Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[Chinook]

Was that from like particularly far away or something? Jimmer was 50 percent on threes in a open gym. That's hardly impressive, though the sample size is WAY too small to judge him either way.

[Spurtacular]

Was that from like particularly far away or something? Jimmer was 50 percent on threes in a open gym. That's hardly impressive, though the sample size is WAY too small to judge him either way.

Makes you wonder if JM was trying to put the least impressive clip he could come up with....

Jimmer groaning on the last miss. He isn't happy about going 2 for 4 either....

[cd98]

Not much chatter about the fight for that last roster spot. I'd think given Jimmer's popularity (not quite Tebowish, but certainly a known quantity) that there would be more leaks about how he is doing in the competition for the last roster spot.

[TheGreatYacht]

70 pages for a scrub. Smdh

[Spurtacular]

Not much chatter about the fight for that last roster spot. I'd think given Jimmer's popularity (not quite Tebowish, but certainly a known quantity) that there would be more leaks about how he is doing in the competition for the last roster spot.

Not discounting the possibility; but I'm not all that worried about Jimmer not making the team.

[ChumpDumper]

Makes you wonder if JM was trying to put the least impressive clip he could come up with....Conspiracy!

He's a rabid anti-Mormite!

[Hoops Czar]

Makes you wonder if JM was trying to put the least impressive clip he could come up with....

Jimmer groaning on the last miss. He isn't happy about going 2 for 4 either....

This wasn't meant to be a YouTube highlight reel where he makes all his shots and passes and looks like a competent NBA player. I'm pretty sure he's not recording that clip and I'm even more sure that he missed more shots than the one's shown in that video.

[rjv]

Apparently Pop forgot to consult Spurstalk so they could explain to him that Jimmer has bad form and can't space the floor or get his shot off in the NBA.

Indeed. The spurs biggest mistake has been ignoring the vast wealth of supreme basketball knowledge available on this forum.

[Spurtacular]

Conspiracy!

He's a rabid anti-Mormite!

Sounds like you, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like you, tbh.You just made a conspiracy theory involving Jeff McDonald.

Do you realize how stupid that is?

[Spurtacular]

This wasn't meant to be a YouTube highlight reel where he makes all his shots and passes and looks like a competent NBA player. I'm pretty sure he's not recording that clip and I'm even more sure that he missed more shots than the one's shown in that video.

If he just posted an innocuous caption, then okay, I'd agree. But this has a tinge of condescension, tbh:

"Click away, Jimmer fans."

[Spurtacular]

You just made a conspiracy theory involving Jeff McDonald.

Do you realize how stupid that is?

I proposed the possibility of a conspiracy for lack of a better word.

[ChumpDumper]

If he just posted an innocuous caption, then okay, I'd agree. But this has an heir of condescension, tbh:

"Click away, Jimmer fans."You clicked, didn't you?

It is an innocuous caption. Get over yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

I proposed the possibility of a conspiracy for lack of a better word.There is no better word because it is precisely a conspiracy theory.

[Spurtacular]

There is no better word because it is precisely a conspiracy theory.

If you say so, drama queen.

[ChumpDumper]

If you say so, drama queen.You're the one pushing conspiracy theories developed from your persecution complex. That's pure drama queening.

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73tGe3JE5IU

[Nathan89]

That's not much of a conspiracy theory imho. There was probably no significant motive and it could just be a coincidence but 50% is a less common outcome which makes it possible that it may have been specifically selected. Possibly for no other reason than they didn't want a clip with nothing but makes which would not have lead to any comments in here because that is expected in insignificant clips. Anyways it's an insignificant clip that contains nothing that should possibly shift an opinion on Jimmer.

[Gladney to see you]

Did someone on this forum make this:flag: It is new.:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnNmQ85AEos

[Spurtacular]

Did someone on this forum make this:flag: It is new.:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnNmQ85AEos
Chinook

:lmao

[playbonner15]

Pushing for 70 pages for this scrub coz this is ST

[AFBlue]

Pushing for 70 pages for this scrub coz this is ST

What else were we gonna talk about in the dog days of summer? The Aldridge thread reached 250 in the span of a couple days. The Jimmer story is just more intriguing than whether Deshaun Thomas gets an invite to camp or Boban plays in the Eurobasket.

[Ditty]

Been hearing Butler has been looking good so far. Haven't heard much about Jimmer.

[Chinook]

Chinook

:lmao

I guess we know who made this video.

[Spurtacular]

I guess we know who made this video.

It wasn't me. But the timing is too coincidental. I'd bet on it being someone who reads ST (whether they post or not).

[Spurtacular]

Been hearing Butler has been looking good so far. Haven't heard much about Jimmer.

Yea? Is that what your right hand told you?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Folks want to have the last word thus the back-and-forth isn't going to stop until Jimmer is eventually cut.

Oh Lord, you haven't been around Spurstalk if you think this thread stops when Jimmer gets cut.

[benefactor]

Oh Lord, you haven't been around Spurstalk if you think this thread stops when Jimmer gets cut.
That's when really gets good. :tu

[Floyd Pacquiao]

2,073 replies :lol

[DPG21920]

Was that from like particularly far away or something? Jimmer was 50 percent on threes in a open gym. That's hardly impressive, though the sample size is WAY too small to judge him either way.

He has a ridiculous hitch in his shot

[DPG21920]

Why do people care how many pages a thread goes when it's actual basketball discussion? IMO that's what is great about being around fans; we care about every detail.

[Spurtacular]

Why do people care how many pages a thread goes when it's actual basketball discussion? IMO that's what is great about being around fans; we care about every detail.

[Aztecfan03]

isnt this clown just insurance if patty mills bolts after the season in FA?
i thought he wasn't even gonna make the team this year. So how could he be insurance for after that?

[Birn]

I think the final roster spot is Butler's to lose. Jimmer will need to have a great camp or one of our guards have a prolonged injury to enhance his chances of making the team. He has a legitimate shot because of his shooting ability.

[tholdren]

I think the final roster spot is Butler's to lose. Jimmer will need to have a great camp or one of our guards have a prolonged injury to enhance his chances of making the team. He has a legitimate shot because of his shooting ability.

I don't think the last spot is for Jimmer I think the last spot is for butler.

Tim Boris Boban
LMA West
KL Anderson Butler Simmons
Manu Green Patty
Tony Ray Jimmer

Down to Butler and Bonner. I would make Bonner a Coach, sign Butler, and if injuries take place, then suit up Bonner.

Bye Williams Thomas Sykes Ndoye Bonner

Bonner has less upside then Jimmer, Simmons, or Butler (even at this point in his career)

[Brian Windhorst]

Jonathon's passing for sure looks shaky once you adjust the windows for big-league competition.

:lol Pop carpet bombing this take today.
:lol 70 pages of this shit

[Chinook]

:lol Pop carpet bombing this take today.
:lol 70 pages of this shit


Do you wait for Pop to tell you how you feel about everything?

[tholdren]

:lol Pop carpet bombing this take today.
:lol 70 pages of this shit

right, pop would say, "he sucks" or "yeah we paid him money, but he's getting cut."

[exstatic]

isnt this clown just insurance if patty mills bolts after the season in FA?

Patty isn't a FA in 2016, but with your general overall lack of knowledge, we can let this one slide.

[SAGirl]

Patty isn't a FA in 2016, but with your general overall lack of knowledge, we can let this one slide.
:lmao

[Spurtacular]

I don't think the last spot is for Jimmer I think the last spot is for butler.

Tim Boris Boban
LMA West
KL Anderson Butler Simmons
Manu Green Patty
Tony Ray Jimmer

Down to Butler and Bonner. I would make Bonner a Coach, sign Butler, and if injuries take place, then suit up Bonner.

Bye Williams Thomas Sykes Ndoye Bonner

Bonner has less upside then Jimmer, Simmons, or Butler (even at this point in his career)

An interesting thought: Bonner vs. Butler. I don't know if Pop would pull the trigger on getting rid of Bonner for someone of only Butler's caliber.

[Kawhitstorm]

Bonner has less upside then Jimmer, Simmons, or Butler (even at this point in his career)

LoL @ mentioning upside & 35+ year olds in the same sentence.

[tholdren]

An interesting thought: Bonner vs. Butler. I don't know if Pop would pull the trigger on getting rid of Bonner for someone of only Butler's caliber.


kl rest...

[Nathan89]

Simmons is a skilled passer as Pop said and to people who watched SL they probably noticed he was able to make a lot of nice passes. His problems are turnovers based on some of the stats that were mentioned earlier on.

Butler over Bonner would be nice.

[Spurtacular]

kl rest...

They got Anderson and Simmons for that.

[Brian Windhorst]

Do you wait for Pop to tell you how you feel about everything?

[ ] Oh Pop must've seen something I didn't, he would know
[x] I'm right haha idiot! Listening to the coach, what a dumbass!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY

[jeebus]

:tu good job faggots, almost 2100 posts.

[Brian Windhorst]

right, pop would say, "he sucks" or "yeah we paid him money, but he's getting cut."
Right Pop would compliment a guy for two minutes off the cuff just to pay lip service to a D Leaguer

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Patty isn't a FA in 2016, but with your general overall lack of knowledge, we can let this one slide.

:lol

[Chinook]

[ ] Oh Pop must've seen something I didn't, he would know
[x] I'm right haha idiot! Listening to the coach, what a dumbass!

I saw plenty to make my own evaulation. I don't have to assume that my evaluation (and Simmons' d-league stats) is wrong simply because Pop has a different opinion. He can and has been wrong before, and there's plenty of time to see how Jonathon develops.

There are a couple of things to consider anyway when looking at my opinion in comparison with Pop's. Simmons has good court vision (knowing where multiple passing options are at any time), which is what Pop was talking about. But he also has a big TO problem, which is what I was talking about. Both of those things are part of being a good passer, but Simmons won't earn a rotation spot if he racks up the same TO numbers he did in the d-league, regardless of how many options he sees on the floor.

