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Mikeanaro
11-08-2015, 10:13 PM
Lets take this bitch up to 200 pages...

Chinook
11-08-2015, 10:16 PM
Hack analysis.

Spurs would have kept Jimmer if he wanted to toil away in the d-league til a spot opened. Rather, they allowed him to pursue teams with openings on their rosters.

I'm pretty sure if the Spurs liked Jimmer at all, he'd be in Austin. They literally chose not to have him. The way the Toros' roster is shaping up, he would have been a fit. They just didn't want him.

Spurtacular
11-08-2015, 10:17 PM
Lets take this bitch up to 200 pages...

100 is enough for me.

Spurtacular
11-08-2015, 10:17 PM
I'm pretty sure if the Spurs liked Jimmer at all, he'd be in Austin. They literally chose not to have him. The way the Toros' roster is shaping up, he would have been a fit. They just didn't want him.

You're not pretty sure at all. Pretty retarded, maybe.

Boomersgold
11-09-2015, 11:24 AM
663753353130848259

Haven't we seen this before?

ChumpDumper
11-09-2015, 11:43 AM
Congratulations to him.

Chinook
11-09-2015, 11:45 AM
You're not pretty sure at all. Pretty retarded, maybe.

You've given up, I take it.

Chinook
11-09-2015, 11:47 AM
663753353130848259

Haven't we seen this before?

Interesting. He's going to play. It'll be nice to see him get more playing time to show the world how "good" he is.

SAGirl
11-09-2015, 02:49 PM
Interesting. He's going to play. It'll be nice to see him get more playing time to show the world how "good" he is.
He caught a break because Gentry likes the 3. It's his chance to be shooting. I don't like him personally, he didn't show anything while he was here, but I wish him the best and maybe he can help the Pelicans, they are in deep trouble at this point. Not that Jimmer is going to save them, but if there was ever a time to be shooting the 3 well to revive his career, this is probably it.

cd98
11-09-2015, 02:59 PM
Interesting. He's going to play. It'll be nice to see him get more playing time to show the world how "good" he is.

Obviously, he is a fringe NBA player. But given Spurs history, he's the kind of player that we will be below average until he plays the Spurs and lights them up.

Spurtacular
11-09-2015, 03:01 PM
You've given up, I take it.

Not really. But I was really speaking to your jaded take on this matter. I wish you well all the same.

Spurtacular
11-09-2015, 03:04 PM
663753353130848259

Haven't we seen this before?

That's sort of out of leftfield. Goes to show that Jimmer did make a good impression in NOL despite some of his struggles (and despite one former anonymous coach taking his pot shots). I said all along that Monty was jerking him around a bit.

Spurtacular
11-09-2015, 03:05 PM
663753353130848259

Haven't we seen this before?

I have mixed feelings about this. Not sure that NOL is the best fit; and I was looking forward to seeing Jimmer play as a Knickerbocker at MSG in a homecoming. But Jimmer's record of playing in zero d-league games still stands at least.

spursgu
11-09-2015, 03:39 PM
Good for him. He's not on our team.

dabom
11-09-2015, 04:15 PM
Can we lock this as he ain't a Spur no more? MODs/chump!!

RD2191
11-09-2015, 06:37 PM
I'm just here to push this to 100 pages.

Lostwingman
11-09-2015, 06:46 PM
Wonder if this thread has more posts than Jimmer has career points.

lilbthebasedgod
11-09-2015, 06:56 PM
Wonder if this thread has more posts than Jimmer has career points.
more than double

TheMulletMan3000
11-09-2015, 06:58 PM
I'm just here to push this to 100 pages.
let's do this

apalisoc_9
11-09-2015, 07:28 PM
Wonder if this thread has more posts than Jimmer has career points.

:lmao

ducks
11-09-2015, 07:37 PM
Wonder if this thread has more posts than Jimmer has career points.

has more post then leonard clutch shots

tholdren
11-09-2015, 08:54 PM
has more post then leonard clutch shots
so do all of cry havocs one post threads.

HarlemHeat37
11-09-2015, 09:11 PM
I love how tholdren hates tattoos, snapbacks, called Danny Green ghetto trash, and is a fan of Jimmer:lol..I'm noticing a pattern here, hmmm..

Dex
11-09-2015, 09:15 PM
The legend of the Jimmer thread lives on!

Lostwingman
11-09-2015, 09:17 PM
has more post then leonard clutch shots

I bet Kawhi is just terribly broken up about that.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5521803358_aec067f7ea.jpg

k_nguyen93
11-09-2015, 09:59 PM
Hardship exception :lol

BG_Spurs_Fan
11-10-2015, 02:55 AM
Impatiently awaiting his first 5pt game when this thread will no doubt explode with 'the missing piece' kinda takes.

tbdog
11-10-2015, 03:07 AM
Sucks for the team that drafted him 2nd. He played like one week? See Ayres was a good choice. He aren't going anywhere.

Fireball
11-10-2015, 04:45 AM
can we close this thread please ... forever

benefactor
11-10-2015, 07:12 AM
I love how tholdren hates tattoos, snapbacks, called Danny Green ghetto trash, and is a fan of Jimmer:lol..I'm noticing a pattern here, hmmm..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

Spurtacular
11-10-2015, 10:29 PM
Jimmer comes to town and the Pels finally get their first win of the season.

ChumpDumper
11-10-2015, 10:34 PM
lol the Pelicans were up by 27 before Jimmer came in and played the last five and a half minutes.

timtonymanu
11-10-2015, 10:38 PM
This thread is still alive I see. :lol

dabom
11-10-2015, 10:44 PM
Spurtacular rustling those jimmies. Lmao

dabom
11-10-2015, 10:48 PM
Jimmer comes to town and the Pels finally get their first win of the season.

ChumpDumper
11-10-2015, 10:50 PM
dabom cruising for new internet friends.

dabom
11-10-2015, 10:55 PM
Chump trying to hard. Maybe next time.

ChumpDumper
11-10-2015, 10:56 PM
Chump trying to hard. Maybe next time.dabom needs to try an ESL course.

Spurtacular
11-10-2015, 11:01 PM
Chump trying to hard. Maybe next time.

