2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[poopbox]

Yeah looking at the deals players are signing I can't imagine one team in the nba willing to trade for Keldon or Devin tbh :lol

Should just get used to their contracts coming to an end here :lol

[TimDunkem]

Before NAW, Daniels was quite literally the only SG on the Hawks roster. To get him at that number to run with those other young guys is a good move.

[RC_Drunkford]

another big: Mo Wagner should be cheap since he’s recovering from an ACL injury

[onechance87]

Damn hope atl dont go after yabu now.Waiting to see what happens with him.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah looking at the deals players are signing I can't imagine one team in the nba willing to trade for Keldon or Devin tbh :lol

Should just get used to their contracts coming to an end here :lol

You haven't been watching lately? There are plenty of suckers ready to make moves in the NBA. I'm calling Joe Dumars right now if I'm SA. There are other teams that would be natural trade partners as well.

[Blizzardwizard]

"@ShamsCharania BREAKING: The San Antonio Spurs have traded the No. 27 overall pick in the 2027 NBA draft, via the Atlanta Hawks, for a future second-round pick and cash considerations."

[TimDunkem]

Some players that can shoot and the Spurs can sign with BAE

Taurean Prince
Tim Hardaway Jr
Gary Trent Jr
Luke Kennard
Garrison Mathews

Any one of Tim, Trent, and Kennard would be solid depth to add to the team.

[Ice009]

If the Spurs want to grab Gary Trent Jr., I wouldn't mind that signing at all.

[Degoat]

So unless we make some other changes our roster will almost be set and full…

Wemby/Kornet
Barnes/Sochan
Dev/KJ/Carter
Castle/Julian/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

That leaves 2 spots, Mamu? Bassey? Another FA?

[baseline bum]

Hard to have a better offseason than Atlanta.

Harper and Carter make our off-season pretty strong

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

75 mil for Booker ��

[mystargtr34]

The only two guys left that interest me are Yabusele and Prince (barely).

I’d be ok with giving Yabu the full BAE for 2 years so 2/$10M or 3 years and the remaining MLE which looked about 3/$13M.

Don’t think we need smaller No defense shooters like Kennard, Hardaway when we already have Vassell and Champ.

[RC_Drunkford]

I wouldn‘t mind signing Tristan Vukcevic. He‘s young and can shoot the 3. Was a decent center for the Wizards last season.

[BatManu20]

Kennard to the Hawks too. Good pickup for them.

Free agent sharpshooter Luke Kennard has agreed to a one-year, $11 million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, sources tell ESPN. Kennard has been one of the best 3-point shooters in the NBA, and Atlanta negotiated the new deal with CAA's Aaron Mintz and Dave Spahn.

[SpursFan86]

Kennard to the Hawks. Wtf man, they’re totally revamping their roster across the board :lol

[TimDunkem]

Kennard to the Hawks too

Apparently Trae was instrumental in recruiting NAW and Luke to ATL.

[BatManu20]

That ATL FRP has a really good chance of being shit next year tbh.

[spurraider21]

hawks blew the MLE by spending 11 mil on Kennard lol

i like Kennard, thats just an overpay. and they arent going to want to play him ahead of any of Trae/Daniels/NAW anyway.

i was worried they'd get a shooter with more size like robinson

[timtonymanu]

Thank God the Hawks are out East.

[Ice009]

The only two guys left that interest me are Yabusele and Prince (barely).

I’d be ok with giving Yabu the full BAE for 2 years so 2/$10M or 3 years and the remaining MLE which looked about 3/$13M.

Don’t think we need smaller No defense shooters like Kennard, Hardaway when we already have Vassell and Champ.

Kennard's a great shooter. You don't want him, don't worry, Hawks took him.

[BatManu20]

Apparently Trae was instrumental in recruiting NAW and Luke to ATL.

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[Dex]

:lol Lakers getting stonewalled in the center market.

Unless they end up with Ayton (which still seems like a consolation prize)...LeGM gonna be real mad

[spurraider21]

oh wait kennard may also have been a sign and trade leaving their full MLE still untapped

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[Dverde]

Apparently Trae was instrumental in recruiting NAW and Luke to ATL.
Maybe they should talk to Dejounte about that :lol

[TimDunkem]

oh wait kennard may also have been a sign and trade leaving their full MLE still untapped

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Who is the Hawks GM because damn :lol Take notes, Brian.

[Ariel]

I see someone is stuck in the 2015 mind set when it comes to salary. Anyone worth a damn will be getting $10m+ a year.
I see someone is stuck in the 2024 mindset when it comes to salary. Any non star is taking a significant paycut.

[mystargtr34]

Kennard is a nice fit next to NAW in the second unit. Hides some of those defensive deficiencies. Hawks still don’t have a play maker off the bench, maybe they’re banking on Bufkin. But yeah, they’ve had a great fucking off-season.

Wonder what that Trae extension will look like. Probably the max.

[Seventyniner]

oh wait kennard may also have been a sign and trade leaving their full MLE still untapped

Yeah I think Atlanta's TE was big enough to absorb both NAW at around 14M and Kennard at 11M. That might be where Kennard's salary number came from, just whatever was left of the TE after NAW.

[Ice009]

Damn, the Spurs having their draft picks gave them insane motivation to improve the team. They're going to be really good if it all falls into place for them.

[TimDunkem]

Kennard's a great shooter. You don't want him, don't worry, Hawks took him.
:lol
Some ST-ers are so stupid. They will act like they will take no less than a complete, 2-way star up and down the bench, but then turn around and bring up guys like Taurean Prince. :lmao

[heyheymymy]

the mad lads got Korn Dog

They actually did it. B. Wright aka B. RIGHT aka BE CORRECT strikes again

[mystargtr34]

Hawks new GM already moving like a top 5 GM. Thank god for Landry Fields. And Carter Bryant.

[RC_Drunkford]

Who is the Hawks GM because damn :lol Take notes, Brian.

Onsi Saleh. Ex-Spurs assistant GM

[timtonymanu]

:lol Lakers getting stonewalled in the center market.

Unless they end up with Ayton (which still seems like a consolation prize)...LeGM gonna be real mad

Reaves for Giannis move incoming.

[Ariel]

This is the way... Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell would be ELITE in New Orleans. We need to spread the word.
Yup, identify the idiot and keep dealing with them. We need to tell Brian to expand his contacts to include New Orleans, the Sacramento well dried up.

[exstatic]

Wow MPJ to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson


BREAKING: The Denver Nuggets are trading Michael Porter Jr. and an unprotected 2032 first-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for Cam Johnson, sources tell ESPN.

I’m actually genuinely shocked at this, because their owner has vociferously resisted moving MPJ because he went to Missouri, the owners alma mater. Shit went on for years. They should have moved off him as soon as player started leaving after their championship.

[Mugen]

I like the Hawks' moves but they'd be largely irrelevant if it weren't for Lillard, Tatum, and Hali all blowing out their achilles tbh. Just terrible injury luck for the Spurs picks, oh well.

[exstatic]

Kind of a weird trade lol

Not at all. Getting under the apron and freeing that much salary opens all kinds of opportunities for Denver.

[Ice009]

Onsi Saleh. Ex-Spurs assistant GM

Sh!t. How long ago did he work for the Spurs. I hope the Spurs haven't let go of another Sam Presti.

Looks like he worked for the Spurs in 2019 and then left after a couple of years. Worked for GSW a bit then to the Hawk last year.

Since Kennard is off the board as the best shooter that was left, I would like Gary Trent Jr. as another shooter to add if the can get him, or better yet a trade for one or more of the friendship crew. Hopefully Yabusele is in.

[spurraider21]

after the kornet signing and factoring in both rookies, we still have 2 open roster spots assuming we are retaining wesley/branham

i imagine they are trying to work Yabusele with Mamu as the fallback option. wonder if they bring back bassey or revisit barlow on a 1 year min deal as a 3rd string big

[mystargtr34]

Prince back to the Bucks 2/$7.1M wouldn’t have minded that on the Spurs backing up HB until that upgrade at the 4 comes along via trade.

Yabu or Duncan Robinson are still interesting but feel like they’re out of the Spurs price range now.

[RC_Drunkford]

Looks like there are some issues between Myles Turner and Indiana regarding his extension

[mystargtr34]

What’s Duncan Robinson market value in todays market? 3/$30M? 2/$25M?

