Official 2014 Free Agency Thread

[xmas1997]

Watch Houston go after Gasol now.

[Mel_13]

Deng/Gasol/Ariza?

Deng and Ariza both figure to profit from today's moves. Both are likely to be pursued by Miami and Dallas (assuming Houston matches Parsons).

[slick'81]

Well at least the Rockets still have cap space for next year. I bet they're glad they didn't do something stupid like let Parsons out of his contract early.

damn that decision bit them in the ass hard

[slick'81]

Yeah Dallas is hot on the trail of deng and Ariza with parsons likely to stay in htown

[spurraider21]

Well at least the Rockets still have cap space for next year. I bet they're glad they didn't do something stupid like let Parsons out of his contract early.
told you :lol

when u have a talented player on the cheap, you don't turn that shit down tbh

[Aztecfan03]

At least the 2nd seed, imo. People are forgetting how shitty the East really is.

they were 2nd seed with Lebron this year. I think they will fall at least a couple spots if Bosh stays.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

told you :lol

when u have a talented player on the cheap, you don't turn that shit down tbh

I said the same thing. Stupid move by Morey to not pick up a 2mil contract for Parson. Came back to bite him in the ass hard.

[Chinook]

Totally accepted! Thanks. I don't know if the FO thinks they need 4 point guards or they might have traded a guard for a guard, unless despite opinion at the time they actually liked the value they saw in Daye over any guard they could have gotten in return. And, they might like their chances at filling the 4th position from other avenues rather than a trade, at the time? Like now. Or, previously in the draft (although with hindsight we know this did not occur.)

I think one of Ayres or Baynes is likeliest to be gone, as the team does not need four centers. With Anderson at least starting his career as a wing, the PF spot is actually thin enough to protect Daye, provided Ayres' shot doesn't come back.

But, it still brings up the question I was getting at. If we keep up all this pursuit, someone isn't coming back. Baynes refuses his offer, they eat Daye's salary, Bonner doesn't return even for the minimum, or Cojo, Ayres, Belli, etc. is traded to open up a roster spot for Beverly, Cotton, Darius, or whoever. We're getting down to brass tacks. Mixing metaphors, the music's gonna stop and someone's not getting a chair on the title defense team.

There was a time not too long ago that the Spurs had five PGs on their roster (just last year, actually). I just can't imagine Pop rolling with just two healthy ones. Sure, Anderson, Diaw and especially Ginobili can handle the ball. But they can't play the position defensively. I think Bonner is on the outs now, but the team may well not match an offer sheet to Baynes or even cut Ayres.

[Spursfanfromafar]

So the Rockets basically trade Jeremy Lin, Omer Asik (whom they signed with cap space in 2012) and a 2015 first round pick for a 4-20, 2015 pick from the Pelicans and some cap space to possibly extend Chandler Parsons to an overpaid contract. Or to replace him with second/third tier FAs like Luol Deng (?) or Trevor Ariza (?)

Wow, Morey. And they called you "Dork Elvis".

[RD2191]

they were 2nd seed with Lebron this year. I think they will fall at least a couple spots if Bosh stays.
Pacers are a train-wreck, tbh. Heat coasted through the regular season, imo.

[davidbowie]

AHAHAHAHAHA fuck Houston!!!!!!!!!


Woooooo!!!!!

[littlecoyotecoin]

Cojo already knows the system and Pop trusts him, he isn't going anywhere yet, especially not until Patty comes back.

Yes, and even more, he is a complement to the other two point guards. Their weaknesses are his strengths. In that regard, he is a good fit, not just someone that knows the system and players, but he does give Pop a versatility tool to use that Tony and Patty can't provide. His scoring and play-making are lackluster, but if he had those skills, also, he wouldn't be making 2 million a year, and he might be playing for another team, or Patty might be.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Well at least the Rockets still have cap space for next year. I bet they're glad they didn't do something stupid like let Parsons out of his contract early.

Do you think that the Rockets still trade Asik to the Pelicans?

[Aztecfan03]

Deng/Gasol/Ariza?

I wonder how much space rockets would have after matching for parsons.

[Spursfanfromafar]

And one more thing..

The failure of the Rockets to land a "third star" shows how difficult it is to buy FAs and build a super-team. The Miami Heat were dealt a one-off.

[slick'81]

And one more thing..

The failure of the Rockets to land a "third star" shows how difficult it is to buy FAs and build a super-team. The Miami Heat were dealt a one-off.


Yup every one is trying to copy Miami and buy all stars but obviously it isn't that easy

[SpursFan86]

Y'all think Houston might target Pau now?

[Aztecfan03]

Pacers are a train-wreck, tbh. Heat coasted through the regular season, imo.

Wade will still sit out 30 games probably. Or play a lot less minutes each games.

[xmas1997]

Yes, even though they have Howard.
The question is would Gasol want to play with Howard again?

[Mel_13]

Houston still has about 48 hours to use that cap space before they match Parsons, but whatever they do is going to look puny compared to what they were aiming for.

