Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should go 0-82 bext season to land wembanyama

it's between Spurs and Pacers right now. I hope nobody else joins the race

[Ocotillo]

Wasn't Minnesota one of the teams reportedly interested in Dejounte? WTH were they offering for him?

[tbdog]

I mean, I don't think they made a good deal, but if you believe Rudy was a victim of Utah's defensive scheme, then yeah, he's multiple tiers above Murray. I think both ATL and Minny took risks.

Has there been a worse player than Murray that has gotten more than 3 first in a trade. Let alone 2 unprotected

[AFBlue]

Wasn't Minnesota one of the teams reportedly interested in Dejounte? WTH were they offering for him?

Apparently less than three firsts with two unprotected.

[Silverheart80]

I'll breathe easier when Ayton is confirmed elsewhere. I don't trust PATFO to not pull some BS all of a sudden with that huge amount of cap space.

Same. Fingers crossed.

Want draft capital — preferably at least one unprotected 2023 pick if we’re facilitating another team’s le hopes.

Way too early to call, but who do we think are the leading contenders for worst record right now, besides the Spurs?

[ace3g]

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Free agent center Luke Kornet has agreed to a two-year deal to return to the Boston Celtics, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[RC_Drunkford]

Same. Fingers crossed.

Want draft capital — preferably at least one unprotected 2023 pick if we’re facilitating another team’s le hopes.

Way too early to call, but who do we think are the leading contenders for worst record right now, besides the Spurs?

Pacers

[Chinook]

Has there been a worse player than Murray that has gotten more than 3 first in a trade. Let alone 2 unprotected

It's not easy to think of one. I mean in a way, Dieng got three firsts. But real firsts, unprotected and with a swap tossed in? I don't know.

[Chinook]

Dragic and Harris were both traded for two firsts (including the same unprotected 2021 first from Miami). Kristaps also got two protected picks. Holiday did get three picks including two unprotected, but the Pelicans pissed one away on Adams

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it's between Spurs and Pacers right now. I hope nobody else joins the race

Nets might have a thing to say when it's all said and done.

[Ignazzz]

Nets might have a thing to say when it's all said and done.
No. They are out of future picks. Rebuilding is NOT a option.

[jjspur]

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Utah wanted to get rid of Gobert really bad.

[spurraider21]

No. They are out of future picks. Rebuilding is NOT a option.
i mean... KD could net them a lot of those future picks back

but they also just traded a first for royce oneal so there's that

[murpjf88]

Spurs should go 0-82 bext season to land wembanyama
I don't think you understand how a draft lottery works.

[lmbebo]

So why do the Nets trade for Royce Oneal for a 1st with all this headache going on?

[exstatic]

Spurs
are
getting
picks
only
with
bad
contracts

Don’t expect any signing until, most likely, KD’s deal which FO’s probably hoping to get 2-3 FRP’s.

I’m on the same boat. I’m waiting for Jalen Smith, but FO cannot risk losing cap space until KD, or Kyrie or one of the big deals, are done.

Exactly.

Players go out, picks come back. Players come in, picks come with them. We’re not buying, unless it’s a young FA on our timeline. No pick assets go out. None.

[exstatic]

So why do the Nets trade for Royce Oneal for a 1st with all this headache going on?

Maybe Utah needed a bit more cap room beyond Rudy’s contract. Maybe PHO wants them to take Saric, too.

[spurraider21]

so potential deals where the spurs can get involved re: renting out cap space...

durant, kyrie, ayton, westbrook. anything else?

[Ariel]

I think the next move is Donovan Mitchell to NY... expect no less than 7 picks to go out (NYs own 2023 + 2025 + 2027 + 2029 + 2023 from Dallas, Washington & Detroit)

[rjv]

I think the next move is Donovan Mitchell to NY... expect no less than 7 picks to go out (NYs own 2023 + 2025 + 2027 + 2029 + 2023 from Dallas, Washington & Detroit)


woj is reporting that the jazz tend to build around mitchell and aren't shopping him at the moment.

[John B]

woj is reporting that the jazz tend to build around mitchell and aren't shopping him at the moment.

Then Jazz needs a center? :lol

[Ariel]

woj is reporting that the jazz tend to build around mitchell and aren't shopping him at the moment.
Of course, rest assured a Danny Ainge lead team won't say anything else even if they intend to trade him. Given the public bad vibes with Donovan Mitchell in Utah, and in light of the FA frenzy, someone is going to throw a sh!tload of picks his way, and Danny is going to squeeze up to the last drop of blood in them. I bet it's NY and they go for it.

[tonight...you]

I think the next move is Donovan Mitchell to NY... expect no less than 7 picks to go out (NYs own 2023 + 2025 + 2027 + 2029 + 2023 from Dallas, Washington & Detroit)
I think they got rid of Gobert so that they can build around Mitchell.
I don't think they are tanking.

[Ariel]

I think they got rid of Gobert so that they can build around Mitchell.
I don't think they are tanking.
It's not just Gobert, there have been multiple reports that Donovan Mitchell wants out of UTAH. They're not going to dump him, but if a crazy offer comes along, they'll take it.

[exstatic]

Of course, rest assured a Danny Ainge lead team won't say anything else even if they intend to trade him. Given the public bad vibes with Donovan Mitchell in Utah, and in light of the FA frenzy, someone is going to throw a sh!tload of picks his way, and Danny is going to squeeze up to the last drop of blood in them. I bet it's NY and they go for it.

You are free to have your theory, but it’s more specific than just building around Mitchell. They’re pursuing Ayton.

[Ariel]

You are free to have your theory, but it’s more specific than just building around Mitchell. They’re pursuing Ayton.
Free replacement, makes sense. We'll see how it plays out with Mitchell, though.

[exstatic]

It's not just Gobert, there have been multiple reports that Donovan Mitchell wants out of UTAH. They're not going to dump him, but if a crazy offer comes along, they'll take it.

There have been multiple MORE RECENT reports that they’re pursuing Ayton.

[rjv]

in woj i trust

[Dejounte]

Warriors will repeat tbh

[John B]

Whatever, somebody still going to need Poeltl :lol

[Dverde]

Collin Sexton has been offered a deal from the Dallas Mavericks in the range of $21M-$22M annually, sources say.

[mystargtr34]

I think Utah is keeping its options open regarding building around Donovan or blowing it up and trading him. As of now I rekon they’re looking at multiple deals to surround Mitchell and try to win (Ayton S&T, Collins trade with their potential TE they’d get if the trade Bogdanovic for Ayton, 3-D wings via trade with one or two of their picks).

Ainge knows what he’s doing. If he can’t get the deal he wants to surround Mitchell with the right talent to win, then he’ll blow it up and trade Mitchell for a haul of picks. He won’t settle for being a treadmill play in team with just Michell + garbage like the Spurs did with Derozan and Dejounte for the last 4 years

[RC_Drunkford]

Report just came out that the Jazz are keeping their options open and might still trade Mitchell. Spurs fans better hope they don’t or we got a team that‘s gonna outtank us

[exstatic]

I think Utah is keeping its options open regarding building around Donovan or blowing it up and trading him. As of now I rekon they’re looking at multiple deals to surround Mitchell and try to win (Ayton S&T, Collins trade with their potential TE they’d get if the trade Bogdanovic for Ayton, 3-D wings via trade with one or two of their picks).

Ainge knows what he’s doing. If he can’t get the deal he wants to surround Mitchell with the right talent to win, then he’ll blow it up and trade Mitchell for a haul of picks. He won’t settle for being a treadmill play in team with just Michell + garbage like the Spurs did with Derozan and Dejounte for the last 4 years

Ainge is overrated. He had an absolute HAUL of pick from fleecing the Nets, and never even got a Finals appearance out of all that.

