Official 2014 Free Agency Thread

[objective]

Caron and Granger are washed up and don't deserve more than the minimum.

I'll take Bertans over both of them, at least he won't pout when he doesn't get the ball every trip down. He'd shoot threes better too.

[Richie]

Gasol to OKC is bad, bad news tbh.

Honestly, I'm not worried. He's a sieve on defence, and they'd be replacing their best post defenders in Perkins and Adams to play him. Whoever he is guarding will set the screen for Parker and Tony will blow by him every time.

I don't think he helps as much offensively as people think because he will be taking shots away from Durant (you know Westbrook will still get his), and defensively he makes them a lot worse.

[bthewigwam]

A team can accomplish this by trading their player (in this case Lin) to a team with cap space (enough to cover the contract).

Makes sense, thanks!

[ducks]

lol he compains about toches in la westbrook and Durant will get more then him
and then you have jackson

[Nathan89]

How the hell is OKC considered realistic and SA not? What is wrong here?

Bigger role(at least mpg wise) and three young player for the rest of his career.

[Hoops Czar]

How the hell is OKC considered realistic and SA not? What is wrong here?

Maybe they found someone to take Perkin's expiring. I can't see him signing for the MLE.

[ElNono]

How the hell is OKC considered realistic and SA not? What is wrong here?

Ibaka is his teammate in Spain's NT

[Baam]

Honestly, I'm not worried. He's a sieve on defence, and they'd be replacing their best post defenders in Perkins and Adams to play him. Whoever he is guarding will set the screen for Parker and Tony will blow by him every time.

I don't think he helps as much offensively as people think because he will be taking shots away from Durant (you know Westbrook will still get his), and defensively he makes them a lot worse.

:lmao that whole take...

[Baam]

Ibaka is his teammate in Spain's NT

That and he can start for them...

[tholdren]

Im not worried, we have splitter.

[crc21209]

Gasol to OKC? Ummm...why? He'll never touch the ball there with Durant and especially Westbrook :lol

[Richie]

:lmao that whole take...

I remember this in the playoffs, and that was Pau two years younger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q2hlhP0Vso

[Baam]

Im not worried, we have splitter.

:lol Splitter is behind Bonner in the rotation against OKC, might as well not be on the roster in that series.

[tholdren]

:lol Splitter is behind Bonner in the rotation against OKC, might as well not be on the roster in that series.
sorry, i forgot the blue.

pau looks like he was 49 3 years ago

[ducks]

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Wednesday, July 2, 2014
Sources: Big 3 not acting in concert

By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine


When the Miami Heat's "Big 3" went their separate ways after a lunch meeting last Wednesday, they went not knowing whether they had played their last game together, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

While Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh were committed to returning to the Heat, LeBron James was unsure of what he would do, the sources said.

The only certainty coming out of the meeting concerning James was that he wanted a maximum-level salary.

James did not ask or suggest that Wade and Bosh opt out of their deals or take lesser salaries to allow the Heat to add other top players, according to the sources.



When Bosh and Wade opted out of their contracts a few days later -- joining James who had done so before their lunch meeting -- it was widely assumed the three were working together and would all return to the Heat.

But sources who have spoken with two of the Big 3 said that was not the case. Bosh and Wade are intent on returning to Miami, but neither of them knows what James will do.

"It's not a done deal," said one source, when asked about James' return to Miami. "That's for sure."

Bosh and Wade were so uncertain about James's future after last week's meeting that one of them spoke about what the Heat might look like without James, according to one source.

The decisions of Bosh and Wade to opt out of the final two years and $42 million of their contracts were sparked by their desire to add better players in an effort to entice James to stay in Miami, one source said.

While both players expect to sign larger contracts overall, each is willing to take less money annually.

Bosh is looking to sign a five-year deal worth between $80 million and $90 million while Wade is thinking along the lines of $55 million-60 million over four years, sources said.

Those figures, combined with a max-level contract that would begin at $20.7 million for James, would not clear the cap room it would likely take to sign free-agent targets such as Kyle Lowry, Luol Deng and possibly Pau Gasol.

None of this means James will not return to the Heat, and another season or two for him in Miami seems to be a safe bet, the sources said. But no one, not even the other members of the Big 3, knows what the four-time MVP is going to do.

James's camp has handled this year's free agency much different than it did in 2010. James has hired a new agent since then in longtime friend Rich Paul, and Paul has played it close to the vest.

Paul spoke with clubs interested in signing James beginning at midnight on Tuesday. His responsibility is to share that information with James and then James will decide the next steps.

One similarity between 2014 and 2010 is that James was likewise noncommittal in a meeting with Bosh and Wade before the trio joined forces in Miami that summer.

[ace3g]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
(https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA)Assuming Diaw returns, one of most interesting free agency subplots will be how Spurs use their mid-level. Unfair to add more good player/s

[DPG21920]

I get the "Ibaka" thing, but that is pretty weak IMO. If the Spurs weren't even contenders because of financial limitations, I can't see how Serge makes OKC enough to be front runners. Who cares if they are younger? It's a volatile situation with KD/WB under the surface. Not only that, what does Pau care about 5 years from now - he's not young. He shouldn't care that they are younger IMO.

If he's willing to take that level of money, I can't see how OKC is such a heavy favorite when SA wasn't even really considered unless the "asking price came way down".

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pau Gasol Addendum No. 2: Hearing Pau, as with OKC, indeed giving legit consideration to San Antonio if he looks at places where $ is scarce

[DesignatedT]

:lol you a bad man ace. I swear you post tweets before they are even tweeted :lol

[DPG21920]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pau Gasol Addendum No. 2: Hearing Pau, as with OKC, indeed giving legit consideration to San Antonio if he looks at places where $ is scarce




I get the "Ibaka" thing, but that is pretty weak IMO. If the Spurs weren't even contenders because of financial limitations, I can't see how Serge makes OKC enough to be front runners. Who cares if they are younger? It's a volatile situation with KD/WB under the surface. Not only that, what does Pau care about 5 years from now - he's not young. He shouldn't care that they are younger IMO.

If he's willing to take that level of money, I can't see how OKC is such a heavy favorite when SA wasn't even really considered unless the "asking price came way down".

Good - this makes a ton more sense.

[BatManu20]

:lol you a bad man ace. I swear you post tweets before they are even tweeted :lol

:lol You read my mind

[spurraider21]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pau Gasol Addendum No. 2: Hearing Pau, as with OKC, indeed giving legit consideration to San Antonio if he looks at places where $ is scarce


yeah, if Pau is actually considering taking MLE money, Miami and SA should be higher on his list than OKC

[benefactor]

So do they let Baynes walk if Gasol signs? That's a lot of bigs.

