Spurs Select F Jeremy Sochan with the 9th Pick in the 2022 NBA Draft

[KobesAchilles]

Jeremy is currently shooting 42% from beyond the arc. If you’re going to call him a failed PG after 13 games, I get to call him an elite shooter after 13 games.
If you want to call him that then sure. Some people just have a hobby of doubling down when they’re wrong. They think admitting when they’re wrong is some type of weakness for some reason. It’s weird.

Anyways I think he has made 9 three pointers all season. Makes him an even worse PG then if our elite shooter only made 9 threes. Especially if he is running the offense. I guess Sochan the PG is doing Sochan the “elite shooter” no favors. Btw a Sochan has never played PG and I think you’re looking down on the position too much. You believe that it’s a position that anybody can learn and it’s not. It takes years and years and years of training and experience to become an elite PG. And even then there are only like 7-10 elite PGs in the world. Idc how much time you give Jeremy, he is never going to be a top 10 PG. and I bet you don’t think that either

[TheGreatYacht]

Putting Socham as Point Guard was Pop's way of guaranteeing a Lottery Pick.

Socham is NOT a point. You know it, I know it, Socham knows it, Pop Knows it.

Putting Socham as point guard puts us in the lottery for next year. That's CIA Pops grand plan. That BETTER be Pop's grand plan, cuz there is no other excuse for doing it.

Pop is a jerk.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

It’s almost 2024 and people STILL believe in “CIA Poop” when he does something a legally retarded person wouldn’t. It’s like when those Christians see their families die in a car fire and then thank god for challenging them

[exstatic]

19 total 3 point attempts is a different type of sample size compared to 13 games playing a specific position

Neither is a particularly large sample size, which was my point. Parker sucked for at least two years, and maybe close to four. PG is a hard position to learn, probably the most difficult of all.

[SouthernFryd]

You obviously never watched the 03 Spurs cause Horry wasn't on that team. Manu was a rookie averaging 8 PPG, Robinson was over the hill putting up 10/10 and Parker was a sophomore who had to get benched for Speedy Claxton. This was one of the biggest carrying a team jobs in NBA history by Tim Duncan

I've watched every year since the 70's. So don't try to belittle people if they don't remember every damn player on the roster in every year. Horry was on the Spurs around that time. Maybe the year before or year after. Doesn't matter.

Robinson, Manu, Parker, Kerr, etc...were on the team. Duncan was the star...he was always the star...but, he had all-star help in Manu, Robinson, Parker, etc. Wemby doesn't. Duncan couldn't have done it without them. He sure as hell couldn't do it with this roster. That's the damn point.

And it's a valid point even if you disagree. You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. Grumpy people...

[spurraider21]

Neither is a particularly large sample size, which was my point. Parker sucked for at least two years, and maybe close to four. PG is a hard position to learn, probably the most difficult of all.
Aite so let’s run Bassey at point and forgive up to 4 years of suckage

[exstatic]

I've watched every year since the 70's. So don't try to belittle people if they don't remember every damn player on the roster in every year. Horry was on the Spurs around that time. Maybe the year before or year after. Doesn't matter.

Robinson, Manu, Parker, Kerr, etc...were on the team. Duncan was the star...he was always the star...but, he had all-star help in Manu, Robinson, Parker, etc. Wemby doesn't. Duncan couldn't have done it without them. He sure as hell couldn't do it with this roster. That's the damn point.

And it's a valid point even if you disagree. You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. Grumpy people...

None of those players were All Stars THAT YEAR, and that’s an important point that you’re glossing over. They were either too young, or in Robinson’s case, too old. He played 64 games, 26 minutes, and averaged 8p/8reb.

[exstatic]

Aite so let’s run Bassey at point and forgive up to 4 years of suckage

Response of a hysteric.

[Mugen]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

It’s almost 2024 and people STILL believe in “CIA Poop” when he does something a legally retarded person wouldn’t. It’s like when those Christians see their families die in a car fire and then thank god for challenging them

:lmao

Literally, the only examples they have of the old man being a good coach are from 10+ years ago :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

I've watched every year since the 70's. So don't try to belittle people if they don't remember every damn player on the roster in every year. Horry was on the Spurs around that time. Maybe the year before or year after. Doesn't matter.

Robinson, Manu, Parker, Kerr, etc...were on the team. Duncan was the star...he was always the star...but, he had all-star help in Manu, Robinson, Parker, etc. Wemby doesn't. Duncan couldn't have done it without them. He sure as hell couldn't do it with this roster. That's the damn point.

And it's a valid point even if you disagree. You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. Grumpy people...

Horry was on the Lakers that year. You seem to confuse 2003 with 2005. And no he did not have any All-Star help that year, cause none of those guys were All-Stars at that point. Only Robinson made an All-Star appearance prior to that and was nowhere near that level in 03. Nobody besides Duncan averaged 20 that season.

[KobesAchilles]

Neither is a particularly large sample size, which was my point. Parker sucked for at least two years, and maybe close to four. PG is a hard position to learn, probably the most difficult of all.
You are contradicting yourself. Parker didn’t suck at all. He just couldn’t shoot. Everything else he was pretty much elite at right away. He had elite speed. Elite finishing. Elite dribbling. The dude could do it all except shoot. Jeremy is elite at nothing and not even good at anything PG wise. It would take years just for him to be somewhat decent

[rascal]

Go back and see I was one of the few who was not high on Sochan. I didn’t see any extra special skills or athleticism.

[JeffDuncan]

You are contradicting yourself. Parker didn’t suck at all. He just couldn’t shoot. Everything else he was pretty much elite at right away. He had elite speed. Elite finishing. Elite dribbling. The dude could do it all except shoot.
…



Parker’s first ten games in the 2002-03 season:

0/10, 7/14, 5/10, 9/17, 9/15, 4/8, 5/15, 5/14, 5/12, 5/10.

Parker had one of those nights in the first game, but otherwise there’s no complaint about that shooting from an NBA sophomore.

From 3pt range, not used so much in that era, in the fourth game he was 4/8, fifth game 3/5, ninth game 2/3, tenth game 3/3. Not too shabby.

So whatcha talkin bout?



Jeremy is elite at nothing and not even good at anything PG wise. It would take years just for him to be somewhat decent


On that you are fabulously correct. Sochan lacks any innate talent to play point guard. As a pg he is totally dependent on acquired skill. He will never acquire such skill, especially not under the Spurs incompetent coaching.

[SouthernFryd]

Thing is...

[SouthernFryd]

Horry was on the Lakers that year. You seem to confuse 2003 with 2005. And no he did not have any All-Star help that year, cause none of those guys were All-Stars at that point. Only Robinson made an All-Star appearance prior to that and was nowhere near that level in 03. Nobody besides Duncan averaged 20 that season.

Thing is...DUNCAN could NOT have won anything without them. I consider them all stars. Whether they had all star numbers that year is irrelevant. Call them whatever you want. Duncan...could...not...have...done...it...without. ..them.

He couldn't have done it with today's roster. Which is the freakin' obvious point I made. PERIOD. geesh, lol.

I gotta bail outta this conversation and take the age old advice..."Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

You win.

[exstatic]

Thing is...DUNCAN could NOT have won anything without them. I consider them all stars. Whether they had all star numbers that year is irrelevant. Call them whatever you want. Duncan...could...not...have...done...it...without. ..them.

He couldn't have done it with today's roster. Which is the freakin' obvious point I made. PERIOD. geesh, lol.

I gotta bail outta this conversation and take the age old advice..."Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

You win.

Duncan in 2003 was probably the biggest one man carry since either Walton in Portland or Barry in GS.

[TD 21]

Duncan in 2003 was probably the biggest one man carry since either Walton in Portland or Barry in GS.

'94 Olajuwon and even though it was after, '11 Nowitzki merits mention.

[LeBowen]

'94 Olajuwon and even though it was after, '11 Nowitzki merits mention.

Take the first option off those three rosters and '03 Spurs are easily the worst team.

[spurraider21]

11 mavs aren’t in that convo. Yes Dirk had a great individual playoff performance but it wasn’t in the context of a miserable team around him. They were good and he went off

[John B]

I've watched every year since the 70's. So don't try to belittle people if they don't remember every damn player on the roster in every year. Horry was on the Spurs around that time. Maybe the year before or year after. Doesn't matter.

Robinson, Manu, Parker, Kerr, etc...were on the team. Duncan was the star...he was always the star...but, he had all-star help in Manu, Robinson, Parker, etc. Wemby doesn't. Duncan couldn't have done it without them. He sure as hell couldn't do it with this roster. That's the damn point.

And it's a valid point even if you disagree. You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. Grumpy people...

Timmy was 22 and had NBA body. Besides Pop would put a true PG besides Timmy because he was ready. Wemby is not and the only reason Pop can afford to experiment on a PG developing Sochan’s skills as they wait for Wemby. People need to realize that the Spurs are soft tanking. Pop could care less about meaningless wins. He is teaching this team to play together, compete defensively. But back to Timmy, it would be a different approach. Tre, Vassell, Keldon, Timmy and Collins would be a playoff team.

[RC_Drunkford]

Thing is...DUNCAN could NOT have won anything without them. I consider them all stars. Whether they had all star numbers that year is irrelevant. Call them whatever you want. Duncan...could...not...have...done...it...without. ..them.

He couldn't have done it with today's roster. Which is the freakin' obvious point I made. PERIOD. geesh, lol.

I gotta bail outta this conversation and take the age old advice..."Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

You win.

so you want to tell me Duncan couldn't have won a 1 on 5 against the Lakers and actually needed players to play with? No shit genius.

If you consider these guys All-Stars at that point than consider Vassell and Wemby All-Stars too. We have 2 All-Stars and can't win a game.

[KobesAchilles]

Parker’s first ten games in the 2002-03 season:

0/10, 7/14, 5/10, 9/17, 9/15, 4/8, 5/15, 5/14, 5/12, 5/10.

Parker had one of those nights in the first game, but otherwise there’s no complaint about that shooting from an NBA sophomore.

From 3pt range, not used so much in that era, in the fourth game he was 4/8, fifth game 3/5, ninth game 2/3, tenth game 3/3. Not too shabby.

So whatcha talkin bout?




