Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[ObiwanGinobili]

Well apparently the Dolphins are having fun in the pool. Glad they're ok.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Kickin' link... 4 vid feeds (just use the mute to select which one you want to hear)

http://www.weatherserver.net/livevideo.htm


:tu awesome thanks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Mother of God....

http://www.buoyweather.com/wxnav.jsp?region=GC&program=nww3BW1&grb=wna&latitude=30.0&longitude=-89.0&zone=-5&units=e

Periodic wave sets in the 60 foot range, with a peak of 91 FEET, this buoy sits 20 ft. SSE of Gulfport, MS.

(yes, that's 60 footers crashing on shore).

The peak wave at the mouth of the Mississippi was measured at 89 feet, and NO has had some 88 footers just outside of Lake Borgne.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Brian Williams and MSNBC inside the Superdome.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

5 feet of water in downtown Mobile. Ugh.

[boutons]

Miles O'Brien hasn't blogged anything from Red Stick LA in the last 1 1/4 hours.
Lucky he's not paid at piece-work rates. :)

[Shelly]

Worst of storm hitting NOLA now and do not drink the water order in effect.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Check that, 12 feet of water from on the scene report in Mobile. "Mobile Bay has relocated to downtown Mobile".

[SPARKY]

Great. I have family riding out the storm 2 miles inland in Gulfport.

[SWC Bonfire]

Check that, 12 feet of water from on the scene report in Mobile. "Mobile Bay has relocated to downtown Mobile".

We have customers near Theodore, AL, hope they got everything shut down tight.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

7 feet of water in East Jefferson Hospital, all of 6 blocks from the NO Superdome.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Miles O'Brien hasn't blogged anything from Red Stick LA in the last 1 1/4 hours.
Lucky he's not paid at piece-work rates. :)

Probably because he's standing outside reporting.

Image from NASA at 8:34 a.m. our time.

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/126302main_Katrina_082805_lg.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Great. I have family riding out the storm 2 miles inland in Gulfport.

I hope they're alright, looks like Gulfport is gonna get slammed too :(

[Ginofan]

Has anyone seen the video from inside the Superdome on CNN's website. I'm watching clips from earlier and there's people on the field. I was under the impression that they wouldn't be allowed down there?

[ObiwanGinobili]

so apparently there are allready reports in Miss., LA and NO of building collapses and blown roofs... and a bridge connecting a parking garage and a hospitol have collapsed.

[2pac]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=east+jefferson+hospital,+new+orleans&ll=29.956761,-90.074618&spn=0.017873,0.029680&num=10&start=0&hl=en
I posted that a little bit ago - you can see where it is here.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Has anyone seen the video from inside the Superdome on CNN's website. I'm watching clips from earlier and there's people on the field. I was under the impression that they wouldn't be allowed down there?


maybe those are national guard and or security people.

[SPARKY]

90 mph winds in friggin' Pascagoula.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Has anyone seen the video from inside the Superdome on CNN's website. I'm watching clips from earlier and there's people on the field. I was under the impression that they wouldn't be allowed down there?

There were people on the field yesterday.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No way that photo is from 8:30 CDT, the eye is already on shore.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

No way that photo is from 8:30 CDT, the eye is already on shore.

Just going off what NASA has posted.

[Extra Stout]

That NASA picture could not have been from this morning. It shows the eye still 100+ miles off the coast. That looks like the Sunday 1 PM EDT photo.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

110 mph in Gulfport.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

130 mph gust in Slidell.

[SPARKY]

I hope they're alright, looks like Gulfport is gonna get slammed too :(


Thanks. They are riding it out in a house that survived Camile. During Camile, they felt the house literally rising up and then falling back down.

[2pac]

Slidell is where my uncle lives. :(

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"significant flooding in East Jefferson Parish"

*gulp*

[Kori Ellis]

I just woke back up. Can someone update me on a couple things...

How big is the storm surge in N.O. ? Is it near the top of the levees? Do they expect it to be?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

CNN's got some goobers in Baton Rouge "testing" the winds.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kori - one of the levees broke and they are forecasting 8 feet of water.

A hospital 7 blocks away from the Superdome has 7 feet of water in it, the streets surrounding the Superdome have 3 ft. of water, reports in East Jefferson Parish are coming in of up to 15 ft. of water.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

More from WWL...


Apartment building on Wright Avenue in Terrytown has collapsed with people inside, according to Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee. Rescue crews have not been able to get to the scene as of 9:30 a.m.

Karen Swensen says there is 3 feet of water downtown near the Hyatt. She reports several office windows coming out whole from buildings.

[SWC Bonfire]

Thanks. They are riding it out in a house that survived Camile. During Camile, they felt the house literally rising up and then falling back down.

My dad was stationed at Kiesler AFB in Biloxi, MS when Camile hit.

Hurricane Carla also passed right over his house several years earlier.

That, and a few other stories that I've verified (:lol) have led me to believe that he was bad luck back then.

[Kori Ellis]

Here's the official report that just came out.


000
WTNT32 KNHC 291438
TCPAT2
BULLETIN
HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER 27
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
10 AM CDT MON AUG 29 2005

...CENTER OF POWERFUL HURRICANE KATRINA AGAIN MOVING ASHORE...NEAR
THE LOUISIANA-MISSISSIPPI BORDER...CONTINUES POUNDING SOUTHEASTERN
LOUISIANA AND SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI...

A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST
FROM MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA EASTWARD TO THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA
BORDER...INCLUDING THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN.

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z..ALL HURRICANE WATCHES ARE DISCONTINUED.
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM EAST OF THE
ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER TO INDIAN PASS FLORIDA...AND FROM WEST OF
MORGAN CITY TO CAMERON LOUISIANA.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 10 AM CDT...1500Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KATRINA WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 30.2 NORTH... LONGITUDE 89.6 WEST. THIS POSITION IS
NEAR THE MOUTH OF THE PEARL RIVER...ABOUT 35 MILES EAST-NORTHEAST
OF NEW ORLEANS LOUISIANA AND ABOUT 45 MILES WEST-SOUTHWEST OF
BILOXI MISSISSIPPI.

KATRINA IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH NEAR 16 MPH...AND THIS GENERAL
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TODAY AND TONIGHT. ON THIS TRACK
THE CENTER WILL MOVE OVER SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI TODAY AND INTO
CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI THIS EVENING.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 125 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.
KATRINA IS NOW A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON
SCALE. WINDS AFFECTING THE UPPER FLOORS OF HIGH RISE BUILDINGS
WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER THAN THOSE NEAR GROUND LEVEL.
WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS AS THE CENTER MOVES
OVER LAND. HOWEVER...HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO SPREAD
AS FAR AS 150 MILES INLAND ALONG THE PATH OF KATRINA. SEE INLAND
HURRICANE AND TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS FROM NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
FORECAST OFFICES.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 125 MILES FROM THE
CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 230 MILES.

THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE ESTIMATED FROM AIR FORCE HURRICANE
HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS 927 MB...27.37 INCHES.

COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 15 TO 20 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE
LEVELS...ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...CAN BE
EXPECTED NEAR AND TO THE EAST OF THE CENTER. STORM SURGE FLOODING
OF 10 TO 15 FEET...NEAR THE TOPS OF THE LEVEES...IS STILL POSSIBLE
IN THE GREATER NEW ORLEANS AREA. SIGNIFICANT STORM SURGE FLOODING
IS OCCURRING ELSEWHERE ALONG THE CENTRAL AND NORTHEASTERN GULF OF
MEXICO COAST.

RAINFALL TOTALS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF
15 INCHES...ARE POSSIBLE ALONG THE PATH OF KATRINA ACROSS THE GULF
COAST AND THE TENNESSEE VALLEY. RAINFALL TOTALS OF 4 TO 8 INCHES
ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES
REGION TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

A FEW TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE OVER PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN AND EASTERN
MISSISSIPPI...SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL ALABAMA...AND THE WESTERN
FLORIDA PANHANDLE TODAY.

REPEATING THE 10 AM CDT POSITION...30.2 N... 89.6 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTH NEAR 16 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...125 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 927 MB.

INTERMEDIATE ADVISORIES WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT NOON CDT AND 2 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE
ADVISORY AT 4 PM CDT.