[szkorhetz]

Yes, even though they have Howard.
The question is would Gasol want to play with Howard again?
I don't think so and I really hope this too.

[littlecoyotecoin]

That was a badass move.

Yes. Hilarious, and I usually don't care much for this stuff, but the gamesmanship is nice.

[tmtcsc]

Watch Houston go after Gasol now.

I'm sure Dwight Howard would love that! they played so well together in LA. :lol

[LakerHater]

So now Bosh is staying!

[SpursFan86]

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[szkorhetz]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 1 min
Free agent forward Jordan Hill has agreed to a two-year, $18M deal to return to the Los Angeles Lakers, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Yahoo.

Shit, that was close.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Meanwhile...your 2014-15 Lakers = 2013-14 Lakers + Jeremy Lin + Pissed Kobe :) (- Meeks, Kaman etc).

[Spursfanfromafar]

Also,

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[Mel_13]

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:wow

Running out of room for Pau. Still possible.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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Mitch is lining up everything for the 2016 FA. I see nothing but two year deals for hill, Young, and possibly Bazemore.

[szkorhetz]

:wow

Running out of room for Pau. Still possible.
Bird rights for Pau...

[Spursfanfromafar]

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Bledsoe leaving?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

:wow

Running out of room for Pau. Still possible.

And other reports have them coming to terms with Young. It looks like they will be renouncing him at this point.

[BatManu20]

Also excellent news, the Lakers have traded for Lin, re-signed Swaggy P, and re-signed Jordan Hill…

just enough moves to keep them a middle-of-the-road team and keep them out of the lottery :lol

[Spursfanfromafar]

Good value for the Suns. Nice contract for offensive minded little guard:

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[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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Bledsoe leaving?

Or Dragic is being traded to Pacers. Will soon find out.

[SpursFan86]

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[Mel_13]

Bird rights for Pau...

Not if Lin is traded into cap space. They have to renounce Pau or sign him to a new deal before they complete the trade. Either way, they're subject to the cap.

[BatManu20]

Suns are about to have a loaded backcourt. Dragic, Bledose, and Thomas.

[TD 21]

Barring a last-minute change, Pau Gasol will choose between Spurs and Bulls. Marca.com

[BatManu20]

Or Dragic is being traded to Pacers. Will soon find out.

That would make this day even more amazing if Dragic leaves the West for the Pacers. Don't see it happening though.

[Mel_13]

And other reports have them coming to terms with Young. It looks like they will be renouncing him at this point.

Looking more and more like he's leaving LA.

[szkorhetz]

Or Dragic is being traded to Pacers. Will soon find out.
I just can't see who could the Suns want from the Pacers roster.

[szkorhetz]

Not if Lin is traded into cap space. They have to renounce Pau or sign him to a new deal before they complete the trade. Either way, they're subject to the cap.
Sorry, Mate. Forget about the Lin trade.

[BatManu20]

Barring a last-minute change, Pau Gasol will choose between Spurs and Bulls. Marca.com

What is Marca.com? Doesn't sound like a reliable source.

[szkorhetz]

What is Marca.com? Doesn't sound like a reliable source.
The spanish ESPN.

[objective]

Isn't that a Spanish website?

[Mel_13]

What is Marca.com? Doesn't sound like a reliable source.

Major sports website from Spain. Probably a good source on a Spanish athlete.

[rjv]

isaiah thomas signs offer sheet with the suns for 4 years/28 mil.

[cd98]

Is the trade for Lin a sign and trade for Gasol? Or does Houston want to trade Lin even though Bosh deal is falling through?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

What is Marca.com? Doesn't sound like a reliable source.

Spanish news paper and they are a highly respected and don't report garbage or hearsay.

[BatManu20]

Major sports website from Spain. Probably a good source on a Spanish athlete.

Ah interesting. I think the Bulls still have to be considered the favorites though.

[BatManu20]

It's amazing how as soon as Lebron makes his announcement the Free Agency flood gates open.

[szkorhetz]

Is the trade for Lin a sign and trade for Gasol? Or does Houston want to trade Lin even though Bosh deal is falling through?
That's a good question. If the trade is not completed yet, it could turn to be a S&t.

[crc21209]

Down to the Spurs and Bulls huh? Interesting...

[Ditty]

:hungry:

[szkorhetz]

Sign and trade should be banned, TBH.

[Seventyniner]

The Heat can still snag a top 4 seed with this group. I wonder if the McBob and Granger signings were contingent on LeBron staying?

[RD2191]

:lolWe all know he's going to the Bulls, he has just as good a shot to make the Finals with the Bulls out East as with the Spurs out West. Plus more money and playing time. No brainer for Pau. Imo.

[benefactor]

I love this day.

[littlecoyotecoin]

There was a time not too long ago that the Spurs had five PGs on their roster (just last year, actually). I just can't imagine Pop rolling with just two healthy ones. Sure, Anderson, Diaw and especially Ginobili can handle the ball. But they can't play the position defensively. I think Bonner is on the outs now, but the team may well not match an offer sheet to Baynes or even cut Ayres.

