De'Aaron Fox Rumors Suggest a Possible Trade to The Spurs

[TheBallsbreakers]

I believe that's called a Zhang Bang

(might oughta TM that)
Ha!

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm just a simple caveman, but if Atlanta is involved in trade discussions I'd like to find out how much they think their own first rounder is worth if they are allowed to command the tank.

[baseline bum]

How are these local guys out reporting Shams?

Which is why I'm having a hard time believing. When Shams says something then I'll know it's coming.

[baseline bum]

Spurs/Kings/Heat/Suns

Heat don't want Beal and no way he's waving his no trade clause to go to Sacramento.

[DPG21920]

Which is why I'm having a hard time believing. When Shams says something then I'll know it's coming.

I don’t believe Spurs Report guy but one little detail where it makes sense with local guys here possibly: Spurs and Kings and the local guys have lots of relationships built up over YEARS.

Don Harris knows Mike Brown (which is great also because for Spurs to like Fox, Brown would undoubtedly have been asked about his work ethic, talent etc.), Alvin Gentry (this is key relationship for information IMO) etc…so someone like him who definitely knows key players within Kings or around Kings stands to reason he could be getting very direct and good info here.

[DPG21920]

Suns don't want Beal and no way he's waving his no trade clause to go to Sacramento.

Spurs, ATL, NO and SAC seem to be core IMVHO. Could end up more like UTA, LA maybe even Heat/Suns, but think the first 4 there are the main ones.

[ginobilized]

I need another Zhang bang, it's been over 2 hrs since the last one.

[scott]

Listening to Keith Smith's show "yeah, I see those local San Antonio guys reporting stuff... I'd wait for someone else to report something" :lol

[objective]

Shouldn't Jeff McDonald being the beat reported for 15 or 20 years mean something? Can't this guy break a story, ever? If there was one media member on earth whose entire job could be done by chatgpt it's gotta be him

[scott]

Shouldn't Jeff McDonald being the beat reported for 15 or 20 years mean something? Can't this guy break a story, ever? If there was one media member on earth whose entire job could be done by chatgpt it's gotta be him

I think his job starts and ends at asking hard hitting questions like "Pop, you guys played hard tonight. How did that make you feel?"

[Mugen]

Yeah I'd never trust any of the local guys. Some of the worst in the biz tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Shouldn't Jeff McDonald being the beat reported for 15 or 20 years mean something? Can't this guy break a story, ever? If there was one media member on earth whose entire job could be done by chatgpt it's gotta be him

Jeff McCuckold. Using timvp threads to make articles of his own. :lol

[stephen jackson]

Yeah the local guys are walking zombies always have been ,

[CGD]

Listening to Keith Smith's show "yeah, I see those local San Antonio guys reporting stuff... I'd wait for someone else to report something" :lol

Wow, killer burn

[baseline bum]

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So much for the Cooper Flagg dream with that ATL pick :lol

[Dverde]

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Didn’t they say no thanks to Ingram during the Dejounte trade. They must really want off this Bogi contract.

[RC_Drunkford]

well owning the ATL picks, the Bulls pick and a Kings swap seems to come in very handy at this time :lol Bulls tryin to blow it up and the Kings are interested in Hawks and Bulls players. We have a lot of leverage.

[BatManu20]

Local Sacto reporter.

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[Robz4000]

So much for the Cooper Flagg dream with that ATL pick :lol

:lol Ingram isn't gonna win them more games

[BatManu20]

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Wonder what they'd be giving up though tbh.

[stephen jackson]

Local Sacto reporter.

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finally someone helping us get shit done if brian wright pulls this off keeping everyone we shall bow down

[spurraider21]

Local Sacto reporter.

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collins and/or cam johnson seem to make sense.

or beal :lol

[baseline bum]

Local Sacto reporter.

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Shit, was hoping to send them Vassell

[RC_Drunkford]

The crazy thing is if we get Fox, we'll pay Wemby and Fox a combined 50 million per year this and next season :lol That's less than 1 max player. Plenty of cap room to go.

[NASpurs]

I'm amazed how well the servers have held up with people constantly refreshing tbh.

[spurraider21]

Wonder what they'd be giving up though tbh.
yeah they're not exactly pick-rich right now

they want to unload bogi/capela but cant see why NOP would want those types of guys. perhaps Hunter, who has actually been good for once?

[RC_Drunkford]

yeah they're not exactly pick-rich right now

they want to unload bogi/capela but cant see why NOP would want those types of guys. perhaps Hunter, who has actually been good for once?

my guess is Sacramento wants Hunter. ATL might get their pick back from us to send Hunter to the Kings. Keep in mind ATL owns the Kings pick. They could package that one for Ingram. Really funny that we own ATL's picks and they own the Kings 25 :lol

[LeBowen]

I'm amazed how well the servers have held up with people constantly refreshing tbh.

They were actually updated, but timvp decided to keep the retro theme.

[Dverde]

Local Sacto reporter.

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Vassel then give the Bulls some picks to include Patrick Williams. Send Keldon or Zollins to Chicago.

[Pauleta14]

I don’t believe Spurs Report guy but one little detail where it makes sense with local guys here possibly: Spurs and Kings and the local guys have lots of relationships built up over YEARS.

Don Harris knows Mike Brown (which is great also because for Spurs to like Fox, Brown would undoubtedly have been asked about his work ethic, talent etc.), Alvin Gentry (this is key relationship for information IMO) etc…so someone like him who definitely knows key players within Kings or around Kings stands to reason he could be getting very direct and good info here.

Apparently, Fox and Brown were spotted having dinner not long after Brown's firing. They're close and Fox had nothing to do with his departure

[rascal]

My thinking is the Spurs already told Sac Castle is not going to be traded. If Castle was involved in any offers this trade would have been done already.

Castle is who the Kings want. Spurs playing the trade offers in their favor and Sac are not biting yet.

[John B]

I'm amazed how well the servers have held up with people constantly refreshing tbh.

Timvp himself might be on the hamster wheel himself

[Pauleta14]

Shouldn't Jeff McDonald being the beat reported for 15 or 20 years mean something? Can't this guy break a story, ever? If there was one media member on earth whose entire job could be done by chatgpt it's gotta be him

He doesn't see himself as an investigative reporter (true story), just as a beat writer (aka Spurs's PR)

[BackHome]

I would be Ok with sending Tre/CP3 and Vassell with Chicago pick

[lebomb]

I don't care what we do, as long as Castle isn't included.

[scott]

DAMN WOJ IS BACK FOR A BOMB!

https://i.ibb.co/64CM306/Wojbomb.jpg

[stephen jackson]

DAMN WOJ IS BACK FOR A BOMB!

https://i.ibb.co/64CM306/Wojbomb.jpg

all is right in the world ;)

[RC_Drunkford]

my guess is something like this


https://i.ibb.co/rR2rZNqQ/spursa.jpg

ATL 25 back to the Hawks
Kings get CHI 25 plus their swap back
SAC 25 pick owned by ATL to Pels plus CHA25 or a gang of second round picks from Spurs

*edit: now that I'm thinking about it, SAC could get their own 25 pick back from ATL if ATL gets their own 25 pick back from the Spurs. The SAC pick is 1-12 protected.

[CGD]

Vassel then give the Bulls some picks to include Patrick Williams. Send Keldon or Zollins to Chicago.

I like the Chicago 3-way but with SAC finally landing Lavine. We give CHI their pick back and they get off that albotross.

[TheBallsbreakers]

We're back in the doldrums again, eh.

[lefty20]

Foreplay has gone on long enough, can we move on to the climax please.

[Dejounte]

Bro if they only give up keldon lmfaao

[vy65]

I like the Chicago 3-way but with SAC finally landing Lavine. We give CHI their pick back and they get off that albotross.

I once had a Chicago 3-way with two BlueChews promo models. Shit got messy.

[scott]

Hear me out...

https://i.postimg.cc/50zGh3pz/spotrac-nba-trade-machine-1738365390519.png
Spurs get Fox as cheaply as possible, only giving up SA26 (which would be the best of SA/ATL), SA30 (which would be the best of SA/DAL/MIN) and returning the SAC31 Swap along with Devin and Keldon. We keep SA25, ATL25, and ATL27 which are the biggest wins. Spurs Waive/Injured Melton.

Kings turn Fox into two "win now" players, which they and their fans claim they want. They get their swap back.

Nets take back tank commanders and get two actually good FRPs for Cam Johnson. I specifically chose 2026 and 2030, because the Nets already have multiple FRPs in every other year.

To me, this is as close to optimal as possible.

[DPG21920]

my guess is something like this


https://i.ibb.co/rR2rZNqQ/spursa.jpg

ATL 25 back to the Hawks
Kings get CHI 25 plus their swap back
SAC 25 pick owned by ATL to Pels plus CHA25 or a gang of second round picks from Spurs

What about something like:

Spurs Get: Fox, Theis

ATL Gets: Brandon Ingram + Tre Jones + 2nds

NO Gets: Capela + Huerter + 2nds

SAC Gets: Sexton + Collins + Bogdan + ATL 25 + Their Swap Back

UTA Gets: Keldon + Zach Collins + Lyles + ATL 27

[spursgu]

I feel like this goes on until the 6th or doesn't happen at all. In other words, expecting something today seems unlikely to me.

[DPG21920]

Hear me out...

https://i.postimg.cc/50zGh3pz/spotrac-nba-trade-machine-1738365390519.png
Spurs get Fox as cheaply as possible, only giving up SA26 (which would be the best of SA/ATL), SA30 (which would be the best of SA/DAL/MIN) and returning the SAC31 Swap along with Devin and Keldon. We keep SA25, ATL25, and ATL27 which are the biggest wins. Spurs Waive/Injured Melton.

