Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread

[Seventyniner]

Eh I still think the mostly likely scenario is Saric returning to form and the Suns keeping him for the season tax implications be damned.

You do know who owns the Suns, right?

The Suns have paid a total of $11.3M in luxury tax payments in the last 20 years but nothing since 2009-2010, the tail end of their last contention window. That means Sarver might be willing to pay it this year because the Suns are still contenders, but I wouldn't call it a 100% chance.

Fun stat: the Warriors paid $170M in luxury tax this past season. Hot damn.

Other fun stat: the Lakers/Nets/Clippers combined for zero playoff wins and $226M in luxury tax payments.

https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/62c052c85efa9a7b688bca9d/Comprehensive-History-of-NBA-Luxury-Tax-Payments--2001---2022/960x0.jpg

[Seventyniner]

As a followup to that last post, the more total tax that the big-spending teams pay, the more lucrative it is to get under the tax and get a share of that money. That would give Sarver (and other teams just above the tax) an even bigger incentive to get under it.

The Spurs holding their cap space to the trade deadline is a very real possibility imo. If a team finds itself above the tax but not in real contention, they might be willing to give assets to get a share of the tax payments.

I wish that chart had a column for projected 2022-2023 tax payments as things stand now. If I had Twitter I would ask him myself. He wrote this article and his Twitter link is at the bottom.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markdeeks/2022/07/01/a-complete-history-of-nba-luxury-tax-payments-20012022/?sh=14812c0d432f

[Kevin]

You do know who owns the Suns, right?

The Suns have paid a total of $11.3M in luxury tax payments in the last 20 years but nothing since 2009-2010, the tail end of their last contention window. That means Sarver might be willing to pay it this year because the Suns are still contenders, but I wouldn't call it a 100% chance.

Fun stat: the Warriors paid $170M in luxury tax this past season. Hot damn.

Other fun stat: the Lakers/Nets/Clippers combined for zero playoff wins and $226M in luxury tax payments.

https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/62c052c85efa9a7b688bca9d/Comprehensive-History-of-NBA-Luxury-Tax-Payments--2001---2022/960x0.jpg
Sarver will pay the tax minus Craig unless they implode. If they collapse that's a different story.

[exstatic]

Eh I still think the mostly likely scenario is Saric returning to form and the Suns keeping him for the season tax implications be damned.

They probably dump Torrey Craig at the deadline who's making 5.1 million this season. By the time the deadline rolls around most of his contract will be paid off with roughly two million left on his deal. It shouldn't cost much more than a second round pick to dump him.

Suns don't hurt their win now window by dumping a good role player in Saric while still reducing the tax bill without attaching significant assets.

You’re projecting your thinking on the situation, but Sarver is a cheap fuck. He’ll dump contracts to get under the tax, whether now, or at the deadline. This is the team that failed to pick up their 2020 #10 overall lottery pick’s $4.7M option last summer. $4.7M.

[jjspur]

I remember the love affair when he made the team. Now hes an evil a-hole who didn't really help the team at all. Guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Last year Murray was the top dog here, lets see what he does in Atlanta where he isn't top dog any more. I don't think Trey Young gives up that spot. You're right the truth lies somewhere in the middle and by next may, we'll know for sure.

[The Truth #6]

Last year Murray was the top dog here, lets see what he does in Atlanta where he isn't top dog any more. I don't think Trey Young gives up that spot. You're right the truth lies somewhere in the middle and by next may, we'll know for sure.

It will definitely be interesting. Dejounte Unchained could try to assume that he is the veteran leader having learned under Pop, the Big 3 and DDR...and I could see this rubbing others the wrong way. Or, he's just happy to be hitting the strip clubs and winning more games. Hard to tell. Trae Young doesn't seem like a Westbrick moron, but hey, maybe?, and so that dynamic has a lot of possible outcomes.

[tonight...you]

It will definitely be interesting. Dejounte Unchained could try to assume that he is the veteran leader having learned under Pop, the Big 3 and DDR...and I could see this rubbing others the wrong way. Or, he's just happy to be hitting the strip clubs and winning more games. Hard to tell. Trae Young doesn't seem like a Westbrick moron, but hey, maybe?, and so that dynamic has a lot of possible outcomes.
My opinion, and just my opinion is that I think DJM is going to take that leadership role a step back and try to mesh.
Things may go great, but if they are losing I can see him thinking: Now I'm going to have to step up for the team and be the leader I am, and that might break things down even worse.

We'll never know until the games begin.

Intriguing shit.

[exstatic]

It will definitely be interesting. Dejounte Unchained could try to assume that he is the veteran leader having learned under Pop, the Big 3 and DDR...and I could see this rubbing others the wrong way. Or, he's just happy to be hitting the strip clubs and winning more games. Hard to tell. Trae Young doesn't seem like a Westbrick moron, but hey, maybe?, and so that dynamic has a lot of possible outcomes.

Tre and John Collins have been squabbling for 2 seasons. I’ve half wondered if ATL didn’t get DJ so they could cash out on Tre. Collins was an ACTUAL 21/10 guy before Tre arrived, and is now a 16/8 guy. I don’t think he got any worse.

[The Truth #6]

Tre and John Collins have been squabbling for 2 seasons. I’ve half wondered if ATL didn’t get DJ so they could cash out on Tre. Collins was an ACTUAL 21/10 guy before Tre arrived, and is now a 16/8 guy. I don’t think he got any worse.

That’s an interesting take. Trae Young seems like empty calories to me. He’s had enough time to be an anchor for a team and they have supporting talent but they can’t put it together. I’d trade Young if a good return was there.

[Seventyniner]

Trae Young is looking just like Damian Lillard at this point. As the HOTS he can get you a low playoff seed and the occasional fluke conference finals appearance, but he will never accept being the #1B let alone the #2 option he should be on a contender.

[R. DeMurre]

The problem Atlanta has is that both Trae and Collins have flaws, and that will probably make a championship impossible for them. It's similar to the Donovan Mitchell/Rudy Gobert pairing, or the old Atlanta teams built around Dominique Wilkins-- that'll get you in the playoffs, but the flaws are serious enough compared to the true difference makers that a title is nearly out of the question. I think viewing Collins as a legit 20/10 guy is questionable. He posted 21/10 for a team that went 20-47, but more like 17/7 for the Hawks when they have a winning record. In terms of impact, he's a lot closer to Aaron Gordon than he is to Tim Duncan, in my opinion.

[exstatic]

The problem Atlanta has is that both Trae and Collins have flaws, and that will probably make a championship impossible for them. It's similar to the Donovan Mitchell/Rudy Gobert pairing, or the old Atlanta teams built around Dominique Wilkins-- that'll get you in the playoffs, but the flaws are serious enough compared to the true difference makers that a title is nearly out of the question. I think viewing Collins as a legit 20/10 guy is questionable. He posted 21/10 for a team that went 20-47, but more like 17/7 for the Hawks when they have a winning record. In terms of impact, he's a lot closer to Aaron Gordon than he is to Tim Duncan, in my opinion.

He's not even close to Duncan, but far better than Gordon. Just his shooting alone lifts him way above Aaron.

[R. DeMurre]

Agreed, but I'd still say he's closer to Gordon than he is to Duncan.

[exstatic]

Fun fact: Gordon has never averaged 8 rebounds in a season. His career mark is 6.3.

[TD 21]

Wiggins didn’t deserve to start but deserved to be in the AS Game.

Also, he was easily the 3rd best player in the NBA Finals and has already surpassed Kawhi in scoring. He is a top 10 2 way NBA player. Better than every person on our roster.

:lmao No, he didn't. The only reason he made it is because BTS or some other K-Pop group promoted him on social media for some reason.

He's fine in his role now, but don't let the Warriors hype fool you. He's not a top 10 anything.



same people who thought he got robbed not being named an allstar outright now saying he wasnt technically a real all star since he's no longer a spur :lol

Both can be true. He did get robbed because of what I said above, but he's also a guy who made an All-Star team out of circumstance more than a true All-Star.

It happens (see DeRozan making 5).



Tre and John Collins have been squabbling for 2 seasons. I’ve half wondered if ATL didn’t get DJ so they could cash out on Tre. Collins was an ACTUAL 21/10 guy before Tre arrived, and is now a 16/8 guy. I don’t think he got any worse.

They got Murray to attempt to appease Young and the decline in Collins' (irrelevant) counting stats are a product of the talent around him improving significantly.



That’s an interesting take. Trae Young seems like empty calories to me. He’s had enough time to be an anchor for a team and they have supporting talent but they can’t put it together. I’d trade Young if a good return was there.


Trae Young is looking just like Damian Lillard at this point. As the HOTS he can get you a low playoff seed and the occasional fluke conference finals appearance, but he will never accept being the #1B let alone the #2 option he should be on a contender.

He's been in the league for 4 seasons, on bad-decent teams, is still only 23 and has already led a team to the Conference Finals.

He's already a top 10 offensive player, but obviously building a championship contender around someone with his physical limitations is highly unlikely. Still, neither the Hawks nor him should concede that pursuit at this relatively early juncture.

[KingKev]

:lmao No, he didn't. The only reason he made it is because of BTS or some other K-Pop group promoted him on social media for some reason.

He's fine in his role now, but don't let the Warriors hype fool you. He's not a top 10 anything.




Both can be true. He did get robbed because of what I said above, but he's also a guy who made an All-Star team out of circumstance more than a true All-Star.

It happens (see DeRozan making 5).




They got Murray to attempt to appease Young and the decline in Collins' (irrelevant) counting stats are a product of the talent around him improving significantly.






He's been in the league for 4 seasons, on bad-decent teams, is still only 23 and has already led a team to the Conference Finals.

He's already a top 10 offensive player, but obviously building a championship contender around someone with his physical limitations is highly unlikely. Still, neither the Hawks nor him should concede that pursuit at this relatively early juncture.

Holy fk you are annoying

:lmao

[TD 21]

Holy fk you are annoying

:lmao

:lmao Wouldn't want facts to get in the way of the Toronto homer fan boying it up.

[KingKev]

:lmao Wouldn't want facts to get in the way of the Toronto homer fan boying it up.

Massai is your daddy.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[TD 21]

Massai is your daddy.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

:lmao Thinking Wiggins is a legit All-Star caliber player is even worse than thinking Brown is a borderline superstar.

[Rocalcio]

My opinion, and just my opinion is that I think DJM is going to take that leadership role a step back and try to mesh.
Things may go great, but if they are losing I can see him thinking: Now I'm going to have to step up for the team and be the leader I am, and that might break things down even worse.

We'll never know until the games begin.

Intriguing shit.

We already know Young has temper, he showed it during the Knicks series, and we just discovered Murray can also be a dick. They keep saying they can’t wait to play with each other but if the beginning of the season doesn’t match Atlanta’s expectations, I can see those two creating a big mess…

[tonight...you]

We already know Young has temper, he showed it during the Knicks series, and we just discovered Murray can also be a dick. They keep saying they can’t wait to play with each other but if the beginning of the season doesn’t match Atlanta’s expectations, I can see those two creating a big mess…
Very possible. We'll see.

[tbdog]

Young is the best player for the Hawks since Dominique. They'll keep him. He'll be a top 10-15 player. Give them some nice playoff runs. They'll supermax him. They won't cash out on him. The coach will go if they fail this season.