I don't doubt you, that they had five, but I am not sure they were hoping to roll that way for any length of time. I am sure it can happen while you are in flux, evaluating, experimenting, looking for trades, having injury problems, and, as with Nando, even a fourth won't see much playing time. In regular situations 4 is just too deep at PG, IMO, simply from 4x5=20. If the point guards could play multiple positions, then that depth can be extended across those positions, but, personally, I don't prefer 4 of my guys to be 5'11"-6'3". I guess if the 4th and 5th are bigger combo 2 guards, then that solves the problem, and my issue with the idea is that our 1 and 2 point guards are on the small side, and 3 isn't a monster, and size is Bryce's major weakness, etc. So, situation specific, like anything else, I guess.

[szkorhetz]

:lolWe all know he's going to the Bulls, he has just as good a shot to make the Finals with the Bulls out East as with the Spurs out West. Plus more money and playing time. No brainer for Pau. Imo.
Same. They won't amnesty Boozer.

[SpursFan86]

Alright this whole time I haven't gotten my hopes up...but I'm starting to get a little nervous now regarding Pau

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lolWe all know he's going to the Bulls, he has just as good a shot to make the Finals with the Bulls out East as with the Spurs out West. Plus more money and playing time. No brainer for Pau. Imo.

No cap space. They would have to move Gibson and Boozer

[littlecoyotecoin]

Y'all think Houston might target Pau now?

Of course, they have to target someone!

[cjw]

Bird rights for Pau...

Lakers will be under the cap if they take Lin into cap space, so Bird rights only matter for max raises in deal in that case (7.5% a year)

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

No cap space. They would have to move Gibson and Boozer

And they already use their MLE.

[RD2191]

No cap space. They would have to move Gibson and Boozer
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[tmtcsc]

The Spurs have done well in FA today without lifting a finger.

[RD2191]

Head over to clutchfans though, the meltdown is epic.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Lakers will be under the cap if they take Lin into cap space, so Bird rights only matter for max raises in deal in that case (7.5% a year)

Pau's cap hold pushes them over the cap, so they cant take on Linn until they renounce Pau.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not sure the Kings know what the Kings are doing. Pretty amusing.

Letting go of your 2nd best player for roughly 7 mil per for 4 years? When he's young and has a lot of upside?

Then again for some reason I'm not shocked, its the Kings.

Suns signing Thomas has to mean they're listening to offers for Dragic. I guess they want to sell high w/ Goran via trade before his big pay day. I'd rather pay Dragic his money, tbh.

As for the Heat, they will be pretty dumb if they desperately shell out 10 plus mil per to Deng or Ariza.

They should have gone after Thomas for 8-9 mil per, or Eric Bledsoe. IMO.

[Chinook]

Do you think that the Rockets still trade Asik to the Pelicans?

Yes. That trade is gold for them. The Pelicans are fools for taking it.

[crc21209]

Watch the Heat nab Eric Bledsoe and one of Deng/Ariza now.

Bledsoe-Wade-Ariza/Deng-Bosh-Whoever is a pretty good starting 5 in the East..

[szkorhetz]

Yes. That trade is gold for them. The Pelicans are fools for taking it.
A 15 millions expiring can be turned into gold in February.

[SpursFan86]

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[Spursfanfromafar]

Yes. That trade is gold for them. The Pelicans are fools for taking it.

I think many are underestimating the Davis-Asik frontline. Since when were good bigs - especially good at the defensive end - just given away for middling first round (unknown) prospects?

[crc21209]

So fat ass Windhorst just said the Bulls want to wait and see what happens with Melo before they key in on Gasol? Come on Gasol don't wait jist pick the Spurs already..

[Spursfanfromafar]

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One more step, Pau.. One More..

[SpursFan86]

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Same source as the Marca.com article, but figured I'd post it anyways

[ironman2886]

As long as Pau doesn't go to OKC. I'm happy.

[Chinook]

A 15 millions expiring can be turned into gold in February.

Not really, and it only counts for $8.33 Million.

[Chinook]

I think many are underestimating the Davis-Asik frontline. Since when were good bigs - especially good at the defensive end - just given away for middling first round (unknown) prospects?

They would have been better off keeping Lopez. I think they're pretty much tied in overall impact, and Lopez is cheaper. But bigs don't have the trade value they used to.

[littlecoyotecoin]

There was a time not too long ago that the Spurs had five PGs on their roster (just last year, actually). I just can't imagine Pop rolling with just two healthy ones. Sure, Anderson, Diaw and especially Ginobili can handle the ball. But they can't play the position defensively. I think Bonner is on the outs now, but the team may well not match an offer sheet to Baynes or even cut Ayres.

Forgot, do you really think they will eat those salaries, Daye or Ayres? I put that way out in the tail of probability. This team is just so good with money and staying competetive in a small market, I don't see them throwing away a million or two. That is why I am leaning toward the other options.

[objective]

As long as Pau doesn't go to OKC. I'm happy.

Agreed. He would probably help okc more than the spurs. But acquiring him hurts okc, so that's the important thing.

I'd miss Baynes, a lot. But keeping gasol from okc looks more important.