[Dejounte]

Charlotte really going all white with their roster

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liam
kalkbrenner
plumlee
sion james

[td4mvp2k]

nance jr would fit well in SA.. not sure if hawks can still bring him back

[Mr. Body]

Charlotte really going all white with their roster

kon
liam
kalkbrenner
plumlee
sion james

Sion James?

[mystargtr34]

Charlotte really going all white with their roster

kon
liam
kalkbrenner
plumlee
sion james

Sion James? He’s as dark as Tony Snell

[spurraider21]

What’s Duncan Robinson market value in todays market? 3/$30M? 2/$25M?
could be a sign and trade target

[Dejounte]

Sion James?


Sion James? He’s as dark as Tony Snell

listen to him in an interview lol

[SpursFan86]

after the kornet signing and factoring in both rookies, we still have 2 open roster spots assuming we are retaining wesley/branham

i imagine they are trying to work Yabusele with Mamu as the fallback option. wonder if they bring back bassey or revisit barlow on a 1 year min deal as a 3rd string big

I like Yabusele, but what the hell do you do with a rotation of Sochan/Barnes/Yabu/Champagnie/Bryant for the SF/PF slots? Just give everyone 15 mpg and hope someone forces you to play them more because they’re playing surprisingly well? Guess Vassell will have to play the 3 a decent amount, but still. Just seems so messy.

Edit: lmao, left out Keldon on accident and it makes this post even funnier

[spurraider21]

I like Yabusele, but what the hell do you do with a rotation of Sochan/Barnes/Yabu/Champagnie/Bryant for the SF/PF slots? Just give everyone 15 mpg and hope someone forces you to play them more because they’re playing surprisingly well? Guess Vassell will have to play the 3 a decent amount, but still. Just seems so messy.
a) you have to have 15 people on the roster even if you're never going to have a 15 man rotation. better to have good ones than bad ones, and you can always flip good players. and we shouldnt just assume bryant will have rotation minutes. or that champ will compete for PF mintues. introduce competition and good things will happen

b) barnes is expiring this year. keldon probably should be traded but dno if the team is leaning that way. its unclear what sochan's future is. you sign yabu to a 2 year deal and suddenly you have insurance at PF for next year with that uncertainty

[CGD]

So unless we make some other changes our roster will almost be set and full…

Wemby/Kornet
Barnes/Sochan
Dev/KJ/Carter
Castle/Julian/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

That leaves 2 spots, Mamu? Bassey? Another FA?

Still work to do in my view.

They need to upgrade the Barnes position if they intend to start Dev at SF and bench Sochan. It would also be great to upgrade the Champaigne position, but he’s good value.

[DAF86]

The only two guys left that interest me are Yabusele and Prince (barely).

I’d be ok with giving Yabu the full BAE for 2 years so 2/$10M or 3 years and the remaining MLE which looked about 3/$13M.

Don’t think we need smaller No defense shooters like Kennard, Hardaway when we already have Vassell and Champ.

Now that we have our backup C, need #1, #2, #3 and #infinity is shooting. 8 out of 10 rotation players are below average to horrible 3 pt shooters. If we don't add shooting, we are going straight back to the lottery once again.

[SpursFan86]

a) you have to have 15 people on the roster even if you're never going to have a 15 man rotation. better to have good ones than bad ones, and you can always flip good players. and we shouldnt just assume bryant will have rotation minutes. or that champ will compete for PF mintues. introduce competition and good things will happen

b) barnes is expiring this year. keldon probably should be traded but dno if the team is leaning that way. its unclear what sochan's future is. you sign yabu to a 2 year deal and suddenly you have insurance at PF for next year with that uncertainty

Yeah, the point of my post I guess was just that a consolidation move makes so much sense. I’m not saying we shouldn’t add Yabu - I think getting him on a reasonable deal for the BAE or whatever is totally fine.

[DAF86]

Still work to do in my view.

They need to upgrade the Barnes position if they intend to start Dev at SF and bench Sochan. It would also be great to upgrade the Champaigne position, but he’s good value.

Why are you talking about upgrading Barnes and Champagnie's positions, but not Keldon's? By far, our worst rotation player?

[dn0774]

Man, people in here acting like NAW going to ATL just shifted the entire balance of power in the NBA. What am I missing here? Seems like a decent little backup who can occasionally start if someones injured, but beyond that i'm not seeing it. The money seems right for a capable backup, but not a fleece by any measure by the Hawks.

That being said, I would gladly take NAW @ $16m per over Vassell @ $27m per.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Why are you talking about upgrading Barnes and Champagnie's positions, but not Keldon's? By far, our worst rotation player?
Disagree. Keldon is by far better than Champagnie - just not for the $.

I'm good w/ Keldon or Vassel being trade bait for a 3-D PF (even one who's a clear backup). The obvious problem w/ both Keldon and Vassel is they play the most common position in the NBA and neither is worth their salary. Let's consider that we're "stuck" with both. Who can we trade to get our missing pieces...

Champagnie and Sochan.

[TimmyBuckets]

We just need a shooter now. Wanted Kennard too bad though.

[LakerHater]

Watford signing could mean 6ers losing Yabusele

[BatManu20]

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[TimmyBuckets]

Hawks and Rockets made some moves! All I know is Spurs getting a sharpshooter would be perfect. IDK who's available

[DAF86]

Disagree. Keldon is by far better than Champagnie - just not for the $.

I'm good w/ Keldon or Vassel being trade bait for a 3-D PF (even one who's a clear backup). The obvious problem w/ both Keldon and Vassel is they play the most common position in the NBA and neither is worth their salary. Let's consider that we're "stuck" with both. Who can we trade to get our missing pieces...

Champagnie and Sochan.

That's not what the metrics indicate.

[Mr. Body]

Hawks and Rockets made some moves! All I know is Spurs getting a sharpshooter would be perfect. IDK who's available

Duncan. Robinson.

[CGD]

Why are you talking about upgrading Barnes and Champagnie's positions, but not Keldon's? By far, our worst rotation player?

Basically I’m looking at the position, less the player. Keldon’s days starting are over, and Barnes isn’t the answer at starting PF. Btw I think he needs to cycle off the team too.

You can see a world where Bryant and Sochan ARE the solution next to Wemby, but Bryant will need time.

[SpursFan86]

Man, people in here acting like NAW going to ATL just shifted the entire balance of power in the NBA. What am I missing here? Seems like a decent little backup who can occasionally start if someones injured, but beyond that i'm not seeing it. The money seems right for a capable backup, but not a fleece by any measure by the Hawks.

That being said, I would gladly take NAW @ $16m per over Vassell @ $27m per.

Adding Porzingis/NAW/Kennard + got very good value with Asa Newell in the draft + got NOP’s 2026 FRP which could be juicy. They’re not a top 3 team in the league or anything but their outlook is totally different now vs. a few weeks ago when we were all salivating at the idea of having their picks the next couple of years. The fact they’re in the East obviously helps too.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

leave it to ST to pine for a player, then assume that player won't get signed, then bitch about the signing when it happens (before even knowing all the details of the contract).

:lol True.

It’s only a couple of posters, though, and they bitch about everything anyway.

[TimmyBuckets]

Duncan. Robinson.

He made 18 mil though. What you think his market is, about the same amount? Can we afford it?

[mo7888]

He made 18 mil though. What you think his market is, about the same amount? Can we afford it?

S&T

[TimmyBuckets]

S&T

If it works out, he'd be a great get.

[mo7888]

If it works out, he'd be a great get.

I agree

[CGD]

He made 18 mil though. What you think his market is, about the same amount? Can we afford it?

No way he gets a new deal starting at 18M, but obviously he doesn’t opt out either without some plan to sign a multi year deal for more overall money. He’s probably got something already lined up with Miami, but if not he’d be an interesting target for sure.

[DAF86]

Basically I’m looking at the position, less the player. Keldon’s days starting are over, and Barnes isn’t the answer at starting PF. Btw I think he needs to cycle off the team too.

You can see a world where Bryant and Sochan ARE the solution next to Wemby, but Bryant will need time.

Barnes and Vassell are the only above average 3 pt shooters we have in the entire roster. You would be surprised how little we would improve by replacing them. The quickest and easiest way to improve is to erase from the rotation the only player that doesn't add anything of value at any side of the floor (aka: Keldon), with someone that improves our biggest weakness (e.i: shooting).

[Guru of Nothing]

Shout out to the hamster tonight. Solid work.