Kings turn Fox into two "win now" players, which they and their fans claim they want. They get their swap back.

Nets take back tank commanders and get two actually good FRPs for Cam Johnson. I specifically chose 2026 and 2030, because the Nets already have multiple FRPs in every other year.

To me, this is as close to optimal as possible.

Would love that deal

[scott]

Any trade scenario with NOP needs to result in them getting under the tax line. That will be a top priority for them.

[Seventyniner]

Hear me out...

https://i.imgflip.com/f0jmo.jpg

[scott]

I feel like this goes on until the 6th or doesn't happen at all. In other words, expecting something today seems unlikely to me.

You are correct. Dusty Garza and Don Harris just have everyone whipped into a frenzy with their clickbait.

[RC_Drunkford]

What about something like:

Spurs Get: Fox, Theis

ATL Gets: Brandon Ingram + Tre Jones + 2nds

NO Gets: Capela + Huerter + 2nds

SAC Gets: Sexton + Collins + Bogdan + ATL 25 + Their Swap Back

UTA Gets: Keldon + Zach Collins + Lyles + ATL 27

That's a good one. But I don't see NOLA trading Ingram for bad deals in Huerter and Capela without getting a first. The rest is certainly possible. I also think we will not trade both Hawks picks. We'll probably offer one and include the CHI pick instead.

[DPG21920]

That's a good one. But I don't see NOLA trading Ingram for bad deals in Huerter and Capela without getting a first. The rest is certainly possible. I also think we will not trade both Hawks picks. We'll probably offer one and include the CHI pick instead.

Capela is at least expiring and Huerter is only one more year, but it doesnt get NO out of luxury tax so not sure they do it…

[RC_Drunkford]

With the way the playing field is looking, it does make too much sense for the Spurs to get this done ASAP.

We have ATL and CHI picks, ATL has SAC's pick. Both ATL and CHI are trying to trade players. Multiple players that SAC wants are on the trade block. Fox wants the Spurs. If you wait this one out til the offseason, you're overplaying your hand.

[Mugen]

The holdup is probably BWrong trying to squeeze some 2033 pick swaps out of it tbh.

[DPG21920]

Any hold up would be trades being very hard to compete, details matter and when you have more than 2 teams it just takes one team to back out, change things or hold it up.

[Cardinal]

I assume the injury report for todays game will tell us if a deal is imminent

[The Truth #6]

If you drag out negotiations too long with four teams, it's very possible a couple of them split off and do their own trade and kill the overall deal. Just spitballing.

[Dejounte]

I assume the injury report for todays game will tell us if a deal is imminent

hasnt it been released already and the only one was sidy?

[ffadicted]

The level of disappointment in this thread when no deal goes through is gonna be hilarious.
Jokes aside I really hope we somehow manage to hold onto atlanta's pick this year, or put some protections around it, or give the worst of ATL and SAS picks this year. My gambling addict self has a GOOD feeling about that pick.

[stephen jackson]

probably stopped cuz game about to go on im sure well have a 3am announcement like kawhi

[Cardinal]

hasnt it been released already and the only one was sidy?

oh maybe so but I thought it’s finalized an hour before tipoff and could be changed then

[Blizzardwizard]

"BREAKING: De'Aaron Fox deal to San Antonio is OFF, per source.


"Spurs had agreed to send one of Devin Vassell or Keldon Johnson to Sacramento in the initial deal. An impromptu three-point contest held at the Spurs practice facility to decide which player would stay in San Antonio was called off after neither player made a single shot in six hours on the court.


'They tried their best and that's all that matters. We're gonna keep being patient with them,' said Spurs GM Brian Wright on the ordeal."

[scott]

"BREAKING: De'Aaron Fox deal to San Antonio is OFF, per source.


"Spurs had agreed to send one of Devin Vassell or Keldon Johnson to Sacramento in the initial deal. An impromptu three-point contest held at the Spurs practice facility to decide which player would stay in San Antonio was called off after neither player made a single shot in six hours on the court.


'They tried their best and that's all that matters. We're gonna keep being patient with them,' said Spurs GM Brian Wright on the ordeal."

The Power of Friendship prevails

[Light]

"BREAKING: De'Aaron Fox deal to San Antonio is OFF, per source.


"Spurs had agreed to send one of Devin Vassell or Keldon Johnson to Sacramento in the initial deal. An impromptu three-point contest held at the Spurs practice facility to decide which player would stay in San Antonio was called off after neither player made a single shot in six hours on the court.


'They tried their best and that's all that matters. We're gonna keep being patient with them,' said Spurs GM Brian Wright on the ordeal."

A break-up so close to Valentine's Day...

:pop: "That's not who we are"

[vy65]

The Power of Friendship prevails

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2E11-C1K0OQujgTRXowqQ7EXQ8cI75HR0XA&s

** Pictured above, three point shoot out contestants Devin “BFF Foreverrrrrrrrr” Vassell and Keldon “Heart Hands” Johnson **

[rascal]

Hear me out...

https://i.postimg.cc/50zGh3pz/spotrac-nba-trade-machine-1738365390519.png
Spurs get Fox as cheaply as possible, only giving up SA26 (which would be the best of SA/ATL), SA30 (which would be the best of SA/DAL/MIN) and returning the SAC31 Swap along with Devin and Keldon. We keep SA25, ATL25, and ATL27 which are the biggest wins. Spurs Waive/Injured Melton.

Kings turn Fox into two "win now" players, which they and their fans claim they want. They get their swap back.

Nets take back tank commanders and get two actually good FRPs for Cam Johnson. I specifically chose 2026 and 2030, because the Nets already have multiple FRPs in every other year.

To me, this is as close to optimal as possible.

This would be the best possible outcome to keep Castle and both SA and Atlanta 25 picks.

[BatManu20]

Castle is on the court warming up. :tu

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs wanted to trade Keldon Johnson to the Kings, but he would have to abandon his chickens on his farm. That would've led to 20 chickens dying. Gregg Popovich commented on the situation: "That's not who we are. Do you see how these chickens sit on their eggs? You can learn a lot about team building here."

[poopbox]

Castle is on the court warming up. :tu

Meh, Mavs traded Barnes while he was sitting on the bench during a game :lol

[Dverde]

Fox have his sit down dinner with the creepy Kings owner yet?

[scott]

Spurs wanted to trade Keldon Johnson to the Kings, but he would have to abandon his chickens on his farm. That would've led to 20 chickens dying. Gregg Popovich commented on the situation: "That's not who we are. Do you see how these chickens sit on their eggs? You can learn a lot about team building here."

Popovich followed up with a 45 minute monologue about the egg shortage and how it's up to our nation's leaders to ensure egg availability.

[scott]

Fox have his sit down dinner with the creepy Kings owner yet?

Apparently this was all bullshit, and there is no dinner (according to the Kings subreddit, who is also blaming Dusty Garza for starting that stupid rumor based on a phone call some fan made to a SAC radio show :lol)

[vy65]

BREAKING THREE TEAM TRADE NEWS:





































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[100%duncan]

A break-up so close to Valentine's Day...

:pop: "That's not who we are"

:lol

[stephen jackson]

Apparently this was all bullshit, and there is no dinner (according to the Kings subreddit, who is also blaming Dusty Garza for starting that stupid rumor based on a phone call some fan made to a SAC radio show :lol)
lol wow i fell for it oh well

[Dverde]

I’m beginning to think this Eric Zhang may not be a reliable source. I assumed this was RC’s burner.

[100%duncan]

At least Castle is not going. I said if he was the hold-up then bye Steph, but keeping him is actually ++++ for Bwrong

[kxs783kms]

Everybody is playing tonight. There is no trade done.

[thiste]

BREAKING THREE TEAM TRADE NEWS:





































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:spless:

[lefty]

I would rather get Trae tbh

[Thomas82]

He died please try to be respectful. Thanks

For real!? Wow!! I'm sorry to hear that. I haven't been as plugged in with the board in recent years.

[dokdok]

https://x.com/SpursReporter/status/1885480161770147980

[vy65]

https://x.com/SpursReporter/status/1885480161770147980

I have it on good information that every team in the league is involved. Stay tuned ….

[ffadicted]

https://x.com/SpursReporter/status/1885480161770147980

6 teams, is this a troll lol

[NASpurs]

So full of shit.

"Out of respect for the game ", shut up dude.

[Seventyniner]

6 teams, is this a troll lol

By Thursday it will be a 30-team trade.

[Maddog]

By Thursday it will be a 30-team trade.

32 teams
will probably involve future Seattle and Vegas franchises

[scott]

Dusty Garza trying to run up the size of his check from Elon for all this engagement. Might make it to triple digits at this rate.

[stephen jackson]

what a piece of shit

[timtonymanu]

No wonder SA Spurs journalism is such a fucking joke. :lol

[baseline bum]

You are correct. Dusty Garza and Don Harris just have everyone whipped into a frenzy with their clickbait.

ROFL just watched the 6:00 news on WOAI-TV and Harris was out and the big report on Harris' station was a Sacramento reporter declaring all is quiet on the trade front. Not even Harris' own station will report his scoop. And you know Sinclair doesn't have too strong of journalistic standards.

[baseline bum]

For real!? Wow!! I'm sorry to hear that. I haven't been as plugged in with the board in recent years.

They're fucking with you.

[BatManu20]

We’ve been had.

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[Maddog]

We’ve been had.

1885468310499975331

your going to take his word over Dusty and Don?

[lefty20]

Prolly on pause for the game and to be picked up afterwards.

Locker room vibes gotta be janky af for this game, tbh.

[stephen jackson]

:vomit:

[BatManu20]

your going to take his word over Dusty and Don?

I trust nobody's word but T-Spence tbh.

