2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[scott]

Guess they have to hope JDub takes a paycut to a 25% max instead of a 30% supermax and that Holmgren doesn't make the allstar team next year; then they'd be at 84% of the cap for those three in 2027-28 (the 1% savings comes from the difference between the cap going up 10% and their raises being 8% for the deals Jdub and Holmgren sign in 2026-27). Joe is at 6% and is a team option. Wiggins is 4.4% (it's a declining contract). I'm guessing Jaylin Williams is a declining contract too since they're nowhere near the luxury tax for next season, so they probably frontloaded as much as they could in the first two years. Probably breaks down like 8.7/8/7.3 so that's 3.9%. Caruso at 11.1% so you're looking at

SGA + JDub + Holmgren + Williams + Wiggins = 92.3

plus Joe = 98.3

plus Caruso = 109.4

Guessing they have to salary dump Caruso in 26-27 to make room for signing Dort in 27-28. Can't imagine they'd take Caruso over him. With first apron at 126.7% of cap I'm guessing they cut Caruso and sign Dort for 15% of the cap to get them to 113.3%. Topic is 4.0% so that gets them to 117.3%. Sorber 2.7% so now they're right at 120%. Bye bye Cason Wallace, bye bye Hartenstein as no way they can afford either without going into the aprons. So these 9 roster spots should get them to 120% if JDub signs for 25% max:

SGA, JDub, Holmgren, Dort, Sorber, Joe, Topic, Williams, Wiggins

And then 6.7% of the cap (a little more than $12.5 million) to fill out the rest of the roster. Definitely gonna be tough. Maybe they let Dort walk and keep Caruso instead.

Alternatively, they just view every single player who isn't SGA/JDub/Chet as expendable. Caruso, Dort, all the way down to Sorber and Topic... all replaceable when the time comes. Flip them right before they get expensive to reload the warchest of FRPs and continue to cycle through guys.

JDub hasn't qualified for the 30% max yet, but he'll likely have the language written into his deal. If he earns it, that would be great for the rest of the league. I still don't think Chet gets a 25%. For one, he isn't worth it (IMO) and he's missed half his time in the NBA on top of it.

[DPG21920]

It is way too early to consolidate picks in any massive way. I agree they need to trade for a big but this team needs to play together for a minute or two. Fox and Wemby haven’t even shared time on the court in any significant way.

They need to evaluate up to the trade deadline.

Not to say they can’t do deals. It’s just not the right time to unload the boat.

Ya not unload the boat, but Keldon + Barnes + Dev + Branham + Blake + Mamu all fully replaceable and not the “boat”. They need to address shooting and big. Cannot just add a back up big and zero shooting.

[DPG21920]

One of those rare trades that I can't understand for either team :lol

Makes sense for CHA. Got a free 2nd round pick, got better player who can play alongside LaMelo and when hes injured like usual gives them a good fill in

[scott]

Michael Scotto Mike (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7591)AScotto
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Just In: The Philadelphia 76ers will decline the $2.94 million team option on Lonnie Walker for the 2025-26 season, league sources told Hoops (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8733)hype
. The 26-year-old averaged 12.4 points in 23.9 minutes over 20 games played for the Sixers. He’s expected to draw free agency interest

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939408715750273505

If a lot of our guards got moved in some other consolidation trade, I wouldn't mind having Lonnie back as a 3rd string guard... I hope he lands in a good spot.

[scott]

Ainge is going for another season of top3 lottery odds.
We should give him a hand, we have the perfect man for the job who guarantees traffic cone defense and inefficent offense.
Keldon could reach the status of tank general in Utah.

We have multiple of this guy, so I'm glad you clarified you were talking about Keldon in this instances :lol

[scott]

Makes sense for CHA. Got a free 2nd round pick, got better player who can play alongside LaMelo and when hes injured like usual gives them a good fill in

Moussa Diabate/Taj Gibson szn in Carolina

[LeBowen]

We have multiple of this guy, so I'm glad you clarified you were talking about Keldon in this instances :lol

I was also thinking of saying we have multiple, but Jeremy is a positive defender and Devin isn't that inefficent.
Keldon is the only one who's tragic on both ends of the floor. :lol

I wonder what's the asking price for Markkanen right now. Not saying we should go for him, but I'm sure there are teams that at least enquired about him.

[scott]

I was also thinking of saying we have multiple, but Jeremy is a positive defender and Devin isn't that inefficent.
Keldon is the only one who's tragic on both ends of the floor. :lol

I wonder what's the asking price for Markkanen right now. Not saying we should go for him, but I'm sure there are teams that at least enquired about him.

Malaki is sad that you've forgotten about him.

[LeBowen]

Malaki is sad that you've forgotten about him.

I mean we're not trying to have Jazz be the first team to ever get relegated from the NBA. :lol

[scott]

I mean we're not trying to have Jazz be the first team to ever get relegated from the NBA. :lol

I think the Nets have them covered one way or another. Records could get shattered this year.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Just In: The Boston Celtics will exercise their team option on JD Davison, which is worth $2.27 million non-guaranteed, league sources told Hoopshype
. Davison was the G League MVP, averaging 25.6 points, 7.8 assists, 5.0 rebounds, and 1.4 steals.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939418496074502624

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James Ham james_HamNBA
According to a league source, the Sacramento Kings have picked up Keon Ellis’ option for this season. Barring an extension, he will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.
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https://x.com/James_HamNBA/status/1939416314147439009

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Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Sources: The Brooklyn Nets won’t tender Ziaire Williams his 1-year, $8.35M qualifying offer. The Nets hope to retain Williams. This move gives themselves more free agent cap flexibility. Williams will become an unrestricted free agent after averaging 10 points and 4.6 rebounds.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939420028958323176

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Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Sources: The Brooklyn Nets declined to tender Day’Ron Sharpe his 1-year, $5.98 million qualifying offer. He’ll be an unrestricted free agent after averaging 7.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in 18.1 minutes per game this season. Brooklyn hopes to re-sign him with cap space flexibility.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939420312078061853

[DPG21920]

Man I am going to be so pissed if SA just adds a meh back up C and calls it quits.


They did such a great job last year with Barnes trade etc….Spurs really need to add some shooting and upgrade the players they know shouldn’t be here (Mamu+Branham+Blake+Bassey and then likely Keldon/Dev/Barnes to some degree)

[BatManu20]

Legion Hoops (https://x.com/LegionHoops)

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NBA veteran Eric Gordon plans to decline his player option and will test free agency, per Shams

[ace3g]

Ary Ary_Report
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The New York Knicks are exercising the $1.9 million team option on center Ariel Hukporti and declining the $3.4 million option on veteran forward P.J. Tucker, league sources say.

https://x.com/Ary_Report/status/1939421826263982479

[TD 21]

Makes sense for CHA. Got a free 2nd round pick, got better player who can play alongside LaMelo and when hes injured like usual gives them a good fill in

Simons and Sexton having as little value as they apparently did/do, along with the Pelicans inexplicable trade with the Hawks, are the surprises of the off season so far.

Meanwhile, the Hornets are down to Diabate and Kalkbrenner at C, so add them to the list in the market for one.

[ace3g]

Ary Ary (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=861)_Report
The Washington Wizards plan on waiving forward Anthony Gill, league sources say. Gill had $2.2 million set to become guaranteed on Sunday, and now Washington waives him to avoid that guarantee.

https://x.com/Ary_Report/status/1938366127530504603

[Bruno]

Man I am going to be so pissed if SA just adds a meh back up C and calls it quits.


I think it all depends on how Spurs view Vassell and Sochan.

If they are still high on them, adding only a center would make sense.

[Bruno]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Sources: The Brooklyn Nets declined to tender Day’Ron Sharpe his 1-year, $5.98 million qualifying offer. He’ll be an unrestricted free agent after averaging 7.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in 18.1 minutes per game this season. Brooklyn hopes to re-sign him with cap space flexibility.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939420312078061853

Interesting.

He might be an option as backup C.

[Spurs Brazil]

The Atlanta Hawks are declining forward Dominick Barlow's team option for $2.2 million, making him a free agent, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1939423228113379788?s=46&t=lqc-Lp7NyWCbQ6reIQj7RA

[exstatic]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Sources: The Brooklyn Nets declined to tender Day’Ron Sharpe his 1-year, $5.98 million qualifying offer. He’ll be an unrestricted free agent after averaging 7.9 points and 6.6 rebounds in 18.1 minutes per game this season. Brooklyn hopes to re-sign him with cap space flexibility.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939420312078061853

Paging Brian Wright, your party is waiting at the gate.

[LeBowen]

Man I am going to be so pissed if SA just adds a meh back up C and calls it quits.

We're kind of down to one FRP per year from now on.
We don't want to be using FRPs on a backup big who will be limited to ~15mpg when Wemby is playing.
There are also salary implications, a few years down the line it won't be worth having more than 15ish million tied to backup C.


Mamu+Branham+Blake+Bassey

This is a non-factor other than Bassey, those other three were irrelevant for the rotation.
I agree that we should get new reclamation projects, maybe someone breaks through and becomes a solid bench player like Champagnie.

[TD 21]

^ The Nets are likely working in concert with Sharpe/his representation.

He's a good enough asset and they have more than enough flexibility to not risk losing him outright.