When does he ever not try too hard? :lmao

Spurtacular
11-10-2015, 11:02 PM
lol the Pelicans were up by 27 before Jimmer came in and played the last five and a half minutes.

Emotional leader.

A fan favorite too. Crowd stood to their feet for the Jimmer three ball; and they erupted on his bucket.

Lostwingman
11-11-2015, 12:09 AM
Emotional leader.

A fan favorite too. Crowd stood to their feet for the Jimmer three ball; and they erupted on his bucket.

Well shit, I love Boban too but him being a trash time fan favorite doesn't make him an emotional leader for the team now does it?

ChumpDumper
11-11-2015, 12:09 AM
Emotional leader.
How did he lead them emotionally? Did he wave a leader towel?

Be specific.

Lostwingman
11-11-2015, 12:10 AM
How did he lead their emotions?

Be specific.

He told them not to worry, he had the game under control now.

ChumpDumper
11-11-2015, 12:11 AM
He told them not to worry, he had the game under control now."Don't worry, I'm going to let this lead shrink by 12 before I'm done."

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 01:13 AM
Well, aren't you guys some silly sallies.

lilbthebasedgod
11-11-2015, 06:13 AM
Jimmer comes to town and the Pels finally get their first win of the season.
whoa, you might be on to something

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 03:13 PM
whoa, you might be on to something

Just stating the fact.

ChumpDumper
11-11-2015, 03:24 PM
Just stating the fact.So following that logic, they shouldn't play Jimmer ever until they are up by 27 in the fourth. Otherwise, they'll lose.

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 03:25 PM
So following that logic, they shouldn't play Jimmer ever until they are up by 27 in the fourth. Otherwise, they'll lose.

You didn't even try on that one, tbh.

Chinook
11-11-2015, 03:46 PM
Honest question, Spurtacular: When did you decide to give up the ghost and stop actually defending Jimmer? At this point, it's clear you don't care about him any more than the rest of us. In many ways, you're just doing what you have to to get us to 2971 posts. I'm just wondering when that change happened, and what sparked it.

HarlemHeat37
11-11-2015, 03:49 PM
SpursTalk is known across the Internet's NBA world for racism, rampant trolling, spam, meltdowns, hating and shit-talking, personal attacks, etc, but this thread being on the verge of reaching 100 pages is the most embarrassing thing in the history of this forum IMO..

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 03:49 PM
Honest question, Spurtacular: When did you decide to give up the ghost and stop actually defending Jimmer? At this point, it's clear you don't care about him any more than the rest of us. In many ways, you're just doing what you have to to get us to 2971 posts. I'm just wondering when that change happened, and what sparked it.

I'm still a fan; but I have no interest in taking Jimmer slights personally. And in some cases, the criticisms are valid. I suppose the fact that I'm not fighting for Jimmer in the realm of a Spurs system contributes as well.

Chinook
11-11-2015, 03:53 PM
I'm still a fan; but I have no interest in taking Jimmer slights personally. And in some cases, the criticisms are valid. I suppose the fact that I'm not fighting for Jimmer in the realm of a Spurs system contributes as well.

I mean, by all means, keep on keeping on. It would be a shame for us to fail to reach our goal when we're so close. Thanks for the honest answer.

TXstbobcat
11-11-2015, 03:57 PM
It is estimated that all we really need is 2 more spurtacular vs. ChumDumper arguments in this thread to get to 100 pages.

cd98
11-11-2015, 04:11 PM
Who will score more points in their NBA career, Jimmer or Simmons?

ChumpDumper
11-11-2015, 04:50 PM
You didn't even try on that one, tbh.Don't have to tbh; these write themselves.

apalisoc_9
11-11-2015, 05:08 PM
Chump trying to hard. Maybe next time.

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 06:23 PM
Don't have to tbh; these write themselves.

I agree that you make mindless posts.

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 06:24 PM
Who will score more points in their NBA career, Jimmer or Simmons?

Good question. Arguably new thread worthy.

Lostwingman
11-11-2015, 06:31 PM
Good question. Arguably new thread worthy.
Nah, we should leave this one as testament.

ChumpDumper
11-11-2015, 08:25 PM
I agree that you make mindless posts.Don't be so upset that the Mormon was -12 in 5.5 minutes.

Spurtacular
11-11-2015, 11:29 PM
Nah, we should leave this one as testament.

No religious pun intended? I've kept the Jimmerosity to one thread; I was just saying.

playbonner15
11-19-2015, 06:14 PM
Pelicans waive Fredette
https://twitter.com/spearsnbayahoo/status/667443259640270848

dabom
11-19-2015, 06:16 PM
:lmao










srs:lmao

Mel_13
11-19-2015, 06:18 PM
Pelicans waive Fredette
https://twitter.com/spearsnbayahoo/status/667443259640270848

The Pelicans only had nine players in uniform last night and Jimmer still only played 4 minutes. Time for him to have his agent begin the process of finding him an overseas gig.

will_spurs
11-19-2015, 06:24 PM
Won't it be funny when the Spurs sign him to a 10-day contract later this season?

dabom
11-19-2015, 06:28 PM
Won't it be funny when the Spurs sign him to a 10-day contract later this season?

Nah faggot. :lmao

playbonner15
11-19-2015, 06:35 PM
Fuck the team plays the Pels next game. No way Jimmer drop 50 on the Spurs now :pctoss

ChumpDumper
11-19-2015, 06:35 PM
Wonder if White Plains will take him back.

elemento
11-19-2015, 07:19 PM
Time to think about a career overseas.

tholdren
11-19-2015, 07:55 PM
I would try out for SA again. Playing better than Green

benefactor
11-19-2015, 08:15 PM
Time to think about a career overseas.
That or go back to BYU. In the mold of Vince Young, he's got a job waiting on him.

Kawhitstorm
11-19-2015, 08:57 PM
No religious pun intended? I've kept the Jimmerosity to one thread; I was just saying.

