Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread [Archive] - Page 2

T Park

06-26-2022, 01:01 PM

Spursfanfromafar

06-26-2022, 01:03 PM

There is no next opportunity

Waiting for a better opportunity is better than taking a bad risk.

KDKSpurs24

06-26-2022, 01:28 PM

Waiting for a better opportunity is better than taking a bad risk.
Have to take a risk in San Antonio. The cap space means nothing since this just isn’t an intriguing destination for the majority of star free agents. Spurs basically HAVE to pay big even for players like Ayton.

scott

06-26-2022, 01:31 PM

Waiting for a better opportunity is better than taking a bad risk.

100%.

You don’t stick your hand in a blender for a 1% chance of grabbing a $100 bill just bc the odds of winning the lottery are low.

If we get Ayton, I’ll obviously root him on, nut spending the max on a C like Ayton is just foolish. The fact that other max FAs may not come here doesn’t change that fact

rascal

06-26-2022, 01:48 PM

dbestpro

06-26-2022, 01:55 PM

You have to take calculated risks. Ayton is one of the best centers in the league and is poised to get better in the right system. Add TRob and Duncan's coaching and he could be as good as any center. Waiting for an established superstar is a bad risk. Going after Ayton is a calculated risk.

JPB

06-26-2022, 01:56 PM

Waiting for a better opportunity is better than taking a bad risk.

As they say, the best moves/trades are the ones you don't make.

Ariel

06-26-2022, 01:59 PM

You don’t stick your hand in a blender for a 1% chance of grabbing a $100 bill just bc the odds of winning the lottery are low.
That better be a billion dolar blender :lol

Spursfanfromafar

06-26-2022, 02:42 PM

CGD

06-26-2022, 02:48 PM

Paying Ayton 30-35 million to do marginally better than what Poeltl already offers at 9 million (and which could only potentially increase to probably 20 million at a maximum if he keeps up and stays with the Spurs) isn't calculated risk. Its putting money in the wrong basket. Ayton isn't a first option or even a second option. He is at best a third option in the positionless NBA. Spurs are better off in paying a SF/PF max money or grooming their own star in the medium term.

Ayton isn’t marginally better than Jakob, lol. More skilled offensive player and the guy now has deep playoff experience. He did a good job against Giannis in the finals a few years ago as well.

The better question is how far away is he from the max money/caliber centers in the league— Embid, Joker, and Giannis? The gulf is real, and this the hesitation teams have in offering max money.

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 02:57 PM

In the modern NBA, paying a center a max contract unless he has some premium skills a la Jokic/ Embiid is just a waste of money. Ayton is a good player, but he is no premium guy to be paid the max. Spurs are better off continuing with Poeltl and utilising the next opportunity to land a FA with cap space and talent intact. Who knows, Durant might want to play for Pop and take on the Warriors to finally set his legacy, maybe in 2023-24.

have you really been here since 09 and just said Durant will want to play here? :lmao You should know better

I'm glad there are people here that want the team to improve in free agency and via trade. I'd be cool with just one of OG Anounoby or John Collins tbh. Don't have a problem with Poeltl staying, but they should absolutely try to get Ayton. He's 23 he still got room to get better and he's a #1 pick. That's what team tank here wants, a #1 pick, but hey don't sign one when he becomes available :lol Also he's still a tradeable contract, especially if he improves and his numbers will improve on the Spurs 100%

objective

06-26-2022, 02:57 PM

If newish rumors are to be believed, as per The Athletic and aggregated in the RealGM news feed, then Atlanta wants cap relief in exchange for Collins.

Spurs are one of the few teams that can do that easy, and some extra future picks to throw in.

That would even allow the Spurs to roll out some jumbo lineups in certain situations with Sochan at SF because he can defend there and Collins can hit threes

But I know it will just end up being Detroit who gets him for like a second round pick swap and Cory Joseph or some cheap bullshit and they'll be in the playoffs and San Antonio will be treading in the 10th seed waters

Payote75

06-26-2022, 03:14 PM

An IMO, best possible case (but actually realistic) for this FA period.

Ayton (4 year max; starting at $32M I think) S&T for Poeltl + Langford + maybe a 2024 FRP (protected 1-4)
No, I don't see PHX getting more than this, between the teams that have the space to make a max offer, his poison-pill status restricting them to taking 1/2 the salary back, and assorted burned bridges between him and PHX (not max'ing him last offseason, whatever happened in Gm 7).

John Collins ($23.5M + raises, 4 years remaining) Trade for McDermott + J Rich + FRP (when and what protections uncertain ???)
Yes, it has gotten bad enough between the ATL and Collins that he's out of there, and everyone knows it, so they're not getting a ton. They may look to further move McDermott or J Rich, depending on what they can get...

C: Ayton/Z Collins/ Landale
PF: J Collins /Sochan / KBD / Barlow (2 way, G League)
Wings: Vassel/ Keldon/ Primo / Branham/ Weiskamp / Wesley (G-League)
PG: DJ / Tre

Bring in a cheap 3ed string PG and maybe another wing. (Bring back Lonnie on the cheap, maybe?? Or, much less palatably, recycle Forbes again, trying make another 2nd round pick from him?)

My sentiments exactly been say this for a while. It makes the teams youth core grow and get better while being way more than competitive right away. I dare say that team if some things go right can hold its own with a lot of the west of not this year then eventually. But ayton Collins DJ Keldon young as they are already have plenty of experience. That's building something special.

TD 21

06-26-2022, 03:18 PM

have you really been here since 09 and just said Durant will want to play here? :lmao You should know better

I'm glad there are people here that want the team to improve in free agency and via trade. I'd be cool with just one of OG Anounoby or John Collins tbh. Don't have a problem with Poeltl staying, but they should absolutely try to get Ayton. He's 23 he still got room to get better and he's a #1 pick. That's what team tank here wants, a #1 pick, but hey don't sign one when he becomes available :lol Also he's still a tradeable contract, especially if he improves and his numbers will improve on the Spurs 100%

Yeah, nobody is saying that Ayton is Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Towns, etc., but despite what various catch all metrics indicate, he's not Poeltl either.

He's much more versatile (vertical spacer, who can post switches, with a passable and improving jumper and switch ability), is only going on 24 and has already proven he's matchup proof in the playoffs.

For an organization that refuses to bottom out and can't attract stars in free agency (Aldridge was for family reasons + the chance to play for a perennial contender), this is a rare opportunity and one that shouldn't be passed up because he wants a % of the cap (25 as opposed to 20ish) which is negligible in roster building.

CGD

06-26-2022, 03:19 PM

CGD

06-26-2022, 03:26 PM

Damn how the mighty have fallen. He’d be great in DET, but, like Ayton, I wonder if he’s not on there timeline anymore.

Doug, Josh R, and a heavily protected spurs first would be awesome.

pad300

06-26-2022, 03:29 PM

Waiting for a better opportunity is better than taking a bad risk.

The issue with this plan is that this is the last season we will have significant capspace available to us for the forseeable future. Assuming we don't dump both Keldon and Poeltl next offseason (ie let them become UFA's by not tendering them their QO's), we aren't going to have significant capspace again until we tear it down. Thus there is no better opportunity to bring in one or more FA's. We waited out last season (when we could have offered a max) on your plan, but we have hit the end of that road.

(Note that we will be able to resign our own players next year, even if we bring in a bunch FA's this year, because of bird rights.)

chunticakes

06-26-2022, 03:31 PM

1. Not like we're going to use our cap space. Might as well make a run at Ayton.

2. Ayton will help sell tickets.

3. We're not tanking anyways. Why not try to marginally improve with Ayton?

mo7888

06-26-2022, 03:37 PM

Have to take a risk in San Antonio. The cap space means nothing since this just isn’t an intriguing destination for the majority of star free agents. Spurs basically HAVE to pay big even for players like Ayton.

Maxing a player that can't get you where you want to go isn't taking a risk...it's just throwing away the immediate future...nothing more...

Degoat

06-26-2022, 03:45 PM

Ayton seems like a rinse and repeat of last offseason with the John Collins interest. Will end up signing Kyle Anderson and Kevon Looney tbh lol

TD 21

06-26-2022, 03:47 PM

I don't think the Spurs will be interested, but I'd like their chances if they are . . .

Hawks: Young will always be the face of the franchise, is close with Capela and they're supposedly not interested in offering the max.

Pistons: Givony said on the Lowe Post that he's always conceived of himself as a a PF, so having (for now) Stewart and Duren might actually make them more appealing, but there's speculation Bridges is their target.

Spurs: Givony also said he wants to be wooed, so having Duncan, Robinson and possibly Aldridge (offering his perspective as a prominent outsider who signed here) to help recruit can't hurt and most importantly, they can offer a role that'll allow him to put up the counting stats to receive more attention for accolades if the team is playing well.

Raptors: He'd be buried in terms of offensive pecking order behind 3-4 players (and that's with Anunoby presumably being offered) and because of that it's doubtful they'd offer the max.

Maxing a player that can't get you where you want to go isn't taking a risk...it's just throwing away the immediate future...nothing more...

In this market/situation, this is what cap space is for (of course you'd like to do better, but good luck with that).

This would still be a fluid situation with upward mobility so long as the youth isn't a collective bust.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 03:54 PM

I don't think the Spurs will be interested, but I'd like their chances if they are . . .

Hawks: Young will always be the face of the franchise, is close with Capela and they're supposedly not interested in offering the max.

