Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[CGD]

Atl higher cost so maybe not financially. San Antonio is globally recognized for its culinary scene ...maybe more high end restaurants in atl but not necessarily unique flavors

Eh… not sure if serious….

[ismael-robert]

Yep. United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) has only recognized 2 cities in USA n we one

[spursparker9]

DJ the real triple double guy with positive impact

[KingKev]

Career night for DJ wowzers.

Really shooting the 3ball well this year.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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36 (career high) 4 rebounds 9 assist 6 steals 5 3PM. First Hawk with 35 and 5 steals since Dominique in 91.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Pop is going to sit our guys when we play the Hawks and I am going to be pissed!

[Atl Spur]

Career night for DJ wowzers.

Really shooting the 3ball well this year.

Great news for spurs! That price tag to resign / extend is going to be crazy; if he signs elsewhere they’re f****d!! Keep on playing Mr.DJ :)

[Atl Spur]

My boys here are giddy as little school girls not looking at big picture until the poop hits the fan��

[RC_Drunkford]

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36 (career high) 4 rebounds 9 assist 6 steals 5 3PM. First Hawk with 35 and 5 steals since Dominique in 91.

B-b-b-but DJ and Trae Young won't fit together :lmao

[mystargtr34]

Watched a bit of this game and Murray gives this Hawks team alot of swagger.

Also they ran some nice sets with Murray on the ball and Trae off the ball. The ease which Trae was able to get open for 3 using screens like Steph Curry was impressive, they need to do that a lot more. Hardly saw Trae do that before this season.

Murray was a beast playing the passing lanes. And in all aspects really.

Can see Murray signing with the Lakers when he’s a FA. Can also see Trae leaving. Those unprotected picks have some real potential.

[mystargtr34]

Looking at Murray’s contract and man that contract is Keldon level value. $16m this year and $17m next. 5th highest paid Hawk this year and 6th highest next year when Hunters extension kicks in :lol. Young, Capela, Collins, Bogdanovic all on more $ than Murray.

[poopbox]

Don't worry guys we got tre jones and a dude who can't keep his dick in his pants...we will be fine at pg:lol

[exstatic]

B-b-b-but DJ and Trae Young won't fit together :lmao

Not even the biggest DJ homer would predict that he would suddenly shoot 40% from long on 6 attempts per game. Literally out of the blue. If he shoots his normal until now 33-34%, maybe it doesn’t work out. It’s also pretty early.

[The Truth #6]

It’s still a good trade for us. If anything it makes future trades possibly more enticing. “The Spurs really develop their players “, et cetera. Whatever. Let DJ be. Still happy he’s off the team. Keldon is a way better leader.

[Dverde]

Always thought this was a good fit for DJ. I just don’t think they are going to win any championships. East is much better nowadays.

[Rocalcio]

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36 (career high) 4 rebounds 9 assist 6 steals 5 3PM. First Hawk with 35 and 5 steals since Dominique in 91.

He's so pathetic with his social media publications...

[John B]

Over the Knicks :lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

Not even the biggest DJ homer would predict that he would suddenly shoot 40% from long on 6 attempts per game. Literally out of the blue. If he shoots his normal until now 33-34%, maybe it doesn’t work out. It’s also pretty early.

lol keep making excuses. I been on record saying he will up his percentage from shooting 34%. Like this is some sort of miracle to increase efficiency by 6% on a better team

[Texas_Ranger]

most cringe guy in the league. i bet he'd suck his own dick if he could.

[Atl Spur]

lol keep making excuses. I been on record saying he will up his percentage from shooting 34%. Like this is some sort of miracle to increase efficiency by 6% on a better team

Lol…….you’re on record?? Cool story

[lefty]

most cringe guy in the league. i bet he'd suck his own dick if he could.
While wiping Kawhi's ass?

Shit is getting grahic

[exstatic]

lol keep making excuses. I been on record saying he will up his percentage from shooting 34%. Like this is some sort of miracle to increase efficiency by 6% on a better team

Right, because that happens every fucking day, guys go from below league average to elite, while increasing their attempts by almost 50%. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[RC_Drunkford]

Right, because that happens every fucking day, guys go from below league average to elite, while increasing their attempts by almost 50%. Nothing to see here. Move along.

well maybe you know this guy Keldon Johnson who did the exact same thing one year prior :lol

[KingKev]

DJ could fail in ATL and I still rock with him heavy.

Nice to see him playing so well.

[rjv]

Always thought this was a good fit for DJ. I just don’t think they are going to win any championships. East is much better nowadays.

the freak isn't going to lose to the hawks

[The Truth #6]

He seems like a child that needs constant unconditional love.

He’s a hardworking skilled player. But I don’t think he could be part of the Beautiful Game type of approach.

[poopbox]

It’s still a good trade for us. If anything it makes future trades possibly more enticing. “The Spurs really develop their players “, et cetera. Whatever. Let DJ be. Still happy he’s off the team. Keldon is a way better leader.

We legit might not see half of the picks we traded him for. That Hornets pick is top 16 protected meaning all they have to do is not make the playoffs. The pick swap is only useful if the hawks are actually worse than us in 2026. So we might only get the 2025 and 2027 unprotected hawks picks. Maybe the hawks laker themselves in one of those years tbh.

[The Truth #6]

We legit might not see half of the picks we traded him for. That Hornets pick is top 16 protected meaning all they have to do is not make the playoffs. The pick swap is only useful if the hawks are actually worse than us in 2026. So we might only get the 2025 and 2027 unprotected hawks picks. Maybe the hawks laker themselves in one of those years tbh.

It’s a valid point. Nothing guaranteed. But it’s paved the way for Devin and Keldon to thrive, two players that won’t cause drama (assuming their gym shorts don’t malfunction et cetera). And DJ just seems like a diva in the making so it’s hard for me to retroactively wish he was still here.

[KingKev]

It’s a valid point. Nothing guaranteed. But it’s paved the way for Devin and Keldon to thrive, two players that won’t cause drama (assuming their gym shorts don’t malfunction et cetera). And DJ just seems like a diva in the making so it’s hard for me to retroactively wish he was still here.

It’s not drama. It's business. You don’t think Keldon might grow resentful when he realizes he is an AS on a value contract and PATFO already let clutch know they don’t value him as a max player for his next extension?

Same situation. I’m not advocating one way or another and DJ could be more mature with shit but this is how the game works.

so if your team isn’t winning, you are taking money off the table out of loyalty (in many cases that loyalty is owed) but you put all this hard work in and now the situation changes that doesn’t make you some ignorant, unloyal person no matter what your up bringing was.

[The Truth #6]

The stuff in Summer League makes me think he has a personality disorder, potentially. But I hear ya about San Antonio and name recognition and business decisions et cetera. We’ll see.

[KingKev]

The stuff in Summer League makes me think he has a personality disorder, potentially. But I hear ya about San Antonio and name recognition and business decisions et cetera. We’ll see.

Managing personalities is never easy, especially when this amount of money is involved.

[The Truth #6]

Managing personalities is never easy, especially when this amount of money is involved.

Fair. And focusing on money in almost all issues related to the NBA is never a bad idea, not to go full Marxist here…

[poopbox]

It’s a valid point. Nothing guaranteed. But it’s paved the way for Devin and Keldon to thrive, two players that won’t cause drama (assuming their gym shorts don’t malfunction et cetera). And DJ just seems like a diva in the making so it’s hard for me to retroactively wish he was still here.

Who is to say they wouldn't have thrived with Murray? I actually think Murray got the short end of the stick.

He was a good soldier and waited behind Parker until he couldn't even consistently score 10 points a game.
He was a good soldier and played his part while Demar, Lamarcus, Patty, and Rudy didn't do shit but jack up a bunch of shots in hopes of getting one last nba payday.
He was a good soldier when Pop refused to play him and Derrick together when he came back from his acl injury for who knows what reason.
They finally give him the keys to the offense and in his one opportunity to be "the guy" he is an all star and played at a fringe all nba level.
And he did all of this not even making 16 million a year. Guys like Beal are making more than 40 mil a year and can't even get their teams to the play in.
Then when his stock is at an all time high the spurs want to talk about an extension...aka a discount..which in business...and that is what every nba team is...a business...is a bad faith conversation. You don't try to talk contract with a person when they are on a meteoric rise because the only reason you would do that is to try and get them for below market value, which they are already playing on a contract WELL below market value. I am sure that was a complete turn off for Dejounte and Klutch. He is already hilariously outperforming his contract and now you trying to get him on another one that unless its anything other than a max, is below market contract. We have to remember that players don't get paid based on made up numbers in our head but they get paid based on how they perform against their peers and Dejounte was definitely performing at a max level, as he is right now for the Hawks.
Then all of a sudden they start touting Primo as the face of the franchise and the guy of the future and they want to make him the point guard. Imagine you Dejounte and you hear all of this and you just made the all star team as a point guard. By the way it turns out that the guy they essentially wanted to replace you with can't keep his dick in his pants. I wonder if this is what Dejounte was talking about when he said the spurs had problems "bigger than basketball"?

I don't get the whole "seems like a Diva" thing. Why? Cause he post some cringe stuff on social media? Other than that what trouble has he been in off the court? What player on the team did he have an issue with? When did he ever NOT play hard for the spurs? When did he ever not show up for some off the court event? I think people don't know what a "diva" is. Pau Gasol is a "diva" cause when he lost his spot to Poeltl he just said trade me or let me go cause I am not getting the minutes I want. Lamarcus Aldridge is a "diva" cause after he had the most team success of his career he asked to be traded cause he wasn't getting to play the way he wanted, and then he did it again when he lost his spot in the starting lineup, he played one game off the bench, complained, and then just went home until he was finally released. Kawhi Leonard is a "diva" cause he said pay me the super max after I only played 9 games and the spurs said no and he said trade me. Outside of some social media quotes what "diva" thing has Dejounte done?

