Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal) [Archive] - Page 13

Spurtacular

12-11-2015, 08:20 PM

He should probably just concentrate on making more shots: 13/38 from the floor in the last two games, both losses.

Jimmer started slow and finished strong in the OKC game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOci0tNQ6kc

He was only 4-14 last game but commanded double teams as the announcers kept saying. And he went 10-11 from the line and had a three for an eFG of 48.7, which isn't bad for a so-called off night.

Mmmkay.

ChumpDumper

12-11-2015, 09:10 PM

Jimmer started slow and finished strong in the OKC game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOci0tNQ6kc

He was only 4-14 last game but commanded double teams as the announcers kept saying. And he went 10-11 from the line and had a three for an eFG of 48.7, which isn't bad for a so-called off night.

Mmmkay.Shitty shooting = losses.

Bad.

Mmmkay.

Spurtacular

12-12-2015, 02:01 PM

Shitty shooting = losses.

Bad.

Mmmkay.

One team played great; the other played mediocre. The result was far from a surprise.

Mmmkay.

Spurtacular

12-12-2015, 08:23 PM

McCallum sucked in his CoJo start against the lowly Lakers. He added garbage numbers late to take his stat line from absolutely dreadful to mediocre at best.

ChumpDumper

12-12-2015, 08:24 PM

Still better than Jimmer.

playbonner15

12-13-2015, 12:30 PM

If Jimmer can take the D-League Knicks to a Finals appearance, then a team might snatch him. Otherwise, he will fade to obscurity and this thread will not reach 103 pages :wakeup

littlecoyotecoin

12-13-2015, 03:46 PM

If Jimmer can take the D-League Knicks to a Finals appearance, then a team might snatch him. Otherwise, he will fade to obscurity and this thread will not reach 103 pages :wakeup

Challenge accepted!

Spurtacular

12-13-2015, 04:33 PM

Still better than Jimmer.

He's not. Taking Butler and sticking with Simmons has worked out. But McCallum is a waste of a spot. Kings of all organizations ripped the Spurs off by taking a 2nd for McCallum. Jimmer is way better, too.

littlecoyotecoin

12-13-2015, 05:01 PM

He's not. Taking Butler and sticking with Simmons has worked out. But McCallum is a waste of a spot. Kings of all organizations ripped the Spurs off by taking a 2nd for McCallum. Jimmer is way better, too.

Jimmer is in the D-league, and McCallum is outplaying him in the NBA. McCallum can play a role in the NBA whereas Jimmer could not. Just a chucker even in D-league. He's one step above a taco the kids get to chase around the bases. He's a minor league ticket draw, and sells some popcorn and hotdogs.

Spurtacular

12-13-2015, 07:12 PM

Jimmer is in the D-league, and McCallum is outplaying him in the NBA. McCallum can play a role in the NBA whereas Jimmer could not. Just a chucker even in D-league. He's one step above a taco the kids get to chase around the bases. He's a minor league ticket draw, and sells some popcorn and hotdogs.

This is one of the more idiotic takes I've read.

2015-16 RM NBA: 1.8 Pts 0.8 Asts 1.3 Reb 0.2 Stls 0.2 Blks 38 FG 25 3FG 100 FT
2015-16 JF DL: 25.0 Pts 5.2 Asts 4.3 Rebs 2.3 Stls 0.0 Blks 47 FG 45 3FG 92 FT

Mel_13

12-13-2015, 07:19 PM

1. Ray is on the roster of an NBA contender.

2. Jimmer is in the DLeague because there isn't a single NBA team willing to offer him a roster spot.

3. Ray and Jimmer found themselves on the roster of the same NBA team twice in the last two years. Both of those franchises chose to cut Jimmer and retain Ray.

Those are the simple, stubborn facts.

Lostwingman

12-13-2015, 07:23 PM

This is one of the more idiotic takes I've read.

2015-16 RM NBA: 1.8 Pts 0.8 Asts 1.3 Reb 0.2 Stls 0.2 Blks 38 FG 25 3FG 100 FT
2015-16 JF DL: 25.0 Pts 5.2 Asts 4.3 Rebs 2.3 Stls 0.0 Blks 47 FG 45 3FG 92 FT

And Kyle last year put up monster stats in DLeague (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kyle-Anderson/D-League/24265). No one is impressed with DLeague chucking.

Spurtacular

12-13-2015, 08:39 PM

And Kyle last year put up monster stats in DLeague (http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kyle-Anderson/D-League/24265). No one is impressed with DLeague chucking.

And Kyle is in the league b/c he showed what he can do. Same with Jimmer. He'll be up again. There's no doubt about that. Only trolls are saying otherwise.

littlecoyotecoin

12-13-2015, 10:22 PM

And Kyle is in the league b/c he showed what he can do. Same with Jimmer. He'll be up again. There's no doubt about that. Only trolls are saying otherwise.

And, Ray is shooting 50% this regular season from the NBA 3 point line. Not so much Jimmer.

ChumpDumper

12-13-2015, 10:23 PM

SpursFan86

12-13-2015, 10:24 PM

Is this shit going to continue all season?

ChumpDumper

12-13-2015, 10:25 PM

And Kyle is in the league b/c he showed what he can do. Same with Jimmer. He'll be up again. There's no doubt about that. Only trolls are saying otherwise.Remains to be seen. If he can actually accept being a role player in the NBA, he could stick. If he just chucks the ball every time like he's having BYU flashbacks, he's destined to playing in the minor leagues no matter what god he prays to.

Lostwingman

12-13-2015, 11:23 PM

And Kyle is in the league b/c he showed what he can do. Same with Jimmer. He'll be up again. There's no doubt about that. Only trolls are saying otherwise.

No one needs an undersized chucker whose best talent is hogging the ball.

Spurtacular

12-13-2015, 11:24 PM

And, Ray is shooting 50% this regular season from the NBA 3 point line. Not so much Jimmer.

Fail. Ray is shooting half that, 25 3FG this season. He shoot 32.8 3FG on his career, which isn't that great frankly.

Meanwhile, Jimmer has rebounded and is shooting 45.8 3FG.

A year or two from now, Jimmer will be in an NBA rotation and Ray McCallum will be out of the league.

Beaverfuzz

12-14-2015, 12:06 AM

Jimmer = ap?

littlecoyotecoin

12-14-2015, 12:40 AM

Fail. Ray is shooting half that, 25 3FG this season. He shoot 32.8 3FG on his career, which isn't that great frankly.

Meanwhile, Jimmer has rebounded and is shooting 45.8 3FG.

A year or two from now, Jimmer will be in an NBA rotation and Ray McCallum will be out of the league.

I was pretty sure Ray was 1/2 this season from 3. Don't think your numbers are right, but it's irrelevant. I was yankin' yer chain. The point being, the one three he made, was in the N. B. A.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 01:39 AM

I was pretty sure Ray was 1/2 this season from 3. Don't think your numbers are right, but it's irrelevant. I was yankin' yer chain. The point being, the one three he made, was in the N. B. A.

Weak sauce, brah.

littlecoyotecoin

12-14-2015, 08:27 AM

Weak sauce, brah.

I don't have the time to do it justice, today. But, you conjure Ray. A different Ray. Ray Liotta. In character, unbeknownst to him, consuming a few nonessential gyri from his own brain, he continued to act like an idiot saying stupid things like: "Weak sauce, brah hahahahaha". "This is good, is there any more?"

ceperez

12-14-2015, 08:31 AM

Here's Jimmer's replacement for the Spurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YISvSBZ6dFM

Feast on that 3 point shooting!

littlecoyotecoin

12-14-2015, 08:53 AM

Here's Jimmer's replacement for the Spurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YISvSBZ6dFM

Feast on that 3 point shooting!

Well, he definitely shoots the three better than Jimmer.

ceperez

12-14-2015, 08:58 AM

Well, he definitely shoots the three better than Jimmer.

Also much harder to block. I think its pretty much settled, Spurs can take a big defensive player that can't shoot and make them into 3 point shooters. You can teach a player to shoot 3's, but you can never teach length.

sasaint

12-14-2015, 09:15 AM

Well, he definitely shoots the three better than Jimmer.

Cady's progress since summer league is phenomenal. Next season with the mother ship.

Mel_13

12-14-2015, 12:37 PM

Everyone is staying!

At this point last season, there had been 11 call ups to the NBA. So far this season, we are stuck on three. That will almost certainly change come Jan. 5 when NBA clubs can offer 10-day contracts to free agents, but for now it creates a logjam of talent in the D-League.

We have teamed up with Adam Johnson of D-League Digest this season to provide a comprehensive ranking for the top-10 players in the league each week. You can check out last week’s rankings here.