[Chinook]

Forgot, do you really think they will eat those salaries, Daye or Ayres? I put that way out in the tail of probability. This team is just so good with money and staying competetive in a small market, I don't see them throwing away a million or two. That is why I am leaning toward the other options.

They were willing to eat Malcolm Thomas' salary last year. With the stretch provision, small salaries are even easier to waive.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Agreed. He would probably help okc more than the spurs. But acquiring him hurts okc, so that's the important thing.

I'd miss Baynes, a lot. But keeping gasol from okc looks more important.

I don't think the Spurs will get rid of Baynes, it will Aryes for sure. They are sending Daye and Aryes to Vegas. IMO its to see who gets to stay and who gets the boot.

[SpursFan86]

I don't see us keeping Baynes if we get Pau.

[Spursfanfromafar]

They would have been better off keeping Lopez. I think they're pretty much tied in overall impact, and Lopez is cheaper. But bigs don't have the trade value they used to.

But Lopez left in 2013. They don't have a beefy center to pair with Davis, who is legitimately a four in the TD/KG mode. Asik should be ideal for them. Besides, he has that attractive cap contract for next season (only season). Makes more sense than Lopez.

[littlecoyotecoin]

They were willing to eat Malcolm Thomas' salary last year. With the stretch provision, small salaries are even easier to waive.

Ok, interesting. More flexibility than I thought they had.

[ironman2886]

Baynes is a good asset to have. I still want him on this team. Ayers and Daye, hit the road.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I don't see us keeping Baynes if we get Pau.

Baynes is the Spurs enforcer. You always need like a guy like that on your roster. Plus he has proven himself against the likes Howard, Lopez, and Adams on defense.

[szkorhetz]

Baynes is a good asset to have. I still want him on this team. Ayers and Daye, hit the road.
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[SpursFan86]

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[TimDunkem]

Lakers would apparently take Boozer for Gasol.

[SpursFan86]

Lakers would apparently take Boozer for Gasol.

Lakers can no longer S&T Pau. They renounced their rights to him today.

[Big P]

I don't see us keeping Baynes if we get Pau.

We keep Baynes and get rid of Ayers.

[Big P]

Lakers can no longer S&T Pau. They renounced their rights to him today.

Do we know for sure that they renounced his rights?...I don't see anything about it online.

[anakha]

Lakers can no longer S&T Pau. They renounced their rights to him today.

Link please. All I'm seeing is that they may renounce, but nothing confirmed yet.

[SpursFan86]

Link please. All I'm seeing is that they may renounce, but nothing confirmed yet.

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[Mel_13]

Link please. All I'm seeing is that they may renounce, but nothing confirmed yet.

They had to renounce Gasol to do all the other deals announced today.

[SpursIce]

I have one question regarding trade exceptions that I hope that a CBA expert can answer for me. If team A (that I believe has to be over the cap) deals let's say a $5M contract to team B for a draft pick it receives a $5M trade exception which is valid for one year. It can use that trade exception to take on a $5M contract within that year. This sort of makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is why teams just don't do it all the time. Why do salaries ever have to match if you can just get a trade exception instead? So for example if three months later team A would like to take on a $4M contract for a pick why does it have to have a trade exception? Can't it simply do the trade and in this case team C gets a $4M exception? And this could simply go on and on.

A answer would be highly appreciated since this bothers me greatly. :)

[SpursFan86]

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[Big P]

If they renounced him why is Pincus and the others saying he can still be part of a S&T?

[Mel_13]

If they renounced him why is Pincus and the others saying he can still be part of a S&T?

Because they can still create cap space by trading Nash to a team with enough space to absorb his contract or a large enough trade exception. They could also waive Nash using the stretch provision of the 2011 CBA. These are unlikely scenarios, but they exist.

[Chinook]

Lakers can no longer S&T Pau. They renounced their rights to him today.

You can still S&T a player without Bird rights. You just have to use cap space.

EDIT: OBVIOUSLY, I WAS LATE.

[Big P]

Gotcha...thanks!:toast

[objective]

I have one question regarding trade exceptions that I hope that a CBA expert can answer for me. If team A (that I believe has to be over the cap) deals let's say a $5M contract to team B for a draft pick it receives a $5M trade exception which is valid for one year. It can use that trade exception to take on a $5M contract within that year. This sort of makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is why teams just don't do it all the time. Why do salaries ever have to match if you can just get a trade exception instead? So for example if three months later team A would like to take on a $4M contract for a pick why does it have to have a trade exception? Can't it simply do the trade and in this case team C gets a $4M exception? And this could simply go on and on.

A answer would be highly appreciated since this bothers me greatly. :)

I think that the only way to get exceptions that big is that the team getting the player has to have the free cap room to absorb the contract, that's what gives the other team the trade exceptions. That's why most large trade exceptions expire in the summer, the original deals were only possible when one team was far enough under the cap to absorb salary.

[spurraider21]

Is the Lin to Lakers trade official?