This dude played next to Bryn fucking Forbes, one of the worst players in the league by every metric except shooting wide open 3's, and didn't complain. He should get some sort of award for that alone :lol

[timvp]

Looking at Murray’s contract and man that contract is Keldon level value. $16m this year and $17m next. 5th highest paid Hawk this year and 6th highest next year when Hunters extension kicks in :lol. Young, Capela, Collins, Bogdanovic all on more $ than Murray.

It's amazing that less than a year ago, a lot of Spurs fans were saying it was a bad contract :lol

[R. DeMurre]

There are a lot of amazing things happening. It's amazing that a week ago, Primo was an example of uncanny maturity and high character. The Dejounte/Primo dichotomy reminds me a bit of the Richard Pryor/Bill Cosby situation a few decades ago. Pryor was funny, some said, but too dirty and not a good role model. Bill Cosby, by contrast, was a model citizen and a scholar. It's nearly impossible to judge the character of people you don't know first hand because most secondhand assessments are just rehashed accounts of other secondhand opinions. They ultimately mean next to nothing a good percentage of the time. Hell, it's hard to be spot on sometimes even with first hand experiences. People are tough to figure out.

[rjv]

There are a lot of amazing things happening. It's amazing that a week ago, Primo was an example of uncanny maturity and high character. The Dejounte/Primo dichotomy reminds me a bit of the Richard Pryor/Bill Cosby situation a few decades ago. Pryor was funny, some said, but too dirty and not a good role model. Bill Cosby, by contrast, was a model citizen and a scholar. It's nearly impossible to judge the character of people you don't know first hand because most secondhand assessments are just rehashed accounts of other secondhand opinions. They ultimately mean next to nothing a good percentage of the time. Hell, it's hard sometimes to be spot on sometimes even with first hand experiences. People are tough to figure out.

well, in the case of pryor and cosby, they were both misogynistic d-bags.

[John B]

There are a lot of amazing things happening. It's amazing that a week ago, Primo was an example of uncanny maturity and high character. The Dejounte/Primo dichotomy reminds me a bit of the Richard Pryor/Bill Cosby situation a few decades ago. Pryor was funny, some said, but too dirty and not a good role model. Bill Cosby, by contrast, was a model citizen and a scholar. It's nearly impossible to judge the character of people you don't know first hand because most secondhand assessments are just rehashed accounts of other secondhand opinions. They ultimately mean next to nothing a good percentage of the time. Hell, it's hard sometimes to be spot on sometimes even with first hand experiences. People are tough to figure out.

And Lonnie is J.J. Got it :toast

[Atl Spur]

It's amazing that less than a year ago, a lot of Spurs fans were saying it was a bad contract :lol

It was the cool thing to do I suspect…..

[exstatic]

well maybe you know this guy Keldon Johnson who did the exact same thing one year prior :lol
Year three, when he shot 60% in 17 games as a rook , vs. year SEVEN. People could see that Keldon could shoot. His poor year two was as much an aberration as Dejountes scintillating year seven.

[exstatic]

We legit might not see half of the picks we traded him for. That Hornets pick is top 16 protected meaning all they have to do is not make the playoffs. The pick swap is only useful if the hawks are actually worse than us in 2026. So we might only get the 2025 and 2027 unprotected hawks picks. Maybe the hawks laker themselves in one of those years tbh.

There are three years for us to collect that CHA pick, so I’m pretty sure we’ll pocket it. CHA and ORL have been two of the saddest franchises over the last 10-15 years. Steve Clifford has coached those two for a total of 8 years and made the playoffs 4 times. He’s a really good coach who gets the most out of his guys.

[The Truth #6]

Who is to say they wouldn't have thrived with Murray? I actually think Murray got the short end of the stick.

He was a good soldier and waited behind Parker until he couldn't even consistently score 10 points a game.
He was a good soldier and played his part while Demar, Lamarcus, Patty, and Rudy didn't do shit but jack up a bunch of shots in hopes of getting one last nba payday.
He was a good soldier when Pop refused to play him and Derrick together when he came back from his acl injury for who knows what reason.
They finally give him the keys to the offense and in his one opportunity to be "the guy" he is an all star and played at a fringe all nba level.
And he did all of this not even making 16 million a year. Guys like Beal are making more than 40 mil a year and can't even get their teams to the play in.
Then when his stock is at an all time high the spurs want to talk about an extension...aka a discount..which in business...and that is what every nba team is...a business...is a bad faith conversation. You don't try to talk contract with a person when they are on a meteoric rise because the only reason you would do that is to try and get them for below market value, which they are already playing on a contract WELL below market value. I am sure that was a complete turn off for Dejounte and Klutch. He is already hilariously outperforming his contract and now you trying to get him on another one that unless its anything other than a max, is below market contract. We have to remember that players don't get paid based on made up numbers in our head but they get paid based on how they perform against their peers and Dejounte was definitely performing at a max level, as he is right now for the Hawks.
Then all of a sudden they start touting Primo as the face of the franchise and the guy of the future and they want to make him the point guard. Imagine you Dejounte and you hear all of this and you just made the all star team as a point guard. By the way it turns out that the guy they essentially wanted to replace you with can't keep his dick in his pants. I wonder if this is what Dejounte was talking about when he said the spurs had problems "bigger than basketball"?

I don't get the whole "seems like a Diva" thing. Why? Cause he post some cringe stuff on social media? Other than that what trouble has he been in off the court? What player on the team did he have an issue with? When did he ever NOT play hard for the spurs? When did he ever not show up for some off the court event? I think people don't know what a "diva" is. Pau Gasol is a "diva" cause when he lost his spot to Poeltl he just said trade me or let me go cause I am not getting the minutes I want. Lamarcus Aldridge is a "diva" cause after he had the most team success of his career he asked to be traded cause he wasn't getting to play the way he wanted, and then he did it again when he lost his spot in the starting lineup, he played one game off the bench, complained, and then just went home until he was finally released. Kawhi Leonard is a "diva" cause he said pay me the super max after I only played 9 games and the spurs said no and he said trade me. Outside of some social media quotes what "diva" thing has Dejounte done?

This dude played next to Bryn fucking Forbes, one of the worst players in the league by every metric except shooting wide open 3's, and didn't complain. He should get some sort of award for that alone :lol

I see some of your points. On the court he grinded and was a warrior. Off the court he was a diva and it turned me off.

Back to on the court stuff. I don’t see him getting a short stick overall. Pop started him early over Parker and may have led to Parker not retiring here. He got better each year. He waa given room to grow. But at some point they didn’t trust him to be the face of the franchise. They didn’t even trust him to be in HEB commercials. But is that getting slighted or they just didn’t like his vibe? In the end both sides won, which is a rare thing.

You brought up a great point about “problems bigger than basketball”. Hard to say then but sounds prophetic now.

[John B]

I see some of your points. On the court he grinded and was a warrior. Off the court he was a diva and it turned me off.

Back to on the court stuff. I don’t see him getting a short stick overall. Pop started him early over Parker and may have led to Parker not retiring here. He got better each year. He waa given room to grow. But at some point they didn’t trust him to be the face of the franchise. They didn’t even trust him to be in HEB commercials. But is that getting slighted or they just didn’t like his vibe? In the end both sides won, which is a rare thing.

You brought up a great point about “problems bigger than basketball”. Hard to say then but sounds prophetic now.

I agree. If ever DJ was favored over Derrick who was the better PG and facilitator of the two. People complains of Pop egalitarian system, and that they are not getting recognition by the media. Well maybe if they start putting in W’s. Just ask the Big 3 who could’ve inflated stats playing elsewhere but I wonder if they would’ve gotten 4-5 rings. Well maybe Timmy in a big market team who could’ve paired him with another Tier 1 player(s) year after year, but that’s for another thread.

[RC_Drunkford]

Year three, when he shot 60% in 17 games as a rook , vs. year SEVEN. People could see that Keldon could shoot. His poor year two was as much an aberration as Dejountes scintillating year seven.

the fuck you talkin about, stop twisting things. KJ shot 33.1% in year 2 on 2.6 attempts, than shot 40% on 5.3 attempts from 3. Fuck outtahere

[poopbox]

I see some of your points. On the court he grinded and was a warrior. Off the court he was a diva and it turned me off.

Back to on the court stuff. I don’t see him getting a short stick overall. Pop started him early over Parker and may have led to Parker not retiring here. He got better each year. He waa given room to grow. But at some point they didn’t trust him to be the face of the franchise. They didn’t even trust him to be in HEB commercials. But is that getting slighted or they just didn’t like his vibe? In the end both sides won, which is a rare thing.

You brought up a great point about “problems bigger than basketball”. Hard to say then but sounds prophetic now.

I don't really get him being a "diva" off the court. Other than angsty stuff 20 year old's post on they social media isn't enough for me to label someone as a "diva".

[KingKev]

DJ was ready and willing to stay here for max money on his next deal… probably more loyal than he needed to be.

[jjspur]

It’s a valid point. Nothing guaranteed. But it’s paved the way for Devin and Keldon to thrive, two players that won’t cause drama (assuming their gym shorts don’t malfunction et cetera). And DJ just seems like a diva in the making so it’s hard for me to retroactively wish he was still here.

My guess is he plays about as well as he did here last year which is fine but it will get to his diva head. At that point he becomes a bit of a head case and then complains and gets traded to the knicks because he wants 40 million plus per year like super stars get - which the hawks probably can't afford along with the other large contracts on the team. Don't get me wrong , he's good he just isn't 40 million plus good and his is still a diva.

[The Truth #6]

I don't really get him being a "diva" off the court. Other than angsty stuff 20 year old's post on they social media isn't enough for me to label someone as a "diva".

I could just be older than you. No big deal. This is not a hill I’m going to die on.

[The Truth #6]

DJ was ready and willing to stay here for max money on his next deal… probably more loyal than he needed to be.

I agree he would have stayed for a max, but I don’t see that max anywhere else, but maybe in a few years. He is improving. To me, if we kept him he is an upgrade over DDR in turns of efficacy, yes, but still puts as around a play in to 7th round team. That’s my gut feeling.

