Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Here's another idea I had this morning.

The state of Tx is quietly mulling legalizing gambling to allow casinos here in Texas. Now would be a great time to pass this legislation, and get things rolling in Htown. You'd have a construction worker base and a casino employee base to pull from. Just a thought.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Well, I generally don't have much nice stuff to say about the city of Houston but it's been very welcoming of the flood refugees. As many know by now the Astrodome is going to stand in for the Super Dome as a massive shelter. Bob McNair, owner of the Houston Texans, has said he will donate a million dollars to the relief effort and has challenged Houston to match it. Just about every church, temple, mosque, and community group is holding a drive of some kind. Tons of businesses are giving away something free to anyone with a valid Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama drivers license. Even here at the University of Houston the administration is talking about offering up some of our athletic facilities as shelters. I would hope that any city in America would step the way this city has. I just hope that this good will lasts through the refugees extended stays.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Let's just hope the refugees appreciate it in kind.

I was watching the Houston news last night and they showed this lady doing the whole "shane-ne" thing, going off about how she had her mom and kids to take care of, and wanted a house, food, and water.

Look around lady, be thankful you're alive.

[Jelly]

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/090105ccjrwwlthousandsdrowned.13bc8d1d.html

Late Wednesday, Tenet Healthcare Corp. asked Louisiana State Police and the U.S. Coast Guard to help evacuate one of its hospitals in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water, medical supplies and pharmaceuticals was held up by gunmen.

Two days ago, when several posters here were saying "leave the looters alone". I said that we had to stop the looting to keep NO from descending into hell like Baghdad. Several people, particularly Kori and TimVP, said it would be Atlantis by tomorrow (yesterday) and New Orleans could only descend into the ocean at this point, so why waste efforts trying to stop looting. Well, this is why. This is what minor looting escalates to.

So what can I say....I told you so.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

What really worries me here isn't housing the refugees, its what is going to happen when they get settled in and start looking for jobs/working. There's no shortage of places where Houston could convert things to makeshift housing, but the roads and public transportation systems here are woefully inadequate for a city this size. Hell, I remember the mess that the Superbowl made, and that was just for one weekend and in a very specific part of town.

[Vashner]

All I want to know is WTF is up with the Red Cross? They have been MIA in N'awlins for two days now. I bet those people that had to sleep on I-10 last night would welcome something as trivial as a bottle of water.


:lol That Sheehan bitch blamed the hurricane on Bush, saying his global warming policies and "killing policies" are to blame.

What a fucking idiot.

There are multiple huge lines of red cross trucks and people but they can't get into the areas yet. On the east they are getting to people because the water is gone but there is debris.

In the west it's water.

[SpursWoman]

So what can I say....I told you so.


I'd watch it with the "I told you so"'s. Only the men can get away with it around here. If a woman does it, even completely inadvertantly, she is being bitchy and something has obviously crawled up her ass. :spin :spin


I didn't mind for the food, but obviously this is out of control...and totally impossible to fathom. :(

[samikeyp]

I'm sure someone will try and stir up some shit, somewhere. Then again, how many people are going to be stupid enough to try and bow up on the National Guard?

exactly, apparently someone fired at a military helicopter (per MSNBC) one of those jackasses is going to shoot at the soldiers and get killed because the soldiers will be defending themselves and the soldiers will get blamed for it by some bleeding-heart dipshit.


AHF....Cindy Sheehan really said that? I felt for her because she lost her son but that just blew all that. Do you have a link? Thanks.

[ObiwanGinobili]

National Guard is saying there is no confirmation at al lon the rumour about hte shoot fired at Chinook 'copter.

[Vashner]

The first night.. when I saw the National Guard at the dome WITHOUT guns.. I was like "ok.. now that's fucking stupid"...

Here in town we have about 6 armories and the police have at least 3-4 small armories.

At Brooks we used to have maybe 400 M16's, bunch of AT4 anti tank rockets, some stingers etc.. stored in a bunker behind bars.

Your supposed to hand this shit out when the SHTF (shit hits the fan).....

[2pac]

Fox News this morning was talking about evacuating people to the AFRODOME in Houston.

[SpursWoman]

Fox News this morning was talking about evacuating people to the AFRODOME in Houston.



They did NOT say AFROdome... :wow :lmao

[ObiwanGinobili]

Well yesterday CNN called the Texas governer Rich Perry.... so anythings possible.

:lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

AHF....Cindy Sheehan really said that? I felt for her because she lost her son but that just blew all that. Do you have a link? Thanks.

I don't have a link anywhere online, they showed it on CNN and Fox last night.

[MannyIsGod]

To be fair with Ford Motor Credit....they usually give defferments but I've never seen any for 2 years. Thats pretty unprecedented.

[SpursWoman]

Here's a list of corporate donations from cnn.com;

Ford Motor Credit Company is offering customers affected by Hurricane Katrina the opportunity to defer up to two vehicle payments.


2 months.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manny, they only gave 2 months.

Why bother...

[MannyIsGod]

Oh damn, I read that as 2 years. :lol

Yeah, then that is bullshit! They would give that to you if you farted funny.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The world is reacting to America's disaster. Saudi Arabia says it's ready to increase crude oil production to replace market shortages. Venezuela is offering humanitarian aid and fuel. Canada's Red Cross is assembling volunteers. French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder sent messages of sympathy to President Bush.

Pope Benedict says he's praying for victims of the "tragic" hurricane while China's President Hu Jintao expressed his belief that the American people would "rebuild their beautiful homeland."

But not all responses were positive. Islamic extremists are rejoicing. Internet chatter referred to the storm as "Private" Katrina, and said it had joined the global holy war against the U.S.

WTF? China is saying nice things?

Thank you Saudi Arabia.

Up yours militant Islamic mother fuckers.

[SpursWoman]

Oh damn, I read that as 2 years. :lol

Yeah, then that is bullshit! They would give that to you if you farted funny.


All you have to do is call them up and say, "I don't feel like paying you for 2 months....I'm planning on going on a bender and blowing it all on hookers and drugs, can you defer my payments? Thanks."

And they'll do it. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao I still can't believe that. What the fuck man, thats almost a slap in the face.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Especially when all their vehicles are underwater or in a tree somewhere.

WTF Ford?

[Vashner]

I wonder where this is parked.....

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/608275/L/

[MannyIsGod]

See, Ford cars either blow up on you, or their shitty financer slaps you in the face. I hate Ford.

[SpursWoman]

:lmao I still can't believe that. What the fuck man, thats almost a slap in the face.


If they MADE the payments for them, that'd be a nice gesture...but they are only deferring them, huge difference.

[MannyIsGod]

9:45 A.M. - Dave Matthews Band is expected to announce a concert today benefitting the hurricane victims.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

10:05 A.M. - WWL-TV's Mike Hoss: The camera cannot truly capture what transpired in New Orleans. "You have no idea how bad it is," he said.

10:01 A.M. - (AP) -- The military plans to increase the number of National Guard troops on duty in Louisiana and Mississippi from a combined 7,400 to about 18,100, the senior commander in charge of military relief and rescue efforts said Thursday.

Here's hoping that between the conditions and the NG that the armed thugs get what's coming to them.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

President Bush will be in New Orleans on Friday on the ground to view the damage.

[samikeyp]

I don't have a link anywhere online, they showed it on CNN and Fox last night.

thanks bro. Damn that was really stupid.

[2pac]

BTW: My Ex-girlfriend's house escaped flood damage, then was looted.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

thanks bro. Damn that was really stupid.

I think she's pretty much shot her credibility at this point, well for anyone outside of the loons like NBADan.

[SpursWoman]

BTW: My Ex-girlfriend's house escaped flood damage, then was looted.


:(

[Jelly]

I'd watch it with the "I told you so"'s. Only the men can get away with it around here. If a woman does it, even completely inadvertantly, she is being bitchy and something has obviously crawled up her ass. :spin :spin

:(

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

Its really never a sexist thing with me. Its an I'm right and you're wrong thing. :lol

[SpursWoman]

:lol

Its really never a sexist thing with me. Its an I'm right and you're wrong thing. :lol


Yeah, but you've let AHF get a way with it about 5 times in the last 10 pages....


:depressed :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Thats because I argue with AHF daily in the political forum. You were fresh blood? :lol I don't know.

[samikeyp]

Yeah, but you've let AHF get a way with it about 5 times in the last 10 pages....

Its a male bonding thing...we argue, then we settle it over drinks and sports. :)

[MannyIsGod]

10:34 A.M. - Hoss: Stories of armed, roving gangs going around town looting every business they come across have been overexaggerated by the national media.

Oh, I really do hate what we call news these days.