Pistons: Givony said on the Lowe Post that he's always conceived of himself as a a PF, so having (for now) Stewart and Duren might actually make them more appealing, but there's speculation Bridges is their target.

Spurs: Givony also said he wants to be wooed, so having Duncan, Robinson and possibly Aldridge (offering his perspective as a prominent outsider who signed here) to help recruit can't hurt and most importantly, they can offer a role that'll allow him to put up the counting stats to receive more attention for accolades if the team is playing well.

Raptors: He'd be buried in terms of offensive pecking order behind 3-4 players (and that's with Anunoby presumably being offered) and because of that it's doubtful they'd offer the max.

In this market/situation, this is what cap space is for (of course you'd like to do better, but good luck with that).

This would still be a fluid situation with upward mobility so long as the youth isn't a collective bust.

It depends on how you define better. I think maxing Ayton makes us a perennial 7-10 seed.... I think there are several paths that are 'better' that are attainable ..

TD 21

06-26-2022, 04:02 PM

It depends on how you define better. I think maxing Ayton makes us a perennial 7-10 seed.... I think there are several paths that are 'better' that are attainable ..

Just depends on how the youth would develop, but it's not like they'd be unable to pivot.

There's one and they refuse to take it so it's either this or hoping to draft a player as good or preferably better, which is not easy to do picking in the late lottery perennilly.

R. DeMurre

06-26-2022, 04:12 PM

mo7888

06-26-2022, 04:17 PM

Just depends on how the youth would develop, but it's not like they'd be unable to pivot.

There's one and they refuse to take it so it's either this or hoping to draft a player as good or preferably better, which is not easy to do picking in the late lottery perennilly.

I agree with that...and if we are going to treadmill in the late lottery then maxing Ayton probably doesn't help or hurt that cause... if we want to really increase our chances at drafting that 'better' player then we have to trade away a few guys for more lottery balls in 23 when the top of the draft is incredibly deep. I think that's better than maxing ayton and hoping that one of our late lottery picks strikes gold.

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 04:20 PM

Yeah, nobody is saying that Ayton is Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Towns, etc., but despite what various catch all metrics indicate, he's not Poeltl either.

He's much more versatile (vertical spacer, who can post switches, with a passable and improving jumper and switch ability), is only going on 24 and has already proven he's matchup proof in the playoffs.

For an organization that refuses to bottom out and can't attract stars in free agency (Aldridge was for family reasons + the chance to play for a perennial contender), this is a rare opportunity and one that shouldn't be passed up because he wants a % of the cap (25 as opposed to 20ish) which is negligible in roster building.

I agree Ayton ain't Poeltl, but I also think he's much better defensively than the numbers suggest. They also seem to think that he won't further improve his game. A starting five of

Murray/Vassell/Keldon/J. Collins/Ayton

has not only no defensive holes (with Keldon being the only neutral defender), but this are also 5 players who can all give you 20 points per game and the oldest of them is DJ being 25. People need to think how good that line up might be 3 years down the line when everybody enters their prime, especially in a weak west where most of the star players are on the wrong side of 30.

The bench would most likely be

Jones/Branham/Primo/Sochan/Z. Collins with 3 players on rookie deals which saves a lot of cap space.

Moving Poeltl, J-Rich, Langford and McDermott would free up another 40 million. Paying Keldon won't be a problem. Vassell's and DJ's extensions won't kick in until 2024. At that point Ayton and John Collins would have 2 years left on their contracts, so moving any of them in the future shouldn't be an issue either.

With 2 years left on DJ's contract right now it makes sense for the Spurs to take on these deals and become more top heavy.

TD 21

06-26-2022, 04:24 PM

I'm warming up to the idea of Ayton-- not because I love him as a fit or as a major piece, though I think he's overall a solid net positive and surprisingly still only 23-- but because he can be an asset in a trade further on down the road if he doesn't work out. If a true #1 option/star becomes available in the next two or three years, a trade package of something like Ayton + KJ + FRP would be a pretty alluring offer to most teams. I'd say at this point to offer Ayton the max but not agree to a sign a trade involving Poeltl. Part of the advantage of signing Ayton would to then trade Poeltl available to upgrade in other areas.

Exactly . . . but if Poeltl and a 1st of some sort aren't offered, the Suns will just match.

They're not going to let an asset of this caliber go for free just because they don't want him at that max and it'd be awkward next season while they were stuck with him. In the meantime, there's other avenues to duck the tax and they'd have up until the trade deadline to do so.

I agree with that...and if we are going to treadmill in the late lottery then maxing Ayton probably doesn't help or hurt that cause... if we want to really increase our chances at drafting that 'better' player then we have to trade away a few guys for more lottery balls in 23 when the top of the draft is incredibly deep. I think that's better than maxing ayton and hoping that one of our late lottery picks strikes gold.

Sure, but there's never been an indication that they're prepared to do that. The Murray talk was probably so that they could attempt to parlay Collins and 9 into 4 to draft Ivey. I don't see them being as amendable to a package of random picks.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 04:24 PM

I agree Ayton ain't Poeltl, but I also think he's much better defensively than the numbers suggest. They also seem to think that he won't further improve his game. A starting five of

Murray/Vassell/Keldon/J. Collins/Ayton

has not only no defensive holes (with Keldon being the only neutral defender), but this are also 5 players who can all give you 20 points per game and the oldest of them is DJ being 25. People need to think how good that line up might be 3 years down the line when everybody enters their prime, especially in a weak west where most of the star players are on the wrong side of 30.

The bench would most likely be

Jones/Branham/Primo/Sochan/Z. Collins with 3 players on rookie deals which saves a lot of cap space.

Moving Poeltl, J-Rich, Langford and McDermott would free up another 40 million. Paying Keldon won't be a problem. Vassell's and DJ's extensions won't kick in until 2024. At that point Ayton and John Collins would have 2 years left on their contracts, so moving any of them in the future shouldn't be an issue either.

With 2 years left on DJ's contract right now it makes sense for the Spurs to take on these deals and become more top heavy.

I prefer moving DJ and Jak for picks and making a run for a top 6 pick in this upcoming draft but, If were dead set on missing out on the top of this draft then your lineup is probably about as good as we can do..

mo7888

06-26-2022, 04:28 PM

Exactly . . . but if Poeltl and a 1st of some sort aren't offered, the Suns will just match.

They're not going to let an asset of this caliber go for free just because they don't want him at that max and it'd be awkward next season while they were stuck with him. In the meantime, there's other avenues to duck the tax and they'd have up until the trade deadline to do so.

Sure, but there's never been an indication that they're prepared to do that. The Murray talk was probably so that they could attempt to parlay Collins and 9 into 4 to draft Ivey. I don't see them being as amendable to a package of random picks.

I can't argue that there's been no indication that they're prepared to do that...my argument is that I believe they should do that though. I think we'll know in a couple weeks for sure though if we're dead set on skipping this upcoming draft..

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 04:30 PM

Silverheart80

06-26-2022, 04:30 PM

It depends on how you define better. I think maxing Ayton makes us a perennial 7-10 seed.... I think there are several paths that are 'better' that are attainable ..

I completely agree with this. Not interested in the Spurs becoming a perennial 7-10 seed. Object of the game is championships. Ayton may be a former #1 pick, but he's also the guy that quit on his team and his coach in Game 7. No thanks.

Would be a panic move to give him a max. Spurs still wouldn't be adding a go-to scorer in clutch moments. He's not the guy.

I think the path to future championships for the Spurs is dictated by next year's ping pong balls + whatever the GM does in the 2023 free agency period + ongoing development of the young guys. Meanwhile, this is a 'stand pat and develop' year, if all goes well.

TD 21

06-26-2022, 04:33 PM

mo7888

06-26-2022, 04:38 PM

I just don't see the reason to tank for another 5 years

I don't think we've tanked the last 5 years....and going forward I would hope we'd only tank for next season...

Silverheart80

06-26-2022, 04:49 PM

I don't think we've tanked the last 5 years....and going forward I would hope we'd only tank for next season...

Yeah, in fact, I think it could be argued that the losing has gone this long because we *haven't* tanked. I'm confident Pop will not tank this coming season either. But that's where this unwieldy, unbalanced roster kinda does the 'tanking' instead. So the guys can just 'play the right way', play to win, but in the end, there's not enough talent to create consistent mismatches at this point.

I do think if the Spurs don't pick up a free agent or veteran that raises their win ceiling this summer, we're on the right path and -- again, depending on how well the '23 draft and free agency goes -- this could very likely be the last season of losing for a long while.

The more we lose this season, the better our chances to move toward a championship path in the seasons to come. Just hope the GM doesn't panic this summer. Trust the process.

Dejounte

06-26-2022, 05:08 PM

Just like how OKC and HOU’s losing has gone this long because they haven’t tanked? Oh wait…

LeBowen

06-26-2022, 05:14 PM

Our entire roster is yet to enter their primes, how many more picks do we need? It just creates a losing culture.

I'm onboard with the Ayton and one of Collins or OG suggestions. Would instantly make us a playoff team and everyone in that lineup would still have a lot of room to improve.

If you want another 5 years of tanking, watch Presti.

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 05:30 PM

I don't think we've tanked the last 5 years....and going forward I would hope we'd only tank for next season...

and then start a bunch of 19 year olds to make the playoffs? They will need 4 years to get there

Degoat

06-26-2022, 05:36 PM

The more I think about it, Spurs should go all in on Ayton. Only 23 years old and has improved every year.

