Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread

[Leetonidas]

Dieng left because he got no playing time here. He probably left Atlanta because he didn't get any playing time behind Capela and Okongwu. Not sure he comes to a bottom feeder to be a third stringer tbh. Poeltl is gone imho

[tonight...you]

That's Jarrett Allen level money. Im sure there's all sorts of negotiation tactics going on like with every contract, but don't think his agent can ask for that with a straight face. I think $17.5m per is the absolute top end he can get, $15m per most likely.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/center/

Some comparable for Jakob

Capela ($23m)
Allen ($20m)
Turner ($20m)
Nurkic ($17.5m)
Adams ($17.5m)
JV ($15m)
Mitchell Robinson ($15m)
Brooke Lopez ($13m)
Rob Williams ($12m)
Zubac ($11m)
You're probably right.
I guess we'll see.

[AFBlue]

Makes Poeltl more expendable, but I don't think he gets traded for peanuts. Just like with Murray, they'll bide their time and take the best offer available. I think the Ayton domino needs to fall before anything can happen with Poeltl.

[The Truth #6]

Am electric drill was later found in Pop’s carry-on. CIA Pop getting ahead of the Tim Duncan sweepstakes.

Ha!

[AFBlue]

So what's the deal with Ayton? Is his fate tied to Durant? Does he end up just signing the QO since his prospects have dried up?

[exstatic]

Makes Poeltl more expendable, but I don't think he gets traded for peanuts. Just like with Murray, they'll bide their time and take the best offer available. I think the Ayton domino needs to fall before anything can happen with Poeltl.

Agreed, but I would tack on that a lot of dominos have to fall league wide before much happens with us.

[Ariel]

Demar was leaving this team regardless last season, assuming he didn't get a max extension from us. So you can't equate how each player departed the team. DJ still had 2 years left on his deal.

Plus, DJ is a homegrown younger all star a franchise would ostensibly continue to build around aside from a tank.
I'm not equating the two, just saying that if the Spurs wanted to improve their short term chances, they could have used that long term 1st to get immediate impact, or play Thaddeus Young who's actually good enough for the Raptors and plays a position of need for us. And the Dejounte trade is the most telling of all, because they could have easily gotten an offer based on players rather than picks, which they didn't. All those moves line up in the same direction. Now if the Spurs had gone for, say, Lavine... well yeah, that would have been a move in the complete opposite direction. But so far that hasn't happened, so we'll see.

[KingKev]

TJ Warren to BK. Another potential ceiling raising target off the market.


PATFO may not have their heads up their asses. Me likey.

[Degoat]

Nets are doing some weird shit tbh lol wonder if maybe they’re trying to salvage things with KD idk

[KingKev]

Nets are doing some weird shit tbh lol wonder if maybe they’re trying to salvage things with KD idk

He is locked in to a long term deal. They are going to look to get win now AND future assets in a KD and Kyrie trade I suspect.

[JeffDuncan]

Dieng left because he got no playing time here. He probably left Atlanta because he didn't get any playing time behind Capela and Okongwu. Not sure he comes to a bottom feeder to be a third stringer tbh. Poeltl is gone imho


What a bizarre take. Dieng left SA because he didn’t see any point in hanging around as an unemployed person. And he has left Atlanta for the same reason.

You think he’ll stay somewhere when he’s got no contract?

He came to the Spurs in the first place after we traded away Eubanks. Speaking of third string.

Dieng is in the twilight of his career. He’s just going where somebody will pay him. It’s well worth it, to get another few million bucks. Heck yes. He will not expect much playing time now.

[slick'81]

I still don't see Poeltl traded. Not sure Dieng moves the needle on that score much. We'll see.


By your logic spurs sure as hell aren't resigning poodle either

[JeffDuncan]

I still don't see Poeltl traded. Not sure Dieng moves the needle on that score much. We'll see.


It’s just like the Spurs and Hawks have swapped Landale and Dieng. Will Dieng move the needle as a Landale replacement, is the question. If there really were any question, which there isn’t.

[Leetonidas]

What a bizarre take. Dieng left SA because he didn’t see any point in hanging around as an unemployed person. And he has left Atlanta for the same reason.

You think he’ll stay somewhere when he’s got no contract?

He came to the Spurs in the first place after we traded away Eubanks. Speaking of third string.

Dieng is in the twilight of his career. He’s just going where somebody will pay him. It’s well worth it, to get another few million bucks. Heck yes. He will not expect much playing time now.

Are you his agent now or what? All dudes want minutes. To act like that wasn't likely a factor in his decisions is silly. None of us personally know if SA/Atl wanted him back after his last stints

[JeffDuncan]

Are you his agent now or what? All dudes want minutes. To act like that wasn't likely a factor in his decisions is silly. None of us personally know if SA/Atl wanted him back after his last stints


Guy, they did not give him another contract. Hint, hint.

[John B]

What a bizarre take. Dieng left SA because he didn’t see any point in hanging around as an unemployed person. And he has left Atlanta for the same reason.

You think he’ll stay somewhere when he’s got no contract?

He came to the Spurs in the first place after we traded away Eubanks. Speaking of third string.

Dieng is in the twilight of his career. He’s just going where somebody will pay him. It’s well worth it, to get another few million bucks. Heck yes. He will not expect much playing time now.

And RC has a good relationship with the guy, which was why he chose Spurs the first time. I think they see him still available and asked if he doesn’t mind being a vet presence to a young team and he obliged.

[slick'81]

And RC has a good relationship with the guy, which was why he chose Spurs the first time. I think they see him still available and asked if he doesn’t mind being a vet presence to a young team and he obliged.


hes our 3rd center atm. Wgaf?

[JeffDuncan]

And RC has a good relationship with the guy, which was why he chose Spurs the first time. I think they see him still available and asked if he doesn’t mind being a vet presence to a young team and he obliged.


You think he “obliged” out of the goodness of his heart, as an act of charity? Is that your story, and you’ll stick to it?

It doesn’t cross your mind that $2.9 million might in some way or other be of significance?

[spurraider21]

guy literally replaces jock as depth and potentially an insurance policy to pave the way for a poeltl trade and people are claiming this guy is ruining the tank? :lmao

good veteran, good teammate by all accounts. good to have some of that around a bunch of kids tbh

[Mr. Body]

It’s just like the Spurs and Hawks have swapped Landale and Dieng. Will Dieng move the needle as a Landale replacement, is the question. If there really were any question, which there isn’t.

I'd prefer Landale -- he's younger, hungrier, with more updiside -- but that's okay. As a note, Landale is actually with Phoenix now.

[slick'81]

guy literally replaces jock as depth and potentially an insurance policy to pave the way for a poeltl trade and people are claiming this guy is ruining the tank? :lmao

good veteran, good teammate by all accounts. good to have some of that around a bunch of kids tbh

yup, cost us nothing and doesn't expect to play. But spurs are now in the playin game:lol

[John B]

You think he “obliged” out of the goodness of his heart, as an act of charity? Is that your story, and you’ll stick to it?

It doesn’t cross your mind that $2.9 million might in some way or other be of significance?

He knows he’ll be playing limited minutes with Spurs prioritizing growth for the young players. If you want to use another term, so be it.

The more issue is the timing if they already wrapped up Spurs role as trade facilitator or if they are not, to be able to sign now instead of later, and the role on Poeltl getting moved or not.

[JeffDuncan]

... As a note, Landale is actually with Phoenix now.


Thanks for the note, I hadn’t seen that yet.

[exstatic]

hes our 3rd center atm. Wgaf?

Could be second, any time.

[KingKev]

Haha Bleacher Report has a THT for JRich trade proposed spent 2 paragraphs why it made sense for the Lakers.

[Ariel]

He is locked in to a long term deal. They are going to look to get win now AND future assets in a KD and Kyrie trade I suspect.
Yup, all their draft stock belongs to Houston so they can't go for a full rebuild... they have to put together at least a decent team now, plus some picks may be nice. But the Gobert to Minnesota framework doesn't work for them in that it's much too predicated into future value as opposed to now.

[Ariel]

Haha Bleacher Report has a THT for JRich trade proposed spent 2 paragraphs why it made sense for the Lakers.
They need to fill up space for Lakers' fans to consume... given their shitty state, there's no much they can say...

https://i.ibb.co/G27YtGM/tht.jpg

[Ariel]

Could be second, any time.
I think once the main trades fall in place (Durant/Irving, Ayton, etc.) then the complementary pieces will follow. I expect someone to take a hard look at Poeltl, but the problem is the price isn't going to be what we were expecting...

[John B]

Yup, all their draft stock belongs to Houston so they can't go for a full rebuild... they have to put together at least a decent team now, plus some picks may be nice. But the Gobert to Minnesota framework doesn't work for them in that it's much too predicated into future value as opposed to now.

That Harden haul really hurts Spurs passing Rockets in their division, if Brooklyn becomes mediocre. 3 FRP’s unprotected, 2 FRP’s swaps unprotected. It’s making me rooting for BKN to iron out with KD and Kyrie. That means no Kyrie to Fakers to salvage Westbrick dilemna or KD to CP0’s last hoorah.

[exstatic]

I think once the main trades fall in place (Durant/Irving, Ayton, etc.) then the complementary pieces will follow. I expect someone to take a hard look at Poeltl, but the problem is the price isn't going to be what we were expecting...

Maybe not now, but if a contender needs/wants him now, that will only increase at the deadline if they’re struggling. Multiple teams helps, too. There’s no hurry.

[buttsR4rebounding]

That Harden haul really hurts Spurs passing Rockets in their division, if Brooklyn becomes mediocre. 3 FRP’s unprotected, 2 FRP’s swaps unprotected. It’s making me rooting for BKN to iron out with KD and Kyrie. That means no Kyrie to Fakers to salvage Westbrick dilemna or KD to CP0’s last hoorah.

You mean stopping the Rockets from passing the Spurs. I don't believe they have shown jack to this point.

[John B]

You mean stopping the Rockets from passing the Spurs. I don't believe they have shown jack to this point.

If KD and Kyrie get moved, Rockets owns Net’s next 5 years FRP’s unprotected. That’s potentially 5 lottery picks and Rockets don’t have to be in tank mode. Think it over :toast

[exstatic]

If KD and Kyrie get moved, Rockets owns Net’s next 5 years FRP’s unprotected. That’s potentially 5 lottery picks and Rockets don’t have to be in tank mode. Think it over :toast

It’s four years, 2 picks, and 2 pick swaps. They also owe their 2024 and 2026 FRPs, protected 1-4 to OKC..

