De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

[scott]

Excellent post. The only thing to add is that a retool vs a rebuild seems more like given that they have Sabonis/DD/Murray (who’s having a rough year)/Monk. There could be a mass firesale, but that doesn’t seem likely to me

I agree. Trying to dump all of those guys at once would be unprecedented (the only thing that comes close that I can remember is Gobert/Mitchell and Kyrie/Durant).

Reading Kings fans on Reddit, they seem to want a Forward, and less guards, which surprises me given that they have DDR and Murray eating up minutes. They want Jabari or Tari. Jeremy doesn't fit them at all, but maybe Kangz fans are as bright as the Kangz front office.

[The Truth #6]

One possible wrinkle. I thought Fox didn't make the 2020 Olympic team under Pop and was salty about that, possibly more so because White made the cut over him?

https://aroyalpain.com/2020/02/10/sacramento-kings-fox-team-usa-invite/

Luckily, that was four years ago and athletes are rational and don't hold grudges about things like that.

[Seventyniner]

He has to make an All-NBA team to be supermax eligible. I do think he'd make it if he's here next year.

That's not what I meant. I thought that only a player's original team could ever offer the supermax, regardless of All-NBA teams etc, meaning if the player gets traded then they can't get the supermax from their new team no matter what. But I don't know if that's correct.

[scott]

That's not what I meant. I thought that only a player's original team could ever offer the supermax, regardless of All-NBA teams etc, meaning if the player gets traded then they can't get the supermax from their new team no matter what. But I don't know if that's correct.

I believe this is correct, good call out. The only exception being if a player is traded during rookie contract, he retains eligibility for a Designated Veteran Extension (Supermax) in years 7-9. After 10 years of service, the player is eligible for a 35% max contract without qualifiers.

In Fox's case, his current contract only takes him through his 9th year of service. It might be in his interest to sign a 1-year extension this summer, making him eligible for a 35% deal when his contract expires after the 2026-27 season.

[John B]

One possible wrinkle. I thought Fox didn't make the 2020 Olympic team under Pop and was salty about that, possibly more so because White made the cut over him?

https://aroyalpain.com/2020/02/10/sacramento-kings-fox-team-usa-invite/

Luckily, that was four years ago and athletes are rational and don't hold grudges about things like that.

It was Keldon as a last minute addition. To be fair, Keldon brought intensity even as a young player that that squad greatly lacking.

[KingKev]

Overlooked point. I too am from San Antonio, and there is a zero percent chance I'd voluntarily move back to shithole Texas :lol

haha I’m actually Canadian and have been situated between Vancouver/Toronto and Glasgow these last 5 years but for the right gig I’d absolutely consider Texas despite what you guys say! Suspect that is different for someone born, bread locally with a husband who might sniff a half a billion in career earnings by 40. :lol

LMA coming here because of family ties didn't even work out that well anyways!

[scott]

haha I’m actually Canadian and have been situated between Vancouver/Toronto and Glasgow these last 5 years but for the right gig I’d absolutely consider Texas despite what you guys say! Suspect that is different for someone born, bread locally with a husband who might sniff a half a billion in career earnings by 40. :lol

LMA coming here because of family ties didn't even work out that well anyways!

I'm not gonna get to half a bill... but my success gives me the luxury of never having to live in Texas again :lol

Some people are different though, and like shithole places (I have friends who love living in Houston and Dallas, for example. The best thing I can say about Houston is that it's not Dallas). To each their own.

[MannyIsGod]

Overlooked point. I too am from San Antonio, and there is a zero percent chance I'd voluntarily move back to shithole Texas :lol

I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never fucking move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.

[baseline bum]

That's not what I meant. I thought that only a player's original team could ever offer the supermax, regardless of All-NBA teams etc, meaning if the player gets traded then they can't get the supermax from their new team no matter what. But I don't know if that's correct.

My bad, yeah you're right.

[MannyIsGod]

haha I’m actually Canadian and have been situated between Vancouver/Toronto and Glasgow these last 5 years but for the right gig I’d absolutely consider Texas despite what you guys say! Suspect that is different for someone born, bread locally with a husband who might sniff a half a billion in career earnings by 40. :lol

LMA coming here because of family ties didn't even work out that well anyways!

Yeah you say that but I wonder how long that would be the case after you're paying for bullshit like healthcare in the US.

[scott]

I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never fucking move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.

My non-Chicana wife learned enough from my family while we were in Texas and now I have breakfast tacos (and other Mexican food) at home no matter where we live. 90% of Texas' appeal nullified just like that.

[baseline bum]

I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never fucking move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.

You don't want to experience our 99 degree mid October days?

[MannyIsGod]

My non-Chicana wife learned enough from my family while we were in Texas and now I have breakfast tacos (and other Mexican food) at home no matter where we live. 90% of Texas' appeal nullified just like that.

We can make tortillas but man I cannot find the right chorizo in DC anywhere. We have decent BBQ too.

[scott]

You don't want to experience our 99 degree mid October days?

I remember like it was yesterday, the first time I said "man, fuck this place."

It was the first day of baseball practice my sophomore year, Feb 21, 1996... 100 fucking degrees.

[scott]

We can make tortillas but man I cannot find the right chorizo in DC anywhere. We have decent BBQ too.

Yeah, we had that problem in MA and now in HI. Too many Portuguese, have completely distorted folks ideas of what chorizo is supposed to be.

[baseline bum]

We can make tortillas but man I cannot find the right chorizo in DC anywhere. We have decent BBQ too.

You ever tried Rick Bayless' recipes? MsMaalox turned me on to them and while I haven't made his chorizo from scratch (since I can get Peyton's at HEB) I have been super impressed when I have used his recipes for things like mole poblano, cochinita pibil, pozole, borracho beans, etc.

EDIT: Now that I responded to scott's post I realized yeah I don't think Bayless is going to do greasy ass San Antonio style chorizo :lol

[baseline bum]

Yeah, we had that problem in MA and now in HI. Too many Portuguese, have completely distorted folks ideas of what chorizo is supposed to be.

Guess they don't make the chorizo with real lips and assholes huh? Gotta have the orange grease.

[baseline bum]

I remember like it was yesterday, the first time I said "man, fuck this place."

It was the first day of baseball practice my sophomore year, Feb 21, 1996... 100 fucking degrees.

Wasn't that day like 40 in the morning too? I remember wearing my heavy Starter jacket to walk to school (uphill both ways) and thinking what the fuck at the end of the day and it's like 102 and the damn jacket wouldn't fit in my backpack so gotta wear it. Still, that was a time when 95 was a normal July day instead of 102 like now.

[Frenchfred]

I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never fucking move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.

I live in California but my company is in Houston. Every time I go there I'm telling myself that there is no chance of me moving there. But I can understand that people want to have a big house for their kids, here in California any house around me sells in 3 days for more than a million. But I'd move back to Europe before moving to Texas if I cannot afford to buy in California.

[Davidicus]

Let's compare.

Vassell is a vastly superior player to Whitmore, but Cam is in the second year of a 4/16 deal whereas Vassell is in the first year of a 5/135. Kings are currently hard capped at the first apron, and may value getting more cap flexibility with the "promising young player". However, Advantage Spurs.

Reed is a vastly superior prospect to Tre Jones. Tre is an expiring, and even if he were useful to SAC this season, he wouldn't be there next year. He's just an expiring salary filler. Advantage Rockets.

Adams and Green are just expiring salary filler. No need to think about them as anything else. No advantage to either team here.

Picks:

Spurs best picks to offer are best of ATL/SA 25, 26, 27. After that, I'd say best of DAL/MIN/SA 2030 and then Best of SA/SAC 31 and MIN 31.

Rockets have PHX 27 Unprotected which is pretty juicy, best of HOU/BKN 27, and Best of DAL/PHX 29. If they put those three on the table, accounting for natural variance I'd say those are just about as good as SA's. Where we have the advantage is we can offer the better pick in 25 and 26 if a quicker pick were a priority to SAC.

If it comes down to Vassell + filler versus Cam/Reed + filler, and the picks are a wash, it will depend on whether or not SAC wants Devin's long term salary. It also depends on whether SAC views this as a rebuild or a retool. If they are rebuilding completely, they won't want Devin's salary and age versus Reed/Cam. If they are retooling, it more than likely favors the Spurs.

The two teams competing offers are closers than most Spurs fans would want to admit, IMO.

Everything I’ve heard / read, SAC ownership and fans want to retool and not rebuild. And yeah moving Sabonis and DDR contracts would be mighty. In that case I agree, Spurs players and picks are more appropriate. I also think Tre would plug in nicely in their run n gun system, minus his shot.

[Davidicus]

Overlooked point. I too am from San Antonio, and there is a zero percent chance I'd voluntarily move back to shithole Texas :lol

I did some googling, and Fox has two kids with his wife Recee (from SA). I think Recee’s parents still live in SA. Her dad runs a girls AAU team called SA Finest that looks like is still active. I didn’t do a deep dive into the internet, but if they have two kids and the grandparents are in SA, that’s all you need.

[objective]

Supposedly Fox also likes the small town lifestyle of Sacramento, if true that works in SA's favor.

The biggest hurdle in a trade to any team will probably be ego of Sacramento ownership and management, still thinking they have some kind of title contender. It might take years for them to come around to the obvious that it's just not working there. After being considered dumb by the NBA for moving Halliburton for Sabonis, they're probably going to be too proud to trade away the point guard they chose to keep over Halliburton

[exstatic]

Supposedly Fox also likes the small town lifestyle of Sacramento, if true that works in SA's favor.

The biggest hurdle in a trade to any team will probably be ego of Sacramento ownership and management, still thinking they have some kind of title contender. It might take years for them to come around to the obvious that it's just not working there. After being considered dumb by the NBA for moving Halliburton for Sabonis, they're probably going to be too proud to trade away the point guard they chose to keep over Halliburton

Are you not paying attention to the fact that Rich Paul is involved at this point? And that Fox is a FA in 2026?

[scott]

Here's an absurd idea, just fucking around. Spotrac Trade Machine says this works at the deadline.

https://i.ibb.co/Cv6ShsZ/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-12-24-2024-5-19-51-PM.png


Spurs get Fox, waive Len, and get a homecoming for Lyles and Dougie Fresh
Kangz get to try something completely different, and get their swap back (they probably need another pick from somewhere... probably DET). Monk/Vassell/Murray/Zion/Sabonis becomes their new SL. Sounds fucking terrible, but also very Kangz like. This also puts them in the tax, which is a very Kangz-like move
Pistons essentially get BI for free to bring some vet stability to their young team
NOP avoids the tax, gets to tearing it down, and collects some FRPs. DJM and DDR get to reunite


Who says no? Probably everyone but San Antonio.

[Pauleta14]

Supposedly Fox also likes the small town lifestyle of Sacramento, if true that works in SA's favor.

The biggest hurdle in a trade to any team will probably be ego of Sacramento ownership and management, still thinking they have some kind of title contender. It might take years for them to come around to the obvious that it's just not working there. After being considered dumb by the NBA for moving Halliburton for Sabonis, they're probably going to be too proud to trade away the point guard they chose to keep over Halliburton

Today SAC won that deal. Halliburton conned IND into a max he isn't worth and Sabonis is ridiculously efficient

If they trade Fox, it won't be for sporting/strategy reasons but bc he asked them to.

[itzsoweezee]

No one other than wemby is untouchable.

[Kurik]

Let’s make it happen

[Bill_Brasky]

After today only Wemby is untouchable. Get it done.

[scott]

Fuck it, it took me two whole games from Vassell since I said I wasn't on the Fox train... I'm on it now. Actually it's less of a Fox Train and more of a "Use Devin to Get Someone Better" Train.

[baseline bum]

Fuck it, it took me two whole games from Vassell since I said I wasn't on the Fox train... I'm on it now. Actually it's less of a Fox Train and more of a "Use Devin to Get Someone Better" Train.

Waited way too long to dump Keldon. Now I fear the same shit happening again.

[scott]

Waited way too long to dump Keldon. Now I fear the same shit happening again.

100% - I think moving Devin is the most important thing we can do right now. I'd love to upgrade Keldon, but in his current role that's icing. Right now Devin is in the #2 role, and he sucks complete ass at it and is holding us back. And Collins isn't hurting anyone at the end of the bench, and may become useful at some point in the future in an emergency role.

[LeBowen]

And Collins isn't hurting anyone at the end of the bench, and may become useful at some point in the future in an emergency role.

He'll be useful for the Spurs only when he suits up for another team.


Right now Devin is in the #2 role, and he sucks complete ass at it and is holding us back.

https://streamable.com/ff8cmc

Look at this, what's he even trying to do here? He thought he'd get the rebound by standing right behind Wemby and KAT?

[Guru of Nothing]

Trivial thought, but Fox could really aid in Wesley's development, if there's talent yet to emerge.

