Official Hurricane Katrina Thread

[j-6]

new blog info from WWL:

4:42 P.M. - (AP) Electric companies from around the country are rushing crews to the hurricane-ravaged South. They will help restore power to an area so devastated that it could be weeks or even months before the lights come back on in many places. David Botkins, a spokesman for Dominion Virginia Power, says 200 workers are headed to Louisiana and Mississippi.

4:40 P.M. - (AP) State officials say they are working on plans to evaucate inmates from the Orleans Parish prison and the Jefferson Parish jail. Both facilities face a threat of flooding.

The state Corrections Department is trying to figure out how to transfer 4,000 inmates from the New Orleans jail and another 1,000 from the Jefferson Parish jail in Gretna.

The inmates would be moved to state prisons including the highest-security at Angola. Corrections spokesman Pam LaBorde says it's quite a logistical situation to accomplish.

4:23 P.M. - Jefferson Parish officials say schools could reopen two months after Labor Day.

[Ginofan]

I think they need to drop all this levee shit and completely concentrate on getting the folks out of the city, period. 80% is underwater and it's still filling up...it's not like they're going to be able to do anything as far as getting the water out immediately, if at all.

Really, at this point what's another 15 feet of water if you get the city completely evacuated? Everything (for the most part) is ruined or damaged.

But is evacuating the ENTIRE city even possible? Where are they going to take these people, now that the shelters are being endangered...the whole situation is a HUGE mess.

[SpursWoman]

I think they need to drop all this levee shit and completely concentrate on getting the folks out of the city, period. 80% is underwater and it's still filling up...it's not like they're going to be able to do anything as far as getting the water out immediately, if at all.



I agree. Start filling those choppers up with people and get them the hell out of there.

[MannyIsGod]

Sounds familiar. Slower, but just as devastating. :(
Take a look at the pictures from Mississippi. Ok.

Now combine that with what you are seeing in NO.

That would have been the worse case scenario.

[j-6]

But is evacuating the ENTIRE city even possible? Where are they going to take these people, now that the shelters are being endangered...the whole situation is a HUGE mess.

Take them to the closest dry land outside of the bowl, right now. Concentrate on saving lives rather than structures. Fuck everything else.

[MannyIsGod]

But is evacuating the ENTIRE city even possible? Where are they going to take these people, now that the shelters are being endangered...the whole situation is a HUGE mess.
I think they are about to find out.

[MannyIsGod]

Take them to the closest dry land outside of the bowl, right now. Concentrate on saving lives rather than structures. Fuck everything else.
I'm pretty sure there is no focus on saving structures right now with the exception of trying to repair the levees.

[j-6]

Realistically, how long will it take to empty 60,000 people out of the Superdome? They're still finding people on top of roofs and trees in NO.

I can't believe how fast this situation is deteriorating.

[SpursWoman]

Take a look at the pictures from Mississippi. Ok.

Now combine that with what you are seeing in NO.

That would have been the worse case scenario.


Yes, Mr. God-I-Fucking-Know-It-All. This isn't devastating because not EVERYONE was wiped out all at one time.

Worst case scenario is that NO is wiped out and hundreds to thousands of lives lost. And that's exactly what's happening.

[j-6]

I'm pretty sure there is no focus on saving structures right now with the exception of trying to repair the levees.

That would be the only reason they're even attempting to repair the levee's, right? Otherwise all focus would be on rescue and evacuation, where it belongs.

[j-6]

OK, I'm as guilty of this as anyone, but let's calm the fuck down. Sorry to be short with you, Manny.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, Mr. God-I-Fucking-Know-It-All. This isn't devastating because not EVERYONE was wiped out all at one time.
Don't get bitchy with me. I never said it wasn't devestating. I dropped this shit way earlier today and you had to bust out with an "I told you so", so don't get bitchy.

It could have been MUCH worse. I don't know why you can't understand that. Yes, it is devistating, but everyone of those people they rescued was very close to being dead instead of being rescued.

[Ginofan]

Levees need to be repaird so the water will stop rising...endangering more people. I don't think they are focusing on the levees with the intent of saving buildings, I would hope that the intent would be preventing more deaths.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and because I forgot to add it to the last post...

:flipoff

[Jelly]

Realistically, how long will it take to empty 60,000 people out of the Superdome? They're still finding people on top of roofs and trees in NO.

I can't believe how fast this situation is deteriorating.

But they are not evacuating the Superdome are they? I understand they are just evacuating the hundreds of smaller shelters around the city.

[MannyIsGod]

That would be the only reason they're even attempting to repair the levee's, right? Otherwise all focus would be on rescue and evacuation, where it belongs.
They are trying to stop the flooding. You really can't save anything, but if they can stop the flooding at least the people in the shelters aren't in as much danger.

[MannyIsGod]

But they are not evacuating the Superdome are they? I understand they are just evacuating the hundreds of smaller shelters around the city.
I think the governor said they wanted to get everyone out of the SD as well, but I'm not sure.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

.it's not like they're going to be able to do anything as far as getting the water out immediately, if at all.

Once they get the levees stopped up, they can start pumping out again. Right now any water they pump out into Pontch is coming right back in through the gap.

I think they've made the call that either they stop the levee leaks or they're going to have a hell of a lot more dead people.

[SpursWoman]

Oh, and because I forgot to add it to the last post...

:flipoff


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[SpursWoman]

Once they get the levees stopped up, they can start pumping out again. Right now any water they pump out into Pontch is coming right back in through the gap.

I think they've made the call that either they stop the levee leaks or they're going to have a hell of a lot more dead people.


What are they going to pump with....I thought none of them were functional?

[Jelly]

God bless the U.S. Coast Guard. True American heroes.

[MannyIsGod]

:blah :blah :blah
Yeah, exactly.

I don't know what crawled up your ass, but I'm not making it a point to prove you wrong or anything like that.

[j-6]

But they are not evacuating the Superdome are they? I understand they are just evacuating the hundreds of smaller shelters around the city.


Guv Blanco wants the Superdome emptied out as quickly as possible Unsanitary, sauna-like,very little drinking water, and mounting tensions. There's 60K people in there when it was holding 12K the night before. I'm sure they'd like to consolidate the shelters a bit for evacuation purposes.

Those rescue crews are kicking ass. Here's to them doing more of it.

Official death toll at 59, by the way.

[MannyIsGod]

There are still pumping stations that aren't submerged.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurswoman,

On WWL-TV the mayor said that two of the pumps are operational, including the big one (#3), but that they shut them down with the levee breaks because the water they were pumping out of the city was coming right back in through the Pontchartraine levee break.

[j-6]

Once they get the levees stopped up, they can start pumping out again. Right now any water they pump out into Pontch is coming right back in through the gap.

I think they've made the call that either they stop the levee leaks or they're going to have a hell of a lot more dead people.

I thought all the pumps were submerged, and then they'd have to be repaired and have the fuel tanks cleaned out before they could use them.

[j-6]

Spurswoman,

On WWL-TV the mayor said that two of the pumps are operational, including the big one (#3), but that they shut them down with the levee breaks because the water they were pumping out of the city was coming right back in through the Pontchartraine levee break.


Can you still get the feed? I haven't had it most of the day. Thanks for the correction with those pumps, BTW.

[MannyIsGod]

I thought all the pumps were submerged, and then they'd have to be repaired and have the fuel tanks cleaned out before they could use them.
No, they were anticipating under the worst case scenario - the one that didn't happen - they would all be submerged. But there are a few that are operational.

[Jelly]

Once they get the levees stopped up, they can start pumping out again. Right now any water they pump out into Pontch is coming right back in through the gap.

I think they've made the call that either they stop the levee leaks or they're going to have a hell of a lot more dead people.

I have faith that these guys know what they're doing and I'm sure they're doing everything they can to minimize loss of life. All the Spurstalk know-it-alls (and there are many :lol ) on this board second guessing them need to shut the hell up.

[j-6]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0508/gallery.katrina.citizens/images/louisiana/03.lou.fernandez.jpg

This picture was taken by Calvin Sylvester in New Orleans of his family's home in the 9th Ward, one of the areas where the pumps failed. The picture was submitted by Francisco Fernandez.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0508/gallery.katrina.citizens/images/louisiana/04.lou.jimbrown.jpg

Jim Brown of New Orleans took this picture of Lake Pontchartrain around 2 p.m. Monday.

[Jelly]

[QUOTE=j-6]
Those rescue crews are kicking ass. Here's to them doing more of it.

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:tu

[1369]

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know what crawled up your ass

She needs a smoke and the other thread about quitting smoking has her feeling guilty.

[1369]

One thing with all this water, there is going to be one hell of a crawdad crop next year.

[CosmicCowboy]

They can't just admit they are fucked and can't stop it but they are...

The only quick way I can think to get the breaches sealed ASAP is to get as many functioning dredges as they can and start pumping off the bottom of Ponchatrain and dumping the discharge into the breaches...just make a giant spoil island to fill the holes...those rigs are everywhere up and down the intercoastal...thats how they keep the channels clear...

unfortunately New Orleans is going to be filled to sea level before anything can fix it...

[j-6]

I have faith that these guys know what they're doing and I'm sure they're doing everything they can to minimize loss of life. All the Spurstalk know-it-alls (and there are many :lol ) on this board second guessing them need to shut the hell up.


I'm sure they're trying their damnedest. But filling up a hole the size of a football field that's flowing from a flood-heavy lake into a lower area by precision-dropping sandbags from a helicopter when they can use the same helicopters to evacuate refugees seems like a waste of resources to this Monday-Morning Quarterback, anyway.

I hope they're right and I'm wrong, though.

[SpursWoman]

She needs a smoke and the other thread about quitting smoking has her feeling guilty.