FORECASTER PASCH

[CosmicCowboy]

Karen Swensen says there is 3 feet of water downtown near the Hyatt. She reports several office windows coming out whole from buildings.

Thats the main reason emergency crews can't go back out till its over...you get these huge chunks of broken plate glass raining down from the sky and getting blown around...like flying razor blades...

[2pac]

Levee near the French Quarter has broken.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The main reasons they can't go out is the winds are blowing over 100 mph and the streets are underwater.

[Kori Ellis]

At least it's moving fast (16 MPH) and the winds aren't as bad as last night. It's still going to suck, but hopefully not as bad as most thought.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

2pac, is that the same levee as the one I reported earlier (Industrial Ave.), or another one?

[Kori Ellis]

So since it's still 35 miles away from NO and 45 miles away from Biloxi, then will the worst of it be known within the next 2-3 hours?

[Ginofan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm10908291450.hurricane_katrina_ladm109.jpg
Debris from a fallen building covers several buildings in downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina battered the Louisiana Coast on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm10808291449.topix_hurricane_katrina_ladm1 08.jpg
Debris from a fallen building covers several buildings in downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina battered the Louisiana Coast on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't think that changes anything Kori, you're still going to have the winds pushing Pontchartrain into NO.

[2pac]

This is a different levee that was breached. THe industrial canal one is about 20 miles from the quarter.

[CosmicCowboy]

IMO New Orleans worst case scenario at this point is the waves off Ponchatrain breaching the main levee...they are pretty rotten in some areas from all the nutria digging tunnels and building nests inside the levees...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Per CNN...


Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans, on east side of city, under 5 to 6 feet of water after pumps fail, mayor says. Details soon.

[SPARKY]

Sounds like what was feared is happening to NO.

[Ginofan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3988609667.jpg
Mike Keller, a resident of Biloxi, Mississippi, stands in the rain while mooning Hurricane Katrina just after dawn August 29, 2005. Katrina slammed into the Louisiana coast on Monday with 140 mile per hour winds as the powerful storm came ashore from the Gulf of Mexico and took aim at low-lying New Orleans. The coast, much of it lightly populated swamps, was being pounded with high winds and heavy rains while New Orleans, 55 miles northeast, braced for the worst of Katrina. Photo by Mark Wallheiser/Reuters
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The word IDIOT comes to mind.

[SpursWoman]

Is the wind ripping his pants off, or does he want to see what 140 mph winds will do to his manhood?

[CosmicCowboy]

It would have been MUCH worse if the storm hadn't veered right last night...If it had come ashore 60 miles to the west NO would have become part of Lake Ponchatrain...

[sa_butta]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3988609667.jpg
Mike Keller, a resident of Biloxi, Mississippi, stands in the rain while mooning Hurricane Katrina just after dawn August 29, 2005. Katrina slammed into the Louisiana coast on Monday with 140 mile per hour winds as the powerful storm came ashore from the Gulf of Mexico and took aim at low-lying New Orleans. The coast, much of it lightly populated swamps, was being pounded with high winds and heavy rains while New Orleans, 55 miles northeast, braced for the worst of Katrina. Photo by Mark Wallheiser/Reuters
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The word IDIOT comes to mind.Maybe he thinks he will scare it away with his ass.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Boats are floating down the street a half mile inland in Gulfport, MS"

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If it had come ashore 60 miles to the west NO would have become part of Lake Ponchatrain...

Who says it won't anyway?

[SPARKY]

Yeah, it's sounding like NO is going to be flooded out anyways, regardless of where the eye made landfall.

[SpursWoman]

Superdome...

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina11.jpg

[SpursWoman]

Gulfport, Mississippi

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina14.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Who says it won't anyway?

The worst storm surge is always east of the eye...If it had come ashore just west of NO they would have had the storm surge AND the 140 mph winds coming directly east to west down the lake and would have had 20 foot waves breaking directly on the levee destroying it...A breach in the levee is different from losing the levee completely...at this point the water is just filling up NO...imagine 20 foot waves rolling through downtown and you can see the difference...This may be bad but New Orleans lucked out...

[sa_butta]

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina15.jpg

Gulf Shores, AL

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah...Missippippi and Alabama are getting the worst of the surge...Mobile is in deep shit...

[2pac]

We arent even close to through the thick of it.

THe mississippi river levees are breaking. As it travels north, it is raining in the Mississippi River Basin, which will flow through those broken levees.

[T Park]

Agree Cosmic, with the storm moving right last night, it looks like it might have saved the city of New Orleans from becoming a total beach.

[SPARKY]

Let's be honest here, it won't take much in the way of flood waters or 'water speed' to wipe out a large number of structures in NO. And you'll still have NO submerged under a lot of water with nowhere to go.

[boutons]

Source: National Science Foundation

Date: 2005-08-29

URL: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050829081636.htm

Hurricanes Growing More Fierce Over Past 30 Years

Hurricanes have grown significantly more powerful and destructive over the past three decades, according to atmospheric scientist Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

In his new analysis of tropical hurricane records, which he reports online today in the journal Nature, Emanuel finds that both the duration of the storms and their maximum wind speeds have increased by about 50 per cent since the mid-1970s. Moreover, this marked increase in the energy release has occurred in both the north Atlantic and the north Pacific Oceans.

Unlike previous studies, which have focused on whether hurricanes are becoming more frequent, Emanuel's study is one of the first to ask whether they are becoming more fierce.

"It's an innovative application of a theoretical concept, and has produced a new analysis of hurricanes' strength and destructive potential," says Jay Fein, director of the National Science Foundation (NSF)'s climate dynamics program, which funded the research. And that analysis, in turn, "has resulted in an important measure of the potential impact of hurricanes on social, economic and ecological systems,"

Indeed, as Emanuel himself says, "the near doubling of hurricane's power over the period of record should be a matter of some concern, as it's a measure of the [future] destructive potential of these storms."

Also of concern, he says, is that the increases in storm intensity are mirrored by increases in the average temperatures at the surface of the tropical oceans, suggesting that this warming is responsible for the hurricanes' greater power. Since hurricanes depend on warm water to form and build, Emanuel warns that global climate change might increase the effect of hurricanes still further in coming years.

In addition, he says, recent research suggests that global tropical hurricane activity may play a role in driving the oceans' circulation, which in turn has important "feedbacks" to regional and global climate.

Fluctuations in tropical hurricane activity "are of obvious importance to society," he adds, "especially as populations of affected areas increase. Hurricanes account for a significant fraction of damage, injury and loss of life from natural hazards, and are the costliest natural catastrophes in the United States. As the human population in coastal regions gets denser, the damage and casualties produced by more intense storms could increase considerably in the future."

Editor's Note: The original news release can be found here. http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=104325

[CosmicCowboy]

If the levee system does break down they should seriously consider just throwing in the towel and abandoning the below sea level areas of New Orleans...everything that made it "special" will be gone anyway...the quarter, the garden district, etc. will be completely destroyed...after weeks or months under saltwater the entire town will have to be torn down and rebuilt...every bit of vegetation will be dead and the whole area will be a hazardous waste dump..

[2pac]

Over 100 people on their roofs in the 9th Ward trying to avoid the flood waters. Emergency crews will not be able to get there in time.

[SWC Bonfire]

Saw this before. Camille and Carla were more than 30 years ago... but the number of hurricanes has increased. I think there is actually a cycle of 30 years or so in the number and intensity of hurricanes. This is nothing new.

Someone posted a chart of Hurricanes since 1900...it showed this trend.

BTW, are they saying that the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 and Carla weren't category 5? They are only referring to Labor day 1935, Andrew and Camille.

[SPARKY]

This is downright Biblical.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The worst storm surge is always east of the eye...If it had come ashore just west of NO they would have had the storm surge AND the 140 mph winds coming directly east to west down the lake and would have had 20 foot waves breaking directly on the levee destroying it.

Worst is a relative thing here. They had 80 foot waves, with sets at 60 feet, rolling into Lake Borgne, which rolls into Pontchartraine, pushing surge in with it.

Then you've got the counterclockwise winds pushing that water into/over the levees.

It's still gonna be a mess, we just don't know how bad yet.

