Official 2014 Free Agency Thread

[FireMicoHalili]

MLE isn't much these days. Cap at $77M, 5/77 would probably only pay for a role player.

[timtonymanu]

When was the last time a free agent chose us over another team when given a choice? I'm very insulted in these fucks consistently going out of their way to snub us at the very last second to play for a bigger market team that is clearly inferior to us as a team.

It's okay. Diaw, Mills, and Green didn't snub us and looked how that turned out. Vs Maggette, Butler, Kirilenko, Granger, Pau, etc.

[SpursFan86]

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[SpurPadre]

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[SpursFan86]

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[Mel_13]

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Stephenson and Felton on the same team? No way that blows up.

[Mugen]

I'm all in favor of bringing back Bonner & Baynes. Nobody left really interests me with the MLE and Danny's contract is up after next season tbh.

Spurs are in great position to repeat even without much change.

[TheGoldStandard]

Marion, Aminu, Heinrich only FA that serve a purpose to the spurs

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'm all in favor of bringing back Bonner & Baynes. Nobody left really interests me with the MLE and Danny's contract is up after next season tbh.

Spurs are in great position to repeat even without much change.

Would you want Marion over Bonner. Only possible IMO if Rockets don't match for Parsons. Besides Marion, there is not another player out there that I would want the Spurs to sign using the MLE. Just ride with Bonner for the Vet min this year.

[Mr. Body]

I'd love Marion. The rest can pound sand.

[Mugen]

Would you want Marion over Bonner. Only possible IMO if Rockets don't match for Parsons. Besides Marion, there is not another player out there that I would want the Spurs to sign using the MLE. Just ride with Bonner for the Vet min this year.

Yes but I don't think Marion leaves Dallas.

[xmas1997]

Marion, Aminu, Heinrich only FA that serve a purpose to the spurs

None of these guys want to come here, even if San Antonio wanted them.

[Mel_13]

Yes but I don't think Marion leaves Dallas.

If Dallas winds up with Parsons, they'll be capped out. The only slot they'll be able to offer Marion is the room exception.

If Houston matches on Parsons, then no way to get Marion out of Dallas.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Yes but I don't think Marion leaves Dallas.

My sentiments exactly, but it looks like Houston won't match. Still eyeing Durant in 2016. Will know by tomorrow, sources or no sources.

[BatManu20]

If/when he's wrong about this it's time to hang em up tbh.

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[tholdren]

If Dallas winds up with Parsons, they'll be capped out. The only slot they'll be able to offer Marion is the room exception.

If Houston matches on Parsons, then no way to get Marion out of Dallas.

Can Houston get Parsons and Ariza?

[Mel_13]

Can Houston get Parsons and Ariza?

Yes. They just have to match the offer sheet that Dallas gave Parsons.

[BatManu20]

Can Houston get Parsons and Ariza?

Yes and there's a chance they will. Currently mulling the decision to match.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Can Houston get Parsons and Ariza?

Yes, but they be tying up 23 mil in one position as neither can play guard or PF. That is why people should appreciate Manu as he can play 3 position if he has to. That's why it's brilliant for Pop getting these combo players of late to fill out the Spurs roster.

[Mugen]

If Dallas winds up with Parsons, they'll be capped out. The only slot they'll be able to offer Marion is the room exception.

If Houston matches on Parsons, then no way to get Marion out of Dallas.

Interesting. I wouldn't love Marion for the full MLE (I wouldn't hate it either tbh) but he'd bring a different skillset off the bench and could be useful against OKC.

I don't think houston matches on Parsons....

[Vic Petro]

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[FireMicoHalili]

Simply amusing how Gasol's thread outnumbers this one by almost 40 pages (and counting)

[FireMicoHalili]

Interesting. I wouldn't love Marion for the full MLE (I wouldn't hate it either tbh) but he'd bring a different skillset off the bench and could be useful against OKC.

I don't think houston matches on Parsons....
Marion seems washed up, still has some fight left in him though. BAE seems reasonable enough?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can't believe you guys are pining for more bigs. We need another guard to come in and score some points and burn regular season minutes with Manu and Mills both recovering.

Loved the gasol pursuit but we need another 2guard.

[SpurPadre]

I don't know if I could stomach watching old maid marion's ugly as fuck jumpers for a whole season...not that he would want to play in San Antonio anyways.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Marion seems washed up though

He had a pretty good series against the Spurs. He quite honestly owned Kawhi defensively for most part of the series, first 4 games. He is just too old to sustain that level of play for 30 + min a night, the reason he faded in the last 3 games of that series. On the Spurs, he will only be seeing 20, if that. He would great matchup for OKC lineup as he could play PF. Marion is one of those combo players Pop covets.

[Malik Hairston]

Marvin Williams and Aminu are probably the only remaining realistic options that I wouldn't mind, tbh..

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Can't believe you guys are pining for more bigs. We need another guard to come in and score some points and burn regular season minutes with Manu and Mills both recovering.

Loved the gasol pursuit but we need another 2guard.

Manu will be fine. TP will shoulder the load. That is why he taking the summer off to heal up completely. Spurs need another SF, and Marion just happens to be a combo forward.

[TheGoldStandard]

A lot of Austin Daye this season at the 3 and the 4

[Mel_13]

Marvin Williams and Aminu are probably the only remaining realistic options that I wouldn't mind, tbh..

Charlotte signed Williams today. 2yrs/14M.

[spursparker9]

Marc J. Spears@SpearsNBAYahooSource: Marvin Williams agrees to deal with Hornets

[spursparker9]

Adrian Wojnarowski@WojYahooNBAAtlanta is re-engaged on Luol Deng, who has continued deal talks with Miami today, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[Andthentherewas21]

Marvin Williams and Aminu are probably the only remaining realistic options that I wouldn't mind, tbh..

Marvin is signing with the Hornets.

Disregard, just saw Mel's post

[Malik Hairston]

Charlotte signed Williams today. 2yrs/14M.

Damn, 7 per on a team with no creators for him:lol..

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)The Bulls are expected to trade center Greg Smith to Mavericks as early as Monday to help clear salary, sources said.

[DPG21920]

Damn, 7 per on a team with no creators for him:lol..

Better than 64M for Hayward though.

[TheGoldStandard]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)The Bulls are expected to trade center Greg Smith to Mavericks as early as Monday to help clear salary, sources said.



The first of several trades... Lol. Their roster is going to be 6 deep

[dbestpro]

Marvin Williams and Aminu are probably the only remaining realistic options that I wouldn't mind, tbh..
Would like to see them take a flyer on Ed Davis.