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[Blizzardwizard]

PHI reporter confirmed yabusele is gone after they signed trendon watford



please denver. don't steal him and condemn us to another year of watching sochan/barnes at PF

[TimmyBuckets]

We deeeeep thouggghhhhh

[Mr. Body]

Shout out to the hamster tonight. Solid work.

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xhamster? Oh, right

[dn0774]

Adding Porzingis/NAW/Kennard + got very good value with Asa Newell in the draft + got NOP’s 2026 FRP which could be juicy. They’re not a top 3 team in the league or anything but their outlook is totally different now vs. a few weeks ago when we were all salivating at the idea of having their picks the next couple of years. The fact they’re in the East obviously helps too.

Oh, I love their off season as whole (obviously the fleecing of the Pelicans being the main course), my comment is regarding the NAW signing in a vacuum. Posters going nuts about it, shocked at the amount being so "low" etc. I just don't see the crazy value there, NAW's advanced stats don't indicate that he is ready for a role promotion or anything which mean they are paying a guy firmly in backup territory a good chunk of change.

Kennard is a disgustingly elite shooter who everyone loves the idea of having on their roster. The problem? He gets absolutely hunted with great success and often gets played off the floor because of it. Maybe with a Trae and Kennard lineup teams will get confused on which guy to target, though. Porzingis is basically a coin flip, he will either play 20 games or 60 games, still an expiring so that is good.

I'm mostly interested in if Dyson Daniels can take another nice step (he is only 22 which seems crazy) and what year 2 Risacher adds, if they hit the Hawks are a dark horse in the East it pains me to say.

[KobesAchilles]

So the Hawks got NAW for 4 years 62 million and we got a worse player in Vassell for more than double the price. Please Mitch talk some sense into BWrigjt and tell him not to extend Sochan

[Degoat]

So my question, we need shooting and I would love to add Yabusele… However, question where is that shooter going to find any playing time? And are we wanting Yabusele over resigning Mamu?

[vy65]

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[CGD]

Barnes and Vassell are the only above average 3 pt shooters we have in the entire roster. You would be surprised how little we would improve by replacing them. The quickest and easiest way to improve is to erase from the rotation the only player that doesn't add anything of value at any side of the floor (aka: Keldon), with someone that improves our biggest weakness (e.i: shooting).

Sure and you can keep both. I just don’t think you can also start both. Both should be coming off the bench in a world where these spurs were a little mature.

Bottom line: Barnes is not the solution at PF; Bryant isn’t ready; and this is a big year for Sochan to prove he is, but obviously that’s tenuous too.

[spursistan]

LAL taking body blows. Good for our playoff chances.

1. OKC
2. HOU
3. DEN
4. MIN

5. GSW
6. DAL

7. LAL
8. LAC
9. SAS
10. MEM

11. PHX
12. POR
13. SAC
14. NOLA
15. UTA

Yeah Lakers looking like the biggest losers of this Free Agency so far..Spurs need another move or two to get to that 5th/6th tier hopefuls.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah Lakers looking like the biggest losers of this Free Agency so far..Spurs need another move or two to get to that 5th/6th tier hopefuls.

LAL will get Ayton, but that roster sucks and LeBron is already looking to get out.

[mystargtr34]

Lakers getting Ayton with the full MLE so they prob didn’t go after any of the other Centers because you can’t get them with the BAE.

Losing DFS hurts though.

Ayton - Lebron - LaRavia - Reeves - Luka

That’s a first round exit again. They need to trade either Lebron or Reeves and picks for upgrades.

[DAF86]

Sure and you can keep both. I just don’t think you can also start both. Both should be coming off the bench in a world where these spurs were a little mature.

Bottom line: Barnes is not the solution at PF; Bryant isn’t ready; and this is a big year for Sochan to prove he is, but obviously that’s tenuous too.

If by "replacing" Vassell and Barnes you meant "sending them to the bench", I agree. The one that really needs to be replaced out of the rotation is Keldon, though.

[vy65]

That 5-10 range is really interesting because almost all those teams are susceptible to injuries/are dealing with injuries already (DAL). But doing a Vassell for John Collins deal would probably get them into the top 6. But that isn’t likely.

[Mr. Body]

How y'all gonna like Keldon and Vassell playing for the Lake show?

[vy65]

Lakers getting Ayton with the full MLE so they prob didn’t go after any of the other Centers because you can’t get them with the BAE.

Losing DFS hurts though.

Ayton - Lebron - LaRavia - Reeves - Luka

That’s a first round exit again. They need to trade either Lebron or Reeves and picks for upgrades.

LeBron is gonna lose to Father Time one of these days too …

[Tyrone Jenkins]

That's not what the metrics indicate.

The only stat Champ is better at is 3P (made and %). And he's a LOT better. Keldon shot 31%. Champ shot 37.

But, the rest is about the same or Keldon is better (to include pts per game, 2P% and off reb). Keldon averaged 12.7 ppg. Champ averaged 9.7. I'm not interested in a bunch of DVOA or other so-called advanced stats. I go to the games - Keldon is better to me.

Champ might play a bit better defense but it's not that much better. Keldon makes $17.5. Champ makes $3.

I would GLADLY take Champ over Keldon but that's the problem - so would everyone else...

[LakerHater]

Rox really helpin KD, puttin pieces around'em!!

[dn0774]

There are high iq players and low iq players, Keldon is unfortunately a no iq player. For a team trying to enter the playoff picture, Keldon just hurts the team too much to ever be a net positive, especially as a vet. I can handle dealing with growing and learning from a young guy (ie Castle as a rook). But for a guy going into his 7th season to still have zero feel for the game and who just plays entirely on impulse? It ain't going to magically get better, we have to move on and cut our losses.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent sharpshooter Gary Trent Jr. has agreed to a two-year, $7.5 million deal to return to the Milwaukee Bucks, plus a player option, sources tell ESPN. Bucks made strong efforts to retain Trent and negotiated deal with Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul and agent Lucas Newton.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1939877334510707180

[SpursFan86]

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Jeff McDonald confirming Spurs have “strong interest” in Yabusele. Have a good feeling we get him tbh.

[DAF86]

The only stat Champ is better at is 3P (made and %). And he's a LOT better. Keldon shot 31%. Champ shot 37.

But, the rest is about the same or Keldon is better (to include pts per game, 2P% and off reb). Keldon averaged 12.7 ppg. Champ averaged 9.7. I'm not interested in a bunch of DVOA or other so-called advanced stats. I go to the games - Keldon is better to me.

Champ might play a bit better defense but it's not that much better. Keldon makes $17.5. Champ makes $3.

I would GLADLY take Champ over Keldon but that's the problem - so would everyone else...

Well, that explains why you think Keldon is better, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Shams said we'd see a lot of big deals tonight. Still waiting on a "big" deal unless we're counting MPJ trade

[mystargtr34]

Gary Trent career .555 TS% and .381% from 3. 17.5 PPG per 36. Salary $3.5M

Devin Vassell career .555 TS% and .369% from 3. 18.3 PPG per 36. Salary $27M.

DAMN

[DPG21920]

Maybe we can see a Keldon for Duncan Robinson S&T

[mystargtr34]

Power of Friendship: PRICELESS

[ace3g]

Jake Fischer JakeLFischer
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An emerging option for the Pistons, sources say, is Detroit trading for Kings guard Malik Monk. Sounds like there’s a chance this deal, if agreed to, could turn into a sign-and-trade that brings Dennis Schroder to Sacramento.

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1939879449505169601

[mystargtr34]

Maybe we can see a Keldon for Duncan Robinson S&T

Could see that. The only way I could see a team being interested in Keldon is one that values culture and wants to up their free throw attempt rate because that’s the only thing Keldon does well, get to the line.

Miami was 27th in FTA last season.

I’m clutching at straws here.

I don’t think DR is signing for more than $10-12M pa though. He only declined his $20M option because only $9.9M was garuanteed.

[scott]

Jake Fischer Jake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=36033)LFischer
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An emerging option for the Pistons, sources say, is Detroit trading for Kings guard Malik Monk. Sounds like there’s a chance this deal, if agreed to, could turn into a sign-and-trade that brings Dennis Schroder to Sacramento.

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1939879449505169601

Maybe Sacramento is still a team to hunt in trades... giving up Monk to acquire Schroder? C'mon man.

