Official 2014 Free Agency Thread

[raybies]

And we're off.

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[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

My hopes: Spurs keep Diaw (18/3 or 15/2 if necessary), Mills (18-24/4), and Bonner (vet min, for him about 1.4 I think), sign SloMo, jettison Daye, trade or waive Ayers, bring in Ed Davis. I'd call that a perfect off-season.

[timtonymanu]

Diaw and Mills, that's all.

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[benstanfield]

Re-signing Diaw and Mills is pretty much our entire agenda this offseason. That and finding a FO spot for Bonner.

Sucks that this is the case, cause it means our entire hopes of becoming a better team than 2014 is Anderson being decent and the improvement of Beli in the system, Ayres, Daye, and Baynes*. I really don't think the Spurs have that great a pitch to make for anyone but C level FAs. If we keep Diaw and Mills there are almost no guaranteed minutes for any player that signs.

[TheGoldStandard]

Re-signing Diaw and Mills is pretty much our entire agenda this offseason. That and finding a FO spot for Bonner.

Sucks that this is the case, cause it means our entire hopes of becoming a better team than 2014 is Anderson being decent and the improvement of Beli in the system, Ayres, Daye, and Baynes*. I really don't think the Spurs have that great a pitch to make for anyone but C level FAs. If we keep Diaw and Mills there are almost no guaranteed minutes for any player that signs.


Don't really need anyone to improve our team, our bench is pretty deep and every one plays a specific part. Diaw and Mills will help, Anderson will be a Toro learning and we might bring in one person during FA but who knows if they make the cut.

[LakerHater]

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[Ice009]

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I wonder if the Spurs were interested in James Johnson after the season he had in Memphis? I'm sure I read that they bought him in for a look last off season. I wonder what their opinion of him was back then and if it changed at all while seeing him play for Memphis last season.

And what's the deal with Lowry? Why did the Rockets get rid of him in the first place? They had both Dragic and Lowry (can't recall which of the two they had first, can someone enlighten me?). Why didn't they keep one of them instead of signing Lin?

[benstanfield]

Don't really need anyone to improve our team, our bench is pretty deep and every one plays a specific part. Diaw and Mills will help, Anderson will be a Toro learning and we might bring in one person during FA but who knows if they make the cut.

Big three will be a year older and OKC won 2 games playing 2.5 on 5. No guarantee of HCA next year.

We played great in the POs this year but if I were PATFO I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable going into the West with the same team next year, especially with LBJ/Melo and others still up in the air.

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[TheGoldStandard]

Big three will be a year older and OKC won 2 games playing 2.5 on 5. No guarantee of HCA next year.

We played great in the POs this year but if I were PATFO I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable going into the West with the same team next year, especially with LBJ/Melo and others still up in the air.

The infrastructure won't allow us to change major parts. Can't expect FA's to come in and learn the system and be effective with an aging core. Gotta role the dice with primary weapons, secondary weapons and bank on a steal or that our draft pick pans out quickly.

[TheGoldStandard]

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LOL...

[Ice009]

That and finding a FO spot for Bonner.

How in the heck do you even know that Bonner wants a front office job as of now? He might want to keep playing and willing to go to another team if the Spurs don't want him back. lol at fans deciding on what Bonner should do.

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[benstanfield]

How in the heck do you even know that Bonner wants a front office job as of now? He might want to keep playing and willing to go to another team if the Spurs don't want him back. lol at fans deciding on what Bonner should do.

Wooooosh

He can sign with whoever the fuck he wants IDC. Why are you on ST with a response like that? You could respond to literally any post here like that. What are you 65?

[BatManu20]

Spurs interested in Rashard Lewis after he went off on us in the Finals

[raybies]

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[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs interested in Rashard Lewis after he went off on us in the Finals

Low IQ baller though, wouldn't make the extra pass..

[BatManu20]

Stay away from Telfair tbh

[TheGoldStandard]

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No they didn't.. lol.. Spurs and Telfair.. that's like the end of the world.

[loveforthegame]

Eww. Lewis and Telfair??

[Ice009]

Wooooosh

He can sign with whoever the fuck he wants IDC. Why are you on ST with a response like that? You could respond to literally any post here like that. What are you 65?

lol, why have you decided that Bonner doesn't want to play basketball anymore? I don't recall Bonner saying that he wants to retire or hearing anything like that from anyone else, so why have you decided that his career is over and he should be looking to get a front office job?

[TheGoldStandard]

Eww. Lewis and Telfair??

Agents trying to spice up there FA's, nothing to see here.

[LakerHater]

WTF!?
Lewis & Telfair!?

[loveforthegame]

Agents trying to spice up there FA's, nothing to see here.

No doubt but at least throw out some attractive names. :lol

[Ice009]

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hmm this is not the first time I've heard his name linked to the Spurs. Why in the F would they even be remotely interested in him? Or is this just a case of more Spurs name dropping to drum up interest in him?

[spursparker9]

Interest in Telfair to scare Patty?

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[TheyCallMePro]

Were going to prioritize re-signing Mills and Diaw, and if we do, all of our available money will be spent.

So if you're looking at other free agents...then you're also looking away from Mills and Diaw. The hell with that.

[TheGoldStandard]

hmm this is not the first time I've heard his name linked to the Spurs. Why in the F would they even be remotely interested in him? Or is this just a case of more Spurs name dropping to drum up interest in him?

See above, yup.. if the champs are looking at you, then he has to be a commodity

[spursparker9]

Lewis is done, tbh.

Any news on Ray Allen?

[TheGoldStandard]

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Mitch called and asked if Lebron wouldn't mind being the scapegoat for a few years in LA.

[Ice009]

Interest in Telfair to scare Patty?

I think that name would scare Spurs fans more than it would Patty.

[raybies]

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http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2417/sebastian-telfair

[TheGoldStandard]

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Lance needs to stay put.. the bulls are bad juju with Mr. Glass

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojoYahooNBA 3 years/18M for Deng. He is now an @LAClippers #Clippers

[hsxvvd]

Agents trying to spice up there FA's, nothing to see here.

This. I know Spurs don't comment on this stuff, but given the fucknuts involved in these rumors they should make the exception and put this bullshit to bed.

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[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

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:lol Houston want him back after jettisoning him to the Raptors in the first place so they could go ahead with Lin. I hope Lowry tells them where to go.

[raybies]

Stretch 4 role and back-up PG. The Spurs seem to be considering their options.

[Ice009]

Were going to prioritize re-signing Mills and Diaw, and if we do, all of our available money will be spent.

So if you're looking at other free agents...then you're also looking away from Mills and Diaw. The hell with that.

I'm pretty sure the Spurs would still have the MLE to spend, that is, unless both of those guys want obscene contracts.

Do the Spurs also have a LLE? Anyone know?

[DPG21920]

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[hsxvvd]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojoYahooNBA 3 years/18M for Deng. He is now an @LAClippers #Clippers

Woj must work with the NSA

[DPG21920]

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More lies :lol

[raybies]

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[LakerHater]

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[Ice009]

:lol Houston want him back after jettisoning him to the Raptors in the first place so they could go ahead with Lin. I hope Lowry tells them where to go.

Was both Lowry and Dragic on the team at the same time? Which one did they have first? I can't recall. Either way, ending up with Lin instead of one of those two wasn't a great move.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

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I wonder if the Spurs were interested in James Johnson after the season he had in Memphis? I'm sure I read that they bought him in for a look last off season. I wonder what their opinion of him was back then and if it changed at all while seeing him play for Memphis last season.

And what's the deal with Lowry? Why did the Rockets get rid of him in the first place? They had both Dragic and Lowry (can't recall which of the two they had first, can someone enlighten me?). Why didn't they keep one of them instead of signing Lin?