Our cupboard is more full. We also have no future FRP debt like they do.

[mo7888]

We claimed Isaiah Roby off waivers..

[spurraider21]

We claimed Isaiah Roby off waivers..
:lobt2:

[Ariel]

Maybe not now, but if a contender needs/wants him now, that will only increase at the deadline if they’re struggling. Multiple teams helps, too. There’s no hurry.
Well... not for the time being, but there kind of is to do so before the season starts. Right now Poeltl is likely the player who will have the largest impact on performance. If we're shooting for a high pick, then whatever additional value we gain by showing him off, is negated by the decreasing lottery odds and the expiration date on his contract. So it's ok not to hurry... but waiting until the trade deadline comes at a cost.
PS: Before anyone jumps at me demanding I prove that we're tanking, forcing me to swear that we're not, or suing me for saying this... it's a HYPOTHETICAL, people. Relax.

[timtonymanu]

Dieng, Roby… we’re back, boys!

[exstatic]

Well... not for the time being, but there kind of is to do so before the season starts. Right now Poeltl is likely the player who will have the largest impact on performance. If we're shooting for a high pick, then whatever additional value we gain by showing him off, is negated by the decreasing lottery odds and the expiration date on his contract. So it's ok not to hurry... but waiting until the trade deadline comes at a cost.
PS: Before anyone jumps at me demanding I prove that we're tanking, forcing me to swear that we're not, or suing me for saying this... it's a HYPOTHETICAL, people. Relax.

Even if we finish or jump into the top 4, it’s still only a 14% chance at #1. Rushing things could cost us a FRP.

[Ariel]

Even if we finish or jump into the top 4, it’s still only a 14% chance at #1. Rushing things could cost us a FRP.
It's not as simple as that: one spot difference at the top is usually more valuable than a late first rounder. For instance, this very draft Memphis used 29 to jump from 22 to Minnesota's 19. So that first rounder was worth jumping 3 spots AT THE 20s... that's, of course, contingent on how the draft unfolds, but you get the picture. If we're not playing on keeping Jakob long term, selling him at a reasonable value may yield better results than waiting for an offer that may or may not arrive, and regardless will cost us chances.

[Dejounte]

I can see them going after Ayton after the Roby signing. One more day until teams can send offer sheets.

[Dejounte]

Two ultra cheap C’s behind an expensive one makes sense.

[exstatic]

It's not as simple as that: one spot difference at the top is usually more valuable than a late first rounder. For instance, this very draft Memphis used 29 to jump from 22 to Minnesota's 19. So that first rounder was worth jumping 3 spots AT THE 20s... that's, of course, contingent on how the draft unfolds, but you get the picture. If we're not playing on keeping Jakob long term, selling him at a reasonable value may yield better results than waiting for an offer that may or may not arrive, and regardless will cost us chances.
If you sell Jak cheaply, you may not have that #29 pick to make the jump. That’s the exact type of pick that may be the second FRP in a deal.

[John B]

Another PF/C to keep Keldon off the 4. Yes!

[Robz4000]

Another PF/C to keep Keldon off the 4. Yes!

Could also be a replacement for Keldon :stirpot:

[tonight...you]

Could also be a replacement for Keldon :stirpot:
If Keldon keeps shooting the 3 like he has been recently... he has a place on the team until they ship him off it for assets.
If they do.

[Degoat]

What our roster at now? Who am I missing?

Jakob/ZC/Dieng
Sochan/Roby/Doug
Kj/Branham/Langford
Dev/Richardson/Blake
Primo/Tre

Barlow 2-way

KBD, Cacok, and Joe aren’t guaranteed I believe.

[KingKev]

What our roster at now? Who am I missing?

Jakob/ZC/Dieng
Sochan/Roby/Doug
Kj/Branham/Langford
Dev/Richardson/Blake
Primo/Tre

Barlow 2-way

KBD, Cacok, and Joe aren’t guaranteed I believe.

Weiskamp received QO so assume he is here next year. KBD not fully guaranteed till opening day. Woodard and Stewert still listed on the roster but not sure their status; probably just training camp invItes.

[Mr. Body]

Provided the amount Wieskamp is getting featured in social media, I doubt they're done with him yet.

[John B]

Provided the amount Wieskamp is getting featured in social media, I doubt they're done with him yet.

Then again Lyles sported the Fiesta jersey :wakeup

But don’t sleep on Joe. He posted 42 inch vertical at the combine, top six in both lane agility and the three-quarter court sprint.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/YlVNzyA5-Ig

next great Spurs big tbh

[Degoat]

^ I’m not going to lie…. We shouldn’t touch Ayton but damn it I’d be pumped up as hell if we acquired him

[The Truth #6]

Then again Lyles sported the Fiesta jersey :wakeup

But don’t sleep on Joe. He posted 42 inch vertical at the combine, top six in both lane agility and the three-quarter court sprint.

I have some hopes left for Lil Weezy. But I don't see him being aggressive enough. Or, at least he wasn't enough last year in the opportunities he got on the court as far as I could tell. We'll see. It would be great if he could start putting it together. And yeah, with all that theoretical athleticism, it would be nice if he could make it useful.

[exstatic]

^ I’m not going to lie…. We shouldn’t touch Ayton but damn it I’d be pumped up as hell if we acquired him

Suns had Ayton AND Booker together for two seasons before CP3, and missed the playoffs both years. We don’t have a scorer of Booker’s caliber, Ayton is not a franchise player, and nothing short of that is worth paying and using you cap room.

[Degoat]

Suns had Ayton AND Booker together for two seasons before CP3, and missed the playoffs both years. We don’t have a scorer of Booker’s caliber, Ayton is not a franchise player, and nothing short of that is worth paying and using you cap room.

You’re probably right but man he’s on the timeline with most of our guys, I think he’s still finding his way in this league and he still avged 17 and 10 this year. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense but Damnnnnit sign me up lol

[scott]

Dieng + Roby = GET REFUEL.

LFG RACE FOR SEIS

[John B]

DJ is nothing close to a Max player. But Ayton? Hell yeah I would sign him max. He is a double-double machine who hits 76% at FT, 36% 3pt line last year and at only 23 yrs old, plus he’s nimble enough to close-out perimeter. He still has tons of upside imo and very much inline with Spurs youth. If he’s available, I’m taking a shot at him. He is the best chance of getting a center piece than hoping to get #1 next year. It would be silly and irresponsible not to.

[ace3g]

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Free agent Thomas Bryant has reached an agreement with the Los Angeles Lakers on a one-year deal and will be given opportunity to win starting center position, league sources tell @YahooSports (https://twitter.com/YahooSports/):

[Mr. Body]

Thomas Bryant and Lonnie Walker are honestly not bad pickups for the Lakes. They need younger, not completely shitty players who can do more than jog windedly up and down the court.

[ducks]

Walker is useless
He was a cultural fit though he was a very liberal donkey
His d is as good as Biden running this country

[bluebellmaniac]

https://youtu.be/YlVNzyA5-Ig

next great Spurs big tbh

He wouldn't move that needle like Wembamya would. So no, unless he needs knee surgery, then yes. He could recoup when we tank. So that's a no.

[spurraider21]

Walker is useless
He was a cultural fit though he was a very liberal donkey
His d is as good as Biden running this country
This is bullshit. Lonnie never won DPOY

[KingKev]

This is bullshit. Lonnie never won DPOY

He was for the other team most nights.

[Dejounte]

He wouldn't move that needle like Wembamya would. So no, unless he needs knee surgery, then yes. He could recoup when we tank. So that's a no.

Wemba has had a stress fracture and hasnt spent a minute in the NBA. This dude’s not destined for greatness no matter how much anybody says he is, especially with that kind of body.

[KingKev]

Not sure if posted but Grizz gave Chandler 4yrs 7.1mm. Highest guaranteed contract ever for an SRP.

[Atl Spur]

Golden State are showing you how to use young talent… slow & steady. None of their current superstars were projected to be that but here we are! Cultivate your talent and poach the rest from those who don’t have an eye for it!! Let’s see how this free agency pans out before we go into full on VW fan girl mode!! Everyone wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die:( Welcome to Spurs Talk:)

[KingKev]

https://youtu.be/HoHqHKqw9SI
Golden State are showing you how to use young talent… slow & steady. None of their current superstars were projected to be that but here we are! Cultivate your talent and poach the rest from those who don’t have an eye for it!! Let’s see how this free agency pans out before we go into full on VW fan girl mode!! Everyone wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die:( Welcome to Spurs Talk:)

https://youtu.be/HoHqHKqw9SI (https://youtu.be/HoHqHKqw9SI)

ATL Spur spotted in the Santa Monica Pier!!!

[Dejounte]

While Deandre Ayton has been viewed as a potential trade chip in Kevin Durant talks, the restricted free-agent center has reportedly been exploring his options elsewhere.
ESPN's Brian Windhorst (https://open.spotify.com/episode/6KCML97niseC2LXYSGPUAO) said on the Hoop Collective podcast (44:50 mark) that Ayton has taken meetings with teams that "are not involved in potential Durant negotiations." It's unclear whether any of those teams have made formal contract offers.

[Dverde]

Windhorst made a comment about Ayton on his podcast that got my attention. He said Ayton may already have an offer from a team with cap space but is sitting on it. Then he mentioned only the Pacers with a sign/trade with Myles Turner. Reading between the lines, I don’t think Spurs are pursuing Ayton at all. I think their cap space is being held to maybe facilitate a trade for another team since Ayton is the only big fish left in the FA sea.

[lmbebo]

Windhorst made a comment about Ayton on his podcast that got my attention. He said Ayton may already have an offer from a team with cap space but is sitting on it. Then he mentioned only the Pacers with a sign/trade with Myles Turner. Reading between the lines, I don’t think Spurs are pursuing Ayton at all. I think their cap space is being held to maybe facilitate a trade for another team since Ayton is the only big fish left in the FA sea.

I don't think there has been any indication that the Spurs were interested in Ayton at all, at least not in his asking price. Spurs have only been linked to him because we have cap space...