Now, prioritizing Primo was something I was always against, so I don’t see it as a dichotomy though Dejounte likely saw it that way, comparing himself to this con artist with loose gym shorts.

[KingKev]

8 threes tonight and 39 points in a losing effort.

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/t0KRoRB7smk

[KingKev]

https://youtu.be/t0KRoRB7smk

He’s wildin’ out but you can’t deny the talent is there.

[RC_Drunkford]

DJ was holding the Spurs back...from being a top 3 worst team in the NBA :lol

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/t0KRoRB7smk

i think this is what stirred it up

https://twitter.com/ziyanm_/status/1596355092403621889?s=

[CGD]

DJ sonning Green lol

[Gorepopovich]

DJ's real personality. :spin

[djohn2oo8]

DJ sonning Green lol
Green getting the W.

[pookenstein]

Murray and Young taking 52 of Atlantas 82 shots...

[Leetonidas]

Talking all that shit and combining for 83 points only to choke and lose to the worst team in the league :lmao

[Harry Callahan]

Why is DJM becoming more of a punk? Is the Atlanta coach McMillan letting the chippy stuff go because he's a Seattle guy too?

I think the Atlanta "honeymoon" will be short lived with the player egos clashing.

[KingKev]

DJM is a great example of where Spurs culture (Pop mostky) can make or break guys careers.

I wish DJ could have had Tim, Tony, Manu around him.

This team needs a damn cornerstone and all of a sudden our development of guys like Keldon, DJ, Vassell and maybe Sochan etc etc can repatriate competitive basketball.

[exstatic]

DJM is a great example of where Spurs culture (Pop mostky) can make or break guys careers.

I wish DJ could have had Tim, Tony, Manu around him.

This team needs a damn cornerstone and all of a sudden our development of guys like Keldon, DJ, Vassell and maybe Sochan etc etc can repatriate competitive basketball.
DJ played two years with Manu and Tony. He’s still a punk.

[John B]

DJ played two years with Manu and Tony. He’s still a punk.

That’s his true character showing up, suppressed when he was here in Spurs.

[MarCowMar]

DJM is a great example of where Spurs culture (Pop mostky) can make or break guys careers.

I wish DJ could have had Tim, Tony, Manu around him.

This team needs a damn cornerstone and all of a sudden our development of guys like Keldon, DJ, Vassell and maybe Sochan etc etc can repatriate competitive basketball.

It's truly astonishing how the people around you can change your trajectory.

I would argue though that Murray's antics here are not inherently destructive. What he's doing though is wasting the antics during a nothing game that will give him a reputation and bring attention from the refs.

Contrast this with Robert Horry's foul on Nash in the playoffs. That is probably the biggest bang-for-the-buck dirty move in NBA history. No matter how much hindsight is given, no one would ever tell Horry not to commit that foul in that exact manner again.

Having a guy that is capable of doing stuff like this is not a bad thing as long as he's the one that maintains control. Unfortunately for Murray, he is an Instagram suckling whose brain is on auto-pilot and therefore has to react to all pettiness indiscriminately. Some LSD treatment would probably allow him to focus on the right things and take it to the next level.

[exstatic]

I really think that if DJ hadn’t been drafted by the Spurs, he’d be out of the league now, or at best, someone’s 12th man. He was so fucking awful when he got here. Couldn’t shoot, and could barely dribble.

[daslicer]

Why is DJM becoming more of a punk? Is the Atlanta coach McMillan letting the chippy stuff go because he's a Seattle guy too?

I think the Atlanta "honeymoon" will be short lived with the player egos clashing.

McMillan is a NC guy. He grew up in Raleigh, NC. I would say McMillan's teams have always played dirty. Remember the '05 Sonics with Jerome James, Danny Fortson. He encourages this type of stuff. I would say also McMillan played with Gary Payton who was a big-time trash talker and probably view DJ's trash talking in the same light as Gary's trash talk. He probably feels it gives them an edge like it gave the sonics when he played with Gary.

[wildbill2u]

Looked to me that Murray threw off the arm of the ref that was trying to separate the players. I was surprised he didn't get another tech for putting hands on a ref--a super no-no that usually brings on an ejecteion.

[Rocalcio]

Damn he is becoming such an idiot…

[exstatic]

Damn is becoming such an idiot…

He’s only revealing it. It’s been there all along. I’m guessing the Spurs knew it, and understood that even if he improved more, he isn’t a foundation piece, but Klutch would want him paid like one. We sold high.

[timtonymanu]

Still glad we traded him because we would be stuck at 30+ wins and a play in spot with him.

[timtonymanu]

I really think that if DJ hadn’t been drafted by the Spurs, he’d be out of the league now, or at best, someone’s 12th man. He was so fucking awful when he got here. Couldn’t shoot, and could barely dribble.

Exactly this. Which is why him chirping at us now that he’s gone makes me laugh. Dude would be a G league scrub if it wasn’t for the Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Look here the DJ hater squad is gathering around :lol I'm glad he's off the team, he was a ball stopper and his defense is overrated. Now we can watch this beautiful ball movement and defense by the Spurs

[DAF86]

The culture is real. These guys become douches as long as they leave the Spurs.

How long will the path, that Robinson, Duncan and Ginobili created, last?

[KingKev]

I find it funny that Sprinkles can pull that same goofy shit and be praised as having next while averaging a triple single but DJM is the clown.

Spurstalk at it’s finest.

[Rocalcio]

I find it funny that Sprinkles can pull that same goofy shit and be praised as having next while averaging a triple single but DJM is the clown.

Spurstalk at it’s finest.

Have you seen Murray’s behavior ? It’s not trashtalking, it’s being disrespectful. You don’t touch you defender’s head after hitting a 3, just to humiliate him. The guy is a douchebag, period.

[KingKev]

Have you seen Murray’s behavior ? It’s not trashtalking, it’s being disrespectful. You don’t touch you defender’s head after hitting a 3, just to humiliate him. The guy is a douchebag, period.

Sochan equally has fuck boy tendencies. Atleast DJM can back it up.

Zollins might be more bout that life than both.

[ambchang]

Sochan equally has fuck boy tendencies. Atleast DJM can back it up.

Zollins might be more bout that life than both.

What did Sochan do? Heard stories about him being a total prick to get in peoples head during the game but that’s the e extent of it.

[Joseph Kony]

I find it funny that Sprinkles can pull that same goofy shit and be praised as having next while averaging a triple single but DJM is the clown.

Spurstalk at it’s finest.
When was Sochan tapping rookies on the back of their heads in attempt to humiliate them on the court? pinching a dude's nipples to distract him in the midst of the game is not even remotely the same type of behavior:lol

Murray sure backed it up with that L after choking a double digit lead to the worst team in the league tho

[Rocalcio]

Sochan equally has fuck boy tendencies. Atleast DJM can back it up.

Zollins might be more bout that life than both.

I don’t remember Sochan doing such a lame thing.

[KingKev]

When was Sochan tapping rookies on the back of their heads in attempt to humiliate them on the court? pinching a dude's nipples to distract him in the midst of the game is not even remotely the same type of behavior:lol

Murray sure backed it up with that L after choking a double digit lead to the worst team in the league tho

The fact you don’t see the difference or the similarities tells me you don’t understand the game.

[KingKev]

I don’t remember Sochan doing such a lame thing.

He pinched another man’s nipples. That shit ain't weird for you?

[Ariel]

I think Sochan does provocative things to try to get into his opponents head, some stuff is funny (like extending his arm to help someone get up, then pulling it back) some is weird (nipple pinching? :lol c'mon... that's some kink of his coming out). Dejounte's showing with Banchero and other stuff seems to point more towards his ego walking a fine line, which as long as doesn't get out of control is not a problem, but at some point could be. In any case, as long as they deliver on the court and are not detrimental to team chemistry, neither is a big deal.

[slick'81]

He pinched another man’s nipples. That shit ain't weird for you?


If a spur does it it's totally cool. Except for flashing of course:lol

[KingKev]

If a spur does it it's totally cool. Except for flashing of course:lol


Haha like real talk. Players do shit to get in opponents headz. Bruce Bowen and Horry are gods when they are contributing to a chip.

Showing your junk is next level though. Can’t be doing that putting up g league numbers.

[John B]

DJM would bite your hand like a stray dog if cornered. That incident with him balking at Pop like a disrespectful punk always comes to mind. That’s the real DJM revealing himself in situation. He tried to suppress that around the likes of Manu, Tony, Pop and Spurs classy organizations. But like a punk that he really is, is acting his real self outside of Spurs. I truly believe PATFO suspected that and would not build its foundation on a volatile punk, but rather cashout and let him be somebody’s problem. I argue that during the Big 3, they would’ve kept him and might be able to control that attitude, but not as the leader of the impressionable young group, too volatile on top of his heavy iso not conducive to motion offense. So they had to move him. The guy’s a punk.

[tonight...you]

DJ wants to thug it out?
Cool.
Sochan wants to pull pranks to get in peeps heads?
Cool.

What does it matter?

Anyone want to judge the player, give Sochan the same amount of time we had to give DJM.

[Joseph Kony]

The fact you don’t see the difference or the similarities tells me you don’t understand the game.
the fact that you think nipple pinching and tapping rookies on the head has any relevance to ones understanding of the game tells me you dont understand the game at all :lmao

i dont give two shits what DJM does...he isnt a Spur anymore. i'm just laughing at you acting like he did anything other than embarrass himself by talking a bunch of shit and choking to the worst team in the league. all that did was make him look like a fucking clown in the end. Sochan's "goofy shit" at least tries to gain an advantage. DJM is just trying to clown dudes for the sake of it

[KingKev]

the fact that you think nipple pinching and tapping rookies on the head has any relevance to ones understanding of the game tells me you dont understand the game at all :lmao

i dont give two shits what DJM does...he isnt a Spur anymore. i'm just laughing at you acting like he did anything other than embarrass himself by talking a bunch of shit and choking to the worst team in the league. all that did was make him look like a fucking clown in the end. Sochan's "goofy shit" at least tries to gain an advantage. DJM is just trying to clown dudes for the sake of it

A clown calling someone else a clown. Isn’t that amusing.