They had Dragic first, then replaced him with Lowry and traded Dragic back to the Suns IIRC.

Morey is a clever guy, but he sure has a poor read on PGs. :lol

[spursparker9]

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So fast?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

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They make up a lot of shit, don't they. Why would we be interested in Telfair?

[DPG21920]

Spurs can have cap space in a few ways. Just have to see which way they go with Boris Patty.

[Ice009]

They had Dragic first, then replaced him with Lowry and traded Dragic back to the Suns IIRC.

Morey is a clever guy, but he sure has a poor read on PGs. :lol

Who did they get in the Dragic trade? I thought he showed a lot of promise in Houston and that they should have re-signed him. Are you sure he didn't go back to Phoenix as a free agent? I thought he went back as a free agent. Was that the off season that they traded for Harden? Could they have still gotten Harden with Dragic on the team?

Edit : I thought Phoenix traded him to Houston and he left Houston as a free agent as they didn't really give him a great offer to stay. I could be wrong though. It's kind stupid that they let two really good point guards go and ended up with Lin instead.

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[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yeah, you know what, everyone just remember this: you will see the Spurs name injected into thousands of stories in the next two weeks, and most of them are BULLSHIT. Actually, that goes for most of the reports you will read.

At this time of year a lot of people lose their heads and forget that the media machine is feasting on the uncertainty of free agency and fan fears to sell ads. Keep calm, maintain perspective, and you will both see through the bullshit and not go insane.

That is all, carry on. ;)

[Ice009]

fake account

What's his real twitter account?

[Emperor]

Lol Marc Spears

[RD2191]

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[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Who did they get in the Dragic trade? I thought he showed a lot of promise in Houston and that they should have re-signed him. Are you sure he didn't go back to Phoenix as a free agent? I thought he went back as a free agent. Was that the off season that they traded for Harden? Could they have still gotten Harden with Dragic on the team?

I was wrong, he signed with the Suns as an FA. All the details are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goran_Dragi%C4%87

[LakerHater]

What's his real twitter account?

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[Ice009]

When is the first day that you can sign free agents. I know it used to be July 15th, but I think that changed to an earlier date in the new CBA?

Also, do the Spurs have the MLE if they are able to re-sign both Diaw and Mills to reasonable deals? How about the LLE?

[TheGoldStandard]

When is the first day that you can sign free agents. I know it used to be July 15th, but I think that changed to an earlier date in the new CBA?

Also, do the Spurs have the MLE if they are able to re-sign both Diaw and Mills to reasonable deals? How about the LLE?

Depends on the deals, correct me if I'm wrong but if they go over the cap they can use the MLE if they are frugal and able to keep them then no

[TheGreatYacht]

Sebastian Telfair and Rashard Lewis :lmao

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Sebastian Telfair and Rashard Lewis :lmao

Yup, two players I can guarantee you the Spurs are not considering. :lmao

[Emperor]

When is the first day that you can sign free agents. I know it used to be July 15th, but I think that changed to an earlier date in the new CBA?

Also, do the Spurs have the MLE if they are able to re-sign both Diaw and Mills to reasonable deals? How about the LLE?

It's July 10th i believe.

[Ice009]

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Thanks. Looks like Riley is interested in Luol Deng. That would suck if they were able to get a decent quality backup like that for Lebron.

I'd really like the Spurs to get a decent backup for Kawhi. RC said that there was a hole there last off season and nothing's changed IMO, they still don't have a true SF backup for Kawhi.

What do you guys think in regards to a proper SF backup for Kawhi? Do the Spurs really need one or not?

[TheyCallMePro]

Sebastian Telfair and Rashard Lewis :lmao

Sigh... the two most washed up scrubs in the league... Oh wait, Telfair played in China this past season. My God. Thank God this is BS.

[TheGreatYacht]

Yup, two players I can guarantee you the Spurs are not considering. :lmao
I wouldn't mind Lewis for the minimum but these agents never fail :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Sigh... the two most washed up scrubs in the league... Oh wait, Telfair played in China this past season. My God. Thank God this is BS.
I agree. They should keep in contact with some guys as a backup plan though just in case... But Sebastian. F*****. Telfair :lol

[ElNono]

Can't send Telfair or Shard to the Toros... BS detected

[BatManu20]

If Patty Mills were to leave, Spurs should look at Jameer Nelson.

[BatManu20]

It appears the Mavs and Rockets are interested in every single FA.

[ducks]

Thanks. Looks like Riley is interested in Luol Deng. That would suck if they were able to get a decent quality backup like that for Lebron.

I'd really like the Spurs to get a decent backup for Kawhi. RC said that there was a hole there last off season and nothing's changed IMO, they still don't have a true SF backup for Kawhi.

What do you guys think in regards to a proper SF backup for Kawhi? Do the Spurs really need one or not? LeBron is going to play

40 minutes deng is going to want more minutes

deng was older he would go there

vince carter is their best hope
but if mavs get lucky withg splash he may stay with mavs

[Baam]

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Would be a very nice 4th big imo.

[BatManu20]

I think Paul Pierce likely ends up in LAC. They covet him and he loves playing for Doc Rivers and knows it gives him a chance to win.

[Ditty]

I see the Telfair interest with the possibility of Cory Joseph being traded to a team desperate for a point guard or back up, or the risk of losing Mills.

Lewis also with Matt Bonner possibly retiring.

Not the best choices though, and could see smoke screens but I can see the logic in these two players.

[LakerHater]

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That ends James signin in Cleveland!

[Shabazz]

I think Paul Pierce likely ends up in LAC. They covet him and he loves playing for Doc Rivers and knows it gives him a chance to win.

and he is from California

[BatManu20]

Lebron was never going to Cleveland anyways. Like he'd go back to that dump, especially after how Dan Gilbert handled him leaving.. It was always Miami and a couple longshot teams like LAC and the Rockets. He's staying in Miami, along with the other Big 3, and they'll sign a middle-tier FA to come in and then have to sign a bunch of minimum vets and fillers for the rest of the roster. Adding Shabazz at PG was big too.

[BatManu20]

and he is from California

Yep. Right up the road from me in Inglewood. Makes too much sense for him. The Nets are going nowhere in a hurry.

[Emperor]

Thanks. Looks like Riley is interested in Luol Deng. That would suck if they were able to get a decent quality backup like that for Lebron.

I'd really like the Spurs to get a decent backup for Kawhi. RC said that there was a hole there last off season and nothing's changed IMO, they still don't have a true SF backup for Kawhi.

What do you guys think in regards to a proper SF backup for Kawhi? Do the Spurs really need one or not?

Trevor Ariza would counter that move in the best way not enough money to land him most likely.

[tmtcsc]

Big three will be a year older and OKC won 2 games playing 2.5 on 5. No guarantee of HCA next year.

We played great in the POs this year but if I were PATFO I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable going into the West with the same team next year, especially with LBJ/Melo and others still up in the air.

I have no fear of any team in the East being a challenge for the Spurs. As constructed, Spurs should be the favorites to repeat. In the West, I don't see anyone being able to significantly improve. OKC won a couple of games against the Spurs but that boogeyman of a team is dead. Spurs overcame that challenge and Durant will have Leonard to look forward to from here on out.

** On another note - The Kyle Lowry love is silly and astonishing. What are teams thinking? I don't think he's leaving Toronto anyways. They are prepared to give him the keys to the bank.

[tmtcsc]

I think Paul Pierce likely ends up in LAC. They covet him and he loves playing for Doc Rivers and knows it gives him a chance to win.

