Official 2014 Free Agency Thread

[Spurs Brazil]

@BenKFAN
Looks like Bazemore signing may be premature. @MySportsLegion had first reported the signing.

[emanueldavidginobili]

@ESPNSteinLine: Reports of deal between Hawks & Kent Bazemore are premature but I'm told Bazemore he has face-to-face meeting scheduled w/Hawks tomorrow

[look_at_g_shred]

Gun for gasol! If not, Chris Douglas-Roberts or Aminu

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Hornets rookie PJ Hairston got into a minor altercation with a prep senior in a pickup game in Durham,NC,today his agent confirmed to Yahoo

[cd021]

Bazemore is scheduled to meet with us on Monday or Tuesday, i believe, would be odd for him to make that decision so quickly without seeing other offers (ours is likely the B.A.E, which is lower than $ 3 million per)

[SpursFan86]

Apparently LeBron to Cleveland is picking up steam...seen several sources start bringing it up. I for one hope he goes back.

[vander]

Apparently LeBron to Cleveland is picking up steam...seen several sources start bringing it up. I for one hope he goes back.

Fine, sure, as long as he doesn't go to Phoenix or LA

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Rockets are "heavily engaged" with Chris Bosh in attempt to get Bosh to leave Heat in free agency. Story hits online soon

[xmas1997]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Rockets are "heavily engaged" with Chris Bosh in attempt to get Bosh to leave Heat in free agency. Story hits online soon



Not good if this happens.

[look_at_g_shred]

Would only want Bazemore for his celebration dancing on the bench lol. Kidding aside, he's still very young who has yet to find a home.

[Ice009]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Rockets are "heavily engaged" with Chris Bosh in attempt to get Bosh to leave Heat in free agency. Story hits online soon



Do you guys think other big moves like this would be something that could swing Gasol to take the Spurs' offer? Do you think something like this would play a part in Pau's decision?

[xmas1997]

I guess Houston has given up on getting either James or Anthony.

[SpursFan86]

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[ace3g]

NBA on ESPN @ESPNNBA
(https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA)Sources: Rockets ramp up pursuit of Chris Bosh (via @ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/)). es.pn/1ziS12z (http://t.co/VaLPQrsr9o) pic.twitter.com/nHFMZbPv63 (http://t.co/nHFMZbPv63)

[CGD]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)ESPN sources say Rockets are "heavily engaged" with Chris Bosh in attempt to get Bosh to leave Heat in free agency. Story hits online soon



Wow that would be a scary good fit for Houston. Hopefully someone poached Parsons away.

[Ice009]

Is it possible that the Heat are trying to get Bosh to leave so they can use that money on other players?

For example, what if they go with Gasol, Anthony, James and Wade instead? Do you guys think Bosh is worth a max contract? I don't think Miami does.

I'd try and go with this kind of lineup :

C Gasol
PF James
SF Anthony (I think he'd be an upgrade to Bosh as he's a better shooter and better in the post, he can also play some PF for them)
SG Wade (sign him to about 10M per year to have enough money to offer Gasol more than the MLE). Would that work salary cap wise? Give James and Anthony close to the max.

[Seventyniner]

Is it possible that the Heat are trying to get Bosh to leave so they can use that money on other players?

For example, what if they go with Gasol, Anthony, James and Wade instead? Do you guys think Bosh is worth a max contract? I don't think Miami do.

If the Heat were truly cold-hearted they would renounce Wade and offer him scraps after they sign everyone else.

[Knoxxx]

No I don't think Bosh is worth the max. He just average the lowest points since his rookie year and lowest rebounds of his career. All in favor of shooting more 3s at a 31% clip. In short, Bosh has become SOFT and thank God we're not in the mix! We can only hope the Rockets somehow free up the space to offer him a huge contract, it would cripple them for years! They can also kiss Chandler goodbye I'd think.

[TheDarkSide.]

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[cd021]

Would make the Rockets a top 3 team for sure (in the NBA) not sure they can hang with us or OKC in a 7 game series, but Howard and Bosh could be a pain in the ass. Not to mention Harden and Parsons.

On the plus side, the East could have another bottom feeder in Miami that the Spurs can beat up on.

[cd021]

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How do you BTW?

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 27m
Once Pat Riley has chance to lay out his progress in free agency to James soon, there could be better clarity on James' next step.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 28m
Chris Bosh still hasn't taken step of talking directly with Rockets, sources tell Yahoo Sports. If he does, things could change fast here.More
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 30m
Around Bosh/Wade, there's uneasiness about James' intent; uncertainty. No one's sure -- yet. Heat aren't done, but empire's teetering.

[Mr. Body]

Gawd, LeBron is such an attention whore. Milking this for every second he's got.

[ducks]

bosh does not want to go toward the basket and spend the energy
howard can rebound in houston
bosh thinks he is the max but all he does is shot threes

[MaNu4Tres]

Love what the Hawks are doing.

Last year they picked up very underrated value in free agency, DeMarre Carrol for cheap (5 mil over 2 yrs; I wanted him bad last off-season instead of Beli). This year they sign Bazemore 6 mil over 2 years, who's another very underrated player.

Hawks are efficiently using their cap space resource more so than any other team right now. Nice Job Danny!

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 44m
No one knows -- yet -- if LeBron is serious about leaving Miami. But Rockets have moved quickly to front of the Bosh line if Bron relocates
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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 45m
None of the so-called Heatles has been more vocal about re-signing than Chris Bosh. But that, of course, was to keep playing WITH LeBron

[ducks]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11184392/houston-rockets-ramp-pursuit-chris-bosh
sources say Bosh has felt compelled to consider other options himself.

Sources say Bosh would expect a four-year maximum offer of $96 million to jump to leave Miami for Houston or any other suitor.

ESPN's Chris Broussard reported Wednesday that Bosh was seeking a five-year deal worth between $80-to-$90 million to re-sign with Miami, while Wade is thinking along the lines of $55-60 million over four years.

[TheDarkSide.]

How do you BTW?


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[Ice009]

Bosh and Wade are both asking for too much money. If Lebron leaves, it's because those two want too much and that won't leave enough money to get a decent team around them. If I was Riley, I'd tell Bosh to take a hike if he wants that much and tell Wade that he needs to take a pay cut if they're going to get a decent team around Lebron.

[Splits]

Bosh and Wade are both asking for too much money. If Lebron leaves, it's because those two want too much and that won't leave enough money to get a decent team around them. If I was Riley, I'd tell Bosh to take a hike if he wants that much and tell Wade that he needs to take a pay cut if they're going to get a decent team around Lebron.

Kinda tough to do that considering the R:lolckets are offering him max money.

[Knoxxx]

Key puzzle pieces to the free agency picture remain to me:

Nash and his $9.3 million albatross salary. I don't recall him playing a game for the Lakers last year. Short of him retiring, I see no way Lakers rid of his salary. Am I missing something?

The fossil that was Udonis Haslem opting out of his $4.6 million salary when the Heat still need every available penny to have any chance in free agency. He may as well take that front office job now?

Teams supposedly may be willing to take the salary of Jeremy Lin or Asik of the books of the Rockets to help them land a high dollar free agent like Melo or Bosh. Really?!? Further, Hoopshype lists those players salaries at a whopping $14.9 million each while Sham Sports lists them at a mere $8.4 million each. Which is accurate?

With LeBron up in the air and set to meet privately with Riley soon, chaos still reigns supreme in free agency but at least not for the Spurs!

