Mountaintop Monastery of Dejounte Murray

[Ice009]

LOL and you guys called me crazy when I said we should include him in trade packages.

What a bunch of idiots that overrate low end draft picks.

[Chinook]

LOL and you guys called me crazy when I said we should include him in trade packages.

What a bunch of idiots that overrate low end draft picks.

You thinking having a bad SL validates your argument is what's crazy.

[cutewizard]

DJM doesnt seem to be the PG we are looking for

[Ice009]

You thinking having a bad SL validates your argument is what's crazy.

Nope. It's got nothing to do with summer league. I didn't need to watch any SL to come to that conclusion. I just think he's a player that is a piss poor shooter that might take years to develop into a decent and dependable player. It's not in Kawhi's best interest to wait around for that to "maybe" happen.

If other teams were interested and were willing to wait it out for him to possibly reach his potential, then the Spurs should have tried trading him. He's not really in Kawhi and the team's timeline. He still could be a decent player this season, we'll see. However, when you don't have a feel for shooting, like appears to be the case with Dejounte, I don't have high hopes for him progressing quickly at all.

[picnroll]

LOL and you guys called me crazy when I said we should include him in trade packages.

What a bunch of idiots that overrate low end draft picks.

If you think he's such a piss poor player, which may well be the case since he's shown little ability to shoot the ball other than wild ass floaters and the occasional open three and his defense is so so, what makes you think he'd garner anything in a trade? You think you're one up on knowledge over 29 NBA GMs? At this point best move is to stay the course with Murray and pray.

[Chinook]

Nope. It's got nothing to do with summer league. I didn't need to watch any SL to come to that conclusion. I just think he's a player that is a piss poor shooter that might take years to develop into a decent and dependable player. It's not in Kawhi's best interest to wait around for that to "maybe" happen.

If other teams were interested and were willing to wait it out for him to possibly reach his potential, then the Spurs should have tried trading him. He's not really in Kawhi and the team's timeline. He still could be a decent player this season, we'll see. However, when you don't have a feel for shooting, like appears to be the case with Dejounte, I don't have high hopes for him progressing quickly at all.

Murray is a lottery ticket. You can't look at the downside to make your judgment. You don't lose anything by him taking time to get better. The Spurs spent several years pissing away prospects and picks trying to get marginally better, and it led to their dark age after their fourth title. Short-sighted trades won't do for the Spurs. That almost led to the team missing out on Kawhi altogether.

[Ice009]

If you think he's such a piss poor player, which may well be the case since he's shown little ability to shoot the ball other than wild ass floaters and the occasional open three and his defense is so so, what makes you think he'd garner anything in a trade? You think you're one up on knowledge over 29 NBA GMs? At this point best move is to stay the course with Murray and pray.


If other teams were interested and were willing to wait it out for him to possibly reach his potential, then the Spurs should have tried trading him. He's not really in Kawhi and the team's timeline. He still could be a decent player this season, we'll see. However, when you don't have a feel for shooting, like appears to be the case with Dejounte, I don't have high hopes for him progressing quickly at all.

I said it up here. If no one else was interested, then no problem, you keep him. I am pretty sure that his stock has now dropped big time after SL, though. If anyone was interested, they probably aren't anymore.

[picnroll]

Think my post was before your edit.

[ceperez]

Murray is a lottery ticket. You can't look at the downside to make your judgment. You don't lose anything by him taking time to get better. The Spurs spent several years pissing away prospects and picks trying to get marginally better, and it led to their dark age after their fourth title. Short-sighted trades won't do for the Spurs. That almost led to the team missing out on Kawhi altogether.

Can you imagine how bad the Spurs could have been if they couldn't trade away George Hill!

[BatManu20]

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[cd98]

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Below average?

[Chinook]

Needs to get the results to match the words. Hasn't been great so far.

[TheDoctor]

Contrary to Kawhi, DJ hasn't passed the "Talk the Talk... Crawl the Crawl" phase.

[DJR210]

All i see is a bunch of saying the things he thinks Pop wants to hear

[TheDoctor]

All i see is a bunch of saying the things he thinks Pop wants to hear
Gotta say he's been above average at that :lol

[Atl Spur]

He is one year into his quest.....patience is the best practice.

[Mr. Body]

892699019603886081

Let's aim for average first.

[rjv]

i prefer to make judgement on real games and not summer leagues and ST herd mentality. we'll see what murray can provide this year.

[SAGirl]

Less talk more action tbh. Needs to let his game do the talking...

[Chinook]

i prefer to make judgement on real games and not summer leagues and ST herd mentality. we'll see what murray can provide this year.

Murray's lack of good play in the SL wasn't really the issue for me. His relatively poor attitude was a red flag, though.

[cd98]

Murray's lack of good play in the SL wasn't really the issue for me. His relatively poor attitude was a red flag, though.

People complain that Parker is selfish. This guy seems like a street baller that is always looking for his shot, even more than Parker. But, gasp, he's no where near as good as Parker.

[Poolboy5623]

Dude needs to quit talking and start playing tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

892699019603886081
Interesting. He mentioned Parker, Kawhi, and Patty as mentors. Could've sworn some slurpers here told me they were paying Manure $14,000,000 to be a mentor for the young guys (because they certainly aren't paying him to be a positive on the court) :lol

Reality is Manure is about himself. Would've jumped ship to Philly in a second. Always goes hero more infront of 18k Mexicans at home etc

[BillMc]

Below average?
:lmao

[BillMc]

Dude needs to quit talking and start playing tbh
+1

[DJR210]

Dude needs to quit talking and start playing tbh

[ace3g]

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[tholdren]

Murray is a lottery ticket. You can't look at the downside to make your judgment. You don't lose anything by him taking time to get better. The Spurs spent several years pissing away prospects and picks trying to get marginally better, and it led to their dark age after their fourth title. Short-sighted trades won't do for the Spurs. That almost led to the team missing out on Kawhi altogether.

Lottery ticket just like every other aau flash in the pan. Just because you get a shot in the nba doesnt mean you are better than anyone who didnt. Its about luck, hype from media, and networking, just like anything else. If it was purely skill based, there would never be busts. Thats a fact.

Similarly, ive never seen a drafted pg unable to driblble the ball across half court. Murray is a first.

[ceperez]

896159317832810496

I guess he's not working out with Kawhi. Where are the tweets?

[exstatic]

I guess he's not working out with Kawhi. Where are the tweets?

Did you think they were moving in together? That ish was like 4-6 weeks ago.

[TimDunkem]

Did you think they were moving in together? That ish was like 4-6 weeks ago.
People here have no concept of time.

[Ice009]

Did you think they were moving in together? That ish was like 4-6 weeks ago.

He said that he was going to work with Kawhi later in the Summer. That was about 4 weeks ago. Are you saying that they already have?

Anyway, I'm not sure if they will. Kawhi's track record isn't the best with people he's supposed to work out with over the Summer. A few years ago he said he wanted to work with Tim Grover and then he was also supposed to work with Kobe last off-season, but neither of those ended up happening as far as I know.

[BatManu20]

Happy Birthday Youngblood. Hope you're a lot better this year than you were in SL tbh.

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[dabom]

:toast

[TheGreatYacht]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/c01_almost_spurs2_1225_65052058.jpg?w=1000&h=703
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJZtwr0UMAAh_p_.jpg:large

Going to be the best guard since TP

[tholdren]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/c01_almost_spurs2_1225_65052058.jpg?w=1000&h=703
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJZtwr0UMAAh_p_.jpg:large

Going to be the best guard since TP

W....t....f...

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[Namundy]

I really hope this kid isn't all instagram and snapchat hype. I enjoyed watching him play last year but he's still super raw.

[davidbowie]

guess things got serious....

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[apalisoc_9]

guess things got serious....

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Woman with color :tu

[BatManu20]

Lebron to the Spurs next summer confirmed.

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[tholdren]

I really hope this kid isn't all instagram and snapchat hype. I enjoyed watching him play last year but he's still super raw.

Its worse than raw. He attacks the rim which is great, but ive never seen a pg not be able to dribble while carrying it every bounce.

[DAF86]

guess things got serious....

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Bitches that put that kind of shit on social media are the first ones to be foolling around, tbh.

[tbdog]

guess things got serious....

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The best investment

[Chinook]

Is that's Murray's place? Would explain a lot.

[SAGirl]

Is that's Murray's place? Would explain a lot.
It has to be. I wouldn't have a shrine that big to a guy I am dating. A picture of both of us, yes. For an athlete, an action picture from a significant game would be nice, but a framed jersey and a posed picture is so blah. Not even as a fan, unless the guy was an all time great player. I am thinking that has to be his place.

[cd98]

guess things got serious....

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Her arms look bigger than his. Yikes. I guess he's going to get bullied this year too.

[MultiTroll]

Her arms look bigger than his. Yikes.
Ouch ya.
What happened to the offseason workout? Or is he just one of these genetic types that stays skinny regardless of the PED amounts? Naw even Shaun Livingston bulked up. What is up?

[ceds]

Seeing him go at Kyrie on national TV in one of his his first games with real mins + playoffs (game 6? against Houston) is enough for me to be a believer.

I don't have much to base this on but I think he has VERY flashy handles and we haven't even seen the half of it.

This kid if I remember right came up in Seattle with Jamal Crawford as his mentor since HS. Like another poster said he carries all the time just like Crawford...He just doesn't have the licence of maybe confidence to freelance like Jamal was able to

Check out his HS mix tapes

[MultiTroll]

Bitches that put that kind of shit on social media are the first ones to be foolling around, tbh.
Oh I think Murray will find his way to some white meat on the road.

[SAGirl]

Seeing him go at Kyrie on national TV in one of his his first games with real mins + playoffs (game 6? against Houston) is enough for me to be a believer.

I don't have much to base this on but I think he has VERY flashy handles and we haven't even seen the half of it.

This kid if I remember right came up in Seattle with Jamal Crawford as his mentor since HS. Like another poster said he carries all the time just like Crawford...He just doesn't have the licence of maybe confidence to freelance like Jamal was able to

Check out his HS mix tapes
I have. He has a fairly high usage when he plays. It's not like he's KA out there. He has the ball a lot and takes shots and is aggressive a lot. I don't think license to shoot is an issue. The issue is he's not good enough yet. He's a bad shooter and very TO prone. He does have a lot of potential and is frankly too young still. I would expect him to be better this season. He might even surprise us bc he was poor in summer league and may be improving. Going to be interesting to watch him.

