Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[SpurPadre]

Don't make me fuck you up, puto.

Este boludo...

:wakeup

[BatManu20]

Dejounte to the Lakers confirmed.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIaH_dgXsAAl6AI?format=jpg&name=large

[Sugus]

Dejounte looking like the best player on the Spurs.

[duncan2k5]

Dejounte looking like the best player on the Spurs.

He is

[Manu20]

He is easily my favorite Spur since well guess who..lol

Will be interesting to see how many minutes he gets once his load management is lifted and/if he will ever share the court with White. I still don't understand how this two are not playing together at the same time :wtf

[exstatic]

He is easily my favorite Spur since well guess who..lol

Will be interesting to see how many minutes he gets once his load management is lifted and/if he will ever share the court with White. I still don't understand how this two are not playing together at the same time :wtf

OK, you people need to fucking have your realization. It's quite obvious that they are BOTH on minutes restrictions, DJ because of his surgery, and DW because of his overloaded summer. Every minute you play them together is a minute that both will be off the court.

[Mugen]

OK, you people need to fucking have your realization. It's quite obvious that they are BOTH on minutes restrictions, DJ because of his surgery, and DW because of his overloaded summer. Every minute you play them together is a minute that both will be off the court.

Oh you mean like half the games this year where Pop was trotting out Fatty to close halves and had Dejounte/Derrick on the bench? :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

"Thunder at Spurs" https://twitter.com/i/events/1167954154116927489

DJM talks like he's the guy.

[Sugus]

Dejounte was already 2 rebounds shy of a triple double at the end of the 3rd, playing on a minutes restriction, less than 10 games after coming back from a major injury and being sidelined for a year.

[sasaint]

"Thunder at Spurs" https://twitter.com/i/events/1167954154116927489

DJM talks like he's the guy.

I love that about Dijon. We have a huge leadership vacuum, which is about as big a problem as the on-court play. The two are inextricable.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I love that about Dijon. We have a huge leadership vacuum, which is about as big a problem as the on-court play. The two are inextricable.

Absolutely. And the more his game grows, the more willing people will be to follow.

[Collins21]

I just read an article that stated before the game Murray pretty much told Aldridge "You need to play better" this dude has to improve certain aspects of his game but it's clear he's a much better leader than any other player outside of the Big 3.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8-BDugYuxg

[r0drig0lac]

"Thunder at Spurs" https://twitter.com/i/events/1167954154116927489

DJM talks like he's the guy.

he is

[jermaine]

If Murray can hit a midrange at a reliable percentage, an the 3ball at a respectable percentage, he'll be a ray of sunshine on this team. How can you not love this kid thou!?! Pass 1st, loves to play defense, an loves his team 1st. Respects the decisions of his coaching staff like crazy. Pop has gotta new son.

[TDomination]

He definitely became a PG tonight, I love it!
he was adamant about getting Aldridge involved and even said to the media that LMA is too good a player to be MIA. Perhaps Aldridge just needs a confidence booster from an on court leader (Murray) to get his game going. Perhaps Murray will be the guy who starts holding others accountable by holding himself accountable.

it’s a process but he’s got the tools to be a great player and leader.

[Seventyniner]

I just read an article that stated before the game Murray pretty much told Aldridge "You need to play better" this dude has to improve certain aspects of his game but it's clear he's a much better leader than any other player outside of the Big 3.

I think Murray is a better leader than Tony or Manu were, and maybe this take is too hot, but at least for the kind of personalities the Spurs currently have on the team, he could be better than Tim at the same point in their careers.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I think Murray is a better leader than Tony or Manu were, and maybe this take is too hot, but at least for the kind of personalities the Spurs currently have on the team, he could be better than Tim at the same point in their careers.
Yeah that last take was definitely too hot but I do agree DJM could become a better leader than Manu/TP. Manu really was never the leader on the Spurs team nor do I think he ever wanted to, and TP was fucking his teammates wife :hungry:

[tim_duncan_fan]

He's certainly more outspoken than Tim, no question.

In three years, or hell maybe this year, not putting in your best effort will get you lit up by the team's point guard captain.

[duncan2k5]

Murray needs to stop playing passive... He keeps deferring to these washed up guys... He keeps this up he will be just another borderline starting point guard... Aggression is what separates stars from average players... They go out to dominate every night... Bad shooting night or not, they're aggressive... Murray needs to keep moving, keep driving and attacking... Things will open up for everyone else

[Jsmythe]

This article about Dejounte was linked from ESPN:

https://theundefeated.com/features/tony-parker-on-dejounte-murray-the-spurs-are-in-good-hands/ (https://theundefeated.com/features/tony-parker-on-dejounte-murray-the-spurs-are-in-good-hands/)

[lmbebo]

Not really an article of Tony Parker talking about DJM .... its an article about DJM with 1-2 quotes from TP and a short story involving TP ...

[John B]

Dejounte with 29 pts, 7 reb, 7 assists

[r0drig0lac]

Dejounte with 29 pts, 7 reb, 7 assists:hat

[Mugen]

Competed tonight. So many dumb turnovers to start the season but overall I liked what I've seen from him so far.

[John B]

Triple double last week. New career high tonight. The guy is making us a believer :lol

[SpurPadre]

I'm one of the biggest Murray fans here but even I know that he always gets amped against LeBron and that's what tonight was all about. Too bad he didn't get enough help.

[Dejounte]

Lol @ the guys coming for this guy's head during pre-season... in games where he didn't even have a negative impact. People were just LOOKING for something negative to say about him when he clearly has put the work in.

[SpurPadre]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Murray has a bigger ceiling than White and is definitely the more dynamic player on both ends but hopefully they'll both be playing to the best of their abilities simultaneously when White comes back.

[Dejounte]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Murray has a bigger ceiling than White and is definitely the more dynamic player on both ends but hopefully they'll both be playing to the best of their abilities simultaneously when White comes back.

The great thing with White and Murray and our other young guns.... is that they're each different flavors. I don't see any redundant skills and traits. It's all a matter of fitting it altogether, and I'm seeing it slowly one at a time. For a couple plays, I see Keldon and Lonnie play a two man game and it's pretty exciting.

[John B]

Well he responded tonight in Aldridge’s absence. And I think he’s very capable, again when he focuses on scoring. Spurs will need it from him if Aldridge will start to regress

[John B]

The great thing with White and Murray and our other young guns.... is that they're each different flavors. I don't see any redundant skills and traits. It's all a matter of fitting it altogether, and I'm seeing it slowly one at a time. For a couple plays, I see Keldon and Lonnie play a two man game and it's pretty exciting.
Not just two. Lonnie was pretty good facilitating too. And with him, he attacks the basket from off screen, so fast

[SpurPadre]

The great thing with White and Murray and our other young guns.... is that they're each different flavors. I don't see any redundant skills and traits. It's all a matter of fitting it altogether, and I'm seeing it slowly one at a time. For a couple plays, I see Keldon and Lonnie play a two man game and it's pretty exciting.

Agreed.

[RC_Drunkford]

DJ is approaching Westbrook territory if he keeps this up

31.8 min 18.5 PPG 7.5 RPG 7.3 AST 1.3 STL 55.2 %FG 33.3 % 3pt 100% FT

I guess when White returns his numbers will take a hit, but damn has he filled up the stat sheet in these 4 games

[poopbox]

Dejounte with one of his best games after removing a giant stiff who sets one screen, stand there, and bricks an open shot ? I'm shocked...

[B1gduff]

Dejounte has looked so much better than last year.

For me i beleived his ceiling would have been a 16pts/ 6rbis and a few asst.

18.5 7 rbi and 7 asst is elite!

There is still alot to improve. He needs to reduce his TO.

outside of that, his Jump shot looka smooth and faster.

Him and Lonnie have looked so much better. I still think Lonnie has another gear that he can reach, while Dejounte needs to find consistency!

[John B]

Dejounte has looked so much better than last year.

For me i beleived his ceiling would have been a 16pts/ 6rbis and a few asst.

18.5 7 rbi and 7 asst is elite!



There is still alot to improve. He needs to reduce his TO.

outside of that, his Jump shot looka smooth and faster.

Him and Lonnie have looked so much better. I still think Lonnie has another gear that he can reach, while Dejounte needs to find consistency!

Agreed. DJ is approaching All-Star status if he make this consistent and will only help the Spurs
Agreed with Lonnie. The guy is so fast, breaking defenders and even finds people.
And not just the two, but Keldon, Vassell (hopefully Luka). There’s so much growth and the best is they’re the same age, different positions! And two-way players too :lol

[widowmaker]

Im pretty sure he was auditioning for lebron so he can eventually pressure the lakers to get him. 29 points last night he won’t score more than 12 the next game. Hes like every player on this team, not one player brings it every single game.

[spurraider21]

he's been finishing much more cleanly at the rim, and that's been a big difference so far. i still dont think his handles have gotten much better but his decision making has helped

[John B]

he's been finishing much more cleanly at the rim, and that's been a big difference so far. i still dont think his handles have gotten much better but his decision making has helped
The game is slowing down on him, and he’s starting to pick and choose when to attack, dictate the tempo, awareness of plays developing. I didn’t know he had in him but all flair. I hope it’s a hint of good things to come.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Still has to clean up the turnovers but his finishing at the hoop and shooting looks better.

decision making also needs to continue to improve. I’m happy he has played well so far but 4 games is a small Sample size. I do think his jump shot is for real though because it looked way better last season as well

[The Truth #6]

Lol @ the guys coming for this guy's head during pre-season... in games where he didn't even have a negative impact. People were just LOOKING for something negative to say about him when he clearly has put the work in.

Disagree somewhat. He was awful in PS and seems to have flipped a switch comparatively. I’m actually ok, ecstatic actually, with his improved offense (shooting and finishing) because it makes him more of the shooting guard we’ve needed. Or combo guard. I still want White handling the ball and PnR.

[Dejounte]

Disagree somewhat. He was awful in PS and seems to have flipped a switch comparatively. I’m actually ok, ecstatic actually, with his improved offense (shooting and finishing) because it makes him more of the shooting guard we’ve needed. Or combo guard. I still want White handling the ball and PnR.

"Awful"? Game 1, sure. But game 2 and 3? Oh man, some of you will go to great lengths to refuse accountability when you're wrong. It's not hard. I've admitted I was wrong about other things. Others have too.

People will be disappointed when DJ continues to be the starting PG when White is back. It is so obvious that's what's going to happen. While people are attached to their "starter" label for their favorite players, the Spurs are cooking up a strategy to break the game in half by starting the game fast and catching the opposing team off guard, then when they adjust, we have White who's capable of handling the slower pace. It's a strategy to get a big lead out the gates with faster pace. Personnel might be handicapping that a bit, but that's the plan.