[cd98]

Report just came out that the Jazz are keeping their options open and might still trade Mitchell. Spurs fans better hope they don’t or we got a team that‘s gonna outtank us

Well, I think the bottom three teams with the worst record have the same percentage chance of winning the lottery pick 1st pick. So even if we win more games, if we have a bottom 3 record, we will still have the same odds.

[Ariel]

Report just came out that the Jazz are keeping their options open and might still trade Mitchell. Spurs fans better hope they don’t or we got a team that‘s gonna outtank us
Yup, that's my concern, one more competitor. The worst 3 teams have the exact same odds in the lottery (1 through 4) though, the difference is that the lowest pick you can get is your position (worst to best) + 4, so the worst record picks no worse than 5, the 2nd no worse than 6th, and so on. As long as we end up in the bottom 3, we get the same chances at Wembanyama, Scoot Henderson & co. in the top 4... that's the key. But I fear that Pop's pride might cost us a few games here and there that will keep us outside the bottom 3.

[Ariel]

Ainge is overrated. He had an absolute HAUL of pick from fleecing the Nets, and never even got a Finals appearance out of all that.
Sure he did. It happened in 2022, remember? He's the reason they have their current core, including their management.

[mystargtr34]

Right now. The teams with the best odds of finishing bottom 6 records imo. Think there’s a step change after these 6.

Pacers
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Magic
Pistons

Wildcards
Nets
Jazz

[scott]

Outside of the tall frenchie, all the other top prospects next year are guards, which is gonna make the head exploding extra special around these parts come draft time.

[Robz4000]

Sure he did. It happened in 2022, remember? He's the reason they have their current core, including their management.

They don't get there without the moves Stevens did since taking over tbh.

[lmbebo]

Collin Sexton has been offered a deal from the Dallas Mavericks in the range of $21M-$22M annually, sources say.


Small back court with Dinwiddie ?

[tonight...you]

It's not just Gobert, there have been multiple reports that Donovan Mitchell wants out of UTAH. They're not going to dump him, but if a crazy offer comes along, they'll take it.
May be.
I don't pretend to be All-Knowing and these are crazy times.

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No. They are out of future picks. Rebuilding is NOT a option.

Thanks for underscoring my point, chief. If Kyrie and Kd bail and all they get back are picks, then they're gonna suck balls almost as bad as we will.

[Degoat]

I could be over trusting Wright and the spurs brass but I don’t think they tank unless they felt really good about the top 5 prospects in the upcoming 23 class

[Leetonidas]

I could be over trusting Wright and the spurs brass but I don’t think they tank unless they felt really good about the top 5 prospects in the upcoming 23 class

Teams that are serious about winning dont trade their best player for future 1sts though

[rjv]

Right now. The teams with the best odds of finishing bottom 6 records imo. Think there’s a step change after these 6.

Pacers
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Magic
Pistons

Wildcards
Nets
Jazz

as currently constructed, OKC will be better than the spurs and perhaps even the pistons. the rest depends on how the rest of FA plays out and injuries.

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Right now. The teams with the best odds of finishing bottom 6 records imo. Think there’s a step change after these 6.

Pacers
Thunder
Rockets
Spurs
Magic
Pistons

Wildcards
Nets
Jazz

Magic, Thunder, and Pistons should be better than us. Will come down to Pacers, Nets, Rockets, and us, major injuries to major players notwithstanding. Jazz could be horrible if they trade Spider-Man. Not sure he's gonna want to stay.

[tbdog]

It's not easy to think of one. I mean in a way, Dieng got three firsts. But real firsts, unprotected and with a swap tossed in? I don't know.

Just thinking, Jrue first trade back in the sixers to Pelicans days. But Jrue was younger and probably better. That's all I can think of that is comparable to Murray. I can't think of anyone that's worse than Murray that got 3 firsts. For those who wanted more. Put that in perspective.

[tbdog]

I'm still stunned spurs haven't picked up hartenstein. He is young, center for our future. Replacement for Poeltl upon his likely trade.

[spurraider21]

Ainge is overrated. He had an absolute HAUL of pick from fleecing the Nets, and never even got a Finals appearance out of all that.
his track record is good imo. go back to pulling off the big 3 to begin with.

as for the nets trade, boston traded away their entire core, missed the playoffs for 1 year, and has been there every year since. look at boston's core right now. he handpicked everyone there. jaylen brown, jayson tatum, marcus smart. he brought in al horford to begin with a few years ago too (he was subsequently brought back).

he also timed the isaiah thomas trade perfectly as well right before he fell off a cliff. a lot of people on this forum were shitting on him at the time for that

[spurraider21]

I'm still stunned spurs haven't picked up hartenstein. He is young, center for our future. Replacement for Poeltl upon his likely trade.
knicks got him

[tbdog]

his track record is good imo. go back to pulling off the big 3 to begin with.

as for the nets trade, boston traded away their entire core, missed the playoffs for 1 year, and has been there every year since. look at boston's core right now. he handpicked everyone there. jaylen brown, jayson tatum, marcus smart. he brought in al horford to begin with a few years ago too (he was subsequently brought back).

he also timed the isaiah thomas trade perfectly as well right before he fell off a cliff. a lot of people on this forum were shitting on him at the time for that

Ainge mistake was not trading Brown for Leonard. They have a title. The superstar was available and he didn't use his assets.

[ace3g]

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[CGD]

Collin Sexton has been offered a deal from the Dallas Mavericks in the range of $21M-$22M annually, sources say.


Wonder how they’re gonna create the space? I thought the whole point was that they didn’t have other means to improve once Brunson left.

[spurraider21]

Ainge mistake was not trading Brown for Leonard. They have a title. The superstar was available and he didn't use his assets.
yeah i guess you could say they'd have been title favorites in 2019 if they traded for kawhi. but then kawhi left after 1 year to go to LA, and i imagine he would have done that anyway, leaving them with the team they have now but without brown and some other assets too

[ace3g]

Jalen gone...

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Free agent center Jalen Smith has agreed to a two-year deal to return to the Indiana Pacers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[lefty20]

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[BatManu20]

Good. Now trade Poeltl and tank your asses off.

[Mugen]

Jalen would have been a nice pickup. Can't blame him if the Spurs were sitting around waiting for the KD dominoes to fall.

[Ocotillo]

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Jalen gone...

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Free agent center Jalen Smith has agreed to a two-year deal to return to the Indiana Pacers, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[mystargtr34]

That Sexton deal must be a S&T as the Mavs are way over the cap and they don't have any big TE's.

[scott]

I'm still stunned spurs haven't picked up hartenstein. He is young, center for our future. Replacement for Poeltl upon his likely trade.

Signed with Knicks

[spurraider21]

That Sexton deal must be a S&T as the Mavs are way over the cap and they don't have any big TE's.
we can bring back bertans :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

exstatic in shambles. If only the Spurs had offered 11 million per year to beat all the offers from the teams that were offering him the MLE :lol

[Dex]

Is Tony Parker still available?

[CGD]

we can bring back bertans :lol

I mean Bert is 16M or so. Wouldn’t that create a TPE in the zone of what it would take for them to get Sexton?

[NASpurs]

Is Tony Parker still available?

Can he play center?

[timtonymanu]

Spurs are really gonna have the worst team this season lol.

[tonight...you]

Can he play center?
Tony Porker got that low center of gravity, yo.

[Mr. Body]

The likelihood of Poeltl not being traded seems pretty high now.

Jalen Smith was looking like a good, cheap prospect. His defensive numbers weren't great, but this would be the time to try him out.

[mystargtr34]

we can bring back bertans :lol

I'd facilitate that for the Mavs 2025 unprotected FRP :smokin by that time Doncic should have asked out when his best teammate is still Dorian Finney Smith

[cjw]

I mean Bert is 16M or so. Wouldn’t that create a TPE in the zone of what it would take for them to get Sexton?

Only if Sexton makes the same as or less than Bertans (if a trade exception)

Probably will be a three way of some type, with Sexton included as a sign and trade

These moves get announced but aren’t official yet, as teams are calling the likes of the Spurs to get help facilitating.