Simmons is not a one-read passer like Joseph, Green or Jimmer. So he has a lot of potential in that regard. But he isn't going to make the active roster based on his passing. He's not going to be the backup PG unless he really improves, but he could be a secondary ball-handler.

[Spurtacular]

Simmons is not a one-read passer like Joseph, Green or Jimmer.

http://harleyridersusa.com/images/smilies/selflove1.gif

[ElNono]

Due to his athleticism and dynamism, I think Simms' game should translate well to "big-league competition".

The main question for him is: can he do it consistently, night in and out?

[Ignignokt]

You're the one pushing conspiracy theories developed from your persecution complex. That's pure drama queening.

cuckposting, ad hominem and general hyperbole

[SAGirl]

I saw plenty to make my own evaulation. I don't have to assume that my evaluation (and Simmons' d-league stats) is wrong simply because Pop has a different opinion. He can and has been wrong before, and there's plenty of time to see how Jonathon develops.

There are a couple of things to consider anyway when looking at my opinion in comparison with Pop's. Simmons has good court vision (knowing where multiple passing options are at any time), which is what Pop was talking about. But he also has a big TO problem, which is what I was talking about. Both of those things are part of being a good passer, but Simmons won't earn a rotation spot if he racks up the same TO numbers he did in the d-league, regardless of how many options he sees on the floor.

Simmons is not a one-read passer like Joseph, Green or Jimmer. So he has a lot of potential in that regard. But he isn't going to make the active roster based on his passing. He's not going to be the backup PG unless he really improves, but he could be a secondary ball-handler.
Agree with you fully here, and its what I have said about him since the beginning too. He's promising in that he has the vision to see multiple passing options and make the right choice most of the time. Like Pop says, that kind of thing can't be coached, Pop doesn't even know if it can be coached, like you mention premier examples being Joseph and Green, both guys that were in the system for a long time, and young enough to develop, but they are simple passers who can only see the first option and the simple option.

The issue with Simmons at least to me is his ballhandling is weak/raw. It was bad in the d'league (turnovers galore whenever he was trapped, and plenty of strips, cringe worthy), but he was better in the SL. In the d'league they had him as PG when Cotton was picked up by the Jazz and he was awful, in SL he was a secondary ball handler with a PG on the floor at all times. You wonder whether at 26, he can improve his ballhandling skills enough to develop into a very dynamic wing who can create. We shall all see. At least we know he can pass, and slash hard, and finish if he gets to the bucket or draw a foul. I hope he does develop because hes' an exciting athletic player that I think for the future, next to Anderson and Mills can form a dynamic trio post-Ginobili.

As for the interview, of course Pop only mentioned the positive. He wasn't going to say, yea he can pass, but .... (and then cite all the weak areas of his game that need improving). However, Pop did seem impressed by some things from him, and that is good for his prospects.

[ChumpDumper]

cuckposting, ad hominem and general hyperboleBeats your stalking, obsession and general femininity.

[Chinook]

http://harleyridersusa.com/images/smilies/selflove1.gif

Jimmer's a bigger one-read passer than either Green or Joseph. There's nothing wrong with a two-guard making the easy pass 99 percent of the time. In fact, I think Jimmer is better with the ball than Simmons. But Jonathon has more upside due to his athleticism and court vision.

[SpursFan86]

Due to his athleticism and dynamism, I think Simms' game should translate well to "big-league competition".

The main question for him is: can he do it consistently, night in and out?

I'd be pretty shocked if he plays much over 10 mpg this year...don't think it's realistic to expect him to consistently contribute night in and night out. Unless you're talking about the long-term rather than this season.

[Nathan89]

Didn't realize Green could make non-easy passes. Probably missed his great ball-handling as well.

[ElNono]

I'd be pretty shocked if he plays much over 10 mpg this year...don't think it's realistic to expect him to consistently contribute night in and night out. Unless you're talking about the long-term rather than this season.

Yeah, I'm talking long term. He has the gift of over the top athleticism, that along with great size and quick speed, are a premium in this league. Genetic lottery winners normally end up sticking in the league.

[Spurtacular]

Comic Relief.....

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/jimmer-jazz.jpg

[Gladney to see you]

Does Jimmer make the trip to Sacramento.

[cd98]

Does Jimmer make the trip to Sacramento.

Great question. The starters will go. I'd bet the top bench guys don't. Spurs don't need to see Mills, Manu, and Diaw. I think you will see the young guys fighting for roster spots, including Jimmer (coming home to team that drafted him).

[cd98]

Correction: No big 3:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/10/07/no-big-3-or-diaw-for-spurs-preseason-opener/

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Saw this thread on the bottom half of the first page, had to bump it.

[Spursmania]

Why^^^^^^

[.G.]

These nggaz are stronging in the wrong like the ngga dawgz that they iz. Up on the down stroll.

[TheGreatYacht]

Why^^^^^^

[spurraider21]

If he can do what Gary Neal did, I'd be thrilled with him aboard.

And no I'm not talking about rape.

[monkeypunk]

If he can do what Gary Neal did, I'd be thrilled with him aboard.

We all would but most likely outcome is he can't find his shot, misses rotations a few times and Pop cuts him within the week.

[Nathan89]

:ace in the hole imho.

[Nathan89]

Well Jimmer played terribly tonight.

[jeebus]

rofl

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol as I said like 40 pages ago, if he was Black, nobody would even mention his name, tbh..

[benfti]

Was Rubbish

[HarlemHeat37]

He makes Ayres look like Larry Bird, tbh..

[RD2191]

:lol

[spursgu]

He's on the same level as Patty Mills though.

[Chinook]

Scrubber Fredette, yours for the special low price of $500k plus shipping and handling.

[spurraider21]

:lol as I said like 40 pages ago, if he was Black, nobody would even mention his name, tbh..
meh, its the college fanfare. tebow/vince young effect

[BillMc]

Scrubber Fredette, yours for the special low price of $500k plus shipping and handling.
:lol

[Darius Bieber]

meh, its the college fanfare. tebow/vince young effect

Also an increase in jersey sales to the Mormons tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

meh, its the college fanfare. tebow/vince young effect

The college fanfare is aided by being White, especially religious and White..

[spurraider21]

The college fanfare is aided by being White, especially religious and White..
the fanfare comes from being one of the more ridiculous college shooters in recent memory... helps that he wasn't from a powerhouse schoo. same reason steph curry's hype blew up in college

[Nathan89]

The college fanfare is aided by being White, especially religious and White..

You think people like Jimmer because he's mormon?

[Sean Cagney]

He makes Ayres look like Larry Bird, tbh..

If that is true cut his ass now tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

You think people like Jimmer because he's mormon?

He hits a specific demographic and has a cult following, which is a huge advantage over other players with similar/superior ability..Jimmer will always receive more attention than a superior fringe player like Reggie Williams, for example..

[Nathan89]

He hits a specific demographic and has a cult following, which is a huge advantage over other players with similar/superior ability..Jimmer will always receive more attention than a superior fringe player like Reggie Williams, for example..

Reggie Williams never made a big impact anywhere so that's a significant difference. All hope for Jimmer will be gone after this if he can't make the team.

[RD2191]

I kind of feel bad for Jimmer but the dude just flat out sucks.

[raybies]

72 lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude needs confidence. He won't make the team playing timid, Spurs got you for your shooting. Shoot.

[Spurtacular]

Dude needs confidence. He won't make the team playing timid, Spurs got you for your shooting. Shoot.

Agreed. He looked way too nervous out there. I think he's still shaking off the NOL mentality. He'll be fine if the Spurs stick with him.

[Nathan89]

Dude needs confidence. He won't make the team playing timid, Spurs got you for your shooting. Shoot.

He played timid like simmons did. That shouldn't happen after all the NBA playing time he has seen but maybe when you recognize this as your last shot it fuck with your playing ability.

[spurraider21]

He hits a specific demographic and has a cult following, which is a huge advantage over other players with similar/superior ability..Jimmer will always receive more attention than a superior fringe player like Reggie Williams, for example..
mormons make up of less than 2% of the population... it goes beyond that :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Agreed. He looked way too nervous out there. I think he's still shaking off the NOL mentality. He'll be fine if the Spurs stick with him.

He played timid like simmons did. That shouldn't happen after all the NBA playing time he has seen but maybe when you recognize this as your last shot it fuck with your playing ability.
I think it's the Spurs' rep of ball sharing and unselfishness that gets most of the guys who try out in training camp or 10-day contracts. He needs to play like Patty, Daye (without the bricks), Beli, Neal, etc.

[SnakeBoy]

First time I've ever seen Jimmer play...I can only pray I don't see him play again.

[apalisoc_9]

First time I've ever seen Jimmer play...I can only pray I don't see him play again.

:lmao

[dabom]

Damage control. :lmao

[ceperez]

Agreed. He looked way too nervous out there. I think he's still shaking off the NOL mentality. He'll be fine if the Spurs stick with him.

He better get his mentality fixed or he isn't going to be on the team. Spurs fed him a couple of open shots and he couldn't deliver. I don't care if he can't defend or makes some risky bone head plays (that bad pass to Mills). I expect him though to make his shots when he is open. Did not happen.

He had the worse +/- of the scrubs, -12

Even Reggie Williams played a better game!!!

I think this extended thread is messing with his mind. There's no reason why he should feel any pressure.

[Gladney to see you]

I for one, make the team or not, hope he turns things around and plays well. Hate to see his career end on this downer. It was sad to see the guy with no confidence.

[Nathan89]

Like to see Jimmer with the ball more in the next preseason game. He fed Lma, boban, and got an open floater when he had the ball. If Ray can hit shots he'll be fine but if can't he's going to look like the first half of last night.