Note they didn't think any of the Mississippi levees would go (figured it would be Pontchartraine), and said if they did things would be even worse. Well, two levees on the mississippi have failed, I'd say the "worse" is coming through.

[SWC Bonfire]

If the levee system does break down they should seriously consider just throwing in the towel and abandoning the below sea level areas of New Orleans...everything that made it "special" will be gone anyway...the quarter, the garden district, etc. will be completely destroyed...after weeks or months under saltwater the entire town will have to be torn down and rebuilt...every bit of vegetation will be dead and the whole area will be a hazardous waste dump..

Time heals all wounds...let's not give up on NO yet.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Over 100 people on their roofs in the 9th Ward trying to avoid the flood waters. Emergency crews will not be able to get there in time.

Damn that's gotta suck.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't know about abandoning. New building codes, lower level parking garages, maybe filling in the low areas with land to build on (I know it will sink eventually, but still...), definitely.

They need to start figuring out how to re-deposit some of the sediment between NO and the coast that the levees have prevented from being deposited in the past 30 years - contributes to the erosion problem, flooding, and less ground between NO and the ocean when hurricanes come on shore.

[CosmicCowboy]

yeah...this is a case of the numbers being manipulated to show an upward trend instead of recognizing that hurricanes run in cycles... he only took thirty five years of data out of context and made predictions based on that limited sample...pretty bad science there...

I saw Port Lavaca as a kid after Carla...it was unbelievable...I remember seeing an oil tanker several hundred feet long laying out in a farmers cotton field miles from the coastline...

[SWC Bonfire]

I don't know about abandoning. New building codes, lower level parking garages, maybe filling in the low areas with land to build on (I know it will sink eventually, but still...), definitely.

They need to start figuring out how to re-deposit some of the sediment between NO and the coast that the levees have prevented from being deposited in the past 30 years - contributes to the erosion problem, flooding, and less ground between NO and the ocean when hurricanes come on shore.

I was just thinking of this - I wonder if the coastal areas of LA will collect sediment or erode further. This is getting to be a big problem.

I am told that the Atchafalaya Basin used to only be flooded part of the year, instead of year-round like it is now.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://content.clearchannel.com/timages/photo/default_28340_15.jpg

[Ishta]

This does not look good at all.

[j-6]

http://content.clearchannel.com/timages/photo/default_28340_15.jpg

Yikes!

[Ginofan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11008291530.hurricane_katrina_ladm110.jpg
Tyrell Willis fights his way through about 70 knot winds as he tries to make his way to the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans as Hurricane Katrina batters the Crescent City on Sunday, Aug. 29, 2005. Willis's home was damaged by the storm, forcing him to walk to the Superdome where officials are providing shelter from the hurricane. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11308291533.hurricane_katrina_ladm113.jpg
Hurricane winds shred an American flag in downtown New Orleans, Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina passes over the Crescent City on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Jim Cantore from the WC is trapped. The water is 10 feet and rising in Gulfport, they are stuck in a hotel with nowhere to go.

[Kori Ellis]

I think what Cosmic Cowboy is saying is that if it hadn't veered a little East yesterday, NO would have been likely destroyed completely. Now, at the least, there's some hope that the levees hold up and the flooding won't be that bad in NO.

Prayers to everyone in Katrina's path.

Does anyone know if Guru of Nothing posted today?

[Kip Fanatic]

This is downright Biblical.

I couldn't agree with you more. I know some people hate to hear this, but its in the bible. End times.

[2pac]

I will call Guru and see what I can tell you.

[1369]

I was listening to the Fox newscast on XM and Steve harrigan was reporting from MS when he basically said "A large piece of roof landed 3 feet from us, we're packing it in and will call you back in an hour". Doesn't sound good.

It would be a good time to own stock in Asplundh.

[Kori Ellis]

I will call Guru and see what I can tell you.

It looks like he was online and in this thread at 10:37am but didn't post.

[2pac]

Guru is at work and doing good.

[SWC Bonfire]

It would be a good time to own stock in Asplundh.

Tell them to disinfect their saws before they spread oak wilt to Louisiana.

[Kori Ellis]

Guru is at work and doing good.

Great, thanks!

[Guru of Nothing]

I think what Cosmic Cowboy is saying is that if it hadn't veered a little East yesterday, NO would have been likely destroyed completely. Now, at the least, there's some hope that the levees hold up and the flooding won't be that bad in NO.

Prayers to everyone in Katrina's path.

Does anyone know if Guru of Nothing posted today?

I'm here. Doing fine on the third floor of my office building. Winds are about up to 25 mph now. I'm hoping to watch the storm veer a little more towards the east.

[ObiwanGinobili]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3988609667.jpg
Mike Keller, a resident of Biloxi, Mississippi, stands in the rain while mooning Hurricane Katrina just after dawn August 29, 2005.
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The word IDIOT comes to mind.


wow he really tolled Katrina.. yeah .. he showed her.... you know Katrina was all pissed off and her feelings were hurt...... :rolleyes

freakin MORON.

[SWC Bonfire]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3988609667.jpg

Exhibit A of how alcohol impairs your judgement.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I don't know about abandoning. New building codes, lower level parking garages, maybe filling in the low areas with land to build on (I know it will sink eventually, but still...), definitely.
.


why not? thats how Boston got Boston harbour... they just threw all thier trash in there and some dirt.. BINGO.. more coastline.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm here. Doing fine on the third floor of my office building. Winds are about up to 25 mph now. I'm hoping to watch the storm veer a little more towards the east.


I'm hoping it can somehow miss you and veer East. I'm glad you are okay!

[1369]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3988609667.jpg

Exhibit A of how alcohol impairs your judgement.

Maybe the port-o-can was out of shit tickets and he just wanted to make sure he was "clean"??

[2pac]

THe mississippi River has risen 10 feet since this morning. That is about the top of the levees.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

WWL-TV just reported that the levee near the FQ had not broken as originally thought, just that the river had crested the levee and that was causing the flooding in the 9th Ward.

[samikeyp]

BTW, are they saying that the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 and Carla weren't category 5? They are only referring to Labor day 1935, Andrew and Camille.

The 1900 Galveston storm was a Category 4 and I think Carla was too.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/top.1115.neworleans.ap.jpg

[Trainwreck2100]

The 1900 Galveston storm was a Category 4 and I think Carla was too.

Yeah 1900 was a cat 4

[Ginofan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11508291549.hurricane_katrina_ladm115.jpg
Windows are blown out on a building in downtown New Orleans as Hurricane Katrina batters Louisiana on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11808291557.hurricane_katrina_ladm118.jpg
The roof of the Louisiana Superdome is shredded by strong winds of Hurricane Katrina as it batters the Crescent City on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11708291553.hurricane_katrina_ladm117.jpg
Floodwaters surround a car in downtown New Orleans early Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 as high winds and rain batter the Louisiana coast as Hurricane Katrina makes landfall. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

[CosmicCowboy]

Carla was cat 4 when it hit but was a 5 before. 150mph on open water and 120 when it made landfall between Port O'Conner and Port Lavaca. Very much like this one.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Edit, nm, screen cap not showing up for some reason.

[2pac]

"I'm not doing too good right now," Chris Robinson said via cellphone from his home east of the city's downtown. "The water's rising pretty fast. I got a hammer and an ax and a crowbar, but I'm holding off on breaking through the roof until the last minute. Tell someone to come get me please. I want to live."

[Jimcs50]

Carla was cat 4 when it hit but was a 5 before. 150mph on open water and 120 when it made landfall between Port O'Conner and Port Lavaca. Very much like this one.

This one is larger than Carla, more widespread.

[Sonia_TX]

"I'm not doing too good right now," Chris Robinson said via cellphone from his home east of the city's downtown. "The water's rising pretty fast. I got a hammer and an ax and a crowbar, but I'm holding off on breaking through the roof until the last minute. Tell someone to come get me please. I want to live."

I was just going to post this. That is so horrible. I can't even imagine the fear this guy is going through.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Gulfport is being dismantled", per CNN reporter.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Levees overtopped in Orleans and St. Bernard parishes," the NWS said in a hurricane local statement. It also said "extensive and life-threatening storm surge flooding" was occurring along the Louisiana and Mississippi coast. The weather service reported "total structural failure" in some parts of metropolitan New Orleans, where Katrina brought wind gusts of 120 mph. While it offered no details, it said it had received "many reports."