[LeBowen]

He's probably the best guard partner for Wemby we can get.

https://i.imgur.com/ulu7tuW.png

Top20 guards by PPG this season.

LaMelo - retard.
SGA - no chance to get him.
Luka - same.
Fox - matter of this discussion.
Lillard - 34.
Brunson - no chance to get him, 6'1 with exploitable defense.
Maxey - another undersized chucker.
Herro - his best year so far, awful defender.
Cade - no way to get him, slow and methodical guard, not what we need. Bad defender.
Kyrie - 32.
Steph -36.
Trae - do I even need to say anything?
Garland - too small, but I actually like him as a player.
Murray - overrated chucker who finally got exposed.
Haliburton - scammed his way into a supermax.
Coby - decent microwave scorer, not someone you rely on.
Schroeder - 31 and a role player.
Ivey - actually an interesting player, but not what we need.
Derrick - no chance to get him back.
Sexton - I'd like him as a 6th man.

Sorting by assists adds CP3, Westbrook and Tyus Jones on the list, I don't think any explanation is needed.

If we exclude players we have absolutely 0% chance to obtain, Fox is easily the best established guard target we can get.
Imo, it's either Fox or just reliable veterans and hoping Castle develops.


I'll bump this list.
If we're out for a legit guard to pair with Wemby, Fox is easily the best option out there. With Castle as his partner.
It's either that or we keep recycling washed veterans until Castle can take over. But if we're to compete like that, then we'd need an all-star wing as the second option. And those are even harder to find.

[scott]

He'll be useful for the Spurs only when he suits up for another team.



https://streamable.com/ff8cmc

Look at this, what's he even trying to do here? He thought he'd get the rebound by standing right behind Wemby and KAT?

Aside from the rebound, wtf was he trying to do on defense? Standing in no man's land, thinking "maybe I'll double team, but instead I'll just stand here and guard no one". If not from a low pass and a tip on pass to OG, that would have been yet another wide open 3.

[scott]

I'll bump this list.
If we're out for a legit guard to pair with Wemby, Fox is easily the best option out there. With Castle as his partner.
It's either that or we keep recycling washed veterans until Castle can take over. But if we're to compete like that, then we'd need an all-star wing as the second option. And those are even harder to find.

I think we should look at this list with SGs included. Heck, I'd even say that we should look at wings as well. The nice thing about Castle and Sochan's versatility is that they allow us to search for our 2nd star at any position (other than C, obviously)

[RC_Drunkford]

Get Fox in the offseason. Wemby needs help and a PG who can get to the rim will be the HOTS that our offense needs.

[LeBowen]

I think we should look at this list with SGs included. Heck, I'd even say that we should look at wings as well. The nice thing about Castle and Sochan's versatility is that they allow us to search for our 2nd star at any position (other than C, obviously)

For me our biggest issue is that we don't have anyone who can take the ball and get to the rim at any given moment. Whenever our set plays don't get executed properly and we revert to random stuff, we have no idea what to do.
That's why I listed point guards.

But if you insist...

https://i.imgur.com/B837RbG.png

Edwards - No chance.
Booker - Next to no chance. Even if available, it won't be before he's 29 and he'd cost literally everything we got.
Powell - 32 at the end of the season.
Brown - No chance.
Barrett - Not a winning player.
Mitchell - No chance before he's 30.
Harden - 35.
Lavine - Hell no.
Poole - Even more hell no.
Green - This list keeps getting worse.
Dick - Chucker on a tanking team.
Sharpe - Same.
Simons - Same.
Reaves - Overhyped turnstile.
Beasley - Shooting guards are just inefficent chuckers.
Mathurin - I actually like him, but no chance.
Keyonte - One chucker to rule them all.
Suggs - We got Castle.
Monk - Just extended, I wanted him as a 6th man.

https://i.imgur.com/ra10iXG.png

Tatum - No chance.
Wagner - No chance.
Lebron - 40.
DDR - 35.
Jalen Johnson - No chance.
Cam Jonhson - Getting both him and Fox would be amazing.
Jimmy - 35.
MPJ - As I said before, I actually really rate him.
Bridges - No chance.
Wiggins - 30, would actually be a solid piece in a 3 team trade if Warriors make a move.
OG - No chance.
Grant- Tank commander.
Brooks - Fuck him.
Avdija - awful.
Murray - No chance.
Marshall - No chance.
Kispert - Mediocre.
Hardaway - Awful.

https://i.imgur.com/0H2itDh.png

Giannis - No chance.
AD - 32.
Williams - No chance.
Miller - No chance.
JJJ - No chance.
Sabonis - Idk why is he listed as PF.
Siakam - No chance.
Randle - Loser.
Markkanen - Fever dream.
Mobley - Bad fit with Wemby.
John Collins - Would be a useful bench piece.
Kuminga - Overrated.
Portis - Taller Keldon.
Aldama - Interesting player, no chance.
Tobias - Awful.
PJ Washington - No chance.
Jabari - No chance.
Amen - Bad fit.
Hachimura - Way overrated, would be a decent piece on a cheap contract.



There you go. Top20 scorers for each position.
Why scorers? Because we desperately need someone who can average 20ppg with ease and that's our biggest issue.
Obviously there are players on rookie deals who can get there, but most of them are unavailable.

With that being said, out of these 77 players (3 are Spurs), these would be my realistic targets:

PG: Fox
SG: -
SF: Cam Johnson, MPJ
PF: Markkanen, John Collins

Other than that, it's down to drafting help for Wemby, getting more veterans on cheap deals or finding reclamation projects like Champagnie.
But none of those will take us to the next level. Rookies will need at least a couple of seasons to get going, cheap veterans and reclamation projects are just complementary pieces, not actual help for Wemby.

I consider myself to be someone who is knowledgeable about what's going on around the league, but I'm open to anyone who thinks that these lists are bad and that some of these players we have no chance of getting are realistic targets.
Mind you, if some become available, asking prices would be ridiculous and it wouldn't be worth it.

Finding perfect targets takes so many variables to allign.
Age, contract length, fit with Wemby, character, injury history etc. Really difficult to get most of them right.

We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.

[mo7888]

For me our biggest issue is that we don't have anyone who can take the ball and get to the rim at any given moment. Whenever our set plays don't get executed properly and we revert to random stuff, we have no idea what to do.
That's why I listed point guards.

But if you insist...

https://i.imgur.com/B837RbG.png

Edwards - No chance.
Booker - Next to no chance. Even if available, it won't be before he's 29 and he'd cost literally everything we got.
Powell - 32 at the end of the season.
Brown - No chance.
Barrett - Not a winning player.
Mitchell - No chance before he's 30.
Harden - 35.
Lavine - Hell no.
Poole - Even more hell no.
Green - This list keeps getting worse.
Dick - Chucker on a tanking team.
Sharpe - Same.
Simons - Same.
Reaves - Overhyped turnstile.
Beasley - Shooting guards are just inefficent chuckers.
Mathurin - I actually like him, but no chance.
Keyonte - One chucker to rule them all.
Suggs - We got Castle.
Monk - Just extended, I wanted him as a 6th man.

https://i.imgur.com/ra10iXG.png

Tatum - No chance.
Wagner - No chance.
Lebron - 40.
DDR - 35.
Jalen Johnson - No chance.
Cam Jonhson - Getting both him and Fox would be amazing.
Jimmy - 35.
MPJ - As I said before, I actually really rate him.
Bridges - No chance.
Wiggins - 30, would actually be a solid piece in a 3 team trade if Warriors make a move.
OG - No chance.
Grant- Tank commander.
Brooks - Fuck him.
Avdija - awful.
Murray - No chance.
Marshall - No chance.
Kispert - Mediocre.
Hardaway - Awful.

https://i.imgur.com/0H2itDh.png

Giannis - No chance.
AD - 32.
Williams - No chance.
Miller - No chance.
JJJ - No chance.
Sabonis - Idk why is he listed as PF.
Siakam - No chance.
Randle - Loser.
Markkanen - Fever dream.
Mobley - Bad fit with Wemby.
John Collins - Would be a useful bench piece.
Kuminga - Overrated.
Portis - Taller Keldon.
Aldama - Interesting player, no chance.
Tobias - Awful.
PJ Washington - No chance.
Jabari - No chance.
Amen - Bad fit.
Hachimura - Way overrated, would be a decent piece on a cheap contract.



There you go. Top20 scorers for each position.
Why scorers? Because we desperately need someone who can average 20ppg with ease and that's our biggest issue.
Obviously there are players on rookie deals who can get there, but most of them are unavailable.

With that being said, out of these 77 players (3 are Spurs), these would be my realistic targets:

PG: Fox
SG: -
SF: Cam Johnson, MPJ
PF: Markkanen, John Collins

Other than that, it's down to drafting help for Wemby, getting more veterans on cheap deals or finding reclamation projects like Champagnie.
But none of those will take us to the next level. Rookies will need at least a couple of seasons to get going, cheap veterans and reclamation projects are just complementary pieces, not actual help for Wemby.

I consider myself to be someone who is knowledgeable about what's going on around the league, but I'm open to anyone who thinks that these lists are bad and that some of these players we have no chance of getting are realistic targets.
Mind you, if some become available, asking prices would be ridiculous and it wouldn't be worth it.

Finding perfect targets takes so many variables to allign.
Age, contract length, fit with Wemby, character, injury history etc. Really difficult to get most of them right.

We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.

I think Kispert would be a sneaky good piece here.

[spurs10]

Fuck it, it took me two whole games from Vassell since I said I wasn't on the Fox train... I'm on it now. Actually it's less of a Fox Train and more of a "Use Devin to Get Someone Better" Train. What I was thinking exactly. He is not our #2 by any means.

[DAF86]

Go get Fox and Markkanen in the offseason, Wemby might be top 5 already. :wakeup

[itzsoweezee]

We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.

Agreed. Cam Johnson also has got be very gettable this season. Spurs have the assets to get these guys. There’s no more benefit to waiting

[Dejounte]

For me our biggest issue is that we don't have anyone who can take the ball and get to the rim at any given moment. Whenever our set plays don't get executed properly and we revert to random stuff, we have no idea what to do.
That's why I listed point guards.

But if you insist...

https://i.imgur.com/B837RbG.png

Edwards - No chance.
Booker - Next to no chance. Even if available, it won't be before he's 29 and he'd cost literally everything we got.
Powell - 32 at the end of the season.
Brown - No chance.
Barrett - Not a winning player.
Mitchell - No chance before he's 30.
Harden - 35.
Lavine - Hell no.
Poole - Even more hell no.
Green - This list keeps getting worse.
Dick - Chucker on a tanking team.
Sharpe - Same.
Simons - Same.
Reaves - Overhyped turnstile.
Beasley - Shooting guards are just inefficent chuckers.
Mathurin - I actually like him, but no chance.
Keyonte - One chucker to rule them all.
Suggs - We got Castle.
Monk - Just extended, I wanted him as a 6th man.

https://i.imgur.com/ra10iXG.png

Tatum - No chance.
Wagner - No chance.
Lebron - 40.
DDR - 35.
Jalen Johnson - No chance.
Cam Jonhson - Getting both him and Fox would be amazing.
Jimmy - 35.
MPJ - As I said before, I actually really rate him.
Bridges - No chance.
Wiggins - 30, would actually be a solid piece in a 3 team trade if Warriors make a move.
OG - No chance.
Grant- Tank commander.
Brooks - Fuck him.
Avdija - awful.
Murray - No chance.
Marshall - No chance.
Kispert - Mediocre.
Hardaway - Awful.

https://i.imgur.com/0H2itDh.png

Giannis - No chance.
AD - 32.
Williams - No chance.
Miller - No chance.
JJJ - No chance.
Sabonis - Idk why is he listed as PF.
Siakam - No chance.
Randle - Loser.
Markkanen - Fever dream.
Mobley - Bad fit with Wemby.
John Collins - Would be a useful bench piece.
Kuminga - Overrated.
Portis - Taller Keldon.
Aldama - Interesting player, no chance.
Tobias - Awful.
PJ Washington - No chance.
Jabari - No chance.
Amen - Bad fit.
Hachimura - Way overrated, would be a decent piece on a cheap contract.



There you go. Top20 scorers for each position.
Why scorers? Because we desperately need someone who can average 20ppg with ease and that's our biggest issue.
Obviously there are players on rookie deals who can get there, but most of them are unavailable.

With that being said, out of these 77 players (3 are Spurs), these would be my realistic targets:

PG: Fox
SG: -
SF: Cam Johnson, MPJ
PF: Markkanen, John Collins

Other than that, it's down to drafting help for Wemby, getting more veterans on cheap deals or finding reclamation projects like Champagnie.
But none of those will take us to the next level. Rookies will need at least a couple of seasons to get going, cheap veterans and reclamation projects are just complementary pieces, not actual help for Wemby.