This week we have two newcomers and the biggest mover is Vince Hunter, who jumped three spots into the top five.
Player Rankings

1) E. Williams — Santa Cruz Warriors (Last week: No. 1)

Averages: 29.3 points, 7.4 rebounds and 6.3 assists on 51% FG and 36% 3PT

2) Erick Green — Reno Bighorns (2)

Averages: 30.0 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.3 assists on 53% FG and 44% 3PT

3) Sean Kilpatrick — Delaware 87ers (4)

Averages: 25.9 points, 3.9 rebounds and 1.6 assists on 51% FG and 47% 3PT

4) Malcolm Thomas — Los Angeles D-Fenders (3)

Averages: 17.7 points, 12.0 rebounds and 2.4 blocks on 54% FG and 62% FT

5) Vince Hunter — Reno Bighorns (8)

Averages: 20.8 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.1 blocks on 55% FG and 59% FT

6) Darington Hobson — Santa Cruz Warriors (6)

Averages: 18.8 points, 9.0 rebounds, 5.4 assists on 41% FG and 39% 3PT

7) Lorenzo Brown — Grand Rapids Drive (unranked)

Averages: 16.6 points, 5.4 rebounds and 6.2 assists on 48% FG and 36% 3PT

8) Ronald Roberts Jr. — Raptors 905 (unranked)

Averages: 15.3 points, 12.7 rebounds and 1.7 blocks on 59% FG and 52% FT

9) Jeff Ayres — Idaho Stampede (5)

Averages: 15.9 points, 8.4 rebounds and 2.1 assists on 55% FG and 85% FT

10) Earl Clark — Bakersfield Jam (7)

Averages: 22.4 points, 8.6 rebounds and 2.6 assists on 44% FG and 44% 3PT

On the cusp: Jarell Eddie, Alex Stepheson and Jimmer Fredette

http://upsidemotor.com/2015/12/14/nba-d-league-rankings-call-ups-vince-hunter-******-williams/

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 04:27 PM

Here's Jimmer's replacement for the Spurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YISvSBZ6dFM

Feast on that 3 point shooting!

He looks better there than he did in summer league and preseason.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 04:34 PM

Also much harder to block. I think its pretty much settled, Spurs can take a big defensive player that can't shoot and make them into 3 point shooters. You can teach a player to shoot 3's, but you can never teach length.

You're over simplifying.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 04:36 PM

9) Jeff Ayres — Idaho Stampede (5)

Averages: 15.9 points, 8.4 rebounds and 2.1 assists on 55% FG and 85% FT

He's a serviceable NBA player.

littlecoyotecoin

12-14-2015, 06:26 PM

This is one of the more idiotic takes I've read.

2015-16 RM NBA: 1.8 Pts 0.8 Asts 1.3 Reb 0.2 Stls 0.2 Blks 38 FG 25 3FG 100 FT
2015-16 JF DL: 25.0 Pts 5.2 Asts 4.3 Rebs 2.3 Stls 0.0 Blks 47 FG 45 3FG 92 FT

compare to minutes played and percentages, silly...

And Jimmer 2015-2016 NBA

0-0-0-0-0-0-0

Ray is playing a limited minute role and doing adequately. Jimmer could not.

littlecoyotecoin

12-14-2015, 06:32 PM

He's a serviceable NBA player.

We agree there. He got a bad rap because his fumbling was so conspicuous and often comical. But, we could have done worse. Glad you defended him, because he made top ten at Jimmer's expense.

Give me Eddie. That guy has a sweet jumper

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 07:08 PM

We agree there. He got a bad rap because his fumbling was so conspicuous and often comical. But, we could have done worse. Glad you defended him, because he made top ten at Jimmer's expense.

Give me Eddie. That guy has a sweet jumper

I've consistently defended Ayers. Where someone ranks him compared to Jimmer is not relative to that fact.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 07:09 PM

compare to minutes played and percentages, silly...

And Jimmer 2015-2016 NBA

0-0-0-0-0-0-0

Ray is playing a limited minute role and doing adequately. Jimmer could not.

Yea..no.

Jimmer has played great in the D-League. Ray has played mediocre at best. And don't expect it to get better. What you've seen; that's as good as it's gonna get. Jimmer can do everything Ray can do and more.

ChumpDumper

12-14-2015, 07:10 PM

Yea..no.

Jimmer has played great in the D-League. Ray has played mediocre at best. And don't expect it to get better. What you've seen; that's as good as it's gonna get. Jimmer can do everything Ray can do and more.Except play Spurs basketball.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 07:21 PM

Except play Spurs basketball.

When Parker or Mills go down, Ray will make people miss the days of CoJo. Book it.

ChumpDumper

12-14-2015, 07:24 PM

When Parker or Mills go down, Ray will make people miss the days of CoJo. Book it.Sure, Joseph was pretty much the best third PG in the league -- but no one will miss the days of Jimmer.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 07:26 PM

Sure, Joseph was pretty much the best third PG in the league -- but no one will miss the days of Jimmer.

They will when he's lighting it up and thinking about what they could have had.

ChumpDumper

12-14-2015, 07:29 PM

They will when he's lighting it up and thinking about what they could have had.He can't light it up in the NBA, so no.

He may get picked up by some crappy team after the showcase, but all he would do on the Spurs is take away shots from much better players.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 07:39 PM

He can't light it up in the NBA, so no.

He may get picked up by some crappy team after the showcase, but all he would do on the Spurs is take away shots from much better players.

He'd be spreading the floor and nailing threes and making drives. Ray can't offer this, and he never will.

ChumpDumper

12-14-2015, 07:47 PM

He'd be spreading the floor and nailing threes and making drives. Ray can't offer this, and he never will.Jimmer can't offer this, and he never will. Jimmer is just a chucker who thinks he's a lot better than he actually is. There is absolutely no place for a guy like that on the Spurs.

Lostwingman

12-14-2015, 07:53 PM

He'd be spreading the floor and nailing threes and making drives. Ray can't offer this, and he never will.

This isn't your livejournal, no need for fanfiction here.

Spurtacular

12-14-2015, 10:54 PM

Jimmer with 21 hard fought points while shooting fifty percent from the field and racking up three steals and a block in yesterday's game. His +6 corresponds with his team's margin of victory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFFgKV3ZGxs

Some good dribbling by Jimmer at between the 1:43:00 and 1:45:00 marks. Smooth between the legs; later, splitting a double team while going behind his back. He wasn't doing that in preseason. He needs to do that more in the vain of Curry.

tholdren

12-14-2015, 11:13 PM

Except play Spurs basketball.

I wish I knew for sure if it was his attitude or play that got him the boot.

ChumpDumper

12-14-2015, 11:15 PM

I wish I knew for sure if it was his attitude or play that got him the boot.His play was bad enough all on its own. If he had attitude on top of it, wow.

Mel_13

12-14-2015, 11:18 PM

cd98

12-14-2015, 11:27 PM

Jimmer is fun to watch in the D League. I just don't think he'll find a role that lets him do that in the NBA. I'll give him this, he never bad mouths teams that cut him. I think the talk about his attitude is probably over exaggerated.

SAGirl

12-15-2015, 01:40 AM

The issue with Jimmer was the same as the issue with REggie Williams: defense, or rather the lack thereof from both guys.

snickles

12-15-2015, 05:00 PM

You're over simplifying.

no, actually his take was pretty spot on.

Yea..no.

Jimmer has played great in the D-League. Ray has played mediocre at best.

does the difference between the d-league and the real league need to be explained to you?

And don't expect it to get better. What you've seen; that's as good as it's gonna get.

so....you completely ignore all the flaws to Jimmer's game...but then say Ray won't get better based on.....nothing? there's no way he'll improve? this is his ceiling? based on....nothing? great take.

seriously spurtacular, i don't get it. i've seen you have some really solid takes in here before. but this jimmer fascination....it borders on blatant trolling. what is the fascination on what would have been the 15th man on the team.

and i'm not a jimmer hater. i'm on record here saying i'd have kept him over bonner to see if he could develop into something serviceable. but then again, i was pulling for eddiy curry a few seasons ago. maybe i'm just a softie.

but the entire league has spoken. jimmer still isn't on anyone's roster. the spurs front office passed on him, even though he was making relative pennies. and i'm have too much faith in the braintrust that brought us trophies in 3 different decades to lose this much sleep over a marginal player.

Jimmer can do everything Ray can do and more.[/QUOTE]

snickles

12-15-2015, 05:01 PM

Smooth between the legs; later, splitting a double team while going behind his back.

sounds like a girl i knew in college....

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 05:20 PM

I would say that this thread shoud be moved to the NBA forum, but Jimmer isn't really an NBA player at this point.

Glad he is playing well in the D-league and I wish him well with a solid career overseas.

tmtcsc

12-15-2015, 05:35 PM

Anthony Tolliver Pt. 2

GSH

12-15-2015, 05:39 PM

Jimmer with 21 hard fought points while shooting fifty percent from the field and racking up three steals and a block in yesterday's game. His +6 corresponds with his team's margin of victory.

This reminds me of all the Mahinmi and Blair threads, after they went to Dallas. Every time they made it down the court without tripping, someone was crying that it "proved" how good they really were. "If Pop had only given him a chance. Waaah."

And Blair/Mahinmi were both more valuable at the NBA level than J-J-J-Jimmer.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 09:48 PM

This reminds me of all the Mahinmi and Blair threads, after they went to Dallas. Every time they made it down the court without tripping, someone was crying that it "proved" how good they really were. "If Pop had only given him a chance. Waaah."

And Blair/Mahinmi were both more valuable at the NBA level than J-J-J-Jimmer.

I never liked Mahimi. And to the best of my knowledge, Blair requested to leave. I guess the caveat was unless he had an increased role. As for Jimmer, people can think what they want. I think he's a much better player than McCallum though.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:00 PM

so....you completely ignore all the flaws to Jimmer's game...but then say Ray won't get better based on.....nothing? there's no way he'll improve? this is his ceiling? based on....nothing? great take.

