Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Why the fuck do we have a 51-page thread on a player who won't even make the team?

His contract is guarantee until January, so I think he will make the team and we will see him in action early in the season. Question is, can Chip fix his shooting mechanics to get a quicker release as well as Pop coaching him up to be a better defender (not saying he is going to become great, just avg. would be an improvement).

[Chinook]

His contract is guarantee until January, so I think he will make the team and we will see him in action early in the season. Question is, can Chip fix his shooting mechanics to get a quicker release as well as Pop coaching him up to be a better defender (not saying he is going to become great, just avg. would be an improvement).

His contract is not guaranteed through a certain date. He's guaranteed a certain amount of money. Those are completely different things. The Spurs will cut him whenever they feel he deserves to be cut, whether that's in camp, never or somewhere in between. The only critical dates for him are 12/15 and 1/10, because that's when he can be traded, (which the Spurs would prefer to do over cutting him), and when all contracts become guaranteed for the rest of the season.

[DPG21920]

Spoke with someone in the Spurs that said its not out of the realm of possibility that we see Jimmer in Austin

[cd98]

Spoke with someone in the Spurs that said its not out of the realm of possibility that we see Jimmer in Austin

Unlike a lot of NBA players that were lottery picks, I think he would do that to learn the offense. Maybe see if he can play some minutes at PG with some work at that position in the D-League.

[Darius Bieber]

Spoke with someone in the Spurs that said its not out of the realm of possibility that we see Jimmer in Austin

I honestly would support this idea and I'm glad that Jimmer would take that opportunity. It shows he's willing to work to reach the top-level, even if he was a Top-10 pick.

[ElNono]

Spoke with someone in the Spurs that said its not out of the realm of possibility that we see Jimmer in Austin

IIRC, him and the union would have to agree with it...

[DPG21920]

IIRC, him and the union would have to agree with it...

They didn't lead me to believe it was likely/certain, just that it's not out of the realm of possiblity. Seemed like if that was the best course, there would not be an issue.

[Robz4000]

:wow Damn, 51 pages?

[SAGirl]

:wow Damn, 51 pages?
Off-season, not much to talk about. I stay out of all the player bashing and the general trolling. I am happy w LMA being who he is, I liked him a lot even b4 joining the spurs, so I have no issue with him wanting to take shots. Have no issue with Kawhi hulking up and having grand ambitions either. Both are max players and you need them both. Team has to rely less on the old big 3.
So, to me there is not much to talk about besides the roles of all these roleplayers. Some are very intriguing and I like guys who are young still and can possibly improve through the season. It's part of why I watch sports, the draft, summer league. Jimmer has been controversial, but I am rooting for him to play well for the spurs. I like Anderson a lot and I hope he is good enough to get the back up SF mins. I like Simmons as well. Boban may be helpful as a legit center prospect to relieve Tim at times. TBH the only guy that I don't like is poor Bonner bc I believe he is done and he holds no promise. There are better, younger guys who I'd rather prefer to see get playing time than him, but if he comes back shooting well, he will be useful.

[Blizzardwizard]

50 pages for a guy who probably won't even make the team and at best would be an end of the bench five minutes in garbage time guy.

Spurstalk :lol

[ceperez]

50 pages for a guy who probably won't even make the team and at best would be an end of the bench five minutes in garbage time guy.

Spurstalk :lol

Going to make garbage time more interesting.

[spurraider21]

Why the fuck do we have a 51-page thread on a player who won't even make the team?
this is why

https://i.gyazo.com/2f53d7954a9752c132398d179a307d00.png

[AFBlue]

this is why

https://i.gyazo.com/2f53d7954a9752c132398d179a307d00.png

Or because he can Dougie

[SPURt]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3270175/jimmer-dance-off-o.gif

[monkeypunk]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3270175/jimmer-dance-off-o.gif

Pop will literally skullfuck him to death if he does that stupid shit on the court.

[playbonner15]

http://i.imgur.com/4f0EIIl.gif

This guy should play Jimmer in his movie

[SPURt]

Not sure if this has been posted, but it's a bleacher report piece:
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2554396-jimmer-fredettes-hoop-dream-gone-wrong-every-day-could-be-your-last

[AFBlue]

Not sure if this has been posted, but it's a bleacher report piece:
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2554396-jimmer-fredettes-hoop-dream-gone-wrong-every-day-could-be-your-last

Hadn't seen it. Good read.

[Spurtacular]

http://isportsweb.com/2015/08/29/san-antonio-spurs-will-jimmer-fredette-make-it/


In his time with the Kings, Jimmer’s performance steadily improved while his playing time dwindled. His 3-point percentage, overall field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and PER all increased from year to year; and his production per 36 minutes in points, assists, and rebounds increased from 14.7, 3.4, and 2.3 respectively in his rookie season, to 18.4, 3.4, and 2.6 in 2012-13, and 18.7, 4.7, and 3.5 in 2013-14. His 3-point percentage in 2013-14 with Sacramento was 49.3. That’s Kyle Korver territory.


The guy will produce on the offensive end, he just needs some continuity, a situation where he can find his role and develop a rhythm in it. He needs a coach who will give him some good time on the court. Sure, he’s not a great defender, but neither is Stephen Curry, neither was Steve Nash. Neither are most guys when they have to guard any one of the plethora of ridiculously athletic, quick point guards in this league who have amazing ball-handling skills and can shoot the lights out. No one can guard those guys. That’s one of the biggest reasons for the “small-ball revolution.” Those kinds of guys are practically un-guardable, and Jimmer has shown himself to be pretty un-guardable at times, also.

[Gladney to see you]

I don't think you can make those comparisons at this point. He can't carry their jock straps at this point. He aspires to be a poor man's curry or nash.

[Spurtacular]

I don't think you can make those comparisons at this point. He can't carry their jock straps at this point. He aspires to be a poor man's curry or nash.

Pretty sure that's not the aspiration. Dude's about to light it up.

[Vito Corleone]

I'm as excited as anyone that he is a Spur and I want him to do well. But the reality is this:

He might light it up, and then again, he might not. I'm going to wait and see before I start to worry about him becoming a all-star.

Between now and then I'm going to hope he just find a role. I'd be happy if he can prove himself to be as good as Steve Kerr was. If he can just be that, then I'm thinking he has a future with the Spurs. In truth that is probably his ceiling, and that is not a bad thing, Steve has 6 rings because he found and his role and never waivered from it.

[tholdren]

Jimmer will be the man to send parker to the bench

[SAGirl]

He will have to hustle or something on defense. He has the same requirement as Anderson, slow or no there are no excuses, he's going to have to defend. I think Kyle will be ok, because while he's challenged one on one, he is a good team defender and understand's pop's schemes and rotations. He also has other tools in his length and size and he knows how to use them, getting loose balls, steals and blocks, recovering into plays with his length. He's worked on his fundamentals and it shows. Jimmer is going to have to do the same with less tools. I think if he could execute Pop's defensive schemes, particularly on pick/n/rolls and such, Pop will find him playing time to get his rhythm. An inability to execute on team defense will see him in Austin Daye territory.

[ElNono]

2nd page? I think not :lol

[cd98]

Dude is making this team. If not for the mostly guaranteed money, then because of his drawing power. I was talking to the Spurs ticket office, and they are saying that they will probably have to dedicate an entire section to BYU fans if he makes the team. I'm guessing they think he is going to generate some big ticket sales. I'm not saying that this is how Pop makes his roster choices, but I'm sure if all things being equal for the 15th roster spot, they Spurs are going to go with the guy that is best for business.

[Spurtacular]

Dude is making this team. If not for the mostly guaranteed money, then because of his drawing power. I was talking to the Spurs ticket office, and they are saying that they will probably have to dedicate an entire section to BYU fans if he makes the team. I'm guessing they think he is going to generate some big ticket sales. I'm not saying that this is how Pop makes his roster choices, but I'm sure if all things being equal for the 15th roster spot, they Spurs are going to go with the guy that is best for business.

Yea, some posters on here were trying to argue luxury tax bla bla. No, Jimmer will be a huge money maker for the Spurs. And that impact should not be overlooked.

[tholdren]

Jimmer starting by January

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer starting by January

I can see it (in the event of TP going out). But my opening hope is that he dresses in enough games and gets some quality minutes especially in games that Parker and/or Ginobili DNP.

[ceperez]

Yea, some posters on here were trying to argue luxury tax bla bla. No, Jimmer will be a huge money maker for the Spurs. And that impact should not be overlooked.

Not sure how that works out.

According to Cuban, league shares the proceeds for Jerseys sold. So it doesn't hit the Spurs bottom line if a lot of Jimmer jerseys are sold.

Regarding arena attendance, Spurs have always had full capacity, so people coming to see Jimmer only really benefits ticket scalpers.

More fans from Utah watching NBA Live? Well don't know how profits are distributed, but hopefully money goes to team with more viewers (now that you can choose your team in NBA live).

[Spurtacular]

Not sure how that works out.

According to Cuban, league shares the proceeds for Jerseys sold. So it doesn't hit the Spurs bottom line if a lot of Jimmer jerseys are sold.

Regarding arena attendance, Spurs have always had full capacity, so people coming to see Jimmer only really benefits ticket scalpers.

More fans from Utah watching NBA Live? Well don't know how profits are distributed, but hopefully money goes to team with more viewers (now that you can choose your team in NBA live).

Re Jerseys: I know the individual players get a cut. I believe that the teams get a cut of jersey sales, especially since its often their own employees selling them. Perhaps, the cut is on jerseys collectively sold or just through NBA dot com; but I'm sure the NBA wants to reward individual teams' marketing and operations and not divvy it up the same for efficient teams and inefficient teams. But jersey sales is only one part of the equation.

Ratings will be up not just nationally (I don't know how national cuts work, tbh); but also regional ratings will be way up. Plenty of Jimmer followers in Texas tuning in.

Re Tickets: Yes, perhaps games would have sold out either way. But the team gets a larger cut on resales that are priced higher. Jimmer creates huge demand there.

[Spurtacular]

dun made me laugh

Come on, Apalisoc.

I know you learned your lesson on trashing Kawhi early only to jump on his rod after the fact. But have some balls and put your chips on the table or fold on Jimmer now. Spare us your lame ass sock. Just cos you wanna hold out for a possible play Jimmer over Parker thread down the line is no excuse not to man up instead of hiding in the shadows like a p***y.

Do it now. Don't be a wussy bandwagon guy later.

[callo1]

I think the kid had to go through a phase and be humbled...he has done that. It isn't like he has played for a great coach yet. Thibs was the closest to great, but Thibs and his moronic rotations were terrible. In Sac it was hard to get shots at times between having Gay and Cousins on the floor. Put him with a 2nd unit and his role will be perfect, as long as he can fit in with the Spurs way of moving the ball. Teams MUST honor his shooting, so that alone is huge for a second unit that will be post play challenged.

Shooters need to shoot, and you know Pop will make him shoot. We all remember how when Finley, and Brent came to the Spurs the first year, they were afraid to shoot. Pop kept telling them to shoot, but they were reluctant and thus had poor first years in the Silver and Black. Each improved the second year.

I think he will make it.

[Gladney to see you]

First Tebow...Jimmer next.

[Spurtacular]

U ARE WRONG
RAY OVER JIMMER ANY SECONDS
JIMMER CAN'T EVEN GET A STARTER ROLE ON A LOTTERY KINGS

Say it with your real screen name, Apalisoc. Don't be trying to cherry pick on Jimmer later. I'm calling you out now; no passes later.

[ceperez]

Re Jerseys: I know the individual players get a cut. I believe that the teams get a cut of jersey sales, especially since its often their own employees selling them. Perhaps, the cut is on jerseys collectively sold or just through NBA dot com; but I'm sure the NBA wants to reward individual teams' marketing and operations and not divvy it up the same for efficient teams and inefficient teams. But jersey sales is only one part of the equation.

Ratings will be up not just nationally (I don't know how national cuts work, tbh); but also regional ratings will be way up. Plenty of Jimmer followers in Texas tuning in.

Re Tickets: Yes, perhaps games would have sold out either way. But the team gets a larger cut on resales that are priced higher. Jimmer creates huge demand there.