[MannyIsGod]

btw, is the live feed working for anyone? Its down for me.

[MannyIsGod]

Nevermind, I got it back.

[batman2883]

http://foamy.libertech.net/kat.swf

Go to link

[Jelly]

"10:34 A.M. - Hoss: Stories of armed, roving gangs going around town looting every business they come across have been overexaggerated by the national media."


just nitpicking, but isn't "overexaggerated" redundant? Just one of my "bugaboos" as Christianne Amanpour would say :lol

[batman2883]

http://foamy.libertech.net/kat.swf

Go to link

Go to the link and press play trust me its really worth listening

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, but you've let AHF get a way with it about 5 times in the last 10 pages....

That's because he knows I'm right :lol j/k Manny.


"10:34 A.M. - Hoss: Stories of armed, roving gangs going around town looting every business they come across have been overexaggerated by the national media."

Well, they do it with Iraq every day, why would things change here at home?

[SpursWoman]

just nitpicking, but isn't "overexaggerated" redundant? Just one of my "bugaboos" as Christianne Amanpour would say :lol


Kind of like "pre-heating" the oven? :shootme :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://foamy.libertech.net/kat.swf

Amen :lol

[batman2883]

I told you that shit is totally worth listening to, its the damn truth, put down your cameras and help someone

[Jelly]

Anybody catch Miles O'Brien bitching out the governor of Mississippi for the total mess his state is in? Pathetic. The governor got pretty pissed off at him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well, Miles was kind of being a dick. Where do you even start in a situation like this? No one has ever seen anything like it before.

BTW, the squirrel echoed my sentiments from last night - put down the damn camera and help.

At least Shepard Smith was asking people if they were okay and needed anything. And I also saw the Fox guy stuck in the French Quarter stop some older guy in shock from drinking the raw dirty water, giving him fresh water to drink.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Anybody catch Miles O'Brien bitching out the governor of Mississippi for the total mess his state is in? Pathetic. The governor got pretty pissed off at him.


I saw that!
Miles was basically trying to force the Gov. to agree with everytign he was saying. He wwas trying to maelk the governor say "the federal gov. sucks and didin't respond fast/well enough"
And the Gov. would not say it. He got pissed!!
I gotthe feelign that if he was in Baton rouge Miles woud'e gotton a good beat down. :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

:lmao @ foamy !!!!

I've always wanted a foamy t-shirt, but i can't ever find one! :(


Foamy ROCKS!

[SpursWoman]

At least Shepard Smith was asking people if they were okay and needed anything.


Yes, and they all told them what they needed and he just moved on. :wtf :lol


Shep: "Are you okay? Is there anything you need?"
Survivor: "Some water, a dry place for my head...some food....I'm soooo tired..."
Shep: "Yeah........You, are you okay? Is there anything you need?"
Survivor #2: "Some water, a dry place for my head...some food....I'm soooo tired..."

:fro


I think every reporter, every police car I've seen cruising around should be stocked at all times with at least water. I don't think that's too much to ask.

[2pac]

A friend of the family has an airboat and was helping rescue - he personally saw roving looters in the suburbs going from house to house.

[Jelly]

:tu Alright San Antonio!!!
CNN just announced that San Antonio is stepping up. They'll take in 25,000 refugees.

Hey, some of you guys should offer to put them up in your house :angel

[batman2883]

To all you damn looters, stop looting and help someone ha ha ha ha

[j-6]

> BREAKING NEWS
FEMA suspends boat rescue operations in New Orleans because of dangers to rescuers, officials say. Details soon.

[batman2883]

:tu Alright San Antonio!!!
CNN just announced that San Antonio is stepping up. They'll take in 25,000 refugees.

Hey, some of you guys should offer to put them up in your house :angel


Hell yeah id be happy to have them at my place, i love cajun food, id be expecting Boudin, shrimp creole, and dirty rice every night when i get hom from school....:)

[SpursWoman]

:tu Alright San Antonio!!!
CNN just announced that San Antonio is stepping up. They'll take in 25,000 refugees.

Hey, some of you guys should offer to put them up in your house :angel


I've been seriously thinking about it, actually. I know Jimcs50 is taking in a family.

[ObiwanGinobili]

CNN reporter on right now is talkign about how amongthe masses gathered at convention center he "saw a man dying, literally going thru convultions and seizures right there on the ground in front of us"

and abviously this asswipe did nothign to help. :flipoff
WTF?????

[2pac]

As a journalist you are not supposed to be involved in the news. You report, not create or unfluence.

It is also possible that just because they have a camera and a microphone, they dont know what to do for someone having a seizure.

[2pac]

Rescue operations are stopped. Too unsafe, presumeably from looters.

[j-6]

I can't believe that someone fired shots at a military helicopter, so they've halted evacuations. One, he's lucky they didn't return fire and tear him into pieces. Two, that crowd in front of the CC is probably none too happy right now about the situation that jerk-off with the gun put them in.

Hopefully he'll get a little street justice.

[Extra Stout]

Rescue operations are stopped. Too unsafe, presumeably from looters.
The National Guard needs to be given clearance to shoot looters on sight.

Although, it may be that conditions are so bad that not even the NG can maintain order.

The thing I fear now is that they may have to leave 60,000 people there to fend for themselves, nearly all of whom would die in those conditions.

[2pac]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/


Everyone check this feed.

[Extra Stout]

I can't believe that someone fired shots at a military helicopter, so they've halted evacuations. One, he's lucky they didn't return fire and tear him into pieces. Two, that crowd in front of the CC is probably none too happy right now about the situation that jerk-off with the gun put them in.

Hopefully he'll get a little street justice.The predators want to keep authorities out so they can feast on the remaining residents.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

CNN reporter on right now is talkign about how amongthe masses gathered at convention center he "saw a man dying, literally going thru convultions and seizures right there on the ground in front of us"

and abviously this asswipe did nothign to help. :flipoff
WTF?????

Do you know how to help people going through a seizure? Did you buy first-aid lessons in bulk at Costco?

If First-Aid training is required of every journalist, I haven't been told yet.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know if this is public knowledge (I didn't read back) but Gov Perry is doing a press conference at 12:30... they are bringing 25,000 refugees to San Antonio (and/or another Texas city).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't know if this is public knowledge (I didn't read back) but Gov Perry is doing a press conference at 12:30... they are bringing 25,000 refugees to San Antonio (and/or another Texas city).

Yeah, MySA has the story.

[Jelly]

I can't believe that someone fired shots at a military helicopter, so they've halted evacuations. One, he's lucky they didn't return fire and tear him into pieces. Two, that crowd in front of the CC is probably none too happy right now about the situation that jerk-off with the gun put them in.

Hopefully he'll get a little street justice.

I don't think they'll even consider that. Every "man on the street" interview I've seen has shown that the rage is directed at the government and rescue workers, who they think haven't done enough. I should stop listening to BBC because my blood pressure can't take it, but basically their reporter interviewed person after person, all of whom were enraged at the "lack of help" they were receiving from the authorities. None of them complained about the looters and armed thugs running around hijacking medical trucks and shooting at cops and helicopters.

[batman2883]

Hey i have one big concern i havent heard from her yet but someone i use to love dearly is from Louisiana, and i want to make sure she's okay even though she married someone else already and is pregnant with his baby....Does anyone know if Britney Spears is okay?

[j-6]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/


Everyone check this feed.


Thanks for the link.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Hey i have one big concern i havent heard from her yet but someone i use to love dearly is from Louisiana, and i want to make sure she's okay even though she married someone else already and is pregnant with his baby....Does anyone know if Britney Spears is okay?

Britney Spears Prays for Hurricane Victims

NEW YORK — Britney Spears, who was raised in Kentwood, La., says she is praying for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

In a posting on her Web site, the 23-year-old pop star writes that her "thoughts and prayers go out to everyone" in the states along the devastated Gulf Coast.

In a posting on her Web site, the 23-year-old pop star writes that her 'thoughts and prayers go out to everyone' in the states along the devastated Gulf Coast. 'All of my family members there are safe and thank you to all my fans for your concern,' says Spears.

"All of my family members there are safe and thank you to all my fans for your concern," says Spears.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Do you know how to help people going through a seizure? Did you buy first-aid lessons in bulk at Costco?



yes i do.
thanks for asking.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Does anybody have the link to the New Orleans police scanner that I've read about elsewhere?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

yes i do.
thanks for asking.

Well, guess what, not everybody does, so fuck you (I refuse to use that smiley) for being so smug and calling out people who may not know.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think every reporter, every police car I've seen cruising around should be stocked at all times with at least water. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Well, to be fair then you'd have a riot and probably dead reporter/policeman when they run out of provisions.