On that you are fabulously correct. Sochan lacks any innate talent to play point guard. As a pg he is totally dependent on acquired skill. He will never acquire such skill, especially not under the Spurs incompetent coaching.
Tony shot 30% from 10-14 feet and 37% from 16-20. He didn’t have a consistent jump shot yet at that age. But he was able to get to the rim at will and he was elite at so many things that it made up for his shaky jumper. Once he got his jumper down he was an all nba player

[bdictjames]

Anyone thought about hiring Boris Diaw to help with Jeremy with this role? That could speed it up a bit. Jeremy's passes are so elementary, it's kind of gross.

[John B]

Anyone thought about hiring Boris Diaw to help with Jeremy with this role? That could speed it up a bit. Jeremy's passes are so elementary, it's kind of gross.

I like Boris but seeing your assistant coach on flip-flops drinking espresso might not bode well. I this Boris could’ve been multiple AS if he had Tony’s tenacity and discipline.

[bdictjames]

I like Boris but seeing your assistant coach on flip-flops drinking espresso might not bode well. I this Boris could’ve been multiple AS if he had Tony’s tenacity and discipline.
Him being too unselfish and either being on stacked teams (Suns, Spurs), or on bottom dwellers (Bobcats) hurt his stock as well.

But yeah, Jeremy doesn't need more caffeine. I think he, as well as probably a few of our other Spurs have some inattention, i.e. ADD/ADHD, going on lol.

[ambchang]

You mean the season that Duncan had Manu and Parker...as well as Horry, Bowen, etc..etc..?

Kinda proves my point. Robinson and Duncan couldn't to it without other superstars to help them. So, like I said, Pop may want to tank the season and get another lottery pick. To get another superstar.

Let me guess you became a spurs fan after 2004.

[ambchang]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

It’s almost 2024 and people STILL believe in “CIA Poop” when he does something a legally retarded person wouldn’t. It’s like when those Christians see their families die in a car fire and then thank god for challenging them

I can see you doing what a legally retarded person would do though. You win this.

[ambchang]

I've watched every year since the 70's. So don't try to belittle people if they don't remember every damn player on the roster in every year. Horry was on the Spurs around that time. Maybe the year before or year after. Doesn't matter.

Robinson, Manu, Parker, Kerr, etc...were on the team. Duncan was the star...he was always the star...but, he had all-star help in Manu, Robinson, Parker, etc. Wemby doesn't. Duncan couldn't have done it without them. He sure as hell couldn't do it with this roster. That's the damn point.

And it's a valid point even if you disagree. You're being contrary just for the sake of being contrary. Grumpy people...

Wow, fan of a team for so long and can’t remember basic details of the second and most unexpected title. Pretty incredible.

[Obstructed_View]

]'94 Olajuwon and even though it was after, '11 Nowitzki merits mention.
Um whut? Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Mario Elie, Otis Thorpe, Kenny Smith. Future and former all stars and historically big game performers. Hakeem was great, but to say he didn't have a ton of help is...interesting.

Edit: sorry for the weird bold.

[Obstructed_View]

Wow, fan of a team for so long and can’t remember basic details of the second and most unexpected title. Pretty incredible.
That team wasn't without talent, it was without discipline and maturity. It's why they had so many huge runs, because they gave up huge leads.

[TD 21]

Um whut? Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Mario Elie, Otis Thorpe, Kenny Smith. Future and former all stars and historically big game performers. Hakeem was great, but to say he didn't have a ton of help is...interesting.

Edit: sorry for the weird bold.


Remember, Robinson couldn't do it alone. Duncan couldn't either. Nor can Wemby. Need another super-star.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I consider them all stars.
https://sun9-7.userapi.com/impg/1w-W1kL0gXHwgM_B4dLvsDmeQW6CFqSAg4_m3A/7PR9F63Hbtk.jpg?size=930x313&quality=96&sign=4d95d580e8d95bf81a35a1aafd1feb16&type=album

[Ditty]

Go back and see I was one of the few who was not high on Sochan. I didn’t see any extra special skills or athleticism.

Still rather have Sochan who is playing out of position who has been more efficient than Shaedon "ten turnover" Sharpe. Sochan will be fine.

[The Truth #6]

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-are-the-spurs-trying-to-maximize-victor-wembanyama-by-supersizing-things-160316232.html

Not sure if already posted.

[Obstructed_View]

So we agree that Hakeem didn't carry the 94 team.

[Atl Spur]

https://sun9-7.userapi.com/impg/1w-W1kL0gXHwgM_B4dLvsDmeQW6CFqSAg4_m3A/7PR9F63Hbtk.jpg?size=930x313&quality=96&sign=4d95d580e8d95bf81a35a1aafd1feb16&type=album

Them damn facts…..

[freetiago]

Haven’t watched Spurs since Kawhi got Zazad. What was this guys first season like and what do you see in him. I don’t see any basketball ability from this guy this season. Can’t pass, shoot, drive, finish, or dribble.

[spurraider21]

Whaaat? I thought he was Jesus, returned...
Don’t act like you don’t engage in hyperbole. Or were you just being hysteric here

Response of a hysteric.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABPvyYo3Us8

[Splits]

1728981752499327463

fuck, was hoping for grade 3 MCL/ACL rippage in half

[John B]

How low has so called fans become wishing injury on its own player

[lefty]

So we agree that Hakeem didn't carry the 94 team.
he did though

[playbonner15]

Amused thread voodoo worked late

[Obstructed_View]

he did though
Okay. Surrounded by teammates known for big playoff performances.

[TimDunkem]

God he is so terrible. Roger Mason Jr. And Bryn fucking Forbes had better court vision than this clown.

https://twitter.com/nikotaughtyou/status/1728962637797761332

[KobesAchilles]

God he is so terrible. Roger Mason Jr. And Bryn fucking Forbes had better court vision than this clown.

https://twitter.com/nikotaughtyou/status/1728962637797761332
But but he’s better than DJ was as a rookie guys :lmao
It’s too soon to make ANY judgement on him as a point guard. Give him 5 years then we can make a accurate judgement :lmao
Tall Ball. Positionless basketball :lmao
Pop experiments :lmao

[Spursfanfromafar]

Sochan, if used properly can be the next Scottie Barnes. He isn't a point guard but is a decent Point Forward option when used in a pinch situation. Maybe Pop is working on him to develop those skills for a time when the Spurs contend. But I am pretty sure this is hurting the development of others .. like Wemby's possible use in a pick & roll with an actual Point Guard or his ability to pass out of double teams to solid three point options or back to an actual PG who can reset the offense accordingly and so on. Here's hoping Pop reads the writing on the wall sooner.

[TimDunkem]

^No. He's not decent. He fucking sucks playing PG. He has ZERO court vision. Some of the worst I've ever seen.

[Splits]

God he is so terrible. Roger Mason Jr. And Bryn fucking Forbes had better court vision than this clown.

https://twitter.com/nikotaughtyou/status/1728962637797761332

I especially love how he calls for the ball back after dishing to Tre

[Spursfanfromafar]

^No. He's not decent. He fucking sucks playing PG. He has ZERO court vision. Some of the worst I've ever seen.

He is not a PG but he doesn't lack passing skills or court vision.

[TimDunkem]

He is not a PG but he doesn't lack passing skills or court vision.
:lmao

You're as blind as Sochan is.

[TimDunkem]

I especially love how he calls for the ball back after dishing to Tre
Who isn't even a great shooter to begin with. Terrible decision making. :lol

[lefty]

Okay. Surrounded by teammates known for big playoff performances.
They were clutch I'm not gonna lie
Horry, Cassell, Maxwell, Elie were clutch

But they were not superstars

And they hit those shots thanks to Hakeem attracting double teams in the 1st place

[Obstructed_View]

They were clutch I'm not gonna lie
Horry, Cassell, Maxwell, Elie were clutch

But they were not superstars

And they hit those shots thanks to Hakeem attracting double teams in the 1st place
Or Rodman leaving them to freelance.

[lefty]

Or Rodman leaving them to freelance.

That too

:pctoss

[Sugus]

How low has so called fans become wishing injury on its own player

Truly disgusting. It's getting harder to sift out the gold from all the shit around here, tbh.

[Bruno]

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[poopbox]

Need to change thread title from 'F Jeremy Sochan" to "PG Jeremy Sochan" tbh

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEmWrYp1zIc

[CGD]

He was good tonight

[MI21]

Absolute asset when played in the correct role.

[Obstructed_View]

This is the first sighting of Jeremy Sochan from last year. Hope he keeps it up.

[Mugen]

His improvement from 3 looks legit tbh. That's a pretty damn big development.

[spurraider21]

Nice to see him get so many easy buckets playing off-ball

[Rocalcio]

His improvement from 3 looks legit tbh. That's a pretty damn big development.

This is the best thing that could happen to him, really impressive from 3 now, I hope he keeps it like this.

[rascal]

This is the best thing that could happen to him, really impressive from 3 now, I hope he keeps it like this.

Not really. He's not a volume 3 pt shooter. He can hit an occasional three when open.

[spurraider21]

Not really. He's not a volume 3 pt shooter. He can hit an occasional three when open.
lol that’s fine. If he can be even a low volume high percentage shooter like bowen was that’s what his game mostly lacked last year. He does everything else well when playing off ball

Bowen was generally much more useless on offense and only took about three 3s a game

he doesn’t need to be McDermott

[Raven]

he's low key exploding.

[Rocalcio]

Not really. He's not a volume 3 pt shooter. He can hit an occasional three when open.

Not really what ? I don’t see how you disagree with what I said, which basically stated that he improved his 3pts shoot, nothing else.

[John B]

Not really what ? I don’t see how you disagree with what I said, which basically stated that he improved his 3pts shoot, nothing else.

Sochan his all-around game and that includes 3pt shot. Whether anyone like the PG experiment or not, Sochan is the direct beneficiary. Sochan is an alpha, has the dog in him. Pop is unleashing his potentials. When he slides back to his natural position, Sochan will be a much improved player. With Wemby, Vassell and an all-around Jeremy could be very exciting prospect. Now I hope PATFO should look at Pistons’ situation. They are heavy on guards and Ivey designated to bench minutes as of late. I think Jaden Ivey could be had for Keldon or Collins or a combination of assets and future draft picks. Pistons get a young veteran who can provide some stability, and Spurs get their young starting PG.