[BatManu20]

Prolly on pause for the game and to be picked up afterwards.

Locker room vibes gotta be janky af for this game, tbh.

Hell yea you know those guys are all sweating bullets right now. Devin, Steph, Keldon, Sochan, Tre, etc. are probably all having conversations about whether or not they're going to be here in a week. Not a fun time to be a Spurs role player tbh.

[texbound]

I have it on good information that every team in the league is involved. Stay tuned ….

I heard all 32 teams, the Dallas Cowboys, Kansas City Chiefs, NY Yankees and Atlanta Braves are now involved. Stay tuned......a lot to work out on this.

[The Truth #6]

ROFL just watched the 6:00 news on WOAI-TV and Harris was out and the big report on Harris' station was a Sacramento reporter declaring all is quiet on the trade front. Not even Harris' own station will report his scoop. And you know Sinclair doesn't have too strong of journalistic standards.

Exactly. We're basing all of this not on Shams but on Don Harris. SMH.

[timtonymanu]

Hell yea you know those guys are all sweating bullets right now. Devin, Steph, Keldon, Sochan, Tre, etc. are probably all having conversations about whether or not they're going to be here in a week. Not a fun time to be a Spurs role player tbh.

Oh well that’s the business sometimes. I don’t know why some fans (not you or most others on here) think we’re immune to doing trades or that we owe it to these scrubby players to keep some of them around.

[scott]

Oh well that’s the business sometimes. I don’t know why some fans (not you or most others on here) think we’re immune to doing trades or that we owe it to these scrubby players to keep some of them around.

To be fair, it's not just Spurs fans. All fans get overly attached to their guys, it's just human nature.

[Larry O]

Looks like Dusty and Don wanted attention by being the first to break BIG breaking news in Spurs history, LOL!

[Payote75]

Watch the spurs end up with Ingram or Cam Johnson to that would be a wow

[Bill_Brasky]

Im still laughing at the "power of friendship" line :lol

[Robz4000]

This team is legit retarded

[SpursGenius]

Hoard the picks and hope for Flagg, Harper, Edgecomb or Tre. All better than Fox. We don’t lose any assets.

[LeBowen]

Hoard the picks and hope for Flagg, Harper, Edgecomb or Tre. All better than Fox. We don’t lose any assets.

You couldn't have chosen a more suitable username.

[Das Texan]

Dusty Garza trying to run up the size of his check from Elon for all this engagement. Might make it to triple digits at this rate.

Fucking Modesto.

[jjspur]

I don't watch WOAI mainly because it sucks, but does Don Harris still even work there ? With lame reporting like this spurs trade, my guess is that he probably doesn't.

[scott]

While it doesn't help Vassell or Sochan's trade value, this Bucks game kind went perfectly if you want to see a Fox trade. We avoid going 5 games under .500 with a big blowout win, and do it without any help from Devin or Jeremy, kind of demonstrating that they're really kind of superfluous. (I still think Jeremy can be a valuable bench player for us, but he doesn't need to be considered, nor has he earned consideration, as part of the "future core"). Hopefully we can get another good win tomorrow and give the FO confidence that a trade for Fox now is the right move.

Still hoping we can pull it off with a 3rd team in a way that preserves both the ATL25 and SA25 picks, or least make it a lesser of. I'd even go as far to include an extra protected pick as compensation for the lesser-of conditions. You don't want to be the team that trades away Cooper Flagg, and while the odds are low... they are climbing with Jalen Johnson out for the year.

[cutewizard]

The suspense is................

[thiste]

LOL @ FanDuel calling Steph "Devin Vassell" during the presser

[John B]

LOL @ FanDuel calling Steph "Devin Vassell" during the presser

Send Sac Devin instead of Castle, they wouldn’t notice

[thiste]

like WTF

https://i.imgur.com/uPTsjK5.jpeg

During the WHOLE conference

[Blizzardwizard]

"BREAKING: De'Aaron Fox deal to San Antonio is OFF, per source.


"Spurs had agreed to send one of Devin Vassell or Keldon Johnson to Sacramento in the initial deal. An impromptu three-point contest held at the Spurs practice facility to decide which player would stay in San Antonio was called off after neither player made a single shot in six hours on the court.


'They tried their best and that's all that matters. We're gonna keep being patient with them,' said Spurs GM Brian Wright on the ordeal."


Congrats KJ!

[Splits]

like WTF

https://i.imgur.com/uPTsjK5.jpeg

During the WHOLE conference

looks accurate to me, don't be racist.

[thiste]

Posting this because that might change their minds about trading Brandon Ingram, which in turn might have an impact on our 4 team blockbuster trade. Wishing Dejounte well anyway.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885535215189098824

[TrainOfThought5]

What a crazy year!

[cutewizard]

My dream line up

Wemby at center

Durant and Flagg at forward

Fox and Castle at guard

[BackHome]

Posting this because that might change their minds about trading Brandon Ingram, which in turn might have an impact on our 4 team blockbuster trade. Wishing Dejounte well anyway.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885535215189098824

It probably helps them as they really need just scratch and start over as Zion is never going to work for them just get as many picks as possible for Ingram and Zion

[T Park]

Looks like Dusty and Don wanted attention by being the first to break BIG breaking news in Spurs history, LOL!

Don’s BIL is an executive with the Kings.

It’s not like he’s pulled it out of his ass

[BackHome]

Crazy day today we kill the Bucks and the Pelicans beat the Celtics

[Kurik]

Crazy day today we kill the Bucks and the Pelicans beat the Celtics

Pelicans lost

[goliath]

Keldon spoke to the crowd after the game. Maybe I’m reading into something that isnt there but he seemed emotional. Thanked the fans, the city and his family. The whole vibe on the bench at the end of the game seemed weird

[tim_duncan_fan]

Did yall hear Vic just now?

"every team makes trades and its about to happen...it's about to happen eventually"

I am dying mayne lmao

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/czWEz7EK9gU?si=dDbIZ2RtaKJbs1sa

[Dejounte]

Keldon spoke to the crowd after the game. Maybe I’m reading into something that isnt there but he seemed emotional. Thanked the fans, the city and his family. The whole vibe on the bench at the end of the game seemed weird

what the hell would be the reason to do that? Theres nothing special about today

[Davidicus]

Say what you will about KJ, but man I would miss his passion if he got traded. No Spur has had this much heart since Manu.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/QWvF-jwYC0A?si=1uuGFweK2zlO6RGG

[cutewizard]

Time travel ........


https://youtu.be/ALjXeRBoU_k?si=ABEmRF4N5j7Bjfuy

[cutewizard]

Let's christen him as "Quicksilver" !!!!!!!!

.....................................


https://youtu.be/JeiHNLZpSu8?si=UtP53dheDxKLYNTz

[cd98]

If Spurs trade for Fox, they might as well trade their 2025 first round pick because Fox will likely play them out of the lottery. They would be first round fodder, but a good chance they are a top 10 team and a fair chance they get the 8th seed.

[jjspur]

like WTF

Devin Vassell : What !! There's no Taco Cabana in Sacramento ..... shiiiit.

https://i.imgur.com/uPTsjK5.jpeg

During the WHOLE conference

[Larry O]

This looks more like Castle than DV-24?

[cutewizard]

Guys

Upon the arrival of Fox, what would be our best starting lineup?

Do we start CP3 also??

[Uriel]

My guess of the current situation:

1. Spurs made an offer to the Kings (the widely reported 4-team deal)
2. The Kings are sitting on the offer while the owner preps for a meeting to convince Fox to stay
3. The Kings will revisit the Spurs’ offer after their meeting with Fox

[BackHome]

Is this guy really worth a max contract?

[jjspur]

This looks more like Castle than DV-24?

I agree, but the label says Devin Vassell. Maybe its the hair style. NBA TV should get their labels straight.

[baseline bum]

Is this guy really worth a max contract?

Absolutely, especially when it will be effectively a decreasing contract in terms of percentage of the cap taken with the 10% bumps in the cap every year.

[Russo21]

Is it a done deal or no? Saw a post from Shams we got FOX for Vassell, Johnson and multiple 1st round picks. Would be a dream to get rid of negatives DV and KJ for Fox. Dunno how many 1sts, just heard multiple. Always admired KJ for his passion and love for the team, but he's been here a while now and we haven't accomplished anything with him.

Said the post was from Shams but I can't find anything official yet.

[PhantomDashCam]

Keldon spoke to the crowd after the game. Maybe I’m reading into something that isnt there but he seemed emotional. Thanked the fans, the city and his family. The whole vibe on the bench at the end of the game seemed weird


what the hell would be the reason to do that? Theres nothing special about today

Yeah that does seem weird. Thought it might be because they were about to start their RRT but the play the Heat tonight in SA.

Going down the read too far into route too - KJs pre-game presser lacked energy and he perked up more when talking about Herro’s All-Star bid rather than Wemby’s…


https://youtu.be/E_RN5lx-kkM?si=T2LmvSuaAxuy1fWf

[slick'81]

We wont miss ya kj..well maybe just a little

[Ice009]

What, Keldon really addressed the crowd after the game? I thought the Don Harris/Dusty Garza reporting was a load of crap as I don't trust either of them so I didn't buy into any of it.

Edit : I should also say, KJ is one of those guys I mentioned that I really like, but don't really believe in as a player. Devin, I did believe in as a player, but unfortunately, he hasn't reached the level I thought he would.
Anyway, not saying these guys are on the move as I haven't bought into it yet, but if KJ is, great, great person and I hope he does well if he is traded. Thanks a lot for all your years representing the Spurs.

