Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[ObiwanGinobili]

2:11 P.M. - Blanco: Please stop broadcasting that there is "shooting in the Superdome." She said everyone brought inside was checked for weapons before entering. "There is no shooting inside the Superdome." She says the incorrect reports are upsetting the people inside of the dome who have been very calm.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Michael Savage said last night that FEMA a few years ago identified the problems, had an action plan which would have been implemented by now, and asked for funding, but were told, sorry, we have to spend that money on the Iraq war.

So, let me get this straight: we're in Iraq to protect the homeland (somehow) from terrorist attacks which may or may not happen, so we can't spend money to mitigate natural disasters which are guaranteed to happen.

On 9/11, we lost 3,000 people and a few city blocks. Now, we're losing probably 50,000 people and an entire city.

Great priorities, Republicans!

This is the current Democratic rallying cry, and total BS. FEMA has known about the New Orleans situation for nearly 20 years, and no one on Capitol Hill felt it was important enough to do anything about.

The whole "there's no money due to Iraq thing" is something someone put in an article, but not relevant. Even the governor of La. and the senators there didn't do much to try and facilitate any kind of work to protect NO, instead going with the "roll the dice it won't happen on my watch" gameplan.

[j-6]

I don't know how much longer these people are going to last. Snipers shooting at medical workers, rescue helicopters drawing fire, people overturning ambulances.

The actions of a few are about to fuck the majority out of their lives.

[MannyIsGod]

ES, It is like that up and down the eastern seaboard and on the gulf coast. People have built wherever they can and thats why even weak 'canes that come in cause so much damage.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The good about another storm coming in is all the assholes fucking things up will be wiped out.

The bad thing is all the good people who genuinely want to live will be too.

[MannyIsGod]

Look, I've tried to look at this situation without bringing Iraq into it...but the fact is our troops being in Iraq has hurt us here in regards to the recovery. We have so many assests over there, that we can't normally do some things we do here. It is extremely apparent in regards to manpower.

Now, if you feel Iraq is justified is not the point. But you have to realize that our troops being over there is having a very real effect on this situation.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Airport spokeswoman Michelle Duffourc: Armstrong International Airport did become operational on Tuesday, August 30 for humanitarian relief flights and civilian and military rescue efforts. Since opening the airfield, several of our commercial air carriers, including American, Southwest, Northwest, Continental, United, and Delta have all sent in aircraft with relief supplies and have taken out the stranded travelers as well as all others who wanted to depart the Airport. In total over 100 employees, 200 stranded passengers and 400 others were flown out of Armstrong International.

They should be flying out everyone they can.


Corps of Engineers: Lake water continues to go down. Dropped two to two and a half feet in the past two days. Work progressing on plugging break in levee. Sandbags dropped and pilings being driven. Engineer says progress is "looking good."

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

but the fact is our troops being in Iraq has hurt us here in regards to the recovery. We have so many assests over there, that we can't normally do some things we do here. It is extremely apparent in regards to manpower

Last night on NBC they discussed this with the governor of La. and she said they had over 50% of their National Guard troops available, and that the war in Iraq was not an issue as far as resources go.

Bringing the politics of Iraq into it is misguided, IMO. The most obvious and dominant problem is that FEMA doesn't know what the hell they are doing. We couldn't bring in the US Army to NO anyway, it's not allowable. NG is, and they are there.

I will concede that they need to be getting more troops in there faster, right now it looks like FEMA just doesn't give a fuck or doesn't know where to begin.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't understand why there isn't a massive airlift of supplies at this time. Are all of our military transport planes in service ? Fuck.

[Jelly]

If this situation doesn't turn around quickly, the Katarina disaster debacle is going to haunt Bush far longer than Iraq will.

[j-6]

I've been using WWL for my news, but I have CNN on in the other room.

It is a sad fucking thing that the rescue teams can't evacuate those hospitals. It's Thursday, goddamnit. We've been hearing of their plight since Monday.

[2pac]

Fats Domino is missing and feared dead.

[Jelly]

Well, they just interviewed a refugee who arrived at the Astrodome and said he got lots of help and sent "much love" to Bush and the government. I don't think he was a plant. lol.

So that's one happy customer.

[Jelly]

I think Bush is going to be crucified when all this is over. Seriously.

[1369]

. We couldn't bring in the US Army to NO anyway, it's not allowable. NG is, and they are there.

You sure AHF? I do realize that troops are bound by posse howeveryouspellit, but remember back during the riots in L.A. after the Rodney King verdict that U.S. Marines were sent from Camp Pendleton to help establish order there.

[1369]

I think Bush is going to be crucified when all this is over. Seriously.

I think you're right. Even though most policies and plans were made well before his administration, it happened on his watch and right about now the government (city, state and federal) looks like it doesn't have a clue what to do.

[Jelly]

Fats Domino is missing and feared dead.

Very sad. But you know, he is an example of people that most definitely could have evacuated and didn't.

[MannyIsGod]

12,000 troops on the ground, so hopefully the area will be secured.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I think Bush is going to be crucified when all this is over. Seriously.

Jack Cafferty just went off. Not against Bush- more against FEMA.
He said that in his 62 years after having seen watts riots, the San Fransisco quake etc etc that he's never seen an operation as bungled as this.

[Ginofan]

I don't know if anyone has seen this or not, but I figured I'd post it anyway...


How You Can Help

LAST UPDATE: 9/1/2005 2:07:16 PM
Posted By: CyberBob
This story is available on your cell phone at mobile.woai.com.

The number one way you can help the Katrina refugees is by making a monetary donation at StormAID.com.

But many generous San Antonians have called us wanting to know how they can donate something besides money.

* Would you like to volunteer some of your time?
* Do you have a job you can offer?
* Bulk food supplies?
* Donate vehicles?
* How can you adopt a pet?
* Want to offer your home to a family?

Whatever it is, the number to call is 211. If you live outside of San Antonio or have a cell phone, you can call (210) 227-4357.

The 211 hotline is a public/private partnership between the Texas Health and Human Services Commission and the United Way of San Antonio and Bexar county. This is the central information clearinghouse for all volunteer and donation activities.

Important Note: The relief agencies strongly discourage the donation of clothes.
Link (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=2591869D-F08E-42A2-B4EB-90960FC2C71C)

[j-6]

I think Bush is going to be crucified when all this is over. Seriously.


He went into this with a pretty low approval rating, and with the way this is being handled, I can't argue.

[Vashner]

I think Bush is going to be crucified when all this is over. Seriously.

Can we put the Bush hate aside or keep it in the political forum for now?

WTF is he supposed to do? He did his job now it's up to the machine to work.

If you want to bash the President more please go to NBADans' tin foil post.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well, they just interviewed a refugee who arrived at the Astrodome and said he got lots of help and sent "much love" to Bush and the government. I don't think he was a plant. lol.

So that's one happy customer.

I've seen many refugees interviewed, and there seems to be a stark difference in the mindset of the ones who went to the Superdome and rode it out (happy, feel they're being taken care of), versus the ones that rode it out, got in trouble, and are now *expecting* their needs to be met first.

Like I said, I watched some lady last night sit there and bitch on CNN about how her and her family didn't think it was going to be bad (dumbass), had to be rescued by chopper, and now were at the Dome stuck in a long line waiting for their turn to get on a bus (shocker).

Said she wanted hot food, warm showers, and a place to live for her and her family. Lady, look around, there's an entire city looking for the same thing.

She did everything but play the race card.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think Bush is going to be crucified when all this is over. Seriously

Well the buck does stop at the top and unfortunately for him FEMA/DHS is looking like the penultimate keystone kops at the moment.

[j-6]

I've seen many refugees interviewed, and there seems to be a stark difference in the mindset of the ones who went to the Superdome and rode it out (happy, feel they're being taken care of), versus the ones that rode it out, got in trouble, and are now *expecting* their needs to be met first.

Like I said, I watched some lady last night sit there and bitch on CNN about how her and her family didn't think it was going to be bad (dumbass), had to be rescued by chopper, and now were at the Dome stuck in a long line waiting for their turn to get on a bus (shocker).

Said she wanted hot food, warm showers, and a place to live for her and her family. Lady, look around, there's an entire city looking for the same thing.

She did everything but play the race card.


Something to think about is when people like that lady start poisoning the attitudes of the grateful folks that played by the rules when they were read after they all get placed in refugee shelters.

[SpursWoman]

I realize all of this is under Bush's watch, but really....is "baby-sitter to men who get paid a shit load of money to be able to handle things like this" in the scope of duties?

I know...I heard he's even responsible for my allergies, that contemptable bastard. Maybe if he hadn't been on vacation he could have come up with a cure.

That's just the way it goes, I know...but I'd rather be pissed off at the fucker(s) who are dropping more balls than Beno in a final's series and will ultimately be the reason more people than need be are going to die from this.

[2pac]

Very sad. But you know, he is an example of people that most definitely could have evacuated and didn't.

Jelly - you are truly an idiot.

You have no clue what his situation is. He could be disabled. He could be the husband or father or grandfather of someone that is disabled and was unable to move them.

[Marcus Bryant]

The chances of the aftermath of a natural disaster such as Katrina being calm and orderly were slim to none to begin with.

You know what, fuck it. If in your world all it takes is clicking the 'make pefect now' button then go ahead and start assigning blame.

In my world I am wondering if my family members are alive or are rotting dead corpses under what used to be a house, somewhere.

So stop the fucking partisanship already and contribute something for a change you fucking googling experts.

[1369]

I've seen many refugees interviewed, and there seems to be a stark difference in the mindset of the ones who went to the Superdome and rode it out (happy, feel they're being taken care of), versus the ones that rode it out, got in trouble, and are now *expecting* their needs to be met first.

Like I said, I watched some lady last night sit there and bitch on CNN about how her and her family didn't think it was going to be bad (dumbass), had to be rescued by chopper, and now were at the Dome stuck in a long line waiting for their turn to get on a bus (shocker).

Said she wanted hot food, warm showers, and a place to live for her and her family. Lady, look around, there's an entire city looking for the same thing.

She did everything but play the race card.

I would imagine it won't be long before someone gets up in front of a camera and questions/implies that the lighter skinned folks in the SF/Northridge/Andrew disasters got help much quicker than the darker skinned ones in NO.