[ceds]

Not the licence to shoot .
I was talking about handles and comparing them to Jamal who is a very unique player and similar style

Can you imagine if pop coached Jamal as a rookie or at any point in his career.
His game would have been reigned in significantly

[SAGirl]

Not the licence to shoot .
I was talking about handles and comparing them to Jamal who is a very unique player and similar style

Can you imagine if pop coached Jamal as a rookie or at any point in his career.
His game would have been reigned in significantly
I can't agree bc Dejounte is TO at a very high rate frankly. Too much at this point. He does need to reign in his dribble. If he wasn't TO being careless and fancy I am sure it wouldn't be an issue if he was fancy or stylish. But right now that isn't helping.

[Mr. Body]

Seeing him go at Kyrie on national TV in one of his his first games with real mins + playoffs (game 6? against Houston) is enough for me to be a believer.

I don't have much to base this on but I think he has VERY flashy handles and we haven't even seen the half of it.

This kid if I remember right came up in Seattle with Jamal Crawford as his mentor since HS. Like another poster said he carries all the time just like Crawford...He just doesn't have the licence of maybe confidence to freelance like Jamal was able to

Check out his HS mix tapes

I lost faith when he completely shat the bed in the Summer League. Maybe he'll be alright. Whatevs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dejounte is the best prospect we've had since Kawhi, you can take that for what it's worth but he's the only player on the team with potential to get better (again aside from Kawhi)

[RD2191]

Her arms look bigger than his. Yikes. I guess he's going to get bullied this year too.

Dude definitely needs to hit the weight room.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wait, nostalgia vanilla fans still think you have to be some physical specimen in order to be good in this league? :lol

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33400000/kevin-durant-kevin-durant-33482733-1024-721.jpg
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/purdy/files/2015/11/Curry.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Miami+Heat+v+Boston+Celtics+3NjcNaGv0NNx.jpg
http://www.trbimg.com/img-55147d8e/turbine/la-sp-cn-clippers-jamal-crawford-return-20150326
http://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/ok4/ok4hd3-b88881875z.120170121010534000gidl9kvp.10.jpg

Put away the VHS tapes of low scoring 90's post up ball. Please.

[ceds]

That's because just a 19 year old learning the most rigid offense in the NBA & probably spent most of his D league time focusing on how to play and guard P&R.
He looked lost at times when he had chances running the offense and certainly no allowance to freelance dribble or iso.

The little evidence we saw was the Cleveland game where he just pretty much attacked every time he had the ball (i believe he was told pre game that he would get his chance). From memory no points were off the p&r, all iso or attacking in transition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erffaiamRVo

My take is that he is an iso player who has big confidence with true scoring instincts....

Its hard to compare him to current players.

Jordan Clarkson = Is better then DJ now but i wouldn't make the trade. i believe DJ is more talented & explosive

Jamal Crawford - A more refined version if we are very lucky

James Harden :smokin:smokin:smokin

[cd021]

Dejounte is the best prospect we've had since Kawhi, you can take that for what it's worth but he's the only player on the team with potential to get better (again aside from Kawhi)

Agreed that he is the best prospect the spurs have had since 2011. Really like his upside and trust that the Spurs coaching staff can help him continue to progress.

[tholdren]

Wait, nostalgia vanilla fans still think you have to be some physical specimen in order to be good in this league? :lol

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/33400000/kevin-durant-kevin-durant-33482733-1024-721.jpg
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/purdy/files/2015/11/Curry.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Miami+Heat+v+Boston+Celtics+3NjcNaGv0NNx.jpg
http://www.trbimg.com/img-55147d8e/turbine/la-sp-cn-clippers-jamal-crawford-return-20150326
http://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/ok4/ok4hd3-b88881875z.120170121010534000gidl9kvp.10.jpg

Put away the VHS tapes of low scoring 90's post up ball. Please.

Because the league is for non athletes who travel and carry. Rules were made to appease dumb people who think the game is only about scoring. When you have that, the game goes from tactical to streetball...

[cd98]

Murray is a poor ball handler for an NBA point guard. Truth is that he doesn't have to be a great ball handler. He just needs to pass the ball to another player when he is guarded by a good ball pressure guard. Part of his embarrassment in Houston was that he tried to fancy dribble around Patrick Beverly...PATRICK BEVERLY...a really good ball hawk. He should have checked his pride and got that ball to Manu or whoever. Once in the half court, he only needs three dribbles or less to get to the rim. But when you are getting ball pressure bringing the ball up, just use your height and advance the ball to the 2 guard. He figured that out after his embarrassment in Houston and started throwing it over the top.

[cd98]

Now how that guy with skinny arms is going to finish at the RIM consistantly in the NBA, I do not know.

[SAGirl]

That's because just a 19 year old learning the most rigid offense in the NBA & probably spent most of his D league time focusing on how to play and guard P&R.
He looked lost at times when he had chances running the offense and certainly no allowance to freelance dribble or iso.

The little evidence we saw was the Cleveland game where he just pretty much attacked every time he had the ball (i believe he was told pre game that he would get his chance). From memory no points were off the p&r, all iso or attacking in transition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erffaiamRVo

My take is that he is an iso player who has big confidence with true scoring instincts....

Its hard to compare him to current players.

Jordan Clarkson = Is better then DJ now but i wouldn't make the trade. i believe DJ is more talented & explosive

Jamal Crawford - A more refined version if we are very lucky

James Harden :smokin:smokin:smokin
Now 21.still very young but no longer 19

[TheGreatYacht]

21 is still younger than 24 though. Fathead is 24 and some fluffers still say he has potential

[Chinook]

21 is still younger than 24 though. Fathead is 24 and some fluffers still say he has potential

a) 21 and 24 are both young
b) Anderson is way more effective than Murray

[TheGreatYacht]

a) 21 and 24 are both young
b) Anderson is way more effective than Murray
a) Anthony Bennett is 24. By that age you can start to get an idea if you're good or trash
b) Kyle is trash
c) Murray's rookie season >>>>>> Kyle's rookie season

[dabom]

Can someone give me some prime HEB steak Fathead per36 numbers? :lol

[ceds]

Big season for Kyle....He needs to show out!

No excuses

[cd98]

a) Anthony Bennett is 24. By that age you can start to get an idea if you're good or trash
b) Kyle is trash
c) Murray's rookie season >>>>>> Kyle's rookie season

In fairness, Kyle dominated summer league and Murray looked like he wouldn't have gotten a camp invite if he didn't already have a guaranteed contract. I don't know that either have 10 year careers in the NBA. I did see Kyle working hard on his game. In fairness, Murray did post a bunch of inspirational quotes about how he's going to be a force.

[SAGirl]

Not a Kyle thread tbh. If course TGTRoll will make it so.
I do wish Dijon a good season fwiw. Might even surprise us.

[Mr. Body]

In fairness, Kyle dominated summer league and Murray looked like he wouldn't have gotten a camp invite if he didn't already have a guaranteed contract. I don't know that either have 10 year careers in the NBA. I did see Kyle working hard on his game. In fairness, Murray did post a bunch of inspirational quotes about how he's going to be a force.

Those quotes tho

[ceds]

I put 0 stock into his recent summer league . It's highly likely he was told to do some very specific things (This is going back a long way but TD's summer league was left hooks only and people were worried lol)

What's more impressive to you?

Anderson dominating summer L 2 years ago or Murray's late season & playoffs as a rookie

[cd98]

I put 0 stock into his recent summer league . It's highly likely he was told to do some very specific things (This is going back a long way but TD's summer league was left hooks only and people were worried lol)

What's more impressive to you?

Anderson dominating summer L 2 years ago or Murray's late season & playoffs as a rookie

Neither. Murray was terrible in the playoffs and late season. Not sure why the myth persists that he had a good season. His play only emphasized why Parker is still relevant on this team. I hope Murray does have a good year, but he played horrible in every aspect of of the game this summer.

[ceds]

well you just need to read this thread to see how many were very excited (even calling star potential) about Murray after playoffs and then posters backing off after this summer league.

Summer league means shit...its been proven time and time again.

I'll take his elimination game against Houston..

[Chinook]

I put 0 stock into his recent summer league . It's highly likely he was told to do some very specific things (This is going back a long way but TD's summer league was left hooks only and people were worried lol)

What's more impressive to you?

Anderson dominating summer L 2 years ago or Murray's late season & playoffs as a rookie

If Murray had had Kyle's SL rather than his rookie season, I would be happier. Kyle showed he could get his own shot and hit it at a high clip. Murray is still extremely inconsistent or bad at everything. Him putting together a string of steady games showing a few things he could hang his hat one would be amazing right now.

Should he be written off after the summer league? Fuck no. That'd be ridiculous. I still expect him to be the starter going into the year. But he deserves some flack for a) sucking it up after hyping himself over and over and b) showing a piss-poor attitude when things weren't going his way. Those things make me wonder if he believes that success is a matter of waiting rather than and ever-rising bar he has to hit. "Good, better, best", and all that.

Kawhi invited some teammates to work out with him this summer. He didn't make a big announcement about it or post it on Instagram. He just wanted to get better with some folks. Murray bragged about it over and over. It would do him some good to pump the breaks on that type of attitude, at least in his own mind until he can back that talk up. I love him being vocal, but that can't be his most developed attribute.

[ceds]

Summer league MVP

2014 - Glen rice jr
2015 - Kyle Anderson
2016 - thus jones

Lottery picks rarely play but you see the pattern here of experienced guys beating up on one and done's than getting exposed at the next level.

Look at the MVP list for the last 15 seasons ...I'd be willing to bet less then half stuck in the league

Murray had his coming out on nation TV against Cle
A decent playoffs capped off by an elimation closeout which was probably his best game.