[Ice009]

Darn, I wanted to get Trent Jr. if he came cheap, and that is about the price I thought the Spurs could get him with (the remainder of the MLE), and then Yabusele with the BAE. We've got a similar player in Devin Vassell, but looking at Trent's 3 point percentage in the playoffs at .421 is what had me interested. Not a huge sample size of 16 games, but that is still pretty good.

[vy65]

Really think Duncan Robinson would fit in nicely with the second unit

[baseline bum]

Disagree. Keldon is by far better than Champagnie - just not for the $.

I'm good w/ Keldon or Vassel being trade bait for a 3-D PF (even one who's a clear backup). The obvious problem w/ both Keldon and Vassel is they play the most common position in the NBA and neither is worth their salary. Let's consider that we're "stuck" with both. Who can we trade to get our missing pieces...

Champagnie and Sochan.

Strongly disagree. Champ is a way better shooter and a way better defender. Keldon is Branham level bad defensively and he gets in the way of Victor offensively without creating for anyone but himself. Keldon is a trash level player but who will thankfully be off the books when Wemby is up for his supermax.

[Dverde]

Really think Duncan Robinson would fit in nicely with the second unit

I also like Duncan Robinson, he can sling it on drives, not just a shooter.He could replace Barnes if needed

[spurs10]

Well it's getting late and I wonder if the deals are done for the day. No word on Yabusele is puzzling and is Duncan Robinson still out there?

[tbdog]

How have the rockets paid for two good role players while obtaining KD? I am confused. We have one max player and someone only have enough for a Tax payer MLE?

[mo7888]

How have the rockets paid for two good role players while obtaining KD? I am confused. We have one max player and someone only have enough for a Tax payer MLE?

FVF's option wasnt picked up and then he resigned for half the money.

[TimmyBuckets]

So what other sharpshooters available besides Duncan Robinson? That's the missing piece this offseason. Either that or Bryant is getting 18 minutes a game lol

[R. DeMurre]

I think at this point I like Boucher a hair better than Yabusele, but either French speaker would be ok, and it’s close enough that the deciding factor might just be whichever one Wemby prefers… nothing wrong with making your franchise player happy.

[Mr. Body]

How have the rockets paid for two good role players while obtaining KD? I am confused. We have one max player and someone only have enough for a Tax payer MLE?

They will need to S&T for Capela, looks like.

[TimmyBuckets]

Can someone explain Spurs remaining $$? Can they combine rest of MLE and BAE?

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuvprHEXEAA94L2?format=jpg&name=large



https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1939901023210152007

[spurraider21]

Can someone explain Spurs remaining $$? Can they combine rest of MLE and BAE?
cant combine, no. right now the amount we have via BAE exceeds the remaining MLE regardless of how kornet's deal is structured, if i understand correctly

for that reason i think they might as well frontload kornet and just use the BAE on their next signing

[Chinook]

So the roster is

Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
Castle/Harper, Champagnie, Branham
Vassell, Johnson, Bryant
Barnes, Sochan, ______
Wembanyama, Kornet, ______

TW: Ingram, Minix, ______

It could be worse. I mean, I think it's sort of a crime if Branham and Wesley get to play out full rookie contracts despite not showing anything of note. That's especially true given how many high-seconds the Spurs have traded out of during the past few drafts. Is their scouting apparatus so atrophied that they can't find high-floor guys in the 20's and 30's anymore? It really feels like they made the shift in 2021 to chase ceiling rather than production and simply can't look at prospects through both lenses simultaneously.

In terms of free-agent signings, I'd like to see the team get the best center they can that doesn't require a rotation spot. Maybe that's Biyombo. It would have been nice if it were a guy like Raynaud, but that's in the past now. For the 15th spot, I'd actually like them to look into another guard. I don't think the Spurs should be looking at Wesley and Branham as anything other than contracts at this point. They shouldn't intend on either of them getting even spot minutes. I've been split-balling roughly 124 minutes for Fox, Harper, Vassell and Castle to share. I think that can hold on an average night. But when there are injuries, rest nights, foul trouble or whatever, they really can't expect the others to take too many minutes to make up for that. Sure, depending on who it is, they can slide some forwards to play the 2. But it would be nice to have a guard who can play 10-25 minutes every once in a while and do better than Malaki and Blake. Then finally for the two-way, I'd really like the team to grab that developmental center that they don't have on the 15.

So something like this could be the roster going into the season:

Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
Castle/Harper, Devonte Graham, Branham
Vassell, Johnson, Champagnie
Barnes, Sochan, Bryant
Wembanyama, Kornet, Biyombo

TW: Ingram, Minix, Mensah

Place-holder names in italics

I would be disappointed in this roster, but am sort of resigned to it in the wake of the Durant trade. I get that the Spurs are apparently keeping their powder as dry as they can for another trade, and they absolutely need to make the RIGHT trade. But with guys like JJJ extending and the current trend of players seemingly choosing to avoid direct free agency, I don't know what options they'll have. It seems like Giannis, Luka or bust at this point.

[TimmyBuckets]

So the roster is

Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
Castle/Harper, Champagnie, Branham
Vassell, Johnson, Bryant
Barnes, Sochan, ______
Wembanyama, Kornet, ______

TW: Ingram, Minix, ______

It could be worse. I mean, I think it's sort of a crime if Branham and Wesley get to play out full rookie contracts despite not showing anything of note. That's especially true given how many high-seconds the Spurs have traded out of during the past few drafts. Is their scouting apparatus so atrophied that they can't find high-floor guys in the 20's and 30's anymore? It really feels like they made the shift in 2021 to chase ceiling rather than production and simply can't look at prospects through both lenses simultaneously.

In terms of free-agent signings, I'd like to see the team get the best center they can that doesn't require a rotation spot. Maybe that's Biyombo. It would have been nice if it were a guy like Raynaud, but that's in the past now. For the 15th spot, I'd actually like them to look into another guard. I don't think the Spurs should be looking at Wesley and Branham as anything other than contracts at this point. They shouldn't intend on either of them getting even spot minutes. I've been split-balling roughly 124 minutes for Fox, Harper, Vassell and Castle to share. I think that can hold on an average night. But when there are injuries, rest nights, foul trouble or whatever, they really can't expect the others to take too many minutes to make up for that. Sure, depending on who it is, they can slide some forwards to play the 2. But it would be nice to have a guard who can play 10-25 minutes every once in a while and do better than Malaki and Blake. Then finally for the two-way, I'd really like the team to grab that developmental center that they don't have on the 15.

So something like this could be the roster going into the season:

Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
Castle/Harper, Devonte Graham, Branham
Vassell, Johnson, Champagnie
Barnes, Sochan, Bryant
Wembanyama, Kornet, Biyombo

TW: Ingram, Minix, Mensah

Place-holder names in italics

I would be disappointed in this roster, but am sort of resigned to it in the wake of the Durant trade. I get that the Spurs are apparently keeping their powder as dry as they can for another trade, and they absolutely need to make the RIGHT trade. But with guys like JJJ extending and the current trend of players seemingly choosing to avoid direct free agency, I don't know what options they'll have. It seems like Giannis, Luka or bust at this point.

Champ is 6'8 I would slot him next to Sochan/before KJ. NVM I saw the rest of the post.

[Chinook]

cant combine, no. right now the amount we have via BAE exceeds the remaining MLE regardless of how kornet's deal is structured, if i understand correctly

for that reason i think they might as well frontload kornet and just use the BAE on their next signing

The Spurs can still do something like trade Wesley and a second to Team X as part of a S&T deal with Boston in order to preserve their full MLE. I'd probably prefer they do that just to keep the MLE alive for a potential trade during the season. But they'll probably end up using a big chunk of it on Kornet.

[spurraider21]

still bummed at how cheap LaRavia could have been had compared to, say, NAW

its also abundantly clear that moving keldon makes a ton of sense for them right now and therer are a couple of paths to make that happen, none that seem imminent or particularly likely

[cutewizard]

One of the best offseasons in years, guys

The coaching staff upgrade, the stellar rookies, the back up center

Are we done?

Hopefully there is one more move.........

[Jordan Jackson]

Well it's getting late and I wonder if the deals are done for the day. No word on Yabusele is puzzling and is Duncan Robinson still out there?

Regarding Yabusele, I think Denver is in play and can beat any Spurs offer. To be honest, Denver is probably a better situation. They are contenders.

This current Spurs roster is weird. Not sure if they plan on fixing it either.

