2025 NBA Offseason Thread

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent shooter Duncan Robinson has agreed to a three-year, $48 million deal with the Detroit Pistons, sources tell ESPN. Agent Jason Glushon navigated multiple options in the market, which included potential return to Miami or move elsewhere. Now Robinson lands in Detroit.

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Detroit is trading Simone Fontecchio to Miami to acquire Duncan Robinson in a sign-and-trade, sources tell ESPN.

[LeBowen]

I have Keldon out of the rotation and it's complicate to have a backup C that will both shoot 3's and protect the rim.

Let's say Spurs end up playing with a 9 players rotation of:
Fox/Castle
Harper/Castle
Vassell/Bryant
Sochan/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet

Aside of trading Sochan, it isn't easy to fix the shooting of that group.

And, hopefully, Sochan best shooting form will translate into better shooting numbers.

The only way to make it manageable is to not have Keldon in the rotation and to not play Castle and Sochan together.

[Mal]

Oh Duncan Robinson actually made right decison to opt out of 20 mil, to get more in FA. No tampering happend, pure belief in his value

[spursistan]

Miami still living in that "Heat Culture" gimmick bubble :lol.

Just tear it down and rebuild.

[spurraider21]

#2150
some good draft picks to be had that year

[Mugen]

Damn I thought Duncan Robinson would be closer to Kennard's contract. Too rich for my blood but a nice move for the Pistons tbh.

[Mugen]

Oh Duncan Robinson actually made right decison to opt out of 20 mil, to get more in FA. No tampering happend, pure belief in his value

It was only about 9mil guaranteed, not 20mil.

[benefactor]

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This is just Kobe copying people again. Reggie Miller did it well before he did.

[TimmyBuckets]

DR gone damn.

[spursistan]

Is CP3 holding out for a roster spot on one of the LA teams? I would much rather ride Jokic coattails for a last chance at ring if i were him.

[exstatic]

Is CP3 holding out for a roster spot on one of the LA teams? I would much rather ride Jokic coattails for a last chance at ring if i were him.

I think it’s Clippers or Phoenix, IIRC.

[DPG21920]

I have Keldon out of the rotation and it's complicate to have a backup C that will both shoot 3's and protect the rim.

Let's say Spurs end up playing with a 9 players rotation of:
Fox/Castle
Harper/Castle
Vassell/Bryant
Sochan/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet

Aside of trading Sochan, it isn't easy to fix the shooting of that group.

And, hopefully, Sochan best shooting form will translate into better shooting numbers.

34M to sit on bench???

[vy65]

So we're basically done? The only meaningful move would be a John Collins trade, but I don't see us getting in on that because of the power of friendship. The more I think about it, the more I don't see any realistic way they'd move Keldon/Devin/Jeremy.

[baseline bum]

CP3 and Mamu are gone.

And I want to trade Vassell while the team can for a better three point shooter on a better contract in Collins.

[spursistan]

I think it’s Clippers or Phoenix, IIRC.
Suns make zero sense.. It is either a ring chase or playing near family/Clippers farewell tour.

[Mugen]

FWIW, I'm not worried that they'll never move the friendship crew tbh. They've done it in the past with great locker room guys and that was with the old man around.

I think there's def an argument to be made that they'll hold onto them too long (if not already) but I'm pretty sure they'll get moved unless they absolutely ball out within the next few seasons.

[KobesAchilles]

Can we still get Hauser in a S&T?

[DPG21920]

Since my Keldon for DR trade is done, maybe Keldon for Collins can happen.

[RC_Drunkford]

Miami still living in that "Heat Culture" gimmick bubble :lol.

Just tear it down and rebuild.

their fans sound like Spurs fans when they complained about Pop. They are turning on Pat Riley and Spo.

[exstatic]

Suns make zero sense.. It is either a ring chase or playing near family/Clippers farewell tour.

He certainly didn’t think he was getting a ring here. I believe the quote was “I just wanna hoop”. He could easily requested a trade to a contender at the deadline, or release to sign with one when Wemby went down. He didn’t.

[LeBowen]

We need another big to replace Bassey and be the high energy third stringer.
Another reclamation project or a G-leaguer.

[spurs10]

Since my Keldon for DR trade is done, maybe Keldon for Collins can happen. That's what I'm hoping.

[baseline bum]

Since my Keldon for DR trade is done, maybe Keldon for Collins can happen.

Please no, Kelon's contract doesn't hurt the team the way Vassell's does.

[LakerHater]

Guess spurs of season moves are over. I thnk they're gonna sign the last to spots from summer league

[sfernald]

That's what I'm hoping.