Yeah, that must be it

[1369]

They can't just admit they are fucked and can't stop it but they are...

The only quick way I can think to get the breaches sealed ASAP is to get as many functioning dredges as they can and start pumping off the bottom of Ponchatrain and dumping the discharge into the breaches...just make a giant spoil island to fill the holes...those rigs are everywhere up and down the intercoastal...thats how they keep the channels clear...

unfortunately New Orleans is going to be filled to sea level before anything can fix it...

Either that or drive a shit load of sheet piling.

[MannyIsGod]

yeah, those openings are huge. The thing is, if they do stop them, wouldn't the pressure then increase along the levee everywhere else? There are probably more weakspots that would crumble as well.

Or so I would think, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not an engineer.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm sure they're trying their damnedest. But filling up a hole the size of a football field that's flowing from a flood-heavy lake into a lower area by precision-dropping sandbags from a helicopter when they can use the same helicopters to evacuate refugees seems like a waste of resources to this Monday-Morning Quarterback, anyway.

I hope they're right and I'm wrong, though.

I think their line of thinking is using barges loaded with sand and cranes.

[j-6]

Holy shit. The Spurs signed Nick Van Exel? Man, I gotta work on the tunnel vision.

[SpursWoman]

There are probably more weakspots that would crumble as well.


I'm very surprised they haven't already...

[MannyIsGod]

I'm very surprised they haven't already...
I think thats because the hole in the levee is lessening the water pressure on the rest of the structure.

[samikeyp]

Yes, Mr. God-I-Fucking-Know-It-All. This isn't devastating because not EVERYONE was wiped out all at one time.

Worst case scenario is that NO is wiped out and hundreds to thousands of lives lost. And that's exactly what's happening.


Yeah, exactly.

I don't know what crawled up your ass, but I'm not making it a point to prove you wrong or anything like that.

Don't make me stop this car, you two.

And no, we are not there yet! :p

[Kori Ellis]

Maybe SpursWoman just didn't appreciate Manny's attitude of talking down to her in that post.

Anyway, in regards to worst case scenario - this may end of being just as bad property-damage wise as it would have been if N.O. had got hit directly with a 30ft wall of water. But I'd say that death-toll wise, this is not going to be worst case scenario. (Or at least I'd hope it's not)

But really, does it matter?? If your family member or friend dies, is it any worse or better that they died with 100 people, 1000 people, 10000 people or alone?

It's beyond sad. I was crying last night when I was watching the news when that black man, Mr. Jackson, was describing how he was trying to hold on to his wife's hand when they were on the roof but the house split. She was swept away. She told him to just take care of the kids and that he couldn't hold her any longer. The guy was simply devasted as he walked the streets with all his children and no where to go.

Whether people were stupid to not get out, couldn't get out, or whatever - this is now just about loss of human life to me.

God Bless them. I hope as everyone does whatever they can do to save as many as possible.

[j-6]

From earlier:


4:40 P.M. - (AP) State officials say they are working on plans to evaucate inmates from the Orleans Parish prison and the Jefferson Parish jail. Both facilities face a threat of flooding.

The state Corrections Department is trying to figure out how to transfer 4,000 inmates from the New Orleans jail and another 1,000 from the Jefferson Parish jail in Gretna.

The inmates would be moved to state prisons including the highest-security at Angola. Corrections spokesman Pam LaBorde says it's quite a logistical situation to accomplish.

How would you like to be some tourist that got picked up for drunk and disorderly, then in the midst of all this chaos get shipped to fucking Angola?

[CosmicCowboy]

Either that or drive a shit load of sheet piling.

yeah...either way the reaction time is just too long...

there a probably 50-75 dredges within a 100 miles west of New Orleans that would still be functional but they probably couldn't be set up and operational for 24 hours...it would take less than 12 hours to seal all the breaches if they put them all to work but even by then the bathtub will be full ...

[SpursWoman]

I think thats because the hole in the levee is lessening the water pressure on the rest of the structure.


Or it could have a rushing-the-stage effect and put even more pressure on the existing breech, eroding/breaking off it's sides making it bigger.

And from all the lore-type stories I've heard about the levee's, you'd think that between all of the beavers and dynamite there would be more than just two major breeches.

[timvp]

Man, this is getting worse by the moment. If they don't close the breach soon, New Orleans is going to be a lake. But if they don't rescue people now, they'll be no one to rescue by the team they get the water to stop flowing.

This just shows how bad it could have been. If the hurricane would have gone right thru the city, EVERYONE would be dead. The Superdome would be in pieces and the death toll would be measured by the hundred of thousands.

Rebuilding the city would be dumb. They dodged this bullet but one day it will hit them and the city will be done. New Orleans would just be Lake Pontchartrain South.

Build homes in cities to the north, give them to the homeless people for free and get them out of the damn bowl. And trust me, no one will complain about getting a free home that isn't in the New Orleans' ghetto.

New Orleans already is a city that was dying before this hurricane hit. The population was decreasing more and more as the years went on. If they decide this is the end, they'd be smart. If they don't, mother nature will make that decision for them before too long.

[SPARKY]

Maybe SpursWoman just didn't appreciate Manny's attitude of talking down to her in that post.

Anyway, in regards to worst case scenario - this may end of being just as bad property-damage wise as it would have been if N.O. had got hit directly with a 30ft wall of water. But I'd say that death-toll wise, this is not going to be worst case scenario. (Or at least I'd hope it's not)

But really, does it matter?? If your family member or friend dies, is it any worse or better that they died with 100 people, 1000 people, 10000 people or alone?

It's beyond sad. I was crying last night when I was watching the news when that black man, Mr. Jackson, was describing how he was trying to hold on to his wife's hand when they were on the roof but the house split. She was swept away. She told him to just take care of the kids and that he couldn't hold her any longer. The guy was simply devasted as he walked the streets with all his children and no where to go.

Whether people were stupid to not get out, couldn't get out, or whatever - this is now just about loss of human life to me.

God Bless them. I hope as everyone does whatever they can do to save as many as possible.


Oh come on. Everyone could've loaded up their Navigators and gotten out of there.

[samikeyp]

Maybe SpursWoman just didn't appreciate Manny's attitude of talking down to her in that post.

I wasn't choosing sides. I was trying to lighten the tension.

*backing away slowly* :)

[MannyIsGod]

Or it could have a rushing-the-stage effect and put even more pressure on the existing breech, eroding/breaking off it's sides making it bigger.

And from all the lore-type stories I've heard about the levee's, you'd think that between all of the beavers and dynamite there would be more than just two major breeches.
Yeah, you're right about making it bigger. That water has to be erroding it.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think thats because the hole in the levee is lessening the water pressure on the rest of the structure.

nope

sea level is sea level.

[samikeyp]

Are they earthen levees?

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe SpursWoman just didn't appreciate Manny's attitude of talking down to her in that post.

Maybe Manny wasn't talking down to anyone even though there was a veiled "I told you so" in the previous post.

Anyhow, Christy is good people so I offer the olive branch.....

footstool. :lol
http://www.motherloom.com/images/Olive-Branch-Footstool.jpg

[Shelly]

Maybe Manny wasn't talking down to anyone even though there was a veiled "I told you so" in the previous post.

Anyhow, Christy is good people so I offer the olive branch.....

footstool. :lol
http://www.motherloom.com/images/Olive-Branch-Footstool.jpg


Offer a Wheat Thin instead! :lol

[MannyIsGod]

nope

sea level is sea level.
True, but woudln't hte water flow torwards the path of least resistance, which would be the hole. If the water is flowing torwards that hole, that means it is putting less pressure on the rest?

Fuck, you're the one who graduated cumofsumyungguy in engineering, I'll just take your word for it.

[MannyIsGod]

Offer a Wheat Thin instead! :lol Fuck that, I'm not sharing. I don't even share with Jess.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and if you don't cry when you see the man who lost his wife on tv, you have no heart. That killed me.

[CosmicCowboy]

I just checked the tide tables...the water in the lake will be approximately 1.3 feet higher by midnight (than the picture we have been looking at which was taken at low tide) and it's only a two tide day...that is an incredible amount of additional water. They are truly fucked.

[baseline bum]

Oh, and if you don't cry when you see the man who lost his wife on tv, you have no heart. That killed me.

That was terrible to watch. All he could ask for was that his wife's body be found. I can't imagine seeing something like that happen to someone I was going to spend the rest of my life with.

[CosmicCowboy]

By the time the sun rises they won't have to be in any hurry to fix the levee. New Orleans will be part of Lake Ponchatrain.

[j-6]

By the time the sun rises they won't have to be in any hurry to fix the levee. New Orleans will be part of Lake Ponchatrain.

The ACoE has plenty of smart guys in it, I'm sure. So why the hell are they even trying to repair the levee if the lakes outcome from high tide is common knowledge?

[samikeyp]

Are they earthen levees

I am guessing yes?

[j-6]

From WWL's website:

Eyewitness News is asking any public official that wants to get their message out to call the west bank studio at 367-0842 or show up at the transmitter site. Public officials only please! Beginning Tuesday night, WWL-TV's hurricane coverage can be seen on Louisiana Public Broadcasting systems. In Baton Rouge on Cable Channel 11 and on digital channels around the rest of the state. There will be a hurricane special on all Louisiana public channels tonight at 9 p.m.

Not to steal timvp's line from earlier, but that's must-see TV. Hope I can find a good feed.

edit- I'm getting WWL again. Here's the link: http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

[timvp]

According to ESPN.com (:wtf), the Superdome is going to be evacuated.

Damn.

[samikeyp]

per ESPN.com:

BATON ROUGE, La. -- Rescuers in boats and helicopters struggled to reach hundreds of wet and bedraggled victims of Hurricane Katrina along the Gulf Coast on Tuesday, while New Orleans slipped deeper into crisis as water began rising in the streets because of a levee breaks.