A core of Ayton/Sochan/KJ/Dev/Dj is pretty sick! Plus Primo, Wesley, Branham

mo7888

06-26-2022, 05:46 PM

and then start a bunch of 19 year olds to make the playoffs? They will need 4 years to get there

Yep...but if we strike gold with Wembanyama we have a championship window ahead...if we get top six were 2 years away from where we are now with more upside...I just think that's a calculated risk worth taking...

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 05:53 PM

He is. The guy just anchored a small, unathletic Suns team to the 3rd best defense in the league.

Collins is a neutral-worse defender and getting both isn't realistic.

I understand. I'm just saying, given that they're not, I don't see a better alternative.

I agree that it‘s unrealistic to get both, just saying it technically could be possible. I‘m good with one of Ayton, John Collins or OG. They at the top of my wishlist

BackHome

06-26-2022, 05:55 PM

I am for only two things go in all in for Ayton offer Max or trade some players and keep the kids in G League and hard tank and pray we get a top 3.

Collins Sucks....................:nope

BacktoBasics

06-26-2022, 05:57 PM

I prefer moving DJ and Jak for picks and making a run for a top 6 pick in this upcoming draft but, If were dead set on missing out on the top of this draft then your lineup is probably about as good as we can do..
There is no reason to roll the dice to this magnitude. When you have something that solid and proven as those two you gotta respect that.

DJ isn’t way out of the timeline and with him we’re only a good player away from the playoffs.

Way too much invested in him, high production, defensive oriented and way too good of a contract. We’d be lucky to get that hood of a pg with a 3-6 picks.

Poodle on the other hand is worth moving for something interesting. Way easier to replace.

objective

06-26-2022, 06:04 PM

If Ayton had problems with Monty and just wanted to play video games all night instead of getting sleep then I find it hard to believe that he and Pop would be a good match

LeBowen

06-26-2022, 06:12 PM

Ayton obviously has some serious skills in the post, but Phoenix turned him into Capela.
There were even some reports about CP not trusting him in key moments and he rarely got the ball unless he was wide open.

Horribly misused.
He's obviously not the next superstar big, but he can easily be a parennial all-star in the right system.

As for tanking for #1, forget about it.
Even if we trade away all the assets, we're not finishing below shit-tier teams.
And even if somehow happens, nothing is guaranteed in the lottery.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 06:15 PM

There is no reason to roll the dice to this magnitude. When you have something that solid and proven as those two you gotta respect that.

DJ isn’t way out of the timeline and with him we’re only a good player away from the playoffs.

Way too much invested in him, high production, defensive oriented and way too good of a contract. We’d be lucky to get that hood of a pg with a 3-6 picks.

Poodle on the other hand is worth moving for something interesting. Way easier to replace.

With the talent that's in this draft I think it's worth the gamble...next years draft isn't like this year's draft it's much higher level guys in the top 6..

Mr. Body

06-26-2022, 06:16 PM

If Ayton had problems with Monty and just wanted to play video games all night instead of getting sleep then I find it hard to believe that he and Pop would be a good match

And there it is.

Degoat

06-26-2022, 06:18 PM

If Ayton had problems with Monty and just wanted to play video games all night instead of getting sleep then I find it hard to believe that he and Pop would be a good match

Pop ain’t gonna be here much longer tho, but I agree lol

Degoat

06-26-2022, 06:19 PM

Watch the spurs still go after Colin Sexton after drafting two guards, watch it happen lol

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 06:26 PM

With the talent that's in this draft I think it's worth the gamble...next years draft isn't like this year's draft it's much higher level guys in the top 6..

when's the last time we had a top 6 pick?

tonight...you

06-26-2022, 06:47 PM

when's the last time we had a top 6 pick?
Tim

BacktoBasics

06-26-2022, 07:14 PM

when's the last time we had a top 6 pick?

In the last 5 years what percentage of top 6 picks put up numbers and had a defensive presence consistent or better than DJ.

It makes no sense. We’d be thrilled if a top 6 pick turned out as good as DJ. But we gotta move him to roll the dice again on the off chance we land something better.

That wasn’t necessarily directed to you. I just latched into your post for convenience.

scott

06-26-2022, 07:22 PM

I agree Ayton ain't Poeltl, but I also think he's much better defensively than the numbers suggest. They also seem to think that he won't further improve his game. A starting five of

Murray/Vassell/Keldon/J. Collins/Ayton

has not only no defensive holes (with Keldon being the only neutral defender), but this are also 5 players who can all give you 20 points per game and the oldest of them is DJ being 25. People need to think how good that line up might be 3 years down the line when everybody enters their prime, especially in a weak west where most of the star players are on the wrong side of 30.

The bench would most likely be

Jones/Branham/Primo/Sochan/Z. Collins with 3 players on rookie deals which saves a lot of cap space.

Moving Poeltl, J-Rich, Langford and McDermott would free up another 40 million. Paying Keldon won't be a problem. Vassell's and DJ's extensions won't kick in until 2024. At that point Ayton and John Collins would have 2 years left on their contracts, so moving any of them in the future shouldn't be an issue either.

With 2 years left on DJ's contract right now it makes sense for the Spurs to take on these deals and become more top heavy.

While I’m generally a no on Ayton, this is a good sales pitch that has me more interested

Dverde

06-26-2022, 07:24 PM

Any interest in TJ Warren? He’s been fragile lately. May be a bargain buy.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 07:26 PM

when's the last time we had a top 6 pick?

I think it was when we drafted the guy who led us to 5 titles...I'd like to try and emulate that with this draft..

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 08:01 PM

I think it was when we drafted the guy who led us to 5 titles...I'd like to try and emulate that with this draft..

I know, but there‘s no chance. Spurs won‘t out tank the tanking teams. And Pop damn sure won‘t throw games. Vassell will make a huge leap. Primo will make one. Keldon will be better as well as Trae Jones and Zach Collins. Spurs would probably wind up with the 9th pick again

mo7888

06-26-2022, 08:06 PM

I know, but there‘s no chance. Spurs won‘t out tank the tanking teams. And Pop damn sure won‘t throw games. Vassell will make a huge leap. Primo will make one. Keldon will be better as well as Trae Jones and Zach Collins. Spurs would probably wind up with the 9th pick again

Without Jak and DJ this is a bottom 5 and probably bottom 3 team in the league...if we can somehow get Sacramento's first next year in the DJ trade (JC going to Sacramento) then we could even have more ping pong balls in there...

I understand wanting to build around DJ and I thought we should have last week but didn't so I assume the FO doesn't see a championship path they can take with this roster so we'd be better off going for a real generational talent next year.

talkspurs

06-26-2022, 08:10 PM

With the talent that's in this draft I think it's worth the gamble...next years draft isn't like this year's draft it's much higher level guys in the top 6..

Who are these top 6 as Sharp I thought was top 3 next year and he went 7th in this years draft.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 08:13 PM

CGD

06-26-2022, 08:14 PM

Without Jak and DJ this is a bottom 5 and probably bottom 3 team in the league...if we can somehow get Sacramento's first next year in the DJ trade (JC going to Sacramento) then we could even have more ping pong balls in there...

I understand wanting to build around DJ and I thought we should have last week but didn't so I assume the FO doesn't see a championship path they can take with this roster so we'd be better off going for a real generational talent next year.

I don’t see a deal with ATL that causes SAC to relinquish an unprotected 2023 pick and results in DJ leaving the Spurs. Seems like something ATL really really really wants, but the other partners are less excited about.

Now if they’re just eager to move Collins, I can see something like this:

SAS: Collins; Nerlens
NYK: Romeo; KBD; Landale (all waivable)
ATL: FRP 2023 via Knicks; Richardson; Doug

mo7888

06-26-2022, 08:17 PM

I don’t see a deal with ATL that causes SAC to relinquish an unprotected 2023 pick and results in DJ leaving the Spurs. Seems like something ATL really really really wants, but the other partners are less excited about.

Now if they’re just eager to move Collins, I can see something like this:

SAS: Collins; Nerlens
NYK: Romeo; KBD; Landale (all waivable)
ATL: FRP 2023 via Knicks; Richardson; Doug

Sacramento was pretty high on Collins last week so I don't see what would have changed that but, you're right there's probably a deal involving the Knicks that makes sense as well.

slick'81

06-26-2022, 08:22 PM

talkspurs

06-26-2022, 08:27 PM

mo7888

06-26-2022, 08:33 PM

I can pull up the top 6 of any draft doesnt mean they are good. The thompson twins were thought to be top 40 recruits out of HS.

It doesn't mean they're good but most talent evaluators have all 6 above anyone in last weeks draft...so you either go with the upside that could be elite or stick with a good young defensive pg who's near his peak... I don't see a path to a championship with what we have do I'd go for the elite talent and hopefully get two from that group.

Ariel

06-26-2022, 08:48 PM

I can pull up the top 6 of any draft doesnt mean they are good. The thompson twins were thought to be top 40 recruits out of HS.
Yup. If you'd have asked last last year for a top 6, many would have had Sharpe, Baldwin Jr., Hardy, TyTy Washington Caleb Houstan and Peyton Watson
Rarely can you project accurately with a year of development left at their age, except for a chosen few (Anthony Davis, Chet, Banchero... now Wembanyama.)

talkspurs

06-26-2022, 09:32 PM

It doesn't mean they're good but most talent evaluators have all 6 above anyone in last weeks draft...so you either go with the upside that could be elite or stick with a good young defensive pg who's near his peak... I don't see a path to a championship with what we have do I'd go for the elite talent and hopefully get two from that group.