[ducks]

only for gasol if diaw comes back

gasol d is terible

[spurraider21]

So do they let Baynes walk if Gasol signs? That's a lot of bigs.
not really. he takes Bonner's roster spot, and takes basically all of Ayres' minutes while shaving off Duncan's. They probably both play 25 mpg or so

[MaNu4Tres]

So do they let Baynes walk if Gasol signs? That's a lot of bigs.

Not sure if you're serious.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I'm warming up to Pau, lots of explanations for his declined defense these last two years and I'd like it even more if signing him kept him away from the Thunder and Heat. He's still great offensively as well.

[Mugen]

Adding Pau after keeping Mills/Diaw would be unfair tbh. :lol

[NickiRasgo]

I'm more interested for bringing back Diaw before they sign anyone else. Please re-sign Diaw! Although the good thing about it is that there's minimal rumor regarding Diaw getting some interest from other team so I think there's a negotiation going on. Hopes Parker convinced him to stay in a fair contract.

[palangi]

So do they let Baynes walk if Gasol signs? That's a lot of bigs.
Or try and trade or cut ayers.

[ducks]

gasol d might be better if he knows he is only playing 25 minutes and not having to save fouls and save energy to score

[barakz21]

not really. he takes Bonner's roster spot, and takes basically all of Ayres' minutes while shaving off Duncan's. They probably both play 25 mpg or so

Damn.. That's one sick big man rotation, if ever it does happen. TD, Pau, Splitter and Diaw(if he stays). If it does happen, and the spurs find a way to get rid of Ayres, that'll be a win for them

[BatManu20]

Still think it's a long shot he comes here but if the Spurs somehow added Gasol's talents that would be insane tbh.

[palangi]

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[Vic Petro]

gasol d might be better if he knows he is only playing 25 minutes and not having to save fouls and save energy to score

I think motivation is a huge key with Pau, the same way it is for Boris. If he's on a losing team where everyone is out for self, his head won't be in the game or with the team. I think on a selfless team like the Spurs, his motivation and effort would be very good.

[Mal]

If Spurs sign Gasol and Diaw, NBA is truly fucked.

[Jwash_1986]

I remember this in the playoffs, and that was Pau two years younger


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q2hlhP0Vso
Watching this vid makes it hard to say we don't need Bonner.

[MaNu4Tres]

Pau would be such a perfect addition to this team. Minutes for TD and Splitter would reduce, which isn't a bad thing.

Offer him a 1 yr deal for the MLE and reward him next summer, whether Tim retires or not.

[Mel_13]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pau Gasol Addendum No. 2: Hearing Pau, as with OKC, indeed giving legit consideration to San Antonio if he looks at places where $ is scarce



IMO, Gasol wants to stay in LA and wants to squeeze as many dollars as possible out of short Buss. This talk about OKC and the Spurs is to gain access to Buss' checkbook.

[benefactor]

Not sure if you're serious.
Well it is...if you keep Baynes that's five slow footed big men on the front line...Baynes, Gasol, Splitter, Ayres and Duncan. Where's the minutes for Baynes? Is he going to ride the bench for a whole year while the Spurs go with a Splitter/Gasol as the two main centers?

[Mel_13]

Well it is...if you keep Baynes that's five slow footed big men on the front line...Baynes, Gasol, Splitter, Ayres and Duncan. Where's the minutes for Baynes? Is he going to ride the bench for a whole year while the Spurs go with a Splitter/Gasol as the two main centers?

If they sign Gasol, then they withdraw the QO to Baynes.

[ElNono]

I get the "Ibaka" thing, but that is pretty weak IMO. If the Spurs weren't even contenders because of financial limitations, I can't see how Serge makes OKC enough to be front runners. Who cares if they are younger? It's a volatile situation with KD/WB under the surface. Not only that, what does Pau care about 5 years from now - he's not young. He shouldn't care that they are younger IMO.

If he's willing to take that level of money, I can't see how OKC is such a heavy favorite when SA wasn't even really considered unless the "asking price came way down".

I also think OKC can offer him a guaranteed starting spot, whereas on the Spurs he would not have such guarantee, and I suspect he would actually have a backup role.

Money matters, but Pau is a sensitive guy, and I think little things like that will matter to him.

[spurraider21]

IMO, Gasol wants to stay in LA and wants to squeeze as many dollars as possible out of short Buss. This talk about OKC and the Spurs is to gain access to Buss' checkbook.
Pau has clearly been frustrated in LA for the past 2-3 years, i think he wants out

[benefactor]

If they sign Gasol, then they withdraw the QO to Baynes.
Was my thinking as well. I'd hate to lose Baynes but getting Gasol as the backup C is very much a no-brainer.

[ElNono]

IMO, Gasol wants to stay in LA and wants to squeeze as many dollars as possible out of short Buss. This talk about OKC and the Spurs is to gain access to Buss' checkbook.

I agree. I was reading marca.com a couple days ago (spanish sport site), and he was saying he still feels a Laker, and that Kobe asked him to come back. I just can't believe somebody that has been scapegoated like him will just walk right back. I guess for the right amount, he would.

[Mel_13]

Adding Pau after keeping Mills/Diaw would be unfair tbh. :lol

Yep.

[DPG21920]

I also think OKC can offer him a guaranteed starting spot, whereas on the Spurs he would not have such guarantee, and I suspect he would actually have a backup role.

Money matters, but Pau is a sensitive guy, and I think little things like that will matter to him.

Oh, I agree that OKC probably has an advantage. Just thought it odd that Spurs weren't in contention and OKC favored just because of little things.

[DesignatedT]

If he narrows it down to SA and OKC, I think we'd be pretty tough to pass up even with how stacked we are. Both teams have a lot going for them but if the offers are even and both teams are showing the same amount of genuine interest, I think he would choose SA.

[Mal]

In Spurs system it doesnt matter wheather you start or not. Win, play the game the right way, prolong you career, enjoy you life. I dont think starting gig would play any role. Taking half the money you can earn is the key.

[MaNu4Tres]

Well it is...if you keep Baynes that's five slow footed big men on the front line...Baynes, Gasol, Splitter, Ayres and Duncan. Where's the minutes for Baynes? Is he going to ride the bench for a whole year while the Spurs go with a Splitter/Gasol as the two main centers?

You're missing Diaw. Spurs can re-sign Diaw and sign Gasol still (w/the MLE)

If Gasol is willing to play for the MLE w/ OKC ( all OKC can offer), then I'm sure he's willing to play for MLE w/SA.

I think if Spurs sign Gasol, Baynes-y is a goner.

[DesignatedT]

You let baynes go if Gasol is willing to come, yes.