I think Pierce is pretty much good for 20 minutes a night. It would be a nice veteran pickup for Clips but he's too old to be considered a huge FA gain.

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[tmtcsc]

Shaun Livingston would be a nice pick up for the Spurs. He can give you minutes at the 2 & 3.

[tmtcsc]

One of the big winners of Free Agency will be Chandler Parsons. Houston messed up with that. If they want to keep him, they are going to pay big time. Another team will overpay.

[Spursfanfromafar]

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Anderson, Livingston, Diaw.... Point Forwards.

[T Park]

Shaun Livingston would be awesome. Showed this past season he still has it and has gotten some hops back.

[Ice009]

One of the big winners of Free Agency will be Chandler Parsons. Houston messed up with that. If they want to keep him, they are going to pay big time. Another team will overpay.

How did they mess up? Could they have signed him to an extension earlier and not let it get to this point?

Edit : Also, I never really watched any Brooklyn games this past season. Did Livingston really play that well?

[BatManu20]

Livingston would be a great pickup tbh. Had a great year and could play the 3 for us. His point-forward capabilities would fit right in. I think he'd prefer to go to a younger team that could pay him more and offer more PT though.

[Ice009]

Livingston would be a great pickup tbh. Had a great year and could play the 3 for us.

How tall is he and what does he weigh these days? I thought that he was rail thin? Does he have the strength to play the 3? I'm very interested if he's got his game back. A point SF would be good.

[TheGreatYacht]

Portland is pursuing Diaw...

MF's wanna make us overpay another player (Splitter) . I say they're gonna bluff and throw a big contract so PATFO can match

[BatManu20]

How tall is he and what does he weigh these days? I thought that he was rail thin? Does he have the strength to play the 3? I'm very interested if he's got his game back. A point SF would be good.

Still thin at 6'7 and around 180 lbs. But he's a solid defender and maximizes his length. His best asset is his ability to create and distribute on offense though and was a spark-plug off the bench for Brooklyn this season, averaging 8 pts and being the main catalyst of the offense. Played well in the playoffs against Miami too.

[BatManu20]

Portland is pursuing Diaw...

MF's wanna make us overpay another player (Splitter) . I say they're gonna bluff and throw a big contract so PATFO can match

Blazers are courting Greg Monroe as well, and have said to be the fronrunners. Doesn't make sense for Diaw to sign there if that's the case. Could be a bluff.

[Emperor]

Livingston sounds good to me!

[tmtcsc]

How did they mess up? Could they have signed him to an extension earlier and not let it get to this point?

Edit : Also, I never really watched any Brooklyn games this past season. Did Livingston really play that well?

Yes to both questions. Livingston is versatile and lanky and can cause issues when playing D.

[Mel_13]

Yes to both questions. Livingston is versatile and lanky and can cause issues when playing D.

Parsons was not eligible for an extension. Houston did not mess up. They made a decision that will cost more in the short term, but results in the greatest probability of keeping him for the long term

[objective]

Blazers should only have MLE, spurs can handle that if they want

[Ice009]

Blazers should only have MLE, spurs can handle that if they want

What would they be planning to offer Monroe and Diaw then? I doubt either would go there for the MLE.

[Mel_13]

What would they be planning to offer Monroe and Diaw then? I doubt either would go there for the MLE.

There's no reliable report that they've offered anything. With Monroe, there's the possibility of a sign and trade.

In any event, they don't currently have cap space.

[Nathan89]

Livingston is the perfect ball handler to create for the bench while Manu rests during the regular season. Which is very important when your backup pg is Patty Mills. He'll be able to guard pgs, sgs, and frail sfs like Durant.

Hope the Livingston interest isn't a sign that Patty is leaving tbh.

[Baam]

Given the number of PGs they're linked to I do think that Mills is gone...

[MaNu4Tres]

Given the number of PGs they're linked to I do think that Mills is gone...



Hope the Livingston interest isn't a sign that Patty is leaving tbh.


Highly doubt its a sign.

Spurs are just doing their due diligence by having "appropriate fear" of Mills leaving for more money. They have to have plans b, c, d, ect. in place just in case -- it's the wise thing to do.

[Nathan89]

Given the number of PGs they're linked to I do think that Mills is gone...

Telfair should not ever be in consideration.

If Patty wants to get paid Livingston would be a great fit as long as we can pick up a nice stretch 4 to backup Diaw.

[Emperor]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483887171451891712

Guess he's finally gonna get alittle bit of sleep? lol

[99 Problems]

Livingston if healthy is not coming cheap. Nice player indeed.

[Nathan89]

Livingston could be the player the Spurs go all out for. He will add a lot to the team this year and if Manu retires after this year his talents will really be needed.

[spursparker9]

Would be real nice if Livingston can shoot 3s.

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Player's agents trying to hype interest in their clients by linking them to the Spurs?

[Texas_Ranger]

At least Livingston can be a true point guard with great passing skills. Sucks that he can't shoot.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Anderson, Livingston, Diaw.... Point Forwards.

Livingston is a 6'7" combo guard. but he would allow players like Green and Mills to be on the court as he can definitely run the point. He is a very good defender. Pretty much owned the Heat last year.

Spurs can sign as many players as they want, they just have to be under 15 when TC starts. Livingston is definitely a guy I can see the Spurs signing for the most of the MLE. He would take a lot of load off of Manu as well this season. He can play 3 positions which is something the Spurs really value.

Nets just have the mini MLE to throw at him so the Spurs definitely have the advantage in signing him if they want to.


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[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Player's agents trying to hype interest in their clients by linking them to the Spurs?

Telfair rumor is BS. But I can definitely see the Spurs being interest in Livingston.

[benefactor]

Beyond Manu, the Spurs really don't have another 1/2 combo guard. Livingston makes a lot of sense and would be a welcomed addition.

[jag]

Sucks that this is the case, cause it means our entire hopes of becoming a better team than 2014 is Anderson being decent and the improvement of Beli in the system, Ayres, Daye, and Baynes*. I really don't think the Spurs have that great a pitch to make for anyone but C level FAs. If we keep Diaw and Mills there are almost no guaranteed minutes for any player that signs.

Kawhi, Green and Splitter are still developing as players. More so Green and Kawhi, but Splitter has had a noticeable improvement each year.

[tmtcsc]

Parsons was not eligible for an extension. Houston did not mess up. They made a decision that will cost more in the short term, but results in the greatest probability of keeping him for the long term

They declined the team option which would have paid him just over 964k and made him a RFA. They will end up losing him or matching a very substantial offer he is bound to get.

Why did they allow this to happen? To free up cap space for Melo and/or Lebron?

[Mel_13]

They declined the team option which would have paid him just over 964k and made him a RFA. They will end up losing him or matching a very substantial offer he is bound to get.

Why did they allow this to happen? To free up cap space for Melo and/or Lebron?

They did it to make him an RFA. If they allowed him to play out his contract, he would have been unrestricted next summer. This move actually increases the size of his cap hold for this summer and gives them less cap space to chase Melo.

As I said, they pay more in the short term, but increase the likelihood that he stays in the long term.

One other thing, as a restricted FA he can be useful in a two-way sign and trade for a player like Melo. As a 964K player, he is less useful in trade scenarios.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

They declined the team option which would have paid him just over 964k and made him a RFA. They will end up losing him or matching a very substantial offer he is bound to get.

Why did they allow this to happen? To free up cap space for Melo and/or Lebron?

I see this backfiring on them. Parson is going to get an offer upwards to 10-12 mil this offseason especially from Dallas. He was their best players in last year's playoffs series against the Blazer.