[z0sa]

Sochan his all-around game and that includes 3pt shot. Whether anyone like the PG experiment or not, Sochan is the direct beneficiary. Sochan is an alpha, has the dog in him. Pop is unleashing his potentials. When he slides back to his natural position, Sochan will be a much improved player. With Wemby, Vassell and an all-around Jeremy could be very exciting prospect. Now I hope PATFO should look at Pistons’ situation. They are heavy on guards and Ivey designated to bench minutes as of late. I think Jaden Ivey could be had for Keldon or Collins or a combination of assets and future draft picks. Pistons get a young veteran who can provide some stability, and Spurs get their young starting PG.

I agree with the rest of your post +1, except this. I think it's being shown these last couple of games how much better Jeremy is when he's in a slasher/2nd or 3rd option mindset. Not the distributor. His mind honestly just doesn't work that way - you can see it all over his face every time he gets full court pressure after deadballs or makes. When he can just run up and make a move off the ball, the results are WAY better and he starts looking like a high-ish lottery pick again. JM2C. Agree about him being an exciting prospect and one of the guys we should definitely hold on to moving forward with the Wemby Show.

[wildbill2u]

It doesn't show up as a stat, but look at how often the balls stalls while he's dribbling to no purpose or simply trying to figure out what is going on.. We have to remember he didn't even make the starting five in his college career, but was drafted so high because of his perceived athletic ability. He's having to develop NBA skills like court IQ, passing, and shooting on the fly. I doubt this type of experiment has EVER been tried in the NBA before. That's a lot of pressure on him. He's trying, but it's a bridge too far at this point.

[SpursBills]

I don't think Sochan will ever have the defensive chops of a Draymond Green, and his passing vision doesn't come close to a Ben Simmons. I do wonder though given his size, well-roundedness, and developing shot and handle, the Spurs might see something closer to a Scottie Barnes, who also came into the league with a very questionable jump shot but with above average vision, toughness, and work ethic. Sochan is about a year younger than Barnes was when he came into the league so this season actually should be compared with Barnes' rookie year, but I think that he may be able to get there with time.

[exstatic]

This is the best thing that could happen to him, really impressive from 3 now, I hope he keeps it like this.

The next step is to aggressively attack closeouts all the way to the rim. Last game, after he had made a couple of threes, he pump faked, and the player flew by him. He didn’t quite know what to do. He dribbled in medium speed, allowing the defense to close off the rim, and he ended up shooting a short shot that missed. He could have had a dunk with an aggressive immediate drive all the way to the rim.

[exstatic]

I agree with the rest of your post +1, except this. I think it's being shown these last couple of games how much better Jeremy is when he's in a slasher/2nd or 3rd option mindset. Not the distributor. His mind honestly just doesn't work that way - you can see it all over his face every time he gets full court pressure after deadballs or makes. When he can just run up and make a move off the ball, the results are WAY better and he starts looking like a high-ish lottery pick again. JM2C. Agree about him being an exciting prospect and one of the guys we should definitely hold on to moving forward with the Wemby Show.

This kind of experiment, by JKidd using Giannis, DIRECTLY led to his transformation into the player he is now, and he was probably less equipped for it than Sochan was.

The failure in the doubters thinking is thinking that his discomfort with the situation is somehow bad. You never learn from successes, only from failures.

[exstatic]

It doesn't show up as a stat, but look at how often the balls stalls while he's dribbling to no purpose or simply trying to figure out what is going on.. We have to remember he didn't even make the starting five in his college career, but was drafted so high because of his perceived athletic ability. He's having to develop NBA skills like court IQ, passing, and shooting on the fly. I doubt this type of experiment has EVER been tried in the NBA before. That's a lot of pressure on him. He's trying, but it's a bridge too far at this point.

Most analysts portended playmaking in his game. He’s athletic, but not crazily so, not enough to warrant drafting him top 10 after he was a 6th man in college. He barely qualifies as long at 6’9” X 7’1”. It was absolutely not his physical attributes that jumped him into the top 10.

[KobesAchilles]

This kind of experiment, by JKidd using Giannis, DIRECTLY led to his transformation into the player he is now, and he was probably less equipped for it than Sochan was.

The failure in the doubters thinking is thinking that his discomfort with the situation is somehow bad. You never learn from successes, only from failures.
This might be the dumbest post I’ve seen in a while. The last sentence simply isn’t true at all. People learn from success all the time. I mean you need to be able to learn from failure as well but you don’t ONLY learn from it.

Also I’m glad to see you comparing him to Giannis. It’s a very realistic expectation I have for him now. He should be like Giannis when it’s all said and done. After all, your own words, Giannis was even less equipped than Sochan, so Sochan should be a top 15 player of all time. For every Giannis, there are 50 Sochans whose experiment never works.

[John B]

I hate to bring up the Kobe tapes again :lol, but fuck nobody envisioned him to be the player that he is now when Spurs drafted him at 15. I think PATFO sees something him Sochan that they’re willing to do a PG experiment, not to make him a PG but develop his skills to the next level

[The Truth #6]

Pop's point guard experiments have generally had good success: Parker, Dejounte. On one hand, if he sees something in Jeremy then I'm willing to give it a chance. But on the other hand, right now, it's generally pretty painful. The challenge is that Jeremy is having to learn point guard in a much more difficult situation. I agree that it's a huge task he is undergoing. But he's my favorite player on the team so I'm biased.

[spurraider21]

Sochan generating 0.55ppp as the pick and roll ball handler and 0.54ppp in iso situations.

[BacktoBasics]

I hate to bring up the Kobe tapes again :lol, but fuck nobody envisioned him to be the player that he is now when Spurs drafted him at 15. I think PATFO sees something him Sochan that they’re willing to do a PG experiment, not to make him a PG but develop his skills to the next level

This is how I see it. It’s not an experiment to see if he’s gonna be our next pg. It’s an experiment to see if he can round out some areas of his game would be highly beneficial next year. We all like his energy and how he gets to the basket. That would only be greatly improved if he handles the ball better, picks up his dribble at more opportune moments and develops some instinctive awareness if the lane collapses unfavorably.

[exstatic]

I hate to bring up the Kobe tapes again :lol, but fuck nobody envisioned him to be the player that he is now when Spurs drafted him at 15. I think PATFO sees something him Sochan that they’re willing to do a PG experiment, not to make him a PG but develop his skills to the next level

That’s exactly what they’re doing. It’s what JKidd did with Giannis.

[CGD]

I don't think Sochan will ever have the defensive chops of a Draymond Green, and his passing vision doesn't come close to a Ben Simmons. I do wonder though given his size, well-roundedness, and developing shot and handle, the Spurs might see something closer to a Scottie Barnes, who also came into the league with a very questionable jump shot but with above average vision, toughness, and work ethic. Sochan is about a year younger than Barnes was when he came into the league so this season actually should be compared with Barnes' rookie year, but I think that he may be able to get there with time.

I actually really like the Barnes comp. Some play making and scoring with size, and good D.

[Obstructed_View]

Over the last dozen years we have had specific metrics we have followed for developing players, point guards and non point guards alike. We wanted them to develop a three point shot, develop their handles and have some go-to moves. Point guards need to be able to bring the ball up and make good decisions. I think people forget how young Jeremy is. Dejounte was 20 when he was a rookie and was putting up Sochan numbers when he was 23.

[KobesAchilles]

I hate to bring up the Kobe tapes again :lol, but fuck nobody envisioned him to be the player that he is now when Spurs drafted him at 15. I think PATFO sees something him Sochan that they’re willing to do a PG experiment, not to make him a PG but develop his skills to the next level
Didn’t know we drafted Kobe? Why tf do we only have 5 rings then?

Also it’s ok to bring up the Kawhi tapes again. Bc Kawhi actually proves more my point than yours. We had years before we let Kawhi get to where Sochan is now. It’s like we are trying to microwave Sochan instead of letting him slow cook. This PG experiment is fine, in year 4 when he is used to the league, his confidence is higher, his skills are better, and he has an overall feel for the game. Sochan has no go to move, no feel for the game, admitted to his confidence being shot at times, and really feels like a fish out of water.

While with Kawhi we made the transition as smooth as possible. I feel like Pop is rushing this year with Jeremy and I don’t know why. Is he sick? Does he have less time than we thought? Even with the extension. I’ve never seen Pop so lackluster on a team before. And it’s making me speculate

[dbestpro]

Pop's point guard experiments have generally had good success: Parker, Dejounte. On one hand, if he sees something in Jeremy then I'm willing to give it a chance. But on the other hand, right now, it's generally pretty painful. The challenge is that Jeremy is having to learn point guard in a much more difficult situation. I agree that it's a huge task he is undergoing. But he's my favorite player on the team so I'm biased.
Parker and Murray were PGs to start. Neal, Mason and Forbes were experiments. Now we have a whole team that plays defense like Forbes.

[Obstructed_View]

Parker and Murray were PGs to start. Neal, Mason and Forbes were experiments. Now we have a whole team that plays defense like Forbes.
Murray was a point guard to start, and Sochan is better.

[spurraider21]

Murray was a point guard to start, and Sochan is better.


Sochan generating 0.55ppp as the pick and roll ball handler and 0.54ppp in iso situations.

[Obstructed_View]

Um. Wow.

[itzsoweezee]

Didn’t know we drafted Kobe? Why tf do we only have 5 rings then?

Also it’s ok to bring up the Kawhi tapes again. Bc Kawhi actually proves more my point than yours. We had years before we let Kawhi get to where Sochan is now. It’s like we are trying to microwave Sochan instead of letting him slow cook. This PG experiment is fine, in year 4 when he is used to the league, his confidence is higher, his skills are better, and he has an overall feel for the game. Sochan has no go to move, no feel for the game, admitted to his confidence being shot at times, and really feels like a fish out of water.

While with Kawhi we made the transition as smooth as possible. I feel like Pop is rushing this year with Jeremy and I don’t know why. Is he sick? Does he have less time than we thought? Even with the extension. I’ve never seen Pop so lackluster on a team before. And it’s making me speculate

Yes. Why not let him play point against bench units, a few minutes at a time, or a few plays at a time? What they’re doing now is just not a rational approach to developing some very hard skills to learn

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

While with Kawhi we made the transition as smooth as possible. I feel like Pop is rushing this year with Jeremy and I don’t know why. Is he sick? Does he have less time than we thought? Even with the extension. I’ve never seen Pop so lackluster on a team before. And it’s making me speculate


I'm not sure Pop's aware of where his car is parked, so it's likely he's not as dialed in on player development as he used to be.

[rascal]

How does Sochan look not playing pg?

[Extra Stout]

I think Sochan’s confidence is ruined. He’ll have to be some other team’s reclamation project.