[Ron Swanson]

The first of several trades... Lol. Their roster is going to be 6 deep

Doesn't matter. Thibs only uses 6 players.

[TheGoldStandard]

Doesn't matter. Thibs only uses 6 players.

Till rose goes down then it's d league central

[dbestpro]

With everything that has happened in free agency, no contenders in the west have gotten better. Through this point you have to consider the Spurs winners just by resigning their own guys. I'd rank Cleveland first, but the Spurs would rank 2nd at this point. Houston (Miami obvious) has to be one of the big losers as it looks like they lost Lin and Asik only to pick up Ariza. who will compete for a more expensive Parsons and Harden for minutes.

[CGD]

Aside from Chicago, not one serious challenger has gotten better so far. The Cleveland situation is fluid, and even if they get Love it will require time for the team to learn to play together. On top of that, the east's marginal trams, at least on paper, seems to have improved which should enhance the competitive balance of that shitty conference.

[Chinook]

Ed Davis for the MLE? I can't believe he doesn't have a deal yet.

[Ice009]

Aside from Chicago, not one serious challenger has gotten better so far. The Cleveland situation is fluid, and even if they get Love it will require time for the team to learn to play together.

That's similar to what everyone said about Boston in 2008.

[spurraider21]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)The Bulls are expected to trade center Greg Smith to Mavericks as early as Monday to help clear salary, sources said.


even after dumping Greg Smith they'd be over 64 million... they have to stop being coy and just amnesty boozer. Between Rose, Boozer, Noah, and Gibson alone they're at 56 mil. even if they gut their entire roster except for those 4, they can't offer Pau more than an MLE-type figure anyway

[spurraider21]

That's similar to what everyone said about Boston in 2008.
the boston team was 3 hall of famers in/near their primes. the cleveland team is not

[Ice009]

the boston team was 3 hall of famers in/near their primes. the cleveland team is not

If they get Love, they're also in the East (that almost automatically gives them a chance), so I think they'd have a shot to get to the finals. Not sure if they can beat the WC team though.

If they were to get Love, do you think they have a shot to get to the finals, or do you think that they still don't even have enough to get to the finals?


even after dumping Greg Smith they'd be over 64 million... they have to stop being coy and just amnesty boozer. Between Rose, Boozer, Noah, and Gibson alone they're at 56 mil. even if they gut their entire roster except for those 4, they can't offer Pau more than an MLE-type figure anyway

Like I said a few posts above, if Pau only signs for MLE money, he's a complete fucking idiot to choose Chicago over the Spurs or OKC. Even though I really, really dislike OKC (mainly because of Westbrook and Brooks), but if I was a player, I'd choose them over the Bulls for the MLE any day of the week. I don't like Westbrook's PG play and I'd be weary of him passing the ball and playing a team game, but at least Kevin Durant is a team player.

I have no idea what Gasol is thinking.

[hsxvvd]

even after dumping Greg Smith they'd be over 64 million... they have to stop being coy and just amnesty boozer. Between Rose, Boozer, Noah, and Gibson alone they're at 56 mil. even if they gut their entire roster except for those 4, they can't offer Pau more than an MLE-type figure anyway

But does these small salary dumps allow them to use a sign and trade?

[CGD]

Ed Davis for the MLE? I can't believe he doesn't have a deal yet.

I've been asking for that. Last I heard the Clips had interest, but don't know what came if it.

[spurraider21]

But does these small salary dumps allow them to use a sign and trade?
they could sign and trade anyway, as long as they give back equal salary.

being over the cap only affects a sign-and-trade if the team making the initial signing is over the cap (in which case they can't receive players back, just picks). since the lakers are under the cap (by a hair), this isn't in the way. the problem is the lakers are very close to the cap, so they can't accept much salary back, certainly not boozer

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

But does these small salary dumps allow them to use a sign and trade?

That door closed hours ago. Bulls are still trying to trade Boozer. Not happening IMO. Will be amnesty, Gasol is waiting like a bitch for this to happen.

[CGD]

If they get Love, they're also in the East (that almost automatically gives them a chance), so I think they'd have a shot to get to the finals.



Like I said a few posts above, if Pau only signs for MLE money, he's a complete fucking idiot to choose Chicago over the Spurs or OKC. Even though I really, really dislike OKC (mainly because of Westbrook and Brooks), if I was a player, I'd choose them over the Bulls for the MLE any day of the week. I don't like Westbrook's PG play and I'd be weary of him passing the ball and playing a team game, but at least Kevin Durant is a team player.

I have no idea what Gasol is thinking.

Guaranteed starting job, at or more money, DRose, and playing in the weak ass East. It's not an unreasonable choice.

added to that Chicago is an awesome city, few US cities are better.

[Ice009]

Guaranteed starting job, at or more money, DRose, and playing in the weak ass East. It's not an unreasonable choice.

added to that Chicago is an awesome city, few US cities are better.

If he gets more money the than the MLE, then that's OK, but if it's only for the MLE, still a dumb choice IMO. There's no reason why he couldn't start for OKC if he was after a starting gig.

What makes Chicago a great city? I'm obviously not from the US, so I don't know much about Chicago as a city itself. Lately (the last few years), all I hear about Chicago is gangs and shootings.

[xmas1997]

He chose Chicago for whatever reasons.
Time to move along.
Next.

[Mr. Body]

If he gets more money the than the MLE, then that's OK, but if it's only for the MLE, still a dumb choice IMO. There's no reason why he couldn't start for OKC if he was after a starting gig.

What makes Chicago a great city? I'm obviously not from the US, so I don't know much about Chicago as a city itself. Lately (the last few years), all I hear about Chicago is gangs and shootings.

Chicago isn't the dangerous city it's claimed to be, in fact violent crimes have declined in the last two decades, even the last few years. It's a right wing effort to make them look bad, primarily because they've tried to enact gun control measures. That's a big no no in some quarters here and deserves lies to be told in retaliation. Certain parts are bad, to be sure, but nowhere as bad as in these fantasies.

[Chinook]

I've been asking for that. Last I heard the Clips had interest, but don't know what came if it.

I'd consider Davis a much better use of the MLE than Gasol would have been. Obviously, he was overrated as a prospect, but he's still a good player. If Pop can cut some of the fat from the big rotation, Davis would be awesome.

[RD2191]

I'd consider Davis a much better use of the MLE than Gasol would have been. Obviously, he was overrated as a prospect, but he's still a good player. If Pop can cut some of the fat from the big rotation, Davis would be awesome.
Just checked out his stats and they're pretty good. What are his strengths and weaknesses?