I am just telling you want Mark Cuban said. It appears a NBA team doesn't benefit from jersey sales if they have a popular player. Strange, but that's just how it is.

Usually the team that makes money of TV viewing is the host team (just like for games).

I don't think the team gets a cut on resales.... maybe on hot dogs, but doesn't matter if the stadium is full anyway.

The only benefit of taking a player based on popularity is for a team that doesn't fill up their stadium.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Spurs want to sign a player to make more revenue they would get another Chinese dude.

[Spurtacular]

I am just telling you want Mark Cuban said. It appears a NBA team doesn't benefit from jersey sales if they have a popular player. Strange, but that's just how it is.

Usually the team that makes money of TV viewing is the host team (just like for games).

I don't think the team gets a cut on resales.... maybe on hot dogs, but doesn't matter if the stadium is full anyway.

The only benefit of taking a player based on popularity is for a team that doesn't fill up their stadium.

No. Teams get revenues on ticket resales; and I think you've not fully understood Cuban. Of course teams get revenues on jersey sales. And the potential ratings boost matters.

[Gladney to see you]

Spurs specific

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINpCgfJUgA

[Birn]

Damn!

[Spursmania]

Keep it rolling...

[Spurtacular]

Spurs specific

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINpCgfJUgA

Sweet. Got his 3 pt. shot working again; and as I said, he's a great 2 shooter too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINpCgfJUgA

[Cloud786]

Is it just me or does he travel EVERY time in the transition pull up? I'm counting 3 on each one (3 minute mark)

[benefactor]

Ever watch Bonner drain threes in practice?

Ok, then.

[cd98]

Is it just me or does he travel EVERY time in the transition pull up? I'm counting 3 on each one (3 minute mark)

No, he doesn't travel.

[Spurtacular]

Is it just me or does he travel EVERY time in the transition pull up? I'm counting 3 on each one (3 minute mark)

It's you. On the third of five shots he has an awkward stutter; but those aren't travels.

[cd98]

Ever watch Bonner drain threes in practice?

Ok, then.

Yes, but Bonner is on the team. I think the point is that he makes the team, not that he's an all star or even in the rotation. Heck Bonner was a starter at one point for the Spurs.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The only thing that makes Bonner a viable NBA player is that he is 6'10" 230, AND shoots the three. Jimmer is not a mismatch in the same way at his position. He may be useful, but the Bonner comparison falls flat.

[Spurtacular]

Yes, but Bonner is on the team. I think the point is that he makes the team, not that he's an all star or even in the rotation. Heck Bonner was a starter at one point for the Spurs.

Jimmer will get significant minutes during the season, imo.

[TheDoctor]

this is why

https://i.gyazo.com/2f53d7954a9752c132398d179a307d00.png

So, a quarter of Spurtacular's posts are in this thread. Interesting. He must be Jimmer's secret fan or something. Who in the fuck waste that much of posts in this scrub?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Jimmer will get significant minutes during the season, imo.

Well, Tebow was cut, so it's Jimmer's chance to keep the dream alive!

[Spurtacular]

Well, Tebow was cut, so it's Jimmer's chance to keep the dream alive!

I never did like Tebow in college; but I started to root for him in the pros when I saw that he was exposing close minded bitches.

[ElNono]

Interesting about that vid is that I remember Kawhi also working out in Billups gym a year or two ago... guess it's one of those go to places for pro ballers...

[Spurtacular]

So, a quarter of Spurtacular's posts are in this thread. Interesting. He must be Jimmer's secret fan or something. Who in the fuck waste that much of posts in this scrub?

Check the stats. I was a ST member before Jimmer signed. And you're a scrub, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Come on, Apalisoc.

I know you learned your lesson on trashing Kawhi early only to jump on his rod after the fact. But have some balls and put your chips on the table or fold on Jimmer now. Spare us your lame ass sock. Just cos you wanna hold out for a possible play Jimmer over Parker thread down the line is no excuse not to man up instead of hiding in the shadows like a p***y.

Do it now. Don't be a wussy bandwagon guy later.


Apalisoc_9

Forgot his apparent drone number. Now it's in your mentions alerts, bitch; no excuse to not weigh in.

[TheDoctor]

Check the stats. I was a ST member before Jimmer signed. And you're a scrub, tbh.

Check the stats... You have 1000+ alltime posts and 250+/- of those are in this thread. You dont need to hide, so, stop that bullshit dude and stop making excuses. You're a Jimmer's fan and that's all. You took it as it was a bad thing. Are you ashamed coming out of Jimmer's fanclub closet?

[Spurtacular]

Check the stats... You have 1000+ alltime posts and 250+/- of those are in this thread. You dont need to hide, so, stop that bullshit dude and stop making excuses. You're a Jimmer's fan and that's all. You took it as it was a bad thing. Are you ashamed coming out of Jimmer's fanclub closet?

Never said I wasn't a fan. I was speaking to some of your seeming implications.

Also, your ratio point is invalid b/c I have been among the most active posters non-Jimmer threads.

[ChumpDumper]

So basically your shtick is white knighting white players, especially religious ones.

[dbestpro]

Has a consistent shot with shoulders square to the basket, just like you teach it. The problem is, at least in the video, he takes way too long to get his shot off. It looks to be around 2 seconds or longer once the ball is in his hands. Even in practice, he needs to work on getting that down to 1.2 or lower.

[Spurtacular]

I can live with the release based upon his percentage/range. But he definitely could stand to learn different release points to maximize his threat level / ability to get shots off.

[tholdren]

jimmer will be better than kl

[benefactor]

This will be a fun bump tbh

[tholdren]

Jimmer is already better than half of the Spurs team. He was a better pickup than LMA

[AFBlue]

Why is everyone tearing into Spurtacular? This is basically the de facto "Church of" thread for Jimmer, and the guy is entitled to his opinion. If you're annoyed by it, then don't come into the thread. It's that simple. At least he's not Apo-style spamming the forum with multiple hate-filled threads on a particular player.

[Darius Bieber]

Can't be worse than Ayres taking up a roster spot.

[hater]

:lmao this fucking scrub will be back in the Mexican league in less than a week :lol

[Chinook]

This will be a fun bump tbh

I don't think you can call it a bump if it never leaves the first page.

[TheDoctor]

Never said I wasn't a fan. I was speaking to some of your seeming implications.

Also, your ratio point is invalid b/c I have been among the most active posters non-Jimmer threads.

You admitted you're a Jimmer fan. So, that basically put you over the "fan" connotation because who in hell will accept being a Jimmer's fan? That put you right on the family/religious group. You a racist mormon too? Simple questions, don't need to start an issue about it.

[hater]

This bum.wilk be back to scrubbing toilets by october

[Ice009]

Has a consistent shot with shoulders square to the basket, just like you teach it. The problem is, at least in the video, he takes way too long to get his shot off. It looks to be around 2 seconds or longer once the ball is in his hands. Even in practice, he needs to work on getting that down to 1.2 or lower.

Yep, that is why Bonner sucks in games. He has such a slow release. In an empty gym or on the practice floor, Bonner is a magnificent shooter, but when you need to get your shot off quick that is where Bonner struggles in live games with his accuracy. I remember a couple of seasons ago where I read that he was trying to speed up his release. I can't remember if it was during an off-season or not, but I do recall him making it a priority. So obviously Bonner knows it's a problem and he has tried working on it in the past. I can't remember how many years ago it was that I read that. I'm thinking it was 1-2 years ago. I'm also thinking he somehow got worse in games since he made that a priority ;).

I also saw a video within the past year where Steph Curry said - "I want to practice to the point of where it's almost uncomfortable how fast you shoot so that in a game things kind of slow down". After hearing him say that it kind of changed my thoughts quite a lot on practicing shooting.

[Gladney to see you]

Is he a guy that gets his shot swatted though. Haven't seen a lot of sample to know?

[Chinook]

Yep, that is why Bonner sucks in games. He has such a slow release. In an empty gym or on the practice floor, Bonner is a magnificent shooter, but when you need to get your shot off quick that is where Bonner struggles in live games with his accuracy. I remember a couple of seasons ago where I read that he was trying to speed up his release. I can't remember if it was during an off-season or not, but I do recall him making it a priority. So obviously Bonner knows it's a problem and he has tried working on it in the past. I can't remember how many years ago it was that I read that. I'm thinking it was 1-2 years ago. I'm also thinking he somehow got worse in games since he made that a priority ;).

I also saw a video within the past year where Steph Curry said - "I want to practice to the point of where it's almost uncomfortable how fast you shoot so that in a game things kind of slow down". After hearing him say that it kind of changed my thoughts quite a lot on practicing shooting.

As it should. What people often don't seem to understand about shooting is that being open isn't just a place. Rather, it's a sliding segment in space and time. So speeding up the release lengthens the window of time a player is open and thusly decreases the amount of distance a player has to be away from his man for him to be available for the pass.

Jimmer's slow release (and low release combined with his lack of height) requires him to be farther from his man than normal, which is why is range has to be so insane to work. The upshot is that his long-threes really don't provide better spacing for the offense, since his many can contest his shots while still being able to help inside the arc. If someone like Eddie had Jimmer's range, his man would probably not be able to step inside the three-line.

The reason why it works for Bonner as much as it does is because he plays the four, so slower guys are guarding him. Slower guys=more time to shoot=less space required to get shot off=better spacing for the team. Now that teams are becoming better at defending the three and bigs are getting smaller and more agile, Bonner's window to be open is shrinking.

[AFBlue]

Is he a guy that gets his shot swatted though. Haven't seen a lot of sample to know?

This was addressed 30-40 pages back. In short, there's no statistical evidence to suggest he got his shot swatted more than others at his position. This is in spite of the shot mechanic nazis insisting he must change his shot to be successful in the NBA.

[Chinook]

This was addressed 30-40 pages back. In short, there's no statistical evidence to suggest he got his shot swatted more than others at his position. This is in spite of the shot mechanic nazis insisting he must change his shot to be successful in the NBA.

:rolleyes Just ignore the underwhelming (at best) 3PT% and his awful team-offensive numbers and pretend like his form isn't an issue.

[AFBlue]

:rolleyes Just ignore the underwhelming (at best) 3PT% and his awful team-offensive numbers and pretend like his form isn't an issue.


Poor spacing, poor execution leading to late shot clock heaves...see I can postulate based on absolutely nothing as well.

[ceperez]

As it should. What people often don't seem to understand about shooting is that being open isn't just a place. Rather, it's a sliding segment in space and time. So speeding up the release lengthens the window of time a player is open and thusly decreases the amount of distance a player has to be away from his man for him to be available for the pass.

Jimmer's slow release (and low release combined with his lack of height) requires him to be farther from his man than normal, which is why is range has to be so insane to work. The upshot is that his long-threes really don't provide better spacing for the offense, since his many can contest his shots while still being able to help inside the arc. If someone like Eddie had Jimmer's range, his man would probably not be able to step inside the three-line.

The reason why it works for Bonner as much as it does is because he plays the four, so slower guys are guarding him. Slower guys=more time to shoot=less space required to get shot off=better spacing for the team. Now that teams are becoming better at defending the three and bigs are getting smaller and more agile, Bonner's window to be open is shrinking.

What do you make of Steph Curry's release? I think he release the ball before he even is near the peak of his jump. This differs from Jimmer where the ball is released while he's already falling from his peak.

I think Curry has broken all the rules as to how to take a jump shot. He's figured out a way to get off his shot with just a fraction of a second of day light. However, I think he's been exposed by Delevedova. If he's crowded and if you keep your hands up, he can't get his shot off because it really isn't a jump shot!

[Kawhitstorm]

However, I think he's been exposed by Delevedova. If he's crowded and if you keep your hands up, he can't get his shot off because it really isn't a jump shot!

The thing is the refs won't let defenders breath on him during the regular season (maybe except Lebron) otherwise that has always been the blue print against Curry. Lebron actually played him well during the regular season matchup by bodying him up which is something Danny also tries to do against Curry.

