Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[Jelly]

She didn't want to comment, initially. When prodded a little bit by the reporter she said that to say she was disappointed would be a huge understatement.

Manny, that sound right?

*strenuously withholding the urge to go off on another anti-Blanco tirade*

[MannyIsGod]

um...there is no time for Carnival to be "considering a request". Geez, just do it. Carnival has to consider its ships and whether or not it can afford to do something like this. If you were a shareholder of or someone who worked for Carnival, you would want them to be prudent about it. Would you like your cmopany to go under because they were being good samaritans? Jesus.

[SWC Bonfire]

Those wind loads are what determines what amount of water will be pushed in. The winds are the driving force behind the surge.

Well, I would imagine that a certain pressure drop would cause a certain rise in flooding. The problem is: how large (how widespread) is this storm? A category 4 can have high winds and low pressure over a very small area. It can also be hundreds of miles wide. This GREATLY affects how much flooding occurs, along with how much area is in the storm surge floodplain. The amount of water, along with the volume it is trying to occupy is very variable, even within the same classification of storm.

Another variable is storm speed and rainfall accumulation. So saying the levies were designed for a cat 3 storm is a bit misguiding.

[j-6]

um...there is no time for Carnival to be "considering a request". Geez, just do it.

re: Carnival

I got an email with their new Katrina specials going out of Galveston yesterday morning. They wasted no time with that one.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Blanco thinks the ACoE dropped the ball on the levee situation.

Tell her to get a construction science degree and then she can talk. Shut up and lead. She had plenty of chances in her position to heed the warnings of all the scientists who said something needed to be done to better protect New Orleans, but couldn't be bothered.

Quit trying to scapegoat the ACoE. If she was really expecting them to stop a whole lake from trying to pour through a 500 ft. wide gap she was kidding herself to begin with.

[j-6]

*strenuously withholding the urge to go off on another anti-Blanco tirade*

Hell, do it. In contrast, it's interesting how much respect Nagin is getting from WWL and WDSU.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, I would imagine that a certain pressure drop would cause a certain rise in flooding. The problem is: how large (how widespread) is this storm? A category 4 can have high winds and low pressure over a very small area. It can also be hundreds of miles wide. This GREATLY affects how much flooding occurs, along with how much area is in the storm surge floodplain. The amount of water, along with the volume it is trying to occupy is very variable, even within the same classification of storm.

Another variable is storm speed and rainfall accumulation. So saying the levies were designed for a cat 3 storm is a bit misguiding.
Pressure drops have nothing to do with storm surge. That is a false assumption people make a lot of the time. And the area of a storm really doesn't come into play that much when determining hte height and amount of storm surge.

A storm with catagory 4 winds will have storm surge equivlant to those winds along anywhere those winds are. A larger storm will cover more area but the height of the storm surge won't increase, you'll just have a larger area with the same height.

And rainfall amounts don't usually go up with the storm catagories. Rainfall amounts and they flooding they may cause are usually insignificant when compared to the surge coming in.

The ACoE should have prepared for a catagory 5 storm surge. There really isn't much else to say about it.

[SWC Bonfire]

Quit trying to scapegoat the ACoE. If she was really expecting them to stop a whole lake from trying to pour through a 500 ft. wide gap she was kidding herself to begin with.

Reality setting in... no way you stop that amount of force. Don't people realize this? A locomotive has nothing on flowing water.

[Spurminator]

WWLTV needs to win some awards for their coverage. Its been outstanding. From the blog they are running, to their on air/live feed coverage. It's been awesome.

I agree 100%.

They are the calming, uniting voice of this disaster. Informative, and not sensational. Such a valuable service.

[MannyIsGod]

Per Cnnmoney.com


BREAKING
NEWS Oil tumbles nearly $2 a barrel to about $68 in late New York commodities trading. More soon.

[j-6]

Tell her to get a construction science degree and then she can talk. Shut up and lead. She had plenty of chances in her position to heed the warnings of all the scientists who said something needed to be done to better protect New Orleans, but couldn't be bothered.

Quit trying to scapegoat the ACoE. If she was really expecting them to stop a whole lake from trying to pour through a 500 ft. wide gap she was kidding herself to begin with.

There's plenty of blame to be spread around, and in hindsight she'll get more than her share. So will the ACoE. I just hope the absolute maximum effort is being put forth into rescue and all these pipe dreams of cutting off the lake (which most of use were saying 20+ hours ago) are being abandoned.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and about my above post on storm surge...

The area of a storm does effect the amount of water because as the areial coverage of the surge itself goes up, so does the entire volume of water. But it does not effect the height and amount in a given space, it just increases the space the surge occours in.

Am I being clear?

[Jelly]

The ACoE should have prepared for a catagory 5 storm surge. There really isn't much else to say about it.

How much more would that have cost and was New Orleans willing to pay for it. I imagine they probably built whatever they could with whatever budget they were given.

[SWC Bonfire]

I hope one result of this is more local engineering input by people vested in local interests than the autocratic (and bureaucratic) COE.

[j-6]

WWL Blog:

1:12 P.M. - WWL-TV's Josh McElveen describes the stench coming from the bathrooms in the Superdome as horrific.

Anyone have a solid number on how many people are really in there?

[MannyIsGod]

1:12 P.M. - WWL-TV's Josh McElveen describes the stench coming from the bathrooms in the Superdome as horrific.

1:03 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Medical ship on the way to New Orleans.


Which brings up yet another question. How long untill health amount the people trapped begins to deteriorate? Between the unsanitary conditions and the stress, I can't imagine many people have much of an immune system left.

[MannyIsGod]

How much more would that have cost and was New Orleans willing to pay for it. I imagine they probably built whatever they could with whatever budget they were given.
Projects by the ACoE are federally funded (I think), so that cost and how much NO was willing to pay is a non issue.

Besides, what is the point of building a system of protection that doesn't protect you against a very likely situation. A catagory 5 or even 4 storm is far from out of the question for a place like NO. In fact, it is a very likely and inevitable situation.

[MannyIsGod]

I've heard 20,000-60,000, so no.

[MannyIsGod]

1:19 P.M. - (AP) Mayor Ray Nagin says at least hundreds of people are dead -- maybe thousands -- in New Orleans.


We all knew this was coming...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

1:19 P.M. - (AP) Mayor Ray Nagin says at least hundreds of people are dead -- maybe thousands -- in New Orleans.

[j-6]

We all knew this was coming...


If that number stays in the hundreds, it'll be a miracle.

[Manu20]

flood Statement
National Weather Service New Orleans-baton Rouge La
Issued By National Weather Service Mobile Al
115 Pm Cdt Wed Aug 31 2005

...catastrophic Flooding Continues In The New Orleans Area...

Water Levels In The City Of New Orleans Continue To Rise. All
Indications Are That Water Levels Will Continue To Slowly Rise This
Afternoon.

As Rescue And Relief Efforts Continue For Stranded Victims...the
Important Thing Is To Remain Calm And Follow The Directions Of Local
Officials So That You Do Not Hinder Such Efforts. If You Are
Instructed To Leave New Orleans By Authorities...then Do So!

If You Are Reading This Message Outside Of New Orleans...do Not Go
There. Additional People Will Only Complicate The Aforementioned
Rescue And Relief Efforts. If You Are On Higher Ground In The Midst
Of This Flooding And You Happen To Receive This Message By Whatever
Means...do Not Assume The Water Level Will Not Continue To Rise Over
Your Location. Be Prepared To Quickly Seek Higher Ground.

Finally...and If You In The Midst Of The Flooding In Progress...be
Especially Cautious Of Dangerous Sharp Objects That Are Under The
Water Surface And/or Holes That Could Cause You To Suddenly Be Over
Your Head. If Possible...try To Avoid The Contact Of Cuts And
Scrapes On Your Body To The Flood Waters.

Medlin

$$

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There's plenty of blame to be spread around, and in hindsight she'll get more than her share. So will the ACoE.

You're talking about a wall of water that put tanker ships half a mile inland, that picked up a 6 story casino building off its foundation and moved it 300 yards.

And you're expecting sandbags to stop that kind of thing?

Manny, I suspect that part of the deal with the levees is that they concluded in a direct hit by a cat 5 hurricane (they are saying the surge was cat5 level) they were fucked anyway.

[j-6]

http://www.cnn.com/

> BREAKING NEWS
Federal officials declare public health emergency for entire Gulf Coast. Details soon.

[SpursWoman]

Hell, do it. In contrast, it's interesting how much respect Nagin is getting from WWL and WDSU.



But he cried in public, how can that be?

[MannyIsGod]

You're talking about a wall of water that put tanker ships half a mile inland, that picked up a 6 story casino building off its foundation and moved it 300 yards.

And you're expecting sandbags to stop that kind of thing?

Manny, I suspect that part of the deal with the levees is that they concluded in a direct hit by a cat 5 hurricane (they are saying the surge was cat5 level) they were fucked anyway.
That is quite possible. Perhaps cat 3 was the best protection they could offer.

[j-6]

You're talking about a wall of water that put tanker ships half a mile inland, that picked up a 6 story casino building off its foundation and moved it 300 yards.