In New Orleans, water began rising in the streets Tuesday morning, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the city and prompting the evacuation of hotels and hospitals. The water was also rising perilously inside New Orleans' Superdome, and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the tens of thousands of people now huddled there and other shelters would have to be evacuated as well.

"The situation is untenable," Blanco said at a news conference. "It's just heartbreaking."

Because of two levees that broke Tuesday, the city was rapidly filling with water, the governor said. She also said the power could be out for a long time, and the storm broke a major water main, leaving the city without drinkable water. Also, looting broke out in some neighborhoods.

"At first light, the devastation is greater than our worst fears. It's just totally overwhelming," Blanco said the morning after Katrina howled ashore with winds of 145 mph and engulfed thousands of homes in one of the most punishing storms on record in the United States.

At the Superdome, someone died after plunging from an upper level of the stadium, said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief. He said the person probably jumped.

National Guardsmen brought in people from outlying areas to the Superdome in the backs of big 2½-ton Army trucks earlier Tuesday. Louisiana's wildlife enforcement department also brought people in on the backs of their pickups. Some were wet, some were in wheelchairs, some were holding babies and nothing else.

Also, the rising water forced one New Orleans hospital to move patients to the Superdome, and prompted the staff of New Orleans' Times-Picayune newspaper to abandon its offices, authorities said. Hotels were evacuated as well as the water kept rising.

Downtown streets that were relatively clear in the hours after the storm were filled with 1 to 1½ feet of water Tuesday morning. Water was knee-deep around the Superdome. Canal Street was literally a canal. Water lapped at the edge of the French Quarter. Clumps of red ants floated in the gasoline-fouled waters downtown.

"It's a very slow rise, and it will remain so until we plug that breach. I think we can get it stabilized in a few hours," Ebbert said.

New Orleans lies mostly below sea level and is protected by a network of pumps, canals and levees. Officials began using helicopters to drop 3,000-pound sandbags onto one of the levees, hoping to close the breach.

All day, rescuers were also seen using helicopters to drop lifelines to victims and pluck them from the roofs of homes cut off by floodwaters. The Coast Guard said it rescued some 1,200 people.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said hundreds, if not thousands, of people may still be stuck on roofs and in attics, and so rescue boats were bypassing the dead.

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said. "They're just pushing them on the side."

Tens of thousands of people will need shelter for weeks if not months, said Mike Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. And once the floodwaters go down, "it's going to be incredibly dangerous" because of structural damage to homes, diseases from animal carcasses and chemicals in homes, he said.

An estimated 40,000 people were in American Red Cross shelters along the Gulf Coast.

Officials warned people against trying to return to their homes, saying that would only interfere with the rescue and recovery efforts.

Looting broke out in Biloxi and in New Orleans, in some cases in full view of police and National Guardsmen. On New Orleans' Canal Street, the main thoroughfare in the central business district, looters sloshed through hip-deep water and ripped open the steel gates on the front of several clothing and jewelry stores.

As for the death toll in Louisiana, Blanco said only "We have no counts whatsoever, but we know many lives have been lost."

[j-6]

WWL Blog update:

5:49 P.M. - (AP) WASHINGTON -- The Navy is sending three ships to the Gulf Coast with water and other supplies for those hit by Hurricane Katrina, but officials are urging service members not to try to return to their military bases in New Orleans.

5:46 P.M. - Four confirmed dead in St. Tammany. One died in traffic accident, one died after he stayed and a tree fell and trapped him in his home. Two others died by unknown reasons.

[CosmicCowboy]

The ACoE has plenty of smart guys in it, I'm sure. So why the hell are they even trying to repair the levee if the lakes outcome from high tide is common knowledge?

you obviously havent dealt with the Army Corp of Engineers. They are some of the dumbest fuckers with engineering degrees on the face of the earth.

they are "trying" to repair the levee so that it looks like they "tried".

Those choppers would be better used trying to rescue survivors.

You can call me a message board quarterback if you want, but from what I am seeing I am telling you that when you wake up in the morning it will be high tide and New Orleans will be under water and you will watch tide draining out all day...

[Jelly]

The ACoE has plenty of smart guys in it, I'm sure. So why the hell are they even trying to repair the levee if the lakes outcome from high tide is common knowledge?

screw the Army Corps of Engineers. They obviously don't know what the hell they are doing. Send in the Spurstalk Armchair Warriors to sort all this shit out. Without SAW, these people are surely fucked.

[j-6]

you obviously havent dealt with the Army Corp of Engineers. They are some of the dumbest fuckers with engineering degrees on the face of the earth.

they are "trying" to repair the levee so that it looks like they "tried".

Those choppers would be better used trying to rescue survivors.

You can call me a message board quarterback if you want, but from what I am seeing I am telling you that when you wake up in the morning it will be high tide and New Orleans will be under water and you will watch tide draining out all day...


I didn't think dumb fuckers were allowed to hold engineering degrees, but I'll take your word for this one. And I completely agree with both your preferred usage of their helicopters and what the city will look like come Wednesday morning.

[Shelly]

I know it's in bad taste, but damn, I cannot get 'When the Levee Breaks' out of my head.

So sad.

[timvp]

Aren't there two breaches now? I'd expect more and more as the pressure of the water takes its toll.

[Jelly]

I know it's in bad taste, but damn, I cannot get 'When the Levee Breaks' out of my head.

So sad.

I can't get Drove my chevy to the levy, bu the levy was dry out of my head.

[SpursWoman]

Oh, and if you don't cry when you see the man who lost his wife on tv, you have no heart. That killed me.


I keep avoiding the link, I know I'll cry.




And I have a foot-stool very similar to that under my desk at home and I love it....good choice. :lol

[Ginofan]

So the tide will affect the levees correct? Anyone know what time high tide is?

[Ginofan]

I keep avoiding the link, I know I'll cry.

I just finished watching it, I'm hardly a crier and even I had tears. The chick interviewing that man was crying while trying to ask him more questions. Pretty damn heartbreaking.

[CosmicCowboy]

FEMA just needs to pay everyone off and abandon New Orleans.

Want to know what your visual will be tomorrow night on the news?

Bodies floating out the breaches to sea as the tide goes out.

[CosmicCowboy]

So the tide will affect the levees correct? Anyone know what time high tide is?

Approximately 7am. It will be at least 1.6 feet higher than what they are showing on the news now. Low tide is in about an hour.

[boutons]

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said.
"They're just pushing them on the side."

=======================

damn, scenes from hell.

And shrub, 36 hours after the hurricane, a REAL Weapon of Mass Destruction, passed, is .. uh .. "monitoring" the situation. perfect, just fucking perfect leadership.

Hyped as the (bogus) "war president", he, in fact, can't preside over a real disaster in his own backyard.

It's the playoffs, shrub, thanks for not showing up.

What angles, what photo-ops, is Rove calculating for his puppet shrub? Another flight suit landing, a hard-hat, with a banana stuffed in his crotch?

[SpursWoman]

Could you please take your hate to the appropriate forum?

[j-6]

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said.
"They're just pushing them on the side."

=======================

damn, scenes from hell.

And shrub, 36 hours after the hurricane, a REAL Weapon of Mass Destruction, passed, is .. uh .. "monitoring" the situation. perfect, just fucking perfect leadership.

Hyped as the (bogus) "war president", he, in fact, can't preside over a real disaster in his own backyard.

It's the playoffs, shrub, thanks for not showing up.

What angles, what photo-ops, is Rove calculating for his puppet shrub? Another flight suit landing, a hard-hat, with a banana stuffed in his crotch?

Dude, take that shit elsewhere.

[timvp]

Dubya couldn't please everyone even if he was swimming in New Orleans plucking small children out of houses.

[CosmicCowboy]

Oh fuck you Boutons. Pissant.

This disaster has been in the making for a hundred years.

It's a stupid ass place to have a city. It's history. It's done.

damn...sure had some good times there but hopefully he will have the balls to keep them from rebuilding there.

Gore sure wouldn't...

[j-6]

WWL blog update:

6:05 P.M. - Thomas: Saw at least three dead bodies during his rescues. Whole families were among those rescued.

6:04 P.M. - Thomas: Most sobering moment - being told to leave the dead bodies, because there are people to rescue.

6:03 P.M. - N.O. Councilman Oliver Thomas: "What you see on TV, you have no idea what the level of devastation and frustration is on the street."

5:57 P.M. - Jeff Parish schools chief Dianne Roussel says two months is probably "optimistic" to get schools back and functioning.

[ObiwanGinobili]

6:05 P.M. - Thomas: Saw at least three dead bodies during his rescues. Whole families were among those rescued.


6:04 P.M. - Thomas: Most sobering moment - being told to leave the dead bodies, because there are people to rescue.


6:03 P.M. - N.O. Councilman Oliver Thomas: "What you see on TV, you have no idea what the level of devastation and frustration is on the street."

[ObiwanGinobili]

j-6 you are like lightning

[Horry For 3!]

My friend who lives in New Orleans, lost everything she said. The thing that she cared about the most was the pictures of her and her sister. :depressed

[xrayzebra]

Does anyone know of anyone in the Gulfport area with a working computer. A
woman I know is trying to find out about her son and his family in the
Gulfport area. I know most communications are down, but just punting, hoping
for something.....thanks

[Jelly]

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said.
"They're just pushing them on the side."

=======================

damn, scenes from hell.

And shrub, 36 hours after the hurricane, a REAL Weapon of Mass Destruction, passed, is .. uh .. "monitoring" the situation. perfect, just fucking perfect leadership.

Hyped as the (bogus) "war president", he, in fact, can't preside over a real disaster in his own backyard.

It's the playoffs, shrub, thanks for not showing up.