[spurraider21]

Regarding Yabusele, I think Denver is in play and can beat any Spurs offer. To be honest, Denver is probably a better situation. They are contenders.

This current Spurs roster is weird. Not sure if they plan on fixing it either.
he'd have a bigger role for the spurs. he's competing with aaron gordon for PF minutes in denver. right now he'd be competing against sochan for the spurs

[mystargtr34]

LaRavia would have been nice but I think Yabu is the Spurs guy.

What if they gave Kornet the max 8% raises to make up that $41M that means the deal would start at $9M then 10-11-12 (roughly). That leaves $5M of the MLE they could give Yabu max raises on that too and go 3/$16M that prob gets it done.

[SpursGenius]

still bummed at how cheap LaRavia could have been had compared to, say, NAW

its also abundantly clear that moving keldon makes a ton of sense for them right now and therer are a couple of paths to make that happen, none that seem imminent or particularly likely
would have been the prefect shooter at small money. Lakers got a steal

[mystargtr34]

Ps I think Yabu would take the starting role over HB. If he signs here.

[scott]

LaRavia would have been nice but I think Yabu is the Spurs guy.

What if they gave Kornet the max 8% raises to make up that $41M that means the deal would start at $9M then 10-11-12 (roughly). That leaves $5M of the MLE they could give Yabu max raises on that too and go 3/$16M that prob gets it done.

8% raises are only for Bird Rights contracts. Max raises the Spurs could give Luke would be 5%. I think it's more likely this is a descending deal.

[mystargtr34]

8% raises are only for Bird Rights contracts. Max raises the Spurs could give Luke would be 5%. I think it's more likely this is a descending deal.

Gotcha. Just saw that on my Google AI search. In that case there won’t be much MLE left over.

So the best the Spurs can give Yabu is the full BAE which is maxed at 2 years in length so 2/$10.5M. He can prob get more than that elsewhere I think. But we shall see.

[bdictjames]

Ps I think Yabu would take the starting role over HB. If he signs here.
Totally overrating Yabusele. He is a third stringer for a reason. The Spurs need some shooting to surround Victor. The second unit needs some creators. Yabu, Sochan, Kornet, Carter Bryant, and Harper don't seem like such a bad unit.

[mystargtr34]

I don’t think Yabu is that great fwiw but also don’t think HB is that great either outside of his shooting. Really poor rebounder and mediocre defensively.

[Jordan Jackson]

Well it's getting late and I wonder if the deals are done for the day. No word on Yabusele is puzzling and is Duncan Robinson still out there?

Regarding Yabusele, I think Denver is in play and can beat any Spurs offer. To be honest, Denver is probably a better situation. They are contenders.

This current Spurs roster is weird. Not sure if they plan on fixing it either.

[objective]

Barnes in the starting lineup is going to make it hard to be better than mediocre. He just doesn't rebound or defend well enough. Every minute with him is just another hard minute for Wemby, hell I can believe the rumors if him not wanting to play center as much

I hope this community friendship nonsense isn't the basket barrier to including Barnes in a trade. It's just as stupid way to approach and handle a player who is already expiring and could be gone in a year anyway.

[cutewizard]

How much money do we have left guys?

[RC_Drunkford]

How have the rockets paid for two good role players while obtaining KD? I am confused. We have one max player and someone only have enough for a Tax payer MLE?

that‘s what happens when you don’t overpay mediocre role player just because of „culture“

[cutewizard]

Are we one move away from being stacked???/

[LeBowen]

Are we one move away from being stacked???/

We actually are.

Primary ballhandlers:
Fox/Harper

Point of attack defenders:
Castle/Sochan

Rim protectors:
Wemby/Kornet

Off the ball wings:
(one move away), Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant

That one move would be trading Devin+Keldon for a high end starter.
Then we can also add Yabusele in free agency.

Adding Yabusele kind of makes no sense if Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant and Sochan are all expected to get SF/PF minutes. Someone has to go.

[cutewizard]

We actually are.

Primary ballhandlers:
Fox/Harper

Point of attack defenders:
Castle/Sochan

Rim protectors:
Wemby/Kornet

Off the ball wings:
(one move away), Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant

That one move would be trading Devin+Keldon for a high end starter.
Then we can also add Yabusele in free agency.

Adding Yabusele kind of makes no sense if Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant and Sochan are all expected to get SF/PF minutes. Someone has to go.

.................................................. ..........

Thanks Sir!

Our team now has some tools to work with, compared to the Great Drought years, haha.....

What a turnaround....

[scottspurs]

With 2 roster spots left I think the spurs should bring in one more veteran. I think they should leave the last spot open in case someone impresses in Summer league or for potential buy outs. I prefer a shooter but doubling down on big would also make sense. This is the order I would be pursuing remaining free agents:


Duncan Robinson - Shooter
Amir Coffey - Shooter
Caleb Houston - Shooter
Eric Gordon - Shooter
Guerschon Yabusele - Big
Mo Wagner- Big
Doug McDermott - shooter
Larry Nance Jr. - Bench depth
Brandon Boston Jr. - Bench depth


Otherwise just choose between Bassey and Mamu.

[cutewizard]

With 2 roster spots left I think the spurs should bring in one more veteran. I think they should leave the last spot open in case someone impresses in Summer league or for potential buy outs. I prefer a shooter but doubling down on big would also make sense. This is the order I would be pursuing remaining free agents:


Duncan Robinson - Shooter
Amir Coffey - Shooter
Caleb Houston - Shooter
Eric Gordon - Shooter
Guerschon Yabusele - Big
Mo Wagner- Big
Doug McDermott - shooter
Larry Nance Jr. - Bench depth
Brandon Boston Jr. - Bench depth


Otherwise just choose between Bassey and Mamu.

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Thanks Sir, i was just about to ask about this one......

[Dejounte]

They almost always leave the 15th spot open

[SpursBills]

We actually are.

Primary ballhandlers:
Fox/Harper

Point of attack defenders:
Castle/Sochan

Rim protectors:
Wemby/Kornet

Off the ball wings:
(one move away), Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant

That one move would be trading Devin+Keldon for a high end starter.
Then we can also add Yabusele in free agency.

Adding Yabusele kind of makes no sense if Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Champagnie, Bryant and Sochan are all expected to get SF/PF minutes. Someone has to go.

Vassell and Keldon and picks for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson let’s gooo

[mo7888]

Vassell and Keldon and picks for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson let’s gooo

You have my attention..

[Cabrito]

I thought Duncan Robinson was just an idiot for opting out of his $20 million last year of his contract. Only $10 million was guaranteed so he bet on himself thinking he could get $10 million a year somewhere else. I don’t dislike him but I don’t see why we would sign him other than a vet presence. Clearly he still wants to play and be a defensive traffic cone for some team. He is a progress stopper for one of the younger players. I prefer minutes going to the young wings we have.

[CGD]

What do we think of Precious Achuwa for front court depth? Just realized he’s a UFA.

[LeBowen]

Vassell and Keldon and picks for Andrew Wiggins and Duncan Robinson let’s gooo

Picks? I'm not sure I'd do that trade even without any picks involved.
We don't need lateral moves, we need to find a better fit instead of those two.

[SpursBills]

Picks? I'm not sure I'd do that trade even without any picks involved.
We don't need lateral moves, we need to find a better fit instead of those two.

Use of the many second rounders that the spurs have - goal would be to have better size while moving off contracts a year earlier

[mo7888]

Picks? I'm not sure I'd do that trade even without any picks involved.
We don't need lateral moves, we need to find a better fit instead of those two.

I think Wiggins and DR are a better fit with the rest of our roster and their contracts can end earlier. Are there other deal that I'd prefer out there? Sure, but this is better than what we currently have.

[LeBowen]

Use of the many second rounders that the spurs have - goal would be to have better size while moving off contracts a year earlier

But Wiggins isn't the size we need, imo.

If we assume Fox/Castle/Harper are ballhandles and Wemby/Kornet are rim protectors, that leaves us with 96 minutes for two off the ball wing positions.
Devin can get some guard minutes, but that's about it.

We have Devin, Barnes, Keldon, Jeremy, Champagnie who who are all rotation players, but noone really stands out.
We need addition by subtraction because if they're all on the roster on the opening night, you know noone other than maybe Champagnie will get DNPs. And even that would be really unfair since he's definitely more valuable than Keldon and enables his teammates better than Devin or Sochan.