And you're expecting sandbags to stop that kind of thing?

Manny, I suspect that part of the deal with the levees is that they concluded in a direct hit by a cat 5 hurricane (they are saying the surge was cat5 level) they were fucked anyway.


Actually, I'm talking about what a waste of time it was to even jack with this once the levees were breached. They'll both (ACoE, Blanco) catch shit for using resources better used for rescue operations to precision throw sandbags at a gap the size of a football field.

[j-6]

1:28 P.M. - WWL-TV's Mike Hoss said the corner I-10/Causeway interchange has turned into a massive first aid station.

Is that where they were launching rescue ops from yesterday?

[MannyIsGod]

The guy just said there was no water in Kenner. Not much damage.

[j-6]

Have you guys seen the viewer pictures on WWL's website?

http://www.wwltv.com/weather/pix/

[MannyIsGod]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=New+Orleans&ll=29.991813,-90.245132&spn=0.141524,0.240704&hl=en

Thats where Kenner is. Good news for some people at least.

[Jelly]

Richard Zuschlag from Acadia Ambulance service says desperate help needed from Federal government and is asking for urgent attention from Bush. He is practically pleading on CNN. It should never get to that point where rescue workers have to plead. Sad.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://forms.belointeractive.com/sharedcontent/datafiles/1125489882650_ORIGINAL_Katrina_023.jpg

Sooooooo.... anyone know how to get a 150000 ton oil tanker off dry land?

[j-6]

My God, look at the reporter in Slidell.

[1369]

Sooooooo.... anyone know how to get a 500 ton oil tanker off dry land?

A half dozen track mounted hydraulic shears and a shit pot full of cutting torches.

[SWC Bonfire]

Just got a report from someone who has family in Grand Isle, and they still have electricity and water, but no phones.

[MannyIsGod]

Richard Zuschlag from Acadia Ambulance service says desperate help needed from Federal government and is asking for urgent attention from Bush. He is practically pleading on CNN. It should never get to that point where rescue workers have to plead. Sad.
Ok, I'm starting to get annoyed. Do you guys not realize the level of mobilization it takes?

Bush is paying attention, I'm sure. But he can't wave a magic wand and make everything happen. Damn, you guys are forcing me to defend W, and that is pissing me off.

[Spurminator]

Damn, you guys are forcing me to defend W, and that is pissing me off.

Welcome to my world.

I think it's natural in a time of emotional crisis like this to make some possibly irrational statements, particularly when you're that close to everything. I would just hate to see that kind of stuff sensationalized, whether by the Left as another voice of dissent or by the Right as some kind of enemy who can just die for all we care.

[SWC Bonfire]

Sooooooo.... anyone know how to get a 500 ton oil tanker off dry land?


A half dozen track mounted hydraulic shears and a shit pot full of cutting torches.

Probably easier to dig a canal and float it out. That's a lot of metal!

[MannyIsGod]

Man, I'd hate to be the person dating Jelly. She has expectations that are beyond insane. You can't cry and you have to respond faster than anyone else is able.

[Spurminator]

Sooooooo.... anyone know how to get a 500 ton oil tanker off dry land?

Make it a museum and sell tickets?

[1369]

Probably easier to dig a canal and float it out. That's a lot of metal!

Nah, what fun would that be? Besides, after you dig the canal you'd have to wait a few months for the Coast Guard to declare it seaworthy.

You could have that thing stripped, cut, run through a hyper shredder, and on its way to a melt shop in 6 weeks.

[Spurminator]

Make it a museum and sell tickets?

Or a casino.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, I bet some of you were the best kids at building forts. :lol

[samikeyp]

Man, I'd hate to be the person dating Jelly. She has expectations that are beyond insane. You can't cry and you have to respond faster than anyone else is able.

That is odd...most women don't prefer you to "respond faster than anyone else" :lol

[sa_butta]

Man, I bet some of you were the best kids at building forts. :lolI use to turn my room into a fort with blankets and clothspins, does that count for anything.

[j-6]

Or a casino.

Either that or housing.

[1369]

Wonder if anyone has gone on board that and claimed salvage rights?

[Spurminator]

Either that or housing.

Combine both... Give em jobs and a place to stay.

Screw this, I'm quitting and becoming a city planner.

[j-6]

Just got a report from someone who has family in Grand Isle, and they still have electricity and water, but no phones.


The reporter on WWL is telling people not to come back to Grand Isle or Slidell. Glad to hear those folks you're talking about are OK. Hopefully there's plenty others in that area are the same.

[Jelly]

Man, I'd hate to be the person dating Jelly. She has expectations that are beyond insane. You can't cry and you have to respond faster than anyone else is able.

Manny, I'm not yet convicting Bush (and I'm not a Bush hater). I'm sharing what I heard from a very desperate sounding rescue worker. From his perspective, it seems that they are not getting what they need from the feds. I don't know if that's accurate or not. Do any of us really know if our government is responding adequately? Maybe they are... but maybe they aren't. If they aren't, that is not acceptable.

[SWC Bonfire]

Wonder if anyone has gone on board that and claimed salvage rights?

I think it has to be officially declared abandoned, or meet some specific critera that make it abandoned. Maybe someone else is more versed in maritime law.

[Jelly]

Man, I'd hate to be the person dating Jelly. She has expectations that are beyond insane. You can't cry and you have to respond faster than anyone else is able.

:lol
and if you ask me I'm the most reasonable, level-headed person on this board.

[MannyIsGod]

I have no doubt the federal government including one W is responding as best it can.

[MannyIsGod]

Some information from Jeff Masters:



Why did the New Orleans flood walls fail?
The 325-mile long series of flood walls and levees surrounding New Orleans were engineered to withstand the storm surge from a Category 3 hurricane. No Category 3 or higher hurricane has hit New Orleans in the past 150 years, a strange quirk one would not expect based on the pattern of hurricane strikes elsewhere along the Gulf Coast. New Orleans should get a Category 3 hurricane passing within 80 miles every 32 years, a Category 4 hurricane every 70 years, and a Category 5 hurricane every 180 years. However, the strongest hurricanes ever to hit the city were two Category 2 hurricanes--a 1893 hurricane that killed 2000, and Hurricane Betsy of 1965, which killed 75 and put parts of the city under 8 feet of water. Hurricane Camille, although it was a Category 5 hurricane and took almost the same track as Katrina, was a very small hurricane with hurricane force winds extending out only about 50 miles from the center. Camille brought 100 mph gusts to the eastern side of New Orleans. Katrina was a huge storm whose hurricane force winds extended a full 110 miles from the center, and probably brought 130 mph wind gusts to the same area. Katrina piled up a much larger storm surge wave onto the flood walls than Camille. According to the Army Corps of Engineers, "What failed were actually floodwalls, not levees. This was caused by overtopping which caused scouring, or an eating away of the earthen support, which then basically undermined the wall. These walls and levees were designed to withstand a fast moving category 3 hurricane. Katrina was a strong 4 at landfall, and conditions exceeded the design."

And just a reminder that hurricane season still has 2 solid months left to go....



The tropics today
The most significant threat in the tropics I can see is the potential this weekend for a tropical depression to develop in the coastal waters surrounding Florida. This is the same location that Katrina developed. However, this time the development might come at the tail end of a cold front that is expected to push off of the East Coast, instead of from a tropical wave.

Now, this is just going to show how much forcasting has come with the new computer models we are using. It's pretty awesome.

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/history/GFS_AF_SURPRE_288.gif

That is the 12 day model projection for August 19. In other words, what today looks like. The prediction on the map is 3 tropical cyclones out in the mid atlantic.

Here is what is out there right now:

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/history/aug31.gif



Tropical Depression 13 is nothing to worry about, as it is over the open Atlantic Ocean and heading out to sea. The well-organized wave 1300 miles east of the Lesser Antilles will probably become Tropical Depression 14 in the next day or two, but it is probably too far north to threaten any land areas. This system will probably recurve out to sea. The tropical wave that pushed off of the coast of Africa yesterday and is now south of the Cape Verdes Islands has some potential for development later in the week, and the GFS model projects that this wave will become a hurricane and a potential threat to the Leeward Islands a week or so from now.

As you recall, mid-August was a time of relative quiet in the tropics, but the GFS model was calling for an end to this quiet period. The 12-day GFS forecast called for 3 tropical cyclones for August 31. Well, the GFS was correct in calling for an end to the quiet period! While there is only one tropical cyclone (TD 13) out there, the other two strong tropical waves seen in the satellite image above certainly have the potential to become tropical depressions over the next few days. The GFS did miss the formation of Katrina, but the general 12 day forecast showing a big increase in hurricane activity was pretty accurate.
I really hate to imagine another hurricane hitting the same area before the season is over, but it is quite possible.

[Spurminator]

Even a heavy storm would exponentially worse than normal at this point.

[Marklar MM]

Hope they don't get all the hurricanes in a row that Florida got.

[j-6]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.impact/top.1458.wave.orleans.pool.jpg

[Jelly]

I have no doubt the federal government including one W is responding as best it can.

You have no doubt that the federal government is responding as best they can but have every doubt that the ACoE is responding as best they can?