DJ could average 30 & 10 in summer league and it wouldn't mean shit

[pad300]

Can someone give me some prime HEB steak Fathead per36 numbers? :lol

Per 40 is easier to find (from last year, Kyle vs Murray vs Bennett vs Clarkson) :

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=1397&player_ids%5B%5D=3188&player_ids%5B%5D=1484&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2016

[tholdren]

Per 40 is easier to find (from last year, Kyle vs Murray vs Bennett vs Clarkson) :

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=1397&player_ids%5B%5D=3188&player_ids%5B%5D=1484&player_ids%5B%5D=1464&season=2016

Per 40... per 36... per anything... means little

[SAGirl]

I put 0 stock into his recent summer league . It's highly likely he was told to do some very specific things (This is going back a long way but TD's summer league was left hooks only and people were worried lol)

What's more impressive to you?

Anderson dominating summer L 2 years ago or Murray's late season & playoffs as a rookie
I will give him cheers if he has a good season personally.

Should Dijon also prove to be better than he was/has been so far that's what I am hoping for, some improvement. This past season and poor summer will be in the rearview mirror if he has a better season.

[SAGirl]

If Murray had had Kyle's SL rather than his rookie season, I would be happier. Kyle showed he could get his own shot and hit it at a high clip. Murray is still extremely inconsistent or bad at everything. Him putting together a string of steady games showing a few things he could hang his hat one would be amazing right now.

Should he be written off after the summer league? Fuck no. That'd be ridiculous. I still expect him to be the starter going into the year. But he deserves some flack for a) sucking it up after hyping himself over and over and b) showing a piss-poor attitude when things weren't going his way. Those things make me wonder if he believes that success is a matter of waiting rather than and ever-rising bar he has to hit. "Good, better, best", and all that.

Kawhi invited some teammates to work out with him this summer. He didn't make a big announcement about it or post it on Instagram. He just wanted to get better with some folks. Murray bragged about it over and over. It would do him some good to pump the breaks on that type of attitude, at least in his own mind until he can back that talk up. I love him being vocal, but that can't be his most developed attribute.
You have a good point in that it's actually been a contradiction to see him hype himself up and express aspirations to be a star etc... and then come out like one of the worst players in that tournament. Had he been humble about the whole thing it wouldn't be that shocking.

But his play and the attitude he had: that he's always been a leader, never a follower, that he's not here to be ordinary etc. All of that didn't go with neither his attitude nor the way he was playing.

It's so different from what I heard from Bertans say and others, even if they didn't have a great performance.

Dijon can take a page from Kawhi's book and let his game do the talking. Instead so far he's been all bark and no bite. I am ready for this young pup to start biting more and barking less.

[ceds]

Not everyone has TDs & Kawhi's personality type

Kid is young and enjoying life. As long as he is putting in work who cares what he posts on social media?

He's clearly very confident....in the right circumstance it can work out to his advantage.

As for Kyle...This season is make or break....i wish he had half the confidence of Murray so he'd jack those open 3's!

[Chinook]

We need to see evidence that he's put in the work. We didn't get that in July. You can make excuses or uae false logic to dismiss that, and indeed it may not end up mattering. But in the very least seeing him suck it up against bad competition and then mope around because of it was a wet blanket.

[ceds]

No fair enough, i can totally agree with seeing evidence that he is putting in work.

As for summer league play...like i said earlier - summer league doesn't mean shit and its been proven time and again.
Lets not debate decent playoff game(s) > summer league MVP because its not close


If he's out at the clubs (like green) then we have a problem because he's in a critical stage of his development right now.
Hopefully DJ saw first hand the work involved with kawhi this off-season (3 x sessions a day) and has followed suit.

I want his confidence as high as possible tbh so who cares if he needs to boost his ego . He's just a kid....not your typical "over yourself" spur but clearly to good to pass at 29

Like i was saying.... As long as he's putting in the work and taking care of his body then who cares how many girls he bangs or what he posts.



The proof wil be in the season so we'll have to wait. Hopefully all our young guys have moved up a level

[DAF86]

Manu talked about Murray on media day. He said that Murray was injured during SL that's why he struggled. and that he sees all-star potential in him.

[Atl Spur]

I'll trust Manu's assessment.

[Ice009]

Manu talked about Murray on media day. He said that Murray was injured during SL that's why he struggled. and that he sees all-star potential in him.

I didn't hear him say Summer League. I heard him say that he was injured for a couple of weeks, but I thought he meant he was injured for a couple of weeks during the past month that Manu has spent in the open gym workouts.

[SAGirl]

Manu talked about Murray on media day. He said that Murray was injured during SL that's why he struggled. and that he sees all-star potential in him.


I didn't hear him say Summer League. I heard him say that he was injured for a couple of weeks, but I thought he meant he was injured for a couple of weeks during the past month that Manu has spent in the open gym workouts.
I agree with you Ice. He didn't say anything about summer league. Manu was traveling and enjoying his vacation with his family during the summer and didn't even know if he'd be back right then. He even mentioned in the context of a question about LMA that he only heard some rumors but didn't know any details or anything about LMA trades. I doubt he knew even less of why Murray had a dissappointing summer league.

What I found more encouraging was Manu's statement that Murray had barely vacationed or rested and had been working hard all summer. That gives me hope he's going to be improved, maybe even very much improved with more playing time opportunities.

He did mention he had been working hard the past month except fir a couple of weeks he got injured. I do recall he was injured about 6 weeks last season coinciding with the last month and a half of the season. I hope he has a good season and doesn't turn out to be injury prone frankly. The team already has delicate hamstrings, Achilles tendons, knees, age dudes etc.

He state his potential is visible and he could be an all star someday, which is high praise but it's hard to know when. It may be soon or it may take 5 years. It depends on Dejounte himself.

[ceds]

That's good enough for me!
How many years did it take TP or Manu to become an All-Star?

I haven't seen the presser yet but if Murray has committed to the 3 x 2hr kawhi off-season plan that is extremely encouraging. Hopefully he has improved and is given some leeway

[DAF86]

That's good enough for me!
How many years did it take TP or Manu to become an All-Star?

I haven't seen the presser yet but if Murray has committed to the 3 x 2hr kawhi off-season plan that is extremely encouraging. Hopefully he has improved and is given some leeway

Manu was an all-star in his third season. Tony in his fifth.

[TheGreatYacht]

That's good enough for me!
How many years did it take TP or Manu to become an All-Star?

I haven't seen the presser yet but if Murray has committed to the 3 x 2hr kawhi off-season plan that is extremely encouraging. Hopefully he has improved and is given some leeway
Parker became an All Star at age 23. Manu at age 27

[cd98]

Parker became an All Star at age 23. Manu at age 27

Yes but both were heavy contributors well before they were all stars. Murray hasn't had near the impact that either had when they first came in the league. I hope he can contribute this year, but summer league has me worried. And if he plays like he did last year, he'll contribute one out of every 15 games. We'll need much more than that.

[ceds]

Just read this thread from playoffs to post summer league to get an idea of the backtracking, fence sitting and change of opinion.

I'm going to maintain my opinion that the most important part of DJ's off-season was the amount of work he put in and that his summer league doesn't mean a damn thing.
I showed some pretty good evidence of that responding to posts about Kyle's MVP summer league being more impressive then DJ's rookie year which outlined the history of how the MVP's are often exposed at the next level and believe DJ playoffs was 1000x more important for his development (and the fact that he was fearless). No moment is to big or he's just to dumb to know any better :lol Whatever the case it's rare.

I think some people have unrealistic expectations of how much time a player spends working on his game during the off-season. Most guys just play pickup and do gym sessions. Do you realize how hard it is to commit to the 3 x 2hr sessions kawhi does?

Do we have enough evidence to support he is on the right track now Chinook?

- We know the DJ went to work with kawhi at some point this summer and got to see up close and personal what it takes.
- We have Manu saying in his presser Murray put in the work all summer & that he has star potential.
- Lebron just called him out on twitter as his lil bro. Can you think of 2 better mentors then the King & the King slayer? Nobody works harder then those guys

can we get some official predictions from all the big name posters on the board? (Let's leave Kyle out of this)

- What kind of skill set & player does Murray remind you of?
- Give a best & worst case scenario as a player.
- Make your call on what level he will reach.

I gave my takes on this a couple of pages ago but here's a mix-tape that shows the kind of handles & hesitation package he has. He needs leeway from Pop and confidence do try these in NBA games like Jamal.....i think it will be a slow process like we saw with Manu but if he's good enough Pop will eventually let him go.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdrblx4Yspw

[Ice009]

We know the DJ went to work with kawhi at some point this summer and got to see up close and personal what it takes.


Did this actually happen, though? I read about them supposed to workout together during the off-season, but not about it actually happening.

[ceds]

i think so?

Posters were saying he was bragging about working out with Kawhi on his twitter or something.

What's your call on DJ?

[SAGirl]

I never got Kyle into this fwiw. That was TGY whose sole pose s troll_hating.
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He needs a lot of work on his shot and his go to move, his floater needs a to be reliable and he needs to tighten up his dribble and be more careful. It's impossible to predict how he will play bc he didn't shoot well at all even in the playoffs. To me his playoff performance was impactful bc of his activity level, rebounds, loose balls or steals he got and obviously his aggressiveness but he didn't shoot well nor was he very effective and his handle was poor + his TO plenty, or not even TO but near TO that disrupted sets. His improvement in weak areas wasn't seen in summer league so, I can't predict anything. I do think he will be improved. He's still young and in the ages that players can make substantial changes, even leaps from one season to the next. I am optimistic.... but how much he will have improved? No I can't say.

[SAGirl]

Did this actually happen, though? I read about them supposed to workout together during the off-season, but not about it actually happening.
It was supposed to happen but Kawhi then went to China and had other things going. Bc Kawhi is so private I don't think any picture or video would get out anyways but considering Kawhi's busy summer I don't think it happened.

[Ice009]

It was supposed to happen but Kawhi then went to China and had other things going. Bc Kawhi is so private I don't think any picture or video would get out anyways but considering Kawhi's busy summer I don't think it happened.

I don't need pictures or video, I just wanted to know if either of them mentioned it. If not, one of the reporters should ask.

Man, those San Antonio reporters really do suck ass. They don't seem to ask any decent questions most of the time. I also don't think it happened.

[ceds]

Yeah they are hopeless. The spurs have full control of the SA media it seems

I miss Ludden.....The difference in beat reporting since he left is night and day

[SAGirl]

I don't need pictures or video, I just wanted to know if either of them mentioned it. If not, one of the reporters should ask.

