Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[MaNu4Tres]

He's done a lot more bad recently than good. He's been yanked in almost every game Pop gave him time in garbage time for mistakes.

Hopefully he regains focus and earns more time.

Lol you cant take 1 or 2 minute stints seriously. Kid forces issue more than usual in time compressed showcase situations-- which is normal for aggressive rookies.

Those moments carry little to no weight to me.

[DPG21920]

Lol you cant take 1 or 2 minute stints seriously. Kid forces issue more than usual in time compressed showcase situations-- which is normal for aggressive rookies.

Those moments carry little to no weight to me.

They do to me if only for earning more minutes.

[MaNu4Tres]

They do to me if only for earning more minutes.

Theres no minutes to be earned with Tony and Patty infront of him. If there was minutes available, he would have earned them after the Cavs game.

[DPG21920]

Theres no minutes to be earned with Tony and Patty infront of him. If there was minutes available, he would have earned them after the Cavs game.

Nah - you know better than that

[MaNu4Tres]

Nah - you know better than that

When it matters.. or when Patty and Tony BOTH are active -- there's no minutes for him to have. Pops never had a three PG rotation when all three are healthy and suited.

You know Pop by now, he's not playing Murray ahead of Tony, Patty, Green, Manu or Simmons when all are active. Only way he does is if a unit pisses him off or if one gets hurt or one sits.

No matter how well he played in Tony's absence, since Tony has returned Murray has sat and played Mengke Bateer minutes.

[NASpurs]

(Can't post the entire article due to SAEN being faggots)

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/02/16/popovichs-request-to-dejounte-murray-study-chris-paul/ (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/02/16/popovichs-request-to-dejounte-murray-study-chris-paul/)

Popovich’s request to Dejounte Murray: Study Chris Paul


Gregg Popovich has officially issued the film challenge to rookie Dejounte Murray. It’s the same challenge given to and accepted by Kawhi Leonard.

Study the greats. Incorporate the knowledge. Improve your game.

Before Leonard was given the green light from Popovich, the coach showed him film of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Bruce Bowen and even Charles Barkley. Popovich wanted Leonard to absorb how some of the best competed. Leonard did exactly that, and mixed with hard work, the results are currently on display.

As Murray is in the middle of his rookie season, Popovich wants him to study Chris Paul, one of the best point guards in the NBA.

[gambit1990]

^murray could really study cp3 if the spurs ditch parker and sign paul this offseason.

[SAGirl]

I couldn't resist a bit to troll.... didn't he issue this challenge to Tony?
:lol
It's too tempting!.!

[Chinook]

I wonder if Pop is trying to get iron from ore here by trying the Kawhi method on Murray, or if he truly sees that rare upside in him. I find it odd that the Spurs weren't happier he fell if Pop truly thinks Murray could be "great", but then again they did try trading up for him.

[Chinook]

I couldn't resist a bit to troll.... didn't he issue this challenge to Tony?
:lol
It's too tempting!.!

He did, and Tony responded. Wonder how many times Pop does this without it being report? He Pop pull Daye aside and show him film of Horry? Did he urge Cory to study Nash?

It would be very exciting if Murray's the third rookie Pop's done this to.

[gambit1990]

When it matters.. or when Patty and Tony BOTH are active -- there's no minutes for him to have. Pops never had a three PG rotation when all three are healthy and suited.

You know Pop by now, he's not playing Murray ahead of Tony, Patty, Green, Manu or Simmons when all are active. Only way he does is if a unit pisses him off or if one gets hurt or one sits.

No matter how well he played in Tony's absence, since Tony has returned Murray has sat and played Mengke Bateer minutes.
good job shutting dpg down :tu

[SAGirl]

He did, and Tony responded. Wonder how many times Pop does this without it being report? He Pop pull Daye aside and show him film of Horry? Did he urge Cory to study Nash?

It would be very exciting if Murray's the third rookie Pop's done this to.
lol
I didn't know that. Interesting... nor Daye, nor the Cory thing... but Cory in the Canadian team had chances to learn from Nash himself... by the way, he improved his confidence a lot through international play.
It was still funny.

There were actually a lot more interesting things in the article than what was shared... like how Pop explicitly told the reporter Murray is not going to get the playing time that he wants with Tony and Patty right now playing.... we can spin this however.. but Patty remaining in the team is in doubt.

[SAGirl]

I wonder if Pop is trying to get iron from ore here by trying the Kawhi method on Murray, or if he truly sees that rare upside in him. I find it odd that the Spurs weren't happier he fell if Pop truly thinks Murray could be "great", but then again they did try trading up for him.
I am not sure what you mean here... maybe this is just musings.

I thought there is almost an admission from Coach that the reason he's not playing more is that Tony and Patty are in the team... thus he has time "to coddle" Murray.... his words... not mine.

They don't need him right now to play that much so they are working in fundamentals, concepts, learning, observing, etc. I think next season is when the real tough coaching will start. It's debatable among ourselves this approach. Some could say it basically wastes his rook season in a classroom. Heck guys blast Anderson in here for being 3 seasons in the league but he really barely played his 1st season as that team was trying to repeat and returned all 14 guys. I really only consider last season the first one Anderson got through Pop's really tough coaching, when he was getting benched for entire games after a single mistake, etc. we all saw it.

I think we shall see the tougher Pop on Murray next season.. but if needed it could have well been this season. Pop just has Tony and Patty and Manu, etc.

[gambit1990]

tony should be sitting out damn near every other game, we we already know what he brings to the court :rolleyes

[Chinook]

I am not sure what you mean here... maybe this is just musings.

The response I gave to your quote is more on target to what I meant with this one. Essentially I'm wondering if Pop believes the "Kawhi method" is just the best way to get the most out of rookies, or if he's telling Murray to study the greats because he thinks Murray has a similar potential. The Spurs were uber-secretive about Kawhi and traded up for him. They seemed happy Murray fell, but not as overjoyed as you'd assume they'd be if they just got another star. However, they did try trading up and went through Rich Paul's hoops to have an interview with DeJounte, so maybe...

[SAGirl]

The response I gave to your quote is more on target to what I meant with this one. Essentially I'm wondering if Pop believes the "Kawhi method" is just the best way to get the most out of rookies, or if he's telling Murray to study the greats because he thinks Murray has a similar potential. The Spurs were uber-secretive about Kawhi and traded up for him. They seemed happy Murray fell, but not as overjoyed as you'd assume they'd be if they just got another star. However, they did try trading up and went through Rich Paul's hoops to have an interview with DeJounte, so maybe...

They have said they went to the 2011 draft looking for a wing with size. Once they got Kawhi they encouraged and fed his desire to be great. Murray has that same desire. (And Simmons and Anderson too... Simmons has spoken overtly about wanting to be an elite player in the league and Anderson has said he wants to be a good overall player. They have ceilings whether bc of athleticism in Anderson or just simply probably getting into the league late in their careers... Simmons and thus not having that much time to get better and achieve his potential when he should be on it right now.) From what I have seen the coaches do encourage all players to reach their full potential and I think they haven't kept it a secret that they think Murray can be great... or that Davis has potential to be so much more than Bonner (that one statement was from Manu). Now, what they are able to achieve no one knows. Kawhi was/is special. Pop has said aside from all his physical tools, etc.. he had/has an uncanny ability to learn and absorb like a sponge and that is special.

I don't think Danny doesn't dribble better bc he doesn't try to work on that for example. I think they all try to be better and are fed by the coaches into their desire to keep improving. That is the only way to really have everyone inspired to reach a championship if we are honest. I don't think they go in there putting ceiling on guys... specially younger guys.

Now, whether Dijon will be able to learn and absorb like a sponge the way Kawhi did, we don't know yet. It's too soon... he's not playing enough to begin with, nor is he getting the tough coach Pop right this second. I think we have seen him get hooked out in garbage time bc Pop is teaching him, but sometimes he's left to run a bit wild out there bc frankly he plays so little. Next season I would expect Pop to be very demanding.

[Chinook]

My concern about all this, and I know people are keen to misinterpret it, is that Murray is going to have to separate the meta part of his development from his actual development. He shouldn't really be talking about Pop's motivational style, because that creates emotional distance from it.

Murray is getting pulled due to making mistakes. But he's still making those. The best explanation is that he's young and blah blah. And once he learns, Pop will give him more slack. But you can't just think "Once I learn, I'll get minutes." And players have done that before. It's going to be even worse post-Kawhi, because it actually worked out for him. Now other guys are gonna look at Kawhi and assume they'll be that good. Sure, they'll think things like "If I work." But that's not good enough.

Kawhi didn't have to worry about being the "next Kawhi" because he was the first Kawhi. In that regard, Murray's going to have to be the first Murray. He and Pop will need to forge a unique relationship that shouldn't be so easy to recognize from top down. He can only follow his path, and I hope he realizes that and doesn't get caught up in looking over at Kawhi or Tony at similar stages. The same is true with d-leaguers and Green or LMA and Tim.

[SAGirl]

The answer he gave was prompted. Reporters were fishing for a soundbite. That's why I mentioned it maybe he's not analyzing a goddamn thing but if they ask you... well what are you going to say if you are a 20 year old rook? that Pop is top notch... bc nothing else he would say frankly would be fine except for that... That is why I said the chuckle gave it away.

Kawhi can inspire guys not even in the Spurs. I think Winslow in Miami mentioned him as an inspiration bc himself, he is a wing with size that came into the league with mostly defensive upside. Aaron Gordon? The same. Not everyone can be Kawhi but it is a testament to Kawhi that younger players than him coming into the league look at his improvement for inspiration. If anything that is one of the most remarkable things in basketball lately, that he has been able to absorb and improve every season to that degree. (Something Pop mentioned seasons ago.. his statement about Kawhi's ability to learn being special that I cited was made after Kawhi's 2nd or 3rd season I believe. You could see his improvement then but he was not yet this guy putting up 30 + points a night when his team needs them)....

Kawhi is just an aspiration to be great... and that you don't have to be drafted no. 1 to be the top player in the league if anything. Murray actually also mentioned Tony early in the summer as an inspiration and looks up to him (actually in that same statement in that article that he mentioned Chris Paul as a guy to model his game, but he actually mentioned Tony first). The Tony hater will scowl... but Murray is learning from Tony.

I don't see anything poor with his statements. Again, we are not seeing the tough coaching this season bc he's barely playing and to a degree Pop has to watch him play first to then correct and suggest, and fix things. Maybe behind closed doors he gets all the coaching, but right now he plays so little it's hard to tell much and they also have to let him make those mistakes to then show him film and point out things. Whether he can learn or not we don't know, that is what separates the greats from the roleplayer. Pop mentioned showing him Chris Paul but also recognized that Murray has to be himself. What he is.. heck Pop didn't know... he didn't even look like a pure PG and sometimes still doesn't look it.