[hater]

He would do ok in Europe. Even better in Mexican league or Ecuadorian league tbh.

He has no biz here

[ceperez]

Like to see Jimmer with the ball more in the next preseason game. He fed Lma, boban, and got an open floater when he had the ball. If Ray can hit shots he'll be fine but if can't he's going to look like the first half of last night.

Jimmer problem is that he needs to be hot when he comes in cold from the bench. Given his poor defense, he at best is a specialist. Just like Steve Kerr, who did just one thing and did it well.

If he's out there on the court not hitting the open 3's, then he doesn't belong. He's got a couple more pre-season games to prove his worth. Anderson, Simmons, Marjanovic, McCallum, Butler all proved yesterday that they belong, Jimmer unfortunately has not.

[BillMc]

This thread may have more pages than Jimmer will have points this year.

[HarlemHeat37]

You can put Jimmer in better situations, but it's still very evident that he's unathletic, shoots slowly, and has to force awkward shots due to his limitations and inability to create space or shoot with a quick release..you can preach Spurs system all you want, but the players in the system still need to have enough talent to fill a niche..

Neal had athletic and height limitations, but the quick release changes everything..allows him to shoot off the dribble with limited space, play off screens against taller defenders, etc..

[tmtcsc]

Jimmer problem is that he needs to be hot when he comes in cold from the bench. Given his poor defense, he at best is a specialist. Just like Steve Kerr, who did just one thing and did it well.

If he's out there on the court not hitting the open 3's, then he doesn't belong. He's got a couple more pre-season games to prove his worth. Anderson, Simmons, Marjanovic, McCallum, Butler all proved yesterday that they belong, Jimmer unfortunately has not.

Jimmer needs to forget about shooting 3 pointers. He needs to develop a mid range shot like Gary Neal and Belineli did. Neal was a scorer, not just a 3 point specialist. Let the 3 pointers come when he gets a rhythm going.

[tmtcsc]

He would do ok in Europe. Even better in Mexican league or Ecuadorian league tbh.

He has no biz here

Let's be honest, he would be better in the neighborhood 40 and up league.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't get it. The Spurs have three for each guard spot and Butler would make three for SF (when was the last time we had three true SFs on the roster?). Where is Jimmer supposed to fit?

[Chinook]

This thread may have more pages than Jimmer will have points this year.

If you mean regular-season NBA points, it may have passed him up after the first post.

[Nathan89]

I don't get it. The Spurs have three for each guard spot and Butler would make three for SF (when was the last time we had three true SFs on the roster?). Where is Jimmer supposed to fit?

Clearly we don't really need 3 sfs. Ray and Simmons are still unknown and Manu and Tony are injury prone. So if Jimmer and Butler is a toss up I'd take Jimmer. Likely in that scenario I would take both over Bonner.

[dabom]

Did spurstacular kill himself? It's been more than 6 hours since his last reply. Must be serious. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Clearly we don't really need 3 sfs. Ray and Simmons are still unknown and Manu and Tony are injury prone. So if Jimmer and Butler is a toss up I'd take Jimmer. Likely in that scenario I would take both over Bonner.Hasn't Kawhi missed at least 16 games each year since his first year in the league? I wouldn't call Anderson a known and Jimmer isn't any less an unknown compared to Ray and Simmons.

lol moving the goalpost to Bonner.

[Mikeanaro]

Lol 72 pages about a scrub, WTF!?
He will make no difference at all you know.

[Nathan89]

Hasn't Kawhi missed at least 16 games each year since his first year in the league? I wouldn't call Anderson a known and Jimmer isn't any less an unknown compared to Ray and Simmons.

lol moving the goalpost to Bonner.


Not moving the goal post. I said if Jimmer is equally as good as Butler I would take him over Butler. I just added, in that case I would most likely take both over Bonner.

Anderson isn't a known either. I should add that I wouldn't mind giving Simmons or Ginobili minutes at the 3 so the depth at that position isn't as big of a deal to me as obtaining someone with potential play making ability.

I'm not preparing for a Kawhi injury as much because if that were to happen in the playoffs then we are fucked no matter what.

[hater]

This thread may have more pages than Jimmer will have points this year.

May????

No way scrubette gets over 50 pts

[cd98]

Hard for Jimmer to stand out when he comes in late second quarter and gets like 6 minutes for the game. You take that snap shot and a lot of guys getting a pass would be getting the same vitriol. That said, there's probably a reason why he didn't get in earlier and wasn't given more minutes, and that does not bode well for him.

[Spurtacular]

He better get his mentality fixed or he isn't going to be on the team. Spurs fed him a couple of open shots and he couldn't deliver. I don't care if he can't defend or makes some risky bone head plays (that bad pass to Mills). I expect him though to make his shots when he is open. Did not happen.

He had the worse +/- of the scrubs, -12

Even Reggie Williams played a better game!!!

I think this extended thread is messing with his mind. There's no reason why he should feel any pressure.

The one real open easy three didn't count cos of the Kawhi foul. He made that. I remember him passing on a decent three look at the corner extended and then kicking. He was ready on the next one, but really didn't catch in rhythm and would've been better off pump faking and letting the defender go by. The shot he took was a bit rushed and not in great rhythm and unsurprisingly missed. I'm not worried about one game though. Yea, if he's on the edge of making the team, I hope he plays better and more aggressive. But long term, I still think he'll be a good fit once he finds himself in this system. He needs to want to shoot threes though. At one point, they sagged off him and he was looking for a post pass to LMA. Just bury the damn three. That's why the Spurs signed ya, son.

[Nathan89]

The one real open easy three didn't count cos of the Kawhi foul. He made that. I remember him passing on a decent three look at the corner extended and then kicking. He was ready on the next one, but really didn't catch in rhythm and would've been better off pump faking and letting the defender go by. The shot he took was a bit rushed and not in great rhythm and unsurprisingly missed. I'm not worried about one game though. Yea, if he's on the edge of making the team, I hope he plays better and more aggressive. But long term, I still think he'll be a good fit once he finds himself in this system. He needs to want to shoot threes though. At one point, they sagged off him and he was looking for a post pass to LMA. Just bury the damn three. That's why the Spurs signed ya, son.

He missed a really open easy 3. Not that means anything but that's what it was.

[ChumpDumper]

Not moving the goal post. I said if Jimmer is equally as good as Butler I would take him over Butler. I just added, in that case I would most likely take both over Bonner.

Anderson isn't a known either. I should add that I wouldn't mind giving Simmons or Ginobili minutes at the 3 so the depth at that position isn't as big of a deal to me as obtaining someone with potential play making ability.

I'm not preparing for a Kawhi injury as much because if that were to happen in the playoffs then we are fucked no matter what.If it happens during the regular season -- Kawhi has been missing at least 1/5 of the season for the past three -- wouldn't you want a known SF to play exactly the way Butler did last season for the Wizards?

[Spurtacular]

He missed a really open easy 3. Not that means anything but that's what it was.

I'd have to rewatch when I get a chance....

[Spurtacular]

If it happens during the regular season -- Kawhi has been missing at least 1/5 of the season for the past three -- wouldn't you want a known SF to play exactly the way Butler did last season for the Wizards?

At full strength, Butler would just be a waste. He could come in handy in the even to injuries and DNPs.

[ChumpDumper]

At full strength, Butler would just be a waste. He could come in handy in the even to injuries and DNPs.And those never happen to the Spurs, do they?

I don't even know if Jimmer would ever play with rotation Spurs sitting out.

[dabom]

And those never happen to the Spurs, do they?

I don't even know if Jimmer would ever play with rotation Spurs sitting out.

If porker can play, jimmy can play. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

I don't even know if Jimmer would ever play with rotation Spurs sitting out.

Jimmer > McCallum

No reason not to play Jimmer, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

And those never happen to the Spurs, do they?

Not with Kawhi, Anderson, and Simmons all prime and in front of Butler at the three. And this says nothing of three guard line-ups and Diaw or Bonner playing the occasional three.

[ChumpDumper]

If porker can play, jimmy can play. :lmaoThis is why you are a shitty poster.

[ChumpDumper]

Jimmer > McCallum

No reason not to play Jimmer, tbh.So dar, Ray's been much better than Jimmer.


Not with Kawhi, Anderson, and Simmons all prime and in front of Butler at the three.Now two unknown players are in their primes -- including a rookie. And Kawhi is the one that has been missing 1/5 of each season.


And this says nothing of three guard line-ups and Diaw or Bonner playing the occasional three.Bonner at the three? :lol

You reach further and further with every page of this thread.

[dabom]

This is why you are a shitty poster.

Stay up porkers asshole. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Stay up porkers asshole. :lmaoStay up your krew's assholes and they will stay up yours.

[Spurtacular]

I meant young and good; that's prime to me. But if you want to split hairs....

At the end of the day, Butler is behind three better, younger players. The rationale for adding him to the team is very limited.

[ChumpDumper]

I meant young and good; that's prime to me. But if you want to split hairs....

At the end of the day, Butler is behind three better, younger players. The rationale for adding him to the team is very limited.It is not clear at all that Simmons is better than Butler. A vet who can sit on the bench without complaint and be effective when needed is exactly what a team like this needs.

[dabom]

I thought the Spurs learned their lesson with signing old guys. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I thought the Spurs learned their lesson with signing old guys. :lmaoAre you talking about Butler?

[Spurtacular]

It is not clear at all that Simmons is better than Butler. A vet who can sit on the bench without complaint and be effective when needed is exactly what a team like this needs.

KA and Simmons are still a bit unproven. But they're the future and in all likelihood better options than Butler this season. Adding Butler to the team is done putting him as the fourth string wing. I don't see it happening. And remember that KA and Simmons are under contract; so, taking Butler means having four wings in any event.