[rascal]

I think Sochan’s confidence is ruined. He’ll have to be some other team’s reclamation project.

It wasn't like he was playing great last year.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/SpursCulture/status/1736081024981819798

[Sugus]

I think Sochan’s confidence is ruined. He’ll have to be some other team’s reclamation project.

Having watched Pop ruin other players' confidence before like Lonnie, I'm not seeing that at all with Sochan. Why do you think this? He's competing every night and gets healthy playtime. Yes, not his natural position as we're all aware, but his demeanor, play, and body attitude don't scream "shot confidence" at all tbh.

Wake me up when he's too shy to keep the one-handed FTs going, tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

Having watched Pop ruin other players' confidence before like Lonnie, I'm not seeing that at all with Sochan. Why do you think this? He's competing every night and gets healthy playtime. Yes, not his natural position as we're all aware, but his demeanor, play, and body attitude don't scream "shot confidence" at all tbh.

Wake me up when he's too shy to keep the one-handed FTs going, tbh.
He was shooting very well from three point range (47% in November) and had his best game of the season, then he got benched and had his role taken away, a sign that the coaching staff agreed with the illiterati that he was to blame for the team's lack of success. He hasn't taken a single confident three pointer since then and his percentage is in the trash (13%).

[spurraider21]

His 3pt% is already regressing to the mean, down to 34% and dropping since he still shoots it like a catapult

[z0sa]

Sochan does nothing good, literally. Nothing. He is one of the biggest non-passers to Wemby as well, passes to him about once a fucking game. Better not pass, Sochan can instead drive to nowhere and kickout to someone who isnt even open. Fuck Sochan.

[spurraider21]

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[cd98]

People need to ease up on Sochan. He is a second year player and is just 20 years old. Let's give him a full three years to see if he improves. He has raw talent and athleticism. Did playing point guard mess with his confidence? Maybe. But the answer to helping him get his confidence back is not to call him a bust when he has played for less than a 1.5 seasons of NBA basketball. He should shoot and the more he shoots, the more opportunities he will have to figure it out and right the ship. His defense runs hot and cold, but that could be said of the entire team except Wemby, who is so physically gifted that he does not have the same learning curve as a normal player.

He looked good his rookie year, and I think he played a little more than half of his rookie season and now he's less than halfway through his 2nd year. That comes to about a season of experience. He has had good moments this year. Let's see what he turns into and judge by that if he fits on this team or not.

[The Truth #6]

I would say making him play point guard definitely frustrated him. He's still learning skills so he's drinking from a fire hydrant right now and doesn't have a role to fall back on. His development has been very aggressive. Needs more time. He's not a bust. He's motivated to improve. He's just in a chaotic situation.

[spurraider21]

People need to ease up on Sochan. He is a second year player and is just 20 years old. Let's give him a full three years to see if he improves. He has raw talent and athleticism. Did playing point guard mess with his confidence? Maybe. But the answer to helping him get his confidence back is not to call him a bust when he has played for less than a 1.5 seasons of NBA basketball. He should shoot and the more he shoots, the more opportunities he will have to figure it out and right the ship. His defense runs hot and cold, but that could be said of the entire team except Wemby, who is so physically gifted that he does not have the same learning curve as a normal player.

He looked good his rookie year, and I think he played a little more than half of his rookie season and now he's less than halfway through his 2nd year. That comes to about a season of experience. He has had good moments this year. Let's see what he turns into and judge by that if he fits on this team or not.
If he needs 3 years to get better that’s fine but then he doesn’t need to be guaranteed 30 minutes and a spot in the starting lineup whether it be at power forward or freaking point guard in the meantime

[Extra Stout]

Part of me suspects that Sochan would become a decent defender if the coaching staff were even attempting to develop him on that side of the ball.

[KobesAchilles]

Ideally he is a bench player. Also Pop really fucked up his development, like I said he did, by switching him to PG. He had so much to improve as a PF so he should’ve focused on that instead. Those idiots saying he would be our Draymond Green never actually watched a Warriors game tbh. Bc Draymond doesn’t bring the ball up court bc it isn’t his strong suit and ruins his skill set. He is the secondary playmaker, and he depends solely on Steph Curry. It’s why the Warriors are so shit when Curry gets hurt, bc Draymond isn’t a primary playmaker. The whole system is Steph.

You can’t tell a player that he needs to work on dribbling (and I’m not talking about bringing the ball up court but actually being good enough to run pick n rolls and break down a defense), passing (so pocket passes, lobs, passes to set up another pass to get a guy open, dump off passes, passes in traffic, entry passes), shooting (since he’s a point guard he needs to learn to shoot off the dribble, finish over bigs, finish at the rim, ideally a step back, midrange, and a 3 point shot) and then teach him a completely new offensive system to run AND a completely new defensive system to learn and realistically expect him to develop. Some people call this player development, I call it stupidity.

Now I don’t believe Pop to be stupid so that’s why I was wondering why Pop rushed everything with Sochan and didn’t take his time to develop like a Kawhi, Patty, Joseph, or really any role player we had (btw Kawhi started as a role player). It makes me believe he feels like his time is up here

[duncan2150]

If he needs 3 years to get better that’s fine but then he doesn’t need to be guaranteed 30 minutes and a spot in the starting lineup whether it be at power forward or freaking point guard in the meantime

that’s two different things. Nobody in this team except Victor and maybe vassell deserve some playing Time.

I did not like sochan’s effort lately but we can’t say he is a bust or he can’t do nothing well… that Pg experience was really bad and hurts his development in some ways

im waiting for better things from sochan till the end of the season

[Seventyniner]

Now I don’t believe Pop to be stupid so that’s why I was wondering why Pop rushed everything with Sochan and didn’t take his time to develop like a Kawhi, Patty, Joseph, or really any role player we had (btw Kawhi started as a role player). It makes me believe he feels like his time is up here

imo it's all just a front for tanking.

I don't like the idea of the Spurs tanking once they already got Wemby, but it is what it is. All I can hope for now is that this is the last year of it.

[cd98]

If he needs 3 years to get better that’s fine but then he doesn’t need to be guaranteed 30 minutes and a spot in the starting lineup whether it be at power forward or freaking point guard in the meantime

He's one of the 5 best players on this team. I can't say whether he should come off the bench or start, but talent-wise, he has more potential and even more ability than the backups. If the Spurs were good, he would have done his pg training in the G-league last year, but because the Spurs are bad, so he stayed in the NBA and there is no reason not to play him 30 minutes a game now and see if he improves. If he doesn't get better by year three, they let him walk. Most of our bench are young guys. If they were objectively better, they would get more minutes over him.

[cd98]

Sochan would be a better defender if there were some vets on the team that pushed defense as a priority and showed good fundamentals. It is up to Pop to coach good defensive habits because there are not guys like Bowen, Manu, Duncan, or Horry that can show good defensive habits and hold teammates accountable.

[Extra Stout]

imo it's all just a front for tanking.

I don't like the idea of the Spurs tanking once they already got Wemby, but it is what it is. All I can hope for now is that this is the last year of it.
Screwing with a player’s development to make him play bad so that you can lose more games is malpractice, I think. It ruins a potential asset that might be needed when you aren’t tanking anymore.

[John B]

To be fair with Sochan, he’s been playing both sides of the court till they took that PG position off him. Trying to learn PG and guarding the best player was not an easy task for a 2nd year player

[Seventyniner]

Screwing with a player’s development to make him play bad so that you can lose more games is malpractice, I think. It ruins a potential asset that might be needed when you aren’t tanking anymore.

The tank job seems obvious when viewed as such. I don't think it was a good idea to even think about tanking going into the season, though at this point the Spurs can try to win all they want and will probably finish bottom 3 anyway.

However I think the narrative that tanking this season will ruin Wemby's career, or his willingness to play for the Spurs in the future, is overblown. If he had an Uncle Dennis in his ear I would be far more nervous.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He might be out of the league in 5 years

[spurraider21]

To be fair with Sochan, he’s been playing both sides of the court till they took that PG position off him. Trying to learn PG and guarding the best player was not an easy task for a 2nd year player
he hasnt guarded anybody well though. merely being assigned to guard good players isnt on its own an accomplishment

[baseline bum]

He was a shitty defender last season too. People want to act like the PG experiment ruined him but he allowed a 50.5% shooting percentage against him last season too. Only 0.1% better than Brynn Forbes. And 485/539 in the league on defensive rating last year. Time to just accept that Sochan sucks and wasn't a very good pick. I don't understand what potential people see in him when he's a garbage defender, can't set teammates up, can't shoot, can't attack the basket, etc. What is this guy's skill that makes in special in the eyes of Spurs fans?

[baseline bum]

he hasnt guarded anybody well though. merely being assigned to guard good players isnt on its own an accomplishment

If you have a PER below ten you better be Bruce fucking Bowen defensively.

[baseline bum]

He might be out of the league in 5 years

If he doesn't make a big jump out of nowhere next season the Spurs should pass on his team option for 2025-26.

[spurraider21]

He was a shitty defender last season too. People want to act like the PG experiment ruined him but he allowed a 50.5% shooting percentage against him last season too. Only 0.1% higher than Brynn Forbes. And 485/539 in the league on defensive rating last year. Time to just accept that Sochan sucks and wasn't a very good pick. I don't understand what potential people see in him when he's a garbage defender, can't set teammates up, can't shoot, can't attack the basket, etc. What is this guy's skill that makes in special in the eyes of Spurs fans?
defensive rating is in large part a team stat. more useful to look at defensive rating purely in an on/off context imo

carlos boozer used to have a great defensive rating playing on thibs' bulls

[scott]

He was a shitty defender last season too. People want to act like the PG experiment ruined him but he allowed a 50.5% shooting percentage against him last season too. Only 0.1% higher than Brynn Forbes. And 485/539 in the league on defensive rating last year. Time to just accept that Sochan sucks and wasn't a very good pick. I don't understand what potential people see in him when he's a garbage defender, can't set teammates up, can't shoot, can't attack the basket, etc. What is this guy's skill that makes in special in the eyes of Spurs fans?

He has colored hair and wears #10. What else could you possibly want?

[baseline bum]

defensive rating is in large part a team stat. more useful to look at defensive rating purely in an on/off context imo

carlos boozer used to have a great defensive rating playing on thibs' bulls

Used it more to show consistency with his awful DFG%

[TD 21]

Sochan's archetype is almost always a bust. They didn't learn their lesson with Samanic and doubled down on it, but at least he was selected at a more appropriate pick for a high bust potential type.