[tbdog]

yeah i guess you could say they'd have been title favorites in 2019 if they traded for kawhi. but then kawhi left after 1 year to go to LA, and i imagine he would have done that anyway, leaving them with the team they have now but without brown and some other assets too

I don't think Toronto cares.

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Spurs are really gonna have the worst team this season lol.

I'm telling you watch out for the Jazz. I've got a suspicion Spida-man is gone. They'll suck something awful.

[DAF86]

Who has more value: a fringe-All Star guard or a HoF center in his prime? The world may never know the answer to this question...

I'm a little drunk so I'm not at my full capacity, but how is Gobbert a HoF?

Also, Duncan is a top 5/7 player of all-time, but his 2015 version isn't more valuable than today's Murray.

[spurraider21]

so we added landale into the murray deal to expedite it to clear up cap space asap... we didnt actively pursue jalen smith to preserve as much cap space as possible

we better make really good use of all this space

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I'd facilitate that for the Mavs 2025 unprotected FRP :smokin by that time Doncic should have asked out when his best teammate is still Dorian Finney Smith

It's truly laughable what they've put around Luka. I almost feel sorry for him

[mystargtr34]

I don't think Toronto cares.

Yeah that's it. That sweet championship scent is strong for about 5 years after, and lingers forever :)

[mo7888]

I'm a little drunk so I'm not at my full capacity, but how is Gobbert a HoF?

Also, Duncan is a top 5/7 player of all-time, but his 2015 version isn't more valuable than today's Murray.

A little drunk?

[mo7888]

I'm a little drunk so I'm not at my full capacity, but how is Gobbert a HoF?

Also, Duncan is a top 5/7 player of all-time, but his 2015 version isn't more valuable than today's Murray.

A little drunk?

[RC_Drunkford]

damn he had so many suitors. Why didn't we offer him 11 million per year? :lol

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[spurraider21]

spurs valued cap space so much that they couldnt beat indiana's offer of *checks notes* 4.8 million per year

[Robz4000]

:lol RC and Wright have been passed out drunk since FA began

[Degoat]

Pacers we’re the other team besides the spurs who had cap space right? That Jalen Smith deal should eat into theirs a little bit

[Kurik]

I’m gonna bet he chose Pacers over some better deals.

[Dex]

Spurs are really gonna have the worst team this season lol.

We can only hope.

I'm starting it now...#EmbraceTheTank

[Dverde]

Miles Bridges still trying to decide between criminal defense attorneys. Should make a decision soon reports Woj.

[Degoat]

One question I have… So if the spurs were to trade/facilitate for a bad Contract such as (Westbrook, Tobias, Bertans, etc) would we keep them or buy them out?

[jeebus]

We can only hope.

I'm starting it now...#EmbraceTheTank

Starting it now? Broseph, we've been in tank mode once the season ended. They overachieved last season, so they traded away the fool that caused them to overachieve. Fuck signing any of these scrubs this season

[NASpurs]

I'm preparing myself mentally when the Spurs eventually trade for Westbrook.

[Dex]

Starting it now? Broseph, we've been in tank mode once the season ended. They overachieved last season, so they traded away the fool that caused them to overachieve. Fuck signing any of these scrubs this season

I was talking just about the hashtag (#) because yeah...I have a feeling we are going to be needing it a lot this summer, and for a couple seasons to come.

#EmbraceTheTank

For everyone who was wishing for it....here we go

[mo7888]

One question I have… So if the spurs were to trade/facilitate for a bad Contract such as (Westbrook, Tobias, Bertans, etc) would we keep them or buy them out?

Buy out

[lefty20]

Spurs being quiet thus far is a great thing imo.

Adding any middling talent via FA rn would not only block our cap space but could also hurt our chances at Wemby/Henderson sweepstakes by possibly adding a win or two into our final tally next year.


But if nothing comes off this extra cap space and it ends up being distributed as a bonus to the roster then :depressed

[BackHome]

Well it’s the quite before the Storm hoping things work out for us and we can get another pick in 2023.

[mystargtr34]

Waiting for Myles Turner to be traded for a FRP.

Pacers going full tank. Haliburton-Mathurin-Duarte-Jackson-Bitadze.

25 win team max.

[Dverde]

Good. Now trade Poeltl and tank your asses off.
We need to keep Poeltl to shoot the technical free throws.

[mystargtr34]

Turner only has 1 year left on his contract, but a contender will still give up a FRP.

Suns should be interested after the Durant sweepstakes. Maybe they are trying to involve the Pacers in the Ayton-Durant talks.

[Robz4000]

Waiting for Myles Turner to be traded for a FRP.

Pacers going full tank. Haliburton-Mathurin-Duarte-Jackson-Bitadze.

25 win team max.

Haliburton is prolly good enough to take them to 30 wins imo.

[Mugen]

We need to keep Poeltl to shoot the technical free throws.

:lol tbh

[Robz4000]

We need to keep Poeltl to shoot the technical free throws.

They can put just about anyone on the roster to do it tbh, the entire team was pretty abysmal at FT shooting last year.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So why do the Nets trade for Royce Oneal for a 1st with all this headache going on?

The 1st they traded will likely be Philadelphia’s pick. It is the worst of the picks they have for next year.

[lefty20]

Haliburton is prolly good enough to take them to 30 wins imo.

Yeah, but multiple sources have confirmed that Hali is due to come down with a mysterious ailment come February/March. It is rumored to be the same thing knocked out a few Blazers in the 2nd half last year.

[Robz4000]

Yeah, but multiple sources have confirmed that Hali is due to come down with a mysterious ailment come February/March. It is rumored to be the same thing knocked out a few Blazers in the 2nd half last year.

Should be enough time for the Pacers to get a decent record if the schedule goes the right way, but we'll see. Portland's second half tank last year will be pretty hard to top imo.

[mystargtr34]

Crapshooting some more since I got noting better to do.

Suns
Durant
Myles Turner

Pacers
FRP (2023 Suns)
SRP (2023 Nets)

Nets
Bogdanovic
Bridges
Crowder
3 FRP (2025 Suns, 2027 Suns, 2025 Jazz via Wolves)
3 FRP Pick Swaps (2024 Suns, 2026 Suns, 2026 Jazz)

Jazz
Ayton

Works on the trade machine

:lol

[Robz4000]

Crapshooting some more since I got noting better to do.

Suns
Durant
Myles Turner

Pacers
FRP (2023 Suns)
SRP (2023 Nets)

Nets
Bogdanovic
Bridges
Crowder
3 FRP (2025 Suns, 2027 Suns, 2025 Jazz via Wolves)
3 FRP Pick Swaps (2024 Suns, 2026 Suns, 2026 Jazz)

Jazz
Ayton

Works on the trade machine

:lol

Suns should prolly try to keep Bridges imo.

[BackHome]

Should be enough time for the Pacers to get a decent record if the schedule goes the right way, but we'll see. Portland's second half tank last year will be pretty hard to top imo.

I still can’t believe the league allowed OK to basically not play a good player almost all year just to tank i think it was Al Horton?

[mystargtr34]

Agree but if your getting Durant I think you can live with giving him up and find your 3-D wing elsewhere by trading Cam Johnson.

Nets would want more than just Bogdanovic and Crowder imo.

Maybe the Nets are willing to remove Bridges if the Suns throw in their 2029 FRP instead :lol.

[BackHome]

Crapshooting some more since I got noting better to do.

Suns
Durant
Myles Turner

Pacers
FRP (2023 Suns)
SRP (2023 Nets)

Nets
Bogdanovic
Bridges
Crowder
3 FRP (2025 Suns, 2027 Suns, 2025 Jazz via Wolves)
3 FRP Pick Swaps (2024 Suns, 2026 Suns, 2026 Jazz)

Jazz
Ayton

Works on the trade machine

:lol

So what we getting?