Man, those San Antonio reporters really do suck ass. They don't seem to ask any decent questions most of the time. I also don't think it happened.
I didn't see anything from Kyle, but Kyle is private. The videos that leaked out if him training over the summer came from other sources and not him, bc he worked out with some other high profile guys. I know he worked out with Cojo and Kawhi b4 his 2nd season and he also did in b4 the 3rd and can't even remember where I saw it bc it wasn't an instagram post. Maybe media mentioned it in some article.

I am going to assume they didn't get around to it unless I see otherwise somewhere.

[ceds]

I never got Kyle into this fwiw. That was TGY whose sole pose s troll_hating.
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He needs a lot of work on his shot and his go to move, his floater needs a to be reliable and he needs to tighten up his dribble and be more careful. It's impossible to predict how he will play bc he didn't shoot well at all even in the playoffs. To me his playoff performance was impactful bc of his activity level, rebounds, loose balls or steals he got and obviously his aggressiveness but he didn't shoot well nor was he very effective and his handle was poor + his TO plenty, or not even TO but near TO that disrupted sets. His improvement in weak areas wasn't seen in summer league so, I can't predict anything. I do think he will be improved. He's still young and in the ages that players can make substantial changes, even leaps from one season to the next. I am optimistic.... but how much he will have improved? No I can't say.

DJ did not have a season. Maybe 10-20 games so take any per numbers with a grain of salt.

It's the fearlessness that he displayed in a few of those games that you cant teach...Stack5 had it as a young guy here and so did Parker. He made a fool of himself sometimes but i love that confidence. This is a rookie that had Pat fucking Beverley hands all over & even checking him full court in the playoffs and DJ has the audacity to try and pull some shit on him (anyone remember Beno shit his pants as a rookie when Hunter did the same to him in the finals? :lol).

It's his closeout game in Hou that stands out the most to me because in addition to attacking he really impacted the game by using his athleticism and sticking his nose in for boards and steals. I don't even recall his point total but i know he had 10 boards and 5 steals. Jamal wishes he could have had games like that against us in the playoffs to go with his scoring.

We don't have allot of evidence but we do have enough to make a player evaluation and prediction as to what kind of player he will be.

Isn't that half the fun of this board? Make a pick....we can all change our minds at the end of the season.

It was Chinook and CD who i was mostly asking because it was them who challenged my opinion on DJ and their preference to Kyle's summer League MVP as a better talent indicator to DJ's playoffs then have stayed quiet after i defended my position.


Is starting a thread on a best/worst case for our young guys DJ/Kyle/Bertan's/white a good idea or has it been discussed enough already?

[SAGirl]

DJ did not have a season. Maybe 10-20 games so take any per numbers with a grain of salt.

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Is starting a thread on a best/worst case for our young guys DJ/Kyle/Bertan's/white a good idea or has it been discussed enough already?
Dijon played in the dleague enough and he played the minutes available. I am taking all of DJ minutes into account. He's never shot well. Never, not in college, that's why he fell to the 29 th pick, not in the dleague, not in the playoffs and not in summer league. He's been shades of streaky, some games he looks like a star but then he has a lot of bad thrown in. Just putting it out there that my opinion isn't based on a few minutes here or there or some summer league games here or there. It's actually your opinion that's colored by a couple of good games, ignoring all the bad in between.

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There are churches fir all those guys. White had a lengthy thread abut his potential around draft day. Bertans has a church thread that's fairly active but you cab start threads if you want. Personally I prefer bumping old threads so that I cM find stuff quickly if I want to, but you are welcome to post your own if you want to.

[JuneJive]

I think he would excel in a "Kawhi" type build-up.

Defense first. He's got the body for it. Forget skinny, he's long and keeps getting smarter.

[ceds]

i was not asking you to justify why you think DJ could be a bust (of course he could). Just a prediction from you and others about the level DJ can reach in a best/worst case scenario and type of player he will ultimately end up for ua.

But since you mentioned the DLeague ....I'll say it again. D league, summer League = BUSH LEAGUE....DJ's working on specific things, learning the offense and guarding p&r. Throw his numbers out of the window and just look at some of the things he did in high pressure moments as a rookie in some of the games he was given a chance.

Look up a player we drafted called Marcus Williams who basically averaged a tripple double in D League & then was exposed as per par. I'm not making this shit up, It's been proven time and again

[SPURt]

If Manu believes he will be an all star, I'll second that notion. I believe he will put in the work to develop a reliable jumper/3 point shot, mature to limit his turnovers, and become a good defender. He's got just as much raw talent as any late first rounder I can remember, put that in the Spurs culture and good things happen.

[SAGirl]

i was not asking you to justify why you think DJ could be a bust (of course he could). Just a prediction from you and others about the level DJ can reach in a best/worst case scenario and type of player he will ultimately end up for ua.

But since you mentioned the DLeague ....I'll say it again. D league, summer League = BUSH LEAGUE....DJ's working on specific things, learning the offense and guarding p&r. Throw his numbers out of the window and just look at some of the things he did in high pressure moments as a rookie in some of the games he was given a chance.

Look up a player we drafted called Marcus Williams who basically averaged a tripple double in D League & then was exposed as per par. I'm not making this shit up, It's been proven time and again
When you have never shot well, ever at any bush league or decent league, or any kind of league and yet you expect to be an all star it's fair to bring that up and question it frankly. Again, I can't say much about the future. Like Manu said, he has a lot of potential and he could improve soon or take time doing it. We just don't know.

[ceds]

Scouts do this for a living - Just visit sites like DX to see detailed reports of 100's of prospects under 18 where they try to project a ceiling or NBA comparison for the player

and DJ is not a a shooter he is a scorer who can get streaky. Another small sample was when he started the Denver game and got hot from behind the arc. i thought it was more but after watching the clip he made 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-b_8Sj5wLI
I also believe he may struggle with his jumper and distance during his career but we witnessed TP completely rebuild his jumps shot from scratch and become reliable from mid range so maybe.
I'm more concerned with seeing him finish in the paint. Right now he relies on floaters and tear drops which is not a good shot but again TP went through this same process as a player and became elite in the paint by his 5th year.

You are just sitting on the fence after a full NBA season & playoffs instead of giving your opinion. Just take your best guess now and lets see if you feel the same way after the season.

It wasn't a difficult question. For example:

Prediction for Bertan's
Best case - Athletic Ryan Anderson or a little bit of Peja
Worst case - Matt Bonner
No star potential but could become one of the elite stretch 4 role players.

[Chinook]

It was Chinook and CD who i was mostly asking because it was them who challenged my opinion on DJ and their preference to Kyle's summer League MVP as a better talent indicator to DJ's playoffs then have stayed quiet after i defended my position.

Pretty sure we went back and forth for a bit on the summer league. You use examples of player who had good summer leagues but weren't NBA stars (which is how Anderson actually got brought into this). But this was a fallacious argument. There are significantly more examples of a) Players who are good having good or at least solid summer leagues and b) Players who have a handful of good games but don't turn out to be good players. Murray's summer league in 2016 was fine. He was selfish and had issues with shot-selection (meaning the floaters thing you've touched on). But for a rookie, he was fine.

The main area where I think we disagree is that you seem to have a completely different idea of what summer league is for than I do. It is not about showcasing talent. Playing poorly doesn't mean you lack talent. But for second- and third-year players, the summer league is all about showing improved skill-sets and expanded roles. Kyle was known as a passer who couldn't really shoot his rookie season. That he came into the summer league and dominated as an iso scorer was impressive, because it showed he had a completely different side to his game. Add that to his defensive boosts, and you got a guy who seemed like a one-trick pony and you ended up with a very completely prospect.

Murray hasn't shown much improvement to his game. We already knew he was a streaky scorer who has the talent to make good passes. His First Go-Around SL was fine because he showed he could do that against better competition. But the Second Iteration should have been him with a better shot or a stronger body to go along with a refined game. We didn't get that. We got insanely bad offense, poor scoring and bad attitude. That's not damning to him. But for a second-year guy, it wasn't meaningless. Murray's not a rookie anymore. The SL should have been beneath his level just like it was with Anderson and Kawhi (and almost every second-year player worth their salt).

The reason why his regular- and post-season games don't outweigh that is because they didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. He was streaky as hell in his games, shooting under 40 percent in half of them (only counting games where he took more than four shots). In the post-season, he was just as inconsistent. He had a couple of games where he racked up steals, but he did the same thing in college. It was nice but not unexpected. Nothing he did was bad for a rookie, and some of it was reaffirming. It doesn't outweigh the summer league, though. They were measuring different things. Murray had a solid starting-off point, but he hasn't really shown improvement yet.

[Chinook]

Also, some folks don't like making "predictions". They serve no real function but to give people something to brag about. I have no idea if Murray is going to be a good player or not. I barely know what he'd need to do for me to consider him as such. All I know is that I hope he is.

[ceds]

1. I didn’t bring up Kyle it was CD & yourself stating that you prefer Kyles summer league > DJ’s playoffs. So then I defended my stance.
2. You said you needed evidence that DJ has been putting in work I gave a detailed post showing what we know so far.

Some people don’t like making predictions on how our top young players will turn out on a spurs message board? :lol

You make a many posts a day on this board on less interesting subjects so i don't buy it. Another poster said you run the FA & draft board here?

I'm genuinely interested to know your and other posters thoughts on floor/ceiling not just on Murray but for a few of the young guys.

Anyway, i just watched his latest presser. He's clearly been media trained and says the right things so its hard to take much from it but you can tell he is hungry for that starting spot to start the season.
"I'm not afraid of the moment" reminds me of jax "i make love to pressure" type confidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSY8CDP91LA

[TimDunkem]

Also, some folks don't like making "predictions". They serve no real function but to give people something to brag about. I have no idea if Murray is going to be a good player or not. I barely know what he'd need to do for me to consider him as such. All I know is that I hope he is.
Shame. I was hoping that you would say he's terrible, then I would know for certain that he's going to be a great player.

[TimDunkem]

1. I didn’t bring up Kyle it was CD & yourself stating that you prefer Kyles summer league > DJ’s playoffs. So then I defended my stance.
2. You said you needed evidence that DJ has been putting in work I gave a detailed post showing what we know so far.

