Official 2014 Free Agency Thread

[DPG21920]

Also, how complicated is that?

HOU has no cap space. Once the offer sheet time expired & with Ariza S&T which keeps them over the cap. So if the NBA agrees, would everything reset back to Parsons cap hold then HOU could do a S&T into Dallas's cap space, then after that do the S&T for Ariza in the trade?

[DPG21920]

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[Obstructed_View]

If the NBA allows that, then it completely fucking defeats the purpose of having the rule.

[Mel_13]

Also, how complicated is that?

HOU has no cap space. Once the offer sheet time expired & with Ariza S&T which keeps them over the cap. So if the NBA agrees, would everything reset back to Parsons cap hold then HOU could do a S&T into Dallas's cap space, then after that do the S&T for Ariza in the trade?

Even more complicated is that this would have to be accounted for:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

[DPG21920]

Even more complicated is that this would have to be accounted for:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

:lol Wow.

[FireMicoHalili]

Anyone have anyone in mind for February's buy-out market?

[Mel_13]

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[Mel_13]

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[xmas1997]

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Where the hell is Chicago getting all this cap room to sign people?

[montgod]

Surprised Jameer Nelson and Augustin are still available.

[Mel_13]

Where the hell is Chicago getting all this cap room to sign people?

Well, they didn't use cap room to sign Hinrich. They'll get the cap room to sign Gasol and Mirotic by using the amnesty provision on Boozer. That report of a 6.5M first year salary for Gasol is looking like a pretty good estimate.

[elemento]

Surprised Jameer Nelson and Augustin are still available.U

Augustin not anymore. He is going to the Pistons.

[Mel_13]

Surprised Jameer Nelson and Augustin are still available.

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[manufan10]

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[DPG21920]

Detroit brings in Josh Smith to pair with Monroe/Drummond. Then bring in Meeks/Augustin/Caron Butler. Wonder what Butler will make?

[cd021]

Detriots been very aggressive with Meeks, Butler and Augustine. Looking to make playoffs, which is pretty realistic in the east.

[DPG21920]

Yikes - 2/9 for Caron (hopefully it's a team option in year 2 or not guaranteed). That is 34M for Meeks/Caron/Augustin.

Or in individual year: 14M next year for those 3.

[Mel_13]

Yikes - 2/9 for Caron (hopefully it's a team option in year 2 or not guaranteed). That is 34M for Meeks/Caron/Augustin.

:wow

I assumed Butler would get the minimum. He's not even as good as RJ at this point.

[SpursFan86]

Yikes - 2/9 for Caron (hopefully it's a team option in year 2 or not guaranteed). That is 34M for Meeks/Caron/Augustin.

There is a team option for the 2nd year IIRC. Still though, $34 million for those 3 is brutal. I thought them getting rid of Dumars might help, but maybe not.

[cd021]

Its like Texas teams share player like crazy


Brent Barry-S.A. (2 stints) to Houston

Dejuan Blair-S.A. to Dallas

Mike Finley-Dallas to S.A

Drew Gooden-S.A. to Dallas

Richard Jefferson-S.A. to Dallas

Ian Mahinmi-S.A. to Dallas

Tracy McGrady-Houston to S.A

Steve Novak-Houston to S.A

[cd021]

:wow

I assumed Butler would get the minimum. He's not even as good as RJ at this point.

Maybe they need to reach the cap floor. Thats why the Magic have been handing out over-sized deals to Frye and Gordon.

[Chinook]

Detroit's gone plumb mad. The hell is Van Gundy doing?

[Mel_13]

Maybe they need to reach the cap floor. Thats why the Magic have been handing out over-sized deals to Frye and Gordon.

That should only be an issue if they weren't planning to keep Monroe.

[DPG21920]

I mean, the Augustin deal isn't too bad with how he played last year and it's short. Caron's is way too much, but at least it's effectively one year with the TO in Y2, but still.

If they don't keep Monroe, is Drummond/Smith/Caron/Meeks/Jennings with a bench of Augustin/Bynum/Jerebko/Singler/Pope a playoff team even in the East?

[DPG21920]

Maybe they need to reach the cap floor. Thats why the Magic have been handing out over-sized deals to Frye and Gordon.

That cap floor is such a non-issue. Worst case, for that one year, whatever you are below the floor, you just pay evenly out to the guys on your roster.

[DPG21920]

So DET still has 10M in cap space after those moves (even with Monroe's cap hold of 5M) and they could have 15M if they renounce Monroe.

[Robz4000]

I mean, the Augustin deal isn't too bad with how he played last year and it's short. Caron's is way too much, but at least it's effectively one year with the TO in Y2, but still.

If they don't keep Monroe, is Drummond/Smith/Caron/Meeks/Jennings with a bench of Augustin/Bynum/Jerebko/Singler/Pope a playoff team even in the East?

Might be tbh. Don't underestimate how bad the East is. Helps that Van Gundy is coaching; while not an elite coach he's better than most EC coaches.

[Chinook]

The Pistons are probably desperate to move Jennings to have space for all their perimeter players. Paging Morey and that TE.

[DPG21920]

Might be tbh. Don't underestimate how bad the East is. Helps that Van Gundy is coaching; while not an elite coach he's better than most EC coaches.

Well, let's say the coaching nets them 10 more wins (which is generous IMO) that puts them in the hunt for an 8th seed. However, it doesn't seem like their team improved with their moves (especially if they don't land anyone else and lose Monroe). We will see. They still have plenty cap space and flexibility.

[DPG21920]

The Pistons are probably desperate to move Jennings to have space for all their perimeter players. Paging Morey and that TE.

Who do they have that you think they want to pay to keep and build around?

[Chinook]

Who do they have that you think they want to pay to keep and build around?

The biggest one is KCP, but they also have Bynum, Silva, and Singler under contract. So that makes eight notable perimeter players under contract with these new signings. While that's not too many in a bubble, Van Gundy making so many signings implies he's going to make some changes.