The National Guard needs to be given clearance to shoot looters on sight.

Although, it may be that conditions are so bad that not even the NG can maintain order.

Actually under martial law they can do that. However you'd end up with the quack jobs like Sheehan saying that Bush signed off on death warrants for the poor in NO at the hands of our government.

Probably need to establish some rules of engagement, i.e., if you are looting and are caught and refuse arrest, have firearms and brandish you can be shot.

[j-6]

Does anybody have the link to the New Orleans police scanner that I've read about elsewhere?

I looked for it last night and all I could find was the NOFD one. I'll look more in a bit. There's the FD one, though.

http://www.firefeeds.com/feedroom/la-neworleans.html

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Thanks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

(AP) BURBANK, Calif. -- A shaken and emotional Ellen DeGeneres says her 82-year-old aunt had to quickly evacuate her home in Pass Christian, Mississippi, as Hurricane Katrina headed toward the Gulf Coast.

DeGeneres, who was born in Metairie, says her childhood was filled with weekends at her aunt Helen Currie's home in Mississippi, just over the state line from New Orleans. DeGeneres told A-P Radio yesterday that her aunt lost everything.

File this in the no one GAF department. Look, either step up with a donation or shut your hole Hollywood.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

File this in the no one GAF department. Look, either step up with a donation or shut your hole Hollywood.

Let them say what they have to say. Did anybody rip Brett Favre for doing the same thing earlier this week?

[j-6]

Does anybody have the link to the New Orleans police scanner that I've read about elsewhere?


This it? (First listing)

http://scannerfeeds.us/

[ObiwanGinobili]

Well, guess what, not everybody does, so fuck you (I refuse to use that smiley) for being so smug and calling out people who may not know.

it's common fuckign sense.
put somethign under thier head so they don;t crack it open on the pavement and stick somehting in thier mouth so they don;t swallow thier tongue.
damn.
i refuse to believe the majority of the population is a bunch of idiots.


adn why don't you take a second to pull your righteous panties out your ass, take a breath and stop jumping on every single post like your god?

[Kori Ellis]

Well believe it or not ObiWan, a lot of people have been taking offense to your condescending posts lately. Just because Blaze told you about it instead of telling me, don't hate him for being honest.

[j-6]

Anyone know how to play an m3u file in Winamp?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

adn why don't you take a second to pull your righteous panties out your ass, take a breath and stop jumping on every single post like your god?

Sounds like somebody needs to take her own advice.

[samikeyp]

Hey, some of you guys should offer to put them up in your house

You first.


I have a couch...not much but is dry and safe.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Anyone know how to play an m3u file in Winamp?

I just downloaded the file on that site you posted. It took a bit of time to connect, but it just opened my Winamp and started playing essentially.

Thanks again.

[j-6]

it's common fuckign sense.
put somethign under thier head so they don;t crack it open on the pavement and stick somehting in thier mouth so they don;t swallow thier tongue.
damn.
i refuse to believe the majority of the population is a bunch of idiots.


adn why don't you take a second to pull your righteous panties out your ass, take a breath and stop jumping on every single post like your god?


:rolleyes

Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

[samikeyp]

it's common fuckign sense.
put somethign under thier head so they don;t crack it open on the pavement and stick somehting in thier mouth so they don;t swallow thier tongue.
damn.
i refuse to believe the majority of the population is a bunch of idiots.


adn why don't you take a second to pull your righteous panties out your ass, take a breath and stop jumping on every single post like your god?

Yes because in a city which is 80% underwater, things like that grow on trees. I would say go down there and pull them magically out of your ass but apparently there is no room because your head is up there.

[MannyIsGod]

File this in the no one GAF department. Look, either step up with a donation or shut your hole Hollywood.
How is she any different from anyone else? Ellen is one of the best celebrities when it comes to helping people, wtf?

[j-6]

I just downloaded the file on that site you posted. It took a bit of time to connect, but it just opened my Winamp and started playing essentially.

Thanks again.


Hmmm...my Winamp won't play it. Tells me that the file isn't found. Any suggestions?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Try downloading the file to your desktop and directly pointing at it in Winamp (or dragging and dropping the file to your playlist).

[MannyIsGod]

I can't put the people up anywhere. I really wish I could, but Jess and I barely cover our own needs. I don't know, I'll talk to her and maybe we can do something to house a single person, but I'm not sure we can even muster that. I really want to, though.

However, if they are going to have people here, they are going to need volunteers. If anyone comes across any info on how we can help, please post it. I don't have much money to give, but I have my time and my sweat.

[samikeyp]

However, if they are going to have people here, they are going to need volunteers. If anyone comes across any info on how we can help, please post it. I don't have much money to give, but I have my time and my sweat.

Count me in as well. I can bring others too.

[ObiwanGinobili]

condecending because I can;t stand by and watch a man die?
huh?
i'm not the only one who was passing around the thought of news people puttign down thier camera's and helping.
thats not a wrong thought to have , it's nto a wrong thought to express.

SW- got mad at them not giving water or helping in other ways. But she's not called "condescending" is she?

We all here have different opinions and different views in this thread. but we are basiclly just trying to keep discussion open and spread the info that we come across.
not attack each other.
and I felt attacked for my opinion about a news reporter. So I bit back. shoot me.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

In our staff editorial today, we asked the university to investigate helping the student refugees by allowing them to take classes tuition-free as Rice and SMU are doing.

[SWC Bonfire]

I've got a sizeable house - I would be willing to put up a sorority or two from stricken universities like Tulane and LSU. :lol

[samikeyp]

^^You're a giver! :lol

[MannyIsGod]

condecending because I can;t stand by and watch a man die?
huh?
i'm not the only one who was passing around the thought of news people puttign down thier camera's and helping.
thats not a wrong thought to have , it's nto a wrong thought to express.

SW- got mad at them not giving water or helping in other ways. But she's not called "condescending" is she?

We all here have different opinions and different views in this thread. but we are basiclly just trying to keep discussion open and spread the info that we come across.
not attack each other.
and I felt attacked for my opinion about a news reporter. So I bit back. shoot me.
No no, SW said she wished they carried water. You attacked Joe's profession, he stood up for it. You tend to talk down to people at times. I don't know if you do it on purpose, but it seems like you look down on people if they're not making their own bisquick, cooking a meal in 20 minutes, or now administering first aid.

Reporters have a job to do, and sometimes that means they watch instead of act.

[MannyIsGod]

I've got a sizeable house - I would be willing to put up a sorority or two from stricken universities like Tulane and LSU. :lol
:lol

[Kori Ellis]

condecending because I can;t stand by and watch a man die?
huh?


I'm not talking about that one comment. I'm talking about all day, everyday. If someone's line of thinking doesn't go along with yours, you are rude is hell. I get complaints about it almost every single day, but I always ignore it because you are pregnant and I say to give you a break. But since Blaze brought it out into the open, I figured you might as well know. Maybe you can check your attitude a little bit and think before you type.

Back to your regular scheduled programming.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Myself and a bunch of people at work are going to a shelter in Dallas on Monday to cook a hot meal for a bunch of refugees that have taken up shelter there. Wish I could come up with room for some folks to stay at my place, but I don't exactly have a lot of room, just a couch :(

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

On DeGeneres, I guess I just don't think her letting the whole world know her aunt is okay is that important right now. *shrugs*

[Kori Ellis]

Myself and a bunch of people at work are going to a shelter in Dallas on Monday to cook a hot meal for a bunch of refugees that have taken up shelter there. Wish I could come up with room for some folks to stay at my place, but I don't exactly have a lot of room, just a couch :(

:tu That's very commendable. If everyone can just give a little (volunteering or financially) and do what they can, it will make a big difference.

[j-6]

11:58 A.M. - SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utah's religious congregations are working with national relief organizations to help ship relief supplies to victims of Hurricane Katrina. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints finished loading the last of fourteen trucks headed for the area yesterday. Pallets of sleeping bags, tents and other relief supplies were transferred from the Mormon church's central storehouse to trucks headed to Louisiana and Mississippi.Church spokesman Dale Bills says several LDS church buildings in the area are being used as emergency shelters, as well.

Awlright, Mormons!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

SW- got mad at them not giving water or helping in other ways. But she's not called "condescending" is she?


That's because she isn't. You, on the other hand, do so damn near everytime you post.

Do you know how to treat a dialysis patient? CNN reported that the police were unable to help since they had nothing.

Maybe what you should do is take yourself to NO, pop out that kid of yours and you two can walk around teaching first aid to everybody.

Then, when that's all done, you can whip up your 48275920174 pancakes in 20 minutes to feed everybody remaining at the Superdome. I'm sure Costco would help you out since you're on their frequent flour plan.