They will probably match, but this will basically eat up most of their cap. Melo is staying with the Knicks or going to the Bulls. Lebron is staying in Miami. Rockets are pipe dreaming at this point.

Smart thing would have been for them to option Parson, sign Lowry and then give Parson an extension. Now it just looks like they will just sign Parson to a long-term deal.

[Mel_13]

I see this backfiring on them. Parson is going to get an offer upwards to 10-12 mil this offseason especially from Dallas. He was their best players in last year's playoffs series against the Blazer.

They will probably match, but this will basically eat up most of their cap. Melo is staying with the Knicks or going to the Bulls. Lebron is staying in Miami. Rockets are pipe dreaming at this point.

Smart thing would have been for them to option Parson, sign Lowry and then give Parson an extension. Now it just looks like they will just sign Parson to a long-term deal.

Parsons isn't eligible for an extension.

Parsons only eats up their cap space if they sign him before they sign their target free agent. Until then, his cap hold applies.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Parsons isn't eligible for an extension.

Parsons only eats up their cap space if they sign him before they sign their target free agent. Until then, his cap hold applies.

What if Dallas makes an offer today (hypothetical). They only have 3 days to match. This might not be enough time as the Melo and Lebron probably aren't going to sign anywhere until the weekend.

They could have picked up the option for Parson for peanuts this year (960k), now his caphold is over 2mil. They could have easily resigned him next year. Team knowing the Rockets predicament can steal Parsons by buying early, while the Rockets play the wait game and lose out on both Parsons and signing another Big FA.

Rockets were stupid for not picking up Parsons imo. He could have been trade bait in a S&T as well.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/28/report-rockets-will-not-pick-up-chandler-parsons-player-option-hell-be-restricted-free-agent/

[MeloHype]

Much rather resign Bonner than sign Lewis

[Mel_13]

What if Dallas makes an offer today (hypothetical). They only have 3 days to match. This might not be enough time as the Melo and Lebron probably aren't going to sign anywhere until the weekend.

They could have picked up the option for Parson for peanuts this year (960k), now his caphold is over 2mil. They could have easily resigned him next year. Team knowing the Rockets predicament can steal Parsons by buying early, while the Rockets play the wait game and lose out on both Parsons and signing another Big FA.

Rockets were stupid for not picking up Parsons imo. He could have been trade bait in a S&T as well.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/28/report-rockets-will-not-pick-up-chandler-parsons-player-option-hell-be-restricted-free-agent/

No player can sign until July 11th, so your hypothetical does not apply. They would have from the 11th to the 13th to sign their free agent target, and then could match any offer sheet on the 14th.

He would have been unrestricted next summer, so I disagree that they could have easily resigned him then. It's much more certain that they will retain him as a restricted free agent this summer.

IMO, he's more valuable in a potential S&T as an RFA than as a 964K contract.

We just disagree in general and specific terms about the wisdom of Houston's tactics with Parsons' contract.

[Mugen]

No to Lewis and I'm not sure if Livingston's skillset is a fit here tbh. If Mills leaves, then I'd much rather hand the reigns to CoJo instead of paying Livingston what he'll be asking.

[tmtcsc]

No to Lewis and I'm not sure if Livingston's skillset is a fit here tbh. If Mills leaves, then I'd much rather hand the reigns to CoJo instead of paying Livingston what he'll be asking.

Livingston's skillset would be a fantastic fit here. He doesn't shoot the 3 very often but he's a solid, long-armed defender, can handle point duties if necessary and is a very good passer. He definitely fits the mold of versatile players the Spurs are targeting. Thank you Boris and Manu.

I would love the Spurs to get another player that can attack the rim relentlessly like a younger Ginobili. Not sure one is out there.

[MaNu4Tres]

No to Lewis and I'm not sure if Livingston's skillset is a fit here tbh. If Mills leaves, then I'd much rather hand the reigns to CoJo instead of paying Livingston what he'll be asking.


I like Vasquez as a potential Mills replacement.

Even though he's a restricted free agent, the Raptors may not match an offer if they can get Lowry to re-sign.

[tmtcsc]

No player can sign until July 11th, so your hypothetical does not apply. They would have from the 11th to the 13th to sign their free agent target, and then could match any offer sheet on the 14th.

He would have been unrestricted next summer, so I disagree that they could have easily resigned him then. It's much more certain that they will retain him as a restricted free agent this summer.

IMO, he's more valuable in a potential S&T as an RFA than as a 964K contract.

We just disagree in general and specific terms about the wisdom of Houston's tactics with Parsons' contract.

I see what they were thinking in allowing him to be a restricted free agent now, but he could still mess things up if he signs an offer and forces them to match much sooner than Houston wants. Am I understanding this correctly?

If they didn't allow him to become a RFA, he would have been on the books very cheap but not as valuable as a trade asset.

[Mel_13]

I see what they were thinking in allowing him to be a restricted free agent now, but he could still mess things up if he signs an offer and forces them to match much sooner than Houston wants. Am I understanding this correctly?

If they didn't allow him to become a RFA, he would have been on the books very cheap but not as valuable as a trade asset.

See my post. No player can sign until July 11th. That means that Houston will have until July 14th to sign their free agent target before they have to match any offer sheet.

[tmtcsc]

See my post. No player can sign until July 11th. That means that Houston will have until July 14th to sign their free agent target before they have to match any offer sheet.

If Parsons signs someone else's offer sheet on July 11, the Rockets will have 3 days to match. Can they also match the offer and trade him or do they need to keep him per the new CBA? If Melo or James haven't made up their minds by then, Houston may be in tough position correct?

[Mel_13]

If Parsons signs someone else's offer sheet on July 11, the Rockets will have 3 days to match. Can they also match the offer and trade him or do they need to keep him per the new CBA? If Melo or James haven't made up their minds by then, Houston may be in tough position correct?

If he signs an offer sheet, that will be his new contract. Houston has only two choices, match the offer or let him go.

If they match, then they can't trade him to any team for one year without Parsons' consent. They can't trade him to the team that provided the offer sheet for one year even with Parsons' consent.

Of course, the usual restrictions on trading newly signed free agents (no trade until Dec 15th), also apply.

[cd021]

Depends on the deals, correct me if I'm wrong but if they go over the cap they can use the MLE if they are frugal and able to keep them then no

they could resign Mills and use Diaw's $9 million dollar cap hold, i believe, to stay over and use the MLE and then bird rights Diaw.

[ducks]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine ·

Nets are limited by what they can pay to keep Livingston after all that luxury tax they paid. Bound to struggle to re-sign him at this rate

[tmtcsc]

If he signs an offer sheet, that will be his new contract. Houston has only two choices, match the offer or let him go.

If they match, then they can't trade him to any team for one year without Parsons' consent. They can't trade him to the team that provided the offer sheet for one year even with Parsons' consent.

Of course, the usual restrictions on trading newly signed free agents (no trade until Dec 15th), also apply.

You certainly know your stuff. Ok, so the scenario I mentioned (Parsons signing an offer sheet before Melo, James, Lowry or Bosh have made up their minds) is probably the worst case scenario. Parsons doesn't have to sign the offer sheet right away unless the team courting him gives him a deadline. If Houston matches, Parson's takes up the cap space at a higher number and limits the amount of FA that Houston can pursue. I don't think Lowry is going to leave Toronto and the chances of getting Lebron or Bosh are pretty slim. That leaves Melo and Gasol and Gasol's not going to play with Howard again. So, at this point its match Parsons offer and go after Melo. If necessary, do a sign and trade with Harden to Miami and bring in James. Maybe that would be doable.

[Chinook]

Of course, the usual restrictions on trading newly signed free agents (no trade until Dec 15th), also apply.

