooter next to Sabonis and Fox. Barnes at the 4, draft #9 to take Johnny Davis or Mathurin or Griffin or Daniels for the backcourt, keep Mitchell as the third guard ...

I think with the push to make the playoffs and the probable poor fit of Banchero with Sabonis, I could see it.

[Dejounte]

Alondes Williams had 40% of his shot attempts close to basket and made a whopping 60% of them. Those are big men type numbers but for a guard? Insane.

[Ariel]

I wouldn't trade Murray straight up for the #4 pick.
Honestly, I think I would if it's Banchero who's there. His upside at his position is harder to find than a competent Dejounte replacement. I'd try other scenarios first (like moving up from 9 + KJ), but if that's the only way, I think I'd still do it. Not that I think Banchero would fall to no. 4, or the Kings or the FO would do that.

[Mr. Body]

Honestly, I think I would if it's Banchero who's there. His upside at his position is harder to find than a competent Dejounte replacement. I'd try other scenarios first (like moving up from 9 + KJ), but if that's the only way, I think I'd still do it. Not that I think Banchero would fall to no. 4, or the Kings or the FO would do that.

I think people are going to be pretty disappointed in Banchero.

[mo7888]

Just curious don’t think it’s been mentioned any, saw Kevin O’Connors new article from the ringer and it’s pure speculation but he mentions the spurs as a potential trade partner with the kings for the #4 pick. What would y’all trade for #4? Keldon + 9, that would be a hard pill to swallow but DJ and Ivey together could be scary. Idk super unlikely But interesting to think about even if It’s not Ivey and one of the top 3 bigs fall.

I'd definitely trade KJ + #9 for #4

I'd also be willing to trade DJ straight up for #4 if Ivey goes in the first 3 picks.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4wp6iXcnSQ

Dalen Terry + Jeremy Sochan would be a crazy long double boost to our defense. But I think Terry goes before #20.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1534522421004337154

Son of former Spur Samaki Walker

[Ariel]

I think chances Jalen Terry is available at 20 are pretty good, and he wouldn't be a bad pickup. But I have Eason, Jalen Williams and Blake Wesley -at least- higher than him.

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1534522421004337154
Jabari Walker's profile makes sense and he's likely to be available at 38, but he wouldn't be my first choice. But an acceptable fall back if no one slips (I expect someone to, hopefully Kamagate, Procida or Minott).

[duncan2150]

I wouldn't trade Murray straight up for the #4 pick.

+ 1000 and even KJ +9 . I largely prefer to stand pat.

[Excessive Egotist]

I'd definitely trade KJ + #9 for #4

I'd also be willing to trade DJ straight up for #4 if Ivey goes in the first 3 picks.


Sacramento and Portland are both trying to win now. I'd bet each team would find Keldon Johnson plus two future FRPs more attractive than Johnson + 9. Something like Johnson plus our '25 and '27 top 4 protected. Neither Sacramento nor Portland would use those picks. They'd package the picks in a trade to upgrade around Dame. Portland, in particular, is light on draft assets. They need to reload. This probably results in a second tier or third tier player like Jerami Grant, but if someone like Kyrie is put on the trade market, Portland will need 3-4 FRPs to put into a package. These sort of trade opportunities will largely pop up in the weeks following the draft because teams will have to trade a bird rights or restricted FA to make the trade math work. Pick number 9 holds limited value to Blazers and Kings and doesn't help either team win now.

This makes moving up more expensive for San Antonio, but it's also beneficial insofar as they are in re-tool now mode. If they added pick 4 and retained 9, their rebuild should accelerate.

Adding Ivey at 4 and Sochan at 9 (fill in the names of whomever you prefer) looks a lot more attractive to me than a FRP in 2025 because it is better aligned with Murray's best years.

[mo7888]

Sacramento and Portland are both trying to win now. I'd bet each team would find Keldon Johnson plus two future FRPs more attractive than Johnson + 9. Something like Johnson plus our '25 and '27 top 4 protected. Neither Sacramento nor Portland would use those picks. They'd package the picks in a trade to upgrade around Dame. Portland, in particular, is light on draft assets. They need to reload. This probably results in a second tier or third tier player like Jerami Grant, but if someone like Kyrie is put on the trade market, Portland will need 3-4 FRPs to put into a package. These sort of trade opportunities will largely pop up in the weeks following the draft because teams will have to trade a bird rights or restricted FA to make the trade math work. Pick number 9 holds limited value to Blazers and Kings and doesn't help either team win now.

This makes moving up more expensive for San Antonio, but it's also beneficial insofar as they are in re-tool now mode. If they added pick 4 and retained 9, they're rebuild should accelerate.

Adding Ivey at 4 and Sochan at 9 (fill in the names of whomever you prefer) looks a lot more attractive to me than a FRP in 2025 because it is better aligned with Murray's best years.

I wouldn't be interested in the Portland trade. I think that's way to much to move up 2 spots. As for 2 future 1sts + KJ to move up to 4...I'd have to think more on that but at first blush I think thays to rich for me as well...I think I'd rather stand pat.

[Excessive Egotist]

I wouldn't be interested in the Portland trade. I think that's way to much to move up 2 spots. As for 2 future 1sts + KJ to move up to 4...I'd have to think more on that but at first blush I think thays to rich for me as well...I think I'd rather stand pat.


I think of it less as moving up two spots as adding another lottery pick this year and punting on future picks you hope are in the late teens or 20s.

[mo7888]

I think of it less as moving up two spots as adding another lottery pick this year and punting on future picks you hope are in the late teens or 20s.

I guess it comes down to how confident one is about those future picks being in the 20's in a couple years. .

[Excessive Egotist]

I guess it comes down to how confident one is about those future picks being in the 20's in a couple years. .


Absolutely. The Spurs would have to make at least one All Star of Vassell, Primo, pick 4 and pick 9 for those picks to be in the 20s. But if this isn't a bet they're willing to make, that's really an argument against keeping Dejounte Murray. Right now, he might fetch 3 FRPs and a young player. if you really don't think Vassell, Primo, two 2022 lottery picks, and Murray are good enough to become a playoff team in 2024-2027, then you have to convert Murray and get serious about a rebuild.

[John B]

Just curious don’t think it’s been mentioned any, saw Kevin O’Connors new article from the ringer and it’s pure speculation but he mentions the spurs as a potential trade partner with the kings for the #4 pick. What would y’all trade for #4? Keldon + 9, that would be a hard pill to swallow but DJ and Ivey together could be scary. Idk super unlikely But interesting to think about even if It’s not Ivey and one of the top 3 bigs fall.

As much as I love Keldon, he’s the odd man once Spurs got their true PF (Sochan/Eason) and Vassell is a more natural fit at SF. Yes I’d do Keldon plus even it means not Bachero, just Ivey. Murray/Ivey/Vassell/Eason/Defensive Big looks very promising.

[duncan2150]

I respect the ideas but i will not trade futur picks to move up a little bit. I will not trade DJ or Keldon plus a pick. I don't see a player in this draft worthing it, i can give that type of package for an Evan Mobley type of player.

The only thing i will do is trading some of this years picks for moving up.

[John B]

Or send that pick to Charlote for picks 13, 15 and future FRP. Draft Davis at 9, Eason 13, Williams 15.

[mo7888]

Absolutely. The Spurs would have to make at least one All Star of Vassell, Primo, pick 4 and pick 9 for those picks to be in the 20s. But if this isn't a bet they're willing to make, that's really an argument against keeping Dejounte Murray. Right now, he might fetch 3 FRPs and a young player. if you really don't think Vassell, Primo, two 2022 lottery picks, and Murray are good enough to become a playoff team in 2024-2027, then you have to convert Murray and get serious about a rebuild.

If DJ is worth 3 frp's and a young player I'd move him (assuming we're talking good picks and not in the 20's)

[Big Empty]

Sac has Mitchell and Fox, why would they want another guard? They’re probably looking for a Paul George type player for that pick if they are in win now mode. Keldon would have to be who we trade if that pipe dream ever happened for the 4th pick along with a few first rounders

[BatManu20]

Honestly, I think I would if it's Banchero who's there. His upside at his position is harder to find than a competent Dejounte replacement. I'd try other scenarios first (like moving up from 9 + KJ), but if that's the only way, I think I'd still do it. Not that I think Banchero would fall to no. 4, or the Kings or the FO would do that.

Banchero’s pretty much a given at #3 to Houston if he’s there, which it sounds like he will be. Losing Keldon would also really suck and be a move in the wrong direction.

[rascal]

Banchero’s pretty much a given at #3 to Houston if he’s there, which it sounds like he will be. Losing Keldon would also really suck and be a move in the wrong direction.

Spur fans value Keldon more than other team's front offices so Sac would have no interest in Keldon + 9 for 4.

Sac would be looking for an all star level player in a deal for 4.

[Drom John]

Word is that Jovic wants to come over this year. Though they could draft him and force him to stay.

Flip that. The leverage belong to the player. See Clint Capela.

[Dejounte]

Spurs working out LaRavia

if we can get both Alondes and LaRavia, that would be pretty sick

LaRavia makes nice cuts to the basket.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Spur fans value Keldon more than other team's front offices so Sac would have no interest in Keldon + 9 for 4.

Sac would be looking for an all star level player in a deal for 4.

I didn't realized that you have had conversations with NBA front offices on the value of Keldon Johnson. Please share with us what they have said.

[Dejounte]

I don’t know why people bother with rascal and his “mystical power of foresight” :lmao

this dude popped out of nowhere for the offseason.

[rascal]

I don’t know why people bother with rascal and his “mystical power of foresight” :lmao

this dude popped out of nowhere for the offseason.

This is the most interesting time of the year as this is when teams build their teams.

And go on believing Keldon + 9 will be enough to get that number 4 pick. That's not mystical foresight, it's common sense.

[rjv]

Spurs working out LaRavia

if we can get both Alondes and LaRavia, that would be pretty sick

LaRavia makes nice cuts to the basket.

that's interesting. i know he pulled out of the scrimmages at the combine on a rumored first round promise. he also worked out for the nuggets yesterday.

[duncan2150]

Spurs working out LaRavia

if we can get both Alondes and LaRavia, that would be pretty sick

LaRavia makes nice cuts to the basket.

Logically SA working out a lot of prospects.

Some nice duos in this draft : Laravia-Alondes/Mahurin-Terry or Koloko/Sochan-Brown .....

Laravia looks good, my only concern was the laterall quickness but he is a nice complete player.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/1534558339761315840

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1534584832759672833

[RiverwalkParade]

Call me a sucker for a highlight reel, but Alondes Williams looks legit. Don’t draft potential or measurements. Draft an elite skill and a killer instinct. Would not wait for 38 to take this guy.

[Dejounte]

Call me a sucker for a highlight reel, but Alondes Williams looks legit. Don’t draft potential or measurements. Draft an elite skill and a killer instinct. Would not wait for 38 to take this guy.

Majority of the folks on this board would pass on Ginobili because he was too old (and if they deny it, they’re lying to themselves)

[John B]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1534584832759672833

Damn 32 workouts? I wonder if Spurs had so many workouts ever in the past :lol.