Sochan is not adding anything to winning basketball other than helping us get a lottery pick by his poor
play. That’s his best value add thus far; outside of pinching the toughest guy in the NBA’s nipples. He is lucky Adam’s didn’t put him down for life.

[Rocalcio]

He pinched another man’s nipples. That shit ain't weird for you?

I don't say it's not weird, that's just not as disrespectful as hitting your defender's head after a tree. I agree trashtalking can imply minor contacts between two opponents, such as forehead to forehead, pushing, but this is different. And the worst is that I'm pretty sure the defender didn't talk any shit to him that could explain why Murray would do that, it's just free disrespect.

[Joseph Kony]

A clown calling someone else a clown. Isn’t that amusing.

Sochan is not adding anything to winning basketball other than helping us get a lottery pick by his poor
play. That’s his best value add thus far; outside of pinching the toughest guy in the NBA’s nipples. He is lucky Adam’s didn’t put him down for life.

Lol youre dumb. What point are you even making? Stick to shitposting kid

[KingKev]

I don't say it's not weird, that's just not as disrespectful as hitting your defender's head after a tree. I agree trashtalking can imply minor contacts between two opponents, such as forehead to forehead, pushing, but this is different. And the worst is that I'm pretty sure the defender didn't talk any shit to him that could explain why Murray would do that, it's just free disrespect.

I guess where I stand is talk shit or don’t but if you talk shit back it up. Spurs fans shouldn’t crucify DJ while commending Sochan. DJ puts numbers on the board. Sochan has shown an intriguing skillset but not enough to warrant these extra curriculars in my view.

[Chinook]

When Sochan does it, it's dumb. Hopefully he learns to stop. DJM has been in league for years now. It's less forgivable that he does it.

[Ariel]

Well, I think we're getting somewhere. It's not a big deal, but Sochan should put his energy in developing his game rather than coming up with inventive ways to provoke his rivals. I don't mind it, but he'll be much more frustrating to his opponents when he makes open shots, rebounds better, and locks people up. And then, yes, pinch a nipple on occasion if it makes you happy :lol

[Ariel]

BTW... here in Argentina in the 1960s (before all seeing cameras) a soccer team was well known for using needles to prick opposing players in set plays, also throwing dirt in their eyes. Nipple pinching is kindergarten stuff...

[Rocalcio]

I guess where I stand is talk shit or don’t but if you talk shit back it up. Spurs fans shouldn’t crucify DJ while commending Sochan. DJ puts numbers on the board. Sochan has shown an intriguing skillset but not enough to warrant these extra curriculars in my view.

Sochan is having a better rookie season than Murray, but this is not the subject. It looks like you're the only one here not seeing that their behaviors can't be compared. Never mind then.

[KingKev]

Sochan is having a better rookie season than Murray, but this is not the subject. It looks like you're the only one here not seeing that their behaviors can't be compared. Never mind then.

As a rookie DJ didn’t act up. He just played hard….

Harder than Vinny Del Negros wife selling fake Spurs merch outside of the Alamo Dome.

[Rocalcio]

As a rookie DJ didn’t act up. He just played hard….

Harder than Vinny Del Negros wife selling fake Spurs merch outside of the Alamo Dome.

And he turned into a jerk now.

For the record, I'm not really Vinny del Negro.

[KingKev]

And he turned into a jerk now.

For the record, I'm not really Vinny del Negro.


Oh I thought you were the legend himself. My bad. Just an honorary paisano I guess.

[itzsoweezee]

Lol 3 Ls after the head tap and only 1 game above .500. I’m enjoying being a Hawks hater.

[Maddog]

Lol 3 Ls after the head tap and only 1 game above .500. I’m enjoying being a Hawks hater.

We're a quarter of the way though the season and team records are starting to represent reality. I thought even with DJM the Hawks where probably a 4th seed at best.
Good trade.

[exstatic]

His shooting is also reverting to the mean, back to 34% from 3.

[Rocalcio]

Oh I thought you were the legend himself. My bad. Just an honorary paisano I guess.

Just a random guy from France, maybe it matches what you just said.

So I must understand you’re the guy on your picture ? That would explain a lot.

[Rocalcio]

We're a quarter of the way though the season and team records are starting to represent reality. I thought even with DJM the Hawks where probably a 4th seed at best.
Good trade.

Hopefully they’ll be in the lottery.

[exstatic]

Hopefully they’ll be in the lottery.

Hopefully, their Trae/DJ experiment blows up in their faces, DJ jets, and they’re in the lottery in 2025.

[Rocalcio]

Hopefully, their Trae/DJ experiment blows up in their faces, DJ jets, and they’re in the lottery in 2025.

Their pick they gave us is in 2025 ? I can’t remember, we have so many firsts now… If so then the experiment needs to last a little bit before blowing up to their face.

[John B]

And what did DJM/Trae experiment got Hawks so far? 8th place. Bulls and Miami will have better records by the end of the season, and see where that says about AS Dejounte and his thug face

[exstatic]

Their pick they gave us is in 2025 ? I can’t remember, we have so many firsts now… If so then the experiment needs to last a little bit before blowing up to their face.

Well, he can’t leave until summer 2024. He’s under contract until then. The fact that he had two years under contract is what got us the pick haul.

[exstatic]

And what did DJM/Trae experiment got Hawks so far? 8th place. Bulls and Miami will have better records by the end of the season, and see where that says about AS Dejounte and his thug face

I’m almost hoping CHIs pick ends up in the top 4, and doesn’t convey this year, assuming we jump up from #4. If it conveys to Orlando in 2024 instead, our FRP 3 draft clock then starts in 2026 because of the Stepien rule, and we aren’t saddled with 3 FRPs in one draft (2025) again. In the 3 drafts of that hypothetical pick clock, we have a swap with ATL in 2026, a FRP from ATL in 2027, and a swap with Boston in 2028.

[Maddog]

Well, he can’t leave until summer 2024. He’s under contract until then. The fact that he had two years under contract is what got us the pick haul.

Summer of 24 will be quite interesting for Atlanta
4 players are under contract for ~113 million- and DJM is not one of them. That's a fair amount of money for not a lot.

[KingKev]

Summer of 24 will be quite interesting for Atlanta
4 players are under contract for ~113 million- and DJM is not one of them. That's a fair amount of money for not a lot.

Yeah as much as I miss DJM those unprotected picks certainly have the possibility for real upside.

[exstatic]

Yeah as much as I miss DJM those unprotected picks certainly have the possibility for real upside.

Just ask the Lakers how much those can hurt. I’m guessing they thought even the swap would be valueless.

[John B]

Just ask the Lakers how much those can hurt. I’m guessing they thought even the swap would be valueless.

I hate the Lakers but AD balled and got Lakers the ring that year (albeit pandemic ring), which I think any GM would do for a chance at ringing. Ask the Nets, Knicks who would kill for that chance, just imo.

[exstatic]

I hate the Lakers but AD balled and got Lakers the ring that year (albeit pandemic ring), which I think any GM would do for a chance at ringing. Ask the Nets, Knicks who would kill for that chance, just imo.

It was a cheap, crap ring, and everyone knows it. AD and LeBron balled out, because they got a 6 month breakin the middle of the season. There were also no hostile road playoff crowds to playin front of. It also set up probably 10 years lost in the wilderness for LA.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if DJM didn't sign in LA for Lebron's last year. He is part of Klutch's stable and I think he would consider that a move up. If they can figure out how to pay him.

[exstatic]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if DJM didn't sign in LA for Lebron's last year. He is part of Klutch's stable and I think he would consider that a move up. If they can figure out how to pay him.

How many more years do you think LeBron is going to play? He’s kind of embarrassing himself now, and most Laker fans are done.

[couchman]

DJM's ego is constantly in need of massaging, which makes him susceptible to outside appeals during free agency.
The Spurs knew they would probably have a hard time keeping him, in addition to questioning whether he is worth the max.
I'd give ATL only a 25% chance of keeping him in the summer of 2024, especially if they continue to be good but not good enough to be elite.

[spurraider21]

Trae Young, DeAndre Hunter, John Collins all out. Murray still led the team to a win over Denver

[slick'81]

Trae Young, DeAndre Hunter, John Collins all out. Murray still led the team to a win over Denver

he's not too bad

[mystargtr34]

1599531961143345158

Not because of this tweet, but imo there's a good chance neither Trae or DeJounte are with the Hawks by the time the 24-25 season starts and those picks start conveying ('25 pick, '26 swap, '27 pick).

[KingKev]

1599531961143345158

Not because of this tweet, but imo there's a good chance neither Trae or DeJounte are with the Hawks by the time the 24-25 season starts and those picks start conveying ('25 pick, '26 swap, '27 pick).

Miss DJ but that could turn out to be a VERY savvy move by PATFO when it’s all said and done.

[slick'81]

1599531961143345158

Not because of this tweet, but imo there's a good chance neither Trae or DeJounte are with the Hawks by the time the 24-25 season starts and those picks start conveying ('25 pick, '26 swap, '27 pick).


pray dejounte goes to la

[John B]

pray dejounte goes to la

His incessant need to get pat-in-the-back, I don’t think he stays at Hawks. Eventually he will try to get to a much bigger market or collude with other “All-Star.” Hawks aint going anywhere and that’s why he’ll leave.

[Rocalcio]

The funny thing is that Atlanta landing Murray seems to disturb Young, his percentages are awful this season compared to last season.

[Maddog]

Miss DJ but that could turn out to be a VERY savvy move by PATFO when it’s all said and done.

They seem rather combustible.