What flaws am I allegedly ignoring? How is Jimmer's game not better than Ray's? McCallum is nothing special whatsoever.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:04 PM

and i'm not a jimmer hater. i'm on record here saying i'd have kept him over bonner to see if he could develop into something serviceable.

No need to get rid of Bonner when the Spurs could've just cut McCallum whose services would not be needed with Jimmer around.

Mel_13

12-15-2015, 10:08 PM

No need to get rid of Bonner when the Spurs could've just cut McCallum whose services would not be needed with Jimmer around.

The Spurs decided, with far more information about both players than we have, to cut Jimmer as he was not needed with Ray around. They were the second NBA franchise to choose Ray over Jimmer.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:13 PM

The Spurs decided, with far more information about both players than we have, to cut Jimmer as he was not needed with Ray around. They were the second NBA franchise to choose Ray over Jimmer.

I love how trolls keep arguing that teams have an heir of infallibility.

Mel_13

12-15-2015, 10:15 PM

I love how trolls keep arguing that teams have an heir of infallibility.

:lol

Resorting to name calling.

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 10:18 PM

I love how trolls keep arguing that teams have an heir of infallibility.

He has had several opportunities and at this point every NBA team is choosing not to sign him to an NBA contract.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:29 PM

He has had several opportunities and at this point every NBA team is choosing not to sign him to an NBA contract.

That goes for the entire d-league. Maybe, we should cancel the league. The teams have spoken after all.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:29 PM

:lol

Resorting to name calling.

Classifying, tbh.

Mel_13

12-15-2015, 10:31 PM

Classifying, tbh.

So, people who disagree with you and point out simple facts are trolls?

Got it.

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 10:33 PM

That goes for the entire d-league. Maybe, we should cancel the league. The teams have spoken after all.

The teams have spoken by not currently offering him an NBA contract. Maybe that means Jimmer belongs in the D-League and not on an NBA roster.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:40 PM

So, people who disagree with you and point out simple facts are trolls?

Got it.

Simple facts? Try fallacies.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:41 PM

The teams have spoken by not currently offering him an NBA contract. Maybe that means Jimmer belongs in the D-League and not on an NBA roster.

I thought we were gonna cancel the d-league since final determinations have been made? What happened to that train of thought?

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 10:42 PM

I thought we were gonna cancel the d-league since final determinations have been made? What happened to that train of thought?

I never said that the D-league should be canceled. That was the suggestion in your post.

Mel_13

12-15-2015, 10:49 PM

Simple facts? Try fallacies.

:lol

It is a fact that Jimmer and Ray were on the same team twice in the last two years. Both teams cut Jimmer and retained Ray. Simple facts.

GSH

12-15-2015, 10:54 PM

I love how trolls keep arguing that teams have an heir of infallibility.

LMAO... you just called Mel_13 a troll? Seriously? A person who has been here for years and years, making good solid posts about basketball? And because he says something you personally disagree with, he's a troll? That's seriously as fucking ignorant as all the krew losers.

Tell you what. We'll take up a collection and see if we can get one of Jimmer's old jocks for you to sniff. You've earned it.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:56 PM

I never said that the D-league should be canceled. That was the suggestion in your post.

Yea, but by your logic there was no need for a d-league. NBA determinations are set in stone.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:57 PM

:lol

It is a fact that Jimmer and Ray were on the same team twice in the last two years. Both teams cut Jimmer and retained Ray. Simple facts.

Simple facts that ignore complexities. Ray McCallum is nothing special; Jimmer has long term potential.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 10:59 PM

LMAO... you just called Mel_13 a troll? Seriously? A person who has been here for years and years, making good solid posts about basketball? And because he says something you personally disagree with, he's a troll? That's seriously as fucking ignorant as all the krew losers.

Tell you what. We'll take up a collection and see if we can get one of Jimmer's old jocks for you to sniff. You've earned it.

You can eat a dick for all I care.

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 11:01 PM

Yea, but by your logic there was no need for a d-league. NBA determinations are set in stone.

I never said there isn't a need for a D-league. In fact it is a good place for Jimmer since he can't currently get an NBA contract. You just can't admit that Jimmer might belong in the D-league instead of the NBA.

Spurtacular

12-15-2015, 11:04 PM

I never said there isn't a need for a D-league. In fact it is a good place for Jimmer since he can't currently get an NBA contract. You just can't admit that Jimmer might belong in the D-league instead of the NBA.

I think you're putting words in my mouth. Actually, I think Jimmer is benefiting from the solid amount of minutes he's getting. None of that is to refute: Jimmer > Ray.

Mel_13

12-15-2015, 11:10 PM

Simple facts that ignore complexities. Ray McCallum is nothing special; Jimmer has long term potential.

:lol

So, not fallacies then?

Your evaluation of Jimmer is not shared by anyone in a position to hire him to play in the NBA. Beyond that, two separate NBA teams had both players under contract and both chose Ray over Jimmer. Not that complex.

Those people are not infallible, but Jimmer has been a pro for five years, is nearly 27 years old, and finds himself without one of the 450 roster spots in the NBA. It seems much more likely that he finds himself in that situation due to his own shortcomings rather than the collective failure of 30 NBA player evaluation staffs.

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 11:30 PM

I think you're putting words in my mouth. Actually, I think Jimmer is benefiting from the solid amount of minutes he's getting. None of that is to refute: Jimmer > Ray.

Ray has an nba contract. Jimmer does not.

TXstbobcat

12-15-2015, 11:33 PM

:lol

So, not fallacies then?

Your evaluation of Jimmer is not shared by anyone in a position to hire him to play in the NBA. Beyond that, two separate NBA teams had both players under contract and both chose Ray over Jimmer. Not that complex.

Those people are not infallible, but Jimmer has been a pro for five years, is nearly 27 years old, and finds himself without one of the 450 roster spots in the NBA. It seems much more likely that he finds himself in that situation due to his own shortcomings rather than the collective failure of 30 NBA player evaluation staffs.

i honestly don't think there is anything that you or anyone else can say that will change his opinion That jimmer has a bright future in the NBA.

Mel_13

12-15-2015, 11:41 PM

i honestly don't think there is anything that you or anyone else can say that will change his opinion That jimmer has a bright future in the NBA.

It does appear unlikely.

ChumpDumper

12-15-2015, 11:45 PM

Simple facts that ignore complexities. Ray McCallum is nothing special; Jimmer has long term potential.
How many more seasons do you think he needs to fulfill his potential?

K...

12-15-2015, 11:50 PM

What if Jimmer became an actor? In a basketball movie. Do you think he'd be good in that? I really want Jimmer to succeed at something for spurtacular's sake.

cd98

12-15-2015, 11:52 PM

I think it's time for Spurtacular and ChumpDumper to have a wager regarding whether or not Jimmer makes it back into the NBA this year.

monkeypunk

12-16-2015, 12:20 AM

You can eat a dick for all I care.

Now now, what would Joseph Smith say if he heard you speaking like that?

ceperez

12-16-2015, 06:10 AM

Jimmer Fredette had the perfect chance with the Spurs to redeem his career. It did not happen.

A shooter being waived by the Spurs is "damaged goods". If Fredette can't cut it with the Spurs then he certainly can't cut it with other NBA teams.

Chinook

12-16-2015, 07:44 AM

i honestly don't think there is anything that you or anyone else can say that will change his opinion That jimmer has a bright future in the NBA.

It does appear unlikely.

My father still believes that Jeff Fischer is the only thing that stopped Vince Young from dominating the NFL. It's like that with Spurtacular.

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

12-16-2015, 08:34 AM

The issue with Jimmer was the same as the issue with REggie Williams: defense, or rather the lack thereof from both guys.

In all due respect, Williams was atrocious on D. Jimmer is a slightly below avg defender in the NBA. But yeah, that does meet the SPurs minimum standard as they require players to play at least above avg NBA defense. Expections would be Beli and Bonner, but their offensive shooting made up for their defensive lapses.

Problem was, you saw Jimmer trying to change his release while playing with the Spurs. It was like 5x faster than his normal release, but the dude was only shooting like 21% from 3.

As I mentioned before, due to the horrible play of Simmons and the pedestrian play of Anderson in the preseason, it forced Pop to have to keep Butler and cut Jimmer. If Simmons and KA played in the preseason like they are now, there is no doubt in my mind Jimmer would have made the team as a project player. But at the time, it wasn't a luxury the Spurs were afforded. And the moved paid off as Butler has been more than solid and allowed Simmons and KA to play less early so that they could work on improving their game. Plus having Butler still allows Manu to play hardly any minutes some games and also take games off.

I believe Jimmer will be available next year if the Spurs want to give him another shot if Ray doesn't pan out.

Chinook

12-16-2015, 08:41 AM

In all due respect, Williams was atrocious on D. Jimmer is a slightly below avg defender in the NBA. But yeah, that does meet the SPurs minimum standard as they require players to play at least above avg NBA defense. Expections would be Beli and Bonner, but their offensive shooting made up for their defensive lapses.

Problem was, you saw Jimmer trying to change his release while playing with the Spurs. It was like 5x faster than his normal release, but the dude was only shooting like 21% from 3.