[Atl Spur]

https://youtu.be/HoHqHKqw9SI

https://youtu.be/HoHqHKqw9SI (https://youtu.be/HoHqHKqw9SI)

ATL Spur spotted in the Santa Monica Pier!!!

Lol……… and go! Off and running today are we?

[KingKev]

Lol……… and go! Off and running today are we?

haha I am homie! I see you shining, getting money talking that talk to all those California girls.

[Dverde]

I don't think there has been any indication that the Spurs were interested in Ayton at all, at least not in his asking price. Spurs have only been linked to him because we have cap space...

I wasn’t buying the Ayton talk early when we still had DJ on the team. After trading him, it made some sense to me to pursue Ayton even if it means you get Phoenix to over pay him. He’s still young and about three years from his prime.

[Fireball]

Why should the Spurs sign any good free agents? Even in a rebuild you need some veterans otherwise the young guys will not develop the right mentality but any free agent we sign now will probably be gone anyway when the rebuild is in the final stages. Or do you just throw the money available away to have someone who is a potential trade value in a few years again? If the latter is a viable strategy, then ok.

Whatever, Ayton is not the right person you want to have around our young players.

[Atl Spur]

I think Monty Williams has briefed pop on Ayton , good bad or otherwise. If he’s good ( character etc…. ) we will sign I’m guessing but I don’t think he is………..

[KingKev]

If they have interest in Ayton that is a clear indication they are hopping right back on the Pelaton.

[Dejounte]

Come on Spurs, go for it :)

[RC_Drunkford]

Come on Spurs, go for it :)

Ayton is not a culture fit

[Duncan2177]

Ayton is not a culture fit

What the hell does that even mean? It's basketball for Christ sakes. :lol

[Degoat]

Spurs could fck a bunch of teams if they dropped Ayton a max offer lol everybody expects him involved in a KD trade in some way even if he’s shipped to another team

[wildbill2u]

I keep equating the Ayton/Williams tiff in a game situation with the Dennis Rodman/Pop situation back in the day. Rodman was gone in short order. Does anyone see Pop taking on Ayton after he pulls the same bullshit on one of Pop's favorites? I don't think so.

[KingKev]

I keep equating the Ayton/Williams tiff in a game situation with the Dennis Rodman/Pop situation back in the day. Rodman was gone in short order. Does anyone see Pop taking on Ayton after he pulls the same bullshit on one of Pop's favorites? I don't think so.

Pop can change him and make him a good boy.


But seriously Pop had interest in Spree even with PJ Carlisimo on the bench. If Pop thibks he can work with a player he’ll take a chance. Ayton is a boy scout compared to the characters of the late 90s and early 2000s.

[RC_Drunkford]

What the hell does that even mean? It's basketball for Christ sakes. :lol

I don't know. I'm just trolling the people who said that about Dejounte. You gotta ask them :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs new veteran PG to mess up the spacing some more?

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[Atl Spur]

I literally just said this……..and NO he won’t even try to “ make him a good boy “.

[Leetonidas]

Entire NBA world is on pause because of that dickwad KD and his psuedointellectual butt buddy. 10 min past official siging period and not a peep of any news

[Dverde]

Now open for all your NBA cap storage needs.
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[exstatic]

Entire NBA world is on pause because of that dickwad KD and his psuedointellectual butt buddy. 10 min past official siging period and not a peep of any news

I don’t blame KD, AT ALL. If I had left a championship environment and then had to put up with all of Kyries BS, I’d want out, too.

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t blame KD, AT ALL. If I had left a championship environment and then had to put up with all of Kyries BS, I’d want out, too.

Its what he wanted. He made that bed so that fuck should have to live in it.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t blame KD, AT ALL. If I had left a championship environment and then had to put up with all of Kyries BS, I’d want out, too.

Except he took Kyrie's side.

[KingKev]

Now open for all your NBA cap storage needs.
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He truly is better suited managing something like that lol

[Mugen]

I don’t blame KD, AT ALL. If I had left a championship environment and then had to put up with all of Kyries BS, I’d want out, too.

:lol He's the one that wanted to partner with Kyrie. He's also supposed to be the alpha dog that is supposed to keep guys like Kyrie in line. Instead, he wants out after the Nets paid him for his rehab season, fired Atkinson, and traded for Harden.

So now he wants to quit on them with 4yrs left on his deal and his preferred choices just happened to be the 1 seeds in both conferences last year? :lmao

[exstatic]

Except he took Kyrie's side.

Judging by his wanting out, I’d guess his support of Kyrie was window dressing at best. It’s not realistic to think you can throw an All NBA teammate under the bus in the middle of a season with no repercussions.

[Mr. Body]

Judging by his wanting out, I’d guess his support of Kyrie was window dressing at best. It’s not realistic to think you can throw an All NBA teammate under the bus in the middle of a season with no repercussions.

Seriously, though. He's pissed that the team (somehow) mistreated Kyrie. The last straw was not giving Kyrie an extension.

[John B]

I don’t blame KD, AT ALL. If I had left a championship environment and then had to put up with all of Kyries BS, I’d want out, too.

He has to feel for the people of Brooklyn and the Nets franchise for putting the team together for him, giving up future picks and all, and now wants out after just how many playoff appearances? If he’s not happy with Kyrie, then I guess that’s the message, get somebody else but not leave. Players nowadays just have too much power. Hence I somewhat liked how Morey stood up (right or wrong) and put Simmons on his place.

[Dverde]

How about McBuckets for Davis Bertrans with Dallas’ 2024 FRP?

[cool cat]

How about McBuckets for Davis Bertrans with Dallas’ 2024 FRP?

100% Bertrans is a great tank commander.

[BatManu20]

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[Degoat]

I still think the Dieng signing was wack lol

[Degoat]

Hope Jordan Hall gets the other 2 way deal, I like his game a lot.

[Leetonidas]

How about McBuckets for Davis Bertrans with Dallas’ 2024 FRP?

Why would Dallas trade an overpaid one dimensional shooter that plays no defense for the same thing while paying a 1st rounder for it...

[John B]

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We actually have 5 19 yrs olds with Barlow included :lol. I love that pick and the potential of a mobile big who can shoot, and likes to work hard and prove himself. Realistically 21-22 yrs old before these kids get that NBA body? At least for Sochan and Primo who we expect to be contributing and competing soon. 2-3 years folks!

[BatManu20]

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[KobesAchilles]

I don’t blame KD, AT ALL. If I had left a championship environment and then had to put up with all of Kyries BS, I’d want out, too.
That doesn’t hold water bc the Nets don’t want Kyrie. KD wants Kyrie still and the reason why he asked out is bc the Nets didn’t max out Kyrie.

[John B]

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Nah fuck the Fakers. Burn!!!

[Leetonidas]

The Lakers are so dumb. if you want to get out of Westy's contract, you're gonna have to pay. or you can just sit tight and waste another season until he is gone. This idea that they're going to offload him for free, get Kyrie back, while keeping their picks, is so asinine and just reeks of laker entitlement

Kyrie is done after this season too, so not sure why they think BKN is so desperate to dump him for an even worse contract. if its between Kyrie sitting at home and collecting 35 mil vs Russ embarrassing your team on the court for 47 mil, the choice is pretty clear tbh

[duncan2150]

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i don't see the offer that can satisfy the Nets and the Spurs. If someone have an idea ?

[Seventyniner]

I do tend to dislike the Lakers, but if they're willing to pony up enough then I'd take Westbrook into cap space (and cut him immediately). 2027/2029 firsts and 2026/2028 unprotected swaps could be golden in a few years.

[slick'81]

I do tend to dislike the Lakers, but if they're willing to pony up enough then I'd take Westbrook into cap space (and cut him immediately). 2027/2029 firsts and 2026/2028 unprotected swaps could be golden in a few years.

which is why la is being bitches

[Leetonidas]

What I'm struggling to think of is why SA would get 1sts instead of Brooklyn. i get we are taking WB into our cap so we get paid for our trouble, but I mean if BKN is trading the best player, shouldn't they get the best asset in return? it's not like they want any of the Lakers trash anyway and their only theoretical valuable commodity is their unprotected picks 5 years from now. not sure what a 3 team trade involving SA would even look like

[KingKev]

I do tend to dislike the Lakers, but if they're willing to pony up enough then I'd take Westbrook into cap space (and cut him immediately). 2027/2029 firsts and 2026/2028 unprotected swaps could be golden in a few years.

so would everyone else. The problem is the Lakers also want an asset in return and that is all they have to offer.

[exstatic]

i don't see the offer that can satisfy the Nets and the Spurs. If someone have an idea ?

Nope. $47M requires 2 FRPs to eat. That leaves them with nothing for a Kyrie trade.

[td4mvp2k]

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just like the lakers looking for easy way out because of who they are :lol

[exstatic]

What I'm struggling to think of is why SA would get 1sts instead of Brooklyn. i get we are taking WB into our cap so we get paid for our trouble, but I mean if BKN is trading the best player, shouldn't they get the best asset in return? it's not like they want any of the Lakers trash anyway and their only theoretical valuable commodity is their unprotected picks 5 years from now. not sure what a 3 team trade involving SA would even look like

Look back at OKCs history. $47M is a shit ton of cap room to ask for, and they’ll need to pony up 2FRPs for the privilege.

The reality is that the Lakers don’t have the assets to do both deals. They need multiple FRPs for both, and only have 2 available out to the end of the trade window in 2029.

[Russ]

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More teenagers than guys over 26.

[duncan2150]

Nope. $47M requires 2 FRPs to eat. That leaves them with nothing for a Kyrie trade.

Plus you need to give Nets some players and at least a pick. Really unlikely that the Spurs could facilitate this.

[Chomag]

Man, if the Spurs bail out the Laker's stupidity I don't know what to say.

Let them burn!

[Leetonidas]

Man, if the Spurs bail out the Laker's stupidity I don't know what to say.

Let them burn!

At this point all we should care about is our teams future. If the Lakers are willing to cough those picks up you take them period.

[rjv]

At this point all we should care about is our teams future. If the Lakers are willing to cough those picks up you take them period.

and in the end, you probably wind up screwing them over, perhaps even at a time that the spurs would be on the upswing.