[mo7888]

Free agent G/F Joe Weiskamp is returning to the San Antonio Spurs on a two-year, $4.4 million deal, his agents Kyle McAlarney and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tell ESPN.

Woj

[mo7888]

Nets and KD reach agreement to stay in Brooklyn

Shams

[KingKev]

Nets and KD reach agreement to stay in Brooklyn

Shams

Hopefully he tears his ACL again for wasting everyones fking time.

Domino’s should start falling now which is good.

[Leetonidas]

lmao...what a joke. Nets "stars" create all this drama over the summer, halt the trade market, and for what? :lol Can't wait to watch this team fail next year

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Lol KD being pathetic per par.

At least we can hope the suspended free agency can finally resume now. There are moves to be made by a number of teams.

[CGD]

Damn, another hit to his legacy all for freaking Kryie Irving.

[TD 21]

Good. Sick of hearing about this nonsense. Nets should challenge for top offense in the league, but defense/rebounding (Simmons might start at C) will likely be their undoing.

Meanwhile, with Lakers attention now turning to Bogdanovic and Beverley, their hopes of getting back into championship contention are dashed.


Hopefully he tears his ACL again for wasting everyones fking time.

Domino’s should start falling now which is good.

:lmao Hypocritical Raptors fan boy unhinged because those clowns weren't handed another superstar for pennies on the dollar and will remain a treadmill team for the foreseeable future.

[KingKev]

Good. Sick of hearing about this nonsense. Nets should challenge for top offense in the league, but defense/rebounding (Simmons might start at C) will likely be their undoing.

Meanwhile, with Lakers attention now turning to Bogdanovic and Beverley, their hopes of getting back into championship contention are dashed.



:lmao Hypocritical Raptors fan boy unhinged because those clowns weren't handed another superstar for pennies on the dollar and will remain a treadmill team for the foreseeable future.

I could care less where KD potentially ended but happy we can get on with free agency as we have 30mm to possibly help facilitate remaining deals. KD he is almost as big of a hoe as you.

:lmao: :lmao:

[TD 21]

:lmao At Screamin' A. continuing to mention the owners coming for the players in the next CBA primarily due to Harden, Irving, Simmons and Durant's lack of integrity in terms of honoring their contract/quitting, but failing to mention a certain Scumbag who emboldened them by showing that you can do damn near anything and not only get away with it, but get praised to no end.


I could care less where KD potentially ended but happy we can get on with free agency as we have 30mm to possibly help facilitate remaining deals. KD he is almost as big of a hoe as you.

:lmao: :lmao:

:lmao "We". Pretending to be a Spurs fan.

[KingKev]

Looks like Kyrie and KD were practicing together today also. BK will probably fill out their roster with min contracts: LMA, Howard, Melo, Griffin, Cousins, Schroeder all still FAs.

Sexton probs getting just north of MLE from Cleveland and the price for Spida is probably more DJ’esque than Gobert.

Lakers are fked lol

[tbdog]

lmao...what a joke. Nets "stars" create all this drama over the summer, halt the trade market, and for what? :lol Can't wait to watch this team fail next year

Kobe did it and got to the finals. Then won 2 titles.

[KingKev]

Nets quietly had a decent offseason…. Their big 3 probably all suit up to start the season with Joe Harris back and they added Royce O’Neale, TJ Warren and only lost Bruce Brown.

[Leetonidas]

Kobe did it and got to the finals. Then won 2 titles.

Kobe was in his prime at his peak though, he wasn't a 34 year old with multiple season ending injuries under his belt fresh off getting swept in the first round

[Mr. Body]

Nets quietly had a decent offseason…. Their big 3 probably all suit up to start the season with Joe Harris back and they added Royce O’Neale, TJ Warren and only lost Bruce Brown.

Didn't they lose all their bigs? I haven't been following what's happened with Griffin and Drummond and I figure Aldridge is cooked.

[Joseph Kony]

Maybe we'll finally see some movement around the league of smaller FAs still on the market or smaller trades now that KD/Kyrie arent going anywhere. End of August coming up, training camp starting soonish, guys gotta get situated before the season

[tbdog]

Kobe was in his prime at his peak though, he wasn't a 34 year old with multiple season ending injuries under his belt fresh off getting swept in the first round

I don't get your point. Durant staying in the nets is good for nba. They are not a super team but a very good one. It will make the East having 3 legit contenders, maybe even 76ers being the 4th. Durant going to a super team isn't good for the NBA. Also Durant backtracking on his trade demand is similar to Kobe's.

[TD 21]

Didn't they lose all their bigs? I haven't been following what's happened with Griffin and Drummond and I figure Aldridge is cooked.

Drummond signed with the Bulls, Griffin looked finished and Aldridge was solid, but still dropped from the rotation once Drummond was acquired and Claxton got healthy.

Given the depth of perimeter talent and lack there of in terms of bigs (Sharpe, though Howard is apparently an option), Simmons will likely play a lot of five.

[rogcl1]

Kobe was in his prime at his peak though, he wasn't a 34 year old with multiple season ending injuries under his belt fresh off getting swept in the first round

I am not really a fan of Durant, but I would not sell him short as a player even now. He saved Pop's ass in the Olympics and now has had a long offseason to rest. Just sayin.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So with Durbeta staying that means Kyrie won’t be traveling across the flat Earth to Lakerland. Where will the LeBrons turn now?

[KingKev]

Didn't they lose all their bigs? I haven't been following what's happened with Griffin and Drummond and I figure Aldridge is cooked.

They resigned Claxton probably their most important big. Griffin, Aldridge, Cousins, Hoawrd are all still free agents so they should be able to shore up the back up frontline cheap and easy. Aldridge still looked like he had 15-20 minutes a night in him last season.

Also, Simmons can play some 4/5 as required especially with Durant on the court.
Drummond went to the Bulls

[PuzzBeterson]

They resigned Claxton probably their most important big. Griffin, Aldridge, Cousins, Hoawrd are all still free agents so they should be able to shore up the back up frontline cheap and easy. Aldridge still looked like he had 15-20 minutes a night in him last season.

Also, Simmons can play some 4/5 as required especially with Durant on the court.
Drummond went to the Bulls


They'll be fine filling up that roster with some old vets who believe in them. Royce and TJ are fine signings, especially at their contracts.

btw - been meaning to ask, who's the douche in your avatar? Such a weird pic.

[KingKev]

They'll be fine filling up that roster with some old vets who believe in them. Royce and TJ are fine signings, especially at their contracts.

btw - been meaning to ask, who's the douche in your avatar? Such a weird pic.

Your biological dad.

Who’s in yours? Your step daddy?

[PuzzBeterson]

Your biological dad.

Who’s in yours? Your step daddy?

Ah jeez, going by your reaction it's you? My bad, I thought it was a meme or something.

Mine is a Spurs legend - shame on you for not recognizing Tony Massenburg.

[KingKev]

Ah jeez, going by your reaction it's you? My bad, I thought it was a meme or something.

Mine is a Spurs legend - shame on you for not recognizing Tony Massenburg.

So I guess I’m a douche with a pic of myself, and you are a douche with a pic of another man.

[PuzzBeterson]

So I guess I’m a douche with a pic of myself, and you are a douche with a pic of another man.
Not just any man.

[KingKev]

Not just any man.

Correct not just any man; your step daddy.

Now let’s get back to basketball chit chat yeah? How do you feel holding the next biggest time bomb of an NBA contract giving Bradley Beal a quarter yard?

That’s Russ, John Wall level bad and won’t age well in my opinion.

[PuzzBeterson]

Correct not just any man; your step daddy.

Now let’s get back to basketball chit chat yeah? How do you feel holding the next biggest time bomb of an NBA contract giving Bradley Beal a quarter yard?

That’s Russ, John Wall level bad and won’t age well in my opinion.

(Tony Massenburg is not my stepdad - however, I bet he's got a lot of others playing stepdad to his offspring, with the way he hopped around the NBA)

Dude, I only noticed today that it says the Wiz are my team. I hate them, pathetic front office. With Rui and Kuzma, they'll probably sign Jabari Parker soon to get that trifecta of suck ass SF masquerading as PFs.

Nah my team is the Sonics. Until we get our team back, I'm a free agent.

[John B]

I rather the Nets getting in the playoffs and avoiding making those unprotected FRP's to the Rockets becoming high lottery picks.

And with Kyrie out of the Laker's reach, the Lakers can focus on unloading Westbrooks with their two remaining FRP's. Or will they? I still don't like the Spurs bailing the Lakers out despite the possible unprotected FRP's return, which could very well be low picks with the Lakers' ability to retool being FA's preferred destination.

[exstatic]

I rather the Nets getting in the playoffs and avoiding making those unprotected FRP's to the Rockets becoming high lottery picks.

And with Kyrie out of the Laker's reach, the Lakers can focus on unloading Westbrooks with their two remaining FRP's. Or will they? I still don't like the Spurs bailing the Lakers out despite the possible unprotected FRP's return, which could very well be low picks with the Lakers' ability to retool being FA's preferred destination.

High level FAs the Lakers have signed in the last 25 years:

1996 Shaq
2018 LeBron

[KingKev]

I rather the Nets getting in the playoffs and avoiding making those unprotected FRP's to the Rockets becoming high lottery picks.

And with Kyrie out of the Laker's reach, the Lakers can focus on unloading Westbrooks with their two remaining FRP's. Or will they? I still don't like the Spurs bailing the Lakers out despite the possible unprotected FRP's return, which could very well be low picks with the Lakers' ability to retool being FA's preferred destination.

Very few deals if any for the Lakers at this point. Doubt any scenario where we eat Russ’ contract to help facilitate a broader trade nets us much at this point.

[Robz4000]

:lol people who were telling me Holgrem wouldn't be a bust

[KingKev]

:lol people who were telling me Holgrem wouldn't be a bust

Jumping the gun here.

Freak accident that could have been avoided. That game was cancelled because of condensation on the hardwood. Chet guarding LBJ on a slippery floor in his first run with real pros under the big lights. Easy to see how this happened.

I find it comical how quick some of you call 20yr old top tier players a bust.

[Robz4000]

Jumping the gun here.

Freak accident that could have been avoided. That game was cancelled because of condensation on the hardwood. Chet guarding LBJ on a slippery floor in his first run with real pros under the big lights. Easy to see how this happened.

I find it comical how quick some of you call 20yr old top tier players a bust.

There's been tons of precedent with players of his type busting out, whether through injury or just not being able to keep up with NBA speed.

[Leetonidas]

Off topic but saw in a Spurs group I follow on social media the cheapest prices for the Alamodome game in January are over $300 :wow that was on stubhub though. Hope it comes down as we get closer because there is no way people are paying that much to see a bottom feeder play in an old football stadium. Games gonna be full of Warrior fanboys

[Robz4000]

Off topic but saw in a Spurs group I follow on social media the cheapest prices for the Alamodome game in January are over $300 :wow that was on stubhub though. Hope it comes down as we get closer because there is no way people are paying that much to see a bottom feeder play in an old football stadium. Games gonna be full of Warrior fanboys

Just to play conspiracy theorist, but they could be hoping for that. Fill the stadium with Warrior fans for the 50th anniversary game to show on national television how "San Antonio has abandoned fan support for the Spurs" to help move along a potential move.