[mystargtr34]

So what we getting?

Westbrook and you'll like it.

[Ariel]

Turner only has 1 year left on his contract, but a contender will still give up a FRP.

Suns should be interested after the Durant sweepstakes. Maybe they are trying to involve the Pacers in the Ayton-Durant talks.
Another reason that limits Poeltl's value: limited demand, cheap alternatives. If we try to trade him, no one will be willing to give up much (20-ish first rounder tops, IMO). If we keep him or extend him, whatever value we gain he'll cost us in draft stock (more wins). So it's not an ideal situation. But if we get a decent first rounder, I say deal him.

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The Timberwolves have agreed to terms with Bryn Forbes, sources told @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).

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The Timberwolves have agreed to terms with Bryn Forbes, sources told @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).

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fuck yeah

[mystargtr34]

Gobert will be busy with Bryn on the team.

[Robz4000]

Agree but if your getting Durant I think you can live with giving him up and find your 3-D wing elsewhere by trading Cam Johnson.

Nets would want more than just Bogdanovic and Crowder imo.

Maybe the Nets are willing to remove Bridges if the Suns throw in their 2029 FRP instead :lol.

3-D wings are hard to come by tbh, would make more sense to give up another pick instead.

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The Timberwolves have agreed to terms with Bryn Forbes, sources told @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).

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:danceclub

[mystargtr34]

The Spurs could get involved in that trade above as the 5th team and take on Joe Harris 2/$39m in remaining salary on behalf of Brooklyn and take one of the Suns or Jazz FRP's instead of it going to Brooklyn.

Or they could take on Buddy Hield's remaining 2/$39m and take the Suns FRP + Nets SRP that would otherwise have gone to Indiana.

Plenty of ways the Spurs can get involved in any trade.

[RC_Drunkford]

What‘s Luka Samanic up to these days?

[NASpurs]

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The Timberwolves have agreed to terms with Bryn Forbes, sources told @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).

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Already the best offseason ever with this news.

[timtonymanu]

Slowmo and Brent on the same team lol

[Atl Spur]

:lol RC and Wright have been passed out drunk since FA began

Hell naw!!! Lol

[lmbebo]

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The Timberwolves have agreed to terms with Bryn Forbes, sources told @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/).

8:47pm · 1 Jul 2022 (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1543048714075373569) · TweetDeck (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)


BEST NEWS OF THE DAY

[KingKev]

Jalen Smith probably got the same deal as Eubanks lol wtf.

[Dverde]

At least we aren’t the T-Wolves. That team is run by idiots.

[Dverde]

The Spurs could get involved in that trade above as the 5th team and take on Joe Harris 2/$39m in remaining salary on behalf of Brooklyn and take one of the Suns or Jazz FRP's instead of it going to Brooklyn.

Or they could take on Buddy Hield's remaining 2/$39m and take the Suns FRP + Nets SRP that would otherwise have gone to Indiana.

Plenty of ways the Spurs can get involved in any trade.

Gordon Hayward, Davis Bertans, Duncan Robinson, Porzingis, Dario Saric, Julius Randle/Fournier are still out there.

[Ocotillo]

Should of kept Milutonov’s rights if we are tanking.

[Cardinal]

The first offseason where the lacking of any signings is the best situation possible

[offset formation]

What‘s Luka Samanic up to these days?

Probably a proud boy member

[exstatic]

Sure he did. It happened in 2022, remember? He's the reason they have their current core, including their management.

That core could never get the job done. Stevens went out and acquired (White) or in the case of Horford, reacquired assets that put them over the top, and shipped out players that Ainge had drafted or traded for. This was not the same team that Ainge let go of. This was Brad Stevens team. Smart hire of Udoka, too.

[offset formation]

The first offseason where the lacking of any signings is the best situation possible

Yeah but we still have Poeltl. He gotta go

[BackHome]

Probably a proud boy member

Nah definitely ANTIFA material - White - Skinny - Shady - Wants Things Given To Him. Etc.

[Chinook]

spurs valued cap space so much that they couldnt beat indiana's offer of *checks notes* 4.8 million per year

What's even funnier is that that's less than the room exception. So even if the team wanted to preserve every cent of their cap space, they could've still offered Smith a better contract.

[Mr. Body]

Nah definitely ANTIFA material - White - Skinny - Shady - Wants Things Given To Him. Etc.

Samanic is MAGAt through and through. Hateful, entitled, confused about the world. This is legitimate -- he's a right-wing surly asshole.

[Mr. Body]

What's even funnier is that that's less than the room exception. So even if the team wanted to preserve every cent of their cap space, they could've still offered Smith a better contract.

I'm not really going to understand not giving Smith a shot. We can't only be going with Poeltl and Zollins as bigs, with a rookie Sochan beside them.

[Degoat]

Bryn Forbes to the timberwolves

[exstatic]

Teams that are serious about winning dont trade their best player for future 1sts though

They do if that player is a 3rd option on a championship level team, and is heading into their 7th season.

[BackHome]

Samanic is MAGAt through and through. Hateful, entitled, confused about the world. This is legitimate -- he's a right-wing surly asshole.

Nah he definitely ANTIFA - always dressed in black, lazy, self entitled, thought the world resolved around him, no one wanted to be his friend, etc.

[Mr. Body]

Nah he definitely ANTIFA - always dressed in black, lazy, self entitled, thought the world resolved around him, no one wanted to be his friend, etc.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The boy is literally right-wing. Like, in actual reality, not your smooth brain fantasies.

[Thomas82]

We can only hope.

I'm starting it now...#EmbraceTheTank

That's right!! Brick for Vic!!

[exstatic]

exstatic in shambles. If only the Spurs had offered 11 million per year to beat all the offers from the teams that were offering him the MLE :lol

I’m fine. I’m guessing the Spurs contacted him, and told him the situation, and he didn’t want to wait for things to shake out. It’s the smart play.

[ace3g]

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Free agent guard Damion Lee has agreed to a one-year deal with the Phoenix Suns, source tells ESPN.

[Dejounte]

Tbh if Poeltl gets traded without a C coming back/ signed in free agency then the plan really is for Sochan to play some small ball C.

Tre Jones/ vet PG
Primo/ Wesley
Vassell/ Branham/ Wieskamp
Keldon/ McDermott/ KBD
Sochan/ Collins/ Cacok

[XDT76]

Spurs gonna give everyone a pay rise this year

[XDT76]

Tbh if Poeltl gets traded without a C coming back/ signed in free agency then the plan really is for Sochan to play some small ball C.

Tre Jones/ vet PG
Primo/ Wesley
Vassell/ Branham/ Wieskamp
Keldon/ McDermott/ KBD
Sochan/ Collins/ Cacok


Maybe they are impressed with Barlow from what they see in training

[buttsR4rebounding]

The Charlie Ward curse was broken when the Knicks signed Mitchell to a 2nd contract. They had 28 straight 1st round picks that weren’t signed to a 2nd contract. A record that may never be broken.

[Chinook]

The Charlie Ward curse was broken when the Knicks signed Mitchell to a 2nd contract. They had 28 straight 1st round picks that weren’t signed to a 2nd contract. A record that may never be broken.

Mitchell Robinson? He wasn't a first-round pick. 36th overall

[CGD]

The Charlie Ward curse was broken when the Knicks signed Mitchell to a 2nd contract. They had 28 straight 1st round picks that weren’t signed to a 2nd contract. A record that may never be broken.

Woah, that can’t possibility be true can it?! RJ will probably get maxed even though he shouldn’t be.

[CGD]

Bryn Forbes to the timberwolves

Praise the lord

[John B]

Bryn Forbes to the timberwolves

I was worried there :wow

[mystargtr34]

Knicks actually look like they’re building a half decent team rather than a clusterfuck of mismatching players like they’ve had for seemingly forever.