I would be thrilled with any combinations of:

Davis/Daniels/Sochan 9
Eason/LaRavia 20
Jalen Williams/Butler 25
Procida 38

I think that 38th pick is a stash having too many rookies. And Manu inquiring about contracts

[Ocotillo]

The workouts are nothing out of the ordinary or at least that is my opinion. They are conducting due diligence and that enables them to put together a board beyond the picks that they currently have in the event of trades or undrafted players getting Austin invites or training camp invites.

[John B]

The workouts are nothing out of the ordinary or at least that is my opinion. They are conducting due diligence and that enables them to put together a board beyond the picks that they currently have in the event of trades or undrafted players getting Austin invites or training camp invites.

I was saying because Keldon didn’t even want to workout with the Spurs expecting to be a lottery pick and not going to 19 or worst 29th. They couldn’t even get his number that they didn’t know how to call him when they drafted him. But with 4 picks, damn

[bluebellmaniac]

Damn 32 workouts? I wonder if Spurs had so many workouts ever in the past :lol.

I would be thrilled with any combinations of:

Davis/Daniels/Sochan 9
Eason/LaRavia 20
Jalen Williams/Butler 25
Procida 38

I think that 38th pick is a stash having too many rookies. And Manu inquiring about contracts

What has Manu asked in regards to contracts?

[K...]

What has Manu asked in regards to contracts?

One of the players said something about speaking to manu and question's about contracts. Its up to speculation if that's draft and stash or 2way stuff

[Chinook]

I think that 38th pick is a stash having too many rookies. And Manu inquiring about contracts

I think Manu was clarifying with Procida that he's a free agent. It was a weird situation, but he's not likely going to be stashed unless Ginobili hoodwinks him.

[Drom John]

I believe the Spurs don't just work out potential draft picks, but also those they might consider for summer camp fodder > Austin Spurs roster fillers.

[John B]

I believe the Spurs don't just work out potential draft picks, but also those they might consider for summer camp fodder > Austin Spurs roster fillers.

Plus players that they don’t even workout but ultimately pick, i.e. Keldon who wasn’r expected to go that low

I’m just commenting on the amount of activities the PATFO has this Summer, maybe ever.

[exstatic]

I believe the Spurs don't just work out potential draft picks, but also those they might consider for summer camp fodder > Austin Spurs roster fillers.

There’s also a level of subterfuge involved. If the Spurs have trades working for any of their picks, the can covertly invite reps from other teams, and the players wouldn’t even be aware of it.

[spurraider21]

Sochan reminds me of Rodman, on defense.
:lol thank god

[Dejounte]

Plus players that they don’t even workout but ultimately pick, i.e. Keldon who wasn’r expected to go that low

I’m just commenting on the amount of activities the PATFO has this Summer, maybe ever.

They have the 9th pick. They pretty much should workout everyone they can as they have first dibs on 90% of the draft. The Keldon excuse won’t work here.

[John B]

They have the 9th pick. They pretty much should workout everyone they can as they have first dibs on 90% of the draft. The Keldon excuse won’t work here.

I’m sure Spurs fans are not used to seeing so many top names to choose from. Anyone of them could be a T-Mac, Novitzky, Demar, Amare just a few of notable players picked at 9. And even 13/15 if they can pull it off. Exciting time

[rascal]

By the looks of the interview list the spurs will not be pursuing a trade up in the draft.

[exstatic]

By the looks of the interview list the spurs will not be pursuing a trade up in the draft.

That would be tipping your hand. You don’t want to let teams know you’re trading up, and working out Banchero would set of not only alarms, but freaking air raid sirens.

[PhantomDashCam]

By the looks of the interview list the spurs will not be pursuing a trade up in the draft.

This is my info. On that matter-

Workouts are handled by the agents of each player. Based on Insider intel., they then organise a client’s workout based on their projected range, including some outlier teams on either side of the spectrum. Eg. Players like Ivey or Banchero wouldn’t need to work out for anywhere below the 5th pick unless there was a certain desire by that player to do so.

There are two schools of thought here -

1. An agents job is to get their client as high a position in the draft as possible leading to the most initial money a prospect can earn from their contract right off the bat.

2. An agents job is to get their client to the best team they can (not by current W/Ls), that can utilise their talents most effectively based on current personnel right away.

We actually saw Primo’s agent achieve both by getting him to a great organisation, one Primo himself had designated, while seemingly going higher than what was predicted.

Haliburton was also said to have tried to get his way to Sacramento by his party withholding certain information from teams picking ahead of them.

[rascal]

This is my info. On that matter-

Workouts are handled by the agents of each player. Based on Insider intel., they then organise a client’s workout based on their projected range, including some outlier teams on either side of the spectrum. Eg. Players like Ivey or Banchero wouldn’t need to work out for anywhere below the 5th pick unless there was a certain desire by that player to do so.

There are two schools of thought here -

1. An agents job is to get their client as high a position in the draft as possible leading to the most initial money a prospect can earn from their contract right off the bat.

2. An agents job is to get their client to the best team they can (not by current W/Ls), that can utilise their talents most effectively based on current personnel right away.

We actually saw Primo’s agent achieve both by getting him to a great organisation, one Primo himself had designated, while seemingly going higher than what was predicted.

Haliburton was also said to have tried to get his way to Sacramento by his party withholding certain information from teams picking ahead of them.

Why has Mathurin interviewed with the Knicks, Raptors and Bulls?

[John B]

This is my info. On that matter-

Workouts are handled by the agents of each player. Based on Insider intel., they then organise a client’s workout based on their projected range, including some outlier teams on either side of the spectrum. Eg. Players like Ivey or Banchero wouldn’t need to work out for anywhere below the 5th pick unless there was a certain desire by that player to do so.

There are two schools of thought here -

1. An agents job is to get their client as high a position in the draft as possible leading to the most initial money a prospect can earn from their contract right off the bat.

2. An agents job is to get their client to the best team they can (not by current W/Ls), that can utilise their talents most effectively based on current personnel right away.

We actually saw Primo’s agent achieve both by getting him to a great organisation, one Primo himself had designated, while seemingly going higher than what was predicted.

Haliburton was also said to have tried to get his way to Sacramento by his party withholding certain information from teams picking ahead of them.

Are teams required to release who they workout or can they workout players in private? Also why are some workouts out on social media, and some not? I don’t see anything from the Spurs.

[Ocotillo]

Haliburton was also said to have tried to get his way to Sacramento by his party withholding certain information from teams picking ahead of them.

Heh, if true despite him being a good player they kept him around for a cup of coffee and shipped him out.

[PhantomDashCam]

Why has Mathurin interviewed with the Knicks, Raptors and Bulls?

Players can interview with different teams outside of that range, there's no worries in that.
It also gives teams intel. in future events such as FA, Trades etc etc.

Spurs interviewed Kawhi for example.

Mathurin is a huge MJ fan, he would have been happy to speak to Chicago. The Knicks aren't too far outside his projected range and Toronto, well the boy is from Canada.

[PhantomDashCam]

Heh, if true despite him being a good player they kept him around for a cup of coffee and shipped him out.

Yeah that was such a bizarre turn of events. He really wanted to be there, not something you often hear from Sacramento players...

Edit: For Posterity...

https://kingsherald.com/draft-news/2020-nba-draft-tyrese-haliburton-sacramento-kings-lowe-post/


On the latest episode of the Lowe Post podcast, host Zach Lowe and draft analyst Jonathan Givony reported that Tyrese Haliburton's agent told teams to pass on him so he could fall to Sacramento.

[PhantomDashCam]

Are teams required to release who they workout or can they workout players in private? Also why are some workouts out on social media, and some not? I don’t see anything from the Spurs.

I believe it's at the team's discretion.

Certain franchises are comfortable with transparency on their draft processes. Spurs have always seemingly been tight-lipped about it.

In the age of social media, that's becoming increasingly difficult...

[The Truth #6]

I believe the Spurs don't just work out potential draft picks, but also those they might consider for summer camp fodder > Austin Spurs roster fillers.

And maybe even as potential future Spurs. Once they're drafted they can't talk to them.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[John B]

Just one Center, but a lot of PF's in the 6'9 height and also long SG/SF. Yup Spurs are going long and athletic forwards.

I doubt Tyty, a PG, is our pick at 9. I doubt Murray will be offered, with Jones the only other true PG.

PG
Tyty Washington - 6'3
Alex Barcello - 6'2
AJ Green - 6'4
Andrew Nembhard - 6'5

SG
Johnny Davis - 6'5
Dyson Daniels - 6'8
Jalen Williams - 6'6
Alondes Williams - 6'5
Michael Devoe - 6'5
Tyrese Martin - 6'6
Peter Kiss - 6'5
Jamay Bieniemy - 6'4
Aminu Mohammed - 6'5

SF
MarJon Beauchamp - 6'6
Kendall Brown - 6'8
Wendell Moore - 6'5
Gabriele Procida - 6'7
Jabari Walker - 6'9
Keon Ellis - 6'6
Jeriah Horne - 6'7
Anthony Duruji - 6'7
Marcus Weathers - 6'5

PF
Jeremy Sochan - 6'9
Tari Eason - 6'8
Jake LaRavia - 6'8
Patrick Baldwin - 6'9
Josh Minott - 6'8
Moussa Diabate - 6'11
Darius Days - 6'7
Dom Barlow - 6'9
Isiah Mobley - 6'10

C
John Butler - 7'1

[Ariel]

Banchero’s pretty much a given at #3 to Houston if he’s there, which it sounds like he will be. Losing Keldon would also really suck and be a move in the wrong direction.
They were the first ones to come out and say they were open to dealing the pick, so I don't know what about that tells you they're 100% set on making the pick and going with Banchero on top of that.

[The Truth #6]

Out of that list I don’t think I saw: Dieng, Duren, Malakai Branham, Caleb Houstan, Max Christie, Dalen Terry, Mark Williams. I still feel like Spurs try to act stealthy and hide their intentions. Just speculating.

[Ditty]

I think it’s going to be a forward heavy draft. Still think Dieng will be the pick at 9th. Jovic at 20 and Procida at 25 (stash pick). Someone like Leonard Miller or Houstan at 38.

[John B]

I think it’s going to be a forward heavy draft. Still think Dieng will be the pick at 9th. Jovic at 20 and Procida at 25 (stash pick). Someone like Leonard Miller or Houstan at 38.

Man that’s so underwhelming but very Spursy :lol

[Mr. Body]

I think it’s going to be a forward heavy draft. Still think Dieng will be the pick at 9th. Jovic at 20 and Procida at 25 (stash pick). Someone like Leonard Miller or Houstan at 38.

Yeah, I think Dieng may go much higher than projections now show. If he pans out, he's better than anyone in this draft. I'd hate to follow it up by drafting basically the same guy three more times, though...

[scott]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1534584832759672833

No Dieng on this list. Notable.

[heyheymymy]

There are a lot of interesting SGs past #20 that I'm eyeing using #9 to shore up the hole at PF.

Jalen Williams (off chance he falls), Blake Wesley, Dalen Terry, Alondes Williams- I like Davis, Daniels, and Mathurin and would be thrilled with any if they are avail at #9 but can't you get away with one or two of those post #20 SGs instead?