[The Truth #6]

Off topic but saw in a Spurs group I follow on social media the cheapest prices for the Alamodome game in January are over $300 :wow that was on stubhub though. Hope it comes down as we get closer because there is no way people are paying that much to see a bottom feeder play in an old football stadium. Games gonna be full of Warrior fanboys

Shit you could get upper deck tickets for $15 back in 99…for the Finals. Let the losses pile up and those prices will drop.

[KingKev]

Shit you could get upper deck tickets for $15 back in 99…for the Finals. Let the losses pile up and those prices will drop.

I scalped mine for $30 US a few mins into game one of the 99 finals. My shoulders were touching the blue veil.

[The Truth #6]

I scalped mine for $30 US a few mins into game one of the 99 finals. My shoulders were touching the blue veil.

I think HEB had a special going for my tickets.

[Mr. Body]

:lol people who were telling me Holgrem wouldn't be a bust

Embiid and Blake Griffin missed their first year(s).

[Robz4000]

Embiid and Blake Griffin missed their first year(s).

I'll give you Embiid since their injuries are similar, but Griffin broke his kneecap (didn't injure any of his ligaments).

[Seventyniner]

Off topic but saw in a Spurs group I follow on social media the cheapest prices for the Alamodome game in January are over $300 :wow that was on stubhub though. Hope it comes down as we get closer because there is no way people are paying that much to see a bottom feeder play in an old football stadium. Games gonna be full of Warrior fanboys

Yeah, it's bullshit to have that game against the (current) biggest bandwagon team in the league. It should have been against a bad team with few fans in SA like the Kings or Magic or Pacers.

[TD 21]

btw - been meaning to ask, who's the douche in your avatar? Such a weird pic.

:lmao I skimmed through this, saw him insult you and and didn't understand why, so I scrolled back up . . . spot on assessment.



Dude, I only noticed today that it says the Wiz are my team. I hate them, pathetic front office. With Rui and Kuzma, they'll probably sign Jabari Parker soon to get that trifecta of suck ass SF masquerading as PFs.

They're all fours in today's NBA (Parker has even played small ball five in recent stints).

You want to see threes masquerading as fours, all you've had to do is watch the Spurs in recent years (before that it was fives masquerading as fours).

[tonight...you]

I think HEB had a special going for my tickets.
Damn I miss HEB.

[KingKev]

:lmao I skimmed through this, saw him insult you and and didn't understand why, so I scrolled back up . . . spot on assessment.


They're all fours in today's NBA (Parker has even played small ball five in recent stints).

You want to see threes masquerading as fours, all you've had to do is watch the Spurs in recent years (before that it was fives masquerading as fours).

:lmao: this is your burner account you chump. Don’t try and act slick. Also, don’t private message me and try to make friends you fking clown. :lmao:

[KingKev]

They're all fours in today's NBA (Parker has even played small ball five in recent stints).

You want to see threes masquerading as fours, all you've had to do is watch the Spurs in recent years (before that it was fives masquerading as fours).

This soliloquy brought to you by TD 21 aka PuzzBeterson

[TD 21]

:lmao: this is your burner account you chump. Don’t try and act slick. Also, don’t private message me and try to make friends you fking clown. :lmao:


This soliloquy brought to you by TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) aka PuzzBeterson (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49986)

:lmao I don't do "burner" accounts and how did you get "trying to make friends" out of
Why so serious? So much for "enjoying the banter". Relax.?

You've got an anger issue and/or 'roid rage that needs addressing.

[KingKev]

Pay Bev to the Lakers for Stanley Johnson and THT.

Russ and Pat Bev are teammates at least for now. Interesting.

[PuzzBeterson]

This soliloquy brought to you by TD 21 aka PuzzBeterson

Nah man. Thats not me. Admins can probably confirm. Dutchie here.

Also I did not mean to offend KingKev by any means.

[PuzzBeterson]

Pay Bev to the Lakers for Stanley Johnson and THT.

Russ and Pat Bev are teammates at least for now. Interesting.

THT has two years on his contract left, the 2nd being a PO. So if he plays well, hes gone, if he plays badly, he opts in at 11M. I dont see how this trade makes sensw for the Jazz.

[KingKev]

THT has two years on his contract left, the 2nd being a PO. So if he plays well, hes gone, if he plays badly, he opts in at 11M. I dont see how this trade makes sensw for the Jazz.

I can’t see him outplaying that contract tbh. I’m sure Pat Bev did not want to be there so this was probably more about the Jazz getting anything in return and loading
up a nuclear tank.

[Ice009]

Man, how many teams has Patrick Beverly been on now? How many times has he been traded? I would have loved him on the Spurs 4 or 5 years ago, but I wonder why he gets traded all the time. Is he unwilling to accept a bench role on teams? Does he cause trouble in the locker room, or is it simply a talent thing where the teams he's on a always looking to upgrade at his expense.

[exstatic]

Man, how many teams has Patrick Beverly been on now? How many times has he been traded? I would have loved him on the Spurs 4 or 5 years ago, but I wonder why he gets traded all the time. Is he unwilling to accept a bench role on teams? Does he cause trouble in the locker room, or is it simply a talent thing where the teams he's on a always looking to upgrade at his expense.

He's a knuckle head. The end.

[The Truth #6]

Looks like the Spurs signed a pg from St. Mary’s (likely not the Rattlers). Probably for the Austin squad.

[exstatic]

Looks like the Spurs signed a pg from St. Mary’s (likely not the Rattlers). Probably for the Austin squad.

St. Marys, probably the one that Patty attended, and maybe even an Aussie.

[KingKev]

St. Marys, probably the one that Patty attended, and maybe even an Aussie.

and Landale.

[ace3g]

OT

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1562973866418249729

[BacktoBasics]

Oh no. Not dangerous drugs

[John B]

Pay Bev to the Lakers for Stanley Johnson and THT.

Russ and Pat Bev are teammates at least for now. Interesting.

I see Pat Bev a defensive upside if controlled. But in a volatile situation like the Lakers, where Davis was almost choking Howard on the sideline plus Westbrick’s tantrums, Pat Bev could be more fuel to a ticking bomb. Poor Lonnie caught in all the drama.

[Robz4000]

OT

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1562973866418249729

Welp, there goes his NBA career (not that he had much of one left).

[Chinook]

Welp, there goes his NBA career (not that he had much of one left).

He just signed an extension for a nice chunk in June. I'm sure he wants to hold onto that.

[Ice009]

I see Pat Bev a defensive upside if controlled. But in a volatile situation like the Lakers, where Davis was almost choking Howard on the sideline plus Westbrick’s tantrums, Pat Bev could be more fuel to a ticking bomb. Poor Lonnie caught in all the drama.

What incident was this? Did Davis try choking Howard? What was it over/about?

[rjv]

What incident was this? Did Davis try choking Howard? What was it over/about?

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-anthony-davis-dwight-howard-get-into-heated-exchange-separated-by-teammates/

[John B]

What incident was this? Did Davis try choking Howard? What was it over/about?


https://youtu.be/U9-m-VRvx6s

I thought it was choking but just altercations between Davis and Howard. Still in already a volatile situation that Lakers are, Bev is another nutcase who doesn’t help

[exstatic]

Spurstalk: Those other teams have such volatile personalities

Also Spurstalk: Spurs culture is overrated, and doesn't mean much.

[KingKev]

https://youtu.be/U9-m-VRvx6s

I thought it was choking but just altercations between Davis and Howard. Still in already a volatile situation that Lakers are, Bev is another nutcase who doesn’t help

Pat Bev gets into it with opposing teams and might be a bit of a troll but he’s a very hardworking, passionate player who is the first to tell you he knows his role. I bet he is actually a pretty good teammate.

[Robz4000]

He just signed an extension for a nice chunk in June. I'm sure he wants to hold onto that.

:lol missed that

[Mr. Body]

Oh no. Not dangerous drugs

Thalidomide.

[BacktoBasics]

Thalidomide.

Sounds like they might have been fishing. I wonder if it was a prescription.

[KingKev]

Sounds like they might have been fishing. I wonder if it was a prescription.

His reps say it’s just a weed charge.

[dbestpro]

His reps say it’s just a weed charge.

No thing as just a weed charge in Texas. By ignoring the issue could get him a little more trouble. The wrong judge will give him 90 days if he acts too arrogant.

[KingKev]

No thing as just a weed charge in Texas. By ignoring the issue could get him a little more trouble. The wrong judge will give him 90 days if he acts too arrogant.

Not really offering an opinion just putting out what his reps said. Ppl are pretty quick to jump all over the guy and say his career is finished when it might not have been a very big deal.

[KingKev]

His reps say it’s just a weed charge.

Looks like it was a weed pen and a gun.

https://people.com/sports/minn-timberwolves-taurean-prince-arrested-on-warrant-for-drug-and-gun-related-charges/

[BacktoBasics]

Looks like it was a weed pen and a gun.

https://people.com/sports/minn-timberwolves-taurean-prince-arrested-on-warrant-for-drug-and-gun-related-charges/

Gun is no problem other than he's the wrong skin color to have one in this state.

The weed pen is another issue. This is Texas first and Russamerica second but that's still a 10 year sentence in dis hur dees parts.

[Ice009]

Gun is no problem other than he's the wrong skin color to have one in this state.

The weed pen is another issue. This is Texas first and Russamerica second but that's still a 10 year sentence in dis hur dees parts.

Is a weed charge in Texas a pretty big deal?

[BacktoBasics]

Is a weed charge in Texas a pretty big deal?

Can be. Depends on how racist the law decides it wants to be.

[KingKev]

Can be. Depends on how racist the law decides it wants to be.

He’s from South Texas, played at Baylor and has made close to 50 bucks in his career. He’s fine.

[rogcl1]

Is a weed charge in Texas a pretty big deal?

The vape oils and edibles are a felony. If THC is extracted from the plant its a felony and lets say you had a pan of brownies or edibles you would be charged with felony possession of a controlled substance for the weight of the entire pan of brownies or edibles not just the amount of THC in the product. Small amounts of weed itself up to two ounces I believe is a class B misdemeanor. in most cases its a big money grab in return for no jail time on the felony counts.

[tbdog]

Weed charges here in Queensland is like a fine. Even if it's your 20th charge. Lol.

[Mr. Body]

Weed charges here in Queensland is like a fine. Even if it's your 20th charge. Lol.

The US is completely fucking insane with drug policy.

[PuzzBeterson]

The US is completely fucking insane with drug policy.
You call it a policy, I call it a business.

[mystargtr34]

Man, how many teams has Patrick Beverly been on now? How many times has he been traded? I would have loved him on the Spurs 4 or 5 years ago, but I wonder why he gets traded all the time. Is he unwilling to accept a bench role on teams? Does he cause trouble in the locker room, or is it simply a talent thing where the teams he's on a always looking to upgrade at his expense.

Part of it is I think he’s schtik wears teammates/coaches down after a year or two. No doubt he acts a fool at practice as well.

[KingKev]

Part of it is I think he’s schtik wears teammates/coaches down after a year or two. No doubt he acts a fool at practice as well.

I think this will turn out to be a decent signing. He’s not a traditional PG and can easily play along side Russ.