[Mel_13]

Key puzzle pieces to the free agency picture remain to me:

Nash and his $9.3 million albatross salary. I don't recall him playing a game for the Lakers last year. Short of him retiring, I see no way Lakers rid of his salary. Am I missing something?

The fossil that was Udonis Haslem opting out of his $4.6 million salary when the Heat still need every available penny to have any chance in free agency. He may as well take that front office job now?

Teams supposedly may be willing to take the salary of Jeremy Lin or Asik of the books of the Rockets to help them land a high dollar free agent like Melo or Bosh. Really?!? Further, Hoopshype lists those players salaries at a whopping $14.9 million each while Sham Sports lists them at a mere $8.4 million each. Which is accurate?

With LeBron up in the air and set to meet privately with Riley soon, chaos still reigns supreme in free agency but at least not for the Spurs!

Nash- Lakers can waive him using the stretch provision of the new CBA. His salary cap hit would be spread over three seasons.

Lin- He will be paid 14.9M, but only count 8.4M against the cap and tax.

[BackHome]

Damn what a drama whore.

[Ice009]

Kinda tough to do that considering the R:lolckets are offering him max money.

Rockets can offer him whatever they want. I wouldn't offer him max. He might be worth it to a team like Houston that already has a center like Dwight and both Harden and Chandler (if he re-signs), but apart from certain situations like that, I don't think he's worth max on most contending teams.

How many of you guys think he's worth max?

[Splits]

Rockets can offer him whatever they want. I wouldn't offer him max. He might be worth it to a team like Houston that already has a center like Dwight and both Harden and Chandler (if he re-signs), but apart from certain situations like that, I don't think he's worth max on most contending teams.

How many of you guys think he's worth max?

Doesn't matter what people think, if Houston is offering him 4/$97m then that's what he's worth. Yes, the R:lolckets are stupid for doing so, but that's how the market works.

[ducks]

espn sport center brain (heat lover) CALM DOWN EVERYONE james has everything in control. everything is going as schedule
he is going to have face to face meeting with riley and will inform them if he will sign with them or not
things it will be down by 12 because james is going to watch final world cup

[Splits]

Key puzzle pieces to the free agency picture remain to me:

Nash and his $9.3 million albatross salary. I don't recall him playing a game for the Lakers last year. Short of him retiring, I see no way Lakers rid of his salary. Am I missing something?

The fossil that was Udonis Haslem opting out of his $4.6 million salary when the Heat still need every available penny to have any chance in free agency. He may as well take that front office job now?

Teams supposedly may be willing to take the salary of Jeremy Lin or Asik of the books of the Rockets to help them land a high dollar free agent like Melo or Bosh. Really?!? Further, Hoopshype lists those players salaries at a whopping $14.9 million each while Sham Sports lists them at a mere $8.4 million each. Which is accurate?

With LeBron up in the air and set to meet privately with Riley soon, chaos still reigns supreme in free agency but at least not for the Spurs!

Asik is already a Pelican.

[Knoxxx]

Nash- Lakers can waive him using the stretch provision of the new CBA. His salary cap hit would be spread over three seasons.

Lin- He will be paid 14.9M, but only count 8.4M against the cap and tax.

Sounds like Nash is done for then and add his $6 million to Lakers available space. That would get their 2014/2015 salary commitments down to $31 million and make a more viable free agency player but I don't see them fielding anything but a thin roster do you?

How did the Rockets pull that off? I recall they signed him from the Knicks did NY want rid of him and help them pull that off? What about Asik? Since he was with Bulls sounds like the Rockets just found some clever loopholes what were they if so?

Thanks!

[Mel_13]

Asik is already a Pelican.

No. The trade has yet to be executed.

[Knoxxx]

Asik is already a Pelican.

Ah ok thanks I think I vaguely recall hearing that but nice move by the Rockets (maybe).

As far as Bosh, hell no is he worth a max deal. They pay him and Howard $40 million combined they will be screwed!

[Knoxxx]

No. The trade has yet to be executed.

Touche! hehe

[Mel_13]

Sounds like Nash is done for then and add his $6 million to Lakers available space. That would get their 2014/2015 salary commitments down to $31 million and make a more viable free agency player but I don't see them fielding anything but a thin roster do you?

How did the Rockets pull that off? I recall they signed him from the Knicks did NY want rid of him and help them pull that off? What about Asik? Since he was with Bulls sounds like the Rockets just found some clever loopholes what were they if so?

Thanks!

Nash- they may not use the stretch provision. Depends on whether they want extra cap space this summer or in 2015 and/or 2016.

Lin/Asik- Contracts were constructed using the Gilbert Arenas provision of the CBA:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q45

[Chinook]

Bosh would be the best player on the Rockets. He's worth the money if they feature him. Miami is too lazy to have a dynamic offense, and that's holding everyone down, including James.

[Russ]

If I was Riley, I'd tell Bosh to take a hike if he wants that much and tell Wade that he needs to take a pay cut if they're going to get a decent team around Lebron.

Get 'em to opt out for the team, then dump 'em.

Nice work, Pat! :)

[Chinook]

I honestly do think Los Angeles can trade Nash for a decent player. They just need to be willing to take on long-term salary.

[Splits]

No. The trade has yet to be executed.

That's a formality

[Knoxxx]

Not seeing how Cavs field a strong team with James going back. About all they would have are Irving, James, and Jack. I don't even think they can keep Varejao?

[LakerHater]

Boris agrees to a 3 yr deal w Spurs
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--boris-diaw-gets--22-5-million-deal-to-re-sign-with-spurs-195943153.html

[ducks]

damm I thought it was bosh

[Ice009]

damm I thought it was bosh

In what world would you think that's Bosh?

[benstanfield]

Spurs can use the MLE to sign a player that is bought out midseason right?

Not sure what the buyout market will be like (was pretty horrendous last year) but they could easily stand pat if the whiff on their FA targets and have space to take on a vet as needed. Might be a smarter move since the health of key players (Mills, Manu) is still an uncertainty going forward.

[Aztecfan03]

Didn't realize asik trade wasn't completed yet.

[anakha]

:lol at Broussard backpedaling on his wild speculation.

[kobyz]

Damion James is with Pistons playing summer league, so he is not in Spurs plan...

[spursparker9]

:lol at Broussard backpedaling on his wild speculation.

He is slowly getting to level of SAS.

[Mr. Body]

If not Gasol, then I'd rather not spend the MLE (or full MLE) on anybody. I don't see anybody who will make a bit impact on this team. The roster is loaded. If a good vet wants to backup Kawhi, then great. Otherwise, see what shakes loose as the season goes on.

[xmas1997]

The Spurs have also expressed an interest in McRoberts.
A few on here like chinook have made astute cases for why he would be a much better fit here than Gasol.
I also like Frye, but not as much as McRoberts.

[Mr. Body]

With Mills down and Ginobili possibly hampered, I feel attention should be paid to the guard corps. Though I may be jumpy.

[AFBlue]

With Mills down and Ginobili possibly hampered, I feel attention should be paid to the guard corps. Though I may be jumpy.

Beli and Joseph can take the reg season minutes as decent subs. Finding a legit fourth big and backup for Kawhi are still probably bigger needs both in the short and long term imo tbqh.

[cd021]

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[rjv]

broussard is only good for his homophobic rants...