[Spurtacular]

You admitted you're a Jimmer fan. So, that basically put you over the "fan" connotation because who in hell will accept being a Jimmer's fan? That put you right on the family/religious group. You a racist mormon too? Simple questions, don't need to start an issue about it.

Keep reaching, bro.

[Spurtacular]

Why is everyone tearing into Spurtacular? This is basically the de facto "Church of" thread for Jimmer, and the guy is entitled to his opinion. If you're annoyed by it, then don't come into the thread. It's that simple. At least he's not Apo-style spamming the forum with multiple hate-filled threads on a particular player.

I had the same exact thought the other day. I ain't spamming the board. If someone doesn't like me having a pro-Jimmer view, that's really their problem; not mine.

[AFBlue]

I had the same exact thought the other day. I ain't spamming the board. If someone doesn't like me having a pro-Jimmer view, that's really their problem; not mine.

Good attitude to have tbqh. As benefactor said, this will be a good bump in a few months. There's no shortage of opinions on either side, so I'm sure there will be plenty of crow-eating at some point. Until then, you just keep on preachin and ask yourself WWJ(immer)D?

[Chinook]

Poor spacing, poor execution leading to late shot clock heaves...see I can postulate based on absolutely nothing as well.

Which is also partially his fault. Again, you've made no argument other than saying other people don't have proof that he gets blocked more often. But it's obvious that his release is a problem, seeing as he hasn't been a consistent shooter despite the fact that he has plenty of range and is crazy accurate in an open gym.

That you simply don't understand shooting mechanics and how they affect a person's game is in no way a legitimate standing point. Jimmer clearly hasn't been an effective floor-spacer in the NBA so far. He has personally been a very poor offensive player when it comes to impacting his team. That you don't want to admit that just suggests you're lazy and don't want to think for yourself.

[cd98]

Which is also partially his fault. Again, you've made no argument other than saying other people don't have proof that he gets blocked more often. But it's obvious that his release is a problem, seeing as he hasn't been a consistent shooter despite the fact that he has plenty of range and is crazy accurate in an open gym.

That you simply don't understand shooting mechanics and how they affect a person's game is in no way a legitimate standing point. Jimmer clearly hasn't been an effective floor-spacer in the NBA so far. He has personally been a very poor offensive player when it comes to impacting his team. That you don't want to admit that just suggests you're lazy and don't want to think for yourself.

You do know that he has shot as high as 50% from three and has a high career three point average? He had a bad shooting year last year. But he's been a top shooter prior to last year. His lack of success is not based on his shot, it's based on his defense. I see him get his shot off just fine against legit defenders. Besides, it's not like opposing coaches will put their best defender on Jimmer.

[Chinook]

You do know that he has shot as high as 50% from three and has a high career three point average? He had a bad shooting year last year. But he's been a top shooter prior to last year. His lack of success is not based on his shot, it's based on his defense. I see him get his shot off just fine against legit defenders. Besides, it's not like opposing coaches will put their best defender on Jimmer.

[Chinook]

WTF? I posted a detailed reply to this, and it didn't save.

The gist was that even in Jimmer's highlights, he shows he's a poor spot-up shooter. Some of his attempts are 30-plus feet from the basket, and his release is letting guys contest his shot when they start from the paint or corner. Him having such a poor impact on offense statistically backs that up.

He's better with the ball than people give him credit for, and that makes him a decent one-on-one scorer. But if he's going to be a spot-up guy in the Spurs' system, he faces an uphill battle. At best, he could be Beli 2.0, but that undersells Marco's other offensive attributes. Jimmer will need the ball in his hands to generate the looks he's famous for (and isn't the cutter Marco is), and I don't see that happening in a normal Spurs game.

[monkeypunk]

WTF? I posted a detailed reply to this, and it didn't save.

The gist was that even in Jimmer's highlights, he shows he's a poor spot-up shooter. Some of his attempts are 30-plus feet from the basket, and his release is letting guys contest his shot when they start from the paint or corner. Him having such a poor impact on offense statistically backs that up.

He's better with the ball than people give him credit for, and that makes him a decent one-on-one scorer. But if he's going to be a spot-up guy in the Spurs' system, he faces an uphill battle. At best, he could be Beli 2.0, but that undersells Marco's other offensive attributes. Jimmer will need the ball in his hands to generate the looks he's famous for (and isn't the cutter Marco is), and I don't see that happening in a normal Spurs game.

Totally agree with Chinook on this one. Jimmer has a flawed shot that he has compensated for by shooting from way way outside the 3 point line to avoid being blocked. He has a bit of ball handling game but he obviously doesn't have the existing skillset to compensate for playing on the pro level against crazy athletes.

He can succeed here but needs to live with Chip for the first few months he's here to adjust that hitch in his shot and reinvent it otherwise he's an early cut.

If he can take the humbling experience of being torn down and rebuilt then he is could be "a spurs guy". If his ego can't take it then best of luck with him and his new Euro career.

[Kawhitstorm]

The more I look at it, Jimmer shoots on his way down ala Blake Griffin except Jimmer has more elevation on his shot & has a quicker release.

[AFBlue]

Which is also partially his fault. Again, you've made no argument other than saying other people don't have proof that he gets blocked more often. But it's obvious that his release is a problem, seeing as he hasn't been a consistent shooter despite the fact that he has plenty of range and is crazy accurate in an open gym.

That you simply don't understand shooting mechanics and how they affect a person's game is in no way a legitimate standing point. Jimmer clearly hasn't been an effective floor-spacer in the NBA so far. He has personally been a very poor offensive player when it comes to impacting his team. That you don't want to admit that just suggests you're lazy and don't want to think for yourself.

Just because you state the correlation is obvious doesn't make it true. And whether I understand shot mechanics has nothing to do with the fact that you simply can't prove your assertion. You're the one who made the assumption around why he hasn't shot well as a professional, not me. Why do I have to do anything to prove your assertion false when you can't definitively prove it true. It's not laziness, I'm just not the one with the burden of proof.

[Brian Windhorst]

Hey everyone, let's all have REALLY STRONG OPINIONS about the 15th man that we haven't seen in a Spurs uni yet

Oh, and let's ARGUE about them

[Chinook]

And whether I understand shot mechanics has nothing to do with the fact that you simply can't prove your assertion.

That's where you're messing up. I don't have to prove that point. This isn't a trial or even a debate. I stated my belief based on his play and his form. You've brought nothing but "You don't know that for sure." There's isn't really a back and forth. It doesn't matter if you want to believe the Earth is flat simply because you can't look to see it's round yourself. You can look on any video of him in games and see how bad his spot-up game is. I don't have to lead you to water when we're already floating in the ocean.

[AFBlue]

That's where you're messing up. I don't have to prove that point. This isn't a trial or even a debate. I stated my belief based on his play and his form. You've brought nothing but "You don't know that for sure." There's isn't really a back and forth. It doesn't matter if you want to believe the Earth is flat simply because you can't look to see it's round yourself. You can look on any video of him in games and see how bad his spot-up game is. I don't have to lead you to water when we're already floating in the ocean.

Subtle how you continually assert that you're right and I'm wrong (e.g. I'm the flatlander), even though there's no evidence to back it up. :lol check the videos

You're right, it's not a trial. You can go on stating your belief, and I will continue to point out your assertion is devoid of any proof. I'm assuming we'll just have to agree to disagree and move along. To be fair, I was the one that incited the response this time. I'll leave it here.

[AFBlue]

Hey everyone, let's all have REALLY STRONG OPINIONS about the 15th man that we haven't seen in a Spurs uni yet

Oh, and let's ARGUE about them


Is he the 15th man or the 12th man? Reasonable people can disagree.

[FlAVaK]

WTF? I posted a detailed reply to this, and it didn't save.

The gist was that even in Jimmer's highlights, he shows he's a poor spot-up shooter. Some of his attempts are 30-plus feet from the basket, and his release is letting guys contest his shot when they start from the paint or corner. Him having such a poor impact on offense statistically backs that up.

He's better with the ball than people give him credit for, and that makes him a decent one-on-one scorer. But if he's going to be a spot-up guy in the Spurs' system, he faces an uphill battle. At best, he could be Beli 2.0, but that undersells Marco's other offensive attributes. Jimmer will need the ball in his hands to generate the looks he's famous for (and isn't the cutter Marco is), and I don't see that happening in a normal Spurs game.

This thread is like:

http://i.milliyet.com.tr/YeniAnaResim/2011/07/01/fft99_mf1451522.Jpeg

Memories...

[FlAVaK]

Is he the 15th man or the 12th man? Reasonable people can disagree.

:lmao

[cd98]

Agreed that this thread exists bc of summer. I still think it's funny when people say that his form is bad and he is a flawed shooter that can't get his shot off. It's obvious that they have not watched him much in the pros. Jimmer has good form. He squares his arm, spreads his fingers on stance, and his non shooting hand doesn't interfere with his release. He has nice follow through and the ball gets a good spin. That's probably why he has a high career shooting average and has shot as high as 50%. And he's usually guarded by the weaker defenders, so he has had no trouble getting his shot off.

If you want to say he's not a great floor spacer, I'll tell you that you have a crappy sample size. What team has he played on that has great ball movement? He's certainly not a starter in this league, but if the Spurs can hide his defense, he can find a role as a shooter. If he didn't have NBA form, Spurs wouldn't bothered with him. Chip can teach younger more athletic players to shoot. Jimmer wasn't signed so Chip could teach him. He was signed bc he's an NBA-ready shooter. It's the rest of his game that is the problem.

[AFBlue]

:lmao

Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.

[tholdren]

Jimmer better than Kawhi in college and NBA

[SPURt]

Jimmer better than Kawhi in college and NBA
I'll take "Things said to get in a Mormon girls pants" for $500

[Chinook]

Subtle how you continually assert that you're right and I'm wrong (e.g. I'm the flatlander), even though there's no evidence to back it up. :lol check the videos

You're right, it's not a trial. You can go on stating your belief, and I will continue to point out your assertion is devoid of any proof. I'm assuming we'll just have to agree to disagree and move along. To be fair, I was the one that incited the response this time. I'll leave it here.

This is why I compared you to a flatearther. The vids and everything else show a guy who's a terrible floor-spacing but who at his best can create decently off the dribble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqqfwk3I7Q (didn't want to make it two-post response, so I'll just leave the link)

One spot-up attempt in that who vid where he got his shot off without having to reset, and he missed the contested look. His man was way overhelping in the paint and still got out to him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9oDGyLDhU

Same thing here. The shot of the vid is Jimmer's only spot-up attempt where he didn't have to reset, and he missed because he guy got back out to him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA_lCr21nUM

First play of this vid is a successful spot-up by Jimmer. And he's like 30 feet away from the basket and still gets contested. He gets two wide-open threes from the far corner later on the vid, and he splits them. Almost all of his plays involved him driving. He hardly got any room to get a shot off, even though he was being played loosely most of the game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc22SZs2Yw

Last vid is just pure highlights. His only spot-up attempt is from 30 feet away, and Melo runs all the way from the baseline to contest.

Jimmer is NOT a spot-up shooter. Anyone with eyes can see that. And anyone with critical evaluation skills can see why. He keeps getting run off the line if he's anywhere near normal three-point range. He only gets open looks otherwise if he's the beneficiary of busted defense (guys under the basket and getting caught on back screens. His game in the pros has been mostly inside the arc, which is fine in a one-on-one context. But it dramatically diminishes his value to a team that doesn't need playmaking from him. He also has a tendency to take bad shots (meaning off-balance long twos) because he gets run off the line so much.

It's no wonder he has a net-negative OBPM (-.2) and an anemic career ORtg (102). He has to dominate the ball to be successful, and he isn't good enough with the ball in his hands to warrant a decent team to give him the keys to the offense. These are things I should NOT have to show you. You're the one who's the Jimmer fan -- you should know his strengths and weaknesses. Instead, you tried to hide behind a false burden of proof when the null is clearly that Jimmer isn't an NBA-caliber player.