[DPG21920]

I think it all depends on how Spurs view Vassell and Sochan.

If they are still high on them, adding only a center would make sense.

I dont see how that’s possible though. Still have Keldon that is an awkward fit. Still added zero shooting. Still have so much end of bench dead weight in Branham + Blake + Mamu + Bassey to be replaced/upgraded with higher upside guys. Sure, they replaced CP with Harper and can say Carter Bryant replaces one guy (even though CB wont likely play much at all, but at least hes higher upside at end of bench this season)

I get SA being somewhat high on Sochan (I am) and Dev (Im hopeful) but now you have Dev playing SF which is not natural spot and his minutes will be reduced as one of highest paid players on team.

Spurs have needs (back up big + shooting) and none of that was addressed. Adding a big in FA or trade helps that, but still leaves shooting completely unaddressed which is unacceptable IMO

[DPG21920]

We're kind of down to one FRP per year from now on.
We don't want to be using FRPs on a backup big who will be limited to ~15mpg when Wemby is playing.
There are also salary implications, a few years down the line it won't be worth having more than 15ish million tied to backup C.



This is a non-factor other than Bassey, those other three were irrelevant for the rotation.
I agree that we should get new reclamation projects, maybe someone breaks through and becomes a solid bench player like Champagnie.

Why would Spurs have to use FRP? Sexton went for an expiring and CHA got a 2nd round pick. Spurs have a ton of 2nds they can use and could trade Keldon or Dev + 2nds to get upgrades in front court or shooting then have MLE for upgrade on shooting/front court as well. Dont need to include any 1sts unless its a player that’s worth it (Cam Johnson maybe?)

[DPG21920]

Spurs can be high on Sochan + Dev and still trade Barnes + Keldon + Branham + Blake + 2nds and get shooting/big help

[LeBowen]

and none of that was addressed.

You're talking as if it's late August and not a day before free agency even opens.
There's no point in making trades until we see how free agency plays out.


Why would Spurs have to use FRP? Sexton went for an expiring and CHA got a 2nd round pick. Spurs have a ton of 2nds they can use and could trade Keldon or Dev + 2nds to get upgrades in front court or shooting then have MLE for upgrade on shooting/front court as well. Dont need to include any 1sts unless its a player that’s worth it (Cam Johnson maybe?)

Again, why are you talking as if all the potential targets are gone?

I want a new starter at PF.
Aldama, PJ Washington and John Collins are my preferred targets.
Until they are gone, I won't be in panic mode writng posts as if Spurs missed out.

Kornet is the best backup C we can get. Others are either washed or too expensive to acquire.

[scott]

Man, what a bizarro world where it's LeBowen and myself preaching patience.

[jeebus]

The Atlanta Hawks are declining forward Dominick Barlow's team option for $2.2 million, making him a free agent, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1939423228113379788?s=46&t=lqc-Lp7NyWCbQ6reIQj7RA

Don't miss him tbqhwy imo

[DPG21920]

You're talking as if it's late August and not a day before free agency even opens.
There's no point in making trades until we see how free agency plays out.



Again, why are you talking as if all the potential targets are gone?

I want a new starter at PF.
Aldama, PJ Washington and John Collins are my preferred targets.
Until they are gone, I won't be in panic mode writng posts as if Spurs missed out.

Kornet is the best backup C we can get. Others are either washed or too expensive to acquire.

Im not - IM talking about what I want to see when FA hits

[DPG21920]

Man, what a bizarro world where it's LeBowen and myself preaching patience.

Ive been team patience all along and still am. Doing deals like Barnes last season isnt a lack of patience. It’s clear as day that Spurs shouldn’t be using all their firsts to go all in. But they should be addressing team needs and looking at roster and improving and using smart trades (like Barnes) to keep upgrading and addressing needs and moving team forward.

Cannot just draft 2 rookies + add a back up C and call it a day.

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Oklahoma City Thunder intend to sign guard Ajay Mitchell to a new three-year contract worth nearly $9 million after declining his 2025-26 team option, sources tell ESPN. OKC and Life Sports Agency CEO Todd Ramasar and agent Mike Simonetta negotiated the new deal for Mitchell.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939425699103719770

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The second year has a player option and is partially guaranteed. This deal furthers the strong partnership Harden has forged with the Clippers since he arrived. He receives a well-deserved raise while providing the team with flexibility to add talent in the present and future.
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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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BREAKING: 11-time NBA All-Star James Harden is declining his player option and intends to sign a new two-year, $81.5 million contract to return to the Los Angeles Clippers, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939428907234586867

[Bruno]

I dont see how that’s possible though. Still have Keldon that is an awkward fit. Still added zero shooting. Still have so much end of bench dead weight in Branham + Blake + Mamu + Bassey to be replaced/upgraded with higher upside guys. Sure, they replaced CP with Harper and can say Carter Bryant replaces one guy (even though CB wont likely play much at all, but at least hes higher upside at end of bench this season)

I get SA being somewhat high on Sochan (I am) and Dev (Im hopeful) but now you have Dev playing SF which is not natural spot and his minutes will be reduced as one of highest paid players on team.

Spurs have needs (back up big + shooting) and none of that was addressed. Adding a big in FA or trade helps that, but still leaves shooting completely unaddressed which is unacceptable IMO

I think Spurs don't really care about their roster after their main rotation players. Some teams try to have a good 12th or 13th player and have interesting two-way players, Spurs just don't care. That's why they keep trading away second round picks, that's why they wasted a roster spot on McLaughlin at the end of the season, that's why they keep Minix despite him being injured for the rest of the season...

If everything goes well, Spurs main rotation should be after few months:
PG: Fox/Castle
SG: Harper/Castle
SF: Vassell/Bryant
PF: Sochan/Barnes
C: Wembanyama/backup C

I can see Spurs wanting to give a shot at that team and wait the trade deadline to see if an adjustment is needed.

[BatManu20]

Jake Weinbach

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@JWeinbachNBA
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The Jazz are expected to trade Jordan Clarkson and John Collins as well after sending Collin Sexton to Charlotte.Utah appears to be opening up minutes for its young pieces to develop and are currently facing a roster crunch with 18 players projected to be under contract.



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[DPG21920]

Kornet + Larry Nance Jr would be nice.

Find a way to move Keldon + Blake + Branham and maybe one of Dev + Barnes as well.

[scott]

Danny Ainge's son with the old Pop move "This year is about winning"

[BatManu20]

Spurs really need to move on Collins. Utah is trying to get rid of him. Perfect opportunity to buy low on his expiring and get off Keldon's deal.

[Mr. Body]

Provided what Sexton got, I don't think those two will require too much. Ainge kept his powder dry too long. That Lauri contract is looking fucking nasty now, too.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Bobby Portis intends to sign a three-year, $44 million contract to return to the Milwaukee Bucks, with a player option for 2027-28, sources tell ESPN. Bucks and Mark Bartelstein of
@PrioritySports
reach a new deal for the sixth man extraordinaire and fan favorite in Milwaukee.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939430268730818883

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Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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The Houston Rockets declined the $4.9 million team option on guard Aaron Holiday, sources told Hoopshype
. Holiday is expected to return to the Rockets on a 1-year deal. Holiday, a favorite of coach Ime Udoka, averaged 5.5 points, including 39.8%, from 3-point range, this season.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939430403833815171

[Mr. Body]

Amazing about a year ago we were desperate for any kind of guards. Now we don't need any, just need bigs.

[timtonymanu]

Spurs really need to move on Collins. Utah is trying to get rid of him. Perfect opportunity to buy low on his expiring and get off Keldon's deal.

You know this is gonna end with “We like what we have,” stuff.

[DPG21920]

I think Spurs don't really care about their roster after their main rotation players. Some teams try to have a good 12th or 13th player and have interesting two-way players, Spurs just don't care. That's why they keep trading away second round picks, that's why they wasted a roster spot on McLaughlin at the end of the season, that's why they keep Minix despite him being injured for the rest of the season...

If everything goes well, Spurs main rotation should be after few months:
PG: Fox/Castle
SG: Harper/Castle
SF: Vassell/Bryant
PF: Sochan/Barnes
C: Wembanyama/backup C

I can see Spurs wanting to give a shot at that team and wait the trade deadline to see if an adjustment is needed.

I just dont get it - I see what you are saying and that’s my FEAR is that SA sees it like that. But Spurs have every chance to make trades while not sacrificing future at all and I think they should try harder and be more creative in trying to win some games.

I am fine with Dev + Sochan, but especially with Dev and Keldon they don’t deserve minutes any more and they should be looking to trade improve and add for sure things that help the team like shooting + defense + back up big etc..

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Orlando Magic are declining team options on Moe Wagner ($11 million) and Caleb Houstan ($2.1 million), sources tell ESPN. The Magic retain both players' Bird Rights, meaning Orlando could still re-sign them.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939431415973912692

[BatManu20]

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Adam Himmelsbach
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I’m told Al Horford continues to mull potential options for next season and at the moment appears unlikely to have a final decision on the first day of free agency tomorrow.

[DPG21920]

Day’Ron Sharpe, Kornet, Larry Nance all interesting guys

[mo7888]

Day’Ron Sharpe, Kornet, Larry Nance all interesting guys

Wagner and Horford are interesting names as well.