I have seen some list the 2023 draft as better but they also listed sharp high. If he went 7th here what does that say for the rest of the draft. Obviously some will be better but some will be worse as well.

I agree with the two paths to a championship but getting rid of an all star who has not even hit his prime I do not think is the right decision especially when the player we draft next year may not even end up being where DJ is now. Also add to the fact that wherever we trade DJ to would get better so the pick may not be high. (our pick would get better though).

One thing we really differ on is I see a path to a championship with DJ and it is not as far off as many people want to believe.

RC_Drunkford

06-26-2022, 09:38 PM

I don’t see a deal with ATL that causes SAC to relinquish an unprotected 2023 pick and results in DJ leaving the Spurs. Seems like something ATL really really really wants, but the other partners are less excited about.

Now if they’re just eager to move Collins, I can see something like this:

SAS: Collins; Nerlens
NYK: Romeo; KBD; Landale (all waivable)
ATL: FRP 2023 via Knicks; Richardson; Doug

it‘s probably the Spurs asking about Collins and ATL tryin to somehow get DJ out of it I assume. Who knows

mo7888

06-26-2022, 09:40 PM

I have seen some list the 2023 draft as better but they also listed sharp high. If he went 7th here what does that say for the rest of the draft. Obviously some will be better but some will be worse as well.

I agree with the two paths to a championship but getting rid of an all star who has not even hit his prime I do not think is the right decision especially when the player we draft next year may not even end up being where DJ is now. Also add to the fact that wherever we trade DJ to would get better so the pick may not be high. (our pick would get better though).

One thing we really differ on is I see a path to a championship with DJ and it is not as far off as many people want to believe.

Yes we differ on the path to a championship with DJ..you could be correct..

tonight...you

06-26-2022, 09:51 PM

TD 21

06-26-2022, 11:09 PM

Sacramento was pretty high on Collins last week so I don't see what would have changed that but, you're right there's probably a deal involving the Knicks that makes sense as well.

I'd imagine drafting Murray 4th overall changed it entirely.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 11:12 PM

I'd imagine drafting Murray 4th overall changed it entirely.

I thought about that but it seems to me they felt like Collins could get them to the playoffs (although I think they're wrong) and Murray isn't going to help much with that as a starter in year 1.

TD 21

06-26-2022, 11:19 PM

I thought about that but it seems to me they felt like Collins could get them to the playoffs (although I think they're wrong) and Murray isn't going to help much with that as a starter in year 1.

I know he's a rookie, but Murray is only 3 years younger than Collins.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 11:23 PM

I know he's a rookie, but Murray is only 3 years younger than Collins.

Yes and I think he'll be better longterm but Collins has several years experience on Murray at this level which is pretty valuable if you're looking at it from the short term perspective.

TD 21

06-26-2022, 11:26 PM

Yes and I think he'll be better longterm but Collins has several years experience on Murray at this level which is pretty valuable if you're looking at it from the short term perspective.

Agreed. I just have a hard time believing they'd draft a plug and play PF at 4 and still give up their '23 lightly protected 1st for another one, especially when they've already got an overpriced backup C in Holmes and should want Barnes to still be able to play some PF.

Also, the Spurs are supposedly doing "intel" on Collins.

mo7888

06-26-2022, 11:42 PM

Agreed. I just have a hard time believing they'd draft a plug and play PF at 4 and still give up their '23 lightly protected 1st for another one, especially when they've already got an overpriced backup C in Holmes and should want Barnes to still be able to play some PF.

Also, the Spurs are supposedly doing "intel" on Collins.

I have to admit the 'Spurs doing Intel of Collins' does lend to your view that Sacramento may be less interested with Keegan in tow.... but on the other hand...this is the Kings were talking about...so...

JPB

06-27-2022, 01:43 AM

In the last 5 years what percentage of top 6 picks put up numbers and had a defensive presence consistent or better than DJ.

It makes no sense. We’d be thrilled if a top 6 pick turned out as good as DJ. But we gotta move him to roll the dice again on the off chance we land something better.

That wasn’t necessarily directed to you. I just latched into your post for convenience.

C'mon, don't you know the next pick is always the new Jordan?

slick'81

06-27-2022, 01:46 AM

C'mon, don't you know the next pick is always the new Jordan?

funny ,most spurs fans here scoff at any idea of "tanking" . Now it seems were begging for it

Mr. Body

06-27-2022, 02:39 AM

funny ,most spurs fans here scoff at any idea of "tanking" . Now it seems were begging for it

I think it's just the same people

ragas

06-27-2022, 04:01 AM

Spurs aren't trading Poeltl before giving him a new contract.

cutewizard

06-27-2022, 04:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU9goxmq9So

exstatic

06-27-2022, 09:06 AM

If Durant truly becomes available, could the Spurs put together a competitive trade package? Would you even want them to? Would you move Murray, Johnson, future picks, and salary filler?

To do so, there would be nothing left. It would be Durant and 12 gleaguers.

stephen jackson

06-27-2022, 10:51 AM

We ain’t doing shit

Dex

06-27-2022, 11:54 AM

In general off-season news....

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For the record, I want no part of Kyrie on the Spurs.

mo7888

06-27-2022, 12:06 PM

In general off-season news....

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For the record, I want no part of Kyrie on the Spurs.

This morning Woj said that as of now only the Lakers have shown interest from the list kyrie presented Brooklyn and the Nets want now of what the lakers have to offer.

BatManu20

06-27-2022, 12:13 PM

In case y’all wanted to see the worst hypothetical trade proposal from B/R.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWRbt0XWQAIoaed?format=jpg&name=900x900

CGD

06-27-2022, 12:20 PM

In case y’all wanted to see the worst hypothetical trade proposal from B/R.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWRbt0XWQAIoaed?format=jpg&name=900x900

I want nothing to do with him, but thsts probably close to what he’d command TBH.

RC_Drunkford

06-27-2022, 12:22 PM

I don't like Kyrie leaving. Smells like some type of super team getting formed again

poopbox

06-27-2022, 12:33 PM

Remember when Kyrie was in Cleveland and the number one team he wanted to be traded to was the Spurs :lol

Imagine him and Pop last year when Kyrie wasn't vaccinated :lol

KingKev

06-27-2022, 01:09 PM

In case y’all wanted to see the worst hypothetical trade proposal from B/R.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWRbt0XWQAIoaed?format=jpg&name=900x900

Basically what we want for DJ lol.

Two FRPs and I’d consider it tbh but you can probably get more breaking that haul apart. Getting rid of McBooger costs 2SRPs alone keep in mind.

spurraider21

06-27-2022, 01:27 PM

In case y’all wanted to see the worst hypothetical trade proposal from B/R.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWRbt0XWQAIoaed?format=jpg&name=900x900
looks steep, but if you want to land a star like that without also giving up dejounte/poeltl, thats probably the ask i'd expect. i wouldnt go for it though. its not like getting this trade done turns us into contenders, and then we sacrifice our ability to improve the roster going forward

now... is Murray/Mitchell/Vassell/Sochan/Ayton a contending lineup? probably not. plus our bench would be a lot thinner after a move like this

KingKev

06-27-2022, 01:36 PM

I don't like Kyrie leaving. Smells like some type of super team getting formed again

A potentially motivated Kyrie, especially now that the bag is less secure could be a monster again. Not advocating for him but there are some situations where I could see him being right back to winning.

Mr. Body

06-27-2022, 01:42 PM

In general off-season news....

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For the record, I want no part of Kyrie on the Spurs.

Brooklyn knows what's up. No team is likely to s&t for him and they let him do all the work.

KingKev

06-27-2022, 01:50 PM

Brooklyn knows what's up. No team is likely to s&t for him and they let him do all the work.

The difference between him and other nut jobs like Harden and Simmons is he can still play when he wants to. If he is Smart he finds the right situation and balls out. Gets his next and probably final max level deal.

JPB

06-27-2022, 02:33 PM

I want nothing to do with him, but thsts probably close to what he’d command TBH.

Don't know, that's basically 5 first round picks with Keldon and Josh.

JPB

06-27-2022, 02:35 PM

looks steep, but if you want to land a star like that without also giving up dejounte/poeltl, thats probably the ask i'd expect. i wouldnt go for it though. its not like getting this trade done turns us into contenders, and then we sacrifice our ability to improve the roster going forward

now... is Murray/Mitchell/Vassell/Sochan/Ayton a contending lineup? probably not. plus our bench would be a lot thinner after a move like this

I'd never do a trade where I'd to give 3 FRPs (not to mention 2 developing young). The guy gets injured, loses interest or whatever and you're funcked.

Dex

06-27-2022, 02:50 PM

This morning Woj said that as of now only the Lakers have shown interest from the list kyrie presented Brooklyn and the Nets want now of what the lakers have to offer.

Lakers are banking on the hopes that Kyrie will give up $30M to reunite with his buddy LeBron.

I don't blame them...landing a guy like Irving for $6M sounds crazy but the talks are apparently happening. They don't have any other assets to improve and seem to be stuck with Westbrook.

Sadly, I wouldn't rule it out yet.