[ceperez]

Interesting... nobody is talking about acquiring .... Andre Blatche

[palangi]

With Mills down and Ginobili possibly hampered, I feel attention should be paid to the guard corps. Though I may be jumpy.
Ginobli will be fine. He will be healed up for the season. with green starting and belli as a back up. we are ok. Manu will still get his 25 minutes a night. the injury is actually a blessing as it will keep him off the national team.

[bklynspursfan]

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[BatManu20]

I think Spurs are a long shot to get Bazemore, but it'd be a great pickup imo. OTher teams can offer him more money and PT though so I just don't see it., and with a young player like that, it's about making as much money as you can right now.

[Mugen]

Yeah, Baze would be a nice pickup considering he can provide us depth at the 1 & 2 spot with Patty and probably Manu missing a good chunk of the season.

But, hell no if it means giving him that 6mil/year deal he was rumored to get with ATL.

[Mr. Body]

Kent Bazemore = this year's Jeff Ayres?

[Dverde]

I would rather get the guy GSW traded Bazemore for...Steve Blake.

[BatManu20]

See ya, Josh

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[timtonymanu]

Damn, I was kinda hoping we get McRoberts.

[raybies]

I think Spurs are a long shot to get Bazemore, but it'd be a great pickup imo. OTher teams can offer him more money and PT though so I just don't see it., and with a young player like that, it's about making as much money as you can right now.

Spot on. And after playing more minutes and producing at the rate he did with the Lakers, means bigger payday for his next potential contract.

Atlanta just recently traded Lou Williams, so they have a need there with the back-up shooting guard slot. Here, he has an opportunity to be a rotation player for a playoff contender.

Boston has a bunch of guards -- Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Rajon Rondo, and Phil Pressey -- and the chances of him becoming a rotation player are slim. He can't afford to not build on what he did with the Lakers. Solid minute production equals better pay.

As for the Spurs, their pitch is simple, "we rest guys; guys get injured; Patty is out so you can compete for the back-up point spot with Cory. We are not promising you anything, but you will have opportunities; what you do with them depends on you."

So, Atlanta looks like the best scenario unless Kent really wants to win it all. Right now players are seeing the Spurs move in slow-motion; there's an allure to playing here. Players want to play with the best and we are currently the best.

[xmas1997]

See ya, Josh

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Not happy about this!

[raybies]

See ya, Josh

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He would match up really well with Boris if we were to see them again in the Finals.

So let me get this straight, Miami's starting lineup this year is potentially:
Shabazz Napier
Dwayne Wade
LeBron James
Josh McRobers
Chris Bosh

Substitute a Marvin Williams here or a Anthony Morrow there and what do we got? It's hard to imagine LeBron is looking at this and is saying, "wow, I can work with this."

[SpursFan86]

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[xmas1997]

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Good, rather him either come to the Spurs, first option, or stay put, second option.

[eDizzle20]

Lebron again is holding a team hostage. No one is going to sign with Miami until Lebron decides what he is going to do. One he decides everyone else well fall in place. Lol

[Spurs da champs]

See ya, Josh

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I don't mind, I don't believe McRoberts is worth the mle.

[DesignatedT]

McRoberts would be good here but lets not start overrating the guy.

[xmas1997]

I think Melo is waiting on James too, as is Bosh.
If James decides to stay in Miami, then I think Bosh will too.
However if Bosh gets impatient and bolts for Houston, then that opens the door for Miami to get both James and Melo.
Then Gasol would for sure leave L.A.

[spursparker9]

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:lol MJ

after giving Napier to Miami.

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 12m

Charlotte's increased offer to McRoberts in past 24 hours, pushing to mid-level exception, sources tell Yahoo

[baseline bum]

I still remember McRoberts in LA2. Fuck that guy.

[ducks]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 3m

Hornets are also meeting today with Jazz RFA Gordon Hayward in Charlotte amid all this fun. Michael Jordan's Charlotte HORNETS

[SpursFan86]

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[spurraider21]

Ivan Johnson is terrible :lol

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

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[xmas1997]

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30 year old PF who was born here in San Antonio.
I guess they have given up on McRoberts.
Probably given up on Gasol by now too IMHO.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

We're helping him out because San Antonio is his hometown.

[Chinook]

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Good for him.

[cd021]

Yeah, Baze would be a nice pickup considering he can provide us depth at the 1 & 2 spot with Patty and probably Manu missing a good chunk of the season.

But, hell no if it means giving him that 6mil/year deal he was rumored to get with ATL.
he's more of a 2 or 3 and it was 3 millíon a year over two. I am assuming the Spurs are offering the BAE that starts around $2.5 million.

[Robz4000]

RIP De Colo's NBA career, or rather almost-career...

[SpursFan86]

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Fuck...I really think Bosh is going to Houston.

[DesignatedT]

Wow that offer is just completely nuts. So much for Bosh. He would be an idiot to turn that down.

[ducks]

would melo take less to go to heat?
assuming wade and james sign there

[xmas1997]

If he goes anywhere else besides N.Y. he will have to take less money.
Plus he has been saying he wants to play with James.
Beyond that, no one knows, but Melo.

[Mugen]

Pretty sure HOU can only offer him 4yr/86mil. Which is still more than what Riley is willing to offer IMO. He'd be pretty silly to turn that down regardless of what LeBron does.

It would suck as it would instantly elevate HOU into the OKC/SA tier tbh.

[spursparker9]

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[Spurs da champs]

Wow that offer is just completely nuts. So much for Bosh. He would be an idiot to turn that down.
On top of that money, he gets to play with a legit center for the 1st time ever in his career.

[Baam]

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[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure I'd take $5 million to live in Russia.

Okay, I would but I'd use half of it to hire bodyguards.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Bosh to Houston is a good thing. B/c teams will want Parson in a deal for Linn. No way is a team going to pay Linn 15mil this year and not get an extra incentive to do so.

Parson was the Rockets best player against the Blazers. Funny thing, Linn was the Rockets 3rd best player that series. Bosh, Howard, ?, Harden, ?. The Rockets are just screwing themselves royally with this deal. Nearly 20 mil for a 16 and 6 guy who's defense is marginal and got outplayed by Diaw in the Finals this year.

[spurraider21]

Houston trying to go full 2012 Lakers

[Robz4000]

Pretty sure HOU can only offer him 4yr/86mil. Which is still more than what Riley is willing to offer IMO. He'd be pretty silly to turn that down regardless of what LeBron does.

It would suck as it would instantly elevate HOU into the OKC/SA tier tbh.

Nah, it would bump them over the Clippers but their awful coaching, lack of depth, and dependency on FTs would be hard to ignore. Just as bad of a match-up nightmare as Meth for the Spurs, but not in the same tier in terms of a shot at the title.

[mudyez]

If Bosh goes to Houston, Pau to OKC, Melo stays in NYC and Bron not going to Chicago or Cleveland (lets assume this team would be good), the East officially becomes the new NBDL.

[xmas1997]

Just saying, if Bosh goes to Houston, then do not be surprised if Melo and James go to Miami. Riley is a shrewd man and will make it happen IMHO.
I would not be surprised if Riley did not encourage Bosh to leave Miami tbqh.

[SpursFan86]

1) Rockets can keep Parsons and still land Bosh. They have Parsons' bird rights and can go over the cap to sign him.