[Mr. Body]

What I'm struggling to think of is why SA would get 1sts instead of Brooklyn. i get we are taking WB into our cap so we get paid for our trouble, but I mean if BKN is trading the best player, shouldn't they get the best asset in return? it's not like they want any of the Lakers trash anyway and their only theoretical valuable commodity is their unprotected picks 5 years from now. not sure what a 3 team trade involving SA would even look like

The Spurs don't need to get involved at all. Woj is just bored and/or ESPN is making TV.

ALL the Lakers have to trade is those two late FRPs (27, 29). They don't want to use them because that's all they have. And they may be trying to strongarm Marks because they can try.

Nets have to include more salary to match, so either Joe Harris or Seth Curry. Both have value, Curry has more.

So the Lakers think they can pry Kyrie Irving away and maybe even get Seth Curry for like one draft pick and Westbrook.

In no scenario above is the Spurs a requirement. They only get involved to 'absorb salary' but there's no salary to absorb unless somehow they take Westbrook, which makes no sense. Plus they would need sweeteners and who would give them? Brooklyn?

Nah.

1) Brooklyn is more likely to sit on Kyrie and -- yes -- sit on Durant and just tell them to play some goddamn basketball, the team is fine.

2) The Spurs aren't involved in this player's trade at all.

[Mr. Body]

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More teenagers than guys over 26.

A little bit of googling --

The youngest team in NBA history seems to have been the 2005-06 Atlanta Hawks (22.7 years average), with Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia, Joe Johnson, oldest player was Tyronn Lue at 28 years old.

The current Spurs roster has an average age of 21.56 years old. I'm too lazy to calculate per start of the season, but just adding 0.5 to the number to make up for six months... the Spurs seem to have the youngest roster in NBA history.

[CGD]

i don't see the offer that can satisfy the Nets and the Spurs. If someone have an idea ?

Agree. Pretty much LAL has two FRPs and a 2028 swap to offer up but that would have to be divided up between Nets and Spurs. Perhaps some of the LAL SRPs have value but I’m not too excited if it’s the main course.

Could Nets like Richardson or THT enough to prefer one/both over a pick? I don’t think so.

[mo7888]

Agree. Pretty much LAL has two FRPs and a 2028 swap to offer up but that would have to be divided up between Nets and Spurs. Perhaps some of the LAL SRPs have value but I’m not too excited if it’s the main course.

Could Nets like Richardson or THT enough to prefer one/both over a pick? I don’t think so.

It really depends on how much the Nets value the TE they'd be getting ($36M)... if they have something lined up to use it they might not require picks from LA.

[duncan2150]

The Spurs don't need to get involved at all. Woj is just bored and/or ESPN is making TV.

ALL the Lakers have to trade is those two late FRPs (27, 29). They don't want to use them because that's all they have. And they may be trying to strongarm Marks because they can try.

Nets have to include more salary to match, so either Joe Harris or Seth Curry. Both have value, Curry has more.

So the Lakers think they can pry Kyrie Irving away and maybe even get Seth Curry for like one draft pick and Westbrook.

In no scenario above is the Spurs a requirement. They only get involved to 'absorb salary' but there's no salary to absorb unless somehow they take Westbrook, which makes no sense. Plus they would need sweeteners and who would give them? Brooklyn?

Nah.

1) Brooklyn is more likely to sit on Kyrie and -- yes -- sit on Durant and just tell them to play some goddamn basketball, the team is fine.

2) The Spurs aren't involved in this player's trade at all.

totally agree

the only thing i disagree is that the Nets could send only Irving and no other player, for example Westbrook to SA, Poetl Mc Dermott and Horton Tucker to Nets and Irving to LA is ok.

In that kind of scenario, LA will need to give a lot of picks, they don't have much and it's really unlikely that it could be interesting for the Nets and the Spurs. If there's a deal, i see a two team deal between LA and BK.

[duncan2150]

edit : when you talk about Brooklyn adding some players Mr.Body, you probably talk about a two team deal so you're right in that case.

[Seventyniner]

How many firsts can the Lakers offer? If they're stupid enough can they give out 2027/2029/2031/2033/2035/2037? Plus swaps in the even years?

I don't know if there's a rule that stops teams from trading picks past a certain point in the future.

[Chinook]

How many firsts can the Lakers offer? If they're stupid enough can they give out 2027/2029/2031/2033/2035/2037? Plus swaps in the even years?

I don't know if there's a rule that stops teams from trading picks past a certain point in the future.

Can only go out seven years, so they have two picks (2027 and 2029) and three swaps {either 2024 or 2025 along with 2026 and 2028)

[lefty20]

A little bit of googling --

The youngest team in NBA history seems to have been the 2005-06 Atlanta Hawks (22.7 years average), with Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia, Joe Johnson, oldest player was Tyronn Lue at 28 years old.

The current Spurs roster has an average age of 21.56 years old. I'm too lazy to calculate per start of the season, but just adding 0.5 to the number to make up for six months... the Spurs seem to have the youngest roster in NBA history.

And some of the fans still insist that we're not "tanking".

FO has definitely committed to the tank by putting this roster together.

The players will still go out there and ball out for the W, but due to lack of talent and experience they'll simply fail to do so on a consistent basis. We're capped out at 20~ wins rn. It'd take a miracle for us to break 25.

We can argue on the semantics all day, but the bottom line is that a top 3 pick seems super likely next year and it just happens to be a really good year to land one of those.

[John B]

I don’t see the scenario of Lakers getting Kyrie and dumping Westbrooks. Unless they include AD in the conversation which is dumb. But then they start getting back picks, which they don’t really need as much because they just poach other talents. Man I hate these Fakers

[John B]

If I were the Fakers, I’d just run it back. Kyrie would be UFA next year and they can sign him them instead of putting more dents on their picks.

[exstatic]

How many firsts can the Lakers offer? If they're stupid enough can they give out 2027/2029/2031/2033/2035/2037? Plus swaps in the even years?

I don't know if there's a rule that stops teams from trading picks past a certain point in the future.

7 years. With the new league year started, you can now trade 2029 picks.

[exstatic]

If I were the Fakers, I’d just run it back. Kyrie would be UFA next year and they can sign him them instead of putting more dents on their picks.

Their payroll is so high that when RWs contract rolls off, they won’t have even one penny of cap room. That’s how far over the cap they are.

[LkrFan]

In lieu of WojTek comments:
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I present for your visual enjoyment, a blast from the past:
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:downspin:

[John B]

Their payroll is so high that when RWs contract rolls off, they won’t have even one penny of cap room. That’s how far over the cap they are.

Then they’re fucked :lol even more reason to just let them burn

[exstatic]

edit : when you talk about Brooklyn adding some players Mr.Body, you probably talk about a two team deal so you're right in that case.

They don’t have to get players in a 3 way, but they have to get something. A highly protected (top 55) SRP, or player rights to a player who will never come over.

They can’t just ship out Kyrie.

[Dex]

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Wiz just gave Bradley Beal a 5-year max WITH a no-trade clause, a 15% trade kicker, and a player option?

Just a reminder that there are people out their more brain-dead than the Spurs FO.

[KingKev]

How many firsts can the Lakers offer? If they're stupid enough can they give out 2027/2029/2031/2033/2035/2037? Plus swaps in the even years?

I don't know if there's a rule that stops teams from trading picks past a certain point in the future.

2027 and 2029.

[Dverde]

I think they should revise their name to “Klutch Presents…The Lakers”

[Dex]

*there

Fuck, I hate not being able to edit posts.
timvp The draft is over, can we flip the switches back to normal!?

[TeKu]

Not saying I necessarily like this but the sort of construction I could see being floated is:

LAL: Irving & McBuckets
Nets: Nunn and FRP (Charlotte 2023)
SA: Westbrook, 2 FRP's (LA 2027,2029 unprotected)

Is an unprotected LAL pick more attractive than that Charlotte pick (Bridges makes it less likely to convey?).

Would mean getting those 2 LAL unprotected picks at the cost of ~$36m in space, McBuckets (addition by subtraction?) and the Charlotte pick?

Still a shitty return for the Nets though.

[KingKev]

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Wiz just gave Bradley Beal a 5-year max WITH a no-trade clause, a 15% trade kicker, and a player option?

Just a reminder that there are people out their more brain-dead than the Spurs FO.

Yeah, seriously. Wiz making PATFO look like Jamie Dimon or Elon Musk.

Beal’s contract will be the worst in the league in 1-3 years if it isn’t already. Future Laker tbh.

[Dverde]

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Wiz just gave Bradley Beal a 5-year max WITH a no-trade clause, a 15% trade kicker, and a player option?

Just a reminder that there are people out their more brain-dead than the Spurs FO.

A trade kicker with a No-trade clause seems like an oxymoron. Just straight up cash grab.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have an an absurdly young team for their standards for like three or four years now. It's funny that people would think that means tanking when teams that were unabashedly tanking like Process Sixers still had older players on their roster.

My guess as to why the Spurs are hanging around the talks is to take guys like THT and Harris to save the teams money on the backend for assets. Harris has value in the right situation, but that situation may not be apparent. Or they might have value to a third team with only bad salary and assets to give, which neither principle team wants but SA might stomach for compensation. Also, though Harris is basically McDermott but more expensive. He's negative value for LAL, but swapping him out for Doug or even Richardson might be enough to get them to give up something good to the Spurs. Good enough? I don't know but like:

Westbrook and the 2027 first to BRK
Irving, Richardson and McDermott to LAL
Harris, THT, the 2029 first and additional incentive (seconds and/or a swap in 2026 or 2028) to SA

Saves both LAL and BRK a good deal of money. Get the Spurs another unprotected pick and a double-swap to boost the value of either the 2026 or 2028 first. It would encourage the Spurs to focus on near-term returns for Poeltl and the rest of their cap space, as their future would be stacked with quality assets.

[Dex]

A trade kicker with a No-trade clause seems like an oxymoron. Just straight up cash grab.

My thoughts exactly. Washington will continue to suck for another year or two, and then Beal can "request a trade" a.k.a. force his way out of town for more money, and also be able to pick the team of his liking.

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs don't need to get involved at all. Woj is just bored and/or ESPN is making TV.

ALL the Lakers have to trade is those two late FRPs (27, 29). They don't want to use them because that's all they have. And they may be trying to strongarm Marks because they can try.

Nets have to include more salary to match, so either Joe Harris or Seth Curry. Both have value, Curry has more.