[CGD]

If he gets more money the than the MLE, then that's OK, but if it's only for the MLE, still a dumb choice IMO. There's no reason why he couldn't start for OKC if he was after a starting gig.

What makes Chicago a great city? I'm obviously not from the US, so I don't know much about Chicago as a city itself. Lately (the last few years), all I hear about Chicago is gangs and shootings.

His style of play doesn't match what OKC does on offensive, which is a disgusting brand of basketball predicated on running/slash to the hoop in the hopes of drawing a foul. The deliberate, clever post game which Pau has would be lost in such a system and I think he knew it. bulls play at a place better suited for his talents at this stage in his career. OKC is equally as disgusting a city as is the Thunder offensive schemes, especially for MLE pay.

Chicago has many cool neighborhoods, history, culture, food, excellent sports fan, and Lake Michigan. More approachable than NYC in almost every way possible, with similar attractions. Yes, Like any major city there are issues, and it's freaking cold in the winter. Well worth the visit though if you ever come to the US.

[CGD]

I'd consider Davis a much better use of the MLE than Gasol would have been. Obviously, he was overrated as a prospect, but he's still a good player. If Pop can cut some of the fat from the big rotation, Davis would be awesome.

I agree. I think his ceiling is Amir Johnson, and I'd be really happy with that.

[Chinook]

Just checked out his stats and they're pretty good. What are his strengths and weaknesses?

He's raw still, and he's been in the league for a while. I thought he looked like a center in a PF's body. He doesn't have much of a shot. I haven't watched him enough to know a lot.

[Big P]

Chicago isn't the dangerous city it's claimed to be, in fact violent crimes have declined in the last two decades, even the last few years. It's a right wing effort to make them look bad, primarily because they've tried to enact gun control measures. That's a big no no in some quarters here and deserves lies to be told in retaliation. Certain parts are bad, to be sure, but nowhere as bad as in these fantasies.

Is that why there were over 70+ shootings last weekend in Chicago with like 6 or 7 people dying...yeah hows that strict gun control working out?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-82-shot-14-killed-in-chicago-4th-of-july-weekend-shootings/

[Ice009]

I'd consider Davis a much better use of the MLE than Gasol would have been. Obviously, he was overrated as a prospect, but he's still a good player. If Pop can cut some of the fat from the big rotation, Davis would be awesome.

I asked this in another thread, but no one answered : Question - Does anyone know if you can sign players to 1 year on the MLE? Some people suggest that we should keep the MLE and not spend it as it would affect next year's off-season money for free agency. Can someone explain to me what difference it would make to next off-season if they were to pocket the MLE?

[BackHome]

Chicago isn't the dangerous city it's claimed to be, in fact violent crimes have declined in the last two decades, even the last few years. It's a right wing effort to make them look bad, primarily because they've tried to enact gun control measures. That's a big no no in some quarters here and deserves lies to be told in retaliation. Certain parts are bad, to be sure, but nowhere as bad as in these fantasies.

Chicago is the murder capital right now and add the city is broke as is can't pay there employees the whole state is pretty much fucked they just don't know it yet. They have the worse credit rating right now no one will take city checks or state checks cause they will bounce they heading the same way Detroit just give it five more years.

[Malik Hairston]

Just checked out his stats and they're pretty good. What are his strengths and weaknesses?

I watched him a lot in Toronto since I went to games all the time, tbh..

Strengths: athletic, aggressive, explosive at the rim, has stretches of really productive offense

Weaknesses: extremely raw, absolutely awful defensive player, and doesn't understand how to play team offense

[Ice009]

His style of play doesn't match what OKC does on offensive, which is a disgusting brand of basketball predicated on running/slash to the hoop in the hopes of drawing a foul. The deliberate, clever post game which Pau has would be lost in such a system and I think he knew it. bulls play at a place better suited for his talents at this stage in his career. OKC is equally as disgusting a city as is the Thunder offensive schemes, especially for MLE pay.

Chicago has many cool neighborhoods, history, culture, food, excellent sports fan, and Lake Michigan. More approachable than NYC in almost every way possible, with similar attractions. Yes, Like any major city there are issues, and it's freaking cold in the winter. Well worth the visit though if you ever come to the US.

Thanks for that explanation. It sounds like a very decent place. I'll definitely put it on my list of places to visit if I ever take a trip.

As for OKC, I'm sure Gasol would have talked to them about their system and if they would be willing to accommodate him and play to his strengths, and I'd say Brooks would have told him they'd try and work their system to fit his game into it (if they didn't, they are complete idiots). I'd say it just came down to the city itself. lol, if you say that the city is as disgusting as their offensive system on the court, then that pretty much says it all. That's put me off right there on the spot. He must have heavily been swayed to Chicago because of the city itself. If he gets more than the MLE from Chicago, I guess it was an easy decision for him to pick them over the Spurs or OKC.

[apalisoc_9]

Chinook, I watched most of Davis games when he played for the raptors and he's absolute trash in defense and can't seem to follow a play call.

His strengths are something that the spurs won't use much because they would all require the spurs to run plays for him and give him the ball..

[RD2191]

The no defense part really sucks. Thanks for the info fellas. I appreciate it.

[Ice009]

If his defense sucks, I have no f'ing interest in him at all.

[SpursFan86]

I still don't think Marion/Aminu would be bad for the MLE. Our bench has plenty of offense between Mills/Manu/Belinelli/Diaw...adding a good defensive/rebounding wing wouldn't hurt IMO, even if they are a little offensively-challenged. Marion was actually respectable last year from deep anyways.

[Chinook]

I asked this in another thread, but no one answered : Question - Does anyone know if you can sign players to 1 year on the MLE? Some people suggest that we should keep the MLE and not spend it as it would affect next year's off-season money for free agency. Can someone explain to me what difference it would make to next off-season if they were to pocket the MLE?

Yes, the MLE can be for just one year. Even if it couldn't, the additional years could be non-guaranteed.

[Ice009]

I still don't think Marion/Aminu would be bad for the MLE. Our bench has plenty of offense between Mills/Manu/Belinelli/Diaw...adding a good defensive/rebounding wing wouldn't hurt IMO, even if they are a little offensively-challenged. Marion was actually respectable last year from deep anyways.

Yep, that's what I wanted in the first place (before this Gasol BS), I just wanted a defensive/rebounding wing player above all else.

I was interested in Pau if he were to have come here for the MLE and also to help entice his brother to come here when he's a free agent. I much prefer Marc's game over Pau's anyway. I think Marc is a tougher player, as Pau still has some softness in his game, which I am not a fan of. Kobe really had to push him to toughen up during their Championship runs. Does anyone think the Spurs would be interested in pursuing Marc Gasol when he is a free agent?