[ChumpDumper]

KA and Simmons are still a bit unproven. But they're the future and in all likelihood better options than Butler this season. Adding Butler to the team is done putting him as the fourth string wing. I don't see it happening. And remember that KA and Simmons are under contract; so, taking Butler means having four wings in any event.Simmons "a bit" unproven.

:lol more reaching.

Simmons may be the future, but he isn't the present. He's being groomed to play the 2, not the 3.

[AFBlue]

Why the overreaction to a single game in the preseason. This is a marathon, not a sprint for Jimmer.

[dabom]

Are you talking about Butler?

Who else?

[ChumpDumper]

Who else?OK, what did he do last night to make you think he can't play on the Spurs?

[ChumpDumper]

Why the overreaction to a single game in the preseason. This is a marathon, not a sprint for Jimmer.He may not have many more chances on the Spurs.

[Spurtacular]

Simmons "a bit" unproven.

:lol more reaching.

Simmons may be the future, but he isn't the present. He's being groomed to play the 2, not the 3.

You're making a case for an aging wing with a clear ceiling and will not likely be needed or get much real run if any; and you're advocating this fourth wing to the detriment of the guard core. And you're ignoring luxury tax implications at the same time. I think you're the one that's reaching.

[Spurtacular]

Why the overreaction to a single game in the preseason. This is a marathon, not a sprint for Jimmer.

[dabom]

OK, what did he do last night to make you think he can't plat on the Spurs?

The spurs shouldn't invest their time on a player on their last legs that isn't part of the big three. Had nothing to do with last night.

[ChumpDumper]

You're making a case for an aging wing with a clear ceiling and will not likely be needed or get much real run if any; and you're advocating this fourth wing to the detriment of the guard core. I think you're the one that's reaching.He'd be the third SF, there would be three SGs as well. Three PGs too. All without Jimmer.

[ChumpDumper]

The spurs shouldn't invest their time on a player on their last legs that isn't part of the big three. Had nothing to do with last night.So you made another judgment without watching someone play.

:lmao

[dabom]

So you made another judgment without watching someone play.

:lmao

Not actually addressing the topic for like the tenth time today. :lmao

[AFBlue]

He may not have many more chances on the Spurs.

Spurs aren't going to throw away $500K because of a bad game, or even a few. This was a few minutes of bad play, nothing more.

[ChumpDumper]

Not actually addressing the topic for like the tenth time today. :lmaoActually, it is exactly the topic.

Don't get upset because you didn't watch the game. You don't care about roster spots filled by people like Butler, remember?

Or do you care now?

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs aren't going to throw away $500K because of a bad game, or even a few. This was a few minutes of bad play, nothing more.Eh, it's just not that much money if he continues to suck. That's why it's only a partial guarantee.

Besides, if he's as good as you all say he'd be picked off waivers anyway.

[dabom]

Actually, it is exactly the topic.

Don't get upset because you didn't watch the game. You don't care about roster spots filled by people like Butler, remember?

Or do you care now?

You don't think his age is a factor you stupid fuck? :lmao

Can anyone show us his injury history?

[ChumpDumper]

You don't think his age is a factor you stupid fuck? :lmaoJudging from last season, what I saw last night and considering how he would be used by the Spurs, no.


Can anyone show us his injury history?I recalled Kawhi's injury history, which I believe to be more of a factor here.

Keep not watching players play -- it really helps your argument.

[dabom]

Judging from last season, what I saw last night and considering how he would be used by the Spurs, no.

I recalled Kawhi's injury history, which I believe to be more of a factor here.

Keep not watching players play -- it really helps your argument.

Kawhi's knees and ankles are fine. Resting, pink eye and a broken finger have you worried? :lmao

[Spurtacular]

He'd be the third SF, there would be three SGs as well. Three PGs too. All without Jimmer.

:lol You're already stating outright that Butler is ahead of Simmons......

The lengths you go to, man.....

[dabom]

:lol You're already stating outright that Butler is ahead of Simmons......

The lengths you go to, man.....

Did chump say that? :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lol You're already stating outright that Butler is ahead of Simmons......

The lengths you go to, man.....I counted Simmons as SG, genius.

[Spurtacular]

I counted Simmons as SG, genius.

Maybe, you weren't paying attention to what positions Simmons was playing last night, genius. He's 6'6" with a 6'8" wing span. The dude's gonna log his main minutes at the three. And even if he did play more SG, that wouldn't put freaking Butler ahead of him in the depth chart at the wing.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe, you weren't paying attention to what positions Simmons was playing last night, genius. He's 6'6" with a 6'8" wing span. The dude's gonna log his main minutes at the three. And even if he did play more SG, that wouldn't put freaking Butler ahead of him in the depth chart at the wing.I paid attention -- last night and in SL and the D-League -- he was used as a combo guard. And the jury is out on whether he would be ahead or behind Butler at the 3 -- oh that's right, you said Simmons is in his prime as a rookie.

lol you even rounded up his measurements. Reaching.

[SAGirl]

Jimmer > McCallum

No reason not to play Jimmer, tbh.
Not to me. He was awful. Ray made clutch shots with a quick release and was dedicated on defense. With him to start the 4th, the team made a run. Jimmer played with effort defensively but was overmatched by everyone. Small guys run past him off a screen easy. SG he can't even deal with bc his arms at not even long enough to make a decent contest. Patty has the same problem. Quite simply you can't play Jimmer at the 2 unless you have a playmaker 2 like Manu.
Unfortunately, I have to agree and give all props to Chinook. He was right. Jimmer passed up 3s that other shooters could have taken due to his slow/weird shooting motion. He had good looks and didn't make them. I thought his best aspect is that his ballhandling is good and he's quick enough off the dribble to make plays. He got decent minutes with different guys and didn't show his game.

To me the worst player of the bunch was Reggie Williams though. He was completely disinterested on defense, allowing Marco open looks. I'd give Jimmer another look, but the real team line-ups are going to command minutes next time bc they have chemistry issues and he won't get as many more chances unless he comes out with the mind to be balling.

[Birn]

There's no way the Spurs complete an evaluation of Jimmer after 12 minutes of the first preseason game. Their evaluation is based on much more than that. They also have a lot to see in practice and scrimmages. Nobody on the bubble has moved ahead or behind anybody. Once they have a few weeks of practice and 3 to 4 games under their belt, that's when players begin to separate themselves. Fredette, Thomas, Williams and Butler will get varying degrees of minutes and matchups through the preseason and that will help the staff to better evaluate everyone.

[ceperez]

Not to me. He was awful. Ray made clutch shots with a quick release and was dedicated on defense. With him to start the 4th, the team made a run. Jimmer played with effort defensively but was overmatched by everyone. Small guys run past him off a screen easy. SG he can't even deal with bc his arms at not even long enough to make a decent contest. Patty has the same problem. Quite simply you can't play Jimmer at the 2 unless you have a playmaker 2 like Manu.
Unfortunately, I have to agree and give all props to Chinook. He was right. Jimmer passed up 3s that other shooters could have taken due to his slow/weird shooting motion. He had good looks and didn't make them. I thought his best aspect is that his ballhandling is good and he's quick enough off the dribble to make plays. He got decent minutes with different guys and didn't show his game.

To me the worst player of the bunch was Reggie Williams though. He was completely disinterested on defense, allowing Marco open looks. I'd give Jimmer another look, but the real team line-ups are going to command minutes next time bc they have chemistry issues and he won't get as many more chances unless he comes out with the mind to be balling.

Spurs have 3 guards that all do the same thing... Mills, McCallum and Fredette. I don't know much about Williams, but I gather he also is the same kind of guard.

McCallum seems to be just as bad a Cojo in orchestrating the offense. McCallum's problem is that when his dribbling doesn't help him or the team. It is kind of pointless. At least Mills uses it and a screen to find space to shoot. McCallum just has a pointless dribble.

What impressed me though about McCallum is how quick he released that 3 point shot. Maybe he's been watching Curry's game.

Fredette still hasn't learned to release quickly enough. That is a major problem and prevents him from getting clean looks.

[Aztecfan03]

Damage control. :lmao

:lmao at thinking damage control is needed for a single preseason game.

[Nathan89]

Debating whether or not simmons is a 3 or 2 is irrelevant. Would you mind playing him next to Manu is what really matters. I wouldn't.

[Chinook]

Just made no sense to guarantee him so much money on a one-year deal. He's never been a good offensive team player. He's always been a guy who needs the ball in his hands but is simultaneously not good enough with the ball in his hands to make his team better. If you're going to get a shooter, get a shooter who can get his shot off. If you're going to get an offensive player, get one who has poor offensive metrics. If you're going to give a guy a shot to turn around his career, don't guarantee half his salary.

I'm sure Jimmer will have better games this preseason. He can get hot and more aggressive. But the question isn't whether Jimmer can be serviceable if everything goes his way. It's whether he will give a higher return on investment compared to another min guy. I'm not convinced that's the case. As a guy that far down the totem pole, Jimmer's the one who has to fit what the team does. The team should not have to adjust to his style.

[Spurtacular]

Not to me. He was awful. Ray made clutch shots with a quick release and was dedicated on defense. With him to start the 4th, the team made a run. Jimmer played with effort defensively but was overmatched by everyone. Small guys run past him off a screen easy. SG he can't even deal with bc his arms at not even long enough to make a decent contest. Patty has the same problem. Quite simply you can't play Jimmer at the 2 unless you have a playmaker 2 like Manu.
Unfortunately, I have to agree and give all props to Chinook. He was right. Jimmer passed up 3s that other shooters could have taken due to his slow/weird shooting motion. He had good looks and didn't make them. I thought his best aspect is that his ballhandling is good and he's quick enough off the dribble to make plays. He got decent minutes with different guys and didn't show his game.