So the Lakers think they can pry Kyrie Irving away and maybe even get Seth Curry for like one draft pick and Westbrook.

In no scenario above is the Spurs a requirement. They only get involved to 'absorb salary' but there's no salary to absorb unless somehow they take Westbrook, which makes no sense. Plus they would need sweeteners and who would give them? Brooklyn?

Nah.

1) Brooklyn is more likely to sit on Kyrie and -- yes -- sit on Durant and just tell them to play some goddamn basketball, the team is fine.

2) The Spurs aren't involved in this player's trade at all.

How does it not make sense? The spurs eat the contract and maybe send out a player, get pick(s) and the Nets get players/pick(s) and get a giant trade exemption while not having to send off any positive value players. It makes perfect sense that the Spurs would be a landing spot for Westbrook.

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs have an an absurdly young team for their standards for like three or four years now. It's funny that people would think that means tanking when teams that were unabashedly tanking like Process Sixers still had older players on their roster.

My guess as to why the Spurs are hanging around the talks is to take guys like THT and Harris to save the teams money on the backend for assets. Harris has value in the right situation, but that situation may not be apparent. Or they might have value to a third team with only bad salary and assets to give, which neither principle team wants but SA might stomach for compensation. Also, though Harris is basically McDermott but more expensive. He's negative value for LAL, but swapping him out for Doug or even Richardson might be enough to get them to give up something good to the Spurs. Good enough? I don't know but like:

Westbrook and the 2027 first to BRK
Irving, Richardson and McDermott to LAL
Harris, THT, the 2029 first and additional incentive (seconds and/or a swap in 2026 or 2028) to SA

Saves both LAL and BRK a good deal of money. Get the Spurs another unprotected pick and a double-swap to boost the value of either the 2026 or 2028 first. It would encourage the Spurs to focus on near-term returns for Poeltl and the rest of their cap space, as their future would be stacked with quality assets.

Are we sure the Nets wouldn't rather get the Spurs players as opposed to Westbrook?

[cd98]

How does it not make sense? The spurs eat the contract and maybe send out a player, get pick(s) and the Nets get players/pick(s) and get a giant trade exemption while not having to send off any positive value players. It makes perfect sense that the Spurs would be a landing spot for Westbrook.

Yes, there may be some way that they need a third team involved, but if the Spurs are taking Westbrook, what are they sending out? I mean we can't send out all our young players. McDermott? And what else? I just think it's noise. I imagine if there is a scenario where the spurs are involved, it's Durant.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, there may be some way that they need a third team involved, but if the Spurs are taking Westbrook, what are they sending out? I mean we can't send out all our young players. McDermott? And what else? I just think it's noise. I imagine if there is a scenario where the spurs are involved, it's Durant.

The Spurs don't need to send out much since they have all the cap space but the Spurs could easily send out Doug and Josh Richardson and be fine. They're likely going to move Josh at some point (and Doug if anyone out there considers him positive value). I think Poeltl has value so I'm not including him in this deal unless we get both Laker picks.

[spurraider21]

What I'm struggling to think of is why SA would get 1sts instead of Brooklyn. i get we are taking WB into our cap so we get paid for our trouble, but I mean if BKN is trading the best player, shouldn't they get the best asset in return? it's not like they want any of the Lakers trash anyway and their only theoretical valuable commodity is their unprotected picks 5 years from now. not sure what a 3 team trade involving SA would even look like
there was a proposal from an ESPN article that iirc had the spurs sending josh richardson and the charlotte protected first to brooklyn in the deal, where we get 2 unprotected firsts from LAL plus eat westbrook's deal

[MannyIsGod]

there was a proposal from an ESPN article that iirc had the spurs sending josh richardson and the charlotte protected first to brooklyn in the deal, where we get 2 unprotected firsts from LAL plus eat westbrook's deal

Yeah this would be good IMO. Those 2 Laker picks are fucking gold.

[Chinook]

Are we sure the Nets wouldn't rather get the Spurs players as opposed to Westbrook?

They might want the Spurs' players, but they aren't paying for them; LAL is. Brooklyn would have to pay to turn those players into Westbrook's huge contract. They'll have the assets after the Durant trade, but I don't know that they'll actually go through with that trade

[spurraider21]

there was a proposal from an ESPN article that iirc had the spurs sending josh richardson and the charlotte protected first to brooklyn in the deal, where we get 2 unprotected firsts from LAL plus eat westbrook's deal
was part of a bigger 4 team deal where nets also land ayton, mikal bridges, etc

[cd98]

The Spurs don't need to send out much since they have all the cap space but the Spurs could easily send out Doug and Josh Richardson and be fine. They're likely going to move Josh at some point (and Doug if anyone out there considers him positive value). I think Poeltl has value so I'm not including him in this deal unless we get both Laker picks.

Man, I know Kyrie tanked his value, but the best you can get for him is McDermott and Richardson? I think I would rather just keep the Laker picks if I was the Nets.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs have an an absurdly young team for their standards for like three or four years now. It's funny that people would think that means tanking when teams that were unabashedly tanking like Process Sixers still had older players on their roster.

My guess as to why the Spurs are hanging around the talks is to take guys like THT and Harris to save the teams money on the backend for assets. Harris has value in the right situation, but that situation may not be apparent. Or they might have value to a third team with only bad salary and assets to give, which neither principle team wants but SA might stomach for compensation. Also, though Harris is basically McDermott but more expensive. He's negative value for LAL, but swapping him out for Doug or even Richardson might be enough to get them to give up something good to the Spurs. Good enough? I don't know but like:

Westbrook and the 2027 first to BRK
Irving, Richardson and McDermott to LAL
Harris, THT, the 2029 first and additional incentive (seconds and/or a swap in 2026 or 2028) to SA

Saves both LAL and BRK a good deal of money. Get the Spurs another unprotected pick and a double-swap to boost the value of either the 2026 or 2028 first. It would encourage the Spurs to focus on near-term returns for Poeltl and the rest of their cap space, as their future would be stacked with quality assets.

I really don't see Brooklyn revitalizing Lakers for a first round pick. Harris isn't a bad player nor is he dead salary. I doubt they're getting rid of him otherwise.

I'm not sure Marks is going to see himself as forced to do anything, no matter how much ESPN and Klutch whine. They can afford to wait.

[Chinook]

I really don't see Brooklyn revitalizing Lakers for a first round pick. Harris isn't a bad player nor is he dead salary. I doubt they're getting rid of him otherwise.

Harris isn't a good player, though, and his not buoyant salary. McDermott in a down year still outperformed Harris, and it wasn't close before this. Swapping them is an upgrade for the Lakers, as is taking back all that extra salary and trading Richardson, which is why the Spurs get assets. Saving on Harris and getting rid of a player who is struggling to have positive trade value is the reason why Nets do this.


I'm not sure Marks is going to see himself as forced to do anything, no matter how much ESPN and Klutch whine. They can afford to wait.

Marks has been getting forced to do stuff for years now. He went from a bright GM to one of the ill-performing ones overnight. I imagine he'll be glad to excise Durant and Irving, assuming ownership lets him survive the process. He definitely wants a good deal on Durant, but I don't think he view Kyrie in the same regard at all.

[Mr. Body]

Harris isn't a good player, though, and his not buoyant salary. McDermott in a down year still outperformed Harris, and it wasn't close before this. Swapping them is an upgrade for the Lakers, as is taking back all that extra salary and trading Richardson, which is why the Spurs get assets. Saving on Harris and getting rid of a player who is struggling to have positive trade value is the reason why Nets do this.



Marks has been getting forced to do stuff for years now. He went from a bright GM to one of the ill-performing ones overnight. I imagine he'll be glad to excise Durant and Irving, assuming ownership lets him survive the process. He definitely wants a good deal on Durant, but I don't think he view Kyrie in the same regard at all.

Harris was literally hurt all last year. He played 14 games. I'd still take him over McDermott.

Anyway, Marks isn't going to trade Irving for nothing. The fanbase, who hates Kyrie, wouldn't take it. I live in the market, by the way. There's no reason to get the Spurs involved as a way to get LA even more talent and split the only two first round assets the Lakers have. If Brooklyn gives LA Irving, it will be both picks. Or, again, they'll just sit on him. They aren't going to immediately improve the Lakers and just eat Westbrook's salary like that. They don't need to save on Harris. They'd rather keep him and play him.

And Marks has done a good job throughout this before the idiot qualities of his three stars clashed.

[Dverde]

Spurs Legend Jock Landale to the Suns

[Chinook]

Harris was literally hurt all last year. He played 14 games. I'd still take him over McDermott.

Last year they were close. Before that, Doug was a clearly better player. Harris is the type of guy who gets hyped in a big market but is only average. It wasn't a good contract that he got, which is why the Lakers keep rejecting it being part of the deal.


Anyway, Marks isn't going to trade Irving for nothing. The fanbase, who hates Kyrie, wouldn't take it. I live in the market, by the way. There's no reason to get the Spurs involved as a way to get LA even more talent and split the only two first round assets the Lakers have. If Brooklyn gives LA Irving, it will be both picks. Or, again, they'll just sit on him. They aren't going to immediately improve the Lakers and just eat Westbrook's salary like that. They don't need to save on Harris. They'd rather keep him and play him.

I'm sure Marks wants the picks, and Nets fans want their desire to move Kyrie to line up with their desire for their team to get a good haul for him. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. Nets fans might riot or whatever, but fuckem. They've dealt with worse years.


And Marks has done a good job throughout this before the idiot qualities of his three stars clashed.

Marks brought together those stars, knowing their personalities. They're in the situation they're in because they traded for Harden despite how he began the year with Houston. That's his fault. He did some good things early but was either too short-sighted or too week to continue to do the right thing. He's going to look for what he thinks is best for the team, not what makes fans happy. If he doesn't, it'll be because he couldn't stand up to ownership, which would likely result in him being let go anyway. I still wouldn't put it past the team for them to trade Kyrie, get rid of Marks and then try to beg Durant to stay for another year or two.

[tonight...you]

Yeah this would be good IMO. Those 2 Laker picks are fucking gold.
5 and 7 years from now?
All the albatrosses will be off the books and they'll reload with FA's like they always do by then.
I think those picks are tin, not gold.

[Mr. Body]

Just don't see the Spurs involved at all in a Kyrie trade.