[Ice009]

Yes, the MLE can be for just one year. Even if it couldn't, the additional years could be non-guaranteed.

Sweet. So really, there is no reason not to use it then? Also, what is the deal about people saying that we shouldn't use it at all so it doesn't affect cap space next year? What's the story with that? How does it affect what the Spurs can do next season?

[objective]

Marion would still be a decent get. Hopefully he's gotten over himself enough to take a reduced role.

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[Chinook]

Sweet. So really, there is no reason not to use it then? Also, what is the deal about people saying that we shouldn't use it at all so it doesn't affect cap space next year? What's the story with that? How does it affect what the Spurs can do next season?

Most FAs who can earn $5 Million for a year can do so for multiple years.

[spursparker9]

lol wtf all these free agents thinking

[RD2191]

I'll wait on tspence, tbh.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll wait on tspence, tbh.

:lol

[SpursFan86]

Surprised Pierce didn't go to the Clippers if he was willing to play for the MLE. He's from LA too, isn't he?

edit: damn, I really fucked this up. Forgot they used their MLE for Hawes, and Pierce is from Oakland not LA :lol

[FvckMavs]

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MLE for one or two years? Good deal for them

[jesterbobman]

I asked this in another thread, but no one answered : Question - Does anyone know if you can sign players to 1 year on the MLE? Some people suggest that we should keep the MLE and not spend it as it would affect next year's off-season money for free agency. Can someone explain to me what difference it would make to next off-season if they were to pocket the MLE?

The Mid level exception has a maximum of four years, though no lower limit. Usually there aren't 1 year deals, though 2 has happened a few times(e.g, Marco and Ayres split the MLE last year and got 2 year deals). Larry Coon's FAQ(http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25) makes no mention of lower limits on years.

A 1 year deal doesn't impact on available cap space for next year. Biggest impact on that is a Kawhi extension now. As he was drafted #15, his cap hold is only $4m. Starting salary is probably about 15m: That difference is far more than any impact from signing a mid level guy.

[myhc]

what does Paul Pierece have left in the tank to offer at this point? Wall, Beal, Pierce, Nene, Gortat......not bad. I mean, can the Wiz now be one of the teams that can make it out east? Just wondering what he can give the Wiz right now.

[benefactor]

Man...I would have loved to have Pierce coming off the bench. Two years at the MLE is solid value.

[spursparker9]

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[hsxvvd]

Wall Beal Pierce Nene & Gortat... Nice 5.

[tmtcsc]

:lol Greg Smith to Dallas spells the end of the Blair Bitch Project.

[SpurPadre]

Pierce, Marion? No. More. Old. Fucks.

[Shastafarian]

:rollin Brooklyn paid an extra $90mil for such a failure of a season. Franchise is on its way down and the peak was never even that high.

[tmtcsc]

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I can just hear Mikhail Prokhorov to Pierce : "Paul, you are...how you say (looks to henchmen in room for the right words - one whispers in his ear)...Nigga you crazy. You want I should laugh in face?"

[anakha]

Pierce to the Wizards?

kobyz will be so crushed. :lmao

[Ron Swanson]

I can just hear Mikhail Prokhorov to Pierce : "Paul, you are...how you say (looks to henchmen in room for the right words - one whispers in his ear)...Nigga you crazy. You want I should laugh in face?"

:lol

[spursparker9]

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[Ron Swanson]

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That's just fucking crazy.

[Ice009]

How much is KG getting paid?

[spursparker9]

:rollin Brooklyn paid an extra $90mil for such a failure of a season. Franchise is on its way down and the peak was never even that high.

The Russian can take it :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Ed Davis is raw and can't shoot free throws

[RD2191]

Ed Davis is raw and can't shoot free throws
Sold, gotta be better than Ayres.

[Baam]

Wall Beal Pierce Nene & Gortat... Nice 5.

It's a good short term solution and gives them the flexibility to go after Durant in 2016 when Nene's contract expires...

[SpursFan86]

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[spursparker9]

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[palangi]

It's a good short term solution and gives them the flexibility to go after Durant in 2016 when Nene's contract expires...
You do know they have Otto porter grooming for that SF position.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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Really, look at the records last year. Better than both.

[hsxvvd]

The Wiz are basically the East's great hope. If they flop it's Lebron v. West.

[TheyCallMePro]

It's just sad when guys get older and start going to different teams that they'll make zero impact on. Ewing, Shaq, Nash, Malone, and a lot of other guys threw away the end of their careers by team hopping and not retiring on the team they spent the majority of their careers with. Pierce is done. Has been for a few years now. He gets crossed over so many times nowadays it's just embarrassing. He needed to either go back to the Celtics, or retire. Instead, he chose to go to a young, athletic team where he'll constantly be mocked for his age, slowness, and regression.

[SpursFan86]

The Wiz are basically the East's great hope. If they flop it's Lebron v. West.

Watch out for the Hawks to be sneaky good next year. People forget that they were missing Horford for basically the entire season. Now they added two solid wing defenders who can both shoot the 3 ball (Bazemore and Sefolosha), and they also gained some big-man depth by drafting Payne. DeMarre Carroll was also surprisingly good last year. I swear Millsap and Horford are two of the most underrated guys in the league.

Teague/Korver/Carroll/Millsap/Horford + a solid bench + Coach Bud. Not saying they'll win the East or anything, but they could be surprise a lot of people. Hopefully D-Rose is healthy and Chicago is a contender as well.

[spursparker9]

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:lol KG was hard to watch last season tbh

[SpursFan86]

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[spursparker9]

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[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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That fucker is just collecting a retirement check at this point.

[spursparker9]

That fucker is just collecting a retirement check at this point.

yeah Nash too.

lol almost every player drafted in the 90s is doing this. except Timmy

[spursparker9]

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[TimDunkem]

TSpence reported Deng to Miami ages ago. :hat

[tuncaboylu]

How do Wizards use MLE? They are under the cap, shouldn't they use their cap space?

[LakerHater]

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[FireMicoHalili]

Pierce to the Wizards?

kobyz will be so crushed. :lmao
Sobrang cool talaga alam ba ng pamilya mo na cool ka sa internet

[FlAVaK]

Pierce to the Wizards?

kobyz will be so crushed. :lmao

Indeed.

[mystargtr34]

How do Wizards use MLE? They are under the cap, shouldn't they use their cap space?

They re-signed Gortat which took them back over the cap iirc.

[spursparker9]

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after seeing Blair in the playoffs, Blair > Bonner/Baynes ?