Some people don’t like making predictions on how our top young players will turn out on a spurs message board? :lol

You make a many posts a day on this board on less interesting subjects so i don't buy it. Another poster said you run the FA & draft board here?

I'm genuinely interested to know your and other posters thoughts on floor/ceiling not just on Murray but for a few of the young guys.

Anyway, i just watched his latest presser. He's clearly been media trained and says the right things so its hard to take much from it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSY8CDP91LA
I wouldn't listen to Chinook unless you want to know CBA minutia. Most here agree that he's shitty at evaluating basketball players.

[ceds]

Got it.

I'm going to try and post some more this season so I'm sure i'll figure out the different personalities here pretty soon.

[Chinook]

Shame. I was hoping that you would say he's terrible, then I would know for certain that he's going to be a great player.

Again, tell us how LMA was definitely going to be traded this summer.

[Chinook]

1. I didn’t bring up Kyle it was CD & yourself stating that you prefer Kyles summer league > DJ’s playoffs. So then I defended my stance.

You're correct that you didn't bring up Anderson first. I apologize for that. I just knew I did. cd98 was the one who brought in Kyle's SL performance.


2. You said you needed evidence that DJ has been putting in work I gave a detailed post showing what we know so far.


If you mean my most recent post, I said we needed to see evidence that he was getting better, not that he was trying. I am not sure what post you're referring to. A lot of times you don't quote me on a response, and I miss something you said.


Some people don’t like making predictions on how our top young players will turn out on a spurs message board? :lol

Yes, some people don't, which is why a bunch of folks here haven't said anything.


You make a many posts a day on this board on less interesting subjects so i don't buy it. Another poster said you run the FA & draft board here?

I do do that. And I post pretty frequently here. But I would rather analyze than speculate. I might mention what I think has to happen for the team or a player to succeed (like saying Murray has to be able to do X, Y or Z or that White has a desirable skill-set for a starting PG), but I'm not keen to say what is going to happen. And you almost definitely won't catch me using subjective probability.


Anyway, i just watched his latest presser. He's clearly been media trained and says the right things so its hard to take much from it but you can tell he is hungry for that starting spot to start the season.
"I'm not afraid of the moment" reminds me of jax "i make love to pressure" type confidence.

I have mentioned my affinity for Murray's confidence multiple times in this and other threads. He says the right things, and if he becomes great, his personality will contrast well with Kawhi's.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't listen to Chinook unless you want to know CBA minutia. Most here agree that he's shitty at evaluating basketball players.

Says "don't listen to this guy"

Proceeds to follow him around trying to see what he says.

Glad I don't have any pigtails for you to pull.

[TimDunkem]

You should tell ceds how you didn't believe Kawhi should get his max extension after his rookie contract. :lol

[Chinook]

You should tell ceds how you didn't believe Kawhi should get his max extension after his rookie contract. :lol

I would be lying. Even Dabom acknowledges that I supported the Spurs giving him the max. Though I guess you could split hairs to say I was against the extension (that they didn't offer), because I wanted them to save cap space for 2015. Turned out okay.

[SAGirl]

I do wonder what it means for DJ if Bryn Forbes breaks out in the rotation bc he did have a good summer and POp mentioned he didn't want to talk about the young players bc he wants to let them battle minutes out, but Bryn was having a great summer and that can't be denied. There's a chance that Pop starts Patty due to him being more experienced and reliable and Bryn can better step in for Patty in the bench and replace his spacing and shooting. I bet it's at least one if the possibilities being considered.

[SAGirl]

1. I didn’t bring up Kyle it was CD & yourself stating that you prefer Kyles summer league > DJ’s playoffs. So then I defended my stance.
2. You said you needed evidence that DJ has been putting in work I gave a detailed post showing what we know so far.

Some people don’t like making predictions on how our top young players will turn out on a spurs message board? :lol

You make a many posts a day on this board on less interesting subjects so i don't buy it. Another poster said you run the FA & draft board here?

I'm genuinely interested to know your and other posters thoughts on floor/ceiling not just on Murray but for a few of the young guys.

Anyway, i just watched his latest presser. He's clearly been media trained and says the right things so its hard to take much from it but you can tell he is hungry for that starting spot to start the season.
"I'm not afraid of the moment" reminds me of jax "i make love to pressure" type confidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSY8CDP91LA
He's a smart player. He definitely says the right things. It's easy to root for him bc he's naturally gifted for some aspects. I'd love it if he broke out this season but it's also unfair to expect that he will and then if he struggles some turn on him and say he's not going to pan out. It's really early in his career. He may struggle some, but how resilient he is to bounce back and keep working eventually that rock will crack. Maybe it won't crack in October 2017. I don't expect it to... but later? Gradually? Sure. The potential is there and he works hard enough that it can be possible.

[rjv]

can there really be any modicum of formal logic applied to the discussion of whether or not dejonte will be a star or even a role player for the spurs? highly unlikely. in the end, all that matters is anecdotal evidence and ceds brings up a valid point as to whether the best type of the former comes from a summer league or an NBA playoff game. now, one can go from there to, at best, proffer an opinion but that opinion would be based on a certain degree of conjecture. unless we get someone from inside the spurs organization to chime in on what was asked of murray in the summer league and what the impression of his performance was, we really are just stuck in conjecture. the bottom line is that we will see what his role is to start the season and how he progresses (or does not progress) from that point on. but i think we call can agree that it would be great if he were to somehow turn into the player everyone wants him to become.

[ceds]

I'll keep it to a minimum Chinook because i can't quote on here properly (include posters name?) yet & i cbf pulling up all of the quotes in the Kyle's Summer L MVP vs DJ Rookie playoffs discussion so lets leave that out.


I have mentioned my affinity for Murray's confidence multiple times in this and other threads. He says the right things, and if he becomes great, his personality will contrast well with Kawhi's.

I'd like to start with this because the reason for me entering this thread in the first place was because the general tone on Murray was negative. I held back after summer league but lately the posts were pushing an agenda that DJ needs to shut up, stop being his normal outgoing self , posting on social media etc. Thinking his cocky/confident attitude (His room with his portrait etc) reflects poorly and somehow means he's not working on his game. I'm not calling you out specifically, but you just need to read the thread yourself to see.

As for the discussion over the last couple of pages.

Its hard to quote you directly because you write so much content....My last post directed to you for instance you chopped up into 5 quotes instead of a single 1 post response for example.

i'll just focus on your quote you directed to me on DJ's work ethic.


We need to see evidence that he's put in the work. We didn't get that in July. You can make excuses or use false logic to dismiss that, and indeed it may not end up mattering. But in the very least seeing him suck it up against bad competition and then mope around because of it was a wet blanket.

In response i made a detailed post at the top of this page about what we know so far about his off-season and later posted DJ's presser which gives us even more info . That is, unless he's all lip service. It was particularly interesting hearing him talk about the differences in summer, regular and playoff basketball & the importance of each possession at the highest level. So we now have a few positive signs from different sources that give us an indication he put in work this off-season.

Now if you are moving the argument to "we need to see that he has improved" then i can agree with you because neither of us have any idea & the summer L gives no indication of whats to come.

[ceds]

Is it really that you don't like giving player projections or is it simply not wanting to go on record on a player your not 100% sure on?


i don't understand because it seems you are happy to do a full 4 paragraph scouting report on a players strengths & weaknesses and what they need to develop most to improve but then fall short on making your outlook / projection so its only 95% complete and the most interesting part is missing from the post.

I've seen that your also a target for posters....is this why you are non-committal on a projection?

[dabom]

I remember chinook calling dedman a better defender than Kawhi. :lol

[tholdren]

Is it really that you don't like giving player projections or is it simply not wanting to go on record on a player your not 100% sure on?


i don't understand because it seems you are happy to do a full 4 paragraph scouting report on a players strengths & weaknesses and what they need to develop most to improve but then fall short on making your outlook / projection so its only 95% complete and the most interesting part is missing from the post.

I've seen that your also a target for posters....is this why you are non-committal on a projection?

The problem is that murray was even drafted as a pg when he couldnt do a fundamental thing like bring the ball over half court. Its shocking that a pg drafted to play pg couldnt do that. But it speaks volumes to how skilled the nba currently isnt. Will he get better? Yes. Would any player regardless of skill get better playing minutes? Yes.

He is not more skilled than 50% of the undrafted players, which is a common fallacy among tweens and die hard nba fans. Media hyped and duped

[KDKSpurs24]

The problem is that murray was even drafted as a pg when he couldnt do a fundamental thing like bring the ball over half court. Its shocking that a pg drafted to play pg couldnt do that. But it speaks volumes to how skilled the nba currently isnt. Will he get better? Yes. Would any player regardless of skill get better playing minutes? Yes.

He is not more skilled than 50% of the undrafted players, which is a common fallacy among tweens and die hard nba fans. Media hyped and duped
I'm sick of seeing your countless post like this. Just stop watching dude.

[tholdren]

I'm sick of seeing your countless post like this. Just stop watching dude.

Right, cause its better to ignore the problem... carry on

[ceds]

Is this a troll post or what you actually believe?

[lilbthebasedgod]

Who are these players better than nba players? Can you link me to games they are in?

[tholdren]

Is this a troll post or what you believe?

You mean the fact that spurs thought, hmmmm let me get a pg, yep ill take the one who cant throw a pass correctly, dribble the ball, or control the pace of the game? I think the pick was trolling by itself.

I get that sa needed an attacking perimeter player, and maybe they were thinking not primary ball handler with him, not sure, but this guy is jayson williams with zero ball handling ability

[tholdren]

Who are these players better than nba players? Can you link me to games they are in?

This is the point...

[ceds]

You are either trolling or mentally disabled.

Whatever the case, i know to skip ahead when i see your posts.

[ceds]

You are either trolling or mentally disabled.

Whatever the case, i know to skip ahead when i see your posts.

[TimDunkem]

You are either trolling or mentally disabled.

Whatever the case, i know to skip ahead when i see your posts.
Wow. Almost everyone here including new posters believe tholdren is mentally disturbed. :lmao

[tholdren]

Wow. Almost everyone here including new posters believe tholdren is mentally disturbed. :lmao

Here come the alts and emojis, quick type something with edge about stalking. Typical teens. Sad

[BatManu20]

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[lilbthebasedgod]

This is the point...