January 15, as Parsons would be a BYC player.

[FireMicoHalili]

No player can sign until July 11th, so your hypothetical does not apply. They would have from the 11th to the 13th to sign their free agent target, and then could match any offer sheet on the 14th.

He would have been unrestricted next summer, so I disagree that they could have easily resigned him then. It's much more certain that they will retain him as a restricted free agent this summer.

IMO, he's more valuable in a potential S&T as an RFA than as a 964K contract.

We just disagree in general and specific terms about the wisdom of Houston's tactics with Parsons' contract.
Dang. Snap crackle pop!

[minuzzo21]

I'd like Livingston, he would be a good fit for us

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

If he signs an offer sheet, that will be his new contract. Houston has only two choices, match the offer or let him go.

If they match, then they can't trade him to any team for one year without Parsons' consent. They can't trade him to the team that provided the offer sheet for one year even with Parsons' consent.

Of course, the usual restrictions on trading newly signed free agents (no trade until Dec 15th), also apply.

Now the Rockets have no say in a sign and trade of Parsons at this point is basically what you are saying when it comes to this offseason. But if they had exercise his option, he would be under contract and a trade chip at the Rockets disposal right now. Rockets really f this one up bc if they kept Asik, they could have traded Lin, Asik, and Parson Maybe a 1st rounder as well to the Knicks for Melo. Lin is crowd favorite there, Asik would replace Chandler's loss, and Parson would replace Melo. I see this as a trade the Knicks would have made.

Now the rockets have no trade chips and the only way they can land Melo or Lebron is if either one wants to take a huge pay cut, seeing that they only have around 10 mil cap space when considering their holds. That is not happening.

[Mugen]

Eh, I just don't see the Livingston fit. He's a nice player to have if you expect Manu to be out 1/2 the season (jury's out on that w/ him playing this summer) but he's redundant. His best work is on the block or with the ball in his hand, two roles fulfilled by Manu/Diaw in the 2nd unit.

Even defensively, he's best suited to guard 2s and 3s. You need a guy to guard quicker PGs since nobody on the team can do that outside of Mills/TP.

If Patty leaves, then CoJo is a better fit at a cheaper price tbh.

[Nathan89]

Eh, I just don't see the Livingston fit. He's a nice player to have if you expect Manu to be out 1/2 the season (jury's out on that w/ him playing this summer) but he's redundant. His best work is on the block or with the ball in his hand, two roles fulfilled by Manu/Diaw in the 2nd unit.

Even defensively, he's best suited to guard 2s and 3s. You need a guy to guard quicker PGs since nobody on the team can do that outside of Mills/TP.

If Patty leaves, then CoJo is a better fit at a cheaper price tbh.

Diaw might not be in the second unit. The C position should have plenty of minutes for Splitter and Tim to Split. This puts a lot of burden on Manu throughout the year and it's worse if Manu is out.

Not sure why this is a problem if he's playing with Mills. Unless you think the only way he comes is with the departure of Mills.

[elemento]

Livingston is a good backup PG, but I don't see the fit. He is a career 20% 3-point shooter. He barely takes 3s because he horrible at it.

SA needs a backup PG that can shoot 3s. That's basically what's holding Cory down to take the backup PG spot. I'd rather spend the MLE money on a 4th BIG that compliments Duncan/Splitter/Diaw.

[Mel_13]

January 15, as Parsons would be a BYC player.

Thanks.

[Mel_13]

Now the Rockets have no say in a sign and trade of Parsons at this point is basically what you are saying when it comes to this offseason. But if they had exercise his option, he would be under contract and a trade chip at the Rockets disposal right now. Rockets really f this one up bc if they kept Asik, they could have traded Lin, Asik, and Parson Maybe a 1st rounder as well to the Knicks for Melo. Lin is crowd favorite there, Asik would replace Chandler's loss, and Parson would replace Melo. I see this as a trade the Knicks would have made.

Now the rockets have no trade chips and the only way they can land Melo or Lebron is if either one wants to take a huge pay cut, seeing that they only have around 10 mil cap space when considering their holds. That is not happening.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

We fundamentally disagree on the generalities and specifics of this issue.

Time to move along.

[objective]

Technicality question: if a team signs Parsons to an offer sheet, does his cap hold adjust to that number until the rockets match or decline our does it stay as it is.

[Mugen]

Diaw might not be in the second unit. The C position should have plenty of minutes for Splitter and Tim to Split. This puts a lot of burden on Manu throughout the year and it's worse if Manu is out.

Not sure why this is a problem if he's playing with Mills. Unless you think the only way he comes is with the departure of Mills.

Diaw should remain in the 2nd unit next season tbh. Not every team is a matchup problem for Tiago/Tim frontcourt especially in the regular season. Having Boris off the bench does many things namely 1) Allow Tiago to start and take the defensive burden off of Tim 2) Lessen the playmaking burden off Manu in the 2nd unit.

Livingston only comes here if Patty leaves, otherwise he doesn't see any minutes and would be an expensive luxury the Spurs don't need.

Mills is such a great backup PG because he's so different from TP with his range and quick trigger. Signing Livingston really doesn't replace any of the skillset that Mills brought to the table tbh.

[xmas1997]

Patty is such a good friend of Timmy, Tony, etc., that I'm pretty sure they want him to get as much as he can, it's a business after all, but at the same time they want him back on the team.

[tholdren]

Now the Rockets have no say in a sign and trade of Parsons at this point is basically what you are saying when it comes to this offseason. But if they had exercise his option, he would be under contract and a trade chip at the Rockets disposal right now. Rockets really f this one up bc if they kept Asik, they could have traded Lin, Asik, and Parson Maybe a 1st rounder as well to the Knicks for Melo. Lin is crowd favorite there, Asik would replace Chandler's loss, and Parson would replace Melo. I see this as a trade the Knicks would have made.

Now the rockets have no trade chips and the only way they can land Melo or Lebron is if either one wants to take a huge pay cut, seeing that they only have around 10 mil cap space when considering their holds. That is not happening.

I think so too, good point, but do you think that Hou knows that Melo is probably CHI bound? IF they knew that, and they know they are outside looking in at Lebron, who is their primary target? I think Love is their guy? Could they give up Lin and Asik for him/Potentially?

[jyra]

Technicality question: if a team signs Parsons to an offer sheet, does his cap hold adjust to that number until the rockets match or decline our does it stay as it is.

The cap hold jumps to the number of the signed offer sheet. The drawback to doing that is that the Rockets can wait until the last minute to match that offer (that's 72 hours after the offer sheet was signed), so the other team has their cap space tied up for that period and might miss out on other free agents.

Mark Deeks as always does a good job explaining the situation with the Rockets and Parson's contract:
http://www.hoop365.com/nba/western-conference/southwest-division/houston-rockets/chandler-parsons-rare-instance-deliberate-overpayment/ (http://www.hoop365.com/nba/western-conference/southwest-division/houston-rockets/chandler-parsons-rare-instance-deliberate-overpayment/)

[Aztecfan03]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojoYahooNBA 3 years/18M for Deng. He is now an @LAClippers #Clippers

good move for them.

[tmtcsc]

good move for them.

Yeah, that was a joke response. Didn't and won't go down like that.

[DesignatedT]

484041639993032704

[MeloHype]

Bazemore is ass

[Mal]

484041639993032704

Classic Spurs are interested move.

[xmas1997]

I think the Spurs are just dong their due diligence if any of these reports are true.

[Dverde]

good move for them.

Didn't the bulls offer Deng much more. Should of signed that contract. That is good deal for the Clippers.

[Aztecfan03]

Portland is pursuing Diaw...