2) The addition of Bosh would have a noticeable impact. He's a great defender when you're not putting him at center and forcing him to be your primary rim protector/post defender. Then obviously on offense he's become a legitimate 3-point shooter and one of the best spot-up shooters in the league.

I mean I'm not saying Bosh guarantees Houston wins it all next year...but it certainly makes them more threatening. I don't see how anyone could disagree.

[spurraider21]

1) Rockets can keep Parsons and still land Bosh. They have Parsons' bird rights and can go over the cap to sign him.

2) The addition of Bosh would have a noticeable impact. He's a great defender when you're not putting him at center and forcing him to be your primary rim protector/post defender. Then obviously on offense he's become a legitimate 3-point shooter and one of the best spot-up shooters in the league.

I mean I'm not saying Bosh guarantees Houston wins it all next year...but it certainly makes them more threatening. I don't see how anyone could disagree.
They would have to renounce parsons to give a free agent like bosh a max deal

[DesignatedT]

I mean I'm not saying Bosh guarantees Houston wins it all next year...but it certainly makes them more threatening. I don't see how anyone could disagree.

I don't think anyone is saying he doesn't fit well or doesn't help Houston. I think anyone with a brain realizes he isn't worth $100 Million Dollars though.

[raybies]

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[Vic Petro]

Bosh definitely helps Houston. But it's still a long way from a good defensive team even with him.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

1) Rockets can keep Parsons and still land Bosh. They have Parsons' bird rights and can go over the cap to sign him.

2) The addition of Bosh would have a noticeable impact. He's a great defender when you're not putting him at center and forcing him to be your primary rim protector/post defender. Then obviously on offense he's become a legitimate 3-point shooter and one of the best spot-up shooters in the league.

I mean I'm not saying Bosh guarantees Houston wins it all next year...but it certainly makes them more threatening. I don't see how anyone could disagree.

They do, but no team is going to take Linn w/o Parson. And I hardly think Parson wants to go back after seeing himself get kicked to the curb for Melo. And the Rockets screwed it up even worse by posing Melo in Linn's jersey.

I see a 3 team deal involving Miami, Rockets and ? that sends Bosh to Houston, Linn to Miami (they need a PG) and Parson to the Mavs or some other team that have the player(s) to make this work.

That is why the Spurs get players to sign for less. Its b/c they don't back stab players and throw them under the bus. They are candid and forthcoming with their players.

[kobyz]

They would have to renounce parsons to give a free agent like bosh a max deal

No, his cap hold is very small...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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Spurs are probably looking to see what Gasol does. If he signs, they wil ship Aryes out to have a roster slot available for Bonner at the Vet min. IF Gasol doesn't sign, the Spurs might just sign Bonner and keep Ayres. I believe Bonner will be back. But Aryes is probably the odd man out.

[SpursFan86]

They would have to renounce parsons to give a free agent like bosh a max deal

Why? I'm pretty sure all they'd have to do is dump Lin off somewhere (76ers already expressed interest btw). Right now Parsons' cap hold is under $3 million...he's not affecting their ability to sign Bosh as long as he doesn't go off and sign an offer sheet from another team which would affect his cap hold. They have his bird rights and the Rockets FO has explicitly stated they'd go into the luxury tax to put together a contending team.

I'm admittedly not extremely knowledgeable about the CBA, but I've read several reliable sources that say the Rockets could get Bosh and still keep Parsons. If Parsons went ahead and signed an offer sheet from another team like Dallas, however, things would change greatly.

[Mr Bones]

I can see a scenario where the Heat get better if Bosh leaves and LeBron stays.... If instead of giving Bosh 16-20 mil, they spread that out between Ariza, McRoberts, Udoh, and Aminu... none of them stars, but all effective role players-- instant depth.

[Dverde]

It would be fantastic if HOU signed Bosh to the Max, then their deal to trade Lin falls through. All the other GMs refuse to trade for Lin forcing them to lose Parsons. They deserve it putting all those poison pills in those offer sheets.

[DesignatedT]

McRoberts to Miami Full MLE.

[SpursFan86]

I think anyone with a brain realizes he isn't worth $100 Million Dollars though.

I agree. But come April/May, no one will be talking about contracts. Instead we'll be worrying about a Beverley/Harden/Parsons/Bosh/Dwight lineup. I don't know about you, but that's pretty scary.

That being said, I have doubts about their abilities to put together a half-decent bench with so much money tied up for the starters. And let's not forget they're still being coached by McHale.

Basically, I'd prefer if Houston doesn't get Bosh. That's what I'm getting at.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Spurs are probably looking to see what Gasol does. If he signs, they wil ship Aryes out to have a roster slot available for Bonner at the Vet min. IF Gasol doesn't sign, the Spurs might just sign Bonner and keep Ayres. I believe Bonner will be back. But Aryes is probably the odd man out.

or maybe Daye?

[BlackSilver]

Just saying, if Bosh goes to Houston, then do not be surprised if Melo and James go to Miami. Riley is a shrewd man and will make it happen IMHO.
I would not be surprised if Riley did not encourage Bosh to leave Miami tbqh.

Is an inflated post count the only thing you care about? This isn't even a take. Just a stream of consciousness. On what planet would Riley "encourage Bosh to leave Miami?"

[AFBlue]

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I have a strict "don't shoot the messenger" policy, but I'm honestly thinking of breaking that for you. Terrible, terrible news.

[Vic Petro]

Heat got Granger too

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[SpursFan86]

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[SpursFan86]

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[Vic Petro]

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[Mr. Body]

I don't like Bosh to Houston and Parsons to Dallas. Parsons is way too good to pair with Rick Carlysle on a team that gave us trouble.

[xmas1997]

Wow, Riley doing his magic.
Will Bosh stay?
Will James stay?

[Mugen]

Signing Granger is the equivalent of bringing Battier's corpse back for another season tbh.

[ajh18]

Pretty amazed at Granger getting the bi-annual rather than the veteran's minimum, tbh. He looked pretty done, Heat must be banking on him returning to at least some measure of his former self.

[Robz4000]

:lmao Granger
:lmao Heat

[loveforthegame]

Granger. :lol

[cd98]

Granger has taken over the Gilbert Arenas "how did he go from being so good to nonexistent at an age where he should be in his prime".

[ducks]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 59s

Heat strike deals with Josh McRoberts and, according to @WojYahooNBA, Danny Granger. LeBron, I'm told, was made aware of McRoberts pursuit

[Malik Hairston]

Bosh to Houston is much scarier on paper than it is on the court, tbh..

They have one of the 5 worst coaches in the league, no system and a high-usage star that can't play playoff basketball..Bosh would be a spot-up shooter, just like he was with the Heat..

Their defensive frontcourt would be terrifying, though..

[cd98]

Bosh to Houston is much scarier on paper than it is on the court, tbh..

They have one of the 5 worst coaches in the league, no system and a high-usage star that can't play playoff basketball..Bosh would be a spot-up shooter, just like he was with the Heat..

Their defensive frontcourt would be terrifying, though..

On paper, yes. Dwight has gotten so bad now that he is not as athletic, I'm just not a believer. As long as we can guard Harden, I'm just not as scared. Bosh can be good, but he sure disappeared in the finals. How do we know that won't happen again on a team where Harden will jack up tough shots rather than pass to his teammates?

[ceperez]

Bosh to Houston is much scarier on paper than it is on the court, tbh..

They have one of the 5 worst coaches in the league, no system and a high-usage star that can't play playoff basketball..Bosh would be a spot-up shooter, just like he was with the Heat..