(I'm guessing you're one of the posters who have been calling them a bunch of idiots...too lazy to check...apologies if that wasn't you)

[MannyIsGod]

This is Steve Gregory's last email. He's a meteorologist, but he does a lot of work with the private energy sector in regards to forcasts so he's talking about things he knows



MAJOR events and actions being taken by the U.S.GOV'T today - have enabled energy markets to tumble.
A News Conference of unprecedented proportions by virtually every major branch of Gov't -- from the Secretary of Transportation, Director of the CDC, the Pentagon, Cabinet members and the list goes on, has just concluded. All came together to insure the Country that the response to this unprecedented catastrophe is being addressed aggressively.

Until about 9AM - energy markets were rising on the continual stream of bad news regarding real shortage and infrastructure issues. The reversal came sharply and intensely starting with the official release of the SPR, comments by OPEC to help in every way they can, the FED remaining cautiously optimistic that the economy is strong, but does stand ready to take whatever actions are needed to insure stability (aka lower rates), and then the above News conference.

All of this resulted in a huge sell-off in every energy market except gasoline. Gasoline is truly in short supply given the lack of refinery production that will last for a month at least. Some of the very people reassuring Americans that everything is 'under control' etc -- also mentioned that it might be a good idea to stay home this Labor day weekend and have a BBQ versus driving a long distance for the holiday weekend. So from 10AM until about 20 minutes ago oil had tumbled from$71.70 down to $67.80 - a $4 move in 3 hours. But in the final 20 minutes of trade, prices across the entire energy complex has begun to recover, with oil just over $69.

Natural gas prices that hit $12.30/bcf, fell to $11.20 before recovering to $11.50

This remains a VERY emotionally driven market complex -- but the fundamentals tell the truth. There is a major shortage developing in certain product categories, and the cost of dealing with it will be phenomenal. It goes beyond the estimated $30bil it will take to cleanup the damage caused by Katrina -- but there still some very big unknowns in certain areas regarding how much permanent damage has been done to some platforms and pipelines -- and how long it will take to restore power to many areas. Estimates of 2-6 weeks are being made -- that's quite a range. And several refineries remain under water -- so it is not a stretch to think we are looking at a major reduction in oil and gas production will exist for the next 45-60 days.

There could be a permanent loss of several bcf of NG per day for the next 6 months, and probably a 5% reduction in total domestic oil production for the next 4-12 months on average. There is no way to fill the gap for NG gas via imports, but all other refined products can be imported. The real question is, at what price? It costs extra money to bring in products and oil from the other side of the world versus producing it in your own backyard. And it is not as if the world has plenty of extra oil and refined products to go around to whoever needs it.

One final comment regarding the release of oil from the SPR -- what didn't get broadcast to the world -- but is in fact the true story -- is that they will allow oil companies to 'borrow oil from the SPR, and then pay it back with 'interest' when things stabilize'. Pay me now, or pay me later -- we didn't just find cheap or 'extra' oil.

Below a few comments on the overall economic impact as seen by the DJ Editor

Steve

[T Park]

these poor people.

Finally got a truck getting them some water.

Some people like Jelly gotta understand.

This is an ENORMUS situation.

You can plan and plan and plan.

But like the old saying goes

it never prepares you for the real thing.


Communication is REALLY difficult.


Shepard Smith right now, telling a state trooper, "You need to come to 235 exit and HELP these people"


Shep Smith is the best...

[Jelly]

[QUOTE=T Park]these poor people.

Finally got a truck getting them some water.

Some people like Jelly gotta understand.

This is an ENORMUS situation.

You can plan and plan and plan.

QUOTE]

You guys are totally misunderstanding my posts. I give up....

[SWC Bonfire]

(I'm guessing you're one of the posters who have been calling them a bunch of idiots...too lazy to check...apologies if that wasn't you)

I'm one. I've had my own personal beefs with the COE. They are kneejerk idiots.

[Jelly]

T Park,
apply that comment to the group of posters bitching about what a bunch of incompetent fools the Army Corps of Engineers are and critisizing their every move.

[1369]

Manny, what you put in bold isn't exactly true, I read about the repayment deal on CNN Money this morning.

And I still don't understand why the release of the SPR would make any difference. Before Katrina we were at close to peak refining production and now with some refineries out of service, what is going to be done with the oil if there is no where to refine it?

[Ginofan]

Some information from Jeff Masters:
Tropical Depression 13 is nothing to worry about, as it is over the open Atlantic Ocean and heading out to sea. The well-organized wave 1300 miles east of the Lesser Antilles will probably become Tropical Depression 14 in the next day or two, but it is probably too far north to threaten any land areas. This system will probably recurve out to sea. The tropical wave that pushed off of the coast of Africa yesterday and is now south of the Cape Verdes Islands has some potential for development later in the week, and the GFS model projects that this wave will become a hurricane and a potential threat to the Leeward Islands a week or so from now.

My waves I was talking about yesterday to you, still look pretty. Hmm, the NHC said that the wave off the Lesser Antilles could possibly be upgraded to TD 14 as soon as later today...but both Steve Gregory and Jeff Masters have said one or two more days off an on...guess we'll find out. At least they forecast one of them building up into a hurricane...sucks that it will threaten land but I'd still like to see it develop.

[j-6]

EOC conference room broadcast talking about the nine hospitals running out of fuel for the emergency generators, no power, no plumbing, and waiting for evacuation.

Those hospital workers are amazing. My hat's off to 'em.

[Vashner]

Those stupid V22 Osprey.... we have like 7 of them parked in Corpus but they can't land ... or because they are in testing..

I say we use them....

If we had used the money on new CH47's instead they could land or hover to rescue... waste of money.

[j-6]

Is that guy on WWL using Google Earth?

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, what you put in bold isn't exactly true, I read about the repayment deal on CNN Money this morning.

And I still don't understand why the release of the SPR would make any difference. Before Katrina we were at close to peak refining production and now with some refineries out of service, what is going to be done with the oil if there is no where to refine it?
Well, we've lost more production than refining if I understand correctly. So they can offset the production losses for now.

[MannyIsGod]

My waves I was talking about yesterday to you, still look pretty. Hmm, the NHC said that the wave off the Lesser Antilles could possibly be upgraded to TD 14 as soon as later today...but both Steve Gregory and Jeff Masters have said one or two more days off an on...guess we'll find out. At least they forecast one of them building up into a hurricane...sucks that it will threaten land but I'd still like to see it develop. Yeah, the one farthest to the east is the one that I'm worried about. That one could come up through the carribean and with the ridge across Texas not being what it was a few weeks ago, all bets are off.

But thats still way off in the future. Weeks at the least.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I use to turn my room into a fort with blankets and clothspins, does that count for anything.


i still do. :oops

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

According to the Army Corps of Engineers, "What failed were actually floodwalls, not levees. This was caused by overtopping which caused scouring, or an eating away of the earthen support, which then basically undermined the wall. These walls and levees were designed to withstand a fast moving category 3 hurricane. Katrina was a strong 4 at landfall, and conditions exceeded the design."

I think Cosmic and I both called this a few pages back.

That earthen area behind the levies got washed out, and when it did they had no backing to support the walls against the water.

Game over.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.impact/top.1458.wave.orleans.pool.jpg

Here's what I don't understand. A news chopper took this pic. Take five minutes out of your day taking photos, come in, hover a little bit above the roof (like a foot) and pick them up and give them a lift to the emergency center.

Personally I think all the news chopper pilots should be helping pluck people from roofs instead of just flying around taking photos.

[T Park]

I agree 100% Aggie.

Id much rather see pictures of an empty town due to everyone being saved, than pics of people saying HELP US

[j-6]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.impact/top.1458.wave.orleans.pool.jpg

Here's what I don't understand. A news chopper took this pic. Take five minutes out of your day taking photos, come in, hover a little bit above the roof (like a foot) and pick them up and give them a lift to the emergency center.

Personally I think all the news chopper pilots should be helping pluck people from roofs instead of just flying around taking photos.


Good point.

[Shelly]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.impact/top.1458.wave.orleans.pool.jpg

Here's what I don't understand. A news chopper took this pic. Take five minutes out of your day taking photos, come in, hover a little bit above the roof (like a foot) and pick them up and give them a lift to the emergency center.

Personally I think all the news chopper pilots should be helping pluck people from roofs instead of just flying around taking photos.


I was just thinking the same thing.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, you guys called it earlier. Crazy stuff man.

[MannyIsGod]

To be fair, I don't think its that easy to keep a helicopter floating that close to the structure. The people would have a hard time with all the air coming down off the rotors. It's just not that easy.

I think you end up putting both your aircraft, crew, and passangers at risk as well as the people stranded. Let the rescuers do their work, they'll get there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I mean think about it. It's been two days since the shit hit the fan, and people need rescuing.

Who knows the last time they ate or got anything to drink and it's 100 degrees down there today.

There aren't enough helicopters in all the Navy, AF, Marines, CG, and National Guard to deal with the number of people who need help.

This is one of the things that pisses me off about journalists. I remember back when SA had all the big floods news choppers actually stepped up and helped rescue people.

You've got good samaritans down there in their own boats driving around helping people.