Solid 3 point shooter, pesky defender, doesn’t need alot of touches, can effect the game in many ways. He’a also pretty damn happy to have been saved from Utah and back in LA. Oh and he hates the Clippers. Sounds like a win for the Lakers. If/when this Laker team implodes I don’t think it’ll be because of him.

[Ice009]

[Q
UOTE=BacktoBasics;10802301]Can be. Depends on how racist the law decides it wants to be.[/QUOTE]


The vape oils and edibles are a felony. If THC is extracted from the plant its a felony and lets say you had a pan of brownies or edibles you would be charged with felony possession of a controlled substance for the weight of the entire pan of brownies or edibles not just the amount of THC in the product. Small amounts of weed itself up to two ounces I believe is a class B misdemeanor. in most cases its a big money grab in return for no jail time on the felony counts.

Yeah, thanks for explaining that to me. I can't believe weed is such a big charge in some stats in the US. I really don't think it's that big of a deal IMO.

[bluebellmaniac]

He’s from South Texas, played at Baylor and has made close to 50 bucks in his career. He’s fine.

50 dollars is 50 dollars.

[KingKev]

50 dollars is 50 dollars.

A buck is an M, a yard is a B

[ismael-robert]

Patrick hated clips cause of preferential treatment to stars Lakers will be no different

[KingKev]

Patrick hated clips cause of preferential treatment to stars Lakers will be no different

Not true. He hated Kawhi resting. LBJ doesn’t rest. Russ does not rest. If those guys are healthy they are pkaying 40 mins if need be.

AD, well maybe you have an argument. AD has something to prove this year.

[heyheymymy]

Not saying I like any deals, not claiming it's true/possible/feasible/likely- some bullshit reddit rumor talk:

Spurs have engaged Cavs

Spurs FO has engaged with Cavs regarding Sexton. Apparently your coach might not be comfortable giving 19 year old guards a ton of minutes this season. My friend says they offered Richardson + a few 2nd round picks. Spurs obviously have enough money available to sign Sexton outright but want to send out a contract and sign him at a cheaper rate without Cavs having the right to match. This would save capspace for Spurs to make further trades. Not familiar enough with Spurs plan except to say they apparently feel they can still get a high pick with Sexton on their roster similar to what OKC has been doing with SGA. Sexton's agent Klutch told Cavs they will likely sign the qualifying offer and sign with Lakers next summer so Cle might be motivated to trade him now since they can't do it without his permission after he signs the QO. Klutch got a max deal for Garland and apparently also had Cavs convinced they could sign Lebron next summer before he signed the extension with Lakers lol. Cavs decision maker is currently in Africa so it might take a few weeks to play out with Sexton.
I'm just a nobody out here in Vegas but get a good nugget every once in a while when my friend hits town and starts talking..Maybe it happens maybe not but I feel safe in saying talks definitely occurred. At least it's something y'all can discuss...I'm definitely not the type to post regular on a sports board. Just a messenger posting what I was told so please don't jump on me Spurs fans!

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/wzy2pk/spurs_have_engaged_cavs/

Interesting discussion about gauging the interest, Sexton's value, potential, fit with team and ability to bounce back recovery. Kind of like the Zollins situation, trusting he would recover. Sexton is a RFA so the trade would clear match obstacles as well as Spurs don't have an additional roster spot. Interesting angles on Chips departure and what that would mean for Sexton's need for shot repair. I've seen the discussion before on ST, seems like consensus is Sexton isn't really a good fit or good bet for success (inefficient player) so surely that factors in. Spurs might find their position makes Sexton a worthy gamble anyway. Just bored pre camp and running this old one again lol

Would be hilarious to see the Spurs get the wrong Collin(s) yet again lol /bluefont

[KingKev]

Not saying I like any deals, not claiming it's true/possible/feasible/likely- some bullshit reddit rumor talk:

Spurs have engaged Cavs

Spurs FO has engaged with Cavs regarding Sexton. Apparently your coach might not be comfortable giving 19 year old guards a ton of minutes this season. My friend says they offered Richardson + a few 2nd round picks. Spurs obviously have enough money available to sign Sexton outright but want to send out a contract and sign him at a cheaper rate without Cavs having the right to match. This would save capspace for Spurs to make further trades. Not familiar enough with Spurs plan except to say they apparently feel they can still get a high pick with Sexton on their roster similar to what OKC has been doing with SGA. Sexton's agent Klutch told Cavs they will likely sign the qualifying offer and sign with Lakers next summer so Cle might be motivated to trade him now since they can't do it without his permission after he signs the QO. Klutch got a max deal for Garland and apparently also had Cavs convinced they could sign Lebron next summer before he signed the extension with Lakers lol. Cavs decision maker is currently in Africa so it might take a few weeks to play out with Sexton.
I'm just a nobody out here in Vegas but get a good nugget every once in a while when my friend hits town and starts talking..Maybe it happens maybe not but I feel safe in saying talks definitely occurred. At least it's something y'all can discuss...I'm definitely not the type to post regular on a sports board. Just a messenger posting what I was told so please don't jump on me Spurs fans!

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/wzy2pk/spurs_have_engaged_cavs/

Interesting discussion about gauging the interest, Sexton's value, potential, fit with team and ability to bounce back recovery. Kind of like the Zollins situation, trusting he would recover. Sexton is a RFA so the trade would clear match obstacles as well as Spurs don't have an additional roster spot. Interesting angles on Chips departure and what that would mean for Sexton's need for shot repair. I've seen the discussion before on ST, seems like consensus is Sexton isn't really a good fit or good bet for success (inefficient player) so surely that factors in. Spurs might find their position makes Sexton a worthy gamble anyway. Just bored pre camp and running this old one again lol

Would be hilarious to see the Spurs get the wrong Collin(s) yet again lol /bluefont

I didn’t click the reddit links but this is a joke.

[The Truth #6]

https://youtu.be/b8kk5RwN-8A

A ten-minute highlight reel of Beverly and Westbrook trying to injure each other over the years. This was made two years ago. Should be a great, harmonious relationship next year.

[heyheymymy]

I didn’t click the reddit links but this is a joke.

haha yeah I agree. "my friend" TSpence oh well offseason shit post carry on

[TD 21]

Who knows obviously, but it's possible the Spurs' supposed stance on Sexton may have shifted given that 1) His market value is probably even less than initially thought and 2) The odds of helping to facilitate a blockbuster have all but vanished.



Not true. He hated Kawhi resting. LBJ doesn’t rest. Russ does not rest. If those guys are healthy they are pkaying 40 mins if need be.

AD, well maybe you have an argument. AD has something to prove this year.

It's actually the opposite with Davis. He routinely returns to games he leaves with injury and plays gimpy.

[KingKev]

Who knows obviously, but it's possible the Spurs' supposed stance on Sexton may have shifted given that 1) His market value is probably even less than initially thought and 2) The odds of helping to facilitate a blockbuster have all but vanished.


It's actually the opposite with Davis. He routinely returns to games he leaves with injury and plays gimpy.

Continuously gets injured and never build his body. Clearly makes no attempt to to build his body.

Admits to not shooting a single jump shot for 3 months with day-to-day injuries.

Is this where I insert the lmao emoji?!?

[TD 21]

^ :lmao That's irrelevant to what you were talking about.

The point is, he's no Scumbag, who's always looking for every excuse under the sun to sit out.

[KingKev]

^ :lmao That's irrelevant to what you were talking about.

The point is, he's no Scumbag, who's always looking for every excuse under the sun to sit out.

I’d rather be a scumbag than a fking clown :lmao

[KingKev]

I’d rather be a scumbag than a fking clown :lmao

Yeah I said it

[heyheymymy]

Yeah I agree, the Sexton situation has changed a bit from when it was reported that Spurs asked about him earlier. The market has shifted and the Spurs may have circled back.

It actually has all the hallmarks of a traditional realistic Spurs move. Still pretty dubious "my friend" source but the points are valid.

[KingKev]

Yeah I agree, the Sexton situation has changed a bit from when it was reported that Spurs asked about him earlier. The market has shifted and the Spurs may have circled back.

It actually has all the hallmarks of a traditional realistic Spurs move. Still pretty dubious "my friend" source but the points are valid.

He has 40mm 3 yrs on the table with Cleveland and won’t sign it… He is also an RFA. Put this together Spurstalk. That clown in the reddit thread is dumber than most here and that says alot.

[TD 21]

He has 40mm 3 yrs on the table with Cleveland and won’t sign it… He is also an RFA. Put this together Spurstalk. That clown in the reddit thread is dumber than most here and that says alot.

1) The protracted negotiations have probably done irreparable damage to the relationship, making it more so about principle at this point.

2) He's probably not pleased with the greatly reduced role he'd be slated to play.

3) He'd probably prefer to "bet on" himself with a shorter contract and on a team where he'd have a more central role.

4) :lmao Not comprehending that the previous post wasn't about you.

[KingKev]

1) The protracted negotiations have probably done irreparable damage to the relationship, making it more so about principle at this point.

2) He's probably not pleased with the greatly reduced role he'd be slated to play.

3) He'd probably prefer to "bet on" himself with a shorter contract and on a team where he'd have a more central role.

4) :lmao Not comprehending that the previous post wasn't about you.

Money talks, especially to a man coming off a serious injury. It’s that damn simple. You know who else talk too much? MUPPPETS… they look like this :lmao

Sesame Street Ass

[TD 21]

Money talks, especially to a man coming off a serious injury. It’s that damn simple. You know who else talk too much? MUPPPETS… they look like this :lmao

Sesame Street Ass

The idea would be to take (slightly) less short term to set himself up to make more long term.

No one is suggesting this will or is likely to happen, but it's not far fetched.

[heyheymymy]

If money talks then the Spurs can offer more :) just sayin. But yeah, 40mm is a hell of a lot to bet on yourself lol esp coming off the injury.

[heyheymymy]

And RFA only matters if CLE would match. Spurs may be testing a strained relationship and worst case scenario CLE matches?

[KingKev]

If money talks then the Spurs can offer more :) just sayin. But yeah, 40mm is a hell of a lot to bet on yourself lol esp coming off the injury.

Your link to that thread says Spurs want to send out contracts AND sign him to a cheaper rate.

They aren’t getting him cheaper. They might be able to sign him for more and get off someone like JRich or maybe McDermott plus a few SRPs.

[heyheymymy]

And the rumor is a trade with CLE so RFA may be moot here anyway at least for one potential path. It's interesting that the 13.3 matches JRs salary so closely if Sexton does the 40/3. Again not necessarily pro-Sexton or anything but if Spurs see value and can pull off a savvy snag I like it. I could be missing something here just thinking out loud

[KingKev]

And the rumor is a trade with CLE so RFA may be moot here anyway at least for one potential path. It's interesting that the 13.3 matches JRs salary so closely if Sexton does the 40/3. Again not necessarily pro-Sexton or anything but if Spurs see value and can pull off a savvy snag I like it. I could be missing something here just thinking out loud

That is a silly trade for Cleveland. Might as well retain Sexton at that level. Likewise PATFO are assuredly confident they can develop one of Wesley, Branham, Primo into a similar player.