Their defensive frontcourt would be terrifying, though..

Bosh to Houston would mean that either Anthony or Gasol goes to the Heat.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Chris Bosh is going to sign with the Rockets he isn't going to turn down a max deal at age 30 and he is from Texas

[SpursFan86]

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[rjv]

magic overpaid.

[BatManu20]

Better Orlando than miami or OKC. And at $8 mil/per he's overpaid now.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Hmmm

[FlAVaK]

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Well. Hopefully...

[spurraider21]

:lol Channing Frye getting more than bobo

[Anonymous Cowherd]

We've officially signed Bryce Cotton.

Not sure if that means he gets a roster spot.

[Aztecfan03]

Chris Bosh is going to sign with the Rockets he isn't going to turn down a max deal at age 30 and he is from Texas

I think only in a sign-and-trade unless they cancel the mcroberts deal.

edit: i meant to quote the person saying heat would get gasol or melo.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I think only in a sign-and-trade unless they cancel the mcroberts deal.

They don't have to "cancel" the McRoberts deal - regardless of what Bosh does. If he stays in Miami, McRoberts gets the MLE. If he goes to Houston, McRoberts' contract comes out of the cap space Miami gains from Bosh leaving.

[Spur|n|Austin]

http://i.imgur.com/DoE6KZD.jpg

[Aztecfan03]

They don't have to "cancel" the McRoberts deal - regardless of what Bosh does. If he stays in Miami, McRoberts gets the MLE. If he goes to Houston, McRoberts' contract comes out of the cap space Miami gains from Bosh leaving.
they could possibly sign gasol with the leftover money then, but not melo.

[Aztecfan03]

http://i.imgur.com/DoE6KZD.jpg
:lmao

[Kindergarten Cop]

they could possibly sign gasol with the leftover money then, but not melo.

They could sign either one, but it would have to be at a huge discount. Gasol would still be reasonably likely considering that it would be a significant pay cut compared to last year (but still considerably higher than the MLE), but it would be virtually impossible to sign Melo (who is looking at a max, or near max, deal).

[ceperez]

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Over paid not because of his talent, but because his health.

[Ron Swanson]

http://i.imgur.com/DoE6KZD.jpg

I was told there would be no math.

[xmas1997]

:lmao
That is funny, Ron. Good one.

[-21-]

http://i.imgur.com/DoE6KZD.jpg

:lmao

[spurraider21]

they could possibly sign gasol with the leftover money then, but not melo.
yeah, if bosh leaves then mcbob is just taking about 5.6 mil of cap space away

[DJR210]

http://i.imgur.com/DoE6KZD.jpg

:lmao, the irony. What a fucking genius

[Knoxxx]

The Heat would probably be much better off signing Gasol for half the salary of Bosh while letting Chris walk but shhh don't tell anybody!

[Ice009]

would melo take less to go to heat?
assuming wade and james sign there

Shit. lol. I hope Riley isn't doing what I said. I said he should lowball Bosh and let him leave if he doesn't want to come back for a cheaper contract. He's not worth the max IMO. He should then go after Melo instead. Melo's a better shooter and also even a better post player than Bosh.

[FireMicoHalili]

Over paid not because of his talent, but because his health.
played all 82 games last season. Knew he was up for a contract, had a chance, and took it. "Overpaid" a term too relative, esp when one gets accustomed to the Spurs' deft cap management.

[xmas1997]

Shit. lol. I hope Riley isn't doing what I said. I said he should lowball Bosh and let him leave if he doesn't want to come back for a cheaper contract. He's not worth the max IMO. He should then go after Melo instead. Melo's a better shooter and also even a better post player than Bosh.

This is the same thing I am worried about. But will Melo take a lesser max amount to play with James is the real question.
And all presupposes that James comes back and pushes Riley to get Melo.
Or James could take a one year contract and go to New York next year to play with Melo under Jackson, presupposing Melo stays in N.Y.

[toki9]

Per Woj:

"Toronto free agent Nando de Colo has turned down Raptors offer and will accept deal with CSKA-Moscow, league sources tell Yahoo Sports."

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/486205326778458113

[ducks]

5 million a year

[ducks]

This is the same thing I am worried about. But will Melo take a lesser max amount to play with James is the real question.
And all presupposes that James comes back and pushes Riley to get Melo.
Or James could take a one year contract and go to New York next year to play with Melo under Jackson, presupposing Melo stays in N.Y.

melo was suppose to decide this weekend has not made up mind
is james hoping bosh grows impatient

[Kindergarten Cop]

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:lol

[Kindergarten Cop]

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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine · 22m
Vibe I get out of New York, meanwhile, is legitimate unease ... given that some in the organization expected a decision from Melo by Monday

[Ron Swanson]

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Sam Amico SamAmicoFSO · 8h
Also told some others pursued by Heat (Pau Gasol, Trevor Ariza, Luol Deng) are not interested in "the small money."

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[Ron Swanson]

They're all playing chicken. Who is going to flinch first?

[Ice009]

I think the Heat want Bosh to leave, that's my opinion. I really don't think they want him back for anywhere near max money.

[Ice009]

Sam Amico SamAmicoFSO · 8h
Also told some others pursued by Heat (Pau Gasol, Trevor Ariza, Luol Deng) are not interested in "the small money."

What is "the small money"? Do they all want a lot more than the MLE?

[slick'81]

What is "the small money"? Do they all want a lot more than the MLE?

More then likely yes

[spurraider21]

the heat would be better served if they kept bosh and let Wade walk, but they won't turn their backs on wade who literally just opted out of an albatross just to help them

[Ice009]

I don't think you can screw Wade over like that as he's been there the longest. He could have left when he was a free agent before, but he stayed. I really do think that they'd like it if Bosh walked.

If Wade wants to keep Lebron there and continue being a contender, he needs to take a decent sized pay cut. 10-12M per season max, otherwise, I don't see why Lebron would want to come back with both Bosh and Wade asking for huge salaries.

[cjw]

If Bosh signs with Houston before any of the other maneuvering is done, wouldn't that put Miami under the cap even with the cap holds for Wade/Lebron ($68 less $20 for Bosh = $48). I guess they could stay above it by not renouncing any of their other free agents.

But how would a Melo signing work? They'd either have to be under the cap to sign him (no MLE = how do they make the McRoberts deal work). Or a pair of sign and trades with Houston and New York?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Sam Amico Sam (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7024)AmicoFSO · 8h
Also told some others pursued by Heat (Pau Gasol, Trevor Ariza, Luol Deng) are not interested in "the small money."

Which I thought. No one is going to play for peanuts for the Heat, especially after the Spurs showed teams the formula to beat the Heat this year.

[xmas1997]

If Bosh signs with Houston before any of the other maneuvering is done, wouldn't that put Miami under the cap even with the cap holds for Wade/Lebron ($68 less $20 for Bosh = $48). I guess they could stay above it by not renouncing any of their other free agents.

But how would a Melo signing work? They'd either have to be under the cap to sign him (no MLE = how do they make the McRoberts deal work). Or a pair of sign and trades with Houston and New York?

I think it would pave the way for James to re-sign, Melo to come aboard at a lesser max, and get Gasol at a bargain. It has been reported that Miami is low balling Bosh.
I don't know specific figures, but I do know that Riley is a very shrewd man.

[Ice009]

I think it would pave the way for James to re-sign, Melo to come aboard at a lesser max, and get Gasol at a bargain. It has been reported that Miami is low balling Bosh.
I don't know specific figures, but I do know that Riley is a very shrewd man.

That's exactly what I said Riley should do earlier in this thread.


Is it possible that the Heat are trying to get Bosh to leave so they can use that money on other players?

For example, what if they go with Gasol, Anthony, James and Wade instead? Do you guys think Bosh is worth a max contract? I don't think Miami does.

I'd try and go with this kind of lineup :

C Gasol
PF James
SF Anthony (I think he'd be an upgrade to Bosh as he's a better shooter and better in the post, he can also play some PF for them)
SG Wade (sign him to about 10M per year to have enough money to offer Gasol more than the MLE). Would that work salary cap wise? Give James and Anthony close to the max.

The main problem with this scenario is them offering contracts to McRoberts and Granger.

Edit : Can someone tell me if what I proposed would work salary cap wise? If they sign Wade to about 10M per season, and then James and Anthony close to max deals, can they still offer Gasol a bit more than the MLE? Come to think of it, I don't think it's possible under the salary cap to offer Gasol more than the MLE. I don't think they'd even have the MLE in that situation, would they?

[boutons_deux]

LEBRON TO ANNOUNCE DECISION AT UNITED NATIONS

N.B.A. superstar LeBron James said Tuesday morning that he would announce the name of the team that he is signing with on Thursday at a special session of the United Nations General Assembly to be convened especially for that purpose.

“This decision affects everyone on the planet,” James said. “I want to let all the nations on Earth know at the same time.”

An emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Tuesday was deadlocked on the issue, with seven members wanting James to remain in Miami, seven others hoping for a return to Cleveland, and Lithuania abstaining.

The Miami Heat president, Pat Riley, and the Cleveland Cavaliers owner, Dan Gilbert, both confirmed that they would be in the audience at the United Nations to hear James announce his decision. “I’m not going to lie: I wish he’d tell me in advance,” Riley said. “But I guess I’ll have to wait to hear along with Russia, China, Ecuador, and everybody else. That’s the way LeBron wants it.”

To help him with his decision, the N.B.A. star has assembled an esteemed circle of advisers, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the scientist Stephen Hawking, all of whom are expected to be in attendance for the United Nations announcement.

The U.N. General Secretary, Ban Ki-moon, acknowledged on Tuesday that the world body had many other issues on its plate, including conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, but added, “It’s really hard to focus on anything until we know where LeBron is going.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/07/lebron-to-announce-decision-at-united-nations.html?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=borowitz&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(96)

[xmas1997]

LEBRON TO ANNOUNCE DECISION AT UNITED NATIONS

N.B.A. superstar LeBron James said Tuesday morning that he would announce the name of the team that he is signing with on Thursday at a special session of the United Nations General Assembly to be convened especially for that purpose.

“This decision affects everyone on the planet,” James said. “I want to let all the nations on Earth know at the same time.”

An emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Tuesday was deadlocked on the issue, with seven members wanting James to remain in Miami, seven others hoping for a return to Cleveland, and Lithuania abstaining.

The Miami Heat president, Pat Riley, and the Cleveland Cavaliers owner, Dan Gilbert, both confirmed that they would be in the audience at the United Nations to hear James announce his decision. “I’m not going to lie: I wish he’d tell me in advance,” Riley said. “But I guess I’ll have to wait to hear along with Russia, China, Ecuador, and everybody else. That’s the way LeBron wants it.”

To help him with his decision, the N.B.A. star has assembled an esteemed circle of advisers, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the scientist Stephen Hawking, all of whom are expected to be in attendance for the United Nations announcement.

The U.N. General Secretary, Ban Ki-moon, acknowledged on Tuesday that the world body had many other issues on its plate, including conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, but added, “It’s really hard to focus on anything until we know where LeBron is going.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/07/lebron-to-announce-decision-at-united-nations.html?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=borowitz&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(96)





:lmao
Excellent post.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Can someone tell me if what I proposed would work salary cap wise? If they sign Wade to about 10M per season, and then James and Anthony close to max deals, can they still offer Gasol a bit more than the MLE? Come to think of it, I don't think it's possible under the salary cap to offer Gasol more than the MLE. I don't think they'd even have the MLE in that situation, would they?

Here is a really good article that breaks down the scenario nicely.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24610979/trying-to-get-melo-math-to-add-up-in-miami

[xmas1997]

Here is a really good article that breaks down the scenario nicely.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24610979/trying-to-get-melo-math-to-add-up-in-miami

Good find.
Of course it goes without saying that this all becomes moot if James signs somewhere else like Cleveland, and/or Melo finally signs somewhere other than Miami.

[eDizzle20]

I really hope the Spurs start considering Ed Davis as opposed to Gasol. I just have a feeling he's gonna sign with the Bulls after LeBron makes his decision. It seems all of these teams are focused on Gasol. Why not go backdoor and try to sign Ed Davis for the MLE.

[DesignatedT]

I like the idea of Ed Davis and he's obviously got potential but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Spurs typically don't like historically lazy players who don't always give effort.

[Vic Petro]

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[cjw]

Here is a really good article that breaks down the scenario nicely.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24610979/trying-to-get-melo-math-to-add-up-in-miami

In other words, the Heat are f'd if Bosh leaves because they've committed to Granger and McRoberts and may not have those exceptions (and if they get Melo they CERTAINLY would not have those exceptions).

On an unrelated note, looking at all of these FA deals, would it be insane for the Spurs to shop a guy like Green (getting paid half of what Avery Bradley is making)? He's certainly going to command at least $6-$7mm next year given where these contracts are falling out and why not hit the reset button on his roster spot similar to the Hill-Kawhi+Bertrans swap which not only was a win from a basketball standpoint but also from a financial one.

Not saying to shake up something that worked well - we all agree that Green was one of the most important players in last year's run with his stellar defense and some good shooting. Also is not something that a championship team does with a key cog unless his replacement is apparent. But is there a 1-2% chance of it happening? Sure.

[DesignatedT]

Gasol wants to get payedddddd i said.

[xmas1997]

In other words, the Heat are f'd if Bosh leaves because they've committed to Granger and McRoberts and may not have those exceptions (and if they get Melo they CERTAINLY would not have those exceptions).

On an unrelated note, looking at all of these FA deals, would it be insane for the Spurs to shop a guy like Green (getting paid half of what Avery Bradley is making)? He's certainly going to command at least $6-$7mm next year given where these contracts are falling out and why not hit the reset button on his roster spot similar to the Hill-Kawhi+Bertrans swap which not only was a win from a basketball standpoint but also from a financial one.

Not saying to shake up something that worked well - we all agree that Green was one of the most important players in last year's run with his stellar defense and some good shooting. Also is not something that a championship team does with a key cog unless his replacement is apparent. But is there a 1-2% chance of it happening? Sure.

I think they will work something out with Green due to his defense.

[spursparker9]

Gasol wants to get payedddddd i said.

That's perfectly fine as long as he don't go OKC or Miami (with James)

[ChumpDumper]

In other words, the Heat are f'd if Bosh leaves because they've committed to Granger and McRoberts and may not have those exceptions (and if they get Melo they CERTAINLY would not have those exceptions).

