Spurs Select F Jeremy Sochan with the 9th Pick in the 2022 NBA Draft

[BatManu20]

Update: We have a PF.


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[BatManu20]

Pumped.

[slick'81]

The love child of dennis rodman& bruce bowen comes to our fair city:lobt2:

[T Park]

Love the pick. Allowing Keldon and Devin to play their natural positions, along with having good defense now and rebounding. Unreal huge.

[slick'81]

Murray
vassell
kj
dennis jr
poodle power-gl scoring nba

[daslicer]

Hopefully this starts to mark the end of the Spurs playing small ball. I don't know much about this guy but I have heard he's a very good defensive player, but his offense isn't good.

[Atl Spur]

We need to scoop up smith in free agency

[Joseph Kony]

fuck it i'm onboard. at least we finally have an actual PF

[spurs10]

Yeah it's good to have a PF and he will be under a great coaching staff to under Chip.

[DAF86]

Well, there goes the second option I had for 20.

[Dverde]

The Dennis Rodman Hair Salon for Men of Jeremy Sochran?

[Kurik]

Well, there goes the second option I had for 20.

I’m confident the lowest Sochan would go is 12 to the Thunder.

[Dex]

You son of a bitch, I'm in!

[AFBlue]

Don't need to watch highlights. Watched every single Baylor game. Sochan is the perfect fit.

[tim_duncan_fan]

How does he compare to Kyle Anderson?

[rogcl1]

How does he compare to Kyle Anderson?

Kyle is Slow Mo, this kid is fast Mo with the motor revved up.

[gilmor2002]

i watch his clips.

his feel for the game is amazing. Reminds me of Rodman.

[gilmor2002]

i watch his clips.

his feel for the game is amazing. Reminds me of Rodman.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1540174652173066240

[99 Problems]

Get in here.

[slick'81]

Jeremy's happy af to be here

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV_W3aIUcAAPbzU?format=jpg&name=large

[Degoat]

Watch the spurs sign Fathead and play him over Sochan all season lol

[John B]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1540174652173066240

This kid sounds genuinely ecstatic to play for Pop. I think he’ll anchor the defensive culture like Draymond does. He’s a great help defense so I think he could have a positive effect on Poeltl. Needs to work with Chip which I don’t have a doubt can help him improve his shooting. Great pick!!!

My 2nd combination choice after Davis/Eason
Sochan/Jaylen, but both guards have 6’10” reach I think?

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/YkBM9NovVZw

[mystargtr34]

I’m confident the lowest Sochan would go is 12 to the Thunder.

Yeah I'm certain the Thunder would have taken him at 12 if he passed the Spurs at 9. They need size and he kind of fits their do-it-all type player they look for.

Don't think the Wizards or Knicks would have taken him at 10 or 11. After the Thunder I think he could have dropped to the Hawks at 16.

[BatManu20]

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[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs got there yamaguchi from slamdunk?

[Mr. Body]

Sochan is a guy you can legit switch onto Doncic or Harden and not completely shit your pants, no kidding.

[John B]

Yeah I'm certain the Thunder would have taken him at 12 if he passed the Spurs at 9. They need size and he kind of fits their do-it-all type player they look for.

Don't think the Wizards or Knicks would have taken him at 10 or 11. After the Thunder I think he could have dropped to the Hawks at 16.

I personally think every team needs a Sochan who can switch on 1-5 in today’s modern NBA. He is the best defensive player in the draft imo. And for that he is a steal at 9.

If Sochan can develop some kind of offensive game, which I don’t doubt because his mechanics are not bad, he will be a hell of a player.

[BatManu20]

Were already boys before the draft.

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[Mr. Body]

Were already boys before the draft.

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Is that the angle or is he twice as big as Branham?

[Chinook]

Is that the angle or is he twice as big as Branham?

Sochan didn't get measured at the combine, as far as I could tell, but Branham is 6-4 without shoes. If Sochan is a 6-9 without shoes, it would explain the size difference. Wesley is even smaller at 6-3 barefoot. Barlow is 6-9 barefoot, so he'd be considered 6-10 under the old system. That's arguably center height.

Anyways, I'm glad the top-two picks are connecting. I'm excited for the summer league.

[mystargtr34]

Is that the angle or is he twice as big as Branham?

Branham is 6'4 without shoes (so 6'5 in the old school NBA height).

Sochan has always been touted as 6'9 but he looks like he could be slightly bigger. Would have been interesting to see him measure at the combine.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sochan didn't get measured at the combine, as far as I could tell, but Branham is 6-4 without shoes. If Sochan is a 6-9 without shoes, it would explain the size difference. Wesley is even smaller at 6-3 barefoot. Barlow is 6-9 barefoot, so he'd be considered 6-10 under the old system. That's arguably center height.

Anyways, I'm glad the top-two picks are connecting. I'm excited for the summer league.

Yeah Sochan looks very big and strong in the footage from Baylor.

STers are going to be so outraged when he spends 50% of his time on the floor as a C :lol

[BatManu20]

Yea Branham measured 6’5.5 with shoes at the combine. Based on them standing beside one another, I’d imagine Sochan is a legit 6’10. Or like 6’9.5. He’s big.

[Kori Ellis]

Here's a better pic of them next to each other.

https://i.imgur.com/MvTc4HO.jpg

[BatManu20]

Yup that’s already my new sig haha

[AFBlue]

All of them young enough to continue growing and filling out.

[tbdog]

Odds of his starting game 1?

[RLT]

https://i.imgur.com/MvTc4HO.jpg

Welcome to the family

[lefty]

spurs got there yamaguchi from slamdunk?

:lol

[mystargtr34]

Man without getting too ahead of myself I am freakin stoked with this draft.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

He reminds me a lot of Marcus Smart without being a head case.

[offset formation]

Sochan is a guy you can legit switch onto Doncic or Harden and not completely shit your pants, no kidding.

Harden is the past. Can he switch onto Ja? Yes, I think he can which is all we can ask for out of a PF.

[BatManu20]

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[slick'81]

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Hes already my favorite player. Maybe it's just the hair but im a fan

[tim_duncan_fan]

He reminds me a lot of Marcus Smart without being a head case.

His hair is dyed yellow.

And this team could use a little crazy.

[BillMc]

Avery thinks he's a project who will spend the next 2 years in the G-League. That's not the narrative I've been reading.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBM9NovVZw

[John B]

I think he starts on Day 1. It makes you think we could have a legit candidate for ROY based on the role Sochan could be playing as possibly defensive anchor of the team. I’m stoked with what Chip could unfold on his shooting game. His mechanics are not bad.

[mystargtr34]

Avery Johnson sounded like he didn’t have a clue what he was talking about. Saying Sochan would spend a year or two in the G League because he only averaged 9 points a game.

[r0drig0lac]

not bad

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/1Dshn6QTisI

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Since the NCAA OFFseason began he was one of my favorites for us if we didn’t move up in the draft.

im happy with the pick

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Odds of his starting game 1?

I like Sochan chances of starting most of his rookie season but game 1……..