The pictures are amazing, but step up to help your fellow man, you can still bring a cameraman along if that's your thing.

[Jelly]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.impact/top.1458.wave.orleans.pool.jpg

Here's what I don't understand. A news chopper took this pic. Take five minutes out of your day taking photos, come in, hover a little bit above the roof (like a foot) and pick them up and give them a lift to the emergency center.

Personally I think all the news chopper pilots should be helping pluck people from roofs instead of just flying around taking photos.

The same thought enters my mind when I see footage of starving African children...surely, the news crew could give them a sandwich?

[MannyIsGod]

:lol Oh man.

[SpursWoman]

The same thought enters my mind when I see footage of starving African children...surely, the news crew could give them a sandwich?


Unless his wife packed a few million of them in his lunch box, that would likely incite a riot. But I've thought the same thing. :)

[T Park]

The same thought enters my mind when I see footage of starving African children...surely, the news crew could give them a sandwich

Of course.....

Jelly curious, when have you gone to Africa to donate sandwiches JC?

[ChumpDumper]

Too dangerous to pick them up that way.

Maybe they could drop them some water and food though....

[Jelly]

In all serious, I'm not a helicopter pilot but I don't think it's that easy to just swoop in and grab people.

[T Park]

Minetta just said

144 Generators have been shipped, as have 13.4 Million gallons of fresh water.

[j-6]

5300 prisoners still in flooded area waiting for evacuation.

[SpursWoman]

Too dangerous to pick them up that way.

Maybe they could drop them some water and food though....

They could go to what's left of a Walmart and loot a couple of swings and some heavy rope. :)


Or hell, even a grocery cart and let them jump in....kind of like what they are doing already.

[Jelly]

Of course.....

Jelly curious, when have you gone to Africa to donate sandwiches JC?

never. (but I do sponsor a boy in Zaire.)

What is your point? I am not actually critisizing the news crews in Africa. I'm just saying it's a fleeting thought that crosses my mind sometimes.
I think you totally miss the meaning behind just about every one of my posts, so why don't you just ignore them?

[j-6]

BET's holding a telethon on the 9th?

[Extra Stout]

I really hate to imagine another hurricane hitting the same area before the season is over, but it is quite possible.
Well, by the time that thing would make landfall in the Gulf, if it even went there, they already would have evacuated everybody they could. It would just be rearranging rubble.

Right now a Category 4 or 5 in Galveston Bay would bring the United States to its knees.

[CosmicCowboy]

Mayor: Katrina may have killed thousands

By BRETT MARTEL
Associated Press Writer




NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday - an estimate that, if accurate, would make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

"We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."

The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city.

There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said.

Most of those storm refugees - 15,000 to 20,000 people - were in the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of last resort," the mayor said.

Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated.

The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief operation.

Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.

If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 to 6,000.

A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.

"We are looking at 12 to 16 weeks before people can come in," Nagin said on ABC's "Good Morning America, "and the other issue that's concerning me is we have dead bodies in the water. At some point in time the dead bodies are going to start to create a serious disease issue."

With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm refugees to the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away, in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no choice but to clear out.

"The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic essentials."

Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.

The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole.

"The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out of flooded neighborhoods.

On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.

In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to ferry sick and elderly residents.

Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said they were being shot at overnight.

The sweltering city of 480,000 people - an estimated 80 percent of whom obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend - had no drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were ransacking stores around town.

Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across southern Louisiana.

In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories - boats the agency uses to house its own employees.

A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while waiting for rescue boats.

"I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air Tuesday.

All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of survival and of those who didn't make it.

"Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing lights. It was complete chaos."

Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said.

A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief.

The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but first and foremost is search and rescue," she said.

In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.

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Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

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[Jelly]

Unless his wife packed a few million of them in his lunch box, that would likely incite a riot. But I've thought the same thing. :)

thanks Spurswoman. For (sort of) understanding the gist of my comment, which was actually meant as a joke....not to be taken literally. As for the rest of you... :rolleyes

[T Park]

5300 prisoners still in flooded area waiting for evacuation

This may sound calous, but, Id save the law abiding citizens, before Id save murderers rapists, and other people like that.

[T Park]

Just wondering...


Will France, Germany, and other countries donate money to the Louisiana and Mississippi area like the Tsunami area??

If they dont, can we accuse them of being Mizers, like they accused our govt after we donated hundreds of millions

[T Park]

Thats a joke??

So funny I forgot to laugh......

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Right now a Category 4 or 5 in Galveston Bay would bring the United States to its knees.

I was actually talking with a client today that if ever there was a time for OBL to go after Houston Harbor (if he had a plan like that), this is it.

[j-6]

This may sound calous, but, Id save the law abiding citizens, before Id save murderers rapists, and other people like that.


That's an interesting dilemma. What if you left all the prisoners, including DWI and petty theft offenders, for last if at all, but you saved all the looters?

But then again you're leaving the prisoners outside waiting in the complete lawless mess in New Orleans.

[nkdlunch]

Just wondering...


Will France, Germany, and other countries donate money to the Louisiana and Mississippi area like the Tsunami area??

If they dont, can we accuse them of being Mizers, like they accused our govt after we donated hundreds of millions

the richest country in the world which spends millions a day in Iraq, needs financial help???

[SpursWoman]

thanks Spurswoman. For (sort of) understanding the gist of my comment, which was actually meant as a joke....not to be taken literally. As for the rest of you... :rolleyes


I know exactly what you meant....I've even hollered that at the TV. :oops :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Jelly,

During the SA flooding back in the 90s I watched a news chopper pilot bring his chopper down to where the blades were cutting the tops of the trees so they could rescue someone.

And you're saying that they couldn't hover just above the roof top to get people up on the chopper? or at the least drop them some food and water?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

the richest country in the world which spends millions a day in Iraq, needs financial help???

Asshat political forum.

[1369]

I was thinking about this today, and did post something about it a while back, but the latest series of events is shockingly parallel to an FX program aired a few months a while ago called "Oil Storm".

A disaster to Houston/Galveston would be something like one economics guy said today, "Lobbing a hand grenade into an already delicate situation."

[nkdlunch]

Asshat political forum.

just wondering :)

[T Park]

BTW,

next time some people want to make fun of "carnies' or circus people or whatever.

Our organization that represents carnivals is taking a collectiong for the Hurricane.

and the 3 days they have raised 300 thousand.


My family, and the carnival we contract with have spearheaded the drive, and have gotten phenomenal response.


So next time you want to make fun of, rip up, or bad mouth a carnival??

Remember that.

[1369]

Jelly,

During the SA flooding back in the 90s I watched a news chopper pilot bring his chopper down to where the blades were cutting the tops of the trees so they could rescue someone.

And you're saying that they couldn't hover just above the roof top to get people up on the chopper? or at the least drop them some food and water?

I remember that, that was when the school bus load of kids got caught up in a flash flood and the KENS helicopter pilot (ex-Vietnam chopper pilot) dropped in a few times to get folks out.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl083105bushdamage.114d6821.html

Damn, Air Force One flew over NO at 2500 feet, Mississippi at 1700 feet. That had to be something to see.

[Jelly]

This may sound calous, but, Id save the law abiding citizens, before Id save murderers rapists, and other people like that.

Of course.....

T Park curious, when have you ever saved anyone JC?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

BTW,

next time some people want to make fun of "carnies' or circus people or whatever.

Our organization that represents carnivals is taking a collectiong for the Hurricane.

and the 3 days they have raised 300 thousand.


My family, and the carnival we contract with have spearheaded the drive, and have gotten phenomenal response.


So next time you want to make fun of, rip up, or bad mouth a carnival??

Remember that.

That's awesome Tpark, but you're still a circus freak :lol

[nkdlunch]

BTW,

next time some people want to make fun of "carnies' or circus people or whatever.

Our organization that represents carnivals is taking a collectiong for the Hurricane.

and the 3 days they have raised 300 thousand.


My family, and the carnival we contract with have spearheaded the drive, and have gotten phenomenal response.


So next time you want to make fun of, rip up, or bad mouth a carnival??

Remember that.

I like the simpsons episode where the carnies take over their house :lol

[T Park]

the richest country in the world which spends millions a day in Iraq, needs financial help???


Louisiana and Mississippi are countries???

Interesting NKD

but way to insert your stupid politics into it.

[Jelly]

actually, I'm not curious. You get on my nerves. I get on yours. Let's just ignore each other, shall we?

[samikeyp]

I saw that movie, 1369...and thought the same thing.


I was actually talking with a client today that if ever there was a time for OBL to go after Houston Harbor (if he had a plan like that), this is it

I read a magazine (Time I think) article about a "what if" situation of a dirty bomb going off in the Houston Ship Channel....frightening.

[SpursWoman]

the richest country in the world which spends millions a day in Iraq, needs financial help???



If something this devastating happened to your country the US would be absolutely first in line to offer whatever assistance you needed. So STFU.

[nkdlunch]

Louisiana and Mississippi are countries???

Interesting NKD

but way to insert your stupid politics into it.


my bad but I thought they were part of the USA?

[T Park]

when have you ever saved anyone JC

never have had the oppurtunity.