As I mentioned before, due to the horrible play of Simmons and the pedestrian play of Anderson in the preseason, it forced Pop to have to keep Butler and cut Jimmer. If Simmons and KA played in the preseason like they are now, there is no doubt in my mind Jimmer would have made the team as a project player. But at the time, it wasn't a luxury the Spurs were afforded. And the moved paid off as Butler has been more than solid and allowed Simmons and KA to play less early so that they could work on improving their game. Plus having Butler still allows Manu to play hardly any minutes some games and also take games off.

I believe Jimmer will be available next year if the Spurs want to give him another shot if Ray doesn't pan out.

Williams totally outplayed Jimmer in the preseason. That's why he got cut. Butler REALLY outplayed him. Hell, Jimmer was probably tied with Sykes for worst player on that roster. There was no way he was making the team with that performance.

Cowboys_Wear_Spurs

12-16-2015, 08:53 AM

Williams totally outplayed Jimmer in the preseason. That's why he got cut. Butler REALLY outplayed him. Hell, Jimmer was probably tied with Sykes for worst player on that roster. There was no way he was making the team with that performance.

William did not. Williams was worse than Jimmer. Butler hardly played, but when he did, he showed what he was capable of. Pop gave most of the minutes at SG and SF coming off the bench to Simmons and KA and they both has very poor showings.

Pop himself said he thought Jimmer did well, but the Spurs didn't need him and had other needs to address and that is why he got cut, which I believe he was directly referring to Manu as being the only proven backup SG/SF on the team at the time with Simmons/KA shitting the bed in the preseason and Butler not even playing the Spurs system before this TC. I tend to believe Pop. Jimmer was not that bad. He was no worse than Mills when first joined the team. Spurs just didn't have the luxury to develop another Mills.

Seventyniner

12-16-2015, 08:59 AM

I love how trolls keep arguing that teams have an heir of infallibility.

I suppose the heir of infallibility is hubris.

ceperez

12-16-2015, 09:58 AM

In all due respect, Williams was atrocious on D. Jimmer is a slightly below avg defender in the NBA. But yeah, that does meet the SPurs minimum standard as they require players to play at least above avg NBA defense. Expections would be Beli and Bonner, but their offensive shooting made up for their defensive lapses.

Problem was, you saw Jimmer trying to change his release while playing with the Spurs. It was like 5x faster than his normal release, but the dude was only shooting like 21% from 3.

As I mentioned before, due to the horrible play of Simmons and the pedestrian play of Anderson in the preseason, it forced Pop to have to keep Butler and cut Jimmer. If Simmons and KA played in the preseason like they are now, there is no doubt in my mind Jimmer would have made the team as a project player. But at the time, it wasn't a luxury the Spurs were afforded. And the moved paid off as Butler has been more than solid and allowed Simmons and KA to play less early so that they could work on improving their game. Plus having Butler still allows Manu to play hardly any minutes some games and also take games off.

I believe Jimmer will be available next year if the Spurs want to give him another shot if Ray doesn't pan out.

Ray already isn't panning out. I think Jimmer has better IQ than Ray, but Jimmer is equally a liability in defense.

The weirdest lineup though was that of both Jimmer and Patty at the court at the same time.

PATFO had some idea when they signed Jimmer, what that was is hard to tell. I however just don't see that now.

GSH

12-16-2015, 10:04 AM

I suppose the heir of infallibility is hubris.

LOL. :bobo

Well done, sir.

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 03:17 PM

As I mentioned before, due to the horrible play of Simmons and the pedestrian play of Anderson in the preseason, it forced Pop to have to keep Butler and cut Jimmer. If Simmons and KA played in the preseason like they are now, there is no doubt in my mind Jimmer would have made the team as a project player.

I agree. I think there were definite worries about those two being quality rotation players; and the early season rotations (Simmons being benched and KA on a short leash) reflected that. I was mad about keeping Butler over Jimmer; but I'd be remiss if I didn't admit it's payed some dividends. I think the problem is that PATFO wasn't serioiusly looking at it as Ray vs. Jimmer when they should've been on that contingency.

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 03:21 PM

Ray already isn't panning out. I think Jimmer has better IQ than Ray, but Jimmer is equally a liability in defense.

Preseason; Ray and Jimmer were about the same on defense. Jimmer's defense has actually been a bit better in the d-league. I take that with a grain of salt given the competish; but he's playing passing lanes better and looking more comfortable. Therefore it was an offensive evaluation; and there is nothing that Ray does that Jimmer can't do and more. Putting Jimmer on the floor with four high quality players instead of the scrubs he played with preseason is a recipe for a ton of points in a hurry. That's not the case with Ray. Ray will never be anything more than "serviceable."

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 03:23 PM

Williams totally outplayed Jimmer in the preseason. That's why he got cut. Butler REALLY outplayed him. Hell, Jimmer was probably tied with Sykes for worst player on that roster. There was no way he was making the team with that performance.

I think you're very noticeably/belligerently bias on the subject, tbh. Jimmer was above Sykes. And really, the sample size was not that great.

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 03:26 PM

My father still believes that Jeff Fischer is the only thing that stopped Vince Young from dominating the NFL. It's like that with Spurtacular.

Terrible analogy. But at least I know what you're trying to say.

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 03:28 PM

Ray already isn't panning out.

Not sure how many ST'ers see it that way; but it'll be interesting to see what people think down the line. At this point, Ray hasn't really needed to pan out (all other guards being healthy); so, I don't think it's an issue on a lot of people's radars.

Mel_13

12-16-2015, 03:32 PM

Preseason; Ray and Jimmer were about the same on defense. Jimmer's defense has actually been a bit better in the d-league. I take that with a grain of salt given the competish; but he's playing passing lanes better and looking more comfortable. Therefore it was an offensive evaluation; and there is nothing that Ray does that Jimmer can't do and more. Putting Jimmer on the floor with four high quality players instead of the scrubs he played with preseason is a recipe for a ton of points in a hurry. That's not the case with Ray. Ray will never be anything more than "serviceable."

Let's assume that everything you say in this post and the one directly above it is absolutely true. Even in that best case for Jimmer view of the world, the best you can say is that he should have been kept ahead of Ray for the 15th spot on the roster. Which is to say he's a fringe NBA player who will be fighting with the likes of McCollum, Butler, and Williams for minimum salary, end of the bench roster spots for as long as he's able to remain associated with the NBA. He really needs to look into opportunities in leagues in Europe and China where he can make some real money and play something resembling the style of ball he played in college.

I'll now leave you to your obsession.

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 04:06 PM

Let's assume that everything you say in this post and the one directly above it is absolutely true. Even in that best case for Jimmer view of the world, the best you can say is that he should have been kept ahead of Ray for the 15th spot on the roster. Which is to say he's a fringe NBA player who will be fighting with the likes of McCollum, Butler, and Williams for minimum salary, end of the bench roster spots for as long as he's able to remain associated with the NBA. He really needs to look into opportunities in leagues in Europe and China where he can make some real money and play something resembling the style of ball he played in college.

I'll now leave you to your obsession.

Over simplification, dude. Had the Spurs kept Jimmer, his ceiling was not fringe player. He has stated his goal to be a NBA rotation player. If he had wanted to bolt overseas rather than achieve that goal, he would've done so.

Mel_13

12-16-2015, 04:11 PM

Over simplification, dude. Had the Spurs kept Jimmer, his ceiling was not fringe player. He has stated his goal to be a NBA rotation player. If he had wanted to bolt overseas rather than achieve that goal, he would've done so.

He wouldn't have played ahead of Parker and Mills any more than Ray has. Jimmer needs to set more realistic goals or change his game. BYU/Westchester Jimmer will never be a rotation player in the NBA. That ship has sailed.

ChumpDumper

12-16-2015, 05:20 PM

How many more seasons do you think he needs to fulfill his potential?

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 05:55 PM

He wouldn't have played ahead of Parker and Mills any more than Ray has. Jimmer needs to set more realistic goals or change his game. BYU/Westchester Jimmer will never be a rotation player in the NBA. That ship has sailed.

I think we can agree that the Spurs rotation is a littler harder to crack than most. But Jimmer like Ray would've played when guards had DNPs.

Mel_13

12-16-2015, 06:08 PM

I think we can agree that the Spurs rotation is a littler harder to crack than most. But Jimmer like Ray would've played when guards had DNPs.

Sure. If they chose him over Ray, he'd get the same 15th man minutes that Ray is getting. Ray isn't a rotation player on the Spurs and Jimmer wouldn't be either. I won't be shocked if Jimmer gets a call up, especially once 10 day contracts are possible in January. I will be shocked if any NBA team ever gives him the keys to the offense to play the way he's playing with Westchester. His NBA future, if he's to have one, will have to be based on an ability to play off the ball and knock down 3 pointers.

His time is running out. There are very few examples of guys his age that fallen out of the league making their way back. I can't think of any top 10 pick that busted out and returned later.

Spurtacular

12-16-2015, 06:19 PM

Sure. If they chose him over Ray, he'd get the same 15th man minutes that Ray is getting. Ray isn't a rotation player on the Spurs and Jimmer wouldn't be either. I won't be shocked if Jimmer gets a call up, especially once 10 day contracts are possible in January. I will be shocked if any NBA team ever gives him the keys to the offense to play the way he's playing with Westchester. His NBA future, if he's to have one, will have to be based on an ability to play off the ball and knock down 3 pointers.

His time is running out. There are very few examples of guys his age that fallen out of the league making their way back. I can't think of any top 10 pick that busted out and returned later.