#9 Sochan
#20 Jalen Williams/Wesley
#25 Lariva
#38 Alondes Williams

Would be awesome to get the Wake Forest duo. Was watching this highlight game I linked below and the two are hustling 100% fighting for loose balls and have great communication between each other. Instrumental in the win over the UNC team that went to the Champ game.

Check out: Wake's Alondes Williams & Jake LaRavia Crush UNC | ACC Basketball Classic

​On January 22nd, 2022 the Demon Deacons hosted the Tar Heels in a battle of in-state rivals. Wake got a resounding 98-76 victory led by the dynamic duo of Jake LaRavia and Alondes Williams. LaRavia went off for 31 points and 10 rebounds. Williams chipped in 23 points and 6 rebounds. Check it all out right here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMt6uIfnFCQ

[buttsR4rebounding]

Just one Center, but a lot of PF's in the 6'9 height and also long SG/SF. Yup Spurs are going long and athletic forwards.

I doubt Tyty, a PG, is our pick at 9. I doubt Murray will be offered, with Jones the only other true PG.

PG
Tyty Washington - 6'3
Alex Barcello - 6'2
AJ Green - 6'4
Andrew Nembhard - 6'5

SG
Johnny Davis - 6'5
Dyson Daniels - 6'8
Jalen Williams - 6'6
Alondes Williams - 6'5
Michael Devoe - 6'5
Tyrese Martin - 6'6
Peter Kiss - 6'5
Jamay Bieniemy - 6'4
Aminu Mohammed - 6'5

SF
MarJon Beauchamp - 6'6
Kendall Brown - 6'8
Wendell Moore - 6'5
Gabriele Procida - 6'7
Jabari Walker - 6'9
Keon Ellis - 6'6
Jeriah Horne - 6'7
Anthony Duruji - 6'7
Marcus Weathers - 6'5

PF
Jeremy Sochan - 6'9
Tari Eason - 6'8
Jake LaRavia - 6'8
Patrick Baldwin - 6'9
Josh Minott - 6'8
Moussa Diabate - 6'11
Darius Days - 6'7
Dom Barlow - 6'9
Isiah Mobley - 6'10

C
John Butler - 7'1

Butler is not a center. He played more like a SF at FSU. He is listed at 7’1”, but he likely has the longest neck in the draft making his effective height more like 6’10. He is a perimeter player. Really interesting stat: almost shot better from 3 than FTs. He is a coach’s son and it shows.

[Maddog]

Butler is not a center. He played more like a SF at FSU. He is listed at 7’1”, but he likely has the longest neck in the draft making his effective height more like 6’10. He is a perimeter player. Really interesting stat: almost shot better from 3 than FTs. He is a coach’s son and it shows.

His standing reach is almost the same as Kessler and Koloko
He doesn't block many shots and that FT% is scary bad.

[rascal]

I find it hard to believe a front office with a conservative history like the Spurs will draft at 9 someone they didn't bring in for a workout and interview.

I can see a later pick the Spurs drafting a player they didn't bring in but not at 9.

It's disappointing if they bypass Sharpe, Mathurin or Murray if they fell to 9 for someone on the current workout list(can change over the next couple of weeks).
I'm expecting the Spurs to draft a player they interviewed/worked out so as of now Sochan will be the pick at 9.

Will you be happy with Sochan at 9 and a trade away of pick 20 for a lottery protected future first rounder(as teams will call for one of the later picks and for sure that pick will be 20) and a foreign stash at 25?

This would be a very lateral move if the Spurs play it like this.

[mo7888]

I think it’s going to be a forward heavy draft. Still think Dieng will be the pick at 9th. Jovic at 20 and Procida at 25 (stash pick). Someone like Leonard Miller or Houstan at 38.

While Iike all three guys at those spots I don't think I'd take Jovic if I took Deing at #9. I'd lean more towards Terry, Wesley, Williams, etc.... if I were going with a 2nd PF at 20 I'd go with a defensive one but I'd probably prefer to balance the draft out with a guard. Procida I see as a SF..

[mo7888]

I find it hard to believe a front office with a conservative history like the Spurs will draft at 9 someone they didn't bring in for a workout and interview.

I can see a later pick the Spurs drafting a player they didn't bring in but not at 9.

It's disappointing if they bypass Sharpe, Mathurin or Murray if they fell to 9 for someone on the current workout list(can change over the next couple of weeks).
I'm expecting the Spurs to draft a player they interviewed/worked out so as of now Sochan will be the pick at 9.

Will you be happy with Sochan at 9 and a trade away of pick 20 for a lottery protected future first rounder(as teams will call for one of the later picks and for sure that pick will be 20) and a foreign stash at 25?

This would be a very lateral move if the Spurs play it like this.

Knowing what I know now I wouldn't like that draft at all...the one caveat is if they have a couple FA/trade moves on the table and they need more future picks to accomplish that...if thats the case then it'd make sense but we don't have that knowledge....so in a vacuum I would be disappointed..

[CGD]

Deing at 9 seems like a mega reach.

[The Truth #6]

I find it hard to believe a front office with a conservative history like the Spurs will draft at 9 someone they didn't bring in for a workout and interview.

I can see a later pick the Spurs drafting a player they didn't bring in but not at 9.

It's disappointing if they bypass Sharpe, Mathurin or Murray if they fell to 9 for someone on the current workout list(can change over the next couple of weeks).
I'm expecting the Spurs to draft a player they interviewed/worked out so as of now Sochan will be the pick at 9.

Will you be happy with Sochan at 9 and a trade away of pick 20 for a lottery protected future first rounder(as teams will call for one of the later picks and for sure that pick will be 20) and a foreign stash at 25?

This would be a very lateral move if the Spurs play it like this.

My point is not that they didn't bring them in, but it isn't being reported. I think the Spurs like to work this way. I say that because players who have been drafted have said they were told not to tell anyone that they came in for a workout/interview. And so, since this is a boring waiting time before the draft, I'm speculating for fun that the players I mentioned not on the list, notably Duren, Mark Williams, and Dieng, could very well be targets for the #9 pick. For later picks there's less of an issue I would say, though I won't be shocked if 20 or 25 is Max Christie or Caleb Houstan. For the record, I plan to be drinking on draft night to simultaneously prepare to celebrate or mourn our picks.

Dieng definitely feels like a Spurs type of pick at 9 for multiple reasons, including that we don't have a report of him coming in.

As for no Duren or Mark Williams, I will say that's kind of interesting too, and makes me wonder about potential trades with CHA for either that pick or Yak.

But in the end, who knows?

[John B]

Butler is not a center. He played more like a SF at FSU. He is listed at 7’1”, but he likely has the longest neck in the draft making his effective height more like 6’10. He is a perimeter player. Really interesting stat: almost shot better from 3 than FTs. He is a coach’s son and it shows.

It’s interesting how the list does not include a C and with Poeltl’s expiring contract. No big man project? Unless they’ve seen from other team’s workouts. But that opens the issue like with Samanic when they don’t thoroughly interview on a person’s character.

[exstatic]

By the day after the draft, no one in this forum will be happy. The Spurs will have traded too many/not enough picks, or drafted the wrong players.

[duncan2150]

My point is not that they didn't bring them in, but it isn't being reported. I think the Spurs like to work this way. I say that because players who have been drafted have said they were told not to tell anyone that they came in for a workout/interview. And so, since this is a boring waiting time before the draft, I'm speculating for fun that the players I mentioned not on the list, notably Duren, Mark Williams, and Dieng, could very well be targets for the #9 pick. For later picks there's less of an issue I would say, though I won't be shocked if 20 or 25 is Max Christie or Caleb Houstan. For the record, I plan to be drinking on draft night to simultaneously prepare to celebrate or mourn our picks.

Dieng definitely feels like a Spurs type of pick at 9 for multiple reasons, including that we don't have a report of him coming in.

As for no Duren or Mark Williams, I will say that's kind of interesting too, and makes me wonder about potential trades with CHA for either that pick or Yak.

But in the end, who knows?

I think it's just impossible to know with the Spurs, they prefer to hide things in general.

Their interest for Samanic was not hidden for example ( but i think it was samanic who showed some pics or that they had a dinner) .

[exstatic]

Butler is not a center. He played more like a SF at FSU. He is listed at 7’1”, but he likely has the longest neck in the draft making his effective height more like 6’10. He is a perimeter player. Really interesting stat: almost shot better from 3 than FTs. He is a coach’s son and it shows.

He's like a stretch 4.5. In no way is he a SF. Doesn't have the skill set.

[duncan2150]

It’s interesting how the list does not include a C and with Poeltl’s expiring contract. No big man project? Unless they’ve seen from other team’s workouts. But that opens the issue like with Samanic when they don’t thoroughly interview on a person’s character.

On another note they saw Kamagate in Europe, they have someone in one game vs ASVEL so no C on the list doesn't mean they don't target one. They probably saw some pro day from with Centers too.

[rjv]

By the day after the draft, no one in this forum will be happy. The Spurs will have traded too many/not enough picks, or drafted the wrong players.

hell, when is ST ever happy?

[exstatic]

hell, when is ST ever happy?

Exactly.

[Mr. Body]

It’s interesting how the list does not include a C and with Poeltl’s expiring contract. No big man project? Unless they’ve seen from other team’s workouts. But that opens the issue like with Samanic when they don’t thoroughly interview on a person’s character.

I mean, this board has been feasting on a baseless rumor that Charlotte and the Spurs MAY have been talking about a trade of Poeltl. AFAIK, there's been no substantiation about this whatsoever. Judging by track record, the team would rather resign Poeltl and keep him within the team than do anything bizarre.

[CGD]

^ lol, dont kill my buzz man! I'm just trying to make it to 06/23 :-)

It is pretty impressive that around conference finals time most of the enthusiasm around the NBA is draft/FA-related at time when the league is desperate to showcase the cream of the crop of the profession. Speculation on my end, but the league mustve talked to the talking heads/podcasters about it this year, begging them to keep the focus on the Finals as much as possible. I've seen more restraint this year than last.

[drpill]

What (realistic) pick at 9 would cause the biggest ST meltdown? Obviously picking Jovic would send this place into a tailspin of despair, but I don't think that's got much likelihood of happening. At least I seeeeriously hope not. I could see Dieng at 9... that would inspire some mass cliff jumping, with so many other solid picks on the board.

I frankly have no idea what the Spurs will do and I won't be surprised if they disappoint a lot of people here with a left field pick. I feel they're unlikely to reach too far because they have those picks in the 20s, thankfully.

[Mr. Body]

What (realistic) pick at 9 would cause the biggest ST meltdown? Obviously picking Jovic would send this place into a tailspin of despair, but I don't think that's got much likelihood of happening. At least I seeeeriously hope not. I could see Dieng at 9... that would inspire some mass cliff jumping, with so many other solid picks on the board.

I frankly have no idea what the Spurs will do and I won't be surprised if they disappoint a lot of people here with a left field pick. I feel they're unlikely to reach too far because they have those picks in the 20s, thankfully.