Dex

06-27-2022, 02:52 PM

I don't like Kyrie leaving. Smells like some type of super team getting formed again

That's what we thought when the Nets formed, and they've won a single playoff series with their "superteam"

Now Harden is in Philly, Kyrie is forcing his way out, they are stuck with the head case of Ben Simmons, and Durant is coming to the Spurs :hungry:

mo7888

06-27-2022, 02:57 PM

Lakers are banking on the hopes that Kyrie will give up $30M to reunite with his buddy LeBron.

I don't blame them...landing a guy like Irving for $6M sounds crazy but the talks are apparently happening. They don't have any other assets to improve and seem to be stuck with Westbrook.

Sadly, I wouldn't rule it out yet.

It's hard for me to see a player giving up $30M to play on that lakers team.. but its kyrie so who knows...

RC_Drunkford

06-27-2022, 03:02 PM

That's what we thought when the Nets formed, and they've won a single playoff series with their "superteam"

Now Harden is in Philly, Kyrie is forcing his way out, they are stuck with the head case of Ben Simmons, and Durant is coming to the Spurs :hungry:

KD will probably go back to the Warriors and I could actually see Kyrie playing for the Lakers for 6 million, because they the Lakers. I hope they both stay in the East

Dex

06-27-2022, 03:02 PM

It's hard for me to see a player giving up $30M to play on that lakers team.. but its kyrie so who knows...

LOL exactly.

Also wouldn't be surprised if suddenly Kyrie had some new Uncle Drew movie being greenlit by LeBron's movie studio or some other shady bullshit like that :rolleyes

mo7888

06-27-2022, 03:06 PM

LOL exactly.

Also wouldn't be surprised if suddenly Kyrie had some new Uncle Drew movie being greenlit by LeBron's movie studio or some other shady bullshit like that :rolleyes

Lol..not a bad idea...he's probably more entertaining as Uncle Drew than himself these days anyway...at least people would be laughing with him instead of at him(flat earth takes)...

BillMc

06-27-2022, 04:00 PM

This morning Woj said that as of now only the Lakers have shown interest from the list kyrie presented Brooklyn and the Nets want now of what the lakers have to offer.

Westbrook being traded is almost an annual event these days.

spurraider21

06-27-2022, 04:29 PM

we had the blair/bonner turd towers

we had the mills/forbes smurfs

next we'll need a nickname for mcdermott/gallinari lineups :lol

T Park

06-27-2022, 05:03 PM

we had the blair/bonner turd towers

we had the mills/forbes smurfs

next we'll need a nickname for mcdermott/gallinari lineups :lol

If this happens Gallinari isn’t sticking around

T Park

06-27-2022, 05:14 PM

we had the blair/bonner turd towers

we had the mills/forbes smurfs

next we'll need a nickname for mcdermott/gallinari lineups :lol

If this happens Gallinari isn’t sticking around

spurraider21

06-27-2022, 05:16 PM

Westbrook being traded is almost an annual event these days.
while true, i have to imagine that this will be the first time (long overdue) that he'll be treated as a negative asset

KingKev

06-27-2022, 05:18 PM

we had the blair/bonner turd towers

we had the mills/forbes smurfs

next we'll need a nickname for mcdermott/gallinari lineups :lol

Seriously. I’m sure they are also gauging interest on Joe Ingles and his rehab process. 3yrs 40mm pending…

KingKev

06-27-2022, 05:19 PM

Dex

06-27-2022, 05:41 PM

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Well, that answers that at least. Probably still gonna try to force Brooklyn to trade him but he grabbin' that bag on the way out the door.

Dex

06-27-2022, 05:41 PM

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Well, that answers that at least. Probably still gonna try to force Brooklyn to trade him but he grabbin' that bag on the way out the door.

RC_Drunkford

06-27-2022, 05:43 PM

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Well, that answers that at least. Probably still gonna try to force Brooklyn to trade him but he grabbin' that bag on the way out the door.

I expected that to happen tbh. Play a full season, maybe get an All-NBA nomination to be supermax eligible, play the market when more teams got cap space and the Lakers can move on from Westbrook. He'll probably join LeBron again.

Mugen

06-27-2022, 05:43 PM

Kyrie is a dumb dude, but he isn't dumb enough to give up 30+mil tbh :lol

KingKev

06-27-2022, 05:55 PM

KingKev

06-27-2022, 05:55 PM

Chomag

06-27-2022, 06:15 PM

Every sport outlet that I have seen calls Ayton a top free agent , it's only here on Spurstalk that I see are calling him a scrub. Per par

BackHome

06-27-2022, 06:15 PM

Geez I know Servers are slow but just enter once on post...:downspin:

RC_Drunkford

06-27-2022, 06:29 PM

Every sport outlet that I have seen calls Ayton a top free agent , it's only here on Spurstalk that I see are calling him a scrub. Per par

there are only about 10 players in the NBA that spurstalkers would want on their team. Everybody else is a scrub according to them

tonight...you

06-27-2022, 06:33 PM

Dex

06-27-2022, 06:43 PM

Geez I know Servers are slow but just enter once on post...:downspin:

I did! And then I couldn't go back and edit or delete later

That hamster must be getting tired

TimDunkem

06-27-2022, 06:43 PM

there are only about 10 players in the NBA that spurstalkers would want on their team. Everybody else is a scrub according to them
Unless you're a sniffer on the level of ATL Spur and are enthusiastic about every single move the FO makes.

Mugen

06-27-2022, 06:51 PM

Unless you're a sniffer on the level of ATL Spur and are enthusiastic about every single move the FO makes.

:lol Pop could bring back Jeff Ayres and that nerd would defend it tbh

tbdog

06-27-2022, 07:19 PM

My theory is nets get turner, using sixers picks and go for the championship.

timtonymanu

06-27-2022, 07:21 PM

:lol Pop could bring back Jeff Ayres and that nerd would defend it tbh

Is Jeff Ayres the next Anthony Davis?

Chinook

06-27-2022, 07:57 PM

Irving is a perfect fit for what guard the Spurs need next to Murray. but it's such an obvious win-now move that the Spurs giving up assets for him would be counter-productive. They'd be part of a big three, and not getting that third star sinks it. I'm not even sure maxing Ayton and getting him free and clear and still trading for Irving would be a superior plan. A win-now Spurs is much easier to pull off by using cap space on a guard and trading for a big than the other way around.

CGD

06-27-2022, 08:02 PM

How much do we think Spurs get from Knicks for taking on 36M of Fournier?

Chinook

06-27-2022, 08:05 PM

How much do we think Spurs get from Knicks for taking on 36M of Fournier?

Fuck it, I'd ask for Duren. The Knicks still own his rights. But that guy for no discernable reason. Saves them way more than the Pistons are to taking Kemba. Shit take him too.

CGD

06-27-2022, 08:20 PM

Fuck it, I'd ask for Duren. The Knicks still own his rights. But that guy for no discernable reason. Saves them way more than the Pistons are to taking Kemba. Shit take him too.

I assumed the Duren to Detroit things was a done deal?

If the Brunson interest is real, I’d happy be a dumping ground for Nerlen and Fournier in the hopes of snagging the much bandied about 3 FRPs the Knicks acquired to open space for him.

RC_Drunkford

06-27-2022, 08:50 PM

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Wall just got bought out by the Rockets. Clippers the favorites now

KingKev

06-27-2022, 09:16 PM

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Wall just got bought out by the Rockets. Clippers the favorites now

They look scary on paper if healthy.

KingKev

06-27-2022, 09:17 PM

> also Lakers aren’t even buyout destination anymore haha.

Ice009

06-27-2022, 09:17 PM

They want to get rid of Collins to make room for Hunter

So the Spurs are after Hunter?

Dex

06-27-2022, 09:32 PM

They look scary on paper if healthy.

Well it’s Wall, Paul, and Nephew so the healthy part is out the window

Joseph Kony

06-27-2022, 09:40 PM

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Wall just got bought out by the Rockets. Clippers the favorites now
Clippers would already be the favorites if healthy. Problem is their two stars are made of glass and are never healthy anyway

T Park

06-27-2022, 11:03 PM

So the Spurs are after Hunter?

If there was even a hint he’d be available I can guarantee they would be. So would every other team.

Mr. Body

06-27-2022, 11:20 PM

Is De'Andre Hunter that good? His advanced metrics are atrocious.

mo7888

06-27-2022, 11:24 PM

Is De'Andre Hunter that good? His advanced metrics are atrocious.

When healthy he's pretty good...therein lies the rub...

BG_Spurs_Fan

06-28-2022, 02:07 AM

To out these runours into context from so called connected twitter NBA analysts who flunked out of community college…

Earlier this afternoon it was reported Kyrie may opt out to sign for the bi-annual exception with the Lakers. Hours later he opts in. These muppets aren’t connected and don’t know anything more then ppl on this board. If anything their twitter followings make them more useless.

A guy like timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) is actually connected which is probably why he doesn't have twitter fingers. If he was spouting off and front running on twitter with intel he collected you really think insiders would still fk with him?