[SWC Bonfire]

Levees overtopped in Orleans and St. Bernard parishes,

"Overtopped" sounds a lot more assuring than broken. Maybe NO will come out OK.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Gulfport, Missisippi casinos are underwater up to their second floors.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Overtopped" sounds a lot more assuring than broken. Maybe NO will come out OK.

The problem with that is now you have wave action battering those levies, and water eroding the back side of them.

Dunno how long those are going to hold.

[Jimcs50]

Gulfport, Missisippi casinos are underwater up to their second floors.


Karma



:)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

11:16 a.m.: Reports Of Building Collapse On West Bank
New Orleans-area emergency officials say they can't reach a building blown down by Hurricane Katrina. Residents of the building on the Mississippi's west bank called 911 to say people might be trapped in the building. The storm's powerful wind and rain are making a mess in the city. In one downtown area, waters cover the first-floor of some buildings, and highway off-ramps from Interstate 10 resemble boat ramps leading down into a lake. But dire predictions of catastrophic flooding appear to have been overstated.

On historic Jackson Square in the French Quarter, two huge oak trees toppled outside the 278-year-old St. Louis Cathedral. They fell on either side of a marble statue of Jesus Christ, snapping off just a thumb and forefinger on his outstretched hand. -- Associated Press

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

In New Orleans, there is extensive flooding and officials fear it will get worse before it gets better because Lake Ponchartrain is quickly filling and the water will have to go somewhere. -- WDSU.com Web Staff

[ChumpDumper]

Mobile flooding on MSNBC -- incredible.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11808291557.hurricane_katrina_ladm118.jpg

[SpursWoman]

"I'm not doing too good right now," Chris Robinson said via cellphone from his home east of the city's downtown. "The water's rising pretty fast. I got a hammer and an ax and a crowbar, but I'm holding off on breaking through the roof until the last minute. Tell someone to come get me please. I want to live."


Jesus H. Christ. Why don't people heed warnings to GTFO? :(




On a side note, I went out to grab lunch real quick and saw several cars with Alabama & Louisianna license plates. Good for them.

[The sone]

what a mess...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

In Gulfport, Miss., a fire chief says there are "boats that have gone into buildings." Waves are also crashing over the seawalls in Gulf Shores, Ala. -- Associated Press



http://www.weatherserver.net/livevideo.htm

Go to this link now, there is a barge in the oceanfront park (currently underwater)


Hurricane Katrina is making for some dangerous conditions for emergency crews. There are reports of downed power lines on a fire truck in Hattiesburg, Miss. Five firefighters are trapped inside the vehicle.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurswoman, when I flew into Hobby last night in Houston for work half the cars on the road were La plates.

[2pac]

because they have no way to gtfo
100k people in NO have no form of transportation

lots of tourists in NO
many jobs required employees to stay

[1369]

With the Superdome roof being compromised, wonder what the odds are on some ambulance chaser filing a lawsuit for failure to provide adequate shelter?

[boutons]

Miles O'Brien's "hurricane blog" maintaining complete radio silence from 8:17 AM to 12:37 AM ET.

Looks like he didn't get the career-making reporting assignment! :)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

With the Superdome roof being compromised, wonder what the odds are on some ambulance chaser filing a lawsuit for failure to provide adequate shelter?

Well, no one's gotten hurt yet best anyone can tell. If any asshole lawyer tried it, I'd say take him out in the Gulf and leave him to swim back from about 50 miles out. If he makes it back, he gets to file the suit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/top.1159.norleans.ap.jpg

New Orleans man tries to haul to the Superdome.

[N.Y. Johnny]

christ it looks horrifying out there.

[SpursWoman]

because they have no way to gtfo
100k people in NO have no form of transportation

lots of tourists in NO
many jobs required employees to stay


I understand that and it's tragic...but *they* (this guy in particular) could have fared a lot better than waiting it out in their own homes. There's no excuse for that.

He isn't at work.

[Jimcs50]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/top.1159.norleans.ap.jpg

New Orleans man tries to haul to the Superdome.


^^^^^ Dumbass

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12108291641.hurricane_katrina_ladm121.jpg ?x=380&y=263&sig=ggIoeeeavs2tFAAnySsIjg--


http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12108291641.hurricane_katrina_ladm121.jpg

[ObiwanGinobili]

I understand that and it's tragic...but *they* (this guy in particular) could have fared a lot better than waiting it out in their own homes. There's no excuse for that.

He isn't at work.


i agree with oyu about this particular guy... if i was him I would've traded that cell phone for a ride outa town yesterday.

[2pac]

I understand that and it's tragic...but *they* (this guy in particular) could have fared a lot better than waiting it out in their own homes. There's no excuse for that.

He isn't at work.

That guy's home was destroyed.

Dont be a cold hearted bitch.

[samikeyp]

Dude...she's not. Back the hell off.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050829/mdf47112.jpg


John Volkmann (L) and his wife Kathy of Pass Christian, Mississippi, run for shelter as a piece of sheetmetal flies through the air as Hurricane Katrina hits a hotel in Gulfport, Mississippi August 29, 2005.

[Clandestino]

a couple(tourists) i know had to hitchhike out of NO...

[samikeyp]

damn...the last place you want to be is outside during a hurricane. They are lucky they didn't get impaled.

[ChumpDumper]

a couple(tourists) i know had to hitchhike out of NO...Headline News just had a story about a couple taking a $950 cab ride from NOLA to Atlanta.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

From WDSU..


The Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office said it is receiving several 911 calls, but officers cannot respond to emergencies until the winds subside. Also, there are reports are several collapsed building, including one in Clearview where a woman may be trapped in her garage. -


Flooding is significantly worse along the west bank of the Mississippi River rather than the east bank. There are reports of street flooding and minor home flooding in the west bank area, but things appear to be more serious along the east bank. There are reports of waist-deep water in the Metairie area. East of New Orleans, some people say they are taking refuge from the flooding in their attics. If you do that, remember to take the proper tools, such as an axe or hatchett, with you. --


There are significant power outages in the New Orleans area. There is also a lot of structural damage to metal buildings and fences.

[N.Y. Johnny]

damn...the last place you want to be is outside during a hurricane. They are lucky they didn't get impaled.


no shit man.
that piece of fucking metal there could have split them in half.

[Jelly]

"I'm not doing too good right now," Chris Robinson said via cellphone from his home east of the city's downtown. "The water's rising pretty fast. I got a hammer and an ax and a crowbar, but I'm holding off on breaking through the roof until the last minute. Tell someone to come get me please. I want to live."

Everyone was ordered to evacuate. Why didn't he? If he has a cell phone he is probably not too poor and downtrodden to have left. Now he is asking people to risk their life to save him. He will have to wait til it's is safe.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, one of those vid feeds out of Mobile is showing a billboard (one of the 40 ft. tall ones) that was uprooted and blown into a building. Crazy.

[N.Y. Johnny]

everyone's reasons to stay are different whatever they are,, all i know if this was gonna happen where i'd be my ass would have left as soon as trouble seemed headed this way..my ass would have gone up the country. i don't care if i have to crawl anyway i can i'm out

no place, or job is worth my ass fuck it

[2pac]

Everyone was ordered to evacuate. Why didn't he? If he has a cell phone he is probably not too poor and downtrodden to have left. Now he is asking people to risk their life to save him. He will have to wait til it's is safe.

A pay-per-use cell phone is a little cheaper than a car. 100,000 people have no mode of transportation in New Orleans.

[samikeyp]

no place, or job is worth my ass fuck it

Amen.

[2pac]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050829/050829_inside_hmed_7a7.standard.jpg

[N.Y. Johnny]

jesus christ it sounds worse on XM 247

[Ginofan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12008291637.hurricane_katrina_ladm120.jpg
Cars sit idle on flooded streets in downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina came ashore on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12208291644.hurricane_katrina_ladm122.jpg
An Interstate-10 sign is nearly underwater near downtown New Orleans on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. Hurricane Katrina battered the coast with strong winds and heavy rains when it came ashore near Grand Isle. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

[Shelly]

With the Superdome roof being compromised, wonder what the odds are on some ambulance chaser filing a lawsuit for failure to provide adequate shelter?