[Jdspur20]

question on Parsons, couldn't the Mavs have offered him that offer sheet prior to the 10th since he was a RFA?

[DPG21920]

question on Parsons, couldn't the Mavs have offered him that offer sheet prior to the 10th since he was a RFA?

Whether you are a RFA or UFA, all free agents are subject to the moratorium. No FA could formally sign anything until 7/10.

[MeloHype]

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[Jdspur20]

Whether you are a RFA or UFA, all free agents are subject to the moratorium. No FA could formally sign anything until 7/10.

but isnt the offer sheet just the agreement then they sign the actual contract on or after the signing date? i was listening to Goeff Sheen on 760 last week saying something about not giving cuban any credit since cuban could have offered this in the prior days.

[anakha]

If Blair can't get what he feels he's worth under Cuban and Carlisle, who is he going to be able to convince to pay him?

E: wait, I take that back. While GMs like Billy King exist, there's always the chance Blair gets the payday he's looking for. :lol


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Guess that answers my question. :lol

[Mel_13]

but isnt the offer sheet just the agreement then they sign the actual contract on or after the signing date? i was listening to Goeff Sheen on 760 last week saying something about not giving cuban any credit since cuban could have offered this in the prior days.

1. Sheen's not exactly an expert.

2. They agreed on the deal before the end of the moratorium. What difference would it have made if they had reached the agreement on the 6th instead of the 9th?

[Ron Swanson]

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Whatablair and Pierce? Oh shit.

[Mel_13]

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IIRC, the Spurs were trying to work an S&T of Blair to the Wizards last summer. Didn't work out and he signed with Dallas.

[Jdspur20]

1. Sheen's not exactly an expert.

2. They agreed on the deal before the end of the moratorium. What difference would it have made if they had reached the agreement on the 6th instead of the 9th?

i guess my question is then would it have put more pressure on Houston to make a decision sooner rather than later?

thanks for the clarity.

[Mel_13]

i guess my question is then would it have put more pressure on Houston to make a decision sooner rather than later?

thanks for the clarity.

No. By the rules, Houston had 72 hours from the time the offer was submitted to make a decision. Dallas submitted the offer at the end of the first day possible, presumably to take the opportunity to see if a trade could be agreed upon.

[Obstructed_View]

Guess that answers my question. :lol

Yeah, nice call. Thought of your post when I saw this hit. :lol

[Mel_13]

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[montgod]

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So Gibson goes to bench in crunch time? Still don't get why Bulls went after him with their current personnel. At 34 he isnt going to be that guy to totally depend on to get scores and defense in crunch time. At least not at the expense of Noah or Gibson on bench.

[Mel_13]

So Gibson goes to bench in crunch time? Still don't get why Bulls went after him with their current personnel. At 34 he isnt going to be that guy to totally depend on to get scores and defense in crunch time. At least not at the expense of Noah or Gibson on bench.

Thibs left Boozer on the bench in crunch time, he'll do the same with Pau if it gives him the best chance to win.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Kind of glad the Spurs didn't get him if they are able to bring Marion abroad.

[ElNono]

Somebody downstairs now reporting that the Rockets have decided to match Parson's offer sheet after all... anybody heard anything?

[kjhip1]

Washington looks to be in a good position out in the East..Blair making the NBA rounds

[TheGreatYacht]

Thibs left Boozer on the bench in crunch time, he'll do the same with Pau if it gives him the best chance to win.
Isn't boozer going to be amnestied? Gasol's contract is more than the MLE..

[kjhip1]

Somebody downstairs now reporting that the Rockets have decided to match Parson's offer sheet after all... anybody heard anything?

cant find anything on the interwebs..i call BS

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Somebody downstairs now reporting that the Rockets have decided to match Parson's offer sheet after all... anybody heard anything?

Nothing on any of the major sport website. All still have Parson going to Mavs.

[ElNono]

cant find anything on the interwebs..i call BS

yea me neither

[Mel_13]

Isn't boozer going to be amnestied? Gasol's contract is more than the MLE..

It hasn't happened yet, but it will very soon. Only way to sign Pau and Mirotic.

[TheGreatYacht]

Somebody downstairs now reporting that the Rockets have decided to match Parson's offer sheet after all... anybody heard anything?
It's BS. Only thing I've heard is S&T talks that failed

[MeloHype]

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[kjhip1]

havent been up to speed with Gasol, how did the Bulls end up clearing money for him? amnesty Boozer?

[montgod]

Thibs left Boozer on the bench in crunch time, he'll do the same with Pau if it gives him the best chance to win.

Like I thought...another cheaper waste of money than Booze lol. Only thing worse than that is Spurs getting Booze to relive the Charles Smith memory (slow, defenseless, stagnant PF).

[Jimcs50]

Mavs land Parsons, Rockets are screwed. Gave up Lin for nothing. He was a huge loss when you consider they did not receive anything for him. Dude was offensive spark along with Parsons. They will score 6 pts less per game this year. Dallas will be our chief opposition now to win division.

[Seventyniner]

Thibs left Boozer on the bench in crunch time, he'll do the same with Pau if it gives him the best chance to win.

Pop would have done the same, so it's not like Pau's decision was about playing time.

[Mel_13]

Pop would have done the same, so it's not like Pau's decision was about playing time.

Well, he's likely to get more minutes in Chicago than he would have with the Spurs, plus he'll start there while he probably would have come off the bench in San Antonio.

[tholdren]

Like I thought...another cheaper waste of money than Booze lol. Only thing worse than that is Spurs getting Booze to relive the Charles Smith memory (slow, defenseless, stagnant PF).

Or the Antonio McDyess experiment. I really want SA to take chance on developing Baynes. Get Ayres out of town, maybe with Daye, but give Baynes all kinds of minutes in the RS. There is nothing to lose

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Or the Antonio McDyess experiment. I really want SA to take chance on developing Baynes. Get Ayres out of town, maybe with Daye, but give Baynes all kinds of minutes in the RS. There is nothing to lose

Except for basketball games.