[exstatic]

"Awful"? Game 1, sure. But game 2 and 3? Oh man, some of you will go to great lengths to refuse accountability when you're wrong. It's not hard. I've admitted I was wrong about other things. Others have too.

People will be disappointed when DJ continues to be the starting PG when White is back. It is so obvious that's what's going to happen. While people are attached to their "starter" label for their favorite players, the Spurs are cooking up a strategy to break the game in half by starting the game fast and catching the opposing team off guard, then when they adjust, we have White who's capable of handling the slower pace. It's a strategy to get a big lead out the gates with faster pace. Personnel might be handicapping that a bit, but that's the plan.

I don’t want White to supplant DJ in the starting lineup, I want him to supplant Lonnie. With White/DJ, we have the perfect two headed PG, DJ on the break, and White in the half court.

[The Truth #6]

"Awful"? Game 1, sure. But game 2 and 3? Oh man, some of you will go to great lengths to refuse accountability when you're wrong. It's not hard. I've admitted I was wrong about other things. Others have too.

People will be disappointed when DJ continues to be the starting PG when White is back. It is so obvious that's what's going to happen. While people are attached to their "starter" label for their favorite players, the Spurs are cooking up a strategy to break the game in half by starting the game fast and catching the opposing team off guard, then when they adjust, we have White who's capable of handling the slower pace. It's a strategy to get a big lead out the gates with faster pace. Personnel might be handicapping that a bit, but that's the plan.


I think you’re overreacting a bit. As for a “plan” that seems like magical thinking. I mean, maybe. But it seems like projecting.

[RC_Drunkford]

Nah Spurs should start White and Murray. Then let them split PG duties, ideally Murray will run more with the bench including Lonnie Walker and White with the starters to set up LMA

[poopbox]

"Awful"? Game 1, sure. But game 2 and 3? Oh man, some of you will go to great lengths to refuse accountability when you're wrong. It's not hard. I've admitted I was wrong about other things. Others have too.

People will be disappointed when DJ continues to be the starting PG when White is back. It is so obvious that's what's going to happen. While people are attached to their "starter" label for their favorite players, the Spurs are cooking up a strategy to break the game in half by starting the game fast and catching the opposing team off guard, then when they adjust, we have White who's capable of handling the slower pace. It's a strategy to get a big lead out the gates with faster pace. Personnel might be handicapping that a bit, but that's the plan.

We will never "start the game fast" with LMA in the starting line up...

When was the last time we had the lead in a game by the time we made our second substitution ?

[Dejounte]

We will never "start the game fast" with LMA in the starting line up...

When was the last time we had the lead in a game by the time we made our second substitution ?

That's why I said my last sentence, "Personnel might be handicapping that a bit...".

It's assuming LMA is gone.

[cd98]

I think Murray has looked good so far, though it's a short sample. I don't think he looks like a great point guard, per se, but I think he looks like a skilled basketball player. I'm still concerned about him getting too out of control and turning the ball over and I am actually more comfortable with Demar playing point guard, but Murray doesn't have to be a "point guard" to be effective as a player.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345066927706820608?s=19

[John B]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345066927706820608?s=19
Murray is really proving me wrong the last 4 games. And Sean Elliot also pointed that DJ has done a good job building his legs stronger as shown him taking the 3 more efficiently. With 2 years removed from surgery, he’s only just gonna get stronger, and get better finishing in the rim. The game also seems to get slower to him, making better decisions, avoiding costly mistakes.

[SpursDynasty85]

This was an important year for Dejounte in his recovery from the ACL. He is done a find job leading this team and playing high iq basketball so far. Hopefully him and White make each other even better when they are on the floor. Can't wait to see the Murray, White, Demar, Keldon, LMA/Poetl line ups.

[acoelho1]

The biggest improvement I've seen so far in Murray is his ability to finish at the rim and his jumper looks as smooth as ever. He has the mentality to become a star but he's not a finished product so a little patience is needed. Nevertheless, Pop is very high on him and we just need to trust the process. One more thing I've noticed as well this year is that his on ball defense is considerably better and he's more physical with the added strength.

[poopbox]

Once we get some non one dimensional bigs on this team his offense will be even better

[RC_Drunkford]

MIP

[John B]

Murray is becoming more and more a stud. His jumpshots were money, smooth

[r0drig0lac]

the leader

[Dejounte]

Sooo many people gave up on this guy. It's time to eat some crow.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

He's starting to do that jump off the wrong foot layup that Tony used to do. Didn't he work out with the him in the off season?

[Dejounte]

He's starting to do that jump off the wrong foot layup that Tony used to do. Didn't he work out with the him in the off season?

That was Lonnie.

[Mugen]

Him actually finishing after breaking down a defense is pretty damn huge for the ceiling of the team tbh. his rebounding has been a big help as well with the smaller lineups. Good for him tbh, hopefully he keeps it up.

[talkspurs]

Sooo many people gave up on this guy. It's time to eat some crow.

You included.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Here to give praise where it is due!

If you ever hear me super critical, know that I'm like that with every player and I love to be wrong when I'm thinking negatively. Hopefully tonight becomes Murray's consistent baseline. I hope he becomes great!

Especially since White is fragile lol

[Dejounte]

You included.

No doubt, even acknowledged this in another thread. But like I've said multiple times, you give a player a blank slate to see what they've improved upon. I had an open mind during pre-season and looked at him as if he was a new player on the roster. You gotta give these players chances, especially if they're under 30.

[ezau]

I see a bigger and longer version of Tony Parker in him.

[XDT76]

I had said that he would be a very good 3&D plus slasher, but his playmaking is better than I expected. However I still believe he should not be the primary playmaker on the team.

[Atl Spur]

I need to see him CONSISTENTLY produce like a competent player, he’s playing well now! Keep it up young fella and stop dribbling so high.

[Atl Spur]

I had said that he would be a very good 3&D plus slasher, but his playmaking is better than I expected. However I still believe he should not be the primary playmaker on the team.

True. He a two guard by nature.

[Dejounte]

Player
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Tony Parker
2006-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2007/)
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
77
77
32.5
7.4
14.2
0.52
0.2
0.5
0.395
7.2
13.7
0.525
0.527
3.6
4.5
0.783
0.4
2.8
3.2
5.5
1.1
0.1
2.5
1.8
18.6


Dejounte Murray
2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2021/)
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
PG
8
8
31.3
6.8
14.5
0.466
1
3.4
0.296
5.8
11.1
0.517
0.5
1.6
2.1
0.765
0.9
5.9
6.8
5.3
1.4
0
2.4
2.3
16.1



TP3 and DJ compared at age 24.

Keep in mind the different styles of basketball in their era.

Tony was an all-star with these numbers.

I think DJ has another gear to make these numbers look even better.

[Sugus]

Props to Dejounte for another really nice game. He's really coming into his own as a player.

But still the only thing I see - raised value. I still think we'd be better off trading him, and staying on the tankwagon for one last season. The Spurs are truly looking like they're one major piece away - in part, due to DJ balling out, of course, but it'll also mean that the team won't tank and will try to roll with what they have, perhaps even re-signing DD and/or LMA just to "keep the ship steady". I don't think we have a championship core foundation as of yet - but a top lottery prospect added to this current core, now THAT'S a future contending team.

I'd field calls on Murray at the trade deadline if I were the Spurs. Of course, you don't trade him for peanuts, but a good package with a young prospect and a pick or two, yeah.... I still don't see DJ having elevated his game to "untochable" status. Might be an unpopular opinion after a big win, but alas.

[Mr. Body]

Player
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Tony Parker
2006-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2007/)
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
77
77
32.5
7.4
14.2
0.52
0.2
0.5
0.395
7.2
13.7
0.525
0.527
3.6
4.5
0.783
0.4
2.8
3.2
5.5
1.1
0.1
2.5
1.8
18.6


Dejounte Murray
2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2021/)
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
PG
8
8
31.3
6.8
14.5
0.466
1
3.4
0.296
5.8
11.1
0.517
0.5
1.6
2.1
0.765
0.9
5.9
6.8
5.3
1.4
0
2.4
2.3
16.1



TP3 and DJ compared at age 24.

Keep in mind the different styles of basketball in their era.

Tony was an all-star with these numbers.

I think DJ has another gear to make these numbers look even better.

Nice numbers by Murray, but I want to mention how insane it was (and still is) that Parker was shooting well above .500, much less in a defensive era.

[SpursDynasty85]

Sooo many people gave up on this guy. It's time to eat some crow.


Agree but you have to admit he looked pretty bad last year. This year he looks like a near new man.

[SpursDynasty85]

Props to Dejounte for another really nice game. He's really coming into his own as a player.

But still the only thing I see - raised value. I still think we'd be better off trading him, and staying on the tankwagon for one last season. The Spurs are truly looking like they're one major piece away - in part, due to DJ balling out, of course, but it'll also mean that the team won't tank and will try to roll with what they have, perhaps even re-signing DD and/or LMA just to "keep the ship steady". I don't think we have a championship core foundation as of yet - but a top lottery prospect added to this current core, now THAT'S a future contending team.

I'd field calls on Murray at the trade deadline if I were the Spurs. Of course, you don't trade him for peanuts, but a good package with a young prospect and a pick or two, yeah.... I still don't see DJ having elevated his game to "untochable" status. Might be an unpopular opinion after a big win, but alas.

id generally agree to sell high on him but with White out he is too valuable for a pg position for now. I see Lonnie having the ability to eventually play some pg but he too seems likely to have a yearly injury. Not sure if we can rely on Tre Jones yet. TBD.

[CGD]

I have been pleasantly surprised with DJ. I still think he and Lonnie are the pieces id be most inclined to flip for a piece that evens out the rest of the roster.

[Atl Spur]

Yo, let buddy play well for a full year or two Dejounte before going your victory lap:) The kid is a good two guard with a inconsistent shot, above average defense/rebounding. Let’s see how it plays out......

[spurraider21]

I see a bigger and longer version of Tony Parker in him.
Erin Barry agrees

[Sugus]

id generally agree to sell high on him but with White out he is too valuable for a pg position for now. I see Lonnie having the ability to eventually play some pg but he too seems likely to have a yearly injury. Not sure if we can rely on Tre Jones yet. TBD.

I mean, he is really valuable for the PG position... But the Spurs shouldn't exactly be trying to stay afloat, especially if they're trading him. I'm actually a bit bittersweet about this recent success the Spurs have been achieving: on the one hand, it's great to see young players improve, establish themselves, and generally look like positives and maybe even future building blocks. But on the other, it gives a false hope of contention that might shift the FO away from better long-term strategies in search of short-term success.