[BatManu20]

No way the Lakers just let Pau go to the Spurs for nothing imo. They'd find a way to screw us, even if it meant trading a player they don't want to.

[RD2191]

No way the Lakers just let Pau go to the Spurs for nothing imo. They'd find a way to screw us, even if it meant trading a player they don't want to.

[Obstructed_View]

James just did that.

lol yeah I thought about that like a half an hour after I posted that, but Lebron did go back home. Bosh has no ties to Houston other than it being in Texas, right?

[Kindergarten Cop]

No way the Lakers just let Pau go to the Spurs for nothing imo. They'd find a way to screw us, even if it meant trading a player they don't want to.

If they were competitive, I'd agree with you. Considering that they know that they're not competing for a Championship within the next two years, they likely think that the Spurs' window will be close to closing (which I would adamantly disagree with) by then - and I don't think that they care at the moment.

[Chinook]

lol yeah I thought about that like a half an hour after I posted that, but Lebron did go back home. Bosh has no ties to Houston other than it being in Texas, right?

Yep. Dude's from Dallas. He probably grew up hating the Rockets and dreaded going there.

[SpursIce]

I think that the only way to get exceptions that big is that the team getting the player has to have the free cap room to absorb the contract, that's what gives the other team the trade exceptions. That's why most large trade exceptions expire in the summer, the original deals were only possible when one team was far enough under the cap to absorb salary.

Ahh ok. So basically salaries don't have to match in trades as long as one or both teams have enough space under the cap to absorb the salaries? That would make sense.

[BatManu20]

What are the chances HOU would take back Nash's contract in a S&T with LA? Sounds like a terrible decision on their part but who knows with Morey.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Miami engaged with free agents Trevor Ariza and Luol Deng for the job opening at small forward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[spurraider21]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Miami engaged with free agents Trevor Ariza and Luol Deng for the job opening at small forward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.


big shoes to fill :lol

[BatManu20]

Either of those would be good signings for miami, and they would still be competitive in the East, but without Lebron they're not serious contenders. Cavs and Pacers only, and possibly Chicago depending on FA and Rose's health.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Either of those would be good signings for miami, and they would still be competitive in the East, but without Lebron they're not serious contenders. Cavs and Pacers only, and possibly Chicago depending on FA and Rose's health.

Don't sleep on Washington (especially if they can retain Ariza).

[Kindergarten Cop]

big shoes to fill :lol

Absolutely - but at least the expectations won't be very high.

[BatManu20]

Don't sleep on Washington (especially if they can retain Ariza).

Ah yes, forgot about the Wiz. They're up there as well, but don't see them getting past the Cavs or Pacers for at least another year imo. A lot of that hinges on their ability to retain Ariza, as you stated.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Miami engaged with free agents Trevor Ariza and Luol Deng for the job opening at small forward, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.



I see Deng going to Miami and Ariza back to the Wiz.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

What are the chances HOU would take back Nash's contract in a S&T with LA? Sounds like a terrible decision on their part but who knows with Morey.

0. With Parson 15mil and the current Roster, they would be in the Tax. Options have run out for the Bulls and Lakers on a S&T.

[LakerHater]

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[BatManu20]

0. With Parson 15mil and the current Roster, they would be in the Tax. Options have run out for the Bulls and Lakers on a S&T.

Just read that the Rockets are still contemplating whether or not they should match Parsons.

[ace3g]

NY_KnicksPR @NY_KnicksPR
(https://twitter.com/NY_KnicksPR)(cont)"Unfortunately, Lamar was unable to uphold the standards to return as an NBA player.We found it necessary to free up the roster spot.

[TheGoldStandard]

NY_KnicksPR @NY_KnicksPR
(https://twitter.com/NY_KnicksPR)(cont)"Unfortunately, Lamar was unable to uphold the standards to return as an NBA player.We found it necessary to free up the roster spot.



Snorting with Manziel

[spurraider21]

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[Obstructed_View]

You guys should come hang out in the Gasol thread. We almost have ourselves convinced that he might give up all that money and playing time just to join the Spurs! It's like being on peyote, tbh. :lol

[32fastest]

Ssssssooooooooo, is this Pau thing actually happening?

[slick'81]

You guys should come hang out in the Gasol thread. We almost have ourselves convinced that he might give up all that money and playing time just to join the Spurs! It's like being on peyote, tbh. :lol


More like x no freak outs lol

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More hallucinations.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Just read that the Rockets are still contemplating whether or not they should match Parsons.

Cuban screwed Morey hard on this one. If he matches, there is pretty much a slim chance they get Durant in 16. If they don't match, Cuban has put the Mavs ahead of the Rockets and just below OKC and the Spurs in WC food chain for a couple of years. It was a win win for Cuban all the way.

[objective]

You guys should come hang out in the Gasol thread. We almost have ourselves convinced that he might give up all that money and playing time just to join the Spurs! It's like being on peyote, tbh. :lol

Doesn't ingesting peyote often end with vomiting?

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Doesn't ingesting peyote often end with vomiting?

:lol I honestly have no idea. My knowledge of it comes from Young Guns and Longmire.