Westchester:lmao

Dex
11-19-2015, 10:10 PM
We'll never make it to 100 like this! :pctoss

ElNono
11-19-2015, 10:21 PM
I heard the Knicks wanted him... not sure what happened

Spurtacular
11-20-2015, 12:53 AM
Westchester:lmao

Hundreds of threads with dozens of screen names :wakeup

Kawhitstorm
11-20-2015, 01:14 AM
Hundreds of threads with dozens of screen names :wakeup

Can't handle the truth:lmao

Mel_13
11-28-2015, 06:34 PM
670630930487341056

Spurtacular
11-28-2015, 06:35 PM
At least Jimmer makes threes. McCallum is worthless.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2015, 04:04 AM
At least Jimmer makes threes.No he doesn't.

hooperflash
11-29-2015, 05:17 AM
"His wife is hot." - T.Parker

Lostwingman
11-29-2015, 11:52 AM
At least Jimmer makes threes. McCallum is worthless.

I hope we keep rayray on this team for the next 5 years. Just so we can hear you bitch about how jimjam was more deserving.

Spurtacular
11-29-2015, 07:03 PM
I hope we keep rayray on this team for the next 5 years. Just so we can hear you bitch about how jimjam was more deserving.

Me too.

spurraider21
11-29-2015, 07:17 PM
just posting to support Mugen on most valuable posters list

Mugen
11-29-2015, 07:20 PM
Oh great, I've locked up the Armenian vote....

jhfenton
11-30-2015, 09:57 PM
671518533696778240

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
12-01-2015, 10:51 AM
Jimmer is still the King of Scrubs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt1kORc7K_o

ceperez
12-01-2015, 11:29 AM
671518533696778240

Sign him up.... assuming he's gotten over himself!

Chinook
12-01-2015, 11:43 AM
It's amazing how playing against smaller and slower defenders can all the sudden make Jimmer an effective offensive player. It's as if biomechanics actually matter.

cd98
12-01-2015, 11:57 AM
671518533696778240

And yet if Simmons had done this Spurstalk would wet itself.

lmbebo
12-01-2015, 12:22 PM
wish he could learn to play off of the ball and get away from the mentality that he is going to be the "guy" on an nba team.

ceperez
12-01-2015, 12:23 PM
And yet if Simmons had done this Spurstalk would wet itself.

No, nobody noticed or knew who Simmons was even after scoring 20 points or more in 11 outings in the D-league last year. 3 of those where 29 points or more.

Darius Bieber
12-01-2015, 12:53 PM
Too good for D-League, too bad for NBA. Kinda like how Jeremy Lin was.

Dex
12-01-2015, 01:22 PM
wish he could learn to play off of the ball and get away from the mentality that he is going to be the "guy" on an nba team.

It's the only way he knows how to play. Look at the highlights of those 37 points...not a single basket was assisted. It's like every time he gets the ball, he goes into "one-man wrecking crew" mode.

It's like the "pass" button on his controller is broken. That kind of game won't work on 98% of NBA teams. It's no wonder the Spurs didn't want to keep the guy.

Chinook
12-01-2015, 01:46 PM
Jimmer's passing isn't his issue. He's a fine d-league PG. His shooting is the problem, and anyone who disagrees is frankly clueless at this point.

Nathan89
12-01-2015, 02:05 PM
Vs the d-league he can get to the rim as shown in that video. That allows him have the ball in his hands to create his own threes when he wants.

Destro
12-01-2015, 03:05 PM
Time to go play in China

BillMc
12-01-2015, 03:09 PM
This thread is getting to 100. It's a form of Manifest Destiny.

FkLA
12-01-2015, 04:07 PM
Those were actually really tough lay-ups and shots that he was making. It's not like he was blowing past guys or getting his shot off easily. That approach will never work against superior NBA talent...needs to focus on simply being a spot-up shooter.

Robz4000
12-01-2015, 04:30 PM
Doing my part to get this to 100 pages.

Lostwingman
12-01-2015, 04:35 PM
Jimmer needs to stop wasting his prime and go to China already.

ceperez
12-01-2015, 05:09 PM
Those were actually really tough lay-ups and shots that he was making. It's not like he was blowing past guys or getting his shot off easily. That approach will never work against superior NBA talent...needs to focus on simply being a spot-up shooter.

Really don't matter what he can do or does, it is all about whether he has gotten over himself. I doubt it, so he'll never be a Spur.

rasuo214
12-01-2015, 05:32 PM
If he really wants to play in the NBA he needs to display that he's a reliable spot up 3P shooter (40+%). His 1 man performances just won't work in the NBA but it's great if he wants to just live off of Jimmer Mania on some overseas team.

DMX7
12-01-2015, 06:23 PM
So that's how this thread has gotten so long... people are just posting for the sake of making it go longer.

bic50
12-01-2015, 06:29 PM
So that's how this thread has gotten so long... people are just posting for the sake of making it go longer.

For a thread to go almost 100 pages for a guy who was a spur for what seemed to for only a minute is bizarre.

Maddog
12-01-2015, 06:47 PM
So that's how this thread has gotten so long... people are just posting for the sake of making it go longer.

That's only asmall part of it -
there is some really intriguing discussions about Fredette, how basketball is played today, college vs pro
In addition some wonderful philosophical give and take between Chump and Spurtacular..

I encourage you read each and every page- you'll be a better person for it!

TXstbobcat
12-01-2015, 06:55 PM
Just doing my part to help get this thread to 100 pages.

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 06:58 PM
671518533696778240

I kept saying the Spurs didn't give him enough run to make a proper decision.

lilbthebasedgod
12-01-2015, 07:01 PM
cmon guys, 1 and a half more pages!

ChumpDumper
12-01-2015, 07:02 PM
I kept saying the Spurs didn't give him enough run to make a proper decision.True. The Spurs can really use him next time they go up against Grand Rapids.

Silver&Black
12-01-2015, 07:05 PM
Doing my part to get this to 100 pages.


Just doing my part to help get this thread to 100 pages.

Guess I'll join the club.

Vito Corleone
12-01-2015, 07:05 PM
So that's how this thread has gotten so long... people are just posting for the sake of making it go longer.

That's why I'm here.

Oh no, I didn't.

tholdren
12-01-2015, 07:10 PM
True. The Spurs can really use him next time they go up against Grand Rapids.