[heyheymymy]

Good call. Plus outbound contracts would do nothing to help trim down the huge cap space Spurs have yet without other trades Spurs wouldn't have the roster slot to add him outright. Not sure how it would all shake out. CLE would have to be afraid he was malcontent or if he takes the 7.2 and bails to LAL afterwards maybe CLE would rather get something instead of him walking for nothing?

[KingKev]

Good call. Plus outbound contracts would do nothing to help trim down the huge cap space Spurs have yet without other trades Spurs wouldn't have the roster slot to add him outright. Not sure how it would all shake out. CLE would have to be afraid he was malcontent or if he takes the 7.2 and bails to LAL afterwards maybe CLE would rather get something instead of him walking for nothing?

I doubt they care if he walks for less/nothing. He has very little trade value; not because he isn’t a good player just the landscape of this years free agency. This has been happening more and more as most teams only have exception money and cap space is sparce which is why guys like Mo Bamba, Jalen Smith and probably Sexton are retained on value deals.

The last few years many players have been left holding their dicks come August. TD 21 knows all too well how that feels. Cuffing season around the corner bro.

[heyheymymy]

lol good info man appreciate the details it will be interesting to see but yeah no expectations or anything

[Seventyniner]

Your link to that thread says Spurs want to send out contracts AND sign him to a cheaper rate.

They aren’t getting him cheaper. They might be able to sign him for more and get off someone like JRich or maybe McDermott plus a few SRPs.

Richardson isn't someone the Spurs need to "get off"; he's expiring and is a net positive player. A contender might be willing to cough up a pick at the deadline and it's probably worth holding on to him to find out. It's also good to have a veteran amongst all the young players.

McDermott will probably cost assets to move. Other than the veteran part he's the opposite of Richardson: one more year on his contract and a is a net negative player. Maybe he could be a neutral player as a bench shooter on a contender, but that extra year on his contract is probably a deal-breaker for most teams. I don't think the Spurs attaching assets to get rid of his contract is a good move, they have plenty of cap space as it is.

[KingKev]

Richardson isn't someone the Spurs need to "get off"; he's expiring and is a net positive player. A contender might be willing to cough up a pick at the deadline and it's probably worth holding on to him to find out. It's also good to have a veteran amongst all the young players.

McDermott will probably cost assets to move. Other than the veteran part he's the opposite of Richardson: one more year on his contract and a is a net negative player. Maybe he could be a neutral player as a bench shooter on a contender, but that extra year on his contract is probably a deal-breaker for most teams. I don't think the Spurs attaching assets to get rid of his contract is a good move, they have plenty of cap space as it is.

Not sure whether you are agreeing with my argument that Sexton is NOT coming here on a discount. I agree JRich is a positive asset but he isn’t netting you Sexton on a discounted deal. He probably won’t get you an FRP either.

The “getting off” someone like JRich was in regards to making a move for Sexton who will cost you 15ish a year.

[Seventyniner]

Not sure whether you are agreeing with my argument that Sexton is NOT coming here on a discount. I agree JRich is a positive asset but he isn’t netting you Sexton on a discounted deal. He probably won’t get you an FRP either.

The “getting off” someone like JRich was in regards to making a move for Sexton who will cost you 15ish a year.

I agree about Sexton not coming to SA on a cheap deal. It sounded like you thought Richardson was a negative asset ("get off someone like JRich") but it appears you didn't mean what I thought you did. Cheers.

[KingKev]

I agree about Sexton not coming to SA on a cheap deal. It sounded like you thought Richardson was a negative asset ("get off someone like JRich") but it appears you didn't mean what I thought you did. Cheers.

I actually think JRich is a buyout candidate come mid-season.

I’ll go a step further on Sexton; even on a cheap deal there is probably zero interest. He is an undersized, score first, poor defending point guard who put numbers up on a terrible team.

Just give Wesley that shot.

[ismael-robert]

Danilo tore meniscus...long time spur goes down...dodged bullet lol

[KingKev]

Danilo tore meniscus...long time spur goes down...dodged bullet lol

He’s done.

[Dex]

He’s done.

Honestly, he was "done" before the torn meniscus...but this pretty much seals the cap on that

[TD 21]

The last few years many players have been left holding their dicks come August. TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) knows all too well how that feels. Cuffing season around the corner bro.

:lmao At having your life ruined because an anonymous poster on a message board critiqued some of your takes.

[Payote75]

Sexton is ascending I'd love for the Spurs to swoop in and grab him. I hate this whole tanking thing and so much negativity on this kid reminds me of all the negativity about Wiggins. Sexton so defense can improve slightly but we are starting to get solid defensive positions with some young dudes. I think sexton under pop even for one year would ,ean a ton this kid will shoot lights out as he gets another season or two under his belt. If this is doable I would take the risk.
Id be willing to bet the farm this kid turns into a star.

[Payote75]

It also annoys the crap out of me to miss out on s Ston or any good players to play for the tank. It's beyond annoying your playing and losing for a chance not set in stone a chance to get a certain player when you could have a top 8 player showing he is ascending and has shown success already. So annoying

[exstatic]

Sexton is ascending I'd love for the Spurs to swoop in and grab him. I hate this whole tanking thing and so much negativity on this kid reminds me of all the negativity about Wiggins. Sexton so defense can improve slightly but we are starting to get solid defensive positions with some young dudes. I think sexton under pop even for one year would ,ean a ton this kid will shoot lights out as he gets another season or two under his belt. If this is doable I would take the risk.
Id be willing to bet the farm this kid turns into a star.

Wiggins failed as a #1 option. He was brought to GS to be like the #4 option. He did well because no one paid attention to him. In addition, Wiggins has been a plus defender. Sexton wouldn’t be the #4 option, and he’s never been even a neutral defender.

[Seventyniner]

I actually think JRich is a buyout candidate come mid-season.

I’ll go a step further on Sexton; even on a cheap deal there is probably zero interest. He is an undersized, score first, poor defending point guard who put numbers up on a terrible team.

Just give Wesley that shot.

I sure hope Richardson isn't bought out, because that means the Spurs weren't able to get any assets for him in return. But I do agree that he's a candidate.

Zero interest in Sexton from you or PATFO? I don't think he makes sense for the team, but maybe PATFO is trying to play 5D chess by getting him on a cheap deal and then trading him for assets later?

[KingKev]

I sure hope Richardson isn't bought out, because that means the Spurs weren't able to get any assets for him in return. But I do agree that he's a candidate.

Zero interest in Sexton from you or PATFO? I don't think he makes sense for the team, but maybe PATFO is trying to play 5D chess by getting him on a cheap deal and then trading him for assets later?

In another time JRich would have been a solid peice to the puzzle but I see him being a professional and the Sours working to find him a solid home when they can’t get much for him in the trade market

on Sexton - both PATFO and myself. You are going to have to pay him 15+ and probably offer an FRP to acquire him from Cleveland via sign and trade. If you get him dirt cheap and outright that’s a different story but it won’t happen.

I’m pretty confident there is no interest on either side.

[Payote75]

Yea yea I know there are always excuses regardless Wiggins had talent the numbers suggested it as a number one or four. When he was a number one it was garbage points that didn't matter and he did play with KAT and also some other decent players have gone through Minnesota. Having said that when you have money and picks and young players and essentially you can get a very very good ascending young player at 24 yrs old without sacrificing anything but your tankathon you do it. Especially with how it's set up right now where It's so quiet. We will still be able to add pieces via the draft there is no guarantee we get the pick there is no guarantee Wemby is a franchise changer. We play this game as a small market team we may be flirting with upscale best franchise small market dynasty to the land of irrelevancy. Love or hate pop he brings cache' to this franchise once he goes if we do not get that pick and hit on this supreme being we are essentially spinning wheels. Injuries happen Sexton not going to add 10 wins to the current roster and if he did it probably means we found our next piece. Can anyone honestly tell me as die hards that you can watch a season already knowing it just means shit and what if it's multiple seasons of tanking. We have to watch out team lose basically for picks til they hit. This is disaster if that's the plan

[KingKev]

Haha stay classy Portland…

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1564356890582196225

[Joseph Kony]

training camp is in approx 4 weeks...if Spurs dont do anything in the first week of September i'd imagine this is the squad to start the season

[baseline bum]

training camp is in approx 4 weeks...if Spurs dont do anything in the first week of September i'd imagine this is the squad to start the season

:vomit:

No reason to still have Poetl when this team is tanking. Get a fucking first or something for him.

[Dejounte]

Yep… :lmao :lmao

[KingKev]

Knicks extending RJ Barrett, 4yrs/120mm.

Spurs would have offered him 4yrs 80mm I bet lol.

[exstatic]

Knicks extending RJ Barrett, 4yrs/120mm.

Spurs would have offered him 4yrs 80mm I bet lol.

They wouldn’t have offered him 80. His career VORP is -0.3. His career WS/48 is .046. He’s a 6’8” Lonnie, NBA junk food. Only an organization as dumb and disfunctional as the Knicks would pay this bum $30M/yr.

[Ariel]

Knicks extending RJ Barrett, 4yrs/120mm.

Spurs would have offered him 4yrs 80mm I bet lol.
"COULD be worth UP TO"... meaning that figure probably includes 10M+ in (uncertain) bonuses and the like.
Still that's a boatload of money, and he'll have to get to at least borderline allstar caliber for that contract not to become a burden down the road.

[KingKev]

"COULD be worth UP TO"... meaning that figure probably includes 10M+ in (uncertain) bonuses and the like.
Still that's a boatload of money, and he'll have to get to at least borderline allstar caliber for that contract not to become a burden down the road.

Variable incentives haven’t been released. 10m + would be sizeable variable comp.

I agree with exstatic that it’s an overpay.

[rjv]

the knicks just being the knicks

[Seventyniner]

iirc this is the first time the Knicks have signed one of their own first-round draft picks to a second contract since Charlie Ward. Insane if true, and a testament to how shitty the Knicks FO and ownership are.

[Chinook]

I think you can easily say Johnson is a better player than Barrett. If the Spurs had the choice of signing Johnson to his deal of RJ to his, it's not even close which one is the better value.

[exstatic]

iirc this is the first time the Knicks have signed one of their own first-round draft picks to a second contract since Charlie Ward. Insane if true, and a testament to how shitty the Knicks FO and ownership are.

They should have passed on this one, too. It’s amazing how some of these players continue to surf off their HS rankings like 4 -5 years later.

[TD 21]

Johnson has been better and is certainly better value, but to be fair, with Fournier replacing Bullock, Barrett had to defend top opposing wings and given the lack of a credible lead ball handler, had more of an on ball role while playing significantly more minutes.

[CGD]

So does this kill Mitchell to Knicks buzz? Read scuttlebut that he could be traded to Utah in a Mitchell package, but that the cap rules make it really hard.

[exstatic]

So does this kill Mitchell to Knicks buzz? Read scuttlebut that he could be traded to Utah in a Mitchell package, but that the cap rules make it really hard.

The consensus seems to be that an extension kills the Mitchell deal. Cap gets real squirrelly with extensions that are signed, but not yet active.

[offset formation]

They wouldn’t have offered him 80. His career VORP is -0.3. His career WS/48 is .046. He’s a 6’8” Lonnie, NBA junk food. Only an organization as dumb and disfunctional as the Knicks would pay this bum $30M/yr.