[samikeyp]

Said she wanted hot food, warm showers, and a place to live for her and her family. Lady, look around, there's an entire city looking for the same thing.

People like that are almost thinking that the government sent the hurricane on purpose. jeez...its not all about you! Its about everyone, shut up and lend a hand.

[Vashner]

Bunch of C130's landed at airport... 8 Chinooks are now working on sandbags at the levy. etc...
Maybe if you could do it over again you would just fly in water and food instead of all the 2-5000 people rescued by chopper so far off roofs?

[j-6]

I realize all of this is under Bush's watch, but really....is "baby-sitter to men who get paid a shit load of money to be able to handle things like this" in the scope of duties?

I know...I heard he's even responsible for my allergies, that contemptable bastard. Maybe if he hadn't been on vacation he could have come up with a cure.

That's just the way it goes, I know...but I'd rather be pissed off at the fucker(s) who are dropping more balls than Beno in a final's series and will ultimately be the reason more people than need be are going to die from this.

I think he should have been more proactive early on, but he's not going to deserve the sheer amount of shit I feel he's about to take, even though he's ultimately in charge.

[Extra Stout]

So stop the fucking partisanship already and contribute something for a change.I think a whole lot of us are doing our part.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Jelly - you are truly an idiot.

You have no clue what his situation is. He could be disabled. He could be the husband or father or grandfather of someone that is disabled and was unable to move them.

yeah, the note on WWL saud he is 77.. and he rarely appears in public... that maybe because he has an illness.


edit: :oops, but I'm not agreeing that Jelly is an idiot, just with the other part.

[Jelly]

Jelly - you are truly an idiot.

You have no clue what his situation is. He could be disabled. He could be the husband or father or grandfather of someone that is disabled and was unable to move them.

and 2pac you are truly an asshole for calling me an idiot.

Fats Domino is someone who has quite a lot of money and could have left, regardless if he is disabled. He could have left. If he has died, that is incredibly sad. But I am sadder for those no names that had no money, no friends with money, no transportation, and no chance of getting out.

fuck you.

[SpursWoman]

In my world I am wondering if my family members are alive or are rotting dead corpses under what used to be a house, somewhere.

So stop the fucking partisanship already and contribute something for a change you fucking googling experts..


I'm very sorry that you haven't heard anything from your family yet.....but a lot of us have done or will be doing quite a bit to contribute in one way or another.

[Extra Stout]

I watched some lady last night sit there and bitch on CNN about how her and her family didn't think it was going to be bad (dumbass), had to be rescued by chopper, and now were at the Dome stuck in a long line waiting for their turn to get on a bus (shocker).

Said she wanted hot food, warm showers, and a place to live for her and her family. Lady, look around, there's an entire city looking for the same thing.

She did everything but play the race card.I hope people don't take her situation and blame the authorities for it.

There are a whole lot of people who make stupid decision after stupid decision, take no responsibility for it, then get mad because the world doesn't drop everything and cater to their needs first.

So I don't put a lot of stock into what she says. I do wonder why authorities didn't figure on a whole lot of people having that attitude and fomenting unrest.

There are a lot of people who got to whatever shelter they could, and are now in danger because FEMA has its head up its ass and can't get them out, while the roving hordes menace them nearby in the floodwaters.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

2:20 P.M. - Airport spokeswoman Michelle Duffourc: There have been hundreds of helicopter operations over the past 3 days as the helicopter are bringing in people that are being rescued from throughout the region to transfer to civilian and military aircraft to take them to points of safety.

Nice, good to see.


Maybe if you could do it over again you would just fly in water and food instead of all the 2-5000 people rescued by chopper so far off roofs?

Both. They were trying to get people off the roofs because they thought there was no hope of stopping the levy from flooding the city, abandoning that is the equivalent of death sentences for all those people stranded.

[ObiwanGinobili]

2:48 P.M. - Gov. Blanco: "Thousands" are believed to be dead. And between 200 and 300,000 people still need to be evacuated from the city. 2,400 people are still waiting to be evacuated from the Superdome.


One official said the Army Corps of Engineers are currently driving pilings, dumping sand, into the breaches in the levee. Concrete barriers will go up after the sand is laid down. They will assess the pumps, and it could take as long as one month before the water is completely drained from the city. The Army Corps is being escorted to the levees by State Police.


Blanco said 12,000 National Guard troops from various regions in the nation are being deployed to the area, bringing the total number of troops to 40,000. The Governor added that looters will be dealt with. Blanco said Baton Rouge has its own concerns with refugees, who have reportedly been causing similar trouble in the state capital.


Hospital evacuations are going well. Chalmette and Tulane Hospitals are emptied.


No casualty list reported yet.

[Vashner]

I think he should have been more proactive early on, but he's not going to deserve the sheer amount of shit I feel he's about to take, even though he's ultimately in charge.

That's call Micromanagement ... it's not good to do that..

West Wing on TV is not real btw....

Let the folks do what they do.. let Bush do his job and stay the fuck out of the way.

There are a lot of good Americans on the way to help.....

[2pac]

and 2pac you are truly an asshole for calling me an idiot.

Fats Domino is someone who has quite a lot of money and could have left, regardless if he is disabled. He could have left. If he has died, that is incredibly sad. But I am sadder for those no names that had no money, no friends with money, no transportation, and no chance of getting out.

fuck you.

That post proved how much of an idiot you are and that you are talking out your ass with no actual knowledge of the situation.

Fats Domino lived in the 9th Ward. No one that has money lives there. Maybe you should try to think a little before you post and maybe have a little compassion on teh people that lost everything - many even their lives.

[Marcus Bryant]

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I'm very sorry that you haven't heard anything from your family yet.....but a lot of us have done or will be doing quite a bit to contribute in one way or another.


I appreciate that. I am referring to those who would like to immediately blame the hurricane's destruction on certain politicians or political parties.

[Jelly]

Can we put the Bush hate aside or keep it in the political forum for now?

WTF is he supposed to do? He did his job now it's up to the machine to work.

If you want to bash the President more please go to NBADans' tin foil post.

Vashner,
I am not a Bush hater and I'm not bashing the president. I was predicting - and it's a god damned good prediction as it's already happening even in conservative blogs- that Bush is going to get crucified over this. As 1369 said, it may not be his doing, but all this happened on his watch and he is the leader of this country. And this country looks ill-prepared for this disaster.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There are a whole lot of people who make stupid decision after stupid decision, take no responsibility for it, then get mad because the world doesn't drop everything and cater to their needs first.

She just looked and sounded like one of those types who is destined to be on CNN calling the administration racist for not dealing with the "colored people."

Like I said, she should be thankful she's alive and on dry land. A lot of her neighbors are probably floating dead somewhere face down on their street or in their attic.

I hate ungrateful fucks who think the world revolves around them.

[Jelly]

That post proved how much of an idiot you are and that you are talking out your ass with no actual knowledge of the situation.

Fats Domino lived in the 9th Ward. No one that has money lives there. Maybe you should try to think a little before you post and maybe have a little compassion on teh people that lost everything - many even their lives.

who says I don't have compassion? Go fuck yourself 2pac.

[Extra Stout]

The Governor added that looters will be dealt with. Blanco said Baton Rouge has its own concerns with refugees, who have reportedly been causing similar trouble in the state capital. Houston and San Antonio are going to have similar problems.

It's our responsibility to save those people, but New Orleans had a ridiculous crime rate, and it's not as if those people are going to become less disruptive in this situation. Texas cities are going to have a crime wave around these camps. Be ready for it.

So just be prepared for less than gracious behavior from many refugees, and violent criminal activity from a few.

[2pac]

The words you post show you dont have compassion, dumbass.

You have no clue what you are talking about but act like your word is fucking golden, when it is really nothing more than a piece of shit wrapped in yellow foil.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Baton Rouge has its own concerns with refugees, who have reportedly been causing similar trouble in the state capital.

Sadly I see the same thing happening in San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas, despite our generosity :(

[ObiwanGinobili]

Analysis: When is looting okay?

02:39 PM CDT on Thursday, September 1, 2005
Associated Press

As New Orleans has descended into chaos, desperate residents have stolen ramen noodles, loaves of bread, cases of soda -- basic survival needs in a painfully empty city. Others have taken jewelry, TVs and even guns.

The devastation left behind by Hurricane Katrina has raised difficult questions of ethics: When, if ever, is looting OK? When is it acceptable to break the law -- and what happens when law itself breaks down?


In New Orleans on Thursday, Monica Laguard sobbed almost uncontrollably as she placed items she had taken from a store's shelves into plastic garbage bags to take them to her shelter in a nearby school.

She was taking children's clothing and snack foods. She could not find water.

"I've got to get back to my children," she said. "I've got to get back to my children."

Ethicists and social psychologists said in interviews that rules of human behavior -- including respect for others' property and for social order itself -- dissolve quickly in desperate circumstances like the storm's aftermath.


"Obviously stealing things like TV sets or beer or any items that aren't crucial for survival, that's a nonstarter," said Mark Bernstein, a professor of applied ethics at Purdue University. "There would be no ethicist in the country that would think that's proper behavior."


But he quickly made an analogy: If the only pharmacy nearby were closed, and it had a drug your mother needed to stay alive, breaking into the pharmacy would be the right thing to do.

"If it's truly for survival -- and I emphasize that, really for your children or wife -- I think you have an obligation to your family that is at least as strong as the respect you have to pay other property owners," he said.


In the cauldron of lawlessness that is New Orleans, these ivory-tower hypotheticals are being played out with life-or-death consequences.


Outside a Rite-Aid pharmacy where thieves had commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break the glass, a woman on a bicycle rode up Thursday and asked whether police were making arrests inside. Told no, she said, "I'm a diabetic. I need test strips. I'm down to two. I don't know if my insulin's any good. It hasn't been on ice."

Carrying toothpaste, toothbrushes and mouthwash, Earl Baker walked up to a reporter and said: "All of this is personal hygiene. I ain't getting nothing to get drunk or high with."

In the first days after New Orleans flooded, local police took a relatively relaxed attitude toward refugees stealing food, water and other necessities. The police chief and mayor said they understood people were trying to survive.


But as the looters have grown more brazen, law enforcement has begun to crack down, especially when thieves have taken guns or preyed upon innocent people with food and water.

