2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[scott]

Yea that facial hair is a felony in a few states. He’s starting to look like that Las Vegas mass shooter.

It's definitely got that "this guy might have a manifesto" type of energy

[RC_Drunkford]

Dames going to be 36 by the time 26-27 season starts coming off an Achilles. He might be done as even a net positive player.

Wolves starting PG Mike Conley would be 39. That's still an upgrade.

[Trueblood]

You guys realize that no one can really "trade for" LeBron the normal way since he has a no trade clause, right?

Does he? I thought I read once that no trade clauses could only be included on contracts that were 4 years or more. LeBron keeps doing the one and one deals so I’m curious if he is even allowed to have one.

[Trueblood]

You guys realize that no one can really "trade for" LeBron the normal way since he has a no trade clause, right?

Just looked it up. I was wrong, he does have one. Good call.

[DPG21920]

Dev + Barnes + a first for LeBron works.

[RC_Drunkford]

Dev + Barnes + a first for LeBron works.

they not getting a first

[vy65]

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It’s really weird to me that Sweeney and now Shamgod (Goat name btw) are leaving Dallas post-Flagg. I get the desire to get more responsibility, but wouldn’t hanging around a “generational” talent like Flagg be a nice resume padder? Seems to me the logical move would be to stick around for a year or two and then parlay that experience into a better job.

This is based on nothing but I keep getting the sense that this is an indictment of either Nico, ownership, or both. But maybe that’s just copium I dunno.

[exstatic]

Dames going to be 36 by the time 26-27 season starts coming off an Achilles. He might be done as even a net positive player.

He’ll be cheap for someone, though. He gets 100% of his contract from MIL, so he can sign minimum anywhere. There’s some thought that he may want to be back on the West coast to be closer to his family.

[scott]

This is based on nothing but I keep getting the sense that this is an indictment of either Nico, ownership, or both. But maybe that’s just copium I dunno.

Baba, when your boss sends a clear signal he's willing to make stupid decisions to screw your co-workers out of $100+ million... it's a good sign you should find a new place to work

[exstatic]

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It’s really weird to me that Sweeney and now Shamgod (Goat name btw) are leaving Dallas post-Flagg. I get the desire to get more responsibility, but wouldn’t hanging around a “generational” talent like Flagg be a nice resume padder? Seems to me the logical move would be to stick around for a year or two and then parlay that experience into a better job.

This is based on nothing but I keep getting the sense that this is an indictment of either Nico, ownership, or both. But maybe that’s just copium I dunno.

I think that’s exactly it. Why would you continue working for such idiots? I also don’t see Flagg as generational. He’s just a clear cut #1 in this draft, but he’s like a white Tatum. He is of a type of player, not a unique like a LeBron or a Wemby.

[heyheymymy]

Lol Lakers

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/omN1dfH5OJrcCIJbgkbN2Sc6DTc=/0x112:832x667/1200x800/filters:focal(0x112:832x667)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/7980853/lakers_si150.0.jpg

[Splits]

JJ Reddick coaching Ayton is going to be must see TV each and every night :popcorn

[mystargtr34]

Looking forward to Ayton turning up late to JJ’s team meetings and not paying attention after an all night gaming session.

[Mr. Body]

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It’s really weird to me that Sweeney and now Shamgod (Goat name btw) are leaving Dallas post-Flagg. I get the desire to get more responsibility, but wouldn’t hanging around a “generational” talent like Flagg be a nice resume padder? Seems to me the logical move would be to stick around for a year or two and then parlay that experience into a better job.

This is based on nothing but I keep getting the sense that this is an indictment of either Nico, ownership, or both. But maybe that’s just copium I dunno.

Ownership. Adelsons might be as bad as Dolan.

[timtonymanu]

Lol Lakers

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The sweetest thing that season was watching them flop all year and then sweeping them in the 1st round

[The Truth #6]

It's definitely got that "this guy might have a manifesto" type of energy

Really? I'm getting more of a "sucking on a chili dog outside the Tastee-Freeze" kind of vibe.

[Ice009]

Ace Bailey rightfully took a lot of flack for following bad advice, but whomever is advising Cooper Flagg on his facial hair also deserves plenty of criticism.

:lol. Maybe it's an age thing? I'm not going to say anything bad about it because I am pretty sure I had the exact same facial hair at his age ;). I would not rock anything like that now, though.

[Dex]

Lol Lakers

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/omN1dfH5OJrcCIJbgkbN2Sc6DTc=/0x112:832x667/1200x800/filters:focal(0x112:832x667)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/7980853/lakers_si150.0.jpg

I have a ton of respect for Nash...but man, that had to be the biggest FU as he ended his playing career to be swept in the first round by the Spurs of all teams

[ace3g]

Brett Siegel BrettSiegelNBA
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There have been on going talks of what would be a historic 7-team trade involving the Rockets acquiring Kevin Durant, via FredKatz
and KellyIko
.

Phoenix Suns
Houston Rockets
Atlanta Hawks
Brooklyn Nets
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota Timberwolves


Fred Katz FredKatz
The Rockets and Suns are working on expanding the Kevin Durant trade into a deal that would involve a league-record seven teams.

No trade is imminent, but here’s what we know about negotiations so far: https://nytimes.com/athletic/live-blogs/nba-free-agency-2025-offseason-trade-rumors-news/fnwUjcuMFEqi/

[scott]

Brian Wright gotta be smarting at not being able to get in on that

[scott]

But a lot of these trades will find a way to get expanded when the final deals get announced next week... that's why I think people should hold their horses on considering the off-season done for us. Brian may just extract a useful asset out of one of these deals for essentially free

[BatManu20]

Who's gonna tell him

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[Kindergarten Cop]

Who's gonna tell him

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Is it out of the realm of possibility that he could start for either Phoenix or even Milwaukee?

[PhantomDashCam]

I believe it was Rudy T that said: "The Hardest thing in the NBA is to coach an aging Superstar".
Chris P - wants to be near family in LA, wants a starting role...Sacramento, sign this man ASAP. You know you want to.

[Ice009]

Wow, what is Chris Paul thinking. Darn, he definitely held the team to it last season then. Sounds like it's definite that Mitch couldn't have even benched him even if he wanted to.

[mystargtr34]

Someone forgot to feed the hamster again?

[timtonymanu]

Love Chris Paul for what he did here, but he’s clearly in his Kobe farewell moment where he can’t accept his reality. Go ring chase somewhere off the bench, but no he’s NEEDS to start. Glad he’s not our problem anymore and is still the same diva he’s always been.

[tbdog]

CP3 got 82 starts last season. Pretty big accomplishment. Pelicans need a point. Kings and Suns.

[venitian navigator]

And Milwaukee...

[sfernald]

Brett Siegel Brett (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2535)SiegelNBA
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There have been on going talks of what would be a historic 7-team trade involving the Rockets acquiring Kevin Durant, via Fred (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9739)Katz
and Kelly (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9181)Iko
.

Phoenix Suns
Houston Rockets
Atlanta Hawks
Brooklyn Nets
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota Timberwolves


Fred Katz Fred (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9739)Katz
The Rockets and Suns are working on expanding the Kevin Durant trade into a deal that would involve a league-record seven teams.

No trade is imminent, but here’s what we know about negotiations so far: https://nytimes.com/athletic/live-blogs/nba-free-agency-2025-offseason-trade-rumors-news/fnwUjcuMFEqi/

One Big Beautiful Trade

[RC_Drunkford]

Brett Siegel Brett (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2535)SiegelNBA
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1m
There have been on going talks of what would be a historic 7-team trade involving the Rockets acquiring Kevin Durant, via Fred (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9739)Katz
and Kelly (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9181)Iko
.

Phoenix Suns
Houston Rockets
Atlanta Hawks
Brooklyn Nets
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota Timberwolves


Fred Katz Fred (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9739)Katz
The Rockets and Suns are working on expanding the Kevin Durant trade into a deal that would involve a league-record seven teams.

No trade is imminent, but here’s what we know about negotiations so far: https://nytimes.com/athletic/live-blogs/nba-free-agency-2025-offseason-trade-rumors-news/fnwUjcuMFEqi/

I guess that means LeBron really wants to join the Warriors. Would be hilarious. A bunch of guys in their late 30s/early 40s thinking they can contend, only to get run off the floor by all the young teams. I would love to see that.

[kobyz]

Any chance to jump in on the Grimes situation for a s& t??

[cutewizard]

i wonder if we should give a chance to Ben Simmons???

What a waste of talent for him not being able to put it all together on the court

he should contact the mental coach of chess grandmaster gukesh of India

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znGYLvDpKjQ

[Splits]

i wonder if we should give a chance to Ben Simmons???