I consider myself to be someone who is knowledgeable about what's going on around the league, but I'm open to anyone who thinks that these lists are bad and that some of these players we have no chance of getting are realistic targets.
Mind you, if some become available, asking prices would be ridiculous and it wouldn't be worth it.

Finding perfect targets takes so many variables to allign.
Age, contract length, fit with Wemby, character, injury history etc. Really difficult to get most of them right.

We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.

The goal is to get another consistent scorer on the team, not get another consistent scorer who fits Wemby’s made up timeline.

Butler, Harden, any guy who is over 30 should be welcome here. Those are the only types of players who would push a team past its limits. Not weak minded, overachieving players like Cam Johnson who looks good playing for nothing right now and would look bad on a team where he’d be expected to lead (with that kind of haul and salary).

The team needs alpha scorers who know how to get it done. That’s not something the Spurs will develop from guys they don’t draft.

[LeBowen]

The goal is to get another consistent scorer on the team, not get another consistent scorer who fits Wemby’s made up timeline.

Butler, Harden, any guy who is over 30 should be welcome here. Those are the only types of players who would push a team past its limits. Not weak minded, overachieving players like Cam Johnson who looks good playing for nothing right now and would look bad on a team where he’d be expected to lead (with that kind of haul and salary).

The team needs alpha scorers who know how to get it done. That’s not something the Spurs will develop from guys they don’t draft.

I don't have anything against veterans, I just don't think using a FRP on 35 year old Jimmy and giving him a three year extension would be worth it.
I'd use assets to get veterans only when we start actually competing for championships.

Cam Johnson is a good complementary piece, not a second option.
Fox/Champ/Cam/Wemby with either Castle or Jeremy would be a legit starting lineup.

[Dejounte]

I don't have anything against veterans, I just don't think using a FRP on 35 year old Jimmy and giving him a three year extension would be worth it.
I'd use assets to get veterans only when we start actually competing for championships.

Cam Johnson is a good complementary piece, not a second option.
Fox/Champ/Cam/Wemby with either Castle or Jeremy would be a legit starting lineup.
As we learned this year, expecting anything out of FRPs is pointless. Give me the past their prime future HOFers out of those middling FRPs instead please. No 15th pick is going to be half as good as those oldies.

[scott]

The goal is to get another consistent scorer on the team, not get another consistent scorer who fits Wemby’s made up timeline.


I’ve been beating this drum for a year+, but every player is on Wemby’s timeline because Wemby’s timeline is going to be 15+ years and involve multiple phases. In fact, the players LEAST on Wemby’s timeline are mid to late round FRPs who are going to need multiple years to develop. It will be fine to add them, but we shouldn’t be counting on them as our primary path to the future, because then we are just wasting the first phase of the Wemby Timeline, the 2.5 more years we have him on the equivalent of an MLE deal.

I think you are absolutely correct that we shouldn’t count out the Butlers and Hardens (well, not because of age anyway… I count out Harden for other reasons). Yes, it would be nice to partner Wemby with a 23-year old ready made superstar like Ant… but that’s not going to happen. Fox and Markkanen are appealing because they are 27 and offer a 5-8 year window as opposed to a 2-3 year window like a Jimmy Butler. With that said, we should be open to these older guys. Look at what a CP3 has been able to do at about 40% of his prime.

With that said, it of course all comes down to cost. If an old guy like Dame is going to come with a Dame cost, then yeah, maybe it’s worth taking a pause. But if you could get Jimmy on a bargain (which I’m not saying we could… I have no clue what MIA would want), then I wouldn’t hate it. Vassell + the CHI pick? I’m in. Castle + Sochan + 2 FRPs? That’s a no for me, dawg.

[Dejounte]

Yeah Devin and a FRP or two and I’m game.

however, after Jimmy and CP getting into it in their last game against each other this might not be a possibility after all. They don’t even follow each other on the gram. Me wonders if there’s animosity towards each other.

Fuck, just get Fox here and be done with it.

[Mal]

Vassell + the CHI pick? I’m in. Castle + Sochan + 2 FRPs? That’s a no for me, dawg.

For Jimmy Butler ? Whats the point ?

He is not picking his option. He would want more years and more money in total after any trade - something like not picking 52mil, but gets 110-120 mil / 3 yrs. And then whole cap space is gone for 38 years old SF, who cant play 60 games a season

[100%duncan]

This fucking loss stings so much that it has people convinced to get Butler. Even I am starting to get moved by this thought :lol


But officially, I am on the get Fox train. Offer would be:

Dev
ATL '25 pick
ATL '26 Swap
Filler/how many SRPs they may fucking like idgaf

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/MUuD606WspU?feature=shared

I’m more excited about this possibility than I was for Markkanen, tbh.

rook (Castle) will have to give up his number.

[Mr. Body]

Folks be like Fox is a huge game changer and then be like we get him for the player we all hate and like two first round picks that never matter.

[itzsoweezee]

Folks be like Fox is a huge game changer and then be like we get him for the player we all hate and like two first round picks that never matter.

Yes, when a high quality player is approaching the end of his contract, his current team is going to have very little leverage. If Sacramento doesn’t trade before the trading deadline this season, they’re fucked (assuming Fox wants to come to San Antonio)

[Mr. Body]

Yes, when a high quality player is approaching the end of his contract, his current team is going to have very little leverage. If Sacramento doesn’t trade before the trading deadline this season, they’re fucked (assuming Fox wants to come to San Antonio)

Lol

Yeah. If they have to trade him. And if there are no other bidders. Sure.

[rankingtear]

Fox had 1 great season and struggled in his only playoff series best I can do is KJ, Zollins and CHA pick.

[itzsoweezee]

Lol

Yeah. If they have to trade him. And if there are no other bidders. Sure.

They have to trade him if he says he’s not going to extend. And if he has a destination he wants to go to, the offers Sacramento is going to get are going to be shit. Just look at the crap Portland got for Lillard.

[scott]

It certainly doesn't help that Vassell's trade value right now might be the lowest its been in 2 years. Hopefully he pulls it together to increase his trade value, at a minimum.

[sfernald]

That was me about the Phases. Duncan had championship stages to his career: The Twin Towers Era, the Big 3 Era, and the Beautiful Game Era. Yes, a lot of those players crossed over into multiple windows, but those were all teams built totally differently around Tim.

This is an arguement for not being overly concerned with perfectly aligning with Wemby's "Timeline" but I think it's also a good argument for why you don't want to go overboard and do something like trade for Fox and Markkanen. Those two moves would cost us A LOT, probably beyond our excess draft capital and into our own, leaving us pretty bare.

There is a nice balance to be had.

When does Wemby leave the “I don’t give a fuck that I’ve got the shittiest shot selection in the league!” phase by the way?

[scott]

When does Wemby leave the “I don’t give a fuck that I’ve got the shittiest shot selection in the league!” phase by the way?

This is a great question, and I'm glad you asked. Ready for the answer?

It will be when he isn't third on the team in TS% behind Mamu and Barnes. Right now his shot selection isn't crowding out a better performer. His shooting, even if the shot selection is not great, is still the best offensive option we have. When he has better teammates who are competent on the offensive end, and Wemby's shooting becomes the thing holding us back as opposed to the thing keeping us in it, then he'll be motivated to leave that phase. Right now there is no accountability, because there is no on-the-court cause to be accountable to.

[sfernald]

First, Fox was measured before his draft, his official measurements were:
Height without shoes: 6' 2''
Height with shoes: 6' 3.25''
Standing reach: 8' 4''
Weight: 169.6 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 6.5''

Vecenie had a quite interesting podcast about Fox. For him, Rockets are the team that should try the most to get him. What he is hearing about Spurs is that Klutch has tried for quite some time to put a guard in SA with Wembanyama.
Link below start at that tidbit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKE4V09nL0c&t=1800s

He’s a big rockets fan tho if you watch his pods enough so take that with a grain of salt. He also still thinks Reed Shepard will be an nba all star someday apparently.

[sfernald]

This is a great question, and I'm glad you asked. Ready for the answer?

It will be when he isn't third on the team in TS% behind Mamu and Barnes. Right now his shot selection isn't crowding out a better performer. His shooting, even if the shot selection is not great, is still the best offensive option we have. When he has better teammates who are competent on the offensive end, and Wemby's shooting becomes the thing holding us back as opposed to the thing keeping us in it, then he'll be motivated to leave that phase. Right now there is no accountability, because there is no on-the-court cause to be accountable to.

It will never happen then I’m afraid my friend because he’s already the top dog on the team and nba teams always do as the top dog does so I wouldn’t really ever expect any of the “other” players to start improving their shot selection if he doesn’t first.

i honestly do think though that if he played with the mindset of always taking the very best shot he can get and working hard during the clock to get said shot rather than settling (with layup #1 best shot and wide open three at three point line being #2) they probably would have won not only this game but several others they lost this season. It would be a completely different much scarier team if he considered his odds of making a shot before he settled).

[scott]

It will never happen then I’m afraid my friend because he’s already the top dog on the team and nba teams always do as the top dog does so I wouldn’t really ever expect any of the “other” players to start improving their shot selection if he doesn’t first.

i honestly do think though that if he played with the mindset of always taking the very best shot he can get and working hard during the clock to get said shot rather than settling (with layup #1 best shot and wide open three at three point line being #2) they probably would have won not only this game but several others they lost this season. It would be a completely different much scarier team if he considered his odds of making a shot before he settled).

I think Victor wants to win and will do what it takes to win. Right now he probably has the mindset that his shot is the best chance for the team to win, because what's the alternative? Sochan can't shoot, CP3 can't get open, and if you pass it to Devin he's going to pound the air out of the ball before settling for an equally tough shot, probably while double teamed as Champ stands wide open in the corner.

Pair Wemby with a more competent team, and I think that will give him the confidence to have better shot selection and pass up some of those other shots.

At least... that's my hope. I certainly could be wrong and maybe Wemby will never change, in which case we better hope he becomes Steph Curry.

[sfernald]

I think Victor wants to win and will do what it takes to win. Right now he probably has the mindset that his shot is the best chance for the team to win, because what's the alternative? Sochan can't shoot, CP3 can't get open, and if you pass it to Devin he's going to pound the air out of the ball before settling for an equally tough shot, probably while double teamed as Champ stands wide open in the corner.

Pair Wemby with a more competent team, and I think that will give him the confidence to have better shot selection and pass up some of those other shots.

At least... that's my hope. I certainly could be wrong and maybe Wemby will never change, in which case we better hope he becomes Steph Curry.

lol right on that Devin observation haha. I’m of course hoping he figures it out too. He reminds me of some of these aggressive gamblers I see sometimes at the Las Vegas blackjack tables who don’t hesitate splitting two tens. He has such an advantage but lets the other team off the hook so much right now. It’s like he starts out every hand with two tens and just gets bored with the easy stuff.

[cutewizard]

I'm 100% onboard as long as we don't lose Vassell. I've called it for years, plural, now: Vassell will be the best 3rd option in the League when we are winning title(s).

,...................

Good Sir, still high on Vassell??

[cutewizard]

Let me see how good Fox is......

[Gagnrath]

I think that Castle is a guy who ends up being more of a shooting guard who takes over ball-handling when the starting PG goes to the bench to rest or a pg by committee type like what boston has. I think he also ends up as a capable but not great shooter. I also see a guy who can guard 1-3 and some 4s in a pretty lockdown fashion. He's 6'6" and solid as a 20 y/o rookie, he's probably going to lose a little tiny bit of speed and agility over the next few years but also be a guy who can bully smaller guards a bit.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odlKCN0dQWY

[cutewizard]

by gawd, De'Aaron is quick!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XLVwYFXvJg

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH38LOUejf4

[Gagnrath]

I think we should look at this list with SGs included. Heck, I'd even say that we should look at wings as well. The nice thing about Castle and Sochan's versatility is that they allow us to search for our 2nd star at any position (other than C, obviously)


Honestly we can even look at a C, Wemby would be perfectly happy playing PF he likes to play outside, most of the combo forwards that are a PF/SF playing in a starting role aren't faster than him and he can soft guard them at 4' away, he becomes a really scary shot blocker roving backside closing guarding in that role. A big burly center with a decent shot becomes really scary when he can play high low with a 7'4" mobile big. On the same line who's going to try and drive on that mess? Do you really want to try and shoot over Wemby as a 6'9" PF even if you have a 4' cushion?

[objective]

Tried searching through his injury history, and at least at the pro level he doesn't have the same kind of athleticism sapping lower body injuries like some players (Vassell)

I saw games missed for ankle, hip, hamstrings, etc but didn't notice any major surgeries, but I could have missed something. He just turned 27 but I could see him maintaining his athletic skill a few more years

[z0sa]

,...................

Good Sir, still high on Vassell??

Yep. Opinion doesn’t change due to the sky is falling shit around here for a December game :lol. Dude missed the entire off season and barely hit the SL after being injured again. If he’s healthy, he’s a keeper if not our 2nd option of the future. Only time - playing time - will tell.