[cd98]

Chinook, what proof do you have that the ball movement was getting Jimmer wide open looks? All the clips show defenders mostly stating home on him. And the ball movement in Sac, NO, and ESP in Chicago have never produced the same open looks Mills and Green get with the Spurs. And even sometimes defenders close out on them. If you had clips of only when Green and Mills were chased off the three point line,you'd be making the same claim about them. Spurs aren't going to sign a shooter to that kind of guaranteed money if they don't think he can space the floor. And I disagree that he doesn't space. Lots of defenders were staying home with him and we're getting burned when they didn't.

[Kawhitstorm]

Has a consistent shot with shoulders square to the basket, just like you teach it. The problem is, at least in the video, he takes way too long to get his shot off. It looks to be around 2 seconds or longer once the ball is in his hands. Even in practice, he needs to work on getting that down to 1.2 or lower.

The only guard w/ a slower release is Ricky Rubio & he's a set shooter.

[Chinook]

Chinook, what proof do you have that the ball movement was getting Jimmer wide open looks? All the clips show defenders mostly stating home on him. And the ball movement in Sac, NO, and ESP in Chicago have never produced the same open looks Mills and Green get with the Spurs. And even sometimes defenders close out on them. If you had clips of only when Green and Mills were chased off the three point line,you'd be making the same claim about them. Spurs aren't going to sign a shooter to that kind of guaranteed money if they don't think he can space the floor. And I disagree that he doesn't space. Lots of defenders were staying home with him and we're getting burned when they didn't.

No one was getting burned by Jimmer hitting threes on them. The reason why his men were usually close to him in those vids is because he is handling the ball. But he gets run off the line in all but five the spot-up attempts he does have. Those were full-game highlights, not just a clipping to make Jimmer look bad (especially since the YTer is clearly a Fredette homer based on his comments). Of course, if Mills and Green constantly got run off the line, they wouldn't be effective floor-spacers. But they don't have as much trouble because they have faster releases. As I pointed out, the only times Jimmer got a clean shot off after the catch was when his guys were 20-something feet away from him. Any other time, he had to put the ball and the floor and settle for a long two or stepback three.

And Jimmer clearly knows this, and that's why he is so quick to put the ball on the floor in those vids and why he shoots from so far away. Despite what it looks like, teams are pretty happy with giving up long twos off the dribble. Jimmer shooting those isn't "burning" anyone. And I think NBA teams have figured out that they can totally help off him now. Sure, the Spurs did it and got burned that one game, but as a whole, the league seemed to have a ton of success doing so, and I can see why by looking at those vids.

Anyway, I actually don't think the Spurs signed Fredette to be a spot-up guy, or at least I hope they didn't, since there were clearly better guys out there who took the same or even less money. Rather, they signed him to do exactly what he did in those vids, which is handle the ball and do some one-on-one scoring. They probably see him as pretty similar to Beli, which I could see in a limited sense. Anderson, Simmons and Fredette are all handlers first, shooters second. It seems like that's the type of player the team wants next to Manu this season. They're probably scouting for his successor. That's all well and good, but Jimmer's lack of size and spot-up shooting makes him a clear third in that backup SF conversation. He faces and uphill battle to make the rotation with his game.

[ceperez]

No one was getting burned by Jimmer hitting threes on them. The reason why his men were usually close to him in those vids is because he is handling the ball. But he gets run off the line in all but five the spot-up attempts he does have. Those were full-game highlights, not just a clipping to make Jimmer look bad (especially since the YTer is clearly a Fredette homer based on his comments). Of course, if Mills and Green constantly got run off the line, they wouldn't be effective floor-spacers. But they don't have as much trouble because they have faster releases. As I pointed out, the only times Jimmer got a clean shot off after the catch was when his guys were 20-something feet away from him. Any other time, he had to put the ball and the floor and settle for a long two or stepback three.

And Jimmer clearly knows this, and that's why he is so quick to put the ball on the floor in those vids and why he shoots from so far away. Despite what it looks like, teams are pretty happy with giving up long twos off the dribble. Jimmer shooting those isn't "burning" anyone. And I think NBA teams have figured out that they can totally help off him now. Sure, the Spurs did it and got burned that one game, but as a whole, the league seemed to have a ton of success doing so, and I can see why by looking at those vids.

Anyway, I actually don't think the Spurs signed Fredette to be a spot-up guy, or at least I hope they didn't, since there were clearly better guys out there who took the same or even less money. Rather, they signed him to do exactly what he did in those vids, which is handle the ball and do some one-on-one scoring. They probably see him as pretty similar to Beli, which I could see in a limited sense. Anderson, Simmons and Fredette are all handlers first, shooters second. It seems like that's the type of player the team wants next to Manu this season. They're probably scouting for his successor. That's all well and good, but Jimmer's lack of size and spot-up shooting makes him a clear third in that backup SF conversation. He faces and uphill battle to make the rotation with his game.

Absolutely looking for Manu's successor.... most likely candidate at this stage is Jonathon Simmons.

[SAGirl]

Anyway, I actually don't think the Spurs signed Fredette to be a spot-up guy, or at least I hope they didn't, since there were clearly better guys out there who took the same or even less money. Rather, they signed him to do exactly what he did in those vids, which is handle the ball and do some one-on-one scoring. They probably see him as pretty similar to Beli, which I could see in a limited sense. Anderson, Simmons and Fredette are all handlers first, shooters second. It seems like that's the type of player the team wants next to Manu this season. They're probably scouting for his successor. That's all well and good, but Jimmer's lack of size and spot-up shooting makes him a clear third in that backup SF conversation. He faces and uphill battle to make the rotation with his game. this is a very interesting point. Sounds like a bench audition for the perimeter players. Spurs seemed to be prioritizing playmaking over shooting. It would be good to get a guy who can do both, but they were steering clear this season of the pure shooter types. Even Williams had some playmaking in the D'league and a good assist %. It will be interesting to see who comes out ahead in this. My favorite playmaker is Anderson, but he is better paired with a more athletic guy who can compliment him and the Spurs seem to be visualizing him as a forward. To me, the guards are up for grabs. Manu is around, but will be rested, and may be out games w/ injuries. Same with Tony. There will be guard minutes and they want someone who can pass well.
I don't know, it's probably why Williams is still around. Jimmer can be around for depth, I don't know his game, but his playmaking could be useful.

[tholdren]

No one was getting burned by Jimmer hitting threes on them. The reason why his men were usually close to him in those vids is because he is handling the ball. But he gets run off the line in all but five the spot-up attempts he does have. Those were full-game highlights, not just a clipping to make Jimmer look bad (especially since the YTer is clearly a Fredette homer based on his comments). Of course, if Mills and Green constantly got run off the line, they wouldn't be effective floor-spacers. But they don't have as much trouble because they have faster releases. As I pointed out, the only times Jimmer got a clean shot off after the catch was when his guys were 20-something feet away from him. Any other time, he had to put the ball and the floor and settle for a long two or stepback three.

And Jimmer clearly knows this, and that's why he is so quick to put the ball on the floor in those vids and why he shoots from so far away. Despite what it looks like, teams are pretty happy with giving up long twos off the dribble. Jimmer shooting those isn't "burning" anyone. And I think NBA teams have figured out that they can totally help off him now. Sure, the Spurs did it and got burned that one game, but as a whole, the league seemed to have a ton of success doing so, and I can see why by looking at those vids.

Anyway, I actually don't think the Spurs signed Fredette to be a spot-up guy, or at least I hope they didn't, since there were clearly better guys out there who took the same or even less money. Rather, they signed him to do exactly what he did in those vids, which is handle the ball and do some one-on-one scoring. They probably see him as pretty similar to Beli, which I could see in a limited sense. Anderson, Simmons and Fredette are all handlers first, shooters second. It seems like that's the type of player the team wants next to Manu this season. They're probably scouting for his successor. That's all well and good, but Jimmer's lack of size and spot-up shooting makes him a clear third in that backup SF conversation. He faces and uphill battle to make the rotation with his game.

They signed him to play the Mills/Marco role = instant scoring and not afraid to let it go. Saying he has a slow release is silly, and even if it were true, doesn't matter.

[Chinook]

They signed him to play the Mills/Marco role = instant scoring and not afraid to let it go. Saying he has a slow release is silly, and even if it were true, doesn't matter.

Of course it matters. He's been a poor offensive player statistically in the NBA despite that being his calling card. And the role you're describing is "chucker" and those are really easy to find.

[tholdren]

Of course it matters. He's been a poor offensive player statistically in the NBA despite that being his calling card. And the role you're describing is "chucker" and those are really easy to find.
He's got really similar shooting advanced stats to marco and a higher career PER.

[AFBlue]

This is why I compared you to a flatearther. The vids and everything else show a guy who's a terrible floor-spacing but who at his best can create decently off the dribble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqqfwk3I7Q (didn't want to make it two-post response, so I'll just leave the link)

One spot-up attempt in that who vid where he got his shot off without having to reset, and he missed the contested look. His man was way overhelping in the paint and still got out to him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts9oDGyLDhU

Same thing here. The shot of the vid is Jimmer's only spot-up attempt where he didn't have to reset, and he missed because he guy got back out to him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA_lCr21nUM

First play of this vid is a successful spot-up by Jimmer. And he's like 30 feet away from the basket and still gets contested. He gets two wide-open threes from the far corner later on the vid, and he splits them. Almost all of his plays involved him driving. He hardly got any room to get a shot off, even though he was being played loosely most of the game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc22SZs2Yw

Last vid is just pure highlights. His only spot-up attempt is from 30 feet away, and Melo runs all the way from the baseline to contest.

Jimmer is NOT a spot-up shooter. Anyone with eyes can see that. And anyone with critical evaluation skills can see why. He keeps getting run off the line if he's anywhere near normal three-point range. He only gets open looks otherwise if he's the beneficiary of busted defense (guys under the basket and getting caught on back screens. His game in the pros has been mostly inside the arc, which is fine in a one-on-one context. But it dramatically diminishes his value to a team that doesn't need playmaking from him. He also has a tendency to take bad shots (meaning off-balance long twos) because he gets run off the line so much.

It's no wonder he has a net-negative OBPM (-.2) and an anemic career ORtg (102). He has to dominate the ball to be successful, and he isn't good enough with the ball in his hands to warrant a decent team to give him the keys to the offense. These are things I should NOT have to show you. You're the one who's the Jimmer fan -- you should know his strengths and weaknesses. Instead, you tried to hide behind a false burden of proof when the null is clearly that Jimmer isn't an NBA-caliber player.

A sampling of video highlights doesn't equate to definitive proof that his shot is broken and must be fixed for him to be effective. The truth is that we'll just have to wait and see. If Jimmer is going to be an effective contributor, San Antonio with its structured offense is the place where it should happen. I see no reason to continue going on about this when it's clear we have a difference of opinion and no way of resolving it through facts or data.

And for the record, I'm not a Jimmer fan. I just happen to have an optimistic outlook on his potential contribution to the team next year based on what he showed in college, the Spurs' success at improving role players (see: Green, Danny), and the opportunity to earn playing time now that Marco is in Sacto. He could totally flame out and I'll happily concede I was wrong. I just wonder if those with a more pessimistic view such as yourself will do the same if he succeeds.

[exstatic]

Yep, that is why Bonner sucks in games. He has such a slow release. In an empty gym or on the practice floor, Bonner is a magnificent shooter, but when you need to get your shot off quick that is where Bonner struggles in live games with his accuracy. I remember a couple of seasons ago where I read that he was trying to speed up his release. I can't remember if it was during an off-season or not, but I do recall him making it a priority. So obviously Bonner knows it's a problem and he has tried working on it in the past. I can't remember how many years ago it was that I read that. I'm thinking it was 1-2 years ago. I'm also thinking he somehow got worse in games since he made that a priority ;).

I also saw a video within the past year where Steph Curry said - "I want to practice to the point of where it's almost uncomfortable how fast you shoot so that in a game things kind of slow down". After hearing him say that it kind of changed my thoughts quite a lot on practicing shooting.

Bonner struggles to the tune of 41.4% 782-1889, career. Klay Thompson, considered one of the best shooters at a position where you are SUPPOSED to be able to gun it, has a career 3G% of 41.8%.

[Kawhitstorm]

Bonner struggles to the tune of 41.4% 782-1889, career. Klay Thompson, considered one of the best shooters at a position where you are SUPPOSED to be able to gun it, has a career 3G% of 41.8%.