But I give about 30% of my net income to charities, does that count??

(Waits for Duff to come in and say that doesnt mean shit)

[MiNuS]

the richest country in the world which spends millions a day in Iraq, needs financial help???

it depends what you consider "rich". If you live in a nice gated community,have a Mercedes,and have courtside tickets to all the Spurs home games but owe all that to some financial institution,in other words if you're in dept up to you ass,then you may look rich but you're far from from it!

same thing with our economy.

[T Park]

They are.


But so what. So we cant accept money cause were helping an oppresssed nation??

Interesting logic there dumbass.



but you're still a circus freak

am not :P

[CosmicCowboy]

But I give about 30% of my net income to charities, does that count??

Hookers don't count as charities TPark...

[j-6]

[quote=TPark]But I give about 30% of my net income to charities, does that count??[quote]

Hookers don't count as charities TPark...


He's just helping them through college, so I suppose that counts.

[j-6]

Uh-oh...


WWL Blog:
3:18 P.M. - WWL-TV's Thanh Truong reports the water from the Lake is rising to meet with the River in Uptown.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=New+Orleans&ll=29.991813,-90.245132&spn=0.141524,0.240704&hl=en

[Jelly]

And you're saying that they couldn't hover just above the roof top to get people up on the chopper? or at the least drop them some food and water?

No I'm not saying that, Aggie. (and actually, my comment had to do with picking the people up, not dropping food) Like I said, I'm not a helicopter pilot. And unlike a lot of people on this board, I'm not trying to present myself as an expert on this or anything else.

who knows, maybe they did toss them some food and water.

[T Park]

Hookers don't count as charities TPark...

and your bullshit stories about being with 3 women cops at once doesn't count as advice either.



And unlike a lot of people on this board, I'm not trying to present myself as an expert on this or anything else.


Then why are you saying

"The govt should do this, blah blah blah"

[Extra Stout]

my bad but I thought they were part of the USA?Remind me what country you're from?

[T Park]

Germany and the UK have offered help.

Thank you to them. They have long memories obviously.

This expert on Fox right now, has said that some countries have said within their country

"Screw them, they pollute the world, they created their own mess"

Hahaha.......

Obviously I dont think Sri Lanka or any of the poor countries dont need to help, I mean realisticly thats not right.


France says, "If they ask it will be answered"

Big of em....

[nkdlunch]

So we cant accept money cause were helping an oppresssed nation??


:lmao

[nkdlunch]

If something this devastating happened to your country the US would be absolutely first in line to offer whatever assistance you needed. So STFU.

my bad. My point was that countries around the world probably see how much money is being spent in Iraq and might think USA has enough to cover the disasters. Won't be bugging u guys w/this anymore. Didn't mean to upset the candyasses :)

[j-6]

Germany and the UK have offered help.

Thank you to them. They have long memories obviously.

This expert on Fox right now, has said that some countries have said within their country

"Screw them, they pollute the world, they created their own mess"

Hahaha.......

Obviously I dont think Sri Lanka or any of the poor countries dont need to help, I mean realisticly thats not right.


France says, "If they ask it will be answered"

Big of em....

Didn't Venezuela of all fucking places step up to the plate first?

[T Park]

Typical intelligent response.


BTW, Neil Cavuto has mentioned companies that are helping.

Cingular is setting up FREE calling stations in Mississipi and Louisiana

Nissan has donated 50 trucks to Mississippi

GM has donated 25 cars to Louisiana

GM has lifted load deadlines for that area.

Anheisur Busch has donated 825 thousand cans of water.

Other companies did some stuff, but he ran through it too damn quick.

[T Park]

probably see how much money is being spent in Iraq and might think USA has enough to cover the disasters. Won't be bugging u guys w/this anymore. Didn't mean to upset the candyasses

once again, were helping out less fortunate, so, we should pay for it ourselves.

Well if your included with "Them"

A big FUCK YOU, and next time you need help??

a big GET FUCKED.

[MiNuS]

Typical intelligent response.


BTW, Neil Cavuto has mentioned companies that are helping.

Cingular is setting up FREE calling stations in Mississipi and Louisiana

Nissan has donated 50 trucks to Mississippi

GM has donated 25 cars to Louisiana

GM has lifted load deadlines for that area.

Anheisur Busch has donated 825 thousand cans of water.

Other companies did some stuff, but he ran through it too damn quick.

Fox,eh?

Tpark I can see right through you. Neo-con!

[T Park]

Didn't Venezuela of all fucking places step up to the plate first

I havent heard that.

This was all coming from an interview with a writer from the London Times..

[T Park]

Of course.

Neo Con?? Exactly what is that?

Im a conservative yeah.

This is a fuckin hurricane thread, stop derailing it.

[Clandestino]

The carnies donated 1 zipper, 1 gravitron and 10 ferris wheels

[nkdlunch]

once again, were helping out less fortunate, so, we should pay for it ourselves.

Well if your included with "Them"

A big FUCK YOU, and next time you need help??

a big GET FUCKED.

ask u for help? :lol I'll ask you for help when I need to take over a house Carnie!!! yeah I've seen the simpsons, I know what u guys do!

[Jelly]

The carnies donated 1 zipper, 1 gravitron and 10 ferris wheels

and one bearded lady

[T Park]

Typical childish idiotic responses from the people here...


yeah I've seen the simpsons, I know what u guys do!

What are you, 12?

[nkdlunch]

The carnies donated 1 zipper, 1 gravitron and 10 ferris wheels

:lol

[nkdlunch]

Typical childish idiotic responses from the people here...



What are you, 12?
no

invert the numbers, multiply them by 2 divide that by 3 and add 12 if you can. You freaking moron

[j-6]

These stories from the folks getting off the Chalmette tugboat are horrible. Bandits on Jet-Skis?

[Clandestino]

These stories from the folks getting off the Chalmette tugboat are horrible. Bandits on Jet-Skis?

bandits on jet skis? haven't heard it.. sounds like waterworld

[MiNuS]

webspace is being looted here on SpursTalk,I am getting out of here!!

[Jelly]

Amazing helicopter rescue footage on MSNBC right now. U.S. Coast Guard kicks ass.

[samikeyp]

Quote:





Didn't Venezuela of all fucking places step up to the plate first




I havent heard that.

I did...pretty funny. We should take him up on it...assuming he was serious.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, put the pissing match aside or take it to another thread.

[j-6]

> BREAKING NEWS
10,000 more National Guard troops are being called up for duties on the Katrina-ravaged Gulf Coast, CNN confirms. Details soon.

[T Park]

no

invert the numbers, multiply them by 2 divide that by 3 and add 12 if you can. You freaking moron

so at 57 your still a dumbass.


Just goes to show, age=knowledge.

Go to hell.

[tw05baller]

no

invert the numbers, multiply them by 2 divide that by 3 and add 12 if you can. You freaking moron

26

[samikeyp]

bandits on jet skis? haven't heard it.. sounds like waterworld

AAAHH!!! Smokers! :p
http://www.fanlistings.org/kevin_costner/images_new/waterworld/kevin_costner_waterworld_1.jpg

[j-6]

Quote:






I did...pretty funny. We should take him up on it...assuming he was serious.

I just saw in another thread that gas in Caracas, Venezuela is 12 cents a gallon. Hell yeah, let's take him up on it!

[T Park]

10,000 more National Guard troops are being called up for duties on the Katrina-ravaged Gulf Coast

Good, hopefully they can help hose poor people walking out of the water....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

3:55 P.M. - 40-year veteran photographer Willie Wilson: Maybe one other time in my career did I shoot pictures crying.

3:54 P.M. - Wilson: People were passing out in the heat in front of me.

3:52 P.M. - Chalmette man. I spent 40 hours on a roof then God sent a boat from a neighbor's house floating by and we took it to safety.

[samikeyp]

Hose down people who are soaking wet? Seems a little redundant, don't you think?

[Jelly]

Good, hopefully they can help hose poor people walking out of the water....

I really don't think these people need to be hosed right now, T Park.

[SpursWoman]

once again, were helping out less fortunate, so, we should pay for it ourselves.

Well if your included with "Them"

A big FUCK YOU, and next time you need help??

a big GET FUCKED.




I'm with you on that one, TPark. :)

[T Park]

THOSE

pardon me.....

[CosmicCowboy]

and your bullshit stories about being with 3 women cops at once doesn't count as advice either.

uhhhh dumbass...that was user making a joke...I never posted anything like that.

[T Park]

funny you posted it first...

You cant take a joke either??

Wahhhhhhh.....

[T Park]

A reporter in Mississippi reporting that some are going into people's houses, stepping over their dead bodies, and looting their houses.

Quote from a policeman "Id like to shoot em, tag em with the nametag LOOTER, and leave em there"

Amen.

[CosmicCowboy]

funny you posted it first...

You cant take a joke either??

Wahhhhhhh.....

I will donate $100 to the Red Cross in your name if you can find anywhere I posted about hitting it with three women cops.

[j-6]

What did WWL just say about LSU accepting Tulane students for free? UNO and Loyola get love, too?

[T Park]

I will donate $100 to the Red Cross in your name if you can find anywhere I posted about hitting it with three women cops.