I don’t know. Lmao

[BatManu20]

Hes already my favorite player. Maybe it's just the hair but im a fan

Looks familiar?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV_cXKsaQAAJHZi?format=jpg&name=medium

[BatManu20]

Yea Avery’s clearly talking out of his ass here. Sochan is not going to spend the next 2 years in Austin.. :lol

[Dejounte]

This dude’s personality will be one of the most likable we’ve had since Keldon. He also reminds me of Diaw and Manu in terms of being a “man of the world”. He has very interesting views and preaches about staying in the present a lot.

also, he looks like that dude from one of my favorite recent movies: Waves

[exstatic]

Hopefully this starts to mark the end of the Spurs playing small ball. I don't know much about this guy but I have heard he's a very good defensive player, but his offense isn't good.

His SHOOTING isn't good, but he's Diaw in every way except temperment. The rest of his offense is fine.

[exstatic]

This kid sounds genuinely ecstatic to play for Pop. I think he’ll anchor the defensive culture like Draymond does. He’s a great help defense so I think he could have a positive effect on Poeltl. Needs to work with Chip which I don’t have a doubt can help him improve his shooting. Great pick!!!

My 2nd combination choice after Davis/Eason
Sochan/Jaylen, but both guards have 6’10” reach I think?

I'm pretty sure Sochan's wingspan is 7'2"

[RC_Drunkford]

I think he starts on Day 1. It makes you think we could have a legit candidate for ROY based on the role Sochan could be playing as possibly defensive anchor of the team. I’m stoked with what Chip could unfold on his shooting game. His mechanics are not bad.

starting Sochan and Poeltl would hurt the offense. He's much better suited to come off the bench with Collins tbh. Spurs can't play 2 non-shooters and we're not even sure if DJ can hit the 3 at a respectable rate

[SpurSpike]

starting Sochan and Poeltl would hurt the offense. He's much better suited to come off the bench with Collins tbh. Spurs can't play 2 non-shooters and we're not even sure if DJ can hit the 3 at a respectable rate

I was just about to say the same thing, doesn't make sense to play 2 non shooters. Only way he starts is if we trade Poeltl. Keldon will start at the 4 if we keep Peoltl.

[Darius Bieber]

Bleacher Report gave this pick a C-, one of the lowest grades for First Round picks :lol

[vy65]

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[Mr. Body]

Bleacher Report gave this pick a C-, one of the lowest grades for First Round picks :lol

I think they misrated Sochan, same as Jay Bilas, who had trouble letting it go that the Spurs took him too soon. Was the first thing when a possibly coked-up Scott Drew came on to talk about the pick for Baylor's program.

[Darius Bieber]

I think they misrated Sochan, same as Jay Bilas, who had trouble letting it go that the Spurs took him too soon. Was the first thing when a possibly coked-up Scott Drew came on to talk about the pick for Baylor's program.

Yeah I was just laughing because Bleacher Report is trash as usual. While I'm not too high on Sochan myself (wanted Duren), it wasn't worthy of a C-.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah I was just laughing because Bleacher Report is trash as usual. While I'm not too high on Sochan myself (wanted Duren), it wasn't worthy of a C-.

I can see Duren. Otherwise I don't see any players I'd obviously rank above Sochan at 9. I don't remember Bilas's top picks at that point, but he had like AJ Griffin and some other usual suspects there. He was also wildly wrong about Jaden Hardy.

[Atl Spur]

C-………lol GTFO! This man is multi faceted.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Bleacher Report gave this pick a C-, one of the lowest grades for First Round picks :lol

Good. That makes me feel even better. BR is one of the least informative basketball sites on the planet. Pure clickbait.

[The Truth #6]

The love child of dennis rodman& bruce bowen comes to our fair city:lobt2:

Perhaps Diaw could be his godfather as well? Just spitballing.

[duncan2k5]

I think he starts on Day 1. It makes you think we could have a legit candidate for ROY based on the role Sochan could be playing as possibly defensive anchor of the team. I’m stoked with what Chip could unfold on his shooting game. His mechanics are not bad.

Be prepared to be disappointed... Not only do i not think he will start on day 1... I think he will be in the g league

[John B]

I'm pretty sure Sochan's wingspan is 7'2"

I meant Malaki and Wesley. They have defensive upsides with their long wingspan.

[John B]

I was just about to say the same thing, doesn't make sense to play 2 non shooters. Only way he starts is if we trade Poeltl. Keldon will start at the 4 if we keep Peoltl.

Sochan has nice forms. If he learn to shoot, he would be most effective with Poeltl. Once and for all I like to rest the narrative that Poeltl is not effective because he had to help Keldon.

[DAF86]

Avery thinks he's a project who will spend the next 2 years in the G-League. That's not the narrative I've been reading.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBM9NovVZw

Avery doesn't know shit. :lol

[DAF86]

starting Sochan and Poeltl would hurt the offense. He's much better suited to come off the bench with Collins tbh. Spurs can't play 2 non-shooters and we're not even sure if DJ can hit the 3 at a respectable rate

I wouldn't be so sure of that. In theory, yeah, two non shooters in the sams lineup is killer in the NBA nowadays, but Sochan and Poeltl are very strong offensively on everything else. Underrated ball handlers for their position, very good passers and elite finisher at the rim. Add to that a high BBIQ and they might make it work.

And the defense, man, the defense should be something else. The Celtics proved hoe far a good defense can still take you in today's NBA, despite having a very dysfunctional offense.

[BatManu20]

I can see Duren. Otherwise I don't see any players I'd obviously rank above Sochan at 9. I don't remember Bilas's top picks at that point, but he had like AJ Griffin and some other usual suspects there. He was also wildly wrong about Jaden Hardy.

Bilas Seemed to like the pick after the draft was over with though. He was on SportsCenter and SVP asked him who he thought some of the steals in the First Round were, and 2 of the 3 players he named were Sochan and Branham. He especially liked the Branham pick and said he thought he would be a lottery pick or close to it.

[John B]

I have no doubt Chip could work on Sochan’s shooting. His shooting mechanics are not all that bad. Keldon’s was way high, almost touching the roof. Everything else on Sochan’s offense is fine, plus he is another playmaker out there. I’m sure Poeltl will benefit from his help defense and ability to find him down low. Plus Sochan ability to help Keldon recover on faster SF, allowing Keldon to play 3 and D.

Once and for all, I want to rest that narrative that Poeltl hurts from overhelping caused by Keldon.

Murray, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Poeltl

Vassell needs to get his lateral speed and be a better lockdown defender.

[RGMCSE]

Lol, you know the NBA sucks when a top ten pick is considered a draft and stash prospect to be a rotational player 3 years from now. Imagine this being the case in the NFL. The league wouldn’t exist.

[duncan2150]

I love this pick and i think it's the better one for the fit. Sochan will give us a lot of things and i really have hopes on his offensive upside. I think he will develop into a solid player.

[John B]

On paper, that defense should win some of Spurs close game. Plus Devin, Keldon, Primo, Zollins getting better, additionally DJ with the chip on his shoulder. I can see them like the Coach Bud’s young Hawks before, overachieving. Sochan could be very infectious, on top of Keldon’s.