What angles, what photo-ops, is Rove calculating for his puppet shrub? Another flight suit landing, a hard-hat, with a banana stuffed in his crotch?

Boutouns, seriously, what the hell would a presidential visit help at this time. Nothing. In fact, it would REALLY get in the way. The local and state authorities have their plates full, they are rolling their sleeves up...they do NOT need the biggest bigwig in the world in their midst right now.
Come on, Boutons, drop the vitriolic Bush hate for just one thread.

[ObiwanGinobili]

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said.
"They're just pushing them on the side."

=======================

damn, scenes from hell.

And shrub, 36 hours after the hurricane, a REAL Weapon of Mass Destruction, passed, is .. uh .. "monitoring" the situation. perfect, just fucking perfect leadership.

Hyped as the (bogus) "war president", he, in fact, can't preside over a real disaster in his own backyard.

It's the playoffs, shrub, thanks for not showing up.

What angles, what photo-ops, is Rove calculating for his puppet shrub? Another flight suit landing, a hard-hat, with a banana stuffed in his crotch?

theres a political forum for that shit. incase you got lost, this ain't it.

[j-6]

damn...sure had some good times there but hopefully he will have the balls to keep them from rebuilding there.

Gore sure wouldn't...

I sure as hell hope Bush can convince the leadership of Louisiana (Nagin and Blanco are both Democrats) not to rebuild there. Who's decision is this, anyway?

[Ginofan]

If they do decide to rebuild, they need to wait until they can rebuild the coastline...somehow get the sediments to be deposited there again to keep building new land.

[Horry For 3!]

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said.
"They're just pushing them on the side."

=======================

damn, scenes from hell.

And shrub, 36 hours after the hurricane, a REAL Weapon of Mass Destruction, passed, is .. uh .. "monitoring" the situation. perfect, just fucking perfect leadership.

Hyped as the (bogus) "war president", he, in fact, can't preside over a real disaster in his own backyard.

It's the playoffs, shrub, thanks for not showing up.

What angles, what photo-ops, is Rove calculating for his puppet shrub? Another flight suit landing, a hard-hat, with a banana stuffed in his crotch?
:rolleyes

[ObiwanGinobili]

If they do decide to rebuild, they need to wait until they can rebuild the coastline...somehow get the sediments to be deposited there again to keep building new land.


apparently there has been a proposal up to rebuild the louisianna coast line for years now.. but people have ignored it and it hasn't gotton anywhere....
may be they will now.
I'll try to find the link.

edit to add: if they had done it, they wouldn't be facing this current situation.

[j-6]

I take back all the negative shit I said about Joe Horn and his Sharpie fetish. Plenty of other remarkable stories at the link below.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina.emails/index.html

There was a Saint in New Orleans during the wrath of Hurricane Katrina and his name is Joe Horn, pro-football player for the New Orleans Saints. As I sat in my room at the Hilton Riverside, New Orleans, on Saturday two days before Katrina was scheduled to directly hit New Orleans, I weeped while I phoned home to North Carolina, to speak with my mother and my children.

It had been confirmed that my flight was canceled along with that of my husband and 50 others. We all were frantically trying to evacuate. I sobbed as I was told by each rental car company that there were no cars available. I thought I was trapped.

But, unbeknownst to me my mother had placed a call to Joe Horn to see if he could help. I hadn't spoken to him in over 20 years. Joe was a friend of my sister's in high school and had always kept in touch with my mother. This wonderful man personally came to pick up my husband and I and arranged for his driver to drive us from New Orleans to Atlanta, Georgia, at his expense, at which point we could fly on to Fayetteville, North Carolina. I'm still amazed at his generosity and I will always be grateful to him. There is truly a saint in New Orleans!! Thank you, Joe Horn. You're my hero!!

Aleta Quinones
Fayetteville, North Carolina

[Ginofan]

apparently there has been a proposal up to rebuild the louisianna coast line for years now.. but people have ignored it and it hasn't gotton anywhere....
may be they will now.
I'll try to find the link.

edit to add: if they had done it, they wouldn't be facing this current situation.

Yeah, it sounds pretty shitty to say this, but maybe who ever is in charge of that type of thing needed something like this disaster to happen...to finally realize that rebuilding the coastline and such is long overdue.

[Horry For 3!]

I take back all the negative shit I said about Joe Horn and his Sharpie fetish. Plenty of other remarkable stories at the link below.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina.emails/index.html

There was a Saint in New Orleans during the wrath of Hurricane Katrina and his name is Joe Horn, pro-football player for the New Orleans Saints. As I sat in my room at the Hilton Riverside, New Orleans, on Saturday two days before Katrina was scheduled to directly hit New Orleans, I weeped while I phoned home to North Carolina, to speak with my mother and my children.

It had been confirmed that my flight was canceled along with that of my husband and 50 others. We all were frantically trying to evacuate. I sobbed as I was told by each rental car company that there were no cars available. I thought I was trapped.

But, unbeknownst to me my mother had placed a call to Joe Horn to see if he could help. I hadn't spoken to him in over 20 years. Joe was a friend of my sister's in high school and had always kept in touch with my mother. This wonderful man personally came to pick up my husband and I and arranged for his driver to drive us from New Orleans to Atlanta, Georgia, at his expense, at which point we could fly on to Fayetteville, North Carolina. I'm still amazed at his generosity and I will always be grateful to him. There is truly a saint in New Orleans!! Thank you, Joe Horn. You're my hero!!

Aleta Quinones
Fayetteville, North Carolina
That is how it should be. :tu

[j-6]

Riot and hostage taking at the Orleans Parish jail according to WWL's feed.

[j-6]

Effot to sandbag at the breach failed, about to overload the pumping house at 17th st canal. East bank will rise 3 feet, 12-15 feet of flood water incoming.

[ObiwanGinobili]

see below . :oops

[ObiwanGinobili]

http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/John_Neely_Kennedy_Environment.htm

and here's a news story about it...
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050330-051827-9045r.htm





By Phil Magers
United Press International


Two of Louisiana's top political leaders Wednesday proposed legislation to push ahead with restoration of the state's vanishing wetlands, but they might not be on the same page.


Sen. David Vitter, R-La., unveiled a five-bill package that he said would avoid pitfalls of past campaigns, but apparently not in coordination with Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco.

"Louisiana loses a football field of land every 38 minutes -- and the clock never stops ticking," the senator said in an announcement of his comprehensive package.

Vitter said his legislation is an action plan, not just another study of the problem that Louisiana politicians have argued for years should be a concern for the whole nation.

Meanwhile, Blanco was proposing a state constitutional amendment that would assure Congress that any new federal oil and gas royalties would be used for coastal restoration.

Blanco called Vitter's proposals a "good beginning" but said she wanted to examine them in greater detail. She said her office had received a summary by fax Wednesday.

"I will probably have some suggestions to strengthen his proposals," she said.

Blanco called it "absolutely critical" for members of the congressional delegation to work with each other and the state on the long-sought plan to rebuild the coastline.

The outflow of the Mississippi River created the largest expanse of wetlands in North America, but years of oil and gas production, river-control measures and hurricanes have eroded 1,900 square miles of land.

It's a national issue because the marshes offer habitat for migratory waterfowl, the fishery off the coast produces 30 percent of the nation's commercial catch, and more than 18 percent of the nation's oil and gas comes from the coast.

The restoration of the coast, where more than 2 million people live, is also important to the oil industry. It would protect important infrastructure like Port Fourchon, a major access point for oil and gas that goes across the nation.

The Louisiana restoration campaign originally sought $14 billion in federal money over 20 years, but federal budget cutters forced supporters to scale back. Congress has failed to act on recent bills, and Vitter wants to press ahead.

"I have carefully put together this action plan to avoid past pitfalls that kept legislative solutions for saving Louisiana's coast from passing, and through my service on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, and the Senate Commerce Committee, I'll work to shepherd these bills through," he said. "This is a crucial issue to Louisiana, and to the nation."

One of the bills, The Comprehensive Ecosystem and Security Enhancement Act, would set up a state-federal framework for long-term restoration, including the authorization of $1.9 billion in federal money to get the ball rolling in the next few years. It would ensure that the project is operated in a cost-effective manner, the senator said.

A multitask force led by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers would be created, and $100 million would be provided for a science and technology program to ensure that taxpayer money is spent only on proven restoration methods.

Another $100 million would be authorized to coordinate the re-use of earth dredged from the bottom of the Mississippi River and other Louisiana waterways to help rebuild the coastline under the supervision of the Corps of Engineers.

Another measure in Vitter's package would address an issue Blanco and the state's congressional delegation have pressed for years as the answer to long-term funding of the restoration project: a more equitable share of royalties from oil and gas production.

Currently, the federal government keeps all but a tiny portion of the royalties from offshore Louisiana oil and gas production. Three years ago the federal government collected more than $5 billion in royalty receipts, but Louisiana got only about $30 million of it, or roughly 1 percent.

In contrast, inland states with federal lands get 50 percent of the royalties from oil and gas production on those lands. Louisiana wants a bigger share of the royalties, but it's been a tough sell in Washington because of tough fiscal times.

Blanco's constitutional amendment would require that new offshore royalties go into a trust fund dedicated to coastal restoration, apparently a move to allay fears of some members of Congress that it might be used for other purposes.

The amendment would have to be approved by the Legislature, which goes into session April 25. If approved, it would go before Louisiana voters in the fall of next year.

Vitter also wants to rectify another disparity in the collection of royalties that he said punishes Louisiana and two neighboring states. They can't collect as much in royalties as Texas and Florida because they have more extended offshore boundaries.

The boundaries of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama extend 3 miles out in the Gulf, while Texas and Florida's boundaries extend 9 miles. Under a 1952 law, the boundaries were based on whether a state could prove claims to those waters existed prior to their admission to the union.