[anakha]

If Blair can't get what he feels he's worth under Cuban and Carlisle, who is he going to be able to convince to pay him?

E: wait, I take that back. While GMs like Billy King exist, there's always the chance Blair gets the payday he's looking for. :lol

[Mel_13]

If Blair can't get what he feels he's worth under Cuban and Carlisle, who is he going to be able to convince to pay him?

E: wait, I take that back. While GMs like Billy King exist, there's always the chance Blair gets the payday he's looking for. :lol

Popovich and Carlisle agree that he's not worth more than the minimum. That says a lot.

[CGD]

Watch out for the Hawks to be sneaky good next year. People forget that they were missing Horford for basically the entire season. Now they added two solid wing defenders who can both shoot the 3 ball (Bazemore and Sefolosha), and they also gained some big-man depth by drafting Payne. DeMarre Carroll was also surprisingly good last year. I swear Millsap and Horford are two of the most underrated guys in the league.

Teague/Korver/Carroll/Millsap/Horford + a solid bench + Coach Bud. Not saying they'll win the East or anything, but they could be surprise a lot of people. Hopefully D-Rose is healthy and Chicago is a contender as well.

Couldn't agree more. Love what they are doing out there. It's a shame they have the crappiest pro sports fans in the country though (even worse the MIami).

[CGD]

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Not bad, Miami will be respectable with a Wade, Deng, Bosh core. They're not winning it all, but will still be a top 4 team in the East.

All the sudden the East is looking better (on paper).

[Mugen]

The Wiz are an interesting team. Pierce is a downgrade from last year's Ariza but the rest of the East has gotten weaker at the top. WAS definitely has the talent to win the ECF but they need Wall to make another leap tbh.

[eDizzle20]

I'm hoping the Spurs give Andrew Bynum a training camp invite. I strongly doubt anyone will sign him during free agency.

[Obstructed_View]

What makes Chicago a great city? I'm obviously not from the US, so I don't know much about Chicago as a city itself. Lately (the last few years), all I hear about Chicago is gangs and shootings.

Great food, everything is closeby, you can get around by taxi, some of the best music in the world, great museums. There's a ton to do. You hear about shootings because Chicago has strict gun laws and really bad ghettos, which is a dangerous mix for the folks unfortunate enough to be stuck in that area without a gun. Pau probably won't be spending a lot of time on the south side.

[Obstructed_View]

Chicago isn't the dangerous city it's claimed to be, in fact violent crimes have declined in the last two decades, even the last few years. It's a right wing effort to make them look bad, primarily because they've tried to enact gun control measures. That's a big no no in some quarters here and deserves lies to be told in retaliation. Certain parts are bad, to be sure, but nowhere as bad as in these fantasies.

I wish those right wingers would stop shooting all those people. Funny how gun violence is so predominant in places where only people who don't give a shit about the law have guns.

[anakha]

I'm hoping the Spurs give Andrew Bynum a training camp invite. I strongly doubt anyone who ill sign him during free agency.

After torpedoing three teams in two seasons like he has, I'd be pissed at PATFO if they went after this guy.

[Obstructed_View]

Wall Beal Pierce Nene & Gortat... Nice 5.

They played beautiful team basketball for much of the playoffs. That broke down a few times which is why they didn't beat Indiana. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see them as the top team in the east next year.

[Mugen]

I'm hoping the Spurs give Andrew Bynum a training camp invite. I strongly doubt anyone will sign him during free agency.

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[spursparker9]

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[Mugen]

DeJuan should go to the Lakers tbh.

[anakha]

Are there any teams left with cap space to give Deng more than 10M per?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Are there any teams left with cap space to give Deng more than 10M per?

Mavs, if the Rockets don't match Parson. PRobably what he is waiting on at this point.

[100%duncan]

The Wiz are an interesting team. Pierce is a downgrade from last year's Ariza but the rest of the East has gotten weaker at the top. WAS definitely has the talent to win the ECF but they need Wall to make another leap tbh.

They don't beat the Cavs.

[Mugen]

They don't beat the Cavs.

the Cavs have nobody on the interior that can bang with Nene/Gortat outside of the oft-injured Varejao. If CLE can get Love then they should be able to outscore the Wizards.

But as presently constructed, i like the Wizards in a close series especially with the Pierce addition.

[100%duncan]

the Cavs have nobody on the interior that can bang with Nene/Gortat outside of the oft-injured Varejao. If CLE can get Love then they should be able to outscore the Wizards.

But as presently constructed, i like the Wizards in a close series especially with the Pierce addition.

I think just having Prime Lebron in today's East makes you a lock to win the conference imho. Wizards definitely are improving but up to what extent? I can't see a fully-matured Wall next season.

[Obstructed_View]

I think just having Prime Lebron in today's East makes you a lock to win the conference imho. Wizards definitely are improving but up to what extent? I can't see a fully-matured Wall next season.

Wall looked great in the playoffs. If he and Beal don't get derailed in their development they could be a top backcourt in the league.

[pgardn]

ESPN writers expecting Lebron to teach Wiggins?

He will get Wiggins open looks, he will settle the rookie down, but actually teach him...
Why is it always assumed that great players with ungodly athletic prowess can teach?


Kobe, MJ, Wilt... Teachers?
Nope.

[Obstructed_View]

ESPN writers expecting Lebron to teach Wiggins?

He will get Wiggins open looks, he will settle the rookie down, but actually teach him...
Why is it always assumed that great players with ungodly athletic prowess can teach?


Kobe, MJ, Wilt... Teachers?
Nope.

It worked so well with Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole.

[xmas1997]

I wonder if the Spurs approached Deng with their MLE? He wants a lot more, naturally, but you never know what exactly he wants and what he will accept until you inquire.

[Obstructed_View]

I wonder if the Spurs approached Deng with their MLE? He wants a lot more, naturally, but you never know what exactly he wants and what he will accept until you inquire.

I don't think Deng has been about anything but the money for a while now. He got overlooked too long financially. I think it ruined him. I don't blame him for it.

[spursparker9]

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seriously?

[Steve-O-Matic]

I wonder if the Spurs approached Deng with their MLE? He wants a lot more, naturally, but you never know what exactly he wants and what he will accept until you inquire.
I agree with your 'it never hurts to ask' premise, but there's a less than zero percent chance that Deng is going to agree to come off of somebody's bench (even a contender) for 50 cents on the dollar.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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seriously?

Pop has way more Balls than this joker and makes half that for those very things.

Pretty much this guy is trying to spin this so he can feel good about it. Reminds of the guys in the NBA forum here.