Spurs lost because they can't score in the paint in the clutch, or hit FTs. Spurs need a scorer. Maybe Jimmer isn't the answer, but neither is a KL turnaround airball three.

bic50
12-01-2015, 07:11 PM
True. The Spurs can really use him next time they go up against Grand Rapids.

:lol

ChumpDumper
12-01-2015, 07:15 PM
Spurs lost because they can't score in the paint in the clutch, or hit FTs. Spurs need a scorer. Maybe Jimmer isn't the answer, but neither is a KL turnaround airball three.What's more likely to happen:

1) KL becomes better at clock management.

2) Jimmer becomes a clutch time player for an NBA title competitor.

Choose one.

tholdren
12-01-2015, 07:18 PM
What's more likely to happen:

1) KL becomes better at clock management.

2) Jimmer becomes a clutch time player for an NBA title competitor.

Choose one.

No one said Jimmer would become a clutch player for a title team. What kind of "intelligent" player or "finals MVP" or "max player" Throws up a turnaround three with 5 seconds to go?

But based on the choices and really no where to go for KL but up, I choose 1. Then again, is a Biddy League Coach coming to the spurs next practice?

ChumpDumper
12-01-2015, 07:20 PM
I choose 1.There you go

tholdren
12-01-2015, 07:23 PM
There you go
The question you should have posed is Who will be the clutch player for a title team
1. KL
2. Jimmer
3. Neither.

Answer ? 3

ChumpDumper
12-01-2015, 07:26 PM
The question you should have posed is Who will be the clutch player for a title team
1. KL
2. Jimmer
3. Neither.

Answer ? 3I choose 1.

rasuo214
12-01-2015, 07:36 PM
Kawhi has already been a clutch player for a title team, or are we going to pretend 5 didn't happen?

Lostwingman
12-01-2015, 07:50 PM
I kept saying the Spurs didn't give him enough run to make a proper decision.

Dude's played 229 games in the NBA. His talent is a known quality, it's just not NBA quality.

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 07:52 PM
Spurs should dump McCallum. He's dead weight. Pick up Jimmer.

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 07:54 PM
Dude's played 229 games in the NBA. His talent is a known quality, it's just not NBA quality.

Yea, he managed to stick around for four years cos he's "not NBA quality." He was drafted 10th overall because he's "not NBA quality." He put 37 last night cos he's "not NBA quality."

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 07:56 PM
I was watching a game the other night on NBALP; don't remember if it was Spurs-Bulls or Knicks-Rockets or Warriors-someone or what; but they were talking about how whatever team could use a shooter like Jimmer.

TXstbobcat
12-01-2015, 08:03 PM
Yea, he managed to stick around for four years cos he's "not NBA quality." He was drafted 10th overall because he's "not NBA quality." He put 37 last night cos he's "not NBA quality."

The Kings obviously didn't think he was NBA quality as they declined to pick up the 4th year option of his rookie contract. The rest of the league currently seems to agree as nobody is currently offering him an NBA contract.

RD2191
12-01-2015, 08:05 PM
I'm just here to push this to 100 pages.
:wakeup

RD2191
12-01-2015, 08:06 PM
We can do it fellas.

TheGreatYacht
12-01-2015, 08:07 PM
I don't know why the Jazz don't sign him. He can put ass to seats in that area, and their starting PG, Raul Neto is terrible. Neto is literally below average at everything.

Edit: Utah Jazz starting PG Raul Neto is averaging 4.3ppg & 2.5apg, shooting 33.8FG%, 32.3 3P%, 57.1FT%

Lostwingman
12-01-2015, 08:10 PM
Yea, he managed to stick around for four years cos he's "not NBA quality." He was drafted 10th overall because he's "not NBA quality." He put 37 last night cos he's "not NBA quality."

Teams buying into hype and trying to get something out of him isn't the same thing. Even Anthony Bennett played over a hundred games. If his talent is so clearly NBA quality, why isn't he in the NBA?

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 08:17 PM
The Kings obviously didn't think he was NBA quality as they declined to pick up the 4th year option of his rookie contract. The rest of the league currently seems to agree as nobody is currently offering him an NBA contract.

I know you'd love to over simplify. Jimmer can play in the NBA and contribute.

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 08:18 PM
I don't know why the Jazz don't sign him. He can put ass to seats in that area, and their starting PG, Raul Neto is terrible. Neto is literally below average at everything.

Edit: Utah Jazz starting PG Raul Neto is averaging 4.3ppg & 2.5apg, shooting 33.8FG%, 32.3 3P%, 57.1FT%

Jazz MGMT are arrogant p.o.s.'s tbh.

Spurtacular
12-01-2015, 08:19 PM
Teams buying into hype and trying to get something out of him isn't the same thing. Even Anthony Bennett played over a hundred games. If his talent is so clearly NBA quality, why isn't he in the NBA?

A lot of sh** GM's, imo.

ChumpDumper
12-01-2015, 08:44 PM
I kept saying the Spurs didn't give him enough run to make a proper decision.


Spurs should dump McCallum. He's dead weight. Pick up Jimmer.


Yea, he managed to stick around for four years cos he's "not NBA quality." He was drafted 10th overall because he's "not NBA quality." He put 37 last night cos he's "not NBA quality."


I was watching a game the other night on NBALP; don't remember if it was Spurs-Bulls or Knicks-Rockets or Warriors-someone or what; but they were talking about how whatever team could use a shooter like Jimmer.
I know you'd love to over simplify. Jimmer can play in the NBA and contribute.


Jazz MGMT are arrogant p.o.s.'s tbh.


A lot of sh** GM's, imo.

:lol

tholdren
12-01-2015, 08:55 PM
I choose 1.
with SA?

Lostwingman
12-01-2015, 09:05 PM
A lot of sh** GM's, imo.

PATFO are real fuck ups aren't they?

:downspin:

cd98
12-01-2015, 09:31 PM
Yea, he managed to stick around for four years cos he's "not NBA quality." He was drafted 10th overall because he's "not NBA quality." He put 37 last night cos he's "not NBA quality."

Whoa hold up. 37 points is nice but big difference between D League and NBA. Any of the guys on the Spur bench could score 30+ in D League.