Still need a 3-D guy to put next to Barrett and Brunson like they had with Bullock 2 years ago. Hartenstein was a good signing. Robinson was back on a reasonable contract.

If they start Fournier at the 2 again they will win 35 games again.

Randle is the X factor, if he sucks again then they should trade him for any competent stretch 4 who can defend and Build around Brunson and Barrett.

[offset formation]

I was worried there :wow

He's the gift that kept on giving though. Plus he would have helped in the L column

[slick'81]

I was worried there :wow

patty still remains

[pad300]

patty still remains

No, he re-signed with Brooklyn, $14.5/2 years.

[mystargtr34]

Should bring Timmy, Manu and TP back for this season. 15 minutes a night each. Tank commanders and Spurs fans get to be nostalgic.

[FlAVaK]

Mitchell Robinson? He wasn't a first-round pick. 36th overall

That's right. And the full article mentions it. (Short quote above little misleading) Actually NO draft pick (1st and 2nd) has been resigned between Ward an Robinson!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/mitchell-robinson-breaks-knicks-infamous-charlie-ward-curse-by-signing-second-contract-with-team/

[slick'81]

No, he re-signed with Brooklyn, $14.5/2 years.

oh thank god

[RC_Drunkford]

No, he re-signed with Brooklyn, $14.5/2 years.

that's what the Spurs paid him per year :lmao

[KingKev]

Nah definitely ANTIFA material - White - Skinny - Shady - Wants Things Given To Him. Etc.

Luka is actually jacked after putting considerable time in the weight room with the Spurs

He probably pulls some wild chicks.

[Dejounte]

D Mitchell to Nets. Ayton to Utah. Durant to PHX.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

D Mitchell to Nets. Ayton to Utah. Durant to PHX.
Full list of Players Who can't move to the Nets while Ben Simmons is There:
Doncic, Embiid, Booker, Townes, Tatum, Adebayo, Wiggins, Mitchell, Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter, Aaron Fox and now - Ja Morant.



Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4278073/shai-gilgeous-alexander)

[RC_Drunkford]

I really hope the Jazz keep Mitchell, otherwise they will outtank us

[mystargtr34]

D Mitchell to Nets. Ayton to Utah. Durant to PHX.

Can’t see the Jazz signing Ayton without keeping Mitchell. If Mitchell wants out then they’ll just go full tank mode for a year. Although they could probably do that with Ayton and the rest of whatever they’d have left 😂

[Rito3d30]

As long as we remain the bottom three, we all share 14% chance to win the grand prize
Nothing to worry about cause the current Spurs team sucks:lol

[dbestpro]

Full list of Players Who can't move to the Nets while Ben Simmons is There:
Doncic, Embiid, Booker, Townes, Tatum, Adebayo, Wiggins, Mitchell, Gilgeous-Alexander, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter, Aaron Fox and now - Ja Morant.



Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4278073/shai-gilgeous-alexander)

To me, there is only one trade out there that makes any sense and has a chance of working. Anthony Davis for Durant.

[Ocotillo]

I did see that Orlando is keeping Mo Bamba.

[offset formation]

I did see that Orlando is keeping Mo Bamba.

I'm as happy about this as some of you guys are that Forbes went yo Minnesota. Bamba has been an odd fan favorite here

[offset formation]

To me, there is only one trade out there that makes any sense and has a chance of working. Anthony Davis for Durant.

No way that NJ does that deal. No way. Durant is 20x the player that Brow is. Not even with their two remaining FRPs.

[John B]

No way that NJ does that deal. No way. Durant is 20x the player that Brow is. Not even with their two remaining FRPs.

I don’t see the Lakers letting go of Davis. That kid’s still 29 and just needs proper conditioning. They’re moving Westbrick and getting Kyrie and that’s enough for them to ring again if healthy.

[mystargtr34]

I think Durant gets his wish and ends up in Phoenix.

Kyrie probably gets his wish and ends up on the Lakers but I really hope the Nets owner tells Mark’s no trade and they just let him rot in Brooklyn and call his bluff. If he wants to sit out the year let him, Nets get cap relief once his contract expires at the end of the year.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I don’t see the Lakers letting go of Davis. That kid’s still 29 and just needs proper conditioning. They’re moving Westbrick and getting Kyrie and that’s enough for them to ring again if healthy.
And he gets injured like a 45 year old playing ball, i'd trade him for Durant in a heartbeat but BKN would never do that and they have no assets.

[John B]

And he gets injured like a 45 year old playing ball, i'd trade him for Durant in a heartbeat but BKN would never do that and they have no assets.

I don’t see Durant ever pairing with LeBron. KD will be with CP0. And LeBron/AD/Kyrie. Russell/Edwards/KAT/Gobert. I see enough Marvels and DC already in theaters :lol

[KingKev]

I'm as happy about this as some of you guys are that Forbes went yo Minnesota. Bamba has been an odd fan favorite here

wouldn’t say fan favourite. Young, cheap with an intriguing skillset at a position of need for a team flush with cap space. Low risk.

[Ariel]

wouldn’t say fan favourite. Young, cheap with an intriguing skillset at a position of need for a team flush with cap space. Low risk.
Well... not right now he wouldn't. I was scratching my head as to why we didn't pick up Liddell or Kamagate at the draft... and with the moves that followed, it seems clear to me that the FO is thinking long term. Adding anyone who could prove beneficial on the court right now, might hurt our long term chances (meaning 2023 lottery odds, and renting the free cap space for further assets). So in any other offseason he'd make more sense than he would in this one, much in the same way I think we might have picked up Liddell or Kamagate if the circumstances were different. Every move the FO has made in the past 6 months leads me to believe that.

[R. DeMurre]

Bryn Forbes has now etched out a solid journeyman career getting paid to be the 8th/9th/10th man on playoff teams... this is the same guy that started 81 of 82 games for the Spurs in '19 and 62 of 63 in '20. Running that experiment for an entire season wasn't enough! They had to try it a second time too. :lol

[offset formation]

Bryn Forbes has now etched out a solid journeyman career getting paid to be the 8th/9th/10th man on playoff teams... this is the same guy that started 81 of 82 games for the Spurs in '19 and 62 of 63 in '20. Running that experiment for an entire season wasn't enough! They had to try it a second time too. :lol

See this was my point. Bryn Forbes didn't matter, or at least not for the amount of hate he gets here.

Yes, his defensive philosophy is Turnstile. But this team didn't make or miss the playoffs because of Bryn Forbes. Matter of fact, I doubt our overall seeding in any year he played for us would have been changed by more than one spot had he never been on the team to begin with.

Bryn is an easy target for a fan base used to success that's currently going through rougher seas. His defense is horrible but he also made some big time shots. He also was a decent trade piece both times when we sent him to Milwaukee and Denver. In summary, he's simply not worth the strong emotions he generates on this board, when so many other roster spots should have also been given equal derision.

I think this latest decision by PATFO to finally call uncle on the post neph era highlights just how many awful decisions they made after that shitbag weasled his way out and trashed the team on his way out.

[TD 21]

D Mitchell to Nets. Ayton to Utah. Durant to PHX.

National media are predictably trying to push their Raptors agenda (despite not having a young first option type and being in conference), but with Gobert traded, this now makes by far the most sense as far as principles go, ahead of the Pelicans.

[ace3g]

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Free agent center Bismack Biyombo has agreed to terms on a return to the Phoenix Suns, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/).

[BatManu20]

As long as we remain the bottom three, we all share 14% chance to win the grand prize
Nothing to worry about cause the current Spurs team sucks:lol

We won’t be bottom 3 imo. This team plays too hard lol.

[BatManu20]

Need to trade Poeltl to ensure we’re not winning any more games than we should be. He’s worth 7-10 wins by himself.

[Chinook]

Would still say Poeltl is the best starting center on the market in the event of an Ayton trade. Bismack played well last year, but he's still a bench player.