And as much as I don't like Dejounte at times with his behaviour, sorry to hear about the torn achilles. Hopefully he recovers well as this is a brutal injury. Apart from KD, has anyone else recovered well from that injury lately? Not sure if the repair/surgery has improved a lot since the days of Kobe and other guys suffering that injury, or if KD was a one-off recovering well from it.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Is it a done deal or no? Saw a post from Shams we got FOX for Vassell, Johnson and multiple 1st round picks. Would be a dream to get rid of negatives DV and KJ for Fox. Dunno how many 1sts, just heard multiple. Always admired KJ for his passion and love for the team, but he's been here a while now and we haven't accomplished anything with him.

Said the post was from Shams but I can't find anything official yet.

Giving up multiple firsts would be terrible especially in this draft

[goliath]

What, Keldon really addressed the crowd after the game? I thought the Don Harris/Dusty Garza reporting was a load of crap as I don't trust either of them so I didn't buy into any of it.

Was the on court interview that they sometimes do after a win for the home crowd

[Russo21]

Giving up multiple firsts would be terrible especially in this draft

Didn't say which year. Hopefully not this year but that's likely what the Kings would want yeah. Can't find anything else. We shall see ��

[TheBallsbreakers]

Didn't say which year. Hopefully not this year but that's likely what the Kings would want yeah. Can't find anything else. We shall see ��
Shams hasn't said anything about the trade being done.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Is it a done deal or no? Saw a post from Shams we got FOX for Vassell, Johnson and multiple 1st round picks. Would be a dream to get rid of negatives DV and KJ for Fox. Dunno how many 1sts, just heard multiple. Always admired KJ for his passion and love for the team, but he's been here a while now and we haven't accomplished anything with him.

Said the post was from Shams but I can't find anything official yet.

This probably what you saw:
https://x.com/Gr4nts/status/1885430756140269733

Cmon, man.

[benefactor]

Is this guy really worth a max contract?
2010 called. They want their take back

[PICK-N-ROLL]

Who now wears jersey #5? Will there be a new Area 51?

[cutewizard]

Just trying Deepseek, let's see how this AI understands current trends in the game

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Deepseek >>>>>>>>

Absolutely, let’s break down the potential impact of pairing De’Aaron Fox with Victor Wembanyama and Stephon Castle in the San Antonio Spurs organization. This hypothetical scenario would be fascinating, as it combines elite speed, playmaking, and defensive versatility with generational talent and youth. Here's an analysis:
1. De’Aaron Fox’s Fit with the Spurs

Speed and Playmaking: Fox is one of the fastest players in the NBA and an elite playmaker. His ability to push the pace in transition would perfectly complement the Spurs' system, which thrives on ball movement and unselfish play.

Scoring Threat: Fox’s ability to score at all three levels (drives, mid-range, and improving 3-point shooting) would give the Spurs a reliable go-to option in crunch time.

Leadership: As a veteran with playoff experience, Fox could provide leadership to a young Spurs core, helping accelerate their development.

2. Victor Wembanyama’s Role

Two-Way Dominance: Wembanyama is a generational talent with the ability to impact the game on both ends. His rim protection, shot-blocking, and ability to stretch the floor as a 7'4" big would make him the cornerstone of the Spurs' defense and offense.

Pick-and-Roll/Pop with Fox: A Fox-Wembanyama pick-and-roll would be nearly unstoppable. Fox’s speed and ability to finish at the rim, combined with Wembanyama’s ability to pop for threes or roll to the basket, would create nightmares for opposing defenses.

Defensive Synergy: Fox’s quick hands and ability to pressure ball-handlers would pair well with Wembanyama’s rim protection, creating a formidable defensive duo.

3. Stephon Castle’s Potential Impact

Versatility: Castle, a highly touted prospect, is known for his versatility as a combo guard. He can handle the ball, facilitate, and defend multiple positions, making him an excellent fit alongside Fox and Wembanyama.

Youth and Development: Castle’s growth would benefit immensely from playing alongside a veteran like Fox and a transcendent talent like Wembanyama. He could develop into a secondary playmaker and a reliable two-way player.

Spacing and Ball Movement: Castle’s ability to play off the ball would allow Fox to handle primary playmaking duties, while Wembanyama’s gravity would create open looks for Castle on the perimeter.

4. Team Dynamics and System

Offensive Firepower: The trio of Fox, Wembanyama, and Castle would give the Spurs a dynamic offensive core capable of scoring in transition, half-court sets, and isolation situations.

Defensive Potential: With Fox’s perimeter defense, Castle’s versatility, and Wembanyama’s rim protection, the Spurs could develop into one of the league’s top defensive teams.

Spurs’ Culture: The Spurs’ emphasis on teamwork, player development, and unselfish play would maximize the strengths of all three players. Fox’s experience and Wembanyama’s talent would elevate the team’s competitiveness, while Castle’s development would ensure long-term success.

5. Challenges

Chemistry: Integrating Fox into a young Spurs team would require time to build chemistry, especially with Wembanyama and Castle.

Roster Construction: The Spurs would need to surround this trio with shooters and role players to maximize spacing and balance the roster.

Health and Durability: Wembanyama’s health and ability to handle a heavy workload would be critical to the team’s success.

6. Long-Term Outlook

Championship Potential: If all three players reach their potential, the Spurs could become a perennial contender in the Western Conference. Fox’s prime years would align with Wembanyama’s rise, creating a window for sustained success.

Youth Movement: With Wembanyama and Castle as foundational pieces, the Spurs would have a bright future even as Fox ages.

ConclusionPairing De’Aaron Fox with Victor Wembanyama and Stephon Castle would be a game-changer for the San Antonio Spurs. Fox’s elite playmaking and scoring, combined with Wembanyama’s two-way dominance and Castle’s versatility, would create a dynamic and balanced team capable of competing at the highest level. While there would be challenges, the potential upside is enormous, making this trio a potential powerhouse in the NBA. 🏀🔥

[spursparker9]

This probably what you saw:
https://x.com/Gr4nts/status/1885430756140269733

Cmon, man.

I hope is not the Hawk's 2025 pick if true

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNJgqmFHNk

[CGD]

Yeah that does seem weird. Thought it might be because they were about to start their RRT but the play the Heat tonight in SA.

Going down the read too far into route too - KJs pre-game presser lacked energy and he perked up more when talking about Herro’s All-Star bid rather than Wemby’s…


https://youtu.be/E_RN5lx-kkM?si=T2LmvSuaAxuy1fWf

Werent Herro and he college teammates? Probably just happy for a fellow UK guy.

[Chillen]

Hope the Spurs get Fox. Him and Wemby definitely will put Spurs in contenders status for the foreseeable future as long as they stay healthy. Just don't want to give up that much depth.

[rascal]

I hope is not the Hawk's 2025 pick if true

Offer Sochan to keep both top 25s. Then we have a deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

1885623155818971202

[cutewizard]

waiting........waiting.........

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrC7e3vSv8

[Joseph Kony]

Is it a done deal or no? Saw a post from Shams we got FOX for Vassell, Johnson and multiple 1st round picks. Would be a dream to get rid of negatives DV and KJ for Fox. Dunno how many 1sts, just heard multiple. Always admired KJ for his passion and love for the team, but he's been here a while now and we haven't accomplished anything with him.

Said the post was from Shams but I can't find anything official yet.

How fitting that the dipshit magatard can't discern fake news and believes some randos tweet because it said shams on it :lmao

[benefactor]

Offer Sochan to keep both top 25s. Then we have a deal.
They don't want him. They are going to want picks and you are going to have to give them some. I know you have it drilled in your Boomer head that the draft is the only way to build a contender, but at some point you have to bring in talent that already exists.

[Leetonidas]

1885623155818971202

Tired of all this edging already:lol

[benefactor]

waiting........waiting.........

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrC7e3vSv8
This is the best cover of this song ever done. His whole channel is full of great covers.

[SupremeGuy]

Ok so if this actually happens, what would the starting rotation look like?

[Leetonidas]

Ok so if this actually happens, what would the starting rotation look like?

Fox
Castle
Champ
Barnes
Wemby

[LeBowen]

Ok so if this actually happens, what would the starting rotation look like?

We don't know until we find out who's going the other way?
Assuming Castle is safe, he'll probably move to starting SF position if Barnes is also staying.
CP3/Fox/Castle/Barnes
If Barnes is gone, then Jeremy has to start at PF and Castle gets benched.
CP3/Fox/Champ/Jeremy

If Devin stays, I don't see how he doesn't get benched unless CP3 is gone, which doesn't look likely.

[spurraider21]

Meanwhile on the kings subreddit:

saw a great trade proposal. Knocked my socks off

Kings receive: Trae, Vassell, 2FRP from Spurs
Hawks receive: Stephon Castle, Kevin Huerter, 2FRP from Spurs
Spurs receive: Fox, Dyson Daniels

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/s/tXV1GMyGf4

i think they believe Fox is the best player in the nba or something

[benefactor]

Meanwhile on the kings subreddit:

saw a great trade proposal. Knocked my socks off

Kings receive: Trae, Vassell, 2FRP from Spurs
Hawks receive: Stephon Castle, Kevin Huerter, 2FRP from Spurs
Spurs receive: Fox, Dyson Daniels

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/s/tXV1GMyGf4

i think they believe Fox is the best player in the nba or something
:lol...yeah, they have been hilarious on Twitter as well

[Ice009]

WOW. 4 Spurs first round picks plus giving away Stephon and Devin. WTF. That is wild.

[rjv]

Meanwhile on the kings subreddit:

saw a great trade proposal. Knocked my socks off

Kings receive: Trae, Vassell, 2FRP from Spurs
Hawks receive: Stephon Castle, Kevin Huerter, 2FRP from Spurs
Spurs receive: Fox, Dyson Daniels

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/s/tXV1GMyGf4

i think they believe Fox is the best player in the nba or something

:vomit:

[BatManu20]

Who now wears jersey #5? Will there be a new Area 51?