What a waste of talent for him not being able to put it all together on the court

he should contact the mental coach of chess grandmaster gukesh of India

I saw some practice videos of him shooting and his stroke looks smooooooooooth (like, Sochan smoooooooooth)

[poopbox]

Luka and Ayton might be the most cry baby team in nba history :lol

Ayton having to be bought out at 26 on a max contract is insane :lol

Has anybody that young ever been bought out?

[Dex]

Is it out of the realm of possibility that he could start for either Phoenix or even Milwaukee?

CP3 wants to be a starter, but also wants to be close to his family (which he said several times with the Spurs last season). So he's already pushed back against the Milwaukee thing for the family reason.

I get him wanting both things, but sometimes you don't get what you want...unless the Clippers or Lakers feel like he fits as a starting PG (and the Clippers seem like a longshot since he's already clashed with Harden in the past).

[R. DeMurre]

I saw this headline, and I thought I'd missed out on the Spurs signing Boucher, but it's just a piece about the possibility: https://airalamo.com/raptors-just-gifted-spurs-perfect-big-to-propel-them-into-playoffs-boucher

[bdictjames]

i wonder if we should give a chance to Ben Simmons???

What a waste of talent for him not being able to put it all together on the court

he should contact the mental coach of chess grandmaster gukesh of India
Current Ben Simmons is who he is.

A player who relied on his athleticism, who now has a bad back, has less than half of said athleticism, and still cannot shoot.

I don't want Vic or the rest of the team to get bad habits, so no.

[TimmyBuckets]

Amir Coffee? Man I would love a shooter somehow.

[LeBowen]

Amir Coffee? Man I would love a shooter somehow.

We don't have any minutes left. Even if we get rid of Keldon, we still don't have enough minutes for everyone.

[spurraider21]

We don't have any minutes left. Even if we get rid of Keldon, we still don't have enough minutes for everyone.
nobody has rotation minutes for 15 players, yet roster sizes are 15. gotta fill them somehow. injuries happen. one offseason from now, we will have branham/wesley/barnes hit free agency. we dont have anything interesting in the 2-way pipeline right now. we're not going to have 2 first rounders anymore. coffey is one of the few FAs left who proved they can play. get him on a cheap 2 year deal and its low risk

he cant really defend at all though, kind of just a more realized branham

[Dex]

https://i.imgur.com/lnV3XtR.png

THE MISSING PIECE!!

[scott]

Adam Silver on the phone with Nico Harrison to force Dallas to sign McClung so that they can roll out their pet white boy for more dunk contest gimmicks.

"You fucking owe me, Nico"

[FlAVaK]

Rockets waive Landale

[pad300]

Rockets waive Landale

I do think we need a 3ed C on the bench, and Landale would be quite acceptable...

[BatManu20]

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[Chillen]

He should just go back to Suns and retire. I loved him as a Spur but he is not going to start.

[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

Hmmm

Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
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1m
Jonas Valanciunas has a $10.4M guaranteed contract with the Sacramento Kings, with a reported trade to the Denver Nuggets in the works, for this season. He then has a $10M non-guaranteed contract for the 2026-27 season.

This will need to involve some form of buyout for JV.
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Donatas Urbonas
@Urbodo
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18m
Jonas Valanciunas is nearing a stunning EuroLeague move and exiting the NBA.

Per BasketNews sources, Valanciunas was lured by Panathinaikos' multi-year offer

[BatManu20]

Oh shit.

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[LeBowen]

Nuggets are kind of fucked, tbh.
Saric back on the books.

[scott]

And with that, the Spurs are liberated from being continually skull fucked by Big Daddy Val.

[RC_Drunkford]

any chance Wemby doesn't win DPOY or make All-NBA?

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[Mr. Body]

I'd leave the country, too, tbh, no idea if you're gonna wind up in an everglades concentration camp getting murdered by some MAGA goons for fun.

[Ice009]

He should just go back to Suns and retire. I loved him as a Spur but he is not going to start.

Who should retire?

[exstatic]

I saw this headline, and I thought I'd missed out on the Spurs signing Boucher, but it's just a piece about the possibility: https://airalamo.com/raptors-just-gifted-spurs-perfect-big-to-propel-them-into-playoffs-boucher

I don’t see it. He’s been a Spur by technicality before. They kept him on the roster from February until training camp, looking for some opportunity. They then waived him. I don’t recall any roster spot shortage. They never had an introductory presser. Not even a tweet. It’s obvious that they had no interest in him. I think I recall some disciplinary issues with him in Toronto. Maybe they don’t consider him Spurs material.

[TD 21]

Yikes. Valanciunas is in decline and wasn't a great fit, but was still a definite rotational player, something they haven't had behind Jokic in ages.

The C market is barren of that at this point, save for Wagner (presumed he'll be re-signing with the Magic, but who knows). The best of the rest: Achiuwa, Hayes, Bryant, Bagley III, Bassey, Landale.

[Seventyniner]

any chance Wemby doesn't win DPOY or make All-NBA?

Yes, if he misses at least 18 games and is ineligible. I don't know what would happen if he does miss that many games, doesn't sign next summer, and then does hit one of those thresholders in 2026-2027. I think he could sign the full 5/326 then but I defer to those who actually know.

[exstatic]

Yes, if he misses at least 18 games and is ineligible. I don't know what would happen if he does miss that many games, doesn't sign next summer, and then does hit one of those thresholders in 2026-2027. I think he could sign the full 5/326 then but I defer to those who actually know.

I think you can put the escalator clause in the extension that bumps it to a SuperMax if he hits the threshold in year 4, after he signs the extension post year three.

[Maddog]

Wow, what is Chris Paul thinking. Darn, he definitely held the team to it last season then. Sounds like it's definite that Mitch couldn't have even benched him even if he wanted to.
It was awkward after the Fox trade.
the perfect scenario was for CP3 to come off the beach.

I suspect it was a little of CP3 vanity and the Spurs not wanting to sort of thank him

[tonight...you]

Who should retire?
Connecting the dots I believe he's referring to CP3.

[scott]

I don’t see it. He’s been a Spur by technicality before. They kept him on the roster from February until training camp, looking for some opportunity. They then waived him. I don’t recall any roster spot shortage. They never had an introductory presser. Not even a tweet. It’s obvious that they had no interest in him. I think I recall some disciplinary issues with him in Toronto. Maybe they don’t consider him Spurs material.

I am nearly 100% confident Chris Boucher has never been on the Spurs roster. You may be confusing him for someone else. Fellow Canadian and former Raptor Khem Birch perhaps?

Have never heard of any disciplinary issues with Chris Boucher, though Raptor fans aren't very high on his BBIQ

[Chinook]

Yikes. Valanciunas is in decline and wasn't a great fit, but was still a definite rotational player, something they haven't had behind Jokic in ages.

The C market is barren of that at this point, save for Wagner (presumed he'll be re-signing with the Magic, but who knows). The best of the rest: Achiuwa, Hayes, Bryant, Bagley III, Bassey, Landale.

It makes sense why the Spurs dove on Kornet like he was a star. They should go ahead and lock in Bismack as their third center so they don't have to hope he's there if injury strikes.

[cutewizard]

Lakers with all the losers lol

[cutewizard]

Add Westbrook to the Lakers for spice lol

[Leetonidas]

any chance Wemby doesn't win DPOY or make All-NBA?

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Only chance is if he plays 64 games or less otherwise he's a lock for at least two of those awards

[RC_Drunkford]

Only chance is if he plays 64 games or less otherwise he's a lock for at least two of those awards

yeah I think so too. Would be heist to extend him on a 25% max tbh

[Seventyniner]

It makes sense why the Spurs dove on Kornet like he was a star. They should go ahead and lock in Bismack as their third center so they don't have to hope he's there if injury strikes.

It's like those years when the TE position was a total wasteland in fantasy football outside of the #1 guy, usually Kelce. He commanded a draft premium due to relative value.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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12m
The New Orleans Pelicans have waived Antonio Reeves, league sources told Hoopshype
. The 24-year-old guard averaged 6.9 points on 45.6% shooting from the field and 39.5% from 3-point range in 44 games for the Pelicans last season. In his last 10 games, he averaged 15.4 points.