Knick nation went crazy at the notion he'd be included in a potential trade for Mitchell. So it's the fan base and front office as a whole.

I think he's got more to him than a taller version of LWIV, and he's clearly improved from his rookie year (which weigh down the WS48 numbers you cited above), but he most certainly is not worth $30M per. The Knicks deserve every bad thing that comes their way. Worst fans only behind Lakerfans.

[TD 21]

So does this kill Mitchell to Knicks buzz? Read scuttlebut that he could be traded to Utah in a Mitchell package, but that the cap rules make it really hard.

No. Despite conflicting reports of the Jazz' supposed interested, my guess is they'd prefer a package without him. He means far more to the Knicks, who picked him 3rd and have invested 3 years into developing him, than he would to a team starting a full scale re-build.



Knick nation went crazy at the notion he'd be included in a potential trade for Mitchell. So it's the fan base and front office as a whole.

I think he's got more to him than a taller version of LWIV, and he's clearly improved from his rookie year (which weigh down the WS48 numbers you cited above), but he most certainly is not worth $30M per. The Knicks deserve every bad thing that comes their way. Worst fans only behind Lakerfans.

Keep in mind, rookie extensions are about projecting ahead both in terms of the player and the cap.

"Only" $106M (or $26.5M on average) is guaranteed. With the expected rise in the salary cap factored in, that's expected to be about 18% of it.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1564964175599779842

[The Truth #6]

Yak and J Rich. I hope they have backup trade deals loosely in place, because it seems like the super trades have mostly fizzled, though I suppose Utah is still trying to move Mitchell. Also, GMs may all be on vacation at this time of the year. Anyway. Has anyone heard rumors?

[KingKev]

^ doubt it they get moved anytime soon.

- Jak: asking price is probably quite high. Personally I’d be very happy with a lightly protected first and an expiring in the name of the tank but it’s still not completely clear we are tanking versus rebuilding. Yak already communicated he will explore free agency but wants to be in SA. He is def inline for the typical “he’s a good boy/loyalty overpay” contract.

- JRich: not much of a market I suspect. Doubt anyone is offering a first currently unless it comes wuth a bad contract in return. If he gets solid minutes you can probably get his value to a first by the deadline because he is likely going to put up decent numbers on a very bad Spurs team. Or sit him and probably buy him out or hope for a Thad like deal.

[Kevin]

^ doubt it they get moved anytime soon.

- Jak: asking price is probably quite high. Personally I’d be very happy with a lightly protected first and an expiring in the name of the tank but it’s still not completely clear we are tanking versus rebuilding. Yak already communicated he will explore free agency but wants to be in SA. He is def inline for the typical “he’s a good boy/loyalty overpay” contract.

- JRich: not much of a market I suspect. Doubt anyone is offering a first currently unless it comes wuth a bad contract in return. If he gets solid minutes you can probably get his value to a first by the deadline because he is likely going to put up decent numbers on a very bad Spurs team. Or sit him and probably buy him out or hope for a Thad like deal.

JRich is a great candidate for a Thad Young type deal since the Spurs second round pick will be very high.

[TD 21]

- JRich: not much of a market I suspect. Doubt anyone is offering a first currently unless it comes wuth a bad contract in return. If he gets solid minutes you can probably get his value to a first by the deadline because he is likely going to put up decent numbers on a very bad Spurs team. Or sit him and probably buy him out or hope for a Thad like deal.

Richardson is going on 29 (his birthday is the most important day of the year) and healthy. The notion that his value is going to be determined by how much he plays and counting stats makes no sense. NBA executives aren't casual fans.

A Young type trade would be better than two 2nds or whatever.

[KingKev]

Richardson is going on 29 (his birthday is the most important day of the year) and healthy. The notion that his value is going to be determined by how much he plays and counting stats makes no sense. NBA executives aren't casual fans.

A Young type trade would be better than two 2nds or whatever.

If there was a first on the table they would have taken it by now. A Thad deal is probably the best outcome but at this point late first in 2023 or future draft capital aren’t much different. We have enough young players in the pipeline.

Also, the use of casual is common speak for 13yr olds on Bleacher Report and Advanced Anal(ytics) boys like yourself. I suspect you are both.

[TD 21]

If there was a first on the table they would have taken it by now.

Not debating that. I'm saying, he's a known commodity. With no concern of an age related decline or a significant injury recovery to speak of, there's no reason to think whatever his value is now won't be the same come the deadline no matter his role.

[KingKev]

Not debating that. I'm saying, he's a known commodity. With no concern of an age related decline or a significant injury recovery to speak of, there's no reason to think whatever his value is now won't be the same come the deadline no matter his role.

If he becomes the second best option for half a season it will increase his value ala Marcus Morris in NYC a few years ago.

[exstatic]

If there was a first on the table they would have taken it by now. A Thad deal is probably the best outcome but at this point late first in 2023 or future draft capital aren’t much different. We have enough young players in the pipeline.

Also, the use of casual is common speak for 13yr olds on Bleacher Report and Advanced Anal(ytics) boys like yourself. I suspect you are both.

The market for JRich doesn’t exist yet. He’s a 29YO good locker room presence who defends, shoots the 3ball well, and can create a bit. Once the contenders pull away from the pack in January, his market will manifest.

[Ariel]

"COULD be worth UP TO"... meaning that figure probably includes 10M+ in (uncertain) bonuses and the like.
https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1564723985459421185

RJ Barrett’s $107 million guaranteed

[The Truth #6]

Tangent: so if McB AND Josh R are still on the team, despite our willingness for them to disappear, it seems unlikely they won’t play, so unfortunately that will cut into playing time for the young kids. Honestly, this, not simply losing, but losing while not playing our youth, might be the most frustrating part of next year.

[Atl Spur]

Our fan base is super spoiled by past success…….

[tbdog]

Tangent: so if McB AND Josh R are still on the team, despite our willingness for them to disappear, it seems unlikely they won’t play, so unfortunately that will cut into playing time for the young kids. Honestly, this, not simply losing, but losing while not playing our youth, might be the most frustrating part of next year.

They shouldn't be cutting into any ready youth players. Primo/Vassall/Johnson/Sochan/Poeltl are the likely starters. Maybe Jones instead of Sochan might start, but I am doubtful on that. Jones/Branham/Johnson/Mcdermot/Smith would be the backup 5. I don't expect Pop will deploy a hockey on off substitution, either. Richardson likely gets moved by the trade deadline. Depending on where Wesley is in his development. And I am not sure where Longford fits in all this. Same as Bates-Diop. Also you need to consider who the Spurs get back for McDermott or Richardson. It just won't be picks. It will be salary, perhaps bad salary depending on picks. Perhaps a headcase, or underwhelming veteran, or something in between. Then you will be asking the same questions? Are they taking up minutes from the youth?

[KingKev]

https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1564723985459421185

Nice call.

[KingKev]

The market for JRich doesn’t exist yet. He’s a 29YO good locker room presence who defends, shoots the 3ball well, and can create a bit. Once the contenders pull away from the pack in January, his market will manifest.

Fair point, it’s easier to offer a first, especially if it is this draft years pick when you know you are playoff bound. I still think we are going to be disappointed.

[Chomag]

I agree that it would be best on both parties if they held out on trading Jrich until near trade deadline. It would give him a better chance to land on a true contending team and have a higher market value for a higher return forthe Spurs.

I love Jrich he is definitely a Spur kind of guy but in another universe where we are a contending team he would have been perfect to have him playout his career here.

[The Truth #6]

I hear people expecting Sochan to start. I hope so. It’s possible. But would be out of character for Pop. I’m expecting Pop to do what he normally does. It’s just as likely to be Roby or McDermott.

[KingKev]

I hear people expecting Sochan to start. I hope so. It’s possible. But would be out of character for Pop. I’m expecting Pop to do what he normally does. It’s just as likely to be Roby or McDermott.

CIA Poo gives us one last fuck you pissing off Sochan in his way out. I can see it.


*This was actually meant to read CIA Pop. Quite the typo.

[rogcl1]

[QUOTE=KingKev;10803737]CIA Poo gives us one last fuck you pissing off Sochan in his way out. I can see it.[/QUOTE

Maybe I am wrong but I have a feeling that Pop and Sochan will take to each other and get along just fine . If you lived in this area I would bet you a beer at a local pool hall.

[KingKev]

[QUOTE=KingKev;10803737]CIA Poo gives us one last fuck you pissing off Sochan in his way out. I can see it.[/QUOTE

Maybe I am wrong but I have a feeling that Pop and Sochan will take to each other and get along just fine . If you lived in this area I would bet you a beer at a local pool hall.

Doesn’t take much to get in Pop’s doghouse although his swan song is probably a toned down Pop; both good and bad. If he can coach well while seeing the bigger picture for this franchise that is great. If stubborn Pop comes out and tries to win meaningless games or benches guys for his puppeteer mastery it also won’t surprise me.

[rogcl1]

[QUOTE=rogcl1;10803756]

Doesn’t take much to get in Pop’s doghouse although his swan song is probably a toned down Pop; both good and bad. If he can coach well while seeing the bigger picture for this franchise that is great. If stubborn Pop comes out and tries to win meaningless games or benches guys for his puppeteer mastery it also won’t surprise me.

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong about Pop and Sochan, but I believe that Sochan has intangibles that Pop will take to. I'll eat crow if wrong.

[rjv]

donovan mitchell to the cavs, per woj.

[Robz4000]

Weird trade by Cleveland. Not sure how Mitchell and Garland can coexist on either end.

[Dex]

Utah officially part of the tankathon, fuck

[timtonymanu]

The Jazz went from the 1 seed to tanking in just a year.

[Payote75]

I think Cleveland look good but more importantly: that rebuild by utah took like 2 hours lol even taking on players we laugh at and getting back all these picks they are still better than us with a better shot or shots in the draft. This annoys me and I understand it's a lot easier to rebuild when your tearing apart a team with some high end player on it but my point is this is how it's done. I respect the balls on them.

Basically what a lot of us were saying when we had DD LA etc. and we just stayed in limbo world accompling nothing and now itay cost us. We had basically the same chance to do what Utah is doing not the same level but we would have been entirely different but instead we over valued and sat on middle of the pack. Never adding never taking away just in space. I hate utah and the only thing that could push me over the edge is if we help the Fakers and take Westbrook. Ughhhh

[rjv]

jazz still getting some value in sexton, markannen and ogbaji. they definitely made off well in this trade. their roster is still better than the spurs roster.

[Payote75]

But they can already field a better team and have more valuable picks than okc by far lol.

[Dverde]

The tank fan in me is envious of their Lauri Markkanen pickup. He would be a great tank commander.

[Payote75]

Spot on rjv

[Mugen]

Utah and OKC being fully part of the tank-a-thon sucks tbh :lol

[Mugen]

Does push the Hawks down the Eastern totem pole which is good news tbh.

[Jordan Jackson]

The Jazz went from the 1 seed to tanking in just a year.


Good for them. At least they had the brains to figure out they where going nowhere with that core. Paper tigers.

Now watch them out tank us ��

[Mugen]

Pretty amazing offseason by Ainge tbh.

[TD 21]

Weird trade by Cleveland. Not sure how Mitchell and Garland can coexist on either end.