1. Drafting a player like AJ Griffin, which is still a possibility. We've been down on him as a group and perhaps with good reason. Last off-season the team loaded with shoot-only players with little other talents (Forbes, McDermott) and it didn't work at all.

2. Drafting a player the board hasn't really done due diligence on. Malaki Branham has been mentioned once or twice, but we haven't done a deep dive on him.

3. Drafting a player much earlier than expected - the Josh Primo part deux. I don't know who that player would be, so will just say Dalen Terry.

4. Drafting Caleb Houstan with any pick.

5. Trading the pick away for a veteran player no one really likes. I can't imagine who that is, but maybe like Julius Randle. Unlikely, but maybe a package of players who aren't perceived as moving the needle.

6. Ultimately we all have our favorites, so almost everyone is bound to be disappointed in some fashion. I like Sochan and Davis but it is impossible to get both, and may not get either. A lot of players have their fans.

7. Drafting against perceived need. I wouldn't be overly excited about drafting Duren or M. Williams, although they both seem to be good players.

[John B]

What (realistic) pick at 9 would cause the biggest ST meltdown? Obviously picking Jovic would send this place into a tailspin of despair, but I don't think that's got much likelihood of happening. At least I seeeeriously hope not. I could see Dieng at 9... that would inspire some mass cliff jumping, with so many other solid picks on the board.

I frankly have no idea what the Spurs will do and I won't be surprised if they disappoint a lot of people here with a left field pick. I feel they're unlikely to reach too far because they have those picks in the 20s, thankfully.

1. Not picking any of Davis, Sochan, Mathurin, Sharpe, Daniels, Duren at 9
2. Draft day ends and Spurs didn’t draft a good size PF and Keldon still plays 4 at opening night. :bang

Personally, I will be thrilled with Davis and Sochan/Eason combination. Whatever they do with the rest of the picks would be okay. I would like if they could get an insurance for Poeltl, maybe a Koloko. Jovic I like as a stash, low risk high rewards if he pans out.

[Uriel]

Dieng is now the Spurs' pick at #9 in NBA Draft Room's mock. They also have Dalen Terry going to the Spurs at #25.

Looking at their mock, particularly the top 10, I can't help but feel this one is going to be one of the most accurate mocks on draft day itself.

[Degoat]

Dieng is now the Spurs' pick at #9 in NBA Draft Room's mock. They also have Dalen Terry going to the Spurs at #25.

Looking at their mock, particularly the top 10, I can't help but feel this one is going to be one of the most accurate mocks on draft day itself.

I totally agree lol it’s not my favorite outcome but it would be solid and definitely looks like a spurs draft

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1535017121515819024

update of the green room list

[PhantomDashCam]

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If Sharpe’s camp is allowing him to workout with the Pelicans at #8, the slide appears to be real…

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1535011918150262826

atleast spurs will have a shot at a legitimate prospect at 9

[exstatic]

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If Sharpe’s camp is allowing him to workout with the Pelicans at #8, the slide appears to be real…

Guys who aren't at the very top usually do 5-6 workouts. Sharpe had no real chance to make the top 4, so 6 workouts would be 5-10. At this point, the coy act could really start a slide, so he should at least work out in that range.

[Ariel]

There's waaaay too much stuff around Sharpe for my liking... I wouldn't even touch him at 9 without an impressive private workout, interviews, and thorough all around check. And even then I wouldn't feel at ease with the decision.

[BatManu20]

atleast spurs will have a shot at a legitimate prospect at 9

Theyll prob surpass all these guys and draft Dieng, Sochan, or Mark Williams tbh.

[slick'81]

Theyll prob surpass all these guys and draft Dieng, Sochan, or Mark Williams tbh.

hopefully they get their guy

[PhantomDashCam]

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…"He has a great understanding of how to play for a kid [who's] 18 years old — like, really understands offense, how to move the ball and make the next pass, and do it in limited dribbles," Peterson said."He plays like a pro. I mean, he plays like a guy that's 10 years older than his age."
If a teammate withheld a pass, Sochan wasn't afraid to call him out or ask the coaches about the play afterward.
"Occasionally he'd go, 'Hey, come on, man. Let's move the ball.' You would expect a senior to be saying that, not a freshman," Peterson said. "He has that instinct about him to feel that and help that happen on the floor."

A really great read. He would have to be on the shortlist.

[BackHome]

Deing at 9 seems like a mega reach.

Not really most draft have had him at 12 for awhile a few new ones have us taking him at 9 - Now Primo you can say was a mega reach as he was not even close in that range in every mock

[The Truth #6]

There's waaaay too much stuff around Sharpe for my liking... I wouldn't even touch him at 9 without an impressive private workout, interviews, and thorough all around check. And even then I wouldn't feel at ease with the decision.

But if some desperate team threw a good offer at us for #9 to get Sharpe, I'd listen.

[tonight...you]

Not really most draft have had him at 12 for awhile a few new ones have us taking him at 9 - Now Primo you can say was a mega reach as he was not even close in that range in every mock
You know and mocks are just done by outsiders looking in.
You always get the stories after a Draft how many teams looked at prospects differently from everyone else every year.

I only hold mocks, in my eye, as a nebulous thing meant to help get the word out to inform the public, but they are not even close to Gospel outside the obvious choices at the top.

[BatManu20]

NoCeilings.com’s updated mock has us taking:

9. Jeremy Sochan
20. Jalen Williams
25. Jake LaRavia


This would be a solid draft tbh. Wouldn’t complain about it.



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[BatManu20]

9. SAN ANTONIO SPURS - JEREMY SOCHAN | BAYLOR | FMaxwell: (https://twitter.com/BaumBoards/) San Antonio has proven to be a strong developmental organization over the years, particularly with regard to shooting. Sochan can do everything else— he’s a marvelous passer for his size, a multi-position defender, and a physical wonder who has no problem around the basket. For a team that lacks frontcourt depth, he fits a positional need while simultaneously offering a world of upside. Think of him as a big man version of Dejounte Murray—a high-effort player with excellent physical tools who just needs some seasoning. He’ll bring future upside and lineup optionality with the ability to play on day one, thanks to his defense and competitiveness.



20. SAN ANTONIO SPURS (via TOR) - JALEN WILLIAMS | SANTA CLARA | WNathan: (https://twitter.com/DraftDeeper) We are quite the fans of Williams at No Ceilings, and I’d suspect that San Antonio’s front office is as well. Williams brings not only some playmaking upside out of the PnR, but he’s also a legitimate catch-and-shoot threat in the halfcourt and gives the Spurs something they don’t currently have enough of on the wing. Defensively he’d fit right in with the versatility the roster currently possesses.



25. SAN ANTONIO SPURS (via BOS) - JAKE LARAVIA | WAKE FOREST | F
Alex: (https://twitter.com/DraftFilmSchool/) Jake LaRavia to the Spurs just seems like a match made in heaven. The do-it-all role player should fit seamlessly alongside any lineup San Antonio wants to throw out there. After drafting Jeremy Sochan and Jalen Williams, the Spurs walk away with a draft class of potential elite roleplayers to build around. They are still missing a true “star” in San Antonio, but maybe Dejounte Murray can take that next leap and become that guy.

[BatManu20]

If we take Mark Williams with Davis, Daniels and Sochan still on the board, the meltdown in this thread will be hilarious tbh :lol

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[Mr. Body]

Not really most draft have had him at 12 for awhile a few new ones have us taking him at 9 - Now Primo you can say was a mega reach as he was not even close in that range in every mock

Mock drafts are just portraits in time by amateurs and media trying to figure out what teams might do. Last year, they picked up on Ziaire Williams' movement into the top 10 pretty late. Most mocks didn't register the interest at all. Basically none of them picked up in teams' interest in Josh Primo much higher than they, who are not the teams themselves, realized.

So, saying Primo was a 'mega reach' is just a media reaction because they were caught flat footed. Mocks are essentially just half-informed guesses.

[Mr. Body]

9. SAN ANTONIO SPURS - JEREMY SOCHAN | BAYLOR | FMaxwell: (https://twitter.com/BaumBoards/) San Antonio has proven to be a strong developmental organization over the years, particularly with regard to shooting. Sochan can do everything else— he’s a marvelous passer for his size, a multi-position defender, and a physical wonder who has no problem around the basket. For a team that lacks frontcourt depth, he fits a positional need while simultaneously offering a world of upside. Think of him as a big man version of Dejounte Murray—a high-effort player with excellent physical tools who just needs some seasoning. He’ll bring future upside and lineup optionality with the ability to play on day one, thanks to his defense and competitiveness.



20. SAN ANTONIO SPURS (via TOR) - JALEN WILLIAMS | SANTA CLARA | WNathan: (https://twitter.com/DraftDeeper) We are quite the fans of Williams at No Ceilings, and I’d suspect that San Antonio’s front office is as well. Williams brings not only some playmaking upside out of the PnR, but he’s also a legitimate catch-and-shoot threat in the halfcourt and gives the Spurs something they don’t currently have enough of on the wing. Defensively he’d fit right in with the versatility the roster currently possesses.



25. SAN ANTONIO SPURS (via BOS) - JAKE LARAVIA | WAKE FOREST | F
Alex: (https://twitter.com/DraftFilmSchool/) Jake LaRavia to the Spurs just seems like a match made in heaven. The do-it-all role player should fit seamlessly alongside any lineup San Antonio wants to throw out there. After drafting Jeremy Sochan and Jalen Williams, the Spurs walk away with a draft class of potential elite roleplayers to build around. They are still missing a true “star” in San Antonio, but maybe Dejounte Murray can take that next leap and become that guy.

I'm not sure the source, but this would be a great draft. I don't care for LaRavia, but coming out with Sochan and Jalen Williams would be a coup.

[BackHome]

You know and mocks are just done by outsiders looking in.
You always get the stories after a Draft how many teams looked at prospects differently from everyone else every year.

I only hold mocks, in my eye, as a nebulous thing meant to help get the word out to inform the public, but they are not even close to Gospel outside the obvious choices at the top.

[BackHome]

You know and mocks are just done by outsiders looking in.
You always get the stories after a Draft how many teams looked at prospects differently from everyone else every year.

I only hold mocks, in my eye, as a nebulous thing meant to help get the word out to inform the public, but they are not even close to Gospel outside the obvious choices at the top.

Agrees, but even more for this draft as people can’t even agree on who the top 3 to 4 players will go to or ranking. Every board has them going at different selections the only common theme I have seen is probably 90% have us taking Duren. Lol. You know once you get past 15 I think you will see things all over the place this is when you really better have a good scouting department because this draft is very deep.

[exstatic]

Agrees, but even more for this draft as people can’t even agree on who the top 3 to 4 players will go to or ranking. Every board has them going at different selections the only common theme I have seen is probably 90% have us taking Duren. Lol. You know once you get past 15 I think you will see things all over the place this is when you really better have a good scouting department because this draft is very deep.

15? Once you get past 5, everything goes nuts.

[Uriel]

If we take Mark Williams with Davis, Daniels and Sochan still on the board, the meltdown in this thread will be hilarious tbh :lol

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I can't imagine that Duren wouldn't even make the lottery.