We're at the stage where I'd send a second rounder or two to the Wizards or Nets just so they take Keldon, he's a detriment in every aspect.
I think Devin should also go, but I can understand if the front office still has hopes for him. But there's no hope for Keldon.

[SpursFan86]

So let’s say this is pretty much the end of the offseason. We add 1-2 more vet min guys (presumably who won’t get more than 10 mpg) + give Minix/Ingram 2-way deals and call it a day. Let’s ignore potential Fox/Soxhan extensions for now…

How would you guys grade the offseason? It would feel pretty bittersweet to me. On one hand, Harper and Bryant in the draft + Kornet in FA are all A+ moves that I’m very excited about. But it just feels so gross bringing back every single one of Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes/Wesley/Branham. I never seriously expected them to get rid of the majority of those guys in one offseason (lol RC_Drunkford ) but I really wanted us to at least mix it up some.

I’d probably go with a B. All in all I really don’t think we can complain much: we practically didn’t get to see any of Fox/Wemby so I get that things might look different in the context of adding those 2 guys when they’re healthy. I’d just really like to see the Spurs have a little shorter of a leash with guys who are clearly flawed and don’t show much improvement for multiple years.

[poopbox]

So the roster is

Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
Castle/Harper, Champagnie, Branham
Vassell, Johnson, Bryant
Barnes, Sochan, ______
Wembanyama, Kornet, ______

TW: Ingram, Minix, ______

It could be worse. I mean, I think it's sort of a crime if Branham and Wesley get to play out full rookie contracts despite not showing anything of note. That's especially true given how many high-seconds the Spurs have traded out of during the past few drafts. Is their scouting apparatus so atrophied that they can't find high-floor guys in the 20's and 30's anymore? It really feels like they made the shift in 2021 to chase ceiling rather than production and simply can't look at prospects through both lenses simultaneously.

In terms of free-agent signings, I'd like to see the team get the best center they can that doesn't require a rotation spot. Maybe that's Biyombo. It would have been nice if it were a guy like Raynaud, but that's in the past now. For the 15th spot, I'd actually like them to look into another guard. I don't think the Spurs should be looking at Wesley and Branham as anything other than contracts at this point. They shouldn't intend on either of them getting even spot minutes. I've been split-balling roughly 124 minutes for Fox, Harper, Vassell and Castle to share. I think that can hold on an average night. But when there are injuries, rest nights, foul trouble or whatever, they really can't expect the others to take too many minutes to make up for that. Sure, depending on who it is, they can slide some forwards to play the 2. But it would be nice to have a guard who can play 10-25 minutes every once in a while and do better than Malaki and Blake. Then finally for the two-way, I'd really like the team to grab that developmental center that they don't have on the 15.

So something like this could be the roster going into the season:

Fox, Harper/Castle, Wesley
Castle/Harper, Devonte Graham, Branham
Vassell, Johnson, Champagnie
Barnes, Sochan, Bryant
Wembanyama, Kornet, Biyombo

TW: Ingram, Minix, Mensah

Place-holder names in italics

I would be disappointed in this roster, but am sort of resigned to it in the wake of the Durant trade. I get that the Spurs are apparently keeping their powder as dry as they can for another trade, and they absolutely need to make the RIGHT trade. But with guys like JJJ extending and the current trend of players seemingly choosing to avoid direct free agency, I don't know what options they'll have. It seems like Giannis, Luka or bust at this point.

Devin at the 3 instead of Castle is going to be a disaster on defense. He has spent his entire career showing that he is not big enough strong enough or athletic enough to not only play defense at the 3 but he also can't generate any offense against them except long 2's.

Castle loses all his size strength athleticism advantages at the 3 but he has to play it if Devin is starting. He has to play the 2

Logicaly Champ should start at the 3 but the next logical thing the Spurs do will be the first one in a long time so not holding my breath.

[poopbox]

Why are people so high on Yabusele? He can shoot but is also a complete sieve on defense. Due to his size he can pretty much only play power forward. 76ers were awful when he wasn't on the floor and a little less awful when he was. I guess the thinking is he is always paired with Kornet or Victor to protect him defensively?

[poopbox]

So let’s say this is pretty much the end of the offseason. We add 1-2 more vet min guys (presumably who won’t get more than 10 mpg) + give Minix/Ingram 2-way deals and call it a day. Let’s ignore potential Fox/Soxhan extensions for now…

How would you guys grade the offseason? It would feel pretty bittersweet to me. On one hand, Harper and Bryant in the draft + Kornet in FA are all A+ moves that I’m very excited about. But it just feels so gross bringing back every single one of Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes/Wesley/Branham. I never seriously expected them to get rid of the majority of those guys in one offseason (lol RC_Drunkford (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=53010) ) but I really wanted us to at least mix it up some.

I’d probably go with a B. All in all I really don’t think we can complain much: we practically didn’t get to see any of Fox/Wemby so I get that things might look different in the context of adding those 2 guys when they’re healthy. I’d just really like to see the Spurs have a little shorter of a leash with guys who are clearly flawed and don’t show much improvement for multiple years.

As a stand alone offseason it would be fine as Kornet is exactly what we need. However several teams in the West have gotten significantly better. Wemby, Fox, and Harper are going to have to be great together to close the gap, but that was always going to be the case. I had the Spurs penciled in for a playoff spot, but really the only spot up for grabs might be the Warriors and that's only if they don't get Hartford or some other decent big.

The objective of the off season is not to just make your team better but make your team better than other teams on paper. Spurs most certainly haven't done the second part.

[SpursFan86]

Why are people so high on Yabusele? He can shoot but is also a complete sieve on defense. Due to his size he can pretty much only play power forward. 76ers were awful when he wasn't on the floor and a little less awful when he was. I guess the thinking is he is always paired with Kornet or Victor to protect him defensively?

I don’t think anyone is claiming he would transform the roster, and we’re talking about bringing him on for something like 2 years/8MM total. He’s just a PF that can actually shoot and he’s a better defender than Keldon or Barnes IMO. I have no interest at all in bringing him on if the Spurs want to play him at the 5. But at his natural PF position paired next to Wemby/Kornet I don’t think he’d be some major defensive liability.

Won’t be throwing any parties if we land him, but it’s a fine addition. Would rather us consolidate and pick up an actual solid starting PF but that seems unlikely at this point.

[ace3g]

Why are people so high on Yabusele? He can shoot but is also a complete sieve on defense. Due to his size he can pretty much only play power forward. 76ers were awful when he wasn't on the floor and a little less awful when he was. I guess the thinking is he is always paired with Kornet or Victor to protect him defensively?

He plays well with Wemby.

[Dex]

He plays well with Wemby.

Which may just be the...ace ;)....up the Spurs sleeve here.

Denver can probably offer the better deal, but Yabu may be willing to take less for a chance to play with his fellow Frenchman and also probably has better opportunity for playing time with Spurs.

The question is...how much is "less"? The fact that he is still unsigned signals Denver hasn't thrown some crazy offer at him yet.

[TimDunkem]

Always the same shit on ST.

Some ST'ers: "We like this guy! We or any other team would improve slightly if we signed this solid role player!

Usual suspects with contrarian strawman take to show everyone how awesome their ball takes are: "DuRR y r people so high on dis guy?! He isn't perfect in every meaningful category n so he aint movin' da needle!"

You know sometimes it's just necessary to build out your roster, and accept you're not going to get an all star everytime.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I thought Duncan Robinson was just an idiot for opting out of his $20 million last year of his contract. Only $10 million was guaranteed so he bet on himself thinking he could get $10 million a year somewhere else. I don’t dislike him but I don’t see why we would sign him other than a vet presence. Clearly he still wants to play and be a defensive traffic cone for some team. He is a progress stopper for one of the younger players. I prefer minutes going to the young wings we have.

If he had $10 million guaranteed he should have forced Miami to waive him and collect his $10 million then go sign with another team. Otherwise he collects his $20 million. The guaranteed money deadline is almost always before the season starts. What am I missing?

[onechance87]

Which may just be the...ace ;)....up the Spurs sleeve here.

Denver can probably offer the better deal, but Yabu may be willing to take less for a chance to play with his fellow Frenchman and also probably has better opportunity for playing time with Spurs.

The question is...how much is "less"? The fact that he is still unsigned signals Denver hasn't thrown some crazy offer at him yet.