[tholdren]

Well, he's likely to get more minutes in Chicago than he would have with the Spurs, plus he'll start there while he probably would have come off the bench in San Antonio.

I think the money and the bench all go back to ego, and the type of player we dont want. Pau is still living on his early LA career riding Kobe. Everyone saw what he couldnt do leading a team. I dont know why he feels like he is a superstar. He will give CHI a better post offense, but worse rebounding and defense. Virtually a Boozer who can pass....

[tholdren]

Except for basketball games.
Regular season basketball games.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Regular season basketball games.

Which equates to losing HC advantage in the Playoffs.

[tholdren]

Which equates to losing HC advantage in the Playoffs.

yes I forgot we were completely healthy and played our starters max minutes and didnt rest anyone the past few years to get HC. foolish me

[bigfan]

Jefferson to Mavs for vet minimum. Probably not a bad deal.

[TheCerebral1]

What the heck are the Bulls waiting for in using their Amnesty on Boozer. I just don't understand. You have three guys who are better suited in that team to take minutes and you're keeping salary on for no reason. Reinsdorf is a crazy person lol.

[Mel_13]

What the heck are the Bulls waiting for in using their Amnesty on Boozer. I just don't understand. You have three guys who are better suited in that team to take minutes and you're keeping salary on for no reason. Reinsdorf is a crazy person lol.

They're not going to lose those players. They have until July 16th to file the amnesty paperwork. In the meantime, they can still try to see if there's some team with cap space that may be willing to take Boozer off their hands. Not at all likely, but they risk absolutely nothing by trying.

[benefactor]

Casspi is going to be waived by the Pels, per Stein. Backup 3?

[ChumpDumper]

Casspi is going to be waived by the Pels, per Stein. Backup 3?If he clears waivers, sure -- but that's a decent contract if someone wants him.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Spurs have been interested in Casspi in the past he would be a nice fit...

[loveforthegame]

Would love Casspi but someone will get to him first.

[toki9]

Didn't Casspi want to get drafted by the Spurs?

[xmas1997]

Casspi is a 26 year old SF/PF. What is the knock against him?

[TheCerebral1]

Cassipi seems like an obvious buy low Belinelli clone like last year. Sign me up :)

[Ditty]

Rockets seemed to hate Cassipi, and claimed he would never pass. Probably wrong system for him in the first place, but I wouldn't mind him on the team.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't be shocked to see the Spurs go after him if he clears.

[Spurs da champs]

Casspi is straight trash & a racist...no thanks.

[toki9]

Casspi is straight trash & a racist...no thanks.

Racist? Where did you get that?

[Big P]

Magic just got Anthony Randolph in a trade for one of their foreigners and they are going to waive him....would his skill set fit here?

[FireMicoHalili]

Wondering why the Rockets didn't chase Monroe instead of settling for Ariza. They had the money and Ariza just ate up a huge chunk of that.

[Mel_13]

Magic just got Anthony Randolph in a trade for one of their foreigners and they are going to waive him....would his skill set fit here?

Not trying to be funny, but Randolph has been in the NBA for 6 years. Most of his minutes the last 4 seasons have been in garbage time.

What exactly is Anthony Randolph's skill set?

[Big P]

6 fouls?

[xmas1997]

Not trying to be funny, but Randolph has been in the NBA for 6 years. Most of his minutes the last 4 seasons have been in garbage time.

What exactly is Anthony Randolph's skill set?

He was the 14th pick of the 2008 draft by the Warriors. 24 year old 6'10" SF/PF who has played for 4 teams in the last 6 years and mostly garbage minutes.
He reminds me a little of Daye in that he has never lived up to his potential.

[Big P]

Isn't he a decent rebounder and shot blocker?

[xmas1997]

Isn't he a decent rebounder and shot blocker?

He was in his first two years in the league. Last year though he was down to 1/3 of those totals. Don't know if it was due to injury issues or what.

[DPG21920]

Man, details of Mills contract came out and very favorable! Less than the reported 12M for 3 years:

Year 1: 3.8
Year 2: 3.5
Year 3: 3.5
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Total: 10.8M~Fully guaranteed & no options.

[Malik Hairston]

Casspi is an absolutely awful player:lol..

Why do Spurs fans love scrubs, tbh?..Granger, Butler, Casspi, etc..

[ChumpDumper]

Casspi is an absolutely awful player:lol..

Why do Spurs fans love scrubs, tbh?..Granger, Butler, Casspi, etc..Eh, it's a longshot to sign a starting caliber player at this point.

[Malik Hairston]

Eh, it's a longshot to sign a starting caliber player at this point.

I'd rather the Spurs not sign anybody that will want playing time/more than the minimum, tbh..

Last year a bunch of Spurs fans were hoping Granger/Butler would sign and even take some of Kawhi and Green's minutes:lol..

[ChumpDumper]

I'd rather the Spurs not sign anybody that will want playing time/more than the minimum, tbh..That's an easy wish.

[ace3g]

Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel (https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel) Bucks are still shopping Ilyasova and, as an NBA official added "shopping him hard."

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Wrong thread

[CGD]

Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel (https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel) Bucks are still shopping Ilyasova and, as an NBA official added "shopping him hard."

Timing is never right with this guy. I recall there was interest in the past, but that's probably come and gone with the emergence of Boris. Contract isn't bad though.

[cd98]

If Spurs are smart, which they are, they won't spend that MLE. Most players seeking the MLE aren't worth it. All we need is to sign an adequate small forward to give some back up minutes and cut Daye. Leave a roster spot open and wait for a good player to get bought out of a bad contract and then out bid everyone for him with the MLE and the incentive of being a playoff team. If no good player pops up, just save the cap space for more flexibility in the future.

[cd98]

Timing is never right with this guy. I recall there was interest in the past, but that's probably come and gone with the emergence of Boris. Contract isn't bad though.