I miss DJ and he's a really good player- however the Spurs probably made the right move.
Sent him to the one team that really wanted him who have an uncertain future.
Atlanta's has a tricky path forward. In DJs Free agent year they are on the books for 124 million.
I don't think as configured they are or will be a contender. Come summer of 24 they have some tough choices.

[exstatic]

The funny thing is that Atlanta landing Murray seems to disturb Young, his percentages are awful this season compared to last season.

DJ’s shooting also seems to be reverting to the mean.

[exstatic]

They seem rather combustible.

I miss DJ and he's a really good player- however the Spurs probably made the right move.
Sent him to the one team that really wanted him who have an uncertain future.
Atlanta's has a tricky path forward. In DJs Free agent year they are on the books for 124 million.
I don't think as configured they are or will be a contender. Come summer of 24 they have some tough choices.

Re-signing John Collins was beyond dumb. He’s empty calories, and was picked #19 overall, and they’re clinging to him like a failing top 5 pick.

[Ariel]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10059477-sources-trae-young-could-be-next-nba-superstar-to-request-trade

Sources: Trae Young Could Be Next NBA Superstar to Request Trade

LAS VEGAS — Rival executives in attendance at the NBA's annual G League Winter Showcase are of the belief that Atlanta Hawks star point guard Trae Young could be the next player on a rookie max extension to request a trade if the team doesn't make inroads come postseason time.

Young, 24, is as competitive as they come and has a strong desire to win big in this league. He's under contract through the 2026-27 season but has an early termination option after the 2025-26 season.

Atlanta has struggled to find the chemistry that propelled it to the Eastern Conference Finals two years ago. Last season, the Hawks won just one playoff game, losing in five games to the Miami Heat. This season, they are on a similar trajectory with an underwhelming 16-16 record, ninth in the Eastern Conference. All that despite the offseason addition of star guard Dejounte Murray, a player Young encouraged management to pursue.

This week, Atlanta ownership reassigned president Travis Schlenk—who drafted Young—to an adviser role. How the Hawks shape the roster around Young under general manager Landry Fields, the newly appointed front-office chief, will be monitored closely. A source told B/R that Young and Fields meet routinely and have a great relationship.

Fields has the green light from ownership to do what's necessary to acquire upgrades, but the hard part is executing. John Collins has been made available in trade talks, but it is unclear if the organization can return a package that would make the team better.

[The Truth #6]

Interesting. I always thought they built around the wrong player. But would trading Trae actually stabilize the team? They seem to have a great supporting cast. Interesting.

[KingKev]

Sounds like a stretch but would be huge for those unprotected pics.

Cat see too many teams ready to go all in on Trae though….

[exstatic]

Sounds like a stretch but would be huge for those unprotected pics.

Cat see too many teams ready to go all in on Trae though….

Poor man’s Curry with a shit attitude. Some team will bite.

[scott]

Trae was born to be a Knick. Don't know if NYK have the kind of assets to make it happen though.

[Ariel]

Trae bolts. Desperate Hawks make a bad trade. Turmoil unravels. Dejounte signs elsewhere in free agency. 2025 Hawks become to the Spurs what the Lakers have become to the Pelicans. Please dear God, make it happen.

[BacktoBasics]

Trae for KAT makes sense fr both teams.

[mystargtr34]

Trae for KAT makes sense fr both teams.

That’s not a bad trade at all tbh. Agree makes sense for both.

Trae would make the Wolves dangerous with Ant, Gobert and some decent role players like McDaniels.

Hawks would need to make some further trades to put a defensive 4 next to KAT but they’ll have the assets to do it with Capela, Collins, Griffin.

[mystargtr34]

^ Okongwu is probably a good fit next to KAT actually he has the foot speed to play the 4 on defense. Might not be a perfect fit on offense

[exstatic]

Trae was born to be a Knick. Don't know if NYK have the kind of assets to make it happen though.

They got three FRPs from OKC in the Dieng trade on draft day. They’re all protected to some extent, and the protections lessen as time goes by. The least protection in any year for any of the picks is 1-8. I wouldn’t take all three as payment for Trae. They’re pretty mid.

[Mr. Body]

Rival execs creating Atlanta dissent out of nothing. :lol

But no one's winning anything with Trae Young. That trade to Minnesota is interesting, though.

[exstatic]

Rival execs creating Atlanta dissent out of nothing. :lol

But no one's winning anything with Trae Young. That trade to Minnesota is interesting, though.

There’s been dissent in ATL since their disappointing season following the ECF appearance. Ain’t nobody manufacturing anything.

[Ocotillo]

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/anticipation-gif-3.gifAtlanta picks

[XDT76]

That’s not a bad trade at all tbh. Agree makes sense for both.

Trae would make the Wolves dangerous with Ant, Gobert and some decent role players like McDaniels.

Hawks would need to make some further trades to put a defensive 4 next to KAT but they’ll have the assets to do it with Capela, Collins, Griffin.

The problem is KAT does not want to be a 5, that's why wolves go get Gobert. I am also glad that Spurs did not previously sign Collins.

[Mr. Body]

There’s been dissent in ATL since their disappointing season following the ECF appearance. Ain’t nobody manufacturing anything.

There's been dissent in Atlanta for years. This is just a journo getting execs to start yappin'.

[CGD]

They need to take the L on Collins signing and stop viewing him as an asset. No one is giving multiple picks for the guy. They just need to move his ass already and free up that money for future dealings.

[exstatic]

They need to take the L on Collins signing and stop viewing him as an asset. No one is giving multiple picks for the guy. They just need to move his ass already and free up that money for future dealings.

I don’t think he’s a negative, and could be an asset in the right system. The year before Trae arrived, he was a legit, actual 20/10 guy. Now, with a PG who spats with him, he’s a 12/7.5 guy. If he went to a system that would use him as a scorer, he could return to his former numbers. Up until last year, his advanced stats were pretty good. He just seems to have given up on getting touches this year, and his numbers have reflected that across the board.

[exstatic]

They need to take the L on Collins signing and stop viewing him as an asset. No one is giving multiple picks for the guy. They just need to move his ass already and free up that money for future dealings.

I don’t think he’s a negative, and could be an asset in the right system. The year before Trae arrived, he was a legit, actual 20/10 guy. Now, with a PG who spats with him, he’s a 12/7.5 guy. If he went to a system that would use him as a scorer, he could return to his former numbers. Up until last year, his advanced stats were pretty good. He just seems to have given up on getting touches this year, and his numbers have reflected that across the board.

[John B]

I used to like the Hawks especially when they overachieved with Coach Bud back then. But now, burn baby burn :lol

[Leetonidas]

I remember when we traded DJ everyone was lamenting the decision because they were so convinced those picks would be late 1st rounders and i kept saying a lot can change from now til then... it's already beginning :lol

[Dejounte]

I used to like the Hawks especially when they overachieved with Coach Bud back then. But now, burn baby burn :lol

I thought you liked the Hawks because of Jalen “for sure star” Johnson or the Wizards with Johnny “next Manu” Davis?

Im fucking with you man. Dont take it seriously.

[John B]

I thought you liked the Hawks because of Jalen “for sure star” Johnson or the Wizards with Johnny “next Manu” Davis?

Im fucking with you man. Dont take it seriously.

Hey none taken. In hindsight, getting Jalen over Primo would've been a better choice. And Johnny Davis? I was turned-off with DJ ever since that squabble with Pop. I knew he wasn't my team captain, not that attitude. Johnny Davis came to mind, but only if they could take a Tari Eason. But I did say if they only had one pick, I wanted Sochan. And boy I think I'm changing my avatar with Sochan. The kid has not even skimmed the surface.

Barkeley with his bully-attitude. Sochan might very well be the top pick of this draft if he continuous his trajectory.

[Mr. Body]

Those picks are unprotected, huh.

[scott]

John Collins could be a nice replacement for Bridges in CHA, but it is doubtful CHA are buyers with so much lottery joy on the line.

[exstatic]

Those picks are unprotected, huh.

2 picks, and the 2026 swap wedged in between. All unprotected.

[timvp]

I guess that Hawks dynasty the Spurs created by trading Dejounte to Atlanta might have been prematurely crowned, tbh.

[spurraider21]

earliest pick we get from them is 2025, so still a lot that can happen between now and then

but one thing that WILL happen is Murray is getting a new deal and a massive raise. if they actually move Trae, it will be very hard for them to basically max murray and then build around that in time to avoid giving us a good 2025 pick

[Thomas82]

I guess that Hawks dynasty the Spurs created by trading Dejounte to Atlanta might have been prematurely crowned, tbh.

IKR....I just knew pairing DJ with Lil' El DeBarge wouldn't work too well.

[exstatic]

earliest pick we get from them is 2025, so still a lot that can happen between now and then

but one thing that WILL happen is Murray is getting a new deal and a massive raise. if they actually move Trae, it will be very hard for them to basically max murray and then build around that in time to avoid giving us a good 2025 pick

He won’t sign an extension, because that would leave a lot of money on the table. Klutch made that very clear, which means ATL will see him go unrestricted in 2024. If they offload Trae, and it doesn’t go well, he may move on.

[spurraider21]

He won’t sign an extension, because that would leave a lot of money on the table. Klutch made that very clear, which means ATL will see him go unrestricted in 2024. If they offload Trae, and it doesn’t go well, he may move on.
doesnt have to be an extension. but he would still get the most money re-upping with atlanta as a UFA. if klutch is all about maximizing money, they wouldnt move on and leave that extra money on the table

[exstatic]

doesnt have to be an extension. but he would still get the most money re-upping with atlanta as a UFA. if klutch is all about maximizing money, they wouldnt move on and leave that extra money on the table
Most of the extra money is in the extra year. The per season isn’t much different. He won’t move on unless he’s unhappy, and if he’s unhappy, one extra year on a team where’s he’s unhappy won’t be a draw.

[KingKev]

Most of the extra money is in the extra year. The per season isn’t much different. He won’t move on unless he’s unhappy, and if he’s unhappy, one extra year on a team where’s he’s unhappy won’t be a draw.