Castle ain't going anywhere based on preliminary reports. If Keldon is moved (which seems likely), then Fox would likely return to #0, which he wore in college.

[jjspur]

Meanwhile on the kings subreddit:

saw a great trade proposal. Knocked my socks off

Kings receive: Trae, Vassell, 2FRP from Spurs
Hawks receive: Stephon Castle, Kevin Huerter, 2FRP from Spurs
Spurs receive: Fox, Dyson Daniels

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/s/tXV1GMyGf4

i think they believe Fox is the best player in the nba or something

That is really a crock of shit trade, of course its from reddit.

[rankingtear]

The geniuses here who can read the tea leaves guess the other Western team and the Eastern team in the 4 team deal. Suns-Miami, Uta-Atl there is also LAL-WAS.

[Dverde]

I figure the outgoing is Vassell + Keldon or Zollins. I’m with others that Keldon knows he might be playing his last games in SA, I was hoping it would be Zollins since he only has one year left. We’ll need a spark off the bench if Keldon goes. Kick the tires on the price of Jordan Clarkson in Utah?

[RC_Drunkford]

NOLA ATL

[BackHome]

Fox
Castle
Champ
Barnes
Wemby

That looks realistically the best line up as if Sac does trade I think they are going to want and need a PG so I would assume CP3 might be in the trade

[LeBowen]

Windy is now saying Warriors are the most likely team to get Jimmy.
I don't see that 4-way trade happening.

As I said before, ATL as the third team makes most sense.
Maybe NOLA (Ingram), BRK (Cam) or UTA (Collins).

[Leetonidas]

That looks realistically the best line up as if Sac does trade I think they are going to want and need a PG so I would assume CP3 might be in the trade

I don't think spurs would do CP3 like that. They can have Jones and just start Malik Monk at PG instead.

[Leetonidas]

So what are those chumps Don Harris and Dusty Garza saying this morning? Can't post any updates out of respect for tonights game? :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If it’s really a 4 team trade I’d say it’s SA, Sac, Brooklyn and NO.

[Dverde]

The next Domino to drop would be Fox being sat against OKC. If you are trying to maximize return you can’t have the guy getting hurt like DJ last night. That would tell me they are close to a deal.

[Gandalf]

Isn’t Fox already hurt / needs hand surgery? Would they just have him get it now (even if we acquired him) so he’s ready for next year?

[Strategic]

If it’s really a 4 team trade I’d say it’s SA, Sac, Brooklyn and NO.That would be good to not help out any real contenders. Not that what the Spurs have to offer is gonna help much.

[BatManu20]

Always one to wear his heart on his sleeve. Keldon knows he’s cooked.

1885558278962450876

[szkorhetz]

I don't want to give up Castle for Fox.

[spurs10]

Isn’t Fox already hurt / needs hand surgery? Would they just have him get it now (even if we acquired him) so he’s ready for next year? Wondering the same. Seems like if they get him he'll be out for the rest of the season. Might help the deal him not being 100%, but don't really know how bad it is and what the recovery will be.

[LeBowen]

Wondering the same. Seems like if they get him he'll be out for the rest of the season. Might help the deal him not being 100%, but don't really know how bad it is and what the recovery will be.

Apparently it's a finger ligamet injury on his left hand, nothing serious.

[BatManu20]

I don't want to give up Castle for Fox.

We're not according to reports.

[scott]

Today is the day that a bunch of new people learn that Dusty Garza and Don Harris are completely full of shit

[T Park]

Seeing as Don Harris’s brother in law is a Kings executive, he knows. Garza is just the parrot

[scott]

The next Domino to drop would be Fox being sat against OKC. If you are trying to maximize return you can’t have the guy getting hurt like DJ last night. That would tell me they are close to a deal.

Likewise with our guys. If Devin or Keldon were going out, wouldn't we sit them? Maybe Keldon is sad (and Devin is shitty) because the team has told them "yeah, there are discussions and you might be involved" (which would shock me) but if a deal were close, wouldn't we sit them?

I can't think of any circumstances of how we've done this in the past, seems like all our recent trades have been on off days. The trade deadline is always during the Rodeo Road Trip though, which is kind of rough - you gotta trade a guy while he's on a road trip.

[scott]

Seeing as Don Harris’s brother in law is a Kings executive, he knows. Garza is just the parrot

I've seen people say this... but is it confirmed? What does he supposedly do? I know several executives at the Spurs organization, but they wouldn't know shit about a trade because Brian Wright and RC aren't calling up those types of people to fill them in.

There isn't anyone named Harris on the King's organizational roster. https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Sacramento-Kings/25/staff-members

Pre-emptive edit: It's not Harris's brother, it's his Brother-in-Law, and it's apparently Alvin Gentry (found an old Tweet by Harris where me mentions his BIL is Alvin). Alvin is obviously a basketball guy, not some VP of Ticket Sales or some shit... but his official title is "VP of Basketball Engagement". Who knows what this title means and if he'd actually be in the inner circle on a trade, but at least this Harris's brother thing is legit, and you'd think Don wouldn't pump complete BS if it involves his BIL.

[CGD]

Wondering the same. Seems like if they get him he'll be out for the rest of the season. Might help the deal him not being 100%, but don't really know how bad it is and what the recovery will be.

Well that’s also an elegant solution for CP3 then. Interesting

[Gandalf]

Well that’s also an elegant solution for CP3 then. Interesting

Depending on whether we keep our pick, it might also help us increase our odds at a top 4-5 pick this year, one last time.

[RC_Drunkford]

the problem is the Kings have too many cooks in the kitchen and not one person making the final decision. So whatever they are saying, some people could be in their FO blocking the whole thing and it won't fall through. This is what apparently happened with the Cam Johnson trade before.

[Chinook]

So a few folks have been reaching out checking if I'm okay. I am fine, and I appreciate you checking. I've just had limited time lately and have been into some other things. I've watched basically every Spurs game with varying degrees of attention.

This season is going about how I would expect it to go. The Spurs are mediocre, and I'm fine with that. This season is like watching plants grow. It's not exciting while it's happening, but it's a necessary part of the process. I think the Spurs are getting some answers for how they can build the team moving forward. Some of those answers are disappointing, but it was important that they are taking the time to verify that. Some are exciting.

My overall stance hasn't changed: The Spurs should be looking at acquiring players for the roles they currently want them to fill and not acquire them for the roles they hope they'll be able to fill in the future. If the Spurs want a second option who can step up in the playoffs, they need to go for older vets who have already shown they're good at that. If they want a guy who can grow with Wemby for the next five years, they should be looking at high draft picks. What I don't think they should do is try to split that difference by paying a premium for young vets who haven't proven anything but who also want max contracts.

As a result, a Fox trade doesn't really appeal right now. I think in any major trade, you have to ask yourself: What is the path to true contention going forward? I don't think Wemby and Fox get you there. I think you're still chasing that star wing, and while the Spurs may still have the assets and flexibility to get them there, I don't think they have the window to take advantage of it. I believe Wemby still needs at the very least another year after this one for seasoning, and so you end up with basically three max contracts and a lot fewer assets to play around that in a league where bloated salaries are getting harder to collect.

So for me, I think the team should be planning for 2026. Hopefully, they have a third year of draft luck and Castle continues to develop. The bigger thing is maintaining a clean cap going into that summer and combining that, the trade assets and the progression of the key youngsters into a roster with an actual window. Yes, that means there is more pain or at least mediocrity ahead, but it's necessary. The Spurs CANNOT afford to mess up the timing of this push. That is how you end up losing stars.

In terms of what kind of opportunities would cause me to want the Spurs to break off the 2026 path, there are only a handful of players. I still think that Curry, Lebron and Durant would be worth it in terms of old vets who can still get it done if put into ideal conditions. I'm excluding obvious prime MVP candidates like Jokic, SGA and Giannis (and yes, I'm glad people are realizing that he's actually a POS -- he's been that since before he got into the NBA). When talking about young PGs who I think could form a real championship foundation with Wemby, the list basically begins and ends with Morant. If you have Ja and Vic, you can go into "fill in the pieces" mode. Short of him, the surrounding team needs a lot more growth to make it work.

So we'll see what happens. If there is a Fox trade, I don't personally expect it to have the results folks want it to. If it happens in the off-season in conjunction with some good moves, then I might end up feeling differently. In terms of other deadline moves, I kind of think the team should just stand pat. They've lost a few too many games for me to think a win-now move makes sense. But I also wouldn't want them to sell off Paul or Barnes and forgo the growth their presence facilitates. IF some team is willing to offer something great for Vassell or Johnson, it might make sense to listen. I'm sure it would be a task to sell taking a step back to Vic, but depending on how that deal goes, 2025 cap space might be an option.

As for me, I'll try to be around a bit more often. I still think SpursTalk is really the only forum to go for Spurs discussion. I'm glad to see Teeds is back and that folks seem to be doing well. That said, we're kind of at a point of the year where we're just spinning our wheels. When things actually change, there will be more to talk about outside of the cycle of frustration some folks seem to be in right now.

[Jordan Jackson]

I don’t think Don Harris is lying. He told the truth - but it’s not his truth to tell. The Spurs front office controls the narrative - (All Media). He knows this and shouldn’t have said anything.

He’s probably in trouble.

[DPG21920]

If it’s really a 4 team trade I’d say it’s SA, Sac, Brooklyn and NO.

The streets are saying it’s NO, ATL, SAC and SA and maybe UTA as well (could be another team too at end of day)

[DPG21920]

I don’t believe Spurs Report guy but one little detail where it makes sense with local guys here possibly: Spurs and Kings and the local guys have lots of relationships built up over YEARS.