Im sure denver not gonna throw the full mle at him.Im sure they learned not to spend poorly again.It looks like alot of teams are learning
not to overspend.Tho yabu would fit nicely with jokic.But could fit nicely with wemby as well.

[Guru of Nothing]

As a stand alone offseason it would be fine as Kornet is exactly what we need. However several teams in the West have gotten significantly better. Wemby, Fox, and Harper are going to have to be great together to close the gap, but that was always going to be the case. I had the Spurs penciled in for a playoff spot, but really the only spot up for grabs might be the Warriors and that's only if they don't get Hartford or some other decent big.

The objective of the off season is not to just make your team better but make your team better than other teams on paper. Spurs most certainly haven't done the second part.

Strong disagree on looking better on paper. That's for the Lakers and Suns.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
BREAKING: NBA MVP Shai Gilgeous-Alexander has agreed to a four-year, $285 million super maximum contract extension with the championship Oklahoma City Thunder through 2030-31, sources tell ESPN. This is now the richest annual salary for a player in league history.

[BatManu20]

SGA agrees to 4-yr/$285M Super Max with OKc. Largest contract in NBA history. Wild.

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[Mal]

Goood, OKC is not taking discounts, meaning 2nd apron will kill them eventually

[Dverde]

OKC should pay SGA whatever he wants, however he wants. Glad to see he is happy in a small market.

[ace3g]

Jake Fischer JakeLFischer
·
3m
Sacramento’s unfinished point guard business, and the many teams with interest in Al Horford and Guerschon Yabusele, seem to be the current pivot points at the top of the market this second morning of free agency.

[Ariel]

Goood, OKC is not taking discounts, meaning 2nd apron will kill them eventually
They are (Jaylin Williams, Ajay Mitchell, Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah Joe, etc), just not with the reigning MVP.

[SpursFan86]

1940035355991757278

Not exactly breaking news here but it’s been a quiet morning. Still holding out hope we do something here.

[poopbox]

Strong disagree on looking better on paper. That's for the Lakers and Suns.

I mean before you can look better on the court you got to look better on paper.

Are their teams who look better on paper but then play worse on the court? Sure, but not many.

Are their teams who look worse on paper but play better on the court? Sure, but not many.

[poopbox]

1940035355991757278

Not exactly breaking news here but it’s been a quiet morning. Still holding out hope we do something here.

Would love for them to get Collins but it's not happening. He would cut into pet cat Sochan minutes and it's clear the Spurs are trying to clear the deck for him to soak up most of the pf minutes.

[Ariel]

Yabusele on a cheap/short term contract, sure. Yabusele on a Kornet deal through S&T, hell no, just sign Larry Nance Jr instead.

[BatManu20]

Alton sucks but I'm still hoping he winds up in Milwaukee. Fuck the lakers.


The Lakers and Bucks are battling over Deandre Ayton in free agency, per @DanWoikeSports (https://x.com/DanWoikeSports)

Both destinations would provide Ayton the opportunity to start and play alongside a top star player.

[BatManu20]

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Not exactly breaking news here but it’s been a quiet morning. Still holding out hope we do something here.

https://media.tenor.com/qu21zSfsejEAAAAM/endgame-avengers.gif

[Mugen]

Pretty good year for SGA tbh

[HankChinaski]

Yabusele on a cheap/short term contract, sure. Yabusele on a Kornet deal through S&T, hell no, just sign Larry Nance Jr instead.

I was wondering about this too Larry Nance Jr as an alternative

[ace3g]

Grr

Shams Charania
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Free agent center Guerschon Yabusele has agreed to a two-year, $12 million contract with the New York Knicks, plus a player option, sources tell ESPN. The Knicks negotiated the new deal with agents Olivier Mazet and Richie Felder for the big man on Tuesday.

[Guru of Nothing]

Yabusele off the board - excitement ramps back up.

[RC_Drunkford]

There goes Spurstalk’s favorite target

[RC_Drunkford]

Myles Turner to the Bucks????

[Degoat]

I would have like Yabusele but there is t any playing time behind Barnes/Sochan

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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BREAKING: Free agent center Myles Turner has agreed to a four-year, $107 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, plus a player option for year four in 2028-29 and a full 15% trade kicker, sources tell ESPN. Stunner

[BatManu20]

Wow Turner to the Bucks is random as shit. Guess the Pacers didn't want to pay into the luxury tax to keep Turner. Great get for Giannis and Milwaukee though.

[cutewizard]

Yabusele to the Knicks?

[LakerHater]

Want really high on yabusele, thank God he's gone

[Degoat]

That was not on my bingo card lol Good for the bucks

[NASpurs]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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BREAKING: Free agent center Myles Turner has agreed to a four-year, $107 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, plus a player option for year four in 2028-29 and a full 15% trade kicker, sources tell ESPN. Stunner

Wow pretty surprising for sure

[mystargtr34]

Fuck I was sure Yabu was on his way. Maybe he wanted New York. Surely Spurs would have offered the BAE at 2/$10M or the rest of the MLE which could have gone to 3/$15M.

Ah well.

[SpursFan86]

2/12MM for Yabusele is on the high end, don't mind losing him at that cost.

Maybe this means the Spurs are truly looking for a starting PF like Collins? Wishful thinking :lol

[Seventyniner]

Hadn't there been an announcement of a Myles Turner extension with the Pacers during the Finals? What happened?

[RC_Drunkford]

Looks like there are some issues between Myles Turner and Indiana regarding his extension

I guess Ayton goes to the Lakers then

[mystargtr34]

“We like what we have” PopGIF

[szkorhetz]

Wow pretty surprising for sure
How do they have cap space with Giannis and Lillard?

[ace3g]

Sam Quinn SamQuinnCBS
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The ripple effects here are potentially significant.

The Pacers are suddenly in the center market. They maxed Deandre Ayton in restricted free agency in 2022. They have their full MLE left over. The Lakers spent $6 million of theirs on LaRavia. This could cost them their big.

[RC_Drunkford]

Hadn't there been an announcement of a Myles Turner extension with the Pacers during the Finals? What happened?

they didn’t want to pay him and get in the luxury tax since Haliburton is out for the season. I didn’t know the Bucks have that kind of cap space

[Mr. Body]

Pacers finally getting Ayton and Lakers getting nothing would be wild.

[Degoat]

Sheeesh, yall gonna disagree with me but this is why the spurs say the we like what we have lol this 1st and 2nd Apron terrifies teams to spend money. Pacers make the finals and just bail out on their team is wild, I know Halliburton hurts but geez

[mystargtr34]

Feels like the Lakers will get Collins via trade and Ayton as FA. Just a gut feel could be wrong.

[RC_Drunkford]

That has to be a sign and trade. They don’t have the cap space with Dame, Giannis and Kuzma

*edit: oh shit they waived Dame

[HankChinaski]

they didn’t want to pay him and get in the luxury tax since Haliburton is out for the season. I didn’t know the Bucks have that kind of cap space
Wonder if the BroLo signing opened up the space to offer the contract

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Just in: The Milwaukee Bucks are waiving Damian Lillard and stretching the remaining $113 million on his contract in order to acquire Myles Turner, sources tell ESPN. Lillard's two seasons in Milwaukee come to an end as he rehabilitates a torn Achilles tendon.

[NASpurs]

That has to be a sign and trade. They don’t have the cap space with Dame, Giannis and Kuzma

It's our turn to shine as the third team and offering or receiving second round picks.

[NASpurs]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Just in: The Milwaukee Bucks are waiving Damian Lillard and stretching the remaining $113 million on his contract in order to acquire Myles Turner, sources tell ESPN. Lillard's two seasons in Milwaukee come to an end as he rehabilitates a torn Achilles tendon.

Jesus :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

They are paying 22.5 million for the next 5 years for a player who’s not on the roster. Wild.

[HankChinaski]

Shams Charania Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
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Just in: The Milwaukee Bucks are waiving Damian Lillard and stretching the remaining $113 million on his contract in order to acquire Myles Turner, sources tell ESPN. Lillard's two seasons in Milwaukee come to an end as he rehabilitates a torn Achilles tendon.

Man didn't thst guy play through injury which caused the Achilles tear? That is rough but dame still gets his money

[Mnky]

Turner going to the Bucks makes the bucks a safer bet with Giannis staying.