You might want to post their postseason stats since teams don't bother following through w/ the scouting report in the REGULAR season. Just look at how the Mavs defended Danny in the 2014 postseason compared to the regular season, it was night & day.

[exstatic]

You might want to post their postseason stats since teams don't bother following through w/ the scouting report in the REGULAR season. Just look at how the Mavs defended Danny in the 2014 postseason compared to the regular season, it was night & day.

He was talking shit about Bonner only being able to shoot in practice. I refuted it. Stop moving the goalposts.

[SpursIndonesia]

I can live with the release based upon his percentage/range. But he definitely could stand to learn different release points to maximize his threat level / ability to get shots off.

Yeah, the release point is quite low too. You can get away in NBA (especially off the bench) with either slow release or low release, but not BOTH at the same time.

[Chinook]

A sampling of video highlights doesn't equate to definitive proof that his shot is broken and must be fixed for him to be effective.

What a freaking backtrack. First, you told me to watch the vids to see that Jimmer can space the floor. Then, when I show you the four Jimmer vids (the top ones on YT btb, not a cherry-picked sample at all), you shell into, "Well it's just my opinion." It's your WRONG opinion, and I assume you didn't even watch those vids, because you could see how bad Jimmer's release is and how it's completely negating him in the spot-up game.

It would be all fine and good to say you believe in Jimmer and are taking a wait-and-see approach. We would all like to see him be really good and the Spurs to have another reliable option as their 12th or 15th man. There's nothing wrong with optimism. Even I have it for him. However, you chose to smugly dismiss what was pretty obvious analysis merely because you didn't understand it, and that's where I took issue. It's not being a 'shooting-form Nazi' to argue that a short guy with a slow and low release is going to struggle spacing the floor/being a shooter, especially when that's what has happened so far in his career.

[Chinook]

He's got really similar shooting advanced stats to marco and a higher career PER.

Well, yeah. That's why I said his upside was Beli 2.0. He's better with the ball than Beli, but isn't nearly as good off the ball. But it might help if you understand that I'm not a Beli fan at all. I always thought he was a bad signing, and I'm glad to see him in another uniform.

[benefactor]

Chinook with repeated unstoppable post moves tbh.

[SAGirl]

Chinook with repeated unstoppable post moves tbh.
:rollin
BTW Marco was a purely offensive player, and he brought value. His role was to make big shots and he made them. He was ok for his role. His defense even though he made an effort did cost the spurs much and you had to have guys cover for him. There is simply no perfect player. The ones without many flaws are starter quality or stars. Personally CoJo drove me mad at times but he also brought value. He was a guard who hustled and competed defensively and that was a need and helped out tremendously at times. His lack of court vision and tendency to get passive or hero ball was infuriating at times, but he still brought value.
I am not sure about Jimmer at all but I hope he brings some value even if he's not the perfect player. If he works on rebuilding that shot his accuracy can take a hit big time in the immediate future. That is something Spurs will probably recognize. He does have hand eye coordination to shoot well, but sometimes shooters are so reluctant to change their shots bc their accuracy takes a huge hit b4 the new form is consistent. Bonner is the perfect example, sticking with that slow shot for his entire career.
I see Chinook's point. There are too many questions surrounding Jimmer, could you live with his defensive struggles if he brings something of value? He doesn't think his shooting is sufficiently good/able to get it off to justify the lack of defense. It's possible he rather brings playmaking with an occasional bomb if he sees an opportunity and that is fine. If he could bring shooting that would help out his case tremendously as there are other playmakers in the team who also bring defense and rebounding to boot as well as size. Simmons, Ray and Anderson look better in this regard. Where Jimmer could edge them out is in his shooting and we'll see.

[Gladney to see you]

The case for him would be...he will have mores space here AND his 2 point % is really good by league standards. So want him to do that or not...he does it well it would seem.

[ceperez]

:rollin
BTW Marco was a purely offensive player, and he brought value. His role was to make big shots and he made them. He was ok for his role. His defense even though he made an effort did cost the spurs much and you had to have guys cover for him. There is simply no perfect player. The ones without many flaws are starter quality or stars. Personally CoJo drove me mad at times but he also brought value. He was a guard who hustled and competed defensively and that was a need and helped out tremendously at times. His lack of court vision and tendency to get passive or hero ball was infuriating at times, but he still brought value.
I am not sure about Jimmer at all but I hope he brings some value even if he's not the perfect player. If he works on rebuilding that shot his accuracy can take a hit big time in the immediate future. That is something Spurs will probably recognize. He does have hand eye coordination to shoot well, but sometimes shooters are so reluctant to change their shots bc their accuracy takes a huge hit b4 the new form is consistent. Bonner is the perfect example, sticking with that slow shot for his entire career.
I see Chinook's point. There are too many questions surrounding Jimmer, could you live with his defensive struggles if he brings something of value? He doesn't think his shooting is sufficiently good/able to get it off to justify the lack of defense. It's possible he rather brings playmaking with an occasional bomb if he sees an opportunity and that is fine. If he could bring shooting that would help out his case tremendously as there are other playmakers in the team who also bring defense and rebounding to boot as well as size. Simmons, Ray and Anderson look better in this regard. Where Jimmer could edge them out is in his shooting and we'll see.

Simmons, Anderson and Jimmer should have plenty of opportunities to play when Manu is in street clothes.

Ray is actually guaranteed starting minutes with Parker likely being in street clothes too.

[SAGirl]

Simmons, Anderson and Jimmer should have plenty of opportunities to play when Manu is in street clothes.

Ray is actually guaranteed starting minutes with Parker likely being in street clothes too.
agreed. I think those are the minutes everyone is talking about here TBH. Anderson is my candidate for backup SF, but there is legit competition by Simmons. I don't see Jimmer in a lineup w Manu and Patty personally. Others may disagree, but I don't think that is the way Pop will roll.

[TheDoctor]

Some (not so) spectacular fan in Austin wearing a Fredette jersey. And the plot thickens...

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[Ice009]

Bonner struggles to the tune of 41.4% 782-1889, career. Klay Thompson, considered one of the best shooters at a position where you are SUPPOSED to be able to gun it, has a career 3G% of 41.8%.

lol. Bonner's shooting percentage in the regular season is based on wide open looks. I mentioned empty gym, but I wasn't exclusively talking about him only shooting well in an empty gym or the practice floor. When teams make it a priority to not give him any looks or close out on him faster, his percentage goes down the toilet. That's why in the playoffs he's a nobody.

[Gladney to see you]

Well, Bonner's motion is from the 50's. If we could run the picket fence he would be fine.

[AFBlue]

What a freaking backtrack. First, you told me to watch the vids to see that Jimmer can space the floor. Then, when I show you the four Jimmer vids (the top ones on YT btb, not a cherry-picked sample at all), you shell into, "Well it's just my opinion." It's your WRONG opinion, and I assume you didn't even watch those vids, because you could see how bad Jimmer's release is and how it's completely negating him in the spot-up game.

It would be all fine and good to say you believe in Jimmer and are taking a wait-and-see approach. We would all like to see him be really good and the Spurs to have another reliable option as their 12th or 15th man. There's nothing wrong with optimism. Even I have it for him. However, you chose to smugly dismiss what was pretty obvious analysis merely because you didn't understand it, and that's where I took issue. It's not being a 'shooting-form Nazi' to argue that a short guy with a slow and low release is going to struggle spacing the floor/being a shooter, especially when that's what has happened so far in his career.

I never told you to watch anything. You must be confusing me with someone else. And I am taking a wait-and-see approach by not jumping to the conclusion, as you are, that his shot must be fixed for him to be successful. Pretty sure the statement "we will see" was uttered by me on multiple occasions.

[Chinook]

I never told you to watch anything. You must be confusing me with someone else. And I am taking a wait-and-see approach by not jumping to the conclusion, as you are, that his shot must be fixed for him to be successful. Pretty sure the statement "we will see" was uttered by me on multiple occasions.

Again, saying "We'll see," is fine, though it is also a complete waste of cyber space, as we'll wait and see regardless of what we think or say here. There's literally no point in saying "You don't know that for sure," or "You could be wrong," as that's ALWAYS true. If I had said, "Kawhi is going to be important for the Spurs' success next season," would you be falling over yourself to say how we have to wait and see what Kawhi does before jumping to conclusions? No. But it's the same thing. Jimmer COULD have a complete career turnaround without actually doing anything to become a better player. And the Spurs COULD end up being successful with Kawhi out of the rotation somehow. But it's a waste of time to constantly acknowledge remote possibilities, because we all already know they're there and don't have to talk about them.

But again, this would never have been a discussion had you left it at that. Instead you acted all condescending toward people discussing why Jimmer struggled before and why he's likely to struggle going forward. You made it seem like talking about his mechanics (which by the most recent practice vid are as bad as ever) was some type of psuedo-intellectual gobbledygook, with us being as nit-picky as a grammarian correcting "to who" to be "to whom". But it's not, and technique and efficiency are big deals in sports. If you didn't want to have a conversation about how Jimmer's technique is hurting his NBA viability, that's cool. But that makes it even less cool to jab at people who do want to have that conversation just because their conclusions aren't optimistic enough for you.

[AFBlue]

Again, saying "We'll see," is fine, though it is also a complete waste of cyber space, as we'll wait and see regardless of what we think or say here. There's literally no point in saying "You don't know that for sure," or "You could be wrong," as that's ALWAYS true. If I had said, "Kawhi is going to be important for the Spurs' success next season," would you be falling over yourself to say how we have to wait and see what Kawhi does before jumping to conclusions? No. But it's the same thing. Jimmer COULD have a complete career turnaround without actually doing anything to become a better player. And the Spurs COULD end up being successful with Kawhi out of the rotation somehow. But it's a waste of time to constantly acknowledge remote possibilities, because we all already know they're there and don't have to talk about them.

But again, this would never have been a discussion had you left it at that. Instead you acted all condescending toward people discussing why Jimmer struggled before and why he's likely to struggle going forward. You made it seem like talking about his mechanics (which by the most recent practice vid are as bad as ever) was some type of psuedo-intellectual gobbledygook, with us being as nit-picky as a grammarian correcting "to who" to be "to whom". But it's not, and technique and efficiency are big deals in sports. If you didn't want to have a conversation about how Jimmer's technique is hurting his NBA viability, that's cool. But that makes it even less cool to jab at people who do want to have that conversation just because their conclusions aren't optimistic enough for you.

Your conclusions aren't based in fact or data. That's what I took issue with. If there were facts or data to back up your assertion I would've happily conceded the point. So you get internet points for being bold and making a stand on something you have no way of backing up, while you pass off my "wait-and-see" approach is a waste of time? Good job,Internet police. :tu

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, the release point is quite low too. You can get away in NBA (especially off the bench) with either slow release or low release, but not BOTH at the same time.

Dude, the guy shot 49 percent from 3 in Sac his last season there. I think he can "get away with it". Improvements are a worthy discussion. But don't act like Jimmer hasn't shown that he can shoot the 3 in the NBA.

[Chinook]

Your conclusions aren't based in fact or data. That's what I took issue with. If there were facts or data to back up your assertion I would've happily conceded the point. So you get internet points for being bold and making a stand on something you have no way of backing up, while you pass off my "wait-and-see" approach is a waste of time? Good job,Internet police. :tu

Yes, it's based a ton of data showing is bad shooting percentages and poor team-offensive numbers. What you want is a stat saying Jimmer gets blocked more than other people. There are multiple reasons why that's a silly stat to look for. The most prominent is that Jimmer DOESN'T get blocked more than the average player. He simply doesn't shoot that many catch-and-shoot threes because he is constantly pulling it down or resetting. That is extremely easy to see from watching any video of him. What you're suggesting by saying that those vids aren't "data" or aren't sufficient samples is that there's a much larger sample in the world of him succeeding in catch-and-shoot opportunities.