I think the context for these twitter 'sources' should be that information or disinformation is leaked for a reason - leverage, pressure, etc. Woj, Shams and others are mouthpieces for certain groups. They're fed whatever their sources want out and it very well could deliberately be wrong at times. They may even know it's wrong but still tweet it in order to preserve their connections.

tbdog

06-28-2022, 02:31 AM

Spurs will sign hartenstein for 12 to 14 Mil per. Then Poeltl gets traded. That's my only take

Ignazzz

06-28-2022, 03:19 AM

Spurs will sign hartenstein for 12 to 14 Mil per. Then Poeltl gets traded. That's my only take

well very similar production per 36 ms
younger & better +20) FT% assists and steals/ weaker Rebounder and bigest concern foulprone

KingKev

06-28-2022, 03:35 AM

I think the context for these twitter 'sources' should be that information or disinformation is leaked for a reason - leverage, pressure, etc. Woj, Shams and others are mouthpieces for certain groups. They're fed whatever their sources want out and it very well could deliberately be wrong at times. They may even know it's wrong but still tweet it in order to preserve their connections.

Great point. Still some of these lesser known guys are just clowns in my opinion.

BG_Spurs_Fan

06-28-2022, 03:46 AM

Great point. Still some of these lesser known guys are just clowns in my opinion.

I agree. Clicks and followers are everything apparently.

spurspl

06-28-2022, 04:47 AM

small ball welcome to?:

atl: djm
tor:poeltl jrich frp (chi) frp (atl)
sas: onyeka, hunter, og anunoby

primo/tre/branham
vassell/lonnie
og/keldon
hunter/sochan
onyeka/zollins/landale

KingKev

06-28-2022, 04:56 AM

Robz4000

06-28-2022, 05:52 AM

Dex

06-28-2022, 07:52 AM

well very similar production per 36 ms
younger & better +20) FT% assists and steals/ weaker Rebounder and bigest concern foulprone

More foul prone than Poeltl? That would almost be impressive...I can't even remember how many times Jak got sat last year after picking up two early fouls

Ignazzz

06-28-2022, 07:56 AM

Yes
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=harteis01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=poeltja01&p2yrfrom=2022

per 100 poss
6,7 vs 5,2 fouls
5 fouls per 36

Dex

06-28-2022, 08:07 AM

Yes
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=harteis01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=poeltja01&p2yrfrom=2022

per 100 poss
6,7 vs 5,2 fouls
5 fouls per 36

Yeah, big yikes right there...especially for the Spurs, in particular, who preach not fouling

CGD

06-28-2022, 10:03 AM

small ball welcome to?:

atl: djm
tor:poeltl jrich frp (chi) frp (atl)
sas: onyeka, hunter, og anunoby

primo/tre/branham
vassell/lonnie
og/keldon
hunter/sochan
onyeka/zollins/landale

There are two strategies in play here: teardown mode or build around DJM for 2 years mode. This is a mix and match of the two, which makes the team rudderless for the foreseeable future.

Spurs need to pick a strategy (or at least reveal it to us fans), and go forth with confidence.

CGD

06-28-2022, 10:07 AM

I agree. Clicks and followers are everything apparently.

Say what you want but here we are clicking and following, lol.

The reality is the NBA has done a masterful job in creating basically a month of content during the offseason between draft, FA, and summer league. Outside of Euro soccer, not sure what other sport has been successful in doing something like this.

John B

06-28-2022, 10:59 AM

looks steep, but if you want to land a star like that without also giving up dejounte/poeltl, thats probably the ask i'd expect. i wouldnt go for it though. its not like getting this trade done turns us into contenders, and then we sacrifice our ability to improve the roster going forward

now... is Murray/Mitchell/Vassell/Sochan/Ayton a contending lineup? probably not. plus our bench would be a lot thinner after a move like this

I’m down on this. Mitchell and Ayton are 25 and 23. Heck yah.

spurspl

06-28-2022, 11:59 AM

There are two strategies in play here: teardown mode or build around DJM for 2 years mode. This is a mix and match of the two, which makes the team rudderless for the foreseeable future.

Spurs need to pick a strategy (or at least reveal it to us fans), and go forth with confidence.

1) we dont have assets to build around djm (it would require to get at least two almost all star caliber players)
2) teardown mode is possible but it should be done when kawhi left. We lost 4yrs and it would take another 4 to be competetive again,
3) the trade i mentioned gives u 3 young players - og and hunter have an all star potential. Give this roster 2 yrs and see what happened. Thats the path that fasten rebuild bc u aint gonna wait 1-3 yrs to use draft capital u got from djm trade and another 2-3 yrs of developing them.

SAGirl

06-28-2022, 12:03 PM

I don’t see the Spurs doing anything if significance if they’re indeed talking about Murray trades…

R. DeMurre

06-28-2022, 12:06 PM

I think sometimes people conflate the various concepts of "small ball" into one idea, and this is where is goes awry. A small ball center who is 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, great standing reach, and can switch on PFs and SFs is a benefit. A 6'7" PF with a 7'1" wingspan who can stay with some guards is a big asset. But a 6'1" SG who doesn't defend well anywhere on the floor is a totally different story. Try and think of the last team who won a chip with a 6'1" SG...

KingKev

06-28-2022, 12:08 PM

I think sometimes people conflate the various concepts of "small ball" into one idea, and this is where is goes awry. A small ball center who is 6'9" with a 7'3" wingspan, great standing reach, and can switch on PFs and SFs is a benefit. A 6'7" PF with a 7'1" wingspan who can stay with some guards is a big asset. But a 6'1" SG who doesn't defend well anywhere on the floor is a totally different story.

coupled with - 6’6 and 6’7 3 and 4 who can’t defend anywhere on the floor or make an effort to rebound, box out etc

spurspl

06-28-2022, 01:27 PM

REPORT: The Phoenix Suns offered a $16.4M to DeAndre Ayton to make him a restricted free agent.

(via Keith Smith)

exstatic

06-28-2022, 01:59 PM

Richardson and Doug should be prioritized to be traded. Get any future firsts you can even if it means taking on a year of a bad deal etc.

Unless you can land Ayton/Lavine but outside of that clear the path for minutes and get as many picks as you can.

The Lavine ship has sailed already, Chicago’s official Twitter account announcing that he’s going to grab the bag, and if DJ gets moved, there’s no way they go after Ayton, either.

McD won’t return anything but a SRP from anyone except a top contender. I still say JRich will return a first. Rent some space to Phoenix for Saric’s contract, since they’re in tax jail. Their 2023 FRP should be available when the NBA FY turns over 1 July.

CGD

06-28-2022, 02:06 PM

REPORT: The Phoenix Suns offered a $16.4M to DeAndre Ayton to make him a restricted free agent.

(via Keith Smith)

Part of me feels all the DJ stuff is a distractions to throw people off on the Ayton scent.

emanueldavidginobili

06-28-2022, 02:48 PM

Just announced Will Hardy will be the Utah Jazz next head coach.

RC_Drunkford

06-28-2022, 03:01 PM

I don’t see the Spurs doing anything if significance if they’re indeed talking about Murray trades…

I can't see the Spurs doing anything of significance if they keep Murray either. Their big free agent signing is probably Jalen Smith and they then proceed to take on bad contracts to flip them for assets and keep doing the same shit they did last season. I don't want to trade DJ, but this is how this FO operates. They never make big moves

RC_Drunkford

06-28-2022, 03:02 PM

some good news to cheer you up Spurs Nation :bobo

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rjv

06-28-2022, 03:02 PM

i wouldn't be bothered by smaller signings such as jalen smith.

exstatic

06-28-2022, 03:10 PM

I doubt anything happens with Jakob but it would be nice to have a shooting big like Turner next to a guy like Sochan

Zollins

exstatic

06-28-2022, 03:12 PM

Doug/J-Rich/Poeltl could help Suns imo.

I know it’s a cliche but Poeltl is better on a contender

Suns don’t want any salary. None. They’re STILL looking to offload Saric to lower their inevitable tax bill after resigning Ayton.

exstatic

06-28-2022, 03:20 PM

You're right but i was thinking they need to renounce to Lonnie or some one else to have the max ?

They do. Until he’s signed or renounced, his cap hold is like $12-13M

John B

06-28-2022, 03:27 PM

some good news to cheer you up Spurs Nation :bobo

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:lol

RC_Drunkford

06-28-2022, 03:29 PM

Spurs fans are supposedly not the only ones who'd like to pair DJ with Ayton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roAe6_vBS5c

Spurs will probably not even make an offer though :lol

k830713

06-28-2022, 03:49 PM

Branham - number 22

The Truth #6

06-28-2022, 03:56 PM

some good news to cheer you up Spurs Nation :bobo

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Probably the only smart thing he’s ever done.

Mugen

06-28-2022, 04:48 PM

Spurs fans are supposedly not the only ones who'd like to pair DJ with Ayton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roAe6_vBS5c

Spurs will probably not even make an offer though :lol

Spot on tbh. Keeping Murray and going after Ayton is such a no-brainer move that I'm not surprised BWrong and the short bus crew aren't even exploring it :lol

rjv

06-28-2022, 04:49 PM

Spot on tbh. Keeping Murray and going after Ayton is such a no-brainer move that I'm not surprised BWrong and the short bus crew aren't even exploring it :lol

how do you know they aren't or haven't?

eDizzle20

06-28-2022, 04:55 PM

Spot on tbh. Keeping Murray and going after Ayton is such a no-brainer move that I'm not surprised BWrong and the short bus crew aren't even exploring it :lol
Maybe all the DJ leaks are just a diversion to catch the Suns off guard. I would love the Spurs to screw the Suns and give a max offer and force the Suns to match or let Ayton walk for nothing. Lol.

Mugen

06-28-2022, 05:06 PM

Keep DJ + Pry Ayton away with a max and some poison pill type provisions + Explore a Poetl for OG Anunoby swap.....