Vitter said his bill would eliminate "this unfairness" by making all the boundaries 9 miles. The extension of the boundaries would mean from $500 million to $1 billion in additional royalties for Louisiana, he said.

Other measures in the package would encourage alternative energy uses of federal offshore waters for such projects as wind power, with a royalty-sharing mechanism for states, and the coordination and sharing of resources by federal agencies working on the project.

Earlier this year, the Army Corps of Engineers completed a 15-month study that supporters of the coastal restoration plan believe will help make the case to Congress. It offers a detailed feasibility study on the first critical projects of the restoration project.

[SpursWoman]

Effot to sandbag at the breach failed, about to overload the pumping house at 17th st canal. East bank will rise 3 feet, 12-15 feet of flood water incoming.



what are you watching? (or reading?)

[Ginofan]

Effot to sandbag at the breach failed, about to overload the pumping house at 17th st canal. East bank will rise 3 feet, 12-15 feet of flood water incoming.

Good grief! The words "getting worse and worse" just don't cover it anymore.

[j-6]

what are you watching? (or reading?)

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

[Ginofan]

Thanks Obiwan, I doubt the Gov. can ignore the pleas of this project now.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, it sounds pretty shitty to say this, but maybe who ever is in charge of that type of thing needed something like this disaster to happen...to finally realize that rebuilding the coastline and such is long overdue.

Or maybe it's time to realize that this is a changing world and we a humans do what we have done for ten thousand years.

Adapt...

There are some things in nature you can't plan for and control and hurricanes are one of them.

FEMA is actually to blame for part of it. Take the federal insurance element out of the equation.

You want to build here? You want to plunk your money down knowing there is no insurance if you get wiped out by a hurricane? Fine...

we will rescue your stupid ass but we sure won't subsidize you rebuilding to live here again...

[ObiwanGinobili]

http://www.americaswetland.com/article.cfm?id=253&cateid=3&pageid=3&cid=18

another good link on rebuild issue.

[Jelly]

There are some heartwarming stories and more evidence of the goodness of people.
Anderson Cooper is about to do a story about people trying to help a beached seal. He is stranded on pavement and they are bringing water to it.
It also touched me to see so many people saving animals and trying to stay alive and wading through the water but still holding onto their pets even though they could get by much easier if they just let them go.

[j-6]

They were only using one helicopter in the efforts to sandbag the breach, and they spent more time refueling the chopper than actually dropping sandbags.

Yuck, people are tying corpes to the poles when they see them floating around.

[j-6]

My god, look at all the people they rescued off of Airline Freeway just today.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, Mississippi says over 100 confirmed dead.

[j-6]

WWL blog update:

6:41 P.M. - Efforts to stop the levee break at the 17th Street Canal have ended unsuccessfully and the water is expected to soon overwhelm the pumps in that area, allowing water to pour into the east bank of Metairie and Orleans to an expected height of 12-15 feet.

[Jelly]

They were only using one helicopter in the efforts to sandbag the breach, and they spent more time refueling the chopper than actually dropping sandbags.

Yuck, people are tying corpes to the poles when they see them floating around.

where are you guys getting this stuff? I don't see any of this.

[j-6]

where are you guys getting this stuff? I don't see any of this.


The reporter at WWL's transmitter in Gretna said all that, including the story about the 17th St Canal.

Here's the link:

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

6:41 P.M. - Efforts to stop the levee break at the 17th Street Canal have ended unsuccessfully and the water is expected to soon overwhelm the pumps in that area, allowing water to pour into the east bank of Metairie and Orleans to an expected height of 12-15 feet.

Looks like this guy was right... :depressed

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/images/kyagb.jpg

When the computer models showed Walter Maestri what would happen after a hurricane hit New Orleans, he wrote big letters on the map: "KYAGB—kiss your ass good bye." Photo: William Brangham/NOW with Bill Moyers

[Horry For 3!]

My friend just said shes never going back to New Orleans that she has lost everything that there is no point. She is going to try to find a job in Miami and live there with her mom for now.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Mayor says it won't be 12-15 ft of water, only 9 in all of New Orleans.

Well, that's good news.

[j-6]

The reporter asked the engineer in charge of filling the breach how long it would take to fill it and the engineer had no answer.

Guess CosmicCowboy was right.

[SpursWoman]

My friend just said shes never going back to New Orleans that she has lost everything that there is no point. She is going to try to find a job in Miami and live there with her mom for now.

After going through this and the fact that her mom just got her power back from Katrina's first, does she really think that's a safer alternative? :wow


In any case, the best of luck to her. :)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The reporter asked the engineer in charge of filling the breach how long it would take to fill it and the engineer had no answer.

Guess CosmicCowboy was right.

Not to discount CC, but it was pretty damn obvious looking at that huge ass gap in the levy that the city was going to become part of Pontchartraine before they could plug that gap.

Watch the faces of the people on that press conference the governor was giving (particularly the younger girl to her right). Those people know the city of New Orleans is fucked.

Whoever said we'd wake up tomorrow to NO as part of the lake pretty much hit it on the head.

[AlamoSpursFan]

My friend just said shes never going back to New Orleans that she has lost everything that there is no point. She is going to try to find a job in Miami and live there with her mom for now.

There's an old saying about a frying pan and a fire that comes to mind right about now...

[timvp]

My friend just said shes never going back to New Orleans that she has lost everything that there is no point. She is going to try to find a job in Miami and live there with her mom for now.

You might want to tell your friend that Miami is probably the next big city to go.

Middle America is her friend.

[exstatic]

I think as the weeks drag into months, a LOT of people won't be going back.

[j-6]

Not to discount CC, but it was pretty damn obvious looking at that huge ass gap in the levy that the city was going to become part of Pontchartraine before they could plug that gap.

Watch the faces of the people on that press conference the governor was giving (particularly the younger girl to her right). Those people know the city of New Orleans is fucked.

Whoever said we'd wake up tomorrow to NO as part of the lake pretty much hit it on the head.


Hell, I'm not discounting him. Now that we know they only used one helicopter in the efforts, maybe it was a symbolic gesture. Hell, I don't know. What I do know is that if they knew they couldn't fill the breach, they should have used that helicopter to save people, like all the citizens in their personal fishing boats were doing.

I'm not MMQB'ing, but I thought that breach was as obviously unsalvagable as you do. And every fucking resource available oughta be going into getting the refugees the fuck outta there.

[j-6]

****ALL RESIDENTS ON THE EAST BANK OF ORLEANS AND JEFFERSON REMAINING IN THE METRO AREA ARE BEING TOLD TO EVACUATE AS EFFORTS TO SANDBAG THE LEVEE BREAK HAVE ENDED. THE PUMPS IN THAT AREA ARE EXPECTED TO FAIL SOON AND 9 FEET OF WATER IS EXPECTED IN THE ENTIRE EAST BANK. WITHIN THE NEXT 12-15 HOURS****

[timvp]

Am I missing something or with the abandoment of trying to fix the breach, is the bowl just going to fill up? Or is does this just effect a certain part of town?

[Horry For 3!]

You might want to tell your friend that Miami is probably the next big city to go.

Middle America is her friend.
I told her that she should of came here to stay with me but that means she'd be here for months :lol

[Jelly]

some misinformation is being posted here. I just heard on CNN that the Superdome had 12K last night, has 30K right now and that they have not started evacuating yet. But some of you are saying that 60K are holed up in the Superdome. I'm not positive but I'm going with the CNN estimate.

[j-6]

some misinformation is being posted here. I just heard on CNN that the Superdome had 12K last night, has 30K right now and that they have not started evacuating yet. But some of you are saying that 60K are holed up in the Superdome. I'm not positive but I'm going with the CNN estimate.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
4:21 P.M. - WWL-TV Reporter quotes officials as saying there may now be 60,000 people in the Superdome and that more people are still being urged to go there.

[SpursWoman]

You might want to tell your friend that Miami is probably the next big city to go.

Middle America is her friend.


San Antonio is where it's at. I can't think of anywhere else that doesn't suffer majorly from hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires or mud slides.

The humidity sucks, but that's about it. :)

[j-6]

WWL Blog update:

6:39 P.M. - JACKSON, Miss. (AP) -- Senator Trent Lott is urging President Bush to visit Mississippi in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, telling the president -- quote -- "the people of Mississippi are flat on their backs. They're going to need your help."

[Ginofan]

Okay hijacking cars? WTF where the hell are you gonna go if by chance you find an unflooded road, how are you gonna drive without gas? The lack of intelligence in some people is pretty amazing.

[Clandestino]

they said a wal-mart opened its doors and let people take anything they wanted.. pretty cool

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Thinking last ditch about the levee, find anything they can - shipping containers, whatever, and start sinking those suckers in the gap.

Yeah, last ditch I know, but shit - you're talking about the whole city flooding.

[timvp]

San Antonio is where it's at. I can't think of anywhere else that doesn't suffer majorly from hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires or mud slides.

The humidity sucks, but that's about it. :)

Yeah, I think all we got is some weak flooding and some minor earthquakes every 50 years.

Then again, you have to suffer thru nine months of summer.

:smokin

[ObiwanGinobili]

some misinformation is being posted here. I just heard on CNN that the Superdome had 12K last night, has 30K right now and that they have not started evacuating yet. But some of you are saying that 60K are holed up in the Superdome. I'm not positive but I'm going with the CNN estimate.


i think the 60k figure is from Fox.. they also have a higher confirmed death toll # (80 in one county of MISS vs. 50-80 for whole gulf coast on CNN)

[timvp]

they said a wal-mart opened its doors and let people take anything they wanted.. pretty cool

That's awesome. It's about time.

Wal-Mart rules.