Until then, teach a training class to journalists and STFU.

As a matter of fact, we've got an editorial board meeting tonight at 6. I'll open up the floor to you to teach us first aid in case we ever get caught and need it.

Trinity Building
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[MannyIsGod]

Hardberger said County Judge Nelson Wolff was taking steps to house people in Freeman Coliseum where the main building and most of the outlying buildings are air-conditioned. Perry is trying to get air conditioners for the buildings that are not, Hardberger added.


God damnit, as mad as America makes me sometimes, you can't help but love it because of this.

[SpursWoman]

SW- got mad at them not giving water or helping in other ways. But she's not called "condescending" is she?



Don't even fucking go there. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

There are 2 ways to piss of Joe.

Tell him to stop eating cake and play poker :lmao, and ragging on journalism.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

If anybody finds out about relief efforts in San Antonio, do post it here.

[Extra Stout]

Actually under martial law they can do that. However you'd end up with the quack jobs like Sheehan saying that Bush signed off on death warrants for the poor in NO at the hands of our government.

Well, if Cindy Sheehan isn't careful, she's going to end up with a cap right between the eyes. People's tolerance for that bullshit in a national crisis is really small.

There are maybe a couple thousand violent thugs roaming around. There are 60,000 people trapped in the city. After the first hundred criminals get killed, order will be restored really fast, and there might be a chance to get people out.

You hear what's happening. People are starting to drop dead left and right.

What's so sad is that for years they've known that this was going to happen, and they knew that they didn't have the resources to deal with it, and still nothing was done. They knew they weren't prepared, and it shows.

Nobody even had the foresight to build up enough high ground somewhere to put a command center that would not itself be devastated by the floodwaters. And now we have a situation where a staggering number of people are going to die -- not from storm surge, not from drowning, but from hunger, thirst, disease, and violence days if not weeks after the storm blew through.

Not only is there no central plan, there's really no way to execute one now.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

There are 2 ways to piss of Joe.

Tell him to stop eating cake and play poker :lmao, and ragging on journalism.

Three. Tell me there's no Dr. Pepper or Big Red.

[Kori Ellis]

Okay, I'm cutting off the rag fest. I think ObiWan understands now that she has upset some people.

Get back on topic.

[SWC Bonfire]

As a matter of fact, we've got an editorial board meeting tonight at 6. I'll open up the floor to you to teach us first aid in case we ever get caught and need it.

The Red Cross will come do it for free (or a small fee/donation), and certify you in first aid (so you can't get sued by trying to help someone). They are stretched thin right now, but I recommend you set this up for whatever groups you belong to. They should also have classes on the campus for you to do this in.

[j-6]

Not to sound like too much of a prick here, but I wonder when those opportunistic assholes that made a fortune off magnetic yellow ribbons start selling green and purple magnetic hurricane disks.

[MannyIsGod]

I have to be quite honest, at this point I would not oppose ROE that allow guardmen more freedom to shoot people. These people are directly putting the others at risk and by doing so forfeit any sympathy from me.

Those of you who know me know what takes quite a fucking bit.

[MannyIsGod]

City Council is currently meeting to discuss plans to house the refugees. Hopefully we'll have more info tonight.

[j-6]

I have to be quite honest, at this point I would not oppose ROE that allow guardmen more freedom to shoot people. These people are directly putting the others at risk and by doing so forfeit any sympathy from me.

Those of you who know me know what takes quite a fucking bit.


I agree. There's a lot of folks dying right now due to the actions of a few SOB's with firearms. But methinks that after a couple of troublemakers are shot though, you're running the risk of a full-scale riot. I hope the Guardsmen are considering that.

When was the last time Guardsmen opened fire on US citizens? Kent State?

[SWC Bonfire]

I would imagine that their rules of engagement are quite black and white as a result of the Kent State incident.

[Jelly]

condecending because I can;t stand by and watch a man die?
huh?
i'm not the only one who was passing around the thought of news people puttign down thier camera's and helping.
thats not a wrong thought to have , it's nto a wrong thought to express.

SW- got mad at them not giving water or helping in other ways. But she's not called "condescending" is she?

We all here have different opinions and different views in this thread. but we are basiclly just trying to keep discussion open and spread the info that we come across.
not attack each other.
and I felt attacked for my opinion about a news reporter. So I bit back. shoot me.

Obiwan, I just heard the reporter in question talking about the incident. He said a group of people were trying to help the man and tried holding his head up and administering any kind of aid. It just didn't work.

[Shelly]

HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: National


Sept. 1, 2005, 11:50AM

Despair grips New Orleans
From staff and wire reports




As a tired, hungry and frustrated crowd chanted ``Help us! Help us! Help us!'' in front of the New Orleans Convention Center this morning, someone pulled back a filthy blanket to reveal a gray-haired man slumped dead in a lawn chair.

All around, the 8,000 or so refugees in this uninhabitable city stretched in a long line across down Convention Center Boulelvard, demanding help from police and military who kept moving past.

"They treat us like animals,'' said Angela Perkins, who had fallen to her knees, clasped her hands and screamed out a prayer. "They can send me anywhere. They can send me to Africa.''

Kevin Clark, 10, who had come to the center with his grandfather, Isaac, described the horror so many people are facing here.

"I'm scared,'' he said. "I slept on the ground last night. I don't have anything to eat. The last time I ate was Monday.''

Desperate New Orleans residents were flocking to the Superdome today, hoping for a spot on a bus to Houston's Astrodome. But the scene at the Superdome -- the shelter of last resort for up to 23,000 people -- became increasingly chaotic as the swelling crowd made it difficult for buses to get through.

Paramedics became alarmed by the sight of people with guns. The evacuation of fragile refugees, who were supposed to be airlifted to the Astrodome, ground to a halt when medical personnel received reports of gunfire and as trash fires outside the Superdome fanned unfounded fears of arson.

Richard Zuschlag, chief of Acadian Ambulance, said it had become too dangerous for his pilots. Zeuschlag said paramedics were calling him and crying for help because they were so scared of people with guns at the Superdome. He also said that during the night, when a medical evacuation helicopter tried to land at a hospital in the outlying town of Kenner, the pilot reported 100 people were on the landing pad, some with guns.

"He was frightened and would not land,'' Zeuschlag.

Despite the angry crowds, however, the bus evacuations continued.

Superdome refugees had lined up for the first buses, some inching along in wheelchairs, some carrying babies. Almost everyone carried a plastic bag or bundled bedspread holding the few possessions they had left. Many had no idea where they were heading.

"We tried to find out. We're pretty much adrift right now,'' said Cyril Ellisworth, 46. "We're pretty much adrift in life. They tell us to line up and go, and we just line up and go.''

Not everyone in New Orleans was following directions, however.

Managers at the Covenant Home nursing center were prepared to cope with power outages and supply shortages following Hurricane Katrina. They weren't ready for looters.

The nursing home lost its bus after the driver surrendered it to carjackers. Groups of people then drove by the center, shouting to residents, ``Get out!''

On Wednesday, 80 residents, most of them in wheelchairs, were evacuated to other nursing homes in the state.

"We had excellent plans. We had enough food for 10 days,'' said Peggy Hoffman, the home's executive director. "Now we'll have to equip our department heads with guns and teach them how to shoot.''

Looters around New Orleans threatened survivors and ransacked stores. Some were desperate for food - others just wanted beer and TVs.

The risk to safety prompted Mayor Ray Nagin to order virtually all the city's 1,500 police officers to leave their search-and-rescue mission and return to the streets to stop the thefts that turned more hostile as the city plunged deeper into chaos.

"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas - hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now,'' Nagin said.

Amid the turmoil on Wednesday, thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break the glass of a pharmacy. A crowd stormed the store, carrying out so much water and food that it dropped from their arms as they ran. The street was littered with packages of ramen noodles and other items.

New Orleans' homeland security chief, Terry Ebbert, said looters were breaking into stores all over town and stealing guns. He said there are gangs of armed men moving around the city. At one point, officers stranded on the roof of a hotel were fired at by people on the street.

Authorities said another officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. Both were expected to survive.

Looters also chased down a state police truck full of food. The New Orleans police chief ran off looters while city officials themselves were commandeering equipment from a looted Office Depot. During a state of emergency, authorities have broad powers to take private supplies and buildings for their use.
Chronicle staffer Dale Lezon and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

[SpursWoman]

I have to be quite honest, at this point I would not oppose ROE that allow guardmen more freedom to shoot people. These people are directly putting the others at risk and by doing so forfeit any sympathy from me.

Those of you who know me know what takes quite a fucking bit.