Lmao

[benefactor]

I think if Spurs sign Gasol, Baynes-y is a goner.
Then we agree.:tu

[Mugen]

The only thing you have to worry about with a Diaw/Gasol/TD/Tiago lineup is whether Ayres can adequately get those guys their gatorade in a timely fashion tbh.

[ace3g]

J. Michael @JMichaelCSN
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[murpjf88]

It's either/or between Diaw and Gasol. Spurs can't properly distribute the minutes if they sign both.

[CGD]

Re-signing Diaw and Mills is pretty much our entire agenda this offseason. That and finding a FO spot for Bonner.

Sucks that this is the case, cause it means our entire hopes of becoming a better team than 2014 is Anderson being decent and the improvement of Beli in the system, Ayres, Daye, and Baynes*. I really don't think the Spurs have that great a pitch to make for anyone but C level FAs. If we keep Diaw and Mills there are almost no guaranteed minutes for any player that signs.

Dude the spurs were light years ahead of the league last year, and there is no reason to think that will change next year unless OKC adds a key piece which can gel with Brix and KD. Add that to the uncertainty in Miami, and the fact HOU has two perpetual losers on there squad and are looking to add a 3rd. The other well coached teams (Mavs, Clips, and Bulls) are missing key parts which even if added will need at least a year to gel. nah, if Andrson is the only addition after signing Mills/Boris we're great

[benefactor]

It's either/or between Diaw and Gasol. Spurs can't properly distribute the minutes if they sign both.
Of course they can. Gasol goes to the second unit with Diaw and takes Splitter's minutes when he's playing like a pussy.

[ace3g]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Thunder can make compelling case to Pau Gasol, and have $6.5m trade exception if a sign-and-trade becomes an option.

[Russ]

If he narrows it down to SA and OKC, I think we'd be pretty tough to pass up even with how stacked we are. Both teams have a lot going for them but if the offers are even and both teams are showing the same amount of genuine interest, I think he would choose SA.

Don't underestimate a Euro's appreciation of Oklahoma City's cosmopolitan lifestyle.

[ace3g]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)By my math, absorbing any more than $5.3m into their trade exception would push Thunder into the tax, which they have never paid.


(https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/#)

[Vic Petro]

IMO, Gasol wants to stay in LA and wants to squeeze as many dollars as possible out of short Buss. This talk about OKC and the Spurs is to gain access to Buss' checkbook.

See I think he wants as far away from LA and Kobe as possible.

[Mel_13]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(https://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Thunder can make compelling case to Pau Gasol, and have $6.5m trade exception if a sign-and-trade becomes an option.









That could give OKC a significant advantage over the Spurs if it comes down to a choice between those two teams.

[DPG21920]

Unless OKC is willing to pay tax, it's unlikely the TE comes into play. So it's still MLE v MLE for OKC v Spurs.

[DesignatedT]

Hmm yes.

[Baam]

Unless OKC is willing to pay tax, it's unlikely the TE comes into play. So it's still MLE v MLE for OKC v Spurs.

They will pay the tax for sure, much more money to be lost in the long run by losing Durant in 2016...

[Russ]

If Gasol is willing to play for the MLE w/ OKC ( all OKC can offer), then I'm sure he's willing to play for MLE w/SA.



Can the Spurs add the DeColo trade exception to their MLE? (I'm no capologist.)

[DPG21920]

Can the Spurs add the DeColo trade exception to their MLE? (I'm no capologist.)

Unfortunately they cannot.

[DPG21920]

They will pay the tax for sure, much more money to be lost in the long run by losing Durant in 2016...

Well for sure seems to be strong considering:

1) They never have paid the LT

2) They weren't willing to pay a less punitive LT for Harden

[CGD]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pau Gasol Addendum No. 2: Hearing Pau, as with OKC, indeed giving legit consideration to San Antonio if he looks at places where $ is scarce



Awesome. Spurs just need to sell him on the future, and that when Duncan retires next year (?) he's the low post guy of the future. Would be as close to seamless a transition as you can get!

[FvckMavs]

Unless OKC is willing to pay tax, it's unlikely the TE comes into play. So it's still MLE v MLE for OKC v Spurs.

OKC has state tax?

[tholdren]

id rather have baynes than some stupid deal for pau. He's old, he's shitty on defense. What good will he do, and dont give me the pick and pop or hes a great passer line. After the McDyess debacle I want no more visibly washed up, slow, centers.

[DesignatedT]

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[DPG21920]

OKC has state tax?

Yes, but I was referring to Luxury Tax from a CBA perspective.

[MaNu4Tres]

That could give OKC a significant advantage over the Spurs if it comes down to a choice between those two teams.

Have to imagine no state tax in TX has to be considered as well. Think between OKC/SA, it will mostly come down to who he wants to play with and who he wants to play for.

[Russ]

Pao is no spring chicken, but I'd still like him depending upon other options.

Are there any other legitimate candidates for the Spurs MLE?

Can it carry over to next year if they don't use it?

[DPG21920]

Spurs haven't had any formal meeting with Pau unlike OKC I believe so that's an issue.

[FvckMavs]

Have to imagine no state tax in TX has to be considered as well. Think between OKC/SA, it will mostly come down to who he wants to play with and who he wants to play for.

Not to mention SA can compensate him in a year or two after TD retires.

[Mel_13]

Have to imagine no state tax in TX has to be considered as well. Think between OKC/SA, it will mostly come down to who he wants to play with and who he wants to play for.

In that regard, it would seem that the Spurs are a better fit for Pau, but the difference in money would not be insignificant. We'll know soon enough. I still think it's all smoke and he wants to stay in LA and get paid.

[Nathan89]

Of course they can. Gasol goes to the second unit with Diaw and takes Splitter's minutes when he's playing like a pussy.

In the regular season it works fine but in the playoffs it doesn't work so well.

[SpursFan86]

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[TheGoldStandard]

Plus the international connection would do him some good in a family environment, that LA scene is toxic. But we've all seen this movie before

[DesignatedT]

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[MaNu4Tres]

In that regard, it would seem that the Spurs are a better fit for Pau, but the difference in money would not be insignificant. We'll know soon enough. I still think it's all smoke and he wants to stay in LA and get paid.

You're probably right. Only time will tell.

[jjktkk]

Does Gasol still consider himself a #2, or is he willing to sacrifice his mins. to win a ring?

[MaNu4Tres]

Does Gasol still consider himself a #2, or is he willing to sacrifice his mins. to win a ring?

Think Spurs would start him and start fielding offers for Splitter if Gasol's production on both ends starts exceeding expectations.

This is all hypothetical though. I'd say less than 15% chance he signs with Spurs.

[crc21209]

484502074496126976

A good mix of winning and money huh? Well scratch the Lakers and Knicks off that list then...:lol

[DPG21920]

It's pretty obvious if it's winning and money, MIA/CHI are the best fits.Will be a key piece, make the most money & play in the East where you are virtually guaranteed an ECF berth if you are there with Lebron.

[TheGoldStandard]

Think Spurs would start him and start fielding offers for Splitter if Gasol's production on both ends starts exceeding expectations.

This is all hypothetical though. I'd say less than 15% chance he signs with Spurs.

Nope, he's on the other side of 30 and he's had injury and health issues. No amount of production would make them shop Splitter who's been rather healthy the last 2 seasons.

[palangi]

Have to imagine no state tax in TX has to be considered as well. Think between OKC/SA, it will mostly come down to who he wants to play with and who he wants to play for.
You would think then that would rule out OKC. Playing with Westbrook would be like playing with Kobe. And pau is trying to get away from Kobe.

[TheGoldStandard]

Someone should leak a rumor about Jeff Ayres, that Detroit wants him if they can't get Monroe.

[slick'81]

Let's get some Diaw news going

[murpjf88]

Let's get some Diaw news going

The Diaw market doesn't begin until Gasol and Deng have homes.

[Russ]

Someone should leak a rumor about Jeff Ayres, that Detroit wants him if they can't get Monroe.

If the Spurs get Pao they could probably amnesty Ayers.

Pretty cheap amnesty. So cheap the Spurs might even do it.

[Seventyniner]

If the Spurs get Pao they could probably amnesty Ayers.

Pretty cheap amnesty. So cheap the Spurs might even do it.

Can't amnesty anyone signed after 2011.

There are only a few players still eligible for amnesty left in the league and pretty soon even those deals will expire. Boozer and Perkins are really the only realistic ones left.

[Andthentherewas21]

If the Spurs get Pao they could probably amnesty Ayers.

Pretty cheap amnesty. So cheap the Spurs might even do it.

Can't amnesty Ayres. Only one they can still amnesty at this point is Parker.

[Russ]

Can't amnesty anyone signed after 2011.

There are only a few players still eligible for amnesty left in the league and pretty soon even those deals will expire. Boozer and Perkins are really the only realistic ones left.


Can't amnesty Ayres. Only one they can still amnesty at this point is Parker.

You guys have too much free time on your hands even by my standards. :toast :lol

[DPG21920]

Although it usually leads to nothing, this is one of my favorite times on ST. Not only is there excitement that is usually unfounded, but people talk basketball on a consistent basis, people learn & it leads to good conversations about the NBA in general.

[Vic Petro]

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[monkeypunk]

Although it usually leads to nothing, this is one of my favorite times on ST. Not only is there excitement that is usually unfounded, but people talk basketball on a consistent basis, people learn & it leads to good conversations about the NBA in general.

Great post and spot on about the ebb and flow of this site.

[Jwash_1986]

Although it usually leads to nothing, this is one of my favorite times on ST. Not only is there excitement that is usually unfounded, but people talk basketball on a consistent basis, people learn & it leads to good conversations about the NBA in general.

[Andthentherewas21]

Although it usually leads to nothing, this is one of my favorite times on ST. Not only is there excitement that is usually unfounded, but people talk basketball on a consistent basis, people learn & it leads to good conversations about the NBA in general.

Same here. Beats the mid-season cliff-jumpers, player-bashing, ect...

(although Ayres does deserve bashing 95% of the time)

[monkeypunk]

Gasol would be amazing in our offense but he's got a lot of wear at this stage of his career. Isn't nearly as mobile as he was and would be a turnstile on d.

He'd be really nice to add but I wouldn't lose Bobo or Tiago to get him.

[TheGoldStandard]

I heard Jeff Ayres dad called the Spurs and asked them to trade him, he didn't deserve success

[Ice009]

OKC going after Mike Miller per Stein. Also Miller posted a picture of him and Durant together. I really hope he doesn't go there.

Miller's not a free agent is he? Did Memphis only sign him to a one year deal?

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Agent: If Clippers trade Jamal Crawford - or keep him - NBA's Sixth Man of Year wants summer '15 contract extension. yhoo.it/1oq4hZu (http://t.co/SkJRfEt4WD)

[Kindergarten Cop]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Agent: If Clippers trade Jamal Crawford - or keep him - NBA's Sixth Man of Year wants summer '15 contract extension. yhoo.it/1oq4hZu (http://t.co/SkJRfEt4WD)



He's really thinking ahead, isn't he?

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Kyle Lowry has agreed to a 4 year, $48M contract to stay with Toronto, sources tell Yahoo.

[BatManu20]

About what I expected Lowery to get. Overpaid but Toronto couldn't let him go.

[tholdren]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Kyle Lowry has agreed to a 4 year, $48M contract to stay with Toronto, sources tell Yahoo.


HELLLLLLL YESSSSSSSSSSS

[Kindergarten Cop]

Alex Kennedy is reporting that the Bulls have informed Carlos Boozer that he will be amnestied.

[tholdren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psiH5-zCW8g

[Chinook]

Well, Dallas is done.

[Ditty]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Kyle Lowry has agreed to a 4 year, $48M contract to stay with Toronto, sources tell Yahoo.



:lmao Houston
:lmao Miami
:lmao Lakers

Please stay Melo!

I can't wait to see the Mavs offer a max contract to Chandler Parsons. :rollin

[DesignatedT]

What's boozer getting amnestied do to Chicago's cap possibilities? I wonder who will claim him off waivers.

[DesignatedT]

I doubt Toronto still matches an offer sheet for Vasquez.

[tholdren]

What's boozer getting amnestied do to Chicago's cap possibilities? I wonder who will claim him off waivers.
Wouldnt you think Dallas would do some shit like that? I mean really... who can they get?

[DesignatedT]

Maybe Miami claims Boozer lol

[DesignatedT]

Wouldnt you think Dallas would do some shit like that? I mean really... who can they get?

Assuming Melo stays in NY, Deng seems like their only option considering Houston would match Parsons offer sheet.

[spursparker9]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Kyle Lowry has agreed to a 4 year, $48M contract to stay with Toronto, sources tell Yahoo.



http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/yesss.gif

[cd021]

HELLLLLLL YESSSSSSSSSSS

:tu this

:lmao Miami

Gortat and Lowry off the market

[cd021]

Maybe Miami claims Boozer lol

Should help their defense for sure...

[Vic Petro]

Maybe Miami claims Boozer lol

They won't claim him off waivers but they'd be a good bet to sign him to a cheap deal once he becomes a FA.

[LakerHater]

Raptor (http://instagram.com/p/p-R1tel3jc/)!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrlqPm_CYAEtkg2.png

[DesignatedT]

Lebron is getting close to bolting. I can feel it.

[DesignatedT]

They won't claim him off waivers but they'd be a good bet to sign him to a cheap deal once he becomes a FA.

I don't think he will make it. Somebody will put a bid in for him.

[tholdren]

Lebron is getting close to bolting. I can feel it.
Too bad Cleveland is giving max to Gordon... LMFAO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbc-O_3_Ac

[DPG21920]

Somewhat risky business with Lowry, but pretty reasonable based on last year/his upside. There's obviously a chance he goes the way of the heavy PG, but if not and given the climate of contracts so far, not too bad at all.

[houston spurs fan]

Damn, TP needs a raise. Lowery, Bradley geez

[timtonymanu]

He's not in Miami. :tu

[cd021]

I doubt Toronto still matches an offer sheet for Vasquez.

That would be a great fit for the Spurs if they to (not sure why they would) rescind the offer. But would be a ton of guards (4 pgs, not including Cotton) Cojo would seem to be the odd man out in that scenario.

[DPG21920]

MIA people spinning this hard. Claiming that MIA didn't really want a PG, but "prioritizing" wings like Ariza/Deng.

[cd021]

Great for those Toronto fans. They are crazy for basketball. They should be better off next season with only Chicago, Miami and Indiana seeming like they could do anything. All 3 have flaws and uncertainty

[Ron Swanson]

MIA people spinning this hard. Claiming that MIA didn't really want a PG, but "prioritizing" wings like Ariza/Deng.

Heat fans just walked out on the offseason.

[cd021]

MIA people spinning this hard. Claiming that MIA didn't really want a PG, but "prioritizing" wings like Ariza/Deng.

Neither of those seem likely at the moment. I could see Charlotte making a big play for Deng if not Dallas Ariza seems likely to return.

[RD2191]

MIA people spinning this hard. Claiming that MIA didn't really want a PG, but "prioritizing" wings like Ariza/Deng.
:lol

[cd021]

Heat fans just walked out on the offseason.

2 days in, their improving quite nicely

[cd021]

Lebron is getting close to bolting. I can feel it.

Still a few top FAs left but Gortat and Lowry were pretty high up on the list ,i would think.

[murpjf88]

Boozer will probably end up in OKC or Miami if they strike out on Gasol.

[ViceCity84]

http://willthethrillbarton.com/canzano-bosh-and-wade-will-return-to-heat-lebron-seeking-short-term-deal/
http://allucanheat.com/2014/07/01/report-wade-bosh-agree-contracts-heat/http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/01/report-lebron-wants-1-2-year-deal-at-max-bosh-five-years-starting-at-11-million-wade-four-years-starting-at-12-million/
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/01/report-lebron-wants-1-2-year-deal-at-max-bosh-five-years-starting-at-11-million-wade-four-years-starting-at-12-million/


Bosh signing 5 year starting @ 11 mill a year
Wade signs 4 years starting @ 12 a year

Is this another Bucher?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Boozer will probably end up in OKC or Miami if they strike out on Gasol.

There is no way Boozer clears waivers - and both OKC and Miami are (or will be) over the cap.

[LakerHater]

484540145459527680

[murpjf88]

There is no way Boozer clears waivers - and both OKC and Miami are (or will be) over the cap.

Im pretty sure he will. Miami, technically, is under the cap.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Im pretty sure he will. M

I can say with virtual certainty that he will not clear waivers. With so many teams having a ton of cap room, there are going to be several teams that miss out on their targets and place a low bid (at least) for him. There is NO WAY he goes through unclaimed IMHO.

[DesignatedT]

The Clippers are trying to trade Jamal Crawford per Woj.

[murpjf88]

I can say with virtual certainty that he will not clear waivers. With so many teams having a ton of cap room, there are going to be several teams that miss out on their targets and place a low bid (at least) for him. There is NO WAY he goes through unclaimed IMHO.

You mean, like Miami?

[Kindergarten Cop]

The Clippers are trying to trade Jamal Crawford per Woj.

I thought the quotes from his agent were a bit strange - but the report of him being shopped shines some light on the initial quotes.

[DesignatedT]

Some team will claim boozer for a small amount, I'd be surprised if he cleared waivers.

[Kindergarten Cop]

You mean, like Miami?

Teams over the cap cannot place a bid, which Miami is (or will be if they retain the big 3).

[ace3g]

FOX Sports Live @FOXSportsLive
(https://twitter.com/FOXSportsLive)"I think he's probably done in L.A." -@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/) on Pau Gasol

[murpjf88]

Teams over the cap cannot place a bid, which Miami is (or will be if they retain the big 3).

My understanding is Miami has 10M-12M cap space, including the big 3.

[Ron Swanson]

My understanding is Miami has 10M-12M cap space, including the big 3.

How many roster spots do they have to fill with that?

[Kindergarten Cop]

My understanding is Miami has 10M-12M cap space, including the big 3.

The report earlier this week claimed that the Heat "could" or "hoped" to have that much money to entice a top tier FA (Lowery, Gortat, Ariza, etc) to come. Reports have come out since stating that LeBron wants the max and Bosh wants 5yr/$90M. Unless Wade takes a HUGE discount, they won't have that much in space. Regardless, they wouldn't create that much space to secure Boozer's rights.

[murpjf88]

How many roster spots do they have to fill with that?

I'm assujing it takes into account Cole, Haslem, Bosh, Lebron and Wade. Maybe 7 or 8 need to be filled. But, They'll have the MLE and veterans min. contract to help fill in the remaining roster spots.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I'm assujing it takes into account Cole, Haslem, Bosh, Lebron and Wade. M

You need at least 7 more players to fill out a team.

[murpjf88]

You need at least 7 more players to fill out a team.

I'm posting on my phone and accidentally hit reply. See above.

[murpjf88]

The report earlier this week claimed that the Heat "could" or "hoped" to have that much money to entice a top tier FA (Lowery, Gortat, Ariza, etc) to come. Reports have come out since stating that LeBron wants the max and Bosh wants 5yr/$90M. Unless Wade takes a HUGE discount, they won't have that much in space. Regardless, they wouldn't create that much space to secure Boozer's rights.

I can't see teams going beyond 5M to secure Boozer.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I'm assujing it takes into account Cole, Haslem, Bosh, Lebron and Wade. Maybe 7 or 8 need to be filled. But, They'll have the MLE and veterans min. contract to help fill in the remaining roster spots.

They'd have to be under the cap to claim Boozer OR be over the cap to use the MLE - they can't have both.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I can't see teams going beyond 5M to secure Boozer.

They won't have to - but I disagree. Boozer is still a decent big man, and considering the Monopoly money that's being thrown around lately (Bradley, Gortat, Gordon, etc) he'd easily get $5M.

[murpjf88]

They'd have to be under the cap to claim Boozer OR be over the cap to use the MLE - they can't have both.