Now Kyrie is saying he'll go to LA no matter what after this year. Be interested to see, but I don't feel Brooklyn will be excited to be forced to accept a Lakers package without both picks. They can just let the clown sit -- he sat last year because he was a brat. If it's both picks, they'll probably jump.

Don't see other teams renting Kyrie for a year since he's such a douchebag, distraction, and completely untrustworthy.

[FutureMan]

A successful trade for me is one with unprotected picks and no Talen Horton Tucker. He’s probably one of the most overrated players.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Overall Raptor (rate stat), 1 minute minimum

481) -4.6 Ignas Brazdeikis, Skylar Mays, Doug McDermott, Brandon Williams
485) -4.7 Joe Harris, Jonathan Kuminga, Nick Richards, Robin Lopez, Elfrid Payton

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Just don't see the Spurs involved at all in a Kyrie trade.

Now Kyrie is saying he'll go to LA no matter what after this year. Be interested to see, but I don't feel Brooklyn will be excited to be forced to accept a Lakers package without both picks. They can just let the clown sit -- he sat last year because he was a brat. If it's both picks, they'll probably jump.

Don't see other teams renting Kyrie for a year since he's such a douchebag, distraction, and completely untrustworthy.

Dumbass shouldn't have opted into his deal if he wanted to go play with Lebron. Lakers front office is so down to nothing on draft picks they cant afford to have someone both eat Westbrook's $47.5M AND then have anything of value to trade the Nets. Had Kyrie not opted in, they could have carved out a higher salary for him post a Westbrook trade to a team like the Spurs. As it is, he would have only gotten ~$6M if the Lakers could have persuaded the Nets to trade him for those 2 FRPs.

Idiots all around between Kyrie and Lakers pathetic front office.

Sad thing is, after this year Westbrook comes off their books, and once again theyll be signibg the NBA's best FAs. Theyll never have to revel in their horrible signings the way almost all other teams do because they just have to wait out the contract and reload. Fuck the lakers to their core.

[Seventyniner]

I think a 4th team will have to be involved in an Irving/Westbrook mega trade with the Spurs facilitating. Both the Nets and Spurs will insist on incoming assets, and the Lakers don't have enough to offer to placate both teams imo.

The question becomes: which other team will get involved, and what assets will they have and be willing to give up? Are the Lakers willing to part with both 2027 and 2029 unprotected firsts without getting Irving back, instead just turning Westbrook into actual useful players? This 4th team might be willing to give up assets for Irving, that's what I'm thinking.

[CGD]

Not saying I necessarily like this but the sort of construction I could see being floated is:

LAL: Irving & McBuckets
Nets: Nunn and FRP (Charlotte 2023)
SA: Westbrook, 2 FRP's (LA 2027,2029 unprotected)

Is an unprotected LAL pick more attractive than that Charlotte pick (Bridges makes it less likely to convey?).

Would mean getting those 2 LAL unprotected picks at the cost of ~$36m in space, McBuckets (addition by subtraction?) and the Charlotte pick?

Still a shitty return for the Nets though.

Seems about right. I’ve been thinking about upgrading that CHA pick too. Doug is 5M a year cheaper than Harris so LAL may prefer it to Harris. Wouldn’t be upset if Richardson goes out Nets as well.

[BacktoBasics]

5 and 7 years from now?
All the albatrosses will be off the books and they'll reload with FA's like they always do by then.
I think those picks are tin, not gold.
It’s a coin toss worth taking for a one year rental on a player who would never see the court or stifle our youth.

[Seventyniner]

Random thought: the Spurs already have top-1 protected swap rights with Boston in 2028. If the Spurs could acquire another 2028 first, does the swap allow the Spurs to switch Boston's pick with the worse of the Spurs' two? Assuming Boston's natural pick is the best of the three, of course.

And if the Spurs got swap rights with the Lakers' natural first in 2028, could they potentially use both swaps if they enter the draft having two firsts already?

I'm just wondering how valuable 2028 swap rights with the Lakers would be if the Spurs want to wring more value out of their cap space. Are there any limitations on how far out a team can grant swap rights?

[NickiRasgo]

Just don't see the Spurs involved at all in a Kyrie trade.

Now Kyrie is saying he'll go to LA no matter what after this year. Be interested to see, but I don't feel Brooklyn will be excited to be forced to accept a Lakers package without both picks. They can just let the clown sit -- he sat last year because he was a brat. If it's both picks, they'll probably jump.

Don't see other teams renting Kyrie for a year since he's such a douchebag, distraction, and completely untrustworthy.

This isn't about Kyrie nor AD, it's about LeBron. lol He's not known for being patient.

LeBron is 37 and will be 38 almost this coming season. He can't afford to wait unless he told LA that he's planning to go somewhere else.
If last year didn't work out even with the injuries, I don't think it's still repairable this coming season esp. with Westbrook. If Lakers chose to stay pat with Westbrook, I don't think Westbrook will care anymore as long as he gets his paycheck.
Wesbrook is aware that he's the "black goat" on the team.

Either way, Lakers can't afford to wait as well as they're quite stuck anyways with the situation esp. with no instant asset/s (draft pick/s) to workaround so they'll have to do something sooner or later. A lot can happen in 1 year so there's no guarantee that Kyrie will still choose to sign with the Lakers next offseason if they won't trade for him this offseason.

[rankingtear]

Random thought: the Spurs already have top-1 protected swap rights with Boston in 2028. If the Spurs could acquire another 2028 first, does the swap allow the Spurs to switch Boston's pick with the worse of the Spurs' two? Assuming Boston's natural pick is the best of the three, of course.

And if the Spurs got swap rights with the Lakers' natural first in 2028, could they potentially use both swaps if they enter the draft having two firsts already?

I'm just wondering how valuable 2028 swap rights with the Lakers would be if the Spurs want to wring more value out of their cap space. Are there any limitations on how far out a team can grant swap rights?

RealGM says no. You only can swap your own pick.

[Ice009]

Seriously, though. He's pissed that the team (somehow) mistreated Kyrie. The last straw was not giving Kyrie an extension.

What? Did he want Kyrie to get an extension and that's why he wants out? I thought he didn't want to play with him anymore?

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What? Did he want Kyrie to get an extension and that's why he wants out? I thought he didn't want to play with him anymore?

My reading of the situation falls in line with what Mr. Body posted, but who the hell knows. Tea leaves from the Shams and Wojs and SASs of the world is how I came to the conclusion

[Payote75]

I'm ok with the rebuild but geeezez Christ have we really sunk so low as to give a fan base picks 5-6 years from now. We don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow and your asking a fan base to accept shit like that while helping that crap ass laker team. Makes me sick if you at least talking 2024 even 2025 which in itself is stil crazy but come on we deserve better man. We went from spoiled to shit.

[Chinook]

RealGM says no. You only can swap your own pick.

No, you can swap whatever picks you have. The Spurs can't just unilaterally change their agreement with Boston to give them LAL's pick instead of their own, but they could agree to swap the worse of the BOS/SAS pick with LAL's pick in 2028. Just look at that mess of a swap for seconds in 2026. Also, as mentioned OKC had the right to swap Boston's 2021 first with Houston's had the Rockets not secured at top-three (or top-four -- I don't remember). They didn't even have the Boston pick when that original trade was made.

[tonight...you]

It’s a coin toss worth taking for a one year rental on a player who would never see the court or stifle our youth.
You son of a bitch, I'm in!

[The Truth #6]

What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.

[Teamduncan21]

What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.

We need to lose. So no Westbrook shooting at high level. Maybe next year

[rankingtear]

No, you can swap whatever picks you have. The Spurs can't just unilaterally change their agreement with Boston to give them LAL's pick instead of their own, but they could agree to swap the worse of the BOS/SAS pick with LAL's pick in 2028. Just look at that mess of a swap for seconds in 2026. Also, as mentioned OKC had the right to swap Boston's 2021 first with Houston's had the Rockets not secured at top-three (or top-four -- I don't remember). They didn't even have the Boston pick when that original trade was made.

Yeah your right on the first part. OKC has a swap for the MIA 1st not BOS. You can't just swap a first you acquired after the agreement though. I don't think.

[Das Texan]

there was a proposal from an ESPN article that iirc had the spurs sending josh richardson and the charlotte protected first to brooklyn in the deal, where we get 2 unprotected firsts from LAL plus eat westbrook's deal

ya and that deal is fucking stupid from the spurs standpoint, so fuck that dumb espn proposal.

[Chinook]

Yeah your right on the first part. OKC has a swap for the MIA 1st not BOS. You can't just swap a first you acquired after the agreement though. I don't think.

Yeah, I read that it was Miami's pick (the Dragic pick from forever ago). I think I remember someone on ESPN saying it was Boston's pick, but they might've just been mistaken. Or I misunderstood them.

[TimDunkem]

ya and that deal is fucking stupid from the spurs standpoint, so fuck that dumb espn proposal.

BSPN talking heads have literally been playing with the trade machine for days trying to figure out how to make Kyrie to LA happen. :lol

One segment a few days ago had Bobby Marks seemingly randomly selecting contracts on other teams to pair up for a Kyrie trade. Marks hit the trade button and it failed. Guy wasn't even doing the math, just poking around hoping a scenario he could reasonably discuss would come up while the host stood there awkwardly waiting for something to happen. :lol

[exstatic]

Not saying I necessarily like this but the sort of construction I could see being floated is:

LAL: Irving & McBuckets
Nets: Nunn and FRP (Charlotte 2023)
SA: Westbrook, 2 FRP's (LA 2027,2029 unprotected)

Is an unprotected LAL pick more attractive than that Charlotte pick (Bridges makes it less likely to convey?).

Would mean getting those 2 LAL unprotected picks at the cost of ~$36m in space, McBuckets (addition by subtraction?) and the Charlotte pick?

Still a shitty return for the Nets though.

Nope. That’s a net of only 1 FRP, 2 in 1 out. Also, Shitty return for Nets, as you said.

[rankingtear]

Getting unprotected picks for cap space is rare. We got 2 protected 1st and a couple of seconds for 40+ mil in space last year. OKC got even less for their cap space. 2 unprotected picks is a win. We have to send back salary more than 9 mil I think that is why JRich is included.

[exstatic]

This isn't about Kyrie nor AD, it's about LeBron. lol He's not known for being patient.