[RC_Drunkford]

this is the most mediocre mega-trade ever :lol

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BREAKING: The 7-team trade has officially been announced and will be finalized on July 6th, this is a breaking record for the NBA, per @BleacherReport (https://x.com/BleacherReport)
(Record: Most teams involved in a trade package) Trade Details:

Hawks receive: 2031 2nd Round Pick Swap (from HOU) Cash Considerations (from HOU) TPE for Capela
Nets receive: 2026 2nd Round Pick (from HOU) 2030 2nd Round Pick (from HOU)
Warriors receive: Rights to Alex Toohey (from PHX) Rights to Jahmai Mashack (from HOU)
Rockets receive: Kevin Durant ($54,708,609) (from PHX) Clint Capela ($6,825,397) (s/t) (from ATL)
Lakers receive: Rights to Adou Thiero (from BKN)
Timberwolves receive: Rights to Rocco Zikarsky (from LAL) 2026 2nd Round Pick (from PHX) 2032 2nd Round Pick (from PHX) Cash Considerations (from LAL) TPE for NAW (1/2 of Starting Salary)
Suns receive: Jalen Green ($33,584,499) (from HOU) Dillon Brooks ($21,124,110) (from HOU) Rights to Khaman Maluach (from HOU) Rights to Rasheer Fleming (from MIN) Rights to Koby Brea (from GSW) 2026 2nd Round Pick (from HOU) 2032 2nd Round Pick (from HOU)

[Chinook]

All things considered, the Suns have done okay this off-season. The situation between Williams and Maluach is weird, but they're pretty deep. They just need to take the time to actually build their team again rather than trying to chase a window that simply isn't there anymore.

[Mr. Body]

Wow, that's really boring.

[Mr. Body]

All things considered, the Suns have done okay this off-season. The situation between Williams and Maluach is weird, but they're pretty deep. They just need to take the time to actually build their team again rather than trying to chase a window that simply isn't there anymore.

A couple more decent players and they'll defend their picks fairly well.

[SpursGenius]

any chance Wemby doesn't win DPOY or make All-NBA?

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so basically Fox and Wemby together will be 110 million minimum of the 290 mill cap in 2026. Forget any bigtime free agent. But im fine with it. Harper and Castle just need to be all stars. Build from within.

[spurs10]

So I reckon our off season is done. Almost an A plus off season, but minus a 3&D starter.

[SpursGenius]

this is the most mediocre mega-trade ever :lol

1940883255223636373

BREAKING: The 7-team trade has officially been announced and will be finalized on July 6th, this is a breaking record for the NBA, per @BleacherReport (https://x.com/BleacherReport)
(Record: Most teams involved in a trade package) Trade Details:

Hawks receive: 2031 2nd Round Pick Swap (from HOU) Cash Considerations (from HOU) TPE for Capela
Nets receive: 2026 2nd Round Pick (from HOU) 2030 2nd Round Pick (from HOU)
Warriors receive: Rights to Alex Toohey (from PHX) Rights to Jahmai Mashack (from HOU)
Rockets receive: Kevin Durant ($54,708,609) (from PHX) Clint Capela ($6,825,397) (s/t) (from ATL)
Lakers receive: Rights to Adou Thiero (from BKN)
Timberwolves receive: Rights to Rocco Zikarsky (from LAL) 2026 2nd Round Pick (from PHX) 2032 2nd Round Pick (from PHX) Cash Considerations (from LAL) TPE for NAW (1/2 of Starting Salary)
Suns receive: Jalen Green ($33,584,499) (from HOU) Dillon Brooks ($21,124,110) (from HOU) Rights to Khaman Maluach (from HOU) Rights to Rasheer Fleming (from MIN) Rights to Koby Brea (from GSW) 2026 2nd Round Pick (from HOU) 2032 2nd Round Pick (from HOU)
Suns did great in this trade.

[spurraider21]

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[OldMan88]

:sleep

[Leetonidas]

So I reckon our off season is done. Almost an A plus off season, but minus a 3&D starter.

Probably but the moratorium isn't even over yet, barely 3 days into free agency. Still tons of time

[Mr. Body]

Eh, there's still unfinished business floating around. No one expected the DeRoz/Barnes stuff last summer. If the Spurs stop here, that's fine with me, but there's still Kuminga and some other crap that's being discussed in the league.

[scott]

The most interesting part of this trade (as in things that weren't known before) is the TPE's generate for ATL. It's weird that NAW is listed as generating a TPE for MIN but he's not listed as an incoming player for ATL in the summary above... but long story short it looks like maybe ATL was able to fit NAW into an existing TPE, sign Kennard with the MLE and generate a new TPE for Capela... leaving some opportunity for ATL to continue to be active if they so desire

[LeBowen]

Probably but the moratorium isn't even over yet, barely 3 days into free agency. Still tons of time

All the free agents that we could've been interested in are gone.
It seems that there's no real interest in John Collins or PJ Washington from our side, I can't really see anything relevant happening.

We don't really need more bench pieces, the best we could do is upgrading Keldon and/or Devin into a better 3-D wing starter.

I can't really think of anything other than calling Joe Dumars and convincing him he needs those Hawks picks to even things out.
If there's any chance of upgrading Devin into Murphy with those Hawks picks, it needs to be done.

[scott]

Eh, there's still unfinished business floating around. No one expected the DeRoz/Barnes stuff last summer. If the Spurs stop here, that's fine with me, but there's still Kuminga and some other crap that's being discussed in the league.

Yep, this is what I keep saying. Wright has proven masterful at getting in on trades headlined by other teams, picking up useful pieces on the periphery for, essentially, free. My hope is that in addition to the things talked about (Kuminga, DDR) that maybe there are some other big, unexpected moves that give us an opportunity to pick off some useful scraps. The bigger the deal, the more opportunity for real pieces to be shaken lose.

[RC_Drunkford]

so basically Fox and Wemby together will be 110 million minimum of the 290 mill cap in 2026. Forget any bigtime free agent. But im fine with it. Harper and Castle just need to be all stars. Build from within.

I heard the cap will be at 167 million in 2026. You got the numbers wrong. Would be 2027 not 2026. Still the cap won't be 290 million then either.

[Mr. Body]

All the free agents that we could've been interested in are gone.
It seems that there's no real interest in John Collins or PJ Washington from our side, I can't really see anything relevant happening.

We don't really need more bench pieces, the best we could do is upgrading Keldon and/or Devin into a better 3-D wing starter.

I can't really think of anything other than calling Joe Dumars and convincing him he needs those Hawks picks to even things out.
If there's any chance of upgrading Devin into Murphy with those Hawks picks, it needs to be done.

I don't think trying to get Washington from Dallas is out of bounds at this point, even if unlikely. The LeBron thing is still lingering out there. I do think there's a fairly strong chance he gets moved or something. That team fucking sucks and he's got to know it.

Collins is a no-go, IMO.

If I have any feeling, it's that the Spurs are sitting around and talking about getting involved if they can be opportunistic, like they have before. If nothing happens, they'll maybe pull in big man depth like Landale and call it.

[RC_Drunkford]

All the free agents that we could've been interested in are gone.
It seems that there's no real interest in John Collins or PJ Washington from our side, I can't really see anything relevant happening.

We don't really need more bench pieces, the best we could do is upgrading Keldon and/or Devin into a better 3-D wing starter.

I can't really think of anything other than calling Joe Dumars and convincing him he needs those Hawks picks to even things out.
If there's any chance of upgrading Devin into Murphy with those Hawks picks, it needs to be done.

I think first round picks will only be on the table next season. They probably want to get to the playoffs, lose and see what the missing pieces are. Even though it's cleary 2 forwards.

[LeBowen]

If nothing happens, they'll maybe pull in big man depth like Landale and call it.

We need a third stringer regardless, I'd personally prefer getting another reclamation project like Bassey. High energy young guy that has a lot to prove.

[RC_Drunkford]

did y'all say 3 and D? The legend returns...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu4HEJ-WgAAansF?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[tonight...you]

any chance Wemby doesn't win DPOY or make All-NBA?

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If he doesn't something went very wrong and I'd rather not root for that just to be cheap.

[spurraider21]

The most interesting part of this trade (as in things that weren't known before) is the TPE's generate for ATL. It's weird that NAW is listed as generating a TPE for MIN but he's not listed as an incoming player for ATL in the summary above... but long story short it looks like maybe ATL was able to fit NAW into an existing TPE, sign Kennard with the MLE and generate a new TPE for Capela... leaving some opportunity for ATL to continue to be active if they so desire
hawks had 25mil trade exception from Murray. KP's salary was too big to fit there. they used that for NAW

[LeBowen]

I just hope Luka doesn't extend with the Lakers right away, they'd be in full panic mode all season long. :lol
He really has no incentive to stay there with Miami having a clean cap situation with Bam/Ware/Herro as the only players on the roster and all but one of their picks.

[Robz4000]

Damn, ATL's front office is killing it.

[CGD]

Oh shit.

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This feels like Denver-Val ran a con on SAC. Val will probably give back all of the guaranteed $$, be made whole by the Greek team, while DEN moves off Saric and generates additional cap savings. They’ll probably just reup Jordan.