At their core, I truly think the Spurs are a centerpiece away. Not a piece away, like a Collins or Allen or whichever big man - but a centerpiece, someone who can elevate the entire team, be the focus of an offense night-in, night-out, dictate the pace of the game, and close out games as the star of the team. White is that man some days, but he's both inconsistent and far too fragile to be considered a "centerpiece"; Keldon looks to be developing in that direction, but I still don't think he'll ever reach those heights, since he lacks court vision and distribution instincts that help other star wings (see: Tatum) be the centerpiece of their team's offense. At his absolute peak, I see Keldon as a star, a great two-way player that can score on demand whilst also defending the other team's best wing. But not a Doncic type of player.

So, from this perspective, losing DJ at the middle of the season (which would naturally push the Spurs towards the bottom of the ranks) would not be a bad thing at all. Moreso, his value is unlikely to be higher than it is right now - he's a year removed from injury, looking better than ever, and leading the team. Unless the Spurs FO really think they can develop him into something "else" than what he is right now, the right move would be selling high on him after having rehabbed his value.

...for the record, though, this is never going to happen. I acknowledge this. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but the Spurs are very clearly aiming for one last playoff push in this Pop era.

[Dejounte]

^Criticism of Tatum early in his career was lack of passing ability and court vision. Just sayin'...

[tim_duncan_fan]

I see a bigger and longer version of Tony Parker in him.

Not fast enough, but nearly identical games. Murray just isn't near as fast.

[Dejounte]

Player
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Jayson Tatum
2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01/gamelog/2019/)
20
BOS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2019.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html)
SF
79
79
31.1
5.9
13.1
0.45
1.5
3.9
0.373
4.4
9.2
0.483
0.506
2.5
2.9
0.855
0.9
5.2
6
2.1
1.1
0.7
1.5
2.1
15.7


Keldon Johnson
2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske04/gamelog/2021/)
21
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
SF
8
8
29.9
5.1
11.5
0.446
1.4
3.3
0.423
3.8
8.3
0.455
0.505
2.3
2.6
0.857
1.6
5.6
7.3
2.5
1.3
0.6
2
2.5
13.9



Comparing Jayson's and Keldon's 2nd year in the league.

[SpursDynasty85]

I mean, he is really valuable for the PG position... But the Spurs shouldn't exactly be trying to stay afloat, especially if they're trading him. I'm actually a bit bittersweet about this recent success the Spurs have been achieving: on the one hand, it's great to see young players improve, establish themselves, and generally look like positives and maybe even future building blocks. But on the other, it gives a false hope of contention that might shift the FO away from better long-term strategies in search of short-term success.

At their core, I truly think the Spurs are a centerpiece away. Not a piece away, like a Collins or Allen or whichever big man - but a centerpiece, someone who can elevate the entire team, be the focus of an offense night-in, night-out, dictate the pace of the game, and close out games as the star of the team. White is that man some days, but he's both inconsistent and far too fragile to be considered a "centerpiece"; Keldon looks to be developing in that direction, but I still don't think he'll ever reach those heights, since he lacks court vision and distribution instincts that help other star wings (see: Tatum) be the centerpiece of their team's offense. At his absolute peak, I see Keldon as a star, a great two-way player that can score on demand whilst also defending the other team's best wing. But not a Doncic type of player.

So, from this perspective, losing DJ at the middle of the season (which would naturally push the Spurs towards the bottom of the ranks) would not be a bad thing at all. Moreso, his value is unlikely to be higher than it is right now - he's a year removed from injury, looking better than ever, and leading the team. Unless the Spurs FO really think they can develop him into something "else" than what he is right now, the right move would be selling high on him after having rehabbed his value.

...for the record, though, this is never going to happen. I acknowledge this. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but the Spurs are very clearly aiming for one last playoff push in this Pop era.

Totally get what you mean but in our scenario and roster that one piece is probably a C or PF. If we trade Murray and then White gets injured again next year, we will have our piece but Lonnie, Mills (whom I don’t want to resign) or Tre Jones would have to be our pg. Spurs I think put extra attention to this position so unless Tre Jones can be a viable starter incase of injury (maybe but time will tell) Murray is too valuable to our team over the next 3-4 years. Hate to say it but Lonnie plus a vet would probably have to be the trade to get us that piece.

[r0drig0lac]

I mean....
I understand the logic, but I don't see any of the youngers (KJ, DJ, DV, LW) or even White as a finished product, so I see a chance that any of these boys will become such a piece of construction (or none of them, or more than one , who knows?), nobody saw this coming up with Kawhi before it happened (and no, none of these guys are going to be as good as Kawhi), but if all these guys reach their expected potential or close to it, the team will be a good team and competitive enough to receive your star like what happened with the Nets this season (for example)

[jehawk81]

the leader

The new HOTS?? 😮😮

[BackHome]

Not fast enough, but nearly identical games. Murray just isn't near as fast.

Umm yeah not even close to Parker two totally different players and skill sets

[exstatic]

Umm yeah not even close to Parker two totally different players and skill sets

He actually does a lot of things like Parker. Don’t sleep on the speed, either. He’s a lot longer and lankier, but he’s hell on wheels in the open court.

[Maddog]

leading up to the 2018 season there was a lot of Buzz about DJ. Some of it was seemingly coming from the Spurs staff (normally beyond tight lipped).
I was a bit skeptical*, and last year may have increased it-despite knowing it was a 2 year recovery. I'm starting to see some of the reasons the Spurs where excited.



* Like I'm an expert at talent evaluation....

[John B]

I don’t know how much more muscles he can add more, but he is getting stronger. He has Mamba mentality that he wants to be better than anybody in the court, and carry the team, and is working hard to do that. I doubted and frustrated that he should just shut up and put up. But DJ is shutting everybody up.

[rankingtear]

I mean, he is really valuable for the PG position... But the Spurs shouldn't exactly be trying to stay afloat, especially if they're trading him. I'm actually a bit bittersweet about this recent success the Spurs have been achieving: on the one hand, it's great to see young players improve, establish themselves, and generally look like positives and maybe even future building blocks. But on the other, it gives a false hope of contention that might shift the FO away from better long-term strategies in search of short-term success.

At their core, I truly think the Spurs are a centerpiece away. Not a piece away, like a Collins or Allen or whichever big man - but a centerpiece, someone who can elevate the entire team, be the focus of an offense night-in, night-out, dictate the pace of the game, and close out games as the star of the team. White is that man some days, but he's both inconsistent and far too fragile to be considered a "centerpiece"; Keldon looks to be developing in that direction, but I still don't think he'll ever reach those heights, since he lacks court vision and distribution instincts that help other star wings (see: Tatum) be the centerpiece of their team's offense. At his absolute peak, I see Keldon as a star, a great two-way player that can score on demand whilst also defending the other team's best wing. But not a Doncic type of player.

So, from this perspective, losing DJ at the middle of the season (which would naturally push the Spurs towards the bottom of the ranks) would not be a bad thing at all. Moreso, his value is unlikely to be higher than it is right now - he's a year removed from injury, looking better than ever, and leading the team. Unless the Spurs FO really think they can develop him into something "else" than what he is right now, the right move would be selling high on him after having rehabbed his value.

...for the record, though, this is never going to happen. I acknowledge this. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but the Spurs are very clearly aiming for one last playoff push in this Pop era.

I don't get it. Your'e strategy is to continually trade young players who impact winning until you get a Doncic level prospect? It could be a year or it could be 30 years.

[FkLA]

There's noticeable improvement in his game. There's still turnovers and the occasional dumb/inopportune iso but overall the good has easily outweighed the bad.

Keep improving. :tu

[Atl Spur]

Dribbles to high and decision making must get better if possible.

[Capt Bringdown]

Yo, let buddy play well for a full year or two Dejounte before going your victory lap:) The kid is a good two guard with a inconsistent shot, above average defense/rebounding. Let’s see how it plays out......

This. You'd think they need to open a new wing in the NBA Hall of Fame the way these fanbois be whimpering.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Umm yeah not even close to Parker two totally different players and skill sets

No they are pretty similar in terms of what they have in the tool box: penetration to the rim primarily for the below the rim score, mid-range jumper second option. Both are middling passers. Not super different.

[Sugus]

Totally get what you mean but in our scenario and roster that one piece is probably a C or PF. If we trade Murray and then White gets injured again next year, we will have our piece but Lonnie, Mills (whom I don’t want to resign) or Tre Jones would have to be our pg. Spurs I think put extra attention to this position so unless Tre Jones can be a viable starter incase of injury (maybe but time will tell) Murray is too valuable to our team over the next 3-4 years. Hate to say it but Lonnie plus a vet would probably have to be the trade to get us that piece.

To be honest, I don't think DJ plays such an irreplaceable role that the Spurs couldn't function properly if he gets traded. The Spurs are specifically built to have multiple players sharing ballhandling duties - our rebounding rate would probably suffer, and DD/LMA would have to work more to get into their sets, but it wouldn't be anything too serious. DeMar, Lonnie, Keldon, Patty, and even Tre can all handle the ball sufficiently well for the Spurs to prescind of Dejounte (though as I said earlier, our Ws column definitely would feel the hit, which is part of the hypothetical plan). I don't think Dejounte is as instrumental to the team as this argument makes him seem.


I understand the logic, but I don't see any of the youngers (KJ, DJ, DV, LW) or even White as a finished product, so I see a chance that any of these boys will become such a piece of construction (or none of them, or more than one , who knows?), nobody saw this coming up with Kawhi before it happened (and no, none of these guys are going to be as good as Kawhi), but if all these guys reach their expected potential or close to it, the team will be a good team and competitive enough to receive your star like what happened with the Nets this season (for example)

Ehh, can't agree with you there. It's easy to look at any given young player and say they "haven't reached their ceiling", or "still have so much room for growth", but the reality is that players mostly flash the kind of ceiling they'll have in their first season or two. Players that are true centerpieces, definitely tend to flash that potential (or at least, flash the tools that will get them to that ceiling) pretty early on - Kawhi improving the way he did, as late as he did, is definitely the exception and not the rule (and even then, you can argue he showed flashes of brilliance early, especially on D).

I also wouldn't consider assuming any of our young players having a Kawhi-like trajectory as anything close to a plan. More like hopeful thinking. The team can't be putting all their eggs on such a massive improvement from one of our young guys - or they shouldn't, IMO, at least. That's my point.

[Sugus]

I don't get it. Your'e strategy is to continually trade young players who impact winning until you get a Doncic level prospect? It could be a year or it could be 30 years.

Not really. The strategy is to sell high on prospects who you've developed, but don't think will have the potential to be significant pieces of your future (and this can be due to their perceived ceilings, fit on the team, age, etc), so you can get a positive ROI on them that you can re-invest until yes, you "strike gold" with a franchise-changing talent. In this example, turning DJ, a 29th pick, into a mid-to-late lottery pick (absolutely feasible with the way he's been playing) is a great W. You don't necessarily have to bottom out to get that franchise changing talent, though, especially with the new flattened odds - it's all about maximizing your opportunities, and also understanding where your team is at. The Spurs aren't (IMO) ready for true contention, talent-wise, so shipping out an already developed, but lower ceiling prospect, for the chance at a higher ceiling one, is a sound strategy....