By Thursday, National Guard, state and local police were deployed from search-and-rescue operations specifically to restore order to the city.


Jan Boxill, associate director of the Parr Center for Ethics at the University of North Carolina, draws a clear line: Looting on its face is wrong because it's stealing.


But she said New Orleans appears to have regressed into what ethicists call the state of nature -- an atmosphere without rules or infrastructure, where the needs are so great that anything goes.


"It isn't that it justifies it," she said, "but where there's no laws that can help anybody, one way or the other, obviously people need what they need to survive."


Some of the looters marauding through the city have clearly gone beyond survival needs. On New Orleans' Canal Street, dozens of looters ripped open the steel gates on clothing and jewelry stores and grabbed merchandise. At a Wal-Mart, looters brazenly filled shopping carts with microwave ovens, coolers and knife sets. Some walked out of a sporting goods store with armfuls of football jerseys.

And, most terrifyingly, looters have been breaking into stores all over New Orleans and stealing guns. New Orleans' homeland security chief said gangs of armed men are moving around the city, in some cases shooting at police.


Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist at the University of Virginia, said some people might see widespread looting and not want to be left out -- to "feel like a sucker."


He compared it to sitting in traffic and watching people zoom past on the shoulder of the road: "We curse that person. But then another person goes by, and another, and we say, `If everyone else is doing that, I'm going to, too."'

--------------------------------------------------

awesome story. covers all sides.
just had to post it.

[2pac]

HOUSTON (AP) - Tempers flared at the Reliant Astrodome amid rumors among newly arrived evacuees from the Superdome in New Orleans that there was no more Dome Foam available at the south concourse concession.

"They're treating us like animals!" declared Anton Jackson as he wrestled a seat cushion from the venerated stadium's lower concourse area and lobbed it at stunned Texas National Guardsmen.

[2pac]

"HURRICANE KATRINA'S LEGACY"

=

"RUIN; RAGE; ANARCHY-LIKE ACTS"

Nice Anagram

[ObiwanGinobili]

whats dome foam?

[Vashner]

I don't think people people in seats is a good idea.. Tent city much better.. they need to walk and lay down..

It's just like a prision... but worse (dome idea)..

For windstorm shelter it was a great idea.. but after that get them out..

[2pac]

I am hoping it is those foam guns that spray stick foam to keep hoodlems from moving.

I think it is some type of inexpensive food-like substance.


Who gets the Aramark bill?

[Jelly]

She just looked and sounded like one of those types who is destined to be on CNN calling the administration racist for not dealing with the "colored people."

Like I said, she should be thankful she's alive and on dry land. A lot of her neighbors are probably floating dead somewhere face down on their street or in their attic.

I hate ungrateful fucks who think the world revolves around them.

Other countries are getting an earful of this. I posted earlier that I heard on BBC radio last night at least 10 interviews of people, like this woman, just raging against the government and local authorities for not doing anything.
And a few of them did say that if they were white they would've gotten help. Of course, BBC just laps up stuff like that.

[Jelly]

Germany's Fischer Offers Help to U.S. After Hurricane Katrina
Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- German Foreign Minister Joschka offered assistance to the U.S. government in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, which has caused devastation on the U.S. Gulf Coast.

``The federal government is prepared to give any assistance or support to bring this terrible natural disaster and its effects under control,'' Fischer said in an e-mailed statement today, without elaborating on the offer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Something just struck me... this disaster may very well bridge the gap between Old Europe and Bush when all is said and done.

[Jelly]

from BBC..
"Domino, 76, lives with his wife Rosemary and daughter in a three-story pink-roofed house in New Orleans’ 9th ward, which is now under water.

On Monday afternoon, Domino told his agent, Al Embry of Nashville, that he would “ride out the storm” at home. Embry is now frantic."

If he was broke, he certainly wouldn't still have an agent...or a 3 story house for that matter. I have a feeling he's not poverty stricken.

[Jelly]

Something just struck me... this disaster may very well bridge the gap between Old Europe and Bush when all is said and done.

now, that would be ironic.

[samikeyp]

West Wing on TV is not real btw....

Oh yeah? Well when President Bartlet fixes all this, you'll see! :)

[MannyIsGod]

Somehow the anchorwoman on WWLTV saying how sad it is for people that have lost summer homes in mississippi isn't dredging up a lot of sympathy within me.

[SpursWoman]

Somehow the anchorwoman on WWLTV saying how sad it is for people that have lost summer homes in mississippi isn't dredging up a lot of sympathy within me.


huh!?!

Unless they were there and are now buried beneath them, wtf?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Somehow the anchorwoman on WWLTV saying how sad it is for people that have lost summer homes in mississippi isn't dredging up a lot of sympathy within me.


Unless they were in them, who cares?

[2pac]

A lot of houses are three stories and not very big, because the tracks of land are small. My uncle had a place that was 4 stories and had about 2,000 sqft.

Agents get paid when the stars get paid. Being the agent of someone like Fats Domino who doesnt perform anymore is probably more of a title thing.

His agent certianly isnt going to say "Fats Domino is going to ride out the hurricane because he and/or his spouse is fat and disabled and dont really have a choice."

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, thats what I'm saying. She was all, "My husband is sad because he used to spend summers in Mississippi and now he won't be able to and he has memories. And lots of people are going to be devestated because they have summer homes in the area and lots of memories"

GMAFB

[Jelly]

Somehow the anchorwoman on WWLTV saying how sad it is for people that have lost summer homes in mississippi isn't dredging up a lot of sympathy within me.

that reminds me of an interview on the Today Show with a tearful Mrs. Ken Lay, talking about how difficult their financial situation had become, but she said she'd weather the storm because "we've been poor before, but we made it through" then the camera goes to her new house under construction, which was much smaller than the palace they had just been forced to sell. Her new place had a much smaller pool and only 8 bedrooms. Then the camera goes back to her wiping tears from her eyes. :cry

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, some people are just really out of touch.

[2pac]

The people with summer homes are the people paying the taxes that pay for all the cleanup.

[2pac]

Ken Lay's wife deserved to get hit with a tackhammer for being such a dumb broad.

[Marcus Bryant]

Parts of the Mississippi coast, like Biloxi and Gulfport, used to be the spot for people from NO back in the late 19th century and early 20th to have vacation homes. Some have been kept in the families for generations. Sure, some are wealthy but then others are not so much. So I'm sure for some there was a sentimental loss, as well as a financial one.

Are we supposed to be happy that those homes were damaged/destroyed? To do so, we have to presume they accumulated those homes through unlawful means. Otherwise, I guess it's a knee jerk 'fuck the rich' reaction. Sorry, I'm not feeling like a class struggle today.

[SpursWoman]

The people with summer homes are the people paying the taxes that pay for all the cleanup.


I'm pretty sure there's going to be govenment monies alloted for that.


At least those people still have their *main* home to go back to...relatively speaking, their loss is NOTHING compared to what others are faced with. It's sad, but not devastating.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe those people lost 2 homes.

[Extra Stout]

I'm pretty sure there's going to be govenment monies alloted for that.Government monies come from taxes.

Most taxes are paid by the kind of people who have summer homes on the coast.

[Spurminator]

I'm sad for everyone who lost anything.

[2pac]

I'm pretty sure there's going to be govenment monies alloted for that.


At least those people still have their *main* home to go back to...relatively speaking, their loss is NOTHING compared to what others are faced with. It's sad, but not devastating.

Most of the people with summer homes in gulfport and biloxi are NO residents. Some are probably from upstate MS as well.

Guess where government money comes from? 85% of taxes are paid for by the top 25% of wage earners. Guess who has summer homes? It sure as hell isn't me, I had about 5k in taxable earnings.

[SpursWoman]

Maybe those people lost 2 homes.


Then that would be sad, too. In that assumption are you figuring one of them to be the one where they lived? Where pretty much everything they own was in it?

As far as summer/vacation homes go...it's never a good thing to lose something meaningful to you, but in my mind it still doesn't equate to those who have nowhere familiar to sleep tonight and are missing loved ones.

[SpursWoman]

Government monies come from taxes.

Most taxes are paid by the kind of people who have summer homes on the coast.


And lots of taxes are paid by people who don't have homes on the coast.

[Jelly]

Nice article



here's part of it..

Big Texas-style welcome for evacuees

Janet Shamlian
Correspondent

HOUSTON — With the evacuation of New Orleans under way, the Houston Astrodome has been outfitted to welcome the thousands of displaced people from the Crescent City.

NBC News Janet Shamlian reports from the Astrodome on how the facility has been set up to accommodate those fleeing the wreckage of Hurricane Katrina and some of the problems that have already come up.

What is the scene like at the Houston Astrodome?
It’s much different than what the Astrodome has looked like over the past several years because it has been vacated for four years now, since Houston built a new stadium.

click link for the rest...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9160993/

[2pac]

A man pulled up with his trailer BBQ pit yesterday and cooked hundreds of hot dogs for survivors. They wouldnt let him serve them because he didnt have a permit.

:td:


edit: this was at the Afrodome.

[SpursWoman]

A man pulled up with his trailer BBQ pit yesterday and cooked hundreds of hot dogs for survivors. They wouldnt let him serve them because he didnt have a permit.

:td:


edit: this was at the Afrodome.


Are you serious??

[2pac]

Yep. No health liscence.

[Spurminator]

Hastert: Don't Rebuild New Orleans (http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CBMPGG5.html)

[SpursWoman]

Yep. No health liscence.



I wish I would have known...I'd have sped down there with mine. That sucks sooooo bad. :(

[j-6]

Hastert: Don't Rebuild New Orleans (http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CBMPGG5.html)


A lot of us two days ago (including me) agree with Hastert. Do you, or has anything changed your mind either way?

[Extra Stout]

As far as summer/vacation homes go...it's never a good thing to lose something meaningful to you, but in my mind it still doesn't equate to those who have nowhere familiar to sleep tonight and are missing loved ones.Just because a disaster isn't as bad a catastrophe as the apocalypse in New Orleans doesn't mean we shouldn't care. I know there's grief overload right now, but a significant part of the Mississippi culture and history got wiped out. It pales in comparison to the horror in New Orleans, but then again, pretty much any tragedy we'll ever face in our lives does.