MF's wanna make us overpay another player (Splitter) . I say they're gonna bluff and throw a big contract so PATFO can match

If they offer 10 mil, let them have him.

[DesignatedT]

A lot of these rumors are total bs. Agents linking the Spurs to them to drive up value. I caution gnsf to not takes these tweets too seriously.

[xmas1997]

A lot of these rumors are total bs. Agents linking the Spurs to them to drive up value. I caution gnsf to not takes these tweets too seriously.

What does gnsf have to do with anything of relevance?
Nothing.

[objective]

The Deng report is a hoax from the fake wojoyahoo account and not the authentic wojyahoo.

[Aztecfan03]

Yeah, that was a joke response. Didn't and won't go down like that.

yeah i saw now.

[DesignatedT]

What does gnsf have to do with anything of relevance?
Nothing.

They are the ones who freak out, start pointless new threads, etc..

[xmas1997]

They are the ones who freak out, start pointless new threads, etc..

:lmao
You and I both know that is pure BS.
The color or font has nothing to do with anything.
To think it does is just preposterous at best.
I have to think you are just being contrary, because otherwise ...........
:lol

[Emperor]

good move for them.

LOL fake Woj account bro.

[DesignatedT]

:lmao
You and I both know that is pure BS.
The color or font has nothing to do with anything.
To think it does is just preposterous at best.
I have to think you are just being contrary, because otherwise ...........
:lol

Not sure if you're serious right now or what because im just fuckin around.

But yes, gnsf does start the most ridiculous pointless threads. Just look at the front page. There's a "Spurs keep Daye" thread that was made an hour ago :lmao Like we haven't been discussing this for the past 2 days.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kent "Blaze-more" with the Lakers: :tu
13.1ppg, 3.3reb, 3.1apg, 1.4stl, 45fg%, 37 3P%, 28MPG

[kobyz]

I don't mind to go after that Bazemore kid, he is a nice young talent from what i manage to see from him, could not be worse than Belli and has potential to develop to something very nice...

[xmas1997]

Not sure if you're serious right now or what because im just fuckin around.

But yes, gnsf does start the most ridiculous pointless threads. Just look at the front page. There's a "Spurs keep Daye" thread that was made an hour ago :lmao Like we haven't been discussing this for the past 2 days.

I suspected as much.
I didn't think you were really serious, I figured you were just having a little fun.
No offense was meant by the way.
I just have seen some equally ignorant or irrelevant or redundant threads by both on here over the years so I don't attribute it to font or color.
I remember reading about the feuds between the two sides a few years ago and how silly that was.
So I guess I am as serious as you are, which is probably zip.
That is why I laugh at the implication.
:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

First rule of offseason free agency: you won't hear the Spurs are linked to a guy they are legitimately linked to until they come to terms / sign.

If it's the first week of free agency, and you hear a player linked, it's his agent floating the Spurs interest to get his guy a better offer.

[xmas1997]

First rule of offseason free agency: you won't hear the Spurs are linked to a guy they are legitimately linked to until they come to terms / sign.

If it's the first week of free agency, and you hear a player linked, it's his agent floating the Spurs interest to get his guy a better offer.

Typical, and logical, and the usual ploy.

[kobyz]

Keep Boris and Patty, sign Paul Pierce and Kent Bazemore my perfect off season!
Power Forwards
1. P. Pierce
2. B. Diaw
3. J. Ayres
Centers
1. T. Duncan
2. T. Splitter
3. A. Baynes
Small Forwards
1. K. Leonard
2. S. Mo
3. K. Bazemore
Shooting Guards
1. D. Green
2. M. Ginobili
3. M. Belinelli
Point Guards
1. T. Parker
2. P. Mills
3. C. Joseph

[DesignatedT]

Keep Boris and Petty, sign Paul Pierce and Kent Bazemore my perfect off season!



And nobody averages over 20MPG next year!

[Steve-O-Matic]

Bazemore is a legit young (25) player. He's 6-4 without shoes with a 7-foot wingspan and a developed upper body, and solid speed, first-step quickness and elevation. He's nearly ambidextrous as a ball-handler, is a solid and developing shooter from outside, and was the national college defensive player of the year as a junior at Old Dominion. The biggest question surrounds his recovery from the torn tendon in his foot which ended his season in April. I'd be thrilled to have him as a fifth wing.

[Mr. Body]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine ·

Nets are limited by what they can pay to keep Livingston after all that luxury tax they paid. Bound to struggle to re-sign him at this rate

Nets are just horrid. The only bright spots last year for any kind of future were Miles Plumlee and Shaun Livingston. I'd go in for Livingston if Mills can't stay. I'd love to get him regardless, although the money won't be there if we keep our Aussie.

[Baam]

484056834026647552

Pau tooting his own horn :lol, "look at me, many teams are trying to sign me"...

[kobyz]

Bazemore is a legit young (25) player. He's 6-4 without shoes with a 7-foot wingspan and a developed upper body, and solid speed, first-step quickness and elevation. He's nearly ambidextrous as a ball-handler, is a solid and developing shooter from outside, and was the national college defensive player of the year as a junior at Old Dominion. The biggest question surrounds his recovery from the torn tendon in his foot which ended his season in April. I'd be thrilled to have him as a fifth wing.

He remind me the Ross kid from the Raptors who once scored 50, to me they same type of talent...

[Emperor]

Looks like Miami may have some cash to land someone decent.


https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/484058869145292800

[DesignatedT]

Wow I call BS on that. I don't see Bosh taking a "huge" pay cut. Wade would have to cut salary by a ton if that was the case. Or maybe the Lebron wanting max is false.

[Steve-O-Matic]

Wow I call BS on that. I don't see Bosh taking a "huge" pay cut. Wade would have to cut salary by a ton if that was the case. Or maybe the Lebron wanting max is false.
It's not BS. It's already being reported that Bosh has agreed to a 5 year deal starting at $11M this season, and Wade to a 4 year deal starting at $12M this season.

[BatManu20]

Bosh and Wade would have to take massive pay cuts for that.. I thought Bosh wanted $12-15 million per?

[DesignatedT]

That contract must be somewhat backloaded for Bosh. Why he would agree to take less than Wade is beyond me.

[peacemaker885]

They are the ones who freak out, start pointless new threads, etc..

That's racism.

[BatManu20]

If that's the case, Miami will land a second-tier FA like Pau or Deng for sure tbh.

[Richie]

Bosh really shouldn't be taking a huge paycut. Unlike Wade he could still leave and earn max money on a contender, if he gets a similar figure to Wade he'll be getting hosed.

[Chinook]

Bosh and Wade would have to take massive pay cuts for that.. I thought Bosh wanted $12-15 million per?

The reported deal for Bosh is $64M/5. So that would be in line with what he wants. I imagine all three are getting no-trade clauses as well. But indeed, Bosh should get more than Wade.

[Richie]

It's not BS. It's already being reported that Bosh has agreed to a 5 year deal starting at $11M this season, and Wade to a 4 year deal starting at $12M this season.

Bosh would be insane to take such a tiny deal in his prime. He is so disrespected in Miami, gets all the blame when they lose and none of the credit when they win.

[Richie]

The reported deal for Bosh is $64M/5. So that would be in line with what he wants. I imagine all three are getting no-trade clauses as well. But indeed, Bosh should get more than Wade.

Giving up at least $40m, wow. I understand Wade taking a cut, he wouldn't get more elsewhere and needs to ride Lebrons coattails the rest of his career, but Bosh could go somewhere else and win titles. Really surprised he's giving up that much.