Don Harris knows Mike Brown (which is great also because for Spurs to like Fox, Brown would undoubtedly have been asked about his work ethic, talent etc.), Alvin Gentry (this is key relationship for information IMO) etc…so someone like him who definitely knows key players within Kings or around Kings stands to reason he could be getting very direct and good info here.


I've seen people say this... but is it confirmed? What does he supposedly do? I know several executives at the Spurs organization, but they wouldn't know shit about a trade because Brian Wright and RC aren't calling up those types of people to fill them in.

There isn't anyone named Harris on the King's organizational roster. https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Sacramento-Kings/25/staff-members

Pre-emptive edit: It's not Harris's brother, it's his Brother-in-Law, and it's apparently Alvin Gentry (found an old Tweet by Harris where me mentions his BIL is Alvin). Alvin is obviously a basketball guy, not some VP of Ticket Sales or some shit... but his official title is "VP of Basketball Engagement". Who knows what this title means and if he'd actually be in the inner circle on a trade, but at least this Harris's brother thing is legit, and you'd think Don wouldn't pump complete BS if it involves his BIL.

Yessir - Gentry is the connection

[KingKev]

Can this thread get to 100 pages without a deal?

[TheBallsbreakers]

Can this thread get to 100 pages without a deal?
Looking like a foregone conclusion.... that it'll get to a hundred without a deal.

[scott]

So a few folks have been reaching out checking if I'm okay. I am fine, and I appreciate you checking. I've just had limited time lately and have been into some other things. I've watched basically every Spurs game with varying degrees of attention.

This season is going about how I would expect it to go. The Spurs are mediocre, and I'm fine with that. This season is like watching plants grow. It's not exciting while it's happening, but it's a necessary part of the process. I think the Spurs are getting some answers for how they can build the team moving forward. Some of those answers are disappointing, but it was important that they are taking the time to verify that. Some are exciting.

My overall stance hasn't changed: The Spurs should be looking at acquiring players for the roles they currently want them to fill and not acquire them for the roles they hope they'll be able to fill in the future. If the Spurs want a second option who can step up in the playoffs, they need to go for older vets who have already shown they're good at that. If they want a guy who can grow with Wemby for the next five years, they should be looking at high draft picks. What I don't think they should do is try to split that difference by paying a premium for young vets who haven't proven anything but who also want max contracts.

As a result, a Fox trade doesn't really appeal right now. I think in any major trade, you have to ask yourself: What is the path to true contention going forward? I don't think Wemby and Fox get you there. I think you're still chasing that star wing, and while the Spurs may still have the assets and flexibility to get them there, I don't think they have the window to take advantage of it. I believe Wemby still needs at the very least another year after this one for seasoning, and so you end up with basically three max contracts and a lot fewer assets to play around that in a league where bloated salaries are getting harder to collect.

So for me, I think the team should be planning for 2026. Hopefully, they have a third year of draft luck and Castle continues to develop. The bigger thing is maintaining a clean cap going into that summer and combining that, the trade assets and the progression of the key youngsters into a roster with an actual window. Yes, that means there is more pain or at least mediocrity ahead, but it's necessary. The Spurs CANNOT afford to mess up the timing of this push. That is how you end up losing stars.

In terms of what kind of opportunities would cause me to want the Spurs to break off the 2026 path, there are only a handful of players. I still think that Curry, Lebron and Durant would be worth it in terms of old vets who can still get it done if put into ideal conditions. I'm excluding obvious prime MVP candidates like Jokic, SGA and Giannis (and yes, I'm glad people are realizing that he's actually a POS -- he's been that since before he got into the NBA). When talking about young PGs who I think could form a real championship foundation with Wemby, the list basically begins and ends with Morant. If you have Ja and Vic, you can go into "fill in the pieces" mode. Short of him, the surrounding team needs a lot more growth to make it work.

So we'll see what happens. If there is a Fox trade, I don't personally expect it to have the results folks want it to. If it happens in the off-season in conjunction with some good moves, then I might end up feeling differently. In terms of other deadline moves, I kind of think the team should just stand pat. They've lost a few too many games for me to think a win-now move makes sense. But I also wouldn't want them to sell off Paul or Barnes and forgo the growth their presence facilitates. IF some team is willing to offer something great for Vassell or Johnson, it might make sense to listen. I'm sure it would be a task to sell taking a step back to Vic, but depending on how that deal goes, 2025 cap space might be an option.

As for me, I'll try to be around a bit more often. I still think SpursTalk is really the only forum to go for Spurs discussion. I'm glad to see Teeds is back and that folks seem to be doing well. That said, we're kind of at a point of the year where we're just spinning our wheels. When things actually change, there will be more to talk about outside of the cycle of frustration some folks seem to be in right now.


Glad you are doing well and it's great to see you back! Was thinking of you while Middleton was showing out.

Also, I still strongly disagree with the direction you see, but that's what makes the discussion fun.

I do find it interesting that you bring up Ja as the guy you'd break form for, since I actually think they're the closest comp to each other. Fox is slightly better today than Ja, Ja is slightly ahead of where Fox was at the same age, Fox is only 20 months older. So, that's an interesting proposition to me. They have some slightly different strengths, but have the same weaknesses (namely, 3P%)

https://i.postimg.cc/MHLPxFxk/JaFox.png

[Robz4000]

So a few folks have been reaching out checking if I'm okay. I am fine, and I appreciate you checking. I've just had limited time lately and have been into some other things. I've watched basically every Spurs game with varying degrees of attention.

This season is going about how I would expect it to go. The Spurs are mediocre, and I'm fine with that. This season is like watching plants grow. It's not exciting while it's happening, but it's a necessary part of the process. I think the Spurs are getting some answers for how they can build the team moving forward. Some of those answers are disappointing, but it was important that they are taking the time to verify that. Some are exciting.

My overall stance hasn't changed: The Spurs should be looking at acquiring players for the roles they currently want them to fill and not acquire them for the roles they hope they'll be able to fill in the future. If the Spurs want a second option who can step up in the playoffs, they need to go for older vets who have already shown they're good at that. If they want a guy who can grow with Wemby for the next five years, they should be looking at high draft picks. What I don't think they should do is try to split that difference by paying a premium for young vets who haven't proven anything but who also want max contracts.

As a result, a Fox trade doesn't really appeal right now. I think in any major trade, you have to ask yourself: What is the path to true contention going forward? I don't think Wemby and Fox get you there. I think you're still chasing that star wing, and while the Spurs may still have the assets and flexibility to get them there, I don't think they have the window to take advantage of it. I believe Wemby still needs at the very least another year after this one for seasoning, and so you end up with basically three max contracts and a lot fewer assets to play around that in a league where bloated salaries are getting harder to collect.

So for me, I think the team should be planning for 2026. Hopefully, they have a third year of draft luck and Castle continues to develop. The bigger thing is maintaining a clean cap going into that summer and combining that, the trade assets and the progression of the key youngsters into a roster with an actual window. Yes, that means there is more pain or at least mediocrity ahead, but it's necessary. The Spurs CANNOT afford to mess up the timing of this push. That is how you end up losing stars.

In terms of what kind of opportunities would cause me to want the Spurs to break off the 2026 path, there are only a handful of players. I still think that Curry, Lebron and Durant would be worth it in terms of old vets who can still get it done if put into ideal conditions. I'm excluding obvious prime MVP candidates like Jokic, SGA and Giannis (and yes, I'm glad people are realizing that he's actually a POS -- he's been that since before he got into the NBA). When talking about young PGs who I think could form a real championship foundation with Wemby, the list basically begins and ends with Morant. If you have Ja and Vic, you can go into "fill in the pieces" mode. Short of him, the surrounding team needs a lot more growth to make it work.

So we'll see what happens. If there is a Fox trade, I don't personally expect it to have the results folks want it to. If it happens in the off-season in conjunction with some good moves, then I might end up feeling differently. In terms of other deadline moves, I kind of think the team should just stand pat. They've lost a few too many games for me to think a win-now move makes sense. But I also wouldn't want them to sell off Paul or Barnes and forgo the growth their presence facilitates. IF some team is willing to offer something great for Vassell or Johnson, it might make sense to listen. I'm sure it would be a task to sell taking a step back to Vic, but depending on how that deal goes, 2025 cap space might be an option.

As for me, I'll try to be around a bit more often. I still think SpursTalk is really the only forum to go for Spurs discussion. I'm glad to see Teeds is back and that folks seem to be doing well. That said, we're kind of at a point of the year where we're just spinning our wheels. When things actually change, there will be more to talk about outside of the cycle of frustration some folks seem to be in right now.

Glad to hear you're doing alright :tu. Pretty much my sentiments tbh.

[benefactor]

Progression of key youngsters? Don't you mean just Castle? None of these other players are worth keeping on this roster outside of him.

[Dejounte]

All players available tonight. Meaning no trade happening any time soon. Unfortunately.

[stephen jackson]

All players available tonight. Meaning no trade happening any time soon. Unfortunately.
We gonna be waiting till Thursday

[rascal]

Meanwhile on the kings subreddit:

saw a great trade proposal. Knocked my socks off

Kings receive: Trae, Vassell, 2FRP from Spurs
Hawks receive: Stephon Castle, Kevin Huerter, 2FRP from Spurs
Spurs receive: Fox, Dyson Daniels

https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/s/tXV1GMyGf4

i think they believe Fox is the best player in the nba or something

Spurs over pay here

[scott]

Digging in a little more on this Ja v Fox thing (and this isn't meant to start an argument with Chinook, though I'd appreciate and enjoy the debate) because I think if you polled 10 random Spurs fans off the street, 9 of them would probably say they prefer Ja pretty quickly, but I think that has more to do with not being as familiar with Fox, in large part because he plays in freakin' Sacramento.