I have no problem with your opinion. Some might say Jimmer is fighting an uphill battle. I disagree with those saying it's not possible is all.

Mel_13

12-16-2015, 06:31 PM

I have no problem with your opinion. Some might say Jimmer is fighting an uphill battle. I disagree with those saying it's not possible is all.

I haven't read all 3000+ posts, but anyone saying it's impossible is just trolling you. He almost made the Spurs this year, he's among the best players in the Dleague and there are usually a few dozen call-ups each season. It won't be a shock if some team takes a flyer on him once 10 day contracts are possible.

I do believe that he's facing a huge uphill battle if his goal is to become a rotation player in the NBA playing the way he played at BYU or the way he's playing with Westchester. That's an extremely unrealistic goal, imo.

snickles

12-17-2015, 03:55 PM

Over simplification, dude. Had the Spurs kept Jimmer, his ceiling was not fringe player.]

again, what are you basing this on? his play in the minor league in which anyone who's ever gotten a call up has dominated?

i'm honestly trying to understand your fascination with him.

He has stated his goal to be a NBA rotation player.

That proves absolutely nothing. Hell, I can state that same goal. What does his opinion of himself have to do with anything?

I have no problem with your opinion. Some might say Jimmer is fighting an uphill battle. I disagree with those saying it's not possible is all.

i'll admit i've been mostly skimming the last few pages, but i don't recall anyone saying it was impossible. Massively improbably at this point maybe, but not impossible. Some team could lose 3 point guards to season ending injuries i guess.

Ray and Jimmer

you do realize one had a fully guaranteed contract and one didn't right?

[QUOTE=Spurtacular; Ray will never be anything more than "serviceable.'

so we're going to continue presenting opinion as fact?

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 07:16 PM

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 07:20 PM

Great catch and shoot on a curl for a three on an out of bounds play; and then the defender had to guard Jimmer at 30 ft, and he blew by him for a 17 ft pull-up on the next play; ya ain't gettin' that with Ray freakin' McCallum, gents.

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 07:45 PM

so we're going to continue presenting opinion as fact?

How is me giving a bold opinion supposed to be a fact? That's a rhetorical question; you needn't answer.

you do realize one had a fully guaranteed contract and one didn't right?

There would've been a marginal cost to keeping Jjimmer over Ray; and given how stacked the Spurs are/were and that they were up against the cap, that was possibly the deciding factor. All the same, I'm saying keeping Jimmer over Ray would have left the Spurs a better team.

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 08:24 PM

Maine Redclaws taking it to the Westchester Knicks in the early going, going 5-7 on threes in the early going to take a 19-14 lead. Jimmer scoreless in the early going.

Game live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7TSD68ynPY

Jimmer (+26) with a vintage pull-up from three feet behind the line, giving him 17 pts on 7-12 shooting and 2-3 from behind the arc.

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 08:32 PM

Game in progress: Jimmer with a pretty (fast) spin move and pop (set up by his penetration throughout the night). Worth checking out at the 4:29 mark in the third. Then a couple possessions later, a great drive and left handed finish by Jimmer.

Jimmer (+27) is up to 21 pts on 9-14 shooting.

Mel_13

12-18-2015, 08:39 PM

Jimmer (+26) with a vintage pull-up from three feet behind the line, giving him 17 pts on 7-12 shooting and 2-3 from behind the arc.

Game in progress: Jimmer with a pretty (fast) spin move and pop (set up by his penetration throughout the night). Worth checking out at the 4:29 mark in the third. Then a couple possessions later, a great drive and left handed finish by Jimmer.

Jimmer (+27) is up to 21 pts on 9-14 shooting.

Posts #500 and #501 in this thread for you.

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 08:47 PM

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 08:49 PM

Posts #500 and #501 in this thread for you.

Nice; Let's have bimillennial celebration.

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 08:54 PM

:lmao. I had tuned out of the game; but when I looked the crowd were throwing a ton of give-away-mini-balls onto the court to protest the reffing at half way through the fourth.

cd98

12-18-2015, 09:14 PM

Lol watching this game or Spurs/Clippers? WTF?

Chinook

12-18-2015, 09:17 PM

Nice; Let's have bimillennial celebration.

Semimellennial*

Spurtacular

12-18-2015, 09:57 PM

Semimellennial*

Thanks.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 07:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0sWrB25CtU

In the latest game, Jimmer goes for a modest 19 on 8-14 FG, 3-6 3FG.

Next game is tomorrow.

littlecoyotecoin

12-20-2015, 09:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0sWrB25CtU

In the latest game, Jimmer goes for a modest 19 on 8-14 FG, 3-6 3FG.

Next game is tomorrow.

Good game from him. I think Jimmer has found his niche. He can be like a player-coach in the D-league, helping other guys that have a chance to make it in the NBA move on up the ladder. He's getting up there in age, so it would be a good transition for him from there to assistant coach in the D-league.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 06:13 PM

Good game from him. I think Jimmer has found his niche. He can be like a player-coach in the D-league, helping other guys that have a chance to make it in the NBA move on up the ladder. He's getting up there in age, so it would be a good transition for him from there to assistant coach in the D-league.

I think you've found your niche as an ST troll. It's not much; but maybe that's your ceiling.

BD24

12-20-2015, 06:19 PM

Spurtacular you don't still think this bum can be a rotation player in the NBA do you? Cmon give it up man.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 06:24 PM

Spurtacular you don't still think this bum can be a rotation player in the NBA do you? Cmon give it up man.

Why would I think that? Jimmer can put up 30 on any given night in the association.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 06:31 PM

Why would I think that? Jimmer can put up 30 on any given night in the association.

Jimmer has had 233 given nights in the association and never scored more than 24 points in a game. Only three games of 20 or more.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 06:34 PM

Jimmer has had 233 given nights in the association and never scored more than 24 points in a game. Only three games of 20 or more.

How many games has he played more than 30 minutes?

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 06:37 PM

How many games has he played more than 30 minutes?

Let's assume it's a very small number. That would also argue against your proposition.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 06:40 PM

5 of 233 with at least 30 minutes.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 06:43 PM

Let's assume it's a very small number. That would also argue against your proposition.

It doesn't. The Kings were a terrible organization that derailed Jimmer's career. He should've been routinely been playing 30 plus minute games. That didn't happen.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 06:46 PM

It doesn't. The Kings were a terrible organization that derailed Jimmer's career. He should've been routinely been playing 30 plus minute games. That didn't happen.

And the Bulls? And the Pelicans? And the Spurs? And the 30 NBA teams who won't sign Jimmer to a minimum contract.

Yeah, it's a conspiracy to keep Jimmer from realizing his true potential.

Let it go already.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 06:57 PM

5 of 233 with at least 30 minutes.

At one point in his rookie season, Jimmer was given 4 starts in a row; he averaged 16.5 ppg on a 30.7 mpg. He shot well and played well. He showed what he could do when the Kings committed. Unfortunately, they were/are a dysfunctional organization.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 07:06 PM

And the Bulls? And the Pelicans? And the Spurs? And the 30 NBA teams who won't sign Jimmer to a minimum contract.

Yeah, it's a conspiracy to keep Jimmer from realizing his true potential.

Let it go already.

Those are a lot of broad sweeping over-stated statements; but it's nothing new around here. Jimmer is showing what he can do. Maybe, you should go back and watch those d-league games. I followed Jimmer; I don't have doubts about his abilities. He looked rusty or was otherwise just finding his way in Spurs training camp; and they decided that keeping Jimmer might be redundant if they had McCallum, and they needed a wing with length in Butler (With KA and Simmons sucking). That's just how the business goes sometimes. I know you want to overstate things; but what happened was not an indictment against Jimmer. If he had had the fully guaranteed contract and RM had the partial guaranteed contract or none at all, then it would have likely went the other way. Someone will pick up Jimmer in January; that's almost a given. And btw, I don't think you can say the Pels were that dissatisfied with Jimmer given that they gave him some play earlier this season when they had plenty of other options.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 07:14 PM

At one point in his rookie season, Jimmer was given 4 starts in a row; he averaged 16.5 ppg on a 30.7 mpg. He shot well and played well. He showed what he could do when the Kings committed. Unfortunately, they were/are a dysfunctional organization.

That same organization selected another guard 50 spots later in the same draft as Jimmer. That guy's making over 7M a year as a starting guard for an NBA.

The blame game is played out. Let it go.

In other news, Austin Daye just put up 28 points and 16 rebounds in an Italian League game. There's a good living to be made as a pro basketball player. Much better pay in Italy than in Westchester.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 07:23 PM

That same organization selected another guard 50 spots later in the same draft as Jimmer. That guy's making over 7M a year as a starting guard for an NBA.

The blame game is played out. Let it go.

In other news, Austin Daye just put up 28 points and 16 rebounds in an Italian League game. There's a good living to be made as a pro basketball player. Much better pay in Italy than in Westchester.

Yes, and that same guard did not actually outplay Jimmer when the decision was made to give him the lion's share of the minutes. And that same guard is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the league and at one point was the worst defender in the league, imo.

I don't see a point in worrying about overseas when Jimmer's current trajectory is to be back in the NBA and then to go from there.... Maybe, you should let it go.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 07:52 PM

Yes, and that same guard did not actually outplay Jimmer when the decision was made to give him the lion's share of the minutes. And that same guard is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the league and at one point was the worst defender in the league, imo.