[SWC Bonfire]

If they do rebuild, they will not be able to get insurance without raising the level of the city above sea level a la Galveston post-1900.

[Spurminator]

I actually agree with Hastert. I think it sounds courageous to say "We will not be defeated by this hurricane, we will rebuild New Orleans." But it's not very logical to me.

Of course, I also wonder if it wouldn't be inevitable that people would migrate there and it would build up on its own anyway, considering coastline property is always in such high demand.

[j-6]

4:15 P.M. - (AP): Police say storm victims are being raped and beaten inside the New Orleans Convention Center.

About 15,200 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile.

Police Chief Eddie Compass says he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob.

Compass says, "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten."

He says tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.

In hopes of defusing the unrest at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they can find. But the bedlam appeared to make leaving difficult.

[Extra Stout]

Hastert: Don't Rebuild New Orleans (http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CBMPGG5.html)That headline was inaccurate.

What he said what that it didn't make sense to rebuild the city below sea level. And I'd have to agree with that. After Galveston got demolished in 1900, they rebuilt it higher, above a new seawall.

[Spurminator]

Yeah you're right, I did misinterpret the comments the first time through.

I guess "Don't Restore New Orleans" would have been more appropriate.

It makes sense. You can't keep people from migrating there eventually, so they need to take steps (while they can) to ensure that those people are not living with this kind of risk.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is a great blog I was just given the heads up on (well, great in that it's insider info., not so great what they are reporting....)

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/



The word is that in Jefferson Parish and Orleans, FEMA has "bugged out." They haven't brought supplies in.

THE REAL MILITARY IS NOW FLOWING IN. National Guard is being replaced before our eyes. Watch the feed.

Word is that the Marines are at 1515 Poydras where our OC4s are. I think we're coming back online in force shortly.

On another note: I've just been told that we're being monitored in Iraq! To all the troops there, from one soldier to another, we're hanging tough here and you hang tough too. No matter what you're hearing, we love you guys and want you to know that we know how hard you've got it. Stay strong!

[samikeyp]

Word is that the Marines are at 1515 Poydras where our OC4s are. I think we're coming back online in force shortly.

sad to see those words because it means the situation has gotten out of hand but glad that they are there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:(

Email from someone in Baton Rouge...


Not trying to scare anyone, but it's getting insane in Baton Rouge. Unfortunately, I can barely make any outgoing calls and I keep hearing that it's hard to call my cell phones too. Anyways, there's a lot of riots breaking out over here. A couple of Walmarts have shut down...even schools that began again have had to discontinue and send children home due to the riots. The Baton Rouge population has about doubled with all homeless people and they're not leaving any time soon. My apartment complex is loaded with all kinds of strangers and I can't tell if they're family/friends of residents or if they're just homeless people hanging around. The apartment management even shut down their business center and workout room because they kept finding homeless people in there. My manager's wife got held up at a Walmart last night. Another lady at work said that her mother inlaw was held up at the gas station. Another manager of mine said that his neighborhood, which is really nice, was getting robbed since most of the people weren't even staying there due to the electricity outages. My friend's mom was going to volunteer at the Cajun Dome in Lafyette but the Sheriff told her not too since someone was raped last night. We're playing the radio at work and they said that they had to bring in a swat team into the Baton Rouge Centroplex (where about 5000 refugees are) because riots were breaking out over there. Anyways, it's really creepy and it's getting worse. Sorry I can't call you guys back. I don't know if any of you have tried calling. I keep getting voicemails and a lot of times, I can't even check them due to the towers being so bogged down. Well, this email is to let you guys know that I am ok, and I'm not staying alone for a while hopefully.

Get ready San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas, you're all in the crossfire of this crap too.

[Vashner]

Told ya.. AMMO.. more ammo...


Message for Tenants of 650 Poydras - Poydras Center

We recieved the below email from building management. We are asking for help from tenants in our building. We need bottled water, hand sanitizer, general cleaning supplies, self cleaning stuff, germx, baby wipes, etc.. Big diesel gloves. underwear. (34, 36, 38's whatever), socks (white), razors/deodorant men's and womens, a portable chemical toilet, .45 ACP ammo if possible

If you have any of the above supplies at the office and you are willing to let us borrow them then please send us: 1) your suite number; 2) the supplies that you are willing to let us borrow; 3) the exact location of where the supplies are located; 4) your contact information; and 5) some form of laundry detergent.

If you do the above we will: 1) be able to get into your suite to obtain the supplies; 2) While getting the supplies we will also check your suite for damage and perform a little work to help you mitigate damage; 3) we will track what we borrow; 4) we will pay you back; and 5) we will eventually send you a status update.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Maurice Faucheux [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Hertz New Orleans Properties

[j-6]

http://www.local6.com/news/4923019/detail.html
Police: Miss. Man Kills Sister Over Bag Of Ice

Authorities say 35-year-old Antonio Page shot his sister with a handgun on a street corner Tuesday night.

Police Chief David Wynn said the woman's name was not available.

Wynn said tempers are short, but he can't understand why a member of someone's family could take that step.

The shooting is being treated like a homicide, Wynn said.

[Vashner]

Yea I saw that one.. they arrested the brother.. Temporary insanity I would say.

[j-6]

Byars said she and a friend passed a plywood board that had been nailed over a building's windows in their Garden District neighborhood. On the board was this spray-painted message to looters: "Don't try. I am sleeping inside with a big dog, an ugly woman, two shotguns and a claw hammer."

[SpursWoman]

Byars said she and a friend passed a plywood board that had been nailed over a building's windows in their Garden District neighborhood. On the board was this spray-painted message to looters: "Don't try. I am sleeping inside with a big dog, an ugly woman, two shotguns and a claw hammer."


And that was probably written in jest... :fro

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Man, I am out of town from Dallas on business until tomorrow.

Looks like it may be time to go procure some new friends when I get back to town - Smith and Wesson.

[Ishta]

This shit is getting out of hand...People are dying..I'm sure it is a logistical nightmare, but they need to get some fucking help to those people.

[2pac]

My cousin goes to LSU and went to NO to ride out the storm with some friends. He was bussed to Houston.

I dont know how to get in touch with him, but I hope his pathetic butt is stuck at the Afrodome. I'm not gonna try to find him.

[Jekka]

Has anyone had any success calling the line in the WOAI article? I called 211 because I coudln't get through on that line and I got rolled over to a Houston United Way call center.

Any ideas?

[Jelly]

I just talked to my Dad who has just retired yesterday after 45 years with the Army.

I told him I thought the rescue efforts were outrageously inadequate and where was the army? but he has now convinced me that we are all being irrational and expecting miracles. He asked me "have you ever tried move an entire battalion or a platoon with <insert military jargon>...and blah, blah, blah." I had to confess that I had not, in fact, ever had to do such a thing. I can't repeat everything he said (not because he swore, but because it's in militaryspeak.) But basically it is ridiculous for us to expect an immediate large military presence with relief supplies when all but one road to the city is destroyed.
When I asked why don't they helicopter people out in Chinooks, he said they can only hold 30 people (he may be wrong, cause I thought a Chinook could carry 50). In any case, he said they are starting to do that. But still even these buses only hold 60 people, and when you have 100K people to evacuate.....it's a long process. He said a bunch of other stuff that made sense too, but I can't repeat due to the aforementioned military/civilian translation problem. :lol

So anyway, I feel less mad. FWIW.

[MannyIsGod]

I have a grasp on the logistical sitaution and the difficulty of it, and it is really easy to get caught up with monday morning quaterbacking, but there is simply a lack of organization.

[TOP-CHERRY]

Does anyone know/read/heard why there are snipers shooting at helicopters and ambulances?

[MannyIsGod]

I think the reports of snipers are uncomfirmed.

[TOP-CHERRY]

I think the reports of snipers are uncomfirmed.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.hospital.sniper/index.html

[MannyIsGod]

They had peoploe on WWLTV saying that some of those reports were not accurate. There is so much reporting going off nothing but word of mouth accounts that we're going to get things reported that turn out to be exagerated or false.

[Jelly]

There is so much reporting going off nothing but word of mouth accounts that we're going to get things reported that turn out to be exagerated or false.

I'm hoping that this whole mess is going to turn out to be exaggerated and false.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Earlier the national guard said that they had no confirmation of shots fired at helicopters and that no national gaurdsmen or pilots had reported such.

[Kori Ellis]

SPURS AND H-E-B SAY THANK YOU WITH PRESEASON TICKETS FOR YOUR DONATION TO THE AMERICAN RED CROSS DISASTER RELIEF FUND

WHAT: Beginning tomorrow, Sept. 2 until Friday, Sept. 16, Spurs Sports & Entertainment is asking the San Antonio community to continue their outpouring of support for Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

With every donation of $50, fans will receive 2 tickets to one of the upcoming Spurs preseason games in October. Tickets are while supplies last.

Up to 10,000 H-E-B Club 200 tickets for the four preseason Spurs games will be available. Cash, check, money order and credit/debit cards will be accepted at the box office. One hundred percent of the donations made at the SBC Center Box Office will go to the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund.

On Friday, September 2, the SE SBC Center Box Office will be taking donations from 8 a.m. - 6 p.m. On Saturday, September 3 & Sunday, September 4, the NE SBC Center Box Office will be taking donations from 11:30 a.m. - 9 p.m. The SBC Center Box Office will be closed on Monday, September 5 for Labor Day. After the holiday, the SE SBC Center Box Office will be taking donations Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. - 6 p.m.

[SpursWoman]

That's cool! :elephant

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't know if this has been posted, but I just found out that Texas State has taken in some students from Loyola.

We'll have the story on Tuesday.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Way to go Spurs... Hope they sell them out, that's $500K.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

WTF? They have this evacuee couple on Fox News and this lady is saying "we couldn't eat the Army food, it was cold."

That's the same shit our troops eat in Iraq every fucking day lady. Same food our troops ate in the trenches in Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Damn that pisses me off.

[Spurminator]

Some footage of a man on CNN leading the Convention Center refugees in a chant of "We want help."

He pointed at the camera and said "We're coming for you! No more lies! (Leads chant) You see that? All these people you let die? This is your fault! No more!"

[Jelly]

WTF? They have this evacuee couple on Fox News and this lady is saying "we couldn't eat the Army food, it was cold."