And here we thought DEN’s management wasn’t cheap, lol.

[spurraider21]

good re-signing by the Lakers. hayes is a solid backup big who does the "big man" things well even if he doesnt really have any versatility

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[BatManu20]

Wut

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[spurraider21]

de facto no trade clause given its a 1 year deal and they had his early bird rights

[Mr. Body]

Jaxson Hayes fucking sucks and was practically unplayable... but he's a backup they didn't have.

[mystargtr34]

As a backup Hayes is fine imo. Zach Collins level backup but a backup nonetheless.

Sounds like Horford is going to the Warriors and they’re just waiting on a potential Kuminga sign and trade first.

Good pickup for Warriors if true. Probably solidifies them into the top 7 of the West. Horford is a solid upgrade over Post/Looney/TJD. Unless Curry shows any signs of slowing down then they’re a chance to fall below the Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Gotta root for the Lakers to be good enough to make the playoffs. The NBA gifting them Dybantsa or Boozer is the last thing we need.

[poopbox]

Hayes had to spend the last 2 months listening to how the lakers don't have any good big men like he wasn't the starting center, only for him to have to re sign for literally the least amount of money he could make.

People forget this dude was a top 10 pick. His rookie contract is probably going to be the biggest contract he ever signs.

[TimmyBuckets]

Looks more and more like this is the squad we're running with. I hope Sochan gets that 28% up to at least 33%. If Keldon somehow starts getting 36%+ that would be amazing too, and his lack of D wouldn't matter as much. Regardless, Fox and Wemby combined is gonna be sick. Looks like we're probably not getting any sharpshooters from FA or trade. Man, giving up Mamu sucks for that 3pt% reason alone, not to mention is IQ.

[Strategic]

And with that, the Spurs are liberated from being continually skull fucked by Big Daddy Val.
No shit man! Too bad the Spurs can’t give him a chance to suit up.

[Ice009]

So why does Jonas Valanciunas not want to play for Denver?

[Dex]

good re-signing by the Lakers. hayes is a solid backup big who does the "big man" things well even if he doesnt really have any versatility

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Lakers got their man!!

No, they like...literally got the guy they had already last season and refused to play.

I'm sure LeBron is happy about the "upgrades" this summer

[HankChinaski]

At this point if Bol Bol stays unsigned wouldn't mind seeing a camp invite or straight up just a one year min contract for depth off the bench.

One of those roster spots where you see if any magic comes out of the bottle that you can just waive or let go at the end of the season

[spurraider21]

nah hayes is fine for what he is. lakers had no options and were forced to thrust him into some full time starting role which made him look worse than he is. he's always been a reasonable rim protector even back with the pelicans. one of those guys that didnt put up blocks but always seemed to be impacting shots.

[spurraider21]

At this point if Bol Bol stays unsigned wouldn't mind seeing a camp invite or straight up just a one year min contract for depth off the bench.

One of those roster spots where you see if any magic comes out of the bottle that you can just waive or let go at the end of the season
i would think this way about bol bol if he had been in the league for 3-4 years. he's played 6 seasons now, will turn 26 at the beginning of the season. there's just no fire there whatsoever.

at least if he was an energy player like mamu i'd say fuck it, let him have the 15th roster spot and you can bring him in occasionally to stir things up. but he's not even that.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent forward Jabari Walker has agreed to a two-way NBA deal with the Philadelphia 76ers, source tells ESPN. Walker spent his first three NBA seasons in Portland, appearing in 188 games.

[Ice009]

i would think this way about bol bol if he had been in the league for 3-4 years. he's played 6 seasons now, will turn 26 at the beginning of the season. there's just no fire there whatsoever.

at least if he was an energy player like mamu i'd say fuck it, let him have the 15th roster spot and you can bring him in occasionally to stir things up. but he's not even that.

Why in the F does Shaq keep banging on about him having skills similar to Victor, acting like he's somewhere near Victor's level.

[Dejounte]

Im going to say this as a low possibility of happening

if CP3 does not find guaranteed minutes anywhere, then he’s coming back to the Spurs with an agreement that he won’t be prioritized and he’ll use it as his farewell tour

[spurraider21]

I don’t see a world where Paul comes back.

we have Fox now. Don’t need an old mentor type other than that. At least guard specific

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[Uriel]

Any predictions here as to where CP3 ultimately signs?

[spurraider21]

Any predictions here as to where CP3 ultimately signs?
Nuggets or Clippers

[Robz4000]

Any predictions here as to where CP3 ultimately signs?

Lakers for Basketball Reasons tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Any predictions here as to where CP3 ultimately signs?

Should be the Nuggets but he will go to one of the LA teams, imo.

[Chillen]

Any predictions here as to where CP3 ultimately signs?

Clippers or Suns.

[John B]

Should be the Nuggets but he will go to one of the LA teams, imo.

I never like great players bouncing from one team to another. DRob, Timmy and Manu were lucky to had played with one NBA team only. I wish CP3 finds that team where he can retire. I really wouldn’t mind at all if he ring chase with the Spurs if he agrees to a reduced role.

[BatManu20]

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[Seventyniner]

CP3 could get some real minutes in Minnesota or Milwaukee but that's far from home. Clippers would be my guess.

[R. DeMurre]

Sorry, but for all the talk of Chris Paul being a mature veteran mentor, I think he’s much more of a delusional star far past his prime, whose ego still demands that he start somewhere. Much more of a toxic teammate at this point than a helper.

[timtonymanu]

I never like great players bouncing from one team to another. DRob, Timmy and Manu were lucky to had played with one NBA team only. I wish CP3 finds that team where he can retire. I really wouldn’t mind at all if he ring chase with the Spurs if he agrees to a reduced role.

He wants to start and that's not gonna happen here anymore. They had to awkwardly fit him next to Fox in the starting 5 when it didn't make sense, to appease him. I don't see him wanting to play for any other circumstance as cool as it would be to see him mentor Harper. Also, doubt the Spurs are competing for a championship this upcoming season so it doesn't make sense for him to want to ring chase here.

[Vienna]

Eh, there's still unfinished business floating around. No one expected the DeRoz/Barnes stuff last summer. If the Spurs stop here, that's fine with me, but there's still Kuminga and some other crap that's being discussed in the league.

last year the more significant trades happened between July 6th and July 8th. (Mikal Bridges, Avdija, DJ Murray, Klay, Barnes, DeRozean). then not much happened till the Towns trade on October 2nd. so, next Monday might be a lot of business going on.

[exstatic]

At this point if Bol Bol stays unsigned wouldn't mind seeing a camp invite or straight up just a one year min contract for depth off the bench.

One of those roster spots where you see if any magic comes out of the bottle that you can just waive or let go at the end of the season

Couple of teams have tried that already, Orlando and Phoenix. There is no magic in the bottle, only laziness.

[ace3g]

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
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Just In: The Orlando Magic and Moe Wagner have agreed to a one-year, $5 million deal, league sources told Hoopshype
. Agent Jason Glushon worked with Magic officials to finalize the deal.

[Poolboy5623]

Sorry, but for all the talk of Chris Paul being a mature veteran mentor, I think he’s much more of a delusional star far past his prime, whose ego still demands that he start somewhere. Much more of a toxic teammate at this point than a helper.

Yeah, he didn't mentor shit.

[KobesAchilles]

Why in the F does Shaq keep banging on about him having skills similar to Victor, acting like he's somewhere near Victor's level.
At this point it’s tongue in cheek. He already admitted he was wrong about it and now is just continuing his shtick

[Degoat]

Feel like when the moratorium lifts, they’ll be a lot more movement… it’s been awfully quiet since the Turner news.
Lakers, Warriors, Timberwolves, jazz have done very little so far and that’s just name a few teams out there.

[Biggems]

i would think this way about bol bol if he had been in the league for 3-4 years. he's played 6 seasons now, will turn 26 at the beginning of the season. there's just no fire there whatsoever.

at least if he was an energy player like mamu i'd say fuck it, let him have the 15th roster spot and you can bring him in occasionally to stir things up. but he's not even that.

Maybe playing with Wemby would energize and invigorate him. Sign him to a cheap 1 year deal. If anything, he can be used situationally as a big defensive presence. Imagine the triple towers lineup for a major defensive stop. Bol on the baseline covering the inbound pass, Wemby guarding the perimeter, Kornet guarding the post. In this scenario, the other 2 players are Sochan and Castle. We dare you to score.

Also, it would allow us to have longer stretches with twin towers on the floor, thus imposing our size upon our opponents.

A 1 year deal on the cheap is worth it, IMO. We have 2 open spots right now.