Sign Boozer while they're under. Then, sign another player to compliment Boozer for roughly 5-7M. Now, Miami has access to the MLE.

[DPG21920]

Sign Boozer while they're under. Then, sign another player to compliment Boozer for roughly 5-7M. Now, Miami has access to the MLE.

That's not really how it works. Once they use the money while they're under on Boozer, the MLE option is gone. The only way they have the MLE is if they only sign their own FA's which puts them over the cap, then they can use the MLE.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Sign Boozer while they're under. Then, sign another player to compliment Boozer for roughly 5-7M. Now, Miami has access to the MLE.

They'd have to renounce all of their cap holds (including James, Bosh, Wade) to do it, but even then I don't think they could/would do that for Boozer.

[BatManu20]

Just hoping Pau doesn't sign with miami or OKC

[murpjf88]

They won't have to - but I disagree. Boozer is still a decent big man, and considering the Monopoly money that's being thrown around lately (Bradley, Gortat, Gordon, etc) he'd easily get $5M.

This is because Teams cleared a lot of cap space this offseason and they're are very few high profile free agents on the market. Players are the beneficiaries of generous spending by GMs because they can no longer pocket the leftover cash like they used to. This is leading to mid tier players making much more than they normally would.

[Kindergarten Cop]

This is because Teams cleared a lot of cap space this offseason and they're are very few high profile free agents on the market. Players are the beneficiaries of generous spending by GMs because they can no longer pocket the leftover cash like they used to. This is leading to mid tier players making much more than they normally would.

I know WHY they're spending it now - and you're basically making my point of Boozer being capable of getting more than his market value by one of these teams that has money to burn.

[murpjf88]

They'd have to renounce all of their cap holds (including James, Bosh, Wade) to do it, but even then I don't think they could/would do that for Boozer.

They're running out of options at this point. They got blistered in the paint last year so they have to find a rebounding/shot blocking presence that can actually score. He may be their best option remaining if they strike out on Deng.

[Kindergarten Cop]

They're running out of options at this point. They got blistered in the paint last year so they have to find a rebounding/shot blocking presence that can actually score. He may be their best option remaining if they strike out on Deng.

They can't do it (as DPG and I have pointed out) though, unless they give up on bringing the Big 3 back - and they aren't going to risk that on a player like Boozer.

[DPG21920]

Well, MIA can bid on him assuming they do have cap space (which is possible depending on what Wade/Bosh take). He might be their best option if they strike out on Pau/else where. They just won't have the MLE available if they do.

[murpjf88]

They can't do it (as DPG and I have pointed out) though, unless they give up on bringing the Big 3 back - and they aren't going to risk that on a player like Boozer.

I missed that post. Why can't they do it?

[benstanfield]

Dude the spurs were light years ahead of the league last year, and there is no reason to think that will change next year unless OKC adds a key piece which can gel with Brix and KD. Add that to the uncertainty in Miami, and the fact HOU has two perpetual losers on there squad and are looking to add a 3rd. The other well coached teams (Mavs, Clips, and Bulls) are missing key parts which even if added will need at least a year to gel. nah, if Andrson is the only addition after signing Mills/Boris we're great

OKC won 2 games playing 2.5 on 5. Two of their key rotation players (Sefalosha and Butler) were unplayably bad by the end of the series. If they add even 2-3 decent rotation players and are healthy they are just more talented than us. You can take them lightly if you want, I don't care, but if PATFO share the sentiment of your post I am pretty worried.

[LakerHater]

Pacers 5 yrs $44 mil turned down By Lance Stevenson

[DPG21920]

I missed that post. Why can't they do it?

He's saying based on known reports (Bosh's contract demands, Lebron wanting max) that the earlier reports of MIA having 11M in cap space is not likely. We won't know until Bosh/Wade sign (if they do). They can have cap space, but they can't have cap space and use the MLE. That's what they can't do.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I missed that post. Why can't they do it?

They can't use the MLE combined with a claim using cap space - one or the other according to league rules.\

And if recent reports are true of LeBron and Bosh's demands, Wade will have to take a HUGE paycut to make a bid on Boozer even a thought. Now if Bosh signs elsewhere, I can see them placing a significant bid in for Boozer - but that would be moot, considering that they would be downgrading the position and making Miami weaker.

[Johnny RIngo]

Just hoping Pau doesn't sign with miami or OKC

Personally, I think he stays in LA.

[murpjf88]

He's saying based on known reports (Bosh's contract demands, Lebron wanting max) that the earlier reports of MIA having 11M in cap space is not likely. We won't know until Bosh/Wade sign (if they do). They can have cap space, but they can't have cap space and use the MLE. That's what they can't do.


They can't use the MLE combined with a claim using cap space - one or the other according to league rules.\

And if recent reports are true of LeBron and Bosh's demands, Wade will have to take a HUGE paycut to make a bid on Boozer even a thought. Now if Bosh signs elsewhere, I can see them placing a significant bid in for Boozer - but that would be moot, considering that they would be downgrading the position and making Miami weaker.

Ah, thanks. that clears things up. By claiming Boozer, they lose the MLE.

[DPG21920]

It's chicken or the egg scenario with MIA. Their FA's have cap holds that put them over the cap so they technically have no cap space. As management negotiates with FA's and get a number from them, they then go back to the big 3 and tell them and they agree to whatever numbers collectively make that work (in theory).

It's a dicey strategy to some degree, but that is how it works. Basically, with a team's own free agents/cap holds, you do two things: If the contract they are going to sign is bigger than the cap holds, you sign FA's first, then your own guys. If their new contract will be less than their cap hold, you sign your guys first and then other FA's with your cap space.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Ah, thanks. that clears things up.

:toast

[Kindergarten Cop]

Personally, I think he stays in LA.

Woj tweeted that Pau "is probably done in LA, he's going to move on".

[BatManu20]

Personally, I think he stays in LA.

Woj just said on FS1 that he thinks he's leaving LA. Wouldn't mind at all if he stayed in LA, although it's looking more and more likely he will not.

[Johnny RIngo]

Woj tweeted that Pau "is probably done in LA, he's going to move on".

wow - guess he is done in LA

[Kindergarten Cop]

Woj just said on FS1 that he thinks he's leaving LA. Wouldn't mind at all if he stayed in LA.

I'm with you. If it comes down to Pau going to OKC, Miami, or the Lakers - I'd MUCH rather him cash in and stay away from our main competition.

[BackHome]

Pacers 5 yrs $44 mil turned down By Lance Stevenson

Wow I guess he doesn't want to stay in Indy.....So who do you think goes after him or wants him?