TXstbobcat
12-01-2015, 09:41 PM
I know you'd love to over simplify. Jimmer can play in the NBA and contribute.

So you are saying every GM in the NBA is wrong and you know something they don't?????? This is how you justify your argument that he is currently an NBA player????

SAGirl
12-01-2015, 10:12 PM
It's amazing how playing against smaller and slower defenders can all the sudden make Jimmer an effective offensive player. It's as if biomechanics actually matter.
Its not even the size of athletes. He is still smaller than most guys there. It's that there is absolutely no rim protection on those drives, and no defensive schemes. Also, all of his scoring was off the dribble by himself, as you pointed out somewhere 500 posts back, it doesn't make sense for any NBA team to give him the ball to let him go crazy. He just can't play that way in the NBA with real NBA defenders, defensive schemes and rim protection.

ChumpDumper
12-01-2015, 10:28 PM
with SA?Sure. Why not?

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:33 PM
The Kings obviously didn't think he was NBA quality as they declined to pick up the 4th year option of his rookie contract. The rest of the league currently seems to agree as nobody is currently offering him an NBA contract.


:wakeup


We can do it fellas.


I don't know why the Jazz don't sign him. He can put ass to seats in that area, and their starting PG, Raul Neto is terrible. Neto is literally below average at everything.

Edit: Utah Jazz starting PG Raul Neto is averaging 4.3ppg & 2.5apg, shooting 33.8FG%, 32.3 3P%, 57.1FT%


Teams buying into hype and trying to get something out of him isn't the same thing. Even Anthony Bennett played over a hundred games. If his talent is so clearly NBA quality, why isn't he in the NBA?


I know you'd love to over simplify. Jimmer can play in the NBA and contribute.


Jazz MGMT are arrogant p.o.s.'s tbh.


A lot of sh** GM's, imo.


:lol

Good points. Wonder if Pop wishes he had him instead of parker

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:33 PM
Probably not

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:33 PM
How many posts per page

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:34 PM
Is there any award for 100?

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:34 PM
Is Jimmer names animals at disks zoo

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:35 PM
Is Jimmer better looking than Leonard?

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:35 PM
Jimmer

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:35 PM
Is

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:36 PM
A winner

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:36 PM
Jimmer jimmer

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:36 PM
Chicken

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:36 PM
Dinner

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:36 PM
It's small victories

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:37 PM
That make big

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:37 PM
Ripples

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:37 PM
Ripple ripple

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:37 PM
Jimmer nipple

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:38 PM
Jimmer


Is


A winner


Jimmer jimmer


Chicken


Dinner


It's small victories


That make big


Ripples


Ripple ripple

Yes...pee pee the kidnapper

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:39 PM
Is it length or amount?

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:39 PM
I'm too scared to check

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:39 PM
Gotta keep on

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:39 PM
Keepin on

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:40 PM
Dog is geowling

TXstbobcat
12-01-2015, 10:40 PM
100 pages bitches. :lmao

Now this thread can die in peace

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:40 PM
Is it length or amount?


Yes...pee pee the kidnapper


Whoa hold up. 37 points is nice but big difference between D League and NBA. Any of the guys on the Spur bench could score 30+ in D League.


PATFO are real fuck ups aren't they?

:downspin:


So you are saying every GM in the NBA is wrong and you know something they don't?????? This is how you justify your argument that he is currently an NBA player????

Wot wot

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:41 PM
Life ain't shit but

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:41 PM
Wait...its life ain't nothing but

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:41 PM
Bitches and miney

RD2191
12-01-2015, 10:42 PM
:danceclub

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:42 PM
Oh shit...I thought I was still on 99

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:43 PM
I did it! I wonded!

SpursforSix
12-01-2015, 10:43 PM
I wish Parker had my dedication

Lostwingman
12-01-2015, 11:07 PM
A hollow victory fellow Americans.
http://i.imgur.com/h3lwK5D.gif

Dex
12-01-2015, 11:21 PM
WE DID IT SPURSTALK!!!!!! :elephant

Ok, can we lock this shit now?

hooperflash
12-02-2015, 01:17 AM
WE DID IT SPURSTALK!!!!!! :elephant

Ok, can we lock this shit now?

Why not go for 200? /blue tbh

bic50
12-02-2015, 01:21 AM
:clap

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 02:52 AM
PATFO are real fuck ups aren't they?

:downspin:

Not what I said. Keep (not) trying.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 02:53 AM
Whoa hold up. 37 points is nice but big difference between D League and NBA. Any of the guys on the Spur bench could score 30+ in D League.

I agree. But clearly. there's something there.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 02:56 AM
Its not even the size of athletes. He is still smaller than most guys there. It's that there is absolutely no rim protection on those drives, and no defensive schemes. Also, all of his scoring was off the dribble by himself, as you pointed out somewhere 500 posts back, it doesn't make sense for any NBA team to give him the ball to let him go crazy. He just can't play that way in the NBA with real NBA defenders, defensive schemes and rim protection.

Jimmer isn't gonna score an abundance of points on those scoops. Though. it's noteworthy how well Jimmer did shoot from well on 2's last season. He needs to get his range completely back. It's not been the same since last season. He is at his utmost value when he can bomb lights out.

benefactor
12-02-2015, 06:52 AM
:lol saying it's the GM's fault Jimmer is terrible

Good to see this make 100...Lord's work, tbh.

lilbthebasedgod
12-02-2015, 07:41 AM
lets get this to 3000 posts

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs
12-02-2015, 08:39 AM
Jimmer Mania. Only that can produce a 100 page thread, over a backend player had he even made the roster.

Lostwingman
12-02-2015, 10:55 AM
Not what I said. Keep (not) trying.

Oh shut up, you can't even remember what you said last page:

A lot of sh** GM's, imo.

I suppose PATFO aren't counted as GM's now? They even had Fredette in camp to work him out this summer and dropped his arrogant ass.

Chinook
12-02-2015, 01:26 PM
Jimmer sucks.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 03:10 PM
Oh shut up, you can't even remember what you said last page:


I suppose PATFO aren't counted as GM's now? They even had Fredette in camp to work him out this summer and dropped his arrogant ass.