[Dverde]

Sources expect Charlotte to pull the qualifying offer for Miles Bridges making him an unrestricted free agent after being charged for domestic violence by the LAPD.

GOAT self inflicted financial suicide

[emanueldavidginobili]

Would still say Poeltl is the best starting center on the market in the event of an Ayton trade. Bismack played well last year, but he's still a bench player.
I agree, but DJ was spoon feeding him this year. It will be interesting how he performs this year on a different team or this team without DJ.

[offset formation]

Sources expect Charlotte to pull the qualifying offer for Miles Bridges making him an unrestricted free agent after being charged for domestic violence by the LAPD.

GOAT self inflicted financial suicide

Beat wife, no bank....don't beat wife, bank.

Tough call.

[offset formation]

I agree, but DJ was spoon feeding him this year. It will be interesting how he performs this year on a different team or this team without DJ.

I think he'll do fine with Tre, since he can still at least get to the rim. Primo, otoh, has neither the midrange (at least as of last year) nor the explosiveness necessary to make the PnR a defensive juggernaut for opposing defenses, especially when Poeltl isn't a threat beyond like 5 feet.

They'll just play off both of them making that combo pretty much worthless in the PnR

[Ariel]

Sources expect Charlotte to pull the qualifying offer for Miles Bridges making him an unrestricted free agent after being charged for domestic violence by the LAPD.

GOAT self inflicted financial suicide
Dennis Schroder says hi

[Chomag]

It appears like Utah is going to try to out tank us.

[R. DeMurre]

See this was my point. Bryn Forbes didn't matter, or at least not for the amount of hate he gets here.

Yes, his defensive philosophy is Turnstile. But this team didn't make or miss the playoffs because of Bryn Forbes. Matter of fact, I doubt our overall seeding in any year he played for us would have been changed by more than one spot had he never been on the team to begin with.

Bryn is an easy target for a fan base used to success that's currently going through rougher seas. His defense is horrible but he also made some big time shots. He also was a decent trade piece both times when we sent him to Milwaukee and Denver. In summary, he's simply not worth the strong emotions he generates on this board, when so many other roster spots should have also been given equal derision.

I think this latest decision by PATFO to finally call uncle on the post neph era highlights just how many awful decisions they made after that shitbag weasled his way out and trashed the team on his way out.

I've never disliked Forbes-- he's an undersized undrafted SG who stuck in the league and is picking his spots wisely, and as a 9th man actually has value. It's the fact that PATFO looked at DeRozan & Bryn on the court at the same time and thought "yeah, let's ride with this for multiple seasons and see where it leads." Everything about that era bugged me as a basketball fan-- the mid range emphasis, the large collection of non-defenders, the three point tentativeness... it was just bad & frustrating to watch, and took way too long to finally correct.

[Ariel]

It appears like Utah is going to try to out tank us.
No need to worry about Utah, unless we're REALLY stupid... even if they go winless, as long as we're bottom 3 we have the same chances at any of the lottery spots than them. It's on US... which is my only fear.

[R. DeMurre]

See this was my point. Bryn Forbes didn't matter, or at least not for the amount of hate he gets here.


:lol Were you here for the Jeff Ayres era?! People posted incessantly about him even though he was literally the last guy off the bench!

[CGD]

Damn, sexton got the max. Cleveland gonna regret that one

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn, sexton got the max. Cleveland gonna regret that one

Garland not Sexton

[John B]

I agree, but DJ was spoon feeding him this year. It will be interesting how he performs this year on a different team or this team without DJ.

CP0 spoon feeding Poodle would be twice effective

[John B]

Sources expect Charlotte to pull the qualifying offer for Miles Bridges making him an unrestricted free agent after being charged for domestic violence by the LAPD.

GOAT self inflicted financial suicide

Damn bring Bridges too. If he does not play for a year so much the better :lol

[Dejounte]

Yeah lets bring in a fucking asshole who beats women. Fucking idiot, man

[John B]

Man I’d be been renting free in your head lately. I have to tell there’s not much up there :lmao

[Dejounte]

Man I’d be been renting free in your head lately. I have to tell there’s not much up there :lmao
An ironic statement coming from someone who is fine with domestic abuse. You’re a dumbass, dude.

[Ariel]

Damn bring Bridges too. If he does not play for a year so much the better :lol
https://theathletic.com/3171667/2022/03/09/nba-40-under-40-spurs-gm-brian-wright-is-helping-san-antonio-begin-a-new-generation-of-basketball/

I think if people listen closely to Pop when he talks to the media, it’s pretty simple. Guys who are wanting to do something, participate in something that’s larger than themselves. That have gotten over themselves. That are willing to put team in front of the individual. And obviously, there are characteristics that you look for on the basketball court, but I think the biggest thing is it starts there. It starts with the character of the person. We’ve seen 20 years of the Spurs franchise doing that, and that’s not something we ever want to deviate from. So, in looking for players to join the group, that’s first and foremost where we start, and then it’s an evaluation of everything else behind that.

[dbestpro]

Yeah lets bring in a fucking asshole who beats women. Fucking idiot, man

Kobe?

[Spurs Homer]

Kobe?

he raped- not sure if he beat em too?

[JuneJive]

Spurs should position themselves as a third or fourth team ready to jump in the KD deal, just to ease everyone's plans and in the process extract as many FRP's as they can.

The opportunity to stock mass FRP's is there. Wright shouldn't be hesitant.

[Dverde]

https://theathletic.com/3171667/2022/03/09/nba-40-under-40-spurs-gm-brian-wright-is-helping-san-antonio-begin-a-new-generation-of-basketball/

So much ego filled crap on this quote. You don’t need character, you need Tim Duncan. Spurs think they are the John Cena of the NBA. Players just want to win and get paid.

[Ariel]

So much ego filled crap on this quote. You don’t need character, you need Tim Duncan. Spurs think they are the John Cena of the NBA. Players just want to win and get paid.
A bigger ego and Tim Duncan says bye bye and signs with the Lakers or Heat, wins as much and earns more. So yeah, it kind of matters...

[Dverde]

A bigger ego and Tim Duncan says bye bye and signs with the Lakers or Heat, wins as much and earns more. So yeah, it kind of matters...

Spurs legends and great guys LMA and Pau Gasol both gave up on their team after being paid tens of millions of dollars over multiple seasons. Nephew also refused to show and didn’t even support his teammates on the bench in playoff games…Spurs just bent for them. This idea that Spurs culture wins championships is mostly wrong. It was mostly Tim Duncan and the culture he, Tony, Manu built.

[spurs10]

Spurs legends and great guys LMA and Pau Gasol both gave up on their team after being paid tens of millions of dollars over multiple seasons. Nephew also refused to show and didn’t even support his teammates on the bench in playoff games…Spurs just bent for them. This idea that Spurs culture wins championships is mostly wrong. It was mostly Tim Duncan and the culture he, Tony, Manu built. True, but that's the point really. That's your model and there is no good reason to change it. It's people's lives and character does matter.

[slick'81]

Spurs legends and great guys LMA and Pau Gasol both gave up on their team after being paid tens of millions of dollars over multiple seasons. Nephew also refused to show and didn’t even support his teammates on the bench in playoff games…Spurs just bent for them. This idea that Spurs culture wins championships is mostly wrong. It was mostly Tim Duncan and the culture he, Tony, Manu built.


A coach can only do so much. In the end you gotta have the players man

[John B]

A bigger ego and Tim Duncan says bye bye and signs with the Lakers or Heat, wins as much and earns more. So yeah, it kind of matters...

can’t say Timmy would’ve lasted 19 years though. Don’t give me Kobe’s 20 years. He was the one forcing himself in the court. Other teams would have rode that bad leg to the ground. Timmy playing 19 instead of 14 eventually made him more money and better legacy.

[offset formation]

:lol Were you here for the Jeff Ayres era?! People posted incessantly about him even though he was literally the last guy off the bench!