You are forgetting that every year it’s only the piss poor managed franchises/franchises that nobody wants to play for have money like Charlotte, Orlando, Sacramento, San Antonio etc which leaves the team with bird rights well positioned to get something back in return.

[TD 21]

Hopefully the Hawks don't fall apart too soon, or else they'll have enough time to become at least decent again before the picks start to convey.


You are forgetting that every year it’s only the piss poor managed franchises/franchises that nobody wants to play for have money like Charlotte, Orlando, Sacramento, San Antonio etc which leaves the team with bird rights well positioned to get something back in return.

I notice you conveniently left out the team better at this than any other, none other than your Craptors (how are they doing, by the way?). Ironically, DeFrozen is the only prominent player who wanted to be there that they willingly traded.

Management doesn't have anything to do with "nobody" wanting to play in the non glamor markets. If it did, attracting top players wouldn't have been a problem here during the two decade dynasty, nor would it be with the present day Bucks and Nuggets, recent past Pacers and Jazz, etc.

[Shohoku High]

Not sure if Hawks are going to give DJM the bag. Hawks owner isn't willing to go into the luxury tax, like 1m below this season. Which really hurt them this season as they didn't want to extend Kevin Huerter and traded him to the Kings. He is having a career year too.

[ambchang]

Would be funny if the hawks miss the playoffs this year and end up with wemby.

[exstatic]

Would be funny if the hawks miss the playoffs this year and end up with wemby.

No it wouldn’t. Not even remotely.

[scott]

The only thing worse than having to blow it all up is having to blow it all up right after you've traded away 3 years of draft future. Hawks staring that in the face.

[exstatic]

The only thing worse than having to blow it all up is having to blow it all up right after you've traded away 3 years of draft future. Hawks staring that in the face.

I’m not sure they want to ‘blow it up’ but there is certainly some dissatisfaction on the part of Trae. At some point, if he’s having problems with teammates and problem with coaches, maybe the problem is him. I’m not sure you can build a team around him, talent wise, and I’m not sure you even want to if he’s such a baby.

[scott]

I’m not sure they want to ‘blow it up’ but there is certainly some dissatisfaction on the part of Trae. At some point, if he’s having problems with teammates and problem with coaches, maybe the problem is him. I’m not sure you can build a team around him, talent wise, and I’m not sure you even want to if he’s such a baby.

Of course they don't want to blow it up, but if Trae demands out - then the Hawks are in the position of looking at maxing DJ as the lead horse. I think the Spurs wisely punted away from that scenario. With that said, certainly Trae will fetch a nice return in terms of assets.

[exstatic]

Of course they don't want to blow it up, but if Trae demands out - then the Hawks are in the position of looking at maxing DJ as the lead horse. I think the Spurs wisely punted away from that scenario. With that said, certainly Trae will fetch a nice return in terms of assets.

The Hawks signed John Collins to a 5/$125M contract, and it really should have been 4/$80 or maybe 4/$90 deal. They’ll probably geek, and give him what Klutch wants.

[Mr. Body]

I mean, they're a .500 team. Why would anybody expect more from them?

[exstatic]

I mean, they're a .500 team. Why would anybody expect more from them?

Because with mostly the same cast, and no Dejounte, the made the ECFs in 2021?

[The Truth #6]

My point is that if they trade Trae they are likely to get better. I really have no idea how to gauge this from the spurs perspective in that a lot can happen quickly in this league.

[exstatic]

My point is that if they trade Trae they are likely to get better. I really have no idea how to gauge this from the spurs perspective in that a lot can happen quickly in this league.

Depends on who comes back. Sometimes, lowering the temperature in the locker room and on the floor can do wonders for a team. If I were the ATL front office, I’d try to get the best knockdown shooter available, and put the ball in DJs hands.

[The Truth #6]

To me they have done a great job of acquiring talented young players but idiotically built around Trae. More importantly, the team and coaches seem to hate Trae so the dysfunction appears to be here now. Getting rid of him should improve them. I’m hoping they don’t trade Trae and let this fester. But I’m just speculating from the outside.

[Mr. Body]

Because with mostly the same cast, and no Dejounte, the made the ECFs in 2021?

Dallas made the WCF last year and they are as mediocre as they come. Doesn't mean much, especially now that there are no great teams in the league anymore.

[KingKev]

Hopefully the Hawks don't fall apart too soon, or else they'll have enough time to become at least decent again before the picks start to convey.



I notice you conveniently left out the team better at this than any other, none other than your Craptors (how are they doing, by the way?). Ironically, DeFrozen is the only prominent player who wanted to be there that they willingly traded.

Management doesn't have anything to do with "nobody" wanting to play in the non glamor markets. If it did, attracting top players wouldn't have been a problem here during the two decade dynasty, nor would it be with the present day Bucks and Nuggets, recent past Pacers and Jazz, etc.

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[exstatic]

Dallas made the WCF last year and they are as mediocre as they come. Doesn't mean much, especially now that there are no great teams in the league anymore.

What a coincidence. Dallas is also seen as disfunctional.

Oh, and they also lost Brunson who was huge for them.

[JPB]

Not sure teams will fight and trade the farm for a potential toxic player like Trae...

Everyone is perfectly aware of what's going on in Atlanta and seeing the guy whine and (if that's true) want out 5 months after Atlanta gave away a boatload of picks to please him... I can see other teams try to lowball the Hawks anyway... We've seen what happened with Durant last summer.

[Maddog]

Because with mostly the same cast, and no Dejounte, the made the ECFs in 2021?


The Hawks signed John Collins to a 5/$125M contract, and it really should have been 4/$80 or maybe 4/$90 deal. They’ll probably geek, and give him what Klutch wants.

They made the ECF then looks like they overvalued what they had. Miami made to the finals then doubled down. Atlanta has some interesting choices in the summer before the pick conveys,.
4 players will total 115 million and DJM will be a free agent.

[KingKev]

This latest chit chat makes me realize how little ST follows the rest of the NBA. This drama is prevalent across the league with most teams who have decent talent.

This will be a non conversation in a few weeks like most NBA dramas. You know who else will be a non conversation? The San Antonio Spurs and their young core of Vassell, Keldon and Sprinkles.

[dbestpro]

This latest chit chat makes me realize how little ST follows the rest of the NBA. This drama is prevalent across the league with most teams who have decent talent.

This will be a non conversation in a few weeks like most NBA dramas. You know who else will be a non conversation? The San Antonio Spurs and their young core of Vassell, Keldon and Sprinkles.

Do you think Astro fans follow the Reds or Cowboy fans follow the Browns? I know Lakers fans have no idea who plays for the Pacers.

[KingKev]

Do you think Astro fans follow the Reds or Cowboy fans follow the Browns? I know Lakers fans have no idea who plays for the Pacers.

I can’t imagine being so deeply engaged in something I care about soo much about with so little
information.

Some ppl deserve to have their lunch eaten.

[KobesAchilles]

This latest chit chat makes me realize how little ST follows the rest of the NBA. This drama is prevalent across the league with most teams who have decent talent.

This will be a non conversation in a few weeks like most NBA dramas. You know who else will be a non conversation? The San Antonio Spurs and their young core of Vassell, Keldon and Sprinkles.
To be fair, the Hawks are going to fire their coach at the end of the year so there is some friction. And if they still suck next year then why wouldn’t Trae ask for a trade? Players have zero loyalty nowadays.

[Dverde]

I could see DJ staying if Trae left. I always thought he was a little more loyal than the average player. They are going to have to pay him a lot of money tho.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

The San Antonio Spurs and their young core of Vassell, Keldon and Sprinkles.
Are you trying to assert yourself by belittling the players? So far, it's weak.


You are forgetting that every year it’s only the piss poor managed franchises/franchises that nobody wants to play for have money like Charlotte, Orlando, Sacramento, San Antonio etc which leaves the team with bird rights well positioned to get something back in return.
How many all-star free agents from other teams since 2010 have signed with Toronto, Phoenix, Denver, Memphis, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Dallas and Indiana?

[KingKev]

Are you trying to assert yourself by belittling the players? So far, it's weak.


How many all-star free agents from other teams since 2010 have signed with Toronto, Phoenix, Denver, Memphis, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Dallas and Indiana?

Oh look this muppet again.

They all draft well and make winning trades.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Oh look this muppet again.

They all draft well and make winning trades.
At the same time, you shit in your pants and skip from one topic to another.
However, as always.

[KingKev]

At the same time, you shit in your pants and skip from one topic to another.
However, as always.

Happy Holidays MUPPET

[poopbox]

This latest chit chat makes me realize how little ST follows the rest of the NBA. This drama is prevalent across the league with most teams who have decent talent.

This will be a non conversation in a few weeks like most NBA dramas. You know who else will be a non conversation? The San Antonio Spurs and their young core of Vassell, Keldon and Sprinkles.

Spurs fans don't understand this since the one time their star player got mad at them he left and destroyed the franchise

They can't conceive of a star player on another team being upset and it just be part of the nba landscape

[Dverde]

Don’t miss this guy, always causing drama for his meal ticket

https://twitter.com/teammurray05/status/1611573756031565824?s

[John B]

Don’t miss this guy, always causing drama for his meal ticket

https://twitter.com/teammurray05/status/1611573756031565824?s

Drama queen. But I’m sure KingKev misses him :bobo

[The Truth #6]

That’s the dad chiming in?

[KingKev]

Drama queen. But I’m sure KingKev (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52391) misses him :bobo

That is his estranged father dumbass

[slick'81]

Man,maybe we should of taken those hawks picks earlier :lol

[tonight...you]

That is his estranged father dumbass
I thought they reconciled.
I admit I haven't been paying close attention though.

[exstatic]

Man,maybe we should of taken those hawks picks earlier :lol

Naw. This coming draft is 2023, and we have their 2025, 2026 swap, 2027. Id say it’s about perfect.