[spursparker9]

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[spursparker9]

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:lol

[Henrik Sedin]

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:lol

:lmao

[noles1983]

:lmao

lmfao bosh face at the end kills me

[mando6599]

I'm hoping the Spurs give Andrew Bynum a training camp invite. I strongly doubt anyone will sign him during free agency.

No, he's a cancer and I would never want him even sniffing our locker-room.

[spursparker9]

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[SpursFan86]

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[spursparker9]

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[$pursDynasty]

I am waiting for Eric Bledsoe's people to announce that he is considering signing with the Spurs for the MLE. Most agents love using the Spurs as their stalking horse to get better deals from other teams. While I am no TSpence and don't know and haven't heard anything, a year in SA to get a ring and enhance the resume before the FA next year. I wish he would but I doubt he will take the back up PG role this season. All Spurs fa rumors only need to make a little bit of sense and they take off after all.

[spursparker9]

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[Godbama]

I'm hoping the Spurs give Andrew Bynum a training camp invite. I strongly doubt anyone will sign him during free agency.
Ewww, ewww, ewww, ewww. I'd rather have a go at expiring Boozer or Ed Davis or Elton Brand even.

I kind of wish we could've gotten Paul Pierce, as weird as that sounds. Just think it would've been cool to see him in a Spurs jersey, and we've always had common rival/enemy teams. :p:

[spursparker9]

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[tmtcsc]

No on Blair, Bynum, Boozer or any other washed up loser. We're good.

[tmtcsc]

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:lol Sorry ass Riley making lemonade.

[spursparker9]

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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent Richard Jefferson is finalizing a one-year agreement with Dallas, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[xmas1997]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent Richard Jefferson is finalizing a one-year agreement with Dallas, league source tells Yahoo Sports.



:lmao

[Holden_Caulfield]

:lmao they go from mahinmi to blair to dick

[loveforthegame]

Does that mean Marion is gone??

[SpursRock20]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent Richard Jefferson is finalizing a one-year agreement with Dallas, league source tells Yahoo Sports.


If he gets anything over 3 million I'd be shocked :lol

[spursparker9]

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[spursparker9]

If he gets anything over 3 million I'd be shocked :lol

RJ getting 1 year vet min

[szkorhetz]

If he gets anything over 3 million I'd be shocked :lol
Minimum. Good deal, IMHO.

[ace3g]

Looks like Bonner is coming back for 1 year at vet min

[loveforthegame]

So disappointed. JFC.

[Spur|n|Austin]

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[slick'81]

Bbbbb bonner

[DPG21920]

RJ for vet min is a better player than Bonner for vet min in a bubble.

But man, Ayres sucks and I don't understand what the Spurs were thinking signing him.

[Shastafarian]

RJ for vet min is a better player than Bonner for vet min in a bubble.

What bubble is that?

[DPG21920]

What bubble is that?

Basketball.

[Shastafarian]

Basketball.

Then why say in a bubble. Also it's arguable. They're both niche players at the respective points in their careers. Bonner clearly fits his niche better than Dick.

[slick'81]

. Bonner clearly fits his niche better than Dick.

Thats what she said

[Shastafarian]

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[SpursFan86]

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[anakha]

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Cuban - hoisted on his own petard.

[xmas1997]

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This was pretty much expected.

[timtonymanu]

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Dallas just signed RJ too so I guess Marion is gone.

[Holden_Caulfield]

wheres the faggot who said rockets will 100% match it :lmao

[Mel_13]

Dallas just signed RJ too so I guess Marion is gone.

Unless he takes the room exception. He's definitely in play now.

[Richie]

Mavs have got a lot better this summer. Still a contender.

[DPG21920]

Then why say in a bubble. Also it's arguable. They're both niche players at the respective points in their careers. Bonner clearly fits his niche better than Dick.

It's not arguable. RJ is a better player than Matt now and always. I said in a bubble because for the Spurs Matt actually has more value due to the system and his skillset within that system despite being a worse basketball player.

[Mel_13]

It's not arguable. RJ is a better player than Matt now and always. I said in a bubble because for the Spurs Matt actually has more value due to the system and his skillset within that system despite being a worse basketball player.

:tu

I always enjoy your bubble stories.

[DPG21920]

Houston is so dumb and Morey is not a good GM. Traded Asik/Lin/Parsons for Ariza. Thanks, Morey. Now HOU is worse basketball wise which helps SA, older which helps SA and has more money committed next year too. Awesome.

[DPG21920]

:tu

I always enjoy your bubble stories.

It's turned into The Chronicles at this point.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Washington and Houston have agreed to a sign-and-trade for Trevor Ariza, league source tells Yahoo. Wizards get $8.5M trade exception.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Mario Chalmers is returning to the Miami Heat on a two-year deal, sources tell ESPN

[DPG21920]

I do wonder if Cuban really wanted Parsons at that price. I have to believe so because that is just not a gamble one can make at that price, but man.

[Johnny RIngo]

Houston is so dumb and Morey is not a good GM. Traded Asik/Lin/Parsons for Ariza. Thanks, Morey. Now HOU is worse basketball wise which helps SA, older which helps SA and has more money committed next year too. Awesome.

Like Cuban a couple years ago, Morey gutted his team in order to gamble on free agency signings and lost. Good for us though.

[timtonymanu]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Mario Chalmers is returning to the Miami Heat on a two-year deal, sources tell ESPN



:lol The Heat throwing him under the bus in the Finals only to bring him back.

[Mel_13]

I do wonder if Cuban really wanted Parsons at that price. I have to believe so because that is just not a gamble one can make at that price, but man.

Seems like Dallas and Houston are both worse off because of the Parsons fiasco. Even more so if Dallas loses Marion after already losing Carter. When Cuban convinced Dirk to take 10M per year to open up a huge chunk of cap space, Dirk surely wasn't expecting to see Chandler freakin' Parsons get 15M per year.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I do wonder if Cuban really wanted Parsons at that price. I have to believe so because that is just not a gamble one can make at that price, but man.

I would say no, but who else where they going to get. Parson was exactly the type of player Dallas needed offensively. This was to make Dallas a contender for a couple more seasons for Dirk and it has. Still not as good as OKC or Spurs, but it puts them in Clippers territory. Now they got their rim protector back in Chandler, Dallas could afford to go for more offense than defense.

[r0drig0lac]

dallas looking good for next season

[Shastafarian]

It's not arguable. It is.

RJ is a better player than Matt now and always.I guess our definitions of "player" differ.