To me the worst player of the bunch was Reggie Williams though. He was completely disinterested on defense, allowing Marco open looks. I'd give Jimmer another look, but the real team line-ups are going to command minutes next time bc they have chemistry issues and he won't get as many more chances unless he comes out with the mind to be balling.

I can see why you believe such things. But I think you're making a rush to judgement based on one game.

Reggie annoyed the hell out of me at the end of the game--fool acting like he's (a good) James Harden at the end of the game, dribbling the ball all over without aggression for the remaining 12 seconds. It's like pass the damn ball, bitch. Don't even know why he was in the game; he has a zero percent shot at a roster spot.

[Spurtacular]

As a guy that far down the totem pole, Jimmer's the one who has to fit what the team does. The team should not have to adjust to his style.

That should be Jimmer's outlook. But the Spurs would be stupid not to take advantage of his strengths nonetheless. High screen and let him create or shoot the bomb. Let Jimmer be Jimmer if you want the highest dividends. None of that is to say that he shouldn't be working on weaknesses in his game or find ways to fit in the system better.

[benfti]

By even talking about Jimmer and Ray in the same sentence as Patty is talking serious smack about Mills.

Mills is a legit NBA player, and a good one at that.

[Spurtacular]

Spurs have 3 guards that all do the same thing... Mills, McCallum and Fredette.

Patty was a cut above those two last night.

McCallum had a good game; but people need to realize that the outside shooting was above his metrics. He's not a reliable shooter, especially on contested shots. Jimmer had a dreadful game. In reality, Jimmer is the much better shooter; everything else is comparable between the two.

[Chinook]

That should be Jimmer's outlook. But the Spurs would be stupid not to take advantage of his strengths nonetheless. High screen and let him create or shoot the bomb. Let Jimmer be Jimmer if you want the highest dividends. None of that is to say that he shouldn't be working on weaknesses in his game or find ways to fit in the system better.

The issue is that even at his best, it wasn't like Jimmer was moving the needle for his teams. Yes, if he can play his game (hold the ball and take 30-foot stepbacks and floaters), his personal number will go up. But it doesn't help the team for him to be the primary ball-handler. His skill would be fine as a secondary ball-handler, but he doesn't play well off the ball at all. Does it make sense for Pop to take the ball out of Ginobili's or Anderson's hands to give Jimmer the nod? Not really.

[SAGirl]

I can see why you believe such things. But I think you're making a rush to judgement based on one game.

Reggie annoyed the hell out of me at the end of the game--fool acting like he's (a good) James Harden at the end of the game, dribbling the ball all over without aggression for the remaining 12 seconds. It's like pass the damn ball, bitch. Don't even know why he was in the game; he has a zero percent shot at a roster spot.
Williams was bad. To me the most damming about him was him missing rotations. He gave up a 3 at the end, I just rewatched the last quarter bc I loved Anderson TBH. Anyways, he left Marco open for a 3 that could have been the game right there. There were a couple of other plays in transition that he botched. Simmons ran ahead and lost track of Marco. Simmons botched his assignment in transition, but Williams was trailing and could have called out Simmons to pick him up or sprint and make a play himself and he didn't. No amount of good shooting from Williams is worth that. I did see Jimmer play with more effort than that, he just wasn't very good. For sure Ray is better defensively and he's no playmaker, but he has a quick shot, is aggressive and has a good handle. It was just one game. He has a partial guarantee and will get more chances.

[Aztecfan03]

Eh, it's just not that much money if he continues to suck. That's why it's only a partial guarantee.

Besides, if he's as good as you all say he'd be picked off waivers anyway.

it adds up when you account for the luxury tax they would pay for paying someone else too.

[Raven]

i'm not sure what is this topic about, we know who jimmer is. We don't need no D shooters, we had enough of cancernelli in these two years thank you.

[SAGirl]

The issue is that even at his best, it wasn't like Jimmer was moving the needle for his teams. Yes, if he can play his game (hold the ball and take 30-foot stepbacks and floaters), his personal number will go up. But it doesn't help the team for him to be the primary ball-handler. His skill would be fine as a secondary ball-handler, but he doesn't play well off the ball at all. Does it make sense for Pop to take the ball out of Ginobili's or Anderson's hands to give Jimmer the nod? Not really.
I have to say Anderson is that guy who makes other guys look better by playing next to him. He stood out in SL and again in this game. At one point in the 4th, Messina sat him for a min and the team started to look like a dleague team and he had to get him back in. Anderson scored or assisted in about 50% of the team's last baskets. I saw him point to guys where to go and what to do at times. It's not just what we see, I think there is communication with guys to get on the same page on what they are doing, leadership if you will. I think he played the last 3 mins or so in the 3rd and almost all of the 4th. That unit at the end worked bc of him. Karl had no answer for him, he drove by cOusins and at the other end Boban and swarming the paint caused TO, so Karl went to Rudy Gay. No big deal either. Kyle brought the team back from a double digit deficit, with obvious contributions from other guys, both Ray and the centers were huge and the team was stout defensively. The WIlliams substitution doomed them bc of his bad defensive effort and poor play.
Anyways Kyle was really impressive and not ball dominant. He's blossoming into a fine young player. I don't see him back in the dleague as he's too good for that and he will get minutes this year, bc Pop will want to continue to develop that talent.

[Spurtacular]

The issue is that even at his best, it wasn't like Jimmer was moving the needle for his teams. Yes, if he can play his game (hold the ball and take 30-foot stepbacks and floaters), his personal number will go up. But it doesn't help the team for him to be the primary ball-handler. His skill would be fine as a secondary ball-handler, but he doesn't play well off the ball at all. Does it make sense for Pop to take the ball out of Ginobili's or Anderson's hands to give Jimmer the nod? Not really.

Jimmer did not have a good game playing off the ball. The chemistry is not there yet though. I'm optimistic we'll see significant improvement provided Jimmer makes the roster. Jimmer didn't have a good game; but it's noteworthy that the players he was on the floor with were not doing well either. He actually looked good playing off of strong players like Kawhi.

[Spurtacular]

I have to say Anderson is that guy who makes other guys look better by playing next to him.

Anderson is the other guy that Jimmer looked good playing off of. Anderson was playing too much hero ball though. He only got a pass b/c he was making his shots. But he wasn't doing the Spurs mantra of pass up a good shot for a better shot. All the same, I thought the drive and kick potential between the two was looking good.

[ChumpDumper]

it adds up when you account for the luxury tax they would pay for paying someone else too.Who says they would sign anyone else? They'll run with 14 or 15 to start the season.

[SAGirl]

Anderson is the other guy that Jimmer looked good playing off of. Anderson was playing too much hero ball though. He only got a pass b/c he was making his shots. But he wasn't doing the Spurs mantra of pass up a good shot for a better shot. All the same, I thought the drive and kick potential between the two was looking good.
He had a good shooting% bc he took shots that are good for him to take. He had mismatches on jump shots he took, on others he came off a screen and was wide open. His floater in the lane is a go to move that he's developing and he's good at it. He took a shot to end the quarter that was meant to run the clock. You could have had Anderson or Simms take that last shot but Anderson was in control of the game and was taking advantage off the dribble against Cousins. He hardly forced shots. Simms and Jimmer had almost back to back TO within the last 3 mins of the game, so him taking control of the game to end a quarter and close out a game in the context of this game and the line-ups was warranted. I like Simms a lot too, and he made plays for other guys that were timely and made the group more multifaceted. In fact it was Jimmer who didn't add much.

[ceperez]

Anderson is the other guy that Jimmer looked good playing off of. Anderson was playing too much hero ball though. He only got a pass b/c he was making his shots. But he wasn't doing the Spurs mantra of pass up a good shot for a better shot. All the same, I thought the drive and kick potential between the two was looking good.

Hero ball? He had 5 assists!

[ceperez]

He had a good shooting% bc he took shots that are good for him to take. He had mismatches on jump shots he took, on others he came off a screen and was wide open. His floater in the lane is a go to move that he's developing and he's good at it. He took a shot to end the quarter that was meant to run the clock. You could have had Anderson or Simms take that last shot but Anderson was in control of the game and was taking advantage off the dribble against Cousins. He hardly forced shots. Simms and Jimmer had almost back to back TO within the last 3 mins of the game, so him taking control of the game to end a quarter and close out a game in the context of this game and the line-ups was warranted. I like Simms a lot too, and he made plays for other guys that were timely and made the group more multifaceted. In fact it was Jimmer who didn't add much.

Simms and SloMo contributed a ton, just look at the stats. Their +/- were like 18 and 14. Jimmer was like -8.

Anyway, I would like him to shoot better, that's all. If he doesn't do that, then he shouldn't be on the team. I don't know how much time he's got, but Butler definitely is almost got one foot in the door.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I can see why you believe such things. But I think you're making a rush to judgement based on one game.

Reggie annoyed the hell out of me at the end of the game--fool acting like he's (a good) James Harden at the end of the game, dribbling the ball all over without aggression for the remaining 12 seconds. It's like pass the damn ball, bitch. Don't even know why he was in the game; he has a zero percent shot at a roster spot.

Where you seem to have a disconnect is that no one expects williams to be good, whereas you believe Fred already is. The fact that you are comparing him to someone that definitely won't make the team should give you pause. It won't, but it should.

[Kidd K]

I'm not going to throw him totally under the bus over one game. I'll wait to see 5-6 games first. Thus far though, he wasn't impressive, no. Anderson on the other hand. . .is looking a lot better than I even hoped for. I'm quite pleased with him thus far. :)



He had a good shooting% bc he took shots that are good for him to take. He had mismatches on jump shots he took, on others he came off a screen and was wide open. His floater in the lane is a go to move that he's developing and he's good at it. He took a shot to end the quarter that was meant to run the clock. You could have had Anderson or Simms take that last shot but Anderson was in control of the game and was taking advantage off the dribble against Cousins. He hardly forced shots. Simms and Jimmer had almost back to back TO within the last 3 mins of the game, so him taking control of the game to end a quarter and close out a game in the context of this game and the line-ups was warranted. I like Simms a lot too, and he made plays for other guys that were timely and made the group more multifaceted. In fact it was Jimmer who didn't add much.