Pipe dreams but man that woulda been a nice offseason coupled with the 3 rookies tbh :lol

Mugen

06-28-2022, 05:08 PM

how do you know they aren't or haven't?

Too much smoke around the Murray stuff leads me to believe they don't have the cajones to make a full commitment to going after Ayton.

cjw

06-28-2022, 05:22 PM

Maybe all the DJ leaks are just a diversion to catch the Suns off guard. I would love the Spurs to screw the Suns and give a max offer and force the Suns to match or let Ayton walk for nothing. Lol.

It’s absolutely in the cards and they should do nothing with DJM until that situation resolves itself. Only downside is your cap space gets tied up for a couple of days while Robert Sarver argues with his staff that he doesn’t want to spend money. Not that there’s much else you’re missing out on though.

If Ayton or another RFA target doesn’t pan out, then you can explore DJM options. Especially as teams become more desperate for someone of his level once theoretical free agents are off the market.

CGD

06-28-2022, 06:09 PM

Maybe all the DJ leaks are just a diversion to catch the Suns off guard. I would love the Spurs to screw the Suns and give a max offer and force the Suns to match or let Ayton walk for nothing. Lol.

I’ve been thinking the same thing. Don’t mess around with a S&T, drop an offer sheet at 12:01am.

If they miss out, then pivot to DJ talks. There really isn’t pressure to do the deal right now aside from ATL wanting to use Gallo. But that’s their problem not ours.

CGD

06-28-2022, 06:10 PM

It’s absolutely in the cards and they should do nothing with DJM until that situation resolves itself. Only downside is your cap space gets tied up for a couple of days while Robert Sarver argues with his staff that he doesn’t want to spend money. Not that there’s much else you’re missing out on though.

If Ayton or another RFA target doesn’t pan out, then you can explore DJM options. Especially as teams become more desperate for someone of his level once theoretical free agents are off the market.

Exactly, but who are the spurs at risk not missing on TBH? Don’t see much risk with tying up the capspace if they go that route.

mystargtr34

06-28-2022, 06:10 PM

Zubac just signed an extension with the Clippers for $33m/3. Is that the market price for Poeltl? Jakob is better but by how much. Not that much imo.

CGD

06-28-2022, 06:29 PM

Zubac just signed an extension with the Clippers for $33m/3. Is that the market price for Poeltl? Jakob is better but by how much. Not that much imo.

That’s a great comp. I figured Jakobs next deal would start in the 12-13 range. In fact, I’d offer that extension now.

RC_Drunkford

06-28-2022, 06:51 PM

Poeltl is a way better player than Zubac

cjw

06-28-2022, 07:17 PM

Poeltl is a way better player than Zubac

Precisely

If Poeltl (and that’s a big if) weren’t an atrocious FT shooter, he’d be WAY more valuable. As it stands, he makes an awkward fit for closing out playoff games.

mystargtr34

06-28-2022, 07:42 PM

Yeah I just checked Zubac advanced numbers and they were pretty atrocious last year which surprised me. Hartenstein was actually much better. Poeltls advanced numbers are much better than Zubac too.

I think Poeltl gets $15m to $18m per over 3 years. Some team may offer him 4 years.

AFBlue

06-28-2022, 09:23 PM

Knicks cleared $30M in cap space to sign Brunson. Detroit took on the salary, pushing them out of the Ayton race. Interesting.

Ariel

06-28-2022, 09:26 PM

Knicks cleared $30M in cap space to sign Brunson. Detroit took on the salary, pushing them out of the Ayton race. Interesting.
That much was clear the second they traded for Duren.

cjw

06-28-2022, 09:34 PM

Knicks cleared $30M in cap space to sign Brunson. Detroit took on the salary, pushing them out of the Ayton race. Interesting.

$20 million of contracts at the cost of two seconds (both are effectively expiring - team options on both next offseason.

Who does that leave with cap space? Unfortunately probably not much of a market this off-season to rent out cap space given few guys worthy of more than the MLE

Mr. Body

06-28-2022, 09:48 PM

The market for Ayton is no longer there. Suns may have played this perfectly, whether they meant to or not.

mo7888

06-28-2022, 10:06 PM

$20 million of contracts at the cost of two seconds (both are effectively expiring - team options on both next offseason.

Who does that leave with cap space? Unfortunately probably not much of a market this off-season to rent out cap space given few guys worthy of more than the MLE

I believe just us and Orlando..

mo7888

06-28-2022, 10:07 PM

The market for Ayton is no longer there. Suns may have played this perfectly, whether they meant to or not.

At this point they may overplay their hand though and he might sign the QO.

scott

06-28-2022, 10:24 PM

At this point I'm thinking nothing happens with DJ, which will be fine, and TJ Warren as a 3.5 and Jalen Smith as a 4.5 could/should be the kind of targets we are thinking about.

BacktoBasics

06-28-2022, 10:28 PM

The market for Ayton is no longer there. Suns may have played this perfectly, whether they meant to or not.

This puts us firmly in position if they truly don’t want to come strong.

BacktoBasics

06-28-2022, 10:28 PM

At this point I'm thinking nothing happens with DJ, which will be fine, and TJ Warren as a 3.5 and Jalen Smith as a 4.5 could/should be the kind of targets we are thinking about.

If you land both of those players and they stay relatively healthy I think this team makes the playoffs. I’d rather have Ayton but as a fall back plan I like it.

baseline bum

06-28-2022, 10:32 PM

The market for Ayton is no longer there. Suns may have played this perfectly, whether they meant to or not.

Still cost them a title that they'll never have another chance at if Klay comes back strong his second year back from injury

scott

06-28-2022, 10:33 PM

If you land both of those players and they stay relatively healthy I think this team makes the playoffs. I’d rather have Ayton but as a fall back plan I like it.

I like it too... which is probably why it won't happen :lol

ace3g

06-28-2022, 10:57 PM

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1541977529560481792

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1541977658396790786

mystargtr34

06-28-2022, 11:09 PM

Heard the Mavs may offer Brunson 5 years. Maybe higher total $ amount than the Knicks but less per year.

Mavs in a tough spot they don't have many avenues to add a second star next to Luka and are locked into some bad contracts with one dimensional players such as Hardaway, Bertans, even Dinwiddie.

Mr. Body

06-28-2022, 11:20 PM

I believe Brunson's father is a coach for the Knicks and his godfather is president of operations. The Mavs are screwed here.

offset formation

06-29-2022, 12:28 AM

Knicks cleared $30M in cap space to sign Brunson. Detroit took on the salary, pushing them out of the Ayton race. Interesting.

lol. fool's gold. and just fools.

Ditty

06-29-2022, 12:47 AM

Hope Brunson leaves. He seemed to kick our ass lately than Luka did.

tbdog

06-29-2022, 01:29 AM

I just don't believe in the NY rumour unless it's a backup plan. They selling brunson in the idea he will be the starting pg. Then they want to trade for an allstar pg?

John B

06-29-2022, 01:56 AM

Spurs fans are supposedly not the only ones who'd like to pair DJ with Ayton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roAe6_vBS5c

Spurs will probably not even make an offer though :lol

I seriously doubt the Spurs are signing any big names. They will go on full rebuild through draft. Prepare to get the same squad. Seriously they should’ve done this 5 years ago when nephew jumped ship. It’s the only explanation why DJ wants out., and get as much FRP for him, not star swap mind you, just picks plus maybe a young promising player.

BG_Spurs_Fan

06-29-2022, 02:03 AM

Detroit selling their cap space is good for the Spurs. Even if Ayton, etc. haven't indicated they're willing to sign the Spurs would be one of only 2 or 3 teams (Indiana, Orlando, Memphis maybe) with significant cap space to facilitate trades and accumulate assets.

tbdog

06-29-2022, 03:26 AM

T Park

06-29-2022, 03:30 AM

I seriously doubt the Spurs are signing any big names. They will go on full rebuild through draft. Prepare to get the same squad. Seriously they should’ve done this 5 years ago when nephew jumped ship. It’s the only explanation why DJ wants out., and get as much FRP for him, not star swap mind you, just picks plus maybe a young promising player.

Dejounte Murray has not asked for a trade nor indicated he wants out

mystargtr34

06-29-2022, 06:38 AM

I'm telling you, Hartenstein will be spurs target this offseason.

Yeah he was really good. Clippers fans want him back.

CGD

06-29-2022, 06:39 AM

KingKev

06-29-2022, 07:12 AM

I’m surprised that the asking price was so low (2 seconds) to shed the salary. Would have expected they’d have to cough up a first.

Both team options for 23-24 so it’s only one year of and they both might actually play in Detroit but I would’ve wanted an FRP also.

KingKev

06-29-2022, 07:14 AM

^ also probably was an extension of the Duren/Kemba trade.

Dverde

06-29-2022, 07:31 AM

80% of the free agents have deals in place. They just can’t announce it. Obviously Brunson going to NYK, Ayton not going to Detroit or ATL, Chicago getting Levine, Bridges being forced to shop around for Charlotte to match. Wall to LAC.

exstatic

06-29-2022, 07:34 AM

^ also probably was an extension of the Duren/Kemba trade.

Pretty much what I was thinking.

CGD

06-29-2022, 07:52 AM

^ also probably was an extension of the Duren/Kemba trade.

That would make a lot of sense. Now it doesnt look like an outright fleecing by DET.