What's worse, Sochan is poor at the things he's supposed to be good at. He has a low basketball IQ, inconsistent energy/effort and is a negative defender.



He's one of the 5 best players on this team.

No, he isn't. Wembanyama, Vassell, Johnson, Jones and Collins, are clearly the top five.

[Jordan Jackson]

He was a shitty defender last season too. People want to act like the PG experiment ruined him but he allowed a 50.5% shooting percentage against him last season too. Only 0.1% higher than Brynn Forbes. And 485/539 in the league on defensive rating last year. Time to just accept that Sochan sucks and wasn't a very good pick. I don't understand what potential people see in him when he's a garbage defender, can't set teammates up, can't shoot, can't attack the basket, etc. What is this guy's skill that makes in special in the eyes of Spurs fans?

The PG experiment was their last gasp at trying to find a fit for him on this team. The front office and Pop seem to really like him but it is what it is with him.

I would still give him another season and I think they do. But it doesn’t look good for him right now.

[bluebellmaniac]

Put Sochan back in his natural position and he will be fine.

We can hopefully pick up a couple starters in this draft ( PG an SF) and suddenly we're winning games.

And more depth will come in the following years.

[spurraider21]

Put Sochan back in his natural position and he will be fine.

We can hopefully pick up a couple starters in this draft ( PG an SF) and suddenly we're winning games.

And more depth will come in the following years.
he's been playing PF for a while now and still isnt fine

[bluebellmaniac]

he's been playing PF for a while now and still isnt fine

Did we break him?!

[BackHome]

Ideally he is a bench player. Also Pop really fucked up his development, like I said he did, by switching him to PG. He had so much to improve as a PF so he should’ve focused on that instead. Those idiots saying he would be our Draymond Green never actually watched a Warriors game tbh. Bc Draymond doesn’t bring the ball up court bc it isn’t his strong suit and ruins his skill set. He is the secondary playmaker, and he depends solely on Steph Curry. It’s why the Warriors are so shit when Curry gets hurt, bc Draymond isn’t a primary playmaker. The whole system is Steph.

You can’t tell a player that he needs to work on dribbling (and I’m not talking about bringing the ball up court but actually being good enough to run pick n rolls and break down a defense), passing (so pocket passes, lobs, passes to set up another pass to get a guy open, dump off passes, passes in traffic, entry passes), shooting (since he’s a point guard he needs to learn to shoot off the dribble, finish over bigs, finish at the rim, ideally a step back, midrange, and a 3 point shot) and then teach him a completely new offensive system to run AND a completely new defensive system to learn and realistically expect him to develop. Some people call this player development, I call it stupidity.

Now I don’t believe Pop to be stupid so that’s why I was wondering why Pop rushed everything with Sochan and didn’t take his time to develop like a Kawhi, Patty, Joseph, or really any role player we had (btw Kawhi started as a role player). It makes me believe he feels like his time is up here

Nice post...I agree 100%

[timtonymanu]

Jeremy sucks but this is more on Pop. He was already limited to begin with and pop completely destroyed his confidence. Old man can’t leave sooner enough.

[CGD]

Put Sochan back in his natural position and he will be fine.

We can hopefully pick up a couple starters in this draft ( PG an SF) and suddenly we're winning games.

And more depth will come in the following years.

Fine at what though? I’d get it if he was a legit 3/D prospect in the draft, but he wasn’t. he’s only now developing the 3pt shot. He has the smarts to eventually become one of those glue guy connector types, but they need to see how he reads the floor.

Bottom line: I think they saw him as a high bbiq, high confidence, and eventual plug and play guy but that needed a lot of shaping. They’re now shaping. Folks also forget there was an huge drop in clear talent at 9 where the spurs were picking in that draft (we were debating Johnny freaking Davis of that pick here!).

[John B]

The guy’s 20 yrs old and on his 2nd year.. geez

[freetiago]

Can’t take much more if this clown missing every layup and falling down everytime then not getting up and giving the team a 4v5 ez basket. Tried to shoot it in the clutch ��

[MultiTroll]

Which scouts or otherwise Spurs personnel are considered most influential in the decision to take Sochan?

President of Everything Spurs CIA Popped?
Brian Wrong?
Fred Jimenez team scout Texas area?

[SpursBills]

I'm pretty disappointed by Sochan's performance this year, but let's get some perspective; Sochan in his age 20 season is averaging basically the same numbers that Dejounte Murray was in his age 23 season. Jalen Johnson who everyone is raving about now was averaging 2 points per game in his age 20 season. Sochan's still 6 months younger than Brandon Miller, and Draymond Green was an unknown junior at Michigan State at age 20. If Sochan still sucks in 4 years then by all means kick him to the curb, but for now it's way to early to call him a bust. Development isn't linear and 2nd year regression is normal.

[Chomag]

Why did we draft this guy again? He wasn't even a starter on the Balor team.

[baseline bum]

The guy’s 20 yrs old and on his 2nd year.. geez

What does he do well?

[baseline bum]

Why did we draft this guy again? He wasn't even a starter on the Balor team.

For the same reason they drafted Primo. Got a castoff from Detroit as the GM.

[John B]

What does he do well?

I don’t know man. I know Jeremy has improved his FT by 100% from last season, and now shooting 37% from 3pts. If anything, I think the PG experiment improved his overall skills. Now he’s back to his natural PG position, and I think that was by design, so let’s see. He’s athletic and he’s shown he’s a willing student of the game, he’s willing to do anything out there, a real teammate, and only good things will come from that. So I’m rooting for the guy. He’s only 20 yrs old, on his 2nd year. He’s still overthinking out there, maybe because of the experiment. I’m sure the game will slow down on him, will become instinctive. :bobo

[ambchang]

I feel bad for sochan this year. He played well last year and clearly justified his draft position but this year he got thrown into a horrible situation. Fans come out like a pack of wolves tearing him apart. He actually fell in line to marching orders even though the marching orders were stupid. You can blame him all you want but I still think it’s PATFOs fault. He’s being out in a situation that highlights all his flaws and diminishes all his strengths.

I’m still pretty confident that in a few years he will be a highly valuable starter level player on a contender type team.

[spursparker9]

Let's give Sochan more time to get back his confidence. Pop has destroyed his confidence by playing him at PG

[rankingtear]

They should never give up on him unless there is an upgrade on the roster. You need a top 5 pick these days to get a big wing 4 man.

[baseline bum]

I feel bad for sochan this year. He played well last year and clearly justified his draft position but this year he got thrown into a horrible situation. Fans come out like a pack of wolves tearing him apart. He actually fell in line to marching orders even though the marching orders were stupid. You can blame him all you want but I still think it’s PATFOs fault. He’s being out in a situation that highlights all his flaws and diminishes all his strengths.

I’m still pretty confident that in a few years he will be a highly valuable starter level player on a contender type team.

His defense has been horrible whether playing PG or PF and he's so limited offensively it's hard to see what use he is if he can't be a defensive ace. What exactly are this guy's strengths and what makes you think he's someone who could be a high-end starter on a contender?

[CorrectCrusader]

If anything, I think the PG experiment improved his overall skills.

bruh

[baseline bum]

I don’t know man. I know Jeremy has improved his FT by 100% from last season, and now shooting 37% from 3pts. If anything, I think the PG experiment improved his overall skills. Now he’s back to his natural PG position, and I think that was by design, so let’s see. He’s athletic and he’s shown he’s a willing student of the game, he’s willing to do anything out there, a real teammate, and only good things will come from that. So I’m rooting for the guy. He’s only 20 yrs old, on his 2nd year. He’s still overthinking out there, maybe because of the experiment. I’m sure the game will slow down on him, will become instinctive. :bobo

That three point shot looked awful last night and he's riding small sample size and a hot start on his three point shooting. He's not willing to play defense and I'm a little tired of Pop's a moron being used to excuse how terrible Sochan is. Pop being retarded and having had the game pass him by doesn't stop Vassell or Tre Jones from being quality defensive players.

[lebomb]

Yeah, Sochan looked pretty bad last night. Awful shooting, and if you didnt tell me I would not have even thought he was in the game. That is how much of a non factor he was.

[hater]

Flat feet

Bad hands

Zero vertical

No shot

No periferal vision

Lazy

Seems bipolar

I have doubts that he could even be a decent janitor tbqh

He will be living in his car by 2027. Reminds me of that player that fucked Lebron's mom but with ZERO basketball skills. At least that wigger could ball. Smh

[TheGreatYacht]

I still absolutely despise BWrong for not getting Tari Eason there. I remember the day we drafted this bum, the usual sniffers on social media were saying we got the steal of the draft and that he was the best defender among his peers. He’s not even average on that end on a good day.

In an ideal world, we’re trotting out a top 5 defense this year consisting of:

Wemby
Bates Diop
Eason
Vassell
Jones

[hater]

Flat feet

Bad hands

Zero vertical

No shot

No periferal vision

Lazy

Seems bipolar

I have doubts that he could even be a decent janitor tbqh

He will be living in his car by 2027. Reminds me of that player that fucked Lebron's mom but with ZERO basketball skills. At least that wigger could ball. Smh

Delonte West lol

Hes delonte West with no basketball skills

[rascal]

Watching Sochan's highlights coming into the draft I didn't see the lateral quickness, jumping ability and athleticism. Also he was not a very good shooter from the perimeter or even free throw line so what was going to be his upside on the offensive end.
He was also coming off the bench at Baylor. Why was that? Not someone I wanted the Spurs to burn a top 10 pick on. There was talk about Jalen Duren, Tari Eason, Jalen Williams for that pick.

I wanted the spurs to trade up a little to get Sharpe and if they couldn't do that then draft Duren.

Rodman was a clown and loser when he was in San Antonio. It would be better he would just be forgotten he was a spur instead of being compared to Sochan because of the colored hair.

Sochan will go down and be best remembered for his colored hair and not his game.

I didn't see why so many at Spurstalk wanted Sochan. When polled at Spurstalk Sochan was the one most voted on.

[mo7888]

People need to ease up on Sochan. He is a second year player and is just 20 years old. Let's give him a full three years to see if he improves. He has raw talent and athleticism. Did playing point guard mess with his confidence? Maybe. But the answer to helping him get his confidence back is not to call him a bust when he has played for less than a 1.5 seasons of NBA basketball. He should shoot and the more he shoots, the more opportunities he will have to figure it out and right the ship. His defense runs hot and cold, but that could be said of the entire team except Wemby, who is so physically gifted that he does not have the same learning curve as a normal player.