If he continues to be injured for long periods, sure get rid of him. If we can’t get Fox or whomever without giving up Vassell, well expect to spin our wheels some more.

[LeBowen]

Fox had 1 great season and struggled in his only playoff series best I can do is KJ, Zollins and CHA pick.

Sometimes I honestly hate that there's no moderation whatsoever on this forum.
It's fine to have preferences, but some of you spew such nonsense, just unbelievable, that post is honestly ban worthy.

From the start of 2021-22 Fox has averaged 25/4/6 on 48/34/75 with 1.5 steals.
In his only playoff series he averaged 27/5/8 on 43/33/75 with 2 steals.

What's he supposed to do with that shit front office that thinks 35 year old DDR is worth trading away a FRP for?

Wemby is a better player than Fox and won't make the playoffs this year. Maybe Jokic would make the playoffs with this garbage roster, but that's it.
According to your logic, Wemby is a bad player.

[jesterbobman]

Fox would be awesome.

One thing I've said in past threads, that I still think is accurate is that the Spurs thought Wemby would be ready to be a legitimate title contending star from Year 4 on (early!), and wanted maximise the 15 year window from 2026 until 2040. Taking off the immediate winning glasses and satisfaction as a fan, and putting on nerd glasses, I think that's right. That would be a very early timeline for someone to be that good, and early planning has to accept that it's unlikely someone is a superstar from Day 1. Lots of teams have got in trouble rushing development, not having enough assets at the right time to improve, and capping out just below. It's the Cavs issue with early LeBron, Pelicans with AD (not the same, but the idea), Mavs trading for KP in year 1 of Luka...

Still early, but it looks like he'll be that kind of player even earlier than year 4.

Barnes, Collins come off books in 2026 and at that point we'll have max space, and could sign Fox outright. If I was a NBA star looking to win for the next decade, it's hard to see a better option than Wemby as a partner (generously. Batman and Robin feels generous to the Robin).

The Spurs FO question isn't would Fox make us better now. He would.

It's that given we should be a draw in 2026, and we're aiming to maximise a 15 year window around giant french alien/ modern day Kareem, what would make the giant french alien/ modern day Kareem happy, and is he OK waiting a year in fringe playoff mode if we have confidence that by waiting we'll be able to turn the team into something even better (Fox in FA, some picks into a third high level player, enough left over to upgrade backup positions, then replensh via a swap hitting in 2028 / 2030 / 2031) that gives him a roster around him that can contend for titles for a long time.

If Fox is available for Devin and a pick, easy yes. If it'd be 5 picks, Castle, Vassell...? Wemby can probably understand that makes the Spurs a bit better now, but that's not the goal.

[rankingtear]

Sometimes I honestly hate that there's no moderation whatsoever on this forum.
It's fine to have preferences, but some of you spew such nonsense, just unbelievable, that post is honestly ban worthy.

From the start of 2021-22 Fox has averaged 25/4/6 on 48/34/75 with 1.5 steals.
In his only playoff series he averaged 27/5/8 on 43/33/75 with 2 steals.

What's he supposed to do with that shit front office that thinks 35 year old DDR is worth trading away a FRP for?

Wemby is a better player than Fox and won't make the playoffs this year. Maybe Jokic would make the playoffs with this garbage roster, but that's it.
According to your logic, Wemby is a bad player.

34/75 shooting splits on volume ouch. Have to rescind that CHA pick.

[LeBowen]

34/75 shooting splits on volume ouch. Have to rescind that CHA pick.

Yeah, you're just another one of those users in here who have nothing to do with their life and just tries to stir shit and trigger people.

[CGD]

If I’m SAC I would much rather deal with Houston than San Antonio.

At present, their young guys (Sengun, Thompson, Eason, Smith, Jimmer) seem to be trending in a good direction, while the star of our young guys has dimmed this season (Dev, keldon). Also, Houston has as many exciting picks as we do.

Reed, Amen, Smith and picks would be a great way to start the reboot

[rankingtear]

Yeah, you're just another one of those users in here who have nothing to do with their life and just tries to stir shit and trigger people.
KJ + Zollins is fair value for the next albatross contract.

[exstatic]

34/75 shooting splits on volume ouch. Have to rescind that CHA pick.

Yeah,that’s not great,but I guess the hope would be that sliding into the #2 spot and playing off Wemby’s gravity would improve the efficiency. I think his 7 years have proved that he’s not a #1 on a contender.

[exstatic]

Yeah, you're just another one of those users in here who have nothing to do with their life and just tries to stir shit and trigger people.

It’s legit to be concerned about those numbers. Inefficiencies are magnified by volume. He might gain some efficiency playing off Wemby’s gravity.

[LeBowen]

It’s legit to be concerned about those numbers. Inefficiencies are magnified by volume. He might gain some efficiency playing off Wemby’s gravity.

It's absolutely not legit to write that Fox had one good season in his career.
I can't take him seriously after that obvious trigger bait.

[exstatic]

It's absolutely not legit to write that Fox had one good season in his career.
I can't take him seriously after that obvious trigger bait.

The only part you quoted was about the shooting splits of 34/75. That’s was I was posting about, and it’s a legit concern.

[LeBowen]

The only part you quoted was about the shooting splits of 34/75. That’s was I was posting about, and it’s a legit concern.

Check his previous posts, it's just blatant baiting.

[Knoxxx]

Fox would be an upgrade question be the price.

[spurraider21]

i kinda agree with Bruno that it feels more like Fox vs Castle rather than Fox vs Vassell

it would feel rough to part with Castle but Fox is on a different level. he's a borderline #1 on offense and certainly would be a high end #2. then you keep vassell as the aspiring #3

a Fox/Castle backcourt seems pretty janky on paper given their respective styles of play. fox isnt a bad defender, but he's never going to have the same defensive upside as Castle, but for that level of offense its a trade-off you'd take.

assuming a summer trade, and given that Sacto has some flexibility due to some small trade exceptions, castle + one of collins/keldon + one of branham/wesley would get it done. you'd assume they'd prefer collins who would at least be an expiring deal at the time.

then its just a matter of how many picks it takes to make it right. obviously we could unwind 20131 swap, and we have a ton of excess capital to work with

[rankingtear]

i kinda agree with Bruno that it feels more like Fox vs Castle rather than Fox vs Vassell

it would feel rough to part with Castle but Fox is on a different level. he's a borderline #1 on offense and certainly would be a high end #2. then you keep vassell as the aspiring #3

a Fox/Castle backcourt seems pretty janky on paper given their respective styles of play. fox isnt a bad defender, but he's never going to have the same defensive upside as Castle, but for that level of offense its a trade-off you'd take.

assuming a summer trade, and given that Sacto has some flexibility due to some small trade exceptions, castle + one of collins/keldon + one of branham/wesley would get it done. you'd assume they'd prefer collins who would at least be an expiring deal at the time.

then its just a matter of how many picks it takes to make it right. obviously we could unwind 20131 swap, and we have a ton of excess capital to work with

Fox doesn't work with another lead ballhandler that is the reason they shipped Hali out. It has to be Castle for Fox for it to work.

[LeBowen]

Fox doesn't work with another lead ballhandler that is the reason they shipped Hali out. It has to be Castle for Fox for it to work.

That's what people said about Mitchell and Garland last season. Myself included.
Kings and Pacers made that trade because it made too much sense. It was actually the Pacers who had more issues with Turner-Sabonis combo and had no perimeter creation.

Unlike Haliburton, Castle doesn't look like a heliocentric playmaker.

[spurraider21]

That's what people said about Mitchell and Garland last season. Myself included.
Kings and Pacers made that trade because it made too much sense. It was actually the Pacers who had more issues with Turner-Sabonis combo and had no perimeter creation.

Unlike Haliburton, Castle doesn't look like a heliocentric playmaker.
works because they can both shoot well

[LeBowen]

works because they can both shoot well

Allen has no jumpshot and Mobley just started taking 3s on relevant volume.

It's not between Castle and Devin, but between Castle and Jeremy because both can't start until at least one has a reliable shot.

[gambit1990]

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/75/70/74/16224044/12/960x0.webp

[rascal]

Forget about Fox.

Spurs won't part with their treasured draft picks.

[onechance87]

Forget about Fox.

Spurs won't part with their treasured draft picks.

probably for the best...Cause these other young dudes coming up with wemby aint it.

[BatManu20]

Fox's lackadaisical defense leads to one of the dumbest fouls of the season. Lost them the game after they blew a 26-point lead in the 4th, handing the Kings their 5th straight loss. They fall to 13-18 on the season.

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[100%duncan]

Fox with one of the dumbest fouls of the season. Lost them the game after they blew a 26-point lead in the 4th, handing the Kings their 5th straight loss. They fall to 13-18 on the season.

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Fit right in with us tbh

[scott]

Fox's lackadaisical defense leads to one of the dumbest fouls of the season. Lost them the game after they blew a 26-point lead in the 4th, handing the Kings their 5th straight loss. They fall to 13-18 on the season.

1872519340513444243

Yikes that's bad.

Some additional food for thought on Fox after listening to Vecenie last podcast where he spoke at length on Fox:

1. If the Kings are far out of the play-in picture come the end of January, then you might see Fox moved at the deadline

2. If Fox somehow makes all NBA (which probably requires #1 not coming true), then he'll definitely sign that SuperMax with SAC

3. SAC is a pretty sad franchise with a loyal, basketball loving fan base. That franchise doesn't need to win titles to necessarily be successful, they just have to put a decent product on the floor. The Fox-led Kings have been the best they've had in a long time, so it will be tough for the ownership to want to move away from that, even if they should

4. SA and HOU are the destinations that make the most sense

5. Sam has "heard" (which I believe is 100% true and he's not giving more detail because he doesn't want to out his sources) that Klutch wants to pair one of their guard clients with Wemby. Me reading between the lines: This of course doesn't necessarily mean it will happen... but it might work in SA's favor if a Klutch guard client wants to move. SA may get a discount on the trade acquisition cost (though Klutch is going to certainly not going to give a discount on the salary)

[baseline bum]

5. Sam has "heard" (which I believe is 100% true and he's not giving more detail because he doesn't want to out his sources) that Klutch wants to pair one of their guard clients with Wemby. Me reading between the lines: This of course doesn't necessarily mean it will happen... but it might work in SA's favor if a Klutch guard client wants to move. SA may get a discount on the trade acquisition cost (though Klutch is going to certainly not going to give a discount on the salary)

Any ideas who the other guards Klutch might steer here could be?

EDIT: Ugh looked at Rich Paul's client list and not too impressive at guard positions outside of Fox and guys who probably aren't likely to move (Maxey and Garland). Otherwise it's mid guys like Dejounte, Lavine, VanVleet, Sexton, and then scrubby Scoot. Maybe Rich Paul means Bronny. :lol

[BatManu20]

Fox looks checked out to me. I think he’s done with Sacramento tbh.

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I've waited a while to weigh in on this because my initial reaction was hell no. I've never seen Fox as someone who impacts winning enough for the salary he'll get.

That said, who does who's also available? Markkanen? Love him and think he's a uniquely great fit around Wemby but does he impact winning? Butler at 36? You can't wait forever for the perfect player to become available, because those types rarely do and when they do they don't fall over each other to go to SA.

Fox is a pretty good fit actually, especially if his 3 point shot is for real. Sure, his defense isn't great but most PGs nowadays struggle defending and he's at least long and strong enough to not be consistently attacked in the playoffs, like Haliburton or Brunson types are. I can live with his brain farts, as long as he gets in the paint at will, finishes well and shoots from 3. His age is also perfect. Wemby will have multiple windows, you can't expect him to have a 10 year championship window with two other young guys, this won't work anymore with the new CBA. Point is, he's good enough and young enough to at least expect him to be movable if it doesn't work if he's on a 30% max contract.

Now, obviously as mentioned many times, Houston is the better fit and they have better resources to offer Sacramento but they seem focused on their weirdly constructed roster and the Phoenix picks. Perhaps they're waiting on Booker or even Durant and if they hesitate it'd be the opportunity for the Spurs to act first. I expect the price to be significant if the trade happens at the deadline. Like, no chance would they move him unless they're getting Castle back. They don't need Vassell on a long term contract when they're rebuilding. I'd offer Sochan + picks + contracts over Castle (and go after Naz Reid in the summer), but they probably can get much better than that. In fact, they'll likely get a better offer than Castle + picks but anyway.

So, yeah. Wemby is ready, they may as well try to be aggressive and Fox is far from the worst player to throw assets at. I'd go for it unless the price is too high, say bidding against a Houston package.

[Mal]

Just wait, trade demand from Fox will come soon.