I don't see a point in worrying about overseas when Jimmer's current trajectory is to be back in the NBA and then to go from there.... Maybe, you should let it go.

:lol

So Jimmer is better than Thomas? Okay.

This only my 29th post. You can advise me to let it go when I get to 500, or even 100.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 08:08 PM

Btw, Thomas has scored 30+ eleven times and has scored at least 20 on 117 occasions.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 08:15 PM

He looked rusty or was otherwise just finding his way in Spurs training camp; and they decided that keeping Jimmer might be redundant if they had McCallum, and they needed a wing with length in Butler (With KA and Simmons sucking). That's just how the business goes sometimes. I know you want to overstate things; but what happened was not an indictment against Jimmer.Of course it's an indictment against Jimmer.

He played the worst out of all the players mentioned and was rightly waived.

That's jut how it goes sometimes.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 08:21 PM

Btw, Thomas has scored 30+ eleven times and has scored at least 20 on 117 occasions.

Who is "Thomas?"

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 08:23 PM

Who is "Thomas?"

The guy who was drafted #60 by the Kings in the same draft they picked Jimmer with #10.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 08:38 PM

The guy who was drafted #60 by the Kings in the same draft they picked Jimmer with #10.

I don't know who is better imo. JF shoots better from 3 and IT has shot 3x as many 3's as Jimmer. IT is a better slasher, and crushes JF in the Assist and Rebound columns.

- I would be hesitant to say who is better. Sacramento just tries to run a playground show to sell tickets. They suck as a legit basketball team. JF has been unconfident since he has come to the NBA. Is that a product of his teams, or just trying to do too much to live up to expectation? I do not know, nor do I really care. But, I would say that comparing someone who gets on average 28 MPG and is a starter, to someone getting 13mpg and knows he has to prove something, is not a valid comparison.

Basketball, like any other sport, or career, has a lot of variables which include the systems, players, and coaches around you. Think of it this way: If IT was coming off the bench at BYU trying to get a spot over JF, I'm sure he would have not won the spot from JF.

IT seems like he's in the right spot. JF seems lost. He didn't forget how to shoot, or play basketball. He's just got zero confidence. Who would I take now - IT. Who is better - unknown.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 08:43 PM

I don't know who is better imo. JF shoots better from 3 and IT has shot 3x as many 3's as Jimmer. IT is a better slasher, and crushes JF in the Assist and Rebound columns.

- I would be hesitant to say who is better. Sacramento just tries to run a playground show to sell tickets. They suck as a legit basketball team. JF has been unconfident since he has come to the NBA. Is that a product of his teams, or just trying to do too much to live up to expectation? I do not know, nor do I really care. But, I would say that comparing someone who gets on average 28 MPG and is a starter, to someone getting 13mpg and knows he has to prove something, is not a valid comparison.

Basketball, like any other sport, or career, has a lot of variables which include the systems, players, and coaches around you. Think of it this way: If IT was coming off the bench at BYU trying to get a spot over JF, I'm sure he would have not won the spot from JF.

IT seems like he's in the right spot. JF seems lost. He didn't forget how to shoot, or play basketball. He's just got zero confidence. Who would I take now - IT. Who is better - unknown.

Consider how much higher Jimmer was in the pecking order on day 1 of training camp in 2011. Now look at where they are five years into their pro careers. At a certain point, the excuses for Jimmer just strain credulity.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 08:46 PM

I would be hesitant to say who is better.I wouldn't.

Thomas is clearly a better NBA player.

Pretty simple.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 08:54 PM

Consider how much higher Jimmer was in the pecking order on day 1 of training camp in 2011. Now look at where they are five years into their pro careers. At a certain point, the excuses for Jimmer just strain credulity.

And he should have been. He had a much better college career than IT. It's all about reps and confidence. You don't just fall off, after being an established college player. You come in, you force the issue, trying to make all of the plays, and when you don't, your confidence gets shaken.

From IT's perspective he came in and gained confidence right out of the gate. He outperformed and bumped JT. He keeps growing and plays with confidence in a run and gun style where he controls the ball a lot, gets a lot of easy assists, and attacks the basket.

Their level of confidence is on two different trajectories, and is the main reason why they are where they are. This one had more to do with all the extras than the skills. The mind is more powerful than the skills. See KL and his jumper.

Again, who would I rather have now - IT. Who is more skilled - ??

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:01 PM

And he should have been. He had a much better college career than IT. It's all about reps and confidence. You don't just fall off, after being an established college player. You come in, you force the issue, trying to make all of the plays, and when you don't, your confidence gets shaken.

From IT's perspective he came in and gained confidence right out of the gate. He outperformed and bumped JT. He keeps growing and plays with confidence in a run and gun style where he controls the ball a lot, gets a lot of easy assists, and attacks the basket.

Their level of confidence is on two different trajectories, and is the main reason why they are where they are. This one had more to do with all the extras than the skills. The mind is more powerful than the skills. See KL and his jumper.

Again, who would I rather have now - IT. Who is more skilled - ??

IT is an established NBA player. Jimmer is not. Even if Jimmer is more skilled, which is doubtful, it hasn't been enough for him to reach his goals. If he has sufficient skills, then he clearly is lacking in other attributes that define an NBA player. And that's on Jimmer, not on the Kings, Bulls, Pelicans, or Spurs.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 09:08 PM

IT is an established NBA player. Jimmer is not. Even if Jimmer is more skilled, which is doubtful, it hasn't been enough for him to reach his goals. If he has sufficient skills, then he clearly is lacking in other attributes that define an NBA player. And that's on Jimmer, not on the Kings, Bulls, Pelicans, or Spurs.

True - an established player on a crappy team with crappy playoff performances, but better than JF.

Who was more skilled in college?

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:09 PM

True - an established player on a crappy team with crappy playoff performances, but better than JF.

Who was more skilled in college?

:lol

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:10 PM

Who is a better NBA player now?

tholdren

12-20-2015, 09:10 PM

:lol

Really, who do you think was "more skilled" in college?

tholdren

12-20-2015, 09:11 PM

Who is a better NBA player now?
I've already answered that question in each post. You must have reading comprehension issues, or you are looking to take things out of context.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:13 PM

I've already answered that question in each post. You must have reading comprehension issues, or you are looking to take things out of context.The context here is the NBA.

College was a long time ago. What is the relevance of that now?

I see none whatsoever.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 09:15 PM

The context here is the NBA.

College was a long time ago. What is the relevance of that now?

I see none whatsoever.

Good, the question was posed to Mel

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:15 PM

Good, the question was posed to MelWhat is the relevance to Mel?

tholdren

12-20-2015, 09:16 PM

What is the relevance to Mel?

ALT

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:17 PM

ALTAre you having a stroke?

tholdren

12-20-2015, 09:17 PM

Are you having a stroke?

Speaking of strokes, why are you so concerned with Mel?

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:21 PM

Speaking of strokes, why are you so concerned with Mel?Nice deflection attempt.

Why should anyone follow you down this particular rabbit hole? It makes zero difference about their respective values as NBA players right now.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:22 PM

Really, who do you think was "more skilled" in college?

Jimmer was College Player of the Year in 2011. I'm sure the trophy looks nice over his mom's fireplace.

He's in the Dleague now.

IT gets a check every two weeks based on a 7M annual salary. I'm sure it looks nice on his bank statements.

Whatever skill advantage Jimmer started with in the summer of 2011, it wasn't enough to overcome his other deficiencies. IT has overcome many disadvantages, most notably being only 5'9" tall, and is an established NBA player.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:35 PM

:lol

So Jimmer is better than Thomas? Okay.

This only my 29th post. You can advise me to let it go when I get to 500, or even 100.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said that Jimmer was more worthy of the minutes that Thomas was receiving. He had played better to that point, and he was the higher draft pick and should've been accorded the respect of any doubt. That did not happen because the Kings were a train wreck....

I don't care if you let it go or not, tbh.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:36 PM

Btw, Thomas has scored 30+ eleven times and has scored at least 20 on 117 occasions.

And Jimmer would have as well had he been given those types of minutes.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:38 PM

So Jimmer should have been given welfare minutes because of his reputation as a Mormon white college player.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:38 PM

Of course it's an indictment against Jimmer.

He played the worst out of all the players mentioned and was rightly waived.

That's jut how it goes sometimes.

Jimmer receive a pittance of minutes with scrubs. I don't think it's a matter of being outplayed as much as your troll self would like to make it so.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:39 PM

Don't put words in my mouth. I said that Jimmer was more worthy of the minutes that Thomas was receiving. He had played better to that point, and he was the higher draft pick and should've been accorded the respect of any doubt. That did not happen because the Kings were a train wreck....

I don't care if you let it go or not, tbh.

Poor Jimmer. So disrespected. By multiple NBA franchises.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:40 PM

And Jimmer would have as well had he been given those types of minutes.

:lol

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:40 PM

Jimmer receive a pittance of minutes with scrubs. I don't think it's a matter of being outplayed as much as your troll self would like to make it so.Yeah, he got outplayed.

It happens all the time -- even to skilled white Mormons with a reputation from colllege.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:41 PM

I would say that comparing someone who gets on average 28 MPG and is a starter, to someone getting 13mpg and knows he has to prove something, is not a valid comparison.

I don't fully agree; but I'll say this is a factor that the haters won't account for.