[scott]

Day before FA is kind of lit, tbqh

[Mr. Body]

Day before FA is kind of lit, tbqh

There'll be a flurry of insta-announcements once the moratorium lifts, as everyone pretends they weren't negotiating this entire time.

[LeBowen]

Wagner and Nance are recovering from ACL injuries, shouldn't even be considered.

[scott]

There'll be a flurry of insta-announcements once the moratorium lifts, as everyone pretends they weren't negotiating this entire time.

Sounds like you just move slower than high performing alphas. These guys are in the Arena, thinking about the Roman Empire, hustlegrinding 24/7 so they can slaycrush complex NBA contracts in nanoseconds. This is what separates the men from the pissant internet posters like yourself. If you're not crushing half a case of white Monsters by 5a (after your cold plunge, obvs) then you aren't doing it right.

[TD 21]

The thing the pro Collins crowd either isn't considering or is disregarding is, why would the Jazz want the extra season of Johnson, even with a 2nd(s) attached?

They have plenty of draft capital as is and could gain more valuable ones by utilizing their projected '26 cap space as a dumping ground if they so choose.

[DPG21920]

The thing the pro Collins crowd either isn't considering or is disregarding is, why would the Jazz want the extra season of Johnson, even with a 2nd(s) attached?

They have plenty of draft capital as is and could gain more valuable ones by utilizing their projected '26 cap space as a dumping ground if they so choose.

They could take on Barnes instead. As good as Barnes was he is expiring and he is too slow to defend. Collins would be an upgrade on defense and rebounding etc…

[exstatic]

Spurs really need to move on Collins. Utah is trying to get rid of him. Perfect opportunity to buy low on his expiring and get off Keldon's deal.

They probably want Barnes’ expiring over Keldon’s 2 years.

[baseline bum]

Ainge is going for another season of top3 lottery odds.
We should give him a hand, we have the perfect man for the job who guarantees traffic cone defense and inefficent offense.
Keldon could reach the status of tank general in Utah.

Thought you were talking Vassell :lol

[LeBowen]

They probably want Barnes’ expiring over Keldon’s 2 years.

I don't think it's that much of an issue.
The only players on the books for 26-27 season will be Markkanen, Kessler if they extend him and rookie deals.
Keldon's 10% of the cap at that point won't be an issue.

And you can't take one thing away from him, he's a great locker room presence. Maybe that's just what they need, unless I missed something Markkanen isn't the leader type.

[DPG21920]

The thing with Dev is just that paying him that much money for a reduced out of position role doesnt make a ton of sense. But I digress. Keldon doesnt fit all that well anymore on paper.

Barnes is older and expiring. There’s opportunity there to improve is all Im saying.

[baseline bum]

Alternatively, they just view every single player who isn't SGA/JDub/Chet as expendable. Caruso, Dort, all the way down to Sorber and Topic... all replaceable when the time comes. Flip them right before they get expensive to reload the warchest of FRPs and continue to cycle through guys.

JDub hasn't qualified for the 30% max yet, but he'll likely have the language written into his deal. If he earns it, that would be great for the rest of the league. I still don't think Chet gets a 25%. For one, he isn't worth it (IMO) and he's missed half his time in the NBA on top of it.

Yeah for the near future Sorber is the cheap Hartenstein replacement Topic is the cheap Cason Wallace replacement.

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Keith Smith
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The New Orleans Pelicans declined their team option for Brandon Boston Jr., a league source told
@spotrac
.

Boston will now be an unrestricted free agent.

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1939436140487987663

[Bruno]

I just dont get it - I see what you are saying and that’s my FEAR is that SA sees it like that. But Spurs have every chance to make trades while not sacrificing future at all and I think they should try harder and be more creative in trying to win some games.

I am fine with Dev + Sochan, but especially with Dev and Keldon they don’t deserve minutes any more and they should be looking to trade improve and add for sure things that help the team like shooting + defense + back up big etc..

Well, personally I think Spurs should trade Vassell. I agree with you that they should add a good forward.

My point is that Spurs might not agree with you (and me) and that they may be right.

It's not crazy, for example, to think that Vassell:
- will be better physically next season after his foot surgery.
- will be fine as an off the ball offensive player because that how he has been the best far.
- is big enough to play SF.
- can be way better defensively if he put a bigger emphasis on it.

Adding a backup C and calling it an offseason isn't what I wish for but it might work.

[scott]

Eventually, but for the near future Sorber is the cheap Hartenstein replacement Topic is the cheap Cason Wallace replacement.

Yes, exactly. That's the model in work. Cheap FRP talent to replace the guys they can't afford anymore. They'll trade Cason Wallace for the picks that will eventually be used to replace Topic, etc... the cycle will continue.

[LeBowen]

I actually think Hawks would be a great team for Vassell.
Trae is their only legit ballhandler and creator, Vassell would fit well, not to mention he's from that area.

If we could get Okongwu from Vassell trade, that would be a huge W.

[DPG21920]

Well, personally I think Spurs should trade Vassell. I agree with you that they should add a good forward.

My point is that Spurs might not agree with you (and me) and that they may be right.

It's not crazy, for example, to think that Vassell:
- will be better physically next season after his foot surgery.
- will be fine as an off the ball offensive player because that how he has been the best far.
- is big enough to play SF.
- can be way better defensively if he put a bigger emphasis on it.

Adding a backup C and calling it an offseason isn't what I wish for but it might work.

But what about Keldon is this scenario? Is Dev proving he can play 3 and play defense ok enough consistently add shooting to the roster? Harper + Fox + Castle aren’t shooters. Keldon isnt a shooter. Sochan not a shooter. Back up big likely wont be a shooter.

Saying, forgetting about end of bench and philosophy about building that, that even if Dev can play 3, his role is reduced, Keldon doesnt fit and team still lacks shooting right? So how is adding zero shooting and a back up big only justified?

[baseline bum]

Yes, exactly. That's the model in work. Cheap FRP talent to replace the guys they can't afford anymore. They'll trade Cason Wallace for the picks that will eventually be used to replace Topic, etc... the cycle will continue.

I do think Dort has to be kept unless he gets a huge offer somewhere else since he's such a disgusting defensive player. Unfortunately he seems like the kind of guy to take less to keep winning rings just like Bruce Bowen did. Man OKC has set themselves up so nicely.

[LeBowen]

But what about Keldon is this scenario?

Keldon is obviously the odd man out and the worst rotation player in every possible scenario.
The only thing that's keeping him on the roster is that he's the vocal leader and a great locker room presence.

Unfortunately for him, he simply has to go because with the addition of Harper his only semi-useful role of taking the ball and attacking the rim isn't available anymore.

[scott]

I do think Dort has to be kept unless he gets a huge offer somewhere else since he's such a disgusting defensive player. Unfortunately he seems like the kind of guy to take less to keep winning rings just like Bruce Bowen did. Man OKC has set themselves up so nicely.

If he takes a paycut... sure, otherwise he's replaceable. Gotta be ruthless with everyone but your top 3 in order to make the model work. You start making exceptions, and the next thing you know you've got an untouchable PoF on your team taking 33% of the cap.

[ace3g]

Jake Fischer JakeLFischer
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23s
The Houston Rockets have emerged as a viable free agent landing spot for Dorian Finney-Smith, league sources tell
@TheSteinLine
and me, after the veteran declined his $15.4 million player option for 2025-26 with the Lakers today.

More NBA from us: http://tinyurl.com/3nfhybht

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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58s
Just In: The Cleveland Cavaliers declined the $2.55 million team option on Chuma Okeke, sources told Hoopshype
. Okeke becomes an unrestricted free agent. He averaged 5.9 points and 5.2 rebounds in nine games total for the Philadelphia 76ers and Cleveland Cavaliers this season.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939440895813931144/photo/1

[DPG21920]

Keldon is obviously the odd man out and the worst rotation player in every possible scenario.
The only thing that's keeping him on the roster is that he's the vocal leader and a great locker room presence.

Unfortunately for him, he simply has to go because with the addition of Harper his only semi-useful role of taking the ball and attacking the rim isn't available anymore.

And im not pre-bitching and fully on board with the FO so far. I expect they make moves. Just have a little creeping fear they take foot off gas after being gifted pick 2. They have been so good last few seasons and want them to keep pedal down and being razor sharp and ruthless when it comes to smart value and improvements.

Team can definitely be a playoff team this season with a couple strong FA moves/Trades

[mystargtr34]

DFS would be a really nice option at the starting 4. Sort of an older and slightly poorer man’s PJ Washington. However it would take the full MLE which would mean Spurs would have to settle for a backup C with the BAE unless it’s via trade. I think using the MLE on a backup C and going for a bigger fish at the starting 4 via trade is a better option.

He’s a solid upgrade over Barnes by way of way better defense. Shooting is equally good, rebounding equally as mediocre. He’s also 32 so could start to see a decline from here.

Lakers would really be fucked if he goes elsewhere though.

[Limguogolo]

1939334254439129271

1939333482746118264
In a recent interview, Yabusele said other players had advised him to enjoy this moment. The FA is a rare moment in the NBA when you can enjoy this feeling of being wanted. (I would rather think that he will favor Philly. But since in America, you are only respected if you have a big contract, he must take it as much as possible.)