[baseline bum]

Now, obviously as mentioned many times, Houston is the better fit and they have better resources to offer Sacramento but they seem focused on their weirdly constructed roster and the Phoenix picks. Perhaps they're waiting on Booker or even Durant and if they hesitate it'd be the opportunity for the Spurs to act first. I expect the price to be significant if the trade happens at the deadline. Like, no chance would they move him unless they're getting Castle back. They don't need Vassell on a long term contract when they're rebuilding. I'd offer Sochan + picks + contracts over Castle (and go after Naz Reid in the summer), but they probably can get much better than that. In fact, they'll likely get a better offer than Castle + picks but anyway.


I don't think Houston is that great a fit. There is no way in hell they're moving Amen Thompson for Fox so with Amen eventually starting they absolutely need high end shooting from the position. I would figure their offer would be Sheppard + Whitmore + and maybe a non Phoenix first, but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided they're better off holding onto Sheppard and seeing what he looks like in year two while also keeping the door open to try to steal Booker away when the Suns have another disappointing season. So I don't think the Spurs have to offer Castle to get Fox.

[exstatic]

I've waited a while to weigh in on this because my initial reaction was hell no. I've never seen Fox as someone who impacts winning enough for the salary he'll get.

That said, who does who's also available? Markkanen? Love him and think he's a uniquely great fit around Wemby but does he impact winning? Butler at 36? You can't wait forever for the perfect player to become available, because those types rarely do and when they do they don't fall over each other to go to SA.

Fox is a pretty good fit actually, especially if his 3 point shot is for real. Sure, his defense isn't great but most PGs nowadays struggle defending and he's at least long and strong enough to not be consistently attacked in the playoffs, like Haliburton or Brunson types are. I can live with his brain farts, as long as he gets in the paint at will, finishes well and shoots from 3. His age is also perfect. Wemby will have multiple windows, you can't expect him to have a 10 year championship window with two other young guys, this won't work anymore with the new CBA. Point is, he's good enough and young enough to at least expect him to be movable if it doesn't work if he's on a 30% max contract.

Now, obviously as mentioned many times, Houston is the better fit and they have better resources to offer Sacramento but they seem focused on their weirdly constructed roster and the Phoenix picks. Perhaps they're waiting on Booker or even Durant and if they hesitate it'd be the opportunity for the Spurs to act first. I expect the price to be significant if the trade happens at the deadline. Like, no chance would they move him unless they're getting Castle back. They don't need Vassell on a long term contract when they're rebuilding. I'd offer Sochan + picks + contracts over Castle (and go after Naz Reid in the summer), but they probably can get much better than that. In fact, they'll likely get a better offer than Castle + picks but anyway.

So, yeah. Wemby is ready, they may as well try to be aggressive and Fox is far from the worst player to throw assets at. I'd go for it unless the price is too high, say bidding against a Houston package.

For some reason, they are weirdly fixated on 36 YO KD. I don’t expect that to change.

[Davidicus]

Fit right in with us tbh

:lol

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[Davidicus]

I’m hoping for HOU wins and SAC losses so Fox is moved at deadline. I think it’s a long shot for SAC to do that, just because that kind of move is rare in general. But it feels like HOU can beat us in a bidding war, so we want them to be out of that war when it happens. Everything I’ve heard from the media lately is they want to see what they have with their guys come playoffs, which makes sense, so the stronger they’re doing the more likely they stand pat. But that’s just the media, who knows how much ish hits the fan if and when Fox goes on the trading block. I’m guessing HOU loses in the 2nd or 3rd round, which ups their chances for a move in the offseason.

[exstatic]

I would do the trade if the price is reasonable, but I’m getting strong LaMarcus Aldridge vibes from him.

[exstatic]

I’m hoping for HOU wins and SAC losses so Fox is moved at deadline. I think it’s a long shot for SAC to do that, just because that kind of move is rare in general. But it feels like HOU can beat us in a bidding war, so we want them to be out of that war when it happens. Everything I’ve heard from the media lately is they want to see what they have with their guys come playoffs, which makes sense, so the stronger they’re doing the more likely they stand pat. But that’s just the media, who knows how much ish hits the fan if and when Fox goes on the trading block. I’m guessing HOU loses in the 2nd or 3rd round, which ups their chances for a move in the offseason.
If Klutch is involved, all they have to do to steer him where they want him to go is to say he will only extend with that team. It doesn’t matter what Houston’s assets are if he won’t extend there. They won’t break the bank if he won’t extend.

[Dejounte]

If Klutch is involved, all they have to do to steer him where they want him to go is to say he will only extend with that team. It doesn’t matter what Houston’s assets are if he won’t extend there. They won’t break the bank if he won’t extend.

It doesn’t have to be Klutch for that to happen. Other agencies do that all the time. See Damian Lilliard.

[exstatic]

It doesn’t have to be Klutch for that to happen. Other agencies do that all the time. See Damian Lilliard.

Right, but the rumor is that Klutch is trying to steer one of their guards to SA to play with Wemby, which is why I mentioned them in a thread about Fox, a Klutch client.

[Ice009]

Any ideas who the other guards Klutch might steer here could be?

EDIT: Ugh looked at Rich Paul's client list and not too impressive at guard positions outside of Fox and guys who probably aren't likely to move (Maxey and Garland). Otherwise it's mid guys like Dejounte, Lavine, VanVleet, Sexton, and then scrubby Scoot. Maybe Rich Paul means Bronny. :lol

I was just about to ask who the guards on their client list are. That's a bit of a downer if Fox is the only significant name on that list that might be moved. Not that I'd complain about Fox, but was hoping there'd be some interesting players on the list.

[rankingtear]

Klutch might have a bigger agenda than getting a client to play with Wemby. LeBum might be an owner of a team sooner than later. FO looks to me are purging Klutch influence from the team.

[exstatic]

Klutch might have a bigger agenda than getting a client to play with Wemby. LeBum might be an owner of a team sooner than later. FO looks to me are purging Klutch influence from the team.

I think at today’s prices, a team is beyond LeBron’s price range. Valuations are from $2B to $4B. I also think that while they absolutely didn’t do it as a player, the league would force him to divest Klutch in order to get a team. No owner should be able to exert that level of control over other franchises.

[Leetonidas]

Klutch isn't any different than any other agency. Idk why people are afraid of the Klutch boogeyman:lol scratch that, I know exactly why

[exstatic]

Klutch isn't any different than any other agency. Idk why people are afraid of the Klutch boogeyman:lol scratch that, I know exactly why

LeBron was allowed (wrongly) to exert that kind of influence as a player because the league needed his marquee presence, but there’s no way he’s allowed to keep Klutch AND own a team. Nobody gives a fuck about owners, even if they’re former top players. See: Jordan, Michael one of the worst owners of the last quarter century.

[rankingtear]

I think at today’s prices, a team is beyond LeBron’s price range. Valuations are from $2B to $4B. I also think that while they absolutely didn’t do it as a player, the league would force him to divest Klutch in order to get a team. No owner should be able to exert that level of control over other franchises.

According to google AI he has equity in the sport group that owns the red sox and is pretty vocal about the las vegas expansion. Must planned it all out how to get partners to shell out the money.

[LeBowen]

Right, but the rumor is that Klutch is trying to steer one of their guards to SA to play with Wemby, which is why I mentioned them in a thread about Fox, a Klutch client.

To me it's not just about Wemby, but I doubt Fox himself would want to go one zero rim protection post scorer to another. While the Rockets have way more long-term potential, it would be a lateral move for him.
Not to mention that he wouldn't be that great of a fit with the rest of the Rockets core.
They're obviously trying to get a star, but I'm not convinced they're all in on Fox. I think they're waiting for the Suns to inevitably crumble and then they'll give them their picks back for Booker who would be a perfect fit for them.

[Davidicus]

To me it's not just about Wemby, but I doubt Fox himself would want to go one zero rim protection post scorer to another. While the Rockets have way more long-term potential, it would be a lateral move for him.
Not to mention that he wouldn't be that great of a fit with the rest of the Rockets core.
They're obviously trying to get a star, but I'm not convinced they're all in on Fox. I think they're waiting for the Suns to inevitably crumble and then they'll give them their picks back for Booker who would be a perfect fit for them.

Yeah, the more I put myself in Fox’s shoes, if I want out of Sacramento, I want to go to a team that complements my strengths, and contend for a title. Feels like whatever they trade for in Houston for Fox, he will still be heavily relied upon for offense, and underwhelming help down low on defense. With Wemby, you’ve got a clear number one that will carry the primary load on both ends of the floor, and set you up for playoff + commercial success for the rest of your career.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

LeBron was allowed (wrongly) to exert that kind of influence as a player because the league needed his marquee presence, but there’s no way he’s allowed to keep Klutch AND own a team. Nobody gives a fuck about owners, even if they’re former top players. See: Jordan, Michael one of the worst owners of the last quarter century.


I have to ask…who do you have as the better player MJ or LeBron?

[Seventyniner]

One aspect I haven't seen mentioned is that Harrison Barnes probably has a pretty good read on Fox's character and mindset. If Fox doesn't have a Spurs-type personality they probably won't trade for him even if the price is reasonable, and if the Spurs do manage to trade for him it would tell me that they don't have significant concerns on the character and mindset front.

[rjv]

I haven’t seen the latest speculation on what players the Kings would want but I’m out if they insist on Castle or an outrageous amount of picks.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I would do the trade if the price is reasonable, but I’m getting strong LaMarcus Aldridge vibes from him.

A relatively low maintenance star calibre player who is only considering San Antonio bc of personal/family reasons?

[BatManu20]

I haven’t seen the latest speculation on what players the Kings would want but I’m out if they insist on Castle or an outrageous amount of picks.

Which they will tbh. They’ll likely demand Castle + 2 or 3 FRP’s and then the negotiating begins. Don’t think they’re highly interested in Vassell, especially the way he’s playing this season. That Kings team needs defense as bad as we do and Devin does nothing for them in that regard.

[itzsoweezee]

5. Sam has "heard" (which I believe is 100% true and he's not giving more detail because he doesn't want to out his sources) that Klutch wants to pair one of their guard clients with Wemby. Me reading between the lines: This of course doesn't necessarily mean it will happen... but it might work in SA's favor if a Klutch guard client wants to move. SA may get a discount on the trade acquisition cost (though Klutch is going to certainly not going to give a discount on the salary)

This is definitely true. LeBron wasn’t talking up castle just because he likes Steph’s game. LeBron wants in on that wemby action, whichever way he can get it.

[LeBowen]

Which they will tbh. They’ll likely demand Castle + 2 or 3 FRP’s and then the negotiating begins. Don’t think they’re highly interested in Vassell, especially the way he’s playing this season. That team desperately needs defense as bad as we do and Devin does nothing for them in that regard.

Vassell+Tre+20131 swap returned+2 or 3 FRPs is the best offer they'll get.

They drafted Devin Carter to be their point of attack defender, they can't afford to play Castle with their lack of spacing.
The only team that could give them a better offer is Orlando, but I'm not sure they'd want three max players on payroll.

If they don't intend to blow it up, Castle won't do much for them. Sabonis will be 29 before the end of the season, they need someone who'd be immediate help.
We can give them Hawks picks which they can trade for Hunter, I'm sure Hawks really want those back.

Monk/DDR/Hunter/Murray/Sabonis would be a solid lineup. The best they can hope for in these circumstances.
Tre/Carter/Vassell/Lyles off the bench.

[exstatic]

A relatively low maintenance star calibre player who is only considering San Antonio bc of personal/family reasons?

A weak mentally dude who checks out when things aren’t optimal.

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘m not giving them Castle

[BatManu20]

I‘m not giving them Castle

Same. Don’t think PATFO would do that anyways. If the Rockets or Warriors give up multiple players and picks for him, so be it. Remain patient. His price will come down the longer they wait. Not sure Fox would be willing to sign a long-term extension with either of those teams anyways. He may want to test Free Agency and may even want to play with Wemby, who knows. Stay the course and don’t make a panic overpay.

[baseline bum]

Which they will tbh. They’ll likely demand Castle + 2 or 3 FRP’s and then the negotiating begins. Don’t think they’re highly interested in Vassell, especially the way he’s playing this season. That Kings team needs defense as bad as we do and Devin does nothing for them in that regard.

They won't have the leverage to extract Castle. It's not like the Spurs would be trading for prime Anthony Davis.

[Bruno]

The first Klutch guard who was rumored to want to join Wemby was Trae Young. He isn't with Klutch anymore but he was one of their client when the rumor started.

Kings biggest issue is that they are an offensive minded team (with Sabonis at C, it's difficult to have a great defensive identity) but they struggle shooting 3's. Kevin Huerter and Keegan Murray were their main weapons behind the arc and they now suck at that. Unless Fox ask now to be traded, Kings next move should be to go after Cam Johnson and even overpaying to get him.

[scott]

I've waited a while to weigh in on this because my initial reaction was hell no. I've never seen Fox as someone who impacts winning enough for the salary he'll get.