[SpursFan86]

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Ferry trying to swoop Gasol

[BatManu20]

Would be dumb for the Hawks. Ferry's done a good job with them so far, this would set them back.

[cjw]

They were willing to eat Malcolm Thomas' salary last year. With the stretch provision, small salaries are even easier to waive.

Right, and I don't think it even matters to them given they're over the cap - they can just waive either deal and take the hit this year (one year remaining). Wouldn't even need the stretch.

It was being talked about that the Lakers would use the stretch on Nash, but would have only made sense if they needed to do it to make room for a free agent under the cap. Otherwise didn't make sense.

[Chinook]

Right, and I don't think it even matters to them given they're over the cap - they can just waive either deal and take the hit this year (one year remaining). Wouldn't even need the stretch.

It was being talked about that the Lakers would use the stretch on Nash, but would have only made sense if they needed to do it to make room for a free agent under the cap. Otherwise didn't make sense.

Contracts are automatically stretched as far as payment schedules go. The team simply chooses whether to stretch the cap hit.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Several contenders pursuing Chris "Birdman" Andersen, front office sources tell Yahoo. Heat want to keep him, but suitors coming hard.

[FireMicoHalili]

You guys should come hang out in the Gasol thread. We almost have ourselves convinced that he might give up all that money and playing time just to join the Spurs! It's like being on peyote, tbh. :lol
:lol

[spursparker9]

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[FireMicoHalili]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)but suitors coming hard.


Gross

[Chinook]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Several contenders pursuing Chris "Birdman" Andersen, front office sources tell Yahoo. Heat want to keep him, but suitors coming hard.



:lol

*cough*

He'd be good on the Cavs. They need a garbage-man big.

[spursparker9]

Birdman is done. After Kawhi dunked on him like 5 times in the finals

[spursparker9]

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[spurraider21]

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that's terrible :lol

[spursparker9]

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[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Kent Bazemore is headed to the Atlanta Hawks on a two-year, $4 million deal

[Kindergarten Cop]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Kent Bazemore is headed to the Atlanta Hawks on a two-year, $4 million deal



With all of the Monopoly money being thrown around, this is actually a VERY good bargain for the Hawks.

[Kindergarten Cop]

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cavs bound ?

[cd021]

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If we could get Gasol for the MLE and Aminu for the BAE :wow rescind Baynes offer, cut Cotton after the preseason, let Bonner walk and ship Ayers to clear space

[pad300]

If we could get Gasol for the MLE and Aminu for the BAE :wow rescind Baynes offer, cut Cotton after the preseason, let Bonner walk and ship Ayers to clear space

Rather go for Mike Miller with the BAE. Cut Cotton and let Bonner Walk. Dump Ayres somewhere

Duncan Diaw Gasol Splitter Baynes
Kawhi Miller Daye
Green Manu Belinelli
Parker Cojo Mills ?Anderson? (I'm not real sure what position Anderson will play in the nba)

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Mavericks have been hopeful of retaining Vince Carter but ESPN sources say Grizzlies in serious talks to try to swipe Vinsanity from Dallas

[BatManu20]

Hope Carter leaves Dallas.

[spursparker9]

Why Carter has not expressed interest in joining a championship contender team?

He is still ringless.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Memphis is finalizing an agreement with free agent Vince Carter, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[NASpurs]

:lol Mavs

Solid pickup for the Grizz

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Vince Carter has agreed to a three-year, $12M deal with Memphis, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[spursparker9]

lol Woj showing Marc Stein...

[NASpurs]

Woj:Vince Carter has agreed to a three-year, $12M deal with Memphis, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

[BatManu20]

Glad he's out of Dallas. Played well for them last season.

[Marcus Bryant]

Carter will be 57 when his contract ends.

[MI21]

Nice price for Vince but 3 years is a bit much...2 at the very most.

[spursparker9]

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[SpursFan86]

Nice price for Vince but 3 years is a bit much...2 at the very most.

3rd year is only partially guaranteed

[Malik Hairston]

Have to admire Carter's work ethic in his later years after it was questionable earlier in his career when he relied on his super-human athleticism and body..

He's in his late 30s and still effective as a 6th man, while Iverson/McGrady/Arenas/Francis/Marbury and so many other star perimeter players from the early 2000s are out of the league..

[spursparker9]

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[ajh18]

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Lakers are more likely looking at 2016, not next summer. 2015 Free Agent class looks weak, with Love likely being traded and signing a long-term deal (and therefore not being available) and Aldridge re-signing in Portland. I guess Rondo, Jefferson, and M. Gasol? But I have trouble seeing Gasol signing there after Pau's experience, and I'm not sure if Rondo or Jefferson makes LA a title contender. I think Brooke Lopez had a player option, but who knows if he'd opt out of his current deal.

That would explain why most of the deals they've been giving out are 2-year deals. That said, huge risk given Kobe aging. Are they basically forfeiting being a contender for the rest of Kobe's career?