...That I accept the Spurs might not share with me. The FO definitely looks content with DJ's play right now. Chances of a trade are slim to none.

[SpursDynasty85]

To be honest, I don't think DJ plays such an irreplaceable role that the Spurs couldn't function properly if he gets traded. The Spurs are specifically built to have multiple players sharing ballhandling duties - our rebounding rate would probably suffer, and DD/LMA would have to work more to get into their sets, but it wouldn't be anything too serious. DeMar, Lonnie, Keldon, Patty, and even Tre can all handle the ball sufficiently well for the Spurs to prescind of Dejounte (though as I said earlier, our Ws column definitely would feel the hit, which is part of the hypothetical plan). I don't think Dejounte is as instrumental to the team as this argument makes him seem.


Didn't mention this year. It's next year where I worry about PG duties should White go out. I'm assuming Patty and Demar do not resign. Then it is Lonnie and Tre Jones as our pgs besides White. I assume our draft pick/free agent will address PF/C needs. Considering the long amount of time grooming Dejounte. I really doubt Dejounte gets traded. I see Lonnie as the first to go. he has to fight so many players to eek into the rotation the way he wants now.

[boutons_deux]

Spurs shooting has gone stone cold

[RC_Drunkford]

22 points and 14 rebounds tonight. Kid is performing consistently. He still has a lot to work on, but he'll only get better at this point

[r0drig0lac]

22/14/4 another victory, not bad for the kid who should be playing in China...lol "studs spurstalk"

[Sugus]

Didn't mention this year. It's next year where I worry about PG duties should White go out. I'm assuming Patty and Demar do not resign. Then it is Lonnie and Tre Jones as our pgs besides White. I assume our draft pick/free agent will address PF/C needs. Considering the long amount of time grooming Dejounte. I really doubt Dejounte gets traded. I see Lonnie as the first to go. he has to fight so many players to eek into the rotation the way he wants now.

Ah, I see your point then. Counterpoint: IF the Spurs trade DJ, and the hit on PG-duties is as big as you say it would be (which again, considering the roster is specifically built to have many ball-handlers sharing duties by default, is unlikely), the Spurs could quite easily fill the temporal hole by signing a vet PG for the minimum or half the MLE. They aren't such a rare thing in the NBA as to be unobtainable - and again, this assumes White would miss a significant portion of next season, which I also don't think is a fair projection for him. For all we know, he could have a Curry-like recovery after his toe heals up, since that injury isn't related to his bouts of plantar fasciitis.

I agree with the rest though, and said as much in the first post - any thoughts of the Spurs trading DJ right now are nothing more than a pipe dream. The team is finally beginning to reap the sows of all the time invested in developing him, and I doubt they'll let him go without at least playing out a season or two of his contract. It doesn't worry me much, though I certainly would prefer the Spurs to follow my blueprint and sell high on him.

[Sugus]

22/14/4 another victory, not bad for the kid who should be playing in China...lol "studs spurstalk"

I swear, the only thing that amazes me more than ST getting takes consistently wrong, is ST's ability to completely forget that they said those things, and make a complete 180º turn into saying they "believed in him all along" or some shit like that. Where's all those posters calling him "IG Baller" now? Sure was a popular nickname before the season started, and through last season, tbh.... :rolleyes

[Atl Spur]

Nice game tonight. Lonnie is being aggressive more also👍🏾

[tim_duncan_fan]

Another good game. 2 in a row now.

Gotta keep it up.

[rankingtear]

Lonnie reverting back to old form. Wrong thread.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Another solid game tonight. You gotta love this kid, you can tell he wants to be the best and be a leader. His jumper looks smooth too and he’s hit some big threes in the last couple of games. You can tell he’s starting to put it all together, just needs the consistency.

[Sugus]

Lonnie reverting back to old form. Wrong thread.

What? No way. Swear some of y'all haven't been watching the games.

Lonnie tonight was uncharacteristically active off-ball, making at least 2 timely pokes that lead to those (badly executed) fastbreak opportunities, almost back-to-back. He was also looking for his shot, something that was actively missing all of last season - have people here forgotten that Lonnie used to fade into the background, spot up in the corner for 3-4 consecutive possessions on end, and never touch the ball? I'm not seeing much of that this season. Lonnie is either fighting for rebounds, then bringing the ball up, or spotting up on the wing for shots - where I have to say (since I really haven't seen it mentioned in ST at all) that his ability to open up himself has gotten better. He's NOTICEABLY improved his following of the ball-handler through their penetration, and now actively moves on the perimeter to follow him and make himself open, should the pass come - a stark contrast to last seasons' stand-in-the-corner approach. A very underrated aspect of NBA shooters is knowing how to make yourself open, tbh, and I see Lonnie improving in this area.

He definitely needs to learn how to make better decisions on the fast break. But that's easier than having to learn how to be active enough on D to force a fast break in the first place... Baby steps, tbh, we're seeing these guys develop in real time now, with no off-season and little training camp to be had.

[GAustex]

I have been giving DJM tough love. He has done all the things I have said he needs to do to be effective.
Better ball protection and decision making
Improved 3 point shooting
Using that crossover dribble rise up for the 12 to 15 foot jumper which is really hard to defend and make it. Good for you DJM.

[Light]

He should train with Becky every offseason, tbh

[cd021]

Man, his jumper looks great and he's starting to use his crossover to get separation. He didn't make of his normal mistakes either against Minny (i.e dead-end drives to the rim, careless dribbling that causes him to get stripped etc).

Looked good tbh

[Dejounte]

I have been giving DJM tough love. He has done all the things I have said he needs to do to be effective.
Better ball protection and decision making
Improved 3 point shooting
Using that crossover dribble rise up for the 12 to 15 foot jumper which is really hard to defend and make it. Good for you DJM.

https://media.tenor.com/images/e6812c1fc0a6438e204a84d4bb85796e/tenor.gif

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1348128650911232000

[rankingtear]

What? No way. Swear some of y'all haven't been watching the games.

Lonnie tonight was uncharacteristically active off-ball, making at least 2 timely pokes that lead to those (badly executed) fastbreak opportunities, almost back-to-back. He was also looking for his shot, something that was actively missing all of last season - have people here forgotten that Lonnie used to fade into the background, spot up in the corner for 3-4 consecutive possessions on end, and never touch the ball? I'm not seeing much of that this season. Lonnie is either fighting for rebounds, then bringing the ball up, or spotting up on the wing for shots - where I have to say (since I really haven't seen it mentioned in ST at all) that his ability to open up himself has gotten better. He's NOTICEABLY improved his following of the ball-handler through their penetration, and now actively moves on the perimeter to follow him and make himself open, should the pass come - a stark contrast to last seasons' stand-in-the-corner approach. A very underrated aspect of NBA shooters is knowing how to make yourself open, tbh, and I see Lonnie improving in this area.

He definitely needs to learn how to make better decisions on the fast break. But that's easier than having to learn how to be active enough on D to force a fast break in the first place... Baby steps, tbh, we're seeing these guys develop in real time now, with no off-season and little training camp to be had.

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[Sugus]

1348477945820700672

Nonchalant = / = back to old form. To me, old form is the Lonnie of last year, who completely disappeared for quarters on end, standing still in the corner waiting for passes that never came. I haven't seen that much this season, and definitely not in that game you're quoting my comment from - though it's obvious that he could've played better, more aggressive, and he did last night. It's not a black-and-white thing, especially with someone like him.

[rankingtear]

Nonchalant = / = back to old form. To me, old form is the Lonnie of last year, who completely disappeared for quarters on end, standing still in the corner waiting for passes that never came. I haven't seen that much this season, and definitely not in that game you're quoting my comment from - though it's obvious that he could've played better, more aggressive, and he did last night. It's not a black-and-white thing, especially with someone like him.

Reverting =/= back to old form. He said it, must be significant enough to lose sleep over. You argue with him.

[Sugus]

Reverting =/= back to old form. He said it, must be significant enough to lose sleep over. You argue with him.

No problem, it's semantics at best, not worth much debate. I only hope he keeps being as aggressive as he was last game, tbh.

[Dejounte]

Season
Player
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2006-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2007/)
TP3
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
77
77
32.5
7.4
14.2
0.52
0.2
0.5
0.395
7.2
13.7
0.525
0.527
3.6
4.5
0.783
0.4
2.8
3.2
5.5
1.1
0.1
2.5
1.8
18.6


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2021/)
Dejounte
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
PG
16
16
30.5
6.1
13.6
0.452
1
3.3
0.302
5.1
10.3
0.5
0.488
1.6
1.9
0.806
0.8
6.1
6.9
5.1
1.4
0.1
1.7
2.1
14.8




The numbers keep rising for DJ. It's almost matching / exceeding TP3's numbers at the same age of 24.

[bluebellmaniac]

Season
Player
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2006-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2007/)
TP3
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
77
77
32.5
7.4
14.2
0.52
0.2
0.5
0.395
7.2
13.7
0.525
0.527
3.6
4.5
0.783
0.4
2.8
3.2
5.5
1.1
0.1
2.5
1.8
18.6


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2021/)
Dejounte
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
PG
16
16
30.5
6.1
13.6
0.452
1
3.3
0.302
5.1
10.3
0.5
0.488
1.6
1.9
0.806
0.8
6.1
6.9
5.1
1.4
0.1
1.7
2.1
14.8



The numbers keep rising for DJ. It's almost matching / exceeding TP3's numbers at the same age of 24.

Would you happen to have per 48 stats to compare?

[talkspurs]

Would you happen to have per 48 stats to compare?

you can also change to do by number of season (aka 4th year in league)

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=parketo01&p1yrfrom=2007&player_id2=murrade01&p2yrfrom=2021

[buttsR4rebounding]

It appears that DJM's BBIQ has had a significant jump this year. Many on this board opined that BBIQ was an area that you either had or didn't. One measure of BBIQ has to be Assist/Turnover ratio. Murray is sitting at 3.375 right now putting him the top 10 of point/combo guards that play over 20 minutes a game. Interestingly one of the guards ahead of him is Patty Mills at 3.75. This is up from a roughly 2 to 1 ratio last year--a huge improvement. It remains to be seen, but his play is making a strong argument that White should come off the bench when he returns. More so than Keldon, Vassel or IV this is the biggest pleasant surprise for the team this season.

[RC_Drunkford]

It appears that DJM's BBIQ has had a significant jump this year. Many on this board opined that BBIQ was an area that you either had or didn't. One measure of BBIQ has to be Assist/Turnover ratio. Murray is sitting at 3.375 right now putting him the top 10 of point/combo guards that play over 20 minutes a game. Interestingly one of the guards ahead of him is Patty Mills at 3.75. This is up from a roughly 2 to 1 ratio last year--a huge improvement. It remains to be seen, but his play is making a strong argument that White should come off the bench when he returns. More so than Keldon, Vassel or IV this is the biggest pleasant surprise for the team this season.