In Spurs system, I bet he'd shoot lights out. Funny they want to trade him bc Kidd allegedly loves him. Hard to trade him with his contract coupled with last season's performance. Just wait for buyout.

[CGD]

In Spurs system, I bet he'd shoot lights out. Funny they want to trade him bc Kidd allegedly loves him. Hard to trade him with his contract coupled with last season's performance. Just wait for buyout.

His contract is fair plus the last year is partially guaranteed which is nice. But like you allude to, spurs can't cobble together contracts to get him at 7m with asset they're willing to part with.

This is when I get annoyed that they didn't move Bonner's deal last year.

[Ice009]

If Spurs are smart, which they are, they won't spend that MLE. Most players seeking the MLE aren't worth it. All we need is to sign an adequate small forward to give some back up minutes and cut Daye. Leave a roster spot open and wait for a good player to get bought out of a bad contract and then out bid everyone for him with the MLE and the incentive of being a playoff team. If no good player pops up, just save the cap space for more flexibility in the future.

There's no reason why the Spurs can't sign someone to a 1 year MLE deal or a 2 year MLE with a Team Option on the second season. They can just tell the free agent that they want flexibility next off season or the season after. If there is someone they think can help us and it would take the MLE to get them, then just offer a 1 year or 2 year deal with a TO.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'd rather the Spurs not sign anybody that will want playing time/more than the minimum, tbh..

Last year a bunch of Spurs fans were hoping Granger/Butler would sign and even take some of Kawhi and Green's minutes:lol..
Who's the fun , outgoing woman in the avi?

[SpursFan86]

Who's the fun , outgoing woman in the avi?

:lol Mia Malkova

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol Mia Malkova
She's got a load of problems.

[xmas1997]

Eh, it's a longshot to sign a starting caliber player at this point.

This is the honest truth, I doubt I could say it better myself.
You have to wonder if the Spurs saw something worth salvaging in Ayers and Daye. Otherwise why waste so much time and money on them?
Because there are others out there now, and soon to be, that seem to the casual observer to be worth more.

[Seventyniner]

She's got a load of problems.

But a load ain't one.

[Jimcs50]

Why are we not trying to get Mike Miller?

[Robz4000]

Miller wouldn't come here; too much history. It'd be like Jason Terry joining the Spurs.

[100%duncan]

6 fouls?

:lol

[Henrik Sedin]

Why are we not trying to get Mike Miller?

He's old, he can't move, and he's a shooting guard..

[Mel_13]

Diaw signing announced by Spurs:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-re-sign-boris-diaw

[Dex]

Miller is gonna go try to bail out James some more in Cleveland anyways.

[Dex]

Diaw signing announced by Spurs:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-re-sign-boris-diaw

Eff yo club policy. Disclose the terms!

[FireMicoHalili]

Can we please have a thread for trade machine scenarios involving Ayres

[ironman2886]

Can we please have a thread for trade machine scenarios involving Ayres
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-39837-chuck-norris-thumbs-up-gif-Img-rG6n.gif

[kobyz]

Nola sign Salmons(maybe could have been an option for us for the minimum)...

[look_at_g_shred]

Can we please have a thread for trade machine scenarios involving Ayres
Trade machine- "Jeff Ayres not found"

dis nigga cannot be traded :lol

[SpursFan86]

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[BatManu20]

Boozer to Charlotte probably because MJ.

[dbestpro]

Boozer to Charlotte probably because MJ.

Bet he lands in Cleveland ....................:wow

[SpursFan86]

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Not sure why Atlanta is even interested. They already have Millsap/Horford/Brand/Payne. I wouldn't want Boozer taking any of those guys' minutes.

[SpursFan86]

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[TheGoldStandard]

Good signing by Cavs, Miller is a good bet off the bench and can hit shots with one shoe

[Chinook]

That's the room exception, I think.

[TheGoldStandard]

Miller will bury Chicago or Indy in the playoffs with some clutch 3's

[crc21209]

Damn Miller took a serious paycut to hang on LeBron's nuts in Cleveland. I'm pretty sure he could've gotten paid way more somewhere else. Oh well, as long as he stays out of the West, especially off of OKC. I'd rather OKC have Morrow than Miller. Miller has shown he has the balls to hit clutch time shots when it counts, while Morrow hasn't even ever been there. Now look for Cleveland to land another LeBron nut-hugger like Ray Allen or James Jones next..

[Clipper Nation]

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Not sure why Atlanta is even interested. They already have Millsap/Horford/Brand/Payne. I wouldn't want Boozer taking any of those guys' minutes.
They must be concerned about Horford's ability to stay healthy, tbh....

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Free agent forward Rashard Lewis has agreed to a one-year deal with the Mavericks, his agent Colin Bryant told Yahoo Sports.

[TheGoldStandard]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Free agent forward Rashard Lewis has agreed to a one-year deal with the Mavericks, his agent Colin Bryant told Yahoo Sports.



Mavs really loading up on old vets with one trick skills

[Robz4000]

:lol Mavs

[LakerHater]

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[SpursFan86]

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[Chinook]

Mavs making some smart moves, but it's moot unless they find a good PG.

[TheGoldStandard]

Mavs making some smart moves, but it's moot unless they find a good PG.

Felton switched to turkey burgers

[LakerHater]

Mavs Team will have terrible D this season!

[Robz4000]

Mavs Team will have terrible D this season!

Their D was awful last year yet they made the Spurs work in the playoffs. This year they'll match up a bit better with more talent on the roster.

[Chinook]

Their D was awful last year yet they made the Spurs work in the playoffs. This year they'll match up a bit better with more talent on the roster.

Pop's foolishness with his defensive gameplan is what made that series close.

[Robz4000]

Pop's foolishness with his defensive gameplan is what made that series close.