We could say they are getting acquainted, which is different than getting a rook like Davis who came into the league with a game fully formed and forged in Europe, that I think Pop wants to expand. Heck Pop still doesn't know what to do with Anderson if we are honest. And then there is the old adage: that it's the players themselves who tell you and show you what they are. Murray's time is likely to come next season for better or worse.

We could say they twiddled thumbs with him his rook season. If he's not playing there is not that much to see him get struggle with.

[SpursforSix]

If they believe he's the PG of the future, they need to play him now. And not waste 2 more years of KL in his prime. Throw Dejonunte out there and see if he develops enough to be able to start him next year. I sure hope Pop's motivation for not playing him more is to avoid a PG controversy for Parker's last year.

[SAGirl]

If they believe he's the PG of the future, they need to play him now. And not waste 2 more years of KL in his prime. Throw Dejonunte out there and see if he develops enough to be able to start him next year. I sure hope Pop's motivation for not playing him more is to avoid a PG controversy for Parker's last year.
What Pop said:

“He’s not going to get all the minutes he wants with Patty (Mills) and Tony here at this point,” said Popovich. “His future is going to be bright, but everything he can do right now to better his game is important. Right now, watching those guys is a big part of that.”

Seems to me without explicitly saying what the spot he can fill is... they do see a bright future... but not right now. Twiddling thumbs is what I said. Not much to see right now.

:pop:This season is not for Murray.

[SpursforSix]

What Pop said:


Seems to me without explicitly saying what the spot he can fill is... they do see a bright future... but not right now. Twiddling thumbs is what I said. Not much to see right now.

:pop:This season is not for Murray.

Right. So the question is...does Pop stick with Parker next season? Or will he actually have the balls to make TP a sub? And LOL at Murray learning anything from watching Mills. I like Mills but he's not a starting caliber PG. He's been here for years and still seems to be out of place at times.

[dabom]

Right. So the question is...does Pop stick with Parker next season? Or will he actually have the balls to make TP a sub? And LOL at Murray learning anything from watching Mills. I like Mills but he's not a starting caliber PG. He's been here for years and still seems to be out of place at times.

You're a dumbass if you think he can't learn anything from patty.

[SAGirl]

Right. So the question is...does Pop stick with Parker next season? Or will he actually have the balls to make TP a sub? And LOL at Murray learning anything from watching Mills. I like Mills but he's not a starting caliber PG. He's been here for years and still seems to be out of place at times.
Who knows?
I don't know TBH. I wanted Murray to get more time this season myself.
And I think if they don't reup Mills for next season, I have thought they do make Murray the backup PG but put a more veteran guard next to him to help him out.

That is the extent of my crystal ball.

If Tony falls off a cliff more.. or gets injured for an extended period it changes things. Things happen in sports. I don't follow football TBH, but I now live next to Dallas and well we know how Dex got his chance with the cowboys. If Tony doesn't recover this season we could have seen more Murray. He was doing well starting games, despite the occasional still shaky play here or there. I think he's going to get his chance next season and go from there. And this season is not over... but it's not encouraging he is playing this little and reading Pop this confident that he's fine with his guards and leaving Murray in the classroom basically.

In the future Tony could potentially help the bench out and Murray could be starting is a possibility too. As much as starting might be the more "cache" spot... I think Murray being a bench PG could be tougher... the reason is that the starters already have Kawhi, Pau and Lamarcus... all veteran offensive players who can get their own shots and create and thus the burden is lessened for Murray. In the bench, he'd have lesser players and be tasked with more, specially scoring on his own and running things, bailing out possessions etc. In the context of the team the bench PG might have the tougher task in the future, it could be good for the bench if Tony helped them out.

[SpursforSix]

You're a dumbass if you think he can't learn anything from patty.

Go lick some butt somewhere.

[MultiTroll]

We get it Pop. You're in control.

[MultiTroll]

Coddle? :lol
Who asked to be coddled? Certainly not Dejounte.

The over reverence to Chrissy Paul is a bit nauseating too.
Regular season Chrissy? Fine. Control freak playoff Chrissy.
Ya Pop he really needs another control freak.

I'd say study tape of Steve Nash.
Jesus.

[Chinook]

The answer he gave was prompted. Reporters were fishing for a soundbite. That's why I mentioned it maybe he's not analyzing a goddamn thing but if they ask you... well what are you going to say if you are a 20 year old rook? that Pop is top notch... bc nothing else he would say frankly would be fine except for that... That is why I said the chuckle gave it away.

Kawhi can inspire guys not even in the Spurs. I think Winslow in Miami mentioned him as an inspiration bc himself, he is a wing with size that came into the league with mostly defensive upside. Aaron Gordon? The same. Not everyone can be Kawhi but it is a testament to Kawhi that younger players than him coming into the league look at his improvement for inspiration. If anything that is one of the most remarkable things in basketball lately, that he has been able to absorb and improve every season to that degree. (Something Pop mentioned seasons ago.. his statement about Kawhi's ability to learn being special that I cited was made after Kawhi's 2nd or 3rd season I believe. You could see his improvement then but he was not yet this guy putting up 30 + points a night when his team needs them)....

Kawhi is just an aspiration to be great... and that you don't have to be drafted no. 1 to be the top player in the league if anything. Murray actually also mentioned Tony early in the summer as an inspiration and looks up to him (actually in that same statement in that article that he mentioned Chris Paul as a guy to model his game, but he actually mentioned Tony first). The Tony hater will scowl... but Murray is learning from Tony.

I don't see anything poor with his statements. Again, we are not seeing the tough coaching this season bc he's barely playing and to a degree Pop has to watch him play first to then correct and suggest, and fix things. Maybe behind closed doors he gets all the coaching, but right now he plays so little it's hard to tell much and they also have to let him make those mistakes to then show him film and point out things. Whether he can learn or not we don't know, that is what separates the greats from the roleplayer. Pop mentioned showing him Chris Paul but also recognized that Murray has to be himself. What he is.. heck Pop didn't know... he didn't even look like a pure PG and sometimes still doesn't look it.

We could say they are getting acquainted, which is different than getting a rook like Davis who came into the league with a game fully formed and forged in Europe, that I think Pop wants to expand. Heck Pop still doesn't know what to do with Anderson if we are honest. And then there is the old adage: that it's the players themselves who tell you and show you what they are. Murray's time is likely to come next season for better or worse.

We could say they twiddled thumbs with him his rook season. If he's not playing there is not that much to see him get struggle with.

The problem isn't looking up to Kawhi (obviously) or saying whatever to the camera. It comes down to player expectations. The Spurs in general and Pop in particular have a reputation for turning crap into gold or in the very least amplifying talent. Austin Daye screamed into a pillow because he thought he'd be the next Danny Green and become an everyday NBA player after being a fringe guy. Obviously, it wasn't a waste of time for him, but he's overseas now because he learned that Pop isn't a miracle worker. Green didn't succeed because Pop or RC or Chip made him. He's the one who begged for second chance. He's the one who left his overseas team and spent the rest of the lockout working on role-player skills so he could hang onto his spot. To a significantly greater extent, Leonard was the one in the gym, watching film, turning down the USANT to make sure his body was right. He's the one with the natural talent that made him at worst a viable role-player. PATFOACS guided them, but he didn't make them.

I don't think a lot of players, league people or fans REALLY get that. Hell, you had that dude say Kawhi would be at best Otto Porter without Pop. I think Daye believed that. I think the guys who took MKG, RHJ and Winslow believed that. Does Murray? I don't know. I'd like to think not. I have little reason to assume he does. But it's all about framing. Does he think he gets benched because he's young and hasn't paid his dues? Or does he realize that he's benched because he's making mistakes and that he won't not be benched until he stops making those mistakes? Does he know that he's not waiting out Patty and Tony and that he's going to actually have to earn his spot? Even if Patty moves on, the Spurs are very likely to try to bring in another guard. That may be a min dude, or it may be a guy like Teodosic (probably not). We don't know.

With people even in the organization saying he has star potential, can Murray actually "get over himself"? Does Embiid have to get over himself? Nope. Does Ben Simmons? Probably not. It's not even about it being Murray's "fault". There's just a lot that can come up, lots of voices in his head. Having an agent like Rich Paul may well hurt him. Then you factor in that stars really don't have to get over themselves and really can't get over themselves if they are to be true stars in the first place. There's a fine line between being a team player and being selfish enough to lead a team. Kawhi's still trying to figure that out himself, as is even LMA. Jimmy Butler doesn't know how.

Lot to unpack, even if the media is just creating soundbites. Murray's development may be the key to the Spurs being contenders after next season. Definitely worth wondering about how he's taking all of this.

[SpursforSix]

The problem isn't looking up to Kawhi (obviously) or saying whatever to the camera. It comes down to player expectations. The Spurs in general and Pop in particular have a reputation for turning crap into gold or in the very least amplifying talent. Austin Daye screamed into a pillow because he thought he'd be the next Danny Green and become an everyday NBA player after being a fringe guy. Obviously, it wasn't a waste of time for him, but he's overseas now because he learned that Pop isn't a miracle worker. Green didn't succeed because Pop or RC or Chip made him. He's the one who begged for second chance. He's the one who left his overseas team and spent the rest of the lockout working on role-player skills so he could hang onto his spot. To a significantly greater extent, Leonard was the one in the gym, watching film, turning down the USANT to make sure his body was right. He's the one with the natural talent that made him at worst a viable role-player. PATFOACS guided them, but he didn't make them.

I don't think a lot of players, league people or fans REALLY get that. Hell, you had that dude say Kawhi would be at best Otto Porter without Pop. I think Daye believed that. I think the guys who took MKG, RHJ and Winslow believed that. Does Murray? I don't know. I'd like to think not. I have little reason to assume he does. But it's all about framing. Does he think he gets benched because he's young and hasn't paid his dues? Or does he realize that he's benched because he's making mistakes and that he won't not be benched until he stops making those mistakes? Does he know that he's not waiting out Patty and Tony and that he's going to actually have to earn his spot? Even if Patty moves on, the Spurs are very likely to try to bring in another guard. That may be a min dude, or it may be a guy like Teodosic (probably not). We don't know.

With people even in the organization saying he has star potential, can Murray actually "get over himself"? Does Embiid have to get over himself? Nope. Does Ben Simmons? Probably not. It's not even about it being Murray's "fault". There's just a lot that can come up, lots of voices in his head. Having an agent like Rich Paul may well hurt him. Then you factor in that stars really don't have to get over themselves and really can't get over themselves if they are to be true stars in the first place. There's a fine line between being a team player and being selfish enough to lead a team. Kawhi's still trying to figure that out himself, as is even LMA. Jimmy Butler doesn't know how.