Like I said above, they are about 20 months apart. Fox has 1.5 years left on his rookie extension, whereas Ja has 3.5 years left. Both guys got 25% max rookie extensions.

Both have elite athleticism in certain areas. Fox with his speed and quickness, and Ja with his explosiveness and leaping ability. Ja's game is certainly more electric, but is it more effective?

Both players are similar in scoring talent, both are good rebounders for their size (Fox is averaging 5spg this season - which is higher than his career average; Ja at 4.2 - which is lower than his career average). Both guys do a decent job playmaking and getting assists, though they aren't elite setup men the way someone like Trae or CP3 are (though Ja is a little better, averaging about 1apg more this season and throughout his career). Fox takes better care of the basketball, averaging about 0.7 TO/gm less than Morant for his career and 1.2 fewer this season.

Defensively, neither guy is a stopper but both can hold their own. Both have good event creation numbers, though Fox is very good at creating steals (he led the league last season).

Their offensive games both rely on taking advantage of their athleticism to get to the rim and generate some nice mid-range game. Their career FG%s are almost identical, .471 for Fox, .470 for Morant. Fox .s .522 in 2P%, while Morant is .517. Neither are sharp shooters, but they aren't guys that opposing teams are going to leave open and dare to shoot 3s. Fox's is a career .333 3P shooter, with approximately 27% of his shots coming from 3 in terms of shot diet, though that has crept up the last few seasons and is at 32% this season. Morant is a career .317 3P shooter, with 24% of his shots coming from 3, though again that has crept up the last few seasons and is at 31%. Both guys do a good job getting to the line, about 6 FTA/gm.

If I showed you these two charts below I think most people would have a really hard time trying to identify which player is Fox and which is Morant (granted, this charts don't really tell you too much other than some high level information).

https://i.postimg.cc/SR7ZY7BR/fox-talents.png
https://i.postimg.cc/zX82Z6hg/morant-talents.png

Ultimately, I think Fox and Morant are one of the best comps for each other in the league. If you like Morant, you'd presumably like Fox. There has been a lot of asking aloud by folks here and elsewhere whether "Fox is that good" or "is he worth a Max". In my mind, he's unquestionably a Top 25-30 guy in the league (and so is Morant). And to that point, he's 22nd in the league in DARKO DPM, 31st in CraftedPlusMinus, 22nd in LEBRON WAR, 44th in LEBRON, 19th on the Ringer's Top Players list and their Trade Value Rankings, #26 in ESPN's preseason best players list, #27 in CBS's preseason best players list.

The last thing I'll say about Fox versus Morant are two pretty critical points, IMO: 1) Fox is available, Ja is not and may never be. 2) Fox has proven to be more durable from an injury perspective and certainly from an off-the-court drama POV. I think that matters here as well.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.

[BatManu20]

Can this thread get to 100 pages without a deal?

Easily. This thread will hit triple-digits before the weekend is over.

I think if anything gets done, it’ll be much closer to the deadline. Makes sense for Sacto to drag it out as long as possible to put the pressure on the Spurs in hopes that they panic and reluctantly add a player or pick that they didn’t want to originally if this thing comes down to the wire.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fox is extremely underrated. The main reason is cause he plays for the Kings. In the 23/24 season he was in the 97th percentile when it comes to finishing at the rim, yet his shot quality was one of the worst. Add to that that Fox is left handed. That is actually the ideal pairing for a right handed big man. The problem: Sabonis is also left handed, so they ran into each other quite a lot, since they both like to operate on the same side of the floor.

Having Sabonis as your rim protector with Keegan Murray as your only wing defender doesn't do him any favors neither. Add to that that he's actually coasting this season, while putting up these numbers. There's a good chance that Fox would absolutely explode on the Spurs and have a huge jump in efficiency on both ends, due to being a better roster fit.

[mo7888]

Honestly, between Ja and Fox, I'd prefer Fox, but it's razor close. Ja is more explosive and Fox is a little quicker. I'd trust Fox hitting a big 3 more than I would Ja. Lastly, being a better citizen is important in this locker room when you're the #2 to Wemby's #1 and I doubt Ja would see himself as a #2, which could cause drama that we don't need.

[Mr. Body]

Fox is extremely underrated. The main reason is cause he plays for the Kings. In the 23/24 season he was in the 97th percentile when it comes to finishing at the rim, yet his shot quality was one of the worst. Add to that that Fox is left handed. That is actually the ideal pairing for a right handed big man. The problem: Sabonis is also left handed, so they ran into each other quite a lot, since they both like to operate on the same side of the floor.

Having Sabonis as your rim protector with Keegan Murray as your only wing defender doesn't do him any favors neither. Add to that that he's actually coasting this season, while putting up these numbers. There's a good chance that Fox would absolutely explode on the Spurs and have a huge jump in efficiency on both ends, due to being a better roster fit.

He's not coasting this season. He actually was trying to get All-NBA again, because he's motivated to get the max he can. He just failed at it and is now trying to force the second best option before he loses even more money in FA after next season.

I mean, you can say a lot of things, but he definitely wasn't coasting this season. That's just fantasy. And he's not a top 20 player, either, or else he'd be in the conversation for All-Star and he's not even an afterthought.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's not coasting this season. He actually was trying to get All-NBA again, because he's motivated to get the max he can. He just failed at it and is now trying to force the second best option before he loses even more money in FA after next season.

I mean, you can say a lot of things, but he definitely wasn't coasting this season. That's just fantasy. And he's not a top 20 player, either, or else he'd be in the conversation for All-Star and he's not even an afterthought.

are you watching the games? Cause Kings fans (who obviously watch a lot more Kings games than you) are all saying he looks disengaged at times and just turns it on in the 4th. So according to them he is in fact coasting.

[mo7888]

are you watching the games? Cause Kings fans (who obviously watch a lot more Kings games than you) are all saying he looks disengaged at times and just turns it on in the 4th. So according to them he is in fact coasting.

Pretty much fact. When he saw that the team around him wasn't good enough to help his super max push he started coasting. He needs a change of scenery.

[RC_Drunkford]

As Chinook pointed out, the 2026 offseason is a huge factor. The Spurs have aligned their contracts to have maximum cap space in 2026. Available free agents should be KD and JJJ among others. While star players don't really hit free agency anymore, these 2 most likely will. Why? Cause Phoenix sucks and JJJ is on a decreasing contract, making an extension impossible if he wants max money.

But even if Fox is on a max contract by then, they can still sign another max player. The only thing would be that the additions in the 2025 offseason would have to sign 1-year deals to keep the flexibility. So I don't see any issues in trading for Fox, if we don't give up too much.

Another thing that has been mentioned by some cap experts is that if the Spurs trade for Fox now, they could renegotiate his contract and extend him. Like Utah did with Markkannen. I think that would actually lower his salary down the line if I'm not wrong.

[Mr. Body]

are you watching the games? Cause Kings fans (who obviously watch a lot more Kings games than you) are all saying he looks disengaged at times and just turns it on in the 4th. So according to them he is in fact coasting.

Man, literally he was going for All-NBA because that's how he can get his super-max. When it was clear he couldn't get it (because he's not that player and may even be declining) and the Kings were shy about giving him major money he started pouting and trying to shove his way out. Dude is motivated by money and I don't know how much clearer that can be.

And claiming that he's coasting and will 'turn it on' once he goes to another team is just wild. Pure beta vibes -- oh, yeah, the guy left his wife for me, he's definitely going to stay with me forever. A person shows you who they are.

But I don't think he's coasting, he's just a good small scoring guard whose athleticism may be declining. Most charitably, you can say DDR is getting in his way, but nevertheless it's clear Sabonis is by far the actually good player on the team.

[Spurs Homer]

Anyone know what channel for tonights game? (Austin tv)

ballys listings arent showing it….neither 51 kbvo….tnt- nope…

trying to set dvr recording

[RC_Drunkford]

Man, literally he was going for All-NBA because that's how he can get his super-max. When it was clear he couldn't get it (because he's not that player and may even be declining) and the Kings were shy about giving him major money he started pouting and trying to shove his way out. Dude is motivated by money and I don't know how much clearer that can be.

And claiming that he's coasting and will 'turn it on' once he goes to another team is just wild. Pure beta vibes -- oh, yeah, the guy left his wife for me, he's definitely going to stay with me forever. A person shows you who they are.

But I don't think he's coasting, he's just a good small scoring guard whose athleticism may be declining. Most charitably, you can say DDR is getting in his way, but nevertheless it's clear Sabonis is by far the actually good player on the team.

:lol @ his athleticism is declining at 27. Your IQ never disappoints

[baseline bum]

Man, literally he was going for All-NBA because that's how he can get his super-max. When it was clear he couldn't get it (because he's not that player and may even be declining) and the Kings were shy about giving him major money he started pouting and trying to shove his way out. Dude is motivated by money and I don't know how much clearer that can be.

And claiming that he's coasting and will 'turn it on' once he goes to another team is just wild. Pure beta vibes -- oh, yeah, the guy left his wife for me, he's definitely going to stay with me forever. A person shows you who they are.

But I don't think he's coasting, he's just a good small scoring guard whose athleticism may be declining. Most charitably, you can say DDR is getting in his way, but nevertheless it's clear Sabonis is by far the actually good player on the team.

They can't all be winners like Zach Collins

[SpursBills]

Still remember years ago when Ja first broke out when there was beef between Fox and Amin Elhassan for these comments:
https://streamable.com/7tchmr (https://streamable.com/7tchmr)

Fox is definitely underrated, especially his impact over the last few years. Here's his career arc compared to "superstar" Devin Booker by age:
https://i.postimg.cc/8kbM3m1r/Fox-Castle.png

The fit with Castle is tricky, but I wonder if the plan is to bring along Castle's development slowly over the next 5-6 years taking on more primary responsibilities over time, then switching to the main guy as Fox's max extension either runs out or has just a couple years left - by that time they'll be able to re-assess Fox's performance relatively to his contract and have an idea of either his next contract or whether they need to trade him.