I dunno, I heard it in the chat room one night someone was joking about you.

Never read it.

[samikeyp]

A reporter in Mississippi reporting that some are going into people's houses, stepping over their dead bodies, and looting their houses.

Quote from a policeman "Id like to shoot em, tag em with the nametag LOOTER, and leave em there"

Hell yes.

[SpursWoman]

Hose down people who are soaking wet? Seems a little redundant, don't you think?


If those people have cuts or scrapes from getting to safe *roofs* and have gotten into the dirty, infected with-God-only-knows-what water, it might be a good idea to clean them off to hopefully stave off infections before they can get proper medical attention.

At least that's my opinion.

[j-6]

Here's a list of corporate donations from cnn.com;

Amerada Hess says it is contributing $1 million to the American Red Cross to assist the disaster relief efforts resulting from Hurricane Katrina. In addition, the Company will match individual employee donations to the American Red Cross for its use in responding to this tragedy.

Anheuser-Busch says it had shipped 12,600 cases of drinking water to the Red Cross to be distributed to victims in affected areas of Louisiana.

Bayer Corp has committed $2 million in cash and product donations and will match employee donations to the Red Cross.

BI-LO/Bruno's supermarkets will match up to $25,000 in employee and customer donations to the American Red Cross.

Exxon Mobil will donate $2 million to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund. Its is also donating fuel to government responders.

Fannie Mae has mortgage relief provisions in place for borrowers in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida and other states facing hardships as a result of widespread damage caused by Hurricane Katrina.

Ford Motor Credit Company is offering customers affected by Hurricane Katrina the opportunity to defer up to two vehicle payments.

Freddie Mac has extended its mortgage relief policies for borrowers affected by Hurricane Katrina in locations declared Major Disaster Areas by President Bush.

General Motors is contributing $400,000 to the American Red Cross and matching employee donations up to $250,000. GM will also donate 25 vehicles for use by the American Red Cross.

Harrah's Entertainment will establish an Employee Recovery Fund with $1 million and will provide Biloxi, Gulfport and New Orleans casino employees with their regularly scheduled base pay for up to 90 days.

Home Depot will donate $1.5 million to various relief organizations including the American Red Cross and The Salvation Army. The home improvement retailer will set up six temporary support centers to provide reconstruction materials.

JP Morgan Chase will donate $1 million to the American Red Cross and will match employee donations up to $1 million.

Lowe's Companies will match in-store customer contributions up to $1 million. The company says it has truckloads of emergency supplies staged and ready for relief efforts along the Gulf Coast. Lowe's also says its more than 1125 stores nationwide will serve as official cash donation sites to benefit the American Red Cross disaster relief fund.

Nissan North America will donate $500,000 to the Red Cross and will provide 50 full-size trucks to the Mississippi Emergency Management Agency.

Office Depot pledged to contribute $1 million to the American Red Cross.

Target announced a $1.5 million donation to the American Red Cross. The company said in a statement that it was also coordinating the distribution of essential relief products requested by the Red Cross, including water, ice, energy bars and bug spray.

Thrivent Financial for Lutherans has pledged $1 million to Lutheran relief agencies and will match member contributions.

Wal-Mart Stores says it will donate $1 million to the Salvation Army for relief assistance such as meals for victims and emergency and rescue personnel.

Winn-Dixie stores announced a program where people can make donations in for Hurricane Katrina victims at south east stores. The program is called "Neighbors Helping Neighbors."

[samikeyp]

If those people have cuts or scrapes from getting to safe *roofs* and have gotten into the dirty, infected with-God-only-knows-what water, it might be a good idea to clean them off to hopefully stave off infections before they can get proper medical attention.

At least that's my opinion.

That I would agree on.

[T Park]

lol i didnt mean to hose them down.

But, with what S Dub said, and as hot as it is, I dont think it would hurt...



Hell yes.


Hell Yes for the cop, or hell yes for the looter...

[Clandestino]

WOW! ford is really stepping up to the plate on this one! :lmao

Ford Motor Credit Company is offering customers affected by Hurricane Katrina the opportunity to defer up to two vehicle payments.

[Shelly]

Target announced a $1.5 million donation to the American Red Cross. The company said in a statement that it was also coordinating the distribution of essential relief products requested by the Red Cross, including water, ice, energy bars and bug spray.

Man, if Target matched SW's and my spending habits at their stores, they could rebuild all 3 states!

[nkdlunch]

no

invert the numbers, multiply them by 2 divide that by 3 and add 12 if you can. You freaking moron


so at 57 your still a dumbass.


Just goes to show, age=knowledge.

Go to hell.

57???

:lmao :lmao :lmao

can't even do simple math you fucking idiot!

[Jelly]

57???

:lmao :lmao :lmao

can't even do simple math you fucking idiot!

yet one more thing T Park sucks at :lol

[T Park]

Anheuser-Busch says it had shipped 12,600 cases of drinking water to the Red Cross to be distributed to victims in affected areas of Louisiana

Theyve shipped more than that.

Its over 800 thousand..

[Clandestino]

carnies only speak in dollar bills!

[SpursWoman]

Ford Motor Credit Company is offering customers affected by Hurricane Katrina the opportunity to defer up to two vehicle payments.


That's mighty generous of them, considering most will do that for any reason.


And considering that financed Ford is probably at the bottom of Lake Ponchartrain or the Gulf of Mexico, I'm thinking it's not really going to help out State Farm or Geico that much. :fro

[T Park]

hijacking the thread again.

STFU Jelly and NKD if you cant add anything shit.

[Jelly]

...and you guys should lighten up on NKLunch. As far as I can tell, he is the only non-American on this forum who has even shown an interest in this disaster.

[T Park]

Maybe Ford doesnt understand that, alot of the cars they are deffering payment on?

ARE GONE.

So your gonna make someone pay for a destroyed car??


How about just forgiving the ones that you find out are shot.

[Jelly]

hijacking the thread again.

STFU Jelly and NKD if you cant add anything shit.

:lol :lol :lol

[T Park]

and you guys should lighten up on NKLunch. As far as I can tell, he is the only non-American on this forum who has even shown an interest in this disaster.

Hes also the only nonamerican that has ripped up our country, so no, I wont lighten up.


Slomo is lurking, and hes a great "nonamerican"

[samikeyp]

Hell Yes for the cop, or hell yes for the looter...

hell yes for the cop.

[SpursWoman]

Man, if Target matched SW's and my spending habits at their stores, they could rebuild all 3 states!


No shit. :lmao

[T Park]

Right on Mikey...

I knew you were a correct thinking guy, dunno why I doubted that.... :)

[puffytaco]

Amazing helicopter rescue footage on MSNBC right now. U.S. Coast Guard kicks ass.

yes, we do kick ass! thanks for saying so. These guys are working their asses off. I haven't heard anyone else here give them any kind of credit. Thanks for the love, dude :tu

[T Park]

Coast Guard, our Millitary.

They are the best.

People don't appreciate them enough no question.

[nkdlunch]

Hes also the only nonamerican that has ripped up our country, so no, I wont lighten up.


I probly pay more taxes and pollute less in this country than that retard TPark dude.

Look at how much he's polluting this thread w/his mentally challenged posts?

[SpursWoman]

I probly pay more taxes and pollute less in this country than that retard TPark dude.

Look at how much he's polluting this thread w/his mentally challenged posts?


WTF does any of that or the war in Iraq have to do with the devastation in Louisianna, Mississippi & Alabama?

[Shelly]

I probly pay more taxes and pollute less in this country than that retard TPark dude.

Look at how much he's polluting this thread w/his mentally challenged posts?

Why does he think you don't live in the USA?

[T Park]

I probly pay more taxes and pollute less in this country than that retard TPark dude

What does this have to do with the people in LA MS and AL????

[nkdlunch]

Hes also the only nonamerican that has ripped up our country, so no, I wont lighten up.


Slomo is lurking, and hes a great "nonamerican"

what does this have to do w/it either? moron

[Jelly]

As much as I hate Ron Reagan, he's highlighting Navy rescue efforts right now. Those guys are also doing an amazing job. Check it out on MSNBC.

[Samr]

I read a story comming from a helicopter piolet, who said that some people would sit on their roofs and wave the rescue copters down. Then, when the guy went down to get them, they would refuse to leave.

Apparently, it is "fun" and "acceptable" to see how many rescue helicopters you can flag down in a single day.

Fuck them.

[j-6]

I read a story comming from a helicopter piolet, who said that some people would sit on their roofs and wave the rescue copters down. Then, when the guy went down to get them, they would refuse to leave.

Apparently, it is "fun" and "acceptable" to see how many rescue helicopters you can flag down in a single day.

Fuck them.


That sucks. I haven't heard that one yet. Those fuckers can stay and get looted, then.

[Extra Stout]

News reports from Indonesia:

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) -- The scenes of devastation from the Gulf Coast are all too familiar to survivors of the December tsunami in Asia.

A World Bank executive in Sri Lanka says she prays and hopes not many women in the U.S. will suffer as she has. She lost her brother in the December 26 tsunami that raked over Asian nations. She and others have strong memories of the event when they see the destruction left by Hurricane Katrina.