[Uriel]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1535017121515819024

update of the green room list
Something tells me it's gonna be awkward when AJ Griffin is the last man left in the green room and ESPN pans their cameras to him while expressing bewilderment that he hasn't been drafted yet.

[Mr. Body]

Something tells me it's gonna be awkward when AJ Griffin is the last man left in the green room and ESPN pans their cameras to him while expressing bewilderment that he hasn't been drafted yet.

He actually got picked ten picks before, he's just too slow to get there in time.

[XDT76]

NoCeilings.com’s updated mock has us taking:

9. Jeremy Sochan
20. Jalen Williams
25. Jake LaRavia


This would be a solid draft tbh. Wouldn’t complain about it.



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I would be happy if we got this, also if we got a proper 4, hopefully DjM will expend less energy on rebounding can can be more effectively on O and in 4Q.

[BatManu20]

Scratch Eason off our draft board boys. He appears to be a dumbass.


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[Ariel]

Scratch Eason off our draft boards boys. He appears to be a dumbass.


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Check the Tari Eason thread, it's being talked about there.

[Mnky]

If we take Mark Williams with Davis, Daniels and Sochan still on the board, the meltdown in this thread will be hilarious tbh :lol

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Outside of that spurs pick, that draft makes quite a bit of sense. Can see it playing it close to that.

I'm not a pro scout, but Davis and Daniels seem to have top much potential to pass on. That would likely get me a little sour. :downspin:

[Mnky]

Something tells me it's gonna be awkward when AJ Griffin is the last man left in the green room and ESPN pans their cameras to him while expressing bewilderment that he hasn't been drafted yet.

There's a handful of teams who could really use his shooting to surround their stars. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes early for that alone.

[The Truth #6]

Uninformed gut feeling is we pick Dieng or Mark Williams.

[Mr. Body]

Uninformed gut feeling is we pick Dieng or Mark Williams.

I can see that, but what a drag. It would mean no desire to improve over last year.

[Mr. Body]

Uninformed gut feeling is we pick Dieng or Mark Williams.

I can see that, but what a drag. It would mean no desire to improve over last year.

[Degoat]

Uninformed gut feeling is we pick Dieng or Mark Williams.

Dieng has a high upside and Mark Williams could make Jakob expendable. I think if they were to get that route too it’s because they like a guard or wing in the 20s like Jwill, Tyty, Blake, Hardy, Terry, etc.

[DPG21920]

Outside of that spurs pick, that draft makes quite a bit of sense. Can see it playing it close to that.

I'm not a pro scout, but Davis and Daniels seem to have top much potential to pass on. That would likely get me a little sour. :downspin:

I dont see how SA passes on Daniels for Williams

[exstatic]

I dont see how SA passes on Daniels for Williams

I don't see how they pass on Duren for Williams. Mocks aren't the be all and end all, but I haven't seen ONE that had Williams ahead of Duren. If you're going to draft a C, draft the best one, and the one more suited to today's game.

[RiverwalkParade]

I get frustrated with mocks. The draft should be about getting the guy that will fit best with your team, that you can develop, and that will excel in your organization. Just because a guy is mocked in the top 10, doesn’t mean he’ll be one of the 10 best players from the draft.

Every year there are guys picked in the late 1st and 2nd that out produce lottery picks. Who cares about the mocks, just go get your guy and live with the results.

[The Truth #6]

NBC Sports (Zak Hanshew): A.J. Griffin, F, Duke

Bleacher Report (Greg Swartz): Dyson Daniels, G, G-League Ignite

USA Today / FTW (Bryan Kalbrosky): Johnny Davis, G, Wisconsin

Sports Illustrated (Jeremy Woo): Jeremy Sochan, F, Baylor

Yahoo! Sports (Krysten Peck): Jeremy Sochan, F, Baylor

ESPN Insider (Jonathan Givony): Jalen Duren, C, Memphis

The Athletic (Sam Vecenie): A.J. Griffin, F, Duke

NBC Sports (Raphielle Johnson): A.J. Griffin, F, Duke

Bleacher Report (Jonathan Wasserman): Johnny Davis, G, Wisconsin

The Ringer (Kevin O'Connor): Bennedict Mathurin, F, Arizona

NetScouts Basketball (Carl Berman): Jalen Duren, C, Memphis

CBS Sports (Kyle Boone): Dyson Daniels, G, G-League Ignite

CBS Sports (Gary Parrish): Jalen Duren, C, Memphis

SB Nation (Ricky O’Donnell): Bennedict Mathurin, F, Arizona

Fantasy Pros (Kyle Williams): Jalen Duren, C Memphis

Rookie Wire (Cody Taylor): Bennedict Mathurin, F, Arizona



Feeling cynical at the moment, I'm just going to scratch all those names off and assume we won't draft any of them. Lol. I hope it's not Mark Williams we end up with. Dieng would at least fit a position of need, and is young, and "upside", and skilled. It seems there are some questions about his athleticism so that makes him more likely. Yeah, feeling salty right now. But oddly, I still think there's an outside chance they go for Eason, though not super likely.

[scott]

I get frustrated with mocks. The draft should be about getting the guy that will fit best with your team, that you can develop, and that will excel in your organization. Just because a guy is mocked in the top 10, doesn’t mean he’ll be one of the 10 best players from the draft.

Every year there are guys picked in the late 1st and 2nd that out produce lottery picks. Who cares about the mocks, just go get your guy and live with the results.

A lot of people, especially those on message boards like these, place too much emphasis in Mocks that tell them certain picks are a reach or a "bad pick" - but like you said, the draft works with teams making the best picks for their team not "the consensus top guy at this spot". We all have our favorites, but at the end of the day the Spurs have a professional scouting staff and we are just a bunch of people on the internet.

With that said, I'm still ready to curse at the sky if we draft AJ Griffin at 9.

[rascal]

Dieng has a high upside and Mark Williams could make Jakob expendable. I think if they were to get that route too it’s because they like a guard or wing in the 20s like Jwill, Tyty, Blake, Hardy, Terry, etc.

Dieng is weak at getting to the rim. Rather pull up for floater shots. Not seeing the offensive upside many in here are seeing.

[rjv]

A lot of people, especially those on message boards like these, place too much emphasis in Mocks that tell them certain picks are a reach or a "bad pick" - but like you said, the draft works with teams making the best picks for their team not "the consensus top guy at this spot". We all have our favorites, but at the end of the day the Spurs have a professional scouting staff and we are just a bunch of people on the internet.

With that said, I'm still ready to curse at the sky if we draft AJ Griffin at 9.

griffin worked out with the blazers yesterday; it'd be great if he went to portland because that'd be higher than i expect him to go.

[R. DeMurre]

It's kind of funny to read so many positive scouting reports on Dieng and then run into this one, by someone who doesn't like him at all: https://deanondraft.com//?s=dieng&search=Go

I generally like this guy's takes. At the very least, he's very interesting even when I don't agree. He's the opposite of Mike Schmitz, who I also like, in that he's not trying to make friends with anyone. :lol

Some excerpts:

Dieng burst onto prospect radar in 2019, playing for France’s u16 team that won the silver medal. In 22 minutes he averaged 8.9 pts 2.7 rebounds 3.6 assists, showing an intriguing intersection of passing and shooting for a 6’9 wing but also shooting just 33% from the field.
Most recently he has played for the New Zealand Breakers, by far the worst team in the Australian NBL who went 5-23 with -8.7 point differential.
After a dreadful start to the season, he finished strong. He finished the year averaging 20.8 minutes, 8.9 points, 3.1 rebs, 1 ast, 1.4 tovs, 0.6 stls, and 0.3 blks with 47.9% TS and a paltry 10.7 PER. His biggest appeal is his shooting, or at least his belief that he can shoot as he attempted 4.2 3’s per game and made 27.1%.
Over the past 3 seasons from ages 16 thru 18 he has shot 138/462 (29.9%) from 3 and 88/112 (78.6%) FT. So he’s not exactly a good shooter at this point, but in time he could develop into one for his size.
And whoever drafts him better hope that he does, because there is not much to like outside of that. He does not have much shake or burst, and struggles to beat anybody off the dribble. And in spite of his size, he is not much of a defensive playmaker with mediocre rebound, steal, and block numbers.

[exstatic]

I get frustrated with mocks. The draft should be about getting the guy that will fit best with your team, that you can develop, and that will excel in your organization. Just because a guy is mocked in the top 10, doesn’t mean he’ll be one of the 10 best players from the draft.

Every year there are guys picked in the late 1st and 2nd that out produce lottery picks. Who cares about the mocks, just go get your guy and live with the results.

I can assure you that virtually no NBA organizations care about mocks. Mocks are for fan engagement when only a few teams are still playing. They're fun, and invariably wrong after only a few picks.

[R. DeMurre]

I can assure you that virtually no NBA organizations care about mocks. Mocks are for fan engagement when only a few teams are still playing. They're fun, and invariably wrong after only a few picks.


I'd say that I agree generally... but Portland did hire Mike Schmitz as an advisor., and Memphis hired Hollinger at one point. There are way too many mocks out there, and it's hard to sift through them all, but I'd still say the best ones are pretty good and worth looking over.

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If Sharpe’s camp is allowing him to workout with the Pelicans at #8, the slide appears to be real…

‘Now set to workout with Charlotte…

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[Ariel]

‘Now set to workout with Charlotte…

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Hope that entices them to trade up to no. 9 with us...

[R. DeMurre]

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Nice article, but I wish he'd mentioned the difference between J Will's teammates and those of Mathurin, Braun, & Wesley. If you go by something like # of teammates in the RSCI Top 100, Braun had 5, Mathurin had 4, and Wesley had 3. Jalen had zero. Santa Clara's conference rival Gonzaga had 9!

[Mr. Body]

That's really early for Sharpe. I doubt he falls that far.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

:rolleyes

[Vince Carter's ankle]

It's kind of funny to read so many positive scouting reports on Dieng and then run into this one, by someone who doesn't like him at all: https://deanondraft.com//?s=dieng&search=Go

I generally like this guy's takes. At the very least, he's very interesting even when I don't agree. He's the opposite of Mike Schmitz, who I also like, in that he's not trying to make friends with anyone. :lol

Some excerpts:

Dieng burst onto prospect radar in 2019, playing for France’s u16 team that won the silver medal. In 22 minutes he averaged 8.9 pts 2.7 rebounds 3.6 assists, showing an intriguing intersection of passing and shooting for a 6’9 wing but also shooting just 33% from the field.
Most recently he has played for the New Zealand Breakers, by far the worst team in the Australian NBL who went 5-23 with -8.7 point differential.
After a dreadful start to the season, he finished strong. He finished the year averaging 20.8 minutes, 8.9 points, 3.1 rebs, 1 ast, 1.4 tovs, 0.6 stls, and 0.3 blks with 47.9% TS and a paltry 10.7 PER. His biggest appeal is his shooting, or at least his belief that he can shoot as he attempted 4.2 3’s per game and made 27.1%.
Over the past 3 seasons from ages 16 thru 18 he has shot 138/462 (29.9%) from 3 and 88/112 (78.6%) FT. So he’s not exactly a good shooter at this point, but in time he could develop into one for his size.
And whoever drafts him better hope that he does, because there is not much to like outside of that. He does not have much shake or burst, and struggles to beat anybody off the dribble. And in spite of his size, he is not much of a defensive playmaker with mediocre rebound, steal, and block numbers.