I agree that's the most impressive thing about his development this year. He said he worked with the assistants on his decision making during the offseason, which sounds crazy cause it's something that you can't really train, but he somehow did exactly that. I guess they ran some 5 on 5 drills with him where he had to focus on making the right play. Super impressive improvement

[pad300]

I agree that's the most impressive thing about his development this year. He said he worked with the assistants on his decision making during the offseason, which sounds crazy cause it's something that you can't really train, but he somehow did exactly that. I guess they ran some 5 on 5 drills with him where he had to focus on making the right play. Super impressive improvement

Where does this idea that players BBIQ isn't something that improves come from? It's just not true. How many times have you seen a coach talking about a 2nd or 3ed year guy saying "the game has slowed down for him"? The improvement comes from 5 on 5 floor time with appropriate level athletes; you get a feel for what you can expect the opposition and your team mates can (and will) do...

[SpursDynasty85]

Where does this idea that players BBIQ isn't something that improves come from? It's just not true. How many times have you seen a coach talking about a 2nd or 3ed year guy saying "the game has slowed down for him"? The improvement comes from 5 on 5 floor time with appropriate level athletes; you get a feel for what you can expect the opposition and your team mates can (and will) do...

and after watching hours of playing tape on the opposition.

[John B]

Where does this idea that players BBIQ isn't something that improves come from? It's just not true. How many times have you seen a coach talking about a 2nd or 3ed year guy saying "the game has slowed down for him"? The improvement comes from 5 on 5 floor time with appropriate level athletes; you get a feel for what you can expect the opposition and your team mates can (and will) do...
DJ has been such a good scholar of the game. The thing that frustrates people in the past was him overtalking about what he was going to do, instead of just showing it on the court. I guess Spurs fans were not used to that, with the Big 3 just tight lips. But DJ puts pressure on himself, but I guess it's okay for him. He compares himself with Kobe. That's great and he's trying to back it up.

[Light]

Season
Player
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2006-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2007/)
TP3
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
77
77
32.5
7.4
14.2
0.52
0.2
0.5
0.395
7.2
13.7
0.525
0.527
3.6
4.5
0.783
0.4
2.8
3.2
5.5
1.1
0.1
2.5
1.8
18.6


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2021/)
Dejounte
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
PG
16
16
30.5
6.1
13.6
0.452
1
3.3
0.302
5.1
10.3
0.5
0.488
1.6
1.9
0.806
0.8
6.1
6.9
5.1
1.4
0.1
1.7
2.1
14.8


2018-19
White
24
SAS
NBA
PG
67
55
25.8
3.9
8.1
0.479
0.7
2.1
0.338
3.2
6.0
0.529
0.523
1.4
1.8
0.772
0.5
3.2
3.7
3.9
1.0
0.7
1.4
2.2
9.9



The numbers keep rising for DJ. It's almost matching / exceeding TP3's numbers at the same age of 24.

Added Derrick's lone season as a starter for comparison :stirpot:


DJ's year over year improvement has me believing he'll continue to put up good numbers this season. His BBIQ has shown improvement, and that's something that should only get better with more time and experience.

[cd021]

Murray's next area of improvement is significantly improving his FT rate. He's taking less than 2 per game while playing north of 30.5 mpg, that's not good. Should be around 4.5 per game tbh. Some of that is his shot selection: shooting open 3's taking pull up jumpers and attacking in transition.

There really isn't a lot of aggressive drives, with the goal of scoring, in the half-court so it's been harder to draw shooting fouls-- though he's improved his drive and kick game.

[cd021]

It appears that DJM's BBIQ has had a significant jump this year. Many on this board opined that BBIQ was an area that you either had or didn't. One measure of BBIQ has to be Assist/Turnover ratio. Murray is sitting at 3.375 right now putting him the top 10 of point/combo guards that play over 20 minutes a game. Interestingly one of the guards ahead of him is Patty Mills at 3.75. This is up from a roughly 2 to 1 ratio last year--a huge improvement. It remains to be seen, but his play is making a strong argument that White should come off the bench when he returns. More so than Keldon, Vassel or IV this is the biggest pleasant surprise for the team this season.

I still don't like White coming off the bench (once fully healthy) tbh. If he ever returns to bubble-White then he's the best player on the team. Also Murray and White are being paid as though their the starting backcourt of the future, they'll have to gain experience playing together even if it's a bit awkward on the court. Walker's likely future role is going to be a microwave scorer on the bench, might as well get him experience in that role too.

Murray-White-Johnson-DeRozan-Aldridge
Mills-Vassell-Walker-Gay-Poeltl

[TD 21]

Counting stats without context are irrelevant. Murray still has a long ways to go to get his efficiency to a reasonable level.


I still don't like White coming off the bench (once fully healthy) tbh. If he ever returns to bubble-White then he's the best player on the team. Also Murray and White are being paid as though their the starting backcourt of the future, they'll have to gain experience playing together even if it's a bit awkward on the court. Walker's likely future role is going to be a microwave scorer on the bench, might as well get him experience in that role too.

Murray-White-Johnson-DeRozan-Aldridge
Mills-Vassell-Walker-Gay-Poeltl

Yeah and this isn't a Parker/Ginobili scenario, where the former was a star who could serve as the lone perimeter initiator in the starting lineup. Post DeRozan, Murray/White need to start.

If Johnson can become a star and Murray can make another leap offensively, at that point White could serve as a Ginobili esque 6th man (pushing 30 mpg and closing), while Vassell starts.

[XDT76]

Season
Player
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
2P
2PA
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2006-07 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2007/)
TP3
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PG
77
77
32.5
7.4
14.2
0.52
0.2
0.5
0.395
7.2
13.7
0.525
0.527
3.6
4.5
0.783
0.4
2.8
3.2
5.5
1.1
0.1
2.5
1.8
18.6


2020-21 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2021/)
Dejounte
24
SAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2021.html)
NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021.html)
PG
16
16
30.5
6.1
13.6
0.452
1
3.3
0.302
5.1
10.3
0.5
0.488
1.6
1.9
0.806
0.8
6.1
6.9
5.1
1.4
0.1
1.7
2.1
14.8




The numbers keep rising for DJ. It's almost matching / exceeding TP3's numbers at the same age of 24.

I was surprise that his per 36 numbers were similar to his 2nd year in the league. That shows that he had kept the consistency despite more play time the major distinct stat is actually a significant drop in his TO which is good.

[RC_Drunkford]

Where does this idea that players BBIQ isn't something that improves come from? It's just not true. How many times have you seen a coach talking about a 2nd or 3ed year guy saying "the game has slowed down for him"? The improvement comes from 5 on 5 floor time with appropriate level athletes; you get a feel for what you can expect the opposition and your team mates can (and will) do...

yeah but not in the offseason

[cd021]

Counting stats without context are irrelevant. Murray still has a long ways to go to get his efficiency to a reasonable level.



Yeah and this isn't a Parker/Ginobili scenario, where the former was a star who could serve as the lone perimeter initiator in the starting lineup. Post DeRozan, Murray/White need to start.

If Johnson can become a star and Murray can make another leap offensively, at that point White could serve as a Ginobili esque 6th man (pushing 30 mpg and closing), while Vassell starts.

I think Murray and White still have a ways to reaching their full offensive potential. Murray needing to up his FT rate and 3pt rate while improving his percentages from each. Johnson could also stand to do both while also developing more of an in-between game when he can't barrel to the rim. Those are all reasonable things that they can improve upon. White, assuming he's the same player he was in the bubble, would likely still be the best of the three and should fit well with them in the SL.


There were injury concerns that played into Manu coming off the bench. Playing Manu 27 mpg vs. 33 mpg did a lot to help elongate his career, and one could argue that Pop should give White the same treatment given White's foot issues but benching your best/ most complete player is hard to justify.

Vassell does make sense as a starter as a 3 and D type, but assuming Murray, White, and Johnson are all starters going forward, then he'd have to start alongside them with KJ as the four. Otherwise, both he and Walker would project as key bench players.

[TD 21]

I think Murray and White still have a ways to reaching their full offensive potential. Murray needing to up his FT rate and 3pt rate while improving his percentages from each. Johnson could also stand to do both while also developing more of an in-between game when he can't barrel to the rim. Those are all reasonable things that they can improve upon. White, assuming he's the same player he was in the bubble, would likely still be the best of the three and should fit well with them in the SL.


There were injury concerns that played into Manu coming off the bench. Playing Manu 27 mpg vs. 33 mpg did a lot to help elongate his career, and one could argue that Pop should give White the same treatment given White's foot issues but benching your best/ most complete player is hard to justify.

Vassell does make sense as a starter as a 3 and D type, but assuming Murray, White, and Johnson are all starters going forward, then he'd have to start alongside them with KJ as the four. Otherwise, both he and Walker would project as key bench players.

That's now though. White as Ginobili esque 6th man is obviously mostly dependant on Johnson developing into a go-to guy. Despite lacking his basketball IQ, it's he who probably has the higher upside given the fact that he's 5+ years younger and already not that much worse.

White's malleability is his greatest strength. He also appears to have the temperment to accept a 6th man role. Either way, it's probably best he run the second unit, but if he pulls double duty, he'd have to average an amount of minutes I'm not sure he's built for or they'd be comfortable with.

Vassell has the potential to be an elite 3 and D wing. His skillset would be largely wasted playing sparingly with and against the majority of front line talent.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Man, that was a quiet 26!

[couchman]

Man, that was a quiet 26!

We're getting used to DJM pkaying well. ��

[Atl Spur]

We're getting used to DJM pkaying well. ��

This

[r0drig0lac]

the leader

[John B]

His shots are getting money. And his crossovers are nasty. DJ has continually transcended his game. He looked like a better player than the other Murray out there, albeit Jamal was a little banged up at the end of a 5 games on the road. Still DJ looked gooood. Damn. He would be an All-Star if he continues.

[buttsR4rebounding]

His shots are getting money. And his crossovers are nasty. DJ has continually transcended his game. He looked like a better player than the other Murray out there, albeit Jamal was a little banged up at the end of a 5 games on the road. Still DJ looked gooood. Damn. He would be an All-Star if he continues.

I would love to see that, but the 1st all star slot the Spurs get would definitely go to DDR. But DJM is balling. His mid range pull up is starting to look like Kawhi’s. So smooth.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1355226125216215044

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Dp0laMlUZ5A

[GreekSpursfan]

The most important area of improvement is his decision making. He's the pg, he should average more than 5 assists per game, so far so good

[Dejounte]

The most important area of improvement is his decision making. He's the pg, he should average more than 5 assists per game

Nope. That's not how our system goes. Those are just counting stats. Means nothing to people who actually watch the Spurs play. If our offense revolved around him a la Westbrook style, you'd probably see those numbers. We have 2+ ball handlers sharing the duties at any given time.