Good take imo. In particular noticing shots taken with the clock in mind. So many fans miss that point of fact and cry "chucker!" or "heroball!". Anderson was aggressive on stuff that he needed to be. Very impressive display of awareness.

[AFBlue]

There's no way the Spurs complete an evaluation of Jimmer after 12 minutes of the first preseason game. Their evaluation is based on much more than that. They also have a lot to see in practice and scrimmages. Nobody on the bubble has moved ahead or behind anybody. Once they have a few weeks of practice and 3 to 4 games under their belt, that's when players begin to separate themselves. Fredette, Thomas, Williams and Butler will get varying degrees of minutes and matchups through the preseason and that will help the staff to better evaluate everyone.

Stop it with your common sense reaction!

[Chinook]

Stop it with your common sense reaction!

I mean, of course Jimmer won't look that bad again. (I sincerely hope not at least.) But when people spend a month talking about Jimmer's problems and how they affect his game, and people like you dismiss it as gobbledygook, and then Jimmer goes out and fails for those exact issues, maybe you should hold back your eye-rolling. The guy we saw last game was the REAL Fredette. That's the guy who's on his fourth team in three years. That's the guy whose numbers go down the more his team passes the ball. That's the guy who couldn't even secure a guaranteed minimum deal in his prime. He'll have better days, but people are judging him off far more than 12 minutes of play time.

[BD24]

I mean, of course Jimmer won't look that bad again. (I sincerely hope not at least.) But when people spend a month talking about Jimmer's problems and how they affect his game, and people like you dismiss it as gobbledygook, and then Jimmer goes out and fails for those exact issues, maybe you should hold back your eye-rolling. The guy we saw last game was the REAL Fredette. That's the guy who's on his fourth team in three years. That's the guy whose numbers go down the more his team passes the ball. That's the guy who couldn't even secure a guaranteed minimum deal in his prime. He'll have better days, but people are judging him off far more than 12 minutes of play time.
well said :toast

[Aztecfan03]

Who says they would sign anyone else? They'll run with 14 or 15 to start the season.
many people think they will sign Butler.

[HarlemHeat37]

I really don't understand why so many people keep analyzing Fredette like he's a rookie, though:lol..

It's not an overreaction to 1 preseason game, man has played over 3000 NBA regular season minutes, this isn't his first taste of NBA action..

[SilverSpur]

There's a reason the Spurs bring in players like Jimmer Fredette because they see something that they can use or develope. Jimmer has been on several teams in a short period of time. The first team drafted him and the rest needed players for injury reasons or they just needed depth.
With time coach Pop the rest of the coaching staff, Manu, Parker and Mills can turn him into a very valubale player. Remember what they did with Derek Brown and Gary Neal.
My honest belief is that Manu will retire after this season and the Spurs wanted to get someone in a year early to learn the system and learn behind Manu. Everyone knows it takes a year before Coach Pop really starts playing players new to the team.
With Jimmer the payoff will come next year, just like Splitter, G Hill, Gary Neal and now Kyle Anderson.

[Spurtacular]

Where you seem to have a disconnect is that no one expects williams to be good, whereas you believe Fred already is. The fact that you are comparing him to someone that definitely won't make the team should give you pause. It won't, but it should.

I wasn't comparing the two; but that's okay.

Jimmer needs to play better going forward. At this point, he's giving a lot of credence to the naysayers.

[Spurtacular]

There's a reason the Spurs bring in players like Jimmer Fredette because they see something that they can use or develope. Jimmer has been on several teams in a short period of time. The first team drafted him and the rest needed players for injury reasons or they just needed depth.
With time coach Pop the rest of the coaching staff, Manu, Parker and Mills can turn him into a very valubale player. Remember what they did with Derek Brown and Gary Neal.
My honest belief is that Manu will retire after this season and the Spurs wanted to get someone in a year early to learn the system and learn behind Manu. Everyone knows it takes a year before Coach Pop really starts playing players new to the team.
With Jimmer the payoff will come next year, just like Splitter, G Hill, Gary Neal and now Kyle Anderson.

Interesting perspective. I tend to agree. I doubt Jimmer gets bumped for someone like Butler (at the start of the season). He needs better showings between now and January though; or that's when a Butler or someone could bump him out.

[ChumpDumper]

many people think they will sign Butler.They've already signed Butler.

[SAGirl]

Just made no sense to guarantee him so much money on a one-year deal. He's never been a good offensive team player. He's always been a guy who needs the ball in his hands but is simultaneously not good enough with the ball in his hands to make his team better. If you're going to get a shooter, get a shooter who can get his shot off. If you're going to get an offensive player, get one who has poor offensive metrics. If you're going to give a guy a shot to turn around his career, don't guarantee half his salary.

I'm sure Jimmer will have better games this preseason. He can get hot and more aggressive. But the question isn't whether Jimmer can be serviceable if everything goes his way. It's whether he will give a higher return on investment compared to another min guy. I'm not convinced that's the case. As a guy that far down the totem pole, Jimmer's the one who has to fit what the team does. The team should not have to adjust to his style.

You got me thinking about this. I have started to think the aspect of Jimmer that most intrigued Pop and the staff is his ballhandling and creating off the dribble. They already knew he could shoot, and Chip is likely to have noticed the weird slow shot motion and his difficulties in that area. Like Bonner he can hopefully make the wiiide open shot and unlike him, maybe have the occasional hot shooting, circus shot night. But what they mentioned is that they wanted to see other things.

According to Pop he didn't even know about Simms until SL and what intrigued and impressed him the most was his passing in SL and training camp bc that is special. It's really a talent that can't be coached.

It's possible the staff just got for Pop an array of options to fill up a casualty insurance need in an additional ball handler/offensive player. Simms to me, shaky handles and all is the better option. He's not a shooter, but his size, athleticism, defensive upside and his passing make him a better option. Wing depth is a need as well, and Simms is a true wing. You can picture him fitting in and playing a role well enough with different lineups in case of injuries. Where I argue you really don't want Simms is at PG, which is basically what you would have for Jimmer, a 4th string PG push.

Butler is making a strong case for himself with hot shooting and good hustle effort. In perspective it's the last spot and together with Bonner we won't see much of said player.

[tbdog]

Was Jimmer that bad in game 1?

[Dex]

Was Jimmer that bad in game 1?

He was easily the worst player for the Spurs.

Just one game...but Butler looks like the far better option at this point.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The game looked very simple for Butler. It was so obvious he's a vet. Meanwhile, Jimmer struggled to keep up with John Stockton's unknown son.

[Nathan89]

He was easily the worst player for the Spurs.

Just one game...but Butler looks like the far better option at this point.

LMA is in that convo.

[ElNono]

It's pretty obvious why Jimmer was brought in. The Spurs went from "good" in the post with Duncan/Kawhi/Boris, to "loaded" with Duncan/LMA/Kawhi/West/Boris and potentially KA... furthermore, LMA apparently will request a good chunk of touches, so it makes sense that to accommodate that we're going to switch from a heavy motion offense to a heavy inside-out offense. To make that work, you need pure shooters. Jimmer was, at least in college, that kind of guy. Whether he still has that touch or not, will probably determine if he sticks or not. But the reasoning I think it's clear. And Pop is likely going to give him time to show what he has, because we're going to need shooters like that.

That's on offense... defensively, I'm not sure yet what they're going to do.

[ChumpDumper]

LMA is in that convo.No, LMA definitely looked better than Jimmer.

[.G.]

:lol jimmah

[.G.]

I kinda feel for da little neg, but after a while you realize it's probably not meant to be.

He's becoming (if not already become) what tebow is to the nfl

[Spurtacular]

LMA is in that convo.

Good point. LMA DID have the worst game. It happens.

[ChumpDumper]

Good point. LMA DID have the worst game. It happens.Sure, they'll waive LMA to keep Jimmer. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Sure, they'll waive LMA to keep Jimmer. :lol

Is that what I said, or are you an ass clown?

[spurraider21]

They've already signed Butler.
you knew what he meant. whats with the ocd?

[tholdren]

I really don't understand why so many people keep analyzing Fredette like he's a rookie, though:lol..

It's not an overreaction to 1 preseason game, man has played over 3000 NBA regular season minutes, this isn't his first taste of NBA action..

The reality of it is, he didn't play worse than McCallum, Simmons, or Williams.

Ray = 17 minutes 3/7 with 3 TOS and 1 assist.
Jim = 11 min 0/4 with 1 TO and 2 assists.
Simmons = 23 min 1/6 with 2 TOs and 4 assists. and played completely out of control. I like it kind of, but it's more cringeworthy than Manu game 6
Williams = 8 min 1/2 with 0 TOS and 0 assists.
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Players who did impress were Anderson, and Butler from the "new" crew.
----------

The only player that looked good from a vet or returning SPUR was Patty. All around blah night from an effort and intensity standpoint. Doesn't matter if it is a "meaningless" game. They are pros, and should act like it.

[ChumpDumper]

you knew what he meant. whats with the ocd?I know exactly what he meant. He meant to deflect from Jimmer's terrible game..

[SAGirl]

The reality of it is, he didn't play worse than McCallum, Simmons, or Williams.