That's 1 in 30. dude; way to over-simplify per uoojh.... Teams have different needs, etc. And I wouldn't call PATFO crap like I would a lot of GMs. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with each and every move.

BackHome
12-02-2015, 03:30 PM
Going for 3000

Lostwingman
12-02-2015, 03:35 PM
That's 1 in 30. dude; way to over-simplify per uoojh.... Teams have different needs, etc. And I wouldn't call PATFO crap like I would a lot of GMs. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with each and every move.
That's only 1 sure but your whine was about "sh** GM's", only need 1 example to show it's not just "sh** GM's" passing him up. Jimmer's been around for a few years now and can't find himself a team. That'd actually be more than 30 that have passed on him given turn over rate in that time. Face it, unless Jimmer changes, he's not gonna find himself in the NBA outside of bit parts.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 03:49 PM
That's only 1 sure but your whine was about "sh** GM's", only need 1 example to show it's not just "sh** GM's" passing him up.

How many teams passed on Jimmy Butler / Kawhi? Okay, then.

Lostwingman
12-02-2015, 03:53 PM
How many teams passed on Jimmy Butler / Kawhi? Okay, then.

Yea, but quality GM's DID end up picking them up and developing them. What does that say about JimJam? Okay, then.

ChumpDumper
12-02-2015, 03:56 PM
How many teams passed on Jimmy Butler / Kawhi? Okay, then.The GM who picked Jimmer over Kawhi and Butler is perhaps the biggest idiot of them all.

SpursforSix
12-02-2015, 04:01 PM
The GM who picked Jimmer over Kawhi and Butler is perhaps the biggest idiot of them all.

damn. I didn't know that was even a thing.
Players taken after Jimmer...just a handull...

Klay Thompson
Kawhi Leonard
Vucevic
Shumpert
Faried
Mirotic
Butler
Isaiah Thomas

ChumpDumper
12-02-2015, 04:05 PM
lol even E'Twaun Moore stuck better than Jimmer.

Lostwingman
12-02-2015, 04:18 PM
lol even E'Twaun Moore stuck better than Jimmer.

That's only because of stupid GM's not recognizing talent.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 07:19 PM
Yea, but quality GM's DID end up picking them up and developing them. What does that say about JimJam? Okay, then.

It says you're a belligerent moron.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 07:20 PM
Jimmer's First Two Westchester Games





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBW7AZUCWs4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RrsRM_A-0k

Lostwingman
12-02-2015, 07:27 PM
It says you're a belligerent moron.

You are a special type of mad.

Spurtacular
12-02-2015, 07:30 PM
You are a special type of mad.

Am I?

Lostwingman
12-02-2015, 07:40 PM
Maybe obsessed is the better word.

Dex
12-02-2015, 08:08 PM
Why are we back at 98 pages? WTF kind of black magic is this?

weeks
12-02-2015, 08:38 PM
Why are we back at 98 pages? WTF kind of black magic is this?
it showed 101 pages but i couldn't click on anything past 98

Spurtacular
12-04-2015, 11:14 PM
McCallum had 10 points (4/16 from the field, 2/2 from the line), 3 boards, 4 assists, 1 block, and 2 TOs in 38 minutes of play.

Meanwhile, the player the Spurs should've stuck with followed up his 37 point debut with an even more impressive all around game...


In his second D-League game, Fredette finished with 22 points, nine assists, seven rebounds and five steals

http://nypost.com/2015/12/02/jimmer-fredettes-d-league-encore-was-so-close-to-amazing/


(http://nypost.com/2015/12/02/jimmer-fredettes-d-league-encore-was-so-close-to-amazing/)

Spurtacular
12-04-2015, 11:14 PM
Why are we back at 98 pages? WTF kind of black magic is this?

Some troll posted a bunch of nothing posts, which were deleted (presumably by the mods).

ChumpDumper
12-04-2015, 11:15 PM
Jimmer is playing at his level.

Spurtacular
12-04-2015, 11:28 PM
Jimmer's third game, tomorrow, live:


http://dleague.nba.com/games/20151205/WESOKL/

ChumpDumper
12-04-2015, 11:33 PM
That will be his fourth game, superfan.

Dancelot
12-05-2015, 02:23 AM
Closing in on 3:lol:lol:lol posts

Spurtacular
12-05-2015, 06:07 AM
That will be his fourth game, superfan.

Ah...I was busy today and hadn't seen that they played today. Apparently, you're the super fan though.

Spurtacular
12-05-2015, 06:10 AM
At the behest of Chumpdumper, here's Jimmer putting a whooping on Ray McCallum and company (Jimmer Game #3):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEpl1RrrRB8

Gladney to see you
12-05-2015, 08:04 AM
Doesn't show whole game

elemento
12-05-2015, 08:27 AM
Man what a terrible streaming. Too bad because i wanted to see our guys playing.

Vito Corleone
12-05-2015, 09:03 AM
Jimmer has officially become Alfredrick Hughes. He shall forever be known as Jimmer the great.

littlecoyotecoin
12-05-2015, 10:53 AM
Doesn't show whole game

If it did, it would show Jimmer chucking 2/7, 29% from three point land. Supposedly his strong suit. And, 41% overall. This all vs D-league competition. Not impressive at all.

His 9 assists were this chucker's only saving grace. But, he's played with them a few games now.

He had a better game, statistically, than Ray in Ray's first game down there. But, in the actual NBA this year, Ray is shooting .455 from the field, no threes but he was making them at a good clip in the pre-season. No worse than Jimmer's 2/7 last night, or Jimmer's 18% in the NBA last season. Ray will not be asked to light it up, but he already is proving at least as efficient in the NBA as Jimmer was in the D-league last night.

Add to that, he can actually defend his man a little bit, and it's perfectly understandable why he got the nod over Jimmer.

Can we add it's only Ray's 3rd season, while this is Jimmer's 5th or 6th?