Dude really doesn't like Davis

[JPB]

Scratch Eason off our draft board boys. He appears to be a dumbass.


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Or smoke screen from a team who really wants him but afraid he'll be gone... You rarely see that kind of brutal take on a player, much less on a draft candidate... Might be guided by a GM.

[exstatic]

Dude really doesn't like Davis

I don't like Davis, nor do I hate him, but I'd hate him at #9.

[Thomas82]

Uninformed gut feeling is we pick Dieng or Mark Williams.

Hard pass on Mark Williams. I wouldn't touch any of those Duke players.

[rascal]

Hope that entices them to trade up to no. 9 with us...

Spurs better draft Sharpe if he's there at 9.
They will be kicking themselves if they pass on him.

[Thomas82]

NBC Sports (Zak Hanshew): A.J. Griffin, F, Duke

Bleacher Report (Greg Swartz): Dyson Daniels, G, G-League Ignite

USA Today / FTW (Bryan Kalbrosky): Johnny Davis, G, Wisconsin

Sports Illustrated (Jeremy Woo): Jeremy Sochan, F, Baylor

Yahoo! Sports (Krysten Peck): Jeremy Sochan, F, Baylor

ESPN Insider (Jonathan Givony): Jalen Duren, C, Memphis

The Athletic (Sam Vecenie): A.J. Griffin, F, Duke

NBC Sports (Raphielle Johnson): A.J. Griffin, F, Duke

Bleacher Report (Jonathan Wasserman): Johnny Davis, G, Wisconsin

The Ringer (Kevin O'Connor): Bennedict Mathurin, F, Arizona

NetScouts Basketball (Carl Berman): Jalen Duren, C, Memphis

CBS Sports (Kyle Boone): Dyson Daniels, G, G-League Ignite

CBS Sports (Gary Parrish): Jalen Duren, C, Memphis

SB Nation (Ricky O’Donnell): Bennedict Mathurin, F, Arizona

Fantasy Pros (Kyle Williams): Jalen Duren, C Memphis

Rookie Wire (Cody Taylor): Bennedict Mathurin, F, Arizona



Feeling cynical at the moment, I'm just going to scratch all those names off and assume we won't draft any of them. Lol. I hope it's not Mark Williams we end up with. Dieng would at least fit a position of need, and is young, and "upside", and skilled. It seems there are some questions about his athleticism so that makes him more likely. Yeah, feeling salty right now. But oddly, I still think there's an outside chance they go for Eason, though not super likely.

You might be right, but I remember seeing a whole lot of mocks with us picking Vassell in 2020, and then we actually did take him.

[Russ]

Hard pass on Mark Williams. I wouldn't touch any of those Duke players.

Hopefully the Spurs won't draft Mark Williams with any pick.


Spurs better draft Sharpe if he's there at 9.
They will be kicking themselves if they pass on him.

Agreed.

[Thomas82]

[QUOTE=Russ;10753053]Hopefully the Spurs won't draft Mark Williams with any pick.

I definitely wouldn't be upset with that.

[BatManu20]

Not a huge Jovic fan as I really don’t want to draft any defensive liabilities. Feels like a very Spurs-y pick though at 20 if he’s still on the board.


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[The Truth #6]

9. Sochan/Eason/Daniels

20. Eason/Jalen Williams/Beauchamp
25. Beauchamp/Hardy/EJ Liddell/TyTy

38. Nebhard/Jabari Walker/Fat Dude with Skills (David Roddy/Trevion Williams/Alondes Williams)

[Rito3d30]

Not a huge Jovic fan as I really don’t want to draft any defensive liabilities. Feels like a very Spurs-y pick though at 20 if he’s still on the board.


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Could this be the successful version of Samanic

[exstatic]

Could this be the successful version of Samanic

It’s the opposite side of the coin in nearly every respect. Sammich played defense. Jovic doesn’t. Jovic shoots. Sammich couldn’t. Jovic, by all accounts, has a wonderful personality. Sammich was a surly, self centered SOB.

[Dejounte]

Starting to deep dive into Mark Williams and this dude is looking like a better version of Poeltl just based off his advanced metrics. With his size, he should have no issues guarding the best bigs in the league. Looks like an even better shot blocker too while keeping his foul rate low. If there’s a trade to occur to reduce our total FRP to 2, Mark Williams and Jalen Williams plus Alondes Williams in the second round is a great haul.

The Williams brothers

[widowmaker]

They better draft 1 PF out of all those picks.

[John B]

^ agree with the defensive PF with size as one of the immediate needs. But also 1. Go-to scorer, and 2. point-of-attack defender. That to me is Johnny Davis, probably the best two-way player on this draft outside of Chet. Then an insurance big man if Spurs are moving Poeltl. I don’t see them playing 4 rookies, so maybe consolidate two picks to move up or get a 4th player with great potential to stash.

[Degoat]

Starting to deep dive into Mark Williams and this dude is looking like a better version of Poeltl just based off his advanced metrics. With his size, he should have no issues guarding the best bigs in the league. Looks like an even better shot blocker too while keeping his foul rate low. If there’s a trade to occur to reduce our total FRP to 2, Mark Williams and Jalen Williams plus Alondes Williams in the second round is a great haul.

The Williams brothers

Last couple weeks Mark Williams has really grown on me tbh if the spurs view him as a younger Jakob or a big that could have an even bigger impact then the 9th pick would be great value for him. Last season when Jakob was off the court we were horrible, if we replaced our backup minutes with a quality big I think it would make a huge impact for our playoff chances. Then grab Best available at the 20th pick or trade 20+25 to move up maybe?

[Dejounte]

Last couple weeks Mark Williams has really grown on me tbh if the spurs view him as a younger Jakob or a big that could have an even bigger impact then the 9th pick would be great value for him. Last season when Jakob was off the court we were horrible, if we replaced our backup minutes with a quality big I think it would make a huge impact for our playoff chances. Then grab Best available at the 20th pick or trade 20+25 to move up maybe?

Any scenario where we draft a C (and trade Poeltl) in this draft leads to Collins being the starting C at the beginning of the season.

Also looking at this deeper, there is no way the Spurs would be interested in a C that has a problem staying on the floor due to foul trouble. I think that is one of the biggest issues with Poeltl. Mark is exemplary at this area. No other big in the draft is, while being the defensive anchor that Mark is.

[Dejounte]

Another standout skill Mark Williams has: his hands. Dude is a wide receiver/ volley ball player out there.

[JPB]

Don't understand the mini hate on Jovic. Yeah, his defense is suspect but at #20 (or #25) you can get a very capable stretch big who can shoot and pass, from the bench, and and a cool team guy who won't whine for his touches. He might improve on defense too, not like he hadn't the tools.

That's basically Matt Bonner whith athecism and passing skills. Draft a PF/C at #9 and you're good.

"Hey Bonner! Look at me, Bonner!"

[exstatic]

Don't understand the mini hate on Jovic. Yeah, his defense is suspect but at #20 (or #25) you can get a very capable stretch big who can shoot and pass, from the bench, and and a cool team guy who won't whine for his touches. He might improve on defense too, not like he hadn't the tools.

That's basically Matt Bonner whith athecism and passing skills. Draft a PF/C at #9 and you're good.

"Hey Bonner! Look at me, Bonner!"

Having to put up with offense only players with bad D in the form of Forbes and Lonnie, I’m not really up for another one. I wouldn’t hate the pick, but I wouldn’t love it either.

[John B]

Don't understand the mini hate on Jovic. Yeah, his defense is suspect but at #20 (or #25) you can get a very capable stretch big who can shoot and pass, from the bench, and and a cool team guy who won't whine for his touches. He might improve on defense too, not like he hadn't the tools.

That's basically Matt Bonner whith athecism and passing skills. Draft a PF/C at #9 and you're good.

"Hey Bonner! Look at me, Bonner!"

I think Samanic left a bitter after taste as far as international players are concern. Imo I think Jovic is a good character and high bball IQ kind of player. While there’s also a Liddell, LaRavia, Jalen Williams, etc available at that range. Personally, I like Jovic as a stash with high potentials. But I hear he wants to come and play now. I wouldn’t be upset if he’s our 3rd choice, but after addressing Spurs immediate needs.

[TD 21]

In addition to not being foul prone, Williams is also a competent free throw shooter, a vertical spacer and while he'll likely be limited to drop coverage, he's so long that he'll still be capable of something bothering most pull up shooters.

I've always liked Poeltl, but going on 27, about to get paid and lacking versatility, it makes sense to cash him in now, get one of the Hornets picks in the package and utilize it on Williams.

[Degoat]

9th- Mark Williams
20th- Jovic
25th- Terry

Not my favorite draft but looks spursy imo lol I really like Johnny Davis or Dyson Daniels for the spurs but with the work it looks like Devin has put in I can’t seeing us investing in another guard with the lottery pick.

[pad300]

If we take Mark Williams with Davis, Daniels and Sochan still on the board, the meltdown in this thread will be hilarious tbh :lol



Looking forward to it...

[The Truth #6]

Uninformed gut speculation/opinion: since Pop finally took over Team USA, he made nice with Coach K and perhaps has a better intel on Duke players. Outside of their stars, they’re a factory for play-the-right-way role players. Tre Jones has been good for a SRP. In this draft: if not Mark Williams (who I am reluctantly making peace with as realistic pick), there’s also Wendell Moore, a former 5 star recruit who is a swiss army knife wing. Even Keels despite has awful measurables has his fans for his high BBIQ.

[exstatic]

Uninformed gut speculation/opinion: since Pop finally took over Team USA, he made nice with Coach K and perhaps has a better intel on Duke players. Outside of their stars, they’re a factory for play-the-right-way role players. Tre Jones has been good for a SRP. In this draft: if not Mark Williams (who I am reluctantly making peace with as realistic pick), there’s also Wendell Moore, a former 5 star recruit who is a swiss army knife wing. Even Keels despite has awful measurables has his fans for his high BBIQ.

I don’t think there was a beef with coach K. His beef was with Colangelo. Jerry seemed to think that Pop needed to come to him, hat in hand, and ask for the job. That is NOT the way. He won 5 NBA titles, and it was pretty clear that he was going to get the all time win mark if his health held up. You OFFER that person the job.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/calebturner23/status/1535723080261070848

[wildbill2u]

Don't understand the mini hate on Jovic. Yeah, his defense is suspect but at #20 (or #25) you can get a very capable stretch big who can shoot and pass, from the bench, and and a cool team guy who won't whine for his touches. He might improve on defense too, not like he hadn't the tools.

That's basically Matt Bonner whith athecism and passing skills. "Hey Bonner! Look at me, Bonner!"

We got Bonner at 45 so I don't think a player like him should be taken in the mid 20s, even if he is somewhat more athletic and has passing skills. He sounds like a perfect 38 to me or maybe Keldon 2.0 with athleticism and passing skills.

[3&D_TBH]

People are projecting their experience with Samanic onto Jovic. It's kind of understandable, but kind of not. tbh

[BatManu20]

Damn look at the schnauz on this kid. A nose that would make Manu proud tbh.