Lot to unpack, even if the media is just creating soundbites. Murray's development may be the key to the Spurs being contenders after next season. Definitely worth wondering about how he's taking all of this.

This is a well thought out post.

All I'm saying is that sometimes Pop should let him make a couple of mistakes on the court and leave him out there and give him a chance to figure it out. I'm sure that Murray recognizes when he makes a mistake. At least the obvious ones. Let him play through it and see if he can learn on his own sometimes. Especially in a game that's already decided. And in some that aren't. See how he responds.

[SAGirl]

Definitely... that is why Apalisoc and a few other fans criticize the Temple of Pop (Does it have members, the media is a first row Church of Pop member I think).
He gets credited for far too much of the success of his players to the point that some doubt what Kawhi would have made of himself without Pop. I think it's a synergistic relationship, a bit of both. Both the coach coercing the best out of the player and putting him in what he thinks are the best spots and pushing, always pushing him to be the best, but it's the player who performs. And it's actually the Spurs' themselves who play for each other and look for each other to make each other better and deal with their own egos. Pop can bench somebody for selfish play but if he doesn't have the support of his guys that strategy backfires. Heck, why doesn't that work anywhere else? Bc it's really the guys own desire to be the best team and understanding what it takes that allows things like that to happen and for them to handle it.

Murray is just 20. It's on him for sure. If anything the better learning experience comes from watching Manu, Tony, Kawhi and those guys. Last season I read Green helped Anderson with his defense for example, and stayed after a workout to work with him on deficiencies... (and still guys in here argue his defense is product of the system..or doubt his work ethic)... Anyways, the only reason I cite that is that it came in from Anderson's own interest to get better to improve deficiencies and that the guy teaching him was Danny, another player, not Pop or any coach. Who better to understand where Anderson was failing and what he could do? Heck Danny also dealt with the Pop moods about defensive assignments. I like to read stories like that. In fact there is not enough asked about things of this nature and too much credit going to the Pop shrine.

Murray is in a good environment surrounded by both veterans and young players who have been there before. One of the guys who supported Anderson the most through his rook season spent in the dleague, which to the degree that he was away could make him feel like not even a part of the team, and that he was working on was really not relevant at all was.... sure enough? You won't be surprised: CoJo.

Anyways, this is just a lot of verbosity to say that they simply asked about Pop. We rarely see glimpses like the one above unless we see a tweet (which I did in Kyle's rook season back then, only reason I learned about that)... or some reporter is specific in questions about what he's doing to try to get better. I don't even recall what prompted Danny to mention he was helping Anderson with his defense, but unless a reporter asks.. those things are left unsaid. We don't know what Dijon is working on or with who. Apparently it seems like Pop has him watching videos and observing. I suspect there is more that he's doing and is likelyleft unsaid... In training camp he once mentioned he's learning from everybody and said that even from guys in his group, the third team or whatever it was could teach him things and he mentioned Forbes. The media didn't follow up with a question on what he was learning from Forbes, but I'd assume off the ball play, and specially shooting where he came in with huge deficiencies.

It's funny Pop would mention Mills too, bc off the ball play is probably something he'd like Dijon to learn too (if he's playing with both Lamarcus and Kawhi, some off the ball play is going to be present)... The media is too superficial and only looks for soundbites nowadays.

[TheDoctor]

The Tony hater will scowl... but Murray is learning from Tony...

Of course he's learning from Tony. To motherfucking eat.

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A weighty proposition for one Spurs rookie: (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/A-weighty-proposition-for-one-Spurs-rookie-9538424.php)

Murray admits that he has become acquainted with the local Whataburger chain...

Also from Tales of a Porky:

Tony Parker turns into such a food-driven player (http://www.sacurrent.com/Flavor/archives/2016/03/15/eat-like-tony-parker-the-spurs-point-guard-on-french-food-in-sa-and-why-youll-want-to-eat-at-creme-de-la-creme)



What do you eat during the off-season?
I eat everything. I have no preference. I love to eat, I just eat everything.




Murray's gluttonous version:
...give me chocolate shakes, Murray said. I don’t like the other flavors, but I like the chocolate ones.

[skulls138]

Im copying what someone has already said but Tony is doing alot of assisting lately, something everybody (generalization) complained about him not doing, but he still he gets shit not living up to their expectations. Tony isnt what he used to be, even though people like to revise history even on that, but hes crafty and sans the Knick game, either puts up double digit scoring or leads the team in assists. Add to that our motherfucking record and I get a deep sense of people taking things for granted.

Having loyalty to what got you here is not just the right thing to do but it makes sense success wise. What if you start putting Murray in and it doesnt pan out. What if hes not that great of a passer. What if he cant shoot the outside jumper and they lay off him, daring him to shoot it. "Uh Parker we're sorry, you can play now". You now have set Murrays career back and alienated Parker.

Murray has great natural talent but not cultivated in the right way can back fire and set up bad habits that are hard to correct. Hes young and wants success so bad that he'll over rely on his natural talent and a crafty vet or coach will know how to use that against him. He needs to learn to be crafty himself to go along with that talent if he wants to be special. With our record the way it is, why be desperate?

[Chinook]

It's easy to get Murray playing time without alienating Tony: Just rest Parker/Mills/Manu. Despite what some people say, he should be the principle sub for all three guys, so if you stagger their rest (the RRT would have been a perfect time for it, but there will be more opportunities), you could probably give him a handful of consecutive matches of rotation minutes without really diminishing anyone's role. If he is too good to drop then, then you think about resting Simmons and seeing if that's a permanent spot for the year. Likely, it won't be, however. Murray's going to have to be much more consistent scoring to make up for his erratic D and sloppy PG play at times. That's not an insult to him; it's just a fact about where he is right now. He just doesn't seem to have the body to play the way he needs to play to be an everyday rotation guy.

[skulls138]

Looking at Murray, he has the potential to be awesome but Pops is going to be loyal. Simmons and Anderson have both croaked the bed on games but Pops keeps giving them chances and then they come through. Thats building a trust and comfort level for everybody, even Murray, knowing when he gets his shot, hes going to be allowed to fail.

Having said that, by all means play him when you can.

[apalisoc_9]

Poopvich coached Leonard differently than any other player, there is no way Poop is going to coach anyone similar to how he coached kawhi..

The guy played significant minutes as a rookie and was way too good that they had to trade a very expensive Richard Jefferson.

Parker as a 19 year old despite his flaws, IIRC, was also more ready than this murray plus he didnt have to run that many plays with how basic that offense was.

Pop was always praiseful ( franchise player comments in kawhi sophomore year) of Kawhi and Manu...

[apalisoc_9]

Looking at Murray, he has the potential to be awesome but Pops is going to be loyal. Simmons and Anderson have both croaked the bed on games but Pops keeps giving them chances and then they come through. Thats building a trust and comfort level for everybody, even Murray, knowing when he gets his shot, hes going to be allowed to fail.

Having said that, by all means play him when you can.

Loyalty is a factor but If you are good enough it wont be enough of a factor. Richard Jefferson was still here in his rookie year and Poop still had Jackson in Leonard rookie year.

Murray has tons of potential but is so erratic. I suspect the comment about watching chris paul stems from the fact that Paul is probably the most controlled PG i have ever seen my whole life

[Chinook]

Loyalty is a factor but If you are good enough it wont be enough of a factor. Richard Jefferson was still here in his rookie year and Poop still had Jackson in Leonard rookie year.

Murray has tons of potential but is so erratic. I suspect the comment about watching chris paul stems from the fact that Paul is probably the most controlled PG i have ever seen my whole life

Yeah, as I said, Murray's going to have to earn his spot in the rotation. I fully expect to see the team have another vet PG if Mills goes elsewhere. I don't think Pop has any qualms about keeping Murray on the bench for years until DeJounte can show he's going to be a consistent backup. Murray once tweeted/instagramed that "nothing was given". Let's hope he honestly believe that.

[MaNu4Tres]

Loyalty is a factor but If you are good enough it wont be enough of a factor. Richard Jefferson was still here in his rookie year and Poop still had Jackson in Leonard rookie year.

Murray has tons of potential but is so erratic. I suspect the comment about watching chris paul stems from the fact that Paul is probably the most controlled PG i have ever seen my whole life

You're wrong.

Loyalty factor doesn't factor in with RJ. He didn't garner the respect Tony and Mills currently do. They were disappointed in him from the start.

Plus, Kawhi had to play. Spurs were super thin at the SF position his rookie year. If Spurs had 35 yr old Bruce Bowen ( Tony), and and 30 year old Elliott backing up Bowen (Mills), then Kawhi ( Murray) would have been in the same boat Murray is right now.

[SAGirl]

Loyalty is a factor but If you are good enough it wont be enough of a factor. Richard Jefferson was still here in his rookie year and Poop still had Jackson in Leonard rookie year.

Murray has tons of potential but is so erratic. I suspect the comment about watching chris paul stems from the fact that Paul is probably the most controlled PG i have ever seen my whole life
It's not just that. I suspect it was aimed at knowing what he was doing. Being purposeful. Knowing how you are defended, who is going to be open, just being methodical and smart with his drives. Right now he gets swarmed at times bc he doesn't pay attention where his guys are, sometimes he tries to penetrate from one side of the fort where there are two or more guys parked that help can come from. He can direct others to relocate to get more space, etc. He's not being that smart with what he's doing. It seems Pop wants him to be a bit more cerebral, my interpretation.

Manu was already an experienced player when he joined the Spurs... even without comparting talent he was older and had been winning for a few years already. Murray was in a terrible Washington team losing games in college in part bc he couldn't shoot worth a lick and wouldn't stop trying but that wasn't the only thing. He's got a lot to learn. Pop even mentioned as much as Tony was also young he had also been playing professionally for some years and competing internationally since very young. Murray is a kid in terms of development... just no comparison.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, as I said, Murray's going to have to earn his spot in the rotation. I fully expect to see the team have another vet PG if Mills goes elsewhere. I don't think Pop has any qualms about keeping Murray on the bench for years until DeJounte can show he's going to be a consistent backup. Murray once tweeted/instagramed that "nothing was given". Let's hope he honestly believe that.
He's not going to post it if he doesn't believe it. He's seen it first hand. Kyle and Simmons playing is no Pop gift. They earned that chance. Simmons improved a lot from one season to the next and Kyle is just solid at what he does and still a young developing player, who also improved from one season to the next and he's earned his chance. Pop playing him as a SG was never about him and that's something Pop knows.