GSH
12-05-2015, 11:21 AM
Its not even the size of athletes. He is still smaller than most guys there. It's that there is absolutely no rim protection on those drives, and no defensive schemes. Also, all of his scoring was off the dribble by himself, as you pointed out somewhere 500 posts back, it doesn't make sense for any NBA team to give him the ball to let him go crazy. He just can't play that way in the NBA with real NBA defenders, defensive schemes and rim protection.


LOL - people twisted that the Spurs cut him loose. Every single NBA team has seen what Jimmer has done in the D-League. Not a single one of them has called him to say, "Come sit on our bench." Not one. Shouldn't they be beating down his door? Or are they ALL too dumb to see how great he is?

The bad players in the NBA are pretty damned good. There are a few players who should have spent a couple more years in college. They get a chance to do that in the D-League. The rest are sparring partners.

100%duncan
12-05-2015, 11:30 AM
Why the fuck does this thread have 99 fucking pages

littlecoyotecoin
12-05-2015, 11:53 AM
Why the fuck does this thread have 99 fucking pages

Thanks for keeping it going.

will_spurs
12-05-2015, 01:01 PM
Expectations for Jimmer are way high, and I think that's killing his chances in the NBA. As has been pointed out in this thread, some really bad players get playing time in the NBA and contribute very little, but it's not really an option for somebody as famous as Jimmer.

Boomersgold
12-05-2015, 01:20 PM
Expectations for Jimmer are way high, and I think that's killing his chances in the NBA. As has been pointed out in this thread, some really bad players get playing time in the NBA and contribute very little, but it's not really an option for somebody as famous as Jimmer.

People forget he was above Austin Rivers in the rotation when they were both on the Pelicans. The only reason Rivers is in the NBA and Jimmer's not is because one of them has a dad who coaches in the NBA and just happens to be the general manager for his team. I think Jimmer's definitely NBA calibre, a decent third string guard at his worst and a serviceable backup scoring guard at his best.

ChumpDumper
12-05-2015, 01:26 PM
At the behest of Chumpdumper, here's Jimmer putting a whooping on Ray McCallum and company (Jimmer Game #3):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEpl1RrrRB8lol you didn't watch it.

Spurtacular
12-05-2015, 04:51 PM
lol you didn't watch it.

I did. Stream's messed up; but not my problem.


Doesn't show whole game

Yea, the good stuff didn't come through. The other two games in NY were good quality. This Austin one wasn't for some reason. The next one will hopefully be up to standards.

Spurtacular
12-05-2015, 05:00 PM
If it did, it would show Jimmer chucking 2/7, 29% from three point land. Supposedly his strong suit. And, 41% overall. This all vs D-league competition. Not impressive at all.

His 9 assists were this chucker's only saving grace. But, he's played with them a few games now.

He had a better game, statistically, than Ray in Ray's first game down there. But, in the actual NBA this year, Ray is shooting .455 from the field, no threes but he was making them at a good clip in the pre-season. No worse than Jimmer's 2/7 last night, or Jimmer's 18% in the NBA last season. Ray will not be asked to light it up, but he already is proving at least as efficient in the NBA as Jimmer was in the D-league last night.

Add to that, he can actually defend his man a little bit, and it's perfectly understandable why he got the nod over Jimmer.

Can we add it's only Ray's 3rd season, while this is Jimmer's 5th or 6th?

28.5 ppg, 6.7 asts, 4.7 reb, 3.3 stls, 50.8 FG, 90.9 FT, 35.7 3FG in Jimmer's 3 games with Westchester.

And you're insane if you think Ray can shoot 3's better than Jimmer.

ChumpDumper
12-05-2015, 07:09 PM
28.5 ppg, 6.7 asts, 4.7 reb, 3.3 stls, 50.8 FG, 90.9 FT, 35.7 3FG in Jimmer's 3 games with Westchester.

And you're insane if you think Ray can shoot 3's better than Jimmer.I think Ray can play an NBA role better than Jimmer.

I can't remember a white player less willing to or capable of playing a team game.

cd98
12-05-2015, 07:24 PM
Not sure why you are arguing. Both are fringe NBA players at best. So is Simmons. Jimmer will be back in the NBA later this year. All it takes is an injury. He's just biding his time and working on his game.

BillMc
12-05-2015, 07:37 PM
1 page to go! :lol

apalisoc_9
12-05-2015, 07:47 PM
I thought this was already 100 pages :lol

Spurtacular
12-05-2015, 08:38 PM
Jimmer's 4th game live in progress....

http://dleague.nba.com/games/20151205/WESOKL/

(http://dleague.nba.com/games/20151205/WESOKL/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BwBxGvMdvA

Jimmer not doing well through one and one-third quarters. I'll probably watch it on replay later though, as Spurs and C's is on now....

Vito Corleone
12-06-2015, 04:06 AM
Okay, I'm just here hoping this post is the #1 post on page 100

Damn :bang

Lostwingman
12-06-2015, 05:06 AM
Everytime Spurtacular makes a post for Jimmer I can't help but mentally add on to his posts "#Justice4Jimmer".

playbonner15
12-06-2015, 07:00 AM
#JusticeForJimmer #CantRustleMyJimmers

Boomersgold
12-06-2015, 08:28 AM
So close to 100.

Boomersgold
12-06-2015, 08:30 AM
Uhmmm.....Jimmer>Rivers?

tholdren
12-06-2015, 09:04 AM
I think Ray can play an NBA role better than Jimmer.

I can't remember a white player less willing to or capable of playing a team game.

dan schayes

Canyonero
12-06-2015, 09:11 AM
4 posts left.

littlecoyotecoin
12-06-2015, 10:26 AM
28.5 ppg, 6.7 asts, 4.7 reb, 3.3 stls, 50.8 FG, 90.9 FT, 35.7 3FG in Jimmer's 3 games with Westchester.

And you're insane if you think Ray can shoot 3's better than Jimmer.

I just stated some facts. If you think the facts make it sound like Ray is a better three point shooter than Jimmer, that is telling. But, you drew that conclusion from those facts not me. Last year, in the NBA, Ray was over 30% from 3. Jimmer was 18%. That's a fact. The other night, Jimmer was 2/7. 29%, in the D-league. Just a couple of facts.