[Ariel]

Sorry, but for all the talk of Chris Paul being a mature veteran mentor, I think he’s much more of a delusional star far past his prime, whose ego still demands that he start somewhere. Much more of a toxic teammate at this point than a helper.
That's rough, there's no indication that description fits his one season with the Spurs. I would, however, agree that his reluctance to come off the bench removes him from consideration for the mentor role, but no one should be forced into a situation in which they don't feel comfortable, as it happened with Tony when he left for Charlotte.

[John B]

Maybe playing with Wemby would energize and invigorate him. Sign him to a cheap 1 year deal. If anything, he can be used situationally as a big defensive presence. Imagine the triple towers lineup for a major defensive stop. Bol on the baseline covering the inbound pass, Wemby guarding the perimeter, Kornet guarding the post. In this scenario, the other 2 players are Sochan and Castle. We dare you to score.

Also, it would allow us to have longer stretches with twin towers on the floor, thus imposing our size upon our opponents.

A 1 year deal on the cheap is worth it, IMO. We have 2 open spots right now.

There’s no dawg in him, like Samanic skilled but lazy. Spurs need motor like Drew Eubanks, Aron Baynes type, bruiser bigs with lots of motor coming off the bench.

Victor Lakhin, 6’11 undrafted from Clemson suffered an injury that would require 3 months recovery, but could be a very good candidate for a 2-way contract.

[baseline bum]

Why in the F does Shaq keep banging on about him having skills similar to Victor, acting like he's somewhere near Victor's level.

His kid played with Bol Bol back in the AAU days when a lot of people expected Bol to be a franchise level talent.

[baseline bum]

Any predictions here as to where CP3 ultimately signs?

One of the LA teams

[baseline bum]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent forward Jabari Walker has agreed to a two-way NBA deal with the Philadelphia 76ers, source tells ESPN. Walker spent his first three NBA seasons in Portland, appearing in 188 games.

Damn I originally read that as Jarace Walker and thought WTF :lol

[Dejounte]

Sign and trade can’t be announced until the 6th, right? Why else would trades or offseason moves be held until the 6th?

[baseline bum]

I'd leave the country, too, tbh, no idea if you're gonna wind up in an everglades concentration camp getting murdered by some MAGA goons for fun.

I wonder who is going to be the first star to decide fuck this I wanna live and play in a free nation. Luka? Jokic? Wemby? SGA? Especially with the cloud hanging over Maluach's head thanks to Dotard.

[Dejounte]

I wonder who is going to be the first star to decide fuck this I wanna live and play in a free nation. Luka? Jokic? Wemby? SGA? Especially with the cloud hanging over Maluach's head thanks to Dotard.

Most rich people live comfortably and therefore are too cowardly (or self-centered) to take a stand.

[John B]

Most rich people live comfortably and therefore are too cowardly (or self-centered) to take a stand.

Or they’re young and just want to play basketball.

[baseline bum]

Most rich people live comfortably and therefore are too cowardly (or self-centered) to take a stand.

If you're SGA do you really want to be playing for a bunch of yokels that want your nation to be invaded and turned into a US state?

[Mr. Body]

I wonder who is going to be the first star to decide fuck this I wanna live and play in a free nation. Luka? Jokic? Wemby? SGA? Especially with the cloud hanging over Maluach's head thanks to Dotard.

ICE has now been given a larger budget than all our law enforcement arms put together, bigger than the Russian military, apparently. They have no oversight. They come around heavily armed with masks over their faces. We're building concentration camps within our own states. The president is threatening to arrest and kidnap the mayoral candidate of one of our cities. He's talking about letting farms take some of the prisoners to work for them who "will take care of them" (yes, he said this).

This is going to get really, really nasty. We're going to see military vehicles on city streets arresting protesters. Showing up on campuses arresting students out of the blue. These people will never be seen again.

If I was a foreign national, I'd already be considering getting out of here.

[baseline bum]

ICE has now been given a larger budget than all our law enforcement arms put together, bigger than the Russian military, apparently. They have no oversight. They come around heavily armed with masks over their faces. We're building concentration camps within our own states. The president is threatening to arrest and kidnap the mayoral candidate of one of our cities. He's talking about letting farms take some of the prisoners to work for them who "will take care of them" (yes, he said this).

This is going to get really, really nasty. We're going to see military vehicles on city streets arresting protesters. Showing up on campuses arresting students out of the blue. These people will never be seen again.

If I was a foreign national, I'd already be considering getting out of here.

If I was a foreign national I'd have already been gone. I have already had US citizen friends who married citizens of other nations leave because who wants to raise his kids in Nazi Germany 2.0?

[Degoat]

Hoopshype says the spurs have interest in Ryan Rollins along with lakers, bucks, Blazers, and Suns

[BatManu20]

Spurs reportedly interested in UFA PG Ryan Rollins.

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[BatManu20]

Height: 6'3
Weight: 180 lbs.
Wingspan: 6'10

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[Leetonidas]

Another guard? but hey he's a good 3 point shooter, fuck it sign him up

[LeBowen]

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First clip here's Ryan Reynolds. :lmao

I see no reason for him to even consider the Spurs, we don't have any PG minutes available unlike those other teams.

[scott]

If I was a foreign national, I'd already be considering getting out of here.

Fuck, I’m an American Citizen and I’m already considering getting out of here. I’m thankful I already live in the most isolated state in the country that is about as removed from every day American life.

[scott]

Rollins would be fantastic competition for Blake and Bran if he’d agree to what amounts to a “try out” contract (similar to Flynn and Boston last year). If the Spurs aren’t going to trade Blake and Bran then I hope they’ll be subject to actual competition in camp. Yes, their contract size is helpful for trades, but I don’t think that is enough of a consideration to justify keeping lesser players on the roster.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Rollins is a good player and can play off ball too.

Good shooter, can handle a little and is decent defensively as well. He’s probably not a minimum player which is why Bucks let him go.

[Dejounte]

Rollins looks like he could develop into someone like Andrew Nembhard. I wonder if they’re doing this because David Duke Jr basically didn’t want to be a Spur anymore.

[ginobilized]

I'd be open to giving Ryan Rollins a tire kick and training camp invite. He seems like he's a a bit of a composite of Wesley and Branham. Might be worth consolidating them into one player.
Not sure how much the Spurs would offer and if another team could draw more interest.

[Dejounte]

The more I watch the more I like. Adding Rollins is like adding a third first round pick. The tape looks good, kid is talented.

[scott]

The more I watch the more I like. Adding Rollins is like adding a third first round pick. The tape looks good, kid is talented.

I’m not trying to say there is something going on… because I obviously have no clue… but signing Rollins to a deal with the remainder of our MLE would make a lot of sense if Bran or Blake were headed out in some other deal that landed us some forward help……. Just saying.

[scottspurs]

A shooter to replace the inevitable Devin Vassell trade is a useful addition to the backcourt so I’m in on Rollins

[ChumpDumper]

A guard who can shoot?

Are we sure he's Spurs material?

I kid. This is a good type of player to go for at this point.

[Ice009]

At this point it’s tongue in cheek. He already admitted he was wrong about it and now is just continuing his shtick

For real? I didn't think Shaq hardly ever back tracked. Did he say it in a low-key sort of way, or did he actually flat out say he was wrong?


His kid played with Bol Bol back in the AAU days when a lot of people expected Bol to be a franchise level talent.

Oh, so Shaq's son and Bol Bol are friends? That would explain some of it. Maybe Shaq was thinking Bol Bol was going to be legit due to the skills he seems to have on the surface, and also with him being in close proximity to him due to his son playing with him. Unfortunately, it appears he's been wrong about him.

[mudyez]

But do Branham and Wesley have any value whatsoever? I can see some team like Sactown talking themself into Branham being a sparkplug once he changes scenery and I somewhat like Wesley as third stringer (or what you call it behind our guard threesome).

[Dejounte]

I’m not trying to say there is something going on… because I obviously have no clue… but signing Rollins to a deal with the remainder of our MLE would make a lot of sense if Bran or Blake were headed out in some other deal that landed us some forward help……. Just saying.
I agree with you. Something’s up.

Does anyone know if we have more money to give compared to those other listed teams? If we could lock him down similar to the Champagnie deal, that would be great.

[LeBowen]

But do Branham and Wesley have any value whatsoever? I can see some team like Sactown talking themself into Branham being a sparkplug once he changes scenery and I somewhat like Wesley as third stringer (or what you call it behind our guard threesome).

Branham is too far gone, shooting guard that doesn't do anything other than scoring is the easiest archetype to find. He's also tragic defensively.
Wesley might have some teams interested in taking a flyer, he could be a very good defenders and there are plenty of teams that don't have enough guard defenders.