:wow :wow


And I agree 200%

What I'm really having a hard time comprehending is that these people aren't even helping themselves. I mean, what do they think? That everything will be back to normal in NO in a few days and they can enjoy the fruits of their labor?

They are going to die if they don't get out of there, too. It's not debateable. The conditions are only going to get worse.

[Jelly]

You first.


I have a couch...not much but is dry and safe.

I live in Virginia and it's not my own place. I'm a guest here...so, I'm currently sort of homeless myself, but fortunately I have a nice place to stay.

I'm not trying to lay guilt on people at all. I know it would be extremely difficult to put people up.

[Vashner]

I would imagine that their rules of engagement are quite black and white as a result of the Kent State incident.

It's martial law that means use of force is authorized.
Kent state was not martial law. It was a clusterfuck. This is different.

[Jelly]

Anyone watching CNN over the past hour? I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree with that BBC reporter I was complaining about. The one who said our governments reaction was a disgrace. There are entire neighborhoods who haven't eaten for three days and apparantly there is no presence of any kind of official to keep people informed or to give direction. Very little food and water has been distributed. Not even in the Superdome. I am shocked.

[MannyIsGod]

I've tried giving them the benefit of the doubt, but it is starting to get very ominous torwards the reaction. It's too soon to know how well they are handling it though.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What's so sad is that for years they've known that this was going to happen, and they knew that they didn't have the resources to deal with it, and still nothing was done. They knew they weren't prepared, and it shows.

Nobody even had the foresight to build up enough high ground somewhere to put a command center that would not itself be devastated by the floodwaters. And now we have a situation where a staggering number of people are going to die -- not from storm surge, not from drowning, but from hunger, thirst, disease, and violence days if not weeks after the storm blew through.

Not only is there no central plan, there's really no way to execute one now.

Probably one of the most maddening realities that we are seeing today. It's pretty obvious the federal government, despite all its BS studies and plans and practice exercises, still isn't ready for a tragedy like this.

They need to bring in mobile communications equipment from the military, get up some mobile communications aircraft that can relay cell phone messages, etc over NO and south Alabama and Mississippi.

Strap speakers to helos to advise people in the cities where to go for help, etc.

And deploy the NG and police to deal with the looters with a shoot on site order. Any fucker with a gun running around looting gets capped. Judge, jury, executioner all at once.

The only good thing about the looters is that they aren't doing anything to save themselves, and like Kori said - God has a plan for them. Namely, death in their home city. And to that I say good fucking riddance.

If you want to sign your own death sentence, fine, but don't jack with the rescue and police personnel who are trying to save the ones who want to get out.

[Vashner]

Anyone watching CNN over the past hour? I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree with that BBC reporter I was complaining about. The one who said our governments reaction was a disgrace. There are entire neighborhoods who haven't eaten for three days and apparantly there is no presence of any kind of official to keep people informed or to give direction. Very little food and water has been distributed. Not even in the Superdome. I am shocked.

Well for one london was once burning from nazi bombers and USA bail them out with food .. it took a long time to bring the food across the ocean.

THEY HAVE NOT been in a situation like this.. there are lot of people with aid but they can't get to the Scene..

Now please don't let the mainstream media bring you down.. BBC is mostly anti Bush staff that means that they hate YOU too for the moment..

[ObiwanGinobili]

Obiwan, I just heard the reporter in question talking about the incident. He said a group of people were trying to help the man and tried holding his head up and administering any kind of aid. It just didn't work.


yeah, I just saw that update too... almost missed it i was gonna switch to FOX. :lol
I was glad to hear that peopel were trying to help.
I can;t imagine what that poor man has been goign thru these past few days but I'm sure he appreciated the human touch.

[j-6]

Anyone watching CNN over the past hour? I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree with that BBC reporter I was complaining about. The one who said our governments reaction was a disgrace. There are entire neighborhoods who haven't eaten for three days and apparantly there is no presence of any kind of official to keep people informed or to give direction. Very little food and water has been distributed. Not even in the Superdome. I am shocked.


That's why I can't believe that the federal response to this was yesterday afternoon. Even all of us MMQB's in here have been talking about how bad Katrina (and her aftermath) was since Sunday.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Oh, and load up boats and choppers with water and MREs. When you rescue someone from a rooftop, hand them a bottle of water and an MRE.

This thing is a complete clusterfuck all the way around from a state, local, and federal government standpoint.

It appears the idea is to rescue them, get them to dry land, get them to the Superdome, get them out of the area to shelters.

That I have no problem with, but all that takes time and logistics. In the meantime you've got to give them some fluids and some food, particularly the fluids part. A human can survive over a week without food, but the water is the biggie.

[samikeyp]

Anyone watching CNN over the past hour? I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree with that BBC reporter I was complaining about. The one who said our governments reaction was a disgrace. There are entire neighborhoods who haven't eaten for three days and apparantly there is no presence of any kind of official to keep people informed or to give direction. Very little food and water has been distributed. Not even in the Superdome. I am shocked.

To be fair, we can't say "supplies" click our heels, snap our fingers and they will show up. Its a logistical nightmare trying to get food and water to so much. All the supplies have to be brought in and distributed....trying to get to people has been the biggest problem. People have become desperate and that makes it worse. We can't just say "well the government isn't doing enough" This is a long drawn out process and I have a sinking feeling that its about to get really really ugly.

[ObiwanGinobili]

There are entire neighborhoods who haven't eaten for three days and apparantly there is no presence of any kind of official to keep people informed or to give direction. Very little food and water has been distributed. Not even in the Superdome. I am shocked.


me too.
thats why I was really surprised during the white house press briefing, when pressed by a reporter about the difference between tpeople looting for food and suppplies and peopel looting for tv's and stuff.. the guy just said that there was zero tolerance and that there was no reason for them to be looting for food & water since they were coordinating efforts to bring food to the area.

i just thought that was a bit one dimensional.

[MiNuS]

Anyone watching CNN over the past hour? I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree with that BBC reporter I was complaining about. The one who said our governments reaction was a disgrace. There are entire neighborhoods who haven't eaten for three days and apparantly there is no presence of any kind of official to keep people informed or to give direction. Very little food and water has been distributed. Not even in the Superdome. I am shocked.
this reminds me.

its only human.We always help our friends more than we help our own family.

think about it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

WWL-TV's Brad Panovich: Mother Nature reclaimed the Mississippi River delta. If she wants to move the delta, or move the city, then she will.

[samikeyp]

Oh, and load up boats and choppers with water and MREs. When you rescue someone from a rooftop, hand them a bottle of water and an MRE.

that is a good idea. With all the boats that people own in Texas and Louisiana, you could come up with a lot of help.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

there was no reason for them to be looting for food & water since they were coordinating efforts to bring food to the area.

i just thought that was a bit one dimensional.

Typical politikal speak.

Like I said - hand everyone you rescue an MRE and a bottle of water. It ain't much, but it's a start.


I have to scratch my head at the Convention Center people though. Fox talked to some guy yesterday that said "we just came here, too many people at the Superdome, we figure if enough of us gather here the government will come for us."

All the staging and resources are at the Superdome, you've got to go there instead of "make my own place for the government to come, and expect them to show up with bells and whistles on."

[Jelly]

Well for one london was once burning from nazi bombers and USA bail them out with food .. it took a long time to bring the food across the ocean.

THEY HAVE NOT been in a situation like this.. there are lot of people with aid but they can't get to the Scene..

Now please don't let the mainstream media bring you down.. BBC is mostly anti Bush staff that means that they hate YOU too for the moment..

believe me, I am the biggest BBC hater there is, but if you've been watching CNN for the last hour, you have got to be stunned. We are not a third world country. We should be able to handle this. The area they have new footage of is around the convention center. It's all dry land, no flooding in site. The streets are clear - except for the trash and dead bodies and thousands of people near riot screaming for help. There are people passed out all over the place. You can't tell who is dead or who is asleep.
There is an elderly woman - clearly dead - in a wheelchair who has been propped up against a wall. People either passed out or near to collapse are lying next to her. The living are laying next to the dying. There are no relief trucks, no police, no rescuers in site.
I understand they can't get to everyone on the roofs right away. But this is a dry area. I have no words...

[j-6]

WWL Blog:

12:38 P.M. - (AP): Two French Quarter hotels says federal officials have foiled their plans to hire buses to ferry guests to higher ground.

The general manager of the Astor Hotel at Astor Crowne Plaza says the hotels teamed to hire ten buses to carry some 500 guests.

But Peter Ambros says federal officials commandeered the buses, and told the guests to join thousands of other evacuees at the New Orleans convention center.