Oh, you can bet on it.

[N.Y. Johnny]

stupid lawsuits and the scamsters will be out to rob people and cheat those that are in dire need when its all over

[N.Y. Johnny]

its been downgraded to category 2 now.

[SWC Bonfire]

There is actually a legal meaning to the term "acts of God". It can mitigate liability in the event of a natural disaster such as this one, so it depends on how the laws of LA are worded.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I think its so crazy that this storm seemed almost determined to hit NO, as if it were meant to hit NO

very scary

[Jelly]

A pay-per-use cell phone is a little cheaper than a car. 100,000 people have no mode of transportation in New Orleans.

how much do you wanna bet this guy had a way of getting out?

Just because 100K didn't have personal transportation doesn't mean they couldn't get out. I could be wrong, but I believe the city had busses and shuttles going around picking these people up. I do sympathize with people who were truly stuck, but I doubt this guy was one of them.

[2pac]

every bus that went out were completely full

[N.Y. Johnny]

god, this guy for Fox News might get killed out there...christ

[N.Y. Johnny]

i would have walked my bitch ass out if i didn't have a car

there Is such a thing as being stupid


exactly...i wouldn't wait for the city or nothin..at first sign of trouble coming, i'm getting my ass, people if i have any or pets and am GONE!

walk or run the hell outta there!

[spurster]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3988609667.jpg
This belongs in the "Are Men Smarter Than Women?" thread.

[2pac]

i would have walked my bitch ass out if i didn't have a car

there Is such a thing as being stupid

Walk across 20+ miles of swamps in any direction. Yes, I am sure you would have.

[samikeyp]

I really think that if someone would have wanted to get out, there would have been arrangements made....they started evacuating two days ago.

[Ginofan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12308291700.hurricane_katrina_ladm123.jpg
The Mound Underpass on Interstate-10 is flooded near downtown New Orleans on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005, as Hurricane Katrina dumped torrential rain and battered the city when it made landfall near Grand Isle. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

[ObiwanGinobili]

i would have walked my bitch ass out if i didn't have a car



yeah.. i would've walked along the shoulder of I-10 .. showing a little leg every now and then.. somebody would eventually give me a ride.
Even if I did have to ride in the dumbass CNN "Hurricane 1".....

[2pac]

ROAD

Cars were on all lanes, incluing the emergency lane.

Baton Rouge is 70 miles from NO. How long would that take while carrying your baby and maybe a little formula?

[Extra Stout]

I hope that people on the north side of town don't start thinking it's safe now just because the storm has moved north.

Lake Pontchartrain still hasn't crested yet. As Katrina moves north, it will blow the lake water south up against the levee, after having spent all morning blowing Gulf water into the lake.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

i would have picked you up obiwan

[SWC Bonfire]

ROAD

Rameses' army and the Red Sea come to mind... haven't you seen pics of the roads that are flooded?

[ChumpDumper]

We don't know this guy's situation so it's stupid to pass judgment.

[Kori Ellis]

I really think that if someone would have wanted to get out, there would have been arrangements made....they started evacuating two days ago.

Sorry but you are wrong. A lot of people could absolutely not get out. They did not have cars. Most other modes of transportation were overbooked or shutdown. They've interviewed 1000's of tourists whose flights were canceled two days ago, there were no rental cars or buses available.

Everyone can sit here and say all day that "they could have got out" but that's crap. Sure, some of them were dumb and chose to stay but thousands and thousands had absolutely no choice.

[N.Y. Johnny]

Looters!

[ObiwanGinobili]

Cars were on all lanes, incluing the emergency lane.

Baton Rouge is 70 miles from NO. How long would that take while carrying your baby and maybe a little formula?


elpimpo has a kid?


i would have picked you up obiwan

thank you. I knew you would. :makeout

[Extra Stout]

i would have started walking on FRIDAYYou have to cross swamps to get out. That would only work if you smell bad enough that the alligators won't eat you. You would know.

[N.Y. Johnny]

i would have picked up Elpimpo so he won't walk accross swamps and give him a hand :lol

[Cant_Be_Faded]

el pimpo's son, young pimpo, is currently studying for the national spelling bee championships

[2pac]

Some of you dumbasses sure can talk big while posting on the internet from sunny San Antonio.

[Kori Ellis]

Here's the report from 12noon.


000
WTNT32 KNHC 291654
TCPAT2
BULLETIN
HURRICANE KATRINA INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 27A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
NOON CDT MON AUG 29 2005

...KATRINA STILL POWERFUL BUT GRADUALLY WEAKENING AS IT MOVES
FARTHER INLAND...

A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST
FROM MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA EASTWARD TO THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA
BORDER...INCLUDING THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM EAST OF THE
ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER TO INDIAN PASS FLORIDA...AND FROM WEST OF
MORGAN CITY TO CAMERON LOUISIANA.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT NOON CDT...1700Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KATRINA WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 30.8 NORTH... LONGITUDE 89.6 WEST OR ABOUT 40 MILES
SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF HATTIESBURG MISSISSIPPI.

KATRINA IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH NEAR 17 MPH...AND THIS GENERAL
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TODAY AND TONIGHT. ON THIS TRACK
THE CENTER WILL CONTINUE MOVING OVER SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI TODAY AND
INTO CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI THIS EVENING AND TONIGHT.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE DECREASED TO NEAR 105 MPH...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. KATRINA IS NOW A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. WINDS AFFECTING THE UPPER FLOORS OF HIGH
RISE BUILDINGS WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER THAN THOSE NEAR
GROUND LEVEL. WEAKENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS AS
THE CENTER MOVES OVER LAND. HOWEVER...HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ARE
EXPECTED TO SPREAD AS FAR AS 150 MILES INLAND ALONG THE PATH OF
KATRINA. SEE INLAND HURRICANE AND TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS FROM
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICES.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 125 MILES FROM THE
CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 230 MILES. FAR FROM THE CENTER...DAUPHIN ISLAND ALABAMA REPORTED
SUSTAINED WINDS OF 76 MPH WITH A GUST TO 102 MPH...MOBILE ALABAMA
REPORTED A WIND GUST TO 83 MPH...AND PENSACOLA FLORIDA REPORTED
SUSTAINED WINDS OF 52 MPH WITH A GUST TO 69 MPH.

THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 940 MB...27.76 INCHES.

COASTAL STORM SURGE FLOODING ALONG THE NORTHERN AND NORTHEASTERN
GULF OF MEXICO COAST WILL BEGIN TO SLOWLY SUBSIDE LATER TODAY.

RAINFALL TOTALS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF
15 INCHES...ARE POSSIBLE ALONG THE PATH OF KATRINA ACROSS THE GULF
COAST AND THE TENNESSEE VALLEY. RAINFALL TOTALS OF 4 TO 8 INCHES
ARE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES
REGION TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY.

A FEW TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE OVER PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN AND EASTERN
MISSISSIPPI...SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL ALABAMA...AND THE WESTERN
FLORIDA PANHANDLE TODAY.

REPEATING THE NOON CDT POSITION...30.8 N... 89.6 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTH NEAR 17 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...105 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 940 MB.

AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER AT 2 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 4 PM
CDT.

FORECASTER PASCH

[2pac]

Some of you dumbasses sure can talk big while posting on the internet from sunny San Antonio.




11:50 a.m.:St. Bernard Residents Forced Into Attics
Several people in St. Bernard Parish have been forced into their attics because of the rising water. In many homes, the water has risen above the second floor. "We know people are up in their attics hollering for help," said state Sen. Walter Boasso. The state Department of Wildlife and Fish says it is standing by with 60 boats and will head out into neighborhoods as soon as the winds subside to assist stranded and trapped residents. -- WDSU anchor Kriss Fairbairn.

[Rita929]

el pimpo's son, young pimpo


young pimpo lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

Everyone can sit here and say all day that "they could have got out" but that's crap.