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[talkspurs]

Spur fans value Keldon more than other team's front offices so Sac would have no interest in Keldon + 9 for 4.

Sac would be looking for an all star level player in a deal for 4.

Which team would be willing to give up a current all star for a player that they dont know what he will become. Some people just want the pick because it is shiny and new. You do realize a current all star is in the top 30ish players correct? (yes I realize 24 make it.) I cant see any team giving up an all star for a #4 pick unless the player wants out and then I would think they get more then the #4 pick. aka #4 plus more picks or players.

[slick'81]

Damn look at the schnauz on this kid. A nose that would make Manu proud tbh.


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[tonight...you]

Damn look at the schnauz on this kid. A nose that would make Manu proud tbh.


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You know what they say about guys with big noses... amiright?

[slick'81]

You know what they say about guys with big noses... amiright?

the nose knows

[exstatic]

We got Bonner at 45 so I don't think a player like him should be taken in the mid 20s, even if he is somewhat more athletic and has passing skills. He sounds like a perfect 38 to me or maybe Keldon 2.0 with athleticism and passing skills.

We didn’t draft Matt Bonner, Toronto did, and he played there until he came here in a trade.

[talkspurs]

We got Bonner at 45 so I don't think a player like him should be taken in the mid 20s, even if he is somewhat more athletic and has passing skills. He sounds like a perfect 38 to me or maybe Keldon 2.0 with athleticism and passing skills.

He was drafted by Toronto and we he played for 12 years. Most second rd players do not play that long. Most non lottery players probably dont play that long. So if we get him at 20 and he has a solid career then it is a good pick.

[John B]

Damn look at the schnauz on this kid. A nose that would make Manu proud tbh.


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He seems like a great kid. Very unlike Samanic.

[Degoat]

A lot of interesting forwards projected to go late in the draft tbh. Patrick Baldwin, Justin Lewis, Caleb Houstan, Dominick Barlow, John Butler, Leonard Miller. All have flaws but with the 38th pick they would be excellent value Imo

[Uriel]

https://twitter.com/calebturner23/status/1535723080261070848
If this is true, then this, combined with timvp’s assertion that they prefer Williams over Duren, would make him the likely pick at #9.

[Thomas82]

If this is true, then this, combined with timvp’s assertion that they prefer Williams over Duren, would make him the likely pick at #9.

I really hope it's not Williams.

[CGD]

If this is true, then this, combined with timvp’s assertion that they prefer Williams over Duren, would make him the likely pick at #9.

I wonder if the gulf between Duren and Williams is as wide as we think. The main driver for Duren > Williams seems to be age (18.5 v 20), but if you line their metrics up it seems Williams is on the level or in some cases better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jalen-duren--mark-williams

This would also suggest to me that they’re moving Jakob soon, and prefer the more plug and play of the two. That’s Williams.

[Degoat]

I like Mark Williams and would be happy with the pick, but wouldn’t the wise thing be just to extend Jakob? He may not get the same opportunity on a different team, he’s making 9 mill/per year right now, just extend him and bump that salary up to 15-16 per year.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if the gulf between Duren and Williams is as wide as we think. The main driver for Duren > Williams seems to be age (18.5 v 20), but if you line their metrics up it seems Williams is on the level or in some cases better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jalen-duren--mark-williams

This would also suggest to me that they’re moving Jakob soon, and prefer the more plug and play of the two. That’s Williams.

Duren may project as more mobile in defending the perimeter, but yes, Williams is outright the better of the two right now.

[rascal]

Which team would be willing to give up a current all star for a player that they dont know what he will become. Some people just want the pick because it is shiny and new. You do realize a current all star is in the top 30ish players correct? (yes I realize 24 make it.) I cant see any team giving up an all star for a #4 pick unless the player wants out and then I would think they get more then the #4 pick. aka #4 plus more picks or players.

Chicago

[Dex]

He seems like a great kid. Very unlike Samanic.

Samanic has become the new "He Who Shall Not Be Named"

Dude couldn't even land a spot on the GLeague team of the fucking Knicks

What a waste

[John B]

Samanic has become the new "He Who Shall Not Be Named"

Dude couldn't even land a spot on the GLeague team of the fucking Knicks

What a waste

A rare miss uncharacteristic of the Spurs, and leaving Spurs fan the stigma for European players which we graciously embrace in the past.

[Degoat]

Larry Brown on Jalen Duren… (Didn’t realize he was an assistant on Memphis team)

A lot of people compare him to Bam,’’ Brown told The Post from his home in East Hampton. “I spent time with Cal [Kentucky coach John Calipari] when Bam was there. Bam doesn’t shoot 3s either. Jalen is 3 inches taller than Bam.
“Jalen is like when I was a head coach when he had a center and power forward in the NBA. I always teased him: I wanted him to be like [rugged former Pistons center] Ben Wallace, because he can run with anybody. He really can run. And can move his feet defensively.’’

[Mr. Body]

Larry Brown on Jalen Duren… (Didn’t realize he was an assistant on Memphis team)

A lot of people compare him to Bam,’’ Brown told The Post from his home in East Hampton. “I spent time with Cal [Kentucky coach John Calipari] when Bam was there. Bam doesn’t shoot 3s either. Jalen is 3 inches taller than Bam.
“Jalen is like when I was a head coach when he had a center and power forward in the NBA. I always teased him: I wanted him to be like [rugged former Pistons center] Ben Wallace, because he can run with anybody. He really can run. And can move his feet defensively.’’

Huh. Brown will never stop coaching. Anyway the Spurs should have the scuttlebutt on Duren then.

[John B]

I like Mark Williams and would be happy with the pick, but wouldn’t the wise thing be just to extend Jakob? He may not get the same opportunity on a different team, he’s making 9 mill/per year right now, just extend him and bump that salary up to 15-16 per year.

I don’t know if there’s already a thread whether to extend, trade or what to do with Poeltl timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8). Personally I see his limitations at 26 yrs old, that some of the prospects on this draft are already better than him and with better upsides. His on-man defense is bad especially when matched against a credible big, his FT is bad, very limited offensive skills besides rolling to the basket and hoisting teardrops. I doubt that he will ever be so much better. And what salary commensurates his skills because he will be asking a big raise.

[mo7888]

I don’t know if there’s already a thread whether to extend, trade or what to do with Poeltl timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8). Personally I see his limitations at 26 yrs old, that some of the prospects on this draft are already better than him and with better upsides. His on-man defense is bad especially when matched against a credible big, his FT is bad, very limited offensively skills besides rolling to the basket and hoisting teardrops. I doubt that he will ever be so much better. And what salary commensurates his skills because he will be asking a big raise.

About $15M per on an extention probably increases his trade value next summer... you have to weigh it vs what he'd bring this summer on an expiring but cheap contract.. if ot were me I'd trade him now if I got a good return but if the market wouldn't bear it then I'd extend and trade next summer..

[John B]

Personally I’d include him in a trade to move up. There are several prospects in this draft that Spurs could target

[exstatic]

I wonder if the gulf between Duren and Williams is as wide as we think. The main driver for Duren > Williams seems to be age (18.5 v 20), but if you line their metrics up it seems Williams is on the level or in some cases better:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jalen-duren--mark-williams

This would also suggest to me that they’re moving Jakob soon, and prefer the more plug and play of the two. That’s Williams.

We’re not a playoff team, so picking the more plug and play option and leaving that upside on the table is probably the worst thing we can do.

[BatManu20]

Future Houston Rocket legend Paulo Banchero.


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[BatManu20]

Future Spurs legend Dyson Daniels.

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[mo7888]

Personally I’d include him in a trade to move up. There are several prospects in this draft that Spurs could target

I'm not sure anyone above us needs a win now C...

[Degoat]

Future Spurs legend Dyson Daniels.

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[BatManu20]

Brinking quite a few 3s lmao he’s still one of my top 3 choices tho

Yea his shooting is his biggest knock obviously. That’s why he might be available at 9. His shot is a bit slow and elongated, but if it goes in at a decent clip then he’ll be fine imo.

[BatManu20]

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[Russ]

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Is this guy his agent?

[John B]

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My second choice after Davis if Spurs are targeting a two-way at 9, AGAIN if they would address the PF position with Eason/Sochan or someone similar by the end of the day.

[rascal]

I like Mark Williams and would be happy with the pick, but wouldn’t the wise thing be just to extend Jakob? He may not get the same opportunity on a different team, he’s making 9 mill/per year right now, just extend him and bump that salary up to 15-16 per year.

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

[BatManu20]

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

[Degoat]

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

I think that’s a pipe dream to get those picks from Charlotte tbh I wish it was possible but picks are at an all time high in value. Maybe 15 for Jakob straight up but even that is unlikely

[duncan2150]

Duren may project as more mobile in defending the perimeter, but yes, Williams is outright the better of the two right now.

Yes for the mobility and with more touch outside the paint. Williams is strickly a paint guy while Duren attempted 51 shots outside the paint last year, Williams attempted just 14.

Williams is a better FT shooter 72% vs 62% but i think Duren's ceilling is higher.

[rascal]

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

Both Williams and Duren (especially if the spurs pick one)can be gone by 13.

[mo7888]

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

Because neither Duren or Williams will be nearly as good as Jak next season and they really want to push to win now.

[Dejounte]

Yes for the mobility and with more touch outside the paint. Williams is strickly a paint guy while Duren attempted 51 shots outside the paint last year, Williams attempted just 14.

Williams is a better FT shooter 72% vs 62% but i think Duren's ceilling is higher.

30-81 for a low 36.1% outside the paint for Duren. Might as well not attempted that many if you’re going to shoot that poorly

20-46 for Williams

I have yet to see folks acknowledge Duren’s floor whenever someone advocates for him. It’s always, “yeah, he’s mobile and he could turn out like Bam”. It’s almost like people are way too optimistic for guys they like.

[Russ]

It’s almost like people are way too optimistic for guys they like.

Yep.

[duncan2150]

30-81 for a low 36.1% outside the paint for Duren. Might as well not attempted that many if you’re going to shoot that poorly

20-46 for Williams

I have yet to see folks acknowledge Duren’s floor whenever someone advocates for him. It’s always, “yeah, he’s mobile and he could turn out like Bam”. It’s almost like people are way too optimistic for guys they like.

Sometimes it's like you talk alone or with somebody else in your head, i never talked about bam.

On another note i don't have the same numbers. https://cbbanalytics.com/tools/shot-charts where did you get yours ?

One try to shoot, the other don't that's it. I'm not buying Duren shooting now but the improvement was clearly there as thing progressed last year.

BTW it's just a comparaison between Duren and Williams, i think Duren ceilling is better, i don't say he will be an all star or something else...

[Dejounte]

Sometimes it's like you talk alone or with somebody else in your head, i never talked about bam.

On another note i don't have the same numbers. https://cbbanalytics.com/tools/shot-charts where did you get yours ?

One try to shoot, the other don't that's it. I'm not buying Duren shooting now but the improvement was clearly there as thing progressed last year.