Davis has played professionally since he was 15, that's why I mentioned he's not the same type of rook. Murray started the 15th guy. Pop had Nico in the team bc he wasn't trusted. He's earned the 3rd spot. Pop is the one setting a barrier saying while Tony and Mills are in the team he goes no further. That was a Pop statement. Maybe he can go further if given the chance but this season is not that time. That's what Pop is saying. Pop not Murray.

[SAGirl]

He's getting his chance next season. They have to move him along same as they did Anderson and CoJo at a time without even getting to discuss talent. I think just in their timing and scheduled progression they have to move him along his second season. Maybe they get a Rasual Butler type for him to beat out (PG version) same as they did for Anderson and Simmons but he will get his chance. What he does with that is on him. I don't expect him to fail that. Neither CoJo nor Anderson failed to get their options picked up and rookie deals are so cheap that I think Spurs envision having him his 4 seasons in his room deal if he progresses along some sort of schedule.

Murray has a skill Spurs need which makes it more likely that he can really become a significant contributor. But it's on him for sure and it won't just be handed to him. I am sure that's being made clear. But has he really gotten a chance for a roster spot this season? Nah. Since the draft night they said they didn't expect much from him this year.

[SAGirl]

“With Dejounte, it’s about minutes,” head coach Gregg Popovich told Michael C. Wright (http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0605914761254671843-4) of ESPN. “The more minutes he gets, the better. He’ll still play some minutes in the D-League. I don’t think it’ll do him much good just to sit on our bench the whole time. He needs to get repetitions in the pick-and-roll, make decisions on a fast break, all that sort of thing. He’ll still do double-duty in a sense. But I just think his potential is off the charts because he is so willing, he’s so young, and he’s got so many physical attributes. We just need to work on his skills and stick with him.”
http://www.inquisitr.com/3832608/nba-rumors-san-antonio-spurs-looking-for-front-court-help-after-waiving-nico-laprovittola/

[Mr. Body]

Why doesn't he get more minutes, then?

[gambit1990]

hopefully tony sits out a game or two w that knee issue...

[LaMarcus Bryant]

He needs to start a few games like hill did and we're running out of time

[SpursforSix]

He needs to start a few games like hill did and we're running out of time

:pop: I'd rather wait until Leonard's on the downside.

[gambit1990]

spurs just tweeted that parker is questionable for tomorrow.

[OrEmuN]

Any playing time that Pop is able to crave out for Murray is much welcomed.
Hope that Spurs can seal up 2nd seed earlier and let Murray play more.

[MultiTroll]

Just watched the beautiful driving left handed banker layup in the late 2nd qtr vs Kings.
With very good defense on him.
Did not get into game until it was like 54-29 Kings. Porker n Patty.

Unreal he is being held back. :pop:

[MultiTroll]

Murray was sidelined with a strained left groin, missing his first game of his rookie season due to injury.

Vs Golden State.

[Mr. Body]

Too bad. He could have easily missed as many shots as McCaw did.

[MultiTroll]

Can one of you SpursTalk women posters do a groin exam on Murray and tell us how long it's going to be?

[Ron Swanson]

Pop says it's 2-3 more weeks for Murray.

[spursistan]

Pop says it's 2-3 more weeks for Murray.
His season is basically over..

PATFO confidence in their current PG rotation is downright irresponsible....they have seen Parker miss 20 games already..What is their backup plan if he can't go in playoff games? 40 minutes of Paddy :lol..

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, we're in a shitty position at PG. What's Speedy Claxton been up to lately?

[sasaint]

His season is basically over..

PATFO confidence in their current PG rotation is downright irresponsible....they have seen Parker miss 20 games already..What is their backup plan if he can't go in playoff games? 40 minutes of Paddy :lol..

Two words: Bryn. Forbes.

[Cklbmk]

His season is basically over..

PATFO confidence in their current PG rotation is downright irresponsible....they have seen Parker miss 20 games already..What is their backup plan if he can't go in playoff games? 40 minutes of Paddy :lol..


Kyle Anderson will save us!

[TheGreatYacht]

His season is basically over..

PATFO confidence in their current PG rotation is downright irresponsible....they have seen Parker miss 20 games already..What is their backup plan if he can't go in playoff games? 40 minutes of Paddy :lol..
:lol

As big of a problem as that is..... our SG problem might be even worse..

PATFO :lmao

[palangi]

:lol

As big of a problem as that is..... our SG problem might be even worse..

PATFO :lmaoMight nothing. It is much worse

[spursistan]

:lol

As big of a problem as that is..... our SG problem might be even worse..

PATFO :lmao

Most overrated front office in the entire league relative to the plaudits it receives..

Since 2012, they haven't done anything of note in the draft/trade market/the scrap heap of NBA that would come to move the needle for them down the road..The Diaw pickup was the last of such sneaky moves that paid dividends in curcial playoff moments..

A Murray-type player should have been drafted like 3 or 4 years ago..For them to restructure this embarrassing back-court, they have got to get bold -- ie. parting with one (or more) Parker/Mills/Green ..

[dabom]

Most overrated front office in the entire league relative to the plaudits it receives..

Since 2012, they haven't done anything of note in the draft/trade market/the scrap heap of NBA that would come to move the needle for them down the road..The Diaw pickup was the last such sneaky moves that paid dividends in curcial playoff moments..

A Murray-type player should have been drafted like 3 or 4 years ago..For them to restructure this embarrassing back-court, they have got to get bold -- ie. parting with one (or more) Parker/Mills/Green ..

Cutting the timeline right before giving up ghill for a generational talent to fit your narrative. :lmao

[TXstbobcat]

Yeah, we're in a shitty position at PG. What's Speedy Claxton been up to lately?

i think he is still an assistant coach at Hofstra. How about johnny Moore??? :lol

[SAGirl]

It was posted in a recent game thread but for update:
Murray is out 2 to 3 weeks with a pelvic bone injury that was called a groin injury that has been slower to heal than expected. His season may be over prematurely.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-notebook-Rookie-Murray-remains-shelved-11013359.php?t=a0a70eb489927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

When Dejounte Murray went into halftime of the Spurs’ loss at Oklahoma City on March 9, he didn’t think much of the discomfort in his hip area.
The rookie point guard hasn’t played since, as he works to rehab an injury the team is calling left groin tightness.
Coach Gregg Popovich said Sunday that Murray could miss an additional two to three weeks, which could unofficially end his season.
“You just try to stay positive,” Murray said before the Spurs’ 118-92 win over Sacramento. “This is the first time something like this happened to me. It’s shocking, because it’s something new to me.”

Murray is progressing in his rehabilitation, but the injury — which Popovich described as a problem with his pelvic bone — has been slower to heal than first expected.
“He’s progressing, but they told me a couple more weeks,” Popovich said. “I asked (Saturday) night and they said, ‘Yeah, he’ll be back in two or three weeks.’ ‘Excuse me?’ It was one of those deals.”

[MultiTroll]

I don't suppose we know the play it happened on?
Or was it one play only?

Do you think Parker did a Tanya Harding on him?

[SAGirl]

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[playbonner15]

Pop 's gonna give Mills more minutes coz playing forbes more is an automatic loss:bang. Maybe they should call up lapro again or Nando?

[gambit1990]

get well soon.

[SAGirl]

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[GSH]

I was really feeling bad for Murray last night. Would have been a great game for him to get some solid minutes. Damn shame this happened when it did.

[MultiTroll]

Praying dog and kid photo.

[TheGreatYacht]

He must eat junk food and drink soda tbh. So brittle this season

[spursistan]

His injury is such bummer..Could have gotten plenty of playing time these last couple of weeks against NBA competition ..

His next action? Summer league :(..

[gambit1990]

latest update i came across:

Murray (groin) will remain out for Tuesday's game against the Grizzlies. Murray has been sidelined for just over two weeks, which hits the early side of his original two-to-three week timetable for a return. It appears he still needs some additional time off for recovery, so until he's able to log a full practice, his return shouldn't be considered forthcoming. The fact that the Spurs have already locked up a playoff seed allows them to take a cautious approach with Murray, so they're likely not in a hurry to push him back into the action. He'll continue to be evaluated on a game-to-game basis, with his next shot to take the court coming Wednesday against the Lakers.

[$pursDynasty]

I was hoping he would heal faster since he is a youngster, such bad timing for his sake and the Spurs. I feel if he would have been available it would have meant an extra win or two for the team and invaluable experience for him.

[loveforthegame]

He's out tonight according to the official injury report.

[$pursDynasty]

dang he might be out till the Summer league :depressed

[kaji157]

Whats his status? I cannot stand another Forbes minute.

[UZER]

Whats his status? I cannot stand another Forbes minute.

Status?

DNP - Pop

[ace3g]

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[MultiTroll]

http://christianfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/little-2Bboy-2Band-2BPraying-2BDog.jpg

[MultiTroll]

Atheists could you give a shout out to the Great Dust Speck or Bowl of Split Pea soup or whatever?

[Ice009]

Wow, this kid really chose the wrong time to get injured. What a shitty time to come back, the last game of the season with probably no chance to be in the playoff rotation. I would have really liked him to earn a spot in the rotation.

[DAF86]

Atheists could you give a shout out to the Great Dust Speck or Bowl of Split Pea soup or whatever?

Flying spaghetti monster, tbh.

[UZER]

Wow, this kid really chose the wrong time to get injured. What a shitty time to come back, the last game of the season with probably no chance to be in the playoff rotation. I would have really liked him to earn a spot in the rotation.

He was never going to play in the playoffs. It was decided before the season started.

[MultiTroll]

Game 2 vs Memphis the Head of the Food Truck by all accounts had a very good game.
But then the meltdown when 19 point lead became 4 point lead, Porker going back to hero ball and a couple super stupid turnovers.
I thought what a perfect time for Murray. :depressed

[gambit1990]

i hope he gets some burn this series...

[$pursDynasty]

i hope he gets some burn this series...
He won't ever even be active unless someone gets injured.

[Mr. Body]

Game 2 vs Memphis the Head of the Food Truck by all accounts had a very good game.
But then the meltdown when 19 point lead became 4 point lead, Porker going back to hero ball and a couple super stupid turnovers.
I thought what a perfect time for Murray. :depressed

Thank God you're not a coach.

[bklynspursfan]

Thank God you're not a coach.

Seriously lol. Idk what he was watching there

[gambit1990]

He won't ever even be active unless someone gets injured.
it's too bad.

[SpursforSix]

He won't ever even be active unless someone gets injured.

Idk. People get injured or killed out of the blue.

[MultiTroll]

Thank God you're not a coach.
The cost for hotels, parties etc for 12 Championships would be too much aye?