I would be hesitant to say who is better. Sacramento just tries to run a playground show to sell tickets. They suck as a legit basketball team.

Pretty much what I was saying when I've said countless times how Jimmer went to a dysfunctional organization.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:44 PM

True - an established player on a crappy team with crappy playoff performances, but better than JF.

Who was more skilled in college?

I see Mel_13 didn't want to touch that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkdhmj1e-_c

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:44 PM

Pretty much what I was saying when I've said countless times how Jimmer went to a dysfunctional organization.

The same organization, at the exact same time, that Thomas started in.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:45 PM

The context here is the NBA.

College was a long time ago. What is the relevance of that now?

I see none whatsoever.

Of course, you don't. But there is definite relevance to be had.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:45 PM

I see Mel_13 didn't want to touch that one.How is that relevant?

The other Mormon didn't want to touch that one.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:46 PM

The same organization, at the exact same time, that Thomas started in.

Okay, have you not thought this out at all? Or are you just unfamiliar with the history? Because that's a lame argument.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:46 PM

Of course, you don't. But there is definite relevance to be had.Which is?

Retroactive fantasy welfare minute distribution?

TXstbobcat

12-20-2015, 09:47 PM

Jimmer was brought in by other teams besides Sacramento and they all decided to move on without him. Can't blame the Kings for Jimmer's inability to stay in the NBA.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:48 PM

I see Mel_13 didn't want to touch that one.

I did. Sorry you didn't like the answer.

And if Jimmer was on the Sixers today and putting up the numbers that Thomas is putting up with the Celtics, you'd be be claiming vindication from the rooftops.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:50 PM

Okay, have you not thought this out at all? Or are you just unfamiliar with the history? Because that's a lame argument.

On the contrary. It's the attempts to spin Thomas' successes and Jimmer's failures that are lame.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:52 PM

I did. Sorry you didn't like the answer.

You have a low bar if you think laughing something off like a child is regarding an issue.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:54 PM

And if Jimmer was on the Sixers today and putting up the numbers that Thomas is putting up with the Celtics, you'd be be claiming vindication from the rooftops.

Jimmer would be averaging 20 plus on the Sixers if he was starting. When IT did that on the crappy Kings, most people couldn't talk him up enough.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:54 PM

You have a low bar if you think laughing something off like a child is regarding an issue.

He was clearly attempting a joke. I showed my appreciation.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:55 PM

Jimmer would be averaging 20 plus on the Sixers if he was starting. When IT did that on the crappy Kings, most people couldn't talk him up enough.

You lost me there.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:55 PM

On the contrary. It's the attempts to spin Thomas' successes and Jimmer's failures that are lame.

Rewinding. The likes of Thornton, Evans, (Cousins) wanted IT getting Jimmer's spot. They saw him as the bigger threat to their minutes (not Cousins, he's just a hater).

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:56 PM

You lost me there.

Then stay lost. Cos my statement was pretty straightforward.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 09:56 PM

Oh we've moved on to fantasy white Mormon player projected stats.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 09:57 PM

He was clearly attempting a joke. I showed my appreciation.

Sarcasm has been called the lowest form of communication. He was not joking.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:58 PM

Rewinding. The likes of Thornton, Evans, (Cousins) wanted IT getting Jimmer's spot. They saw him as the bigger threat to their minutes (not Cousins, he's just a hater).

You can choose to believe conspiracy theories. I don't.

Even if true, they don't account for Jimmer's failure with three other NBA franchises, nor do they account for Thomas' continued success after leaving Sacramento.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 09:59 PM

Then stay lost. Cos my statement was pretty straightforward.

Hardly.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 10:07 PM

You can choose to believe conspiracy theories. I don't.

Even if true, they don't account for Jimmer's failure with three other NBA franchises, nor do they account for Thomas' continued success after leaving Sacramento.

Oh, I know you'd love to use terms like conspiracy theories to marginalize me. I'm telling you straight up what happened.

I think you want to overstate the reality of what happened in the aftermath of all that as well.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 10:09 PM

Hardly.

Stay "lost" bro. Truth is ya know I trumped your lame argument is all.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 10:11 PM

Oh, I know you'd love to use terms like conspiracy theories to marginalize me. I'm telling you straight up what happened.

I think you want to overstate the reality of what happened in the aftermath of all that as well.

Overstated?

Jimmer has failed to stick with four separate NBA franchises and starts for the Westchester Knicks.

Thomas is the starting PG of the Boston Celtics and earns 7M per year.

Please, where is the overstatement?

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 10:12 PM

Stay "lost" bro. Truth is ya know I trumped your lame argument is all.

Claim victory if it comforts you.

ChumpDumper

12-20-2015, 10:13 PM

Oh, I know you'd love to use terms like conspiracy theories to marginalize me. I'm telling you straight up what happened.

I think you want to overstate the reality of what happened in the aftermath of all that as well.Wow.

You really are serious about this.

Dude got waived by several teams. Maybe he'll get picked up by another one next month. He should probably be less of a chucker if he wants to stay in the NBA.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 10:21 PM

Jimmer was College Player of the Year in 2011. I'm sure the trophy looks nice over his mom's fireplace.

He's in the Dleague now.

IT gets a check every two weeks based on a 7M annual salary. I'm sure it looks nice on his bank statements.

Whatever skill advantage Jimmer started with in the summer of 2011, it wasn't enough to overcome his other deficiencies. IT has overcome many disadvantages, most notably being only 5'9" tall, and is an established NBA player.

I'm not understanding your response. You state that JF was the better college player, which would then lend him to be the higher draft choice, yet you state that he had "other deficiencies." What are these, and why weren't they shown in college, when he won POY?

On a side note, the only thing that "height" has in a "disadvantage" are concepts thought of by fans who have never played and/or the-way-things-always-been syndrome. It would be hard for anyone to debate the fact that the smaller the player, if he is good, the more skill he has in comparison to taller players.

For instance, it shouldn't even be debatable that Prime TP is better than Prime LMA/Howard etc. In this particular case, an attacking PG is going to get you more, than a chucking PG. However, Steph Curry has actually taken the JF platform to new heights. And rightfully so, from an entertainment perspective.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 10:25 PM

I'm not understanding your response. You state that JF was the better college player, which would then lend him to be the higher draft choice, yet you state that he had "other deficiencies." What are these, and why weren't they shown in college, when he won POY?

On a side note, the only thing that "height" has in a "disadvantage" are concepts thought of by fans who have never played and/or the-way-things-always-been syndrome. It would be hard for anyone to debate the fact that the smaller the player, if he is good, the more skill he has in comparison to taller players.

For instance, it shouldn't even be debatable that Prime TP is better than Prime LMA/Howard etc. In this particular case, an attacking PG is going to get you more, than a chucking PG. However, Steph Curry has actually taken the JF platform to new heights. And rightfully so, from an entertainment perspective.

The deficiencies that have seen him unable to stick with four NBA franchises. Deficiencies that he was able to overcome against lesser competition.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 10:27 PM

The deficiencies that have seen him unable to stick with four NBA franchises. Deficiencies that he was able to overcome against lesser competition.
I'm glad you're attempting to communicate your point, however, I would like to know what "other deficiencies" are and why they weren't shown in college.

Im well aware that he didnt stick, just answer the question.

Spurtacular

12-20-2015, 10:28 PM

Wow.

You really are serious about this.

Dude got waived by several teams. Maybe he'll get picked up by another one next month. He should probably be less of a chucker if he wants to stay in the NBA.

A chucker? You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 10:31 PM

I'm glad you're attempting to communicate your point, however, I would like to know what "other deficiencies" are and why they weren't shown in college.

Im well aware that he didnt stick, just answer the question.

The people who get to judge have found Jimmer deficient in the package of attributes necessary to stick in the NBA. Repeatedly.

tholdren

12-20-2015, 10:32 PM

The people who get to judge have found Jimmer deficient in the package of attributes necessary to stick in the NBA. Repeatedly.
and those attributes are....?

HarlemHeat37

12-20-2015, 10:35 PM

And he should have been. He had a much better college career than IT. It's all about reps and confidence. You don't just fall off, after being an established college player. You come in, you force the issue, trying to make all of the plays, and when you don't, your confidence gets shaken.

From IT's perspective he came in and gained confidence right out of the gate. He outperformed and bumped JT. He keeps growing and plays with confidence in a run and gun style where he controls the ball a lot, gets a lot of easy assists, and attacks the basket.

Their level of confidence is on two different trajectories, and is the main reason why they are where they are. This one had more to do with all the extras than the skills. The mind is more powerful than the skills. See KL and his jumper.

Again, who would I rather have now - IT. Who is more skilled - ??

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Confused-Gary-Payton.gif

Shastafarian

12-20-2015, 10:35 PM

and those attributes are....?

Being good at basketball. Holy shit this is unbelievable. Two NBA GMs here arguing that Jimmer is a star in the making. He's not. Get over it.

Mel_13

12-20-2015, 10:36 PM

and those attributes are....?

Why are you so concerned with my speculation as to why Jimmer has failed? He has failed in the eyes of the people who matter. Repeatedly.

Chinook

12-21-2015, 12:27 AM

I love the new "Jimmer would be great if only he were better line of reasoning." Dude's a bigger scrub than Austin Daye. Think about that for a minute.