Wow Keldon and Sochan could be the new Bad Boys :ihit

[Atl Spur]

On paper, that defense should win some of Spurs close game. Plus Devin, Keldon, Primo, Zollins getting better, additionally DJ with the chip on his shoulder. I can see them like the Coach Bud’s young Hawks before, overachieving. Sochan could be very infectious, on top of Keldon’s.

Wow Keldon and Sochan could be the new Bad Boys :ihit

It’s gonna be fun!

[The Truth #6]

Yak
Jeremy
Vassel
JRich
DJ

This would be our best defensive lineup? Thinking.

[John B]

Yak
Jeremy
Vassel
JRich
DJ

This would be our best defensive lineup? Thinking.

J-Rich is actually not a bad lockdown defender. And all others are great help defenders.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Granted his shooting numbers were shit in his freshman year, but I don't think we can write him off already in terms of not being able to start him along side Jakob. His shooting could improve a little come October that his defense, passing and rebounding along with at least mediocre shooting will be worth starting him. He can slash too and get to the rim off the dribble so even if his shooting is still bad this season he can still be really effective offensively imo.

[BatManu20]

Bilas Seemed to like the pick after the draft was over with though. He was on SportsCenter and SVP asked him who he thought some of the steals in the First Round were, and 2 of the 3 players he named were Sochan and Branham. He especially liked the Branham pick and said he thought he would be a lottery pick or close to it.

Here’s what I’m referring to.

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[RC_Drunkford]

I believe his jump shot will come along, but it‘s hard for me to see Pop starting a player in the NBA who was a bench player in college

[spurraider21]

i watch his clips.

his feel for the game is amazing. Reminds me of Rodman.
he actually has a feel for offense. definitely some kirilenko/draymond vibes on that end

[objective]

For people who watched the full games: how is his rebounding?

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV_OPrhWAAASBMi?format=jpg&name=large

[duncan2150]

For people who watched the full games: how is his rebounding?

I feel he's a good rebounder.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1498425480269086722

I throw back this, interesting and you have some about rebounds.

[RC_Drunkford]

I feel he's a good rebounder.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1498425480269086722

I throw back this, interesting and you have some about rebounds.

If he learns how to shoot he will be a match up nightmare for opposing teams

[pad300]

Be prepared to be disappointed... Not only do i not think he will start on day 1... I think he will be in the g league

Could see it. If the brain trust decides the best way to fix his shot is with a lot of in-game reps, it'd make sense to put him the G-league as featured guy and get him a ton of shots...

[Mr. Body]

I feel he's a good rebounder.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1498425480269086722

I throw back this, interesting and you have some about rebounds.

Rare to have a player who's just fun to watch on defense. His reactions and fast twitch decisions are special. He does make mistakes -- he just turned 19 -- but Pop and any other coach is going to love him.

[KingKev]

I think they misrated Sochan, same as Jay Bilas, who had trouble letting it go that the Spurs took him too soon. Was the first thing when a possibly coked-up Scott Drew came on to talk about the pick for Baylor's program.

Hahaha he was lit up for sure

[lefty20]

I don't see him being stuck in G League, but I also don't see him starting games, at least in the early part of the season. He will come of the bench cuz of the D and be asked to stand in the corner on the offensive side and launch the occasional 3. Basically the rookie Nephew role, iirc. Primo/Jones/Zollins should handle most of the offense in that unit.

[cutewizard]

Guys, how does he compare to Kawhi upon entry?

Curious to know your thoughts

[EmantheSpursFan]

I feel he's a good rebounder.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1498425480269086722

I throw back this, interesting and you have some about rebounds.

Thanks for the video! This pumps me up for next season!

[Mr. Body]

Guys, how does he compare to Kawhi upon entry?

Curious to know your thoughts

Sochan (a freshman) actually shot a titch better from three than Kawhi (a sophomore) by .005%, but worse from the stripe. Sochan shot a good bit better overall, but carried less of an offensive load. Kawhi has him in most advanced stats, but not by a ton, and again was a year older coming out. (https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jeremy-sochan--kawhi-leonard)

Kawhi feels more like a 3/4 and strictly a 3 the way the NBA was, Sochan maybe more of a 4/5 or strict 4 and I believe he's taller. Kawhi feels like a more impressive individual defender coming out of college, Sochan is sort of more of a better team defender. Strangely a 'connector' defender, which is honestly not a category I think exists necessarily.

tl/dr:

Kawhi - more of an SF, incredible man-to-man and individual defender, carried more of an offensive load, a prickly, non-team-oriented asshole
Sochan - more of a PF, great team and switch defender, less of a scorer, perhaps a better facilitator, younger by a year, a charming personality

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeVorkunov/status/1539396171583586305

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/basketbllnews/status/1540486555608940545

[TDMVPDPOY]

sochan ceiling if he bulks up say 10-15lbs...ceiling higher then prime odom

[Maddog]

I feel he's a good rebounder.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1498425480269086722

I throw back this, interesting and you have some about rebounds.

As much as I hate player comps- you see some shades of Diaw there.
Also like the intensity. Plays hard

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWD3j06WIAgb0hG?format=jpg&name=large

[Ice009]

You guys think Tim Duncan is going to want to work with him? I wonder if he has piqued Tim's interest enough to spend some quality time working with this kid. I hope so.

[kobyz]

What the difference between Sochan and Scootie Barnes coming out of college?

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV_EvlzWIAAaKht?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWE2Tx9X0AAZbcM?format=jpg&name=large

[Mr. Body]

What the difference between Sochan and Scootie Barnes coming out of college?

Kind of interesting to look stat-wise. I believe they both came off the bench. Barnes was the much better facilitator, Sochan better rebounder. One's more of an SF, the other a PF. Sochan a better shooter from deep. I was surprised to see Sochan beats Barnes in most advanced stats.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jeremy-sochan--scottie-barnes

[polandprzem]

cool

[Dejounte]

There is a difference between a poor shooter who’s willing to shoot and a poor shooter who’s scared to shoot

we saw all the takes about Murray being a lesser version of Ben Simmons because they’re both play point and both were poor shooters

those takes expired when Murray took his game to the next level with improved shooting which he would have never been able to do if he had a mental block like Simmons

The good thing is that Sochan was a willing shooter in college. In fact, he shot twice as many 3s as Scottie Barnes did in college: 80 to 40 attempts.

i have no doubt Sochan will improve his percentages in the NBA. The biggest and most important thing was he didn’t need to be given confidence to go out there and shoot. He shoots it.

But im not really worried about that aspect of his game. If this dude is really going to be a jumbo playmaker for us, then he really opens up the game. It would be less of a priority to find a third true point guard that fits, if that is the case.

Sochan’s shooting isn’t the cap to his ceiling as much as people think it is. If he turns out to be exceptional at defense and passing, he’s going to gain NBA fans who appreciate his game and may even vote him in to All Star Games. With his hair, his brit personality being similar to Steven Adams, this guy has an easy appeal to the masses.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/WZlVtAwR3D8

here’s Sochan being able to play more free. A really fluid basketball player

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

There is a difference between a poor shooter who’s willing to shoot and a poor shooter who’s scared to shoot

we saw all the takes about Murray being a lesser version of Ben Simmons because they’re both play point and both were poor shooters

those takes expired when Murray took his game to the next level with improved shooting which he would have never been able to do if he had a mental block like Simmons

The good thing is that Sochan was a willing shooter in college. In fact, he shot twice as many 3s as Scottie Barnes did in college: 80 to 40 attempts.

i have no doubt Sochan will improve his percentages in the NBA. The biggest and most important thing was he didn’t need to be given confidence to go out there and shoot. He shoots it.

But im not really worried about that aspect of his game. If this dude is really going to be a jumbo playmaker for us, then he really opens up the game. It would be less of a priority to find a third true point guard that fits, if that is the case.

Sochan’s shooting isn’t the cap to his ceiling as much as people think it is. If he turns out to be exceptional at defense and passing, he’s going to gain NBA fans who appreciate his game and may even vote him in to All Star Games. With his hair, his brit personality being similar to Steven Adams, this guy has an easy appeal to the masses.


literally everything I said before the draft about the guy.

his shot doesn’t look broken even though his percentages aren’t the greatest and most importantly he isn’t afraid to shoot the ball.

I think his confidence in his shooting is going to help him get his shooting percentages up. He most likely will never become a dead eye shooter but I think he will at least be league average from 3 and in the 70’s from the line when it’s all said and done.

dude is a really good player and I’m very happy we got him.

[Dejounte]

The Spurs should make a play to get OG Anunoby and Steven Adams on the team. Interviews will be hella fun with all these brits.

Poeltl to TOR for OG.
JRich, McDermott for Steven Adams

didnt check the salaries if they match, but oh well

Murray/ Wesley/ Tre
Vassell/ Primo/
Keldon/ Malaki
OG/ Sochan/ KBD
Adams/ Collins/ Landale

[Ice009]

Steven Adams is from New Zealand.

[BatManu20]

Rodman 2.0


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[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs should make a play to get OG Anunoby and Steven Adams on the team. Interviews will be hella fun with all these brits.

Poeltl to TOR for OG.
JRich, McDermott for Steven Adams

didnt check the salaries if they match, but oh well

Murray/ Wesley/ Tre
Vassell/ Primo/
Keldon/ Malaki
OG/ Sochan/ KBD
Adams/ Collins/ Landale

OG is definitely my top trade choice, but I wouldn't mind John Collins either that way we can keep Poeltl

[BatManu20]

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[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/n_magaro/status/1540744395946954752

[RC_Drunkford]

of course Sochan picks Rodamn's old number :lol I love it

[R. DeMurre]

https://twitter.com/MikeVorkunov/status/1539396171583586305

This is one of the many reasons I like this guy so much. The "joy in shutting people down" should be Basketball 101 for anyone looking to be a complete and versatile player, but it's amazing how few young prospects talk about it. Sochan will never have to be pressured or coached into playing D, or keeping the ball movement crisp, or any of those other important fundamentals. He gets it already. He approaches the game like a coach, not like a dude whose main goal is to be on the ESPN highlight reels.

[BatManu20]

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[emanueldavidginobili]

https://youtu.be/WZlVtAwR3D8

here’s Sochan being able to play more free. A really fluid basketball player
Damn he’s 17 in this video and competing against grown men, that’s huge. Didn’t look intimidated at all in this video.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWHg9SHXwAA8q7u?format=jpg&name=large

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Matthew_Tynan/status/1540733447546605569

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/1540731833050025984

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1540751450506133505

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWHjXycVUAAWtNd?format=jpg&name=large

[Atl Spur]

There is a difference between a poor shooter who’s willing to shoot and a poor shooter who’s scared to shoot

we saw all the takes about Murray being a lesser version of Ben Simmons because they’re both play point and both were poor shooters

those takes expired when Murray took his game to the next level with improved shooting which he would have never been able to do if he had a mental block like Simmons

The good thing is that Sochan was a willing shooter in college. In fact, he shot twice as many 3s as Scottie Barnes did in college: 80 to 40 attempts.

i have no doubt Sochan will improve his percentages in the NBA. The biggest and most important thing was he didn’t need to be given confidence to go out there and shoot. He shoots it.

But im not really worried about that aspect of his game. If this dude is really going to be a jumbo playmaker for us, then he really opens up the game. It would be less of a priority to find a third true point guard that fits, if that is the case.

Sochan’s shooting isn’t the cap to his ceiling as much as people think it is. If he turns out to be exceptional at defense and passing, he’s going to gain NBA fans who appreciate his game and may even vote him in to All Star Games. With his hair, his brit personality being similar to Steven Adams, this guy has an easy appeal to the masses.

^All of this

[JPB]

You understand why he seems like a good kid when you hear her mother. That pick gets better by the day.

[Ariel]

The Spurs should make a play to get OG Anunoby and Steven Adams on the team. Interviews will be hella fun with all these brits.

Poeltl to TOR for OG.
JRich, McDermott for Steven Adams
Toronto drafted Koloko and Charlotte (another team in desperate need for a C) drafted Mark Williams. That leaves only the Bulls as the team in urgent need of a rim protector, so for the time being it's them, or maybe some other team (Toronto?) at the trade deadline if something happens (injuries, Koloko not cutting it, etc.). But in any case, I think the market for Poeltl has diminished for the time being... which may be good news if they plan to extend him.

[Dejounte]

Toronto drafted Koloko and Charlotte (another team in desperate need for a C) drafted Mark Williams. That leaves only the Bulls as the team in urgent need of a rim protector, so for the time being it's them, or maybe some other team (Toronto?) at the trade deadline if something happens (injuries, Koloko not cutting it, etc.). But in any case, I think the market for Poeltl has diminished for the time being... which may be good news if they plan to extend him.


I don’t think they’re banking on Koloko to be the guy that solves their center issues. Down the road, maybe.

[BatManu20]

1540733332543135746

[Ariel]

I don’t think they’re banking on Koloko to be the guy that solves their center issues. Down the road, maybe.
I agree, but I think they'll put off plans until they have more concrete evidence, i.e. at the trade deadline. If they don't like Koloko, he's back in play. But if he is halfway competent, they're got going to give up a piece such as OG for a non star center. Hope it happens though.

[CGD]

Toronto drafted Koloko and Charlotte (another team in desperate need for a C) drafted Mark Williams. That leaves only the Bulls as the team in urgent need of a rim protector, so for the time being it's them, or maybe some other team (Toronto?) at the trade deadline if something happens (injuries, Koloko not cutting it, etc.). But in any case, I think the market for Poeltl has diminished for the time being... which may be good news if they plan to extend him.

Jakob for Mark Williams & Plumlee’s Contract?

:-)

[T Park]

Jakob for Mark Williams & Plumlee’s Contract?

:-)

Kupcheck (sp) ain’t that dumb

[BatManu20]

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[kobyz]

Next week Poland national team is playing in world cup qualification tournament, is Sochan gonna play?

[timvp]

Sochan might not be the 10/10 entertainment value of Lil Shine but he'll be a solid 9/10 :lol

[rascal]

Toronto drafted Koloko and Charlotte (another team in desperate need for a C) drafted Mark Williams. That leaves only the Bulls as the team in urgent need of a rim protector, so for the time being it's them, or maybe some other team (Toronto?) at the trade deadline if something happens (injuries, Koloko not cutting it, etc.). But in any case, I think the market for Poeltl has diminished for the time being... which may be good news if they plan to extend him.

Bad news, they needed to trade him before the draft. They're going to bring back the same team except for the three rookies.

[rascal]

Sochan might not be the 10/10 entertainment value of Lil Shine but he'll be a solid 9/10 :lol

Sharpe will be dropping 20+ on him.

[rascal]

The Spurs are the least watchable team in the league, boring players.

[offset formation]

1540794820142043138

Is he saying he's melting from the heat?

[TD 21]

I don't buy this starting early on notion. A starting lineup with Murray, Sochan and Poeltl is untenable offensively.

A second unit with Jones, Sochan and Collins isn't much better, but the latter can at least feign spacing the floor and they won't spend as much time against front line players/units.

[rascal]

I heard it's 100 degrees in SA.

[BatManu20]

Is he saying he's melting from the heat?

No he’s suggesting he really wants to win a championship. Melting at the thought of it.

[rascal]

Jakob for Mark Williams & Plumlee’s Contract?

:-)

Spurs missed their opportunity to trade Poeltl. They needed to move him before the draft.

[BatManu20]

I heard it's 100 degrees in SA.

Just about every day from June-August, yea :lol

[rascal]

No he’s suggesting he really wants to win a championship. Melting at the thought of it.

Must feel he just stepped into Hell with the Heat there.

[BatManu20]

Must feel he just stepped into Hell with the Heat there.

Prob but he lived in Waco last year while at Baylor which is only a couple hours away so he knows the deal.

[offset formation]

I don't buy this starting early on notion. A starting lineup with Murray, Sochan and Poeltl is untenable offensively.

A second unit with Jones, Sochan and Collins isn't much better, but the latter can at least feign spacing the floor and they won't spend as much time against front line players/units.

In doing some thinking about this, our offensive game plan is about to enter its fourth turning, if you will. I don't know if pop is gonna be able to manage ball access appropriately for the new era given hes never had a big man like Sochan before. But this will ultimately be the fourth total overhaul to the Spurs offensive system in Pop's tenure.

We essentially drafted Ben Simmons. We now have or will soon have a Point Forward. His ball handling and agility are gonna demand the ball at the top of the key. You then turn what would be a PG into a wing. Perhaps this is what PATFO is building?

[offset formation]

Imagining a PnR with Sochan and Poeltl.

[Kurik]

Prob but he lived in Waco last year while at Baylor which is only a couple hours away so he knows the deal.

Yup, also born in Oklahoma and lived there for a bit.

[rascal]

Sochan might not be the 10/10 entertainment value of Lil Shine but he'll be a solid 9/10 :lol

Sochan has a more interesting personality but Sharpe a more exciting game on the court.

[rascal]

Yup, also born in Oklahoma and lived there for a bit.

How long did he live in OK? Probably moved out of there when he was very young.

[KingKev]

He choose #10 for his jersey

Rodman vyyyybz

[Ignazzz]

Sochan has a more interesting personality but Sharpe a more exciting game on the court.
So and RW too

[Ariel]

Sochan has a more interesting personality but Sharpe a more exciting game on the court.
I don't know what game it is you're talking about, but it can't be basketball since we've seen nothing from Sharpe that could qualify as such.
I'd take the next clip 100 times out of 100 over Sharpe's same old jumping and dunking stunt. Watching Sharpe's clip in loop feels like eating refined sugar... after a while you've just had enough and want no more of it. I get the same feeling from watching him talk. I'd much rather watch the clip Dejounte posted above.

[KingKev]

Sochan might not be the 10/10 entertainment value of Lil Shine but he'll be a solid 9/10 :lol

Polack Shine

[BatManu20]

First photos from today’s Rookie Media Day are here. Our boys are lookin’ good.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWIoRRtWYAIJUTV?format=jpg&name=large

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWIoc_4WAAUvoaZ?format=jpg&name=large

[TDMVPDPOY]

if u can had the chance to buy a 10# jersey....rodman or sochan?... how about gaze?

[lefty]

if u can had the chance to buy a 10# jersey....rodman or sochan?... how about gaze?

Andrew Gaze for sure

And the centrepiece of course, Keith Bogans

[tonight...you]

Andrew Gaze for sure

And the centrepiece of course, Keith Bogans
Bow thy head, heathen, to the Head of the Snake!

[Cardinal]

Do we think Sochan is a legit 6'9" looking at the photos from today? I'm a little skeptical.

[Maddog]

Sochan might not be the 10/10 entertainment value of Lil Shine but he'll be a solid 9/10 :lol


Sochan is quickly whisked away for more media. He tells a reporter from San Antonio that he's going to the perfect place to work on his shooting mechanics, he answers a few questions in Polish and he pledges to bring energy and be a sponge.

This is really going to bring in the Falls City, Poth and Panna Maria Crowd!

[Ariel]

Do we think Sochan is a legit 6'9" looking at the photos from today? I'm a little skeptical.
No guy is their listed height, but if Wesley measured at 6'3" without shoes and Branham at 6'4", then Sochan I'd say is about 6'7"

[slick'81]

Jeremy definitely looks closer to 6'8

[Dejounte]

https://i.ibb.co/y88S9Rr/BD09-EAE1-6948-46-EF-97-C0-ACB1-C014-B21-A.png

[Dejounte]

Is Duren 6’9” then?

https://i.ibb.co/28Sg4Hs/6-C3811-D0-1-C3-A-4128-A867-5-FD466715-B2-B.png

[exstatic]

Toronto drafted Koloko and Charlotte (another team in desperate need for a C) drafted Mark Williams. That leaves only the Bulls as the team in urgent need of a rim protector, so for the time being it's them, or maybe some other team (Toronto?) at the trade deadline if something happens (injuries, Koloko not cutting it, etc.). But in any case, I think the market for Poeltl has diminished for the time being... which may be good news if they plan to extend him.
Koloko isn’t a win now player, and bigs take longer than any other position to develop.

[AFBlue]

Do we think Sochan is a legit 6'9" looking at the photos from today? I'm a little skeptical.

Who cares? What does it matter?

[rascal]

I don't know what game it is you're talking about, but it can't be basketball since we've seen nothing from Sharpe that could qualify as such.
I'd take the next clip 100 times out of 100 over Sharpe's same old jumping and dunking stunt. Watching Sharpe's clip in loop feels like eating refined sugar... after a while you've just had enough and want no more of it. I get the same feeling from watching him talk. I'd much rather watch the clip Dejounte posted above.

Sharpe is going to be a beast in the NBA. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the best player in this draft. You can't teach his athleticism.

Damian Lillard wanted him after he saw his skills.

[rascal]

Koloko isn’t a win now player, and bigs take longer than any other position to develop.

Koloko looks very unrefined and raw and who knows if he is skilled enough to make it in the NBA.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sharpe is going to be a beast in the NBA. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the best player in this draft. You can't teach his athleticism.

Damian Lillard wanted him after he saw his skills.

you know it all man, you should be a GM :lol

[Ariel]

Great picture. Going by the measurements w/o shoes at the combine, in the first row we have (left to right):


Jalen Williams: 6'4.5"
Johnny Davis: 6'4.25"
Bennedict Mathurin: 6'4.5"
Agbaji: 6'4.5"
Malaki Branham: 6'4"

So going by that, it seems our friend rascal's idol is more like 6'2"/6'3" and Ivey is about 6'2"
In the back:


Tari Eason: 6'6.75"
Dyson Daniels: 6'6"

Sochan seems taller than Keegan Murray, and a tad shorter than Duren. I'd say Sochan is 6'8" and Duren is 6'9"

[Ariel]

Kessler measured at 7' 0.25'' and is HUGE next to Duren, same with Chet. Banchero must be a true 6'10" w/o shoes

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWI_2XgWAAAWHRU?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWI_00cX0AA6X0s?format=jpg&name=large

[slick'81]

Is Duren 6’9” then?

https://i.ibb.co/28Sg4Hs/6-C3811-D0-1-C3-A-4128-A867-5-FD466715-B2-B.png

6'10

[BatManu20]

Jeremy definitely looks closer to 6'8

Yea I think he’s definitely closer 6’8. Here’s a picture of he and teammate Kendall Brown, who measured 6’7.5 with shoes on at the combine. They’re not back-to-back but they’re pretty similar in size.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBoExmIXIAApu4I.jpg:large

[BatManu20]

1540779774770958336

[tim_duncan_fan]

Do we even have the coaching staff to get the most out of this guy?

I mean no, our players are not exactly good at basketball relative to other NBA teams, but they rarely even looked like someone had attempted to prepare them, if we are absolutely honest.

[exstatic]

ST, in full on, obsess over players heights, and post pictures where you really can’t be sure who’s closer to the camera mode.

[KingKev]

ST, in full on, obsess over players heights, and post pictures where you really can’t be sure who’s closer to the camera mode.

My favourite is when they edit the picture in Microsoft paint and draw two parallel lines: shoulders and head.

[rascal]

Yup, also born in Oklahoma and lived there for a bit.

Only lived there for the first two years of his life.

That doesn't make a difference, seems like the heat is not a big deal for him or any of them although Wesley said he didn't like it.

[BatManu20]

ST, in full on, obsess over players heights, and post pictures where you really can’t be sure who’s closer to the camera mode.

Omg comparing heights is so obsessive! Look how obsessed we are! Crazy.

[Killakobe81]

Been quiet. Great pick this a late 90s to mid 2000s Spur guy. Looks like Kuzma plus plays like the PF version of Stephen Jackson in all the hood ways tough physical and timely shit making. Talks a little trash. When pop wants to spurs ti get nasty he already lives there. I honestly don’t hate spurs just some of the assholes that shit on the Lakers on dumb shit, great pick at this spot and he easily could have been anywhere as high as 7 to me based on intangibles.

[offset formation]

Been quiet. Great pick this a late 90s to mid 2000s Spur guy. Looks like Kuzma plus plays like the PF version of Stephen Jackson in all the hood ways tough physical and timely shit making. Talks a little trash. When pop wants to spurs ti get nasty he already lives there. I honestly don’t hate spurs just some of the assholes that shit on the Lakers on dumb shit, great pick at this spot and he easily could have been anywhere as high as 7 to me based on intangibles.

Honest question. Do you really, like truly understand where Laker hatred comes from for most non-Laker fans?

You guys are the definition of being born on 3rd base, yet some (though not all) then forget you have every advantage in the world. You very rarely have to draft your way to success like 90% of the franchises do. You guys merely have to wait for free-agency, then offer the best free agents the beauty and glitz of LA, then you reload/re-stock.

No way in hell LeBron goes to the Lakers when he did aside from this fact. No way Brow goes. Etc back through time.

And if you fans would at least acknowledge that, most of the hatred would evaporate to at least just hating the king of the hill stuff.

[DAF86]

I don't know what it is, but this guy just seems to have that "it" factor.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/manuginobili/status/1541103814534627333

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWKYv-SWIAAmXqN?format=jpg&name=large

[Dejounte]

I don't know what it is, but this guy just seems to have that "it" factor.

He has got a certain aura about him where it feels like other players will rally around him. I think he’s a future leader.

[RC_Drunkford]

He has got a certain aura about him where it feels like other players will rally around him. I think he’s a future leader.

what I like about this draft is that this team is getting some identity. Sochan seems to fit well with the other personalities on the team while also being completely different. Feels like he can be the emotional leader of the team

[Kurik]

Do we even have the coaching staff to get the most out of this guy?

I mean no, our players are not exactly good at basketball relative to other NBA teams, but they rarely even looked like someone had attempted to prepare them, if we are absolutely honest.

This is such a bad take lol, the strength of the spurs staff is development they just haven’t had a lot of talent to work with.

[TD 21]

In doing some thinking about this, our offensive game plan is about to enter its fourth turning, if you will. I don't know if pop is gonna be able to manage ball access appropriately for the new era given hes never had a big man like Sochan before. But this will ultimately be the fourth total overhaul to the Spurs offensive system in Pop's tenure.

We essentially drafted Ben Simmons. We now have or will soon have a Point Forward. His ball handling and agility are gonna demand the ball at the top of the key. You then turn what would be a PG into a wing. Perhaps this is what PATFO is building?

Sochan is not Simmons. He's more connector than creator offensively.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wooden13/status/1541118251094228992

[Dejounte]

Sochan is not Simmons. He's more connector than creator offensively.

Unless there’s hidden talent there as a facilitator, I agree.

Seems like he will be like Lamar Odom but with much better defense. It sounds like a really good player in theory.

[Ariel]

Seems like he will be like Lamar Odom but with much better defense.
And much less coke.

[Dejounte]

Jumbo playmaker is my favorite NBA player archetype and the type I usually create in 2K. Really hope they work overtime and mold this dude into something unexpected like they did Kawhi. He has a nice canvas to work with.

[Killakobe81]

Honest question. Do you really, like truly understand where Laker hatred comes from for most non-Laker fans?

You guys are the definition of being born on 3rd base, yet some (though not all) then forget you have every advantage in the world. You very rarely have to draft your way to success like 90% of the franchises do. You guys merely have to wait for free-agency, then offer the best free agents the beauty and glitz of LA, then you reload/re-stock.

No way in hell LeBron goes to the Lakers when he did aside from this fact. No way Brow goes. Etc back through time.

And if you fans would at least acknowledge that, most of the hatred would evaporate to at least just hating the king of the hill stuff.

I fully acknowledge that L.A. has advantages location and weather being two huge ones along with Hollywood connections etc. That being said Clippers had those some advantages even had a HoF PG skew of lottery picks and even lured Kawhi but still haven’t won shit. The Jerry’s both Buss and West deserve credit for making the most of being on third base. What Spurs have done is very impressive but let’s not act like a tank and a ping pong ball that chose spurs over Celtics aren’t contributing factors. Also with all the bitching about astern or refs one of the biggest playoff rulings went in the Spurs favor over Suns. Lakernation even me at times can be insufferable and entitled. But my issue with some Spur fans it’s always a fix when things favor LAKERS or Warriors more recently but when Spurs win it’s on the up and up and they overcame the refs. Come on now, can’t have it both ways.

[Dejounte]

The number one guy who abused us last season was Kuminga. I’m glad his ass won’t be able to do the same thing this upcoming season.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/S1nSgdqC9Wg

Continuing my deep dive with watching full Baylor games

things that arent captured much in highlights:

at 13:22 of this video, he switched on i think five different occasions. Ochai made the shot, but still. Crazy. The pick and roll game he runs after that is really nice too.

[Dejounte]

The defensive execution at 23:18 is beautiful too and reminds me of old school Spurs defense. He made an intelligent decision to provide help defense at exactly the right time. He saw it before it happened.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://youtu.be/S1nSgdqC9Wg

Continuing my deep dive with watching full Baylor games

things that arent captured much in highlights:

at 13:22 of this video, he switched on i think five different occasions. Ochai made the shot, but still. Crazy. The pick and roll game he runs after that is really nice too.

there is our point of attack defender

[Dejounte]

More observations:

Sochan is seen barking to his teammates (or the other team?) on defense. Seems he’s very communicative on the floor.

and one thing I love… he boxes out. That has been a major critique of mine of these past Spurs teams. That would help Poeltl or whoever is the next center is immensely.

[Atl Spur]

Sochan is super versatile ……. He can play sf in a big lineup. Dj, DV, JS. Jalen smith (fa), poodle

[Atl Spur]

Sochan is super versatile ……. He can play sf in a big lineup. Dj, DV, JS. Jalen smith (fa), poodle

[Dejounte]

At 40:28 is another great defensive play that doesnt show up on highlights. He prevents the pass to the center and then makes the shooter miss.

[Atl Spur]

Sochan is super versatile ……. He can play sf in a big lineup. Dj, DV, JS. Jalen smith (fa), poodle

[ginobilized]

Sochan, Vassell, Poetl and DJ will be fun to watch on D.

Thanks for the Baylor game, Dejounte!

[ginobilized]

Sochan, Vassell, Poetl and DJ will be fun to watch on D.

Thanks for the Baylor game, Dejounte!

[KingKev]

And much less coke.

and opiods!!! His book is a great read by the way. A funny Tim Duncan story in there from 2002 Team USA

[KingKev]

And much less coke.

and opiods!!! His book is a great read by the way. A funny Tim Duncan story in there from 2002 Team USA

[KingKev]

Sochan is super versatile ……. He can play sf in a big lineup. Dj, DV, JS. Jalen smith (fa), poodle

I am intrigued in his ability to play out on the wing but if he plays out of position it’ll be at the 5 I suspect.

[R. DeMurre]

I am intrigued in his ability to play out on the wing but if he plays out of position it’ll be at the 5 I suspect.

Last year, Evan Mobley spent time at C, PF, and SF... hoping Sochan can do something similar.

[R. DeMurre]

I can definitely picture some end of quarter defensive possessions where a line up of Poeltl, Zollins, & Sochan makes great sense.

[Ice009]

and opiods!!! His book is a great read by the way. A funny Tim Duncan story in there from 2002 Team USA

What's the TD story (I assume this is Lamar's book?)?

[Spursfanfromafar]

https://twitter.com/wooden13/status/1541118251094228992

This is really good stuff. Solid, objective analysis of a polished Polish player.

[KingKev]

What's the TD story (I assume this is Lamar's book?)?

Spoiler alert…

at the Olympics in Greece in 2004 they were all staying on a cruise ship in Athens as their hotel. They had very strict security due to terrorist threats so they all bonded very closely. Two stories about Timmy:

Someone covered AI in peanut butter one night when he passed out after they were partying and AI was livid and wanted to know who it was. No one would rat but Timmy told AI.

Another night AI created a diversion so the guys could escape the boat and go party in Athens. NBA police rolled up on all of them outside the club and took them back to the cruise ship where they all were reprimanded except Timmy who was the only player not to go.

That team was arguably the most talented Team USA squad since the original Dream Team and failed miserably as you know.

Odom had some great stories about those Olympics. Whole book is great. He had a wild ride from Queens to the pros, to Hollywood to his death bed and back.

[NickiRasgo]

ST, in full on, obsess over players heights, and post pictures where you really can’t be sure who’s closer to the camera mode.

I'm done being obsessed with measurements just only good to have. I value more the feel/maturity of the game, IQ, and potential.
Desmond Bane literally have a "T-Rex" arm length yet so valuable. Didn't like him in the draft because of his measurements but he proved that it doesn't necessary esp. in today's NBA playstyle.

[TD 21]

Last year, Evan Mobley spent time at C, PF, and SF... hoping Sochan can do something similar.

Mostly a product of roster construction. Mobley is clearly a C (even if he is too scrawny at the moment to bang with the Jokic's and Embiid's of the league).

Sochan is clearly a PF. He's not a rim protector or good enough defensive rebounder to credibly play small ball C and his ball skills aren't good enough to get by as an oversized SF (he'll likely defend them some though).



That team was arguably the most talented Team USA squad since the original Dream Team and failed miserably as you know.

:lmao That team was a mess. Only the '21 team is even in contention with it for worst in the NBA era ('92-).

[KingKev]

Mostly a product of roster construction. Mobley is clearly a C (even if he is too scrawny at the moment to bang with the Jokic's and Embiid's of the league).

Sochan is clearly a PF. He's not a rim protector or good enough defensive rebounder to credibly play small ball C and his ball skills aren't good enough to get by as an oversized SF (he'll likely defend them some though).




:lmao That team was a mess. Only the '21 team is even in contention with it for worst in the NBA era ('92-).

They absolutely were a mess but look at that roster and tell me that wasn’t an insane amount of talent.

[TD 21]

They absolutely were a mess but look at that roster and tell me that wasn’t an insane amount of talent.

It wasn't. Only Duncan and maybe Iverson could have reasonably been called superstars. Marbury and Marion were the only other stars (and the latter was more so a complimentary sort). Odom and Jefferson were top starters. James, Wade, Anthony, Stoudemire and Boozer hadn't yet broken out and Okafor hadn't yet played a game in the NBA.

[ace3g]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfUSMuUDXek/

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Brought me back to spurstalk to read what others think. I like the jersy number selection to match the hair.