[KobesAchilles]

I’m glad PATFO listened to my advice and was patient with Murray after his rough outing last year. It was easy during the off-season to just say to trade him and he wasn’t worth the contract, but I said be patient, you can’t judge him his first year back off injury. It always takes 2 years to really get in a groove off a torn ACL

[rankingtear]

I’m glad PATFO listened to my advice and was patient with Murray after his rough outing last year. It was easy during the off-season to just say to trade him and he wasn’t worth the contract, but I said be patient, you can’t judge him his first year back off injury. It always takes 2 years to really get in a groove off a torn ACL


Yeah I’ve been saying to trade him for a while. I think him packaged with Demar can get us Randle/filler and a pick swap. He has no brains. He has no feel for the game. He can learn things for sure but not enough for it to matter for us. His defense is trash (and that’s all Pop’s fault) and he needs to relearn how to play defense. It’s better to trade Murray for both him and us. We need him to be Danny Green. Murray will never want to be Danny Green or really is suited to be Danny. But he CAN’T play point guard. The dude can’t dribble, penetrate the defense, pass in traffic, or set up teammates. It sucks that we handled his development so bad and that he got injured, but we whiffed in him as a player and us as management to his career.

What a clown.

[r0drig0lac]

What a clown.:rollin

[Dejounte]

What a clown.


Lmaooooooo WTF

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConfusedRareDoe-max-1mb.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1ug3xGEN1oZBT7qw/giphy.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/bc015f9fc50453f62f1c1d2739570fa5/tenor.gif

[Dejounte]

Rankingtear to KobesAchilles:

https://media.tenor.com/images/3ccfad9cb027d3515e409b4e0f4f3873/tenor.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/uG3lKkAuh53wc/giphy.gif

Me:

https://media.giphy.com/media/8sZXkUPVwka3u/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/pUeXcg80cO8I8/giphy.gif

[KobesAchilles]

What a clown.
Sorry I don’t use blue font. But the sarcasm was heavily implied

[RC_Drunkford]

future All-Star. Like I said he's baby Westbrook and he'll probably become a better player than him

[KingKev]

future All-Star. Like I said he's baby Westbrook and he'll probably become a better player than him

i’ve always though of him this way. He just needs to unleash abit more of that Westbrook mentality. As much as Pop frustrates me in recent years he has a great ability to develop PGs.

[TDomination]

I would love to see that, but the 1st all star slot the Spurs get would definitely go to DDR. But DJM is balling. His mid range pull up is starting to look like Kawhi’s. So smooth.
Yup, and hes becoming a really good pocket picker like kawhi was as a spur.

we're seeing it quite frequently. i love it.

[Dejounte]

Say DJ continues his trajectory and becomes our first star...

Keldon becomes our second...

our third? White?

[John B]

future All-Star. Like I said he's baby Westbrook and he'll probably become a better player than him
Nah please not a stat padding Westbrook. A long guard who can rebound and assist like Magic, who can occassionally take over games. But I’d settle for a pickpocket Gary P.

[John B]

Say DJ continues his trajectory and becomes our first star...

Keldon becomes our second...

our third? White?

Vassell once he starts getting minutes. I think it’s Keldon/DJ/Vassell as future big 3. White is very solid but more like an Andre Miller, except for not being injured.

[r0drig0lac]

Vassell once he starts getting minutes. I think it’s Keldon/DJ/Vassell as future big 3. White is very solid but more like an Andre Miller, except for not being injured.

bubble White is a 3rd tier star

[GreekSpursfan]

Nope. That's not how our system goes. Those are just counting stats. Means nothing to people who actually watch the Spurs play. If our offense revolved around him a la Westbrook style, you'd probably see those numbers. We have 2+ ball handlers sharing the duties at any given time.

I said at the end, so far so good. Furthrmore i'm mainly talking about pressurized situations where we always go to Demar to make the decision, shoot or pass(he almost always shoots) and you know why we go there because we have no one else to make the correct decision(Demar isn't obviously the answer as well thats why suck at those times). Pop doesn't trust Murray to take over at the end of games and i don't either. At the end of games is where you see if a guy is good at making decisions, Murray is not there yet.

[BD24]

:lol at all the dummies that doubted DJ. Seems many of them have left the site. Haven’t seen much of that moron SAgirl lately. She still post?

[tonight...you]

:lol at all the dummies that doubted DJ. Seems many of them have left the site. Haven’t seen much of that moron SAgirl lately. She still post?
Sporadically.

[Dejounte]

I remember SAGirl bashing me for praising Murray and defending him from all the haters during pre-season

[tonight...you]

I remember SAGirl (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524) bashing me for praising Murray and defending him from all the haters during pre-season
Damn. She really did not like DJM. I always remembered her as a pretty stable poster.
I guess this subject put her in a different direction.

Murray has been my dude since he was drafted. Last year didn't even phase me.
No one could deny his desire to be all he could be and his inherent leadership.

[r0drig0lac]

Murray has been my dude since he was drafted. Last year didn't even phase me.
No one could deny his desire to be all he could be and his inherent leadership.2 #theLeader

[Capt Bringdown]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1355226125216215044

Murray is best used against the 2nd string.

[The Truth #6]

Murray made a leap this year. He wasn’t as good last year. Reasonable criticism of him last year was valid, just like reasonable criticism of Walker is valid this year. It seems like a lot of people love to feel like they were right all along. That seems silly.

[r0drig0lac]

Murray made a leap this year. He wasn’t as good last year. Reasonable criticism of him last year was valid, just like reasonable criticism of Walker is valid this year. It seems like a lot of people love to feel like they were right all along. That seems silly.claiming that he spends a lot of time on social media as if he is using his training period with other things (as if someone here has any knowledge of what really happens to these guys out of court) is classified as "reasonable criticism"? interesting

[The Truth #6]

claiming that he spends a lot of time on social media as if he is using his training period with other things (as if someone here has any knowledge of what really happens to these guys out of court) is classified as "reasonable criticism"? interesting

I barely can understand what you’re writing about.

[GAustex]

DJM got wore out tonight

[cd021]

That's now though. White as Ginobili esque 6th man is obviously mostly dependant on Johnson developing into a go-to guy. Despite lacking his basketball IQ, it's he who probably has the higher upside given the fact that he's 5+ years younger and already not that much worse.

White's malleability is his greatest strength. He also appears to have the temperment to accept a 6th man role. Either way, it's probably best he run the second unit, but if he pulls double duty, he'd have to average an amount of minutes I'm not sure he's built for or they'd be comfortable with.

Vassell has the potential to be an elite 3 and D wing. His skillset would be largely wasted playing sparingly with and against the majority of front line talent.

White does seem to be willing to come off the bench, which gives the Spurs some options both now and going forward. I don't love having White coming off the bench but acknowledge that Vassell is sort of wasted as a bench player. If the Spurs could get a long-term four that's solid on offense and at least decent on D--to go along with an improved Murray and KJ--then the potential future SL to be a plus on offense and great on D. While White and Walker could carry the bench unit.


For now, the Spurs should see if White can excel in the Manu role for health reasons, to bolster the bench, and for SL continuity.

[DAF86]

I'm a believer :worthy:

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1358990149376495619

[r0drig0lac]

Murray game saddens some guys here, me and probably two or three more posters were the only fans since day 1 who didn't jump off the boat or claimed that he was hindering the development of white and walker (laughable).

[emanueldavidginobili]

Love this kids ambition, he truly wants to be great and it shows.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1358990409196838919

Mainstream media recognition

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1358990912160845826

More mainstream media recognition

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1358992816848969730

Dejounte is loved by his teammates

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1358992780853411840

[J_Paco]

I'm happy that DeJounte has taken a bigger leap than anticipated & proved all the doubters, haters & cliff jumpers on ST wrong.

The kid comes back from a catastrophic injury & is supposed just magically pick up from where he was at?

Anyway, it's just great to see and I hope he can continue to play at this high level.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1358993994701811712

[PrimeMinister]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1358993994701811712

chills. who needs a nephew when you have a son.

[Dejounte]

chills. who needs a nephew when you have a son.

ST Quote of the Year

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1358993994701811712
He’s the.only one of the US first round draftees in the last 5 years that comes from a fatherless home. He would probably gravitate towards that father figure.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1358996437187649536

[Dejounte]

He’s the.only one of the US first round draftees in the last 5 years that comes from a fatherless home. He would probably gravitate towards that father figure.

Not to mention, his biological father starts a lot of drama on Twitter about his son.

New nickname for DJ: "Son"

[John B]

:worthy::worthy::worthy: DJ. I’m the first to apologize I criticized this kid because he talks too much about his game. But he backs it up. He will be the next All Star of the youngsters. Book it!

[Dejounte]

:worthy::worthy::worthy: DJ. I’m the first to apologize I criticized this kid because he talks too much about his game. But he backs it up. He will be the next All Star of the youngsters. Book it!

He already has the second most followers on social media among Spurs players. Over LMA. Over Rudy Gay. He can become that if he continues to elevate his game.

[PhantomDashCam]

Great stuff. Would love to know what DJs 3PT% is when shooting late in the clock/game? It sure seems like he hits a high percentage.

[Gibbz]

chills. who needs a nephew when you have a son.

https://media.tenor.com/images/ab8464424ba8959f6125170c25eae656/tenor.gif

[duncan2k5]

Props to Dejounte for another really nice game. He's really coming into his own as a player.

But still the only thing I see - raised value. I still think we'd be better off trading him, and staying on the tankwagon for one last season. The Spurs are truly looking like they're one major piece away - in part, due to DJ balling out, of course, but it'll also mean that the team won't tank and will try to roll with what they have, perhaps even re-signing DD and/or LMA just to "keep the ship steady". I don't think we have a championship core foundation as of yet - but a top lottery prospect added to this current core, now THAT'S a future contending team.

I'd field calls on Murray at the trade deadline if I were the Spurs. Of course, you don't trade him for peanuts, but a good package with a young prospect and a pick or two, yeah.... I still don't see DJ having elevated his game to "untochable" status. Might be an unpopular opinion after a big win, but alas.
You must be joking...no team with DDR and LMA as it's foundation will EVER contend...no matter who is added to it...they need to be traded ASAP

[Dejounte]

So is Murray our actual Luke Skywalker? Our actual New Hope? The one to beat Darth Vader (Nephew)? Not Lonnie? Not Keldon? Murray?

[RC_Drunkford]

You must be joking...no team with DDR and LMA as it's foundation will EVER contend...no matter who is added to it...they need to be traded ASAP

not even if you add your so beloved nephew to it? huh?