Think that opens the Spurs to be a little more aggressive with Collins. Huge fan of Sochan, but how expensive his camp believes he is does impact a move like Collins. Fits the Fox and kornet timeline. Wants to sign long term with his next deal from what he has said.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Whoa Bucks you idiots.

Spurs better keep their powder dry. Giannis will be on the market soon.

[Mr. Body]

Whoa Bucks you idiots.

Spurs better keep their powder dry. Giannis will be on the market soon.

The opposite

[Davidicus]

Fuckin A

[BatManu20]

Dame just got waived.


The Milwaukee Bucks are waiving Damian Lillard and stretching the remaining $113 million on his contract to acquire Myles Turner, per
@ShamsCharania (https://x.com/ShamsCharania)
His run in Milwaukee is over.

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[vy65]

B:lolcks

[Mugen]

Finally some spiciness tbh

[Mugen]

id want no part of late 30s Dame coming off an achilles tear, good move by Milwaukee tbh.

[Dverde]

Do the Bucks know this isn’t fantasy basketball GM app?

[Chinook]

Glad to see Lillard out on his ass. Couldn't've happened to a better guy.

[Ddm5]

I really think we never had plans for Yabusele because even last year we didn't go for him when he was trying to come back to the NBA.

[BackHome]

Damn - Buck got the biggest big man tandem in the NBA right now. If I was them would try and work out a trade with Chicago to get Colby White.

[Degoat]

Is Turner even that much better than Brook Lopez? The age difference is the big, but if both were the same age I’d take Lopez Lol

[LeBowen]

Damn, massive L for the Pacers.
I wonder if they pivot towards a soft rebuild.

I'd offer those Hawks picks and Devin+Keldon for Siakam, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Did not have Lillard getting waived so they could sign Turner on my bingo card


Also fuck the Knicks

[Raven]

SGA contract is absolutely wild

[timtonymanu]

That’s a good pickup for the Bucks. Crazy how 3 out of the last 4 teams that represented the Finals the last two years have already gutted their teams.

[Dverde]

Only gets better if the Pacers sign Ayton to leave the Lakers with no center FA :lol

[LeBowen]

Turner, the longest tenured Pacer, made it known he wished to remain in Indiana. Since the Game 7 exit, Turner’s reps pushed to get a deal done. Ultimately, Indiana’s aversion to the tax, which grew after Tyrese Haliburton’s injury, allowed Bucks to get the new franchise center.

And then people wonder why most small market teams fail.

[Dex]

OKC should pay SGA whatever he wants, however he wants. Glad to see he is happy in a small market.

MVP, Finals MVP, and champ...yeah, he deserves to be maxed.

But still, paying ANY single player $71M+ a year...sheesh. Talk about breaking your books.

[Dverde]

Rui for Zach Collins works in the trade machine :lol

[LeBowen]

Bucks will have $22M dead money over the next 5 years, yikes.

[spurraider21]

good morning guys

did i miss anything interesting?

[Dverde]

Bucks will have $22M dead money over the next 5 years, yikes.

Very appropriate considering it’s Bobby Bonilla day. Maybe they can stretch it for Dame to get checks until 2045 :lol

[Mr. Body]

Is Turner even that much better than Brook Lopez? The age difference is the big, but if both were the same age I’d take Lopez Lol

Yeah at this point he's much better

[BatManu20]

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[Em-City]

Quick, kick the tyres on nesmith!

[Leetonidas]

Just trade that bum Vassell for Collins and call it an offseason

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1940072767476703596

This guy is such a bad mouthpiece.

[thiste]

Just trade that bum Vassell for Collins and call it an offseason

No one's interested in Vassell's contract.

[spurraider21]

lol Haynes putting out that Giannis is not happy with lillard getting waived

im about 400% sure gainnis was all for the move but he has to put something like this out so he doesnt come across as an asshole

only way to prove me wrong is for giannis to demand a trade

[ginobilized]

I can honestly say I didn't see this Bucks/Pacers move coming

Siakam would be a phenomenal addition to about any team, but, especially the Spurs.
Pacers have several players that would improve our roster.

The coachless Knicks were an odd choice for Yabusele for $6m/yr

[Mr. Body]

Just trade that bum Vassell for Collins and call it an offseason

Man I can't wait for SpursTalk to bitch constantly about John Collins.

[mystargtr34]

Chris Haynes reporting Giannis isn’t happy with the Dame news lol. Chris Haynes is useless but he’s obviously being fed that info from Giannis camp.

[SpursFan86]

Giannis “not pleased” with the Bucks’ decision to waive Lillard, per Chris Haynes…

What the fuck? Are they not talking with Giannis before doing these things? :lmao

[Mr. Body]

I can honestly say I didn't see this Bucks/Pacers move coming

Siakam would be a phenomenal addition to about any team, but, especially the Spurs.
Pacers have several players that would improve our roster.

The coaches Knicks were an odd choice for Yabusele for $6m/yr

Ppl need to get to speed with the fact that the Fox addition means no more big salaries like that can be added. It's not going to happen.

[mo7888]

So Giannis recruited Turner, but is mad the Bucks waived Lillard? OK then...

[Dverde]

I can honestly say I didn't see this Bucks/Pacers move coming

Siakam would be a phenomenal addition to about any team, but, especially the Spurs.
Pacers have several players that would improve our roster.

The coaches Knicks were an odd choice for Yabusele for $6m/yr

Knicks head coach was very high on Yabusele :lol Maybe he can play when they sit KAT at crunch time.

[Leetonidas]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1940072767476703596

This guy is such a bad mouthpiece.

:lol how else were they supposed to get Turner? Giannis trying to save face tbh

[Mr. Body]

So Giannis recruited Turner, but is mad the Bucks waived Lillard? OK then...

No, he's just saying the right things.

[ginobilized]

Ppl need to get to speed with the fact that the Fox addition means no more big salaries like that can be added. It's not going to happen.

Yes, sir

[vagisil]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Just in: The Milwaukee Bucks are waiving Damian Lillard and stretching the remaining $113 million on his contract in order to acquire Myles Turner, sources tell ESPN. Lillard's two seasons in Milwaukee come to an end as he rehabilitates a torn Achilles tendon.

Dismantled their championship roster for this. I'm glad I'm a spurs fan.

[BatManu20]

Why would Giannis be upset about losing old Dame for a better player when Dame isn't even going to play this season? Agree with spurraider that he's probably just saving face tbh.

[Jordan Jackson]

I don’t think Giannis was ever in play. He just does a good job of putting pressure on his franchise to compete. Plus, the Spurs were never getting him.

Hope Wemby learns to use his power in that manner at some point. Do not let the Spurs brainwash you with that winning with friendship nonsense. You win with talent.

[Leetonidas]

Man I can't wait for SpursTalk to bitch constantly about John Collins.

I don't just want Collins only, I want them to dump Vassell and his shitty deal. Backcourt is crowded and he's too unreliable. Peaked on D as a rookie and he's too small to play the 3 reliably. Shipping him off is best for both sides imho

[Mugen]

Go get Siakam tbh

[BatManu20]

I don't just want Collins only, I want them to dump Vassell and his shitty deal. Backcourt is crowded and he's too unreliable. Peaked on D as a rookie and he's too small to play the 3 reliably. Shipping him off is best for both sides imho

Agreed, though it's not happening. Spurs are giving Vassell a long leash and probably want to keep his contract for now so they can match salaries in a potential future trade for a better player down the road tbh.

[TD 21]

Haynes is well known as Lillard's right hand man, but he's also close with Antetokounmpo.

This is likely PR spin (similar to the Holiday trade), so Antetokounmpo can keep his (perceived) pristine/squeaky clean public image intact.

Despite the fit, unless the Bucks have flexibility to add a credible stopgap PG and/or 3 and D option, I don't get the move.

[LeBowen]

Agreed, though it's not happening. Spurs are giving Vassell a long leash and probably want to keep his contract for now so they can match salaries in a potential future trade for a better player down the road tbh.

Spurs and future salary matching is the equivalent of Lakers and focusing on next year's free agency, tbh.

[baseline bum]

Why are people so high on Yabusele? He can shoot but is also a complete sieve on defense. Due to his size he can pretty much only play power forward. 76ers were awful when he wasn't on the floor and a little less awful when he was. I guess the thinking is he is always paired with Kornet or Victor to protect him defensively?

He'd be cheap and can shoot better than Sochan. We're probably talking Mamu role here, though might as well just keep Mamu for that tbh.