EDIT:
That said, EPM actually has Fox much lower both this season and career-wise compared to guys like Booker and Ja, so there is definitely some argument to be made that he's worse than what DPM would suggest.

[timtonymanu]

Mrs. Body said we would hate the Spurs being good again but any chance to improve this team through all the speculation and she’s always like “well does this person impact winning” or some other bullshit like that. Just keep quiet, Mrs. body, and let the moves play out.

I’m sure you’ll be all “son of a bitch, I’m in” when the spurs get another predator.

[mo7888]

I'll add that I think Simmons ranking of Fox as a top 20 player is fairly accurate. The only two guys behind him on that that I'd put above him are Franz and Cunningham and I'd probably put Booker behind him.

[Spurminator]

And he's not a top 20 player, either, or else he'd be in the conversation for All-Star and he's not even an afterthought.

All Star picks is your standard, really? :lol

[Dejounte]

Mrs. Body said we would hate the Spurs being good again but any chance to improve this team through all the speculation and she’s always like “well does this person impact winning” or some other bullshit like that. Just keep quiet, Mrs. body, and let the moves play out.

I’m sure you’ll be all “son of a bitch, I’m in” when the spurs get another predator.
His “me vs everybody else” mentality is exhausting. How could someone be so out of touch and lack so much self awareness is beyond me. His head is so far up his ass that it’s no wonder he can’t read his own takes and realize how dumb he is.

now he’s gonna come back with the group think bullshit because everyone’s bullying him for his stupid takes. Maybe don’t come out with stupid takes and we won’t clown you.

[RC_Drunkford]

the gap between a Fox, Trae Young, Ja Morant or Devin Booker is very very slim. In fact you could make the argument that if Ja and Fox switched teams, their records would still be the same. That's exactly why I'm saying he's underrated. People view him as some type of lesser PG when he's head and shoulders with all the other top PGs in the league.

[benefactor]

Spurs fan: "We'll never get anyone! Star players hate SA!"

Also Spurs fan: "This star player isn't good enough! Let's wait for another one!"

[RC_Drunkford]

Fox is as good as a fit that you could ask for. The only downside is that his 3-point percentage should be 3-4% higher. That's it. And it might even go up playing next to Wemby.

[KingKev]

They can't all be winners like Zach Collins

Objectively

[Kevin]

I don’t blame the Spurs if they want to wait until summer and see how the lottery shakes out. Wemby/Flagg/Fox would be god like in three years.

[Mal]

Just adding something, to make 100 pages earlier

[benefactor]

:lol declining

Mr. Boomer is pulling out all the stops now

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIqHlek33I0

Discussion on the fit with Wemby

[Degoat]

The speed of Fox would be awesome to see on a spurs court with wemby, Castle, and Sochan

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbmpfTc9RRQ

This is a two hour Pod, but the first 30 minutes are mostly Fox-> Spurs but they get into a lot of Fox in general and other competing possibilities.

[scott]

And here is a fun reddit thread on the Kings sub on all the trades Monte McNair has made in SAC: https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1ifga68/with_the_upcoming_trade_deadline_coming_up_i_went/

You think some of us are hard on PATFO? SAC fans (justifiably) almost universally hate their FO :lol

[spurs10]

Anyone know what channel for tonights game? (Austin tv)

ballys listings arent showing it….neither 51 kbvo….tnt- nope…

trying to set dvr recording It's on KENS which I have no clue what that channel is on Directv. Seems I remember a game on KENS being on 51 KBVO before, but it isn't listed. I did see it on ROKU at 7:30..I might try that if it isn't on cable.

[scott]

Per Vecenie Podcast: Fox is 3rd in the league in efficiency on scoring off ball-screens. Only Brunson and Garland ahead of him.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs are also a bottom 5 driving team. Fox would open up all kind of lanes. Our offense would be virtually unstoppable. You can break out all the old Tony Parker sets for him.

Btw I don't think people understand that he's a pretty good defender for a PG.

[dbestpro]

The speed of Fox would be awesome to see on a spurs court with wemby, Castle, and Sochan

You were good until you added Sochan.

[Spurs Homer]

It's on KENS which I have no clue what that channel is on Directv. Seems I remember a game on KENS being on 51 KBVO before, but it isn't listed. I did see it on ROKU at 7:30..I might try that if it isn't on cable.

thanks…

maybe kbvo listings are inaccurate…ill tune in at gametime on both 51 and the ballys to see if one is airing it

[spurs10]

thanks…

maybe kbvo listings are inaccurate…ill tune in at gametime on both 51 and the ballys to see if one is airing it It's definitely on ROKU but you have to subscribe to Paramount +. You can get free trial and then drop it. I subscribe to Paramount+ through Amazon Prime and saw 'KENS on Paramount+' on there. Will try that if it's not on cable. I never watch the games that way, but might start tonight. Good luck.

[scott]

Also from Vecenie podcast: "San Antonio is the spot Fox wants to get to, this has not been a secret in league circles for awhile, frankly. If you talk to people around the league, San Antonio would always come up as a De'Aaron Fox landing spot. I've been saying for the last 6 months, Klutch has been trying to get a point guard to San Antonio to pair with Wemby."

[scott]

Also Vecenie: "Castle is the guy from this class who I believe in most from this class, but not because he's a point guard. It's because it's because he's a problem solving wing who will be an awesome defender and will continue to develop as a shooter and just makes all these awesome winning plays, all the time." Sam then goes into all of the Wowy Combination stats of Castle + other PGs/without, things I've posted about here in the past.

Basically, Sam sees it the way I do: Castle is not the Spurs point guard of the future. He's the Spurs secondary ball handler of the future who you will always want with a point guard, long term.

Sam would move Sochan in the deal to get Fox.

[mo7888]

Also Vecenie: "Castle is the guy from this class who I believe in most from this class, but not because he's a point guard. It's because it's because he's a problem solving wing who will be an awesome defender and will continue to develop as a shooter and just makes all these awesome winning plays, all the time." Sam then goes into all of the Wowy Combination stats of Castle + other PGs/without, things I've posted about here in the past.

Basically, Sam sees it the way I do: Castle is not the Spurs point guard of the future. He's the Spurs secondary ball handler of the future who you will always want with a point guard, long term.

Sam would move Sochan in the deal to get Fox.

Id move Sochan in that trade too...in half a heartbeat...he won't fit with Fox and Castle

[KingKev]

Also Vecenie: "Castle is the guy from this class who I believe in most from this class, but not because he's a point guard. It's because it's because he's a problem solving wing who will be an awesome defender and will continue to develop as a shooter and just makes all these awesome winning plays, all the time." Sam then goes into all of the Wowy Combination stats of Castle + other PGs/without, things I've posted about here in the past.

Basically, Sam sees it the way I do: Castle is not the Spurs point guard of the future. He's the Spurs secondary ball handler of the future who you will always want with a point guard, long term.

Sam would move Sochan in the deal to get Fox.

I like when the media thinks like us.

Also, can we put to death the narrative Klutch hates us.

[scott]

Id move Sochan in that trade too...in half a heartbeat...he won't fit with Fox and Castle

I kind of like the idea of Sochan as a bench guy, but IDK how he'll adapt to that role and if the contract extension that fits with that role will be acceptable to him, so I wouldn't mind moving him too.

I calculated that we could have $53MM of cap room in the Summer of 2026 if we traded Vassell for Fox, moved off Keldon, picked one FRP in the top 10 in each of the next two drafts, and extended Jeremy at $20MM/year. If we could move him and maybe pickup someone with 1 year left on their deal, then we would really be cooking in that Summer of 2026.

Vassell going out and Fox coming in really actually fits quite nicely with this Summer 2026 cap space plan, if that is folk's concern.

[scott]

I like when the media thinks like us.

Also, can we put to death the narrative Klutch hates us.

Yeah, Sensitive Redheaded Daywalking Spurs Fan thinks that everyone hates us. Klutch hates us, ESPN hates us, David Stern hated us, Adam Silver hates us... when in reality, it's probably more like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqF_A6bsyEw

[scott]

Another tidbit... Jason Timpf basically says that if you said Spurs could get a Shai or another top 5 guy, then it's worth passing up on a guy like Fox, but the drop off between the 10-12th best player in the NBA is substantially smaller than the drop off between the Top 5 guys and the 10-12th best player. Basically how much better of a player can the Spurs reasonably get by waiting for someone else. I think this is also a good point... some folks like to say that "Fox isn't even that good... Luka is a FA in 2026", but Luka isn't going to actually be a FA. Passing up Fox to wait for Luka is like passing up a job that pays you $500k/yr because you're holding out for Apple to call you and offer you the CEO position.

[BatManu20]

Anyone waiting for Luka in 2026 is a dumbass and is kidding themselves. It's not happening. Fox is our best bet and I'm confident he's going to be a Spur tbh. Just a matter of what we're losing in the process.

[DPG21920]

Also Vecenie: "Castle is the guy from this class who I believe in most from this class, but not because he's a point guard. It's because it's because he's a problem solving wing who will be an awesome defender and will continue to develop as a shooter and just makes all these awesome winning plays, all the time." Sam then goes into all of the Wowy Combination stats of Castle + other PGs/without, things I've posted about here in the past.

Basically, Sam sees it the way I do: Castle is not the Spurs point guard of the future. He's the Spurs secondary ball handler of the future who you will always want with a point guard, long term.

Sam would move Sochan in the deal to get Fox.

Castle is Derrick White ish