[Kori Ellis]

they said a wal-mart opened its doors and let people take anything they wanted.. pretty cool

Damn. I just said 15 minutes ago that's what i would do if I had a store. Manny - you can't hate Wal-Mart as much now :)

[Clandestino]

i think 60k is what it can hold, not how many are there

[timvp]

Thinking last ditch about the levee, find anything they can - shipping containers, whatever, and start sinking those suckers in the gap.

Yeah, last ditch I know, but shit - you're talking about the whole city flooding.

So would that breach flood the whole city or just a certain section?

[SpursWoman]

they said a wal-mart opened its doors and let people take anything they wanted.. pretty cool


That's awesome!

I hope the people are going for the food, drinks and medicines, though. :fro

[Ginofan]

i think 60k is what it can hold, not how many are there

I heard a figure of 80,000 as far as capacity goes.

Edit: Nevermind, found the specs: link (http://www.answers.com/topic/louisiana-superdome)

The Superdome has a listed maximum football seating capacity of 72,003(expanded) or 69,703(not expanded), a maximum basketball seating capacity of 55,675, and a maximum baseball capacity of 63,525; however, published attendance figures from events such as the Sugar Bowl have exceeded 79,000.

[SpursWoman]

i think 60k is what it can hold, not how many are there


it holds 77K, but I don't know how much or if the bottom part is flooded...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

LJ, the Pontchartain breach at 17th and Canal is the one that has made downtown/French Quarter/Superdome go from dry to flooding.

The Superdome streets were dry yesterday evening, now they have 3 feet of water around the Superdome on all sides.

[SpursWoman]

In other words, the whole bowl is basically going to fill up. :(

[j-6]

In 12-15 hours the water will be three feet over sea level, or nine feet greater overall at the east bank of Metairie and Orleans according to Mayor Nagin.

Figured I'd throw that correction out there.

[Kori Ellis]

NEW YORK -- The NBA players' association said Tuesday it is launching an immediate effort to assist in the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

"We are in the process of contacting every player in the league to solicit their support and ideas on how we can make a difference as quickly as possible," said union president Antonio Davis of the Chicago Bulls.

The union will help deliver supplies to the hardest hit areas.

"We want to mobilize immediately and provide as much assistance as possible to the tens of thousands of people who find themselves in life threatening situations as a result of this natural disaster," executive director Bill Hunter said. "Our goal is to collectively raise and contribute at least $1 million in aid to the victims."

Bulls guard Chris Duhon, from Slidell, La., said he would work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency to try to get financial support, clothing and food.

"This tragic event has destroyed the homes and lives of many people -- people I know," Duhon said. "Many towns are experiencing this devastation and have yet to determine what, if any, buildings will be saved. We have to do something to help ease this burden."

[ObiwanGinobili]

they said a wal-mart opened its doors and let people take anything they wanted.. pretty cool


now thats awesome!!

[Clandestino]

i bet shaq gives the largest donation out of the players

[Ginofan]

That's awesome to hear Kori, hopefully they get way more than $1 million.

[timvp]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that looting is the VERY LEAST of New Orleans' problems. It's easy to sit in San Antonio and say looters should be shot or whatever, but NO is a war zone right now. No one here can imagine how bad it is.

So if some people want to steal some stuff from Best Buy or whatever, let them. At this point, WTF cares? These people have nothing. Let them take the TVs or whatever and if they get to a city with electricity and they can pawn it, more power to them. Everything in that city is going to get destroyed if the water keeps raising.

The only thing that should be off limits is houses. But stores should be fair game. These people are starving, homeless and with no where to go. Bashing them for looting businesses that will be under water in a couple days is laughable.

Concentrate on saving who you can and making people GTFO. If some peeps want a couple CDs, or jeans or whatever, let them have it.

[Kori Ellis]

That's awesome to hear Kori, hopefully they get way more than $1 million.

I'm sure they will. Some players were very generous in the Tsunami relief efforts; I'm sure this will be the same.

[SpursWoman]

I'm sure they will. Some players were very generous in the Tsunami relief efforts; I'm sure this will be the same.


Funny....I was driving home from work today and saw that the MegaMillions was up to $111 millon. I thought it'd be really awesome to win that and donate significantly to the efforts....since they won't take children's clothes. :flipoff :lol

So I bought a ticket. :spin

[j-6]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that looting is the VERY LEAST of New Orleans' problems. It's easy to sit in San Antonio and say looters should be shot or whatever, but NO is a war zone right now. No one here can imagine how bad it is.

So if some people want to steal some stuff from Best Buy or whatever, let them. At this point, WTF cares? These people have nothing. Let them take the TVs or whatever and if they get to a city with electricity and they can pawn it, more power to them. Everything in that city is going to get destroyed if the water keeps raising.

The only thing that should be off limits is houses. But stores should be fair game. These people are starving, homeless and with no where to go. Bashing them for looting businesses that will be under water in a couple days is laughable.

Concentrate on saving who you can and making people GTFO. If some peeps want a couple CDs, or jeans or whatever, let them have it.

At this point, I think those that are looting better steal only what they can put in their pockets, becuase when the rescue boat shows up they ain't going to help you load your new electronic toys.

Those concerned more with stealing TV's and whatnot instead of escaping the flood will probably wind up dead by morning, anyway.

[Clandestino]

if it were my house, i'd let them take my shit.. screw it.. most stuff will have to be thrown away anyway. you can't go back for like 2 months.. by then they places will all be fucked with ants, bugs, animals, etc..

[ObiwanGinobili]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that looting is the VERY LEAST of New Orleans' problems. It's easy to sit in San Antonio and say looters should be shot or whatever, but NO is a war zone right now. No one here can imagine how bad it is.

So if some people want to steal some stuff from Best Buy or whatever, let them. At this point, WTF cares? These people have nothing. Let them take the TVs or whatever and if they get to a city with electricity and they can pawn it, more power to them. Everything in that city is going to get destroyed if the water keeps raising.

The only thing that should be off limits is houses. But stores should be fair game. These people are starving, homeless and with no where to go. Bashing them for looting businesses that will be under water in a couple days is laughable.

Concentrate on saving who you can and making people GTFO. If some peeps want a couple CDs, or jeans or whatever, let them have it.


hell I'm starting to feel the same way myself...especilaly now that all efforts to repair the levy's have failed and are called off.
fuck let 'em have it.

I'd personally be going for ipods, smaller, can haul more of the mat a time. pack those suckers up and if i get to baton rouge or someplace else sell em./ get some food$ , but a new pair of undies......

[timvp]

At this point, I think those that are looting better steal only what they can put in their pockets, becuase when the rescue boat shows up they ain't going to help you load your new electronic toys.

Those concerned more with stealing TV's and whatnot instead of escaping the flood will probably wind up dead by morning, anyway.

True but using man power to arrest them or try to stop them is dumb. Instead, concentrate on saving people trapped in attics.

The news is busy condemning looters ... which should be the least of anyones worries.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

1 million dollars collectively? Gee, that's some sacrifice by the NBA players. :rolleyes

You want to impress me? Have ALL the players in the league donate their paycheck for the year.

[Samr]

Next time I think I want something, the NOLA disaster is going to pick at my conscience.

Damnit!

[timvp]

1 million dollars collectively? Gee, that's some sacrifice by the NBA players. :rolleyes

You want to impress me? Have ALL the players in the league donate their paycheck for the year.

Damn, you must be hard to impress :lol

But if you donate your whole salary first, maybe you can start a trend.

:)

[Ginofan]

True but using man power to arrest them or try to stop them is dumb. Instead, concentrate on saving people trapped in attics.

The news is busy condemning looters ... which should be the least of anyones worries.

True...the only thing I have a problem with is the looters that are using weapons against other people trying to loot. It was reported earlier on CNN that there were multiple shootings involved in the looting.

[Vashner]

3 mega choppers from the base that's moving... (on the base close list)..
are being sent..

You can see these fly over Corpus and Port Aransas all the time. they are Awesome..
http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=27479

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_050829-N-8154G-063.jpg http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_050829-N-8154G-063.jpg

[j-6]

True but using man power to arrest them or try to stop them is dumb. Instead, concentrate on saving people trapped in attics.

The news is busy condemning looters ... which should be the least of anyones worries.


I don't think that they are actively looking for looters, at least that's what it sounded like the JP sheriff was saying. It's more along the lines of if they come across them during a rescue or a patrol.

[SpursWoman]

Damn, you must be hard to impress :lol

But if you donate your whole salary first, maybe you can start a trend.

:)



I would...but then I'd lose my house and have to go to the bottom of the receiving list. :oops

Like the lady from the RedCross just said...some people are donating a million, some just $5. Every penny helps.

I was just sitting here looking at my CPS bill trying to figure out how much I can afford to part with. :fro

[Jelly]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that looting is the VERY LEAST of New Orleans' problems. It's easy to sit in San Antonio and say looters should be shot or whatever, but NO is a war zone right now. No one here can imagine how bad it is.

So if some people want to steal some stuff from Best Buy or whatever, let them. At this point, WTF cares? These people have nothing. Let them take the TVs or whatever and if they get to a city with electricity and they can pawn it, more power to them. Everything in that city is going to get destroyed if the water keeps raising.

The only thing that should be off limits is houses. But stores should be fair game. These people are starving, homeless and with no where to go. Bashing them for looting businesses that will be under water in a couple days is laughable.

Concentrate on saving who you can and making people GTFO. If some peeps want a couple CDs, or jeans or whatever, let them have it.

I disagree. One of the biggest mistakes we made in Baghdad was turn a blind eye to looting. The result was total chaos and anarchy and we never really gained control again. I say stop the looting. In a crisis like this everything needs to be done to maintain law and order. We don't want New Orleans to descend into hell like Baghdad.