One man says he and others had paid $45 a seat for the buses, and that they were "totally stunned" when the buses never arrived. Another woman said the crowd had waited 14 hours for the buses. She says the idea of walking to the convention center scared her because of reports of looting.

The woman says it appears Louisiana officials have forgotten about tourists, and are just intent on getting their own residents out.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Typical politikal speak.

Like I said - hand everyone you rescue an MRE and a bottle of water. It ain't much, but it's a start.



Thats an awesome idea. Something is better than nothing.. espcially after all these days of nothing.

[MiNuS]

the looting bit. The store owner was going to report everything "unsalvagable" anyway. Businesses are still collecting from their insurances. If I have NO food.No clothes.I haven't taken a bath in 4 days.My Debit card will not work.I have no where to go. -- don't expect anyone to be waiting patiently for Bush to send anyone soon!

It will be easier to find Osama than to fix LA. "Dead or Alive"

It's now conceivable that we will be paying $5 a gallon before the year ends here in TX.

[Kori Ellis]

Gov Perry's press conference is on. I don't know if you guys have TV access.

[MiNuS]

Gov Perry's press conference is on. I don't know if you guys have TV access.
negative

[ObiwanGinobili]

Hardberger was just on CNN.
but I couldn;t here him with the moving guys out in the hall arguing _
did anyone catch what he was saying???

[Kori Ellis]

Now Hardberger is on. I missed Perry.

[Kori Ellis]

ObiWan - he's still on KSAT.

[ObiwanGinobili]

ok

[j-6]

http://mgno.com/


In case anyone in national security is reading this, get the word to President Bush that we need the military in here NOW. The Active Duty Armed Forces. Mr. President, we are losing this city. I don't care what you're hearing on the news. The city is being lost. It is the law of the jungle down here. The command and control structure here is barely functioning. I'm not sure it's anyone's fault -- I'm not sure it could be any other way at this point. We need the kind of logistical support and infrastructure only the Active Duty military can provide. The hospitals are in dire straights. The police barely have any capabilities at this point. The National Guard is doing their best, but the situation is not being contained. I'm here to help in anyway I can, but my capabilities are limited and dropping. Please get the military here to maintain order before this city is lost.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Hardberger:

"city of san anotnio will write it's own check" "can't wait on relief funds"
"all our major hospitols ready to help"
"university hospitol will vacate an entire floor if needed"
"great many private citizens and buisness have volunteered thier services"

[ObiwanGinobili]

confirmed: HEB is doing a food caravan.

san antonio motels and hotels will be cutting thier rates for those that have the fuinds to stay in a hotel.

[Kori Ellis]

The refugees will be put up at Kelly AFB. SBC is donating cell phones and H-E-B food.

[Kori Ellis]

The ArchBishop called him last night and said that the Catholic churches and schools in San Antonio are ready to step up in any way needed.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Using Kelly is a great idea.

They are sending more NG troops to NO, but looks like they're taking their time doing it.

I can't belive the slowness of our government right now. If they can't run the show or come up with any ideas, time for someone to step up and say fuck bureaucracy, here's how we're going to do this.

[Kori Ellis]

Councilman Hall said for people to give to the Salvation Army, Red Cross and Food Bank. He said they need water, canned food, and of course money.

[ObiwanGinobili]

wow.
I;m very impressed with our city right now.
Looks like they are trying to get this thing covered from every angle. :tu

[ObiwanGinobili]

HEB accepting food donations in 4 stores.
300 olmos @ san pedro
FM78 @ foster
S. Zaramora @ sw military
9900 Wurzbach rd.

[Kori Ellis]

There's 4 HEB locations that are accepting food donations all day tomorrow (I didn't catch the exact ones -- I know one was Olmos). You can also donate directly at Kelly.

[Kori Ellis]

Good job, ObiWan - I didn't listen to the locations exactly.

[Horry For 3!]

I am looking on cnn.com and it is talking about all the deaths at the Convention Center. That is sad. :depressed

[Kori Ellis]

They also said that there will be several medical clinics set up to give assistance around the city -- not just for medical treatment but also psychological.

[ObiwanGinobili]

They also said that there will be several medical clinics set up to give assistance around the city -- not just for medical treatment but also psychological.


:tu thats what i'm talking about. SA is awesome. It makes my heart go pitter patter. they're covering all the bases on this - not just shelter and food.

[Kori Ellis]

They also said that they will look for more space if Kelly gets filled up, they don't rule out taking in even more people. They said anyone who arrives can ask for medical treatment, no matter how small the problem, and they'll get treated by University Hospital or one of the four clinics set up.

It sounds like they are doing an awesome job and really stepping up on this.

People should be proud of S.A. government right now.

[Horry For 3!]

:tu thats what i'm talking about. SA is awesome. It makes my heart go pitter patter. they're covering all the bases on this - not just shelter and food.
Yes, SA is awesome. I hope the Saints play in SA, I will most likely go to the game.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Yes, SA is awesome. I hope the Saints play in SA, I will most likely go to the game.

:lol
I might even go. And you know I don't like football.:lol

[2pac]

So I just filled my truck up with gas.

Went inside, grabbed a coke and went to pay for the gas.

The attendant said to just leave the money on the dresser. :(

[Kori Ellis]

By the way, if anyone wants to give money to the Red Cross Operation Katrina Relief here locally in S.A., the number is 351-1366 or you can stop by Cross Roads Mall on the Fredricksburg side they are taking donation. I think they have over $112K so far.

[Horry For 3!]

:lol
I might even go. And you know I don't like football.:lol
You love football but not as much as me. ;)

[Ginofan]

9:45 A.M. - Dave Matthews Band is expected to announce a concert today benefitting the hurricane victims.


Dave Matthews Band will likely play a benefit concert for Hurricane Katrina victims, according to Billboard. The concert will be an additional date to the already 3 night stand at Red Rocks, Colorado (Sept. 9-11). All proceeds from the Monday Sept. 12 show will benefit Katrina victims. This creates a unique four night stand for the band. For those few that have no idea, Hurricane Katrina made final landfall August 29th and has destroyed and flooded parts of Mississippi and Louisiana. Mayor Ray Nagin of New Orleans when asked how many deaths were expected said, `Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands.' If true, it would make the storm by far the nation's deadliest hurricane in more than a century. They mayer is also reporting that the city will not be functional for two or three months because of the damage and flooding. AntsMarching.org (http://www.antsmarching.org/story.php?NewsID=434)

[j-6]

So I just filled my truck up with gas.

Went inside, grabbed a coke and went to pay for the gas.

The attendant said to just leave the money on the dresser. :(

I thought the gas stations were fucking us!

[ObiwanGinobili]

$122 K so far for disaster relief... but i wonder if thats just the called in donations?
i don;t think it includes all the cash and checks they've gotton at crossroads.

[Vashner]

I think the airport in NO is open for military / humanitarian flights only during daytime. The AF will setup a mobile air combat control station there soon (radar) and maybe it can be working 24x7 if they get the runway lights on a generator. That should be where a lot of the people come from...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I really hope they get the Saints a game in the Dome on the 18th. And I really hope SA knocks it out of the park by taking donations at the game, and the people of SA step up.

[Kori Ellis]

Obiwan, I didn't understand if that was the total either. I heard earlier that they had collected 40K in checks/cash at CrossRoads today so far.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Obiwan, I didn't understand if that was the total either. I heard earlier that they had collected 40K in checks/cash at CrossRoads today so far.


Yeah, they just showed a big graphic with that # on it, but no further info.
It;s got me kinda confused.
I like to think that s just the call in /allready counted amount and that there is even more out in those buckets. :fro

[SpursWoman]

Yes, SA is awesome. I hope the Saints play in SA, I will most likely go to the game.



I'm there for sure....but I like football and I've never gotten to go to a pro game... :)




Now they just have to get the ones that need help here.....

[Horry For 3!]

I really hope they get the Saints a game in the Dome on the 18th. And I really hope SA knocks it out of the park by taking donations at the game, and the people of SA step up.
I'm sure if they do have it, it will be sold out and the city of New Orleans will benefit.

[2Blonde]

$122 K so far for disaster relief... but i wonder if thats just the called in donations?
i don;t think it includes all the cash and checks they've gotton at crossroads.And I wonder if that includes the online donations made directly to the Red Cross.

[Jelly]

I'm glad that Bush has enlisted the help of Bush Sr. and Clinton to oversee relief efforts. It shows an awesome solidarity between former political adversaries.
George W. does love to slight Carter though :lol

[Kori Ellis]

And I wonder if that includes the online donations made directly to the Red Cross.

No, it doesn't. I think it's only the stuff locally through Operation Katrina Relief.

[SpursWoman]

So I just filled my truck up with gas.