[Chinook]

Giving up at least $40m, wow. I understand Wade taking a cut, he wouldn't get more elsewhere and needs to ride Lebrons coattails the rest of his career, but Bosh could go somewhere else and win titles. Really surprised he's giving up that much.

I mean, the Spurs could make more than $11 Million in cap space without much struggle if they wanted to. Too bad he'd only take that deal to stay in South beach.

[Emperor]

With Wade's knees, and Bosh's lack of rebounding, it really don't matter who else they sign. They're not winning next year especially if they face the Spurs again.

[xmas1997]

With Wade's knees, and Bosh's lack of rebounding, it really don't matter who else they sign. They're not winning next year especially if they face the Spurs again.

I just hope another eastern team improves to the point of knocking them out of the playoffs. Chicago maybe?

[TheyCallMePro]

I'm sure Bosh, Wade and James got guarantees before they opted out of their current deals so they wouldn't lose a dime in the long run. Everyone is praising Bosh and Wade right now but I imagine they just wanted more years and more money over the course of their deals. And of course, that naturally helps the team, at least in the short run.

[Richie]

I just hope another eastern team improves to the point of knocking them out of the playoffs. Chicago maybe?

I don't. I'd much rather play last years Heat + Lowry/Deng/Pau than a Bulls team with Melo

[Emperor]

I just hope another eastern team improves to the point of knocking them out of the playoffs. Chicago maybe?

If Chicago can land Melo and Rose actually stays healthy, then absolutely.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

With Wade's knees, and Bosh's lack of rebounding, it really don't matter who else they sign. They're not winning next year especially if they face the Spurs again.

You always need to remember with these claims that unless Chicago with Rose and a stacked roster come back, they essentially get a bye into the Finals. Miami's second biggest avantage after LeBron is simply its latitudinal position.

[ernest787]

kinda shocked by how much of a pay cut they are both taking. They can resign Allen to lock up their back court and still go get at least one good FA or potentially a couple decent FA with that kind of money.

The team will be better next year when you couple that with signing a few guys to minimum deals that will sign just to play with those guys.

[xmas1997]

James will only take less than max if he signs with Miami, right?

[tholdren]

I just hope another eastern team improves to the point of knocking them out of the playoffs. Chicago maybe?
CHI/WASH/IND Miami, even with those three, will have their hands full getting to the finals.

[tmtcsc]

Terrific news for Miami. As I was watching them get their asses kicked, I couldn't help but think they could really use another overpaid chucker like Lowry to join the team. Lol, Miami isn't getting past us next year unless the Spurs don't bring everyone back. Wade is pretty bad now and Bosh isn't consistent. It will take a lot more to fix what ails them.

[DesignatedT]

I don't care what Miami does. More worried about who OKC talks into joining them.

[Andthentherewas21]

Jodie Meeks to DET for 3yr/19Mil per Woj. Could be an indication of the type of offer Mills could get.

[DesignatedT]

Mills won't get that much. Meeks had a great year and is a versatile scorer.

[spurraider21]

livingston can play. if he could hit 3's he'd be incredible

[FvckMavs]

Jodie Meeks to DET for 3yr/19Mil per Woj. Could be an indication of the type of offer Mills could get.

Wave goodbye to Mills if he gets that kind of offer.

[ChumpDumper]

Jodie Meeks to DET for 3yr/19Mil per Woj.Signed Cartier Martin to a one year deal too. thought he might be a realistic choice for a backup SF.

[Richie]

Mills won't get that much. Meeks had a great year and is a versatile scorer.

I'm not sure. I think Mills is every bit as good as Meeks, but in saying that there's no way Meeks is worth $18m/3yr. So in essence, I don't think Mills is worth that either.

[elemento]

Massive overpay for Meeks. Dude is worth 3m at best. Should we start to be worried about Mills new contract ? :lol

[Chinook]

I thought Detroit was in good hands.

[Richie]

I thought Detroit was in good hands.

I don't mind Meeks, he could be a decent role player, but they still have Jennings for 2 years at $8m per and Will Bynum. That's $17m committed to 3 very below average guards.

While it's not a great deal, it's not Dumars level of incompetence. He should never get a front office job again after giving Smith and Jennings a combined $43m over the next 2 years.

[look_at_g_shred]

3yrs/9mil seems about right for Mills.

[tholdren]

Jodie Meeks to DET for 3yr/19Mil per Woj. Could be an indication of the type of offer Mills could get.
dumb. Jodie Meeks career year was on a terrible team because their star was gone. 6million a year. jesus

[Mr. Body]

It's Detroit or some suck ass team every year that just wastes money on bullshit players.

Meanwhile, Miami's time horizon isn't just next year, it's several after that. Just outlast the Spurs.

[Maddog]

Massive overpay for Meeks. Dude is worth 3m at best. Should we start to be worried about Mills new contract ? :lol

Hard to know- it only takes one knucklehead. I suspect people might be a little wary of Mills because of the Spurs "system". He is basically a 6 foot shooting guard- and works well with the Spurs because they can have Manu or even Boris play the point are not rely on a traditional point. He might have a hard time replicating his success elsewhere and people may realize that.
However... It only takes one knucklehead

[Mugen]

That overpay for Meeks is bad news for the Spurs keeping both Mills/Diaw. Motherf'n Detroit tbh.

[Darkwaters]

I don't mind Meeks, he could be a decent role player, but they still have Jennings for 2 years at $8m per and Will Bynum. That's $17m committed to 3 very below average guards.

While it's not a great deal, it's not Dumars level of incompetence. He should never get a front office job again after giving Smith and Jennings a combined $43m over the next 2 years.

Jennings is absolutely one of my least favorite players in the league. Hes just a moron and a prick. Plus...hes terrible. Hes shoots 39% for his career. Not from 3....thats his overall FG percentage. And last season was even lower (37%). Terrible...just terrible.

[Darkwaters]

It's Detroit or some suck ass team every year that just wastes money on bullshit players.

Meanwhile, Miami's time horizon isn't just next year, it's several after that. Just outlast the Spurs.

....or just hope that Oklahoma City keeps Scott Brooks at the helm and is able to win the West.

[Mugen]

There's 2-3 teams that Spurfan needs to keep a tab on during the offseason and none of them play in the East tbh.

[cjw]

That overpay for Meeks is bad news for the Spurs keeping both Mills/Diaw. Motherf'n Detroit tbh.

Another way to look at it is it takes some cash out of the market. There's only a limited amount to go around and teams may be weary of focusing on Mills/Diaw given the likelihood of coming back to Spurs barring a crazy offer. Detroit knew Meeks wasn't likely headed back to LA.

I do worry about the rumors of Diaw to Portland (Batum?) but what can they really do to have the money?

[Ice009]

That overpay for Meeks is bad news for the Spurs keeping both Mills/Diaw. Motherf'n Detroit tbh.

As usual dumb owners and teams overpaying.

The top Superstars are underpaid as they rake in a lot of money for their team's owners, yet the average players get overpaid.

The players got screwed over in the last CBA, but the owners are the ones that are the real idiots for continuously overpaying average players. They can't save them from themselves.

I agree with one of the people a week or so ago that said what Kobe is getting paid is fair, as he's made the Lakers record profits and put a lot of money in the team's pockets than before he arrived there. What he's getting isn't really that much in comparison to what the owners have made off of him. he might not worth it now, but over the long run he made them way more money than he got from them.

The owners want to bring the salaries down even more so they can keep even more of the profit, yet the idiots keep overpaying for lower level players and keep crying that the players are making too much money. They're the idiots giving out the contracts. The players aren't forcing them to give out those contracts. The top few Superstars in the NBA keep lining their own team's pockets and aren't really getting anywhere near what they are making for their teams. When I say Superstars I'm only talking about guys like Lebron, the top two or three players in the league.