[slick'81]

Naw. This coming draft is 2023, and we have their 2025, 2026 swap, 2027. Id say it’s about perfect.


i can hardly wait:lobt2:

[Dverde]

I think they’ll still make the playoffs, they just need to fire their coach sooner than later. Mark Jackson probably licking his lips about it.

[Mr. Body]

Their main three players are kind of shitty personalities -- Trae, Dejounte, John Collins.

[exstatic]

I think they’ll still make the playoffs, they just need to fire their coach sooner than later. Mark Jackson probably licking his lips about it.

The fact that they haven’t tells you that they maybe shopping Trae. He’s talented, but way too self focused to take you anywhere deep in the playoffs. He has a beef with this player. He has a beef with that player. He has a beef with the coach. At some point, you realize that he’s the problem. You can spend all of your time catering to him and spinning your wheels,
or You cash out with a bundle of draft picks, and start over.

[slick'81]

The fact that they haven’t tells you that they maybe shopping Trae. He’s talented, but way too self focused to take you anywhere deep in the playoffs. He has a beef with this player. He has a beef with that player. He has a beef with the coach. At some point, you realize that he’s the problem. You can spend all of your time catering to him and spinning your wheels,
or You cash out with a bundle of draft picks, and start over.


it definitely makes their future uncertain. Spurs might be sitting pretty

[exstatic]

it definitely makes their future uncertain. Spurs might be sitting pretty

They’re sitting at #9 in the lottery now. They could dump everyone at the deadline , collect picks, and still tank this year and next before payment starts to us.

[slick'81]

They’re sitting at #9 in the lottery now. They could dump everyone at the deadline , collect picks, and still tank this year and next before payment starts to us.


so its a shitty deal?

[exstatic]

so its a shitty deal?

What? Our trade with ATL? No.

Unless they hit on the Victor sweepstakes, they ain’t rebuilding in two years. We’re still getting paid.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The Mavs/Hawks deal plus the potential inequity in the Spurs/Hawks trade is going to start making Atlanta the first call GMs make. Is IT doing consulting in Georgia?

[cd98]

Young is a great shooter, but he’s not Curry and not really a franchise player. He’s a solid 2nd best player.

the key is always make trades for unprotected picks with teams that are consistently incompetent. Danny Ainge is the best. Trade with TWolves is one step off a trade with the Kings. Yes the Kings look good this year, but do you trust it to continue? What are the chances those T Wolf picks turn into lottery picks? Pretty good.

Atlanta isn’t a terrible front office, though they dumbly passed on Luka. But they are bad enough that it’s was worth the risk in trading DJM.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/legionhoops/status/1614010613264683009?s=46

[Ocotillo]

IG Balla speaks!

[exstatic]

1614010613264683009

[Dverde]

He probably missing us, but I think he would be unhappy playing here (and losing). The let down from thinking you are the missing piece only to realize the entire puzzle is broken :(

[KingKev]

He probably missing us, but I think he would be unhappy playing here (and losing). The let down from thinking you are the missing piece only to realize the entire puzzle is broken :(

Yeah I really don’t think DJ is to blame here. Good for us though as he probably leaves in free agency.

[cd98]

If DJM were here, we'd be contending for the play-in. The trade was not because he wasn't good. It was because the talent around him wasn't good enough to push for anything more than a playin/8th seed. But I'm sure it's hard to go from here, where this became his team to Atlanta, where he is second fiddle.

[The Truth #6]

Good to see him share that insight. He’s seeing the other side now.

[Ariel]

I was never impressed with the return for Dejounte, but if the Hawks blow up, it could turn into a goldmine.

[Dejounte]

If DJM were here, we'd be contending for the play-in. The trade was not because he wasn't good. It was because the talent around him wasn't good enough to push for anything more than a playin/8th seed. But I'm sure it's hard to go from here, where this became his team to Atlanta, where he is second fiddle.

Ironic because it looks like the talent around him even now is only enough to push for a playin/8th seed. Could still change, but we will see.

[John B]

If DJM were here, we'd be contending for the play-in. The trade was not because he wasn't good. It was because the talent around him wasn't good enough to push for anything more than a playin/8th seed. But I'm sure it's hard to go from here, where this became his team to Atlanta, where he is second fiddle.

DJM is not good enough to build around, at best 3rd option in a contender. He cracks easily when cornered, start talking, twitter-happy, dramatic queen not suitable as a leader. He’s too much distraction and volatile. I’m impressed with his hard work, but I agree with other posters, he could be out of the league soon if Detroit or some other team had drafted him.

[exstatic]

If DJM were here, we'd be contending for the play-in. The trade was not because he wasn't good. It was because the talent around him wasn't good enough to push for anything more than a playin/8th seed. But I'm sure it's hard to go from here, where this became his team to Atlanta, where he is second fiddle.

The trade was because Klutch let SA know that he wouldn’t extend again, and wanted to enter FA. To keep him, SA would have had to overpay a guy who isn’t franchise quality. He was a textbook case of sell high.

[exstatic]

I was never impressed with the return for Dejounte, but if the Hawks blow up, it could turn into a goldmine.

I’m sure NO wasn’t impressed with what looked to be a bunch of late first rounders and swaps they wouldn’t want to use, in the Davis trade. Life throws you curves sometimes, though.

Really? You aren’t impressed that we turned a #29 pick in 2016 into two unprotected picks and a swap, plus another possible FRP?

[Ariel]

The trade was because Klutch let SA know that he wouldn’t extend again, and wanted to enter FA. To keep him, SA would have had to overpay a guy who isn’t franchise quality. He was a textbook case of sell high.
In all honesty it's all still up in the air.
On one end of the spectrum, if the Hawks pull it together and Charlotte doesn't, we could be left with as little as a couple of late 1sts and a couple of late 2nds (if Charlotte doesn't make the playoffs within 3 years and Atlanta contends and is better than us for the next 4 years). Measly return for a young all star.
On the other, the Hawks blow up and those unprotected picks and swaps turn into 3 lottery picks and Charlotte's into a mid first rounder. That's franchise altering.
So basically it's a big gamble. As it stands right now, nothing is settled but I'm cautiously optimistic (unlike I was at the time of the trade).

[talkspurs]

The trade was because Klutch let SA know that he wouldn’t extend again, and wanted to enter FA. To keep him, SA would have had to overpay a guy who isn’t franchise quality. He was a textbook case of sell high.

You have Poeltl that has basically said the same thing and the spurs have not traded him. DJM also had a much bigger impact on winning and will probably get a larger contract possibly close to max. This year will hurt him a little bit and we will see what he does next year.

[talkspurs]

In all honesty it's all still up in the air.
On one end of the spectrum, if the Hawks pull it together and Charlotte doesn't, we could be left with as little as a couple of late 1sts and a couple of late 2nds (if Charlotte doesn't make the playoffs within 3 years and Atlanta contends and is better than us for the next 4 years). Measly return for a young all star.
On the other, the Hawks blow up and those unprotected picks and swaps turn into 3 lottery picks and Charlotte's into a mid first rounder. That's franchise altering.
So basically it's a big gamble. As it stands right now, nothing is settled but I'm cautiously optimistic (unlike I was at the time of the trade).

I was basically like you and thought we did not get enough in the trade. I still think we could have got more but we wanted to send him to ATL. I also dont think he wanted out as much as some people seem to think he did.

[J_Paco]

https://twitter.com/legionhoops/status/1614010613264683009?s=46


This quote is hilarious when you take into account how he alluded to "non - basketball"/culture issues in San Antonio.

Stability is both hard to find/create and maintain in pro sports, otherwise every team would have it.

[exstatic]

I was basically like you and thought we did not get enough in the trade. I still think we could have got more but we wanted to send him to ATL. I also dont think he wanted out as much as some people seem to think he did.

I don’t necessarily think he wanted out, but it was clear that he wouldn’t extend again, and would enter unrestricted FA. That’s not where a team gets a friendly contract. They would likely have to pay franchise money to a non franchise player, and that’s how salary caps get bloated.

[KingKev]

I don’t necessarily think he wanted out, but it was clear that he wouldn’t extend again, and would enter unrestricted FA. That’s not where a team gets a friendly contract. They would likely have to pay franchise money to a non franchise player, and that’s how salary caps get bloated.

Exactly the timing just wasn’t right anymore given our rebuild and that he wasn’t eligible to a market rate extension.

I don’t think he necessarily wanted out but that deal suited both parties. His last season as a Spur he vastly outplayed his contract and I still think he will easily get 120/4yr or more come 2024 but we were never going to pay that.

I could see Keldon being moved in the next 12-24 months also.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs did well to identify a franchise with standing issues. They rely on an undersized chucker, had aging role-players, questionable young players, a bad contract in John Collins, and dodgy team chemistry. Not to mention whatever's going on with the F.O.

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Exactly the timing just wasn’t right anymore given our rebuild and that he wasn’t eligible to a market rate extension.

I don’t think he necessarily wanted out but that deal suited both parties. His last season as a Spur he vastly outplayed his contract and I still think he will easily get 120/4yr or more come 2024 but we were never going to pay that.

I could see Keldon being moved in the next 12-24 months also.

I've been harping on the long slide we've had defensively and if they re-sign him, that slide will continue. You can absorb one, maybe two players in a rotation that are bad defensively or offensively, but not 3 or 4. And right now, that's what we have. You can't re-sign a player like that if you don't have The requisite others to fill the holes.

For context, our defense is last in the league in multiple categories even over Detroit and Houston and Charlotte that are just as young and even more up tempo. That portends a *piss poor* defensive future.

[Mr. Body]

I also think Keldon will be traded before long. I just don't know whether his skill set is as recognizable or attractive as Dejounte's was -- long, defensive PG vs. undersize guy who shoots threes and drives to the hoop.

[Dverde]

Also keep in mind Dejounte wanted and asked to go to the Hawks. He has no one to blame but himself for being in this situation. Good thing is if Trae gets traded, he is going to get the bag from a desperate Hawks GM in FA. It’s life changing money, but on a bad team, but it’ll be his bad team.