On an unrelated note, looking at all of these FA deals, would it be insane for the Spurs to shop a guy like Green (getting paid half of what Avery Bradley is making)? He's certainly going to command at least $6-$7mm next year given where these contracts are falling out and why not hit the reset button on his roster spot similar to the Hill-Kawhi+Bertrans swap which not only was a win from a basketball standpoint but also from a financial one.

Not saying to shake up something that worked well - we all agree that Green was one of the most important players in last year's run with his stellar defense and some good shooting. Also is not something that a championship team does with a key cog unless his replacement is apparent. But is there a 1-2% chance of it happening? Sure.If they trade Green they will immediately be looking for someone like Green.

[Malik Hairston]

In other words, the Heat are f'd if Bosh leaves because they've committed to Granger and McRoberts and may not have those exceptions (and if they get Melo they CERTAINLY would not have those exceptions).

On an unrelated note, looking at all of these FA deals, would it be insane for the Spurs to shop a guy like Green (getting paid half of what Avery Bradley is making)? He's certainly going to command at least $6-$7mm next year given where these contracts are falling out and why not hit the reset button on his roster spot similar to the Hill-Kawhi+Bertrans swap which not only was a win from a basketball standpoint but also from a financial one.

Not saying to shake up something that worked well - we all agree that Green was one of the most important players in last year's run with his stellar defense and some good shooting. Also is not something that a championship team does with a key cog unless his replacement is apparent. But is there a 1-2% chance of it happening? Sure.

Thinking about the future is fine, but it doesn't make sense to shop him right now, since you won't get anything near equal value in return, considering his current salary..the Leonard-Hill swap has worked out tremendously, but there was a huge luck factor that has benefited the Spurs in that trade..

Green's contract is extremely cheap right now when you look at what others have received in the off-season, so far(Meeks 6 per year, Gordon 4.5 per year, Bazemore rumors of 5-6 per year, Miles 5 per year), like you said..

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, trading a player who makes below the league average and shot 48% from the arc for the last 44 playoff games is usually insane.

[xmas1997]

If they trade Green they will immediately be looking for someone like Green.

And most probably better and younger.

[ChumpDumper]

And most probably better and younger.And they would be even less likely to find that player.

[xmas1997]

And they would be even less likely to find that player.

I totally agree.
I should have added less expensive too.

[SpursFan86]

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[cjw]

Seriously, trading a player who makes below the league average and shot 48% from the arc for the last 44 playoff games is usually insane.

Agreed - I'm just thinking if the team isn't going to pony up for Green next offseason (hopefully everyone blows their load this offseason) they could think about it, but would have to be blown away with a deal. Just worried that on the open market, someone offers him close to eight figures.

If they win a title next year though, I couldn't care less.

[Aztecfan03]

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So Spurs are behind three other teams and one of the top two is a long shot. So the bulls is most likely?

[vander]

I think the NBA would be better if there was less FA movement tbh.

they should get rid of the MLE, and make it so that every player's salary counts 5% less against the cap/tax for every year he has stayed on the same team...

[ceperez]

So Spurs are behind three other teams and one of the top two is a long shot. So the bulls is most likely?

The more you try to work out the scenarios, the more is seems likely that Pau signs with the Spurs for the MLE.

I can't see Gasol playing for the Bulls. There just isn't any talent in that team.

[Vic Petro]

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[marinoman]

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[DPG21920]

Sheridan is one of the biggest hacks out there.

[Vic Petro]

Agreed he's not reliable at all, but he put himself out there...

[timtonymanu]

486644296389758976

:lol Sheridan

[objective]

Agreed on Sheridan, he's desperate for attention to scrape out a living, and his reputation among NBA people has taken a hit.

I'd believe jokers like broussard or bucher over Sheridan and his site about 100 times out of a 100

[Vic Petro]

I do think he's right about the website though. Or that ridiculous app. Makes sense for him to announce on his own platform.

[Ron Swanson]

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[Dverde]

486669467179425792

They are going to give him the McBob money. MJ loves his tar heels.

[cd021]

Hopefully the Spurs move on to the next realistic combo forward available (Aminu) 7 ppg, 6 rpg at SF last season for the Pelicans in 25 mpg. 6'8 1/2, athletic and along arms. Could possibly be had to the BAE ($4.2 million over two years) if there is an opt out after the 1st season. Or if Gasol declines, we could offer him most of the mid level exception (i.e 2yrs/$6-7 million).

Gives us a versatile defender off the bench that can guard Durant, Lebron, & Melo (especially valuable when KL gets into foul trouble or injured or play small ball PF without losing rebounding with possibly Diaw at the 5.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Hopefully the Spurs move on to the next realistic combo forward available (Aminu) 7 ppg, 6 rpg at SF last season for the Pelicans in 25 mpg. 6'8 1/2, athletic and along arms. Could possibly be had to the BAE ($4.2 million over two years) if there is an opt out after the 1st season. Or if Gasol declines, we could offer him most of the mid level exception (i.e 2yrs/$6-7 million).

Gives us a versatile defender off the bench that can guard Durant, Lebron, & Melo (especially valuable when KL gets into foul trouble or injured or play small ball PF without losing rebounding with possibly Diaw at the 5.

Aminu would be awesome to get and like you said hopefully he might be content with the BAE...

I may be wrong but I haven't heard of Aminu drawing much interest from other teams which would help to keep his asking price down...

[TheGoldStandard]

The Aminu interest will pick up after the big names do something. I bet some team will offer him some big bucks and he'll take it regardless if he fits or not

[spurraider21]

is sheridan basically another incarcerated bob/darren connolly type of guy that just throws shit on the wall and has no real sources, gets a couple of guesses right and everybody think's he's an insider?

[cd021]

didn't Brussard report Lebron was likely going back to Cleveland as well?

[Holden_Caulfield]

theres also 90% chance I'm gonna bang Jennifer Lawrence :wakeup

[Kindergarten Cop]

didn't Brussard report Lebron was likely going back to Cleveland as well?

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[Kindergarten Cop]

theres also 90% chance I'm gonna bang Jennifer Lawrence :wakeup

Good for you. :toast

[Kindergarten Cop]

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[xmas1997]

:lol
Well that settles it then. If both Broussard and Sheridan say James is going back to Cleveland, then he for sure is going to Miami.

This may be a ruse by James to leak false info to get Bosh to hurry up and commit to Houston.

[Va Spur]

Aminu would be a good back up SF/ small ball PF and a WFU guy to boot.

[BatManu20]

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[Bartleby]

Vegas now has the Cavs at 10-1 to win it all.

[cd021]

Hypothetically, if he does go back to Cleveland, the Cavs still aren't much of a contender. They would have to go all out for Kevin Love.
The Wolves would probably want something like:

Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, 2015 1st rounder (maybe more picks), and Varejao

For Kevin Love & Kevin Martin

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgghzbh

Cavs

PG-Irving/Jack
SG-Martin/Wiggins
SF-James/Wiggins
PF-Love /(vet min player)
C-Zeller (or vet min player)
that would give them 12 players and $73.3 million in salary.
they could sign 3 veteran min. players

maybe Rashard Lewis, Chris Anderson and Caron Butler

T-Wolves would get 3 rookie scale players with some upside,along with a 1st rounder. Varejao is a very good backup big man or starter, if he can play alongside Pekovic.

they'd have 14 players for $64.5 million with Bennett on a team option after next season and Varejao (as potential trade bait later on with his expiring contract)



(http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgghzbh)

[BatManu20]

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Don't believe any of this tbh. Still think he stays in miami, even if it is on a short-term deal.