Yeah, I still got to digest it but their wing situation is still in shambles. Garland is better/higher ceiling than Brunson though and unlike the Knicks, the Cavaliers at least have arguably the best defensive 4-5 combination in the league, but small guards and centers is an awkward core in '22.


I think Cleveland look good but more importantly: that rebuild by utah took like 2 hours lol even taking on players we laugh at and getting back all these picks they are still better than us with a better shot or shots in the draft. This annoys me and I understand it's a lot easier to rebuild when your tearing apart a team with some high end player on it but my point is this is how it's done. I respect the balls on them.

Basically what a lot of us were saying when we had DD LA etc. and we just stayed in limbo world accompling nothing and now itay cost us. We had basically the same chance to do what Utah is doing not the same level but we would have been entirely different but instead we over valued and sat on middle of the pack. Never adding never taking away just in space. I hate utah and the only thing that could push me over the edge is if we help the Fakers and take Westbrook. Ughhhh

In a sense, a small/non glamor market trading two top 20ish players signed long term takes some "balls", but in reality Mitchell wanted out (didn't force it because he knew he didn't have to and didn't want to be viewed as the bad guy) and the team had plateaued with no means to improve, so it was really a no brainer considering that and their market value.

Not saying the Spurs shouldn't have moved quicker on Aldridge and DeRozan, but they didn't have near the same value even if the former was a top 20ish player until '19.

[exstatic]

Anyone have the years on those picks and swaps? If they’re near term, the fact that they’re unprotected won’t mean spit. Cleveland is clearly a team on the rise, jumping from 22 wins to 44. They have two high end front court players aged 21 and 24, Garland, and now Spider. Mobley might be on an All NBA track. They could make some noise this year, and be contenders the year after.

[Mr. Body]

Ainge stockpiling unprotected and lightly protected picks. But other than near-gimme picks of Tatum and Brown, he's been mostly miss on his later picks, although Robert Williams and Grant Williams are starting to look good. He did manage to trade away the only two other players of any worth in Mathisse Thybulle and Desmond Bane.

[Mr. Body]

Anyone have the years on those picks and swaps? If they’re near term, the fact that they’re unprotected won’t mean spit. Cleveland is clearly a team on the rise, jumping from 22 wins to 44. They have two high end front court players aged 21 and 24, Garland, and now Spider. Mobley might be on an All NBA track. They could make some noise this year, and be contenders the year after.

Cleveland is going to be a solid to very good team for a long time, agree.

[rjv]

Anyone have the years on those picks and swaps? If they’re near term, the fact that they’re unprotected won’t mean spit. Cleveland is clearly a team on the rise, jumping from 22 wins to 44. They have two high end front court players aged 21 and 24, Garland, and now Spider. Mobley might be on an All NBA track. They could make some noise this year, and be contenders the year after.

2025, 2027 and 2029 with the option to swap in 26 and 28.

[John B]

Spurs need to play all rookies. At least I get to see the rookies either they play good and Win or Lose going against experienced teams. I’d be pretty disappointed if they play Poeltl, McD for what?

[exstatic]

Spurs need to play all rookies. At least I get to see the rookies either they play good and Win or Lose going against experienced teams. I’d be pretty disappointed if they play Poeltl, McD for what?

If Poeltl is here, he’s going to start. He’s not in the way of any draft picks, and he needs to be showcased.

[The Truth #6]

We just need to be in the bottom 4 if I remember the odds correctly. But that might take some motivated coaching to get there. Luckily our schedule is hard at the end.

[TD 21]

I still see the Cavaliers as most likely in the 6-9 range (Raptors, Hawks, Bulls) in the interim, but like the Hawks, they obviously now have a higher ceiling than before.

Still, I don't see them ultimately becoming championship contenders, probably more so a second tier team (Timberwolves East).



If Poeltl is here, he’s going to start. He’s not in the way of any draft picks, and he needs to be showcased.

Poeltl is a known commodity, entering his prime, not coming off of a significant (or any) injury. There's no reason to think his value changes between now and the trade deadline.

And before you say some contender or pseudo one could get desperate due to injury or whatever, sure, but weigh that against the risk of him suffering a significant injury.

[The Truth #6]

Hit the road Jak? Politely and with respect, of course.

[KingKev]

Money talks, especially to a man coming off a serious injury. It’s that damn simple. You know who else talk too much? MUPPPETS… they look like this :lmao

Sesame Street Ass


He has 40mm 3 yrs on the table with Cleveland and won’t sign it… He is also an RFA. Put this together Spurstalk. That clown in the reddit thread is dumber than most here and that says alot.


1) The protracted negotiations have probably done irreparable damage to the relationship, making it more so about principle at this point.

2) He's probably not pleased with the greatly reduced role he'd be slated to play.

3) He'd probably prefer to "bet on" himself with a shorter contract and on a team where he'd have a more central role.


The idea would be to take (slightly) less short term to set himself up to make more long term.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

You have your clown shoes on right now muppet?

Good thing you weren't his agent. 4yrs/72mm.

:lmao

[TD 21]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

You have your clown shoes on right now muppet?

Good thing you weren't his agent. 4yrs/72mm.

:lmao

:lmao At the lack of basic reading comprehension. I was right. The third comment was in reference to the Cavaliers' supposed offer. Of course he was going to take 4/$72M though.

Try harder.

[KingKev]

:lmao At the lack of basic reading comprehension. I was right. The third comment was in reference to the Cavaliers' supposed offer. Of course he was going to take 4/$72M though.

Try harder.

Nah you were just wrong… you are the real life Yellow M&M rolling on the floor laughing… clown shoes and all. You should update your avatar:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/6f/63/e76f634fc329d84b933b1b6a6d06d353.jpg

[TD 21]

Nah you were just wrong… you are the real life Yellow M&M rolling on the floor laughing… clown shoes and all. You should update your avatar:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e7/6f/63/e76f634fc329d84b933b1b6a6d06d353.jpg

:lmao At being this dense and determined to play got cha.

I was playing devil's advocate, even said it was unlikely just not the impossibility you were making it seem.

Slightly less meant something like a few million less per year for 2 or 2+1, not some odd $30M less, genius.

In the end, he leaves the Cavaliers and gets the central role he was doubtlessly seeking, like I said.

[KingKev]

Jazz still have some vets they can part out also. They will be back to relevancy in no time.

Not comparing DDR/LMA to Spida/Gobert but damn if PATFO had half a brain 4 years ago maybe we would be relevant soon also.

[K...]

spurs thinking about sexton...spurstalk says no veterans we don't want to be a treadmill team, utah otoh takes sexton and it's a total tank move? Isn't sexton vs spider a wash?

[KingKev]

spurs thinking about sexton...spurstalk says no veterans we don't want to be a treadmill team, utah otoh takes sexton and it's a total tank move? Isn't sexton vs spider a wash?

huh? Doubt Spurs were ever considering Sexton. That reddit thread claiming interest was posted by a nobody.

Sexton is hardly a vet and not established. Donovan is an AS.

[Dverde]

Not a huge Donovan Mitchell fan, but I think this move should bump them above Atlanta which should get The Spurs a better draft pick. East is going to be so competitive.

[KingKev]

Not a huge Donovan Mitchell fan, but I think this move should bump them above Atlanta which should get The Spurs a better draft pick. East is going to be so competitive.

We don’t have anything from Atlanta for 4 drafts: 2026 we have a pick swap. This isn’t really relevant.

[CGD]

Pretty amazing offseason by Ainge tbh.

Let’s see what we does with all the capital. The tearing down is the “easy” part.

The Fultz-Tatum swap is a case in point. At the time so many people were lauding Angie for getting the extra pick AND the guy they wanted all along in Tatum. But all that scuttlebut just turned into drafting Romeo Langford a year later at 14. Super meh. Might as well just draft Tatum at 1.

[Dex]

jazz still getting some value in sexton, markannen and ogbaji. they definitely made off well in this trade. their roster is still better than the spurs roster.


But they can already field a better team and have more valuable picks than okc by far lol.

They also had two All-Star/All-NBA caliber players to trade, whereas all we had was Dejounte Murray and a bunch of spare parts.

[talkspurs]

Wanted to see who would do this trade.
Spurs MCbuckets
LA send Westbrook 27 unprotected and 28 swap.

La only is giving up 1 pick and the swap but they still get to keep their 29 pick. They also get a 3 pt shooter they want and should get them under lux tax.

Spurs get another pick in 27 plus another shot at the top picks (would get best of LA bos and theirs) They also get rid of buckets.

[Ariel]

Danny Ainge doing Danny Ainge things. Short to mid term those picks look like nothing special, but long term (4+ years down the road) no one knows, and out of all those picks a couple are bound to pay off big. Plus they got a whole lot of players with trade value that they'll keep flipping and stockpiling assets. A lot like OKC, but I bet he'll use his picks more wisely than Presti did (great negotiating skills but overrated as a talent evaluator). Utah did the smart thing not wasting time, if the Spurs had pulled something like this people over here would have gone ballistic.

[Ariel]

I still see the Cavaliers as most likely in the 6-9 range (Raptors, Hawks, Bulls) in the interim, but like the Hawks, they obviously now have a higher ceiling than before.

Still, I don't see them ultimately becoming championship contenders, probably more so a second tier team (Timberwolves East).
Garland (22), Mitchell (25), Mobley (21), Jarret Allen (24), Okoro (21), plus Lavert & Kevin Love... that's a core they can count on long term (maybe they'll need to trade someone when Mobley's extension kicks in, a few years down the road). If they get a couple 3&D guys to go along they should be far ahead the Bulls & Hawks IMO, maybe Toronto as well, I don't see why they can't contend in a couple of years. I like what they've done.

[exstatic]

We just need to be in the bottom 4 if I remember the odds correctly. But that might take some motivated coaching to get there. Luckily our schedule is hard at the end.

Finishing in the bottom 4 only gives you slightly better than a coin flip at STAYING in the bottom 4.

[Ariel]

Finishing in the bottom 4 only gives you slightly better than a coin flip at STAYING in the bottom 4.
True, but it also gives you an edge even if you fall outside of the lottery, since the worst record can pick no lower than 5, while the 5th record can pick as low as 9. That's usually a pretty big difference, on top of the obvious lottery chances. Point being, piling up meaningless wins is not innocuous.

[exstatic]

True, but it also gives you an edge even if you fall outside of the lottery, since the worst record can pick no lower than 5, while the 5th record can pick as low as 9. That's usually a pretty big difference, on top of the obvious lottery chances. Point being, piling up meaningless wins is not innocuous.

You know what has to happen for #5 to pick at 9? The top 4 all have to drop out, making finishing there worthless that year. 4 teams that didn’t hard tank would make the top 4.

[FutureMan]

Utah is killing it IMO. People are talking about them tanking, which they can certainly choose to do with another trade or two, but at this point they are still not terrible and clearly better than at least the Spurs, OKC, IND, DET, HOU, WASH, & two of POR/SAC/ORL

With all those unprotected picks they might as well play it out.

[tbdog]

The Utah Jazz turned

Rudy Gobert Donovan Mitchell

Into

7 1sts

2 pick swaps

Collin Sexton

Lauri Markkanen

Ochai Agbaji

Walker Kessler

Jarred Vanderbilt

Malik Beasley

Leandro Bolmaro

Stanley Johnson

Talen Horton-Tucker

[heyheymymy]

CLE getting better might make it harder for CHA to make the playoffs thus jeopardizing the 23 FRP conveying to the Spurs.