[SAGirl]

i hope he gets some burn this series...
He has been in a suit.
Season is over for Dijon unless someone is injured.
Next up for him is summer league and getting ready for next season.

Looking forward to the draft pick from this season too. This summer should be interesting for the team.

[TheDoctor]

...Looking forward to the draft pick from this season too. This summer should be interesting for the team.

LMAO Rrrrright....

That's every Spursfan hope every year, only to end up drafting the same Whirlpoolheads :lmao

[SAGirl]

LMAO Rrrrright....

That's every Spursfan hope every year, only to end up drafting the same Whirlpoolheads :lmao
heh
Kyle has turned into an NBA player whether you like him or not.
Davis and Murray both look like rotation players for next season.
This summer is unknown I will give you that. Considering the Spurs don't have much avenues to add talent outside of a trade... (and some small cap space and some exceptions that they probably will use to reup guys they currently have) I do think they pick up a rook this offseason.. still even if they don't I am excited about the summer.

cheers dude.

[gambit1990]

when we were playing memphis...

i hope he gets some burn this series...

He won't ever even be active unless someone gets injured.

it's too bad.
:wow

last night: 11 points on 50% shooting, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, +33 in 23 minutes.

[illusioNtEk]

This thread going to hit 200 pages by 2025

[spurraider21]

hard to really find a good comparison to him... kinda like rondo but a better scorer and not as good a passer. has the defensive potential to be great

[MaNu4Tres]

Some posters here were adamant that the reason he didn't play was because he wasn't good enough.

Simply not true. Everytime Murray got a relevant opportunity he performed well.

He has an overall package that is rare to find at the PG position. An overall package Tony Parker didn't even possess at 20 yrs old.

The sky is the limit, he's already ready as is, and he's going to get better and better. Can't wait to see what next year has in store for him or hell, next series.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Simply not true. Everytime Murray got a relevant opportunity he performed well.

No, he didn't. There were times that he turned into a chucker, got foul happy, turned the ball over a shit ton, his shot selection was a floater, and all manner of typical rookie malfeasance.

The Spurs just have great player development and he got better. Even within the series. When they started him the first time he dribbled the ball down the court and ran to the corner after passing it to the trailing big. Driving the baseline when unguarded is not that impressive to me.

He needs to work on his outside shot if he is going to take his game to an above average starting level. He does that and gets stronger then he could easily be an all star but he still is on the path and has not remotely arrived.

[Mr. Body]

He's still not ready for full time minutes in the playoffs, only Parker's injury changed that situation. He can definitely produce, good on him, but he'll get us in trouble. Fortunately we don't have to depend on him. Kids a baller.

[daslicer]

His style of play reminds me of Penny Hardaway. He's not as athletic as Penny and is a little smaller height wise since Penny was 6'7 and Murray is 6'5 but outside of that his game is very similar. Also his body frame is very similar to Penny. He has a lot of confidence which borders on arrogance but I think its going to be a huge reason why he'll be a good player. If he works hard he can be a special player.

[spurraider21]

his length and athleticism theoretically could help harass curry... but i have my doubts that pop will trust him much against GSW. he might have too if patty gets torched

[DarrinS]

Game 6 must have been a huge confidence booster for him.

[Mnky]

Kid leads the team in plus minus. Spurstalk said he doesnt play winning ball tho. :depressed

Its just cuz the spurs development that made Danny and Kyle such complete offensive assets.

:lol


Give the kid a break. He's been great and has had a great attitude.. Hes just a kid still too.

[ace3g]

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/18380552_438107376564159_7129997722584612864_n.jpg

[ace3g]

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[picnroll]

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Start with a reliable jump shot.

[Flawless]

Gonna be a hell of a player, really hope he plays a lot more next season.

[ace3g]

Already back at practice facility (Wednesday) putting in some work.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/season-ends-Spurs-Dejounte-Murray-back-in-gym-11173144.php#photo-12969858

[TXstbobcat]

Impressed by Murray's dedication. Excited to see him develop as a future star for the Spurs. :toast

[daslicer]

He has the arrogance along with the talent. If he has a great work ethic then I have to say that he will be great.

[Vito Corleone]

Just to be the voice of reason.

Murray has some talent, but he has a long way to go before he is ready for the All star game.

1. Kid needs to live with Chip England and develop a jump shot.
2. Kid needs to learn how to both run a offense and see the floor.
3. Kid need to seriously hit the weight room and put on about 15 lbs of muscle.
4. Kid needs to learn how to move his feet on defense.

I like the kid, but he is minimum a 3 year project.

[bic50]

Just to be the voice of reason.

Murray has some talent, but he has a long way to go before he is ready for the All star game.

1. Kid needs to live with Chip England and develop a jump shot.
2. Kid needs to learn how to both run a offense and see the floor.
3. Kid need to seriously hit the weight room and put on about 15 lbs of muscle.
4. Kid needs to learn how to move his feet on defense.

I like the kid, but he is minimum a 3 year project.
That's all apart of developing as a player. KL had to go through all that. It just depends on his work ethic.

[Thomas82]

I could see him being a candidate for Most Improved next year.

[tholdren]

Start with a reliable jump shot.

Learn fundamentals. Pass the ball. Dribble past half court. Initiate offense.

[MultiTroll]

Up for 82 games?
I would not have a problem with making sure he gets plenty of rest and doesn't snap a twig.

[spursistan]

Just to be the voice of reason.

Murray has some talent, but he has a long way to go before he is ready for the All star game.

1. Kid needs to live with Chip England and develop a jump shot.
2. Kid needs to learn how to both run a offense and see the floor.
3. Kid need to seriously hit the weight room and put on about 15 lbs of muscle.
4. Kid needs to learn how to move his feet on defense.

I like the kid, but he is minimum a 3 year project.

All of it true, and he is still easily their best non Kawhi/Parker draft pick this century..Long overdue because this team's inability to hit on anything in the late draft from 2012-2015 is one of the reason this Spurs roster is starved of talent on the cheap..A Murray-type should have been drafted 4 years ago..

[TD 21]

All of it true, and he is still easily their best non Kawhi/Parker draft pick this century..Long overdue because this team's inability to hit on anything in the late draft from 2012-2015 is one of the reason this Spurs roster is starved of talent on the cheap..A Murray-type should have been drafted 4 years ago..

Murray types, at least the obvious ones, rarely fall to the late 20's.

At this writing, not counting '12 (pick was traded to Warriors), Jokic is the only significant player they missed on from '13-'15. Best of the rest: Crabbe, Abrines, Lauvergne, Dinwiddie, Grant, D. Powell, Clarkson, Richardson, Nance, Looney, Harrell, W. Hernangomez, Holmes, N. Powell.

[TheGreatYacht]

His new piece :wow IG model Jilly Anais

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[tim_duncan_fan]

Let's hope Tony doesn't see this thread.

[tonight...you]

That's some hotness... Good on him and NOT a Kardashian.

[picnroll]

That's some hotness... Good on him and NOT a Kardashian.

Might be a set back for his groin injury though.

[spurraider21]

did you see how pointy her elbows are?

[tonight...you]

Might be a set back for his groin injury though.
Ha ha ha ha!

[NASpurs]

At least his penetration game is going to be lvl 99.

[tholdren]

Kid leads the team in plus minus. Spurstalk said he doesnt play winning ball tho. :depressed

Its just cuz the spurs development that made Danny and Kyle such complete offensive assets.

:lol


Give the kid a break. He's been great and has had a great attitude.. Hes just a kid still too.

Stfu with the plus minus crap. The kid plays playground basketball and couldnt bring the damn ball up the court. Its fine if you want an oooh aaaah play, but if you want to win....

Props for him being a great finisher at the rim. Thats nice. But so many stupid jr high tendencies.

[ECOV]

Stfu with the plus minus crap. The kid plays playground basketball and couldnt bring the damn ball up the court. Its fine if you want an oooh aaaah play, but if you want to win....

Props for him being a great finisher at the rim. Thats nice. But so many stupid jr high tendencies.

well that's why you practice

[picnroll]

Interesting compilation of all made FGs by Murray this season. In the work to be done category I think pull up jumper can be filed.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/videos/2017/6/1/15726728/watch-every-field-goal-dejounte-murray-rookie-season-spurs

[spurraider21]

At least his penetration game is going to be lvl 99.
but enough about parker's personal life

[bic50]

Really like Murray. Hope he continues to develop

[ace3g]

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[DAF86]

Would rather see the vid of a rack of normal three pointers, tbh.

[Ditty]

Well if he develops that Steph Curry range, he's going to be impossible to guard with the way he is able get to the basket & finish at times.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Well if he develops that Steph Curry range, he's going to be impossible to guard with the way he is able get to the basket & finish at times.

IF

[look_at_g_shred]

Well if he develops that Steph Curry range, he's going to be impossible to guard with the way he is able get to the basket & finish at times.
Pssh all he needs is Kawhi range

[SAGirl]

Tweet was deleted... hm

[Ice009]

Tweet was deleted... hm

What was on the tweet?

[SAGirl]

I never saw it so I don't know.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCQc95qXUAEckXC?format=jpg&name=large

[SAGirl]

Kyle Anderson will join them
I will enjoy the trolling on this one.


Forward Kyle Anderson (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Forward+Kyle+Anderson%22) is also scheduled to work out with Leonard this summer in San Diego, the Express-News has learned.
In addition, Anderson, who will not play on the team's summer league roster, will spend time in the Los Angles area working out with Oklahoma City Thunder (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Oklahoma+City+Thunder%22) star Russell Westbrook (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Russell+Westbrook%22) and New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davis (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Anthony+Davis%22).


http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Dejounte-Murray-train-summer-Kawhi-Leonard-11217510.php
(http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Dejounte-Murray-train-summer-Kawhi-Leonard-11217510.php)

[Chinook]

In addition, Anderson, who will not play on the team's summer league roster, will spend time in the Los Angles area working out with Oklahoma City Thunder (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Oklahoma+City+Thunder%22) star Russell Westbrook (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Russell+Westbrook%22) and New Orleans Pelicans star Anthony Davis (http://m.mysanantonio.com/search/?action=search&channel=sports%2Fspurs&inlineLink=1&searchindex=solr&query=%22Anthony+Davis%22).

Next superteam?

[Snaq O'Meal]

Next superteam?

Only if the league doesn't penalize Kyle for tampering. After all, he's not playing for the Twinks, so normal rules apply.

[BatManu20]

youtu.be/SdqdaJbMiUo

[BatManu20]

youtu.be/r-mUatZk6DI

[SAGirl]

Next superteam?

Kyle shares the same agent with them.