Utah is having a real fire sale right now so Collin’s ought to be cheap

[scott]

We absolutely cannot lose Keldon or Devin. They are the heart, soul and future of this team.

[DPG21920]

Please no, Kelon's contract doesn't hurt the team the way Vassell's does.

I dont know if UTA would want or be willing to take the extra years of Dev vs Keldon or say Barnes.

[baseline bum]

We've got time to trade him tbh. We don't have to decide on Castle/Harper for another few years. I honestly think MATFO betting that he ups his value this upcoming season is worth a try.

You might get something positive for him now. Wait too long like they did with Keldon and they're going to have to attack picks to get someone to take that contract. His contract hurts even more now that the Trump economy killed off the projected 10% annual raises to the cap.

[baseline bum]

I dont know if UTA would want or be willing to take the extra years of Dev vs Keldon or say Barnes.

They don't have the kind of cap crunch the Spurs do in the next 3-4 years and Vassell's contract could be useful for trade fodder. Only young guy they have with any chance of being a max player is Bailey and in four years when Bailey is due a new contract Vassell is off the books.

[vy65]

We absolutely cannot lose Keldon or Devin. They are the heart, soul and future of this team.

Habibi, come on. You know there is absolutely no chance whatsoever either of those guys ever gets moved. 0% likely. Will absolutely, positively never happen. There's a greater chance I have a threeway with Sydney Sweeney and Mia Khalifa.

Never.
Going.
To.
Happen.

[baseline bum]

We absolutely cannot lose Keldon or Devin. They are the heart, soul and future of this team.

You should limit your reddit time to checking for amateurs posting their nudes and stay off r/spurs tbh

[CGD]

I have Keldon out of the rotation and it's complicate to have a backup C that will both shoot 3's and protect the rim.

Let's say Spurs end up playing with a 9 players rotation of:
Fox/Castle
Harper/Castle
Vassell/Bryant
Sochan/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet

Aside of trading Sochan, it isn't easy to fix the shooting of that group.

And, hopefully, Sochan best shooting form will translate into better shooting numbers.

I don't think Mitch would start this way, but on paper I think the best projected SL (with back ups) to me would be:

Fox/Dylan
Vassell/Champaigne
Bryant/Castle
Sochan/Barnes
Wemby/Kornet

[poopbox]

Watching Denver and Atlanta front offices improve their teams out of literally nothing goes to show you just how pathetic this front office is.

Our playoff hopes don't hinge on what we do on the court, they hinge on if the Warriors and Lakers can do anything in the next 48 hours. Only teams we may have gotten better than and that's because both have done mostly nothing in free agency.

I thought this was a critical off season for us to start putting real actual nba players around Victor. Instead we adding two rookies who will have to compete for minutes with other garbage players and a backup center, that's it.

Compared to what some of these other teams have done, utterly disgraceful. No hope of us getting any difference making power forwards or small forwards cause we got to make sure the LOL (league of losers) get their minutes.

If our lottery picks hit we going to be paying Devin and Keldon around 20 mill a year to come off the bench. Disgusting.

[LeBowen]

Watching Denver and Atlanta front offices improve their teams out of literally nothing goes to show you just how pathetic this front office is.

Our playoff hopes don't hinge on what we do on the court, they hinge on if the Warriors and Lakers can do anything in the next 48 hours. Only teams we may have gotten better than and that's because both have done mostly nothing in free agency.

I thought this was a critical off season for us to start putting real actual nba players around Victor. Instead we adding two rookies who will have to compete for minutes with other garbage players and a backup center, that's it.

Compared to what some of these other teams have done, utterly disgraceful. No hope of us getting any difference making power forwards or small forwards cause we got to make sure the LOL (league of losers) get their minutes.

If our lottery picks hit we going to be paying Devin and Keldon around 20 mill a year to come off the bench. Disgusting.

I honestly love your m.o.
You come in, shit on everything, get exposed by facts, disappear, then come back in a few days like nothing happened.

[DAF86]

I have Keldon out of the rotation and it's complicate to have a backup C that will both shoot 3's and protect the rim.

Let's say Spurs end up playing with a 9 players rotation of:
Fox/Castle
Harper/Castle
Vassell/Bryant
Sochan/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet

Aside of trading Sochan, it isn't easy to fix the shooting of that group.

And, hopefully, Sochan best shooting form will translate into better shooting numbers.

Well, that's not realistic.

[sfernald]

Watching Denver and Atlanta front offices improve their teams out of literally nothing goes to show you just how pathetic this front office is.

Our playoff hopes don't hinge on what we do on the court, they hinge on if the Warriors and Lakers can do anything in the next 48 hours. Only teams we may have gotten better than and that's because both have done mostly nothing in free agency.