That's the same shit our troops eat in Iraq every fucking day lady. Same food our troops ate in the trenches in Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Damn that pisses me off.

yeah. That pissed me off too. First she was saying they hadn't eaten. Then she clarified and said..."well, no hot meals" :wtf

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He pointed at the camera and said "We're coming for you! No more lies! (Leads chant) You see that? All these people you let die? This is your fault! No more!"

Well, that's one way to make sure you don't get rescued...

[T Park]

Some footage of a man on CNN leading the Convention Center refugees in a chant of "We want help."

He pointed at the camera and said "We're coming for you! No more lies! (Leads chant) You see that? All these people you let die? This is your fault! No more!"

Hes ina convention center, what else does he want, food??


Its hard to critisize the refugees to be patient.

But thats all you can say, you have to TRY and be patient, its more than tough I can imagine.



Fox just had an interview with some kids at the BR evacuation center and interviewed the kids, showed other kids eating having a good time.

Showed some famalies saying thank you.

They said they had a film day for the kids, showed The Incredibles and stuff.


A little sunshine, and a continuingly black cloud...

[timvp]

A little sunshine, and a continuingly black cloud...

:fro

[Spurminator]

Fats Domino found alive and well per his manager on MSNBC.

I only caught the end...

[T Park]

come on LJ stop looking for shit.....


Seriously.


THe biggest problem they now say, are people are asking what kind of help they are gonna get for jobs I suppose.

The Mayor of NO supposedly cant walk around outside without cover.

Mitch Landreiu "The unlawfullness is out of control, but thanks to the national guard, its getting under control"

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

We finally got our Web site back up and running. This was today's editorial.

-----

http://www.universitystar.com/current/article.php?aid=701

The Main Point
Texas shows its heart in neighbors' time of need
By Star Editorial Staff

The situation in the Gulf states continues to deteriorate in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Public health fears are rising as authorities worry that diseases such as cholera, typhoid and dysentery may be contaminating the drinking water and food.

Mayor C. Ray Nagin of New Orleans believes the death toll may now be in the thousands, and President George W. Bush has said the recovery could take years.

It’s a wonder how people are fighting to survive through all of this.

What’s not a wonder is the amount of support the American people are lending their countrymen.

Gov. Rick Perry announced today that not only will the Houston Astrodome serve as a refugee area for people displaced after the new evacuation announcement of the Crescent City, but also that the children and young adults among them will be able to attend classes in Texas public schools.

Rice University is allowing Houston-area students enrolled at Tulane University this semester to take classes without paying tuition, and Southern Methodist University will do the same for Tulane students from the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.

In this extraordinary time of need, we ask the administration at Texas State to allow students of Gulf-state universities from South and Central Texas the same opportunities to continue their education.

The Hullabaloo, the campus newspaper of Tulane, has suspended production until further notice as its staff also assesses needs in the recovery effort. We look forward to their return and the voice they provide for the Green Wave community.

Anheuser-Busch has shipped more than 12,000 cases of drinking water, and closer to home, H-E-B stores in San Antonio, Houston, Austin and Waco, along with stores in the Gulf Coast and Valley regions, are accepting donations for the relief efforts on Friday.

As of Wednesday evening, the two local stores were not accepting donations but did offer referral services to those who sought it.

Countless other companies, charities, individuals and groups are helping the relief efforts.

Clarewood and University Club apartments are taking donations as is the Non-Traditional Student Organization. NTSO is seeking any nonperishable items as well as diapers and formula from today until Sept. 14 at its office in the LBJ Student Center, Room 4-3.1.

The Texas State athletic department, in conjunction with Sac-N-Pac, will pass out popcorn buckets during the football game Saturday to solicit donations for the relief effort.

The Bobcats’ opponents, the Delta State Statesmen, hail from Cleveland, Miss. While the university was not directly affected by the hurricane, many of the student-athletes, staff and fans were.

Saturday’s game is the perfect opportunity to show the true spirit of Texas State. After the gridiron competition is finished, let’s wish the Statesmen, their extended families and the residents of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama the best for a quick recovery.

[T Park]

Catholic Charities USA

dont know the number the flashed it up there quick but,

they are accepting volunteers and donations.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Catholic Charities USA

dont know the number the flashed it up there quick but,

they are accepting volunteers and donations.

http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/news/katrina.cfm

Contribute Now Online

Mail Checks To:
Catholic Charities USA
2005 Hurricane Relief Fund
PO Box 25168
Alexandria, VA 22313-9788
Call:
(800) 919-9338

Federal ID number: 53-0196620

[Kori Ellis]

Saints eyeing Baton Rouge for home schedule
ESPN.com news services


NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue says it's unlikely the New Orleans Saints will play in New Orleans this season after the devastation Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath inflicted on the city, but the team told ESPN that keeping games in Louisiana is a priority.

"At this point you have to proceed on the assumption … that they may be unable to play in New Orleans at all for the entire season," Tagliabue said Thursday in an interview with CNBC.

"If things evolve in a positive way, then that would be something that we could adjust to. But our assumption is that for planning purposes, we should assume it will be difficult if not impossible to play in New Orleans at all this year."

The Saints will move into a hotel in San Antonio, Texas, this weekend and practice in San Antonio in preparation for their regular-season opener at Carolina Sept. 11. They have spent this week in San Jose, Calif., and played their final exhibition Thursday night in Oakland.

But it still hasn't been decided where they will play their regular-season opener Sept. 18 against the New York Giants or play the rest of their games.

Saints general manager Mickey Loomis on Thursday told ESPN's Colleen Dominguez the team would prefer to play this season's home schedule in Louisiana and the logical choice would be LSU's Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. Loomis expects a decision to be reached in a matter of days.

The New Jersey Sports & Exposition Authority, which runs Giants Stadium, has offered to host the upcoming Giants-Saints game in New Jersey. It would likely be played Monday, Sept. 19 because the Jets will play Miami that Sunday at Giants Stadium.

Tagliabue said moving the game to New Jersey was one possibility.

He also said games could be played at another NFL stadium or at a non-NFL stadium. He didn't name any specifically, but the Alamodome in San Antonio seats 65,000 for football, about the same as the Saints' regular home at the Superdome in New Orleans, which was heavily damaged by Katrina.

Tagliabue, who announced on Wednesday that the NFL was donating $1 million to the recovery effort, added that the emphasis should be the total recovery of the region hit by the hurricane. So did Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the NFL Players Association in a statement released on Thursday, although Upshaw did not immediately say what form the union's help would take.

"We want to really emphasize above all that sport is a small part of life," Tagliabue said. "We want to use are visibility and the respect we have with the public and the respect our teams have to support the national recovery program. That's the big thing."

[Horry For 3!]

They would be dumb to not play in the Alamodome. As Coach Hasslet told the Saints players after tonight's pre-season game, they will fly to SA and he is giving them the weekend off to find homes and schools for their kids.

[Ginofan]

This is a pretty awesome pic of the eye of Katrina from a Steve Gregory email that Manny forwarded.

K 3 --The eye of the storm as seen by the Hurricane Hunters Notice the 'bowl like' shape of the eye, with the actual eye 'core' looking like a
drainage hole in a sink. This image vividly displays how the storm on IR
imagery gave the appearance of a 50NM wide eye, while the RECON
reported the eye was 22NM across.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/2967/450pxhurricanekatrinaeyeviewed.jpg

[T Park]

Ya know after watching CNN and Fox reporting whats going at the convention center.

4 days, without anything?

the cops are held up in their own police station??


Shit, we helped out the freakin asians quicker than this.


Mr. Bush, this is beyond unexcusable.

If this is what OUR Billions of tax dollars has gone to, with FEMA and Homeland Security.

Then IMO, he has failed us as a president.

[T Park]

Papa Johns of Houston donated 25 Grand AND

took all 12 hundred employees out to the Astrodome and cooked pizzas for them.


Big big big ups to Papa Johns.

[Spurminator]

Nobody knew about the people at the Convention Center until today.

That's what they're saying anyway.

[T Park]

Aaron fuckin Brown :rolleyes

Asks this woman and her daughter

"How long do you expect to stay at the dome?"

Dude, they just lost everything.

WTF KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT?!?!?!?!

[spurschick]

Why do they have to wait for congress to get back before they can do anything? They keep saying that they called congress back early and need to wait til over the weekend when they can vote for the disaster relief money. WTF?! I seriously hope that help isn't being held back because of money.

[T Park]

Nobody knew about the people at the Convention Center until today.


That is beyond, BEYOND unacceptable.


I seriously hope that help isn't being held back because of money.


Wouldn't suprise me in the least....

[T Park]

Houston rules.


TEXAS fuckin rules.

Look at the hospitality Houston, SA, Dallas has shown.


New meaning to the words "Damn proud to be a fuckin Texan"

BTW, from what Ive heard GOV Perry has handled everything pretty well so far.

THe hanlders in SA and Hou from what Im hearing on the cable news networks deserve big ups for their good stuff.

[T Park]

Not too keep making posts,

me and my family have an old, OPERATABLE generator, that works great.

365 KW Generator Cat powered.

If anyone knows of any contacts me and my family can make to donate this generator, that would be great.

[T Park]

FYI CNN

Phil Hardberger on right now

[T Park]

"City council decided, We will write checks to take care of these people right now. We will get reimbursed, but we dont care right now"

[T Park]

AArong brown just made up for it

"One of my favorite towns, and the genrosity of your town is not suprising, and its great to hear Mr Hardberger"


BTW,

Acadiana, will they do the catering??



BTW, I wouldn't be suprised if our own Spurs are out there helping out.


After that interview, the pride of my state, my town, makes me want to cry...

[T Park]

BTW,

why are we the only ones doing anything??

Hellooooo??

Florida? Oklahoma?

Tennesse???

Hello? Mcfly?? You nimrods there?!?!

[Ginofan]

BTW,

why are we the only ones doing anything??

Hellooooo??

Florida? Oklahoma?

Tennesse???

Hello? Mcfly?? You nimrods there?!?!

I'm sure other states are doing stuff...but we are the closest, and probably the most able to help out...

[Vashner]

The highway's leading east where mostly wiped out or covered in debris.