That said, who does who's also available? Markkanen? Love him and think he's a uniquely great fit around Wemby but does he impact winning? Butler at 36? You can't wait forever for the perfect player to become available, because those types rarely do and when they do they don't fall over each other to go to SA.



I see comments like this frequently (not picking on you, BG), but I'm never quite sure what they are supposed to mean. Basketball, after all, is a team sport and one player alone can't change things (just look at the 2023-24 Spurs as an example. Would people would have labelled Wemby as a player who doesn't impact winning after that year? But look at what happens with some minor upgraded (CP, Barnes) and some internal improvement from just a few guys (Champ, Sochan) even despite regression from others (Vassell, Johnson). Would folks have said the same thing about Derrick White before he went to BOS?

At the end of the day, I think good players are good. Yes, there are bad players who put up good stats on terrible teams, but that's why we can dig beyond the counting stats. Due diligence is always required, but I don't see "this guy isn't someone who impacts winning" as being a particularly deep argument.

[spurraider21]

5. Sam has "heard" (which I believe is 100% true and he's not giving more detail because he doesn't want to out his sources) that Klutch wants to pair one of their guard clients with Wemby. Me reading between the lines: This of course doesn't necessarily mean it will happen... but it might work in SA's favor if a Klutch guard client wants to move. SA may get a discount on the trade acquisition cost (though Klutch is going to certainly not going to give a discount on the salary)
- klutch does not dictate trade value

- what does it mean to say klutch wants one of their guards with wemby? what if fox doesnt want to go to SA? does klutch just tell him "sorry bro, we want you with wemby, tough shit"

i think people grossly overstate the big evil empire that is klutch sports and the impact they have other than the fact that some big names signed there. i think the closest you could point to is AD, but it was known for a while that AD wanted LA independent of klutch and the lakers gave a lot of pieces to make that happen, too. Ingram and Ball were valuable pieces, Hart was and is a very good role player, and they gave up 3 first, one of which was the #4 pick in that very draft... AND new orleans had just landed zion, so the stars aligned for them to finally move off AD

[LeBowen]

klutch does not dictate trade value

Klutch Sports founder and CEO Rich Paul is the only downside of a potential Fox trade.
Having him pressure the front office in all kind of moves would be annoying, especially if Fox doesn't sign an extension right away.

I've been pondering the Rock :) about potential Castle/Fox dynamic and while I think it could easily work, it would still be better if we can get a Booker-type player next to Castle, but there just aren't any that are available. Maybe PATFO should've pursued Mitchell or Garland, now it's too late.
We either get Fox or we hope CP3 stays for another year while Castle rapidly develops into Jrue 2.0 and Devin miraculously gets over himself.

[scott]

- klutch does not dictate trade value

- what does it mean to say klutch wants one of their guards with wemby? what if fox doesnt want to go to SA? does klutch just tell him "sorry bro, we want you with wemby, tough shit"

i think people grossly overstate the big evil empire that is klutch sports and the impact they have other than the fact that some big names signed there. i think the closest you could point to is AD, but it was known for a while that AD wanted LA independent of klutch and the lakers gave a lot of pieces to make that happen, too. Ingram and Ball were valuable pieces, Hart was and is a very good role player, and they gave up 3 first, one of which was the #4 pick in that very draft... AND new orleans had just landed zion, so the stars aligned for them to finally move off AD

In regard to the bolded, the discount on acquisition price would result if Klutch and their client decide the Wemby pairing is what they want and they state they won't extend anywhere but SA. Klutch does not dictate value, but they (and their client) can most certainly influence it.

Beyond that, yeah for sure... Klutch doesn't call all the shots, the client has to also be on board.

I think the vilification of Klutch is hilarious as well. They are an agency. Their job is to maximize outcomes for their clients, and nothing else. People used to lambast Drew Rosenhaus for his antics (particularly around Terrell Owens), but the dude was one of the best at his job (which is representing his clients interests).

[scott]

I don't think Castle works in SAC any more than Sochan. Yes, both are young and promising, but they don't fit next to the pieces they already have. I don't think SAC will completely blow it up if they move Fox, just look to readjust the direction around Sabonis/DDR/Murray. It would be too drastic and too expensive for SAC to completely blow it up, and the fanbase might revolt after being halfway decent after almost two decades of being atrocious.

Sochan would be completely unplayable with DDR and Sabonis, and Castle not much better. Yes, they provide defense, but the offense would be a complete mess. Devin fits what they need on offense best, a 3rd/4th option shooter.

The Kings are a middle of the road defensive (16th in DRTG) with a good offense (8th in ORTG). They're also better than their record indicates. They have a +1.6 NETRTG, and their record should be flipped... they just have been atrocious is close games this year (.214 record, worst in the NBA). That wouldn't suggest a complete blow up is necessary. At some point, you've got to think Murray will regain his shooting touch, at which point you've got a wing (Murray) and a guard (Vassell) who complement DDR and Sabonis quite nicely. They could start Monk or Vassell to present different looks (Monk is a much more dynamic offensive player).

The biggest problem is that we don't have that second, Cam Whitmore/Reed Sheppard-like prospect to send them as well.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

A weak mentally dude who checks out when things aren’t optimal.

LMA was a good Spur, not his fault he got nephed with the rest of us

[exstatic]

- klutch does not dictate trade value

- what does it mean to say klutch wants one of their guards with wemby? what if fox doesnt want to go to SA? does klutch just tell him "sorry bro, we want you with wemby, tough shit"

i think people grossly overstate the big evil empire that is klutch sports and the impact they have other than the fact that some big names signed there. i think the closest you could point to is AD, but it was known for a while that AD wanted LA independent of klutch and the lakers gave a lot of pieces to make that happen, too. Ingram and Ball were valuable pieces, Hart was and is a very good role player, and they gave up 3 first, one of which was the #4 pick in that very draft... AND new orleans had just landed zion, so the stars aligned for them to finally move off AD

That’s not completely true. They have a huge roster of clients, and if you get crossways with them, they can freeze you out in free agency, kind of like a basketball version of Scott Boras. They are in a huge position of leverage r/n with Fox. They can force a trade by telling Sacto that he won’t extend or re-sign in 2026, and can pick a landing spot by telling teams that are undesirable to Fox that he won’t re-sign there, either.

[Mal]

Mike Brown is gone

[LeBowen]

Mike Brown is gone

Mainstream media and the fans pretty much forced the Kings front office into giving him an extension even though they never rated him. Now he's in for a big payout and they have to find a new coach in a weak market.
Maybe Griffin gets another job, he did a solid job with the Bucks. But I'm sure they'll be looking for someone more experienced.
(Please take Brett Brown.)

[Mal]

Mainstream media and the fans pretty much forced the Kings front office into giving him an extension even though they never rated hit

He checks the box

[Sugus]

Man, I really don't like that move for the Kings. Hard to say the coach was to blame with that roster.

I think this move increases the odds of Fox asking out, if by nothing other than stirring up chaos within the Kings. Interesting....

[Leetonidas]

Brown being fired makes me think they're not going to trade Fox...or they're about to blow it all up :lol

[Mal]

Man, I really don't like that move for the Kings. Hard to say the coach was to blame with that roster.

I think this move increases the odds of Fox asking out, if by nothing other than stirring up chaos within the Kings. Interesting....

If coach wasn't the problem, they will go into rebuild at deadline

[exstatic]

Man, I really don't like that move for the Kings. Hard to say the coach was to blame with that roster.

I think this move increases the odds of Fox asking out, if by nothing other than stirring up chaos within the Kings. Interesting....

Coach always takes the fall.

[scott]

Mike Brown led practice, did a media session, and then got fired right before he was supposed to get on a plane to LA with the team. What a shit show... what coach would voluntarily take this job if they have any other viable options?

[exstatic]

If coach wasn't the problem, they will go into rebuild at deadline

They might. They can cash out their pieces like Utah did a couple of years ago. Sabo still has decent value. If they decide to move Fox, there’s really no one else to build around.

[John B]

I doubt a new coach could rally that team to winning more games with their flawed roster. Fox asking for a trade is inevitable

[Sugus]

If coach wasn't the problem, they will go into rebuild at deadline

Best case scenario for us - firesale, with pressure from Fox's camp.

I doubt it happens like that, though. I don't see the Kings letting go of Fox unless he explicitly asks out and says he's not resigning there.

Like most "stars", he puts butts in seats. Mediocre franchises really value that.

[LeBowen]

Mike Brown led practice, did a media session, and then got fired right before he was supposed to get on a plane to LA with the team. What a shit show... what coach would voluntarily take this job if they have any other viable options?

They'll force someone into taking the job by throwing enough money at them like the Pistons did with Monty...we all know how that ended.

I think it's time for Klutch Sports owner and CEO Rich Paul to lead the hiring process. Fox will probably get someone he likes, sign an extension, it will be a massive failure and then he'll ask out in 2026.

[exstatic]

Best case scenario for us - firesale, with pressure from Fox's camp.

I doubt it happens like that, though. I don't see the Kings letting go of Fox unless he explicitly asks out and says he's not resigning there.

Like most "stars", he puts butts in seats. Mediocre franchises really value that.
That would be exactly how it would have to happen.

[timtonymanu]

I wonder how Derozan feels about this. Not a good feeling when you’re constantly in losing situations.

Also lol @ “I don’t want this person cause they don’t impact winning.” We’re not landing Jokic or Giannis next to Wemby. Going after Fox or Markannen is what we can realistically obtain. Wemby is proving to be a legit superstar so I feel like any second level star will do well with him.

That being said, I feel like to get Fox, the kings will want Castle. Teams are watching how mediocre Vassell is and I doubt trading him for Fox will be enough. And I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing ever comes to fruition.

[Leetonidas]

Best case scenario for us - firesale, with pressure from Fox's camp.

I doubt it happens like that, though. I don't see the Kings letting go of Fox unless he explicitly asks out and says he's not resigning there.

Like most "stars", he puts butts in seats. Mediocre franchises really value that.

They still have Sabonis and DD as "stars" who can be tank commanders since they're not winning players

[LeBowen]

I wonder how Derozan feels about this. Not a good feeling when you’re constantly in losing situations.

If he wants to win he has to realize he's not a winning player and take a 6th man role on a reasonable salary.
Instead he took a $75M deal (rightfully so) from a team that was never going to be serious with this roster.

[spursgu]

Let the dominoes start falling.

[exstatic]

They still have Sabonis and DD as "stars" who can be tank commanders since they're not winning players

You’d want to cash out Sabo while you can. Don’t want to go past that sell by date, and there is one for every player.

[heyheymymy]

the kings will want Castle.

typical tbh

[LeBowen]

You’d want to cash out Sabo while you can. Don’t want to go past that sell by date, and there is one for every player.

I think that the entire league caught up on how useless non-Jokic bigs without rim protection are in the playoffs.
Who would even want Sabonis? Maybe the Warriors, but they don't have much to offer.
Other than that, one of tanking teams that's maybe dumb enough. Pistons or Nets? Idk.

[spurraider21]

not sure if the kings would want castle. they already have spacing issues between sabonis/derozan, and they may want more of a "retool" than "rebuild" situation. its plausible theyd want vassell as the main return piece, and not castle. they could also potentially be demanding both

[scott]

The Kings SHOULD be demanding Vassell + Castle + Sochan + 2 FRPs. Is this a realistic return? No, but that should be their starting offer. The Kings after all, have only one duty and that is to do what's best for the Kings.

I agree with spurraider21 however, and wrote previously, that Vassell could very well be the piece that makes the most sense. Sochan definitely does not and for those same reasons Castle probably also doesn't make sense other than the fact they are both young and promising. Wonder if the Spurs could get a third team involved to send the Kings a young promising player in addition to Vassell in return for picks. I have no clue who that might be though.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wonder how Derozan feels about this. Not a good feeling when you’re constantly in losing situations.



He IS the losing situation

[DAF86]

At around the 40 minutes mark they tackle the Fox situation. Also, before that, Wemby talk.

DtE6fBowchc?si=KC74WPI--V99IGZE

[LeBowen]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QlcXayFLb3s/mqdefault.jpg
Windy has spoken!

[timtonymanu]

Can someone wake up timvp so he can give us some front office intel on Fox? Lol

[Larry O]

Looks like Sactown is trying to appease Fox, Sabonis and the rest of the team by firing Brown, as a solution to do their best to keep Fox there. Unsure as to who will succeed Brown to entice Fox to stay there, but the drama continues. What concerns me with Fox is his affiliation with Rich Paul and Kluch Sports. Could this be a concern for PATFO as well if they don't pursue Fox?

[exstatic]

Can someone wake up timvp so he can give us some front office intel on Fox? Lol

He’s not even posting game grades threads any more. Posters have to go to the main page, grab a link, and post the game grades thread. Doubt he’ll be posting about trade rumors in December.