Degoat

06-29-2022, 08:40 AM

No Trade will happen Imo, spurs will sign Kyle Anderson, Isaiah Hartenstein, and Trade for a bunch of 2nd round picks lol

widowmaker

06-29-2022, 08:52 AM

Luke Garza is going to be available.

BatManu20

06-29-2022, 09:05 AM

As expected.

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mo7888

06-29-2022, 09:13 AM

Denver is nearing trading Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington in deal for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

John B

06-29-2022, 09:30 AM

As expected.

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:depressed:depressed:depressed

Ice009

06-29-2022, 09:52 AM

Dejounte Murray has not asked for a trade nor indicated he wants out

That's good to hear as I want him to stay. I want to try and get another star to pair with him and see how it goes with all the young players too.

exstatic

06-29-2022, 10:15 AM

:depressed:depressed:depressed

Why earth are you upset that the Spurs appear to be cutting ties with one of the most frustrating draft picks in Spurs history?

It’s been said that Kawhi hit like 99% of his ceiling. If that’s true, then Lonnie hit like 25% of his. A difference in mental discipline.

John B

06-29-2022, 10:16 AM

That's good to hear as I want him to stay. I want to try and get another star to pair with him and see how it goes with all the young players too.

With all the rumors going on, I doubt DJ doesn’t get moved. And waiting for the trade deadline only diminishes his potential return

I hate a season of losing. I’m sure everybody does. But if it’s a true rebuild that Spurs have to do to spring board this team back, they have to deal DJ. It should’ve been done 5 years ago. It is what it is. DJ could haul 4 FRP’s with minimal protection. Poeltl, McD, J-Rich all could potentially bring Derrick-like returns. That’s 8 FRP’s including our own plus 2 SRP’s. That might be good enough for 2023 Draft which promises to be a deep one. And basing from what Timvp wrote about Primo’s development, I think the Spurs are following along Primos timeline.

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 10:21 AM

Why earth are you upset that the Spurs appear to be cutting ties with one of the most frustrating draft picks in Spurs history?

It’s been said that Kawhi hit like 99% of his ceiling. If that’s true, then Lonnie hit like 25% of his. A difference in mental discipline.

My guess is because people actually like Lonnie, while by the end no one liked Kawhi. I don't think it's a basketball thing.

exstatic

06-29-2022, 10:28 AM

My guess is because people actually like Lonnie, while by the end no one liked Kawhi. I don't think it's a basketball thing.

I like Lonnie, as a person, but I’m done with him as a Spur. I can simultaneously hold both of those thoughts.

rjv

06-29-2022, 10:31 AM

My guess is because people actually like Lonnie, while by the end no one liked Kawhi. I don't think it's a basketball thing.

agreed. lonnie was a great community guy and really embraced the city so I wanted him to succeed. But he really just never got it together and it's time to move on.

BacktoBasics

06-29-2022, 10:39 AM

I'm not in the anti Lonnie camp. I liked his progression and I think he would have been worth keeping at the very least as a nice trade chip at the deadline or next years draft.

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 10:41 AM

I'm not in the anti Lonnie camp. I liked his progression and I think he would have been worth keeping at the very least as a nice trade chip at the deadline or next years draft.

I would think they definitely would keep him, as much out of necessity, had they not drafted Malaki and Blake.

BacktoBasics

06-29-2022, 10:46 AM

I would think they definitely would keep him, as much out of necessity, had they not drafted Malaki and Blake.

Hope they get production inside of 3 years on those guys. We can't just be a team that develops and dumps.

Mugen

06-29-2022, 10:54 AM

Lonnie has a chance to be an impactful 6th man in this league tbh. I still think he was mishandled at the start of his career but his BBIQ is definitely lacking/frustrating.

He puts it all together and I don't see why he can't have a Lou Williams type career, hope he lands in a good spot tbh.

exstatic

06-29-2022, 11:00 AM

I'm not in the anti Lonnie camp. I liked his progression and I think he would have been worth keeping at the very least as a nice trade chip at the deadline or next years draft.

You think they weren’t shopping him at the deadline last season? He was making $4+M, and nobody wanted him. I think if they thought there was even a sliver of interest, they sign him like they did Forbes last season, and try to flip him for ANYTHING at the deadline this year.

I think if he signs anywhere, it will be for vet min, or close to it.

BacktoBasics

06-29-2022, 11:05 AM

You think they weren’t shopping him at the deadline last season? He was making $4+M, and nobody wanted him. I think if they thought there was even a sliver of interest, they sign him like they did Forbes last season, and try to flip him for ANYTHING at the deadline this year.

I think if he signs anywhere, it will be for vet min, or close to it.Id bet money he doesn’t take a vet minimum.

At that point we’d be stupid to not retain based on productivity alone.

exstatic

06-29-2022, 11:27 AM

Id bet money he doesn’t take a vet minimum.

At that point we’d be stupid to not retain based on productivity alone.

No
One
Wanted
Him
At
$4M

That’s a cheap fucking contract, and they would have gotten full Bird rights. That’s what NBA front offices think of Lonnie Walker. They do not share your sunny optimism. They see what I see: that his ‘improvement’ last year was just a function of higher usage, that he’s still inefficient, and that his 3 pointer fell off a fucking cliff.

RC_Drunkford

06-29-2022, 11:36 AM

Lonnie Walker improved? Thats news to me, he averaged the same numbers he did before just with terrible efficiency

Ignazzz

06-29-2022, 12:20 PM

The NBA's salary cap for the 2022-23 season is projected to come in at roughly $123.6 million, sources told ESPN. That is an $11.6 million increase from last year's salary cap figure of $112 million.

easier for big spenders $$$$$$

BatManu20

06-29-2022, 12:40 PM

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BG_Spurs_Fan

06-29-2022, 12:41 PM

Salary cap is higher than expected. This gives the Spurs even more room but also makes max contracts more expensive.

Also great news for taxpaying teams. Tax line will be over $150 mil.

BatManu20

06-29-2022, 12:41 PM

I know there’s a few Spurfan in here who are creaming at the thought of adding their pet cat Mo Bamba.

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rjv

06-29-2022, 12:45 PM

I know there’s a few Spurfan in here who are creaming at the thought of adding their pet cat Mo Bamba.

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rockets and bulls are said to be interested in la bamba.

CGD

06-29-2022, 01:05 PM

rockets and bulls are said to be interested in la bamba.

I bet the Raptors will be all over this too, basically at the places we'd like to send Jakob, lol

Degoat

06-29-2022, 01:07 PM

I know there’s a few Spurfan in here who are creaming at the thought of adding their pet cat Mo Bamba.

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Count me in lol a pair with him and Sochan could be crazy good

KingKev

06-29-2022, 02:38 PM

I know there’s a few Spurfan in here who are creaming at the thought of adding their pet cat Mo Bamba.

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Me…. unrestricted so they aren’t even looking to S&T?

Just north of the full MLE is probably the price that clears the market.

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 02:54 PM

slick'81

06-29-2022, 03:01 PM

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 03:02 PM

sonetime raw prospects dont develop,it happens .

But he's actually not bad.

slick'81

06-29-2022, 03:04 PM

But he's actually not bad.

sure I guess

rjv

06-29-2022, 03:05 PM

i guess tendering walker the $6.3 million qualifying offer officially kicks off the Spurs free agency.

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 03:07 PM

It seems Orlando did this to clear the cap hold for other moves. Expect to go for Hartenstein. May then re-add Bamba or S&T him.

KingKev

06-29-2022, 03:08 PM

I don't know why Mo Bamba doesn't move me but Jalen Smith does. Bamba has better defensive metrics while Smith is still pretty bad there. I don't fully get why ORL gave up on him. He didn't improve at all for three years then nudged up better last year.

Orlando is a trash organization and they actually have frontline depth so he never got consistent minutes. He showed some VERY intriguing flashes this season. He’d be a low risk, potential high reward reclamation project. Rather spend on him than Walker, that is for sure.

Leetonidas

06-29-2022, 03:10 PM

Anyone got updated projections for cap space based on the new expectation for the salary cap and SA tendering a QO to Lonnie?

KingKev

06-29-2022, 03:10 PM

It seems Orlando did this to clear the cap hold for other moves. Expect to go for Hartenstein. May then re-add Bamba or S&T him.

Can they still S&T if they just renounced?

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 03:11 PM

Still kinda interested in Jalen Smith though. Seems he can platoon with Sochan and Landale while the rookie develops. He shouldn't cost too much and is still developing himself.

Mr. Body

06-29-2022, 03:12 PM

Can they still S&T if they just renounced?

That's what someone on their boards said, but I have no idea.

Leetonidas

06-29-2022, 03:17 PM

Not entirely sure but I do not believe a player can be S&T if he is renounced and is a UFA

Ignazzz

06-29-2022, 03:19 PM

He can not.

TD 21

06-29-2022, 03:30 PM

With reports of Nurkic re-signing for 4/$64M, Robinson for 4/$60M and Claxton at the MLE, it's probably safe to say the 4/$59M max extension for Poeltl more than likely isn't getting it done.

BacktoBasics

06-29-2022, 03:31 PM

No
One
Wanted
Him
At
$4M

That’s a cheap fucking contract, and they would have gotten full Bird rights. That’s what NBA front offices think of Lonnie Walker. They do not share your sunny optimism. They see what I see: that his ‘improvement’ last year was just a function of higher usage, that he’s still inefficient, and that his 3 pointer fell off a fucking cliff.

Still think he only signs somewhere for the vet minimum?