An Indonesian man who lost his wife the tsunami says he would like to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina, but all he has is prayers.

Another man, who lost his wife and daughter in December, says, "God has made us equals in birth, life and death."

Though damage from Katrina is enormous, the rising death count is far short of the 200-thousand dead or missing following the tsunami.

[SpursWoman]

As much as I hate Ron Reagan, he's highlighting Navy rescue efforts right now. Those guys are also doing an amazing job. Check it out on MSNBC.


I'm so unbelievably happy that they've brought out the big guns to speed the S & R up......I'm stuck at work, any word on how many they've been able to get to today?

[Extra Stout]

The looters are going to get theirs.

Many of them think that they'll just refuse the evacuation orders, hide from the authorities, and have the run of the city all to themselves with their loot.

There will be nobody left to help them when they start getting sick. They won't have it as easy as the ones who drowned.

[samikeyp]

You are right Stout. Kori said it best, God has something waiting for them.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, by the time that thing would make landfall in the Gulf, if it even went there, they already would have evacuated everybody they could. It would just be rearranging rubble.

Right now a Category 4 or 5 in Galveston Bay would bring the United States to its knees.
Don't be so sure about that buddy. If the tail end of the trough develops in the bahamas area, it could head into the gulf within a week.

[MannyIsGod]

thanks Spurswoman. For (sort of) understanding the gist of my comment, which was actually meant as a joke....not to be taken literally. As for the rest of you... :rolleyes
I got it! Thats why I laughed!

[Jelly]

I got it! Thats why I laughed!

wow. that makes two people who actually understood one of my posts!
:elephant :elephant :elephant

[MannyIsGod]

News reports from Indonesia:

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (AP) -- The scenes of devastation from the Gulf Coast are all too familiar to survivors of the December tsunami in Asia.

A World Bank executive in Sri Lanka says she prays and hopes not many women in the U.S. will suffer as she has. She lost her brother in the December 26 tsunami that raked over Asian nations. She and others have strong memories of the event when they see the destruction left by Hurricane Katrina.

An Indonesian man who lost his wife the tsunami says he would like to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina, but all he has is prayers.

Another man, who lost his wife and daughter in December, says, "God has made us equals in birth, life and death."

Though damage from Katrina is enormous, the rising death count is far short of the 200-thousand dead or missing following the tsunami.
The world cares. There's just not much the rest of it can do for us that we can't do ourselves.

[Extra Stout]

Don't be so sure about that buddy. If the tail end of the trough develops in the bahamas area, it could head into the gulf within a week.Anyone who isn't out of New Orleans in the next two or three days will probably die from dehydration, unless they drink the filth, in which case they'll die from cholera or dysentery.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I agree on the looters.

1. The city is filling up with water. Sucks to be them.

2. No water, no food for a month. Good luck eating that 27" tv you just stole.

[Jelly]

Anyone who isn't out of New Orleans in the next two or three days will probably die from dehydration, unless they drink the filth, in which case they'll die from cholera or dysentery.

death by cholera, dysentery, or dehydration.
well, I guess it's nice to have options.

[MannyIsGod]

Anyone who isn't out of New Orleans in the next two or three days will probably die from dehydration, unless they drink the filth, in which case they'll die from cholera or dysentery.
True, good points.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Shit, did y'all hear about Iraq? They had a bunch of people on their way to a religious service that got out of control when someone shouted suicide bomber and part of a bridge collapsed. 800 dead.

Crazy.

[Faccia di Angelo]

An Indonesian man who lost his wife the tsunami says he would like to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina, but all he has is prayers.

Another man, who lost his wife and daughter in December, says, "God has made us equals in birth, life and death."
Though damage from Katrina is enormous, the rising death count is far short of the 200-thousand dead or missing following the tsunami.

wow, so simple but so true. That brought tears to my eyes when thinking of everything. I didn't realize the extent of this catastrophe, not until I really started watching the news this morning. I feel so bad for all those people. Its completely horrific. My sister's boyfriend has family there in Lousiana and I called him to see how they were. He said thankfully they were all okay, they were farther away from the damage.
I never got to go to NO either and wanted to one day. I kept hearing how much fun it was, just like I wanted to see the twin towers but never got that chance. I know I've been complaining about gas prices and money and other things in life at the moment but compared to what those people are going through right now, and will go through, it makes me feel bad. Makes you kinda count your blessings.
Every single one of them is in my thoughts and prayers. May God Bless them.

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/weather/0508/map.new.orleans/images/new.orleans5.gif

Thought that graphic by CNN was good.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, there's a drilling platform wedged in the sand at Dauphin Island that was 60 miles out to sea when Katrina came in.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

For those asking about donations and helping, just got this from my sister...

http://www.fema.gov/press/2005/resources_katrina.shtm

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Jesus, can someone tell CNN that the "new levee break" they are reporting about is the 17th street levee break that has flooded the city?

Again, the super-wide levee break that we've gotten to see since yesterday afternoon was the Industrial canal breach.

I know that they at least have Fox on somewhere in their newsroom, buy a freakin' clue.

[Jekka]

For those asking about donations and helping, just got this from my sister...

http://www.fema.gov/press/2005/resources_katrina.shtm

Margaret Cho posted the following on her blog today in lieu of donations:

Red Cross (http://www.redcross.org/) Noah's Wish (http://www.noahswish.org/)
Teamsters (http://www.teamster.org/benefits/disasterrelief/disasterrelief.htm) Louisiana SPCA (http://www.la-spca.org/forms/donations.htm) Humane Society of Southern Mississippi (http://www.hssm.org/)

[Jelly]

Ray Nagin has just ordered 1500 police officers off search and rescue and ordered them to control the looting problem. So for those of you who think the looting should be ignored, obviously the mayor disagrees.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The problem with the looting right now is that people are getting mugged, shot, etc. in the city by looters.

FNC had several reports of looters going into homes of people who survived and robbing them at gun point, etc.

Why couldn't the assholes doing this shit have drowned?

[Vashner]

Another reason to pack heat...
Laser on the chest... the universal language...

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, people getting robbed is not looting. Thats flat out armed robbery. What fucks man.

[Ginofan]

CNN says there are 10,000 National Gaurd Troops being sent to the area to help the police in the area control looting. 10,000 seems a bit much for looting...Wouldn't they be more useful in contributing to the rescue efforts?

[Old School Chic]

I agree with Ginofan.

They need to concentrate more on the rescue efforts before It starts getting any worse then It already Is.

I just hope this situation helps others around the country understand that when they tell you to evacuate they mean for your ass to evacuate... I'm sure a lot more people would have survived this disaster If only they would of taken the warnings seriously.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Gulf oil rig/facilities update from a friend in the business...


Gulf Coast damage:

· VLO Saint Charles refinery (West of New Orleans) off-line for 2 weeks (power, clean-up)

· Supposed to be 4-5 feet of floodwater on grounds of COP 250kbopd Belle Chasse refinery (just East of New Orleans).

· Mississippi River closed for barge traffic below Baton Rouge, but potentially reopening today.

· Companies just getting out today to assess offshore damage (rigs, platforms, pipelines, etc). Hampered by fact that staging areas like Venice and Fourchon still basically underwater.

· Helicopters in short supply – one smaller E&P player thinks it will take until Sunday until they can get one to assess their properties

· Shell MARS platform damaged, no indication of how badly.

· LOOP structure physically standing (E&P flyover, but no word on whether any operational damage)

· Coast Guard reporting 7 rigs adrift. We think (but haven’t confirmed) the list is as follows:

o Jim Thompson (NE)

o Deepwater Nautilus (RIG)

o ESV 7500 (ESV)

o Other rigs in area of direct storm impact include Artic I (GSF), Celtic Sea (GSF), Ocean Quest (DO), Ocean Victory (DO)



· Several jackups thought to be sunk / lost – 1 Rowan Drilling Co’s (New Orleans), 1 unknown operator

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Photo from the AF One flyover.

http://imgfarm.com/images/reuters/full/2005-08-31T180547Z_01_NOOTR_RTRIDSP_3_NEWS-WEATHER-KATRINA-DC.jpg


I just hope this situation helps others around the country understand that when they tell you to evacuate they mean for your ass to evacuate... I'm sure a lot more people would have survived this disaster If only they would of taken the warnings seriously.

I think if I had a nickel for every person I've seen on tv being interviewed saying "I didn't think it was going to be this bad", I'd already have enough money to cover all the repairs in La, Miss., and Alabama.

[MannyIsGod]

I told you people didn't grasp the scope of things. Those pictures from the AFone flyover are incredible.

[Jelly]

Anybody watching Larry King. The Mississippi governor's on. Man that guy's got one thick accent! :lol
Reminds me of when I was living in Alabama. It took me a year just understand what people were saying.

[MannyIsGod]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladp21608302120.hurricane_katrina_ladp216.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050831/i/r1768946807.jpg
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration aerial image taken on August 30, 2005 shows a vessel pushed on shore in south Plaquemines Parish, Lousiana, near Empire, Buras and Boothville where Hurricane Katrina made landfall on August 29, at approximately 7:10 a.m. EDT (1110 GMT). Authorities began to evacuate about 23,000 refugees from the New Orleans Superdome arena on Wednesday, and U.S. President George W. Bush said it would take years to recover from the flooding and devastation sown by Hurricane Katrina.