[TheGoldStandard]

Lakers are more likely looking at 2016, not next summer. 2015 Free Agent class looks weak, with Love likely being traded and signing a long-term deal (and therefore not being available) and Aldridge re-signing in Portland. I guess Rondo, Jefferson, and M. Gasol? But I have trouble seeing Gasol signing there after Pau's experience, and I'm not sure if Rondo or Jefferson makes LA a title contender. I think Brooke Lopez had a player option, but who knows if he'd opt out of his current deal.

That would explain why most of the deals they've been giving out are 2-year deals. That said, huge risk given Kobe aging. Are they basically forfeiting being a contender for the rest of Kobe's career?

They don't have a choice.

[spursparker9]

lol Kobe might as well retires now

[RD2191]

:lolWe all know he's going to the Bulls, he has just as good a shot to make the Finals with the Bulls out East as with the Spurs out West. Plus more money and playing time. No brainer for Pau. Imo.
:wakeup

[LakerHater]

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[LakerHater]

Carlos Boozer is expected to be traded to the Los Angeles Lakers in a sign-and-trade for Gasol.

[SpursFan86]

Carlos Boozer is expected to be traded to the Los Angeles Lakers in a sign-and-trade for Gasol.

Where'd you see this? Everything I read today made it sound like Boozer S&T was no longer an option after the deals LA made.

[TimDunkem]

Where'd you see this? Everything I read today made it sound like Boozer S&T was no longer an option after the deals LA made.
It's complex, but possible. Check https://twitter.com/EricPincus for more info.

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[Andthentherewas21]

Utah has matched the offer on Gordon Hayward

[ace3g]

Darnell Mayberry @DarnellMayberry
(https://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry)Anthony Morrow has agreed to join the Thunder, giving Oklahoma City a 3-point shooter and depth on the wing. Story coming soon.

[loveforthegame]

Solid signing for OKC. Damn.

[spursparker9]

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[TheGoldStandard]

NY LOL... that team will fail again in the east

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsXGasJCAAAn4uD.jpg:large

[ace3g]

Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS
(https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS)The Mavs lost Vince Carter last night. They're now making a serious run to try to replace him with Mike Miller, a source told @CBSSports (https://twitter.com/CBSSports/).

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[TheGoldStandard]

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He's in his late 50s right

[ironman2886]

Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS
(https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS)The Mavs lost Vince Carter last night. They're now making a serious run to try to replace him with Mike Miller, a source told @CBSSports (https://twitter.com/CBSSports/).

Sucks.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Free agent Anthony Morrow has reached agreement on a three-year, $10-plus million deal with Oklahoma City, league sources tell RealGM.

[TheGoldStandard]

Lol Morrow, he'll be wide open when Chucker bricks a 25 footer with 2 guys on him.

[RD2191]

Lol Morrow, he'll be wide open when Chucker bricks a 25 footer with 2 guys on him.

[RD2191]

Isn't Morrow the black Bonner?

[TheGoldStandard]

Isn't Morrow the black Bonner?
That's Tolliver... same concept though.

[RD2191]

That's Tolliver... same concept though.
:loloh ok

[spursparker9]

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[littlecoyotecoin]

Lol Morrow, he'll be wide open when Chucker bricks a 25 footer with 2 guys on him.

At WB rate of injury, Morrow will get all the shots he wants.

[TimDunkem]

Probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft (https://twitter.com/Probballdraft) 7h (https://twitter.com/Probballdraft/status/487908476169904128)
Several teams I spoke to in Vegas believe Trevor Ariza will be the most over payed FA. Probably worth $8M but likely to get $12-13M.

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS) 46s (https://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/488026183888420865)
The Heat and agent Henry Thomas are continuing to work on new deals for Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem. Nothing final yet, source says.

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO) 1m (https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/488026530958671872)
Cavs and Hornets announce trade of Scotty Hopson from CLE in return for Brendan Haywood and 2nd-rd pick Dwight Powell.

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo (https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo) 26s (https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/488029576191168512)
The Hornets are shifting their focus to Jazz free agent forward and former UNC star Marvin Williams, a source said.

[look_at_g_shred]

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[BatManu20]

Morrow is actually a good sign at that price. Still one of the best 3p shooters in the league when he gets looks.

[spurraider21]

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[Texas_Ranger]

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tspence confirmed that hours ago. :rollin

[Mel_13]

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Morrow needs to fire his agent and hire the guy that represented Meeks.

[Prime Time]

So Spursfan, which F/A should we fall for next?

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Houston restricted free agent Troy Daniels is in strong discussions on a possible deal with the Rockets, league sources tell RealGM.

[xmas1997]

So who is the Spurs next target, plan B?
Or do they stand pat?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So who is the Spurs next target, plan B?
Or do they stand pat?

No one, save the cap space for next year.

[Ron Swanson]

Plan B is Bonner or Baynes.

[TheGreatYacht]

So Spursfan, which F/A should we fall for next?Resign Matt Bonner and Aaron Baynes or use the MLE exception on Carlos Boozer, Robin Lopez, or Shawn Marion. I wish we can fu**ing get rid off that scrub Jeff Ayres omg what a waste of roster space all thanks to Jim Boylen.