Went inside, grabbed a coke and went to pay for the gas.


The attendant said to just leave the money on the dresser. :(



"....and GTFO?"


:lmao

It hadn't changed from ONLY $2.89 from yesterday where I ususally go.....

[1369]

Not to throw water on the city's plan, but did they say where they are going to house the folks at Kelly? I had an office there for a while (doing work for Standard Aero/Lockheed), and there is not a whole lot of places that I can remember that would house people. Unless they're planning on erecting a tent city, I don't know where they would put them.

[2Blonde]

On a positive note... I was really proud of my daughter yesterday. When she got home from school I showed her the online donation form from where we donated to the Red Cross so that she could see that we donated in memory of my Dad, who died earlier this year. I thought that would make her feel better. After she saw that she walked over to her savings jar and handed me $50 (a lot for a kid) and ask me to go online and donate it in her name in memory of her grampa to the Red Cross Hurricane Relief.

She sure knows how to suck up to me. :lol

[Extra Stout]

It looks as if not even the federal government understood the scope of this thing when it happened.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I'm glad that Bush has enlisted the help of Bush Sr. and Clinton to oversee relief efforts. It shows an awesome solidarity between former political adversaries.
George W. does love to slight Carter though :lol


:tu they are like the Super Duo. If they let Carter in on it they'd be UNSTOPPABLE.. he's very respected by the outside world.

[1369]

The wife went online today and donated $200 and when I get home this weekend, I plan on going through all our clothes (especially the daughters baby clothes and toys) and taking them to either the Salvation Army, or if we can, directly to Kelly.

[Jelly]

I'm starting to like the governor now because she's been on the TV bitching out the looters. Go Gov!

[2Blonde]

I think Bush Sr. & Clinton make such a cute couple. :spin

[Vashner]

The salvation army guy just said avoid clothes and stuff just send money at the moment and large size canned goods.

[Jelly]

:tu they are like the Super Duo. If they let Carter in on it they'd be UNSTOPPABLE.. he's very respected by the outside world.



yeah, but not too respected in the "inside world" as he is seen snuggling up to Castro and Chavez.

[Master Shake]

Its a terrible terrible tragedy about whats going on here...

[Jelly]

I think Bush Sr. & Clinton make such a cute couple. :spin

yes, they do. Sort of like Laurel and Hardy. Or Lucy and Desi. Fred and Ginger. I love to see them together. It warms my heart.

[ObiwanGinobili]

desperate SOS just now from mayor of NO.
have run out of supplies, area unsanitary and undafe.
are allowing people to march to I-10.
doesn't anticipate enough buses.


:depressed

[Jelly]

sad, tragic, and embarassing.

[ObiwanGinobili]

1:09 P.M. - (AP): The singer known for "Blueberry Hill" and "Ain't That A Shame" has been missing since Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.


His agent says Fats Domino planned to ride out the storm at his house in a low-lying area of the city with his wife and daughter.


Al Embry says he spoke with Domino Sunday night by phone, but hasn't been able to contact him since. Embry says he would think Domino is safe because "somebody said he was on top of the balcony."


Domino is 77 and has rarely appeared in public in recent years

:depressed. I hate to say it, but i thought that he had died years ago.
I LOVE Blueberry Hill.

[Vashner]

Why can't they throw some food and water out of the choppers like they did in Indonesia?

[travis2]

Not to throw water on the city's plan, but did they say where they are going to house the folks at Kelly? I had an office there for a while (doing work for Standard Aero/Lockheed), and there is not a whole lot of places that I can remember that would house people. Unless they're planning on erecting a tent city, I don't know where they would put them.

I thought I heard on the radio they were going to use the big hangar...

[Extra Stout]

I've seen third-world countries do a better job than this on disaster relief.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

THey need to get the airport open, even one runway, and start flying in 747s, 767s, and 777s to fly people out.

But what do I know, FEMA's got everything under control :rolleyes

[Dex]

On a positive note... I was really proud of my daughter yesterday. When she got home from school I showed her the online donation form from where we donated to the Red Cross so that she could see that we donated in memory of my Dad, who died earlier this year. I thought that would make her feel better. After she saw that she walked over to her savings jar and handed me $50 (a lot for a kid) and ask me to go online and donate it in her name in memory of her grampa to the Red Cross Hurricane Relief.

She sure knows how to suck up to me. :lol

Too cute. You're daughter definitely has a very good heart. You're obviously doing something right there. ;)

I do a little at home Telemarketing work on the side, and we've started taking calls for the Red Cross donation lines. My phone was ringing off the hook this morning with people giving donations. I took orders for at least $2000-$3000 worth of donations in about 4 hours time, as well as dozens of calls from people wondering what else they can send, or offering places in their homes for victims who dont have anywhere to go.

It's inspirational just to see that people really are trying to do whatever they can for this disaster. There may be hope for humanity in America, after all. :spin

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

New Orleans Homeland Security Chief Terry Ebbert calls FEMA's response to Hurricane Katrina an embarrassment.

Can't say I disagree with him.

The sad thing is both parties have been cutting FEMA funding on Capitol Hill for years. Fucking idiots.

[1369]

I thought I heard on the radio they were going to use the big hangar...

I think that Boeing has those hangars, but there may be some towards the end of the runway that are empty.

[Jelly]

Why can't they throw some food and water out of the choppers like they did in Indonesia?

that's what we're all asking Vashner. I don't get it. I'm astounded, and frankly a little shaken, at what our government can't do. I'm still trying to hold on to a glimmer of hope that the news media is just blowing everything way out of proportion and that it isn't nearly as bad as it seems.

[travis2]

I think that Boeing has those hangars, but there may be some towards the end of the runway that are empty.

Well, they gave a value of 340,000 sq.ft. available...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says. More soon.

Per CNN.

Fucking ridiculous. Time to give a shoot to kill order to the National Guard.

[SpursWoman]

I think Bush Sr. & Clinton make such a cute couple. :spin

That's what I always think when I see them together....it's funny. :lol

[1369]

Well, they gave a value of 340,000 sq.ft. available...

They do have a number of empty buildings out there that probably add up to that if not more. I'm not too sure about A/C in most of them though.

[samikeyp]

Our office has started a Hurricane Relief Donation Station. Non-perishable food and clothes.

Anybody elses doing the same?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168129,00.html

France setting up relief teams to come in from the Caribbean. Sad thing is they'll probably be in La., set up and helping before FEMA figures out what's going on.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I do a little at home Telemarketing work on the side, and we've started taking calls for the Red Cross donation lines. My phone was ringing off the hook this morning with people giving donations. I took orders for at least $2000-$3000 worth of donations in about 4 hours time, as well as dozens of calls from people wondering what else they can send, or offering places in their homes for victims who dont have anywhere to go.



:tu thats is soo awesome!! sometimes i feel like theres alot of apathy and shoulder shrugging in this world.. but hearing stuff like this, and seeing the reports of others donations and offers of real help on TV.... wow.
I have hope now.
It';s soo nice to see everyone coming together.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Our office has started a Hurricane Relief Donation Station. Non-perishable food and clothes.

Anybody elses doing the same?

We're setting up shifts to go cook meals at shelters in Dallas, and have set up a food/clothing/money drive with a church that is going to take all the collections on a trip to Mississippi to help.

[ObiwanGinobili]

i think I just heard FEMA ask (beg) for 10bil. from congress... anyone else catch that exactly?

[cheguevara]

New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says. More soon. -CNN :oops

[samikeyp]

2blonde....kids like yours are reason why this world still has hope. very sweet.

[ObiwanGinobili]

1:32 P.M. - New Orleans Homeland Security Chief Terry Ebbert calls FEMA's response to Hurricane Katrina an embarrassment.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i think I just heard FEMA ask (beg) for 10bil. from congress... anyone else catch that exactly?

1. Congress is reconvening in emergency session to grant funding.

2. FEMA should have been doing this before the disaster. The fact that they've supposedly had their "cat 5 hurricane hits NO" plan and been refining it for the last 20 years tell me a lot of people were doing a pretty shitty job planning, giving what's going on right now.

[Jelly]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168129,00.html

France setting up relief teams to come in from the Caribbean. Sad thing is they'll probably be in La., set up and helping before FEMA figures out what's going on.

now THAT would be embarrassing. Come on America !! We can handle this!!

[SpursWoman]

2blonde....kids like yours are reason why this world still has hope. very sweet.



My daughter started going through her drawers looking for stuff....and then she gladly volunteered my whole paycheck. :spin

[MannyIsGod]

And people wonder why I'm a libertarian. Yeah, the government would be able to fuck anything up.