[Mel_13]

That overpay for Meeks is bad news for the Spurs keeping both Mills/Diaw. Motherf'n Detroit tbh.

I don't see it. Unless you believe that stupidity is contagious.

In fact, if most teams agree with Detroit and rate Meeks higher than Mills, then the news can even be seen as a positive.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs have a culture of winning. Mills might chase money but I believe diaw would stick around. We shall see if someone throws a huge sum his way and what's more important

[Mugen]

I don't see it. Unless you believe that stupidity is contagious.

In fact, if most teams agree with Detroit and rate Meeks higher than Mills, then the news can even be seen as a positive.

Eh, I didn't think a SVG led FO would make this kind of offer for a player playing on a terrible team with zero incentive except individual numbers.

I'm not saying RC gives a similar contract to Patty. But if I'm Mills/Diaw and see this type of contract, I've got a few more bargaining chips compared to before.

[Mel_13]

Eh, I didn't think a SVG led FO would make this kind of offer for a player playing on a terrible team with zero incentive except individual numbers.

I'm not saying RC gives a similar contract to Patty. But if I'm Mills/Diaw and see this type of contract, I've got a few more bargaining chips compared to before.

I understand what you're saying, I just see it otherwise.

I don't see how SVG's overpay affect's the bargaining position of Boris or Patty. It doesn't mean that there's anyone else out there willing to overpay either of those guys. Especially Boris. As I look at it, the only team that's a threat to offer Boris a deal in excess of the MLE is Phoenix. If they bring back Frye or sign Hawes, then that threat goes away, IMO.

Patty is different. An MLE-sized offer can come from many different places and I'm not sure if the Spurs are willing to pay that much for a backup PG.

[Mugen]

I understand what you're saying, I just see it otherwise.

I don't see how SVG's overpay affect's the bargaining position of Boris or Patty. It doesn't mean that there's anyone else out there willing to overpay either of those guys. Especially Boris. As I look at it, the only team that's a threat to offer Boris a deal in excess of the MLE is Phoenix. If they bring back Frye or sign Hawes, then that threat goes away, IMO.

Patty is different. An MLE-sized offer can come from many different places and I'm not sure if the Spurs are willing to pay that much for a backup PG.

I don't think the deal had as much an impact on retaining Boris as it did on keeping Patty.

The Pistons overpaid for a shooter and my fear is that they might have set the market on those type of players. I don't see the Spurs giving Patty a similar deal to what Meeks got so I'm hoping he'll settle for less. Maybe other teams would have given Mills a similar deal regardless of what DET did (highly likely tbh) but it still peeves me to see the Pistons basically kick off the period with a blatant overpay.

[Mugen]

And yes, Mel, I do think that stupidity is contagious when we're talking about 80-90% of the front offices in the league tbh.

[Mel_13]

I don't think the deal had as much an impact on retaining Boris as it did on keeping Patty.

The Pistons overpaid for a shooter and my fear is that they might have set the market on those type of players. I don't see the Spurs giving Patty a similar deal to what Meeks got so I'm hoping he'll settle for less. Maybe other teams would have given Mills a similar deal regardless of what DET did (highly likely tbh) but it still peeves me to see the Pistons basically kick off the period with a blatant overpay.

Again, I understand what you're saying, but I don't see things the same way. The NBA free agent market isn't a rational market. The deal that Meeks got from doesn't set the market for what Team X offers shooter Y, IMO.

It can, however, embolden other players to hold out for something similar. The longer that Patty stays on the market, the more likely that the Spurs move on and sign someone else.

So, in that sense, I agree that this signing can have an effect on whether or not Patty remains a Spur

[Mel_13]

And yes, Mel, I do think that stupidity is contagious when we're talking about 80-90% of the front offices in the league tbh.

:lol

I can't make a persuasive case against that proposition.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)RFA Troy Daniels has suitors, including Mavs, Spurs, Grizzlies, Pelicans, league sources tell RealGM. Rockets want to re-sign playoff hero.

[Dex]

Hide ya kids, Hide ya wife, cuz Spurs just courtin' errybody up in here.

[ace3g]

Brian WindhorstVerified account ‏@WindhorstESPN (https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN) That's right, Tony Parker makes $12.5 million. Keep that number in mind when reacting to what Dwyane Wade signs for this week.

Brian WindhorstVerified account ‏@WindhorstESPN (https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN)
Other players who got their deals guaranteed today: Tony Parker (12.5M), Jamal Crawford (5.4M) Tyler Hansbrough (3.3M)

[Mugen]

I'd like Daniels if the Spurs weren't so staaaaaaaaaacked tbh

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Marcin Gortat has agreed to a five year, $60 million contract extension with Washington, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[DesignatedT]

Wow

[Spurs da champs]

I'd like Daniels if the Spurs weren't so staaaaaaaaaacked tbh
He's another Fisher type player, except with a better shot. He'd be awesome.

[DesignatedT]

Splitters 4/36 looking good compared to 31 yo Gortat

[Spurs da champs]

Splitters 4/36 looking good compared to 31 yo Gortat
A 13 month difference in age man. I do agree tho that's a lot for Gortat, tho he did play well for the Wiz...

[Vic Petro]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Marcin Gortat has agreed to a five year, $60 million contract extension with Washington, league source tells Yahoo Sports.


:cry But Splitter is overpaid!!! :cry

[DesignatedT]

A 13 month difference in age man. I do agree tho that's a lot for Gortat, tho he did play well for the Wiz...

The point is Splitter was 28 when he signed his deal making him 32 when it's up. Gortat is 31 making him 36 when his is up. So actually it's quite a big difference.

[Seventyniner]

The point is Splitter was 28 when he signed his deal making him 32 when it's up. Gortat is 31 making him 36 when his is up. So actually it's quite a big difference.

Yup, that Gortat contract is going to look terrible in 2-3 years.

But that's what it took to keep him away from Miami or another team. The Wiz need Gortat more than Gortat needs the Wiz.

[Dverde]

No way Gortat is in Washington for that last year...they are trading that turd year for something.

[G-Dawgg]

Bonner is a choker. He hits 3 pointers all day with his eyes closed during the regular season but as soon as playoffs start, he misses almost ever wide open 3 he gets.. At least Rashard Lewis hits his 3's...

[TheGoldStandard]

Gortat deal is just stupid but that's Washingtons mentality, lets pay him so nobody else gets him.

[Spurs da champs]

The point is Splitter was 28 when he signed his deal making him 32 when it's up. Gortat is 31 making him 36 when his is up. So actually it's quite a big difference.
You're right.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Golden State has reached an agreement with Nets free agent guard Shaun Livingston, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Livingston's deal with Warriors will be for three years, with a partial guarantee in final season, league source tells Yahoo.

[elemento]

There goes the ST favorite :lol

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Golden State's verbal agreement with Shaun Livingston is a three-year deal for the full midlevel every year, ESPN has learned.

[benefactor]

Wow...full MLE for Livingston? :lol CBA

[crc21209]

Damn, there goes Livingston. Would've liked him here to pair another ball handler/slasher to come off the bench with Manu.

[Mugen]

So the Livingston deal is 3yr/16mil? That's about in line with what I expect Patty to get this offseason tbh.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent Pau Gasol had a phone conversation with Miami president Pat Riley today, league source tells Yahoo Sports.


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Does Pau even defense? tbh

[TheGoldStandard]

So far no real shockers, people overpaying but that's to be expected. All these teams create space as if they are going to have some great pickup in the offseason and when they examine who is available and what they are logically get they end up just throwing that money down the drain.