Hopefully it's him doing the recruiting and not the other way around.
Both those guys could use help in the wings while the Spurs have kept Kyle in the deep bench perennially and he's going into a contract season. It could be a good way for him to expand his horizons beyond the Spurs.

[rasuo214]

Kyle Anderson will join them
I will enjoy the trolling on this one.


http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Dejounte-Murray-train-summer-Kawhi-Leonard-11217510.php
(http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-Dejounte-Murray-train-summer-Kawhi-Leonard-11217510.php)

Damn, didn't see this before my post in the other thread.

[TheGreatYacht]

Nice of Kyle to rebound for those guys. Someone had to do it.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully Westbrook's aggression rubs off on Kyle :lol

I would actually like to see Kyle start next year if SA gets CP3 and dumps the right players (Pau/Mills/Dedmon/TP) to do it: CP3 / Danny / Kawhi / Kyle / LMA = BEAST defense.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hopefully Westbrook's aggression rubs off on Kyle :lol

I would actually like to see Kyle start next year if SA gets CP3 and dumps the right players (Pau/Mills/Dedmon/TP) to do it: CP3 / Danny / Kawhi / Kyle / LMA = BEAST defense.
3 non-3pt threats in Fathead, Deadman, and Green? Eh

[tholdren]

Kyle shares the same agent with them.

Hopefully it's him doing the recruiting and not the other way around.
Both those guys could use help in the wings while the Spurs have kept Kyle in the deep bench perennially and he's going into a contract season. It could be a good way for him to expand his horizons beyond the Spurs.

Well hopefully trasitioning from spurs bench to thunder bench will be easy for him.

[BatManu20]

Go get 'em, kid. :lobt2:

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[ace3g]

dejountemurray (https://www.instagram.com/dejountemurray/)No Hype Just All HARD WORK 💯

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVjB3ZVFnlL/?taken-by=dejountemurray&hl=en


https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19367662_1876271702638446_6048387621577555968_n.jp g

[tonight...you]

dejountemurray (https://www.instagram.com/dejountemurray/)No Hype Just All HARD WORK 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVjB3ZVFnlL/?taken-by=dejountemurray&hl=en


https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19367662_1876271702638446_6048387621577555968_n.jp g
We'll see if he's got the yearly PC updates like our robot.. I certainly hope he does. This kid's got tools. Special tools and a mindset that begs for greatness. I want him to kill it in the summer League.

[Mr. Body]

Good that he's in the gym so much. Few players get the opportunity he's about to get with Parker down.

[spursistan]

880875012407918592

Kid is well spoken-- definitely a product of Klutch agency and will be part of the players cliques soon :lol.

[tonight...you]

880875012407918592

Kid is well spoken-- definitely a product of Klutch agency and will be part of the players cliques soon :lol.
When Pop retires, he'll probably be gone. Only reason he respects the club is Lebron smooching Pop's booty.
Trust.

[spursistan]

Good to hear Dejounte already added 5 pounds :tu..

[cd98]

Good to hear Dejounte already added 5 pounds :tu..
He should be training with LMA and D Blair.

[dabom]

Gotta get my weekly dab in.

[dabom]

I'm taking role call on this monastery.

[Mr. Body]

Nah. Don't call us, we'll call you.

[tonight...you]

I'm taking role call on this monastery.
Better give me my props for my truthishness on all things, including our boy we want to kill it so badly.
Old boy's got IT. Now he needs to learn how to deliver IT.

[dabom]

Better give me my props for my truthishness on all things, including our boy we want to kill it so badly.
Old boy's got IT. Now he needs to learn how to deliver IT.

Big donor of this monastery. You can reap the rewards in a couple of years and all of ST will hate you. :lol

[tonight...you]

Big donor of this monastery. You can reap the rewards in a couple of years and all of ST will hate you. :lol
That's my reward? i need to do something else...

[TimDunkem]

I think he's just playing down to his competition, tbh.

We'll see, but I believe in Dejounte.

[tonight...you]

I think he's just playing down to his competition, tbh.

We'll see, but I believe in Dejounte.
You mean he plays more loose with lesser comp and he plays more within the gameplan when it's real. Right?
Like saying, when he's reigned in, he can be a plus guy.

But otherwise? He's a TO machine and misses everything, even from 4 feet in.

I follow you.

[BD24]

the kids gonna be fine. Bunch of dumb asses overreacting to fucking summer league.

[Ice009]

Why isn't he playing much? And why didn't he play at all tonight?

[steeledl]

the kids gonna be fine. Bunch of dumb asses overreacting to fucking summer league.

I agree he will probably be fine.... and by that I mean have a decently long lasting NBA career. But, we are grading on the hype created by Spurstalk... and by the standard, shit don't look good.

[TimDunkem]

Bingo. It was only Spurstalk claiming this kid was untouchable a few weeks ago. It's right for some to now feel a little skeptical about a guy who has more missed shots and turnovers than points or assists in the Summer League. :lol

[SAGirl]

I agree he will probably be fine.... and by that I mean have a decently long lasting NBA career. But, we are grading on the hype created by Spurstalk... and by the standard, shit don't look good.
Dude getting benched in summer league? it doesn't get worse than that tbh...

[steeledl]

Dude getting benched in summer league? it doesn't get worse than that tbh...

Was that officially announced? If so I didn't hear it.


I mean, you don't really bench 1st round picks / prospects in Summer League regardless of how poorly they play (See LJC). More than likely, they didn't play him to A) Send him a message or B) Protect his ego/trade value?


But if you heard otherwise, well shit. lol

[steeledl]

Bingo. It was only Spurstalk claiming this kid was untouchable a few weeks ago. It's right for some to now feel a little skeptical about a guy who has more missed shots and turnovers than points or assists in the Summer League. :lol

To be fair, it was probably overly optimistic Spurs fans in general. Reddit had their fair share of Spurs fans talking about keeping Murray "AT ALL COST". Even when it was regarding possibly acquiring Paul George

[TheGreatYacht]

Bingo. It was only Spurstalk claiming this kid was untouchable a few weeks ago. It's right for some to now feel a little skeptical about a guy who has more missed shots and turnovers than points or assists in the Summer League. :lol
Spurstalk never changes. Once they've shown how they feel about a guy, they won't change their opinion. It happened with Parker throughout his whole career no matter how well he played. Buncha fat necks that have too much ego to admit they might've been wrong...

ST told me Bertans was NBA ready for years now, is shitting the bed so far and receives a free pass.

ST told me Murray was untouchable, is shitting the bed and again receives a pass.

ST declared Forbes a scrub since Day 1, and is now the only player receiving criticism despite outplaying everyone.

[SAGirl]

He has not played well at all, been inefficient and too TO prone for a starting PG. HOwever, he is very young still and has been served some humbling pie. At least he has the right mindset.

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[Seventyniner]

He certainly says all the right things.

Murray could very well be the most important player on the team, in that how much he improves will have the biggest impact on the team's ceiling imo.

[Mr. Body]

Talk is cheap.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Here's a hint, Murray: stop turning the game into a strip joint. There's enough of that in Vegas already.

[hooperflash]

Doing some light recruiting 
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[cd98]

Yikes if LeBron is giving him jump shooting tips.

[DAF86]

Work on that jumpshot and on finishing strong at the rim son, we still have faith. :cry

[TheDoctor]

Talk is cheap.

Do it DJ.

:flag:

[kaji157]

I never understood the hype in this kid or in Forbes or Bertans.
Bertans was indeed a surprise but his defense is really bad, Forbes seems unable to play against NBA size, and denounce played very little.
On the other side summer league means nothing, by summer league standard Kyle Anderson should have had a great session last year, so I will say no more.

[DAF86]

I never understood the hype in this kid or in Forbes or Bertans.
Bertans was indeed a surprise but his defense is really bad, Forbes seems unable to play against NBA size, and denounce played very little.
On the other side summer league means nothing, by summer league standard Kyle Anderson should have had a great session last year, so I will say no more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74X6L0f1sMk

And then he went and performed like this against the defending champions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erffaiamRVo

[emanueldavidginobili]

I still believe in him also. Playing up to your competition is actually a thing. He's going to get a lot of PT the first couple months of the season so I'm not changing my opinion on him until I see him against some real competition

[TheGreatYacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74X6L0f1sMk

And then he went and performed like this against the defending champions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erffaiamRVo
^ same dude that talks shit about Simmons playing his best against the Dubs :lol

Fortunately for Murray, he's not a SG and putting Manu's roster spot in danger

[DAF86]

^ same dude that talks shit about Simmons playing his best against the Dubs :lol

Fortunately for Murray, he's not a SG and putting Manu's roster spot in danger

I talk shit about him sucking, not playing his best against the Warriors, tbh. :lol

[kaji157]

Still you can go around the nba and find a lot of players who had 6-10 good games in a season.
It's consistency what matters the most, and even more at the PG spot.
I am not saying he sucks, just that i don't see him as a great prospect yet and also that summer league performance doesn't matters to me.
We'll see how he does next year.

[DAF86]

Still you can go around the nba and find a lot of players who had 6-10 good games in a season.
It's consistency what matters the most, and even more at the PG spot.
I am not saying he sucks, just that i don't see him as a great prospect yet and also that summer league performance doesn't matters to me.
We'll see how he does next year.

Not among rookies, tbh.

[NickiRasgo]

I don't understand the hate on him and putting Summer League as the basis why he sucks right now. He was decent with the Spurs last season being a rookie. He showed some potential considering he's still raw especially on that Cavs game.

He's just unable to sync with the roster on the Summer League.

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't understand the hate on him and putting Summer League as the basis why he sucks right now. He was decent with the Spurs last season being a rookie. He showed some potential considering he's still raw especially on that Cavs game.

He's just unable to sync with the roster on the Summer League.
The criticism is completely valid. Spurs fans put this guy on the untouchable pedestal and are coming back down to earth.

[NickiRasgo]

The criticism is completely valid. Spurs fans put this guy on the untouchable pedestal and are coming back down to earth.

I rather have him struggling in the Summer League and address it before the regular season starts instead of him killing the Summer League and give a lot of expectation on him before regular season starts.

Not totally bashing Kyle but he's killing the last two Summer League.

[TheGreatYacht]

I rather have him struggling in the Summer League and address it before the regular season starts instead of him killing the Summer League and give a lot of expectation on him before regular season starts.

Not totally bashing Kyle but he's killing the last two Summer League.
I'm just hoping RC Drunkford wasn't one of those idiots that wouldn't give him up in order to get an all star

[jermaine]

Why isn't Murray playing any gms?

[cd98]

Why isn't Murray playing any gms?

I think if he plays it hurts his trade value.

[jermaine]

I think if he plays it hurts his trade value.