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050831/i/r1179880774.jpg
An aerial view showing the flooding throughout New Orleans, Louisiana from Air Force One, August 31, 2005. Air Force One made an unprecedented low level flight over the Gulf Coast states so that U.S. President George W. Bush could survey the destruction caused by hurricane Katrina. REUTERS/Mannie Garcia

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050831/i/r252707374.jpg
Also from AFOne

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050831/capt.wxs21808310017.hurricane_katrina_wxs218.jpg

Interstate 10 at the U.S. 90 interchange in New Orleans is shown surrounded by flooded buildings in this aerial photo Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005, after Hurricane Katrina moved through the area. (AP Photo/Bill Feig, Pool)

[Jelly]

I agree with Ginofan.

They need to concentrate more on the rescue efforts before It starts getting any worse then It already Is.

I just hope this situation helps others around the country understand that when they tell you to evacuate they mean for your ass to evacuate... I'm sure a lot more people would have survived this disaster If only they would of taken the warnings seriously.

But civil unrest like this makes the rescue efforts more difficult. They showed about an hour ago, looters setting fire to some stores. So now instead of just trying to save people trapped on roofs, they've got to worry about putting out fires? that's bullshit.

[Jekka]

That's scary when New Orleans starts looking like Venice.

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000

That article is from October 2001, almost 5 years ago.

[Shelly]

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000

That article is from October 2001, almost 5 years ago.

cue twilight zone music

[sickdsm]

Really, did anyone need to read an article to figure out how fucked NO would be if they were to get hit hard?


Nice find though.

[Jelly]

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000

That article is from October 2001, almost 5 years ago.

great find.

[MannyIsGod]

Really, did anyone need to read an article to figure out how fucked NO would be if they were to get hit hard?


Nice find though.
I just think people should listen to scientists a bit more. But as the article points out, you have so many conflicting interests it becomes hard to get anything done.

[j-6]

I wonder how bloody of a night we're going to see under martial law. At first I thought it would bring some good, but then again how many packs of bandits are going to be out without even ambient lighting?

I'm sure someone will try and stir up some shit, somewhere. Then again, how many people are going to be stupid enough to try and bow up on the National Guard?

[j-6]

One other thing that really bothered me from today. I'm trying very hard to stay apolitical with this whole situation, but why the hell wasn't that hospital ship sailing out on Monday when people started realizing how serious this was going to be? Because the President didn't think the situation demanded it? Why so late?

Same goes for the search helicopters and the Navy supply vessels. Did someone witha fancy nameplate on their DC office door think the Coast Guard could handle this entire fucking mess?

[Kori Ellis]

Side Notes: I know people bash Shaq but he's in Baton Rogue helping with the relief efforts first-hand and he's staying there thoroughout the week.

Also the Yankees gave a $1M to Red Cross.

[Ginofan]

Side Notes: I know people bash Shaq but he's in Baton Rogue helping with the relief efforts first-hand and he's staying there thoroughout the week.

Also the Yankees gave a $1M to Red Cross.

That's awesome. As much as I hate Shaq's media antics, he's always very generous when it comes to people in need, like the Christmas thing he does every year for the kids in L.A., and now this...he's got a good heart.

BTW, it looks like the first of the busses have made it to the Astrodome and went in.

[T Park]

that hospital ship sailing out on Monday

takes time to do stuff like that maybe???

Refuegees are arriving in Houston at the dome.

[j-6]

takes time to do stuff like that maybe???

Well, the Comfort sat sail on 9-12 for NYC (link (http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/PublicHealth/tb/1637)). I probably should have mentioned that. I guess nitpicking about three days is meaningless for some people, but right now, when it seems that every hour is crucial in saving lives, it'd be nice to know that she was rounding Florida tonight.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

All I want to know is WTF is up with the Red Cross? They have been MIA in N'awlins for two days now. I bet those people that had to sleep on I-10 last night would welcome something as trivial as a bottle of water.


:lol That Sheehan bitch blamed the hurricane on Bush, saying his global warming policies and "killing policies" are to blame.

What a fucking idiot.

[j-6]

All I want to know is WTF is up with the Red Cross? They have been MIA in N'awlins for two days now. I bet those people that had to sleep on I-10 last night would welcome something as trivial as a bottle of water.


:lol That Sheehan bitch blamed the hurricane on Bush, saying his global warming policies and "killing policies" are to blame.

What a fucking idiot.


Aren't the Red Cross volunteers dealing with people that fled the area rather than those still in the shit? I'll have to look it up.

Same with the Sheehan comment. I think her five minutes ended on Saturday.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The sad thing is somewhere her son is rolling in his grave.

More news from LA...


BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) -- It's an engineering problem that hasn't been solved: How do you plug a broken floodwall and drain a city that is submerged in water in many areas? Officials acknowledge plans to "unwater New Orleans" have failed, have been redrawn and are continuing to evolve.

The first was to use helicopters to drop hefty sandbags and giant concrete barriers to plug the hole in the floodwall of a canal which usually drains water from New Orleans and Jefferson Parish.

Crews had already moved in the 250 concrete walls and hundreds of sandbags when the problems cropped up. Transportation and engineering officials questioned whether the original structure was sound enough to hold against the pressure from the water.

So, they tweaked the plans and were working to hire a contractor to drive steel, sheet metal pilings down across the canal to stop water in the lake from moving into the canal before it ever got to the floodwall.

That still was difficult. The pilings need to go down beyond 30 feet to fully block the flow of water, according to Michael B. Rogers, with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

In the meantime, the corps was planning to punch deliberate breaches into the levee system along Lake Pontchartrain, moving from east to west, cutting notches that would let the water flow back out of New Orleans and into the lake, Rogers said. "People are in the air right now locating the best places to do that," Rogers said Wednesday.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) -- More than 7,600 prisoners had to be moved from jails in the New Orleans area because of flooding and unsanitary conditions caused by Hurricane Katrina -- prompting such widespread rumors of riots and jail breaks that Corrections Secretary Richard Stalder focused Wednesday on setting the story straight during a briefing with reporters.

"We cannot find any credible intelligence that the kinds of things that had been reported have happened," he said.

[j-6]

They're moving the women to Angola, too.

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3791807

We talked about this earlier, but wouldn't you rather have prisoners spending the night on I-10 than refugees?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Before and after pics from space...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/new-orleans-imagery.htm

HOLY SHIT...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/oi_new-orleans_050830_image04b.jpg

[j-6]

The WWL blog is mentioning a "renegade bus", a yellow Orleans Parish school jobber pulling up to the Astrodome. Who the fuck cares if they're not an officially sanctioned refugee caravan vehicle? We should be happy that whoever's in it was resourceful enough to make it to Houston.

Go take a shower and get some grub, guys.

[j-6]

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/090105ccjrwwlthousandsdrowned.13bc8d1d.html

Late Wednesday, Tenet Healthcare Corp. asked Louisiana State Police and the U.S. Coast Guard to help evacuate one of its hospitals in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water, medical supplies and pharmaceuticals was held up by gunmen.

[TheWriter]

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/090105ccjrwwlthousandsdrowned.13bc8d1d.html

Late Wednesday, Tenet Healthcare Corp. asked Louisiana State Police and the U.S. Coast Guard to help evacuate one of its hospitals in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water, medical supplies and pharmaceuticals was held up by gunmen.

Escape from New Orleans.

[SpursWoman]

actually new orleans made out better than i thought it would

i didn't think anything would be left



What's left?

[Extra Stout]

actually new orleans made out better than i thought it would

i didn't think anything would be leftEverything you see underwater now will have to be demolished.

So basically 80% of the city is gone.

[Extra Stout]

CNN says there are 10,000 National Gaurd Troops being sent to the area to help the police in the area control looting. 10,000 seems a bit much for looting...Wouldn't they be more useful in contributing to the rescue efforts?

"Looters" is a euphemism for "heavily armed roving murderous savages." The people taking food and diapers out of Wal-Mart aren't the problem. The people breaking into homes, hospitals, etc. and shooting people to get whatever they have are the problem.

[ObiwanGinobili]

WOW! ford is really stepping up to the plate on this one! :lmao

Ford Motor Credit Company is offering customers affected by Hurricane Katrina the opportunity to defer up to two vehicle payments.


I agree.,
:lmao
If my car was washed away I'd personally defer all my future payments! Ford would pick up on that eventually...

[SpursWoman]

I agree.,
:lmao
If my car was washed away I'd personally defer all my future payments! Ford would pick up on that eventually...

Hopefully the car insurance you're supposed to be paying for would pick up the tab.

That's why that offer was pretty retarded. Pretty much any finance company would do that for any financial hardship you might have, so the ones that were able to get out with their cars still intact would have had that option anyway....because they aren't doing you a favor. They slap those payments to the end of the loan and you end up having to pay more interest for it.

Those that were completely destroyed...hopefully they weren't among the frightening number of uninsured motorists.

:fro