In essence, you want to be lazy and think an uninformed opinion should have as much weight as an informed one. And you're banking on confidence intervals to do so. You don't want to think. You don't want to watch videos and learn about shooting forms and angles and windows and how all that plays into performance. That's fine. But that doesn't somehow mean that another person doing those things is not dealing in "facts" or "data". You don't seem like someone who really understands why those things are important judging simply by your comments in this thread. You just seem like you want a safe place to backpedal, and appealing to ignorance is the best thing you can come up with.

[Chinook]

Dude, the guy shot 49 percent from 3 in Sac his last season there. I think he can "get away with it". Improvements are a worthy discussion. But don't act like Jimmer hasn't shown that he can shoot the 3 in the NBA.

How many of those were spot-up threes, though? He wasn't a spot-up guy in college, either. It's just not a skill-set he's shown so far. Will he be able to fix that with the Spurs? I simply don't see Pop letting him take the 30-foot pull-ups that make up most of his perimeter game.

[Spurtacular]

How many of those were spot-up threes, though?

They mostly weren't spot-ups, tbh. You think the likes of Marcus Thornton, Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins and Rudy Gay and chucker Isiah Thomas are making the extra pass? :lmao:

[Spurtacular]

I simply don't see Pop letting him take the 30-foot pull-ups that make up most of his perimeter game.

So, your theory is that Pop wants to leave points on the table? If JImmer's wide open from 26-30, the deed is done.

[Chinook]

They mostly weren't spot-ups, tbh. You think the likes of Marcus Thornton, Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins and Rudy Gay and chucker Isiah Thomas are making the extra pass? :lmao:

Well, the Spurs WILL be making those passes, so Jimmer's going to need to hit spot-up shots outside of garbage time if he wants minutes.


So, your theory is that Pop wants to leave points on the table? If JImmer's wide open from 26-30, the deed is done.

Well, he really doesn't allow the Spurs to take many pull-up threes. Mills take the most on the team, I'd assume. Those shots are usually open, but they're also more difficult, so their efficiency is usually low. I don't think Pop's going to be happy with anyone shooting those shots unless that player is already hot.

[DMX7]

Jimmer... that name is straight out of South Park

[benefactor]

Chinook with repeated unstoppable post moves tbh.

[tholdren]

Well, the Spurs WILL be making those passes, so Jimmer's going to need to hit spot-up shots outside of garbage time if he wants minutes.



Well, he really doesn't allow the Spurs to take many pull-up threes. Mills take the most on the team, I'd assume. Those shots are usually open, but they're also more difficult, so their efficiency is usually low. I don't think Pop's going to be happy with anyone shooting those shots unless that player is already hot.

Get over it. Jimmer will be able to play the Patty/Marco role. He will be able to pull up threes, just like patty and just like neal, and just like marco. Pop signed all those players to take shots. Don't know why it would be different with JF.

[Chinook]

Get over it. Jimmer will be able to play the Patty/Marco role. He will be able to pull up threes, just like patty and just like neal, and just like marco. Pop signed all those players to take shots. Don't know why it would be different with JF.

Those guys don't JUST take those shots. Those guys could play off the ball. If Jimmer can't consistently do that, he won't get minutes.

[tholdren]

Those guys don't JUST take those shots. Those guys could play off the ball. If Jimmer can't consistently do that, he won't get minutes.
Gary Neal couldn't do anything..... had to have the ball in his hands..... had to try and hide on defense....

[Spurtacular]

Well, the Spurs WILL be making those passes, so Jimmer's going to need to hit spot-up shots outside of garbage time if he wants minutes.



Well, he really doesn't allow the Spurs to take many pull-up threes. Mills take the most on the team, I'd assume. Those shots are usually open, but they're also more difficult, so their efficiency is usually low. I don't think Pop's going to be happy with anyone shooting those shots unless that player is already hot.

I'll give you this; Pop may reign Jimmer in some on whatever instances he wants for the long threes. But I doubt he's gonna do something like tell Jimmer not to shoot from two or three feet back of the line; and I would give it as my opinion that Pop will want Jimmer to shoot the wide open transition threes.

Not sure what makes you think hitting open spot-ups is an issue; but that's ok.

Furthermore, Jimmer vs. Mills, they're both pretty well the same at shooting transition threes. The difference is that Jimmer can shoot from further. He led the league in deep three percentage at 52 percent at one point.

[ceds]

Well, he really doesn't allow the Spurs to take many pull-up threes. Mills take the most on the team, I'd assume. Those shots are usually open, but they're also more difficult, so their efficiency is usually low. I don't think Pop's going to be happy with anyone shooting those shots unless that player is already hot.


This is incorrect

Transition threes are an easier attempt and have greater efficiency by about 3%

Assuming Jimmer gets playing time it is likely he gets the green light (As Mills & Green do) to take the pull up three.

[Spurtacular]

A few days ago, Jimmer concluded his charity Jimmerosity event in Provo:

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHyNItEUcAAvIpO.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNbbSX_VEAAejvC.jpg

http://www.provokindness.org/uploads/4/8/0/0/48003417/1611846_orig.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COqzybJU8AAIzay.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldextra.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/84/9843ef76-c60a-5bd3-9bcb-9d7a2dd13b6e/5585f5725f754.image.jpg?resize=620%2C414

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHy8jBRUAAA3fbi.jpg

[ceperez]

This is incorrect

Transition threes are an easier attempt and have greater efficiency by about 3%

Assuming Jimmer gets playing time it is likely he gets the green light (As Mills & Green do) to take the pull up three.

Absolutely would have a green light, otherwise there would be zero reason why he would be on the court.

[Spurtacular]

trying to be famous by doing charity work...

Dude actually does real charity and you find fault... :lol

[Gladney to see you]

"At the January 10th mark, they have to decide if they want to keep me or not," Fredette said. "Obviously they can cut you at any time before but they have to pay you for the full half year. It's my job to go out and show them what I have so they want to keep me for the rest of the year."
The ex-Cougar star said he's very excited about the upcoming season.

"I'm coming in with the expectation that I'm going to have to work as hard as I can in order to get playing time, to break my way into the rotation," Fredette said. "One thing that I do know is that if I'm on the team, they do give guys rests so I will have opportunities to play. I think it's my type of basketball and I fit in the system really well. I love the guys there, very competitive guys but they want to help you help them win games. I'm excited to be a part of that type of culture. I couldn't ask for a better situation."

[ceperez]

"At the January 10th mark, they have to decide if they want to keep me or not," Fredette said. "Obviously they can cut you at any time before but they have to pay you for the full half year. It's my job to go out and show them what I have so they want to keep me for the rest of the year."
The ex-Cougar star said he's very excited about the upcoming season.

"I'm coming in with the expectation that I'm going to have to work as hard as I can in order to get playing time, to break my way into the rotation," Fredette said. "One thing that I do know is that if I'm on the team, they do give guys rests so I will have opportunities to play. I think it's my type of basketball and I fit in the system really well. I love the guys there, very competitive guys but they want to help you help them win games. I'm excited to be a part of that type of culture. I couldn't ask for a better situation."

Glad to hear. Wish him the best.

[SAGirl]

Glad to hear. Wish him the best.
Me too. He has the right attitude and is aware he will have chances, but that he has to make the most of them.

[TheGreatYacht]

Less than 2 weeks until we catch this in Training Camp


http://youtu.be/ZWjwlSGIch0

[Spurtacular]

Less than 2 weeks until we catch this in Training Camp


http://youtu.be/ZWjwlSGIch0

Agreed. Jimmer got a raw deal in Sacramento. I don't think most Spurs fans and their media understand what they're getting.

[tholdren]

Jimmer will be an all star before KL

[SPURt]

Jimmer will be an all star before KL
https://s3.amazonaws.com/wp-ag/wp-content/uploads/sites/72/2015/09/trumpeyebrows.gif

[szkorhetz]

HE CAN'T EVEN START AT THE KINGS
Neither could Danny for the Cavs and was cut...

[playbonner15]

'Rustle my Jimmers' would be a great title for an HBO documentary

[benfti]

I can't work out if this dude is serious or not? 56 pages on Jimmer Ferdette? Has to be trolling. Dude is a rec baller

[spurraider21]

Less than 2 weeks until we catch this in Training Camp


http://youtu.be/ZWjwlSGIch0


Agreed. Jimmer got a raw deal in Sacramento. I don't think most Spurs fans and their media understand what they're getting.
:lmao what do you mean "agreed"

what exactly did he post that you are agreeing with

[Gladney to see you]

Apparently they called him though.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao what do you mean "agreed"

what exactly did he post that you are agreeing with

His sentiment was clear. If you have doubts, go ahead and ask him.

[Spurtacular]

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/1/4/17/anigif_enhanced-buzz-12295-1357337902-0.gif

[SPURt]

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/1/4/17/anigif_enhanced-buzz-12295-1357337902-0.gif
the creativity, the grace! It blows my mind the media wastes so much time on Curry! Pop did it again!

[cd021]

DANNY WON'T START ON ANY TEAM EXCEPT THE SPURS

***Danny Green Would Start on any almost any team including the Spurs****

fixed it for you B.

[Darius Bieber]

the creativity, the grace! It blows my mind the media wastes so much time on Curry! Pop did it again!

Eh. That's just the Kings. Not Jimmer's fault tbh

[tholdren]

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/1/4/17/anigif_enhanced-buzz-12295-1357337902-0.gif

Meh, KL free throws in the first finals versus miami was worse than this

[SAGirl]

Well, I think we will hear some "Save us Jimmer, Save us!!!" before the season is over.

[Spurtacular]

the creativity, the grace! It blows my mind the media wastes so much time on Curry! Pop did it again!

Had to beat the shot clock. It was a fun play; shame he didn't make it.

[ceperez]

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/1/4/17/anigif_enhanced-buzz-12295-1357337902-0.gif

Look at that horrible spacing! 3 other kings all at the same spot waiting for the ball with 4 seconds left!!!

[Gladney to see you]

He could have passed it

[ceperez]

He could have passed it

No.... you are down 6 points. If he makes it, they are down 3 with 2 seconds left. If he passes, you have one shot to make 6 points.

[Vito Corleone]

LOL 4 kings were standing on the 3pt line. Not enough time for anything but a 3 pt shot.

[Gladney to see you]

No.... you are down 6 points. If he makes it, they are down 3 with 2 seconds left. If he passes, you have one shot to make 6 points.

Oh ok...then whey are we even looking at this.

[tholdren]

Oh ok...then whey are we even looking at this.
because many ST posters take everything out of context

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer's never gonna be a great defender; but his d has improved. He's better at sliding his feet. He still needs to work on angles. Especially at the top of the three, he allows guards to go to their strong hand too often. Hopefully, someone catches that and works with him on his footwork for those instances.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-g53zd-LQo

[maverick1948]

wow almost 1700 posts for a scrub who will likely be given away for little or nothing. Even if he stays with the Spurs, Parker, McCallum, and Mills will eat up almost all the minutes at point guard. Maybe he plays mop up mins.

[Spurtacular]

wow almost 1700 posts for a scrub who will likely be given away for little or nothing. Even if he stays with the Spurs, Parker, McCallum, and Mills will eat up almost all the minutes at point guard. Maybe he plays mop up mins.

Funny how tools like you assume that RM is gonna automatically be given minutes ahead of Jimmer.

[Kawhitstorm]

wow almost 1700 posts for a scrub who will likely be given away for little or nothing. Even if he stays with the Spurs, Parker, McCallum, and Mills will eat up almost all the minutes at point guard. Maybe he plays mop up mins.

That's what name recognition will do for you.

[spurraider21]

Funny how tools like you assume that RM is gonna automatically be given minutes ahead of Jimmer.
Well we traded for McCallum. Gave a camp invite to jimmer. It's clear who the club values more right now. RC has even suggested McCallum will start games when Parker rests

[Kawhitstorm]

Well we traded for McCallum. Gave a camp invite to jimmer. It's clear who the club values more right now. RC has even suggested McCallum will start games when Parker rests

Basically, RM is supposed to be CoJo's replacement meanwhile Jimmer is trying to win a spot as Marco's replacement. They aren't even fighting for he same position so are mutually exclusive. Jimmer's competition is another free agent out there in the market or a buyout candidate.