I'm not sure what you mean? I'm genuinely curious on whom you consider to be these people who are better than NBA people specifically. I mean there has to be video of some of them.

[ceds]

Looks like DJ finally got a cover done on that hood-rat tatt he has on his right arm

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--gXzKB_W2--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/epwmlqa3kt9j75cbjj0h.jpg :lol

He must've been high as fuck when he got this..lol...Seriously it looks worse then prison tatts ive seen.

Had to have been a friend doing it for him when he was really young.

[ceds]

I'll keep it to a minimum Chinook because i can't quote on here properly (include posters name?) yet & i cbf pulling up all of the quotes in the Kyle's Summer L MVP vs DJ Rookie playoffs discussion so lets leave that out.



I'd like to start with this because the reason for me entering this thread in the first place was because the general tone on Murray was negative. I held back after summer league but lately the posts were pushing an agenda that DJ needs to shut up, stop being his normal outgoing self , posting on social media etc. Thinking his cocky/confident attitude (His room with his portrait etc) reflects poorly and somehow means he's not working on his game. I'm not calling you out specifically, but you just need to read the thread yourself to see.

As for the discussion over the last couple of pages.

Its hard to quote you directly because you write so much content....My last post directed to you for instance you chopped up into 5 quotes instead of a single 1 post response for example.

i'll just focus on your quote you directed to me on DJ's work ethic.



In response i made a detailed post at the top of this page about what we know so far about his off-season and later posted DJ's presser which gives us even more info . That is, unless he's all lip service. It was particularly interesting hearing him talk about the differences in summer, regular and playoff basketball & the importance of each possession at the highest level. So we now have a few positive signs from different sources that give us an indication he put in work this off-season.

Now if you are moving the argument to "we need to see that he has improved" then i can agree with you because neither of us have any idea & the summer L gives no indication of whats to come.


Is it really that you don't like giving player projections or is it simply not wanting to go on record on a player your not 100% sure on?



i don't understand because it seems you are happy to do a full 4 paragraph scouting report on a players strengths & weaknesses and what they need to develop most to improve but then fall short on making your outlook / projection so its only 95% complete and the most interesting part is missing from the post.

I've seen that your also a target for posters....is this why you are non-committal on a projection?


Originally Posted by Chinook

i have no further comment

(even though these were a direct response to a post of mine you chopped up into 5 quotes

:stirpot::stirpot:

[dabom]

ceds got this mainstream media narrative for @rookie of the year. :lol :tu

[ceds]

Forget ROY

set aside a spot on the all star team :lol

[dabom]

Forget ROY

set aside a spot on the all star team :lol

Only a couple of posters get ROTY and MVP( dabom and a few other posters).

[ceds]

You guys have official poster awards? :lol

[dabom]

You guys have official poster awards? :lol

The Top Off season Poster Awards.

[ceds]

Fair enough, there's only so much to talk about in the off-season i guess

[dabom]

Fair enough, there's only so much to talk about in the off-season i guess

Off season doesn't mean off season. It means the previous season.

[ceds]

Yeah i get it

just saying its only something that's thread worthy in the off-season when there's not much to talk about

[dabom]

Yeah i get it

just saying its only something that's thread worthy in the off-season when there's not much to talk about

Ur not on the MVP tracker but you close...

[dabom]

You just got a target on your back for no reason. Remember that.

[ceds]

I'm not here to come after posters & got no issue with you

i mean i just made my first call out on someone but that was because i took the time to respond to a post he directed at me that was full of quotes and then once i responded *crickets*

[dabom]

I'm not here to come after posters & got no issue with you

i mean i just made my first call out on someone but that was because i took the time to respond to a post he directed at me that was full of quotes and then once i responded *crickets*

Not me dummy. My haters.

[ceds]

Sorry i didn't know you had haters.

But why does that make me a target?

Anyway i gtg watch the AFL grand final now - hopefully he has something for me by then.

[Chinook]

I'll keep it to a minimum Chinook because i can't quote on here properly (include posters name?) yet & i cbf pulling up all of the quotes in the Kyle's Summer L MVP vs DJ Rookie playoffs discussion so lets leave that out.



I'd like to start with this because the reason for me entering this thread in the first place was because the general tone on Murray was negative. I held back after summer league but lately the posts were pushing an agenda that DJ needs to shut up, stop being his normal outgoing self , posting on social media etc. Thinking his cocky/confident attitude (His room with his portrait etc) reflects poorly and somehow means he's not working on his game. I'm not calling you out specifically, but you just need to read the thread yourself to see.

As for the discussion over the last couple of pages.

Its hard to quote you directly because you write so much content....My last post directed to you for instance you chopped up into 5 quotes instead of a single 1 post response for example.

i'll just focus on your quote you directed to me on DJ's work ethic.



In response i made a detailed post at the top of this page about what we know so far about his off-season and later posted DJ's presser which gives us even more info . That is, unless he's all lip service. It was particularly interesting hearing him talk about the differences in summer, regular and playoff basketball & the importance of each possession at the highest level. So we now have a few positive signs from different sources that give us an indication he put in work this off-season.

Now if you are moving the argument to "we need to see that he has improved" then i can agree with you because neither of us have any idea & the summer L gives no indication of whats to come.

Nope. Still no alert. You have to hit the "Reply With Quote" button and keep that main post with the person's name (which is a clickable link once posted) to generate the notification. I don't mean that as a snide remark or anything. You just expressed some uncertainty on how to quote people before.

As for the delayed response, I was pretty much working from six this morning until just a couple of hours ago, so I didn't take too much time to scour through threads.

Your points:

The general mood around Murray is not negative. Some folks might be hating on him, but that's more shtick-fueled than anything. As I said before, his SL performance was a wet blanket, whether you dismiss it or not. I'm not keen to get into that debate again, as I think we both know where the other stands but in the very least, it killed off hype to see him suck it up. People are more cautious about how quickly he's going to play consistently, and as you've admitted we still don't know and won't until at least the pre-season.

You're correct that I did mention evidence that he put in the work, and so you bringing up said evidence is relevant and important. I did mean it more in terms of that work translating into performance, but it's entirely possible for him to have practiced a ton and still not be appreciably better, as terrible as that would be.

I legit don't give out predictions very often. I think it's useless. That doesn't mean my feelings aren't made clear. I don't like to speculate on what will happen, but I do like to discuss what something happening would look like and what factors would cause that thing to happen in the first place. In this case, I have no idea how Murray will develop. I can try to think about what he can do now and what he can needs to be able to do to succeed, but I don't see a point in speculating on whether he does those things. It's completely out of my control.

As for me being a "target", it's just a silly thing that some posters are doing because it's the off-season and they're bored. We have some back and forths, a couple of legit discussions and then we move on.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[cutewizard]

What if.......Kyle becomes a real point forward?

[SAGirl]

What if.......Kyle becomes a real point forward?
Bringing it up in this thread is like that word from Family Guy:
Don't you know what the word is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OXVPgu6urw

I'd keep chat about Kyle in his church thread. This thread was already controversial enough.

[ceds]

Nope. Still no alert. You have to hit the "Reply With Quote" button and keep that main post with the person's name (which is a clickable link once posted) to generate the notification. I don't mean that as a snide remark or anything. You just expressed some uncertainty on how to quote people before.

As for the delayed response, I was pretty much working from six this morning until just a couple of hours ago, so I didn't take too much time to scour through threads.


Well I do take it as a "snide remark" because I was in the thread watching you come in and out for a good amount of time hoping that you would write back & again after I posted about his new tattoo sleeve. So you knew what was up and chose not to write back until I called you out on the previous page. Thanks for explaining how to give poster notification though.

I'll have to address your points tomorrow because it's grand final day ( where I'm living in Melbourne atm) and am about to head to town and celebrate. I'm writing this from my phone from a friends place.

So I'll edit this post soon.

[ceds]

.. his SL performance was a wet blanket, whether you dismiss it or not. I'm not keen to get into that debate again, as I think we both know where the other stands but in the very least, it killed off hype to see him suck it up.

Fair enough, I’m not keen either. It is important to note that you only first engaged me in conversation when I asked the board point blank what’s more impressive (Kyle's 2nd year SL MVP or DJ’s rookie playoffs). I wont post the direct quote you directed to me with your feelings on the subject because:

1) It’s a dumb argument & you will get embarrassed quickly
2) This is a DJ thread like SA pointed out.
3) I never wanted to talk about Kyle in the first place.



The general mood around Murray is not negative. Some folks might be hating on him, but that's more shtick-fueled than anything. As I said before, his SL performance was a wet blanket, whether you dismiss it or not. I'm not keen to get into that debate again, as I think we both know where the other stands but in the very least, it killed off hype to see him suck it up. People are more cautious about how quickly he's going to play consistently, and as you've admitted we still don't know and won't until at least the pre-season.

Yes the mood was very negative when i entered the thread on page 27 & the diva narrative was pushed by yourself and others. Again i'm not keen on digging up quotes - just look.

The previous pages before that agenda was pushed were just posters who seemed mad about his summer league play not haters. I hate to bring ICE into this because he is the poster i actually enjoy reading the most but he and other were clearly frustrated after seeing DJ bomb summer league and i tried to bring the thread back positive. The reason i look out for ICE posts is b/c when we very first signed patty (i joined spur talk in 2006 - Lurked when we had good posters & stayed in Mills threads). He also had that similar TP projection because he knew what i knew when most of the board laughed there ass's off even before he was waving the towels the first year. It didn't turn out that way and in a later evaluation(s) prior to and even after the 1 finals he was spot on with his projection.

Projection....again the most interesting part. It's fun to imagine what some of our young guns could potentially develop into. Also it's not like i was trying to pin you down and hold you to it.....i was asking for a floor/ceiling and projection but whatever you explained yourself so i'm not going to ask again.


You're correct that I did mention evidence that he put in the work, and so you bringing up said evidence is relevant and important. I did mean it more in terms of that work translating into performance, but it's entirely possible for him to have practiced a ton and still not be appreciably better, as terrible as that would be.

Thank you for acknowledging that we do have some evidence he's been working.