[TheGoldStandard]

Lakers will be all about Lance.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Gasol in OKC or MIA would certainly be a disturbing turn of events, but it looks like he'll have to take the MLE if he wants to go to a contender. Given that this is probably his last significant paycheque, I wonder if his desire to win or his agent's desire to maximise his cut will win out? And if the agent wins, where does he go?

[eDizzle20]

I think Pau will sign with the Bulls. I think they will offer him the most money and they are a decent team. Any of the other teams he would be taking a huge pay cut.

[ducks]

lakers might take boozer back with gasol

[LakerHater]

Clippers have engaged the Nets on S&T talks involving Paul Pierce

[TheGoldStandard]

Clippers have engaged the Nets on S&T talks involving Paul Pierce

Crawford and who else for Pierce?

[Chinook]

Crawford and who else for Pierce?

That'd be good enough, I think. Maybe with a second.

[LakerHater]

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[TheGoldStandard]

That'd be good enough, I think. Maybe with a second.

It's a win/win situation, brooklyn isn't winning anything anytime soon even with Hollins. Now if only Brooklyn could package the corpse of Garnett away

[Chinook]

484526024709787648

Another S&T option.

[TheGoldStandard]

Another S&T option.

Now if the Grizz were able to get Crawford that would be nice for them, they lack scoring in a big way.

[Chinook]

It's a win/win situation, brooklyn isn't winning anything anytime soon even with Hollins. Now if only Brooklyn could package the corpse of Garnett away

It's not that. It's a good short-term move for Brooklyn as well, given that they lost their sixth man. Crawford would replace Livingston on the bench, Johnson would start at the three and Thornton would slide in at the two.

[TheGoldStandard]

It's not that. It's a good short-term move for Brooklyn as well, giving that they lost their sixth man. Crawford would replace Livingston on the bench, Johnson would start at the three and Thornton would slide in at the two.

This is true. Wonder if they would be shopping Lopez if he comes back and has a strong year.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Personally, I think he stays in LA.

And at this point, that'd be for the best.

[Malik Hairston]

I'm happy that Gasol can finally leave, tbh..I've never seen a star player that played a huge part in 2 championship teams get treated so poorly by the fans/media of his team and receive blame for virtually everything that goes wrong with the Lakers:lol..

It's like Tony Parker on SpursTalk, but 10x worse, and even the fucking LA media jumps in on it:lol..

[Spursfanfromafar]

I'm happy that Gasol can finally leave, tbh..I've never seen a star player that played a huge part in 2 championship teams get treated so poorly by the fans/media of his team and receive blame for virtually everything that goes wrong with the Lakers:lol..

It's like Tony Parker on SpursTalk, but 10x worse, and even the fucking LA media jumps in on it:lol..

And not just fans/media.. I think the Lakers management screwed him badly.. Always keeping him on the trade market and making his life hell by hiring the wrong coaches, making him play uncomfortable positions and so on. A 2 time championship winner (with the best win shares in both of them) deserved far better. The only things that kept Pau in those teams were Phil Jackson and his monstrous contract, I believe.

[Splits]

I'm happy that Gasol can finally leave, tbh..I've never seen a star player that played a huge part in 2 championship teams get treated so poorly by the fans/media of his team and receive blame for virtually everything that goes wrong with the Lakers:lol..

It's like Tony Parker on SpursTalk, but 10x worse, and even the fucking LA media jumps in on it:lol..

This. He's not resigning with the Lakers unless he's a masochist.

[TheGoldStandard]

We should be gauging interest in Aminu as well, his salary shouldn't be anything too tough to reach.

[Ice009]

We should be gauging interest in Aminu as well, his salary shouldn't be anything too tough to reach.

I'm very interested in Aminu, especially if Chip thinks he can help him become a better shooter.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm very interested in Aminu, especially if Chip thinks he can help him become a better shooter.

Yup, Mavs have shown interest too and despite me disliking Cubes Carlisle is solid and would bleed the potential out of Aminu.

[Ice009]

I wonder how high Aminu is on the Spurs' list? He's near the top of mine. He's got great size, is young, and can also play small ball PF and SF. If Chip thinks he can fix his shooting, then I wonder how high the Spurs rate him? Not sure what his BBIQ is like though, so that might be one thing the Spurs mark him down on.

[ajh18]

I think Gasol ends up being Miami's "big addition." Not a bad fit... not an upgrade defensively but makes them a more diverse offense and definitely better than using Bosh at C. At least he'd be in the East. I think Carmelo goes to Chicago, and Stevenson to LA.

Really don't want to see Gasol in OKC. And if the Clippers lose Crawford, even gaining Pierce, they're fools. He was their only go-to scorer in crunch time against the Thunder in the playoffs.

[Mal]

I think Miami will have problem with getting quality ring chasers. They arent that huge favourite anymore. They probably have to pay for bench its market value.

I wonder what will happen with CoJo. He is in his last year of rookie contract, as a Spur also. He`ll probably be backup PG, until Mills is healthy again. But then again, Spurs dont need him. He had good playoffs, he`s value is pretty high. Maybe it`s good time to trade him, with Ayers even for protected 2nd rounder or TE. That`ll free some cap space. It`s better to bring back both Bonner and Baynes and chase Gasol`s pipe dream, than have those two on roster. First months of the season are good time to try Bryce Cotton or even Kyle Anderson as backups for Tony.

[spurraider21]

Although it usually leads to nothing, this is one of my favorite times on ST. Not only is there excitement that is usually unfounded, but people talk basketball on a consistent basis, people learn & it leads to good conversations about the NBA in general.
:lol last year around this time was hilarious. everybody was melting down over the finals loss, people were infuriated that we came to terms with manu/splitter, and within all the chaos of those signings and the anti-manu trolls, you had Bruno trying to explain the salary cap rules to everybody... how we can sign and trade for kirilenko, etc

[ace3g]

Sportando @sportando
(https://twitter.com/sportando)Thunder agreed to terms with Sebastian Telfair (one year, vet minimum according to @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/)) sportando.com/en/usa/nba/125 (http://t.co/cghbujQwGv)

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Just hoping Pau doesn't sign with miami or OKC

I hope he does sign with Miami. He and Bosh are not good defenders. OKC is a different story b/c with Ibaka helping him, they can mask Pau's defensive inefficiency.

[spursparker9]

I hope he does sign with Miami. He and Bosh are not good defenders. OKC is a different story b/c with Ibaka helping him, they can mask Pau's defensive inefficiency.

Yeah, worst come to worst I would rather Pau sign with Miami than OKC.

Of course I prefer he go to NY or stay as a Laker.

[spursparker9]

Sportando @sportando
(https://twitter.com/sportando)Thunder agreed to terms with Sebastian Telfair (one year, vet minimum according to @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/)) sportando.com/en/usa/nba/125 (http://t.co/cghbujQwGv)




Telfair should get Ben Gordon's agent.