BTW it's just a comparaison between Duren and Williams, i think Duren ceilling is better, i don't say he will be an all star or something else...
I got the numbers from barttovik

You don’t have to mention something in order for the other person to reference it. That’s not how conversations work.

[duncan2150]

I got the numbers from barttovik

You don’t have to mention something in order for the other person to reference it. That’s not how conversations work.

So let's talk about your numbers. I undertand the thing, you talked about shot a the rim ( within 4 feet of the rim) , different that in the PAINT my friend...

Outside the paint Williams took 14 jumpers in 39 games ( not mentionned also ) while Duren took 51 jumpers in 29 games.

I really don't understand what you want on this, Duren showed more potential outside the paint than Williams that's just what i want to said........

[Mr. Body]

Is this guy his agent?

I don't trust Givony since he works for ESPN now. They are well known for pushing their interests. Just reading that, it sounds like Dyson Daniels is a Klutch guy or similar. Anything out of ESPN is suspect.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1536091543089598464

To complete the thing about Spurs wanting a Center.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1536091543089598464

To complete the thing about Spurs wanting a Center.

Are they getting a Center at 9 then move Poeltl? I wonder how they would do it. And whether it’s Duren or Williams

I would really hate it if Keldon is still the starting PF at the end of the day, and not took a crack at the available PF’s.

[duncan2150]

Are they getting a Center at 9 then move Poeltl? I wonder how they would do it. And whether it’s Duren or Williams

Except if Collins can play some 4, i think they will not take a C at 9 without moving Zach or Jakob imo. They had offers for Poetl in february and i think it will not be hard to trade him if they want.

Overall, i don't totally buy the rumors of the Spurs wanting a C at 9 tough i think the team needs a quality defensive big.

[Mr. Body]

IF the Spurs are into a center -- whether Duren or Williams -- for now they may be looking at Poeltl starting, new center back-up, with Collins or Landale paired with them.

We saw Landale and Collins playing together at the end of the season with some success. These sets aren't optimal on defense, but they may have to be what works for now at least in some situations.

[duncan2150]

IF the Spurs are into a center -- whether Duren or Williams -- for now they may be looking at Poeltl starting, new center back-up, with Collins or Landale paired with them.

We saw Landale and Collins playing together at the end of the season with some success. These sets aren't optimal on defense, but they may have to be what works for now at least in some situations.

+1

[John B]

I hate to always go back to the question on Keldon. Are the Spurs addressing the need to get bigger at the PF position. What would be the order of priority or are they going by the BPA?

And then there’s the issue on a go-to scorer and a better defender at the point-of-attack.

I wonder which one’s they prioritize

[Dejounte]

The Spurs shouldn’t go for a PF for the sake of going for a PF, especially if they don’t view those PFs as ceiling raisers or if they can feel they can get a same caliber or better one through other avenues.

As shiny and exciting an unknown prospect can be, there’s still no guarantee they will become special. And perhaps there are obvious signs when prospects don’t have greatness in them. An org like the Spurs have been around greatness for decades— that kind of thing probably stands out like the sun to them. Maybe they see it in a center or a wing in this draft.

[slick'81]

Dont give a shit what position they draft. As long as it makes the team better

[bluebellmaniac]

A 6' shooting guard it is.

[ginobilized]

It's possible that the Spurs get to choose between

Johnny Davis
Mathurin
Sochan
Griffin
Eason
Jalen Williams
Mark Williams
Duren
under the radar pick

That's the best pool of talent the Spurs have had to choose from in years. I'm liking the odds of getting a solid player more and more as the draft gets closer.
Can't wait to find out!
I have a feeling that Davis would be hard to pass up if available. He looks like a future star to me. Jaylen Williams could be a great player, too.

[The Truth #6]

The Spurs shouldn’t go for a PF for the sake of going for a PF, especially if they don’t view those PFs as ceiling raisers or if they can feel they can get a same caliber or better one through other avenues.

As shiny and exciting an unknown prospect can be, there’s still no guarantee they will become special. And perhaps there are obvious signs when prospects don’t have greatness in them. An org like the Spurs have been around greatness for decades— that kind of thing probably stands out like the sun to them. Maybe they see it in a center or a wing in this draft.

I agree with you in general, and getting the most talented player available makes sense because we aren't very good, but it sure seems like they've been loading up on centers as if it's a priority, bringing in Jock and Zollins in the same year. Our only true power forward might be KBD, if I remember correctly, though I suppose McBuckets could vaguely make that case, but he seems like a 3 to me. I don't see Keldon as a true power forward, either.

So yes, BPA makes sense, but in the general offseason I hope they find options for a real power forward somehow.

[Dejounte]

I agree with you in general, and getting the most talented player available makes sense because we aren't very good, but it sure seems like they've been loading up on centers as if it's a priority, bringing in Jock and Zollins in the same year. Our only true power forward might be KBD, if I remember correctly, though I suppose McBuckets could vaguely make that case, but he seems like a 3 to me. I don't see Keldon as a true power forward, either.

So yes, BPA makes sense, but in the general offseason I hope they find options for a real power forward somehow.

If they go for a C, it means they value their flexibility more which is an understandable position given they are not a playoff team yet. I recall an interview with Buford and Wright and that’s what they said their goal was— to remain flexible and take advantages of opportunities as they come. They may view committing to Poeltl as a long term C as a move that handicaps them too much hence their possible decision to draft a C. They may see our current PFs as acceptable ones for now until they find more “permanent” pieces like Murray. I think if that is the route they go, then they will continue to shuffle the cards every few years (whenever a large contract has/will be given). It’s a smart idea until they find those major pieces. With that in mind, I don’t believe they’re just going to draft MWill because they have to let Poeltl go… if they do it, then they could also see him as a future star.

[Degoat]

It's possible that the Spurs get to choose between

Johnny Davis
Mathurin
Sochan
Griffin
Eason
Jalen Williams
Mark Williams
Duren
under the radar pick

That's the best pool of talent the Spurs have had to choose from in years. I'm liking the odds of getting a solid player more and more as the draft gets closer.
Can't wait to find out!
I have a feeling that Davis would be hard to pass up if available. He looks like a future star to me. Jaylen Williams could be a great player, too.

Agreed! I think no matter what the spurs will be able to bring in some really talented guys in this draft. Johnny Davis is my favorite but anyone of those guys would be welcomed

[Uriel]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1536091543089598464

To complete the thing about Spurs wanting a Center.
There we go. Mark Williams at #9 confirmed.

[slick'81]

If any of those rumors are true then poodle power is doa in sa:cry

[talkspurs]

Chicago

I dont think they would trade DDR for a pick unless they were sure Lavine was leaving (and still maybe not) and I think they are thinking he will come back. I also would think they would want more then 1 pick. Lavine cant be tradded since he is a FA and only way they would trade him is if he said he was leaving.

[rascal]

If any of those rumors are true then poodle power is doa in sa:cry

Good, move on from him.

[slick'81]

Good, move on from him.

Especially before that extension hits

[Dejounte]

There isn’t enough talk about the other Baylor player… I vaguely recall a point during the season where Kendall was more hyped than Sochan and now the table has turned for some reason.

Hell, I remember at one point all Spurs fans thought we wouldn’t have a shot at Eason and now that he’s been mocked lower, everyone has flipped the script on ever wanting him.

funny shit.

[The Truth #6]

All this publicized chatter about us taking a C, I don’t know, usually the Spurs don’t leak any of this, so now I’m thinking maybe they aren’t getting a C. Who knows.

[Mr. Body]

There isn’t enough talk about the other Baylor player… I vaguely recall a point during the season where Kendall was more hyped than Sochan and now the table has turned for some reason.

Hell, I remember at one point all Spurs fans thought we wouldn’t have a shot at Eason and now that he’s been mocked lower, everyone has flipped the script on ever wanting him.

funny shit.

Yeah, things change. Fucking amazing. Kendall Brown is an amazing athlete but didn't show the same grasp of basketball and BBIQ that Sochan did. He's sort of like that super athletic guy from Texas last year. As for wings in that range, I'd look at Wendell Moore first.

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1536091543089598464

To complete the thing about Spurs wanting a Center.
6'4" guard incoming.

[PhantomDashCam]

Try ranking these players in order of potential/BPA by the end of their rookie contract…

Shaedon Sharpe
Bennedict Mathurin
Dyson Daniels
AJ Griffin
Johnny Davis
Malaki Branham
Blake Wesley
Jalen Williams
Jaden Hardy

Let’s say three of these guys come off the board before the 9th pick.
Even with that likely scenario, it’s still an absolute minefield tbh.

It’s one of the reasons I’d be comfortable grabbing Sochan or Duren at #9.

We may not be drafting BPA in that scenario (though there are schools of thought otherwise), and there is still inherent risk with both players but the outcomes feel more justifiable IMHO, considering the stakes.

[Thomas82]

There we go. Mark Williams at #9 confirmed.

That would be a reach.

[wildbill2u]

No, move him to Charlotte for 13 or 15.

So we wind up with 9,13,20,25 to play with??? This is about as optimistic a proposal as I have seen. I think I will go to bed with visions of sugar plums dancing in my dreams.

[Maddog]

Try ranking these players in order of potential/BPA by the end of their rookie contract…

Shaedon Sharpe
Bennedict Mathurin
Dyson Daniels
AJ Griffin
Johnny Davis
Malaki Branham
Blake Wesley
Jalen Williams
Jaden Hardy

Let’s say three of these guys come off the board before the 9th pick.
Even with that likely scenario, it’s still an absolute minefield tbh.

It’s one of the reasons I’d be comfortable grabbing Sochan or Duren at #9.

We may not be drafting BPA in that scenario (though there are schools of thought otherwise), and there is still inherent risk with both players but the outcomes feel more justifiable IMHO, considering the stakes.

At some level the draft is crap shoot. I think Ex posted a graph on the odds of getting a player who will make an all star team (we're not even talking perennial or all league etc. just one). Statistically speaking with 9, 20 and 25 the Spurs odds of getting a player who will make at least one all star team is ~ 27%. Yes the odds of a quality starter are probably a lot better- but that is not what this team needs at this time.

https://medium.com/@burakcankoc/what-are-the-odds-to-become-an-all-star-for-each-draft-pick-2d113d6b82e5

[exstatic]

Why would Charlotte trade 13 for Jak when they can just take one of Williams or Duren and have them on a longer and much cheaper Rookie contract.

They want to win now, because LaMelo isn’t too far from his first FA period.

[rascal]

They want to win now, because LaMelo isn’t too far from his first FA period.

How much will Poeltl be than Williams or Duren? Not much
If he was so much better then I'm sure Spurstalk would have no interest in a trade.

Charlotte may consider if they think both will be gone by 13 but not likely if they think they can get one of those centers at 13.

[exstatic]

How much will Poeltl be than Williams or Duren? Not much
If he was so much better then I'm sure Spurstalk would have no interest in a trade.

Charlotte may consider if they think both will be gone by 13 but not likely if they think they can get one of those centers at 13.

It’s about experience. Jak is and elite screener, he’ll quarterback your defense, and he won’t take shots away from LaMelo. Most young players are looking to make their mark, and that means scoring. Just look at the Ayton situation in Phoenix.