[heyheymymy]

Kornet & Yabusele would be very solid acquisitions but historically Spurs rarely go out and get the names fans want. SA needs to do something so we will see

[Bruno]

Regardless of what Spurs do this summer, Keldon shouldn't be part of the rotation next season. Spurs need 3&D to complement their 3 guards and Wemby. Keldon is the opposite of that.

Trading him would be a logical move but it's easier said than done. What player can you get for Keldon and second round picks given his contract?

Spurs might end up being stuck with him until next summer when he would become an expiring contract. It isn't really an issue as long as he doesn't turn into a nuisance for the team which I doubt given his great attitude.

[Mr. Body]

Kornet & Yabusele would be very solid acquisitions but historically Spurs rarely go out and get the names fans want. SA needs to do something so we will see

IMO that would be about as perfect as they can get right now. I'd only slightly object to longer contracts, but they won't be very expensive. Needed right now are serviceable players without big touch and playing demands and both have good experience.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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1m
Sources: The Memphis Grizzlies have tendered Santi Aldama his one-year, $5.94 million qualifying offer, making him a restricted free agent. Aldama averaged career-highs in points (12.5), field goal % (.483), 3-point % (.368), rebound (6.4) and assists (2.9) for the Grizzlies.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939445303188529630/photo/1

[Dejounte]

There goes the aldama dream lol

[mo7888]

There goes the aldama dream lol

That was expected.

[heyheymymy]

IMO that would be about as perfect as they can get right now. I'd only slightly object to longer contracts, but they won't be very expensive. Needed right now are serviceable players without big touch and playing demands and both have good experience.

It's honestly semi realistic but still a pretty big splash for a franchise that runs timid and selective. But Kornet & Yabusele plug in pretty perfectly to address team needs. With B Wright slinging it's a new age, go out and get em

[Ariel]

Spurs really need to move on Collins. Utah is trying to get rid of him. Perfect opportunity to buy low on his expiring and get off Keldon's deal.
Spurs likely need to attach assets, I would absolutely NOT send a first rounder, but 3/4 seconds why not.

[baseline bum]

If he takes a paycut... sure, otherwise he's replaceable. Gotta be ruthless with everyone but your top 3 in order to make the model work. You start making exceptions, and the next thing you know you've got an untouchable PoF on your team taking 33% of the cap.

He'd have to get an offer for 18% of the cap or more to make me balk. Otherwise they can afford him while paying Williams and Holmgren their second deals by being penny pinchers on everyone else. They lose Dort they're not a title team any more and he won't be replaceable with guys on their rookie contracts like everyone else is.

[Ariel]

Kornet & Yabusele would be very solid acquisitions but historically Spurs rarely go out and get the names fans want. SA needs to do something so we will see
I'm fine with both but not excited. My worry is that, as good as the Spurs are negotiating deals with other teams, they are not on the same level when negotiating salaries with their own players. This offseason it's important not to lose future flexibility on players that may help but do not really move the needle long term, which is what Kornet and Yabusele are IMO. Same goes for Sochan, don't overpay, just make him prove it and send him to RFA next year.

[DPG21920]

Regardless of what Spurs do this summer, Keldon shouldn't be part of the rotation next season. Spurs need 3&D to complement their 3 guards and Wemby. Keldon is the opposite of that.

Trading him would be a logical move but it's easier said than done. What player can you get for Keldon and second round picks given his contract?

Spurs might end up being stuck with him until next summer when he would become an expiring contract. It isn't really an issue as long as he doesn't turn into a nuisance for the team which I doubt given his great attitude.

I think if you offer up Keldon + Branham + a top 5 protected 29 + 4 2nds you can get a Cam Johnson type but maybe Im wrong. At a minimum if you cant get a solid 3 & D for Keldon you should at least be able to get the “3 point shooter” part.

[ismael-robert]

There goes the aldama dream lol

Why? It's not even 6 mil thats easy to beat

[heyheymymy]

I would prefer to backup an important player like Wemby with an established NBA player instead of a draft pick. I liked Sorber and some of the other draft bigs but the dev time and acclimation period would've been an obstacle or delay.

Instead, get an established backup like Kornet, much less guess work and then if you need to focus on wemby's health or rest, there is less of a question mark behind him in depth. 3rd string however they should've kept #38 for Raynaud or something so I wonder what they have planned because if they trot back Byombo or equivalent and Raynaud isn't a bust it's going to look bad unless they had a better plan all along.

[benefactor]

Why? It's not even 6 mil thats easy to beat
And easy to match within reason.

[lefty]

Beasley :lol

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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1m
The Minnesota Timberwolves declined team options on Luka Garza ($2.35 million) and Josh Minott ($2.19 million) for the 2025-26 season, league sources told Hoopshype
.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1939453842367955086/photo/1

[Guru of Nothing]

Portis 3 years 44M

1939430268730818883



https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939430268730818883

[Bobby Portis intends to sign a three-year, $44 million contract to return to the Milwaukee Bucks, with a player option for 2027-28, sources tell ESPN. Bucks and Mark Bartelstein of
@PrioritySports
reach a new deal for the sixth man extraordinaire and fan favorite in Milwaukee.]

[RC_Drunkford]

what the Spurs need to do is ask about John Collins and Santi Aldama and see who's cheaper. Utah most likely wants a couple of second rounders for John Collins. Memphis wants to sign and trade Aldama as far as I know, because they need some more cap space for Jaren Jackson Jr.'s extension. They also won't get a first for him and rather a couple second rounders. Just offer him the full MLE as a start and see if Memphis matches.

Kick the tires on both and see which one you can get for less.

I assume the Spurs do not want to trade a first round pick, but the reason they should still make a trade is that there are plenty of upgrades available for less than that and we got 4 second round pick in 2026, including Utah's.

[RC_Drunkford]

These OKC extensions are really good. The Spurs would've most likely paid those guys double or triple the salary. I think OKC wouldn't offer Sochan more than 8 million per year while the Spurs will probably give him 15. Sam Presti strikes again.

[exstatic]

Why? It's not even 6 mil thats easy to beat

You have to beat that $6M by enough that they don’t want to match it.

[mystargtr34]

Memphis would match any MLE offer for Aldama imo. It’s when you start getting to the $20M pa where they would probably balk. I’m no cap guru though not sure where they will be relative to the tax after JJ extension.

Their big man rotation without Aldama is
Edey - Clarke - Huff
JJ - GG Jackson

With JJ playing a lot of 5 that’s not much behind him at the 4 spot other than GG Jackson who looks more like a low IQ chucked than a real NBA player.

[Mr. Body]

These OKC extensions are really good. The Spurs would've most likely paid those guys double or triple the salary. I think OKC wouldn't offer Sochan more than 8 million per year while the Spurs will probably give him 15. Sam Presti strikes again.

Never miss a chance to masturbate over Sam Presti, huh.

[SpursGenius]

Mamu, Yusubele, and Charles bassey should be our three free agent signings at PF/center.

I would trade Keldon for a three and d guy not sure who is available. Cam Johnson defense not the greatest and I don’t want to throw in first rounder. Unless it’s lottery protected. Maybe Keldon 3 srps and lottery protected 29 frp gets it done.

[RC_Drunkford]

Never miss a chance to masturbate over Sam Presti, huh.

cause your moms too ugly

[Mr. Body]

Mamu, Yusubele, and Charles bassey should be our three free agent signings at PF/center.

I would trade Keldon for a three and d guy not sure who is available. Cam Johnson defense not the greatest and I don’t want to throw in first rounder. Unless it’s lottery protected. Maybe Keldon 3 srps and lottery protected 29 frp gets it done.

Cam Johnson's not on the table anymore with the Bryant draft pick. Why get him? And Mamu and Bassey, no. I'd keep Mamu if there's a roster slot, otherwise we need actual size that can play.

[Splits]

These OKC extensions are really good. The Spurs would've most likely paid those guys double or triple the salary. I think OKC wouldn't offer Sochan more than 8 million per year while the Spurs will probably give him 15. Sam Presti strikes again.

He'll get 20m/y and you will like it

[RC_Drunkford]

He'll get 20m/y and you will like it

probably at least something like 4/70. Could still get him in a sign and trade for Barnes or Keldon if the price is second round picks.

[Splits]

I don't get the "Keldon is a great locker room guy" schtick. Because he wears a cowboy hat, screams the loudest after he dunks on a 3rd stringer, buries his head in the sand to drive to the basket against triple teams refusing to pass? He's a cancer

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't get the "Keldon is a great locker room guy" schtick. Because he wears a cowboy hat, screams the loudest after he dunks on a 3rd stringer, buries his head in the sand to drive to the basket against triple teams refusing to pass? He's a cancer

that and his chicken farm. Wouldn't be fair to the chickens if they had to move.

[Splits]

that and his chicken farm. Wouldn't be fair to the chickens if they had to move.