He looked good his rookie year, and I think he played a little more than half of his rookie season and now he's less than halfway through his 2nd year. That comes to about a season of experience. He has had good moments this year. Let's see what he turns into and judge by that if he fits on this team or not.

I don't see tbe athleticism.

What 'talents' do you see? Not a shooter, not a defender, can handle a little bit, can pass a little bit...

[ambchang]

His defense has been horrible whether playing PG or PF and he's so limited offensively it's hard to see what use he is if he can't be a defensive ace. What exactly are this guy's strengths and what makes you think he's someone who could be a high-end starter on a contender?

His defense wasn’t this bad last year. I’m. It sure what happened. He has a combination of speed and strength that should allow him for be at least decent as a defender. His penetration is also significantly worse this year.

[weebo]

We shouldn’t give up on Jeremy just yet, but only because he’s shown flashes of what he could be…I say if by next year we don’t see a major step forward then you part ways

[spurraider21]

His defense has been horrible whether playing PG or PF and he's so limited offensively it's hard to see what use he is if he can't be a defensive ace. What exactly are this guy's strengths and what makes you think he's someone who could be a high-end starter on a contender?
evne when he was nominally the PG on offense, he wasn't really defending PGs other than Luka, who isnt really a typical PG anyway. usually vassell was defending PGs during that time

[rascal]

His defense wasn’t this bad last year. I’m. It sure what happened. He has a combination of speed and strength that should allow him for be at least decent as a defender. His penetration is also significantly worse this year.

He was bad defensively last year too.

[baseline bum]

His defense wasn’t this bad last year. I’m. It sure what happened. He has a combination of speed and strength that should allow him for be at least decent as a defender. His penetration is also significantly worse this year.

Was similarly bad statistically last year. Wondering if he's lazy or just hasn't been coached how to move his feet. For all his athleticism he is terrible defensively.

[baseline bum]

We shouldn’t give up on Jeremy just yet, but only because he’s shown flashes of what he could be…I say if by next year we don’t see a major step forward then you part ways

He's cheap so you gotta give him another year to develop unless he can be used to get someone better in trade, but another season like this one in 24-25 and the Spurs shouldn't even pick up the option on him.

[spurraider21]

He's cheap so you gotta give him another year to develop unless he can be used to get someone better in trade, but another season like this one in 24-25 and the Spurs shouldn't even pick up the option on him.
well, the deadline to exercise his 25-26 option is prior to the start of the 24-25 season

[Seventyniner]

well, the deadline to exercise his 25-26 option is prior to the start of the 24-25 season

The Spurs picked up Primo's option and cut him shortly after. It would take an utter catastrophe for them not to pick up Sochan's option.

[baseline bum]

well, the deadline to exercise his 25-26 option is prior to the start of the 24-25 season

:pctoss

[baseline bum]

The Spurs picked up Primo's option and cut him shortly after. It would take an utter catastrophe for them not to pick up Sochan's option.

23-24 isn't qualifying as one?

[spurraider21]

23-24 isn't qualifying as one?
he will still be just 20 years old when the reg season ends. i dont think you give up on him, even though he's underperformed. its not like there's a roster crunch, let alone competition at the 4

[Seventyniner]

23-24 isn't qualifying as one?

Not even close. He's only 20. There is very little to lose by keeping Sochan under contract for his first 4 years, like 4-5% of the cap each year, even if the Spurs don't end up extending him.

[baseline bum]

he will still be just 20 years old when the reg season ends. i dont think you give up on him, even though he's underperformed. its not like there's a roster crunch, let alone competition at the 4

Was joking, yeah I'd pick up the option but certainly wouldn't extend him after if he doesn't take a big step forward next year.

[spurraider21]

Was joking, yeah I'd pick up the option but certainly wouldn't extend him after if he doesn't take a big step forward next year.
lol obviously

but you never know with pop saying "i thought he was terrific" after every miserable performance

[hater]

Not even close. He's only 20. There is very little to lose by keeping Sochan under contract for his first 4 years, like 4-5% of the cap each year, even if the Spurs don't end up extending him.

Every minute given to that janitor is minutes lost to someone else

In NBA every minute is $$$

Let that niglet go find a job at Walmart where he will probably get fired in 48 hours

[ambchang]

He was bad defensively last year too.


Was similarly bad statistically last year. Wondering if he's lazy or just hasn't been coached how to move his feet. For all his athleticism he is terrible defensively.

His drtg was similar to last year but the entire team was worse, where as this year there’s some minor improvements but sochan regressed slightly. I agree he should be much more defensively given his physical gifts, he has the willingness. So that is either he’s unaware of defensive situations (really tough to help), lazy (coaching issue) or lacks fundamentals (also coaching issue).

I’m ready to say I’m biased because I like his overall attributes, just that he’s so raw that it will take a much longer time to make into a finished product. He’s sort of like a Wesley at PF and needs significant coaching. Putting him at PG fully messed him up.

[baseline bum]

His drtg was similar to last year but the entire team was worse, where as this year there’s some minor improvements but sochan regressed slightly. I agree he should be much more defensively given his physical gifts, he has the willingness. So that is either he’s unaware of defensive situations (really tough to help), lazy (coaching issue) or lacks fundamentals (also coaching issue).

I’m ready to say I’m biased because I like his overall attributes, just that he’s so raw that it will take a much longer time to make into a finished product. He’s sort of like a Wesley at PF and needs significant coaching. Putting him at PG fully messed him up.

His DFG is downright awful too, though I think a bit of an improvement from last season if I remember right. Not Keldon or Branham bad, but still bottom third or so of the league.

[ambchang]

His DFG is downright awful too, though I think a bit of an improvement from last season if I remember right. Not Keldon or Branham bad, but still bottom third or so of the league.

Yeah he gets assigned to the best player on the other team, without instructions it seems.

[baseline bum]

Yeah he gets assigned to the best player on the other team, without instructions it seems.

You would think he wouldn't need instruction to not leave the best player on the other team wide open at the three point line constantly

[ambchang]

You would think he wouldn't need instruction to not leave the best player on the other team wide open at the three point line constantly

I never understood what they are doing this year. And why they were not coached to stop collapsing the paint unnecessarily on every drive. It’s not just sochan. It’s the entire team.

[Mal]

Spurs are taking his options, no doubt.

[mudd]

he needs to up his bbiq. he has the tools just no court awareness. start shooting free throws like he a bb player, how about g league to get his confidence back. Pop ruined this guy.jmho.

[freetiago]

Continues his low IQ out of the league tour. Invisible all game until the clutch where he passes up an open layup and throws a bad pass leading to a TO when he could have tied it easily

[paperboy77]

he needs to up his bbiq. he has the tools just no court awareness. start shooting free throws like he a bb player, how about g league to get his confidence back. Pop ruined this guy.jmho.

You are right in that Pop completely ruined this guy. Dude has great court awareness or had. Unfortunately, due to whatever Pop instilled in him the guy can't turn it off. Guy was great with zero responsibilities and the green light to just play. Should be stripped of the #10 until he regains that Rodman/Manu type hustle player.

[mo7888]

I just don't think he'll ever put it together here. He needs a change of scenery and a different coach. I'd try and move him now before his value has totally tanked or before I had to pick up that option.

[hater]

This scrubs year reminds me of the Dick Jefferson era

Except Dick could at least play ball

This scrub would struggle selling hot dogs on the sideline

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PpPkskm35ZA

Ben Simons vibes from Sochan :lol

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PpPkskm35ZA

Ben Simons vibes from Sochan :lol

That’s not on Sochan. Wemby messed that up.

[cd98]

That’s not on Sochan. Wemby messed that up.

That's right. Wemby panic passed. It's okay. He's young. Wemby can shoot over all those guys and he had space. Sochan did not have an open dunk and he did the right thing to drive and pass, but unfortunately KJ didn't come to the ball and didn't give Sochan a clean angle to pass the ball. If Sochan had gotten any closer, it would've been a steal by KJ's defender. Of course, maybe a time out would have been best, but again, I'm fine with no timeout, but when you have a young team, this kind of thing happens.

[rascal]

That's right. Wemby panic passed. It's okay. He's young. Wemby can shoot over all those guys and he had space. Sochan did not have an open dunk and he did the right thing to drive and pass, but unfortunately KJ didn't come to the ball and didn't give Sochan a clean angle to pass the ball. If Sochan had gotten any closer, it would've been a steal by KJ's defender. Of course, maybe a time out would have been best, but again, I'm fine with no timeout, but when you have a young team, this kind of thing happens.

If Sochan could jump he would have easily had a dunk there. It was a bad play to pass that off for a 3 point shot when he had it that close to the basket.

[scott]

That play looks like an easy reverse layup using the rim as protection for any competent NBA player. Either that or a strong two handed dunk that will draw a foul. I am confident that is what even Keldon would have done in that situation.

[Chomag]

Sochan had the angle

[CGD]

^ respectfully disagree. Not only was the angle tough, but Allen was right there for the high probably block (which is really why he passes it). The pass to Keldon was the better move over a reverse lay up attempt with Allen contesting in my view.

Wemby will learn when’s it’s time to be “good selfish.”

[CorrectCrusader]

That play looks like an easy reverse layup using the rim as protection for any competent NBA player. Either that or a strong two handed dunk that will draw a foul. I am confident that is what even Keldon would have done in that situation.
or just a simple jumper. Like come on dude

[z0sa]

:lol Sochan 100% had a wide open dunk or at least a reverse, at the worst. Wemby absolutely made the right play and Sochan, in all his glory, botched the fuck out of it.

End of story.

[AusSpur]

The angle for the basket may have been closed or difficult, but Sochan still could have

1. Gone up strong to score anyway
2. Drawn Allen and passed back to Wemby for the easy dunk
3. Continued his dribble along the baseline and passed to Keldon when he made it to position (yes he was late).

Anything but throw it out of bounce really.

[SouthernFryd]

I thought Wemby made the right decision. Sochan was open and is being paid MILLIONS to make that shot or do something with it worthy of his pay. That's why he was down there in the play. He threw the ball away...again.

Sochan and Champagnie should not be in the starting lineup.