[spurraider21]

Basically, RM is supposed to be CoJo's replacement meanwhile Jimmer is trying to win a spot as Marco's replacement. They aren't even fighting for he same position so are mutually exclusive. Jimmer's competition is another free agent out there in the market or a buyout candidate.
Green will probably get bigger minutes. Anderson and Simmons will also be vying for minutes at the wing.

[phxspurfan]

Is Jimmy Fallon gonna make the roster or what

[spurraider21]

I'd say probably not. 10 reserve spots (8 active).

Diaw, Manu, West, Boban, Mills, McCallum, Bonner, Anderson, Simmons are gna be there, leaving 1 spot.

[Kawhitstorm]

Green will probably get bigger minutes. Anderson and Simmons will also be vying for minutes at the wing.

There is still a need for a RELIABLE pure shooter to loosen up the defense esp. when Danny is in his "Icy" mode. Anderson will never be that guy, Simmons could be a reliable shooter but he isn't a "pure" shooter. Rasual Butler could be that guy but I'm assuming Pop wanted to give Jimmer a shot in training camp since Butler is a known commodity.
.

[Ditty]

Jimmer is is in town!

https://instagram.com/p/7v_tseg2WH/

[Spurtacular]

Well we traded for McCallum. Gave a camp invite to jimmer. It's clear who the club values more right now. RC has even suggested McCallum will start games when Parker rests

Not a camp invite; a signee.

RC can suggest anything he wants. Pop makes the calls.

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer is is in town!

https://instagram.com/p/7v_tseg2WH/

Nice find. Who are the Somers sisters, btw?

[spurraider21]

Not a camp invite; a signee.

RC can suggest anything he wants. Pop makes the calls.
yes. pop also traded for mccallum and gave a partially guaranteed deal to jimmer

[Spurtacular]

yes. pop also traded for mccallum and gave a partially guaranteed deal to jimmer

And that makes McCallum so special? There's no rule in basketball that says a player traded for is better than a player signed.

[Kawhitstorm]

And that makes McCallum so special? There's no rule in basketball that says a player traded for is better than a player signed.

RM has a FULLY guaranteed contract meanwhile Jimmer has a PARTIALLY guaranteed contract. Which contract do you think is easier to dump?

[Spurtacular]

RM has a FULLY guaranteed contract meanwhile Jimmer has a PARTIALLY guaranteed contract. Which contract do you think is easier to dump?

1. It's not just a cost equation. Jimmer makes the Spurs money. RM costs the Spurs money.
2. I'll take the Remington 870 rifle (Jimmer) over the musket (RM).

[Kawhitstorm]

1. It's not just a cost equation. Jimmer makes the Spurs money. RM costs the Spurs money.
2. I'll take the Remington 870 rifle (Jimmer) over the musket (RM).

Get a fuckin life besides slobbering all over Jimmer's dick.

[Spurtacular]

Get a fuckin life besides slobbering all over Jimmer's dick.

You gonna pick up your ball and 'storm' home now? :lol

[spurraider21]

And that makes McCallum so special? There's no rule in basketball that says a player traded for is better than a player signed.
when you trade for someone, you are giving up an asset (plus mccallum has a guaranteed deal)

jimmer got a partially guaranteed deal and it's essentially a camp invite. only one of them assuredly has a roster spot. and it's not jimmer

[Spurtacular]

when you trade for someone, you are giving up an asset (plus mccallum has a guaranteed deal)

jimmer got a partially guaranteed deal and it's essentially a camp invite. only one of them assuredly has a roster spot. and it's not jimmer

Teams give up 2nd rounders for nothing all the time.

Jimmer is not "essentially a camp invite." He was given guaranteed money for a reason.

[spurraider21]

Teams give up 2nd rounders for nothing all the time.
for "nothing" lol... for cap relief, maybe.


Jimmer is not "essentially a camp invite." He was given guaranteed money for a reason.
and its also partially guaranteed for a reason

[K...]

Look it's like this. Jimmer don't pass. Ray is the spurs best backup pg since tj Ford. Point guard. Your boy jim jom is a midget sg gunner and we have one of those already in mills.

So you're talking 4rth string combo guard vs 2nd team pg-& have you seen Tony ? Ray will start more games than jimmz even suits up in.

[Spurtacular]

Look it's like this. Jimmer don't pass. Ray is the spurs best backup pg since tj Ford. Point guard. Your boy jim jom is a midget sg gunner and we have one of those already in mills.

So you're talking 4rth string combo guard vs 2nd team pg-& have you seen Tony ? Ray will start more games than jimmz even suits up in.

RM is not a 2nd string PG for the Spurs at this point. Lay off the reefer, dude.

[Spurtacular]

for "nothing" lol... for cap relief, maybe.


and its also partially guaranteed for a reason

No. Teams trade away second rounders like they're petty cash. You're reading way too much into giving up a 2nd for RM.

And the Spurs may have hedged on Jimmer; but that proves nothing of his worth relative to RM.

[cd98]

The reality is that if you could merge Jimmer and Ray, you'd have the makings of a good player. As is, we have to hope these guys aren't logging heavy minutes next season, things will have not gone well.

[K...]

The reality is that if you could merge Jimmer and Ray, you'd have the makings of a good player. As is, we have to hope these guys aren't logging heavy minutes next season, things will have not gone well.

I'd take cojo mills and Ray mills over jimmer and Jordan

[Spurtacular]

Ray is the spurs best backup pg since tj Ford.

I doubt that. But TJ wasn't that good anyhow, tbh.

[spurraider21]

No. Teams trade away second rounders like they're petty cash. You're reading way too much into giving up a 2nd for RM.

And the Spurs may have hedged on Jimmer; but that proves nothing of his worth relative to RM.
they hedged on jimmer, they didnt hedge on mccallum. in fact, they gave an asset.

[Spurtacular]

I'd take cojo mills and Ray mills over jimmer and Jordan

I hope you have some porn going or something...

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[Spurtacular]

they hedged on jimmer, they didnt hedge on mccallum. in fact, they gave an asset.

I'd say they hedged on whether or not they could get a good enough replacement guard for CoJo on the open market by trading for RM. And if RM was that good, then they wouldn't have needed to sign Jimmer, tbh.

[cd98]

they hedged on jimmer, they didnt hedge on mccallum. in fact, they gave an asset.

Enough. McCullum was signed to be the back up of the back up point guard. He may see almost no playing time and his contract is cheap. If he doesn't catch on, he'll get dumped just like Jimmer. Why you are arguing about the players at the end of the bench is beyond me.

[spurraider21]

Enough. McCullum was signed to be the back up of the back up point guard. He may see almost no playing time and his contract is cheap. If he doesn't catch on, he'll get dumped just like Jimmer. Why you are arguing about the players at the end of the bench is beyond me.
because its september and this is spurstalk

[tholdren]

when you trade for someone, you are giving up an asset (plus mccallum has a guaranteed deal)

jimmer got a partially guaranteed deal and it's essentially a camp invite. only one of them assuredly has a roster spot. and it's not jimmer
so by your logic mcallum is better than virtually every spur.

[spurraider21]

so by your logic mcallum is better than virtually every spur.
really? please explain

[Ditty]

Nice find. Who are the Somers sisters, btw?

Look up Heidi Somers. She is a famous healthy trainer/motivator in SA. I've known her for a while since she was a waiter at a hookah bar, but she wasn't as hot back then but still fine. Her sister is Mary Somers she isn't as fit but she is super hot still and skinny.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'd say they hedged on whether or not they could get a good enough replacement guard for CoJo on the open market by trading for RM. And if RM was that good, then they wouldn't have needed to sign Jimmer, tbh.

Idiot, Jimmer is an undersized SHOOTING guard just like Gary Neal. Belly replaced Neal, now Jimmer is auditioning for Belly's spot. CoJo's spot is RM's to lose & his competition for MINUTES is Simmons. Jimmer on the other hand has to play his way into a guaranteed contract otherwise they will cut him loose & bring in a shooter. It's not easy to bring a free agent point guard midseason & expect him to know all the plays but a spot up shooter can get by since they don't have to run the offense.

[tholdren]

really? please explain

you state a traded player is worth more than a signed. who have SA traded for and who did they sign?

[spurraider21]

you state a traded player is worth more than a signed. who have SA traded for and who did they sign?
when you trade for a player, you give up an asset... but signing a player also gives up an asset (cap space, money). you have to compare them

trading for mccallum = second round pick + his salary

signing jimmer = partial salary

you have to balance the salary + what you give up in the trade. compare trading a 2nd for mccallum and his low salary for spending the money to sign aldridge. the 20m is obviously more valuable than the 2nd + small money

jimmer was signed for less than the minimum (partial guarantee)

[tholdren]

Idiot, Jimmer is an undersized SHOOTING guard just like Gary Neal. Belly replaced Neal, now Jimmer is auditioning for Belly's spot. CoJo's spot is RM's to lose & his competition for MINUTES is Simmons. Jimmer on the other hand has to play his way into a guaranteed contract otherwise they will cut him loose & bring in a shooter. It's not easy to bring a free agent point guard midseason & expect him to know all the plays but a spot up shooter can get by since they don't have to run the offense.
Jimmer can play any position, turd

[Kawhitstorm]

but she wasn't as hot back then but still fine.

You mean she got "some work done". In any case, I don't personally find her face to be attractive but she does have a nice body (are those tits real?) otherwise she would just be another blonde over her in LA. She trying to help fat people out so I can't hate on her...y'all need more chicks like her in SA.

[tholdren]

when you trade for a player, you give up an asset... but signing a player also gives up an asset (cap space, money). you have to compare them

trading for mccallum = second round pick + his salary

signing jimmer = partial salary

you have to balance the salary + what you give up in the trade. compare trading a 2nd for mccallum and his low salary for spending the money to sign aldridge. the 20m is obviously more valuable than the 2nd + small money

jimmer was signed for less than the minimum (partial guarantee)

then you would have to think that mccallum is better than david west... not smart

[spurraider21]

then you would have to think that mccallum is better than david west... not smart
i dont think he's better than david west.

david west also turned down 11 mil to play for the minimum. its not like jimmer took a discount to come here :lol. he's taking whatever he can get. right now, that's less than a minimum 1 year deal

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmer can play any position, turd

He told me he like to bend you down & fuck you doggy-style.

[Ditty]

You mean she got "some work done". In any case, I don't personally find her face to be attractive but she does have a nice body (are those tits real?) otherwise she would just be another blonde over her in LA. She trying to help fat people out so I can't hate on her...y'all need more chicks like her in SA.

Not that I know of, she has always been pretty hot, but as I mentioned she just got hotter from what I remember as she got in great shape and looks now more mature. She is pretty, of course if you go up the road to Texas State, she would just be 1 out of 2 smoking hot girls that go to that school though (Every single girl from that school is on Tinder :lol) They're some pictures that she looks pretty masculine which I don't like too much, but she has a nice ass for a white girl. Not as many sexy girls here than LA of course, but they're plenty of sexy girls down here my friend especially the gym I go to with all the rich white girls with their leggings on mmmm :hungry:

[Spurtacular]

Idiot, Jimmer is an undersized SHOOTING guard just like Gary Neal. Belly replaced Neal, now Jimmer is auditioning for Belly's spot. CoJo's spot is RM's to lose & his competition for MINUTES is Simmons. Jimmer on the other hand has to play his way into a guaranteed contract otherwise they will cut him loose & bring in a shooter. It's not easy to bring a free agent point guard midseason & expect him to know all the plays but a spot up shooter can get by since they don't have to run the offense.

Jimmer's a combo guard, "idiot." And frankly, I'd rather play Jimmer at the point over McCallum. Also, he'd work well with Ginobili (like Mills does); two combo guards together. And sure, he'll get some Beli minutes (as will KA and Simmons, tbh).

[RD2191]

Crofl. Jimmer is a fucking piece of shit scrub.

[apalisoc_9]

Crofl. Jimmer is a fucking piece of shit scrub.

[spurraider21]

Crofl. Jimmer is a fucking piece of shit scrub.
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:wakeup
:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmer's a combo guard, "idiot." And frankly, I'd rather play Jimmer at the point over McCallum. Also, he'd work well with Ginobili (like Mills does); two combo guards together. And sure, he'll get some Beli minutes (as will KA and Simmons, tbh).