[Ice009]

First clip here's Ryan Reynolds. :lmao

I see no reason for him to even consider the Spurs, we don't have any PG minutes available unlike those other teams.

This kid looks like a solid player. I would love to have him in the Wesley/Branham role instead of those guys. Would be a great get especially if the Spurs can ship those other guys off in a deal for a forward.

[Degoat]

Not to keep this alive but I was creeping on the UTAH fan forum and geez the fans asking price for John Collins is low lol I saw one person propose Zach Collins & Jevon Carter for John Collins lol

[Degoat]

We create theories to why the spurs might be looking at or interested in certain guys but I bet the spurs were just fans when he got drafted and now he’s a bargain bin player they could add like Julian was.

[LeBowen]

We create theories to why the spurs might be looking at or interested in certain guys but I bet the spurs were just fans when he got drafted and now he’s a bargain bin player they could add like Julian was.

Regardless of our positional needs, whenever there's an opportunity to add a potentially good player for a minimum, you do it, no questions asked.

The question that needs to be asked is why would Rollins join us when we're arguably the most stacked team at point guard position instead of joining other teams that don't have any guard depth?

[Degoat]

Regardless of our positional needs, whenever there's an opportunity to add a potentially good player for a minimum, you do it, no questions asked.

The question that needs to be asked is why would Rollins join us when we're arguably the most stacked team at point guard position instead of joining other teams that don't have any guard depth?

My guess would be those teams are offering minimum deals and the spurs offer a little bit more than the minimum. Spurs have a reputation of building up guys value

[spurraider21]

As a 4th guard who can shoot he’s a nice add though i imagine he’d go elsewhere with a better role.

he’s still quite young, a good shooter, and freakish wingspan for a guy of his stature. I’d give him the 2 year deal with some of the BAE

[KobesAchilles]

Fuck, I’m an American Citizen and I’m already considering getting out of here. I’m thankful I already live in the most isolated state in the country that is about as removed from every day American life.
North Dakota?

[scott]

North Dakota?

You're gonna have to put on your swim trunks and pack some snacks to get to me

[KobesAchilles]

You're gonna have to put on your swim trunks and pack some snacks to get to me
Damn man I ain’t crossing the border… jk

[tonight...you]

Damn man I ain’t crossing the border… jk
Especially when the lake is called Titty Caca.

[Obstructed_View]

I've been working every day and haven't been able to keep up like I would like, but I saw that Jock got released by Houston. Does he fill a need in a much improved Spurs team?

[PhantomDashCam]

Not sure I buy the Rollins interest. I’m not trying to smear his name, and they drafted DJ under murkier circumstances, but why risk it tbh.


Ryan Rollins Pleaded Guilty in Larceny Case

It was a redemptive story for Rollins, who was waived by the Washington Wizards in 2024 after the young point guard was charged with seven counts of petty larceny in Alexandria General District Court, The Athletic reported in January 2024 (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5197330/2024/01/11/former-wizards-and-warriors-guard-ryan-rollins-accused-of-shoplifting-from-target/) after being caught shoplifting household items from a local Target store while he was with the Wizards.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2024/02/21/milwaukee-bucks-sign-ryan-rollins-two-way-contract/72688235007/) in February 2024 that Rollins pleaded guilty to a single count of petit larceny, a misdemeanor, on Jan. 31, 2024, while the other charges were dropped.

“His 30-day sentence was suspended and will be expunged once his unsupervised probation over six months is complete. He also paid court-ordered restitution on Feb. 1, along with a small fine associated with the case on Feb. 13, 2024,” the report added.

[John B]

Not sure I buy the Rollins interest. I’m not trying to smear his name, and they drafted DJ under murkier circumstances, but why risk it tbh.

So he’s a thief. How’s his steal?

[Joseph Kony]

Not sure I buy the Rollins interest. I’m not trying to smear his name, and they drafted DJ under murkier circumstances, but why risk it tbh.
didnt gary neal rape a chick that was half conscious?

[Biggems]

Rollins would be an upgrade over Branham for sure.

I wish Wesley could shoot. He is an above average defender, but his offense is offensive. He cannot shoot, turns the ball over too much, and plays out of control.

[tonight...you]

didnt gary neal rape a chick that was half conscious?
I think a train was involved...

[spursistan]

I don't think Bill Simmons is totally fantasizing here. Cooper Flagg is from Maine and a die-hard Celtics fan. Boston sneakily interviewed him during the combine, probably trying to plant an early seed .

It wouldn't shock me if he doesn't finish his second contract with the Mavericks. He is going into a competitive, borderline playoffs team for his first two seasons, but after that things could get really ugly in Dallas considering how stripped they are of draft assets..


https://x.com/BillSimmons/status/1941170294967894038

[spurs10]

A shooter to replace the inevitable Devin Vassell trade is a useful addition to the backcourt so I’m in on Rollins I hope you are right about replacing Devin, but was hoping for a shooter who can be a 3 & D player or stretch 4 and not a 6'3" guard....but if he can shoot and take the place of Branham and Wesley then why not?

[exstatic]

As a 4th guard who can shoot he’s a nice add though i imagine he’d go elsewhere with a better role.

he’s still quite young, a good shooter, and freakish wingspan for a guy of his stature. I’d give him the 2 year deal with some of the BAE

When you’re right on that knifes edge of in the league,or out, you don’t quibble over role, you just want a contract with maybe some guaranteed money.

[ambchang]

Fuck, I’m an American Citizen and I’m already considering getting out of here. I’m thankful I already live in the most isolated state in the country that is about as removed from every day American life.

Heading to Hawaii (Maui) in a few days. Really looking forward to it as I haven’t been anywhere in a few years. I heard stuff is crazy expensive in the aloha state. Will see how much my dollars will stretch. Really wanted to do the shark dive at the ocean centre but it’s like $400 per person. Crazy stuff

[spurraider21]

When you’re right on that knifes edge of in the league,or out, you don’t quibble over role, you just want a contract with maybe some guaranteed money.
True but a one year deal where he can’t see the court isn’t doing much for him. May make more sense to take the bare minimum in a better spot to showcase

[Trueblood]

I'd leave the country, too, tbh, no idea if you're gonna wind up in an everglades concentration camp getting murdered by some MAGA goons for fun.

You nailed it! I’m sure it’s this and not the fact that he’d rather be a starter for a team closer to his family than a backup half a world away.

[Trueblood]

You're gonna have to put on your swim trunks and pack some snacks to get to me

I grew up in Hawaii. Great place to visit but you couldn’t pay me enough to ever move back.

[scott]

Heading to Hawaii (Maui) in a few days. Really looking forward to it as I haven’t been anywhere in a few years. I heard stuff is crazy expensive in the aloha state. Will see how much my dollars will stretch. Really wanted to do the shark dive at the ocean centre but it’s like $400 per person. Crazy stuff

Yeah, everything is super expensive. I haven't checked the moon calendar, but I think you just missed a new moon... still, do Haleakela sunset and stick around for star gazing. If you are here on a Sunday, a Park Service has a ranger who is a Harvard PhD Astrophysicist who does a really cool star gazing presentation just after sunset. Bring a jacket, it gets cold as hell up there.


I grew up in Hawaii. Great place to visit but you couldn’t pay me enough to ever move back.

That's how I feel about Texas. Not enough money in the world for me to ever move back. But HI does have plenty of warts, but I'm thankful at its relative detachment from the mainland these days.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I grew up in Hawaii. Great place to visit but you couldn’t pay me enough to ever move back.

I am genuinely curious why? My family and I go every other year and I would move there full-time in a heartbeat.

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m not trying to say there is something going on… because I obviously have no clue… but signing Rollins to a deal with the remainder of our MLE would make a lot of sense if Bran or Blake were headed out in some other deal that landed us some forward help……. Just saying.

agree. Rollins also seems to be a better player than both.


But do Branham and Wesley have any value whatsoever? I can see some team like Sactown talking themself into Branham being a sparkplug once he changes scenery and I somewhat like Wesley as third stringer (or what you call it behind our guard threesome).

they have great value for salary dumps. We can help you shave off 10-16 million and you get back 5-10 that you can waive. Who wouldn't take that deal?


Not sure I buy the Rollins interest. I’m not trying to smear his name, and they drafted DJ under murkier circumstances, but why risk it tbh.

if he also has a pornstar girlfriend that he beats up occassionally he'd be perfect here. :pop: "he reminds me of Steph"

[Ice009]

agree. Rollins also seems to be a better player than both.

if he also has a pornstar girlfriend that he beats up occassionally he'd be perfect here. :pop: "he reminds me of Steph"

Darn, the girl also a pornstar? I wonder how he got introduced/involved in all that. Not that I have an issue with him dating her or anyone that does that job, the issue I have is he was supposed to be a high character guy and the Spurs pushed him as such.