I thought this was a critical off season for us to start putting real actual nba players around Victor. Instead we adding two rookies who will have to compete for minutes with other garbage players and a backup center, that's it.

Compared to what some of these other teams have done, utterly disgraceful. No hope of us getting any difference making power forwards or small forwards cause we got to make sure the LOL (league of losers) get their minutes.

If our lottery picks hit we going to be paying Devin and Keldon around 20 mill a year to come off the bench. Disgusting.

As long as our drafting is as good as Okc we will be just fine.

[Mr. Body]

I think we need to trade Fox back to Sacramento and then have them trade him back to us again just to cheer everybody up again. It's like a bunch of kids at a summer camp when it rains the first day.

[WaywardTexan]

#2150

I think that's the year our T-Wolves pick conveys

[WaywardTexan]

Boo.

6:03 p.m. ET: Free agent Duncan Robinson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3157465/duncan-robinson) has agreed to a three-year, $48 million deal with the Detroit Pistons (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/det/detroit-pistons), sources told ESPN's Shams Charania. The Pistons are trading Simone Fontecchio (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3899664/simone-fontecchio) to the Miami Heat (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/mia/miami-heat) to acquire Robinson in a sign-and-trade, sources told ESPN.

[sfernald]

I think that's the year our T-Wolves pick conveys

Thats the spot where our Atlanta pick will land when they reach peak form (almost there, just need to nab dybantsa with that NO pick)

[MannyIsGod]

The rotation will probably - assuming no moves:

Wemby - Kornet
Barnes - Sochan
Vassell - Keldon
Castle - Champ
Fox - Harper

I'd rather have Champ start over Devin but I'm trying to be realistic. No way Keldon is out of the rotation. I don't care how you feel about him, we all know he's not sitting so a rookie can play at the start of the season. After the deadline? Then sure, maybe, but I don't see that being the case in Oct/Nov.

[Blizzardwizard]

nearly 200 pages between the durant thread and this one for luke kornet :lol


another classic spurs offseason in the books. can't wait for the 2026 version.


150+ page giannis thread (traded to houston). 70+ page free agency thread (sign haywood highsmith for 3/24M)

[mystargtr34]

If I put my NBA 2K hat on the Spurs could send Utah Vassell, Keldon, Barnes, Branham and the Spurs get back both Markannen and Collins. Spurs send a couple FRP’s and SRP’s.

Works in the trade machine.

Gives Utah 3 tank commanders until they land their franchise guy via draft and swaps out the Markannen garuantee of about $200M for Vassell’s $100M. Barnes and Collins are both expiring. They could flip Keldon in a season as an expiring.

Run with that for 2 years and then when Vic is due for his extension you trade one of Mark or Fox.

Wemby - Kornet
Collins - Sochan
Markannen - Bryant
Castle - Harper
Fox - Harper

I don’t think they’d ever rock the boat like this but I mean they were willing to go for Durant who would have commanded $60M per for the next 3 years.

Anyway back to reality.

[scott]

I think we need to trade Fox back to Sacramento and then have them trade him back to us again just to cheer everybody up again. It's like a bunch of kids at a summer camp when it rains the first day.

Yep, I consider Fox part of this offseason.

Fox, Harper, Bryant, Kornet is good business. Still wish we had a few additional moves, but I'm not complaining. I think Brian Wright will work his magic and get us another unexpected vet contributor and then Bassey will fill the last spot as emergency/energy 3rd string big.

[Dverde]

We absolutely cannot lose Keldon or Devin. They are the heart, soul and future of this team.
We wouldn’t have gotten these high draft picks without them!

[Degoat]

Not to overthink things, but spurs have to have something planned, they wouldn’t let Mamu walk for so little if they didnt have something lined up instead of bringing him back.

[poopbox]

As long as our drafting is as good as Okc we will be just fine.

As long as our drafting is as good as the second best drafting team in the league :rollin

Have you seen Wrights non Victor, Castle, and Harper picks? No chance of that happening :lol

[CGD]

Not to overthink things, but spurs have to have something planned, they wouldn’t let Mamu walk for so little if they didnt have something lined up instead of bringing him back.

Bc of Mamu...

[vy65]

Yep, I consider Fox part of this offseason.

Fox, Harper, Bryant, Kornet is good business. Still wish we had a few additional moves, but I'm not complaining. I think Brian Wright will work his magic and get us another unexpected vet contributor and then Bassey will fill the last spot as emergency/energy 3rd string big.

That doesn't make much sense. If part of the offseason as opposed to a trade deadline deal, how do you factor in drafting Harper? I'd have questions if the offseason plan was to load up on redundant talent while not targeting other needs.