[exstatic]

Looks like Sactown is trying to appease Fox, Sabonis and the rest of the team by firing Brown, as a solution to do their best to keep Fox there. Unsure as to who will succeed Brown to entice Fox to stay there, but the drama continues. What concerns me with Fox is his affiliation with Rich Paul and Kluch Sports. Could this be a concern for PATFO as well if they don't pursue Fox?

They’ve actually worked pretty well with Klutch in the past with DJ’s friendly extension, and Klutch dropping Marcus Morris as a client after the shit he pulled.

[timtonymanu]

He’s not even posting game grades threads any more. Posters have to go to the main page, grab a link, and post the game grades thread. Doubt he’ll be posting about trade rumors in December.

Yes I know, that’s why I said “wake up.” Tbh, he doesn’t owe us anything so it’s okay if he’s on a hiatus. But I do miss his random thoughts threads.

[Larry O]

They’ve actually worked pretty well with Klutch in the past with DJ’s friendly extension, and Klutch dropping Marcus Morris as a client after the shit he pulled.

Thanks! That's good news to hear! Let's grab our popcorn and see how this drama will play out! GSG!!!

[KingKev]

It doesn’t have to be Klutch for that to happen. Other agencies do that all the time. See Damian Lilliard.

All three of us are too damn old to still be pushing a clutch narrative.

[BatManu20]

Damn they did Mike Brown dirty. He won Coach of the Year just 2 years ago lol. Yikes.

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[timtonymanu]

That coach of the year curse lives on.

[Seventyniner]

That coach of the year curse lives on.

It's a vicious cycle. Overachieve, win COTY, inflated expectations are set, underachieve, get fired for not meeting those lofty expectations.

Imagine if COTY was a three-year rolling award.

[Mr. Body]

Likely means no Fox trade. Moving on...

[Em-City]

Is fox the type to drive out a good coach from a bad team?

[objective]

If he's a coach Killa we need Fox even more to get rid of Mitch and Pop

[R. DeMurre]

Still not sold on Fox. I'd rather pursue Immanuel Quickley, who is signed through '29 with a yearly salary of $32.5mil, which would be at least $25mil cheaper (and possibly $35mil cheaper) than what Fox's salary projects to be in '29. Across the board, Fox is more productive, but their numbers per 36min are not as different as most would think. Fox per 36= 23.4pts & 6.6 assists, IQ= 19.5pts & 5 assists, and he spent a lot of his time with the Knicks as a SG. Quickley is a better 3pt shooter and surprisingly has a better career BPM and WS/48. Size-wise, they're pretty similar. Fox is 6'3.25" with a 6'6.5" wingspan, while Quickley is 6'3" with a 6'8.25"wingspan. At their respective draft combines, Quickley outweighed Fox by 15 lbs, but both seem to have put on weight since then. I don't think Quickley is a better player than Fox, but for the money I'd argue IQ is a better #4 option than Fox is a #2 option, and the salary savings down the road will ultimately amount to an additional impact player being in the top 7 rotation pieces. And Quickley wouldn't necessarily be the final answer, and if not, his contract would be easy to combine in a future trade for another upgrade.

[rankingtear]

Fox is not even an all-star nor the best player in his team, why does this guy has so much power in SAC. Coach called him out and gets fired.

[sfernald]

Still not sold on Fox. I'd rather pursue Immanuel Quickley, who is signed through '29 with a yearly salary of $32.5mil, which would be at least $25mil cheaper (and possibly $35mil cheaper) than what Fox's salary projects to be in '29. Across the board, Fox is more productive, but their numbers per 36min are not as different as most would think. Fox per 36= 23.4pts & 6.6 assists, IQ= 19.5pts & 5 assists, and he spent a lot of his time with the Knicks as a SG. Quickley is a better 3pt shooter and surprisingly has a better career BPM and WS/48. Size-wise, they're pretty similar. Fox is 6'3.25" with a 6'6.5" wingspan, while Quickley is 6'3" with a 6'8.25"wingspan. At their respective draft combines, Quickley outweighed Fox by 15 lbs, but both seem to have put on weight since then. I don't think Quickley is a better player than Fox, but for the money I'd argue IQ is a better #4 option than Fox is a #2 option, and the salary savings down the road will ultimately amount to an additional impact player being in the top 7 rotation pieces. And Quickley wouldn't necessarily be the final answer, and if not, his contract would be easy to combine in a future trade for another upgrade.

Yuck man hasn’t Quick been injured all year so far? I think that’s overthinking things a bit. That’s how you talk yourself in Zack Collins when you could have had Naz Reid.

[scott]

Still not sold on Fox. I'd rather pursue Immanuel Quickley, who is signed through '29 with a yearly salary of $32.5mil, which would be at least $25mil cheaper (and possibly $35mil cheaper) than what Fox's salary projects to be in '29. Across the board, Fox is more productive, but their numbers per 36min are not as different as most would think. Fox per 36= 23.4pts & 6.6 assists, IQ= 19.5pts & 5 assists, and he spent a lot of his time with the Knicks as a SG. Quickley is a better 3pt shooter and surprisingly has a better career BPM and WS/48. Size-wise, they're pretty similar. Fox is 6'3.25" with a 6'6.5" wingspan, while Quickley is 6'3" with a 6'8.25"wingspan. At their respective draft combines, Quickley outweighed Fox by 15 lbs, but both seem to have put on weight since then. I don't think Quickley is a better player than Fox, but for the money I'd argue IQ is a better #4 option than Fox is a #2 option, and the salary savings down the road will ultimately amount to an additional impact player being in the top 7 rotation pieces. And Quickley wouldn't necessarily be the final answer, and if not, his contract would be easy to combine in a future trade for another upgrade.

Great thoughts here and definitely something to think about. I do wonder if Wemby requires a “two star” model, or if you can get by with RELIABLE #3 type guys around him (I don’t put Vassell in this category, if any is wondering)

[R. DeMurre]

Yuck man hasn’t Quick been injured all year so far? I think that’s overthinking things a bit. That’s how you talk yourself in Zack Collins when you could have had Naz Reid.


Yeah, he's been injured... but I don't think that matters with a long term assessment... Again, the argument isn't that IQ is better than Fox, but that he might be a better 4th option at $32.5mil than Fox is as a 2nd option at $55-70mil.

[TimmyBuckets]

Hot take but I don't think he's worth the price tag they're putting on him.

[Obstructed_View]

Hot take but I don't think he's worth the price tag they're putting on him.
It's a fire sale now.

[scott]

This is a worthy thread to browse through if you're thinking about Fox: https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/comments/1hnq4en/deaaron_fox_needs_to_get_out_of_sacramento/

Lots of Kings fans saying Fox is part of the problem.

[TimmyBuckets]

It's a fire sale now.

2 first rounders, KJ and brahnam/Wesley or whatever would be doable.

[objective]

Ultimately he's absolutely part of the problem for Sacramento as a franchise if not their biggest problem.

And that problem is that while he's a very good player who puts up very good numbers and has many great clutch performances ... He's not a #1. He was never going to be. He never will be. But because Sacramento was never able to get a number one for him to play next to (Bagley???) ... they were doomed to this fate.

But Wemby is expected to be the Spurs #1, at least by most people (some exceptions like the Dunc'd On guys who have insisted forever that Wemby will never be good enough). Wemby needs a #2, Vassell ain't it, and Castle is a mystery.

[Obstructed_View]

2 first rounders, KJ and brahnam/Wesley or whatever would be doable.
Addition by subtraction as well. Just make sure they are Spurs FRPs.

[LeBowen]

https://old.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1hntzqz/deaaron_fox_rant/

Interesting rant, comments seem to mostly agree with him.

[rankingtear]

Eh Fox would not work here zero self awareness. FO should be targeting Keegan Murray if that team blows up. That guy is a robot.

[exstatic]

Fox is not even an all-star nor the best player in his team, why does this guy has so much power in SAC. Coach called him out and gets fired.

Fox has been an All Star and made one All NBA team.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://old.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1hntzqz/deaaron_fox_rant/

Interesting rant, comments seem to mostly agree with him.

sounds to me that he could be even better in a winning situation

[LeBowen]

sounds to me that he could be even better in a winning situation

As they say, winning cures everything.
Just this summer Mitchell was seen as a coach killer with weak mentality, look at them now.

[Obstructed_View]

https://old.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1hntzqz/deaaron_fox_rant/

Interesting rant, comments seem to mostly agree with him.
A tad concerning. He is with an organization that never wins and just fired the only coach to have any success since the Clinton administration. Could be a Brent Barry from Seattle situation.

[CGD]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QlcXayFLb3s/mqdefault.jpg
Windy has spoken!

https://www.starwars.com/databank/jabba-the-hutt

[CGD]

Hot take but I don't think he's worth the price tag they're putting on him.

This is where I’m landing. He’s a good star (like 12th man on all star team), but not sure Fox was the max salary player I had in mind when thinking about Wemby running mates tbh.

[CGD]

https://old.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1hntzqz/deaaron_fox_rant/

Interesting rant, comments seem to mostly agree with him.

Brutal. I do wonder what happens to players when they are in losing situations their whole careers. Can they really turn it on at the next stop?

[exstatic]

Brutal. I do wonder what happens to players when they are in losing situations their whole careers. Can they really turn it on at the next stop?
I think the question those Kings fans would pose would be if he even cared about turning it on.

I’m not anti Fox, more on the fence. Got a real bad vibe from that post game presser. Not in the camp that he is the absolute guy to solve our problems, but he’ll solve at least some of them. Where I land will come down to the price of both his acquisition and his contract. It would be better for us if he doesn’t land an All NBA slot this year so that he’s not SuperMax eligible.

[rascal]

Yeah, he's been injured... but I don't think that matters with a long term assessment... Again, the argument isn't that IQ is better than Fox, but that he might be a better 4th option at $32.5mil than Fox is as a 2nd option at $55-70mil.

Spurs don't need a 4th option, they need a reliable 2nd option. Wemby isn't going to be able to carry this quality roster on his back.

[R. DeMurre]

The Kings have made some unusual decisions over the years, to say the least. The year they drafted Davion Mitchell with the 9th pick just kind of sealed it for me. They talked about his defensive intensity and how the team needed to improve in that area, and I thought "you just drafted a 6' PG with a 6'4" wingspan to improve the defense of your NBA team in the year 2021??" You never know with them if it's the GM or Vivek stepping in and overriding a decision, but it just happens way too much with this franchise to be bad luck.

[R. DeMurre]

Spurs don't need a 4th option, they need a reliable 2nd option. Wemby isn't going to be able to carry this quality roster on his back.


Right, and my thought is Fox isn't a #2 option at $60mil+/yr, and in this new era of extremely punitive payroll rules, one the biggest mistakes a team can make is to max out a guy whose impact stats are just above average.

[exstatic]

Right, and my thought is Fox isn't a #2 option at $60mil+/yr, and in this new era of extremely punitive payroll rules, one the biggest mistakes a team can make is to max out a guy whose impact stats are just above average.

He won’t get $60M unless he makes an All NBA team and gets the SuperMax, and even a 4/$200M or a 5/$250M would be pretty innocuous by the end of the contract with the current CBA year over year cap growth. That being said, if he does SuperMax, that’s probably above what you want to pay, even with the current cap growth.

[LeBowen]

Right, and my thought is Fox isn't a #2 option at $60mil+/yr, and in this new era of extremely punitive payroll rules, one the biggest mistakes a team can make is to max out a guy whose impact stats are just above average.

Don't look at the numbers, look at percentages of the cap. Max stays the same relative to the cap.

[BacktoBasics]

Still not sold on Fox. I'd rather pursue Immanuel Quickley, who is signed through '29 with a yearly salary of $32.5mil, which would be at least $25mil cheaper (and possibly $35mil cheaper) than what Fox's salary projects to be in '29. Across the board, Fox is more productive, but their numbers per 36min are not as different as most would think. Fox per 36= 23.4pts & 6.6 assists, IQ= 19.5pts & 5 assists, and he spent a lot of his time with the Knicks as a SG. Quickley is a better 3pt shooter and surprisingly has a better career BPM and WS/48. Size-wise, they're pretty similar. Fox is 6'3.25" with a 6'6.5" wingspan, while Quickley is 6'3" with a 6'8.25"wingspan. At their respective draft combines, Quickley outweighed Fox by 15 lbs, but both seem to have put on weight since then. I don't think Quickley is a better player than Fox, but for the money I'd argue IQ is a better #4 option than Fox is a #2 option, and the salary savings down the road will ultimately amount to an additional impact player being in the top 7 rotation pieces. And Quickley wouldn't necessarily be the final answer, and if not, his contract would be easy to combine in a future trade for another upgrade.
This is a strong argument and very pragmatic. But we lack scoring. First option scoring from a shot creator particularly. I know that's basically Wemby right now but I've always thought the goal would be to find a volume scoring wing or guard that fits that roll in order to take pressure off Wemby.