[John B]

Mamba mentality. I expect him to be even bigger next year with stronger body. Then will see him finish strong.

[duncan2k5]

I mean, he is really valuable for the PG position... But the Spurs shouldn't exactly be trying to stay afloat, especially if they're trading him. I'm actually a bit bittersweet about this recent success the Spurs have been achieving: on the one hand, it's great to see young players improve, establish themselves, and generally look like positives and maybe even future building blocks. But on the other, it gives a false hope of contention that might shift the FO away from better long-term strategies in search of short-term success.

At their core, I truly think the Spurs are a centerpiece away. Not a piece away, like a Collins or Allen or whichever big man - but a centerpiece, someone who can elevate the entire team, be the focus of an offense night-in, night-out, dictate the pace of the game, and close out games as the star of the team. White is that man some days, but he's both inconsistent and far too fragile to be considered a "centerpiece"; Keldon looks to be developing in that direction, but I still don't think he'll ever reach those heights, since he lacks court vision and distribution instincts that help other star wings (see: Tatum) be the centerpiece of their team's offense. At his absolute peak, I see Keldon as a star, a great two-way player that can score on demand whilst also defending the other team's best wing. But not a Doncic type of player.

So, from this perspective, losing DJ at the middle of the season (which would naturally push the Spurs towards the bottom of the ranks) would not be a bad thing at all. Moreso, his value is unlikely to be higher than it is right now - he's a year removed from injury, looking better than ever, and leading the team. Unless the Spurs FO really think they can develop him into something "else" than what he is right now, the right move would be selling high on him after having rehabbed his value.

...for the record, though, this is never going to happen. I acknowledge this. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but the Spurs are very clearly aiming for one last playoff push in this Pop era.
U are overrating White ...there is never a time when he plays like the centerpiece for a championship team...jesus christ

[RC_Drunkford]

He's baby Westbrook, but with better defense, a better jump shot and better IQ. I'm pretty sure he has a chance to make All-Defensive first team this year

[talkspurs]

Murray game saddens some guys here, me and probably two or three more posters were the only fans since day 1 who didn't jump off the boat or claimed that he was hindering the development of white and walker (laughable).

Sad part is it seems like more are starting to fade on KJ as well. He is going to be good as well. He has more people backing him but they seem to be fading. I was with Murray from the beginning and Will be with KJ through it as well. I was also not big on lonnie (but still hopping I am wrong on it).

[duncan2k5]

I don’t know how much more muscles he can add more, but he is getting stronger. He has Mamba mentality that he wants to be better than anybody in the court, and carry the team, and is working hard to do that. I doubted and frustrated that he should just shut up and put up. But DJ is shutting everybody up.

That's not mamba mentality...kobe didn't trademark wanting to be the best...that was a thing way before anyone knew kobe...let's not make future generations that don't know shit about basketball think that is solely a kobe thing...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/KSATRJ/status/1358999583997784067

[duncan2k5]

There's noticeable improvement in his game. There's still turnovers and the occasional dumb/inopportune iso but overall the good has easily outweighed the bad.

Keep improving. :tu

He rarely turns the ball over...these old narratives need to die... Off the top of my head he averages just over 1 per game...what do u want him to have? Zero turnovers?

[DAF86]

not even if you add your so beloved nephew to it? huh?

Nope. Probaboy not even then. No spacing whatsoever and terrible defense from those 2 combined.

[duncan2k5]

not even if you add your so beloved nephew to it? huh?

Not even...DDR is literally a negative impact player...he would shit his pants at the sight of any legitimate contender in the playoffs...he did so in his prime, it would be worse now

[Dejounte]

This is not a fucking DeMar DeRozan thread, you obsessed fucking maniac.

[Dennis the Menace]

The Franchise

We all saw the raw athleticism and desire to BE GREAT. It was a Kawhi starter kit. Just a matter of time with coaching development and work with Chip to materialize on the floor.

He’s got the tools and desire to be best overall Point Guard in the league. San Antonio was the best possible destination for him professionally and personal development wise. You love to root for someone like him.

He’s steady improving and no where near his ceiling still. Happy he’s a Spur!!

[duncan2k5]

This is not a fucking DeMar DeRozan thread, you obsessed fucking maniac.

Asshole...I didn't bring him up you hillbilly dumbfuck...I was responding to someone that brought him up... you tell HIM it isn't a DeMar thread... Fucking trailer park raised stalker...

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1358984083712401409?s=20https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1358984083712401409?s=20

[John B]

That's not mamba mentality...kobe didn't trademark wanting to be the best...that was a thing way before anyone knew kobe...let's not make future generations that don't know shit about basketball think that is solely a kobe thing...
Okay who do you want? :lol Because Mamba mentality is already out there, being used by everybody and easily understood. I like DJ’s making that claim, wanting to be the best and backing it up. He pushes himself, wants Pop to push him, and he will push everybody around him to get better. Keldon is another one awaiting greatness. But he needs to work a lot with Coach Chip and fix those stratosphere shots. Spurs in good hands.

[Dejounte]

Asshole...I didn't bring him up you hillbilly dumbfuck...I was responding to someone that brought him up... you tell HIM it isn't a DeMar thread... Fucking trailer park raised stalker...

You sound fucking stupid assuming I'm white. I think you have an issue with white people that you have to sort out. This is 2021, your idiot racism needs to die. You can't be both stupid and racist at the same time. Oh wait, I guess you can...

[jehawk81]

chills. who needs a nephew when you have a son.

:wow:wow:wow

[John B]

chills. who needs a nephew when you have a son.
Catchy :bobo

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1359004288920469505

[DAF86]

You sound fucking stupid assuming I'm white. I think you have an issue with white people that you have to sort out. This is 2021, your idiot racism needs to die. You can't be both stupid and racist at the same time. Oh wait, I guess you can...

Racism is pretty much dependent of the other, tbh.

[Dejounte]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dejounte-murray-of-the-san-antonio-spurs-is-hugged-by-drew-eubanks-of-picture-id1231054895?s=2048x2048

Feels

[Gagnrath]

ST Quote of the Year

Pop loved George Hill like a son as well. However Pop said, I love him, Let's get Khawi.

[Dejounte]

Pop loved George Hill like a son as well. However Pop said, I love him, Let's get Khawi.

True, though Hill is far from the player DJ is at the age of 24. DJ is a far superior player.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1359004288920469505

:lol

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqAL54KEbco

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqAL54KEbco

Man, some of those steals were insane high IQ anticipation. They weren't those lucky gamble-type steals. DJ is getting smarter.

[Seventyniner]

Man, some of those steals were insane high IQ anticipation. They weren't those lucky gamble-type steals. DJ is getting smarter.

The one at 1:19 is my favorite.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1358984083712401409?s=20https://twitter.com/AirlessJordan/status/1358984083712401409?s=20

‘Never would’ve guessed J. Rich was the last guy to do that. Was thinking someone like J.Kidd...
Cool trivia.

[duncan2k5]

Okay who do you want? :lol Because Mamba mentality is already out there, being used by everybody and easily understood. I like DJ’s making that claim, wanting to be the best and backing it up. He pushes himself, wants Pop to push him, and he will push everybody around him to get better. Keldon is another one awaiting greatness. But he needs to work a lot with Coach Chip and fix those stratosphere shots. Spurs in good hands.

I'd prefer MJ...lol... I'm sad kobe died, but "Mamba Mentality" was LA media propaganda that everyone is falling for, and now ppl are starting to attribute insane drive with kobe, when Kobe got that drive because he emulated MJ... MJs drive was on another level... I'd argue even Ginobili was more competitive than Kobe

[duncan2k5]

Racism is pretty much dependent of the other, tbh.

Agreed...but with that we would have to acknowledge the entire US system is stupid since it's foundations are built on racism...but we keep voting for ppl that wanna keep it the same or worse rather than ppl like Bernie who wants to change it...shows where the overall mentality of the average US citizen is

[Chinook]

Murray deserves a ton of praise for the way he played last night. That he basically balanced out Steph in a game is amazing.

[CGD]

It’s been a joy to watch his development over the years. Still more room to grow, which is exciting.

[Ice009]

It’s been a joy to watch his development over the years. Still more room to grow, which is exciting.

Yep, really great that he has more room to grow and definitely exciting.

I wish nothing but the best for Dejounte. He's continued to work and work and work. I don't know if I totally gave up on him, but I came pretty darn close, so you might as well say I did (I'm not going to claim to be one of the people that never did). Props to all the guys that stuck with Dejounte and believed in him no matter what. He's looking better and better. Great stuff from the kid. Keep going forward, Dejounte.

[rjv]

no doubt that the past two seasons had a big impact on murray's delayed progress. the injury and the pandemic just created too much of a disruption. even this season's lack of a training camp was of no help. it's possible we are starting to see that development starting to kick in. but i am beginning to see more consistency from murray now and that's really where he'll be judged, if he comes out tonight and has a bad game, it won't mean he's a bust all over again; it just tells us that he's still a work in progress. but if we get another solid outing from him with back to backs against curry and tre young, that would be impressive. either way, he seems to be turning a corner.

[Dejounte]

no doubt that the past two seasons had a big impact on murray's delayed progress. the injury and the pandemic just created too much of a disruption. even this season's lack of a training camp was of no help. it's possible we are starting to see that development starting to kick in. but i am beginning to see more consistency from murray now and that's really where he'll be judged, if he comes out tonight and has a bad game, it won't mean he's a bust all over again; it just tells us that he's still a work in progress. but if we get another solid outing from him with back to backs against curry and tre young, that would be impressive. either way, he seems to be turning a corner.

Should DJ's rise leave little doubt now that the Spurs know how select players in the draft and that they know how to develop them? Does this mean ST should be more patient with Spurs (young) players and not want to trade them any chance they get? Hmm....

[KobesAchilles]

Should DJ's rise leave little doubt now that the Spurs know how select players in the draft and that they know how to develop them? Does this mean ST should be more patient with Spurs (young) players and not want to trade them any chance they get? Hmm....
Can we change mindset though? Bc Lonnie needs to have some dawg in him. Maybe getting rid of DDR will do the trick. Idk, but he should be gunning every chance he gets. I don't want any passive from Lonnie. prayingdog.gif

[Dejounte]

Can we change mindset though? Bc Lonnie needs to have some dawg in him. Maybe getting rid of DDR will do the trick. Idk, but he should be gunning every chance he gets. I don't want any passive from Lonnie. prayingdog.gif

I'm legit scared we're about to see a night and day difference on defense when Lonnie replaces White tonight... I hope he doesn't show us that he was the culprit/ main reason for our weak perimeter defense for some of the games this season...

[buttsR4rebounding]

Should DJ's rise leave little doubt now that the Spurs know how select players in the draft and that they know how to develop them? Does this mean ST should be more patient with Spurs (young) players and not want to trade them any chance they get? Hmm....