[Kori Ellis]

We don't want New Orleans to descend into hell like Baghdad.

It will be Atlantis in 24 hours. I don't think anyone should care much about looting unless someone's life is being endangered by a looter.

[timvp]

I disagree. One of the biggest mistakes we made in Baghdad was turn a blind eye to looting. The result was total chaos and anarchy and we never really gained control again. I say stop the looting. In a crisis like this everything needs to be done to maintain law and order. We don't want New Orleans to descend into hell like Baghdad.

Uh if the water keeps rising, there won't be a New Orleans to descend anywhere other than to the bottom of the new Lake/River/Ocean conglomeration.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, you must be hard to impress

But if you donate your whole salary first, maybe you can start a trend.

Give me an average of 4 million a year for 4 years, I'll donate two years salary.

Okay, whole salary is a bit much. How's this...

Every player in the NBA, MLB, NFL contributes 1/4 of their salary for the year, and the leagues match.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I say stop the looting. In a crisis like this everything needs to be done to maintain law and order. We don't want New Orleans to descend into hell like Baghdad.

Dude, it's going to be a fucking lake this time tomorrow. The only place it's descending is the bottom of Pontchartrain.

[Kori Ellis]

Well AHF - the $1M amount I think is just a minimum they wrote down. I'd venture to bet they get way more money than that. Look how much NBA players and teams donated to the tsunami efforts.

I think the players will step up for more than a million.

[timvp]

True...the only thing I have a problem with is the looters that are using weapons against other people trying to loot. It was reported earlier on CNN that there were multiple shootings involved in the looting.

Yeah, but people have to realize we are dealing with the self-proclaimed Murder Capital of the World. New Orleans is the most dangerous city in America ... and that's when times are good.

[Clandestino]

AND everyone has to agree not to rebuild in an area prone to natural disasters

[SpursWoman]

I think the players will step up for more than a million.


By far. And someone needs to call Alex Rodriguez, btw.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah I know that Kori, but I just want to kick Billy Hunter's ass when he sets the bar so low.

"We hope to come up with a combined overall donation of 1 million." Talk about a token gesture.

[Marklar MM]

Not to sound mean and harsh and all, but the first underwater city in America.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

And someone needs to call Alex Rodriguez, btw.

ARod? What about the guy paying him?

[timvp]

They should start construction on a city called Newer Orleans about 50 miles further north and start giving away the houses to the poor families who lost everything.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Well AHF - the $1M amount I think is just a minimum they wrote down. I'd venture to bet they get way more money than that. Look how much NBA players and teams donated to the tsunami efforts.

I think the players will step up for more than a million.


i think shaq will do close to or 1 mill on his own.... then there are plenty of other big hearts in hte NBA.... DRob , Motumbo etc....

bowen doesn't have as much to give but you know he will......

Iagree..1mill is just a # to promise to in a press release.. noway they settle at that.

[SpursWoman]

They should start construction on a city called Newer Orleans about 50 miles further north and start giving away the houses to the poor families who lost everything.


I like that idea a lot. :lol

[timvp]

ARod? What about the guy paying him?

Good point. I didn't hear about the owners getting together and donating any money.

Billions > Millions

[ObiwanGinobili]

ARod? What about the guy paying him?


oh you know that guys an ass.

[SpursWoman]

ARod? What about the guy paying him?


Him too. Get them on 3-way. :)

[Kori Ellis]

So, what are people here in the forum willing to give? For example if we set up an account where everyone from SpursTalk could send anything from a dollar on up and then we'd donate it in a lump sum, would you guys do it? Or are you giving on your own?

[SpursWoman]

So, what are people here in the forum willing to give? For example if we set up an account where everyone from SpursTalk could send anything from a dollar on up and then we'd donate it in a lump sum, would you guys do it? Or are you giving on your own?


I definitely am either way, I'm just trying to figure out how much.

Do they have a community chest type thing on this board like ezboard does?

[ObiwanGinobili]

So, what are people here in the forum willing to give? For example if we set up an account where everyone from SpursTalk could send anything from a dollar on up and then we'd donate it in a lump sum, would you guys do it? Or are you giving on your own?


:tu
I would.
I ain't got much, but I'm willing to help out in anyway i can. :elephant

[Kori Ellis]

No, there's no community chest. I'm guessing if we did it, everyone could just send the money to a Paypal account and then we could donate it.

It's just a suggestion. I know a lot of people feel like their own small amount of money won't help. But every little bit helps and if people need to see it in a larger group donation, then I'm sure we can do that.

[ObiwanGinobili]

7:22 P.M. - Marie: Belle Chasse suffered severe damage. South of Myrtle Grove completely under water. There are some, though unknown number, of dead bodies.


7:20 P.M. - Marie: Those rescued are airlifted to parish's highest point at the levee, dropped there with food and water and then the National Guard picks them up and sends them to the Belle Chasse auditorium. No looting repor

[ObiwanGinobili]

No, there's no community chest. I'm guessing if we did it, everyone could just send the money to a Paypal account and then we could donate it.

It's just a suggestion. I know a lot of people feel like their own small amount of money won't help. But every little bit helps and if people need to see it in a larger group donation, then I'm sure we can do that.


see, like i said, I ain't ot much to give.. but I'd add my small $$ to everybody elses' smal $$ and then we as a group would give a nice amount in one lump...

where as i'd feel like a loser calling in my small $$ to the red cross. and thats more paperwork for them anyway.

[Clandestino]

just showed 4 black dudes who were stealing a huge ass bbq pit! it took all 4 of them to wheel the big thing down the street..

[Marklar MM]

Who steals a barbecue pit in a flood zone?

[timvp]

just showed 4 black dudes who were stealing a huge ass bbq pit! it took all 4 of them to wheel the big thing down the street..

Awesome.

:smokin

[Kori Ellis]

just showed 4 black dudes who were stealing a huge ass bbq pit! it took all 4 of them to wheel the big thing down the street..

Maybe they need to cook all that raw meat that is going to spoil in the stores if it isn't cooked in the next 24 hours or so. :)

[Marklar MM]

I got a joke about that BBQ pit, but don't feel like some would like it.

[Clandestino]

Who steals a barbecue pit in a flood zone?
when you think about it, they could boil water or cook the snakes they find!

[SpursWoman]

Maybe they need to cook all that raw meat that is going to spoil in the stores if it isn't cooked in the next 24 hours or so. :)


See....good thinking. I hope someone remembered some dry charcoal and matches. :)

[Kori Ellis]

See....good thinking. I hope someone remembered some dry charcoal and matches.

I just know myself. And I know that if my kids were starving or had no clean water. I'd try to get food and water legally but if I couldn't - I'd loot like a mofo to save my kids.

[timvp]

On WWL, they just said they are sending looters to jail. They are showing people committing the horrible crime of looting bottled water.

:rolleyes

[ObiwanGinobili]

See....good thinking. I hope someone remembered some dry charcoal and matches. :)


or just grab some dry wood off the roofs.....

[timvp]

"We are not going to tolerate any type of looting even if it's a loaf of bread."

:flipoff

[Ginofan]

On WWL, they just said they are sending looters to jail. They are showing people committing the horrible crime of looting bottled water.

:rolleyes

Yeah and the jails are being evacuated, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to try and arrest people that you will have to end up evacuating from a jail cell.

[SpursWoman]

or just grab some dry wood off the roofs.....


Have to be careful with that, though...treated wood pops like, uhhh, seeds in a bowl. :fro

[timvp]

They just said that the worst case scenario of the fish bowl filling up is going to happen. New Orleans will be filled up until the entire city is filled with water three feet above sea level.

RIP.

[SpursWoman]

"We are not going to tolerate any type of looting even if it's a loaf of bread."

:flipoff


GMAFB. :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff

[Ginofan]

They are showing some of the stores that were looted on CNN, man they tore the shit out of that ATM! I wonder how one goes about destroying an ATM Machine, aren't they built like a steel trap!?

[ObiwanGinobili]

"We are not going to tolerate any type of looting even if it's a loaf of bread."

:flipoff


:wow motherfucking nazi's

[Kori Ellis]

The mayor is saying that there's really nothing they can do now. It's pretty much beyond the point of no return. Within 12-15 hours, the water will be at least 3 feet above sea level throughout the bowl.

[timvp]

The mayor is pissed cuz the sand bags never got there.

[ObiwanGinobili]

They are showing some of the stores that were looted on CNN, man they tore the shit out of that ATM! I wonder how one goes about destroying an ATM Machine, aren't they built like a steel trap!?


i remember on BarberShop they couldn't get inthat thing for shit.....

[Spurfect]

I've looked but I can't find it.. could someone please direct me to the video of the man who lost his wife? pretty please

[Ginofan]

I've looked but I can't find it.. could someone please direct me to the video of the man who lost his wife? pretty please

It's on the frontpage of CNN.com, on the right scroll down a little bit.

[ObiwanGinobili]

"This city has cleaned up after Mardi Gras... we can clean up after this!"

okay... tell me they are just saying that to boost moral and don;t actually mean it.

[Kori Ellis]

The mayor seems super pissed off that the sandbags didn't get done. He's saying that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

[Kori Ellis]

He's telling people not to go to the SuperDome, just to go to your roof .. he's saying if you have a car - there's a route to get out.

[Spurfect]

It's on the frontpage of CNN.com, on the right scroll down a little bit.

Thanks! :tu

[Ginofan]

The mayor seems super pissed off that the sandbags didn't get done. He's saying that there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

Yeah, wtf! They didn't even get the damn sandbags to the 17th St. Canal...

[spurschick]

I just posted this on the SpursForum, but thought it deserved to be in this thread as well.