I'm just saying what I would do becasue I know myself and I have had to face a similar situatuon in the past.
we were under a voluntary evacuation but we chose to go. and thank go we did.
and my car did get stuck in a sink hole and flooded out on a back country road and I did get out and walk my happy butt to safety untill someone picked me up.
I'd do it again if needed i nthe future. thats just how I am.

[Ginofan]

You talk about walking out...alot of those people that couldn't get out are elderly, how the hell are they supposed to just walk out of the city?

[KEDA]

motorized scooters can only get you so far, the people were smart to go to the Superdome, its better than trying to fight it out at home.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm just saying what I would do becasue I know myself and I have had to face a similar situatuon in the past.
we were under a voluntary evacuation but we chose to go. and thank go we did.
and my car did get stuck in a sink hole and flooded out on a back country road and I did get out and walk my happy butt to safety untill someone picked me up.
I'd do it again if needed i nthe future. thats just how I am.

Yeah I get that. But if you didn't have a car (like 100K of them don't) I don't think you could have walked through the swamps 100 miles to safety in this situation.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd get out too -- but I have money and a car and good health. Not everyone is as fortunate.

[ObiwanGinobili]

You talk about walking out...alot of those people that couldn't get out are elderly, how the hell are they supposed to just walk out of the city?


this is where i get really mad at the mayor etc for waitign so long before getting buses going along with other measures.

[MannyIsGod]

You know, I have a lot to post now that I'm at the end of this thread but I'm going to start with this...

Obiwan and El Pimpo, you 2 are extremely full of shit in this thread. I'm sure that you're going to risk walking on highways - some of which don't have shoulders for 10s of miles because they are bridges over swamps - in 100 degree heat indexs for about 60 miles rather than take shelter some where in NO.

Especially you Obiwan! You're fucking pregnant!

You all need to stop being so fucking self righteous for a moment and realize the people you are bad mouthing are in serious danger. Who really gives a flying fuck if they were stupid?

Give me a fucking break.

[samikeyp]

Sorry but you are wrong. A lot of people could absolutely not get out. They did not have cars. Most other modes of transportation were overbooked or shutdown. They've interviewed 1000's of tourists whose flights were canceled two days ago, there were no rental cars or buses available.

Everyone can sit here and say all day that "they could have got out" but that's crap. Sure, some of them were dumb and chose to stay but thousands and thousands had absolutely no choice.

Well no...not being in charge of the evacuation plan of New Orleans I am not 100%, absolutely, positively sure what the exact plan was but I would think that the city would do all it possibly could to help out as many people as possible. Not once in 37 pages did I say "oh well they could have got out if they wanted too" because I am aware of the fact that there are homeless people, sick people and people vital to the safety and security of the city who would be unable to leave. My point was, is and will be that I believe (an opinion not fact) that the city would have done all they can to help get people out. Doesn't mean they could get everyone out, but they would have tried.

[Spurminator]

When will the insanity of sticking a reporter in the middle of a storm finally end?

Very few things baffle me more.

[CosmicCowboy]

You know, I have a lot to post now that I'm at the end of this thread but I'm going to start with this...

Obiwan and El Pimpo, you 2 are extremely full of shit in this thread. I'm sure that you're going to risk walking on highways - some of which don't have shoulders for 10s of miles because they are bridges over swamps - in 100 degree heat indexs for about 60 miles rather than take shelter some where in NO.

Especially you Obiwan! You're fucking pregnant!

You all need to stop being so fucking self righteous for a moment and realize the people you are bad mouthing are in serious danger. Who really gives a flying fuck if they were stupid?

Give me a fucking break.


Yeah...I would have ridden Manny's bicycle outa there... :lol

[j-6]

re: walking vs riding it out

I had a conversation about this on Saturday.

It all depends on how high your level of self-preservation is. Mine's high enough that I would have figured out some way of leaving town immediately if not sooner, like paying someone to ride in the bed of their pickup, riding a bicycle, etc. My GF wouldn't leave all of her precious belongings she's spent a life gathering behind when she knows there is a chance that they'd be spared.

I brought this up this morning, and hindsight's 20-20.

[Kori Ellis]

My point was, is and will be that I believe (an opinion not fact) that the city would have done all they can to help get people out.

Sure, if they started evacuating last Wednesday or before, they probably could have gotten everyone out would wanted out. But they didn't start that long ago. In the time frame they had, the city did not and could not get the 1000's of people out who wanted out.

[N.Y. Johnny]

When will the insanity of sticking a reporter in the middle of a storm finally end?

Very few things baffle me more.
\


yeah i just saw some poor guy being batted around in the wind against cars and getting hit with debris.

[Kori Ellis]

re: walking vs riding it out

I had a conversation about this on Saturday.

It all depends on how high your level of self-preservation is. Mine's high enough that I would have figured out some way of leaving town immediately if not sooner, like paying someone to ride in the bed of their pickup, riding a bicycle, etc. My GF wouldn't leave all of her precious belongings she's spent a life gathering behind when she knows there is a chance that they'd be spared.

I brought this up this morning, and hindsight's 20-20.


Sure - me too. But I'm healthy and have cash to pay people to help me get out. That's not the situation for a lot of people.

[j-6]

To bring up a point Manny made about page six or so, I wonder how many people feel like real asses right now when they loaded their cars up with books and TV sets when they could have used the extra space on a less fortunate passenger.

[2pac]

All reporters there volunteered to be there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Now that Katrina has moved inland, the threat of storm surge along Louisiana's southeastern coast has lessened. The only area that may still see storm surge is the south shore of Lake Ponchartrain. The storm surge along the Mississippi Gulf Coast is 20 to 25 feet. There are reports of the storm surge carrying boats across roads. -- WDSU chief meteorologist Dan Milham

Looks like all eyes in NO are on Ponchartrain.

[Manu20]

Steve Gregory

AUG 29 12:10PM

DAMAGE REPORTS

Storm surge and 30 foot waves breeched the NO levees - much of city under 2-3 ft of water - structuaal damage
reported some parts of the eastern suburbs of NO.

STORM SURGE REPORT:
"Mayfield said at midmorning the worst flooding from storm surge was on the Mississippi coast, east of the eye,
with the highest storm surge recorded so far at 22 feet in Bay St. Louis.

Steve

[samikeyp]

Sure, if they started evacuating last Wednesday or before, they probably could have gotten everyone out would wanted out. But they didn't start that long ago. In the time frame they had, the city did not and could not get the 1000's of people out who wanted out.

You're right...in the time alotted...a full evacuation was impossible, my point was they would have tried to get as many out as possible.

[N.Y. Johnny]

To bring up a point Manny made about page six or so, I wonder how many people feel like real asses right now when they loaded their cars up with books and TV sets when they could have used the extra space on a less fortunate passenger.


i guess there might be some that don't feel like asses at all, probably some that are thinking maybe, "i got out of there, better them than me..i saved my 42 inch plasma tv!"

[MannyIsGod]

From what I can see, there really was no jog to the east for this storm. New Orleans has been hit pretty damn hard, but it was spared total destruction because of a few things:

The storm lost a lot of its power on the western side (the side NO got) as it came close to shore. There could be lots of reasons for this - and you can bet your ass the next 5 years of meteorologists getting doctorates will be trying to figure it out and writting their papers on this - but whatever the case it really was an answered prayer.

When the storm loses convection, the winds aren't usually as much of a factor in that area. There is a shitload of dynamics invloved and I really don't know much about why this is the case, but it is what it is. So NO missed getting winds as bad as they could have.

This in turn lowered the amount of storm surge. Storm surge is just water pushed up and forward by the winds of a storm. It is usually higher on the east north and east sides of a storm because when they come ashore in this country, the water is usually to the east or to the south. So those are the sides where the wind is blowing onshore.

But New Orleans is different because the main source of water for surge is on the NORTH on the city. So the worst of the surge would be to the west of the eye where the wind is blowing over the water and onto land.

But because of lowered winds in that portion of the storm, they didn't have the strength to push the water in a larger surge.

You of course also get less direct wind damage.

I don't know what the peak winds from NO were during this storm, but they probably weren't more than 120 at the most. That is a far cry from the 175 they were staring down earlier in the day.