Fox fits that mold more than Quickley would.

[Mal]

He won’t get $60M unless he makes an All NBA team and gets the SuperMax, and even a 4/$200M or a 5/$250M would be pretty innocuous by the end of the contract with the current CBA year over year cap growth. That being said, if he does SuperMax, that’s probably above what you want to pay, even with the current cap growth.

That's why he probably won't ask for a trade before signing that

[exstatic]

That's why he probably won't ask for a trade before signing that

The problem is, he has to make All NBA this year to get the SuperMax extension and security. If he goes into next year, he risks a catastrophic injury or the fact that he STILL might not become eligible and he probably should have just signed the extension before or forced a trade.

[sfernald]

Yeah, he's been injured... but I don't think that matters with a long term assessment... Again, the argument isn't that IQ is better than Fox, but that he might be a better 4th option at $32.5mil than Fox is as a 2nd option at $55-70mil.

You know who I like on the Raptors besides Quick is Olynk. Trade Collins and like three seconds for Olynk and we would finally have a decent backup center that can actually shoot.

[mo7888]

You know who I like on the Raptors besides Quick is Olynk. Trade Collins and like three seconds for Olynk and we would finally have a decent backup center that can actually shoot.

I'd be in favor of that trade

[sfernald]

I'd be in favor of that trade

yeah I really think having some decent minutes behind Wemby
would help. I do like. Assey but we need a different look sometimes

[Dejounte]

Bassey’s not playing not because he’s not good or that he’s not a good fit. Mitch is tightening up the lineup to giving four bench players regular minutes: Champ, Castle, Keldon, Tre. Olynk, if he’s traded for, isn’t coming here to jump Bassey in the rotation— he would be here to jump either Keldon or Champ. Since it’s obviously not Champ, it’s Keldon. I don’t see anyone joining the team mid-season and suddenly taking Keldon’s minutes. Keldon would have to be traded for his minutes to be taken. Or Tre’s minutes. Or god forbid Champ’s minutes.

[DPG21920]

Im not giving up picks to pay Fox that type of money personally.

[T Park]

Im not giving up picks to pay Fox that type of money personally.

lol top 20 guy one of the best in the league, clutch, great playmaker "Nah not worth giving up lottery picks to get"

just unbelievable

[exstatic]

Im not giving up picks to pay Fox that type of money personally.

If you’re talking SuperMax, we agree. If you’re talking regular Max, we don’t. By the end of a Max deal, with the current cap jumps, it’s a bit of a bargain.

[DAF86]

lol top 20 guy one of the best in the league, clutch, great playmaker "Nah not worth giving up lottery picks to get"

just unbelievable

He's also a 27 year old that never got his team to play consistent winning ball and that his own fanbase is calling out for being lazy and inconsistent.

[R. DeMurre]

This is a strong argument and very pragmatic. But we lack scoring. First option scoring from a shot creator particularly. I know that's basically Wemby right now but I've always thought the goal would be to find a volume scoring wing or guard that fits that roll in order to take pressure off Wemby.

Fox fits that mold more than Quickley would.


I totally get that take. My thinking was the extra $30mil or so also provides extra scoring.

[Dejounte]

He's also a 27 year old that never got his team to play consistent winning ball and that his own fanbase is calling out for being lazy and inconsistent.

What insults did Spurs fans have towards Kawhi when he was on his way out

[scott]

What insults did Spurs fans have towards Kawhi when he was on his way out

Heck, Dejounte Murray went from "untouchable" (I liked to that thread recently elsewhere) to an ungrateful, overrated bitch to Spurs fans pretty quickly.

[ginobilized]

What insults did Spurs fans have towards Kawhi when he was on his way out

Churlish. Insubordinate.

[KingKev]

Heck, Dejounte Murray went from "untouchable" (I liked to that thread recently elsewhere) to an ungrateful, overrated bitch to Spurs fans pretty quickly.

“Fk IG Baller we have future NBA All Star Devin Vassell”

[DAF86]

What insults did Spurs fans have towards Kawhi when he was on his way out

Nothing related to his game, tbh. Also, Fox hasn't asked out

[Mal]

The problem is, he has to make All NBA this year to get the SuperMax extension and security. If he goes into next year, he risks a catastrophic injury or the fact that he STILL might not become eligible and he probably should have just signed the extension before or forced a trade.

All star game selection would make it as well, right ?

[RC_Drunkford]

one thing to note: the Kings had the best offensive rating in the NBA last season, before they added DeRozan to fuck it all up

[TekXX]

This organization has wasted a decade, much of it with their own incompetence. I'm at the stage where i don't give a fuck about the billion picks we have, let's just throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks.

[KingKev]

When Fox was asked about the firing he basically said atleast Mike Brown is still getting paid lol

Also, DDR getting another COTY fired lol. I wonder if the Kings could be stupid enough to value Vassell.

[quentin_compson]

Mike Brown getting fired should increase the improbability of Fox getting traded in-season - which was already kind of high unless he asked for a trade, and I guess even then. The Kings just got DeRozan and are desperate to make the playoffs, so I don't think they are going to make a big move like that when they are still easily in reach of at least a play-in spot.
As a side note ... man, what a terrible look for the Kings organisation to fire a coach you just gave an extension not even three months into the season.

[rankingtear]

one thing to note: the Kings had the best offensive rating in the NBA last season, before they added DeRozan to fuck it all up

Not last season.

[itzsoweezee]

Fox getting his coach fired because he publicly called out Fox’s terrible defense that cost the Kings the game is not a good look. I’m out on Fox. Focus on getting Cam Johnson instead

[Spurs Homer]

Fox getting his coach fired because he publicly called out Fox’s terrible defense that cost the Kings the game is not a good look. I’m out on Fox. Focus on getting Cam Johnson instead


i caught a piece of a fox interview and the part i noticed was a reporter asking him if he had any guilt or anything about brown getting fired…

fox got triggered and then said “guilt” is not a word i would use…

[exstatic]

All star game selection would make it as well, right ?

Nope. MVP,DPOY,All NBA

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Yeah I'm off Fox. No way no how

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm with Nope.

[Dverde]

If the price is low enough. Spurs should kick the tires

[LeBowen]

29/5/12 with 4 steals, 1 block and just 3 turnovers against the Lakers.

11-16 for 2PT, 1-9 from 3PT (yikes) and 4-7 from the line.

[Manu-of-steel]

Depends on who we will give up

[tbdog]

You know who I like on the Raptors besides Quick is Olynk. Trade Collins and like three seconds for Olynk and we would finally have a decent backup center that can actually shoot.

Olynk is kinda a bad center but a good pf that plays center. Makes no sense. But when he is the rim protector, it's proper shit. He'll pair well with Wemby but hopeless with Barnes.

[rascal]

You know who I like on the Raptors besides Quick is Olynk. Trade Collins and like three seconds for Olynk and we would finally have a decent backup center that can actually shoot.

Why would they want Collins and low value 2nd round picks? Have to trade something of value if you want to receive something of value.

It's nice to think up trades that only help the Spurs, off loading undesirable players but the trades have to make sense for the other team too.

[DPG21920]

Why would they want Collins and low value 2nd round picks? Have to trade something of value if you want to receive something of value.

It's nice to think up trades that only help the Spurs, off loading undesirable players but the trades have to make sense for the other team too.

Finney-Smith just went to Lakers for 3 2nds.

[baseline bum]

Fox getting his coach fired because he publicly called out Fox’s terrible defense that cost the Kings the game is not a good look. I’m out on Fox. Focus on getting Cam Johnson instead

David and AJ supposedly got Bob Hill fired, which is supposedly why they had Pop's back so strongly in 1999 when he was on the hot seat going into that game in Houston since Pop took all the blame for the firing.

[rascal]

Finney-Smith just went to Lakers for 3 2nds.

Other veterans believed to be available for second-round draft compensation with 39 days to go until the trade deadline include Valančiūnas and Brogdon, Toronto’s Kelly Olynyk and Bruce Brown and Utah’s Jordan Clarkson. 16 mins ago – via marcstein.substack.com

[RC_Drunkford]

all 5 of them would help our team tbh

[LeBowen]

all 5 of them would help our team tbh

Not much of a feat when we have 3.5 useful players.

[KingKev]

5 SRPs and Zollins for JV lets fucking goooo

[objective]

4 2nds plus the fake Charlotte 1st and Zollins for JV .... Get it done B.Wrong! Big Brain Mitch can't handle the backup center, fix your mess!

[scott]

Gotta hold on to all those FRPs. The next Juan Nunez isn’t going to draft himself.

[Mal]

Why would they want Collins and low value 2nd round picks? Have to trade something of value if you want to receive something of value.


I start to think, that with very top heavy salary spending, those 2nd round picks are great value to fill up the roster, since you dont need players 11 to 13 anyways. And who know, maybe one lotto ticket would pan out.

[KobesAchilles]

JV would be a hell of a pick up for our FO to get. Especially for a few SRPs. Dude would be the best back up in the league and would bring us toughness and rebounding and a person who can actually make a jump hook.

[Gandalf]

JV would be a hell of a pick up for our FO to get. Especially for a few SRPs. Dude would be the best back up in the league and would bring us toughness and rebounding and a person who can actually make a jump hook.

Who is JV? I’m assuming it’s not Jacque Vaughn, but beyond that I got nothing.

[scott]

Who is JV? I’m assuming it’s not Jacque Vaughn, but beyond that I got nothing.

Big Daddy Val, Jonas Valanciunas

[KingKev]

The summer of JV’s draft year I took a piss beside him at a King St East (Toronto) night club. The whole bathroom started chanting his name while he was pissing. No stage freight whatsoever I can confirm. This team needs a closer like that.

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/EricPincus/status/1873830680813330435

(it says Fox will push for a trade before the deadline)

Make it happen, Brian!

Even if the best thing we get out of Fox is him Deron Williams-ing the coaching staff, it would be worth it.

Klutch Sports founder, president and CEO Rich Paul could be good for us here, I'm sure he'd rather have Fox play with Wemby than Sengun and Amen.

[CGD]

https://x.com/EricPincus/status/1873830680813330435

(it says Fox will push for a trade before the deadline)

Make it happen, Brian!

Even if the best thing we get out of Fox is him Deron Williams-ing the coaching staff, it would be worth it.

Klutch Sports founder, president and CEO Rich Paul could be good for us here, I'm sure he'd rather have Fox play with Wemby than Sengun and Amen.

So basically Reed, Witmore, 2 FRPs, and 2FRP swaps? Seems thin. Kinda think the Spurs beat that if they put Devin on the table.

[baseline bum]

https://x.com/EricPincus/status/1873830680813330435

(it says Fox will push for a trade before the deadline)

Make it happen, Brian!

Even if the best thing we get out of Fox is him Deron Williams-ing the coaching staff, it would be worth it.

Klutch Sports founder, president and CEO Rich Paul could be good for us here, I'm sure he'd rather have Fox play with Wemby than Sengun and Amen.

Bleacher Report is the modern day Hoopsworld, I wouldn't take anything they write seriously.

[Sugus]

Devin Vassell and some picks for De'Aaron Fox? Every day of the week, baby. :hungry:

[scott]

Been engaging on the Kings reddit, and man... things are bleak over there. Lots of understandable feelings of dejection, mixed with unrealistic expectations of ROI for Fox. The interest in Vassell is not high, to put it kindly. They want Castle and Sochan, but I don't think this FO would be willing to part with either (not getting into whether they should). I think the actualization of defensive prowess catapults them to the top of the most important players for our team going forward to the FO, and they'd rather just pass on deals than lose those two.

The lack of young, promising players on our roster (we have two: Castle and Sochan. I don't count Vassell or Johnson, guys on their extensions, to be "young" anymore) really hurts our ability to get moves done like these. Not trying to relitigate the Dillingham trade, but having someone you just took #8 overall might help in this scenario, because teams don't seem to want picks alone.

[BacktoBasics]

Been engaging on the Kings reddit, and man... things are bleak over there. Lots of understandable feelings of dejection, mixed with unrealistic expectations of ROI for Fox. The interest in Vassell is not high, to put it kindly. They want Castle and Sochan, but I don't think this FO would be willing to part with either (not getting into whether they should). I think the actualization of defensive prowess catapults them to the top of the most important players for our team going forward to the FO, and they'd rather just pass on deals than lose those two.

The lack of young, promising players on our roster (we have two: Castle and Sochan. I don't count Vassell or Johnson, guys on their extensions, to be "young" anymore) really hurts our ability to get moves done like these. Not trying to relitigate the Dillingham trade, but having someone you just took #8 overall might help in this scenario, because teams don't seem to want picks alone.

You don’t value the unprotected Minny pick higher than Dillingham?

I think the pick is probably worth more but if they’re trying to retool in short order I could understand Sacramento valuing a player over the pick but not sure they would specifically value dillingham higher.