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent guard Tre Mann has agreed to a three-year, $24 million deal with the Charlotte Hornets, sources tell ESPN. Hornets officials and Mann's agent Aaron Turner of Verus Sports negotiated terms of the new contract in free agency.

[DPG21920]

They don't have the kind of cap crunch the Spurs do in the next 3-4 years and Vassell's contract could be useful for trade fodder. Only young guy they have with any chance of being a max player is Bailey and in four years when Bailey is due a new contract Vassell is off the books.

Look at the deal they made; got only expiring back (Nurk). May be the clue they aren’t looking for long term salary or talent….

[scott]

That doesn't make much sense. If part of the offseason as opposed to a trade deadline deal, how do you factor in drafting Harper? I'd have questions if the offseason plan was to load up on redundant talent while not targeting other needs.

Baba, of course the trade deadline is not part of the actual offseason... I'm just saying since we had him for limited time before surgery I'm just lumping it all together. This is a lot of change for our Spurs who like to take it slow.

[DPG21920]

The rotation will probably - assuming no moves:

Wemby - Kornet
Barnes - Sochan
Vassell - Keldon
Castle - Champ
Fox - Harper

I'd rather have Champ start over Devin but I'm trying to be realistic. No way Keldon is out of the rotation. I don't care how you feel about him, we all know he's not sitting so a rookie can play at the start of the season. After the deadline? Then sure, maybe, but I don't see that being the case in Oct/Nov.

I would be surprised if Barnes started. He’s not a starting level defender and if you need to see what Sochan can do and you didnt trade him because you believe in him then you start him IMO

[vy65]

Baba, of course the trade deadline is not part of the actual offseason... I'm just saying since we had him for limited time before surgery I'm just lumping it all together. This is a lot of change for our Spurs who like to take it slow.

Bend over and I'll show you liking to take it slow

[TD 21]

Not to overthink things, but spurs have to have something planned, they wouldn’t let Mamu walk for so little if they didnt have something lined up instead of bringing him back.

It's a two-way street. He figures to be in line for more opportunity with the Craptors, as a primary backup C.

[LeBowen]

I would be surprised if Barnes started. He’s not a starting level defender and if you need to see what Sochan can do and you didnt trade him because you believe in him then you start him IMO

Barnes started every game of his career.
I can't see Castle and Sochan playing together unless both improve their 3pt over the summer.

[mystargtr34]

With the current roster I’m seeing a 9 man rotation.

Wemby - Kornet
Barnes - Sochan
Vassell - Bryant
Castle - Harper
Fox - Harper

Champ and Keldon 10th and 11th guys. Bryant may not be in the rotation right away but won’t take long for his defense and shooting to put him in.

Vassell forced to the 3 because Fox, Castle, Harper split the 96 minutes at guard three ways. He’s also forced to start or be in the rotation because of his contract like it or not.

It’s still going to be a mediocre defensive rebounding and defensive team with Barnes and Vassell starting at the 3/4. At least we won’t see a historical drop off when Vic goes to the bench like we’ve seen the last 2 years now that Kornet is on board.

As people have said it still feels like the roster is short one bigger stronger 4 to start next to Wemby I.e your PJ Washington, Aldama, Collins type. At least until Sochan proves the shooting is better and Bryant proves he’s ready for minutes. Neither which are garuanteed.

[poopbox]

Not to overthink things, but spurs have to have something planned, they wouldn’t let Mamu walk for so little if they didnt have something lined up instead of bringing him back.

When was the last time the spurs "had something planned" :rollin

[Degoat]

When was the last time the spurs "had something planned" :rollin

Last year when they Traded #8 pick for future draft capital, which led to us having the cap space to add CP3 and Barnes in a trade.

[RC_Drunkford]

If I were Brad Stevens I‘d throw Utah some picks to take on Simons and get Walker Kessler. Then sign Dame.


Lillard/White/Brown/Tatum/Kessler

and they are right back in the title race when healthy

[DPG21920]

Barnes started every game of his career.
I can't see Castle and Sochan playing together unless both improve their 3pt over the summer.

Then Sochan should be traded asap

[SpursBills]

When was the last time the spurs "had something planned" :rollin

Probably 1 week ago when they sold off their second round pick while needing a backup center since they felt they could sign Kornet?

[PhantomDashCam]

This may sound sacrilegious but there is a chance that Castle doesn't start.

Starters: Fox - Vassell - Champ - Sochan - Wemby
Bench: Castle - KJ - Harper - Barnes - Kornet (with a good chance that Bryant replaces either KJ/Barnes by mid-season due to trade or ineptitude).

[BacktoBasics]

With the current roster I’m seeing a 9 man rotation.

Wemby - Kornet
Barnes - