Spurs Select F Jeremy Sochan with the 9th Pick in the 2022 NBA Draft

[DAF86]

Lockdown defender? No one locks the top players down. Kobe consistently lit Bowen up.

Kobe average 26.3 points per game against Bowen.

Dude, what's your problem? I used to think you were a troll, but nobody is consistent enough to stay in character to troll a website for 15+ years.

It's clear you have some kind of problem that makes you post negative comments exclusively. You should try getting help in the form of psychological treatment, tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dude, what's your problem? I used to think you were a troll, but nobody is consistent enough to stay in character to troll a website for 15+ years.

It's clear you have some kind of problem that makes you post negative comments exclusively. You should try getting help in the form of psychological treatment, tbh.

True Laker fan.

[R. DeMurre]

Lockdown defender? No one locks the top players down. Kobe consistently lit Bowen up.

Kobe average 26.3 points per game against Bowen.


"Locking up" is a relative term. No one expects a top offensive player to be held scoreless... a great defender might mean the difference between an 11/19 night versus a 9/21 night. It's like the difference between a 40% elite 3pt shooter and an average 35% shooter. It's not a huge difference, but rather an important nuance, and NBA games are often won with these nuances.

[Chomag]

No player is going to stop a top tier talented offensive player from scoring, but what they can do is make them have to work much harder to score and not make it easy for them wearing them down more throughout the game.

[John B]

top offensive player >> top defensive player. It takes Team Defense to slow down a top offensive player like Kobe, MJ, LeBron, etc. Team have to meet them early, closeout, switch, giving him different looks. And Bowen and his busy hands (and dangerous close-outs :lol) were up there.

I think Bowen helped slow Kobe down (likewise players like Allen, Nash, Dirk, etc). I always say that the X-factor to a Spurs championship is the defensive catalyst: Sean, Bowen, Kawhi/Green. I always thought what if Sean never had the kidney transplant, or Spurs got Bowen earlier. I doubt Kobe had the 3-peat.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyWXkiVLvOA

[heyheymymy]

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[slick'81]

1633192905350209536

sprinkles it is

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JazzTamir1/status/1634331888939573255

[slick'81]

His purple hair tonight was dope

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AskEIl-cpD8

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1635824043277312001

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1635824043277312001
Ridiculousness from this guy.

[Atl Spur]

Monster!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1635826364971376642

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1635826364971376642
Like I said...

[slick'81]

Sochan just straight toying with orl

[Mr. Body]

I remember very early on when Duncan threw the ball off the backboard for himself. Was it rookie year?

[ace3g]

ROY goes to....

Sochan better be on All-NBA Rookie 1st team.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrOid9_WIAIvPKA?format=jpg&name=large

[Ice009]

Wow. Great stuff shown from Jeremy tonight.

[Atl Spur]

I’ll play nice tonight but someone(s) on this board is gonna be eating crowe……

[slick'81]

I remember very early on when Duncan threw the ball off the backboard for himself. Was it rookie year?


not sure but its in here somewhere


https://youtu.be/j5_E1IQWq10

[emanueldavidginobili]

He's the best Spurs rookie i've seen in a very long time. Imagine if this kid was surrounded by the 2014 Squad.

[Mr. Body]

not sure but its in here somewhere


https://youtu.be/j5_E1IQWq10

I think I see Elie and Kevin Willis on the Rox, so it was first or second year for Timmy.

[Ariel]

ROY goes to....

Sochan better be on All-NBA Rookie 1st team.
He likely won't be, as Banchero plays his spot, and given the Kings' success, Keegan Murray will take the other forward spot.
IMO the All Rookie 1st team will probably be:
Mathurin, Jalen Williams, Keegan Murray, Banchero, Kessler
And 2nd team will be:
Nembhard, Ivey, Jabari Smith Jr, Sochan, Duren
With a possible swap between Ivey and Mathurin.
That said, in a (premature) re-draft, I'd take Sochan over ANYONE but Banchero. His position, size, versatility and skill set make him a much more unique prospect than guards like Ivey, Mathurin or Jalen Williams, or center Duren, and he's much younger than Keegan Murray (3 years) and Jalen Williams (2 years). That's regardless of All Rookie teams (IDGAF).

[Spursfanfromafar]

He likely won't be, as Banchero plays his spot, and given the Kings' success, Keegan Murray will take the other forward spot.
IMO the All Rookie 1st team will probably be:
Mathurin, Jalen Williams, Keegan Murray, Banchero, Kessler
And 2nd team will be:
Nembhard, Ivey, Jabari Smith Jr, Sochan, Duren
With a possible swap between Ivey and Mathurin.
That said, in a (premature) re-draft, I'd take Sochan over ANYONE but Banchero. His position, size, versatility and skill set make him a much more unique prospect than guards like Ivey, Mathurin or Jalen Williams, or center Duren, and he's much younger than Keegan Murray (3 years) and Jalen Williams (2 years). That's regardless of All Rookie teams (IDGAF).

Ivey has been underwhelming overall. Don't know if he is a lock.

[Ariel]

Ivey has been underwhelming overall. Don't know if he is a lock.
For 2nd team? He sure is. Doesn't deserve it, but might even make 1st team. Empty stats and hype go a long way into all rookie teams.

[duncan2150]

Imo Ivey is having a better season than Mathurin, Close %, better 3pt% and same attempts per game, more assists ( same rebounds), more steals.... juste one point shy of mathurin 16.6 pts per game. Only ft% and TO are bad.

Sochan could pass Murray.

[Spursfanfromafar]

For 2nd team? He sure is. Doesn't deserve it, but might even make 1st team. Empty stats and hype go a long way into all rookie teams.

My point is that even empty stats wise, Ivey's are emptier!

Advanced stats-wise, Ivey's numbers are worse than Shaedon Sharpe's.

I actually think if Sochan doesn't make the All Rookies, it could be because of Tari Eason, not Ivey.

[rascal]

For 2nd team? He sure is. Doesn't deserve it, but might even make 1st team. Empty stats and hype go a long way into all rookie teams.

Why are Ivey's stats empty but Sochan's stats aren't.

[rankingtear]

Why are Ivey's stats empty but Sochan's stats aren't.

Defense, high foul rate, low steal rate. Not strong enough on ball, dies on screens, bad footwork on closeouts, jumps on everything. EPM has Ivey as the most negative win player in the NBA tied with Sharpe at -2.0 eW , Sochan is at +1.4.

[BacktoBasics]

Pretty disingenuous arguments when we're looking at teams that are deliberately tanking. I'll reserve judgement and comparisons about empty stats until we see these teams pushing to compete or if they become perennial losers.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor WAR minimum 1 minute

1) 4.1 Walker Kessler
2) 2.5 Tari Eason
3) 1.5 Dyson Daniels
4) 1.4 AJ Griffin, Jalen Williams
6) 1.2 Benedict Mathurin, Keegan Murray,
8) 1.0 Andrew Nemhard, Jaylin Williams
10) 0.7 Mark Williams
11) 0.6 Jeremy Sochan

42T) -0.1 Julian Champagnie (not lower due to PT)
60T) -0.4 Dominick Barlow
64T) -0.5 Jordan Hall
74) -1.9 Blake Wesley
77 and last) -2.2 Malaki Branham

[spurs1990]

Listening to the Baylor channel 365sicem - imagine Sochan on this year's Baylor team who was the #2 seed without him. Sochan would be a top 3 pick I'd imagine if he stayed another year.

[exstatic]

Listening to the Baylor channel 365sicem - imagine Sochan on this year's Baylor team who was the #2 seed without him. Sochan would be a top 3 pick I'd imagine if he stayed another year.

He could be top 3 in a year 3 re-draft of his actual draft.

[slick'81]

So the spurs drafted another guy who out performed his draft position? Shocker:lol

[spurs1990]

He could be top 3 in a year 3 re-draft of his actual draft.

Good point - Banchero looks to be everything as advertised but Sochan may put up the best numbers by year 3.
Unless next year's rookie becomes a foundational offensive piece.

https://i.ibb.co/YW9dYC8/Sochan-stats-3-15-2023.png

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5TRL11-kWQ

[tonight...you]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5TRL11-kWQ
Hate to say it, but every single highlight there was from the most terrible D you could ever show.
Hey, I'm glad that D was taken care of, but damn.
Some embarrassing shit going on in this game.

[offset formation]

Listening to the Baylor channel 365sicem - imagine Sochan on this year's Baylor team who was the #2 seed without him. Sochan would be a top 3 pick I'd imagine if he stayed another year.

Thats assuming a lot though. Sochan's development I think is in large part a function of his growth with the Spurs development guys. His one handed FTs, his freedom to run point. His full game development including 3 pt shooting. Little to none of that happens at Baylor. He wasn't even starting and was an off ball offensive player not someone outscoring the best player on the other team and being the game's leading scorer,as he did the other night

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9CQNvQvyw

[ismael-robert]

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[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9CQNvQvyw

Great interview. If Sochan is that “first piece”, then what an easy kid to root for. When the season ends, I’m going to miss watching him develop game by game. Those post ups were beginning to be a thing of beauty. Hope he trains hard this summer on his footwork and ballhandling.

[John B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9CQNvQvyw

Them white socks though :lol. He reminds me of Timmy with his own style, no care in the world, just being his own style, as opposed to DJM who cares too much what people think of him, getting pat at the back. It shows confidence in your own skin. I like when Sochan asked why Tony is still around, and that he too would like to make San Antonio his home, to bring championship(s) with the new young team, their way. I have a good feeling about the kid, that he’s the next big thing. And if we’re lucky to draft Wemby, Sochan will still be one of the “Big 3”. It’s just innate in him the leadership to carry a big responsibility.

[Ice009]

What shoes is TP wearing at the start of the clip when he's talking about Jeremy dying his hair? Is he still with Peak, or was that only for his playing days?

[The Truth #6]

I know this video is about Jeremy, but after watching it, I can’t help but comment on Tony.

For all the talk of Tim being sort of a dork, I kind of love the fact that Tony maybe is kind of a dork too with those goofy ass superhero statues.

Also, for all the talk of Tony being an arrogant asshole, I don’t know, he comes across as pretty grounded, and at the least really loves San Antonio and being a Spur, and so as a fan, what more can you ask for?

[John B]

I know this video is about Jeremy, but after watching it, I can’t help but comment on Tony.

For all the talk of Tim being sort of a dork, I kind of love the fact that Tony maybe is kind of a dork too with those goofy ass superhero statues.

Also, for all the talk of Tony being an arrogant asshole, I don’t know, he comes across as pretty grounded, and at the least really loves San Antonio and being a Spur, and so as a fan, what more can you ask for?

It’s so true how Spurs legends, Gervin, DRob, Elliot, Manu, TP have made San Antonio their home. And they all keep coming back to impart their wisdom and view Spurs as their team. You hear that from Tony, “we” are doing the right thing, adding pieces. There is belongingness that is not lost. I like his savviness, the way he handles his business(es). I like if he can bring that to the FO someday.

[ginobilized]

I know this video is about Jeremy, but after watching it, I can’t help but comment on Tony.

For all the talk of Tim being sort of a dork, I kind of love the fact that Tony maybe is kind of a dork too with those goofy ass superhero statues.

Also, for all the talk of Tony being an arrogant asshole, I don’t know, he comes across as pretty grounded, and at the least really loves San Antonio and being a Spur, and so as a fan, what more can you ask for?

Yeah, I agree. I've been around Tony 2x and he couldn't have been nicer, cooler or more open to people around him. Seems really grounded and took far more time than necessary with fans. Also, no one else on the team spent one second with fans on these occasions.

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9CQNvQvyw

Awesome interview

[BackHome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9CQNvQvyw

Thanks for posting this Ace - Really enjoyed the video Tony is such a cool dude always admired how he would get hammered when taking it into the paint but would keep coming back. I think Sochan will be the heart of the Spurs in the future he is very level headed and definitely a team type of guy.

[spurraider21]

Injury prone tbh

[JPB]

also load managment during his rookie year when spurs need to lose games. No need to force on his body.

[Mr. Body]

Injury prone tbh

Not sure about that.

[Degoat]

Only thing that sucks is he won’t get 1st team all rookie with all the games missed, maybe even 2nd team.

[cd98]

nah, he's not playing because Spurs are tanking.

[Ariel]

Tanking is over, might as well play him and Vassell if they're ok

[exstatic]

Tanking is over, might as well play him and Vassell if they're ok

That’s what I’ve been thinking. Suit up, and wreck some shit this last week.

[tonight...you]

I think Sochan actually has an injury going on.
Not a serious one, but something enough not to play with while nothing is at stake.

[exstatic]

I think Sochan actually has an injury going on.
Not a serious one, but something enough not to play with while nothing is at stake.

It’s an excuse, just like Keldon repeatedly missing games. He might have tweaked it initially, but that’s long been healed after the first 3 or so games missed. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have played intermittently. Almost any time he’s played since the beginning of February, he’s dropped between 20 and 30, and that’s bad for the tank.

[Atl Spur]

I think Sochan actually has an injury going on.
Not a serious one, but something enough not to play with while nothing is at stake.

They’re just tanking big dog:)

[tonight...you]

They’re just tanking big dog:)
You may be right.

[tonight...you]

It’s an excuse, just like Keldon repeatedly missing games. He might have tweaked it initially, but that’s long been healed after the first 3 or so games missed. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have played intermittently. Almost any time he’s played since the beginning of February, he’s dropped between 20 and 30, and that’s bad for the tank.
Like I said in my previous post, you may be right.
Just don't discount he might have a minor niggle and Pop said nay for the time being.

[scott]

Rest everyone so that they are good to go for the last game against the Mavs, where we go all out and ensure they miss the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

Spurs are 15-41 when sochan plays. 5-17 when he doesnt. That’s a difference of like 3% win percentage. I don’t think sitting him is a tank move because he’s too good lol

[exstatic]

Spurs are 15-41 when sochan plays. 5-17 when he doesnt. That’s a difference of like 3% win percentage. I don’t think sitting him is a tank move because he’s too good lol

There was a switch flip when he got MUCH better, and started dropping 20 pretty frequently. That's when he started getting sat down.

[spurraider21]

It’s an excuse, just like Keldon repeatedly missing games. He might have tweaked it initially, but that’s long been healed after the first 3 or so games missed. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have played intermittently. Almost any time he’s played since the beginning of February, he’s dropped between 20 and 30, and that’s bad for the tank.
Since the beginning of February Sochan has scored over 20 exactly three times

[BacktoBasics]

When you're losing there's no reason to rush back or fight through stuff. If we were winning I think most of these guys would have played more games.

[spurraider21]

When you're losing there's no reason to rush back or fight through stuff. If we were winning I think most of these guys would have played more games.
These are super young players still trying to develop lol. Experience is going to be their best teacher. Not load management before you’re old enough to drink

[JPB]

Rest everyone so that they are good to go for the last game against the Mavs, where we go all out and ensure they miss the playoffs.

Unless I'm wrong, as of today they're bottom 10 and would keep their top 10 protected FRP with a small chance at Wemby or another nice pick... Tanking or not (3-7 their last ten and 1 game behind the 10th last play in spot), not sure what result would be better for them in that last game.

[scott]

Unless I'm wrong, as of today they're bottom 10 and would keep their top 10 protected FRP with a small chance at Wemby or another nice pick... Tanking or not (3-7 their last ten and 1 game behind the 10th last play in spot), not sure what result would be better for them in that last game.

Great point. Might be better to watch them get the 10 seed and miss out, so that they lose their FRP as well :lol

[spurraider21]

Spurs are 15-41 when sochan plays. 5-17 when he doesnt. That’s a difference of like 3% win percentage. I don’t think sitting him is a tank move because he’s too good lol
i swear there are people on this board that must think if only vassell/keldon/sochan played 80 games apiece we'd be in the playoffs :lol

[Atl Spur]

Spurs are 15-41 when sochan plays. 5-17 when he doesnt. That’s a difference of like 3% win percentage. I don’t think sitting him is a tank move because he’s too good lol

Ok he’s hurt…… cool. He doesn’t impact winning ( blah blah and blah ). Hopefully he’s healthy for next year.

[Mr. Body]

Guessing the team is keeping their powder dry. Vassell could be playing, Sochan could be playing, for whatever reason they have pulled them back and will reengage for next year. Right now it seems like they're doing a big try-out for newcomers and working on specifics with Branham and Wesley. Prolly don't see a reason to cause further injury to those first two players.

[exstatic]

i swear there are people on this board that must think if only vassell/keldon/sochan played 80 games apiece we'd be in the playoffs :lol

I swear there are people on this board that must think Pop isn't intentionally throwing games. The only recent one he didn't was Sacto because we had top 3 sewn up, but he could have. If he inserts Wesley and Dieng late, we lose. Sitting Keldon, Vassell and Sochan is a big part of that. He started with Vassell being out 24 games, almost 2 months, for a simple scope. Then it was Keldon being randomly sat, and when Sochan started picking up the slack, he got sat, too. We wouldn't have made the playoffs, but we would have made a run at the play in, which would have been a disaster.

[spurraider21]

I swear there are people on this board that must think Pop isn't intentionally throwing games. The only recent one he didn't was Sacto because we had top 3 sewn up, but he could have. If he inserts Wesley and Dieng late, we lose. Sitting Keldon, Vassell and Sochan is a big part of that. He started with Vassell being out 24 games, almost 2 months, for a simple scope. Then it was Keldon being randomly sat, and when Sochan started picking up the slack, he got sat, too. We wouldn't have made the playoffs, but we would have made a run at the play in, which would have been a disaster.
oh im sure he has. i just dont think it was necessary to have our #9 overall pick sit for ~ 1/3 of his developmental rookie season to make that happen

[BacktoBasics]

These are super young players still trying to develop lol. Experience is going to be their best teacher. Not load management before you’re old enough to drink

I didn’t look at it as load management. Just that there’s no rush in bringing someone back and it gives other players the opportunity to get in and be evaluated. Especially with us taking looks at cast offs.

[spurraider21]

I didn’t look at it as load management. Just that there’s no rush in bringing someone back and it gives other players the opportunity to get in and be evaluated. Especially with us taking looks at cast offs.
yeah man KBD really needs those starter minutes instead of sochan lmao

[Atl Spur]

yeah man KBD really needs those starter minutes instead of sochan lmao

The mamus and Barlows of the world do…… not rocket science

[spurraider21]

The mamus and Barlows of the world do…… not rocket science
then let sochan play and give those guys KBDs minutes

[rascal]

Sochan is overrated. Not a strong rebounder for a PF and a poor shot blocker and steals numbers are also low.
He doesn't jump well for his size.

He didn't help the worst defense in the league at all.

Why is he considred such a great defensive player. I've seen quicker players blow past him and players burying 3 pointers over him. He doesn't jump well.

A very overrated player. A solid starter on a good team but no future all star.

[Ninja Roach]

Sochan is overrated. Not a strong rebounder for a PF and a poor shot blocker and steals numbers are also low.
He doesn't jump well for his size.

He didn't help the worst defense in the league at all.

Why is he considred such a great defensive player. I've seen quicker players blow past him and players burying 3 pointers over him. He doesn't jump well.

A very overrated player. A solid starter on a good team but no future all star.
:blah Nothing quite like evaluating a glue guy with few, to no actual pieces on the team to glue together. GTFOH with this lamebrain take.

[rascal]

:blah Nothing quite like evaluating a glue guy with few, to no actual pieces on the team to glue together. GTFOH with this lamebrain take.

Glue guy ha ha

Spurs need to add real future stars.

[Ninja Roach]

Glue guy ha ha

Spurs need to add real future stars.

So what exactly are we pretending, that a free agent superstar is going to willingly come to S.A. or that drafting a superstar doesn't require an extraordinary amount of luck especially with the recent changes in the draft to protect against tanking?

Sochan is going to be a great to excellent player on a team with talent in same vein as Diaw, Rodman and Draymond. Alone they're not going to win anything, but mix in a shooter, a good finishing big, a few slashing wings, they shine.

[exstatic]

Glue guy ha ha

Spurs need to add real future stars.

Two teams with top 10 picks last year decided to tank. The team with the lower pick held their player out for most of the latter parts of the season, because his play was working against the tank. The one with the higher pick let their pick play away, and plummeted in the standings.

[rascal]

Two teams with top 10 picks last year decided to tank. The team with the lower pick held their player out for most of the latter parts of the season, because his play was working against the tank. The one with the higher pick let their pick play away, and plummeted in the standings.

Sharpe was playing great. They sat him against he Spurs. They couldn't take the chance to beat the Spurs so Sharpe sat.

Portland sat their top players and gave Sharpe minutes for player development and he shined.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Sochan is overrated. Not a strong rebounder for a PF and a poor shot blocker and steals numbers are also low.
He doesn't jump well for his size.

He didn't help the worst defense in the league at all.

Why is he considred such a great defensive player. I've seen quicker players blow past him and players burying 3 pointers over him. He doesn't jump well.

A very overrated player. A solid starter on a good team but no future all star.
you're like 200 years old and you still rate players by boxscore lol

[rascal]

you're like 200 years old and you still rate players by boxscore lol

No, I rate players on what I see.

Sharpe has more offensive upside than Sochan, he's more athletic and has better form on his shot, looks smoother.
Sochan plays stiff and doesn't jump well for a PF and his blocked shots and rebounds support this.

[JPB]

No, I rate players on what I see.

Sharpe has more offensive upside than Sochan, he's more athletic and has better form on his shot, looks smoother.
Sochan plays stiff and doesn't jump well for a PF and his blocked shots and rebounds support this.

It's all about BBIQ. Sochan is just fine for the spurs. Sharpe is more physical but let's just wait how he'll react and adapt when teams will start to scout and adjust to his game.

[exstatic]

Sharpe is going to be a Lonnie Walker/Ben McLemore type: mad hops, a buttery jumper, but nothing else.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

No, I rate players on what I see.

Sharpe has more offensive upside than Sochan, he's more athletic and has better form on his shot, looks smoother.
Sochan plays stiff and doesn't jump well for a PF and his blocked shots and rebounds support this.
Then you should contact an optometrist.

[EricB]

you're shouting into the ether with Rascal. they could draft god and he'd have a problem with it.

[rascal]

Sochan's defensive rating is (119.2) 9th best on a roster that is the worst defensive team in the league.

The idea that he's such a strong defender didn't play out this year.

[The Truth #6]

Guarding the best players, typically out of position. But yeah you would think it would be better.

[Atl Spur]

Rascal…….relax. Everyone with a brain can see Sochans a player…..stop being a contrarian:)

[BatManu20]

Congrats to the kid. Good start to (hopefully) a long and successful career in Silver & Black.

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[spurraider21]

seems right. glad he got some recognition, but cracking first team was a tall task with a pretty strong first year class. not sure if they go positionally or not, but Kessler at C over Duren makes sense

hard to argue against Banchero at one of the forward spots. keegan murray was a contributing starter on a solid playoff team, though that was the path for Sochan to crack first team. Keegan also played 80 games vs Sochan's 56. while some players look better on bad teams by being able to put up numbers (i think keldon falls in this category), sochan looks like the type of player that would thrive more and look better when surrounded by talent, which makes his rookie showing more impressive.

Ivey/Duren/Sochan being second teamers speaks to the strength of the class tbh

[Ariel]

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He likely won't be, as Banchero plays his spot, and given the Kings' success, Keegan Murray will take the other forward spot.
IMO the All Rookie 1st team will probably be:
Mathurin, Jalen Williams, Keegan Murray, Banchero, Kessler
And 2nd team will be:
Nembhard, Ivey, Jabari Smith Jr, Sochan, Duren
With a possible swap between Ivey and Mathurin.
That said, in a (premature) re-draft, I'd take Sochan over ANYONE but Banchero. His position, size, versatility and skill set make him a much more unique prospect than guards like Ivey, Mathurin or Jalen Williams, or center Duren, and he's much younger than Keegan Murray (3 years) and Jalen Williams (2 years). That's regardless of All Rookie teams (IDGAF).
Uh... got 9/10 right, and the one I missed was Nembhard in whose place Tari Eason was named. In my defense, Tari Eason came up 10th in voting, and Nembhard 11th by just 1 point, so I didn't do too bad :D


Ivey has been underwhelming overall. Don't know if he is a lock.For 2nd team? He sure is. Doesn't deserve it, but might even make 1st team. Empty stats and hype go a long way into all rookie teams.
Well, Ivey came 6th in total voting, so he did end up making 2nd team and almost 1st.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure why Sharpe received any votes for 2nd team.

[tonight...you]

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Uh... got 9/10 right, and the one I missed was Nembhard in whose place Tari Eason was named. In my defense, Tari Eason came up 10th in voting, and Nembhard 11th by just 1 point, so I didn't do too bad :D

Well, Ivey came 6th in total voting, so he did end up making 2nd team and almost 1st.
:bobo

[The Truth #6]

I like that Jaylin Williams got a First Team vote. Probably someone got him confused with his teammate. Lol.

[lefty20]

I like that Jaylin Williams got a First Team vote. Probably someone got him confused with his teammate. Lol.

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[The Truth #6]

1655646396207226901

Good clarification. Still a weird vote.

[Spursfanfromafar]

https://twitter.com/NBAPR/status/1655633839551643649
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https://twitter.com/NBAPR/status/1655634010444292117
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https://twitter.com/NBAPR/status/1655634427047813120
1655634427047813120

Uh... got 9/10 right, and the one I missed was Nembhard in whose place Tari Eason was named. In my defense, Tari Eason came up 10th in voting, and Nembhard 11th by just 1 point, so I didn't do too bad :D

Well, Ivey came 6th in total voting, so he did end up making 2nd team and almost 1st.

I expected Eason over Ivey. But both got in! And thankfully Sochan made it too. No controversial misses/ selections by the NBA. They got it right.

[Mr. Body]

Good clarification. Still a weird vote.

Just some OKC fanboi.

[spurraider21]

thunderup got his media credentials

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeremySochan/status/1659388861145927681

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1659892052107091970

[slick'81]

Happy b day jeremy ! Sprinkles is on the rise

[rascal]

Duren would have been the better pick.

Duren is a better low post player, rebounder and defensive shot blocker and finisher around the basket which would work well with Wemby.

[Mr. Body]

I do have some concerns about Sochan's fit around Wemby on the court. Also how he reacts to all the media and cultural attention Wemby will get.

The latter is a concern for anybody. I could see a Dejounte Murray getting annoyed with Wembanyama becoming the instant star and face of the franchise. My feeling is Jeremy is a great teammate and won't give a shit.

On the court, I do think Pop/staff need to figure out where to get players their best spots. It's getting clear that Sochan is incredibly effective driving. He's too fast for guys his size, too big for smaller guys. He's already a matchup problem. Fortunately, it seems like Wembanyama can often be put on the perimeter to give Sochan these drives. It's not just an issue for Sochan -- Keldon is a good driver, Wesley is a slasher. Pop loves to have players put pressure on the rim; it distorts the defense even when it doesn't result in an immediate shot. So the question is how to move Victor around to get these attacks activated, while giving the slashers the ability to just lob it to him when needed. With Sochan as much as anybody you don't want them to cannibalize each other. A good problem to work out.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Duren is a better low post player, rebounder and defensive shot blocker and finisher around the basket
That is, he duplicates Victor's role, and does not complement it.

[Extra Stout]

I do have some concerns about Sochan's fit around Wemby on the court. Also how he reacts to all the media and cultural attention Wemby will get.

The latter is a concern for anybody. I could see a Dejounte Murray getting annoyed with Wembanyama becoming the instant star and face of the franchise. My feeling is Jeremy is a great teammate and won't give a shit.

On the court, I do think Pop/staff need to figure out where to get players their best spots. It's getting clear that Sochan is incredibly effective driving. He's too fast for guys his size, too big for smaller guys. He's already a matchup problem. Fortunately, it seems like Wembanyama can often be put on the perimeter to give Sochan these drives. It's not just an issue for Sochan -- Keldon is a good driver, Wesley is a slasher. Pop loves to have players put pressure on the rim; it distorts the defense even when it doesn't result in an immediate shot. So the question is how to move Victor around to get these attacks activated, while giving the slashers the ability to just lob it to him when needed. With Sochan as much as anybody you don't want them to cannibalize each other. A good problem to work out.
Wemby himself is a slasher/driver.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Sochan is vastly underrated. We‘ve seen him shoot of the dribble fadeaways from midrange. If his shot ever comes along he can be way more than just a starter on a contender

[Frenchfred]

I think Sochan is vastly underrated. We‘ve seen him shoot of the dribble fadeaways from midrange. If his shot ever comes along he can be way more than just a starter on a contender

I agree, he reminds me of Kawhi a little bit.

[Mr. Body]

I think Sochan is vastly underrated. We‘ve seen him shoot of the dribble fadeaways from midrange. If his shot ever comes along he can be way more than just a starter on a contender

I both think his shooting is going to be perfectly fine in time and that he's going to be a massive problem for defenses -- and his defense will start popping once we have a system around Wemby in place. He has All-Star upside. I just hope he doesn't think Wemby is stunting him but don't think he will.

He's already too fast for many bigs and too big for guys his speed. Other teams will have to have a long, fluid big on Wembanyama, and who has that player? They'll have to double Wembanyama a lot and this will leave Sochan so much floor to crash into on the move, plus he has the vision to see shooters, can score, or even hit Wembanyama back. That's going to be really, really hard to guard.

[Frenchfred]

I both think his shooting is going to be perfectly fine in time and that he's going to be a massive problem for defenses -- and his defense will start popping once we have a system around Wemby in place. He has All-Star upside. I just hope he doesn't think Wemby is stunting him but don't think he will.

He's already too fast for many bigs and too big for guys his speed. Other teams will have to have a long, fluid big on Wembanyama, and who has that player? They'll have to double Wembanyama a lot and this will leave Sochan so much floor to crash into on the move, plus he has the vision to see shooters, can score, or even hit Wembanyama back. That's going to be really, really hard to guard.

everybody is going to benefit from Wenby, I wouldn't be surprise if Keldon and Vassel improve their assists and 3 point shooting thanks to him

[DAF86]

Duren would have been the better pick.

Duren is a better low post player, rebounder and defensive shot blocker and finisher around the basket which would work well with Wemby.


I do have some concerns about Sochan's fit around Wemby on the court. Also how he reacts to all the media and cultural attention Wemby will get.

The latter is a concern for anybody. I could see a Dejounte Murray getting annoyed with Wembanyama becoming the instant star and face of the franchise. My feeling is Jeremy is a great teammate and won't give a shit.

On the court, I do think Pop/staff need to figure out where to get players their best spots. It's getting clear that Sochan is incredibly effective driving. He's too fast for guys his size, too big for smaller guys. He's already a matchup problem. Fortunately, it seems like Wembanyama can often be put on the perimeter to give Sochan these drives. It's not just an issue for Sochan -- Keldon is a good driver, Wesley is a slasher. Pop loves to have players put pressure on the rim; it distorts the defense even when it doesn't result in an immediate shot. So the question is how to move Victor around to get these attacks activated, while giving the slashers the ability to just lob it to him when needed. With Sochan as much as anybody you don't want them to cannibalize each other. A good problem to work out.

Sochan is a perfect fit for Wemby. Someone that can easily swap inside/outside with Wemby at both ends, unlike Duren who is a center through and through. In the long run Wemby will always end up being a center, no true center will ever be a great fit alongside him.

[rascal]

Sochan is a perfect fit for Wemby. Someone that can easily swap inside/outside with Wemby at both ends, unlike Duren who is a center through and through. In the long run Wemby will always end up being a center, no true center will ever be a great fit alongside him.

If Robinson and Duncan(both low post players) can play together so can Duren abd Wemby who has a better game away from the basket than either Robinson and Duncan.

[exstatic]

If Robinson and Duncan(both low post players) can play together so can Duren abd Wemby who has a better game away from the basket than either Robinson and Duncan.

Robinson was not a low post player. He was a cutter/slasher/face up shooter.

[rascal]

Robinson was not a low post player. He was a cutter/slasher/face up shooter.

He wasn't shooting the ball like Wemby will.

Robinson was scoring in the post and also cutting to the basket on short drives, face up jumper from inside 10 feet.

[Mr. Body]

Sochan is a perfect fit for Wemby. Someone that can easily swap inside/outside with Wemby at both ends, unlike Duren who is a center through and through. In the long run Wemby will always end up being a center, no true center will ever be a great fit alongside him.

Also why Zollins is perfect for Wembanyama for different reasons. I fight with some other user over whether Collins can play PF and here's where he does. (Sort of: labels here are fluid.) Collins can hit from deep - if more from the top of the key than elsewhere. Defenses will need to figure out whether to stay at home with Wembanyama and this will leave Collins open. Alternatively, we'll see Wembanyama drag his defender out for Collins to post or Sochan to drive.

[TD 21]

If Robinson and Duncan(both low post players) can play together so can Duren abd Wemby who has a better game away from the basket than either Robinson and Duncan.

Different times, where what was required in a PF wasn't the same and two of the greatest players of all time, who for the first 3-4 seasons as teammates, were close enough to their prime (albeit on opposite ends of the spectrum), which led to talent trumping fit.

[spurraider21]

Sochan needs to become stronger so he can play the draymond role and allow wemby to roam on the weakside. He already has draymonds ability to switch and guard perimeter players. If he’s able to hold his own against centers then we’ve really got something

offensively he’s only going to get better as a playmaker but obviously continuing to develop his shooting is going to go a long way

[DAF86]

If Robinson and Duncan(both low post players) can play together so can Duren abd Wemby who has a better game away from the basket than either Robinson and Duncan.

We aren't in the 90's though.

[rascal]

We aren't in the 90's though.

It doesn't matter. I knew that lame excuse will be brought up.

[CGD]

Wish we would have found a way to draft Marc Williams last year. Would be perfect next the Wemby

[DAF86]

It doesn't matter. I knew that lame excuse will be brought up.

But it does matter, you crazy ass hater.

[rascal]

But it does matter, you crazy ass hater.

OK then explain how will it matter.

Explain why Duren/Wemby can't work because it's 2023 but it could work in 1998.

[Mr. Body]

OK then explain how will it matter.

Explain why Duren/Wemby can't work because it's 2023 but it could work in 1998.

Technically it can work, but that makes Duren the post. This makes it hard for Wembanyama to use the lane because Duren's man will always be there.

Look at Milwaukee. Lopez is perfect next to Giannis because he can hit threes. This draw his man out so Giannis can do what he wants inside.

[DAF86]

OK then explain how will it matter.

Explain why Duren/Wemby can't work because it's 2023 but it could work in 1998.

After you explain why you been in this forum for around 15 years hating on everything Spurs related. What kind of pathology you have?

[TrueSpursFan]

None of this matters, every choice the spurs have made, has led to Victor. If you draft someone else instead of who we have drafted in the past years, it changes everything and the odds change and the balls fall a different way and we get 7th pick or we are not even in the lottery. Don’t dread on could have been because the end game was wemby

[rascal]

After you explain why you been in this forum for around 15 years hating on everything Spurs related. What kind of pathology you have?

I knew you didn't have an answer but a wise guy response.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JeremySochan/status/1660117457208500225

[exstatic]

I knew you didn't have an answer but a wise guy response.

It’s a legit question. You don’t seem to like anything the Spurs do, or even like the team at all. Just move along, and find another team that does business the way you like.

[Dejounte]

Csy9CdaJBRQ

Sochan had the most promising rookie year for a Spur (better than Keldon’s, Vassell’s, Murray’s, White’s) since Nephew. Excited for what’s to come.


https://youtu.be/zE_Z8XJMfg4

[onechance87]

Csy9CdaJBRQ

Sochan had the most promising rookie year for a Spur (better than Keldon’s, Vassell’s, Murray’s, White’s) since Nephew. Excited for what’s to come.


If jeremy can improve his 3 point shot....We may have another future all star

[Frenchfred]

If jeremy can improve his 3 point shot....We may have another future all star

I'm looking forward to watching Spurs games next season and see the young guys play. I just moved back to the US from France and it was hard for me to assess how good players like Sochan are by only watching highlights.

[SpursFan86]

Regardless of how his jumper develops, I think a Sochan/Wemby frontcourt has ridiculous defensive potential and could be the foundation of a perennial top 3 defense in the league as long as the rest of the team isn’t just completely terrible on that end. The length and mobility of these 2 guys should give teams tons of trouble.

[Mr. Body]

Csy9CdaJBRQ

Sochan had the most promising rookie year for a Spur (better than Keldon’s, Vassell’s, Murray’s, White’s) since Nephew. Excited for what’s to come.


https://youtu.be/zE_Z8XJMfg4

Good stuff in that vid. The problem with handling Sochan is not just his speed and size, but that he attacks at a lot of different angles. That turnaround J shows nicer touch than he does at range. He's relentless and doesn't get down. He's a guy teams will have to account for yet he manages to make things happen when he's not the focus. His cuts, tip-ins, movement with and without the ball. He's too dynamic. Now on, Wemby is going to be the focus more often than not, leaving Sochan to wreak havoc.

[Frenchfred]

Good stuff in that vid. The problem with handling Sochan is not just his speed and size, but that he attacks at a lot of different angles. That turnaround J shows nicer touch than he does at range. He's relentless and doesn't get down. He's a guy teams will have to account for yet he manages to make things happen when he's not the focus. His cuts, tip-ins, movement with and without the ball. He's too dynamic. Now on, Wemby is going to be the focus more often than not, leaving Sochan to wreak havoc.

Hopefully, that will help him with his 3 point shooting because he is really not good in that department and he will need to hit those when defense will collapse on Wemby

[scott]

Get Jeremy to a 35%+ 3PT shooter and we’ll really be cooking with gas.

[Ariel]

Hopefully, that will help him with his 3 point shooting because he is really not good in that department and he will need to hit those when defense will collapse on Wemby
Likewise for Wemby, TBH.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1671939521938698240

[Obstructed_View]

Sochan had the most promising rookie year for a Spur (better than Keldon’s, Vassell’s, Murray’s, White’s) since Nephew. Excited for what’s to come.

Sochan had the best Spurs rookie season since Duncan.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS5gw8yg1hs

[heyheymymy]

Sochan seems like he could make a huge leap this season and I am glad to have him on the Spurs

[cutewizard]

Sochan can be a Point Forward

[cutewizard]

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=121ZQfEczQc

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=121ZQfEczQc

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vTLMYJRmu8

Reminder

[cutewizard]

the glue guy

[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

Like others have said, the way his guide hand comes off the ball during the release is so much better.

[slick'81]

Sprinkle me and co.desperately want to win

[Extra Stout]

His still having knee soreness is ominous

[The Truth #6]

His still having knee soreness is ominous

Is that being reported? I mean, I see the knee brace but is there something more…?

[Extra Stout]

Word is that right knee soreness that ended Jeremy's season isn't yet 100% so they'll keep him out. In the above videos, his stroke looks a little better. That hitch is still there but he's getting his guide hand off of it quicker so it's not as much of a two-handed shot anymore.

[BatManu20]

:lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0yRD58X0AAXbB0?format=jpg&name=large

[Mugen]

So many people are going to hate Jeremy after this upcoming season, and I'm all for it tbh :lol

[CGD]

:lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0yRD58X0AAXbB0?format=jpg&name=large

He’s a troll lol. It’s funny that he’s zeroed in on the Rockets, which I’m here for.

[Obstructed_View]

His still having knee soreness is ominous

They can't keep him off the court. If it were ominous, he wouldn't be out there.

[DAF86]

So many people are going to hate Jeremy after this upcoming season, and I'm all for it tbh :lol

If Wemby pans out and the Spurs become a contender who's constantly on televised games, Sochan will become the Rodman of the 2nd 3peat Bulls. A must-see TV troll.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1679656907777413120
https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1679657334447144962

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Be prepared to be disappointed... Not only do i not think he will start on day 1... I think he will be in the g league

duncan2k5 is not around much these days. Missing these great takes.

[Atl Spur]

duncan2k5 is not around much these days. Missing these great takes.
Yikes!!!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Yikes!!!

Yeah, I forgot the blue font.

Similar to ducks, less is more when it comes to duncan2k5.

[koriwhat]

I can't wait for the sochan/wemby project to commence!

[Obstructed_View]

If Wemby pans out and the Spurs become a contender who's constantly on televised games, Sochan will become the Rodman of the 2nd 3peat Bulls. A must-see TV troll.
A team-first Rodman is as valuable a piece as anything.

[K...]

I can't wait for the sochan/wemby project to commence!

I assume this isnt ironic, but yeah who cares about spacing, let these guys figure it out until we are not going to win

[koriwhat]

I assume this isnt ironic, but yeah who cares about spacing, let these guys figure it out until we are not going to win

Def not irony. I like both and can't wait to see them together on the main squad. Together on the floor at the same time, maybe or maybe not. I like the team thus far outside of the unknowns like 12-15 roster spots and 2-ways.

It's going to be a rough season again but there's a ton of potential to do big things now.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMbNKNnSKmc

[heyheymymy]

Looks like 2k24 incorporated Jeremy Sochan's one-handed free throw technique into the game

[Ignazzz]

https://youtu.be/RspDppBZumA?si=eefvBKdf8SPncvpb

[Ignazzz]

https://youtu.be/RspDppBZumA?si=eefvBKdf8SPncvpb

[rascal]

If Wemby pans out and the Spurs become a contender who's constantly on televised games, Sochan will become the Rodman of the 2nd 3peat Bulls. A must-see TV troll.

Sochan doesn't rebound like Rodman, he's pretty weak overall for his size.

[DAF86]

Sochan doesn't rebound like Rodman, he's pretty weak overall for his size.

But I wasn't talking about rebounds, was I?

[CGD]

https://youtu.be/RspDppBZumA?si=eefvBKdf8SPncvpb

Is that a big time polish rapper? Must be well known if YouTube views mean anything.

Looks like a sick Audi R8 at the end.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgI7Pj4wgU

[rascal]

But I wasn't talking about rebounds, was I?

In what way will Sochan become like Rodman? Rodman's biggest asset was his rebounding.

[koriwhat]

Looks like 2k24 incorporated Jeremy Sochan's one-handed free throw technique into the game

Indeed they did.

[DAF86]

In what way will Sochan become like Rodman? Rodman's biggest asset was his rebounding.

I think it was pretty clear in the original post: the trolling.


If Wemby pans out and the Spurs become a contender who's constantly on televised games, Sochan will become the Rodman of the 2nd 3peat Bulls. A must-see TV troll.

[cd98]

I want to see this guy play more PG.

[rankingtear]

I want to see this guy play more PG.

This the only way Sochan reaches his top end outcome. He would never have the shooting development of Kawhi or DJ. The only all star path is to be a coachable version of Ben Simmons.

[exstatic]

This the only way Sochan reaches his top end outcome. He would never have the shooting development of Kawhi or DJ. The only all star path is to be a coachable version of Ben Simmons.

I'm not sure that's true at all. He's played 56 games, and you're writing off his 3pt jumper for the rest of his career?

Also, Jimmy Butler will be going into the HOF as a career 32% 3G shooter. He made All Star teams in 2020 and 2022, shooting .244 and .233 from beyond the arc. It's a matter of aggression and getting to the line and making your FTs. Jeremy shot over 80% with the one handed technique.

[Mr. Body]

Sochan has a bit of a broken jumpshot, but it's not really terrible. The big leap in FT percentage once he took his guide hand off suggests there are other ways to fix it.

I am concerned about the rebounding, somewhat of a problem for Wembanyama, too. Not that they don't rebound, but they are sometimes weak or passive about them. Need to control those boards.

[Rocalcio]

This the only way Sochan reaches his top end outcome. He would never have the shooting development of Kawhi or DJ. The only all star path is to be a coachable version of Ben Simmons.

He's a way better shooter than Simmons, he wasn't afraid to launch last season and I bet he worked on it this summer, I'm pretty sure he can become a decent shooter, while Simmons will never be one.

[rankingtear]

I'm not sure that's true at all. He's played 56 games, and you're writing off his 3pt jumper for the rest of his career?

Also, Jimmy Butler will be going into the HOF as a career 32% 3G shooter. He made All Star teams in 2020 and 2022, shooting .244 and .233 from beyond the arc. It's a matter of aggression and getting to the line and making your FTs. Jeremy shot over 80% with the one handed technique.

Sochan don't even have a pull up jumper right now. He is not going to be an all-star as a pull up threat like Kawhi and DJ.

[exstatic]

Sochan don't even have a pull up jumper right now. He is not going to be an all-star as a pull up threat like Kawhi and DJ.

Bullshit. He's got a great pullup middie. He's even shot it right over the top of likes of KAT and PG13, both taller than him.

He was a fucking rookie and you're writing off the rest of his career!

[rankingtear]

Bullshit. He's got a great pullup middie. He's even shot it right over the top of likes of KAT and PG13, both taller than him.

He was a fucking rookie and you're writing off the rest of his career!

C'mon it is not great. You have this same argument for all the rookies.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah his turnaround jumper in the lane is pretty sweet.

[exstatic]

C'mon it is not great. You have this same argument for all the rookies.

No. Blake is the rawest of all, and doesn't have much of anything. Malaki needs 3pt consistency, but I see that coming. His FT shooting, and college 3pt % say that it's only a matter of time.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1TT-BLz5rA&ab_channel=SanAntonioSpurs

[rascal]

I'm not sure that's true at all. He's played 56 games, and you're writing off his 3pt jumper for the rest of his career?

Also, Jimmy Butler will be going into the HOF as a career 32% 3G shooter. He made All Star teams in 2020 and 2022, shooting .244 and .233 from beyond the arc. It's a matter of aggression and getting to the line and making your FTs. Jeremy shot over 80% with the one handed technique.

Not similar players. Sochan is not a fluid offensive player. He's more stiff as a player. He doesn't have a quick nice release on his shot, even a hitch in his shot, very stiff as a player. He's way over rated on this Spurs board.

[exstatic]

Not similar players. Sochan is not a fluid offensive player. He's more stiff as a player. He doesn't have a quick nice release on his shot, even a hitch in his shot, very stiff as a player. He's way over rated on this Spurs board.

56 games. 56.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure how you can watch Sochan and not see a fluid player. He's very mobile for his size. This gives him a lot of advantage over his weight class. When he's getting into the lane he's a big problem already.

[spurraider21]

Sochan isn’t that big. He’s 6’8 220. McDermott is 6’6 220 and Keldon is 6’5 225

he’s definitely a fluid player, that’s not really my biggest concern for him

[rascal]

I'm not sure how you can watch Sochan and not see a fluid player. He's very mobile for his size. This gives him a lot of advantage over his weight class. When he's getting into the lane he's a big problem already.

As compared to Jimmy Butler no he isn't a fluid player. Sochan is more upright and not as quick. Butler is more of a scorer and a better ball handler. Sochan doesn't shoot the ball his form as well either.
Butler looks more athletic in every area over all.

[spurraider21]

As compared to Jimmy Butler no he isn't a fluid player. Sochan is more upright and not as quick. Butler is more of a scorer and a better ball handler. Sochan doesn't shoot the ball his form as well either.
i dont think they're trying to do the same things or play the same position. draymond has always been the more natural comp, though sochan has to get stronger to live up to that

[exstatic]

As compared to Jimmy Butler no he isn't a fluid player. Sochan is more upright and not as quick. Butler is more of a scorer and a better ball handler. Sochan doesn't shoot the ball his form as well either.

Jimmy Butler wasn't always Jimmy Butler. He was once a rookie, too. No one is saying that Sochan IS Jimmy Butler, just that maybe he COULD BE Jimmy Butler down the line. I mean, Kawhi turned into an All NBA caliber player, but his first two seasons, he pretty much stood in the corner and shot 3s. No one could see what he would become. Anyone who says they did is full of crap.

[rascal]

Sochan isn’t that big. He’s 6’8 220. McDermott is 6’6 220 and Keldon is 6’5 225

he’s definitely a fluid player, that’s not really my biggest concern for him

Sochan is big, has a long wing span.

[John B]

As compared to Jimmy Butler no he isn't a fluid player. Sochan is more upright and not as quick. Butler is more of a scorer and a better ball handler. Sochan doesn't shoot the ball his form as well either.
Butler looks more athletic in every area over all.

I think he’s a Ben Simmons with the outside shot. I mean Simmons is a better playmaker but who knows. Pop is already excited with Jeremy, “the sky is the limit” with that kid. “He’s so tall he sees everybody.” I hate to say comp to Magic, but that would be the ultimate, a 6’8” leading the fastbreak. Tre mentioned about 1-4 and even 5 pushing the ball. We’ll see Sochan playing a lot of Point Forward. Pop excited to play position-less basketball, with a lot of running/passing, then dump to Wemby when plays slow down and towards half of the season.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TeamYouFirst/status/1712204284429738001

[emanueldavidginobili]

1712509087437430962

1712513269917778411

[spurraider21]

concerning imo that a 19-20 year old has to miss that kind of time with a generic "sore knee" and not some specific injury

[TrueSpursFan]

concerning imo that a 19-20 year old has to miss that kind of time with a generic "sore knee" and not some specific injury

you’re assuming there is even any soreness and not just the spurs sitting him to see how some of the other guys look before the season

[spurraider21]

you’re assuming there is even any soreness and not just the spurs sitting him to see how some of the other guys look before the season
they should be seeing how he looks before the season. hes not some 11 year vet where everyone knows what to expect from him

[Mr. Body]

you’re assuming there is even any soreness and not just the spurs sitting him to see how some of the other guys look before the season

This isn't a thing that happens.

[Fireball]

cannot wait to see him play ... hopefully Wemby plays as well

[FuzzyLumpkins]

they should be seeing how he looks before the season. hes not some 11 year vet where everyone knows what to expect from him

They aren't doing as you think they should. What does that have to do with what they are actually doing?

[spurraider21]

They aren't doing as you think they should. What does that have to do with what they are actually doing?
uhh... nothing?

if i just wanted to know what the team was doing and not share my thoughts, i would simply not visit a forum and instead just read articles about them.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

uhh... nothing?

if i just wanted to know what the team was doing and not share my thoughts, i would simply not visit a forum and instead just read articles about them.

just as long as you understand that he is not hurt.

[spurraider21]

just as long as you understand that he is not hurt.
that would be worse if they sat him when he wasn’t hurt

where are you getting that info from though?

[exstatic]

that would be worse if they sat him when he wasn’t hurt

where are you getting that info from though?

That’s tanking 101. Do you really think Dame was hurt last year? And that he wasn’t ready to return after the ASG the year before?

[spurraider21]

That’s tanking 101. Do you really think Dame was hurt last year? And that he wasn’t ready to return after the ASG the year before?
why did we tank the first preseason game?

[SpurSpike]

why did we tank the first preseason game?

Because the game didn't matter at all. It was more important to get a good look at all players on the roster against NBA competition than to win the game. If they wanted to win they would not have closed with that end of the bench lineup and no Wemby.

[spurraider21]

Because the game didn't matter at all. It was more important to get a good look at all players on the roster against NBA competition than to win the game. If they wanted to win they would not have closed with that end of the bench lineup and no Wemby.
would have been a good reason for sochan to play

[Mr. Body]

Guys, teams don't hold out players just to look at other players. A preseason game is 48 minutes and everyone needs to get up to game speed. There's plenty of time to look at various lineups.

[spurraider21]

Guys, teams don't hold out players just to look at other players. A preseason game is 48 minutes and everyone needs to get up to game speed. There's plenty of time to look at various lineups.
oh i agree.

i do think sochan had some legitimate soreness which caused him to be held out. but given that was also the stated reason for him being shelved at the end of last year, i did express some concern that someone as young as him is having this kind of extended "soreness" without a specific acute injury.

but when people started saying that he's not really hurt, he was just held out to see other players... im guilty of trying to go down that ridiculous rabbit hole to prove just how pointless/dumb a decision that would be

[spurraider21]

:wow

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tbh i like sochan but i didnt see this coming

[FuzzyLumpkins]

that would be worse if they sat him when he wasn’t hurt

where are you getting that info from though?

KJ and Sochan were both hurt out of the blue at the same time?

I will grant that it is possible that both are actually hurt but Pop games the injury list as a matter of course and he cannot DNP anymore without cause.

[spurraider21]

KJ and Sochan were both hurt out of the blue at the same time?

I will grant that it is possible that both are actually hurt but Pop games the injury list as a matter of course and he cannot DNP anymore without cause.
ok so innuendo, not info

pop literally DNP'd Collins and McDermott today and said outright they are healthy scratches during his presser

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ok so innuendo, not info

pop literally DNP'd Collins and McDermott today and said outright they are healthy scratches during his presser

If you want to take Popovich's injury reports at face value then go ahead.

[spurraider21]

If you want to take Popovich's injury reports at face value then go ahead.
ok nbadan

to be clear, you are affirmatively making the claim that sochan wasnt actually hurt, and your evidence is that it is weird that we had 2 players not suit up due to injury, and also that pop is a liar

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ok nbadan

to be clear, you are affirmatively making the claim that Sochan wasnt actually hurt, and your evidence is that it is weird that we had 2 players not suit up due to injury, and also that pop is a liar

This is not out of nowhere. Popovich used to put plantar fasciitis or other bullshit to keep extra players on the roster. League responded by making the inactive spots and then it evolved from there.

Now today both are miraculously ready to play and the 5 on the other side of the Wemby dichotomy is DNP. Worry about Sochan's knee if you like.

[spurraider21]

This is not out of nowhere. Popovich used to put plantar fasciitis or other bullshit to keep extra players on the roster. League responded by making the inactive spots and then it evolved from there.

Now today both are miraculously ready to play and the 5 on the other side of the Wemby dichotomy is DNP. Worry about Sochan's knee if you like.
keldon isnt playing

[FuzzyLumpkins]

keldon isnt playing

So now we are worried about KJ?

[spurraider21]

This is not out of nowhere. Popovich used to put plantar fasciitis or other bullshit to keep extra players on the roster. League responded by making the inactive spots and then it evolved from there.

Now today both are miraculously ready to play and the 5 on the other side of the Wemby dichotomy is DNP. Worry about Sochan's knee if you like.


keldon isnt playing


So now we are worried about KJ?
now you're just not engaging anymore

im out

[BackHome]

It makes ZERO sense to play anyone who is injured even if it is just a little tweak....It's PRESEASON...........

[stephen jackson]

Maybe he’ll start at pg

[onechance87]

Maybe he’ll start at pg

think tre may be the starting pg....Both there offence is shaky,We need a pg who can shoot 3s

[Mr. Body]

I'm not convinced at all with Sochan as point guard.

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm not convinced at all with Sochan as point guard.
Why

[onechance87]

Why

Didnt really make the team better....It tre goes down,Sure make him the pg....But hes not really a difference in playmaking compared to tre imo
Both are average at passing,Both cant really shoot,Both are decent at defence,Both are average at rebounding

[Mr. Body]

Why

?? He struggled getting the ball up the court. It doesn't put him in the right position to play to his strengths. He's not good enough for initiating actions at this point both for ballhandling and because he's not an outside threat.

[CorrectCrusader]

Didnt really make the team better....It tre goes down,Sure make him the pg....But hes not really a difference in playmaking compared to tre imo
Both are average at passing,Both cant really shoot,Both are decent at defence,Both are average at rebounding

I mean can we let him develop a bit first?

[Mr. Body]

Didnt really make the team better....It tre goes down,Sure make him the pg....But hes not really a difference in playmaking compared to tre imo
Both are average at passing,Both cant really shoot,Both are decent at defence,Both are average at rebounding

To me he's a really strong secondary playmaker and can be a mismatch in a lot of ways. As primary, just don't see it.

[Mr. Body]

I mean can we let him develop a bit first?

Unless you want to teleport Future Sochan to now, I don't see it effective right now.

[John B]

Sochan at PG is just Pop experimenting different lineups. He will be SF/PF and occassionally play point-forward, and maybe PG to close games to tighten defense and get KJ off the bench

[onechance87]

To me he's a really strong secondary playmaker and can be a mismatch in a lot of ways. As primary, just don't see it.

yea for sure....think he can take advantage in posting up smaller players and making plays....Sucks hes not a shooter,Would make this team deadly

[onechance87]

I mean can we let him develop a bit first?

yea sure....But he needs to develop his shot before anything else....Hes still young to improve.

[AusSpur]

To be fair to Sochan today, he was being picked up aggressively full court from a player fighting for his NBA life. Not sure he gets that attention from players pacing themselves for 82 games.

[rascal]

To be fair to Sochan today, he was being picked up aggressively full court from a player fighting for his NBA life. Not sure he gets that attention from players pacing themselves for 82 games.

He sure will get pressure since he isn't a true pg( not his natural position) and teams will challenge him on playing pg.

[rankingtear]

Sochan at PG is just Pop experimenting different lineups. He will be SF/PF and occassionally play point-forward, and maybe PG to close games to tighten defense and get KJ off the bench

It is a lock Sochan starts at PG. Baffles me that a lot of people still can't process this.

[ismael-robert]

Looked pretty bad tonight

[tim_duncan_fan]

He did not look smooth or confident with the ball.

[Fireball]

It was his first real game in 7 months ... of course he will not look smooth. And he will not face full court pressure like this in the RS.

[Obstructed_View]

:wow

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tbh i like sochan but i didnt see this coming

He ran point last year. Many of us who actually watched the games called this.

[exstatic]

Unless you want to teleport Future Sochan to now, I don't see it effective right now.

Future Sochan was allowed to develop at some point. You do get this whole Mulligan year, where we see how the pieces fit, right?

[Mr. Body]

Future Sochan was allowed to develop at some point. You do get this whole Mulligan year, where we see how the pieces fit, right?

A bad point guard can stunt everyone. It means you're getting stunted sets and reduced shot clocks. I mean, I've been a huge fan of Sochan since before he was drafted. I'm fine with this but I'm not in love with it.

[exstatic]

A bad point guard can stunt everyone. It means you're getting stunted sets and reduced shot clocks. I mean, I've been a huge fan of Sochan since before he was drafted. I'm fine with this but I'm not in love with it.


I don’t think anyone loves it right now. He needs work. The idea of a 6’9” PG feeding Wemby is just too tantalizing to resist, though. That would give us huge size advantages in two positions.