[BatManu20]

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Jordan going after every Carolina guy apparently.

[cd021]

theres also 90% chance I'm gonna bang Jennifer Lawrence :wakeup

Close the deal:toast:lmao

[LakerHater]

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[cd021]

:lol
Well that settles it then. If both Broussard and Sheridan say James is going back to Cleveland, then he for sure is going to Miami.

This may be a ruse by James to leak false info to get Bosh to hurry up and commit to Houston.

Great point. I also believe that Melo is waiting on Bosh to decide on Houston. So he can sign with Miami and play with Lebron. Not the brightest idea given Miami would have no decent big men who can defend and score a basketball and Wade and Anthony are poor defenders along with Allen, if he returns.

Houston would be legit if they nab Bosh.

Dan Le Bbatard stated that there has been absolutely no info leaked by Lebrons camp or his agent, so most of their sources are speculation from front offices. Cleveland believes that they have a chance after meeting with his agent and that how this got going.

[cd021]

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Woj with the instant credibility... that's now 3 different sources reporting that Cleveland in the mix.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hypothetically, if he does go back to Cleveland, the Cavs still aren't much of a contender. They would have to go all out for Kevin Love.
The Wolves would probably want something like:

Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, 2015 1st rounder (maybe more picks), and Varejao

For Kevin Love & Kevin Martin

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgghzbh

Cavs

PG-Irving/Jack
SG-Martin/Wiggins
SF-James/Wiggins
PF-Love /(vet min player)
C-Zeller (or vet min player)
that would give them 12 players and $73.3 million in salary.
they could sign 3 veteran min. players

maybe Rashard Lewis, Chris Anderson and Caron Butler

T-Wolves would get 3 rookie scale players with some upside,along with a 1st rounder. Varejao is a very good backup big man or starter, if he can play alongside Pekovic.

they'd have 14 players for $64.5 million with Bennett on a team option after next season and Varejao (as potential trade bait later on with his expiring contract)



(http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lgghzbh)

For starters, they have to dump Jack to sign LBJ. And then I doubt Minne would trade Love for that pu-pu platter - they'd want Irving, and of course the Cavs would balk at that.

I still think Love will be a Dub - Warriors are insane for even thinking about Thompson/Lee for Love. You do it in a heartbeat.

[SpursFan86]

Woj with the instant credibility... that's now 3 different sources reporting that Cleveland in the mix.

We've known Cleveland is in the mix for a while now. The question is whether he'll be able to turn his back on Miami/Pat Riley after making 4 consecutive Finals and winning 2 titles. I'd personally like to see him go back to Cleveland just from a basketball fan standpoint, but I just don't see him leaving Miami after having all of this success. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[SpursFan86]

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Looks like Pat is getting desperate. Who the hell wants Chalmers?

[cd021]

I maybe mistaken but reports that Miami used the MLE and BAE on McBob and Granger is inaccurate. They don't have any cap holds at the moment so they only have cap space and no exceptions.

I'm assuming they signed both for the cash value of the exceptions instead of the actual exceptions (using them as a reference point) they only should have $2.8 in committed cap to Hamilton and Cole.

[TheGoldStandard]

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Looks like Pat is getting desperate. Who the hell wants Chalmers?

This league is full of dumbass GM's

[Kindergarten Cop]

I maybe mistaken but reports that Miami used the MLE and BAE on McBob and Granger is inaccurate. They don't have any cap holds at the moment so they only have cap space and no exceptions.

I'm assuming they signed both for the cash value of the exceptions instead of the actual exceptions (using them as a reference point) they only should have $2.8 in committed cap to Hamilton and Cole.

What do you mean? Why wouldn't they have cap holds on James, Wade, Bosh, etc?

EDIT: They have over $87K in cap holds between The Big 3 + Haslem, Battier, Chalmers, and Allen.

[objective]

There have been zero reports of the heat renouncing the rights to anyone that I've seen, so yes, they would have exceptions.

[cd021]

For starters, they have to dump Jack to sign LBJ. And then I doubt Minne would trade Love for that pu-pu platter - they'd want Irving, and of course the Cavs would balk at that.

I still think Love will be a Dub - Warriors are insane for even thinking about Thompson/Lee for Love. You do it in a heartbeat.

Jack can be pretty easily moved. If Minny want better deal, only the Celtic and Suns can offer a better one. I think OKC could if they were motivated enough to do so.

I think its Thompson/Lee/Barnes for Love and Martin.

Dubs think they are giving up too much and they don't want Martin because of potential, cap issue down the line.

If that deal is accurate then GSW is clearly giving up too much. That the backup SF, starting SG and PF on a playoff team for Love.

Thompson is a stud. If he weren't playing alongside Curry and Iggy he'd probably putting up 23 ppg.

[objective]

is sheridan basically another incarcerated bob/darren connolly type of guy that just throws shit on the wall and has no real sources, gets a couple of guesses right and everybody think's he's an insider?

He's a guy who used to be a journalist covering the NBA for a real media outlet (ESPN?). But he left (quit/downsized/fired) and started his own website to cover the NBA. But he's finding it hard to make money, so he has to chase clicks to get advertising revenue to support himself, which leads to a bunch of outlandish, attention seeking desperation screeches.

[eDizzle20]

If Lebron goes back to Cleveland and they trade for Love that is an impressive lineup that would be good through Lebron's next contract. You can't say the same for Miami with Wade and Bosh.

[cd021]

What do you mean? Why wouldn't they have cap holds on James, Wade, Bosh, etc?

EDIT: They have over $87K in cap holds between The Big 3 + Haslem, Battier, Chalmers, and Allen.

I though because they opted out that there would be no cap holds. I guess that's not the case then.

[anakha]

I though because they opted out that there would be no cap holds. I guess that's not the case then.

IIRC, the cap holds disappear if the team renounces their rights, not if they opt out.

Miami wouldn't do that because the cap would then hamstring them more if they wanted to resign all three.

[ajh18]

If Lebron goes back to Cleveland and they trade for Love that is an impressive lineup that would be good through Lebron's next contract. You can't say the same for Miami with Wade and Bosh.

Agree. Love, Irving, Lebron (even if they lose Wiggins) is a stronger, younger core than Bosh, Wade, Lebron. If they manage to keep Wiggins, that's another level of young talent Miami can't match. Add a Varejao, and the always-down-to-coat-tail Ray Allen, and that's a nice mix of veterans and youth that could walk through the East as easily as the Heat have.

[spurraider21]

IIRC, the cap holds disappear if the team renounces their rights, not if they opt out.

Miami wouldn't do that because the cap would then hamstring them more if they wanted to resign all three.
they still hold their bird rights, and the ability to hand out 5 year contracts + higher raise increments. waiving their rights would mean they have zero advantage in resigning them

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[Chinook]

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He's a great fit there. The Hornets were fools to trade away their dust chip, though.

[SpursFan86]

Hayward is a good fit for Charlotte, but not for the max. I have a feeling Charlotte threw way too much money at him. It'll be interesting to see if Utah puts their money where their mouth is and matches the offer regardless of the amount.

[BatManu20]

Unless the deal is outrageous, I think Utah matches pretty much anything Charlotte offers him anyways.

[TheGoldStandard]

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Decent move by the Hornets. Him and Jefferson should be a nice little combo.

[SpursFan86]

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Looks like I was right. Utah shouldn't match.