As far as Rollins goes. The stealing thing I don't like because why would an NBA player steal stuff? There's something wrong there if he's doing something like that as I would assume he should be able to afford any of the stuff he stole (unless he was broke that week ;)). Not sure I'd want him on the team.

[LeBowen]

https://i.redd.it/pkwfo7bpqxaf1.jpeg

[SpursBills]

Spurs' interest in Rollins signifies that they view Vassell as a wing - would make sense if they feel like they want 2 ballhandlers / creators on the floor at all times

Ballhandlers (on ball creators) - Fox/Castle/Harper/Rollins

Wings (off ball shooters) - Vassell/Champagnie/Barnes

Bigs (defensive rim protectors) - Wemby/Kornet

You can see how hard they're trying to 'wingify" Sochan with his development so far - started on the defensive end with him guarding everyone, now they're trying to do it on offense by trying to force develop his off ball shooting

I have little to no hope for Keldon fitting into this scheme

[Trueblood]

Yeah, everything is super expensive. I haven't checked the moon calendar, but I think you just missed a new moon... still, do Haleakela sunset and stick around for star gazing. If you are here on a Sunday, a Park Service has a ranger who is a Harvard PhD Astrophysicist who does a really cool star gazing presentation just after sunset. Bring a jacket, it gets cold as hell up there.

That's how I feel about Texas. Not enough money in the world for me to ever move back. But HI does have plenty of warts, but I'm thankful at its relative detachment from the mainland these days.

That’s funny because Texas is home for me and I love it plus my closest friend from my childhood in Hawaii moved to Texas and he loves it too

[Trueblood]

I am genuinely curious why? My family and I go every other year and I would move there full-time in a heartbeat.

I could say cost of living and that would be enough but the reality is it’s the racism. They love non natives visiting as long as they leave.

[HankChinaski]

If they are interested in Rollins its because they want insurance with depth that isn't Branham and Wesley. I expect the two of them to be traded or let go by end of this season

[John B]

Like the rest, I’m hoping that the interest in Rollins is as a replacement for either Branham/Wesley as part of a trade that would bolster our Forward/C position.

[picnroll]

The Spurs are building a backcourt that thrives on screens, that would include Rollis. Apart from Sochan and now Kornet who else on the Spurs is a good screener?

[Degoat]

I think it’s underrated how beneficial it’s going to be for Fox, Castle, Harper, Dev, etc. having a big like Kornet to set hard screens to free them up.

[picnroll]

I think it’s underrated how beneficial it’s going to be for Fox, Castle, Harper, Dev, etc. having a big like Kornet to set hard screens to free them up.

I want to see Harper getting a lot of minutes with Kornet.

[sfernald]

Yeah, everything is super expensive. I haven't checked the moon calendar, but I think you just missed a new moon... still, do Haleakela sunset and stick around for star gazing. If you are here on a Sunday, a Park Service has a ranger who is a Harvard PhD Astrophysicist who does a really cool star gazing presentation just after sunset. Bring a jacket, it gets cold as hell up there.



That's how I feel about Texas. Not enough money in the world for me to ever move back. But HI does have plenty of warts, but I'm thankful at its relative detachment from the mainland these days.

It will be the first place invaded when we finally piss off china enough tho.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs are building a backcourt that thrives on screens, that would include Rollis. Apart from Sochan and now Kornet who else on the Spurs is a good screener?

Castle is a good screener.

[BatManu20]

Cam Whitmore traded to the Wizards for 2 SRP's. What a steal for Washington. Whitmore is only 20 with a lot of untapped potential. Legit one of the best athletes in the NBA.

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[LeBowen]

Great deal for the Wizards, a free swing on a player with clear upside who has to realize it's his last chance to stay in the league.

[Ice009]

How many games has he started? I was interested in getting him on the Spurs.

[jesterbobman]

Cam Whitmore will get more chances. Highly efficient volume scorer.
I think this is mostly Houston doing him a solid, as they'll have so much depth that Cam couldn't get on the court with any frequency.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

they definitely didn't want anybody in the west to get him

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[baseline bum]

Glad to see Whitmore somewhere he'll get some real minutes. Way too good of a talent to waste away on the Rockets bench but not like you're going to find much playing time for him when they have Durant, Smith, Thompson, and Eason in front of him.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1941596890082001347


After the Wizards’ acquisition of Cam Whitmore, who prioritized a larger wing role at his new destination, Corey Kispert is a very strong trade candidate.

Kispert is on a team-friendly contract through 2028-29, which includes a team option, making only $13.6 million annually.

https://x.com/esidery/status/1941596890082001347

[poopbox]

New Whitmore was out of Houston when some random chicks posted pics of him and his response was basically "i was to drunk to remember that :rollin"

[Mr. Body]

Cam Whitmore -- tunnel visioned, non-passer, horrible attitude, needs to be the center of an offense (both because of his ego and his play style) but you'll get wrecked if you play him as a centerpiece. The guy needs a total brain replacement to make it going forward.

[djohn2oo8]

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the quoted poster has been verified as LeBron’s friend one of his best friends. Funny NOW he has interest in Houston.

[baseline bum]

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the quoted poster has been verified as LeBron’s friend one of his best friends. Funny NOW he has interest in Houston.

Durant was a great get but at this point I don't think I want LeBron if I'm the Rockets. Way too old to run such a heliocentric offense around him and that's the only way he has ever played.

[scott]

Kispert would be a nice bench scoring backfill to our team in the event that Vassell or Keldon were moved for a forward. Not suggesting we go out of our way to turn either of these guys into Kispert, but if Vassell or Keldon were gone, Kispert would be a nice way to replace one of them. His defense is about as terrible as Keldon and Branham's, but he can shoot (though he's a sniper who doesn't quite snipe), would be cheap to acquire and is on a friendly deal (though is more years, which is why I wouldn't even go out of my way to trade Keldon for him)

[Robz4000]

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the quoted poster has been verified as LeBron’s friend one of his best friends. Funny NOW he has interest in Houston.


Durant was a great get but at this point I don't think I want LeBron if I'm the Rockets. Way too old to run such a heliocentric offense around him and that's the only way he has ever played.

LeBron would legit be one of the worst players the Rockets could trade for right now tbh.

[mo7888]

Kispert would be a nice bench scoring backfill to our team in the event that Vassell or Keldon were moved for a forward. Not suggesting we go out of our way to turn either of these guys into Kispert, but if Vassell or Keldon were gone, Kispert would be a nice way to replace one of them. His defense is about as terrible as Keldon and Branham's, but he can shoot (though he's a sniper who doesn't quite snipe), would be cheap to acquire and is on a friendly deal (though is more years, which is why I wouldn't even go out of my way to trade Keldon for him)

He'd be a nice fit off the bench. I wouldn't hate that at all.

[ginobilized]

Kispert would be a nice bench scoring backfill to our team in the event that Vassell or Keldon were moved for a forward. Not suggesting we go out of our way to turn either of these guys into Kispert, but if Vassell or Keldon were gone, Kispert would be a nice way to replace one of them. His defense is about as terrible as Keldon and Branham's, but he can shoot (though he's a sniper who doesn't quite snipe), would be cheap to acquire and is on a friendly deal (though is more years, which is why I wouldn't even go out of my way to trade Keldon for him)

My prejudice against white guys with headbands would preclude me from endorsing this. The Zollins flashbacks would be too much to take.

[BatManu20]

Kispert is a very good career 3PT shooter at 38% on 5 and a half attempts/per. That dipped a bit last season to 36.5%, but I think he'd it'd go right back up on a better team. He'd be a solid bench piece for any team tbh.

Problem is he's legit one of the worst defenders in the NBA. One of the worst Defensive Ratings in the league last year (by far the worst Defensive Rating of any Wizard last year) and had the 3rd worst in the entire league 2 seasons ago. He's a sieve on that end and would be unplayable for any team come playoffs.

[djohn2oo8]

LeBron would legit be one of the worst players the Rockets could trade for right now tbh.


That situation is going to get ugly. We shall see.

[djohn2oo8]

Durant was a great get but at this point I don't think I want LeBron if I'm the Rockets. Way too old to run such a heliocentric offense around him and that's the only way he has ever played.
He would have to defer. A lot. His body won’t hold up forever continuing to play that way he is now.

[Spursfanfromafar]

He'd be a nice fit off the bench. I wouldn't hate that at all.