And Pop only playing Wemby 24 minutes, is there any doubt now that Pop is actively trying to lose? Pop looks so happy at the end of games talking and laughing to other coaches entourages. He's acting like a Rock Star. While fans and Spurs players are ever more frustrated. I can tell you one thing. Wemby ain't laughing after these losses.

[The Truth #6]

I go back and forth on what Pop's angle is this year. My hope is that he's tanking and has already talked to Kerr about taking over next year (a KOC Ringer article said he's a free agent this summer).

[cd98]

That play looks like an easy reverse layup using the rim as protection for any competent NBA player. Either that or a strong two handed dunk that will draw a foul. I am confident that is what even Keldon would have done in that situation.

No, there was a rim defender on the reverse. If anything, probably should’ve called a time out or not give up his dribble. But point is he is blamed bc he’s the guy this year that Spurstalk will hate on, but both Wemby and KJ have blame too.

[John B]

That's right. Wemby panic passed. It's okay. He's young. Wemby can shoot over all those guys and he had space. Sochan did not have an open dunk and he did the right thing to drive and pass, but unfortunately KJ didn't come to the ball and didn't give Sochan a clean angle to pass the ball. If Sochan had gotten any closer, it would've been a steal by KJ's defender. Of course, maybe a time out would have been best, but again, I'm fine with no timeout, but when you have a young team, this kind of thing happens.

Several fake pumps and he could’ve dunk that with contact, the least getting fouled

[JeffDuncan]

That play looks like an easy reverse layup using the rim as protection for any competent NBA player. Either that or a strong two handed dunk that will draw a foul. I am confident that is what even Keldon would have done in that situation.


Reverse layup?? Sochan had a clear, straight shot at a dunk directly ahead of him, one step away.

At the time the pass was made to Wemby, Sochan was open behind Wemby, with his arm up CALLING FOR THE BALL. Sochan was clear to the basket, and he knew it, and he wanted that pass.

Both defenders were focused on Wemby (of course.) Wemby turned, saw Sochan was clear, and passed to him. Wemby made a perfect pass and it was exactly the right pass to make. Anybody who says otherwise is ignorant of what happened or just plain lying.

At the time Sochan received the pass he was totally clear to the basket. The defenders were still turning.

Sochan had an absolutely straight, clear path to a dunk. And again, this was after Sochan CALLED FOR THE BALL! Except, the straight path he took was to imitate Ben Simmons.

Something awful has happened to Jeremy Sochan. I don’t know what, but he is a damaged player.

[spursparker9]

My view is

1) A grade option: Wemby just need to lay it up high using right hand (toward right side) to avoid Allen
2) B+ grade option: Pass Sochan and Sochan just need to dunk or do it light floater. That angle is hard to bank it in.

So Wemby's decision is fine but Sochan messed it up.

[tbdog]

I go back and forth on what Pop's angle is this year. My hope is that he's tanking and has already talked to Kerr about taking over next year (a KOC Ringer article said he's a free agent this summer).

Sorry? That would be illegal in the game and who would leak that?

[TDMVPDPOY]

pop trying to turn this scrub into ben simmons 2.0

[playbonner15]

Something awful has happened to Jeremy Sochan. I don’t know what, but he is a damaged player.

LMAO he's a 2nd year player

[DrSteffo]

Good game by Sochan. Agree with timvp B+.

[cd98]

Several fake pumps and he could’ve dunk that with contact, the least getting fouled

Several head fakes with the clock running?

[CGD]

The angle for the basket may have been closed or difficult, but Sochan still could have

1. Gone up strong to score anyway
2. Drawn Allen and passed back to Wemby for the easy dunk
3. Continued his dribble along the baseline and passed to Keldon when he made it to position (yes he was late).

Anything but throw it out of bounce really.

Wemby could have also done all those things. He’s also 7’5”

[JeffDuncan]

LMAO he's a 2nd year player


Who’s suddenly afraid to try a dunk that’s right in front of his face, after he called for the ball. That’s a troubling development, no matter how much of a cackling nitwit you are.

[The Truth #6]

Sorry? That would be illegal in the game and who would leak that?

Not sure I follow. But to clarify, the article said nothing about Pop. I'm just guessing and speculating like all of us as to what we are witnessing this season and what the long-term plan is, or isn't. As for illegality, I'm sure if Pop wanted to drop Kerr hints that there may be a job opening next year, I don't see that as something unheard of in the NBA.

[thOOdee]

^^completely agree. Wemby should have taken the shot. He put sochan in a tough spot. Anybody who has played basketball can see it would have been difficult squeeze for a layup/slam. And the way allen had blocked wemby earlier, very low probability. But with that being said, sochan still should have gone up strong with it.

[cd98]

People want to blame Sochan, but if Wemby had shot it and missed it, he would have kept the defensive attention on himself and it would have freed Sochan for the rebound if he missed. I mean, it was not a scripted play, it was essentially pick up ball and I'm sure if they could do it over, several players would have done differently.

[JeffDuncan]

^^completely agree. Wemby should have taken the shot. He put sochan in a tough spot. …


It is not a “tough spot” to be wide open one step away from a dunk.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sochan is a cumulative -304 this year in the =/- category. Good for 3rd worst in the entire league. Only Jordan Poole and Kyle Kuzma are worse. I know it's not the best stat, but -304 definitely indicates that there aren't many good things happening while he is on the court.

[Dejounte]

Sochan is a cumulative -304 this year in the =/- category. Good for 3rd worst in the entire league. Only Jordan Poole and Kyle Kuzma are worse. I know it's not the best stat, but -304 definitely indicates that there aren't many good things happening while he is on the court.

Do me a favor and look up the best teams and their worst players’ cumulative PER… as an experiment.

[Dejounte]

Sochan is a cumulative -304 this year in the =/- category. Good for 3rd worst in the entire league. Only Jordan Poole and Kyle Kuzma are worse. I know it's not the best stat, but -304 definitely indicates that there aren't many good things happening while he is on the court.

No need.

Here it is:
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS

If you notice here, the players that “lead” this statistic are from the worst teams in the NBA. Therefore, this is the wrong way to look at this data since it’s skewed by the quality of the team.

[Dejounte]

And here’s proof why it’s not a great indicator of how a player stacks up against other players:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS&Season=2021-22

SGA and Haliburton were two of the worst players two years ago.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's back being the player from last season. Numbers are basically identical, but with an improved 3-point shot. The sample size is big enough to say it's legit. I'd like to see him work on having a quicker release next. Also loved how he attacked the rim and the 2-man game between him and Wemby. His defense is also much better and his net-rating for January is +5.1, so all the cliff jumpers can calm down.

[rascal]

People want to blame Sochan, but if Wemby had shot it and missed it, he would have kept the defensive attention on himself and it would have freed Sochan for the rebound if he missed. I mean, it was not a scripted play, it was essentially pick up ball and I'm sure if they could do it over, several players would have done differently.

Sochan is a weak rebounder. Sochan as a starting PF needs to dunk that ball on that play.

Sochan needs to go to the bench when the Spurs get a real PF. Spurs trying to win with below average players in starting positions.

[rascal]

He's back being the player from last season. Numbers are basically identical, but with an improved 3-point shot. The sample size is big enough to say it's legit. I'd like to see him work on having a quicker release next. Also loved how he attacked the rim and the 2-man game between him and Wemby. His defense is also much better and his net-rating for January is +5.1, so all the cliff jumpers can calm down.

Sochan wasn't good last year. People at Spurstalk still think he was good.

[Dejounte]

Rascal Hears A Trumpet Horn When Anything Positive Is Said About Sochan, That’s How He Gets Here So Fast To Respond

My Guy, Are You Part Parrot, Part Recycling Bin? Because The Garbage You Spew Is The Same Thing Again And Again

[rascal]

And here’s proof why it’s not a great indicator of how a player stacks up against other players:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS&Season=2021-22

SGA and Haliburton were two of the worst players two years ago.

Those guys improved their games. That is a big reason why those teams have turned things around.

Two years ago you could have said they were playing poorly like those who now can say Sochan has been playing poorly.

Sharpe and Scoot are right there with Sochan and I expect those guys will improve in a couple of years so Sochan can also improve but now he is not playing well along with others on the team and is contributing to the team not winning.

[rascal]

He's back being the player from last season. Numbers are basically identical, but with an improved 3-point shot. The sample size is big enough to say it's legit. I'd like to see him work on having a quicker release next. Also loved how he attacked the rim and the 2-man game between him and Wemby. His defense is also much better and his net-rating for January is +5.1, so all the cliff jumpers can calm down.

Stats are higher for all the Spurs except Devin since the level of competition has been weaker in January.

[RC_Drunkford]

Stats are higher for all the Spurs except Devin since Tre Jones is now starting at PG.

FIFY


Sochan wasn't good last year. People at Spurstalk still think he was good.

He was good enough to make the Rising Stars game, so it weren't just people on spurstalk

[rascal]

FIFY



He was good enough to make the Rising Stars game, so it weren't just people on spurstalk

He only made it because he was getting minutes on a tanking team not trying to win as a starter while other rookies were on the bench. Sochan's stats last year were not good.

[The Truth #6]

And yet made Rookie Second Team.

I think he's playing a lot better lately with the return of his confidence. His outside shots still looks bad stylistically but it's been going in more than I thought it would have, and so despite the hand wringing earlier in the year, it looks like he's learning from the experience and finding a good supporting role in the starting lineup next to Victor.

[RC_Drunkford]

He only made it because he was getting minutes on a tanking team not trying to win as a starter while other rookies were on the bench. Sochan's stats last year were not good.

Shaedon Sharpe only has a good stat line cause he's getting minutes on a tanking team

[rascal]

Shaedon Sharpe only has a good stat line cause he's getting minutes on a tanking team

Sharpe is a more skilled offensive player than Sochan. If you can't see that you are blind.

[rjv]

nice to see sochan showing more leadership out on the floor too.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sharpe is a more skilled offensive player than Sochan. If you can't see that you are blind.

Sochan is a better defensive player than Sharpe. If you can't see that you are blind.

[exstatic]

He's cheap so you gotta give him another year to develop unless he can be used to get someone better in trade, but another season like this one in 24-25 and the Spurs shouldn't even pick up the option on him.

Unfortunately, the options for years 3 and 4 have to be picked up a year early, after years one and two. They’ve already picked up year three for all 3 2022 FRPs, and will have to decide on year four by sometime in late October, before one game of year three is played.