[samikeyp]

Someone on CNN last night was saying that if it would have hit just right, their could have been water on the streets of NO for 6 months. Don't know if that was an exaggeration but its damn scary.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.sivae.it/images/nutria%203.jpg

It's gonna suck if New Orleans gets drowned because a bunch of damn water rats like this one weakened the Ponchatrain levee and it can't handle the surge/waves...

[N.Y. Johnny]

http://www.sivae.it/images/nutria%203.jpg

It's gonna suck if New Orleans gets drowned because a bunch of damn water rats like this one weakened the Ponchatrain levee and it can't handle the surge/waves...


i have those bastards out here in the ponds

[Kori Ellis]

What's the status of the Ponchatrain levees at this point?

[SpursWoman]

Everyone can sit here and say all day that "they could have got out" but that's crap. Sure, some of them were dumb and chose to stay


I believe those were the people we were talking about...which sounded like the guy that was quoted. Given the tools he had chosen to break through his own roof, I'm making an educated guess that he had at least some physical ability and wasn't handicap or otherwise infirm.

Even if they couldn't have gotten out of the city, unless they had to walk barefoot through 20 miles of glass and swampland there's no reason why they couldn't have at least tried to find a more secure shelter with far more safety standards than their KB crackerjack box.

[samikeyp]

I sympathize with the people who couldn't get out. I don't sympathize with those who could get out but didn't. What sucks about those people is the rescue workers who have to risk injury or death trying to save their dumb asses.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

People need to quit with the walking talk. Even if you're a healthy young person, what type of distance do you really expect to cover, no matter what day over the weekend you left.

First of all, there was no safe place to walk. Secondly people reported that most cars were full leaving hardly any chance for the "hopefully someone would pick me up" crew. And thirdly, hurricane force winds extended over 100 miles from the eye so good luck walking 100 miles in a couple of days through the swamps.

And for the people claiming they would "run", what would you do after a couple of hours when you couldn't run anymore (if some of these "runners" could even last that long). Even if you where a marathon class runner, you can't escape the storm, especially at it's originally projected landfall.

And Obiwan, I like your posts and you seem like a good person but your situation doesn't apply. You had a vehicle to start out with that just happened to break down. I'd imagine this was unexpected as well so when you left, you had no reason to believe you wouldn't escape the storm. Most of the people who stayed behind had no transportation options.

They've shown pics of three people running through the rain to the Superdome and in each case, their homes have been described as destroyed. These are the people that decided to "run their happy asses" to better shelter when their own collapsed.

Most of us are fortunate to be in areas that rarely see this type of devastation and we are fortunate to own vehicles and have decent economic means. New Orleans is a very poor town and these people where simply caught with no where to go.

I'm sure that practically everyone who could hitch a ride out did and despite the presence of a few dumbasses who could but didn't, we can't make judgements about these people.

[2pac]

2 of the 10 chelters are reporting major structural damage

[Jelly]

Everyone can sit here and say all day that "they could have got out" but that's crap. Sure, some of them were dumb and chose to stay but thousands and thousands had absolutely no choice.

I am applying that judgment directly to those who could have left but didn't and there are plenty of people in that category. We all saw people interviewed on the news refusing to leave for bullshit reasons. There was a couple in their 60s interviewed on Fox in front of their house (which had like 3 cars in the driveway btw) who laughed and said they weren't going to leave because they'd lived there all their lives and no storm was going to chase them out. I saw another interview of several men saying they weren't going to leave and that they'd rather watch this than a movie. If those same people are now calling for rescue, I'd say screw them. Right now on CNN there is a guy from rescue services going to great pains trying to explain why he can't risk the lives of his men to send them out in treacherous conditions to save people right now. He seems a little irritated and I don't blame him.

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.sivae.it/images/nutria%203.jpg

It's gonna suck if New Orleans gets drowned because a bunch of damn water rats like this one weakened the Ponchatrain levee and it can't handle the surge/waves...
I remember watching Dave Atell vist NO and get to go along with the people that shoot those fuckers each night. Great stuff.

[ObiwanGinobili]

You know, I have a lot to post now that I'm at the end of this thread but I'm going to start with this...

Obiwan and El Pimpo, you 2 are extremely full of shit in this thread. I'm sure that you're going to risk walking on highways - some of which don't have shoulders for 10s of miles because they are bridges over swamps - in 100 degree heat indexs for about 60 miles rather than take shelter some where in NO.

Especially you Obiwan! You're fucking pregnant!




manny. breathe. deep breaths.
I am simply saying I would do whatever was necassary to get myslef out including walking if i had to. i know I'm pregnant, thast why i want ot get to safety. last time I walked out of an emergency situation I did so with my 1yr old brother strapped to my back like luggage. I walked along the road, between the cars.. and finaly someone said : Hey! I'll give you a ride.
this is what I would do. what these people do or not do for wahtever reason is there buisness. alot of these people had no options available to them, i understand that. But i also know what I would do since I've done it before and what i would do is not wrong to do. it's not wrong for me to say what i would do.
breathe.
and lets all move on to the hurricane allready.
any updates on Mobile??? I heard they got the worst of it so far......

[Kori Ellis]

I believe those were the people we were talking about...which sounded like the guy that was quoted.

I know that's who YOU were talking about. But a lot of people in this thread keep saying that all or most of the 200+K that stayed could have gotten out if they wanted to. I don't think that's the case. A lot of them just couldn't .. poor, old, unhealthy, unlucky, whatever.

[ObiwanGinobili]

2 of the 10 chelters are reporting major structural damage


would that be the superdome and the high school that reportadly lost it's roof?
or are they talkign about another shelter besides the superdome?

[Manu20]

http://headlines.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&article=2

Some facts from Katrina as she crosses the the coastline and into southern Louisiana:

Sunday, sustained winds in Katrina had vaulted to a peak of 175 mph and highest gusts reached an unbelievable 215 mph. The storm came inland

Monday morning with maximum sustained winds of 140 mph. Waves in the open waters of the Gulf of Mexico, about 75 miles south of the Gulf coastline, topped 47 feet. Grande Isle, LA recored a wind gust of 114 mph as Katrina neared. There were also gusts to 113 mph at Pascagoula Civil Defense office, MA, 102 mph at Belle Chasse, LA, and 101 mph at Southwest Pass, LA.

Check back to Accuweather.com for additional updates as Hurricane Katrina unleashes her power on the southern Gulf Coast States.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I believe those were the people we were talking about...which sounded like the guy that was quoted. Given the tools he had chosen to break through his own roof, I'm making an educated guess that he had at least some physical ability and was handicap or otherwise infirm.

Even if they couldn't have gotten out of the city, unless they had to walk barefoot through 20 miles of glass and swampland there's no reason why they couldn't have at least tried to find a more secure shelter with far more safety standards than their KB crackerjack box.


when I made my one comment about the guy with the cell phone.. this is the type of people I was talking about.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I remember watching Dave Atell vist NO and get to go along with the people that shoot those fuckers each night. Great stuff.

Haha, I remember that too! Awesome.

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/GOES17252005241EJN4ql.jpg

It actually has a more solid core over Mississippi than it did earlier over LA. The wind speed will be down, but the area getting hurricane force winds will probably be greater.

I don't know what the hell caused that storm to weaken, but it saved NO.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Waves in the open waters of the Gulf of Mexico, about 75 miles south of the Gulf coastline, topped 47 feet. Grande Isle, LA recored a wind gust of 114 mph as Katrina neared. There were also gusts to 113 mph at Pascagoula Civil Defense office, MA, 102 mph at Belle Chasse, LA, and 101 mph at Southwest Pass, LA.

Check back to Accuweather.com for additional updates as Hurricane Katrina unleashes her power on the southern Gulf Coast States.

No offense, but you need to find a better source :lol Pascagoula isn't in MA, it's in MS.

And way earlier in this thread I was posting wave heights from buoys as high as 82 feet.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and every minute that goes by and those levees hold is a good thing. The winds aren't coming straight form the north anymore and are going to get weaker and weaker.

The forward speed it picked up (from 10mph to 16mph) was also anotehr godsend.

[2pac]

would that be the superdome and the high school that reportadly lost it's roof?
or are they talkign about another shelter besides the superdome?

Other than teh Superdome - these are shelters in St Bernard.