I thought Trump fixed the price of eggs

[poopbox]

I don't get the "Keldon is a great locker room guy" schtick. Because he wears a cowboy hat, screams the loudest after he dunks on a 3rd stringer, buries his head in the sand to drive to the basket against triple teams refusing to pass? He's a cancer

You forgot yelling out "AND 1" louder than any player in nba history

[BatManu20]

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[Splits]

You forgot yelling out "AND 1" louder than any player in nba history

while screaming at the clouds instead of getting back in transition

[scottspurs]

Those Scam Charania accounts have gotten me like 10 times in the last week. For a few seconds in the past week I thought the Spurs traded for Durant, Giannis, Drafted Ace Bailey and now traded for LeBron lol

[RC_Drunkford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gul1VRpWQAA2JOU?format=jpg&name=small

[RC_Drunkford]

1939397810761146423


Quentin Grimes reportedly wants $25 million per season, per @Tjonesonthenba (https://x.com/Tjonesonthenba)
“The Sixers have been in contact with Grimes and his camp, although the price may end up being steep. Grimes, 25, is looking for a contract that averages $25 million per season, league sources tell The Athletic. He has emerged as a dynamic scoring guard, and he gives the Sixers a mix of the ability to shoot from the perimeter and get to the basket and put pressure on the rim off the dribble.” (Via https://nytimes.com/athletic/live-blogs/nba-free-agency-2025-offseason-trade-rumors-news/fnwUjcuMFEqi/ruoFTT0nB1HR/… (https://t.co/3YoWRSozvy))

[benefactor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gul1VRpWQAA2JOU?format=jpg&name=small
:lol

[DPG21920]

I mean, people are worried about Keldon value and Nurk just received a 2nd in a deal….Barnes has to be worth 2 firsts then lol

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939473558473703626/photo/1

[DPG21920]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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33s
Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939473558473703626/photo/1

So he got Devin Vassell money which makes sense. We will see how it looks in a couple years, but at the moment seems in line.

[onechance87]

Shams Charania Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
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33s
Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939473558473703626/photo/1

im sure sochan gonna want something similar.Spurs should only offer half of that.

[exstatic]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939473558473703626/photo/1

That prognosticater who said he wouldn’t be offered an extension was just a little off target,

[KobesAchilles]

That prognosticater who said he wouldn’t be offered an extension was just a little off target,
Sure was :lol
Big overpay but I’m all for it. One less competitor in the division. In fact, I think we own the division for the next decade

[PhantomDashCam]

The Pacers have tendered qualifying offers to Isaiah Jackson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksis01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2025-06-29_bbr), Quenton Jackson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksqu01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2025-06-29_bbr) and Enrique Freeman (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/freemen01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2025-06-29_bbr), making all three players restricted free agents, a league source tells Tony East of Forbes.

https://x.com/TonyREast/status/1939406787003990310

Jackson would be an interesting target. Supposedly rehabbing well from Achilles tear (November ‘24). Spurs on friendly terms with Pacers seemingly, considering they do business every few months.

[djohn2oo8]

Good news about Jabari. On another note, meeting Dennis Rodman some months back on Westheimer was probably something I thought was the most random occurrence until I met Jalen Rose at a family reunion last night :lol

[baseline bum]

So he got Devin Vassell money which makes sense. We will see how it looks in a couple years, but at the moment seems in line.

Vassell's was five years, $146 million so quite a bit more than Smith's. Also under a lower cap than what Smith got his under.

[baseline bum]

Sure was :lol
Big overpay but I’m all for it. One less competitor in the division. In fact, I think we own the division for the next decade

Nah Kobe wanna-be here was the big overpay. Hopefully they can get Utah to take him for Collins.

[mystargtr34]

Yea that Vassell deal was and is awful. 50% of that contract was for potential and most of that potential hasn’t been realised.

[Eaglenole2002]

I’ve read so many times that teams hand out deals not necessarily because they’re trying to find the best deal, but because they need a mix of certain level contracts to match salaries in trades (especially when big game hunting). That’s part of the reason you see some ambitious numbers from teams that aren’t competitive. That’s why I’m not worried about Vassell’s or Johnson’s contract numbers, and certainly not when first handed out. Now we’re getting much closer to go time in terms of being competitive. We have to be really smart about contract numbers because of the apron. Johnson’s deal will be easily tradeable in a year. We shall see on Vassell, but I’m still a believer in his game as a scaled down third or fourth option now that he’s truly healthy.

[poopbox]

I’ve read so many times that teams hand out deals not necessarily because they’re trying to find the best deal, but because they need a mix of certain level contracts to match salaries in trades (especially when big game hunting). That’s part of the reason you see some ambitious numbers from teams that aren’t competitive. That’s why I’m not worried about Vassell’s or Johnson’s contract numbers, and certainly not when first handed out. Now we’re getting much closer to go time in terms of being competitive. We have to be really smart about contract numbers because of the apron. Johnson’s deal will be easily tradeable in a year. We shall see on Vassell, but I’m still a believer in his game as a scaled down third or fourth option now that he’s truly healthy.

Not worried about their contract numbers but I am worried that these guys suck and other teams know they suck and it's actually harder to trade them than we realize cause nobody wants them.

[SpursFan86]

At first glance I thought that Jabari extension was a little egregious but it’s probably just about right. If he doesn’t improve at all from here on out it will be a bit of an overpay but still not anything terrible. With some modest improvement it’s perfectly fair value, and then there’s the chance that he takes a complete step forward and it ends up being a total steal of a deal.

Put it simply: I think the most likely outcome is he plays to the value of the deal, but the upside if he makes huge strides in his development outweighs the scenario where he doesn’t improve at all and it’s a slight negative contract.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, what a bizarro world where it's LeBowen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54457) and myself preaching patience.

I think people haven't realized the addition of Harper has probably slowed the Spirs down by at least a season.

[MannyIsGod]

Ive been team patience all along and still am. Doing deals like Barnes last season isnt a lack of patience. It’s clear as day that Spurs shouldn’t be using all their firsts to go all in. But they should be addressing team needs and looking at roster and improving and using smart trades (like Barnes) to keep upgrading and addressing needs and moving team forward.

Cannot just draft 2 rookies + add a back up C and call it a day.

This is fair, bit I also think they might wait till the deadline to make more noise

[Eaglenole2002]

Not worried about their contract numbers but I am worried that these guys suck and other teams know they suck and it's actually harder to trade them than we realize cause nobody wants them.

I think that’s fair with Keldon. He just doesn’t seem like a player who will ever impact winning. He can’t shoot, he isn’t a connector and he doesn’t play defense. It’s as empty calorie as it gets.

Vassell can, IMO, but I completely understand why folks are down on him. He’s hurt too much. He settles for difficult jumpers. His defense hasn’t been as advertised. Maybe I’m burying my head in the sand, but I think he’s going to have a nice bounce back season.

[scott]

I think people haven't realized the addition of Harper has probably slowed the Spirs down by at least a season.

I mean, I'm just talking about patience until tomorrow when FA starts :lol

[mystargtr34]

Problem with Devin somehow turning into a net positive defender is that he’s too slow laterally to guard 2’s and too thin and weak to guard 3’s.

The lesser of the two evils might be to move to a full time 3 and try get stronger. Especially since the Spurs now have a logjam at the guard with Fox, Castle, Harper.

Until he is shipped out that is.

[scott]

what the Spurs need to do is ask about John Collins and Santi Aldama and see who's cheaper. Utah most likely wants a couple of second rounders for John Collins. Memphis wants to sign and trade Aldama as far as I know, because they need some more cap space for Jaren Jackson Jr.'s extension. They also won't get a first for him and rather a couple second rounders. Just offer him the full MLE as a start and see if Memphis matches.

Kick the tires on both and see which one you can get for less.

I assume the Spurs do not want to trade a first round pick, but the reason they should still make a trade is that there are plenty of upgrades available for less than that and we got 4 second round pick in 2026, including Utah's.

We got top 8 protection on the Demar S&T from Chicago... I'd be willing to do lotto protected ATL27 or SAS29 in a S&T for Santi, personally. Don't know it would require it, but I'd be willing to go that high. I'm also a Santi-stan, so my words should be taken with a grain of salt for sure :lol

[scott]

Shams Charania Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
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Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939473558473703626/photo/1

Keith Smith's boldest prediction from his extension article immediately down in flames. Didn't even make it a day :lol

Still love Keith's work

[RC_Drunkford]

We got top 8 protection on the Demar S&T from Chicago... I'd be willing to do lotto protected ATL27 or SAS29 in a S&T for Santi, personally. Don't know it would require it, but I'd be willing to go that high. I'm also a Santi-stan, so my words should be taken with a grain of salt for sure :lol

I think the Spurs do not want to trade a first. They probably just want to lose a round in the playoffs and then have all assets ready for a bigger move. Still second rounders should be able to net them some good players this offseason, unless they value 4 x cash considerations more

[DPG21920]

This is fair, bit I also think they might wait till the deadline to make more noise

I hate that. I understand it may happen, but to me that’s lazy. Spurs knew for a fact shooting was an issue and if all they do is add Harper + CB + a back up big they have done zero to address a glaring issue.

[LeBowen]

Using FRPs would make no sense at this point.
We still don't know Wemby's health situation after a career threatening medical issue.
We just hired a coach with no experience.
Fox has played just 5 games with Wemby.
Noone else on the roster other than Barnes has proven anything.
Going all in when we don't know anything about the team would be too risky.