Moving the argument to "if he has improved" - i agree with you 100%

[ceds]

You just got a target on your back for no reason. Remember that.

wise advice

[SAGirl]

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[Dverde]

919642556367032321

They forgot Tony Parker. He is guaranteed to be coming back on a new contract.

[Ice009]

When was the deadline to do this? Did the Spurs pick this option up early?

[davidbowie]

lol that didnt last long. this tweet is already deleted and there's no sign of her on his IG anymore and vice versa

https://i.imgur.com/uKILuoz.png

not so subtle social media jabs

https://i.imgur.com/28ffMxu.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/Qd27v77.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/wDj33wt.jpg?1


probably for the best. go into the season with no distractions :flag::flag::flag:

[dabom]

My dude hittin' n quit'n. :lol

Props. :tu

[tholdren]

My dude hittin' n quit'n. :lol

Props. :tu

Only of he could dribble or shoot

[DAF86]

Kawhi's injury kinda deflated my enthusiasm for the beggining of the season..murray having a good opener could change that.

[Ice009]

Kawhi's injury kinda deflated my enthusiasm for the beggining of the season..murray having a good opener could change that.

Yep. Kawhi is the main reason I was revved up and excited for the season to start. It feels like crap to me without Kawhi playing. The power and energy just isn't the same. He was the only guy I was looking forward to watching play in the entire NBA. It's real deflating not getting to see him play on opening night.

[DAF86]

Kawhi's injury kinda deflated my enthusiasm for the beggining of the season..murray having a good opener could change that.

Enthusiasm re-inflated.

Now we just need Pop to play him more when the kid is balling and Patty sucking ass.

[Chinook]

Loved everything about him outside of that second stint. I am not sure if Teague and Jones are horrible defenders, but he was consistently aggressive and accurate. Time will tell if this was one of his best games or just an above-average game. He's doing his part to fit the PG role Parker fills rather than being like Mills. It would be interesting to see what happens if he remains this competent when Tony is ready to go.

[Ice009]

I still don't get the Mills contract. Wow. I like Mills quite a lot, but I don't 50 million like him.

Very good game from Dejounte.

[RD2191]

lol that didnt last long. this tweet is already deleted and there's no sign of her on his IG anymore and vice versa

https://i.imgur.com/uKILuoz.png

not so subtle social media jabs

https://i.imgur.com/28ffMxu.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/Qd27v77.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/wDj33wt.jpg?1


probably for the best. go into the season with no distractions :flag::flag::flag:

Acting as is she'll ever do better than DJ. Dude is on his way to becoming a star. Dumb broad. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Great first game, possibly an L without him.

[Chinook]

Lol Murray's stats on BBRef are insane due to sample size. PER of 33, Net Rtg of 48, BPM of 10.6, WS/48 of .360.

[cd98]

Loved everything about him outside of that second stint. I am not sure if Teague and Jones are horrible defenders, but he was consistently aggressive and accurate. Time will tell if this was one of his best games or just an above-average game. He's doing his part to fit the PG role Parker fills rather than being like Mills. It would be interesting to see what happens if he remains this competent when Tony is ready to go.


They are bad defenders, but Murray still showed improvement. Soon teams will make him a jump shooter and he won’t look so good. Also a horrible turnover in the first half on a fast break. He doesn’t have the handles to dribble into a crowd.

[Chinook]

They are bad defenders, but Murray still showed improvement. Soon teams will make him a jump shooter and he won’t look so good. Also a horrible turnover in the first half on a fast break. He doesn’t have the handles to dribble into a crowd.

Yeah, that TO was in the second stint where he almost single-handedly lost the lead. I do think teams will play him differently, but that will also open up passing lanes for him. Murray is a third or fourth option most of the times he's on the court, so there's only so much gameplanning a team can do for him.

Speaking of jump shots, my favorite play of his was that baseline-jumping he had in the third I think when the clock was running down. The drives will likely be inconsistent for a long time, but if he can nail shots like that, he'll be fine.

Currently, I'm assuming that this was one of the best games he'll play this season and that we'll see a number of horrible shooting games to balance this out like we saw last year. But is it's closer to the middle, it could be really good second year for him.

[Nathan89]

If Murray continues to perform Spurs better not derail his development to play Tony Parker in what should be his last season.

[Nathan89]

Also is there one of these threads for Gay? I was thinking about starting "Patrons of the Gay Club".:danceclub

[Chinook]

Also is there one of these threads for Gay? I was thinking about starting "Patrons of the Gay Club".:danceclub

People kept trying to make clever titles, but the mods locked them. There is an "official" church thread somewhere, but people have mostly been using the "Spur for life" thread.

[sasaint]

If Murray continues to perform Spurs better not derail his development to play Tony Parker in what should be his last season.

:tu You nailed it. The starting PG should be Murray's if he earns it. Hopefully, Tony comes back to be Dijon's backup/mentor/safety net. Talk on ST about Tony's "next contract" seems unreal and scares me.

[rjv]

at first, i thought tibs kept teague out of the 4th because he was down on the way teague was defending murray, but then he still kept teague out when mills came in so not sure. anyway, one game does not make murray a spectacular success story anymore than summer league made him a colossal failure. but he did pick up from where he left on in the playoffs, at least last night.

[picnroll]

Looks like Murray added a little bit of weight and muscle over the summer. Helped him on a couple of drives to the basket.

[SPURt]

920864191799611392

[sasaint]

They are bad defenders, but Murray still showed improvement. Soon teams will make him a jump shooter and he won’t look so good. Also a horrible turnover in the first half on a fast break. He doesn’t have the handles to dribble into a crowd.

The evidence indicates that the coaching staff inexplicably isn't really doing anything about Dijon's high dribbling style. That will always lead to turnovers. And as the season progresses (especially as long as Kawhi is out) teams will lay off him and force him to shoot jumpers. Hopefully the sweet baseline jumper he made last night is a good omen about the improvement of his shot.

[BD24]

Maybe when I have some time I will bump all of the doubting faggots. Hop on the train soon while there is still a chance dumb asses. :lol

Taking a shit ton of stock in summer league even though they guy had played well/decent in real games :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

920864191799611392

Massta Pop trying to neuter another black American from showing emotions.

[bic50]

920864191799611392
Making pop feel uncomfortable

[Atl Spur]

Massta Pop trying to neuter another black American from showing emotions.

Nah, just trying to help him grow personal as well as professionally. Pop understands the business side of the nba on and off the court.

[cd021]

Massta Pop trying to neuter another black American from showing emotions.

:lol Murray was a mess in the first quarter, wasn't that much better in the second quarter but was fine in the second half.

[cd021]

btw really like his effort on the glass. Getting in the paint and attempting to board on the offensive glass.

[Snaq O'Meal]

920864191799611392

Poop should seriously try to get over himself.

[BD24]

Murray continuing to take a wet hot shit on the dumb asses :lol

All the people who didn't overreact to summer league get in here to celebrate your boy :toast

All of you other fucks get in here and apologize :rollin

[dabom]

Murray continuing to take a wet hot shit on the dumb asses :lol

All the people who didn't overreact to summer league get in here to celebrate your boy :toast

All of you other fucks get in here and apologize :rollin

:lol

[CGD]

Damn, i hope the Parker returns doesn’t screw things up.

[Ice009]

Murray continuing to take a wet hot shit on the dumb asses :lol

All the people who didn't overreact to summer league get in here to celebrate your boy :toast

All of you other fucks get in here and apologize :rollin

I love hearing told you so from people after someone has a big game or two. Gotta be consistent and keep improving. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm always happy to be wrong when it helps the team.

He was trash in Summer League and wasn't great in preseason. I'm very happy he is playing well when it counts. Like I said the other day, it looks like he's a bright lights, big game player, which I will take everyday over someone that plays well when it doesn't count. He's getting better and it's great to see.

His rebounding has been great, maybe the best thing about this start as he has backed up his talk about guards rebounding the ball during one of the huddles in game 1.

[BD24]

I love hearing told you so from people after someone has a big game or two. Gotta be consistent and keep improving. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm always happy to be wrong when it helps the team.

He was trash in Summer League and wasn't great in preseason. I'm very happy he is playing well when it counts. Like I said the other day, it looks like he's a bright lights, big game player, which I will take everyday over someone that plays well when it doesn't count. He's getting better and it's great to see.

His rebounding has been great, maybe the best thing about this start as he has backed up his talk about guards rebounding the ball during one of the huddles in game 1.
Still defending taking stock in summer league and preseason :lol. He was pretty decent/good last year in real games, thats what you should have taken stock in, not meaningless games. Jesus Spurstalk.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

922659558920564736

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Raven]

we got a steal tbh, but somehow many of us felt he was going to be, given the wingspan * athleticism

[SAGirl]

we got a steal tbh, but somehow many of us felt he was going to be, given the wingspan * athleticism
That was the main reason I wanted him in the draft. I felt that his flaws (how raw he was, he couldn't shoot, and couldn't translate his talent to wins, etc) would keep him out of the lottery and it did.

Perfect project player, very young, and with a lot of upside. He is starting to put it together and will only get better with time and work put in.

[SAGirl]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/For-Spurs-Murray-s-production-all-cake-so-far-12300934.php?t=656da7eae1927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

LaMarcus Aldridge had just gotten into a shoving match with eternal nemesis Serge Ibaka. Both big men had to be separated.

As Gregg Popovich moved to calm Aldridge, Murray waved off his coach to intervene himself.

"Don't worry about that," Murray told Aldridge, with an arm around the power forward. "Let's go win this game."

Two possessions later, Aldridge bulled through Ibaka for a basket and foul that put the Spurs up by 10 and the Raptors' big man out of the game.

[Maddog]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/For-Spurs-Murray-s-production-all-cake-so-far-12300934.php?t=656da7eae1927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM4A_YVUIAAG3_p.jpg

[ulosturedge]

His trajectory is Russell Westbrook. He is a long point guard with speed. Both lack an outside shot but can get to whatever spot on the floor at will. Westbrook is more aggressive on offense, but DJ has the better handles and point guard instincts.

You can't teach length and speed. He will be a matchup nightmare for teams around the league. He's only gonna get better.

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM4A_YVUIAAG3_p.jpg
awesome moment tbh

[duncan2k5]

Murray continuing to take a wet hot shit on the dumb asses :lol

All the people who didn't overreact to summer league get in here to celebrate your boy :toast

All of you other fucks get in here and apologize :rollin
lol! im with you brother! call them out!