Anyone know what happened to the Marvin Williams talks?

[ace3g]

Sam Amick @sam_amick
(https://twitter.com/sam_amick)The Houston Rockets have agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with Trevor Ariza, @USATODAYsports (https://twitter.com/USATODAYsports/) has learned.

[look_at_g_shred]

Nice move Houston

[loveforthegame]

What a steal for Houston. Got damn.

[Chinook]

Fine move by the Rockets. Pretty surprised that that's all it took.

[ace3g]

so Parsons to Mavs, maybe Spurs will go after Marion now.

[RD2191]

Good, the Rockets upped their ceiling to the 2nd round.

[SpursFan86]

Damn...that's a great deal for Houston. He might be better than Parsons, and he's almost half the price.

[Malik Hairston]

Damn, 8 per year for Ariza is shocking considering how the rest of Free Agency has transpired, tbh..

[SpursFan86]

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[UnWantedTheory]

Tspence lied to me?:(

[Obstructed_View]

My sources tell me Don Harris is seriously relieved.

[timtonymanu]

Ariza back to Houston? I wonder if that will work out better the 2nd time.

[ace3g]

Lebron signed 2 year deal

[Mr. Body]

What's with Houston getting players they used to have?

[UnWantedTheory]

What's with Houston getting players they used to have?
They want players who aren't afraid to lose...?

[benstanfield]

Ariza isn't remotely better than Parsons, and signing him to long term money is a recipe for disaster.

:lol Morey shipped out his bench (Lin and Asik) for peanuts for a downgrade at SF and...

[benstanfield]

In 10 season Ariza has averaged less than 10ppg 6 times

Statistically that means Morey will pay 8m for less than 10ppg at least twice

:downspin:

[SpursFan86]

Tspence26 reports Spurs are interested in Marion :lol

[Johnny RIngo]

Looking at the free agent list, the pickings are slim. Wouldn't be surprised if Spurs choose not to use their MLE this summer.

[TheGoldStandard]

Let's go after heinrich just for the hell of it

[emanueldavidginobili]

Safe to say Carmelo will retire ringless, 5 more years in NY

[Obstructed_View]

Looking at the free agent list, the pickings are slim. Wouldn't be surprised if Spurs choose not to use their MLE this summer.

Was thinking that too. There's not really any reason. They've got assets to trade and maybe a bit of talent on the SL team.

[SpurPadre]

Was thinking that too. There's not really any reason. They've got assets to trade and maybe a bit of talent on the SL team.

At this point, we might as well wait until next February's trade deadline to get a player we'll need later on down the road.

[Mel_13]

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[Obi Juan Kenobi]

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Glad the Spurs didn't overpay for this historically mediocre player...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

so Parsons to Mavs, maybe Spurs will go after Marion now.

I thought Marion for sure was going back. But it's looking like he isn't. Would be a big upgrade over Bonner. Beside being an excellent backup stretch 4, I would love for Marion to be on the roster so he can advise Pop on Carlisle schemes and gameplay he had last year. It would be great insight for the Spurs to have.

W the Mavs looking like their getting Parsons, they will be the 3rd dangerous team out West, just behind the Spurs and OKC.

[TheGoldStandard]

Chip can you please help Marions shot? Lol

[SpurPadre]

When was the last time a free agent chose us over another team when given a choice? I'm very insulted in these fucks consistently going out of their way to snub us at the very last second to play for a bigger market team that is clearly inferior to us as a team.

[SpursFan86]

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[Mel_13]

When was the last time a free agent chose us over another team when given a choice? I'm very insulted in these fucks consistently going out of their way to snub us at the very last second to play for a bigger market team that is clearly inferior to us as a team.

One third of the playoff rotation of the NBA champs chose the Spurs in free agency.

And sorry about that Bonner news.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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Baynes will for sure and if the Spurs can't land Marion, Bonner will be. That's why its only one at this point.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

One third of the playoff rotation of the NBA champs chose the Spurs in free agency.

And sorry about that Bonner news.

I think he meant a premiere free agent that was garnering considerable interest from other teams...

[Russ]

T-Spence
‏@tspence26 Kevin Love to CLEVELAND, Warriors to get 1st round picks and Wolves will get Tristan Thompson and Klay Thomson ! WOW!

Back for more?

[Mel_13]

I think he meant a premiere free agent that was garnering considerable interest from other teams...

He didn't say that, and not too many premiere free agents are interested in the MLE.

[TheGoldStandard]

When was the last time a free agent chose us over another team when given a choice? I'm very insulted in these fucks consistently going out of their way to snub us at the very last second to play for a bigger market team that is clearly inferior to us as a team.

It doesn't matter anymore really, in the last 10 years 4 teams in the west have made the finals. Lakers, Spurs, Dallas, OKC and those are the only teams that will consistently threaten. Lakers are out of the picture for at least 4 years so that leaves Dallas and Carlisle and OKC and Scott Brooks. So pretty much if we can out think Carlisle we got another shot at the finals.

There is no team in the east that is scary either sobwhoever wins the west is winning the championship