I said in a bubble because for the Spurs Matt actually has more value due to the system and his skillset within that system despite being a worse basketball player.Yet when I asked,

What bubble is that?
You said rather douchely

Basketball.
Thanks. Trying to have a legit conversation but I guess you're just too basketball savvy for the rest of us.

As I said, they're both niche players. RJ has a different skill set than Matt. Matt has actually improved his ability to play "basketball" so I can't see how anyone can say RJ is a better basketball player than him at this point. And I fucking hate seeing bonner check into games.

[DPG21920]

Seems like Dallas and Houston are both worse off because of the Parsons fiasco. Even more so if Dallas loses Marion after already losing Carter. When Cuban convinced Dirk to take 10M per year to open up a huge chunk of cap space, Dirk surely wasn't expecting to see Chandler freakin' Parsons get 15M per year.

Yup, boiled down at this point, Dirk took a massive paycut to swap out Calderon/Marion/Vince/Dalembert for Felton/Tyson/Parsons/Richard Jefferson.

[anakha]

Harris-Ellis-Parsons-Dirk-Chandler looks decent on paper.

If Chandler is anything like he was last season, things could get ugly real fast.

And they seem to have lost what bench they had as well.

[DPG21920]

It is.
I guess our definitions of "player" differ.
Yet when I asked,

You said rather douchely

Thanks. Trying to have a legit conversation but I guess you're just too basketball savvy for the rest of us.

As I said, they're both niche players. RJ has a different skill set than Matt. Matt has actually improved his ability to play "basketball" so I can't see how anyone can say RJ is a better basketball player than him at this point. And I fucking hate seeing bonner check into games.

It's not douchey. The bubble is because if you are just saying basketball skills for the same price RJ is better than Bonner (Bonner has regressed quite a bit - especially athletically). But for the Spurs, since this isn't a bubble where you just go after "the better player" and instead look at fit, Bonner is fine for vet min.

The comment was direct towards though laughing at RJ for the vet min vs Bonner.

[DPG21920]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Washington and Houston have agreed to a sign-and-trade for Trevor Ariza, league source tells Yahoo. Wizards get $8.5M trade exception.



What does HOU get out of doing the S&T?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Harris-Ellis-Parsons-Dirk-Chandler looks decent on paper.

If Chandler is anything like he was last season, things could get ugly real fast.

And they seem to have lost what bench they had as well.

Everything's dependent on Chandler staying healthy. If not, well it will be another first round exit for the Mavs. Cuban is going all in on these moves. With Dirk on his last leg, why not.

[Mel_13]

What does HOU get out of doing the S&T?

Aside from good will, nothing I can see. This is where we miss Bruno.

[Shastafarian]

It's not douchey. The bubble is because if you are just saying basketball skills for the same price RJ is better than Bonner (Bonner has regressed quite a bit - especially athletically). But for the Spurs, since this isn't a bubble where you just go after "the better player" and instead look at fit, Bonner is fine for vet min.

The comment was direct towards though laughing at RJ for the vet min vs Bonner.

I just don't see much utility left in RJ. His game was based on athleticism and while he has improved on his 3P% he's still nowhere near worth playing meaningful minutes. I think Bonner for vet min on almost every team makes more sense than RJ for vet min. But that's my subjective opinion. That's why it's arguable.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Nikola Mirotic reached agreement on a multi-year contract -- terms unclear for now -- to join the Chicago Bulls, source tells RealGM.

Nikola also confirmed this on his twitter

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

What does HOU get out of doing the S&T?

Bird rights. This will allow the Rocket to resign Daniels and few other of their players last year to try and push their salaries over the cap and it will net them the MLE for this season. Only reason to make this trade really, plus Wiz get their exception.

[Chinook]

Everything's dependent on Chandler staying healthy. If not, well it will be another first round exit for the Mavs. Cuban is going all in on these moves. With Dirk on his last leg, why not.


Aside from good will, nothing I can see. This is where we miss Bruno.

They get to keep their MLE. I imagine when all is said and done, Ariza will be part of the Asik or Lin trade. And they get to keep the other exception.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Nikola Mirotic reached agreement on a multi-year contract -- terms unclear for now -- to join the Chicago Bulls, source tells RealGM.

Nikola also confirmed this on his twitter



a starting 5 of hinrich, noah, butler, mirotic/mcdermott and pau doesnt look too bad

[Chinook]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Nikola Mirotic reached agreement on a multi-year contract -- terms unclear for now -- to join the Chicago Bulls, source tells RealGM.

Nikola also confirmed this on his twitter




The Bulls are desperate for cap space. Pau, Hinrich and Mirotic into Boozer's cap overage. I just don't see it.

[Mel_13]

They get to keep their MLE. I imagine when all is said and done, Ariza will be part of the Asik or Lin trade. And they get to keep the other exception.

What if they can't combine the trades? If Ariza is traded into Houston's cap space, they still are subject to the cap. What am I missing?

[DPG21920]

I just don't see much utility left in RJ. His game was based on athleticism and while he has improved on his 3P% he's still nowhere near worth playing meaningful minutes. I think Bonner for vet min on almost every team makes more sense than RJ for vet min. But that's my subjective opinion. That's why it's arguable.

I see what you mean now and where the arguable came from. I don't agree that it's arguable Matt is better a basketball now or has ever been better than RJ, but from team fit/skill set, perhaps (on more teams outside of the Spurs). Either way, it's silly to discuss those two as much as we have :lol

Alas, that is the joy of ST.

[Mel_13]

The Bulls are desperate for cap space. Pau, Hinrich and Mirotic into Boozer's cap overage. I just don't see it.

Spurs should see if they want to dump Snell. He should fit into that Nando TE.

[Shastafarian]

I see what you mean now and where the arguable came from. I don't agree that it's arguable Matt is better a basketball now or has ever been better than RJ, but from team fit/skill set, perhaps (on more teams outside of the Spurs). Either way, it's silly to discuss those two as much as we have :lol

Alas, that is the joy of ST.

Indeed. #worldchampproblems

[DPG21920]

They get to keep their MLE. I imagine when all is said and done, Ariza will be part of the Asik or Lin trade. And they get to keep the other exception.


What if they can't combine the trades? If Ariza is traded into Houston's cap space, they still are subject to the cap. What am I missing?

Huh? The trade for Lin was already completed I thought. Sure, if they can do the Asik trade with NO (I guess that is not done yet) then that makes sense, but the reports didn't reference anything like that. They made it sound like it was a straight S&T between WAS and HOU which doesn't make any sense..

[spurraider21]

i know it seems fairly obvious, but when houston didn't just exercise their option on Parsons i called it a mistake, and it bit them in the ass

[Chinook]

What if they can't combine the trades? If Ariza is traded into Houston's cap space, they still are subject to the cap. What am I missing?

They don't have cap space. They'd have to renounce their TEs. They might not even include Ariza in the Asik trade and just use an exception.

[anakha]

Unless Houston has more moves to make, they're looking like they shit the bed this off-season.

[Mel_13]

They don't have cap space. They'd have to renounce their TEs. They might not even include Ariza in the Asik trade and just use an exception.

OK, got it now. Thanks.

[Robz4000]

Go get Marion RC

[DPG21920]

They don't have cap space. They'd have to renounce their TEs. They might not even include Ariza in the Asik trade and just use an exception.

How do they not have cap space? With Lin/Asik gone, they don't have more cap space than the MLE money? I know to get to a larger number in cap space (16M) they would have had to renounce/waived the non-guaranteed guys on top of moving Asik/Lin, but I thought just moving Asik/Lin gave them some cap space.

Also, I tried looking on ESPN and didn't see any TE's for HOU?

[Mel_13]

How do they not have cap space? With Lin/Asik gone, they don't have more cap space than the MLE money? I know to get to a larger number in cap space (16M) they would have had to renounce/waived the non-guaranteed guys on top of moving Asik/Lin, but I thought just moving Asik/Lin gave them some cap space.

Also, I tried looking on ESPN and didn't see any TE's for HOU?

The Lin and Asik trades will both create TEs.

[DPG21920]

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This doesn't make sense either.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Euro star Nikola Mirotic's deal with the Chicago Bulls will be three years, $17M-plus, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[DPG21920]

The Lin and Asik trades will both create TEs.

There it is. The missing variable. Which then answers the above about cap space because then HOU technically only moved one of the 8M salaries instead of both because Ariza is coming in via TE.

[SpursFan86]

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[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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This doesn't make sense either.

I thought you couldn't trade the player to the team that submitted an offer and was accepted by said player who was a rfa. This ship sailed when Cuban submitted signing to the league office I presume.

[Mel_13]

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I never thought that they'd amnesty Boozer, but it's the only way to pay Pau and Mirotic.

[ace3g]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
(https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt)Pelicans will get Asik, Omri Casspi & 1.5M from Houston. Rockets get Ariza from Wizards, Alonzo Gee and 2015 protected first from Pelicans.

[SpursFan86]

I never thought that they'd amnesty Boozer, but it's the only way to pay Pau and Mirotic.

How much cap space will they have after getting both Pau and Mirotic? Let's assume Pau is getting $6.5 million this year (rumored amount).

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I never thought that they'd amnesty Boozer, but it's the only way to pay Pau and Mirotic.

Nobody wanted him, especially when they knew they had to amnesty him at this point. Costing the Bulls 27 mil for Gasol this year. Hope it was worth it.

[Chinook]

There it is. The missing variable. Which then answers the above about cap space because then HOU technically only moved one of the 8M salaries instead of both because Ariza is coming in via TE.

Yeah. Houston decided to stay over the cap. They weren't complete fools.

[DPG21920]

Wow - how is CHI getting those guys with just the money from Boozer?

[Chinook]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
(https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt)Pelicans will get Asik, Omri Casspi & 1.5M from Houston. Rockets get Ariza from Wizards, Alonzo Gee and 2015 protected first from Pelicans.



So it was the first interpretation.

[DPG21920]

Nobody wanted him, especially when they knew they had to amnesty him at this point. Costing the Bulls 27 mil for Gasol this year. Hope it was worth it.

Well, really, it's costing Bulls 6M more to have Pau/Mirotic vs Boozer/Mirotic if the reported numbers for Pau are true (6.5M per year.). Possibly less if someone picks up some of the tab for Boozer (which is likely).

[Mel_13]

How much cap space will they have after getting both Pau and Mirotic? Let's assume Pau is getting $6.5 million this year (rumored amount).

Not much. Less than an MLE-sized amount.

[DPG21920]

So it was the first interpretation.

So now HOU will still have their MLE (because they included Ariza in the deal for Asik) and have an 8M TE from the Lin trade. However, they will be hard capped at 81M this year because of the participation in the S&T.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Wow - how is CHI getting those guys with just the money from Boozer?

They were only at 65 salary in committed salaries. They shed a million trading Smith to the Mavs.

I guess Hinrich, Gasol, and Mirotic agree to contracts that fit into the 16 mil space they will have.

[DPG21920]

Not much. Less than an MLE-sized amount.

Really? I didn't think they would have even 2M left. I thought amnesty of Boozer would result in about 13M in cap space if they also waived James, Brewer, Amundson? With Pau at 6.5 & Mirotic at 5.5, that's only 1M left. Trade Smith and that's 1M more for 2M. Then they have to sign Kirk? Am I missing something?

[Texas_Ranger]

Mirotič better play well.

[Mel_13]

Really? I didn't think they would have even 2M left. I thought amnesty of Boozer would result in about 13M in cap space if they also waived James, Brewer, Amundson? With Pau at 6.5 & Mirotic at 5.5, that's only 1M left. Trade Smith and that's 1M more for 2M. Then they have to sign Kirk? Am I missing something?

No. I came to about the same number.

They'll also have the room exception.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Well, really, it's costing Bulls 6M more to have Pau/Mirotic vs Boozer/Mirotic if the reported numbers for Pau are true (6.5M per year.). Possibly less if someone picks up some of the tab for Boozer (which is likely).

Not talking about cap space, but actual pay. True, this number will be reduce if someone puts a bid in for Boozer, which is highly likely?

[SpursFan86]

I thought Boozer was due $17ish million this year? Or does amnestying not give you the player's entire salary space back?

[DPG21920]

Not talking about cap space, but actual pay. True, this number will be reduce if someone puts a bid in for Boozer, which is highly likely?

I'd say so. Boozer, while not worth 16M is still a very solid offensive big man and some team I am sure would be willing to pay him a little money to get him on their team.

[Obstructed_View]

Did I hear on the radio that HHSNBN is a Maverick now? :lmao

[timtonymanu]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent Richard Jefferson is finalizing a one-year agreement with Dallas, league source tells Yahoo Sports.




Did I hear on the radio that HHSNBN is a Maverick now? :lmao

[DPG21920]

:lmao NBA. What is the point of even having the rule then?

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[Hoops Czar]

I'm shocked no team has signed Baynes to an offer sheet. I would have thought teams would be gaga over this stud by now. Maybe Pop didn't showcase him enough.

[Mel_13]

:lmao NBA. What is the point of even having the rule then?


I would have been willing to place a sizable bet that mutually canceling the offer sheet was not possible.