BillMc

12-21-2015, 12:33 AM

Since Jimmer isn't a Spur and won't be, can we move this non-ending thread to the NBA forum where it belongs? Mods?

ChumpDumper

12-21-2015, 01:16 AM

I'm not understanding your response. You state that JF was the better college player, which would then lend him to be the higher draft choice, yet you state that he had "other deficiencies." What are these, and why weren't they shown in college, when he won POY?

On a side note, the only thing that "height" has in a "disadvantage" are concepts thought of by fans who have never played and/or the-way-things-always-been syndrome. It would be hard for anyone to debate the fact that the smaller the player, if he is good, the more skill he has in comparison to taller players.

For instance, it shouldn't even be debatable that Prime TP is better than Prime LMA/Howard etc. In this particular case, an attacking PG is going to get you more, than a chucking PG. However, Steph Curry has actually taken the JF platform to new heights. And rightfully so, from an entertainment perspective.Curry has just been riding on Jimmer's coattails the entire time.

lol the JF platform

A chucker? You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.Of course I do. Jimmer's chucking works up to a certain level of basketball. That level is the D-League.

And watch your language -- other Mormons are reading this. What would they think of you?

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 01:21 AM

Since Jimmer isn't a Spur and won't be, can we move this non-ending thread to the NBA forum where it belongs? Mods?

Plenty of Spurs talk going on here; more here than a lot of Spurs forum threads, tbh. Much more Spurs basketball talk than the Porker vs. Role Player Kawhi threads. Don't know why you're stressing one thread, tbh.

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 01:30 AM

Curry has just been riding on Jimmer's coattails the entire time.

lol the JF platform

You were responding to tholdren; but think you lost something in translation, dude.

Of course I do. Jimmer's chucking works up to a certain level of basketball. That level is the D-League.

Yea, I didn't think you knew what you were talking about either. You clearly are unfamiliar with the evolution of Jimmer's game.

lilbthebasedgod

12-21-2015, 03:04 AM

Can we make this to 200? I know we can try!

Lostwingman

12-21-2015, 03:49 AM

This is so fucking sad.

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 03:56 AM

This is so fucking sad.

Whose alt are you, anyways?

Lostwingman

12-21-2015, 04:05 AM

Whose alt are you, anyways?

The paranoia is real. :lmao

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 04:24 AM

The paranoia is real. :lmao

Okay, so whose alt are you?

tholdren

12-21-2015, 09:24 AM

Why are you so concerned with my speculation as to why Jimmer has failed? He has failed in the eyes of the people who matter. Repeatedly.

Because of your generalized responses then your deflection. And I would assume a basketball genius, like yourself, would be able to point out to me exactly what deficiencies Jimmer gained from hoisting a POY trophy, that were not evident when he won the trophy, or if they were, how these deficiencies expounded, to make him not playable.

I would contend that Jimmer was a better college player than Evan Turner. I felt like Evan's deficiencies were out there for everyone to see, he came to the league we saw some major issues when he started. He's not great by any means, but he is in the league, and still gets PT.

Mel_13

12-21-2015, 09:34 AM

Because of your generalized responses then your deflection. And I would assume a basketball genius, like yourself, would be able to point out to me exactly what deficiencies Jimmer gained from hoisting a POY trophy, that were not evident when he won the trophy, or if they were, how these deficiencies expounded, to make him not playable.

I would contend that Jimmer was a better college player than Evan Turner. I felt like Evan's deficiencies were out there for everyone to see, he came to the league we saw some major issues when he started. He's not great by any means, but he is in the league, and still gets PT.

You have my answer.

Lostwingman

12-21-2015, 10:03 AM

Okay, so whose alt are you?

What, can't believe there's more than one person who's entertained by this dumpster fire of a thread? I suppose the same person who thinks that would think Jimmer isn't in the NBA because he was sabotaged. :lmao

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 04:58 PM

You have my answer.

Way to walk away from a fight, again and again. :lmao

Mel_13

12-21-2015, 05:06 PM

Way to walk away from a fight, again and again. :lmao

:lol@bumping your thread before it falls off the first page

:lol@fights

:lol@you still haven't answered the questions I posed to you last night which makes your most recent post rather hypocritical

mostly tho:

:lol@bumping the thread before it falls off the first page

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 05:07 PM

Take it easy, spazz.

BTW, I don't think I've "ignored" questions. Certainly not in the blatant manner you've done.

Mel_13

12-21-2015, 05:08 PM

Another brilliant retort.

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 05:11 PM

What, can't believe there's more than one person who's entertained by this dumpster fire of a thread? I suppose the same person who thinks that would think Jimmer isn't in the NBA because he was sabotaged. :lmao

Are you speaking in broken English to make me think you're apasolic_9 or are you just naturally not that gifted?

littlecoyotecoin

12-21-2015, 05:17 PM

Way to walk away from a fight, again and again. :lmao

Do you walk into a lot of lamp posts?

Because you've got perspective issues.

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 05:25 PM

Do you walk into a lot of lamp posts?

Because you've got perspective issues.

Why you going full-retard on me, bro? Just can't help yourself?

Lostwingman

12-21-2015, 05:43 PM

See? How can anyone not find the macabre humor in this defiance to reality?

Are you speaking in broken English to make me think you're apasolic_9 or are you just naturally not that gifted?

So exactly how emotionally attached are you to Jimmer's career? You sound like the kind of person that has a Jimmer poster on the ceiling above their bed that they stare into before going to sleep

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 05:55 PM

See? How can anyone not find the macabre humor in this defiance to reality?

So exactly how emotionally attached are you to Jimmer's career? You sound like the kind of person that has a Jimmer poster on the ceiling above their bed that they stare into before going to sleep

Points for using the word macabre even if you used it wrong. I have no Jimmer posters; but I wouldn't be ashamed to say so if I did.

littlecoyotecoin

12-21-2015, 06:15 PM

Why you going full-retard on me, bro? Just can't help yourself?

Lolwhut? I am not the one going ad-hominem on Mel13. One of the all-time classier posters on the board. Sure, he's been yankin' yer chain a little, but it's all been pretty fair and rational. When you're turning guys like him into a board adversary, you almost definitely have taken a wrong turn somewhere. A step back for some perspective would be a good thing.

TXstbobcat

12-21-2015, 06:20 PM

Did Jimmer get his max NBA contract yet??????

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 06:32 PM

Lolwhut? I am not the one going ad-hominem on Mel13. One of the all-time classier posters on the board. Sure, he's been yankin' yer chain a little, but it's all been pretty fair and rational. When you're turning guys like him into a board adversary, you almost definitely have taken a wrong turn somewhere. A step back for some perspective would be a good thing.

First off, throwing out ad hominem on ST is a bit lame to begin with. But you don't even know what it is to be throwing it out there like you're doing, anyhow. Second off, I was pressing him about not answering your repeated inquiries; it has nothing to do with some sort of retribution. It's that fucking simple, knucklehead.

littlecoyotecoin

12-21-2015, 06:36 PM

First off, throwing out ad hominem on ST is a bit lame to begin with. But you don't even know what it is to be throwing it out there like you're doing, anyhow. Second off, I was pressing him about not answering your repeated inquiries; it has nothing to do with some sort of retribution. It's that fucking simple, knucklehead.

Circular what?

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 06:37 PM

littlecoyotecoin

12-21-2015, 06:40 PM

Geez, I mean how fucking stupid can you be? You press him on the same question five times and then when I chime in about him being a wuss, you can't just roll with it? Can you just not help yourself? Do you have to fucking go troll retard or can you not just read the room?

I pressed Mel-13 on a question five times? What was I pressing him on? News to me. I was unaware of any unfinished business I had with Mel regarding Jimmer. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 06:40 PM

Circular what?

Your gaping pussy?

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 06:42 PM

I pressed Mel-13 on a question five times? What was I pressing him on? News to me. I was unaware of any unfinished business I had with Mel regarding Jimmer. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Check the transcript. The number is just thrown out. It was repeated was the point. I guess figurative speech is lost on you though.

littlecoyotecoin

12-21-2015, 06:52 PM

Check the transcript. The number is just thrown out. It was repeated was the point. I guess figurative speech is lost on you though.

Pretty sure I wasn't pressing Mel for an answer on anything, even once, but glad you retracted the five times, 'cuz zero is considerably less than five. Maybe you misunderstood some sarcasm if I asked a question, but I was awaiting no reply.

And "myriad" is a figure of speech, or "I've told you a thousand times!"

"five" is a specific exagerration. Say "like five times", even if it was once or twice, or none. At least the "like" gives you some wiggle room.

benefactor

12-21-2015, 06:57 PM

2:hungry::hungry:

Let's do this...bet we can get it done by the RRT.

Spurtacular

12-21-2015, 07:10 PM

Pretty sure I wasn't pressing Mel for an answer on anything, even once, but glad you retracted the five times, 'cuz zero is considerably less than five. Maybe you misunderstood some sarcasm if I asked a question, but I was awaiting no reply.

And "myriad" is a figure of speech, or "I've told you a thousand times!"

"five" is a specific exagerration. Say "like five times", even if it was once or twice, or none. At least the "like" gives you some wiggle room.

I'm not going to spoonfeed you any more than I have. Whether you are being willfully belligerent or you're that idiotic is not of much consequence to me at this point. So ironic that you were trying to slam me on 'perceptiveness' though. :lmao