LeBron is 37 and will be 38 almost this coming season. He can't afford to wait unless he told LA that he's planning to go somewhere else.
If last year didn't work out even with the injuries, I don't think it's still repairable this coming season esp. with Westbrook. If Lakers chose to stay pat with Westbrook, I don't think Westbrook will care anymore as long as he gets his paycheck.
Wesbrook is aware that he's the "black goat" on the team.

Either way, Lakers can't afford to wait as well as they're quite stuck anyways with the situation esp. with no instant asset/s (draft pick/s) to workaround so they'll have to do something sooner or later. A lot can happen in 1 year so there's no guarantee that Kyrie will still choose to sign with the Lakers next offseason if they won't trade for him this offseason.
LeBron is going wherever Bronny is drafted. He’s already said so. Besides, how much longer is he going to play, anyway? He’s entering his 20th season, and he has a ton of mileage, over 52K minutes in the regular season, with another 11K minutes in the playoffs. Tim’s numbers, for contrast, were 47K and 9K.

[exstatic]

What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.

If we get RW, immediate buyout negotiations will commence. He’ll never play a minute for SA.

[spurraider21]

ya and that deal is fucking stupid from the spurs standpoint, so fuck that dumb espn proposal.
A lottery protected first which might never convey and Josh richardson (who might be worth a lottery protected first at best) for two unprotected picks down the line from a team that should legitimately by awful then? You could argue that eating one year of westbrook salary isn’t worth that, but I’d do it

[exstatic]

Getting unprotected picks for cap space is rare. We got 2 protected 1st and a couple of seconds for 40+ mil in space last year. OKC got even less for their cap space. 2 unprotected picks is a win. We have to send back salary more than 9 mil I think that is why JRich is included.

In my mind, they don’t have to be completely unprotected, but if you’re sending out JRich, that’s like throwing a FRP into the pot. He can be monetized into one later in the season. Make the Lakers eat McDs contract, or no deal.

[BacktoBasics]

What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.

You know brick could be a massive piece on a team making a run. He’s capable of elevating teammates and controlling the pace of a game.

Flat out refusing to change his game and evolve will always be the barrier. He just can’t get past that ego. I’m not even trying to be ironic in a spurs sense. Dude could have cemented a legacy if only he would have been willing to reapply his talent into a different style.

[Ice009]

My reading of the situation falls in line with what Mr. Body posted, but who the hell knows. Tea leaves from the Shams and Wojs and SASs of the world is how I came to the conclusion

Thanks. I just assumed he wanted out due to Kyrie, not because he wasn't extended. Interesting if true.


What would be hilarious is if the Spurs somehow end up with Westbrick and Chip fixes his shot, bringing honor back to the Westbrook name et cetera. Lol.

Imagine Chip getting Russell's jump shot up in the vicinity of Curry's. Speaking of Westbrook, I always thought if the Spurs traded from him when he was still in OKC, I thought Pop could elevate his game and get him closest to his best potential. I feel it's too late now, but I would have loved to have seen what Pop could have done with him when he was still in his prime. I also think Chip could have helped him become a better shooter if the Spurs got him years ago. He might have been a different/better player had he have come to the Spurs instead of the Rockets, Wizards, Lakers.

[stephen jackson]

As always we are ten years to late .

[Ariel]

Imagine Chip getting Russell's jump shot up in the vicinity of Curry's. Speaking of Westbrook, I always thought if the Spurs traded from him when he was still in OKC, I thought Pop could elevate his game and get him closest to his best potential. I feel it's too late now, but I would have loved to have seen what Pop could have done with him when he was still in his prime. I also think Chip could have helped him become a better shooter if the Spurs got him years ago. He might have been a different/better player had he have come to the Spurs instead of the Rockets, Wizards, Lakers.
Westbrook's issues are not restricted to his jump shot, his decision making is horrible and he's a turnover machine. The best bet to fix his issues would be a brain transplant. Do the Spurs have the cure for that?

[rankingtear]

5 and 7 years from now?
All the albatrosses will be off the books and they'll reload with FA's like they always do by then.
I think those picks are tin, not gold.

LAL has 6 top 10 picks in the last 10 years. It is gold.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Getting unprotected picks for cap space is rare. We got 2 protected 1st and a couple of seconds for 40+ mil in space last year. OKC got even less for their cap space. 2 unprotected picks is a win. We have to send back salary more than 9 mil I think that is why JRich is included.

It may be rare but the Lebron era in LA is done if they can't swing this trade. Spurs have all the leverage here.

[tonight...you]

LAL has 6 top 10 picks in the last 10 years. It is gold.
I guess we'll see.

[widowmaker]

LeBron is going wherever Bronny is drafted. He’s already said so. Besides, how much longer is he going to play, anyway? He’s entering his 20th season, and he has a ton of mileage, over 52K minutes in the regular season, with another 11K minutes in the playoffs. Tim’s numbers, for contrast, were 47K and 9K.


Sounds like hes due a career altering or ending injury.

[rascal]

A lottery protected first which might never convey and Josh richardson (who might be worth a lottery protected first at best) for two unprotected picks down the line from a team that should legitimately by awful then? You could argue that eating one year of westbrook salary isn’t worth that, but I’d do it

You can never figure the Lakers to be terrible in the future.

They can just buy players and don't need draft picks to be good.

[exstatic]

You can never figure the Lakers to be terrible in the future.

They can just buy players and don't need draft picks to be good.

6 lottery picks in the past 10 years. Had to be said again.

[rascal]

6 lottery picks in the past 10 years. Had to be said again.

Still don't like it. They will reload after Bron and Davis are gone with cap space.

[John B]

I guess we'll see.

Yup all those lottery picks who are now playing elsewhere: Ingram, Russell, Ball, Randle, Hunter (Atl)

[KingKev]

Sounds like hes due a career altering or ending injury.

Probably the opposite. In addition to innate/genetic freakishness he has been treating his body like few others have for 15 years. He is not human at this point.

[spurraider21]

You can never figure the Lakers to be terrible in the future.

They can just buy players and don't need draft picks to be good.
Lebron will be gone by then. And they were pretty miserable before he got there

[rascal]

Lebron will be gone by then. And they were pretty miserable before he got there

That doesn't mean they will be terrible after he leaves. The Lakers always try to build through free agency and are always a top destination for the top free agents.

I would not bet on them being bad after Lebron leaves.

[John B]

That doesn't mean they will be terrible after he leaves. The Lakers always try to build through free agency and are always a top destination for the top free agents.

I would not bet on them being bad after Lebron leaves.

After LeBron and KD, who’s next? Giannis will not leave Bucks, likewise Jokic. Davis is a porcelain. Zion is probably heading to Knicks. Doncic is not leaving Dallas. I don’t really see any talent that would necessarily tip the balance.

Actually looking at it, USA basketball might not be as dominant in the years after. But that’s maybe fit for another thread.

[Mr. Body]

Probably the opposite. In addition to innate/genetic freakishness he has been treating his body like few others have for 15 years. He is not human at this point.

Steriods

[Leetonidas]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Hield & Turner for Ayton and Saric maybe? Then Phoenix could make an offer to Brooklyn with Hield, Turner, Bridges and picks

[BatManu20]

Lol.

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[MannyIsGod]

Are we sure that pick swaps don't just give you the right to switch with ANY picks you have in the first round that year? I heard it being discussed that way by people I trust but I'm not sure. IOW not just your pick but picks you've acquired from other teams.

[MannyIsGod]

Lol.

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lmao yeah no fucking shit they declined. If I'm Minnesota AE alone is untradeable.

[Mr. Body]

That's really similar to what Morey was doing with Simmons last year, asking for king's ransoms.

[Leetonidas]

Nets and their fans are delusional if they think they're going to get some kind of hefty package for their aging, injury prone star. Maybe if KD was 27 but no one is ponying up all that for a 34 year old KD.

the teams that have the ability to trade for him would have to give up too much to where it wouldnt be worth it. and the other teams like us wouldnt have a point in trading for him anyway. KD really screwed the Nets big time

[spurraider21]

Lol.

1545079152448917504
theres no way thats real lol

[exstatic]

That doesn't mean they will be terrible after he leaves. The Lakers always try to build through free agency and are always a top destination for the top free agents.

I would not bet on them being bad after Lebron leaves.
No one went there between 2016 when Kobe retired and 2018 when LeBron signed on, and led them to the lottery. You also need to know that LeBron didn’t go to the Lakers, he went to LA to expand into the entertainment industry. Most players don’t care about or have the ability or $$$ to do that.

[spurraider21]

Nets and their fans are delusional if they think they're going to get some kind of hefty package for their aging, injury prone star. Maybe if KD was 27 but no one is ponying up all that for a 34 year old KD.

the teams that have the ability to trade for him would have to give up too much to where it wouldnt be worth it. and the other teams like us wouldnt have a point in trading for him anyway. KD really screwed the Nets big time
biggest risk of KD is him playing for 1-2 seasons and becoming disgruntled again, leaving another team in ashes

[exstatic]

Steriods

HGH. The jawline always tells the tale. He and Wade both grew beards after their first few years in the league to try to hide it.

[MannyIsGod]

No, you can swap whatever picks you have. The Spurs can't just unilaterally change their agreement with Boston to give them LAL's pick instead of their own, but they could agree to swap the worse of the BOS/SAS pick with LAL's pick in 2028. Just look at that mess of a swap for seconds in 2026. Also, as mentioned OKC had the right to swap Boston's 2021 first with Houston's had the Rockets not secured at top-three (or top-four -- I don't remember). They didn't even have the Boston pick when that original trade was made.

OK disregard my previous post becuase this was how I understood it worked.

[MannyIsGod]

That doesn't mean they will be terrible after he leaves. The Lakers always try to build through free agency and are always a top destination for the top free agents.

I would not bet on them being bad after Lebron leaves.

Did we not witness nearly a decade of the Lakers missing the playoffs? after Lebron leaves they're gonna be rebuilding for awhile. Especially because the cupboard will be bare AF.

[KingKev]

HGH. The jawline always tells the tale. He and Wade both grew beards after their first few years in the league to try to hide it.

As someone who has smashed steroids in my younger days it isn’t that simple. If you think they were on PEDs than you are a conspiracist.

[Mr. Body]

As someone who has smashed steroids in my younger days it isn’t that simple. If you think they were on PEDs than you are a conspiracist.