[KingKev]

Wanted to see who would do this trade.
Spurs MCbuckets
LA send Westbrook 27 unprotected and 28 swap.

La only is giving up 1 pick and the swap but they still get to keep their 29 pick. They also get a 3 pt shooter they want and should get them under lux tax.

Spurs get another pick in 27 plus another shot at the top picks (would get best of LA bos and theirs) They also get rid of buckets.

No chance LA does this. They aren’t taking back a two year contract unless its a decent player. McDs final year greatly impacts there ability to sign a 3rd star in 2023.

[offset formation]

Lol, holy shit...just saw that fleecing the Jazz got from Cleveland. I almost feel bad for Mitchell. Dude got his nuts clipped before he even got there. He has zero chance to build that team with the draft ruined for the next half decade. And they have no draft picks left to trade for anyone else. WTF fool does that trade?

How the fuck do people get paid millions to be GMs and then do shit that even the most basic of fans knows is a gross overpay??

[Payote75]

They also had two All-Star/All-NBA caliber players to trade, whereas all we had was Dejounte Murray and a bunch of spare parts.

I mentioned that if you're u read carefully I was eluding to delaying and being on the fence and content with the years DD was here and LA was averaging pretty good damn numbers that would of put us on our way and we could have kept Murray and be cashing in those assets already plus we had other players that alla Richardson McDermott etc.

[Payote75]

Utah is killing it IMO. People are talking about them tanking, which they can certainly choose to do with another trade or two, but at this point they are still not terrible and clearly better than at least the Spurs, OKC, IND, DET, HOU, WASH, & two of POR/SAC/ORL

With all those unprotected picks they might as well play it out.

totally agree and while they traded 2 all stars we did trade one and we had a jump on our rebuild. So yes they have cleaned up and still can field a decent team. Many think Sexton is a waste but I believe he will develop into above average player to and all star. His shot will only get better and last I saw his perimeter defense was not awful but he can improve defense all around his shooting is already impressive and will only get better he will be another Ingram story at obviously different positions but he will score. Then you factor in those picks they own the drafts. Only bright spot is Knicks fans losing there minds.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

We don’t have anything from Atlanta for 4 drafts: 2026 we have a pick swap. This isn’t really relevant.

3 drafts - Spurs own 2025 unprotected - right after DJ's deal expires.

[R. DeMurre]

I like Mobley and Jarrett Allen a lot, but can anyone think of a team starting two 6'1" guards in the backcourt together that has won an NBA championship? The last team I can think of that comes close is the '89 Pistons, who featured a 6'1" Isiah Thomas and a 6'3" Joe Dumars... but Dumars was a defensive specialist, while Donovan Mitchell is a defensive liability. I feel like Cleveland is making the same mistake that Utah did, thinking their bigger defender(s) will be able to cover for Mitchell's lack of size and defensive chops at the SG position. Plus Isaac Okoro is now slated to be the starting SF at 6'5". That's an incredibly tiny trio to start at PG, SG, and SF. They'll be giving up a massive size disadvantage to every team they face.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I like Mobley and Jarrett Allen a lot, but can anyone think of a team starting two 6'1" guards in the backcourt together that has won an NBA championship? The last team I can think of that comes close is the '89 Pistons, who featured a 6'1" Isiah Thomas and a 6'3" Joe Dumars... but Dumars was a defensive specialist, while Donovan Mitchell is a defensive liability. I feel like Cleveland is making the same mistake that Utah did, thinking their bigger defender(s) will be able to cover for Mitchell's lack of size and defensive chops at the SG position. Plus Isaac Okoro is now slated to be the starting SF at 6'5". That's an incredibly tiny trio to start at PG, SG, and SF. They'll be giving up a massive size disadvantage to every team they face.

You're not wrong in that it's not ideal when it comes to championship contention, however, it's a step in the right direction. Every time you could get a top 15 player (or so) without losing any of your top 3 you do it and resolve the issues after that. Ideally for them they'd replace Okoro and LeVert with two true 3 and D wings and they might be short on assets to do it. Also, Mitchell can at least be passable defensively if he gave a little bit of effort, which he wasn't doing in Utah.

[KingKev]

3 drafts - Spurs own 2025 unprotected - right after DJ's deal expires.

I stand corrected. Cheers.

[The Truth #6]

Ainge has done his ruthless job; this part seems to fit him. It would be hilarious if they now fire him and find someone else to actually rebuild the team.

[KingKev]

Ainge has done his ruthless job; this part seems to fit him. It would be hilarious if they now fire him and find someone else to actually rebuild the team.

They aren’t done either:

- Clarkson probably gets you another first. Direct competition for us trying to move JRich
- Bogdanovic is an expiring 19mm contract coming off a solid season
- Conley two years left 47mm only 14mm guaranteed in year 2

Clarkson/Bogdanovich will net them two more FRPs easily.

[exstatic]

They aren’t done either:

- Clarkson probably gets you another first. Direct competition for us trying to move JRich
- Bogdanovic is an expiring 19mm contract coming off a solid season
- Conley two years left 47mm only 14mm guaranteed in year 2

Clarkson/Bogdanovich will net them two more FRPs easily.

Yeah, except JRich actually plays defense, and passes once in a while. :lol

[KingKev]

Yeah, except JRich actually plays defense, and passes once in a while. :lol

I agree I’d rather JRich but you can’t sit here and tell me he doesn’t have value around the league same way Lou Will and Crawford did before him.

[The Truth #6]

Damn. I forgot how many assets they have. Yeah, they can go in a lot of directions. Ainge isn’t likely done trying yet, but other trades might be down the road.

[KingKev]

Cleveland’s turn around is quite impressive. I don’t love that they went all in on Mitchell as I think they should have trusted their process a little more but this could certainly pay off and neither Sexton nor Lauri were long term pieces to the puzzle.

Boggles my mind how anyone can stand behind the view PATFO is still a top tier front office these days. There are so many astute GMs out there these days who are better.

[exstatic]

I agree I’d rather JRich but you can’t sit here and tell me he doesn’t have value around the league same way Lou Will and Crawford did before him.

Oh, I know. I just don’t think they’re competing against each other for trade spots. A loose Spurs based analogy would be Clarkson as Patty, and JRich as DVerde.

[exstatic]

Cleveland’s turn around is quite impressive. I don’t love that they went all in on Mitchell as I think they should have trusted their process a little more but this could certainly pay off and neither Sexton nor Lauri were long term pieces to the puzzle.

Boggles my mind how anyone can stand behind the view PATFO is still a top tier front office these days. There are so many astute GMs out there these days who are better.

What Utah had to trade was better: a multi time All Star and a multi time All NBA player. You get more for that than a one time injury replacement All Star.

[rjv]

murray isn't close to being what mitchell is as a player. posters who are equating mitchell to murray are just being sloppy or disingenuous.

[Payote75]

Cleveland core 4 is all what under 25. They have done an excellent job. People don't want to wait 15 years to win. Philly and there process of being or thinking they are the smartest team has gotten them nothing. During that process what's left Embid??? I know Maxey is a ascending but he wasn't part of that process. They have bombed on players what saves them is spending money and still they win nothing. The spurs won't be afforded that same luxury if we don't hit on players in this market I've said it over and over they will go off into irrelevantcy or have to move. They must hit on players and pay them if they do. Hopefully draw a free agent but once pop is gone love him or hate him that last draw and mystique goes with him making it even harder to get someone to sign. Their task is daunting to say the least.

[KingKev]

Cleveland core 4 is all what under 25. They have done an excellent job. People don't want to wait 15 years to win. Philly and there process of being or thinking they are the smartest team has gotten them nothing. During that process what's left Embid??? I know Maxey is a ascending but he wasn't part of that process. They have bombed on players what saves them is spending money and still they win nothing. The spurs won't be afforded that same luxury if we don't hit on players in this market I've said it over and over they will go off into irrelevantcy or have to move. They must hit on players and pay them if they do. Hopefully draw a free agent but once pop is gone love him or hate him that last draw and mystique goes with him making it even harder to get someone to sign. Their task is daunting to say the least.

Pop isn’t a draw for players who are established. He is a deterrent.

Once Pop retires, we finally bottom out which means a chance at real talent is possible via the lottery. They probably still fk up those first few top picks by choosing character over talent but eventually years of being one of the worst teams in the NBA with little to show for it the new PATFO will increasingly be held accountable by fans and ownership and a culture shift and true rebuild will begin.

[JPB]

Cleveland core 4 is all what under 25. They have done an excellent job. People don't want to wait 15 years to win. Philly and there process of being or thinking they are the smartest team has gotten them nothing. During that process what's left Embid??? I know Maxey is a ascending but he wasn't part of that process. They have bombed on players what saves them is spending money and still they win nothing. The spurs won't be afforded that same luxury if we don't hit on players in this market I've said it over and over they will go off into irrelevantcy or have to move. They must hit on players and pay them if they do. Hopefully draw a free agent but once pop is gone love him or hate him that last draw and mystique goes with him making it even harder to get someone to sign. Their task is daunting to say the least.

Get Victor next year and you'll be soon relevant again.

[The Truth #6]

I think their problem was how they handled moving on from Leonard, what a shit show, but I don’t see any huge problems right now with what Brian Wright is doing, as far as I can tell.

[Payote75]

Pop isn’t a draw for players who are established. He is a deterrent.

Once Pop retires, we finally bottom out which means a chance at real talent is possible via the lottery. They probably still fk up those first few top picks by choosing character over talent but eventually years of being one of the worst teams in the NBA with little to show for it the new PATFO will increasingly be held accountable by fans and ownership and a culture shift and true rebuild will begin.

Completely Disagree

[Payote75]

Get Victor next year and you'll be soon relevant again.

All we can do is hope while we watch helplessly.

[TD 21]

Garland (22), Mitchell (25), Mobley (21), Jarret Allen (24), Okoro (21), plus Lavert & Kevin Love... that's a core they can count on long term (maybe they'll need to trade someone when Mobley's extension kicks in, a few years down the road). If they get a couple 3&D guys to go along they should be far ahead the Bulls & Hawks IMO, maybe Toronto as well, I don't see why they can't contend in a couple of years. I like what they've done.

In today's NBA, you can't count on virtually anything long term. It's a good amount of talent, but unless Mobley can become it (and even if he is, it's doubtful he'll be a 1st option on a contender), they lack a superstar, have questionable 4-5 spacing, no 3 and D wings and are reliant on two small guards.

Of course they could separate from that mid tier, but I don't see a championship formula.



Ainge has done his ruthless job; this part seems to fit him. It would be hilarious if they now fire him and find someone else to actually rebuild the team.

Despite the agenda driven media predictably gushing and playing their usual narrative/mythologizing game, Ainge did the logical thing and had immense leverage. The job mostly comes down to a combination of luck and not shooting yourself in the foot.

One thing I will give the Cavaliers credit for, was signing Markkanen. They didn't care about fit defensively and instead focused on a rare case of a decent young asset available essentially for free and one year later parlayed him into part of a blockbuster trade.

This is why signing someone like him always makes more sense than signing someone like McDermott.