More of a chance that DJM wins the Finals MVP...

[KobesAchilles]

I'm legit scared we're about to see a night and day difference on defense when Lonnie replaces White tonight... I hope he doesn't show us that he was the culprit/ main reason for our weak perimeter defense for some of the games this season...
I mean White is just so much better at defense than Lonnie that I don't know if we shouldn't bring Lonnie off the bench. You gotta figure with more playing time and rhythm that Derrick's shot will begin to fall.

[Sugus]

You must be joking...no team with DDR and LMA as it's foundation will EVER contend...no matter who is added to it...they need to be traded ASAP

You misunderstood my comment (that's an old comment, wow). I meant shopping Murray (I still think it's the best option, especially now that he's garnering league-wide recognition, tbh), in addition to dropping LMA/DD (which is the only real way to add a lottery pick this season to our young core). I see the Spurs resigning DeMar still, sadly... His big scoring games and mentorship role over the young players (who seem to be blossoming this season) will probably trigger the Spurs' sense of continuity, and they'll try their best to keep him. Not that I'm good with that, but it is what it is.

Additionally, I think over the past 4 weeks since that comment, it's been made abundantly clear that LMA is not a part of neither a medium/long term future, nor a short-term one, so that's one thing less to worry about. I honestly think there's about a 70% chance that DeRozan is still with the Spurs next season, much to my chagrin, and especially if the Spurs whiff out on Collins or whichever FA they go after with the capspace - so it'll be interesting to see which other vets go and what roster changes are made. At its core, I don't see the Spurs FO being anywhere close to wanting to tank out a year or multiple ones, so it's easy to see what path they'll try to take.

[rjv]

I mean White is just so much better at defense than Lonnie that I don't know if we shouldn't bring Lonnie off the bench. You gotta figure with more playing time and rhythm that Derrick's shot will begin to fall.

lonnie should be coming off the bench for the reason you indicated but also because i just feel that white and murray are a solid fit together in the backcourt. i hope to see walker off the bench tonight and going forward.

[Sugus]

U are overrating White ...there is never a time when he plays like the centerpiece for a championship team...jesus christ


At their core, I truly think the Spurs are a centerpiece away. (...) White is that man some days, but he's both inconsistent and far too fragile to be considered a "centerpiece".

Bruh.... reading comprehension.

[SpursDynasty85]

Took a while but he definitely looks like a great value at his current contract. He seems like a guy who wants to stick around. Yesterday was his best game and very impressive vs a quality opponent. Now all we need is White to get his feet wet so both these guys can be our dominating back court!

[Seventyniner]

Bruh.... reading comprehension.

Neither of them seems to understand that the real centerpiece is Keith Bogans, and he ain't walking through that door.

Well, maybe as an assistant coach?

[duncan2k5]

You misunderstood my comment (that's an old comment, wow). I meant shopping Murray (I still think it's the best option, especially now that he's garnering league-wide recognition, tbh), in addition to dropping LMA/DD (which is the only real way to add a lottery pick this season to our young core). I see the Spurs resigning DeMar still, sadly... His big scoring games and mentorship role over the young players (who seem to be blossoming this season) will probably trigger the Spurs' sense of continuity, and they'll try their best to keep him. Not that I'm good with that, but it is what it is.

Additionally, I think over the past 4 weeks since that comment, it's been made abundantly clear that LMA is not a part of neither a medium/long term future, nor a short-term one, so that's one thing less to worry about. I honestly think there's about a 70% chance that DeRozan is still with the Spurs next season, much to my chagrin, and especially if the Spurs whiff out on Collins or whichever FA they go after with the capspace - so it'll be interesting to see which other vets go and what roster changes are made. At its core, I don't see the Spurs FO being anywhere close to wanting to tank out a year or multiple ones, so it's easy to see what path they'll try to take.

Ok I understand...we are pretty much on the same page... except for the trading murray part...he is my favorite player...but in the end, 8f the package is right, I'll take it

[duncan2k5]

Bruh.... reading comprehension.

How did I miscomprehend? You said there are days when he is the man...I'm saying even on those days he never looked like a centerpiece to me

[tonight...you]

Ok I understand...we are pretty much on the same page... except for the trading murray part...he is my favorite player...but in the end, 8f the package is right, I'll take it
Yeah. Agree. That trade package better be gooooooooood.

[The Truth #6]

I mean White is just so much better at defense than Lonnie that I don't know if we shouldn't bring Lonnie off the bench. You gotta figure with more playing time and rhythm that Derrick's shot will begin to fall.

I agree that Lonnie could be the odd man out in some ways. The second unit makes sense but he would be competing with Patty for shots who is even more trigger happy than Demar. If Patty is gone, I think Lonnie could fit into that sparkplug, quick trigger type of player if he is given the green light and his assertiveness increases.

[exstatic]

I agree that Lonnie could be the odd man out in some ways. The second unit makes sense but he would be competing with Patty for shots who is even more trigger happy than Demar. If Patty is gone, I think Lonnie could fit into that sparkplug, quick trigger type of player if he is given the green light and his assertiveness increases.

Patty doesn’t dominate the ball the way that DD does.

[tonight...you]

Patty doesn’t dominate the ball the way that DD does.
And Patty is the kind of player that if Pop told him to focus on setting Lonnie up and relay that to Lonnie...
At least one of them would respond.
Maybe both.

[The Truth #6]

Patty doesn’t dominate the ball the way that DD does.

To me it's a paradox. I agree that DD dominates the ball, yet he seems to actually get assists. Patty seems more egalitarian in his personality, but it definitely feels like he is looking to score at every point. Perhaps more to my point, Lonnie and Patty together might seem redundant.

[Dejounte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoEWOpN7zI

Top 5 projected pick in 2021 Jalen Green looks and plays like Dejounte Murray, IMO. Only the first game, so obviously he could play a lot better than this and show us that he's more than a DJ Murray.

[exstatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoEWOpN7zI

Top 5 projected pick in 2021 Jalen Green looks and plays like Dejounte Murray, IMO. Only the first game, so obviously he could play a lot better than this and show us that he's more than a DJ Murray.


I hate the whole idea of the Ignite. It’s just another stacked team, like they’re too good to go through the draft pool and play with regular gleague players. They almost lost their first game, and needed 50 YO Jarrett Jack to bail them out. The only game I really care about winning in the Gubble is #15, Spurs vs. Ignite.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/dejounte-murray-shouts-out-steph-curry-autographed-warriors-jersey


Steph Curry not only is a phenomenal basketball player, but he’s also a great dude too.
He sent a signed Warriors jersey of his own to San Antonio Spurs guard Dejounte Murray, saying “sky’s the limit” and to “keep going.”
Murray wrote in his Instagram story Wednesday that Steph was “a real one and a legend forever.”

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoEWOpN7zI

Top 5 projected pick in 2021 Jalen Green looks and plays like Dejounte Murray, IMO. Only the first game, so obviously he could play a lot better than this and show us that he's more than a DJ Murray.

he is a way better athlete than Murray which is one of the reasons he is going to get drafted super high. This kid is a really great athlete and his shooting stroke is already okay looking.

I do see where you are coming from as far as play style it’s a bit similar

[Dejounte]

he is a way better athlete than Murray which is one of the reasons he is going to get drafted super high. This kid is a really great athlete and his shooting stroke is already okay looking.

I do see where you are coming from as far as play style it’s a bit similar

For sure. I was going to edit in there "without the hops" but I declined to

[SpursDynasty85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoEWOpN7zI

Top 5 projected pick in 2021 Jalen Green looks and plays like Dejounte Murray, IMO. Only the first game, so obviously he could play a lot better than this and show us that he's more than a DJ Murray.

I see more Giannis than Murray. Kid looks like he will be pretty good.

[Dejounte]

I see more Giannis than Murray. Kid looks like he will be pretty good.
This is the video I meant to post. Watch this instead.
<b><a href="https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51537" target="_blank">D-Robinson 50 fan</a></b>

D-Robinson 50 fan

This captures turnovers and misses. Looked exactly like DJ.


https://youtu.be/eAYXocpPetE

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

This is the video I meant to post. Watch this instead.
<b><a href="https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51537" target="_blank">D-Robinson 50 fan</a></b>

D-Robinson 50 fan (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51537)

This captures turnovers and misses. Looked exactly like DJ.


https://youtu.be/eAYXocpPetE


I agreed their styles are some what similar in my post. Lol

looking at this video makes me kinda take back my comment on his shot though. Lol. He has a kinda push type shot. I think Murray has a more open/ wider right to left crossover he loves to do but yeah their approach is similar offensively

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1366959317748973569?s=19

[ace3g]

Check out the TOs as well

2020-21 Regular Season


Date
OPP
Result
MIN
FG
FG%
3PT
3P%
FT
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Tue 3/2
vshttps://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/ny.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks)NY (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks)
W

119-93
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401267701)
31
6-16
37.5
3-7
42.9
2-2
100.0
6
6
0
3
2
1
17


Mon 3/1
vshttps://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/bkn.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets)BKN (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets)
L

124-113 OT
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401267694)
37
8-15
53.3
1-2
50.0
2-2
100.0
6
8
0
0
3
2
19


march
37.0
8.0-15.0
53.3
1.0-2.0
50.0
2.0-2.0
100.0
6.0
8.0
0.0
0.0
3.0
2.0
19.0










Date
OPP
Result
MIN
FG
FG%
3PT
3P%
FT
FT%
REB
AST
BLK
STL
PF
TO
PTS


Sat 2/27
vshttps://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/no.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-pelicans)NO (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-pelicans)
W

117-114
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401267674)
37
7-16
43.8
2-4
50.0
2-3
66.7
6
7
1
3
0
0
18


Wed 2/24
@https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/okc.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder)OKC (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder)
L

102-99
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401267655)
32
12-20
60.0
0-1
0.0
3-4
75.0
9
6
0
2
3
0
27


Sun 2/14
@https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/cha.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/cha/charlotte-hornets)CHA (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/cha/charlotte-hornets)
W

122-110
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401267574)
32
10-22
45.5
0-5
0.0
6-6
100.0
12
6
0
2
0
0
26


Fri 2/12
@https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/atl.png&h=200&w=200 (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-hawks)ATL (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-hawks)
W

125-114
(http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401267557)
25
7-13
53.8
2-3
66.7
0-0
0.0
6
5
0
1
2
0
16

[Seventyniner]

38 AST versus 3 TO in the last 6 games. Hot damn.

[GAustex]

There was a time when ball protection for him was a problem. And catch and shoot 3s. And an effective mid range game. I guess to get picky he could improve his finishing at the rim WHICH is greatly improved too.

Gotta like what he has done to improve. Stay healthy young buck.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I’ve always liked him and believed in his development but I’d never have thought he’d become a low turnover, high AST to TO type of PG.