I think so too! Him an LMA to who though??

[sasaint]

I think so too! Him an LMA to who though??

I think the Simmons/Chandler was smoke. Could the fire be LMA & Murray to PHX for ?

[Chinook]

Why isn't Murray playing any gms?

Patty played RC.

[jermaine]

I think the Simmons/Chandler was smoke. Could the fire be LMA & Murray to PHX for ?

Sun's have nuttin the Spurs want or need? Chandler stays hurt right? A leg injury right?

[SAGirl]

I think the Simmons/Chandler was smoke. Could the fire be LMA & Murray to PHX for ?

A real possibility. And it could be the holdup is the Spurs won't do straight up LMA/Chandler swap, they want a young prospect from the Suns or a pick. Dijon may be a kind of sweetener Spurs are willing to part with bc while he's got his potential, he's a looooong term project the way he's looking. The trade talks are still ongoing.

[sasaint]

Sun's have nuttin the Spurs want or need? Chandler stays hurt right? A leg injury right?

Yes, Chandler has some injury issues. But the Suns have a couple of nice young PF prospects. And PHX was the Spurs' main competion for LMA in free agency.

[sasaint]

A real possibility. And it could be the holdup is the Spurs won't do straight up LMA/Chandler swap, they want a young prospect from the Suns or a pick. Dijon may be a kind of sweetener Spurs are willing to part with bc while he's got his potential, he's a looooong term project the way he's looking. The trade talks are still ongoing.

As you know (but graciously refrain from reminding me) I have advocated turning the keys over to Dijon since the middle of last season. I hope his SL performance is just his playing down to the competition. But with the stable of backcourt players we are gathering, I would really like to see us move him - if it meant moving LMA and getting a good piece or two in return.

[jermaine]

Yes, Chandler has some injury issues. But the Suns have a couple of nice young PF prospects. And PHX was the Spurs' main competion for LMA in free agency.

Who are these prospects you speak of? I don't watch the Suns. Chandler an Len are the only bigs I knew of there.

[sasaint]

Who are these prospects you speak of? I don't watch the Suns. Chandler an Len are the only bigs I knew of there.

Bender and Chriss. I think Len is a UFA. So he would have to be a S&T.

[SAGirl]

As you know (but graciously refrain from reminding me) I have advocated turning the keys over to Dijon since the middle of last season. I hope his SL performance is just his playing down to the competition. But with the stable of backcourt players we are gathering, I would really like to see us move him - if it meant moving LMA and getting a good piece or two in return.

I like speculations, predictions etc bc they are fun... not to laugh at guys who were bold if/when they get it wrong, after the fact. That is dabom you are talking about. The degree to which guys dig up stuff like that is childish IMO.

Anyways, I disagree he's playing down to his competition. It's possible more of his floaters didn't go in than normal and he had a cold night that game he went 0-10. Having a cold stretch is a real possibility, look at Davis, and we know he can shoot.

However, take away Dijon's inefficiency, assume he'd made 3 of those floaters that one game... and then that is basically what he shot for the season: around 35%. He wasn't that efficient or good in college either. He's just always been an inefficient player. On top of that he's always been TO prone. We have seen those things in the NBA too. I was hoping he'd work on those things and improve and he's so far been the same. I would have liked to have seen him attempt a few jumpshots and not everything be a floater too.

It's not like he has been an efficient, controlled PG in the NBA. He hasn't. Everything he's done wrong in SL we have seen b4. What didn't happen in SL is that we didn't get to see some of the good flashes he's given and it's possible he just had a few bad games offensively, in that respect... and I think that is where he benefited from having better space with better teammates in the NBA and he was being set up for good shots himself with the big club.

The point is he's looked the same as the bad Dijon we have seen at times, with none of his good traits/flashes. It's more likely looking like the nights his floater is falling would be one thing, but that shot is not consistent or good enough right now. He needs to work on that floater more like "tonight... you" said. If that is his go to move, he has to perfect that shit. then he needs to add other things, a jumpshot, etc. and he has to look to finish stronger at the basket for which maybe he needs strength. Basically, he's a looong term project the way he's looking.

the only aspect where I noticed improvement was that he was a more willing passer than his first summer league but that still didn't lead to wins. one could say maybe he didn't take the game seriously but considering he's competing for playing time next season, I don't think he can afford to take things cavalierly.

[sasaint]

I like speculations, predictions etc bc they are fun... not to laugh at guys who were bold if/when they get it wrong, after the fact. That is dabom you are talking about. The degree to which guys dig up stuff like that is childish IMO.

Anyways, I disagree he's playing down to his competition. It's possible more of his floaters didn't go in than normal and he had a cold night that game he went 0-10. Having a cold stretch is a real possibility, look at Davis, and we know he can shoot.

However, take away Dijon's inefficiency, assume he'd made 3 of those floaters that one game... and then that is basically what he shot for the season: around 35%. He wasn't that efficient or good in college either. He's just always been an inefficient player. On top of that he's always been TO prone. We have seen those things in the NBA too. I was hoping he'd work on those things and improve and he's so far been the same. I would have liked to have seen him attempt a few jumpshots and not everything be a floater too.

It's not like he has been an efficient, controlled PG in the NBA. He hasn't. Everything he's done wrong in SL we have seen b4. What didn't happen in SL is that we didn't get to see some of the good flashes he's given and it's possible he just had a few bad games offensively, in that respect... and I think that is where he benefited from having better space with better teammates in the NBA and he was being set up for good shots himself with the big club.

The point is he's looked the same as the bad Dijon we have seen at times, with none of his good traits/flashes. It's more likely looking like the nights his floater is falling would be one thing, but that shot is not consistent or good enough right now. He needs to work on that floater more like "tonight... you" said. If that is his go to move, he has to perfect that shit. then he needs to add other things, a jumpshot, etc. and he has to look to finish stronger at the basket for which maybe he needs strength. Basically, he's a looong term project the way he's looking.

the only aspect where I noticed improvement was that he was a more willing passer than his first summer league but that still didn't lead to wins. one could say maybe he didn't take the game seriously but considering he's competing for playing time next season, I don't think he can afford to take things cavalierly.

At this point I cannot argue with your analysis.

[waisman]

Hanlan is good player .
If SAS traded Murray , SAS should sign Hanlan .

[jermaine]

Bender and Chriss. I think Len is a UFA. So he would have to be a S&T.

Didn't Chriss show our against us?

[$pursDynasty]

I think the Simmons/Chandler was smoke. Could the fire be LMA & Murray to PHX for ?
I was going to say for Bledsoe and Chandler but the whole point of getting Chandler is for LMA so I guess it would have been Bledsoe and Chandler for Juice, Dijon and (Pau) which I could have lived with not sure Pau would though.

[spursistan]

What in the world is going with Murray? Why is his sucky ass sitting out sl games? :lol

[SAGirl]

What in the world is going with Murray? Why is his sucky ass sitting out sl games? :lol

among other speculations that have gone down in the game threads... we are speculating a trade here.

[TD 21]

Don't get what's going on. Think Hardy said he wasn't injured and don't buy that he's sat multiple games because of his supposed attitude. I could see them benching him during a game for that, but that's about it.

People think Paul is the Simmons replacement, but he doesn't fit the third perimeter defender role and unless Ginobili retires, they had enough guards without Simmons . . . could be he's the Murray or Forbes replacement.


A real possibility. And it could be the holdup is the Spurs won't do straight up LMA/Chandler swap, they want a young prospect from the Suns or a pick. Dijon may be a kind of sweetener Spurs are willing to part with bc while he's got his potential, he's a looooong term project the way he's looking. The trade talks are still ongoing.

He also doesn't fit with win now mentality and reality is, when Parker returns, him and Mills will continue to be primary PG's for probably at least 1.5 seasons. Finding a starter at that point shouldn't be overly difficult considering it's the most oversaturated position in the league.

An Aldridge/Murray for Chandler/Bender or Chriss trade, would balance roster better, but destroy '18 flexibility. Team would likely remain about the same, but lose some upside on off chance Aldridge reverts to star form.



Bender and Chriss. I think Len is a UFA. So he would have to be a S&T.

Len is an RFA, but rumor is, he can be had at a less than exorbitant price.

[Chinook]

Paul's arguably as good of a defender as Simmons. With him for guards and Kyle for forwards, the team is fine on that end.

[TD 21]

Paul's arguably as good of a defender as Simmons. With him for guards and Kyle for forwards, the team is fine on that end.

Even if that ends up being true, that doesn't explain their not needing another guard.

Something's got to give. I'll believe Spurs going with 3 traditional bigs and permanent small ball when I see it.

[Chinook]

Even if that ends up being true, that doesn't explain their not needing another guard.

Something's got to give. I'll believe Spurs going with 3 traditional bigs and permanent small ball when I see it.

The Spurs have plenty of potential SFs on their roster (Green, Leonard, Anderson, Gay, Bertans, Blossomgame if he makes it).

Mills, Murray, White, Parker
Green, Forbes, Paul
Leonard, Anderson
Gay, Bertans
Aldridge, Lauvernge

16: Blossomgame

So that leaves two spots open. If they both go to bigs (Gasol and a PF), they'll have a full and balanced rotation, especially considering Parker is currently out.

The Spurs definitely needed another guard. They need an answer to their rotation, and they're going to go throw multiple players to find it. No one in their right mind can say they felt comfortable with the back court as previously projected.

[TD 21]

The Spurs have plenty of potential SFs on their roster (Green, Leonard, Anderson, Gay, Bertans, Blossomgame if he makes it).

Mills, Murray, White, Parker
Green, Forbes, Paul
Leonard, Anderson
Gay, Bertans
Aldridge, Lauvernge

16: Blossomgame

So that leaves two spots open. If they both go to bigs (Gasol and a PF), they'll have a full and balanced rotation, especially considering Parker is currently out.

The Spurs definitely needed another guard. They need an answer to their rotation, and they're going to go throw multiple players to find it. No one in their right mind can say they felt comfortable with the back court as previously projected.

Whether you think Bertans is still an SF or not, it's clear they view him as strictly a PF. If Gay isn't at this point, he's at least closer to it than not.

You're assuming Ginobili retires. He might not and if he doesn't, they don't need another guard. Sure, they need better quality, but not quantity.

What they need, is another traditional big, especially if they still intend to start that way.

[duncan2150]

Whether you think Bertans is still an SF or not, it's clear they view him as strictly a PF. If Gay isn't at this point, he's at least closer to it than not.

You're assuming Ginobili retires. He might not and if he doesn't, they don't need another guard. Sure, they need better quality, but not quantity.

What they need, is another traditional big, especially if they still intend to start that way.