[MannyIsGod]

In all honesty it's all still up in the air.
On one end of the spectrum, if the Hawks pull it together and Charlotte doesn't, we could be left with as little as a couple of late 1sts and a couple of late 2nds (if Charlotte doesn't make the playoffs within 3 years and Atlanta contends and is better than us for the next 4 years). Measly return for a young all star.
On the other, the Hawks blow up and those unprotected picks and swaps turn into 3 lottery picks and Charlotte's into a mid first rounder. That's franchise altering.
So basically it's a big gamble. As it stands right now, nothing is settled but I'm cautiously optimistic (unlike I was at the time of the trade).

Too many people think that the decisions you make are judged by the quality of the outcome which just wrong headed. You can make the 100% right decision, and it turns out with a less than desirable outcome. Yet, that decision is still the optimal one to make. There is virtually no scenario where the Spurs would have gotten more for DJM or where they could have reasonably expected him to make this team good enough to warrant keeping him and paying him. When you realize that, then the trade to Atlanta is obviously the right move to make every single time. There are scenarios when things don't play out as well as others, but there's really no reason for the Spurs to think twice about that trade.

Few people on this site were as high on that kid as I was/am. I still don't see how any trade would have been better (shocked they got as much as they did, quite frankly). I don't see how anything can be up in the air when the Spurs sold DJM at what is possibly the highest price they could have reasonably gotten for him.

[heyheymymy]

Wow someone should put the two DJM quotes on a 'how it started, how it's going' meme. That was a full roller coaster of emotions there.

[heyheymymy]

I agree Mr Body - Starting to feel like Spurs targeted ATL after scanning the club chemistry and seeing a big chance those future FRPs ripen very well.

And I agree ex - Starting in 2025 and extnding through 2027 is the Hawks fall-apart sweet spot.

This deal has been crystalizing better than expected but will still be a wait and see thing despite the trajectory appearing to be lining up quite nicely for SA.

[Dverde]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10061701-john-collins-rumors-hawks-give-pfs-camp-permission-to-do-own-searching-for-trade

John Collins given the LMA special. I remember so many people slurping this guy. Now no one wants to give up anything for him.

[exstatic]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10061701-john-collins-rumors-hawks-give-pfs-camp-permission-to-do-own-searching-for-trade

John Collins given the LMA special. I remember so many people slurping this guy. Now no one wants to give up anything for him.

People wanted him when he was a legit 21/10 guy. His squabbles with Trae have diminished his role, and now he’s a 12/8 guy. He’s the same player, though. ATL did the opposite of us selling DJ when his value was high.

[KingKev]

People wanted him when he was a legit 21/10 guy. His squabbles with Trae have diminished his role, and now he’s a 12/8 guy. He’s the same player, though. ATL did the opposite of us selling DJ when his value was high.

Yeah, I don’t see how he can’t get back to being a 20/10 type player with a decent 3pt shot but the priblem is teams won’t pay up to take that chance. Could see him being moved for a large expiring or 2year vet and an SRP.

[exstatic]

Yeah, I don’t see how he can get back to being a 20/10 type player with a decent 3pt shot but the priblem is teams won’t pay up to take that chance. Could see him being moved for a large expiring or 2year vet and an SRP.

Oh, exactly. If his numbers don’t rebound, you’re stuck with 3/$79M over the next 3 seasons. His current numbers don’t justify the money, so they can’t move him.

[Ariel]

Too many people think that the decisions you make are judged by the quality of the outcome which just wrong headed. You can make the 100% right decision, and it turns out with a less than desirable outcome. Yet, that decision is still the optimal one to make. There is virtually no scenario where the Spurs would have gotten more for DJM or where they could have reasonably expected him to make this team good enough to warrant keeping him and paying him. When you realize that, then the trade to Atlanta is obviously the right move to make every single time. There are scenarios when things don't play out as well as others, but there's really no reason for the Spurs to think twice about that trade.

Few people on this site were as high on that kid as I was/am. I still don't see how any trade would have been better (shocked they got as much as they did, quite frankly). I don't see how anything can be up in the air when the Spurs sold DJM at what is possibly the highest price they could have reasonably gotten for him.
That's too simplistic a view. Your point would be valid if we traded, say, Keldon Johnson for a team with a bottom 3 record, thus giving us 14% odds at Wembayama. Whether the lottery actually favors us or not shouldn't count on the assessment of the original trade, because we only traded for tickets, and the rest is luck, and this is so because us landing Wembanyama wouldn't change the odds in retrospect, since they're independent events.

In this case the Spurs decided to trade Dejounte for a bunch of unknown assets, as opposed to taking players. That means there's quite a range of possible outcomes, and the value of the return depends on one parameter: the fate of the Hawks. The key to assess the trade is to make (at the time of the trade) as accurate a prediction as possible, in terms of probabilities, of the deal netting us the best possible scenario, the worst one, or something in between. If you knew that distribution you could make an definite assessment, irrespective of which outcome actually materializes.

The problem is, since neither of us is God, that's a parameter we can never know, and the best we can do is estimate it from the actual events. And since those two ARE NOT INDEPENDENT, present events actually do give you information that suggests the chances of the best scenario panning out are better than some of us originally thought, which automatically can chance one's evaluation of the trade in hindsight.

In short, current events speak of the Spurs FO better assessing the Dejounte/Tre Young Hawks than me, hence why I reevaluated.

[KingKev]

Dejountrae back court looked good last night

[ismael-robert]

Don't pay attention to their record so just realized as it stands he went from one play in team to another, but as he now admits with more non basketball problems

[spurraider21]

I’m sure NO wasn’t impressed with what looked to be a bunch of late first rounders and swaps they wouldn’t want to use, in the Davis trade. Life throws you curves sometimes, though.

Really? You aren’t impressed that we turned a #29 pick in 2016 into two unprotected picks and a swap, plus another possible FRP?
At the time Murray was traded nobody cared where he was drafted. So being impressed or not with the haul has nothing to do with that.

else we should have traded prime manu for a late first and have been pleased with the haul for what was the #57 pick or whatever

[Leetonidas]

He was on Stephen Jackson's podcast recently I think. Wonder when that will drop. Can almost guarantee jack goads him into talking shit about the Spurs

[KingKev]

He was on Stephen Jackson's podcast recently I think. Wonder when that will drop. Can almost guarantee jack goads him into talking shit about the Spurs

I watch almost every episode of All The Smoke and have not seen anything that indicates a DJM appearance.

My bad, I stand corrected.

[dubross]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnmsUnAJ7bu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[KingKev]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnmsUnAJ7bu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Thank you sir!

[KingKev]

This will be interesting! Spurstalk meltdown imminent.

[stnick2261]

I thought that was a great short video. I think it's entirely understandable from his point of view.

So, my question is this: If we win the Wemby sweepstakes and Murray realizes he didn't really have it that bad in SA... Would you take him back as a FA in summer '24 for Wemby's sophomore season? Just in time to get Atlanta's '25, '26 & '27 lottery picks as we improve.

[emanueldavidginobili]

https://youtu.be/SbRovaZZ4qE

[KingKev]

I thought that was a great short video. I think it's entirely understandable from his point of view.

So, my question is this: If we win the Wemby sweepstakes and Murray realizes he didn't really have it that bad in SA... Would you take him back as a FA in summer '24 for Wemby's sophomore season? Just in time to get Atlanta's '25, '26 & '27 lottery picks as we improve.

Personally I would but it depends on how we were trending and this is an unlikely situation. He is going to get paid by a more lucrative team I suspect.

I suspect this interview will shed light on what many Spurs fans and PATFO are in denial about which is we need a culture tweek to compete in the modern NBA. Players don’t want to be here because of the culture not because San Antonio as a city is so bad.

[Leetonidas]

Any interesting tidbits? Way too long to sit through

[KingKev]

https://youtu.be/SbRovaZZ4qE

Timely! Cheers!

[Dverde]

Man, I can’t believe he threw shade at Tony Parker. I doubt he says a word about nephew ghosting his team during the season. I know SJAX won’t bring that up either. He took TP’s starter job and you expect him to stay and further mentor you In possibly his last year in the league. He had a few years with Parker and Patty was still there. That statement sounds so self-centered.

[Kevin]

Sounds like Murray was given pretty standard rookie treatment for a guy drafted relatively late. He was put through his paces and paid his dues. No real bomb shells.

[exstatic]

Personally I would but it depends on how we were trending and this is an unlikely situation. He is going to get paid by a more lucrative team I suspect.

I suspect this interview will shed light on what many Spurs fans and PATFO are in denial about which is we need a culture tweek to compete in the modern NBA. Players don’t want to be here because of the culture not because San Antonio as a city is so bad.

His grandmother was a gangbanger, and frankly, before Crawford got into his life, so was he. If such an individual is disaffected with the Spurs culture, so be it.

[mo7888]

I thought that was a great short video. I think it's entirely understandable from his point of view.

So, my question is this: If we win the Wemby sweepstakes and Murray realizes he didn't really have it that bad in SA... Would you take him back as a FA in summer '24 for Wemby's sophomore season? Just in time to get Atlanta's '25, '26 & '27 lottery picks as we improve.

I'd consider it too... There are many factors between here and there, but I don't feel like he's some pariah we need to avoid.

[JPB]

Any interesting tidbits? Way too long to sit through

Didn't still finish it, but:

- DJ just confirming spurs and him were going on different directiosn and he wanted to play in a competitive team (spurs or others) and with all the trading rumors, they ultimately had a discussion about teams he'd like to be traded to...

- Jax saying spurs are great, professional organisation but if you're not Duncan, Parker or Manu, they won't hesitate trading you somewhere where you'd "disappear" cos the have to play you again... And that they cut him just before the POs during his second gig so he can't sign with another team (and punish them I guess)... BS, spurs always try to please their players in trades. He was just a narcissic asshole who thought he should have been the man and play over Manu...