[2Blonde]

i think I just heard FEMA ask (beg) for 10bil. from congress... anyone else catch that exactly?
No, but I just heard the President call the Gulf Coast the Gulf Coach. :lol

[Jelly]

Man..Bush is pulling a Governor Blanco. He looks shaken and insecure. He's practically stuttering.:oops

[MannyIsGod]

:lol Thats Bush all the damn time. Com'on now.

[2Blonde]

My daughter started going through her drawers looking for stuff....and then she gladly volunteered my whole paycheck. :spin

:lmao :lmao

[batman2883]

CNN reports
-- New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think FEMA right now is the perfect example of why bureaucracy and politics suck. Talk about paralysis by analysis.

Someone call Bush, I could do a better job right now than they're doing.

[Jelly]

And people wonder why I'm a libertarian. Yeah, the government would be able to fuck anything up.

So Manny, are you ready to go back on your statement from yesterday...and I paraphrase

"I have no doubt that our government and in particular W are doing everything to the best of their ability"

or you can just say "Jelly was right" :)

[ObiwanGinobili]

BUSH-
"don't buy gas if you don't need it"

[batman2883]

Who the fuck would open sniper fire under a circumstance like this?? Crazy ass mofo's

[MannyIsGod]

Jelly was right. I have no problem saying I'm wrong when I'm wrong.

[Extra Stout]

New Orleans Homeland Security Chief Terry Ebbert calls FEMA's response to Hurricane Katrina an embarrassment.

Wasn't he the guy that said the levee breaches would be fixed in a matter of three hours or so, and who said that deaths would be relatively low, and that things were being blown out of proportion?

Pot, meet kettle.

The states of Texas and Mississippi are acquitting themselves well here. Texas is doing a much better job than the feds, much better. We know what the hell we're doing over here. You can tell Mississippi is doing OK considering their hardships because you're not hearing much.

FEMA is a shell of what it was before it was placed into DHS. The Director of Homeland Security should be fired. If this is how DHS handles a natural disaster, I shudder to think what they'd do after a terrorist attack. Good job, Dubya. I may vote Democrat in 2006 just out of spite.

Louisiana officials are so disgustingly incompetent in all of this I think after this is all said and done the state should be stripped of self-rule and run like Washington, D.C. i mean, we always used to joke that the state is more like a third-world country than it is like the rest of the U.S., but apparently that wasn't a joke.

I'm getting pretty angry. I understand the conditions are horrible, but everyone knew this would happen someday, and nobody was prepared to do anything.

Michael Savage said last night that FEMA a few years ago identified the problems, had an action plan which would have been implemented by now, and asked for funding, but were told, sorry, we have to spend that money on the Iraq war.

So, let me get this straight: we're in Iraq to protect the homeland (somehow) from terrorist attacks which may or may not happen, so we can't spend money to mitigate natural disasters which are guaranteed to happen.

On 9/11, we lost 3,000 people and a few city blocks. Now, we're losing probably 50,000 people and an entire city.

Great priorities, Republicans!

[Jelly]

BUSH-
"don't buy gas if you don't need it"

:lol :lol
yeah, I don't think many of us are buying gas for recreational purposes anymore!

[nkdlunch]

BUSH-
"don't buy gas if you don't need it"

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Some updates on the tropics from Jeff Masters.....


The most significant threat in the tropics is the potential on Sunday or Monday for a tropical depression to develop in the waters between the Bahamas and Bermuda. This is the same location that Katrina developed. This development would occur at the tail end of a cold front that is expected to push off of the East Coast. The latest GFS model run is showing two possible areas of formation, one near Bermuda, and one near the east coast of Florida. If a depression does form near the east coast of Florida, the likely track would be across Florida and into the Gulf of Mexico. If formation occurs closer to Bermuda, the likely track would be northeastward away from land. I think it is unlikey that two systems would form in the this region; the energy for storm formation will probably concentrate in one area and create one storm. Let's hope that if this occurs, the formation region will be closer to Bermuda and the storm will head out to sea.


Not good, not good.

[ObiwanGinobili]

1:54 P.M. - Emergency Operations spokesman: Hospitals overwhelmed.


1:53 P.M. - Emergency Operations spokeswoman: 49,800 people in shelters in this state right now. Room for 70,000 more.


1:48 P.M. - Blanco: troopers from Arkansas, Texas and Kentucky coming in to help restore order. Sheriff's deputies from as far away as Michigan.


1:47 P.M. - Blanco: I've requested 40,000 troops.


1:47 P.M. - Governor Blanco: Superdome now under control, evacuations resume.

[Jelly]

Jelly was right. I have no problem saying I'm wrong when I'm wrong.

you're a scholar and a gentleman :king

[ObiwanGinobili]

:lol :lol
yeah, I don't think many of us are buying gas for recreational purposes anymore!


reminds me of that scene from Zoolander... :lol

[Jelly]

reminds me of that scene from Zoolander... :lol

remind me..I could use a laugh.

[SpursWoman]

:lol Thats Bush all the damn time. Com'on now.


You beat me to it, and I LIKE President Bush. :lol

[batman2883]

Is no one caring about the Sniper shooting people in New Orleans?

[samikeyp]

You beat me to it, and I LIKE President Bush

me too. sad. I thought he did well after 9/11 but now....oy.

[Extra Stout]

Who the fuck would open sniper fire under a circumstance like this?? Crazy ass mofo'sThe people think that the government is intentionally leaving them to die, so they've gone mad and are just shooting at whatever authorities they can find.

[Vashner]

Is no one caring about the Sniper shooting people in New Orleans?
Like last years Romero's Undead movie...

[ObiwanGinobili]

remind me..I could use a laugh.


his 3 male model roomates get in a "water fight" at the gas staion.. but they use gasonline pumps instead of water hoses.. :lmao.

[MannyIsGod]

Thats the problem with our political system and how sensation driven it is. Politicians get votes by showing their constituants they are "fixing problems", problems that aren't a big news makers don't get put into the spot light.

Sure, everyone cares about abortion and keeping the gays from marrying, but no one cares to look at the environmental problems we have across the country. This is only one diaster that had the potential to happen out of MANY.

So yes, we should be angry at this time, but we have to be a bit introspective and point some of that anger at ourselves for allowing this country to remain ignorant to very real dangers.

[Extra Stout]

BUSH-
"don't buy gas if you don't need it"Because, of course, gasoline is optional for most people.

Sheesh. Go back to your ranch.

[ObiwanGinobili]

The people think that the government is intentionally leaving them to die, so they've gone mad and are just shooting at whatever authorities they can find.


thast what I'm picking up too.
the peopel they've interviewd so far feel like all hope is lost.... :(
now if a crazy guy with a gun feels like that = danger .

[Vashner]

Actually environmental clean up has been big business since the first round of base closings in the 90's. When your dealing with billions of gallons of contaminated water it's gonna take time. Army core is good at water.. then next will come tractors to clean up the waste and tear down stuff .. dig everything out.

The politicians sign papers, bark orders and give money.. after that it's now up to the grunts to get shit done now....

[Jelly]

his 3 male model roomates get in a "water fight" at the gas staion.. but they use gasonline pumps instead of water hoses.. :lmao.

hysterical. I've only seen parts of that movie. I'll have to rent it.

I'm in real estate development, so I particularly liked the part where he is looking at the mock-up model for his new "center for retarded kids" or whatever. He gets mad and says "is this a joke?! no way can you fit 500 kids in that...why, it would have to be at least 3 times that size" :lol

[Extra Stout]

So yes, we should be angry at this time, but we have to be a bit introspective and point some of that anger at ourselves for allowing this country to remain ignorant to very real dangers.
Houston has made a lot of the same stupid mistakes. Low-lying areas that once were kept undeveloped because of their exposure are now solid housing and retail.

If a Cat 4 or 5 hit Galveston Bay, it wouldn't be as bad as it is in New Orleans as far as death because the emergency command, evacuation, search and rescue, and refugee plans are vastly superior, but 1 million would be left homeless.

[ObiwanGinobili]

hysterical. I've only seen parts of that movie. I'll have to rent it.

I'm in real estate development, so I particularly liked the part where he is looking at the mock-up model for his new "center for retarded kids" or whatever. He gets mad and says "is this a joke?! no way can you fit 500 kids in that...why, it would have to be at least 3 times that size" :lol

:lol
center for kids who can't read good. .... priceless! :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

2:04 P.M. - (AP) Fights and trash fires broke out, rescue helicopters were shot at and anger mounted across New Orleans on Thursday, as National Guardsmen poured in to help restore order across this increasingly desperate and lawless city.


"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and he and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing -- no food, no water, no medicine.


Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the government is sending in 1,400 National Guardsmen to help stop looting and other lawlessnes in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.