I agree, but RC also coached a hell of a series and stagnated a high-powered Spurs offense. This year he'll have more talented (albeit younger) pieces. Comes down to Chandler tho; if he really is done the Mavs are fucked.

[hsxvvd]

Lance Stephenson 3yrs $27mil.

Kemba and Stephenson... some swagger in that backcourt.

[anakha]

If Charlotte is able to pick up Boozer as was speculated before, that's not too bad a starting five they have on paper. Might make some noise in the East.

Walker-Stephenson-Henderson-Boozer-Jefferson

[xmas1997]

Stephenson now on that team?
His talent is undeniable, but his locker room presence?
I guess we will see how far they go, but as you say they look good on paper, but how far that translates to the real world on the court will be something interesting to watch.

[Mel_13]

Good snapshot of 2014 free agency today:

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/7960

[Mel_13]

Free agent Anthony Tolliver has reached agreement on a two-year, $6 million contract with the Phoenix Suns, league sources told RealGM.

His agent, Larry Fox, confirmed the deal on Tuesday night.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234324/Anthony-Tolliver-Reaches-Two-Year-$6M-Deal-With-Suns

[kobyz]

Free agent Anthony Tolliver has reached agreement on a two-year, $6 million contract with the Phoenix Suns, league sources told RealGM.

His agent, Larry Fox, confirmed the deal on Tuesday night.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234324/Anthony-Tolliver-Reaches-Two-Year-$6M-Deal-With-Suns

gets more than Bonner, anakha will be mad!

[anakha]

gets more than Bonner, anakha will be mad!

Still butthurt after all this time. :lmao

Still can't get over the shame of claiming Tolliver was better and getting proven statistically wrong. :lmao

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

gets more than Bonner, anakha will be mad!

Wouldn't that have the opposite reaction being that the Spurs got Bonner at a discount and the Suns, after losing Frye, had to overpay to get Tolliver.

Assessment of stupidity can be relative, you know. In most cases, it's actual.

[kobyz]

Wouldn't that have the opposite reaction being that the Spurs got Bonner at a discount and the Suns, after losing Frye, had to overpay to get Tolliver.

Assessment of stupidity can be relative, you know. In most cases, it's actual.

anakha is not a Spurs fan, he is a Bonner fan!
and you tell me Bonner gave us discount?

[kobyz]

Still butthurt after all this time. :lmao

Still can't get over the shame of claiming Tolliver was better and getting proven statistically wrong. :lmao

that contract prove otherwise...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

anakha is not a Spurs fan, he is a Bonner fan!

And you're a Spurs fan who is a Pierce and Bazemore fan as well. Shit happens.

[anakha]

anakha is not a Spurs fan, he is a Bonner fan!

Still so bitter over getting owned regarding Tolliver. :lmao

And now bitching and whining because tspence is better liked than he is. :lmao

[anakha]

that contract prove otherwise...

Equating contract value to being a better player.

Your grasping at straws is getting even more pathetic. :lol

[kobyz]

Equating contract value to being a better player.

Your grasping at straws is getting even more pathetic. :lol

right now Tolliver the better player, nobody will give Bonner more than the min...

[anakha]

right now Tolliver the better player, nobody will give Bonner more than the min...

Moving the goalposts now, are we?

Still doesn't change the fact you made a claim without any factual basis and got exposed for the moron you are. :lmao

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3276/anthony-tolliver
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1996/matt-bonner

Matty for the win by the hair of his chinny chin chin.

[kobyz]

Moving the goalposts now, are we?

Still doesn't change the fact you made a claim without any factual basis and got exposed for the moron you are. :lmao

the fact is i was right and it's the only thing that matter, stop messing things up to try cover your fail...

[xmas1997]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3276/anthony-tolliver
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1996/matt-bonner

Matty for the win by the hair of his chinny chin chin.

:lol
I think we all knew this ......................................... well, almost all of us. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Rather have Bonner at the discount, because then nobody feels any financial pressure to play him. Looking forward to another season where he plays less than 700 minutes.

[kobyz]

:lol
I think we all knew this ......................................... well, almost all of us. :lol

well... the argument was only about the last season...

[xmas1997]

Still can't get over the shame of claiming Tolliver was better and getting proven statistically wrong.

This statement pretty much encapsulates it.

[CGD]

NOLA is gonna mess it up with Davis. They just signed the same player they paid top dollar for last summer. wTF

[anakha]

the fact is i was right and it's the only thing that matter, stop messing things up to try cover your fail...

Claiming victory because you couldn't back up your bullshit claim and only have contract amounts to fall back on. :lmao

No wonder tspence is better liked - at least his shit is entertaining.

[kobyz]

Claiming victory because you couldn't back up your bullshit claim and only have contract amounts to fall back on. :lmao

No wonder tspence is better liked - at least his shit is entertaining.

really telling alot about yourself if you entertain by his dumbfuck shit!!!

[Obstructed_View]

NOLA is gonna mess it up with Davis. They just signed the same player they paid top dollar for last summer. wTF

What are you talking about? I have a feeling it's much more interesting than this whole Bonner-Tolliver slapfight.

[Malik Hairston]

NOLA is gonna mess it up with Davis. They just signed the same player they paid top dollar for last summer. wTF

You confusing Charlotte and New Orleans? Seems to happen very often with fans since the name change:lol..

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Kobyz wet dream


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=397KGshRNYI

[spurraider21]

You confusing Charlotte and New Orleans? Seems to happen very often with fans since the name change:lol..
true, when i say hornets im still thinking of the current pelicans. always have to double take

[look_at_g_shred]

Nice signing for the Suns!

[CGD]

You confusing Charlotte and New Orleans? Seems to happen very often with fans since the name change:lol..

Lol. Guilty as charged.

[Mel_13]

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[cd021]

You confusing Charlotte and New Orleans? Seems to happen very often with fans since the name change:lol..

I keep doing that ,its getting annoying.

[TheGoldStandard]

489451630950371328

Cleveland is becoming Miami north

[SpurPadre]

Mr. Whataburger Blair has been picked up by the Wizards via sign and trade.