Yes. And I still see random comments about it to this day, lol. It's damn near impossible to stop the constant disparagment once this board collectively decides you're trash.

[ace3g]

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Restricted free agent Cody Martin has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal to return to the Charlotte Hornets, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/).

[R. DeMurre]

Building around a maxed out 6'1" shooting guard who doesn't defend might be the worst strategy there is.


Maybe 2nd worse compared to building around 2-$200M Centers in a league devaluing Centers..


I'm actually interested to see how this experiment goes. I think in their eyes the idea is that KAT becomes more like prime Dirk and Rudy becomes a bigger Tyson Chandler. It kind of makes sense, as KAT isn't a paint defender and is a great shooter. Worse case scenario, it doesn't work, and they trade someone to either recoup some of those draft picks, or get better fitting players. I think it actually has a chance of some success if they let KAT shoot eight to ten 3s a game, where Gobert's main job becomes rebounding three pt misses for second chance opportunities. They're not gonna win a title, but it'll be a fun team to watch.

[Mr. Body]

I'm actually interested to see how this experiment goes. I think in their eyes the idea is that KAT becomes more like prime Dirk and Rudy becomes a bigger Tyson Chandler. It kind of makes sense, as KAT isn't a paint defender and is a great shooter. Worse case scenario, it doesn't work, and they trade someone to either recoup some of those draft picks, or get better fitting players. I think it actually has a chance of some success if they let KAT shoot eight to ten 3s a game, where Gobert's main job becomes rebounding three pt misses for second chance opportunities. They're not gonna win a title, but it'll be a fun team to watch.

Gobert hanging around the paint will be a problem for Anthony Edwards on offense. But the real problem Minnesota will face is on defense. If teams can keep drawing Gobert out to the perimeter, then you have two slow-footed centers trying to cover that territory. What Utah faced could be amplified significantly.

[JPB]

Spurs legends and great guys LMA and Pau Gasol both gave up on their team after being paid tens of millions of dollars over multiple seasons. Nephew also refused to show and didn’t even support his teammates on the bench in playoff games…Spurs just bent for them. This idea that Spurs culture wins championships is mostly wrong. It was mostly Tim Duncan and the culture he, Tony, Manu built.

And who brought Tony and Manu in SA? They made their due dilignece as far as personalty is concerned... Do you think if both go somewhere else, they bring the same culture to their team?

Not saying their personalities didn't constitute a big part of the culture but they were in an environment that encouraged and allowing them to develop that culture...I remember Pop once, about how spurs were building their roster around the big 3 saying somethinbg like: "We can't bring anybody in this locker room. There's a cetain standard in that locker room that (the big 3) has established and we can't mess up with these guys, we can't give them anyone.

So yeah, both the club and the players build that culture.

[JPB]

Checking your typos and spelling mistakes while you can't edit your post anymore is a torture, tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

Building around a maxed out 6'1" shooting guard who doesn't defend might be the worst strategy there is.


Gobert hanging around the paint will be a problem for Anthony Edwards on offense. But the real problem Minnesota will face is on defense. If teams can keep drawing Gobert out to the perimeter, then you have two slow-footed centers trying to cover that territory. What Utah faced could be amplified significantly.


Yeah, I see those as issues too. I guessing there will be lots of adjustments, like Gobert shading left in the paint to leave the right side more open for Ant, but it'll definitely be something they've got to experiment with & figure out. It'll be interesting to see how they switch stuff up defensively to keep from getting the bigs pulled away too... maybe more hybrid zone defenses like the triangle and two getting used for stretches.

[Mr. Body]

And who brought Tony and Manu in SA? They made their due dilignece as far as personalty is concerned... Do you think if both go somewhere else, they bring the same culture to their team?

Not saying their personalities didn't constitute a big part of the culture but they were in an environment that encouraged and allowing them to develop that culture...I remember Pop once, about how spurs were building their roster around the big 3 saying somethinbg like: "We can't bring anybody in this locker room. There's a cetain standard in that locker room that (the big 3) has established and we can't mess up with these guys, we can't give them anyone.

So yeah, both the club and the players build that culture.

I would say the current Spurs locker room has taken a massive hit with the trade of Murray. Keldon and Vassell have no reason to think of themselves as part of the Spurs' future. Poeltl is a dead man walking, despite the team belatedly realizing they need him. And this malaise will roll over to the rookies and everyone else. I'm curious to see how a team somehow revives a good team culture. It probably won't be for a long time.

[TD 21]

So far, I like what the Celtics (playmaking, shooting, depth and could get in the game for Durant if they so choose), Nuggets, 76ers (more perimeter size, 3 and D) and Jazz (insane amount of draft capital) have done.

I don't like what the Bucks (no tertiary creator, 3 and D big wing), Mavs (imbalanced roster), Timberwolves (I get it, but no versatility or assets to build around very good, but not good enough to win a championship big 3) and Kings (added 3, but not D) have done.


No need to worry about Utah, unless we're REALLY stupid... even if they go winless, as long as we're bottom 3 we have the same chances at any of the lottery spots than them. It's on US... which is my only fear.

Finishing last is important because it guarantees a top 4 pick.

[Ariel]

Finishing last is important because it guarantees a top 4 pick.
No it doesn't, because the top 4 picks are determined by the lottery, and even the team with the top record can fall out of it. After the lottery rest of the spots are determined by record, and thus the team that finishes last is guaranteed at least the FIFTH spot (if it falls out of the lottery), the team that finished next to last the SIXTH, and so on... but my point is that the difference between 5th and 6th is much less relevant than the difference between spots in the top 4, so I'm not overly concerned with that as I'm with finishing in the bottom 3.

[Ariel]

Can't edit, so I mean if the team with the worst record falls out of the TOP 4 (not the lottery) then it's guaranteed the 5th spot because positioning is determined by ranking and they're the worst of the bunch.

[KingKev]

Building around Josh Primo at an average of 15mm a year when it’s all said is done is equally as stupid.

[offset formation]

Building around Josh Primo at an average of 15mm a year when it’s all said is done is equally as stupid.

He's gonna start earning 25-28 MPG. His skills better start manifesting themselves or he'll be catching increasing doubt by the end of the year if he looks to have barely improved.

[Mr. Body]

He's gonna start earning 25-28 MPG. His skills better start manifesting themselves or he'll be catching increasing doubt by the end of the year if he looks to have barely improved.

All the casuals hate him already.

[RC_Drunkford]

All the casuals hate him already.

he's pretty good for his age tbh

[tonight...you]

Building around Josh Primo at an average of 15mm a year when it’s all said is done is equally as stupid.
We'll see.

[TD 21]

No it doesn't, because the top 4 picks are determined by the lottery, and even the team with the top record can fall out of it. After the lottery rest of the spots are determined by record, and thus the team that finishes last is guaranteed at least the FIFTH spot (if it falls out of the lottery), the team that finished next to last the SIXTH, and so on... but my point is that the difference between 5th and 6th is much less relevant than the difference between spots in the top 4, so I'm not overly concerned with that as I'm with finishing in the bottom 3.

Correct, but it's still beneficial to finish last.

I get your point, but every draft has a tiers in it and by next year's, there might be a clear delineation between 5 and 6 for all we know.

Point is, I know they'll bring in a PG or combo guard and C presuming they trade Poeltl and don't get once back in the exchange, but we better be talking more Augustin/Campazzo than Sexton.

[tbdog]

Gobert hanging around the paint will be a problem for Anthony Edwards on offense. But the real problem Minnesota will face is on defense. If teams can keep drawing Gobert out to the perimeter, then you have two slow-footed centers trying to cover that territory. What Utah faced could be amplified significantly.