[NickiRasgo]

So that means Reggie Jackson will play full-time SG?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

So that means Reggie Jackson will play full-time SG?

Either that or being moved to LA in a SnT for Gasol.

[Clipper Nation]

And if the Clippers lose Crawford, even gaining Pierce, they're fools. He was their only go-to scorer in crunch time against the Thunder in the playoffs.
:lol Wut? Crawford was fucking terrible down the stretch of that series, he chucked brick after brick, refused to pass the ball, but still led the team in usage rate.... he along with Choke Paul was a big reason for the Game 5 meltdown....

Crawford is pretty well-established now as a regular season only player who's useless in the playoffs.... he's a nice guy, can be fun to watch sometimes, but we can do without him and definitely should not be giving him the extension he wants....

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So that means Reggie Jackson will play full-time SG?

Reggie Jackson wants to be the team's starting PG. I believe he said he did already this offseason. This probably means Westbrook moves to SG which he is just that, a SG. Work well against the Spurs for games 3 and 4, both starting. OKC just needs to get a scorer off the bench now, which I think they would have love to get someone like Mills.

Telfair isn't that guy, just the guy to fill Fisher spot. Which is a huge downgrade for the OKC when it comes to defense.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Either that or being moved to LA in a SnT for Gasol.

That would be a terrible move by the Thunder if they shipped Jackson and Perks to LA for Gasol. Jackson was quite frankly the biggest mismatch for the Spurs apart from Westbrook going complete bananas that series.

They wouldn't get past Memphis or the Clips if they made that trade.

[tholdren]

That would be a terrible move by the Thunder is they shipped Jackson and Perks to LA for Gasol. Jackson was quite frankly the biggest mismatch for the Spurs apart from Westbrook going complete bananas that series.

They wouldn't get past Memphis or the Clips if they made that trade.

They couldnt be that stupid to get over-the-hill pau for not even prime Jackson. The NBA wont let that happen.

[ducks]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 8m

RT ZachLowe_NBA: Pacers have little on fringes to entice PHX on Dragic.Their interest, per @ESPNSteinLine, might hint at bigger discussions



Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 8m

Whispers are already out there, ZachLowe_NBA, about Indy trying to pull in Boston to construct some sort of multi-team deal involving Rondo




Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 1h

Something to keep an eye on, though, with Indy known to covet an upgrade at PG and stubborn perception Suns can't afford Bledsoe AND Dragic

[Mr. Body]

Indiana absolutely has to get a point guard. I'd trade anybody or anything except Paul George to get one if I were them.

[Mugen]

:lmao Darren F'n Collison getting 3yr/16mil from the Kings.

[Mel_13]

:lmao Darren F'n Collison getting 3yr/16mil from the Kings.

Holy crap. That injury cost Patty at least 4M dollars.

[100%duncan]

:lmao Darren F'n Collison getting 3yr/16mil from the Kings.

I feel bad for Patty.

[Mugen]

Holy crap. That injury cost Patty at least 4M dollars.

Yep. Sucks for Mills. Maybe not having to play with Rudy Gay is worth losing the 4mil tho.

[100%duncan]

^ :lmao

[Mel_13]

Yep. Sucks for Mills. Maybe not having to play with Rudy Gay is worth losing the 4mil tho.

:lol

[loveforthegame]

I was hoping new owners and crew would help improve the Kings. Sheesh.

[Mugen]

484724487296786433

I'm interested in where Isiah Thomas goes now that Sac blew their load on Darren Pargo tbh.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

My guess is either Lakers or Pistons. Pistons have been going after him hard, and he personally is a Laker fan and said he hopes to get an offer sheet from them.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Any interest in Jason Terry? Word is that the Kings may waive him to make space for Collison (lol).

[Nathan89]

All it takes is one good year in this league.

[xmas1997]

Can't stand Terry.

[Mugen]

Any interest in Jason Terry? Word is that the Kings may waive him to make space for Collison (lol).

I'd rather give back this year's championship tbh.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'd rather give back this year's championship tbh.

:lol Fair enough.

[tholdren]

484724487296786433

I'm interested in where Isiah Thomas goes now that Sac blew their load on Darren Pargo tbh.

I think the reason SA FO looks so good is the other FO's are so damn TERRIBLE. More good news for us.

[Mugen]

Thomas to the Lakers would be a great move for Chazz & the Gang tbh, but they'll probably end up chasing Melo/Deng/Ariza too long and lose out on him.

[100%duncan]

I thought Terry was retired tbh.

[spursparker9]

I thought Terry was retired tbh.

He didn't declare yet.

Same with Pierce, KG and Ray Allen

[Dverde]

I think the Mavs would give Terry the vet min. They seem to be assembling their old championship team. I could see the Rockets signing him, too. Giving him the old vet spot on the bench.

[SpursFan86]

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[Aztecfan03]

Crawford and who else for Pierce?

At this point is Pierce even worth Crawford?

[kobyz]

when is Kent Bazemore gonna make his decision, can't wait, i would fuck to get him!

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

when is Kent Bazemore gonna make his decision, can't wait, i would fuck him!

[Baam]

:lol wtf

[murpjf88]

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I'm shocked they didn't make him a qualifying offer.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I'm shocked they didn't make him a qualifying offer.

Qualifying offers only apply to players in their 3rd year in the league. Not to veterans.

[murpjf88]

Qualifying offers only apply to players in their 3rd year in the league. Not to veterans.

Oh....

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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 43s

Teams and agents agree: Outside of role players now, the market is frozen until Miami's free agents and Carmelo Anthony make decisions.

[AFBlue]

It's likely they do have an offer on the table for Boris (a la Jefferson) that they laid out before he went out into the market. I just hope it's less than 4yrs/$40M.

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 1m

Pessimism among some of Melo's suitors, I'm told, is undoubtedly rising about having any hope of getting Melo away from Knicks

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 53s

You can see where this is headed. Knicks are surely hoping they get a verbal commitment from Melo to re-sign TONIGHT in their meeting in LA

[spurraider21]

Qualifying offers only apply to players in their 3rd year in the league. Not to veterans.
its just to any Restricted FA... the spurs will make a QO on Leonard after year 4, assuming they didn't extend him at that point

[spurraider21]

we've had The Decision, the Dwightmare, the Melodrama.... and meanwhile Tim just opts in :lol

[murpjf88]

its just to any Restricted FA... the spurs will make a QO on Leonard after year 4, assuming they didn't extend him at that point

Unless it's part of the new CBA, I thought after the 4th year, a team could make a qualifying offer in order to make a player a restricted free agent which would allow the Spurs to match any offer from another team. Maybe the Spurs didn't want a cap hold.