Ray = 17 minutes 3/7 with 3 TOS and 1 assist.
Jim = 11 min 0/4 with 1 TO and 2 assists.
Simmons = 23 min 1/6 with 2 TOs and 4 assists. and played completely out of control. I like it kind of, but it's more cringeworthy than Manu game 6
Williams = 8 min 1/2 with 0 TOS and 0 assists.
---------
Players who did impress were Anderson, and Butler from the "new" crew.
----------

The only player that looked good from a vet or returning SPUR was Patty. All around blah night from an effort and intensity standpoint. Doesn't matter if it is a "meaningless" game. They are pros, and should act like it.

I like where you are going with this. What the stats don't show in that first list you make is the defensive impact and overall quality of play of each guy. Ray started up cold, but his defensive effort was consistent. He was the best of the crew you mention defensively. He did a number on Stockton to start the 4th quarter and got hot at the right time. He's not a good playmaker, but had a quick trigger shooting without hesitation, which allowed him to get hot to start the 4th quarter and was part of a come back from behind highlighted by defensive effort, fast pace, and good decisions with the ball.

Simmons struggled on defense against Marco, but Marco is an elite offensive weapon and will run you off screens, take off balance shots and look to score while you are ballwatching. Basically, a terrific test for Simms. He could have gotten a hand up on Marco more, and could have been better, but its part of a learning process for him. He did sprint back in transition and come away with loose balls. Jimmer was inadequate defensively, and had untimely poor play. His 1 TO came within 2 mins of the 4th Q in a close game. He allowed his man to do whatever he wanted. But he at least play with effort, and urgency, he just didn't have a good game. Williams was the worst, just defensively was awful, lack of hustle, lack of sprinting in transition, botching rotations to give up a wide open 3 to Marco that probably iced the game, dribbling the ball aimlessly, looking lost, just horrible. Based on this game, Williams be gone.

Anderson and Butler were good all around, at both ends. Anderson of course was the gem. Caused a lot of deflections, came away with loose balls, kept his man in front of him, overall on defense much better than anyone gives him credit for, and offensively, took control of the game when he needed to, set others up for good shots, played off the ball well, and wasn't ball dominant. He was excellent.

[admiralsnackbar]

I know exactly what he meant. He meant to deflect from Jimmer's terrible game.. Or continue trolling the thread with his one-note caricature of a player-fan.

[benfti]

The game looked very simple for Butler. It was so obvious he's a vet. Meanwhile, Jimmer struggled to keep up with John Stockton's unknown son.
That was interesting when he came in I thought this will be a good chance for him to go against a guy he has a size advantage over and be able to match athletically, but Stock Jnr torched him.

[apalisoc_9]

Did anyone else notice his role eye attitude when Boban missed his pass? :lol

The guy is one of the worst players in the league with an Ego bigger than the himalayas.

We don't need two Tony Parker in the team

[Chinook]

Did anyone else notice his role eye attitude when Boban missed his pass? :lol

The guy is one of the worst players in the league with an Ego bigger than the himalayas.

We don't need two Tony Parker in the team

I did notice that. I hope it was just nerves. If what Ditty said was true, he's had a bad camp so far. It would be understandable for him to be annoyed to see a guy with a guaranteed spot fumble away one of Jimmer's two or three decent plays of the game.

[apalisoc_9]

It doesn't Help that the best player in the team doesn't like him too..:lol

Kawhi Flat out ignored him in the game and refused to even communicate in one occasion against the kings. :lol

Aztecs hated Jimmer and his "entitled attitude". I'm sure Kawhi still thinks of him the same way. :lol

[tholdren]

It doesn't Help that the best player in the team doesn't like him too..:lol

Kawhi Flat out ignored him in the game and refused to even communicate in one occasion against the kings. :lol

Aztecs hated Jimmer and his "entitled attitude". I'm sure Kawhi still thinks of him the same way. :lol


Then it shows KL's maturity level, lack of leadership, and that he's not for the team. Don't know why you would be happy about that.

[apalisoc_9]

Oh I am 100% happy with that.

I don't want jimmer any close to a spurs bench.

It wasn't really Just Kawhi...Out of all the New guys, he was the one that looked lost the most..None of the guys in the court connected with him...BY FAR

[tholdren]

Oh I am 100% happy with that.

I don't want jimmer any close to a spurs bench.

It wasn't really Just Kawhi...Out of all the New guys, he was the one that looked lost the most..None of the guys in the court connected with him...BY FAR

Right, but even if he was the worst player. Why would you want our best player to be a loser.

[Spurtacular]

The guy is one of the worst players in the league with an Ego bigger than the himalayas.



One has to be a certified Jimmer hater / d-bag to say such nonsense. Jimmer is one of the humblest guys in the league. Too humble, imo.

[apalisoc_9]

One has to be a certified Jimmer hater / d-bag to say such nonsense. Jimmer is one of the humblest guys in the league. Too humble, imo.

http://i.imgbox.com/9bZ9CPAs.gif

[Spurtacular]

You're gay.

[Aztecfan03]

They've already signed Butler.
not to a guaranteed contract though, right?

[weeks]

One has to be a certified Jimmer hater / d-bag to say such nonsense. Jimmer is one of the humblest guys in the league. Too humble, imo.
he has much to be humble about.

[apalisoc_9]

he has much to be humble about.

:lmao

[sasaint]

I like where you are going with this. What the stats don't show in that first list you make is the defensive impact and overall quality of play of each guy. Ray started up cold, but his defensive effort was consistent. He was the best of the crew you mention defensively... He's not a good playmaker, but had a quick trigger shooting without hesitation, which allowed him to get hot to start the 4th quarter and was part of a come back from behind highlighted by defensive effort, fast pace, and good decisions with the ball.

Simmons struggled on defense against Marco, but... a terrific test for Simms... He did sprint back in transition and come away with loose balls. Jimmer was inadequate defensively, and had untimely poor play... Williams was the worst, just defensively was awful, lack of hustle, lack of sprinting in transition, botching rotations to give up a wide open 3 to Marco that probably iced the game, dribbling the ball aimlessly, looking lost, just horrible. Based on this game, Williams be gone.

Anderson and Butler were good all around, at both ends. Anderson of course was the gem. Caused a lot of deflections, came away with loose balls, kept his man in front of him, overall on defense much better than anyone gives him credit for, and offensively, took control of the game when he needed to, set others up for good shots, played off the ball well, and wasn't ball dominant. He was excellent.

I missed the game, so I am glad for your evaluations. I have not really seen McCallum play, but your assessment worries me. I think we do need a backup for Tony that is a truer point guard than Patty, or apparently Ray.

Contrary to at least one commentator in this thread, I believe that Simmons, not Jimmer, was the player brought in to be mentored by Manu. I hope that Manu can show Simmons how to play with greater control without losing his aggressive edge, essentially mirroring Manu's own development.

I am not surprised but very gratified to see you and several others giving Kyle good reviews. I have moderate expectations for Kyle, but very high hopes. I also think he could help Simmons learn to play more within himself.

I thought Reggie played exactly as you described last season. He is a long-overdue former Spur.

What was your take on Boban?

[SAGirl]

I missed the game, so I am glad for your evaluations. I have not really seen McCallum play, but your assessment worries me. I think we do need a backup for Tony that is a truer point guard than Patty, or apparently Ray.

Contrary to at least one commentator in this thread, I believe that Simmons, not Jimmer, was the player brought in to be mentored by Manu. I hope that Manu can show Simmons how to play with greater control without losing his aggressive edge, essentially mirroring Manu's own development.

I am not surprised but very gratified to see you and several others giving Kyle good reviews. I have moderate expectations for Kyle, but very high hopes. I also think he could help Simmons learn to play more within himself.

I thought Reggie played exactly as you described last season. He is a long-overdue former Spur.

What was your take on Boban?

Personally, I liked Boban. He is surprisingly mobile for a guy that size, and was not trailing behind or anything. He's very big, with very long arms and very strong. He is intimidating, and caused many shots to be redirected then collected as loose balls or a rebound by someone on the perimeter. He will not be bullied. I thought he contained PnR well, bc he has just enormous size and can stand far back and still get a hand up if he needs to. He takes up a lot of space, and can turn with reasonable speed to roll, has good footwork in that regard, and also in defending PnR. The Spurs looked - to me- like they were trying the "wall" defense when Boban was in. I specifically noticed both Kyle and Ray contain Rudy Gay and Stockton respectively one on one by not giving any straight line drive. The ballhandler was only channeled to Boban in a PnR situation and I thought Boban did a good job when someone got to the rim. The scheme they were using gave him enough time to make adequate contests, his defensive presence was very important in the comebacks.

The bad is rebounding. He doesn't jump and just takes up space with his size and his strength. Not a big rebounder for a guy that size. I would consider it a weakness. He's so large that it might not have been an issue in Europe, but in this game Willie Cauley Stein came up with an offensive rebound in the last Kings possession, when the Spurs needed to get a stop down 1 I believe, and at that point the game was lost. The quickness and athleticism of some guys like Willie Cauley Stein and maybe the Tristan Thompsons of the world, meaning guys who go after offensive rebounds hard, and who are athletic and quick enough to get that rebound even when you think they are out of the play is something he is unused to. He needs to box out these guys hard and needs awareness and fundamentals to combat that athleticism, but if he can figure it out, he'll be adequate at least in boxing them out, bc he's massive and strong. Someone else is going to have to go for that rebound as well though.

Offensively, he was touted as having good hands, but he had the ball knocked away. He probably needs work on shielding the ball, holding it up higher and guys should probably lob the ball to him, not throw bounce passes.

Concerning Ray, I didn't see talented passing from him but that first unit was all out of sorts TBH, only Patty looked good. Kawhi had too many iso and didn't set others up. LMA was out of sorts and also too many iso, only had a few shots out of PnP. Danny was klutzy. Just not good play. Regardless, Ray is more of a combo guard. What I liked about him, was his defensive effort and he takes care of the ball under pressure. He's athletic and with size to defend well, and has a quick shot. Whether his shooting will hold we'll see, but he was not afraid to shoot and has a fast trigger, which CoJo didn't have for example and messed up spacing when playing him. Ray is aggressive with his shot if he's open and you want that. I didn't expect Ray to be some terrific playmaker so I am not disappointed. He could be better setting others up if he had chemistry with them, at least setting up simple plays, but that unit was out of sorts.