[T Park]

I'm sure other states are doing stuff

Just like

"Im sure the GOVT is helping the best they can"

And they find out today, "Oh, there is a whole convention center of people, DURRRRRR WE DIDNT KNOW IT WAS THER DURRRRRRRRRRRR"

FUcking incompetence is ascanine.

The fuckin Asians and Iraqis get treated better than this.

[Ginofan]

Just like

"Im sure the GOVT is helping the best they can"

And they find out today, "Oh, there is a whole convention center of people, DURRRRRR WE DIDNT KNOW IT WAS THER DURRRRRRRRRRRR"

FUcking incompetence is ascanine.

The fuckin Asians and Iraqis get treated better than this.

Just because YOU aren't hearing about it, doesn't mean it's not happening. You do realize that people couldn't go east out of N.O.? Katrina hit Florida too if you don't remember. Get off your high horse man.

[Vashner]

A C130 is due to land at Kelly in a few minutes full of fugies.

[T Park]

Im on a high horse cause Im expecting things should be operating better???

Ok.....

These places were declared disaster areas the day BEFORE the storm hit.


Everything taking this long?? Is beyond unacceptable.

I dont give a shit if saying that puts me on a high horse.

[MannyIsGod]

Ok, we get the point. Move on.

[Ginofan]

Here you go TPark, some NON TEXAS help.

Tennessee Relief Workers Bring Much-Needed Supplies To Storm Victims (http://www.newschannel5.com/content/katrina/14174.asp)

Tennessee Schools Open Their Doors To Students Affected By Katrina (http://www.newschannel5.com/content/katrina/14169.asp)

Mayor Calling For Tulsa To Be 'Safe Haven' For Katrina Victims (http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0905/256714.html)

[T Park]

GOod to see.

The TV stations havent broadcasted that stuff I apologize.



Move on.

Oh Im sorry boss.....

[baseline bum]

WTF? They have this evacuee couple on Fox News and this lady is saying "we couldn't eat the Army food, it was cold."

That's the same shit our troops eat in Iraq every fucking day lady. Same food our troops ate in the trenches in Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Damn that pisses me off.

WTF? I've eaten the rations before that friends have brought me back, and they're in a bag that uses a chemical reaction or something to heat the food, which comes out very hot... so much so, you have to realistically wait a couple of minutes before putting it into your mouth unless you're a nut.

[T Park]

If that is true, that is dissapointing..

[MannyIsGod]

Tell me, do you have to try to be such an obtuse aloof individual or is it natural talent?

[T Park]

Pardon me for having an opinion.

Do you have to critisize, and demean, and put down everyone that puts on here and be a fuckin asshole?

Its cool.

You can have an opinion and talk about stuff, and everyone else can, but me??

No.

Hilarious...

[MannyIsGod]

Nevermind, man, nevermind.

[T Park]

Of course...

[Clandestino]

yeah, fuck that ho.. i saw her.. she was bitching about the mres...

[Guru of Nothing]

Manny, I love you man, but sometimes you have to recognize that you are addressing the world through a keyboard.

No matter how much it hurts, don't argue.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, I love you man, but sometimes you have to recognize that you are addressing the world through a keyboard.

No matter how much it hurts, don't argue.
:lol http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smipctoss.gif

[Guru of Nothing]

:lol http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smipctoss.gif

And I love TPark too.

Obviously I've been drinking!

[Jelly]

T Park,
people and organizations from every state are helping out. Texas, as the closest state that isn't also fucked up, is obviously in a position to offer shelter and give the most immediate help. Be proud to be Texan, but don't go slamming everyone else...they're all doing their part and they don't deserve your critizism. And they're not just sending supplies and money, Governor Barbour said national guard troops from states all over the U.S. are on their way. You owe 49 states an apology. hmmm....okay, 46 if we subtract LA, MS, and AL, but I digress......get off your sanctimonious high horse man.

[T Park]

obviously..... No one would admit to actually liking me.....

[Clandestino]

where are the fucking carnies in all of this? they have campers and shit to house people

[T Park]

people and organizations from every state are helping out. Texas, as the closest state that isn't also fucked up, is obviously in a position to offer shelter and give the most immediate help. Be proud to be Texan, but don't go slamming everyone else...they're all doing their part and they don't deserve your critizism. And their not just sending supplies and money, Governor Barbour said national guard troops from states all over the U.S. are on their way. You owe 49 states an apology. hmmm....okay, 46 if we subtract LA, MS, and AL, but I digress......get off your sanctimonious high horse man.

And if NONE of that is known to me, or none of that is broadcasted on the national cable shows??

HOw is that my fault.

Get off my high horse. Pardon me for wanting whats best for these poor people downtown NO.

4 days, without help, is inexcusable from the NATIONAL Govt.

If that puts me on a high horse, I dont give a fuck.

[T Park]

where are the fucking carnies in all of this? they have campers and shit to house people

now I see why Jekka has you on ignore.

[Guru of Nothing]

obviously..... No one would admit to actually liking me.....

I like you.

Check your PMs for proof.

[Ginofan]

And if NONE of that is known to me, or none of that is broadcasted on the national cable shows??

HOw is that my fault.


It's your fault for not researching it. You are on the internet you know...all it takes is a little googling.

[T Park]

t's your fault for not. You are on the internet you know...all it takes is a little googling.



GOOGLE GOOGLE

whos on the high horse now....

[Ginofan]

They are turning busses away from the Astrodome...supposedly they are full! Probably heading to SA now.

[MannyIsGod]

now I see why Jekka has you on ignore.
:lol He's not the only one she's thought of putting on ignore. http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smiangel.gifhttp://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smiangel.gif

[Guru of Nothing]

where are the fucking carnies in all of this? they have campers and shit to house people

As one smart-ass to another, you disappoint me.

[Ginofan]

GOOGLE GOOGLE

whos on the high horse now....

How is using google to become informed, being on a high horse? You're a moron.

[MannyIsGod]

Tpark, you can't be critical of a situation if you don't have all the facts. And when you're wrong about something, just admit it and be gracious about it.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

I'm sorry to interrumpt the flaming war, but I have a question, it would be nice if someone could answer it. Are the levees still broken? Any plan to repair them has been abandoned?

This could get worse if the people that is still in the city isn't evacuated before it rains, imagine what could happen if heavy rains fall on the city with the broken levees, the water could raise even more, sinking the roofs were peple are taking shelter.

Good luck to them, I hope they can get out alive.

[T Park]

He's not the only one she's thought of putting on ignore

because I disagree about BUsh??

I assume your talking about me. If not, I apologize.


Turning people away from the Astrodome, THEY ARE FULL.

What they told em

"Take em to another town"

R U fuckin kidding me. Open up the goddamn Reliant Center, that this is HUGE.

If people have to stay in offices, Oh fucking well.

[T Park]

you can't be critical of a situation if you don't have all the facts. And when you're wrong about something, just admit it and be gracious about it.

agreed and I do.

Im critical of the situation these people at the NO convention center are in.

Im critical of the situation the people STILL IN NO are in.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm sorry to interrumpt the flaming war, but I have a question, it would be nice if someone could answer it. Are the levees still broken? Any plan to repair them has been abandoned?

This could get worse if the people that is still in the city isn't evacuated before it rains, imagine what could happen if heavy rains fall on the city with the broken levees, the water could raise even more, sinking the roofs were peple are taking shelter.

Good luck to them, I hope they can get out alive.
I really don't think any rain is going to make the water come up anymore. The lake size is so large that it would have to rain an enourmous amount. Rain at this point really is the least of the worries.

As far as I know, the floodwall to the canal has not been fixed yet. Even when it is fixed, it will be weeks if not months before the water is all pumped out.

[Jelly]

Why would you just assume that the other states aren't helping? I saw a feature on the news yesterday that showed what ordinary citizens all over the country were doing. They showed truckers loading up in Minnesota with supplies their city donated, and similar activity in Kentucky, Oregon, Utah, New York, Vermont. All people getting ready to make a long haul down south with truck loads of supplies. This is just something I saw on TV, but even if I hadn't I would never doubt that this is going on. If you really felt that no state other than Texas was doing anything, you should have googled to double check your facts before blowing up about it.

As far as the Federal Government, I can't really argue with you.

[Duff McCartney]

It's official...New Orleans is full of total shitbags.

[T Park]

re the levees still broken?

from what I last hear, havent had an update lately.

They are, but they are supposedly still dumping sandbags at it.

Dont know if thats true still.

[MannyIsGod]

agreed and I do.

Im critical of the situation these people at the NO convention center are in.

Im critical of the situation the people STILL IN NO are in.
Ok, and thats fair. Don't react to everyone in such a knee jerk manner. You take things on here personal sometimes and people don't even intended them in that manner.

[MannyIsGod]

The Astrodome is full. A fire marshall for the state says they can't put anymore people in there.

[T Park]

Why would you just assume that the other states aren't helping

I meant helping, in taking in refugees, not giving money and such,

I apologize if that was what was assumed.

[MannyIsGod]

I'd imagine that people are going to be directed in our way pretty soon.

[T Park]

Don't react to everyone in such a knee jerk manner. You take things on here personal sometimes and people don't even intended them in that manner.

Sorry if I do.

But i feel absolutely devastated for the people in NO, and anything I hear that to ME, sounds a little wrong, or an excuse for not helping these people out quickly.

[timvp]

I think I am going to agree with T Park. How long has it been known what would happen if NO got hit with a major hurricane? Years. How long has it been known that a major hurricane was on it's way to NO? At least a week, IIRC.

Things there are seemingly running in slooooooooow motion. People are starving. People are still trapped in attics and on top of roofs. There is little order from what we see. It's a mess.

To me it looks like there is a lack of leadership. I realize it is a daunting task, but damn. The hurricane hit on Sunday and here we are going into Friday and people are still waiting to get rescued and waiting to eat for the first time.

Everyone knew this was going to happen at some point in time. Plans were supposedly in order. What I've seen looks more like chaos than any type of planning.

It's beyond sad at this point. They tell people to go to the Superdome ... but oops it's full now. Time to move them. Go to the Astrodome ... oops that's full too. WTF is going on?

The longer this drags out, the more pissed the people of New Orleans are going to be, the more dangerous the whole situation becomes and the more people who are going to die.

Props, America.

[TheWriter]

It's the samething with California, how many times do they have to be told about the "big one" before one day they're jogging down the beach and bam... half of Cali is gone.