[crc21209]

I called it the page before this, the Cavs would pick up another LeBron nuthugger in Allen or James Jones, and sure enough...James Jones signed today :lol

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Mr. Whataburger Blair has been picked up by the Wizards via sign and trade.

I called this last year.

[kobyz]

Mr. Whataburger Blair has been picked up by the Wizards via sign and trade.

Didn't we almost traded him to the wizards couple of years ago?

[ironman2886]

Vince carter, Jose Calderon, and Dejuan Blair(Spurs killers), gone. :lol

[ducks]

will blair go off on dallas

[Splits]

Blair in DC means they've got no need for Seraphin. Bet he ends up with LA2

[ace3g]

Sam Amick @sam_amick
(https://twitter.com/sam_amick)Rodney Stuckey has agreed to join the Indiana Pacers on a one-year deal, @USATODAYsports (https://twitter.com/USATODAYsports/) has learned. Nice pickup after losing Stephenson.

SInow (https://twitter.com/SInow): @OrlandoMagic (https://twitter.com/OrlandoMagic) finalizing contract with Luke Ridnour http://on.si.com/1oIPmXF (http://t.co/an2JpWafaY)

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BstNPl8CEAAUa4C.jpg:large

[eDizzle20]

Any word on Emeka Okafor's health? He's always been a solid defender and rebounder.

[TheGoldStandard]

Any word on Emeka Okafor's health? He's always been a solid defender and rebounder.

Remains to be seen, he hasn't played in a while, had the herniated disk in his neck but doubt he's going to be an effective big with his constant injuries

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent forward Ed Davis has reached agreement on a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, league source tells Yahoo.

[TheGoldStandard]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent forward Ed Davis has reached agreement on a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, league source tells Yahoo.



Well at least they got that one right

[DesignatedT]

Looks the almost everyone has given up on Davis. Big red flag. Deal is only 2 years for 2M with an option on year two.

[anakha]

Hmm, is there something regarding Davis that I'm missing out on? That seems almost criminally low.

[DesignatedT]

Lazy, Dumb, No effort.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Hmm, is there something regarding Davis that I'm missing out on? That seems almost criminally low.
Grizzlies fans say that he's not a smart player.

[DPG21920]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent forward Ed Davis has reached agreement on a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, league source tells Yahoo.



Damn - that is an amazing deal. 2 years, 2M for Ed Davis?? Spurs should have jumped all over that.

[TE]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BstNPl8CEAAUa4C.jpg:large
lol

[guilhermercf]

Kevin Seraphin anyone?

[MANUNG-Ginobili]

what a steal by the Lakers, too bad the Spurs didn't even bother with this guy..he was pretty good when he was still in Toronto, don't why he can't get enough minutes when he was traded to Memphis..

[LakerHater]

Kevin Seraphin anyone?

WoW, wonder why Spurs dont giv him a workout

[palangi]

WoW, wonder why Spurs dont giv him a workout
Isn't he a restricted free agent.

[Splits]

Isn't he a restricted free agent.

Yeah but Wiz signed Blair so have no need for him now. Doubt the Spurs go after him with no roster spots, but could be a nice pickup for Phoenix or the Bulls.

[crc21209]

Sam Amick @sam_amick
(https://twitter.com/sam_amick)Rodney Stuckey has agreed to join the Indiana Pacers on a one-year deal, @USATODAYsports (https://twitter.com/USATODAYsports/) has learned. Nice pickup after losing Stephenson.

SInow (https://twitter.com/SInow): @OrlandoMagic (https://twitter.com/OrlandoMagic) finalizing contract with Luke Ridnour http://on.si.com/1oIPmXF (http://t.co/an2JpWafaY)




Damn good pickup for the Pacers. Would've been intriguing to see what they couldve done if they kept Stephenson AND added Stuckey as well..

[MaNu4Tres]

Damn good pickup for the Pacers. Would've been intriguing to see what they couldve done if they kept Stephenson AND added Stuckey as well..

Don't think Stephenson and Stuckey could have co-existed given the personnel/roster. Not enough minutes to go around if you factor in the signing of C.J Miles (SG) and Rudez (SF).

With Pacers and Stephenson, it was best for both sides to go separate ways and I like how Pacers have rebounded given their financial circumstances. C.J Miles and Stuckey tied for only 5 million for 14'-15' is a steal --best value of this free agency period.

[DPG21920]

Stuckey is a pretty big downgrade to Lance. He's not the ball handler/passer that Lance is and he can't shoot. Having said that, for his overall ability it's a good signing.

[SpursFan86]

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[Andthentherewas21]

489856840298409984

That didn't take long. Don't think the Cavs stuck with the "we're not trading Wiggins" line for even a week

[cd98]

Wiggins will be a superstar and Cavs will regret that trade.

[cd98]

On the Spurs front, why not sign Jimmer to a minimum. He's a free agent that no one is talking about. He can't guard anyone, but he's a great shooter. He could have an impact similar to Mills. Both are great spot up and pull up shooters. Mills has a little more foot speed, but Jimmer can pass and work the pick and roll better. Neither can play much defense, though Mills can pressure the ball. For a minimum amount of money, not sure why the Spurs don't give it a try, at least until Mills comes back. Not sure what Jimmer wants, but with no interest, I'm thinking he comes cheap.

[Baam]

On the Spurs front, why not sign Jimmer to a minimum. He's a free agent that no one is talking about. He can't guard anyone, but he's a great shooter. He could have an impact similar to Mills. Both are great spot up and pull up shooters. Mills has a little more foot speed, but Jimmer can pass and work the pick and roll better. Neither can play much defense, though Mills can pressure the ball. For a minimum amount of money, not sure why the Spurs don't give it a try, at least until Mills comes back. Not sure what Jimmer wants, but with no interest, I'm thinking he comes cheap.