The second unit was better but it was bc they played at a hectic pace and Simmons and Anderson are gifted passers, Ray was quick moving the ball ahead and making passes in transition. You could say he struggles in half court sets.

[ChumpDumper]

not to a guaranteed contract though, right?Right, but there would be no reason to sign Butler in the first place were there not a contingency for keeping him.

[SpursIndonesia]

.............
The bad is rebounding. He doesn't jump and just takes up space with his size and his strength. Not a big rebounder for a guy that size. I would consider it a weakness. He's so large that it might not have been an issue in Europe, but in this game Willie Cauley Stein came up with an offensive rebound in the last Kings possession, when the Spurs needed to get a stop down 1 I believe, and at that point the game was lost. The quickness and athleticism of some guys like Willie Cauley Stein and maybe the Tristan Thompsons of the world, meaning guys who go after offensive rebounds hard, and who are athletic and quick enough to get that rebound even when you think they are out of the play is something he is unused to. He needs to box out these guys hard and needs awareness and fundamentals to combat that athleticism, but if he can figure it out, he'll be adequate at least in boxing them out, bc he's massive and strong. Someone else is going to have to go for that rebound as well though.

....

In all fairness to the Bobbinator, in that last play he was defending the ball handler in P&R beetween David Stockton & WC Stein, focused in deterring the penetration. It worked quite well, the shot was funked badly by his intimidation, but as the result of that defense, his rebounding position became compromised & WC Stein took really good advantage of that. Yes he is not all that athletic, but that offensive rebound was not really his responsibility, others have failed badly to box out WC Stein in that possession. If Kawhi was there as the SF instead of Williams or Simmons, i bet my rear that the ball would have been secured definitely.

[HarlemHeat37]

The reality of it is, he didn't play worse than McCallum, Simmons, or Williams.

Ray = 17 minutes 3/7 with 3 TOS and 1 assist.
Jim = 11 min 0/4 with 1 TO and 2 assists.
Simmons = 23 min 1/6 with 2 TOs and 4 assists. and played completely out of control. I like it kind of, but it's more cringeworthy than Manu game 6
Williams = 8 min 1/2 with 0 TOS and 0 assists.
---------
Players who did impress were Anderson, and Butler from the "new" crew.
----------

The only player that looked good from a vet or returning SPUR was Patty. All around blah night from an effort and intensity standpoint. Doesn't matter if it is a "meaningless" game. They are pros, and should act like it.

Ok, but Jimmer has played over 3000 minutes in the NBA, we already know what he can do..he was a lottery pick, he has been given plenty of opportunities..

[T_L_P]

Heres hoping he gets cut soon

[spursistan]

the biggest embarrassment in ST history is this thread being 75+ pages..i'am ashamed of my 2 posts pointing it out..

[Spurtacular]

Ok, but Jimmer has played over 3000 minutes in the NBA, we already know what he can do..he was a lottery pick, he has been given plenty of opportunities..

By that logic, the Spurs should cut Ray and keep Jimmer, who has better per 36's.

[GB20]

By that logic, the Spurs should cut Ray and keep Jimmer, who has better per 36's.

dude! you will look bad when he gets cut.

[Spurtacular]

dude! you will look bad when he gets cut.

Jimmer won't be cut before January if he's cut at all.

[Spurtacular]

Gave the Kings preseason game a rewatch and found that the rhetoric against Jimmer is unjustified. I myself had said it was a terrible game for Jimmer or something to that effect. But the reality is that he played well; except his shot was not dropping very well in the first game.

First stint

* Made a three negated by Kawhi's turnover.
* Nice pick n' pop assist to LMA.
* No defensive lapses. Actually played good defense on Rondo for that matter.
* Good pass diagonal pass to Mills in the corner for a three that he didn't take.
* Great drive and floater that he didn't convert; but LMA cleaned it up b/c his man had to help.
* A good hard cut to the basket that LMA could've hit him on; in any event, it made the defense shift and created options at the three for other rotating players. LMA elected to brick a turnaround shot though.
* He created a mismatch for LMA on a quick transition after a made basket; and when Cousins went to double, he received an open three (which is exactly what the Spurs want).
* A hard close on Beli to not allow him an open three.
* Jimmer's thee presence on a post-up isolation prevented a strong side double. He would make a great back cut on the perimeter to get open for the three; LMA did not hit him and instead took Cousins 1v1 and was fouled.
* West committed a turnover on a collapse play that brilliantly left Jimmer open for three. Instead, West forced it. Come regular season, those plays will be hammered out and Jimmer will get the ball in rhythm and hit the bomb.
* Negative +/- very attributable to LMA playing very poorly within the offensive scheme. (LMA was taken out at the same time as Jimmer when RM came in and had a good +/-)

2nd Stint

* Good drive and floater. At the time I thought it was forced; but on the re-watch, I realize he knew he could easily get that shot on the much smaller David Stockton. He just didn't convert.
* Heads up foul on Anderson after he burned the other Anderson to not allow an easy lay-up.
* Good rotation. Anderson made the pass too high, so Jimmer couldn't get the open three off. A good drive; but then it looked like he was indecisive about shooting a floater or kicking to the corner and it was a turnover.
* Great use of the screen by Boban and then a "great" pass to Boban for a would-be dunk that he dropped. Btw, the reports of eye rolls by ST'ers are bunk. He clapped his hands and was muttering to himself. He directed no ill will to Boban though. For all we know, he wished he put the ball a little higher so that the ball couldn't be swatted from the big man's hands.
* Passed up on a good three from the side from KA. Pass was a bit low; but it was Stockton coming late. He should've taken it. But it was early in the shot clock; and those are the kind of 'mess-ups' a coach can live with.
* Missed a corner three. Rushed it, imo. A pump fake for the oncoming Stockton and a step to the side and shot would've been better, imo. But the shot he took was not bad per say.
* Played better defense against Stockton than Ray did, tbh.

And as an aside for all the Rasual Butler nut huggers; Kings players took it to the hole on him for scores on multiple occasions.

[spurraider21]

* Great drive and floater that he didn't convert
* A good hard cut to the basket that LMA could've hit him on; in any event, it made the defense shift and created options at the three for other rotating players.
:lmao jesus

[ChumpDumper]

Spurtacular's melting down over multiple threads is priceless.

Maybe he'll make the team, maybe not -- but this this will live in infamy.

[spurraider21]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lemmetweet/tweet/imgs/LRSSakJQkJAedpaknUbvCkaa.jpg20151012-3-vqdfnh?1444680116

[dabom]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lemmetweet/tweet/imgs/LRSSakJQkJAedpaknUbvCkaa.jpg20151012-3-vqdfnh?1444680116

That's just a pic. Give us a link.

[dabom]

Fake like usual.

[Spurtacular]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lemmetweet/tweet/imgs/LRSSakJQkJAedpaknUbvCkaa.jpg20151012-3-vqdfnh?1444680116

Dumb ass.

[apalisoc_9]

hearing fredette, sykes, thomas and ndyoye didn't make the trip...

What does this mean?

[wildcardX]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lemmetweet/tweet/imgs/LRSSakJQkJAedpaknUbvCkaa.jpg20151012-3-vqdfnh?1444680116

Will he get released before this thread hits 100 pages?

[benefactor]

:lol Jimmer
:lol no minutes
:lol practice dummy
:lol pink slip coming

[benefactor]

Jimmer won't be cut before January if he's cut at all.
...aaaand logged out.

[.G.]

Poor jimm:lolh

[ceperez]

Well too bad he didn't play against the Heat.

I wonder why Spurs put him on ice?

[cd98]

Most of the scrubs barely played. This is one of those games where Pop tried to work on chemistry for the roster players that are actually good. So not a lot of minutes for Jimmer. On the flip, bad for him that he can't get 3 minutes in this game. Though he wins when others play and suck even when he doesn't play.

[Spurtacular]

Well too bad he didn't play against the Heat.

I wonder why Spurs put him on ice?

20 guys; not everyone gonna play. Most DNPs decided in advance.

[Spurtacular]

Minus 11 for McCallum tonight. Not surprised he couldn't close, tbh.

[tholdren]

No one out performed him. Anderson shit the bed after a great first game. Ray sucked 2 in a row. Simmons was out of control. Butler also was mia. Only good bench player was manu.

Side note green looks terrible 2 games in

[Birn]

Can someone post a replay of the game when it becomes available? Thanks

[Chinook]

No one out performed him. Anderson shit the bed after a great first game. Ray sucked 2 in a row. Simmons was out of control. Butler also was mia. Only good bench player was manu.

Side note green looks terrible 2 games in

Green had a pretty strong game. What were you looking at?

[tholdren]

Green had a pretty strong game. What were you looking at?

Green is averaging 6ppg 2 rpg on 30 percent in 20 mpg. He needs to score this year. He needs to rebound this year. He needs to shoot well this year.

[Spurtacular]

Meh...it's one game.

[SnakeBoy]

First time I've ever seen Jimmer play...I can only pray I don't see him play again.

Thank You, Jesus.

[ElNono]

No one out performed him. Anderson shit the bed after a great first game. Ray sucked 2 in a row. Simmons was out of control. Butler also was mia. Only good bench player was manu.

Side note green looks terrible 2 games in

He's been ok... his shot is just not falling. The only disappointing thing with him is that he doesn't seem to have improved in the handles department.

But I mean, after the household discount he gave us, just being the same ol' Danny Green should work just fine.