Kispert has been among the worst players in the NBA in the last season. His EPM was in the bottom 20%, OEPM of -1.1 (46%ile) and DEPM of -1.9, (3rd %ile). His DEPM was worse than Harrison Barnes, and was only better than Mamu's (-2.1, but who atleast had an 89%ile offense at a OEPM of 1.7). Better to avoid.

Ryan Rollins on the other hand seems more palatable with a 68%ile DEPM and a 54%ile OEPM and is a 41% 3P shooter, a much better replacement compared to Branham/ Wesley.

[mo7888]

Kispert has been among the worst players in the NBA in the last season. His EPM was in the bottom 20%, OEPM of -1.1 (46%ile) and DEPM of -1.9, (3rd %ile). His DEPM was worse than Harrison Barnes, and was only better than Mamu's (-2.1, but who atleast had an 89%ile offense at a OEPM of 1.7). Better to avoid.

Ryan Rollins on the other hand seems more palatable with a 68%ile DEPM and a 54%ile OEPM and is a 41% 3P shooter, a much better replacement compared to Branham/ Wesley.

Thos isn't a debate between Rollins and Kispert. They have different roles. It's a recognition that if we move Keldon or Devin somewhere that Kispert would fit off the bench and that his fit in that role works.

[TD 21]

My sense is the Rollins interest is merely the Spurs seeing if they can steal a young, rotational player and valuable archetype (3 and D combo guard) close to or maybe even at the minimum.

I can't imagine he'd sign with them given the depth in the back court.

As for Kispert, in their hunt for versatility, they've avoided 3-point specialists in recent years and unless it's someone like Mathews for the minimum, I don't see them deviating.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs want to build like OKC they should avoid players who are traffic cones on defense

[Spursfanfromafar]

Thos isn't a debate between Rollins and Kispert. They have different roles. It's a recognition that if we move Keldon or Devin somewhere that Kispert would fit off the bench and that his fit in that role works.

I wasn't comparing Kispert and Rollins directly but suggesting who we can target. Kispert will be a downgrade compared to both Keldon and Devin.

Rollins on on the other hand would be an upgrade over Branham or Wesley.

[mo7888]

I wasn't comparing Kispert and Rollins directly but suggesting who we can target. Kispert will be a downgrade compared to both Keldon and Devin.

Rollins on on the other hand would be an upgrade over Branham or Wesley.

In this team i don't really think he's a downgrade from Keldon because he's a better fit off the bench. I'll cede to point on Devin though

[Mr. Body]

Kispert is in the Dougie Buckets mold and Dougie barely got playing time before long. It's a type the Spurs seem to have eliminated from their wish list.

[exstatic]

Thos isn't a debate between Rollins and Kispert. They have different roles. It's a recognition that if we move Keldon or Devin somewhere that Kispert would fit off the bench and that his fit in that role works.

I don’t want anyone that bad on defense on the court, not even off the bench,

[Dejounte]

So no trade announcements even today. Sounds like the offseason is over

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Denver has informed Jonas Valanciunas' reps that the franchise fully intends to have him honor his contract as the Nuggets view Valanciunas as a critical center addition to back up Nikola Jokic and play alongside him. Greek team Panathinaikos pursued Valanciunas in recent days.

[Ice009]

So does Jonas want to play with Panathinaikos? Was he talking to them before being traded? Maybe he'll change his mind now and want to play for the Nuggets?

[RC_Drunkford]

this is hilarious

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu-xtx5WcAArlV_?format=jpg&name=large

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs are currently getting a lot of flack online for not donating anything to the flood victims. Gotta keep that cash considerations money in the bank.

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[Mr. Body]

Spurs are currently getting a lot of flack online for not donating anything to the flood victims. Gotta keep that cash considerations money in the bank.

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The donations are just going into Donnie's pockets.

[ismael-robert]

Are the Rocket n mavs not teams in Tx?

[poopbox]

Add Chris Paul to the list of players who after playing with the spurs no other teams were all that interested.

I remember when it was the other way around. Barnes will probably be out of the league after next season.

[Mr. Body]

Add Chris Paul to the list of players who after playing with the spurs no other teams were all that interested.

I remember when it was the other way around. Barnes will probably be out of the league after next season.

It takes talent to come up with all these dumbass takes. Kudos.

[rjv]

It takes talent to come up with all these dumbass takes. Kudos.

not just “dumbass”, but banal and humorless as well.

[scott]

Spurs are currently getting a lot of flack online for not donating anything to the flood victims. Gotta keep that cash considerations money in the bank.

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Are the Spurs getting a lot of flack online... or is just this Quan Wick guy? He's like if you took the worst of SpursTalk and put it on HGH

The Spurs will likely do something, like they always do... getting mad that they didn't lead with a $ figure before the full extent of the damage is even known seems like outrage in search of a home.

[Mr. Body]

Are the Spurs getting a lot of flack online... or is just this Quan Wick guy? He's like if you took the worst of SpursTalk and put it on HGH

The Spurs will likely do something, like they always do... getting mad that they didn't lead with a $ figure before the full extent of the damage is even known seems like outrage in search of a home.

It's all performative. They want attention, or like I said, they're trying to funnel money into certain pockets. I mean, FEMA money is getting redirected to build the concentration camps in the Everglades, there's no reason to give money to the Texas state or national government at this point. It's liable to be stolen. Quan Wick is probably working for them.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Rollins, a 2022 second-rounder, joined the Bucks on a two-way contract in Feb. 2024 and spent most of 2024-25 on a two-way before receiving a standard deal in March. He opted for a rest of season contract, became an unrestricted free agent and now is rewarded with a $12M deal.
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Free agent guard Ryan Rollins has agreed to a three-year, $12 million deal to return to the Milwaukee Bucks, with a player option in the third season, agents Mike Silverman and Brandon Grier of Equity Sports tell ESPN.

[Degoat]

Great now what! Lol I’m surprised the spurs didn’t just reward David Duke with a minimum deal

[Dejounte]

That sucks

strange thing is Kornet didn’t officially sign today

[mo7888]

That sucks

strange thing is Kornet didn’t officially sign today

That give me a little hope for something more....

[Degoat]

Has the Anfernee Simons trade gone thru? I know there’s been talk of the Celtics potentially re-routing him somewhere maybe the spurs are involved somehow, not for Simon’s but for an unwanted contract or something.

[spurraider21]

Spurs may be waiting on Kornet to determine if they can/cant frontload his deal

if they are able to use the rest of their MLE they may be able to preserve the BAE for use next year. If they have no use for the rest of the MLE then may as way front load it

with that said i don’t know what free agent would even justify it based on who is left. Melton is nice but probably will want a more prominent role. Coffey is solid offensively but not really worth much as he doesn’t defend.

[Degoat]

I don’t feel there is a realistic free agent that would be worth adding tbh it’s a wasteland out there besides the restricted guys

[J_Paco]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Denver has informed Jonas Valanciunas' reps that the franchise fully intends to have him honor his contract as the Nuggets view Valanciunas as a critical center addition to back up Nikola Jokic and play alongside him. Greek team Panathinaikos pursued Valanciunas in recent days.

Crazy that a foreign league team can negotiate with someone under contract. And crazier that Jonas or Panathinaikos thought an NBA team would just acquiesce and release him/buy him out.

[Mr. Body]

Crazy that a foreign league team can negotiate with someone under contract. And crazier that Jonas or Panathinaikos thought an NBA team would just acquiesce and release him/buy him out.

I don't totally get why a foreign league has to abide by an athletic contract in another country. If a player wants to walk away from a contract, he should be able to. It's not slavery.

[spurraider21]

I don't totally get why a foreign league has to abide by an athletic contract in another country. If a player wants to walk away from a contract, he should be able to. It's not slavery.
the leagues have agreements with one another aimed to prevent players from hopping around while under contract. contracts typically have buyout provisions in them if a player wants to leave for a different league. the receiving team is allowed to pay up to some set amount, dont know the exact numbers.

imaging trading 5 first round picks for donovan mitchell thinking you have him under contract for several years and then some fucking club from the UAE offers mitchell 75m per year to go play there and he just packs his bags and leaves. creates all kinds of problems

[Mr. Body]

the leagues have agreements with one another aimed to prevent players from hopping around while under contract. contracts typically have buyout provisions in them if a player wants to leave for a different league. the receiving team is allowed to pay up to some set amount, dont know the exact numbers.

imaging trading 5 first round picks for donovan mitchell thinking you have him under contract for several years and then some fucking club from the UAE offers mitchell 75m per year to go play there and he just packs his bags and leaves. creates all kinds of problems

I get that, to some degree, and we see it all the time in soccer, but... it's also just more cartel behavior that seems easy to abuse. I wonder what will happen as more players decide to leave the NBA. It's not a situation they're used to be in.