The reason they cant sign him is Beli the defensive black hole, if you put another minus defender next to him it would get pretty scary... That'd be like playing Love next to Bargnani or something...

[Cloud786]

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[SpursFan86]

Wiggins will be a superstar and Cavs will regret that trade.

Love already is a superstar and he's only 25.

[cd98]

The reason they cant sign him is Beli the defensive black hole, if you put another minus defender next to him it would get pretty scary... That'd be like playing Love next to Bargnani or something...

Mills is a bad defender, and that didn't stop him from playing with Beli. They just outscored the other team.

[Richie]

Love is almost certainly leaving, if the TWolves can get Wiggins and Waiters they should do it. Throw in Tristan Thompson as a sweetener, and the Wolves are getting three young prospects for a free agent who will leave for nothing in a year.

[cd98]

Love already is a superstar and he's only 25.

Love has never been able to take his team to the next level and he's had an injury history. Wiggins could be a transformational player. He could be on a Lebronesque level within the next 3 years.

[rjv]

Love is almost certainly leaving, if the TWolves can get Wiggins and Waiters they should do it. Throw in Tristan Thompson as a sweetener, and the Wolves are getting three young prospects for a free agent who will leave for nothing in a year.

do these salaries match?

[rjv]

also, aren't the wolves looking to dump kevin martin?

[SpursFan86]

489898641633849344

If Hawks somehow managed to get Bledsoe (I believe they have the cap space to offer him the max), they'd be my favorites to come out of the East. That team would be seriously scary with Bledsoe.

[BatManu20]

489898641633849344

If Hawks somehow managed to get Bledsoe (I believe they have the cap space to offer him the max), they'd be my favorites to come out of the East. That team would be seriously scary with Bledsoe.

Saw that. Bledsoe is high off his ass if he thinks he's worth the max.

[elemento]

Bledsoe wants a 80m max contract :lol

[ducks]

Bledsoe wants a 80m max contract :lol
james agent

[BatManu20]

489988680829116416

[SpursFan86]

489989503361089536

Noooooo. Go to Cleveland, Kevin. Help the East out.

[TheGoldStandard]

489989503361089536

Noooooo. Go to Cleveland, Kevin. Help the East out.

If I were Timberwolves I'd take the Wiggins deal, higher ceiling potentially.

[SpursFan86]

If I were Timberwolves I'd take the Wiggins deal, higher ceiling potentially.

I agree. It's not like they're desperate to win now, so the fact that Klay is better at the moment really shouldn't be a big deal. It depends on what Cleveland/Golden State offer aside from Wiggins/Klay though. Maybe Golden State would be willing to throw in Barnes and a 1st or something. Who knows.

[Dverde]

I agree about wiggins over klay. GSW should have made that trrade the day they signed Livingston. Now it may cost them playing it slow handed.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'd take Wiggins, Waiters and Thompson if not Thompson a draft pick. Then try to tank it badly and get #1 and draft Jalil Okafor and find someone to take the Pekovic contract who are in need of a center.

Timberwolves:

PG: Rubio, Barrea
SG: Shved, Levine, Waiters
SF: Wiggins, Shabbaz, Brewer
PF: Thompson, Moute, Cunningham
C: (Okafor in 2015) Pekovic, Dieng

[BatManu20]

It's happening. Legit sources confirm it.

489953014682107905

489968841884053504

[Robz4000]

Need Broussard to confirm tbh. Or TSpence. Either works.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That'd be a good deal for both teams. If Wolves manage to somehow dump Martin too it'd be a homerun.

[anakha]

Need Broussard to confirm tbh. Or TSpence. Either works.

[Chinook]

The irony is that TSpence has already confirmed this. That is what has started all this.

[SpursFan86]

It's happening. Legit sources confirm it.

489953014682107905

489968841884053504

489995773849772033

:lmao

[SpursFan86]

BTW, the actual legit guy (Krawczynski) tweeted 2 hours ago that no talks have been had between Cavs/Wolves still. Tspence is the one making all this shit up :lol

[SpursFan86]

Sorry for the triple post, but I just saw that Ekpe Udoh is considering contenders and was going to sign with LAC before they re-signed Glen Davis. What would y'all think about getting Udoh if Baynes ends up going elsewhere?

[kobyz]

It's happening. Legit sources confirm it.

489953014682107905

489968841884053504

Fuck you! Stop ruin this thread and the forum in generall with this sorry ass stuff, stop keep giving attention to those faggot tweets trolls, it's not funny or anything and never was...

[Holden_Caulfield]

:lmao the legend of tspence continues

[cd021]

do these salaries match?

Wiggins is $4.5 million, Waiters is $4 million and Thompson is about $ 5.4 million that works for Love. $13.9 in salary. Love makes $15.7

If they were to include someone Brenden Haywood they could acquire Kevin Martin as well.

[Chinook]

Fuck you! Stop ruin this thread and the forum in generall with this sorry ass stuff, stop keep giving attention to those faggot tweets trolls, it's not funny or anything and never was...

A truth bomb from the most unlikely of sources.

[Chinook]

Wiggins is $4.5 million, Waiters is $4 million and Thompson is about $ 5.4 million that works for Love. $13.9 in salary. Love makes $15.7

If they were to include someone Brenden Haywood they could acquire Kevin Martin as well.

Wiggins doesn't count as salary.

[cd021]

Sorry for the triple post, but I just saw that Ekpe Udoh is considering contenders and was going to sign with LAC before they re-signed Glen Davis. What would y'all think about getting Udoh if Baynes ends up going elsewhere?

Haven't watched him play (his stats from this past year looks pretty bad though) but I'm hoping the Spurs either cut Baynes loose or move Ayers to open up a roster spot for a Small forward or another big man (Aminu, Marion or Okafor) not in love with the idea of a Baynes-Ayers-Bonner trio for another season (even if they are 4th, 5th & 6th in big man minutes)

[cd021]

Wiggins doesn't count as salary.