LeBron is definitely pumping something. He's there with Peyton Manning.

[KingKev]

LeBron is definitely pumping something. He's there with Peyton Manning.

I mean he spends 1mm a year on diet, nutrition and professional MDs. Maybe he’s not natural but give the guy his flowers. This isn’t baseball where guys were just smashing juice they got from a raid at the local vet.

[widowmaker]

Probably the opposite. In addition to innate/genetic freakishness he has been treating his body like few others have for 15 years. He is not human at this point.


Father time is undefeated.

[Mugen]

That Lakers 2027 pick is going to be juicy AF tbh. If the Spurs can get that unprotected, I'd take Westbrook in a heartbeat.

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That Lakers 2027 pick is going to be juicy AF tbh. If the Spurs can get that unprotected, I'd take Westbrook in a heartbeat.

Just one pick? Taking Westbrook off their hands is the Lakers only shot at ringing again with Lebron most likely. That's easily worth 2 picks to shade over their incompetence.

[NickiRasgo]

LeBron is going wherever Bronny is drafted. He’s already said so. Besides, how much longer is he going to play, anyway? He’s entering his 20th season, and he has a ton of mileage, over 52K minutes in the regular season, with another 11K minutes in the playoffs. Tim’s numbers, for contrast, were 47K and 9K.

Bronny might go undrafted or at the earliest, 2nd round. Prolly some team will hold him up to recruit LeBron or force the Lakers to give up something for Bronny. lol
Funny if Bronny get drafted by one of the least desirable team/city.

Anyways, he can always do that in teaming up with Bronny on his last or farewell season. I'm pretty sure LeBron is still eyeing for that 5th esp. with the Warriors (Curry) winning recently.
LeBron still probably has the say with the Lakers' FO and the Lakers can't afford to stand pat esp. with LeBron's age. They're also probably tempted to overtake Celtics with the most number of championships.

[R. DeMurre]

If the Spurs rent Westbrook for a year, a lot of narratives go out the window: "character matters," "we only get guys who are over themselves," "defensive effort matters," "we're not tanking, we're rebuilding with youth," etc., etc... It would change the entire perception of the Spurs as an entity for the foreseeable future.

[exstatic]

Bronny might go undrafted or at the earliest, 2nd round. Prolly some team will hold him up to recruit LeBron or force the Lakers to give up something for Bronny. lol
Funny if Bronny get drafted by one of the least desirable team/city.

Anyways, he can always do that in teaming up with Bronny on his last or farewell season. I'm pretty sure LeBron is still eyeing for that 5th esp. with the Warriors (Curry) winning recently.
LeBron still probably has the say with the Lakers' FO and the Lakers can't afford to stand pat esp. with LeBron's age. They're also probably tempted to overtake Celtics with the most number of championships.

As of right now, Bronnys first season will be LeBrons 22nd. There will not be any waiting.

[KingKev]

^ anyone who believes the chips will just fall into place and LBJ follows just can’t be helped in life. Second rounders have power these days if you haven’t noticed. Bronny is fringe NBA talent at this point which only makes it easier for he and LBJ to team up wherever they want. If’s not like the team that organically takes a chance on Bronny gets LBJ.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs rent Westbrook for a year, a lot of narratives go out the window: "character matters," "we only get guys who are over themselves," "defensive effort matters," "we're not tanking, we're rebuilding with youth," etc., etc... It would change the entire perception of the Spurs as an entity for the foreseeable future.

They
Won’t
Keep
Him.

He has zero fit on this team for all the reasons you stated.

[Dverde]

If the Spurs rent Westbrook for a year, a lot of narratives go out the window: "character matters," "we only get guys who are over themselves," "defensive effort matters," "we're not tanking, we're rebuilding with youth," etc., etc... It would change the entire perception of the Spurs as an entity for the foreseeable future.

Dude they are going to buy him out and he’ll go ring chasing like the others.

[mo7888]

If the Spurs rent Westbrook for a year, a lot of narratives go out the window: "character matters," "we only get guys who are over themselves," "defensive effort matters," "we're not tanking, we're rebuilding with youth," etc., etc... It would change the entire perception of the Spurs as an entity for the foreseeable future.

No it wouldn't because, like Galinari, we'd waive him immediately..

[John B]

Dude they are going to buy him out and he’ll go ring chasing like the others.

The thing is which championship team would want to sign cancer Westbrick? :lol

[CGD]

Weird that we haven't heard anything serious about Ayton of Sexton. Outside of the KD/Irving saga, those seems to be the only "big" FA pieces left. The Miles Bridges things has probably had an underrated impact on this FA by shifting CHA's focus to other priorities.

I'm kinda eager to move on from the Irving things so the Spurs can get to other potential business like potentially moving Jakob before the season starts.

[Mugen]

Just one pick? Taking Westbrook off their hands is the Lakers only shot at ringing again with Lebron most likely. That's easily worth 2 picks to shade over their incompetence.

I have zero faith in BWrong's negotiation skills tbh :lol

[Jordan Jackson]

People started given LBJ and Wade the side eye after the PED scandal at the Biogenesis clinic out of Florida.

They both look like Quagmire.

[Dex]

No it wouldn't because, like Galinari, we'd waive him immediately..

Real question, not even being sarcastic here...but waiving off Westbrook means the Spurs handing just him $47M to go away?

I get that it keeps his money off our books for cap purposes and keeps "both sides happy" and yada yada...but if I'm the ownership group, I'm balking at paying a guy nearly $50M just to leave, especially since they just paid Danilo like $10M to beat it.

[Ocotillo]

Real question, not even being sarcastic here...but waiving off Westbrook means the Spurs handing just him $47M to go away?

I get that it keeps his money off our books for cap purposes and keeps "both sides happy" and yada yada...but if I'm the ownership group, I'm balking at paying a guy nearly $50M just to leave, especially since they just paid Danilo like $10M to beat it.

Cap is still impacted

[Dex]

Cap is still impacted

Even for a waived player? I assumed once you waive them, they are off the books but...I guess that's why you shouldn't assume things

[exstatic]

Even for a waived player? I assumed once you waive them, they are off the books but...I guess that's why you shouldn't assume things

We can only recoup the roster spot. The money stays on the books until next July. I would hope we could negotiate a small buyout, like maybe $6+M that he’ll probably get for taxpayer MLE.

[Seventyniner]

Even for a waived player? I assumed once you waive them, they are off the books but...I guess that's why you shouldn't assume things

Yup, WB would stay on the cap sheet. Otherwise rich teams would waive highly paid fringe players all the time to create space and/or reduce luxury tax bills.

If he agrees to a buyout and signs with another team, I think the cap hit is reduced by whatever the new team pays him? Better to ask someone who actually knows.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I still don’t think the spurs will ever do business with the lakers while pop and rc are alive. Unless it’s an absolute fleecing

[Dverde]

I hope Westbrick can work out a deal like Bobby Bonilla and stretch out his pay out into yearly payments.

[John B]

We can only recoup the roster spot. The money stays on the books until next July. I would hope we could negotiate a small buyout, like maybe $6+M that he’ll probably get for taxpayer MLE.

Like paying Westbrick 40mil to go away... or 20 mil per each (maybe lottery) unprotected FRP's assuming Spurs get two. Yikes

[John B]

I still don’t think the spurs will ever do business with the lakers while pop and rc are alive. Unless it’s an absolute fleecing

And gift Lakers with Kyrie and possibly another ring for Fakers and Lebron's 5th tying Timmy... Yup.

[BatManu20]

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[Ariel]

Real question, not even being sarcastic here...but waiving off Westbrook means the Spurs handing just him $47M to go away?

I get that it keeps his money off our books for cap purposes and keeps "both sides happy" and yada yada...but if I'm the ownership group, I'm balking at paying a guy nearly $50M just to leave, especially since they just paid Danilo like $10M to beat it.
So what, you're going to have him mow the lawn? It's a sunk cost, that money is not going back. If you buy a soup can and it comes with poison in it, you're going to drink it not to throw away what you spent on it?

[John B]

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I rather it's the Spurs S&T with Poeltl, instead of this mad-idea of Westbrick buyout

[John B]

So what, you're going to have him mow the lawn? It's a sunk cost, that money is not going back. If you buy a soup can and it comes with poison in it, you're going to drink it not to throw away what you spent on it?

I'd had him put on the Coyote and compete in the mascot dunk contest tbh

[BatManu20]

I rather it's the Spurs S&T with Poeltl, instead of this mad-idea of Westbrick buyout

Not a huge fan of the Westbrick S&T idea either, but trading for Ayton at this point would makes no sense considering we just traded DJ, and based on the multiple reports out of PHX that they don’t want to max Ayton because his attitude and work ethic are shitty, I’m confident the Spurs won’t trade for him anyways. We’re going all in on the tank imo.

[Mr. Body]

The market for Deandre Ayton sure is on fire! Indiana is like, "Sure, okay, whatever."

[cool cat]

47mil for 2 FRP and maybe 2 Swaps. Sounds steep.

[RC_Drunkford]

biggest risk of KD is him playing for 1-2 seasons and becoming disgruntled again, leaving another team in ashes

should've just went to the Spurs when he had the chance to do it. Would've had a healthy environment, but no guys want to play somewhere more appealing and then cry about locker room issues :lol


Bronny might go undrafted or at the earliest, 2nd round. Prolly some team will hold him up to recruit LeBron or force the Lakers to give up something for Bronny. lol
Funny if Bronny get drafted by one of the least desirable team/city.

Anyways, he can always do that in teaming up with Bronny on his last or farewell season. I'm pretty sure LeBron is still eyeing for that 5th esp. with the Warriors (Curry) winning recently.
LeBron still probably has the say with the Lakers' FO and the Lakers can't afford to stand pat esp. with LeBron's age. They're also probably tempted to overtake Celtics with the most number of championships.

somebody will draft Bronny just to get LeBron. I really hope it's the Sacramento Kings. Would be hilarious

[rjv]

And gift Lakers with Kyrie and possibly another ring for Fakers and Lebron's 5th tying Timmy... Yup.

even if the lakers get kyrie, this is no guarantee that they win the title. i would argue that GS is just as good and the same for the celtics and bucks. not to mention that AD and LeDouche are always hurt. best case scenario is that the spurs get some nice picks out of this and the lakers wind up without a title.