Mugen
12-06-2015, 10:51 AM
What a terrific thread, OP :toast

Spurtacular
12-06-2015, 03:27 PM
I just stated some facts. If you think the facts make it sound like Ray is a better three point shooter than Jimmer, that is telling. But, you drew that conclusion from those facts not me. Last year, in the NBA, Ray was over 30% from 3. Jimmer was 18%. That's a fact. The other night, Jimmer was 2/7. 29%, in the D-league. Just a couple of facts.

Do I have to tell you that 'facts' don't always tell the reality, or do you plan on persisting with the nonsense that McCallum is a better three shooter than Jimmer?

Spurtacular
12-06-2015, 03:29 PM
dan schayes

:lol

Good call.

Mel_13
12-06-2015, 03:36 PM
100 pages and going strong.

Mugen
12-06-2015, 03:37 PM
I'm glad it was you, Mel. :cry

Mel_13
12-06-2015, 03:41 PM
:lol

Just wanted to be part of GOAT thread.

Dex
12-06-2015, 04:06 PM
We did it SpursTalk!.....again!!! :elephant :lol

jeebus
12-06-2015, 04:22 PM
This thread ain't shit til it reaches page 100....on 100 posts per page. Right now, we're sitting on page 30. Keep it up, faggots.

ElNono
12-06-2015, 04:35 PM
OP is a faggot, tbh...

:cry my humble contribution towards 200 pages :cry

random21
12-06-2015, 04:40 PM
This thread sucks...Shut it down

Canyonero
12-06-2015, 07:02 PM
16 to the rafters.

Lostwingman
12-06-2015, 07:10 PM
This thread sucks...Shut it down

Not until Jimmer takes his talents across an ocean.

Seventyniner
12-06-2015, 09:56 PM
If three-point shooting was all that mattered, Steve Novak would be in the Hall of Fame. Just sayin'.

Spurtacular
12-06-2015, 11:47 PM
If three-point shooting was all that mattered, Steve Novak would be in the Hall of Fame. Just sayin'.

Haven't seen anyone saying Jimmer should be in the HOF. But a 30 for 30 down the road?

Spurtacular
12-07-2015, 06:54 AM
Newest Jimmer Interview (Link) (http://hoopshype.com/2015/12/06/jimmer-fredette-theres-players-that-need-a-little-longer-to-find-their-niche/)

littlecoyotecoin
12-07-2015, 08:52 AM
If three-point shooting was all that mattered, Steve Novak would be in the Hall of Fame. Just sayin'.

And, it's supposed to be his strong suit. Like Austin Daye. When you can't do the thing that you were most brought in to do, knock down a three, it amplifies all of your other weaknesses. The fact that McCallum is even giving Jimmer a run for his money in the shooting department is really bad news for Jimmer. Ray is NOT supposed to be a shooter. He's a quicker, more defensively minded young kid that can handle the ball. Wasn't really brought in to shoot. Yet, he outshot Jimmer by a long margin from 3 last year, and Jimmer is still chucking 2/7 from 3 in the D-league. In no way shape or form can this be spun as a positive for Jimmer. And, I was someone that was rooting for Daye. If he could have been a knockdown shooter, he would have been intriguing. If Jimmer can't shoot, he's even less interesting than Austin Daye. Daye was 6'11", protected the rim a little, rebounded a little, handled the ball well for his size, could pass well, and had the potential to draw bigs outside. But. He shot 33% from 3 and even that wasn't good enough for a big. Jimmer didn't even sniff 20% last year and he's a SHOOTING GUARD.

Jimmer can't shoot, can't defend, is a tweener. Too slow to guard point guards, too small to guard shooting guards, and is developing a reputation for being a diva. Some think he'll get picked up later in the season when an injury occurs, but who cares. He'll ride the pine and make little contribution. I doubt they're right at all. I will be surprised if he even makes a bench.

ceperez
12-07-2015, 09:01 AM
And, it's supposed to be his strong suit. Like Austin Daye. When you can't do the thing that you were most brought in to do, knock down a three, it amplifies all of your other weaknesses. The fact that McCallum is even giving Jimmer a run for his money in the shooting department is really bad news for Jimmer. Ray is NOT supposed to be a shooter. He's a quicker, more defensively minded young kid that can handle the ball. Wasn't really brought in to shoot. Yet, he outshot Jimmer by a long margin from 3 last year, and Jimmer is still chucking 2/7 from 3 in the D-league. In no way shape or form can this be spun as a positive for Jimmer. And, I was someone that was rooting for Daye. If he could have been a knockdown shooter, he would have been intriguing. If Jimmer can't shoot, he's even less interesting than Austin Daye. Daye was 6'11", protected the rim a little, rebounded a little, handled the ball well for his size, could pass well, and had the potential to draw bigs outside. But. He shot 33% from 3 and even that wasn't good enough for a big. Jimmer didn't even sniff 20% last year and he's a SHOOTING GUARD.

Jimmer can't shoot, can't defend, is a tweener. Too slow to guard point guards, too small to guard shooting guards, and is developing a reputation for being a diva. Some think he'll get picked up later in the season when an injury occurs, but who cares. He'll ride the pine and make little contribution. I doubt they're right at all. I will be surprised if he even makes a bench.

I agree. That's the ugly truth. If 6'11" Daye couldn't make it in the league, then a 6'2" Fredette certainly won't make it.

Jarel Eddie is 6'7" and shooting 50+% from 3 in d-league. He hasn't made it either.

Spurs are beginning to realize that you can train a player to shoot a high 3 point percentage (see: Bowen, Green, Leonard) but you can't train defensive ability.

littlecoyotecoin
12-07-2015, 09:13 AM
I agree. That's the ugly truth. If 6'11" Daye couldn't make it in the league, then a 6'2" Fredette certainly won't make it.

Jarel Eddie is 6'7" and shooting 50+% from 3 in d-league. He hasn't made it either.

Spurs are beginning to realize that you can train a player to shoot a high 3 point percentage (see: Bowen, Green, Leonard) but you can't train defensive ability.

to be fair...Jimmer appears to have gotten above 40% now in the D-league, but how far will that drop off vs NBA competition? Maybe he can do it in Italy. Daye just signed in italy.