Because he hasn't signed his contract?

[Mel_13]

Because he hasn't signed his contract?

Yes. If they sign him, they have to wait 30 days to trade him.

[cd021]

I'd take Wiggins, Waiters and Thompson if not Thompson a draft pick. Then try to tank it badly and get #1 and draft Jalil Okafor and find someone to take the Pekovic contract who are in need of a center.

Timberwolves:

PG: Rubio, Barrea
SG: Shved, Levine, Waiters
SF: Wiggins, Shabbaz, Brewer
PF: Thompson, Moute, Cunningham
C: (Okafor in 2015) Pekovic, Dieng

Maybe move Pekovic to Phoenix. Needs a proven center, and has 3 picks (theirs, Minnys protected pick and Lakers top 5 protected pick) and or young prospects in Warren, Len, Goodwin.

[cd021]

Yes. If they sign him, they have to wait 30 days to trade him.

Got it. I had assumed that they already signed him. Thanks

[Seventyniner]

The irony is that TSpence has already confirmed this. That is what has started all this.

Only with TSpence does the speculation follow the confirmation.

[TheGoldStandard]

Maybe move Pekovic to Phoenix. Needs a proven center, and has 3 picks (theirs, Minnys protected pick and Lakers top 5 protected pick) and or young prospects in Warren, Len, Goodwin.

Load up on picks and have a young nucleus to teach, too bad Flip Saunders is there coach or that might actually be a positive. Thompson would bolt as soon as his 2 years are up and even though they'd have his bird rights I don't think they would want to pay so much for a guy who didn't want to play there. At least they can try to sell Wiggins on this being his franchise, lol...

[rjv]

Only with TSpence does the speculation follow the confirmation.

:lol

[Mel_13]

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[Mel_13]

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[spurraider21]

490192231865651200
thats a good deal. Henry looked much better than a minimum player, but i guess his injury issues scared teams

[TD 21]

The Warriors are fools if they don't surrender Thompson. The defensive concerns with Curry are lessened with Livingston signed. More importantly, they're not winning a championship as currently constituted. They most likely still wouldn't if they made this trade, but at least they'd have a sliver of a chance and they'd get out of having to overpay Thompson in a year's time.

If the Cavs are smart, they wait until the trade deadline, unless they get word that the Timberwolves are closing in on a trade. At that point, it's possible Bennett at least somewhat repairs his value and Saunders goes into panic mode and settles for him, Waiters and 2 1sts. If not and Wiggins still has to be surrendered, at least they'll have exhausted the possibility of pulling this off without surrendering him and they'll have a slightly better idea of what exactly it is they're giving up.

[Mel_13]

490266698281656321

Good decision by Seraphin. I have no idea why Washington didn't rescind the QO once they had signed Gooden and acquired Blair. Seraphin will cost more than those two combined.

[spurraider21]

never liked Seraphin, spurfan speaks highly of him during trade season

[TD 21]

490266698281656321

Good decision by Seraphin. I have no idea why Washington didn't rescind the QO once they had signed Gooden and acquired Blair. Seraphin will cost more than those two combined.

Classic case of not seeing the forest from the trees. Sure, he wouldn't have made up the money on the open market right now, but this is a big year for him, he needs consistent minutes and he's not going to get them now.

Should have pulled a Davis and signed a 2 year deal, with a p/o for the 2nd season, on a team where he had a chance to play a consistent 20 mpg. If he had a good season, he could have cashed in next off season.

For the Wizards, it doesn't push them into the tax and aside from possibly a depth wing, they're set, so they probably figured why not retain useful depth.

[Chinook]

490266698281656321

Good decision by Seraphin. I have no idea why Washington didn't rescind the QO once they had signed Gooden and acquired Blair. Seraphin will cost more than those two combined.

And he gets a de-facto no-trade clause. Not a bad deal at all.

[FireMicoHalili]

490266698281656321

Good decision by Seraphin. I have no idea why Washington didn't rescind the QO once they had signed Gooden and acquired Blair. Seraphin will cost more than those two combined.
But they have Humphries and Blair signed. I wonder how he gets PT this year. Or rather, how Blair gets PT.

[LakerHater]

NBA is fuckd now that Love is a Cav!!

[cd021]

The Warriors are fools if they don't surrender Thompson. The defensive concerns with Curry are lessened with Livingston signed. More importantly, they're not winning a championship as currently constituted. They most likely still wouldn't if they made this trade, but at least they'd have a sliver of a chance and they'd get out of having to overpay Thompson in a year's time.

If the Cavs are smart, they wait until the trade deadline, unless they get word that the Timberwolves are closing in on a trade. At that point, it's possible Bennett at least somewhat repairs his value and Saunders goes into panic mode and settles for him, Waiters and 2 1sts. If not and Wiggins still has to be surrendered, at least they'll have exhausted the possibility of pulling this off without surrendering him and they'll have a slightly better idea of what exactly it is they're giving up.

I think it depends on the cost. Moving Lee, Thompson and Barnes (unless Minny wants Thompson in place of Barnes) is a pretty high cost for a lateral move. Love is better than Lee but its no like Lee is a bad player. He is a good rebounder and passer and can put up 20 points without being the focal point of an offense. Barnes isn't that good but, i guess, still has potential. Green and Iggy make him expendable. Thompson is a two way player, that could probably be a top 10 scorer on a bad team right now.

If Minny is offering Love and Martin, then that's still not enough to make it worthwhile for GSW. Martin is a lesser version of Thompson, who is currently making more and is under contract for another season after next for $7+ million.

If its just Lee and Barnes (and maybe a future 1st rounder) for Love then thats a trade than makes sense for GSW. They get Love to pair with Curry in P&Rs, keep Thompson and have Livingston as a 6th man off the bench.

From what i've heard its probably going to be Bennett and Wiggins along with a first rounder next season for Love. If thats want Minny is willing to do ,then its better to get the deal done prior to training camp.