[BatManu20]

922863003904614400

[Raven]

His trajectory is Russell Westbrook. He is a long point guard with speed. Both lack an outside shot but can get to whatever spot on the floor at will. Westbrook is more aggressive on offense, but DJ has the better handles and point guard instincts.

You can't teach length and speed. He will be a matchup nightmare for teams around the league. He's only gonna get better.

let's not go full retard.. westbrook is a freak of nature, can't find similarities with anybody.

[tonight...you]

let's not go full retard.. westbrook is a freak of nature, can't find similarities with anybody.
People may say Westbrook-Lite, but it's more like Wannabe-Westbrook.
There is a difference, but the potential may just be the same.

I like his try-hard-in-any-way-he-can attitude.

[Maddog]

let's not go full retard.. westbrook is a freak of nature, can't find similarities with anybody.

I don't see the Westbrook comparisons either. He doesn't (DJM) have the explosiveness nor speed, but then who does...
He is incredibly long and seems to be learning how to use it. Based on incident above with LMA does seem to have some leadership potential. I liked where he waved off Pop (who seemed to enjoy it) and also afterwards he was the first to congratulate LMA for the and 1 over Ibaka.

Interestingly, I remember the Spurs being excited about his defensive potential last year..

[kobyz]

He plays like a smaller Greek freak...

[sasaint]

He plays like a smaller Greek freak...

I think he looks like Spider-Man especially when he boards. When he extends one of those 6'8" "wings" it looks like he is shooting out a short little "web" from his fingers to snag those rebounds.

[duncan2k5]

His rebounding is impressive... He really gets in there with the big... Reminds me of Kawhi how he snags them

[SAGirl]

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[tholdren]

His rebounding is impressive... He really gets in there with the big... Reminds me of Kawhi how he snags them

1st rd pick for 3 defensive rebounds a game. And no dribbling skills. Great idea

[DAF86]

Time to put up or shut up.

[tholdren]

He plays like a smaller Greek freak...

Wtf

[illusioNtEk]

let's hope he becomes a superstar but if not solid role player for defense and rebounds.

[DAF86]

He needs to stop thinking too much and just attack. Stop playing not to fuck up, and start playing with a porpuse. I still believe.

[duncan2k5]

He needs to stop thinking too much and just attack. Stop playing not to fuck up, and start playing with a porpuse. I still believe.

this is 100% correct...u can tell he is thinking too much instead of attacking...when he attacks, the passing lanes ill open up as the defense reacts...and he needs to push it on misses too...put pressure on the D

[SAGirl]

http://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/amp/Spurs-Murray-will-get-through-growing-pains-12354016.php

his focus is defense. He’s not a shooter at this point, but he’s smart enough to concentrate on what he can do well, and that’s play D and rebound.
“You don’t have to be a real skilled player to do that. That’s all just in the heart and between the ears and making the decision you are going to do it. Luckily, he is coachable in that sense and is willing to accept that role. He’s got a good upside.”

[Atl Spur]

http://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/amp/Spurs-Murray-will-get-through-growing-pains-12354016.php

I basically said this in a previous post; offense will catch up.

[tholdren]

nor Chad Ford. He was a PG in college with a 4apg 3TOpg average. Thats bad. 66% ft thats bad. 28% 3pt that's bad.

The deal is he does what say needs - attacks the rim. But its ISO garbage and ill advised shots. To make matters worse, his game is driving and attacking but he can't make a ft?

I would have selected Demetrius Jackson, but am not as bummed with this pick as it actually addressed a need.

This tbh

[DAF86]

DJ needs to start transform those flashes of brilliance he shows from time to time into something a little more regular. If not, I will start to think that Pop would be better off giving his minutes to Forbes and/or Paul.

[spursistan]

Can't say he didn't get his opportunity with Parker out and Mills sucking balls; he simply didn't make the most of it--just not ready yet..

[tholdren]

Can't say he didn't get his opportunity with Parker out and Mills sucking balls; he simply didn't make the most of it--just not ready yet..

Because hes dumber than a rock

[duncan2k5]

Can't say he didn't get his opportunity with Parker out and Mills sucking balls; he simply didn't make the most of it--just not ready yet..

I keep saying... He needs to play with the starters... The reason rookie Parker was able to grow so fast was because he didn't have much pressure on him playing with starters since they require so much attention... He had room to grow... Same with Manu... Playing on the bench where the defense can focus on you and all you have is bench scrubs to pass to won't do Murray any favors... And he can't possibly play worse than Mills... Plus we pay so much attention to his missed shots, but overlook his defense... Teams can't abuse him like they do with mills and forbes...

[tholdren]

I keep saying... He needs to play with the starters... The reason rookie Parker was able to grow so fast was because he didn't have much pressure on him playing with starters since they require so much attention... He had room to grow... Same with Manu... Playing on the bench where the defense can focus on you and all you have is bench scrubs to pass to won't do Murray any favors... And he can't possibly play worse than Mills... Plus we pay so much attention to his missed shots, but overlook his defense... Teams can't abuse him like they do with mills and forbes...

Lolololo

[duncan2k5]

Lolololo

Look at Kyle... He would have looked much worse had he been playing on the bench... The attention and spacing the other players provide him in the starting unit allows him to grow his game without as much pressure... But I guess that concept is too complicated for you to understand

[skulls138]

I keep saying... He needs to play with the starters... The reason rookie Parker was able to grow so fast was because he didn't have much pressure on him playing with starters since they require so much attention... He had room to grow... Same with Manu... Playing on the bench where the defense can focus on you and all you have is bench scrubs to pass to won't do Murray any favors... And he can't possibly play worse than Mills... Plus we pay so much attention to his missed shots, but overlook his defense... Teams can't abuse him like they do with mills and forbes...To quote Parker about what he did before joining the Spurs, "I had been playing with and against grown men for years in Europe." He was much more seasoned than Murray is at the same age.

[tholdren]

Look at Kyle... He would have looked much worse had he been playing on the bench... The attention and spacing the other players provide him in the starting unit allows him to grow his game without as much pressure... But I guess that concept is too complicated for you to understand

Lololol

[Mr. Body]

To quote Parker about what he did before joining the Spurs, "I had been playing with and against grown men for years in Europe."

Yeah, but what about basketball?

[duncan2k5]

To quote Parker about what he did before joining the Spurs, "I had been playing with and against grown men for years in Europe." He was much more seasoned than Murray is at the same age.

Answer my question...and be honest... Would Parker have progressed as fast as he did if he didn't play with Duncan and the other starters? The fact that he played with grown men instead of kids is testament to my point... He was able to accelerate his growth playing with better players so then he didn't have as much pressure and attention on him from the defense

[duncan2k5]

Lololol

So you're saying Kyle would look the same if he played with the bench? U don't think he would look worse? You're weird if u don't see that

[SAGirl]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/Off-Topic-Dejounte-Murray-12381247.php

[Ice009]

He turned from Mr Flash (someone who was looking to make flashy plays) to Mr Vanilla.

I don't know if the Spurs are screwing up his development or not, but they've got him playing like a placeholder.

[tholdren]

He turned from Mr Flash (someone how was looking to make flashy players) to Mr Vanilla.

I don't know if the Spurs are screwing up his development or not, but they've got him playing like a placeholder.

He sucked in college. What did you expect?

[SAGirl]

Pop on Dejounte:
“He’s been a real pro. He’s ready whenever we call on him. Some games we start him, some games he doesn’t play, some games he plays partial, like tonight. But he’s been wonderful. He’s really matured quickly and is doing a good job.”

He really has been wonderful the last three games after Pop had given preference to Forbes who had been playing 30 minutes on some games.
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One really wonders how Pop is going to deal with his development. I think Pop makes young players wait for their time initially (see Derrick White), but when a young player gives signs of being rotation caliber Pop has dilly dallied a lot.

[Ice009]

Forbes has not been good at all lately. He's hit a couple of big shots in the past week or two, but apart from that he hasn't played or shot the ball well. I think it's time Murray got more of a chance. I like his potential and disruptive play on defense. He's also now taking open shots on offense, which is also a good sign.

[duncan2k5]

Forbes has not been good at all lately. He's hit a couple of big shots in the past week or two, but apart from that he hasn't played or shot the ball well. I think it's time Murray got more of a chance. I like his potential and disruptive play on defense. He's also now taking open shots on offense, which is also a good sign.

[Ice009]

Taking open shots with confidence is what I was looking for from him on offense. I'm starting to see that now, so that is a big step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

[sasaint]

Taking open shots with confidence is what I was looking for from him on offense. I'm starting to see that now, so that is a big step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. He isn't afraid to take a shot, which is a sharp contrast to one of our other players (not a dis - just a fact). I think his mid-range form looks much better.

[BackHome]

I hated on him when he sucked but I am willing to give him props for playing much better. He is now confident but not cocky and is playing good defense some of his fouls are on the refs BS calls

[MultiTroll]

Forbes has not been good at all lately. He's hit a couple of big shots in the past week or two, but apart from that he hasn't played or shot the ball well. I think it's time Murray got more of a chance. I like his potential and disruptive play on defense. He's also now taking open shots on offense, which is also a good sign.
Exactly.
Much more suited to playoff basketball.

I just hope CIA Dipstick hasn't got him overthinking with his
*be like Chrissy Paul* bullshit.

Forbes. GTFO he's just a regular season Bonbon.

[TheGreatYacht]

Better than Fatty and it honestly isn't even close

[spursistan]

Still can't shoot for shit, and one wonders if this dude is even practicing shooting the basketball in the gym even from the free throw line..

[timtonymanu]

Still can't shoot for shit, and one wonders if this dude is even practicing shooting the basketball in the gym even from the free throw line..

The whole organization is on auto pilot. He should have been working on it from day one.

[Mr. Body]

I love how you guys think Murray isn't working on his jump shot. Like everyone thought about it and went, 'Nah.'

[tholdren]

Forbes is better than murray

[Chris]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26166163_2016886095193187_7563246668685096409_n.jp g?oh=d1b684920cc0bf5e4e24cbaaf5ca4fb3&oe=5AFD00CD