Wolves will be top 5 defense team in the regular season

[BacktoBasics]

I would say the current Spurs locker room has taken a massive hit with the trade of Murray. Keldon and Vassell have no reason to think of themselves as part of the Spurs' future. Poeltl is a dead man walking, despite the team belatedly realizing they need him. And this malaise will roll over to the rookies and everyone else. I'm curious to see how a team somehow revives a good team culture. It probably won't be for a long time.
This is a real concern. It’s one of the first things that came to mind when they moved Murray.

What are exactly are we building?We got some nice development out of the last couple of drafts. Seems all for not when you punt the best of the bunch who wasn’t that old to begin with.

[KingKev]

So Utah is going to keep Mitchell and out tank us for VW.
It’s just basketball though. :drunk :pop::pop::pop:

Does that extra salary cap get distributed to coach Pop also?

[Mr. Body]

This is a real concern. It’s one of the first things that came to mind when they moved Murray.

What are exactly are we building?We got some nice development out of the last couple of drafts. Seems all for not when you punt the best of the bunch who wasn’t that old to begin with.

It's going to be devastating, tbh. Team chemistry and team morale -- gone. We basically nephewed all the young players on the team.

[mo7888]

The Phoenix Suns are trading for Australian center Jock Landale from the Atlanta Hawks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Landale averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 rebounds in 54 games for the Spurs last season.

[spurraider21]

The Phoenix Suns are trading for Australian center Jock Landale from the Atlanta Hawks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Landale averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 rebounds in 54 games for the Spurs last season.
Interesting…

[BatManu20]

Young Jock headed to PHX.

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[CGD]

Garland not Sexton

Good catch, my bad.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Phoenix Suns are trading for Australian center Jock Landale from the Atlanta Hawks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Landale averaged 4.9 points and 2.7 rebounds in 54 games for the Spurs last season.

you're telling me the Hawks are getting an asset for Landale while we basically only included him to make the trade go through 1 day earlier?

[mo7888]

you're telling me the Hawks are getting an asset for Landale while we basically only included him to make the trade go through 1 day earlier?

I'm assuming so...I haven't seen what they are getting though..

[exstatic]

Wolves will be top 5 defense team in the regular season

No they won’t, because both bigs will be dragged into PICK and rolls repeatedly, isolated on small sniper Guards, and get bombed with 3 pointers. Who cares if Gobert dunks on the other end. That’s only 2 points.

[RC_Drunkford]

This is a real concern. It’s one of the first things that came to mind when they moved Murray.

What are exactly are we building?We got some nice development out of the last couple of drafts. Seems all for not when you punt the best of the bunch who wasn’t that old to begin with.

we got all the pieces just not the main one. A franchise player. So we are trying to find a franchise player to pair with all those young guys we have while also having future assets and cap space. Seems like the right strategy to me. Now if we get that guy in the next draft great. Rebuild basically over, even though we will suck for another 3 years probably. But if we don't, we could be in for a long ride

[CGD]

you're telling me the Hawks are getting an asset for Landale while we basically only included him to make the trade go through 1 day earlier?

It’s a wash. I think the Spurs would say including Jock allowed them to make the deal before July 1, and meant they probably didn’t have to eat more of Gallos deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

somebody ask them if they also want to trade for Poeltl tbh

[exstatic]

Correct, but it's still beneficial to finish last.

I get your point, but every draft has a tiers in it and by next year's, there might be a clear delineation between 5 and 6 for all we know.

Point is, I know they'll bring in a PG or combo guard and C presuming they trade Poeltl and don't get once back in the exchange, but we better be talking more Augustin/Campazzo than Sexton.

There’s also clear #1, and everyone else is fucked. There’s nothing else but guards at the top.

[RC_Drunkford]

There’s also clear #1, and everyone else is fucked. There’s nothing else but guards at the top.

the Spurs love guards

[spurraider21]

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[RC_Drunkford]

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ok no asset :lol Seems that ever since Monty Williams is coaching the Suns they make smarter decisions. KD deal is about to go down soon

[pad300]

There’s also clear #1, and everyone else is fucked. There’s nothing else but guards at the top.

That's the perception, but it may not be true. Would you rather have Zion or Ja Morant? Zion was the clear #1...

[Russ]

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Landale is the anti-Ayton.

Looks like a deliberate change (after the unfortunate collapse).

[exstatic]

That's the perception, but it may not be true. Would you rather have Zion or Ja Morant? Zion was the clear #1...

Wembanyana doesn’t weigh 400 lbs, and he’s seen as more than a clear #1: a generational player. Zion was the clear #1, but there were red flags. His weight was always an issue, but people thought it might just shorten his career, not completely derail it.

[Russ]

It's going to be devastating, tbh. Team chemistry and team morale -- gone. We basically nephewed all the young players on the team.

You may be right but not necessarily so.

"Nephewed" (as a verb) means leaving someone in worse shape to pursue your own ends.

The Spurs didn't do that and never have.

The players (young or old) likely know that.

[Ariel]

Wembanyana doesn’t weigh 400 lbs, and he’s seen as more than a clear #1: a generational player. Zion was the clear #1, but there were red flags. His weight was always an issue, but people thought it might just shorten his career, not completely derail it.
Definitely. Wembanyama's game also isn't predicated on explosive athleticism, and barring some unforeseen injury proclivity of which I have no knowledge of at this point, he looks every bit the part.

[TD 21]

we got all the pieces just not the main one. A franchise player. So we are trying to find a franchise player to pair with all those young guys we have while also having future assets and cap space. Seems like the right strategy to me. Now if we get that guy in the next draft great. Rebuild basically over, even though we will suck for another 3 years probably. But if we don't, we could be in for a long ride

Based on what? At this writing only Johnson and Vassell have so much as established themselves as rotation players and none of Primo, Sochan, Branham or Wesley are can't miss prospects.

If they can get one top 3 player on a good - elite team out of that group, it should probably be considered a success.

[bluebellmaniac]

Bryn Forbes has now etched out a solid journeyman career getting paid to be the 8th/9th/10th man on playoff teams... this is the same guy that started 81 of 82 games for the Spurs in '19 and 62 of 63 in '20. Running that experiment for an entire season wasn't enough! They had to try it a second time too. :lol

The guy has earned $14.5M career BEFORE this current contract. Has enough to live a luxurious life and to experience things most can only dream about. Good for Bryn.

[Dex]

Man, Jock bouncing around from Australia to San Antonio to Atlanta to Phoenix...

Obviously not a world-beater as far as talent is concerned, but probably not how he envisioned his road in the NBA to begin.

[Ariel]

It's going to be devastating, tbh. Team chemistry and team morale -- gone. We basically nephewed all the young players on the team.
What?? It may have an impact to miss a key member of the roster, but I don't see how a move that was made to better position the team, the player being traded, and the development of young players, could be seen as devastating to chemistry and morale. The Spurs development of young players has always been a priority and that will only be reinforced this season, they have a great coaching staff and role models to turn to (including Manu)... Every rookie and Primo should be thrilled of the unforeseen opportunity that just opened up for them. There's a case to be made of 2 players suffering some impact: Keldon Johnson (mainly) and Vassell. But a nice extension to KJ should take care of that, and Vassell's increased role will keep him content. All in all, what happened here is much less traumatic that what happens every day in pretty much every other franchise.

[Mr. Body]

What?? It may have an impact to miss a key member of the roster, but I don't see how a move that was made to better position the team, the player being traded, and the development of young players, could be seen as devastating to chemistry and morale. The Spurs development of young players has always been a priority and that will only be reinforced this season, they have a great coaching staff and role models to turn to (including Manu)... Every rookie and Primo should be thrilled of the unforeseen opportunity that just opened up for them. There's a case to be made of 2 players suffering some impact: Keldon Johnson (mainly) and Vassell. But a nice extension to KJ should take care of that, and Vassell's increased role will keep him content. All in all, what happened here is much less traumatic that what happens every day in pretty much every other franchise.

The trade changes everything, bud. Everything about developing young players for the future of this franchise has gone out the window. Of course it affects team morale. Very, very badly.