[Extra Stout]

I don't know what the hell caused that storm to weaken, but it saved NO.
There was a patch of dry high-pressure north of the storm that got pulled in as a trough approached and weakened convection along the west side.

[Ginofan]

Storm surge and 30 foot waves breeched the NO levees - much of city under 2-3 ft of water - structuaal damage
reported some parts of the eastern suburbs of NO.


Better than the 20 or 30ft of water it could've been under if the storm hadn't shifted.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Other than teh Superdome - these are shelters in St Bernard.


which reminds me... any news on the HS that lost it's roof???

[MannyIsGod]

There was a patch of dry high-pressure north of the storm that got pulled in as a trough approached and weakened convection along the west side.
That event occuring implies an already weaking hurricane because the storm prior to that point was pushing all the dry air away with its outflow.

It was probably a combination of things.

[JoePublic]

The power of prayer work wonders.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm really amazed the at how the storm is holding itself together after being over land for almost 9 hours now. It still has a very discernable eye!

I'm also convinced that had the eyewall not collapsed when it did, NO would be gone. They got lucky.

But the sad thing is this is still going to to cause billions of damage and the oil rigs out in the ocean didn't get much relief.

[Jelly]

The power of prayer work wonders.

So no one was praying for the 150,000 souls in Southeast Asia?

[1369]

I'm really amazed the at how the storm is holding itself together after being over land for almost 9 hours now. It still has a very discernable eye!

I'm also convinced that had the eyewall not collapsed when it did, NO would be gone. They got lucky.

But the sad thing is this is still going to to cause billions of damage and the oil rigs out in the ocean didn't get much relief.

Manny, earlier this morning (about 0300 earlier) I was listening to some of the talking heads on CNN and they think that Katrina will maintain Tropical Storm status all the way to the Ohio valley.

[MannyIsGod]

That is pretty damn impressive.

[1369]

So no one was praying for the 150,000 souls in Southeast Asia?

I would imagine so, but in this case the warnings were able to be communicated to the effected areas.

Also, people had days and not hours to prepare for this.

[MannyIsGod]

Still, at least a cat 2 hurricane that far inland is phenomenal.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hurricane Katrina is now on a path that will take it through Mississippi. And the governor says if his worst fears are true, there could be "a lot of dead people" along the coast. Gov. Haley Barbour said the storm hit Mississippi "like a ton of bricks." It brought a 22-foot storm surge, blew out the windows of a hospital, and left sailboats on a four-lane highway

[MannyIsGod]

A lot of people bitched about the news coverage NO got and how not enough emphasis was put on the coasts of MS and AL. It looks like they may have been right.

[SWC Bonfire]

My prediction of Biloxi, MS was pretty close... too bad this thing couldn't have weakened, turned SW and hit somewhere around Baffin Bay.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yep, I think you can pretty much kiss the entire coastal regions of Mississippi and Alabama goodbye, with Gulfport, MS ceasing to exist.

[SPARKY]

Gulfport will remain, but some of those casinos don't exist anymore...

[SWC Bonfire]

Unless the land physically eroded into the sea, the newer buildings will still be there, especially the ones made of concrete.

[Extra Stout]

Water is six feet high over Interstate 10 near the Biloxi River. Near Gulfport, container trailers and other debris have floated over the roadway on I-10. The road is more than 20 feet above sea level.

Hancock County, MS Emergency Operations Center took on a foot of water from the storm surge. The building was located 30 feet above sea level before the storm.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Sheesh, this thing has some serious reach.

Pensacola, Fl...

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/top.pensacola.ap.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The weather service reported that "extensive and life-threatening storm surge flooding" was occurring along the Louisiana and Mississippi coast.


The Associated Press reported that entire neighborhoods along the south shore of Lake Pontchartrain were flooded, and residents had scrambled onto the roofs of their shotgun-style houses.


Authorities in Gulfport, Mississippi, told CNN's Gary Tuchman that 10 feet of water covered downtown streets.


The U.S. Coast Guard said it has received reports that Katrina has set adrift one, and possibly two, unmanned off-shore oil drilling units in the Gulf of Mexico.

[1369]

The U.S. Coast Guard said it has received reports that Katrina has set adrift one, and possibly two, unmanned off-shore oil drilling units in the Gulf of Mexico.

With the damage that "Thunderhorse" sustained during Dennis, I wonder if it survived this round.

[Jelly]

what is a "shot-gun" style house. I can take a guess (piece-o-crap construction?) but I've never heard this expression before.

[SWC Bonfire]

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Shotgun_House.html

If I remember correctly it means you can stand at the front door and hit something outside the back door with a shotgun.

[1369]

"Shotgun" style houses are long, narrow, and tightly packed together.

Term comes from an observation that if you fired a shotgun through the front door, it would reach all the way to the back room (or at least as so I've heard).

[Extra Stout]

what is a "shot-gun" style house. I can take a guess (piece-o-crap construction?) but I've never heard this expression before.

It's a narrow, long, wooden-frame house. It's called a "shotgun" house because it's only one room wide, so if you fired a shotgun at the house from the front porch, it would go through every room before exiting the back.

Those homes date from early in the 20th century and are inhabitated mostly by impoverished blacks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ny11908291835.hurricane_katrina_ny119.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3874462734.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050829/i/r3806908062.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12308291700.hurricane_katrina_ladm123.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12208291644.hurricane_katrina_ladm122.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12008291637.hurricane_katrina_ladm120.jpg

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.cuw81.290805160035.photo00.photo.default-398x249.jpg

*** Lake Pontchartrain coming over a road ***

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.lamw10208291306.hurricane_katrina_lamw102.jpg

[baseline bum]

This is nothing compared to what this was hyped up to be. How the hell is it that New Orleans keeps averting disaster at the very last second, with Mississippi getting screwed every freaking time? The thing looked like it disintegrated on the side that hit New Orleans. I was expecting to see way worse photos than anything I've come across so far.

[Marklar MM]

Well ya. NO did get lucky. I just wonder what the total damages/death toll will be after the hurricane. They won't be as bad as predicted, but they will be very terrible.

[j-6]

what is a "shot-gun" style house. I can take a guess (piece-o-crap construction?) but I've never heard this expression before.


It's a style of house with no hallways, just four or five rooms in a row from front to back. They were real popular in the deep South because it's very easy to add rooms on the backside of the house for the poor folks that own them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's a term for any cheaply constrcuted home now.

(I think the term comes from being able to fire a shotgun from the front porch, with the load going through every room to the back wall.)

[SPARKY]

NO isn't out of the woods yet.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well, to be fair you've got places that the reporters can't get to yet in NO. Hell, the east side of New Orleans is under 8 feet of water, kinda hard to take a picture of that.

I agree though, Mississippi is getting destroyed while NO lives on.

[SWC Bonfire]

How the hell is it that New Orleans keeps averting disaster at the very last second, with Mississippi getting screwed every freaking time?

Voodoo.

[baseline bum]

I half expected to wake up to New Orleans looking like Phuket or something.

[Kip Fanatic]

Here is a photo of a shotgun house.
http://www.smpl.org/archive/0987/IMG0065.JPG

[MannyIsGod]

Seriously, NO dodged another bullet. Its simply amazing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well, you got your wish baseline bum...


WDSU reporter Heath Allen says he is stranded on the second floor of the St. Bernard Parish government building. He said officials are telling him the water is 15 to 20 feet deep on the streets throughout the parish. -- WDSU.com Web Staff

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

For those of you playing along at home, St. Bernard Parish is the south side of Lake Pontchartrain.

Google map:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=St.+Bernard+Parish,+new+orleans&ll=29.956761,-90.074618&spn=0.264910,0.481407&num=10&start=0&hl=en

[Jelly]

Here is a photo of a shotgun house.
http://www.smpl.org/archive/0987/IMG0065.JPG

thanks to everyone who answered my shotgun question :)

[2pac]

The Associated Press reported that entire neighborhoods along the south shore of Lake Pontchartrain were flooded, and residents had scrambled onto the roofs of their shotgun-style houses.
Jefferson, St Bernard, Orleans are all south of Ponch.

Those are 9th Ward houses on the East Side of the Industrial Canal over where the Lakefront Airport is.

I lived in the upper 9th ward from 81-85 and it is total crap.