Jimmer is a undersized shooting guard just like Patty...deal with it! Jimmer gives you nothing on the defensive end unlike Patty & is worse that Belly. He also isn't an energy guy (Patty) or a guy who moves well without the ball (Belly). A back-court compromised of 2015 Manu & Jimmer would get absolutely murdered on defense.

The best comparison is Neal but at least Gary Neal was clutch & had a quick trigger which made defenders think twice before they helped off him. Neal also had the luxury of playing alongside 2010-12 Manu when he had his best years.

[RD2191]

:wow did you have truth flakes for breakfast?











:wakeup
:lol

Truth bran but close enough.

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer is a undersized shooting guard just like Patty...deal with it! Jimmer gives you nothing on the defensive end unlike Patty & is worse that Belly. He also isn't an energy guy (Patty) or a guy who moves well without the ball (Belly). A back-court compromised of 2015 Manu & Jimmer would get absolutely murdered on defense.

The best comparison is Neal but at least Gary Neal was clutch & had a quick trigger which made defenders think twice before they helped off him. Neal also had the luxury of playing alongside 2010-12 Manu when he had his best years.

You deal with it, doofis. Jimmer has been a combo guard in his career so far. Maybe, Pop will end up using Jimmer primarily as an SG. But right now, you're talking out of your ass.

[Spurtacular]

apalisoc_9

Say it in your own words, bitch. Don't be trying to dick ride Jimmer later like you did with Kawhi.

[Spurtacular]

:wow did you have truth flakes for breakfast?











:wakeup
:lol

Did you have dick for dinner? Probably.

[Kawhitstorm]

You deal with it, doofis. Jimmer has been a combo guard in his career so far.

When exactly did Jimmer run a LEGIT NBA offense in his life?

[HarlemHeat37]

Jesus, 59 pages for a borderline NBA scrub:lol..ohhhh, the love non-Black basketball players receive and the false hope they produce, so adorable..

[TheGreatYacht]

apalisoc_9 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260)

Say it in your own words, bitch. Don't be trying to dick ride Jimmer later like you did with Kawhi.
He won't. Jimmer is the Floyd to Kawhi's Berto.

[Spurtacular]

When exactly did Jimmer run a LEGIT NBA offense in his life?

He probably played more PG with Sacramento than he actually did SG. And he played some PG with NOL too; but they used him more as an SG. This is common knowlege.

[Kawhitstorm]

He probably played more PG with Sacramento than he actually did SG. And he played some PG with NOL too; but they used him more as an SG. This is common knowlege.

They tried him out at PG when he was a rookie but he was a disaster thus he simply became a backup SG & that has been his role for the rest of his career. In New Orleans he played w/ Tyreke (who is a point forward) when their guards were decimated but eventually lost his spot to Norris Cole (who's basically RM's clone).

[tholdren]

They tried him out at PG when he was a rookie but he was a disaster thus he simply became a backup SG & that has been his role for the rest of his career. In New Orleans he played w/ Tyreke (who is a point forward) when their guards were decimated but eventually lost his spot to Norris Cole (who's basically RM's clone).

meh - sacramento was a PGs heaven. no limit running and gunning. Jimmer got froze out by garbage players on a garbage franchise who wanted to play cityball. Its amazing Mccallum could only muster 2 apg in 20 minutes in that trash hole. It really says something about his court vision and distribution skills. Will be interesting to watch SA develop him, but Jimmer is the better player.

[Seventyniner]

apalisoc_9 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260)

Say it in your own words, bitch. Don't be trying to dick ride Jimmer later like you did with Kawhi.

Jimmer's dick appears to already be taken.

[benefactor]

Jesus, 59 pages for a borderline NBA scrub:lol..ohhhh, the love non-Black basketball players receive and the false hope they produce, so adorable..
Most of it is one poster tbh

[tholdren]

Most of it is one poster tbh
one poster and your incredible commentary. thanks for the update

[Kawhitstorm]

meh - sacramento was a PGs heaven. no limit running and gunning. Jimmer got froze out by garbage players on a garbage franchise who wanted to play cityball. Its amazing Mccallum could only muster 2 apg in 20 minutes in that trash hole. It really says something about his court vision and distribution skills. Will be interesting to watch SA develop him, but Jimmer is the better player.

"cityball" / "Jummer is the better player".......you must be white as fuck

[TheGreatYacht]

"cityball" / "Jummer is the better player".......you must be white as fuck
Tell us more about your infatuation for silverback gorilla, Serena Williams

[tholdren]

"cityball" / "Jummer is the better player".......you must be white as fuck
the difference is, I care if spurs win, not if ray mccallum scores more than (insert player). The other way, your way, is city ball. You probably find no fault with giving up offensive rebounds as long as your same guy scores, and I'm sure you root for your favorite player to score more rather than defend better. Enjoy your NBA LIVE

[Kawhitstorm]

Tell us more about your infatuation for silverback gorilla, Serena Williams

I get it, I get it...you've a shrimp dick & are projecting your hate on women. Listen you can always buy pussy so don't go out there on a shooting rampage.


the difference is, I care if spurs win, not if ray mccallum scores more than (insert player). The other way, your way, is city ball. You probably find no fault with giving up offensive rebounds as long as your same guy scores, and I'm sure you root for your favorite player to score more rather than defend better. Enjoy your NBA LIVE

Bruh, can you sound any more whiter or amateurism? Jebuzz!

[tholdren]

I get it, I get it...you've a shrimp dick & are projecting your hate on women. Listen you can always buy pussy so don't go out there on a shooting rampage.



Bruh, can you sound any more whiter or amateurism? Jebuzz!
Lol - amateur because I expect "professionals" to do more than just dunk. you just went from NBA LIVE to NBA JAM

[Kawhitstorm]

Lol - amateur because I expect "professionals" to do more than just dunk. you just went from NBA LIVE to NBA JAM

Oh, okay you must be one of those folks who only exposure to sports is video games. I thought you were trollin' but you're just a loud mouthed idiot.

[Spurtacular]

They tried him out at PG when he was a rookie but he was a disaster thus he simply became a backup SG & that has been his role for the rest of his career. In New Orleans he played w/ Tyreke (who is a point forward) when their guards were decimated but eventually lost his spot to Norris Cole (who's basically RM's clone).

Jimmer has played PG at times in all four years in the league. I've followed him to know that you're talking out of your ass as per usual.

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer's dick appears to already be taken.

That ain't gonna stop apalisoc_9 from slurping it down when the time comes.

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmer has played PG at times in all four years in the league. I've followed him to know that you're talking out of your ass as per usual.

IDIOT, "at times" (rookie season) doesn't equate to the MAJORITY of his career. He fuckin' got waived b/c he lost his minutes to none other than RM. He went to a decimated New Orleans teams & didn't even make the playoff roster. If you think him being the shortest guy on the court makes him a point guard (just like folks who think Patty is a PG) then log off fam.

[Spurtacular]

IDIOT, "at times" (rookie season) doesn't equate to the MAJORITY of his career. He fuckin' got waived b/c he lost his minutes to none other than RM. He went to a decimated New Orleans teams & didn't even make the playoff roster. If you think him being the shortest guy on the court makes him a point guard (just like folks who think Patty is a PG) then log off fam.

It was the majority of his career from a minutes standpoint. His minutes were highest his rookie season. Also, he played more PG his second season; and his third season perhaps too. Yes, he played more SG in years two and three; but that was not precluding him from playing PG. It wasn't til NOL that he played primarily SG. And he still played some PG there as well.

So, take your idiot talk and put it back in your ass where it belongs. I followed this guy daily to know. You're just some fucktard pretending to know shit.

[Kawhitstorm]

It was the majority of his career from a minutes standpoint. His minutes were highest his rookie season. Also, he played more PG his second season; and his third season perhaps too. Yes, he played more SG in years two and three; but that was not precluding him from playing PG. It wasn't til NOL that he played primarily SG. And he still played some PG there as well.

So, take your idiot talk and put it back in your ass where it belongs. I followed this guy daily to know. You're just some fucktard pretending to know shit.

Idiot, he got run out of town by RM. If you want are telling me you followed Jimmer when he was warming the bench then you must be a flee that lives on his nuts.

[Spurtacular]

Idiot, he got run out of town by RM. If you want are telling me you followed Jimmer when he was warming the bench then you must be a flee that lives on his nuts.

The inmates ran the asylum in Sacramento. RM getting minutes over Jimmer in Sac means nothing. Jimmer is a much more skilled/versatile player than RM. Now, Jimmer's in a good situation in which players get minutes on merit. He'll be bombing while RM awaits his crumb minutes.

[Kawhitstorm]

The inmates ran the asylum in Sacramento. RM getting minutes over Jimmer in Sac means nothing. Jimmer is a much more skilled/versatile player than RM. Now, Jimmer's in a good situation in which players get minutes on merit. He'll be bombing while RM awaits his crumb minutes.

Excuses, excuses, excuses......What was the reason he ended up losing his minutes to none other than mid-season pickup Tony Douglas in New Orleans after starting the season as the backup PG? They ended up trading for Norris Cole & signing Douglas after Jrue Holiday got injured b/c Jimmer was a disaster as a backup PG. During camp they probably thought they didn't need a backup PG b/c of Tyreke but changed their minds once Jrue got injured.

[apalisoc_9]

White dudes trying to hype up a white scrub..And an American at that :lol

White Americans playing basketball :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Excuses, excuses, excuses......What was the reason he ended up losing his minutes to none other than mid-season pickup Tony Douglas in New Orleans after starting the season as the backup PG? They ended up trading for Norris Cole & signing Douglas after Jrue Holiday got injured b/c Jimmer was a disaster as a backup PG. During camp they probably thought they didn't need a backup PG b/c of Tyreke but changed their minds once Jrue got injured.

Jimmer wasn't NOP's back-up PG. He played some limited PG for them. Rolling the dice on Norris Cole is understandable; though, he seems to be nothing much w/o Lebron spoonfeeding him. Bringing in washed up Douglas? Don't ask me to defend NOP's incompetence. They don't know what they're doing. That's precisely why it was a bad fit for Jimmer.

[Spurtacular]

Norris Cole (who's basically RM's clone).

Yup, NC and RM are both nothing special. That somehow doesn't stop you from talking up RM, though.

Jimmer will be great with minutes in a great system. He's great on pick and role and one of the best three shooters in the league. Don't be mad he can bomb, bro.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yup, NC and RM are both nothing special. That somehow doesn't stop you from talking up RM, though.

Jimmer will be great with minutes in a great system. He's great on pick and role and one of the best three shooters in the league. Don't be mad he can bomb, bro.

Bonner is also one of the best shooters in the league...... if only he could get his shot off. Besides, Norris Cole was a backup on a championship team meanwhile Jimmer can't even make it as an end of the bench guy anywhere in the league.

[apalisoc_9]

SMDH 60 pages because this nigga is white..

:lol

[Spurtacular]

Bonner is also one of the best shooters in the league...... if only he could get his shot off. Besides, Norris Cole was a backup on a championship team meanwhile Jimmer can't even make it as an end of the bench guy anywhere in the league.

Heat could've used a shooter like Jimmer in the 2014 Finals. Getting rid of Miller cost them. Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers weren't up to the challenge.

[benfti]

if reddick who plays no lick of defense can survive in the nba, then why cant fredette?

hence there are wankers in the league who have no skillset are still in t he league...

fredette needs to do something, can he improve his defense and playmaking? reddick can handle to ball with some level of proficiency, moves ok off the ball and hit more than 20% from three.

Ferdette is a one trick pony who's trick takes about 4 seconds of scouting to find out.

I would be be shocked if he made it out of camp.

[Kawhitstorm]

Heat could've used a shooter like Jimmer in the 2014 Finals. Getting rid of Miller cost them. Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers weren't up to the challenge.

LMAO, Norris Cole got Jimmer demoted when he arrive in New Orleans & took his job the moment he stepped into the locker-room. Jimmer makes Mario seem like the next coming of John Stockton.