And they can't go with only three real bigs with gasol, aldridge and lauvergne. They will definitely take another big imo.

[Chinook]

Whether you think Bertans is still an SF or not, it's clear they view him as strictly a PF. If Gay isn't at this point, he's at least closer to it than not.

You're assuming Ginobili retires. He might not and if he doesn't, they don't need another guard. Sure, they need better quality, but not quantity.

What they need, is another traditional big, especially if they still intend to start that way.

I've already said that I think they need four guys capable of playing center. I don't disagree that they're small. Yes, I'm not assuming Manu comes back. The team will figure it out if he decides to do so. They are only going to get quality by letting the quantity sort itself out. That's what they need with starting SG and backup PG years back. If Paul comes in and becomes a rotation player, the will be glad they got him. In the mean time, if he is the worst guard in the bunch, the team will cut him and be okay with it.

If you think Bertans and Gay are PFs, then that means the team will play them as such and factor them into their roster counts. So by that definition, the team currently has four bigs with a fifth assumed back. It hardly makes sense to argue that SA considers combo-forwards to be their PFs and then argue that they won't play said combo-forwards at what they consider to be those players' natural spot.

[TD 21]

I've already said that I think they need four guys capable of playing center. I don't disagree that they're small. Yes, I'm not assuming Manu comes back. The team will figure it out if he decides to do so. They are only going to get quality by letting the quantity sort itself out. That's what they need with starting SG and backup PG years back. If Paul comes in and becomes a rotation player, the will be glad they got him. In the mean time, if he is the worst guard in the bunch, the team will cut him and be okay with it.

If you think Bertans and Gay are PFs, then that means the team will play them as such and factor them into their roster counts. So by that definition, the team currently has four bigs with a fifth assumed back. It hardly makes sense to argue that SA considers combo-forwards to be their PFs and then argue that they won't play said combo-forwards at what they consider to be those players' natural spot.

It doesn't make sense to allot so many roster spots to the same caliber of player at the same position and the notion of some sort of ongoing tryout is basically out the window if Ginobili returns and will only be further exacerbated when Parker does.

Could be what gives is what you alluded to: Paul looking bad in training camp/preseason and them "eating" his contract.

They utilized Bertans almost exclusively at PF, but he's a matchup dependant one. They need another traditional, no questions asked one.

[spursistan]

among other speculations that have gone down in the game threads... we are speculating a trade here.

It's very weird..O hey: a Dejounte sighting..Dude seems to be interested to be part of the stars cliques but he is not big shot yet..


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[Mr. Body]

It's very weird..O hey: a Dejounte sighting..Dude seems to be interested to be part of the stars cliques but he is not big shot yet..


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LeBron looks embarrassed to be with two scrubs.

[spurs10]

I'm still wondering why Murray is not playing. Sure needs to be.

[SAGirl]

I'm still wondering why Murray is not playing. Sure needs to be.

To me there are trade talks.. don't know how or where or anything but I keep coming back to that.

[rjv]

I don't buy Murray trade talks for several reasons, the biggest of which being his minimal trade value.

[Mr. Body]

I don't buy Murray trade talks for several reasons, the biggest of which being his minimal trade value.

Maybe LeBron wants him. He's generally a shitty judge of talent.

[SAGirl]

I don't buy Murray trade talks for several reasons, the biggest of which being his minimal trade value.

heh ppl thought Simmons didn't have any and there was a trade that almost got through of him for Tyson Chandler. He could be sweetener to trade someone else. On his own, it doesn't make sense. If it's not a trade talk going, then it doesn't make sense. Even with potential attitude problems, or whatever I had never seen something like this. And he keeps saying the right things, but maybe he doesn't get it.... :huh

[rjv]

heh ppl thought Simmons didn't have any and there was a trade that almost got through of him for Tyson Chandler. He could be sweetener to trade someone else. On his own, it doesn't make sense. If it's not a trade talk going, then it doesn't make sense. Even with potential attitude problems, or whatever I had never seen something like this. And he keeps saying the right things, but maybe he doesn't get it.... :huh
Could be something clandestine or something as simple as Spurs have seen all they need to from Murray for now.

[SAGirl]

Could be something clandestine or something as simple as Spurs have seen all they need to from Murray for now.

That is the simplest explanation, but it's just hard to believe he only played 4 games and averaged 20 minutes overall, while looking like he needs a lot of practice. I thought they wanted to give the limelight to Forbes bc he truly earned it, but Murray could have played the Hanlan role let's be honest. Unless he has an ego and asked out. I'ts just too weird. He needs the experience more than Bertans if we are honest and Bertans played until he got hurt.

[sasaint]

I was going to say for Bledsoe and Chandler but the whole point of getting Chandler is for LMA so I guess it would have been Bledsoe and Chandler for Juice, Dijon and (Pau) which I could have lived with not sure Pau would though.

Pau ain't re-signing to get moved to Phoenix, whereas LMA wanted (wants?) to go there. LMA would be just as happy (happier?) playing with Chandler in Phoenix as he would be playing with him in San Antonio.

[spurs10]

To me there are trade talks.. don't know how or where or anything but I keep coming back to that. This is what I've been wondering. It doesn't make sense him not even getting dressed. The idea of him being a sweetener makes the most sense.

[Snaq O'Meal]

That is the simplest explanation, but it's just hard to believe he only played 4 games and averaged 20 minutes overall, while looking like he needs a lot of practice. I thought they wanted to give the limelight to Forbes bc he truly earned it, but Murray could have played the Hanlan role let's be honest. Unless he has an ego and asked out. I'ts just too weird. He needs the experience more than Bertans if we are honest and Bertans played until he got hurt.

He needs reps, only after showing something new that he has worked hard to incorporate or improve.

They don't need him getting more reps on his high dribble and reinforcing such bad habits.

[Snaq O'Meal]

This is what I've been wondering. It doesn't make sense him not even getting dressed. The idea of him being a sweetener makes the most sense.

He sweetens nothing at the moment.

Other GMs could've had a change of mind and said "fuck your Monastery, give us your Loaded Magazine instead."

[ceperez]

To me there are trade talks.. don't know how or where or anything but I keep coming back to that.

That could also be the reason his agent is parading Murray with Lebron. The optics may improve his stock.

[ceperez]

This is what I've been wondering. It doesn't make sense him not even getting dressed. The idea of him being a sweetener makes the most sense.

Spurs just signed Brandon Paul, I guy that is bigger (not taller) than Murray and with the same wingspan to be perhaps even more effective than Murray in defense.

So people are thinking they did this because of the Simmons contract situation, but perhaps they did this because Murray is gone!

Why aren't they dressing him up for SL team play? I didn't see any injury? Derrek White was injured a couple games back, he rested the previous game, but is now playing. Meanwhile we see Murray being paraded around with Lebron and last year's 1st round pick Simmons. I guess his agent working overtime?

Perhaps there's a deal with the Cavs? Spurs just stole a Cavs SL player. Cavs have some interesting signing like Cedi Osman and Shumpert is on the trading block. Perhaps there's a deal for Aldrige and a sweetener like Murray?

I would however like to see a deal for Marc Gasol. This would be a trade of Aldridge and Murray for Marc and some other scrub.

[venitian navigator]

lma, green and murray for love, shumpert and osman?

[LittleCriminal]

lma, green and murray for love, shumpert and osman?

Lebron for Aldridge and Green?

[duncan2k5]

disappointed in how spurs are handling murray...you cant NOT play the kid, then when you do play him, expect him to operate like a vet...he needs playing time to learn and grow...anyone who has ever played ball knows that the best place to get better is on the court...you shooting and dribbling by yourself wont be the same when you are up aganst people...especially when it comes to decision making...he is 20, and coming off a rookie year where he hardly ever played, and when he did, has shown flashes of greatness, and fearlessness...rookie ginobili did a LOT of stupidness with the ball, as does old ginobili, but he ALWAYS knew he was gonna play, and was given the opportunity to grow his game to where his turnovers werent outweighing his other contributions...play the kid and let him work through his mistakes.....im beginning to think it is true about pop not liking self- confident black americans (Jax, Dedmon, Murray, Simmons) while we had trash ike Umberto starting

[picnroll]

Somebody needs to put this guys picture on a milk carton.

[dabom]

Somebody needs to put this guys picture on a milk carton.

Shut up faggot.

[Mr. Body]

Somebody needs to put this guys picture on a milk carton.

Oh, they know where he is. He's just not a good basketball player.

[dabom]

Oh, they know where he is. He's just not a good basketball player.

He actually has talent faggot.

[Mr. Body]

He actually has talent faggot.

At what, Instagram? Snapchat?

[tholdren]

At what, Instagram? Snapchat?

[sananspursfan21]

It's very weird..O hey: a Dejounte sighting..Dude seems to be interested to be part of the stars cliques but he is not big shot yet..


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What is Lebron wearing? Laugh at Timmy's wardrobe all you want but at least he looked like a man. Lebron and Russell and those guys seriously look like females

[SnakeBoy]

disappointed in how spurs are handling murray...you cant NOT play the kid, then when you do play him, expect him to operate like a vet...he needs playing time to learn and grow...anyone who has ever played ball knows that the best place to get better is on the court...you shooting and dribbling by yourself wont be the same when you are up aganst people...especially when it comes to decision making...he is 20, and coming off a rookie year where he hardly ever played, and when he did, has shown flashes of greatness, and fearlessness...rookie ginobili did a LOT of stupidness with the ball, as does old ginobili, but he ALWAYS knew he was gonna play, and was given the opportunity to grow his game to where his turnovers werent outweighing his other contributions...play the kid and let him work through his mistakes.....im beginning to think it is true about pop not liking self- confident black americans (Jax, Dedmon, Murray, Simmons) while we had trash ike Umberto starting

They tried to play him. SL talent was too much for him, Pop said he's not ready put him back in the oven for another year.

[picnroll]

Murray's going to be the starting PG ....

for the Toros.

[dabom]

At what, Instagram? Snapchat?

Not being a beta bitch like you. :lol

[duncan2k5]

Murray played well against actual NBA talent, but I guess Pop has to show who is boss

[SAGirl]

That mountaintop monastery needs to be taken down a peg...

Dijon ended up as one of the absolute worst players to play in this 2017 summer league.
The advanced stats placed him as 404th of a total of 407 players to play in the summer league in Orlando, Utah and Las Vegas in terms of impact. He was abysmally bad. Might have truly been sat down bc he needed to go back and work on his fundamentals.
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[duncan2150]

People need to realize that he didn't play naturraly during the SL( i watch all the games ) , trying to up His passing game, offcourse the effort was'nt there but i'm not worry about him with 3-4 SL games.