[T Park]

Agree 1000% TIMVP.

If this is what we get out of all the billions spent on homeland security??

I feel an impeachment hearing should come up.

[Kori Ellis]

That might all be true, but you know what? Whatever fucks up happened along the way, it's time for everyone to just shutup, step up, pull together and help these people. Government and citizens alike.

You don't have money to give? Collect the change around your house and give that - $5 feeds someone. Don't have $5? Go to your closet and find five items of clothing that you haven't worn in six months. You know you have them, everybody does. Put them in a bag and bring them to a donation center. Don't have clothes to give? Everybody has an hour of their time. Get to the food bank, the clinic, whatever.

Help.

Bottom line is that this is not a time for bickering over details and pointing fingers, it's time to band together as Americans and help OUR people who are starving, homeless, sick, and devastated.

Wake up tomorrow and do something. Bitching in this thread is cool and all, but it doesn't get a damn thing done.

[MannyIsGod]

LJ, I think we all agree with that. They're fucking up big time. You can pull up a post of mine in the "Hey Manny" thread and you see that it was days before that it was clear it was headed to NO.

[j-6]

Reliant is bigger than the Astrodome, if I recall. What's happening there? What's going on in the Toyota Center? I think at this point (especially if they were only able to fit 7K in the Astrodome), if the officials in Houston pledged to house 25K refugees and the Dome isn't going to deliver, you better open up some other venues.

[timvp]

What amazes me is this isn't even as bad as it could have been. The freakin' hurricane missed and the part that hit the city was pretty weak. And still we have this much disorder and this much confusion? Doesn't make sense to me.

By Tuesday afternoon there should have been a carivan of busses, ships, helicopters, planes, WTF you can find to get the people out of there. How damn hard is it evacuate a city? Surely can't be a one week long process.

Horrible.

[Ginofan]

That might all be true, but you know what? Whatever fucks up happened along the way, it's time for everyone to just shutup, step up, pull together and help these people. Government and citizens alike.

You don't have money to give? Collect the change around your house and give that - $5 feeds someone. Don't have $5? Go to your closet and find five items of clothing that you haven't worn in six months. You know you have them, everybody does. Put them in a bag and bring them to a donation center. Don't have clothes to give? Everybody has an hour of their time. Get to the food bank, the clinic, whatever.

Help.

Bottom line is that this is not a time for bickering over details and pointing fingers, it's time to band together as Americans and help OUR people who are starving, homeless, sick, and devastated.

Wake up tomorrow and do something. Bitching in this thread is cool and all, but it doesn't get a damn thing done.

Great post :tu Here's (http://www.mysanantonio.com/stories/MYSA090105.15A.katrina_events.12d9791d.html) a list of few places taking donations, including food and clothing.

[MannyIsGod]

The Astrodome wasn't going to hold 25,000 people. No way. It is big, but that is just too many. They have other places in Houston set up, and I'm sure we'll be getting people here before long.

I think that "renegade" busses showed up at the Astrodome that weren't officialy dispatched from NO and that threw off the count. Yes, it is another bump in the road but the important part is that these people are out of NO and are in a place where they can get help, food, water, and general supplies. It sucks, but it could be much worse for them.

[Vashner]

CNN says Houston full... here come the Busses.....

[Ginofan]

What amazes me is this isn't even as bad as it could have been. The freakin' hurricane missed and the part that hit the city was pretty weak. And still we have this much disorder and this much confusion? Doesn't make sense to me.

By Tuesday afternoon there should have been a carivan of busses, ships, helicopters, planes, WTF you can find to get the people out of there. How damn hard is it evacuate a city? Surely can't be a one week long process.

Horrible.

IMO, we wouldn't have to be evacuating anyone out of N.O. if it had been a direct hit. There would be nothing left.

[timvp]

That might all be true, but you know what? Whatever fucks up happened along the way, it's time for everyone to just shutup, step up, pull together and help these people. Government and citizens alike.

You don't have money to give? Collect the change around your house and give that - $5 feeds someone. Don't have $5? Go to your closet and find five items of clothing that you haven't worn in six months. You know you have them, everybody does. Put them in a bag and bring them to a donation center. Don't have clothes to give? Everybody has an hour of their time. Get to the food bank, the clinic, whatever.

Help.

Bottom line is that this is not a time for bickering over details and pointing fingers, it's time to band together as Americans and help OUR people who are starving, homeless, sick, and devastated.

Wake up tomorrow and do something. Bitching in this thread is cool and all, but it doesn't get a damn thing done.

True, but for the people in New Orleans there really isn't much to do. The Red Cross is barely operating within the city, so donating money to them does nothing for those people. It's impossible to go into the city and volunteer there.

Volunteering in Houston or San Antonio is commendable, but that's the easy part. Those people are already taken out of the hell that is New Orleans. They'll get back on their feet eventually.

What I'm pissed off about are the peeps still in their attics or still soaking wet in the street, starving and the whole "evacuation" plan just one big clusterfvck.

[Jelly]

I meant helping, in taking in refugees, not giving money and such,

I apologize if that was what was assumed.

I'm sure they would take in refugees if they were closer. The next big city that can accomodate these people is Houston, then SA and Dallas. I don't think we need to be bussing these poor people to Idaho or Montana right now, do you? Kind of a long drive for an exhausted, miserable, wretched hungry bunch of people who haven't bathed in 4 days.

ps. thanks for your civil post. I guess Manny's words really got to you. :lol

Manny, you should open a charm school.

[TheWriter]

I'm sure we'll be getting people here before long.

25,000 as of earlier today. Maybe more now.

[timvp]

IMO, we wouldn't have to be evacuating anyone out of N.O. if it had been a direct hit. There would be nothing left.

Fair enough.

However, there would still be SOME survivors. The water could only get so deep in certain places.

But yeah, if there was a direct hit and this type of weak ass recovery effort, everyone would be dead.

[MannyIsGod]

Ted Coppel is grilling the guy on nightline

[T Park]

What I'm pissed off about are the peeps still in their attics or still soaking wet in the street, starving and the whole "evacuation" plan just one big clusterfvck.

Bra fucking vo.

[MannyIsGod]

Fucking A, good job Ted. This is what I want to see.

DAMN.

[timvp]

Fucking A, good job Ted. This is what I want to see.

DAMN.

Who is he grilling?

[TheWriter]

What the fuck about people in Slidell, Biloxi, Mobile and all those towns on the gulf coast. If the rescue process is that fucked up in New Orleans, imagine what's happpening there.

[MannyIsGod]

You know, whatever else comes out of this, the convention center is one of the worst fuck ups I've ever seen.

[T Park]

those other towns have gotten lucky.

Their city isnt flooded I dont think like NO is.

[TheWriter]

You know, whatever else comes out of this, the convention center is one of the worst fuck ups I've ever seen.

Hell yes. Fuckers tell people to wait for food and water. And they get dicked bad.

[MannyIsGod]

Who is he grilling?
Some guy from FEMA. He basically kept him on point about how they fucked up by telling people to go to the convention center and then forgetting about them and leaving them there to die. The guy couldn't come up with shit to say except I don't know who told them that.

[TheWriter]

those other towns have gotten lucky.

Their city isnt flooded I dont think like NO is.

But in the rural areas, there's no power, no homes, no food, no water.

[MannyIsGod]

those other towns have gotten lucky.

Their city isnt flooded I dont think like NO is.
Yeah, its just gone instead. No one's gotten lucky.

[Kori Ellis]

True, but for the people in New Orleans there really isn't much to do. The Red Cross is barely operating within the city, so donating money to them does nothing for those people. It's impossible to go into the city and volunteer there.

Volunteering in Houston or San Antonio is commendable, but that's the easy part. Those people are already taken out of the hell that is New Orleans. They'll get back on their feet eventually.

What I'm pissed off about are the peeps still in their attics or still soaking wet in the street, starving and the whole "evacuation" plan just one big clusterfvck.

Okay, what is bitching about the evacuation process accomplishing? Are you changing it?

They fucked up - they are fixing it. And yes, extra people are probably going to die because they didn't get evacuated quickly. One reason it's difficult to get people out is that there's pretty much only one way in and out of the city, right? So they have to gather all the people and get them to that end of town and take them out.

How many people fit on a bus? 80? So if you have thousands that need out - that takes time. Yes, it could have been done more smoothly. Yes, it's a fuck up for not feeding them at the Super Dome. But right now, you can't back up and fix those screwups, you can only move forward and do the best you can.

Unless you are planning on packing up tomorrow and going to N.O. to help take out those people, then you need to do whatever you can do here at home. And that's feed, cloth, and help the refugees that are out.

[Ginofan]

those other towns have gotten lucky.

Their city isnt flooded I dont think like NO is.

I think Biloxi and Gulport got it pretty bad. But their cities aren't in a bowl like N.O. is.

[batman2883]

Okay, what is bitching about the evacuation process accomplishing? Are you changing it?

They fucked up - they are fixing it. And yes, extra people are probably going to die because they didn't get evacuated quickly. One reason it's difficult to get people out is that there's pretty much only one way in and out of the city, right? So they have to gather all the people and get them to that end of town and take them out.

How many people fit on a bus? 80? So if you have thousands that need out - that takes time. Yes, it could have been done more smoothly. Yes, it's a fuck up for not feeding them at the Super Dome. But right now, you can't back up and fix those screwups, you can only move forward and do the best you can.

Unless you are planning on packing up tomorrow and going to N.O. to help take out those people, then you need to do whatever you can do here at home. And that's feed, cloth, and help the refugees that are out.

amen

[Spurminator]

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9686/clusterfuck15ky.jpg

[T Park]

^^^ lol funny but true.


Watching local LA tV.

Stater Brothers Grocery Stores have collected 300 thousand in walk up donations.

[T Park]

I think Biloxi and Gulport got it pretty bad. But their cities aren't in a bowl like N.O. is.


thats what I meant.

They are bad, but they arent getting flooded out on top of roofs like LA.

[j-6]

I will say this. I hope every President, including the one in office now, realizes the importance of having competant FEMA directors. Preferably ex-military guys instead of an attorney like Michael Brown or a PoliSci guy like Allbaugh, ex-chief of staff of Governor W.

(Not Bush-bashing...I did enough of that earlier)

[timvp]

Okay, what is bitching about the evacuation process accomplishing?