[cutewizard]

Sochan (a freshman) actually shot a titch better from three than Kawhi (a sophomore) by .005%, but worse from the stripe. Sochan shot a good bit better overall, but carried less of an offensive load. Kawhi has him in most advanced stats, but not by a ton, and again was a year older coming out. (https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=jeremy-sochan--kawhi-leonard)

Kawhi feels more like a 3/4 and strictly a 3 the way the NBA was, Sochan maybe more of a 4/5 or strict 4 and I believe he's taller. Kawhi feels like a more impressive individual defender coming out of college, Sochan is sort of more of a better team defender. Strangely a 'connector' defender, which is honestly not a category I think exists necessarily.

tl/dr:

Kawhi - more of an SF, incredible man-to-man and individual defender, carried more of an offensive load, a prickly, non-team-oriented asshole
Sochan - more of a PF, great team and switch defender, less of a scorer, perhaps a better facilitator, younger by a year, a charming personality

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Thanks a lot Sir

[cutewizard]

http://www.postprime.pl/2022/06/26/who-is-jeremy-sochan/

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWS2IEgWYAEIxfe?format=jpg&name=large

[KingKev]

It wasn't. Only Duncan and maybe Iverson could have reasonably been called superstars. Marbury and Marion were the only other stars (and the latter was more so a complimentary sort). Odom and Jefferson were top starters. James, Wade, Anthony, Stoudemire and Boozer hadn't yet broken out and Okafor hadn't yet played a game in the NBA.

Fair enough; Steph and AI were never going to be able to lead LBJ, Melo. Wade etc.

It’s actually Kobe’s fault the 04 team didn’t win gold. If he didn’t get caught up with that chick he would have been the perfect leader to keep that team focused. Instead it was AI.

Back to the thread though if Lamar Odom is a fair Sochan comp that’s pretty encouraging.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/gJUgUp8KfZo

15 year old Jeremy with a bit of swag at the end of the video

[KingKev]

^ nice. He is the first pick i’ve been excited for in a VERY long time.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/r53Gw7cXnHQ

he was apparently mvp of this fiba u16 tournament

dunking on fools left and right and displayed some pull up jumpers

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/r53Gw7cXnHQ

he was apparently mvp of this fiba u16 tournament

dunking on fools left and right and displayed some pull up jumpers

He's been handling the rock for a long time.

[skin27]

Is he our new future superstar or a tradr asset to get first pick?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Is he our new future superstar or a tradr asset to get first pick?

This is the Spurs forum, not the Thunder's.

[Killakobe81]

Is he our new future superstar or a tradr asset to get first pick?

Neither but I can see him as a #3 on title team which people underestimate how important that role is.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWWTa6BXwAERHdY?format=jpg&name=large

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWWbNrJXEAMaJsm?format=jpg&name=large

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWWbcWtWIAAeeni?format=jpg&name=large

[KingKev]

Might be the first pick that doesn’t even sniff Austin.

[BatManu20]

ESPN: the worldwide leader in sports.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWV_cmeUcAAeH-4?format=jpg&name=large

[JPB]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWWTa6BXwAERHdY?format=jpg&name=large

Sochan: " Damn, Wesley looks like a teen..."
Wesley: "Damn, Sochan looks like Rodman..."

[KingKev]

ESPN: the worldwide leader in sports.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWV_cmeUcAAeH-4?format=jpg&name=large

Second only to Bleacher Report the pinnacle of Sports journalism.

[offset formation]

He's been handling the rock for a long time.

Like I've been saying from watching some of these tapes from before Baylor (now that he was our draft pick), we drafted a potential much better version of Ben Simmons, assuming he develops his outside shot.

Which is great, but it has ramifications for who is going to be our PG a year or two down the road, assuming we trade Murray. Only so many ball handlers to go around. Makes others become SG or SF if your PF becomes your Point Forward.

[The Truth #6]

That’s the dream scenario. Long way to go, short time to get there?

[RC_Drunkford]

Is he our new future superstar or a tradr asset to get first pick?

I think Spurs should trade him at the deadline for a 2032 first rounder. There's this 9 year old kid out here who's destroying 13 year olds. By the time he's draft eligible we need to make a run at him to get our franchise player. Sochan is not a franchise player so he's worthless

[TD 21]

Fair enough; Steph and AI were never going to be able to lead LBJ, Melo. Wade etc.

It’s actually Kobe’s fault the 04 team didn’t win gold. If he didn’t get caught up with that chick he would have been the perfect leader to keep that team focused. Instead it was AI.

Back to the thread though if Lamar Odom is a fair Sochan comp that’s pretty encouraging.

It was 9/11's fault actually. Only Duncan and Iverson upheld their commitment, the others all backed out supposedly in large part due to flying and staying overseas for a few weeks.

:lmao At the notion of Bryant being a better leader than Duncan.

Far less athletic Aaron Gordon is probably the best Sochan comp.

[Mr. Body]

Like I've been saying from watching some of these tapes from before Baylor (now that he was our draft pick), we drafted a potential much better version of Ben Simmons, assuming he develops his outside shot.

Which is great, but it has ramifications for who is going to be our PG a year or two down the road, assuming we trade Murray. Only so many ball handlers to go around. Makes others become SG or SF if your PF becomes your Point Forward.

There's definitely overlap in their skill sets. Of course Sochan is far more competetive than Simmons is, who wasn't even competetive at LSU.

[Chomag]

He wasn't my guy this draft but a very good choice nonetheless. The kid has some swagger in him, but I do wonder how quickly Pop will neuter him....

Hopefully Pop will let the kid play and be himself

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/pj0zRBIsTaQ

”my favorite comp is Draymond but offensively i might be a bit better” :lmao

[John B]

I think Spurs should trade him at the deadline for a 2032 first rounder. There's this 9 year old kid out here who's destroying 13 year olds. By the time he's draft eligible we need to make a run at him to get our franchise player. Sochan is not a franchise player so he's worthless


If the Spurs continue this semi-tanking that would probably be the case. As somebody mentioned, they should’ve gutted out once nephew jumped-shipped and got hauls on DDR, LMA, Gay and the Spurs could’ve had multiple lottery picks the last 4-5 years and already on on path. But of course the Spurs do it differently.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/OVJ8lQFqd2w

insightful scouting report on Sochan’s defense

notes:
-calls Sochan a 3.5 to 4.5 defender, not a 1 thru 5
-extremely physical
-impressive interior defense
-cuts driving angles early. Rare trait for someone that young
-great hands and timing
-smart defender that works with the team’s scheme/ uses angles to defend
-impressive offball defense
-pairs instincts with his great tools, often in position to help
-beautiful executor of scheme
-rim protection will be limited due to lack of verticality. Upside doesnt project to be elite offball rim protector
-awareness on interior rotations is special
-similar to franz wagner in using hips and lower torso to defend
-disciplined helping one pass away
-advanced mental defensive execution done routinely
-had some defensive lapses that coaching could help
-seen struggling against quick guards, but not a knock against sochan. He is a large dude. Wing forward interior defender is what he is.
-stops advantages before they start. This will be very valuable in the nba
-he is always communicating on defense
-denies plays before they have a chance to materialize
-has consistency in doing the little things
-real switch defenders dont exist in the nba. Sochan shouldnt be billed as one as there are no special defenders who are as big as sochan and can guard quick guards

[Dejounte]

Frankly, the description of Sochan’s defense above reminds me a lot of Kawhi