[spurraider21]

Stein confirming the spurs/kornet interest. Stein says it’s seemingly unlikely kornet stays unless Celtics move Hauser or Simons

[scott]

Stein confirming the spurs/kornet interest. Stein says it’s seemingly unlikely kornet stays unless Celtics move Hauser or Simons

This is exactly the type of false hope that keeps this site alive every summer

[SpursFan86]

Using FRPs would make no sense at this point.
We still don't know Wemby's health situation after a career threatening medical issue.
We just hired a coach with no experience.
Fox has played just 5 games with Wemby.
Noone else on the roster other than Barnes has proven anything.
Going all in when we don't know anything about the team would be too risky.

I just don’t think adding in a single lotto protected FRP + a couple of 2nd is “going all in”. It’s not like anyone here is advocating for us mortgaging away the entire future to go out and get someone.

Most people here just want to get rid of Keldon and a few SRPs :lol

[Mr. Body]

2024 - Summer of Lauri
2025 - Summer of Kornet

[DPG21920]

Using FRPs would make no sense at this point.
We still don't know Wemby's health situation after a career threatening medical issue.
We just hired a coach with no experience.
Fox has played just 5 games with Wemby.
Noone else on the roster other than Barnes has proven anything.
Going all in when we don't know anything about the team would be too risky.

Why do you keep brining up going all in?

[mystargtr34]

Can’t remember where I saw it but it seemed most Celtics fans would rather keep Simons scoring and let Kornet go rather than trade Simons just to keep Kornet. If I’m a Celtics fan I tend to agree, Simons has his flaws but if surrounded by good defenders like Derick White, Jaylen Brown, he can be a net positive and get you 20 PPG on .580-.590 TS%, career 38% from 3 on 8.8 attempts we know Mazulla loves to jack 3’s.

I don’t think the Celtics are going to be tanking in a wide open East they still have a competitive team.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see how the Celtics can flip Simons anywhere.

[mystargtr34]

Stein also reporting Atlanta and Detroit are making the strongest pushes for NAW. Hopefully he chooses Detroit, he would really round out the Hawks rotation nicely which won’t be good for the draft picks.

[LeBowen]

Why do you keep brining up going all in?

Because the players we'd like to get rid of don't have much value and any high end starter would cost us at least 2 FRPs?
We have just 1 FRP per draft, it's not like we're still at 10+ tradeable picks.
Not to mention the salary implications.

I named reasonably prices PFs and Cs I'd try and get, anything more is a riskier move.

[scottspurs]

Shams Charania Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
·
33s
Houston Rockets forward Jabari Smith Jr. intends to sign a five-year, $122 million rookie contract extension, sources tell ESPN. Rockets officials and Smith's agent, Wallace Prather of LIFT Sports Management, negotiated the fully guaranteed deal through 2030-31 season.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939473558473703626/photo/1

Jabari Smith is a guy the Rockets valued at 3 1st round picks so they were always going to pay him. Ime Udoka loves him and views him as one of the defensive anchors

[scott]

If the Celtics don't resign Kornet, who the hell is going to play C for them? Xavier Tillman and Al Horford? Maybe they and the Hornets are ahead of the curve on a new centerless basketball movement.

[Degoat]

If not Kornet or a trade possibility, I like Day’Ron Sharpe as a target.

[SpursFan86]

If not Kornet or a trade possibility, I like Day’Ron Sharpe as a target.

I think Sharpe would be a great pickup, but I’m pretty sure he’s heading back to Brooklyn. They have plenty of cap space and seem interested in retaining him. I’d be a little surprised if he goes somewhere else.

[scott]

Since everyone is gaga over Kornet... can someone sell me on him? What's the appeal here, I did not watch many Celtics games. His RB% and BLK% numbers are considerably worse than Bassey's, for example (but Bassey can't stay healthy and gets lost on both ends of the court at times). Does Kornet demonstrate a lot of on-the court smarts? Is a good screener? Not hating on him... looking for the real scouting report here.

[LeBowen]

Since everyone is gaga over Kornet... can someone sell me on him? What's the appeal here, I did not watch many Celtics games. His RB% and BLK% numbers are considerably worse than Bassey's, for example (but Bassey can't stay healthy and gets lost on both ends of the court at times). Does Kornet demonstrate a lot of on-the court smarts? Is a good screener? Not hating on him... looking for the real scouting report here.

It's the Kornet Kontest, look it up.

[scott]

It's the Kornet Kontest, look it up.

This might be the only part of Kornet's game I'm familiar with :lol

[baseline bum]

I’ve read so many times that teams hand out deals not necessarily because they’re trying to find the best deal, but because they need a mix of certain level contracts to match salaries in trades (especially when big game hunting). That’s part of the reason you see some ambitious numbers from teams that aren’t competitive. That’s why I’m not worried about Vassell’s or Johnson’s contract numbers, and certainly not when first handed out. Now we’re getting much closer to go time in terms of being competitive. We have to be really smart about contract numbers because of the apron. Johnson’s deal will be easily tradeable in a year. We shall see on Vassell, but I’m still a believer in his game as a scaled down third or fourth option now that he’s truly healthy.

$27 million a year for a fourth option who plays no defense is rich as hell and the Spurs are stuck with him until 2029-30. He makes it really tough to sign Sochan or to spend the MLE when you have to plan for Wemby's extension in 2027, Castle's in 2028, and Harper's in 2029. He's a hugely negative contract they need to rid themselves of this summer, hopefully for Collins and his expiring, assuming he will cost significantly less to re-sign than Jabari Smith just got.

[SpursBills]

Since everyone is gaga over Kornet... can someone sell me on him? What's the appeal here, I did not watch many Celtics games. His RB% and BLK% numbers are considerably worse than Bassey's, for example (but Bassey can't stay healthy and gets lost on both ends of the court at times). Does Kornet demonstrate a lot of on-the court smarts? Is a good screener? Not hating on him... looking for the real scouting report here.

Nope, no scouting here. We're just going for vibes on this one

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1ay1v93/kornhub_a_collection_of_the_korniest_moments_of/

[DPG21920]

Because the players we'd like to get rid of don't have much value and any high end starter would cost us at least 2 FRPs?
We have just 1 FRP per draft, it's not like we're still at 10+ tradeable picks.
Not to mention the salary implications.

I named reasonably prices PFs and Cs I'd try and get, anything more is a riskier move.

Salaries would be going out so dont see the issue there (Considering Keldon makes 17M, Barnes 19M and Dev 25M+). I think going all in is pushing for big moves like KD and giving up multiple firsts for that.

Giving up a single first or some seconds along with guys from Dev/Keldon/Barnes/Branham/Blake group is not going all in at all.

[BatManu20]

Surprising. I’m sure either lakers will be all over this.

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Breaking: Deandre Ayton is finalizing a contract buyout with the Portland Trail Blazers to become a free agent, sources tell ESPN.

[Degoat]

Did Ayton just become this years big Free agent fish? Lol

[scott]

Nope, no scouting here. We're just going for vibes on this one

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1ay1v93/kornhub_a_collection_of_the_korniest_moments_of/

This was awesome :lol thanks for sharing

[mo7888]

Surprising. I’m sure either lakers will be all over this.

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Now that's surprising...

[Degoat]

Good for the spurs tbh should take attention away from others chasing ayton

[LeBowen]

This was awesome :lol thanks for sharing

On a more serious note, Kornet's best quality is his IQ.
Great short roll and kickout after offensive rebounds passer.
He's slow, but always seems to know where to be on both ends of the floor.
This season he had 1.6 assists and just 0.4 turnovers.

We need winning role players like him.

[scott]

On a more serious note, Kornet's best quality is his IQ.
Great short roll and kickout after offensive rebounds passer.
He's slow, but always seems to know where to be on both ends of the floor.
This season he had 1.6 assists and just 0.4 turnovers.

We need winning role players like him.

Honestly, I was already sold after seeing how hilarious this guy is from SpursBills' link. No longer need the fit explained.

[Light]

$27 million a year for a fourth option who plays no defense is rich as hell and the Spurs are stuck with him until 2029-30. He makes it really tough to sign Sochan or to spend the MLE when you have to plan for Wemby's extension in 2027, Castle's in 2028, and Harper's in 2029. He's a hugely negative contract they need to rid themselves of this summer, hopefully for Collins and his expiring, assuming he will cost significantly less to re-sign than Jabari Smith just got.

Stupid front office. They should have known they were going to draft Wemby, Castle, and Harper in the following years. The absolute worst time to overpay someone is when your core three players are on rookie deals.

[baseline bum]

Stupid front office. They should have known they were going to draft Wemby, Castle, and Harper in the following years. The absolute worst time to overpay someone is when your core three players are on rookie deals.

They signed him to that deal months after drafting Wemby. Five years was pretty stupid for a China doll who doesn't play defense and the last two years of his deal Wemby is no longer on his rookie deal.

[MannyIsGod]

So much complaining about the Vassell contract when it's the centerpiece in any trade for a star. It's not a contract that hurts the spurs at all right now.

[scottspurs]

Ayton smells like another gift to the lakers from the league

[vy65]

Nope, no scouting here. We're just going for vibes on this one

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/1ay1v93/kornhub_a_collection_of_the_korniest_moments_of/

“I haven’t seen a white kill jazz like that since Ryan Reynolds in La La Land.”

Brian, pay this man his money for fucks sake.

[TimmyBuckets]

Vassell isn't overpaid. Also he's our only SG, aside from combo guards. Also he's one of our best shooters. People want him gone and want to start Carter Bryant as a rookie lmao. Vassell isn't going anywhere.

[LeBowen]

Ayton smells like another gift to the lakers from the league

If he goes there they'll want him gone within a month.

[Light]

They signed him to that deal months after drafting Wemby. Five years was pretty stupid for a China doll who doesn't play defense and the last two years of his deal Wemby is no longer on his rookie deal.

So the smart move would've been to make sure their best non-Wemby player was off the books when it came time to extend Wemby?

[baseline bum]

Vassell isn't overpaid. Also he's our only SG, aside from combo guards. Also he's one of our best shooters. People want him gone and want to start Carter Bryant as a rookie lmao. Vassell isn't going anywhere.

Barnes, Paul, Mamu, and Champ were better three point shooters last season. Vassell is a league average three point shooter and that's supposed to be the best part of his game. No one wants to start Carter Bryant. I want him gone for a better roster fit in Collins and then Barnes can start at the SF.

[cd98]

Vassell’s contract is not an issue. It was done knowing the salary cap would grow. It will be a reasonable deal in the future, especially for a young guy not in his prime that is above the league average 3 point percentage and the ability to be a decent defender.

[baseline bum]

So the smart move would've been to make sure their best non-Wemby player was off the books when it came time to extend Wemby?

At least you concede they overpaid him

[baseline bum]

Vassell’s contract is not an issue. It was done knowing the salary cap would grow. It will be a reasonable deal in the future, especially for a young guy not in his prime that is above the league average 3 point percentage and the ability to be a decent defender.

Vassell is a whole 0.8% above league average shooting the three and that defensive potential talk is kind of ridiculous five years in when he has been nothing but a traffic cone defensively.

[cd98]

Vassell is a whole 0.8% above league average shooting the three and that defensive potential talk is kind of ridiculous five years in when he has been nothing but a traffic cone defensively.

You don’t have to like him. The Spurs do. He is probably in the starting line up when the season begins bc he’s better than the other three point shooters on the team. If he is traded, it needs to be for a shooter. I think he has value to a lot of teams in the league. They are only trading him for a star type player, in my opinion. He’s still not in his prime. It’ll be interesting to see what he looks like with a full offseason to work on his game.

[Light]

At least you concede they overpaid him

I'm indifferent, tbh. Whether it was an overpay or not, it hasn't prevented the team from acquiring talent and he's a tradeable asset for retaining talent.

[Mugen]

Ayton playing w Luka would be pretty funny tbh. I hope it happens.

[baseline bum]

You don’t have to like him. The Spurs do. He is probably in the starting line up when the season begins bc he’s better than the other three point shooters on the team. If he is traded, it needs to be for a shooter. I think he has value to a lot of teams in the league. They are only trading him for a star type player, in my opinion. He’s still not in his prime. It’ll be interesting to see what he looks like with a full offseason to work on his game.

He just completed his age 24 season man, I think this is his prime. He's not some 21 year old with untapped potential.

[TimmyBuckets]

There's really no point in arguing about Vassell. There's no player worth packaging him for. Collins isn't that guy. If there is, Spurs would.

[baseline bum]

There's really no point in arguing about Vassell. There's no player worth packaging him for. Collins isn't that guy. If there is, Spurs would.

Collins is worth it just to get out of Vassell's contract.

[PhantomDashCam]

It may be just recency bias (aka Playoffs), but it sure does look like the value of undersized, suspect defending guards is at an all-time low.
It makes sense why Garland is still in Cleveland and why the Spurs weren't interested really in Dillingham last draft (or am I giving them too much credit for reading the tea leaves)?

[spurraider21]

Collins is worth it just to get out of Vassell's contract.
would you amensty vassell if that was an option?

[mystargtr34]

Hey spurraider21 can you tell that guy in the other thread Ayton is going to the Lakers

[cutewizard]

Minix and Ingram are now restricted FAs....i wonder how are they developing so far? and if the FO thinks they can be rotational pieces long term

[baseline bum]

would you amensty vassell if that was an option?

Not today, as I'd strongly prefer trading him for someone who fits the team's needs and I don't think it could be sold to the cash considerations ownership until the last minute when absolutely needed (e.g. when Castle's extension starts being paid in 2028). I would very much like him off the roster though to clear playing time for Harper and Champagnie in the backcourt as well as to get Castle some minutes at the three.

[jsandiego]

Hey spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) can you tell that guy in the other thread Ayton is going to the Lakers
:spin

[BatManu20]

Lebron running back to AD would be hilarious tbh :lol

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[cd98]

He just completed his age 24 season man, I think this is his prime. He's not some 21 year old with untapped potential.

Player prime is 27 to 31. Players a continue to get better and he’s been on some awful teams early and last offseason he was recovering from surgery. So let’s see how he does but he’s the best catch and shoot player on the Spurs and a better shooter than Castle and probably Harper. Spurs seem to like him so I wouldn’t expect a trade unless it’s for a high quality player.

[scott]

Happy Free Agency Day. 2021 was the most active FA period I can remember. We signed Zach Collins and S&T'd for Doug McDermott in the first week of free agency. Will this year be as exciting? Stay tuned!

[mystargtr34]

Honestly Lebron for Gafford + PJ + Klay would make both teams better.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

We got top 8 protection on the Demar S&T from Chicago... I'd be willing to do lotto protected ATL27 or SAS29 in a S&T for Santi, personally. Don't know it would require it, but I'd be willing to go that high. I'm also a Santi-stan, so my words should be taken with a grain of salt for sure :lol

The problem with sending out future picks, which the Spurs don’t intend to do imo, would be that these protections would have to run for a few years, like for the Derozan pick. Say 2027 lottery protected 1st, then 2028 top 10 protected, then 2029 top 8 protected. With Spurs only having a single pick per year going forward such a deal would lock them up from the ability to do a big trade if someone like Giannis becomes available.

If they have any plans to go for a big fish, or just to preserve flexibility, these types of deals wouldn’t be ideal at all because of the Stepien rule.

[jesterbobman]

DeAndre seems Lakers bound - he's a good lob target, would have a starting spot, is young enough to play with Luka, and would be hilarious as a pairing given the draft history with the Suns picking him over Luka.

[Mr. Body]

Lakers are going to be must-watch. That team is a mess. Sure, they need an Ayton, but they're going to be destroyed by teams on defense. It's going to be carnage.

[cutewizard]

f u c k the lakers

[scott]

The problem with sending out future picks, which the Spurs don’t intend to do imo, would be that these protections would have to run for a few years, like for the Derozan pick. Say 2027 lottery protected 1st, then 2028 top 10 protected, then 2029 top 8 protected. With Spurs only having a single pick per year going forward such a deal would lock them up from the ability to do a big trade if someone like Giannis becomes available.

If they have any plans to go for a big fish, or just to preserve flexibility, these types of deals wouldn’t be ideal at all because of the Stepien rule.

They don’t *have* to. The Spurs could send out a pick with the protection backup to multiple seconds after only 1 year.

Whether or not that would get the deal done is another matter, but that’s all I’d be willing to do. I wouldn’t send out any picks that have protection backups that tie us up via Stepien for multiple years.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[RC_Drunkford]

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[SpursGenius]

Vassell's was five years, $146 million so quite a bit more than Smith's. Also under a lower cap than what Smith got his under.


guy like Vassel making 146 milly screams at how badly these chumps are overpaid. Same with Keldon. But thats what happens when you are talent devoid and somebody has to make the money. This is why agents are now trying to stear players in draft. Go to cap space teams that suck.

[Em-City]

So are we saying that the consensus is a Luke Cornet signing will be the best likely outcome for the post-draft offseason?

[SpursBills]

So are we saying that the consensus is a Luke Cornet signing will be the best likely outcome for the post-draft offseason?

There is no consensus here, we’re just a bunch of random people / bots throwing ideas against the wall

[KobesAchilles]

So are we saying that the consensus is a Luke Cornet signing will be the best likely outcome for the post-draft offseason?
And a Vassell or KJ trade.

[Seventyniner]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GupArD5XAAATsNw?format=jpg&name=large

Sharpe compares quite favorably if you align by seasons of experience.

[BatManu20]

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[baseline bum]

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And yet watch the Spurs throw $60 to $70 million at Suckhan

[Mugen]

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ESPN slop tbh

[Mugen]

Devin's contract will be just fine once it's used for matching purposes in a trade tbh.

[CGD]

So are we saying that the consensus is a Luke Cornet signing will be the best likely outcome for the post-draft offseason?

There is consensus that the biggest need is a back up Center. That market is surprisingly thin, so names like Kornet and Lopez make a lot of sense.

Beyond that, I think folks want to see additional shooting and a backup PF that can push (displace?) Keldon and Mamu. My preferred 2 for 1 candidate is Dean Wade from Cleveland.

[Trueblood]

Bringing in Yab and Kornet would be good but some people have to go. Consider the roster if those ended up being the only two moves. The addition of Harper plus keeping Blake and Branham pushes Devin to the three. HB and Yab at the 4 and the addition of a backup 5 really only leaves Sochan at the three. That means you have KJ, Champ, Sochan, and Devin all competing for minutes in a position that isn’t even natural for most of them.