Nothing. But "nothing" isn't too far off from what they've accomplished.

I'm giving my opinion on what has happened. Unless I'm the president or a governor and don't know it, I don't think I could have done anything a week ago to plan what the evacuation process will be.

My plan sure wouldn't be to send people somewhere and forget about them.


Are you changing it?

Nope.



They fucked up - they are fixing it.

A fvck up of this magnitude is unacceptable. This is too big of a scale to think que sera, sera.

Maybe next time they won't be caught with their pants down if enough people complain with how it was handled this time.


And yes, extra people are probably going to die because they didn't get evacuated quickly.

Fantasitc.


One reason it's difficult to get people out is that there's pretty much only one way in and out of the city, right?

By road, yeah. But what about ships? You can hold thousands on ships. They can find places to bring in helicopters or planes to get people out of there.


How many people fit on a bus? 80?

Even if you assume 80 people per bus and you have a bus leaving every 15 minutes, that's close to 30K in one day. That's not even counting what ships or aircraft can get out of there.

At most, they should have been able to empty the city in three days.


So if you have thousands that need out - that takes time.

Not one week.


Yes, it could have been done more smoothly. Yes, it's a fuck up for not feeding them at the Super Dome. But right now, you can't back up and fix those screwups, you can only move forward and do the best you can.

Of course.

But a fvck up of this magnitude deserves attention.


Unless you are planning on packing up tomorrow and going to N.O. to help take out those people, then you need to do whatever you can do here at home. And that's feed, cloth, and help the refugees that are out.

:rolleyes

1. They aren't letting people into New Orleans to help.

2. Manny already has the SA volunteering under control.

:smokin

[MannyIsGod]

OMG, I'm watching the helicopters dropping sandbags into the break of the levee, and I have to say it looks like the stupidest idea I've ever fucking seen.

[timvp]

OMG, I'm watching the helicopters dropping sandbags into the break of the levee, and I have to say it looks like the stupidest idea I've ever fucking seen.

You mean the idea that should have been tried on Tuesday?

[j-6]

Official Astrodome refugee count is 11,375. Sorry if I misinformed anyone earlier.

[Kori Ellis]

They didn't have a bus available to leave every 15 minutes. That would have been a hell of a lot of buses. A cruise ship is the way to go, I think. They could have just loaded everybody up and sailed them out. Cruise ships hold thousands.

All I'm saying is that there's nothing we can do about past mistakes. All you can do is the best you can from here on out. If makes you feel better to vent, go ahead. Venting to the government might make you feel better than venting here though.

One off topic question, has anyone talked about kids that have been orphaned from this?

[Spurminator]

I'm ready to rank the hurricane coverage, based on the too-many-hours I've watched the last three days.

1. MSNBC
2. CNN






3. Fox News.

I think Fox News has about 5 minutes total of video footage, 75% of which is "looters," kept on constant loop.

[j-6]

They didn't have a bus available to leave every 15 minutes. That would have been a hell of a lot of buses. A cruise ship is the way to go, I think. They could have just loaded everybody up and sailed them out. Cruise ships hold thousands.

What did Carnival wind up donating, anyway?

[MannyIsGod]

WWLTV puts them all to shame.

[timvp]

Yeah, Fox News has sucked the whole time. They had that guy dancing in the rain on Monday saying everything was fine. And then if you try to watch it in a non-prime time hour, it's mostly re-runs.

[MannyIsGod]

11:41 P.M. - (AP): After accepting more than 11,000 Hurricane Katrina refugees, officials said the Astrodome was full and began sending buses to other shelters in the Houston area Thursday night.

"We've actually reached capacity for the safety and comfort of the people inside there," American Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen said. She said people were "packed pretty tight" on the floor of the Astrodome.

Buses that continued to arrive were being sent on to other shelters in the area and as far away as Huntsville, about an hour north of Houston.

"We're asking that people be patient. Ultimately they are going to be comfortable," Allen said.

The total of 11,375 inside the Astrodome was less than half the estimated 23,000 people who were expected to arrive by bus from New Orleans in Houston.

[MannyIsGod]

Am I wrong to be pissed about this? You sign up as a police officer, and jump shit when you're needed the most? Maybe I'm being too critical, but this is fucking weak if you ask me



11:29 P.M. - (AP): Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.

"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.

[Spurminator]

WWLTV puts them all to shame.

Wish that worked on my Mac.

[MannyIsGod]

10:49 P.M. - (AP): Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared war on looters as 300 National Guard troops landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will," she said.

Good. Fucking GOOD.

Spurm, yeah, windows media tends to suck that way.

Did you ever call 211?

[Kori Ellis]

Am I wrong to be pissed about this? You sign up as a police officer, and jump shit when you're needed the most? Maybe I'm being too critical, but this is fucking weak if you ask me

It's weak. During the riots in L.A. back in the day, the cops refused to leave the station because they didn't want to get shot.

[Ginofan]

Am I wrong to be pissed about this? You sign up as a police officer, and jump shit when you're needed the most? Maybe I'm being too critical, but this is fucking weak if you ask me

No, it's not wrong...it's a pretty fucked up situation. I would think anyone who is a police officer it's understood that you are there to serve and protect...you're not supposed to enter into that profession lightly. Your JOB is to help people, not abandon them.

[T Park]

And then if you try to watch it in a non-prime time hour, it's mostly re-runs.

well they are rerunning right now, cause there is nothing else to show, its all dark.


There is only so many times you can talk to the people at the dome and in LA.

[MannyIsGod]

10:16 P.M. - WASHINGTON (AP): The last time Congress came back from a vacation early, it made a failed effort to save Terry Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman in Florida. The scene Thursday bore similar life-or-death overtones but without the controversy, as a few lawmakers began returning to House and Senate chambers from a monthlong summer break to high-speed $10.5 billion to cover Hurricane Katrina costs.

It's no easy task, putting that kind of money on the fast track. But the devastation in New Orleans, Mississippi and other Gulf Coast areas puts unprecedented pressure on Congress to help.

"This country's never seen a refugee challenge," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Thursday on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"Hot-lining a bill" is Senate shorthand for the expedited process by which leaders bring up and pass a bill with only a few members present because nobody objects.


How hard is it to hop on a plane and get your ass back? FUCK politicians piss me off. They should have been back DAYS ago.

[timvp]

Am I wrong to be pissed about this? You sign up as a police officer, and jump shit when you're needed the most? Maybe I'm being too critical, but this is fucking weak if you ask me

Eh, I can't really blame them. Their job will be gone in a matter of weeks and if they've already lost everything they own, another paycheck won't do much.

They do have a civic duty, but it's understandable to go against that in a time like this.

[Spurminator]

Did you ever call 211?

I did, and after holding for 15 minutes I was redirected to a Dallas representative... where I was on hold for 10 minutes before the call was somehow disconnected.

I'll try again tomorrow. I have the day off, so I'm going to take a trip downtown and see what I can do.

[T Park]

if you have nothing left??

I dont blame em to be honest.

[Ginofan]

Eh, I can't really blame them. Their job will be gone in a matter of weeks and if they've already lost everything they own, another paycheck won't do much.

They do have a civic duty, but it's understandable to go against that in a time like this.

I have to disagree LJ, they are SUPPOSED to put their lives on the line. Not wanting to go back because they fear being fired upon...why the hell did you sign up to be a police officer in the first place??? It's what they signed up for. I'm sure there are hundreds of cops and other uniformed personnel down there that have lost everything too but you don't see them jumping ship. They are doing what they are supposed to do...trying to help people out.

[Guru of Nothing]

Eh, I can't really blame them. Their job will be gone in a matter of weeks and if they've already lost everything they own, another paycheck won't do much.

They do have a civic duty, but it's understandable to go against that in a time like this.

And to think you once called me wishy-washy for being agnostic!

[j-6]

Dunno if anyone's seen this or not, but it's a wiki of Katrina resources including Interdictor's blog and some poilce scanner channels.

http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Main_Page

[MannyIsGod]

I did, and after holding for 15 minutes I was redirected to a Dallas representative... where I was on hold for 10 minutes before the call was somehow disconnected.

I'll try again tomorrow. I have the day off, so I'm going to take a trip downtown and see what I can do.
Yeah, I had trouble, too. I'm hoping I have more luck in the morning.

[T Park]

wow,

did anyone hear this story yet about this 18 year old who stole a bus, filled it up with a bunch of people and
DROVE IT TO THE ASTRODOME?!??!

I just saw this right now.

What an amazing story.

18 years old. Never drove a bus before.

Amazing....

[timvp]

why the hell did you sign up to be a police officer in the first place???

Sign up to make money and have a job?

If we were talking about people in our armed forces doing that, then yeah that is unacceptable. But this is completely different. Say you lose everything you own. You have nothing but the clothes on your back. You will be without a job in a week. Would you go risk your life?

Luckily most police officers would. But in a circumstance like this, I can understand where they are coming from.

[MannyIsGod]

CNN is reporting buses not allowed into the astrodome are being sent to Huntsville, someplace else I didn't cach, and San Antonio.

[timvp]

And to think you once called me wishy-washy for being agnostic!

I did what?

:huh

[timvp]

CNN is reporting buses not allowed into the astrodome are being sent to Huntsville.

Good idea. Just skip a step and send them to prison.

:hat

[MannyIsGod]

We're going to need volunteers tomorrow. I'm sure of it.

[MannyIsGod]

The other location is Dallas

[Ginofan]

Sign up to make money and have a job?

If we were talking about people in our armed forces doing that, then yeah that is unacceptable. But this is completely different. Say you lose everything you own. You have nothing but the clothes on your back. You will be without a job in a week. Would you go risk your life?

Luckily most police officers would. But in a circumstance like this, I can understand where they are coming from.

I know several cops...and I'm not speaking for them or anything, but honestly, do you just say one day out of the blue "hey i need money, i'm gonna be a cop"? It's not a job you take lightly BECAUSE you are placing your life on the line every day...at least you're supposed to be.

But I don't know, I'm not down there, and I'm not experiencing how it is...so maybe they do deserve some slack.

[Guru of Nothing]

I did what?

:huh

Agnostics are so wishy-washy, was how you put it, if I recall correctly.

I reserve the right to be wrong.