[BackHome]

A quarter of Sochan season was wasted on him trying to be a PG by Pop - I think it will take a month or so to make the transition from playing PG to now playing PF. I will look at February games as I think that will give me a good indication of what we have with Sochan and what his potential may be.

[spurraider21]

A quarter of Sochan season was wasted on him trying to be a PG by Pop - I think it will take a month or so to make the transition from playing PG to now playing PF. I will look at February games as I think that will give me a good indication of what we have with Sochan and what his potential may be.
sochan has authored a number of promising drives where he's able to get past his guy just enough to get off a scoop shot off the glass but he's had a tough time converting those looks.

[ambchang]

Those guys improved their games. That is a big reason why those teams have turned things around.

Two years ago you could have said they were playing poorly like those who now can say Sochan has been playing poorly.

Sharpe and Scoot are right there with Sochan and I expect those guys will improve in a couple of years so Sochan can also improve but now he is not playing well along with others on the team and is contributing to the team not winning.

SGA and Haliburton can improve from two years ago at a similar career stage as Sochan, but Sochan can't because he is playing poorly now, yet SGA and Haliburton were playing poorly back then? Like "What?"

Sharpe is classic empty calories guy, hope he figures things out but that boy is dumb.

Scoot still got something, I think he will be much better than what I originally expected, but still no where close to what others claim he could be before the draft.

[The Truth #6]

Sharpe jump high. Sharpe good. Did I miss anything?

[cd98]

Sochan has played a little over 90 games? He played half of last season and half of this season. Maybe we should let him get more experience before we write him off. He has bad games but he also has really good games. That’s what happens with a young team. But he is a player that has potential to be a solid starter. Let’s not give up on him until he’s had more time to develop. Most rookies take 2-3 years to really step into a quality role. Wembys are rare.

[scott]

Sochan looking a lot better as of late, good to see. It's almost like playing his actual position helps his game.

[freetiago]

Has there anyone whoever falls to the ground more then this man? Hard to think of anyone as uncoordinated and weak as him. He ends up on the floor 5+ times a game trying to post up a smaller player and shooting his always short hook shot somehow.

[DAF86]

I still think he is salvageable, but he needs to find his role. He should put all his efforts into the defensive side of the ball. I don't know what happened to that, it was supossed to be his strength coming out of college. If he can become the main defender of the team, guarding 1 through 5; and on offense just limiting himself to hit the open 3 at a respectable rate and working as a secondary playmaker once they kicked it out to him, he could become a championship level role player ala Aaron Gordon. He has the physical tools, let's see if he has the IQ and effort to pull it off.

[spurraider21]

I still think he is salvageable, but he needs to find his role. He should put all his efforts into the defensive side of the ball. I don't know what happened to that, it was supossed to be his strength coming out of college. If he can become the main defender of the team, guarding 1 through 5; and on offense just limiting himself to hit the open 3 at a respectable rate and working as a secondary playmaker once they kicked it out to him, he could become a championship level role player ala Aaron Gordon. He has the physical tools, let's see if he has the IQ and effort to pull it off.
yeah, been saying it, but he needs to be an impact defender, not just a solid team defense guy or whatever. he needs to fuck shit up on that end.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sochan has played a little over 90 games? He played half of last season and half of this season. Maybe we should let him get more experience before we write him off. He has bad games but he also has really good games. That’s what happens with a young team. But he is a player that has potential to be a solid starter. Let’s not give up on him until he’s had more time to develop. Most rookies take 2-3 years to really step into a quality role. Wembys are rare.

year 3 is usually where you should see a big leap forward. Then again year 5. So next season we really have to evaluate what we have in Sochan, Branham and Wesley. Them going through the motion in their 2nd year is totally normal.

[rascal]

Sochan is a better defensive player than Sharpe. If you can't see that you are blind.

They are both weak defensively. I don't like Sochan's defensive game. And the stats show he isn't good. Sharpe is the better overall player.

[cd98]

year 3 is usually where you should see a big leap forward. Then again year 5. So next season we really have to evaluate what we have in Sochan, Branham and Wesley. Them going through the motion in their 2nd year is totally normal.

Yes, it shocks me that Spurstalk posters are not more realistic as most tend to watch basketball more than the average person. I'm less excited about Branham and Wesley, but there are times where they have looked good, especially Branham. And maybe they are just Lonnie Walkers and if that is the case, then we'll let them walk when their contracts are over, but the last thing this team wants is to miss out on a Chauncy Billups type development. It took him a few years to earn his draft status, but once he did, he became a championship player. Same could be said for a lot of players, like Jermaine O'Neal or even a homegrown player like DJM.

It's funny because I hear people talk about how great DJM was, and he was good for us by year 4, but his first two years in the league, Spurstalk was calling him a bust because he couldn't dribble, shoot, or finish at the rim. Sounds very familiar.

[spurraider21]

Yes, it shocks me that Spurstalk posters are not more realistic as most tend to watch basketball more than the average person. I'm less excited about Branham and Wesley, but there are times where they have looked good, especially Branham. And maybe they are just Lonnie Walkers and if that is the case, then we'll let them walk when their contracts are over, but the last thing this team wants is to miss out on a Chauncy Billups type development. It took him a few years to earn his draft status, but once he did, he became a championship player. Same could be said for a lot of players, like Jermaine O'Neal or even a homegrown player like DJM.

It's funny because I hear people talk about how great DJM was, and he was good for us by year 4, but his first two years in the league, Spurstalk was calling him a bust because he couldn't dribble, shoot, or finish at the rim. Sounds very familiar.
theres an expectation for young players to be inconsistent. i think the alarm bells ring when a player has either made no progress or has regressed. branham is playing worse than he did last year. point sochan was the worst version of sochan we had seen, even compared to rookie sochan.

if sochan can be an impact defender like he has been the last 2 games, the path to him carving out an nba career looks pretty clear because he does have nice ancillary skills, even if theyre not enough to make him an offensive focal point like pop thought. but if he's going to be a bad defender like he has been for long stretches, or just an invisible "good enough" defender, then thats not going to cut it if he wants to be a starter

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/the_bball_index/status/1746577922516009128?s=46

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/hoops_ge/status/1746328185648676878?s=46

[RC_Drunkford]

https://x.com/the_bball_index/status/1746577922516009128?s=46

sidenote: Royce O'Neal is one of my top free agency targets for the offseason

[CGD]

Sochan looking a lot better as of late, good to see. It's almost like playing his actual position helps his game.

True, but you can also clearly see of late how his time at the point has helped him make the right decisions in transition. The PnR/2 man game with Wemby in the last game was also a joy to watch, and something I'd argue is attributable to better decisionmaking with the ball in his hands.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/G7Hyk_gXL18?feature=shared

https://x.com/jeffgspurszone/status/1748913346886127637?s=46

Don’t Look Now But Sochan’s Becoming An Exceptional Versatile Defensive Player And A Reliable Rim Runner/ Paint Scorer… Basically All The Makings Of What The Perfect Mate Next To Wemby Would Be Tbh

[CGD]

Awesome tonight

[Dejounte]

I Just Sounded The Rascal Horn Tbh. Here He Comes In 3, 2, 1…

[mystargtr34]

Great to see Jeremy excelling again in his natural role.

I’m still not sure if he’s a long term 4 next to Wemby, he may be more suited to being the 3 and having a slightly bigger/stronger wing at the 4 provided they can rebound and shoot the 3. It depends on how his body fills out and matures over the next 2-3 years.

[Mr. Body]

Playing really well back in his natural spot. Who could have imagined it?

[CGD]

^ but that’s the thing, it’s not his natural role aside from him being slotted as a front court player. He is much more comfortable with the decision making, and he is definitely developing chemistry with Victor is a cool way as a result. More than Vassell and Victor, which honestly, I still don’t really see.

[John B]

B-but he’s a PF not a PG. People acting like Pop was trying to make him a PG instead of a versatile big who can rim-run, pass, and be that glue guy out there.

[Mr. Body]

^ but that’s the thing, it’s not his natural role aside from him being slotted as a front court player. He is much more comfortable with the decision making, and he is definitely developing chemistry with Victor is a cool way as a result. More than Vassell and Victor, which honestly, I still don’t really see.

He can and will do plenty of playmaking and decisionmaking as a front court player, but now he's using areas of the floor that are more natural to him and is going against bigger players who can't keep up with his speed.

[BacktoBasics]

He can and will do plenty of playmaking and decisionmaking as a front court player, but now he's using areas of the floor that are more natural to him and is going against bigger players who can't keep up with his speed.

I hated the experiment but his court vision and positioning as the team sets up in the half court is significantly improved from last season. I don’t have the time but I’d bet money if you broke down tape there’s a direct line in that development and the experiment.

Open court is still a bit sloppy but you can almost see what he’s seeing. Sochan is a good piece if they can put together a serviceable team in the offseason. This is why you don’t panic and fire sale.

[Mr. Body]

I hated the experiment but his court vision and positioning as the team sets up in the half court is significantly improved from last season. I don’t have the time but I’d bet money if you broke down tape there’s a direct line in that development and the experiment.

Open court is still a bit sloppy but you can almost see what he’s seeing. Sochan is a good piece if they can put together a serviceable team in the offseason. This is why you don’t panic and fire sale.

It was frustrating but now was the time to try. Legit think they wanted to see if they could get Keldon and Sochan on the court at the same time.

Sochan's offenive game is pretty limited right now and he's already pretty effective. It'll be fun to watch him develop.

[Mr. Body]

Dude is shooting. 373 from deep this year.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm really interested how he'd look when he plays next to a 3-and-D SF. Our defense could be really good if we get one in the offseason.

[Ditty]

Sochan is starting to show that defensive potential. Wish we could say a bit more for Vassell.

The shot still doesn't look great but it goes in. He is only 20. Think he hit a bit of a sophomore slump and still averaging 11 a game.

Looking forward to his future, whether it's a starting role or off the bench.

[freetiago]

Sochan is still garbage but Spurstalk has some of the lowest IQ posters who don’t know how to evaluate talent. Sochan only plays well when we’re up against teams with no frontline who are bottom tier defensive teams. His passiveness shooting actually works since he’ll drive to the rim instead of chucking 3s like the other clowns on the team. He’ll probably lay an egg vs any decent frontline like he has all season while airballing shots and falling to the ground every play. If Victor wasn’t setting him up for his points he’d look much worse as well, he can’t do the same for Victor

[r0drig0lac]

swiss army knife