NBA players’ association launching relief effort
Union will help deliver supplies to areas hardest-hit by hurricane

NEW YORK - The NBA players’ association said Tuesday it is launching an immediate effort to assist in the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

“We are in the process of contacting every player in the league to solicit their support and ideas on how we can make a difference as quickly as possible,” said union president Antonio Davis of the Chicago Bulls.

The union will help deliver supplies to the hardest hit areas.

“We want to mobilize immediately and provide as much assistance as possible to the tens of thousands of people who find themselves in life threatening situations as a result of this natural disaster,” executive director Bill Hunter said. “Our goal is to collectively raise and contribute at least $1 million in aid to the victims.”

Bulls guard Chris Duhon, from Slidell, La., said he would work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency to try to get financial support, clothing and food.

“This tragic event has destroyed the homes and lives of many people — people I know,” Duhon said. “Many towns are experiencing this devastation and have yet to determine what, if any, buildings will be saved. We have to do something to help ease this burden.”

[timvp]

So supposedly, the west bank will be fine. The part of the bowl that will fill up is the east bank.

[Ginofan]

So supposedly, the west bank will be fine. The part of the bowl that will fill up is the east bank.

I thought the west bank was already underwater?

[Kori Ellis]

I thought the west bank was already underwater?

I think they are just saying that it isn't going to be effected by the new water that's coming through.

[timvp]

I thought the west bank was already underwater?

I thought the west bank was pretty dry. They are saying that if you have a car, drive out the west bank.

But I could be wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Kori, you're right. I hate Wal Mart a little less now. That was awesome of them :)

[Ginofan]

Ahh okay. Maybe I just heard wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

Fox News pimping the looting angle on H&C -- the state AG doesn't seem to give much of a shit.

[Kori Ellis]

The Mayor said the sandbags never got there - now they are saying the mayor is wrong that they dropped some sandbags and it wasn't working so they had to give that up.

[Manu20]

By Steve Gregory

AUGUST 30 - 3:00PM


MSY -
40,000-50,000 people in the superdome, including seriously injured people, and evacuees from the Hospitals.
There are no running water or sewage facilities -- and no power. Temperatures are in he 90's
within the building
One man just committed suicide by jumping. 'Unrest' is growing within the superdome - and their
are there are now military as well civilian police on the scene.
There are now several; major fires in view of city. There is evidently a fair amount of oil and gas floating
on the flood waters.

Water is still rising and the Mayor is just now being evacuated by helicopter as City hall is now surrounded by water that can only be reached by small boat, water is about 3 feet deep at the steps of City Hall.

80% of New Orleans is totally submerged now, and will likely become 100% submerged tonight
The depth of the water in the BIZ district is around 6-10 inches at this time.

This is a result of 2 MAJOR BREACHES OF THE LEVEE. The first one ,is about 400 feet long, and appears to have given
way around 9PM last night. The Corp of Engineers have now said there is also a second breach as well. Within the hour
the Pentagon will be taking over the coordination and manpower / machinery to assist in closing the 2 breaches.

The COE indicates there is no other way to resolve the problem, and they will be using huge cranes, barges of sand and intend
to 'plug' the breached area. Until that is accomplished, News Orleans will continue to fill up with water
No time table is known on how long it will take. The COE indicated they have 'great concern' for the a specific
pumping station - the largest in the world -- and it will be eventually used to drain the water out of the
city after the levee has been repaired.

This is turning into a 'slow motion version' of the worst case scenario for New Orleans.
Over 1,200 people have been rescued by 40 coast guard recovery helicopters where people are standing on
roofs - since yesterday. Untold numbers of dead - likely in the hundreds and possibly near 1,000 or more
Disease is expected to take a heavy toll within days. This could claim thousands of lives. The key seemingly
is to somehow to evacuate everyone from the city. Whether this can be done I have no clue.

ELSEWHERE:
Video from the air just now showed the complete devastation of the coastal area from Mobile west to Gulfport.
An oil platform (LARGE) was brought across D auphin island and dumped to the north of the island just south
of that mouth of Mobile Bay.

[timvp]

Kori, you're right. I hate Wal Mart a little less now. That was awesome of them :)

Wal-Mart GTG.

:smokin

[Spurminator]

I'm sure a lot of stores in the area are fine with people "looting" their stores for food, they just don't have the PR machine of a Wal-Mart.

Not trying to detract, just saying...

[MannyIsGod]

I think that allowing "looting" by the stores might jeporadize some insurance payments. So Wal-Mart gets credit.

[ChumpDumper]

The video of the Biloxi coast is unreal -- shipping containers spread everywhere like discarded toys -- about 1/4 of a massive casino barge ripped off and deposited in the middle of a road hundreds of feet away. Incredible.

[timvp]

Disease is expected to take a heavy toll within days. This could claim thousands of lives. The key seemingly
is to somehow to evacuate everyone from the city. Whether this can be done I have no clue.

This is so key. They need to get everyone out of New Orleans. Especially people in the Superdome. With the plumbing no longer worker, major diseases will start spreading. If they keep them in there much longer, they're going to lose a large percentage of them to disease.

The only way to keep disease from killing thousands is to get everyone out no matter what. The only people there should be the rescue workers.

[Ginofan]

Damn, a guy jumped and commited suicide in the Superdome...that's insane! They need to get a plan together to get those people out sometime soon...the restlessness, the disease...I'd hate to see how much worse it gets.

[TheWriter]

By Steve Gregory

AUGUST 30 - 3:00PM


MSY -

40,000-50,000 people in the superdome, including seriously injured people, and evacuees from the Hospitals.

There are no running water or sewage facilities -- and no power. Temperatures are in he 90's within the building

One man just committed suicide by jumping. 'Unrest' is growing within the superdome - and their are there are now military as well civilian police on the scene.

Jumped off what? The Superdome?!

[Trainwreck2100]

Jumped off what? The Superdome?!


Did you ever wonder what would happen if you jumped from the cheap seats to the really really expensive ones

[SpursWoman]

Did you ever wonder what would happen if you jumped from the cheap seats to the really really expensive ones


Someone just found out. :(

[2Blonde]

Someone just found out. :(I heard someone died. Is that what happened? Did they fall?

...2Blonde

[SpursWoman]

I heard someone died. Is that what happened? Did they fall?

...2Blonde


Reports were that he jumped on his own..but who knows? :depressed

[Kori Ellis]

I heard someone died. Is that what happened? Did they fall?

...2Blonde

I heard earlier today that the person had apparently jumped.

[timvp]

Damn, hotels in Baton Rouge are evicting people who have run out of money.

Weak.

[MannyIsGod]

I haven't seen that across an AP wire though. It might just be a rumor.

[SpursWoman]

Damn, hotels in Baton Rouge are evicting people who have run out of money.

Weak.


They fucking suck. :(

[tw05baller]

that is wrong

[MannyIsGod]

The fabric of civil order was frayed. The Superdome changed from an arena of sports heroics into a grim experience for about 10,000 refugees. Three hospital patients died in the dome and another death was reported by officials. One suicide was also reported, but could not be independently confirmed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-icons31aug31,0,3673806.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Yeah, I'm not sure how accurate that suicide report is.

[MannyIsGod]

Hotels evicting people is super fucking weak.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Damn, hotels in Baton Rouge are evicting people who have run out of money.

Weak.


now that is some fucked up shit. and you know they were chargein RACK rates to start with. :flipoff

[ObiwanGinobili]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-icons31aug31,0,3673806.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Yeah, I'm not sure how accurate that suicide report is.


earlier today I was wathcing CNN and they were talking with one of thier reporters who is insidethe dome and she siad she watched this guy jump with her own eyes.

[Manu20]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina/index.html

Reports of shootings, carjackings and looting in the area near the Louisiana Superdome, New Orleans, a policeman tells CNN. More soon.

That is just wrong :depressed

[Trainwreck2100]

How high is the water in the SD?

[ObiwanGinobili]

Hurricane Katrina has inflicted more damage to Mississippi beach towns than did Hurricane Camille, and its death toll is likely to be higher, the state's governor said Tuesday.

Camille killed 143 people when it struck the state's coastal counties in 1969 and a total of 256 after it swept inland.

"There are structures after structures that survived Camille with minor damage that are not there any more," Gov. Haley Barbour told reporters in Jackson.

Katrina destroyed "every one" of the casinos that raked in a half-million dollars per day to state coffers, Barbour said after a helicopter tour of the affected areas.

"There were 10- and 20-block areas where there was nothing -- not one home standing," he said.

Barbour would not give a confirmed death toll, but said it was likely to be higher than previous reports of 50 to 80 dead. (Full story)

Jason Green, of the Harrison County Coroner's Office, said funeral homes in Gulfport had received 26 bodies since the storm passed Monday.

In the small town of Bay St. Louis, Mississippi, search-and-rescue crews put paint marks on homes known to contain bodies, because there weren't enough refrigerated trucks to remove the corpses.

In Biloxi, an employee of the city's Grand Casino was awed by the extent of the damage.

"I was a senior in high school when Hurricane Camille hit, in 1969, and I have never seen destruction of this magnitude," said Scott Richmond.

Part of the city's sea wall was washed away, and nearly every downtown building had extensive damage to its first level.

State emergency management officials said 80 percent of the state's residents had no power.

In Biloxi, a 25-foot swell of water crashed in from the Gulf of Mexico Monday and inundated structures there.

Up to 30 people are believed to have been killed when an apartment complex on the beach collapsed in the storm.

[boutons]

Lake Ponchartrain (our POV) annexes New Orleans (in the trees):

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp8-30-05ii.jpg

[TheWriter]

Hannity and Combs was showing video of the lotters. Mostly children, some adults in a store.

Hannity:
"Do you think the video footage should be used to identify the people in these videos?"

Law Enforcement Official on Phone:
"Absolutely."