The Spurs have proven that they value continuity over all else. They’ve passed on players that had more talent or better fit because the guys they had “knew the system”. But this year has to be different. There’s too much overlapping skill sets and underperformance. We need more than Yab and Kornet. They need to make some moves just to get some actual balance to this roster.

[Trueblood]

Lebron running back to AD would be hilarious tbh :lol

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Agreed! but his picking up the option at $50+ million and then seeking a trade would just confirm what we already know, he’s not really interested in winning another championship. If he demanded a trade whatever team trades for him would have to lose key players to make the money work. If he really wanted to win he would have opted out and taken less money on a team he wanted to play for.

[scott]

I’d love one day for an agent or former GM to explain how the period before the legal tampering period works. As others have pointed out, there is no possible way for teams and agents to work out an agreement within seconds of the tampering period opening… so obviously there is something going on prior to that.

I don’t know if it was the NBA last year or the NFL, but one of those leagues “smartened up” by not having all of these deals announced right when the tampering period opens… they must have realized that only 85% of their fans are complete morons, leaving some people who would start asking “uhhh… how did you do that?” Anyway… just a curiosity of mine as obviously the league has done nothing to curb this

[Seventyniner]

I’d love one day for an agent or former GM to explain how the period before the legal tampering period works. As others have pointed out, there is no possible way for teams and agents to work out an agreement within seconds of the tampering period opening… so obviously there is something going on prior to that.

I don’t know if it was the NBA last year or the NFL, but one of those leagues “smartened up” by not having all of these deals announced right when the tampering period opens… they must have realized that only 85% of their fans are complete morons, leaving some people who would start asking “uhhh… how did you do that?” Anyway… just a curiosity of mine as obviously the league has done nothing to curb this

The big issue here is the league can't stop players from talking with their own teams, and they can't stop players from talking to players from other teams. Direct negotiations are a no-no, indirect ones are the name of the game. The July 6 moratorium is silly though.

[BatManu20]

Great pickup by the Rockets tbh. Dillon Brooks' replacement.

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[Dex]

Spurs seem to be the front-runner to land Kornet, so I'm expecting the announcement he is signing with Brooklyn or Washington or some bullshit

[poopbox]

Houston turning Green and Brooks into KD and DFS is pretty insane

[Dex]

Houston turning Green and Brooks into KD and DFS is pretty insane

Yeah, I hate to say it but Houston looks pretty scary for the next couple years. Gonna be a roadblock if the Spurs hope to contend for anything soon.

Obviously this changes if KD can't stay healthy, but not gonna wish that on anybody.

[SpursFan86]

Bleh, don’t want to see DFS go to Houston. They’re shaping up to be a legitimate contender next year.

FVV/Amen/Jabari/KD/Sengun starting 5 and then a bench unit of Sheppard/DFS/Eason/Adams…only thing they need is one more decent guard and they’re sitting pretty.

[Ice009]

DARN. Rockets are loading up :(. I don't want to see him go there either.

[Mugen]

Why would the Lakers let DFS walk tbh?

[Mr. Body]

Why would the Lakers let DFS walk tbh?

I don't think he wants to stay.

[objective]

Kornet is getting a little overrated.

Entering his year 30 season. Sure he could play 15-20 minutes, but he was surrounded by shooters at all times. He doesn't shoot 3s, doesn't space doesn't score.

People remember the game with 7 blocks and that was great. They don't remember the 4 playoff games without a block.

He might be better than nothing. Better than Bassey straight up even without the yearly knee injury. Better than Biyombo? Okay.

But I'm not too excited over him

[ambchang]

Wade and sharpe are guys we should go after. Under the radar, decent athleticism, cheap. We only need a backup. Not an allstar in every position.

Also would need a veteran presence.

[Mr. Body]

Actually it seems the Lakes don't want to keep DFS. They want to use their money on a big.

[SpursFan86]

Sharpe going to sign a 2 year/12MM deal to return to Brooklyn, per Shams. Very solid deal…would’ve much rather given him that sort of deal than throw the full MLE at Kornet tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Kornet is getting a little overrated.

Entering his year 30 season. Sure he could play 15-20 minutes, but he was surrounded by shooters at all times. He doesn't shoot 3s, doesn't space doesn't score.

People remember the game with 7 blocks and that was great. They don't remember the 4 playoff games without a block.

He might be better than nothing. Better than Bassey straight up even without the yearly knee injury. Better than Biyombo? Okay.

But I'm not too excited over him

The Spurs just need a serviceable back up C to man the fort for 15 mins a night while Vic rests that doesn't immediately collapse our entire defense. I think he can fill that role. Certainly more than Bassey or Collins or Biyombo

[John B]

I don't think he wants to stay.

Hopefully he knows more than we do.

[Mr. Body]

Hopefully he knows more than we do.

It would suck to be the only vaguely decent defender on a team like that.

[ace3g]

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[Degoat]

Damn these teams resigning their guys!!!

[Mugen]

Is there a minimum contract length for the full MLE? I'm okay with Kornet getting it but anything longer than 2 years seems too much IMO. I can live with 3 years I guess but 4 seems like a big overpay tbh.

[Chinook]

Is there a minimum contract length for the full MLE? I'm okay with Kornet getting it but anything longer than 2 years seems too much IMO. I can live with 3 years I guess but 4 seems like a big overpay tbh.

It can be for one year or even part of the year if used mid-season.

[Darkwaters]

Is there a minimum contract length for the full MLE? I'm okay with Kornet getting it but anything longer than 2 years seems too much IMO. I can live with 3 years I guess but 4 seems like a big overpay tbh.

Minimum length is one year.

I think the issue there would be Kornet himself. He's probably much more interested in a multi-year deal because of the security it provides. Would he sign a one or two year deal? Hard to say.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Mugen]

Rockets cooking tbh. The 2nd round flameout is gonna be even funnier tbh :lol

[Mr. Body]

Rockets cooking tbh. The 2nd round flameout is gonna be even funnier tbh :lol

Only perimeter scorers are Van Vleet and Durant and Durant is half a season away from the end.

[spurraider21]

Only perimeter scorers are Van Vleet and Durant and Durant is half a season away from the end.
Jabari, Sheppard can shoot. if they land one of DFS/NAW thats another capable shooter. if they are able to land one of those in addition to kenard, with the penetration of Amen and the post passing of Sengun, i think they'd be more than fine

durant is still playing at an all-nba level

[Mr. Body]

Jabari, Sheppard can shoot. if they land one of DFS/NAW thats another capable shooter. if they are able to land one of those in addition to kenard, with the penetration of Amen and the post passing of Sengun, i think they'd be more than fine

durant is still playing at an all-nba level

I should say someone who can get their own shot.

[LeBowen]

I should say someone who can get their own shot.

I guess they're hoping Amen can take the next step.
I was really impressed with him this season, at times he looked like young Lebron while attacking the rim.
They'll have better spacing in the upcoming season, he'll do even more damage.

But I agree, I think they should do another consolidation trade for a reliable shot creator off the bench. Can't expect to contend with Sheppard as the only bench ballhandler. I guess they can save that trade for the deadline if Sheppard doesn't improve.

[spurraider21]

I should say someone who can get their own shot.
they were a top 2 seed with FVV and Jalen Green being those guys. they'll be even better at it this year.

Amen and Sheppard are also improvement candidates

[djohn2oo8]

I guess they're hoping Amen can take the next step.
I was really impressed with him this season, at times he looked like young Lebron while attacking the rim.
They'll have better spacing in the upcoming season, he'll do even more damage.

But I agree, I think they should do another consolidation trade for a reliable shot creator off the bench. Can't expect to contend with Sheppard as the only bench ballhandler. I guess they can save that trade for the deadline if Sheppard doesn't improve.
Whitmore gets traded for a shooter I think

[LeBowen]

Whitmore gets traded for a shooter I think

By shooter you mean shot creator who can get his own?

What's the rotation like right now:
FVV/Sheppard
Amen
KD/DFS
Jabari/Eason
Sengun/Adams

With the reports of NAW also being a target, he goes into backup slot behind Amen.
But that's still just FVV and Amen as ballhandlers and Amen isn't a shooter.

If you get NAW, I think you're Sheppard+Whitmore for a legit 6th man scorer away from being able to contest OKC.
We've seen how it went in these playoffs, the team that gave them the most trouble had multiple self-creators.

[Mr. Body]

they were a top 2 seed with FVV and Jalen Green being those guys. they'll be even better at it this year.

Amen and Sheppard are also improvement candidates

Not saying they won't be good, but they'll still depend on defense and have a strongly iso offense. The problem here is their window is very short. Durant lasts maybe a year or so. FVV is hard to depend on.

[ace3g]

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[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

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Would be great pickups, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Lots of guys already staying put….not a great FA year tbh…so hopefully theres some trades.

[Ice009]

Does "big deals" also include trades? Giannis trade maybe? I wonder what big deals Sham's is referring to.

What day/time is free agency? I thought I read 6pm a week or two. It was always 12:00am July first, wasn't it? Did they change it recently so people wouldn't have to wait until 12:00am?

[TimDunkem]

No one has any cap space. There was never going to be much movement.

[scott]

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Shams teasing that Mamu extension

[LeBowen]

Shams teasing that Mamu extension

Lebron/Bronny for Devin/Keldon/Barnes, tbh.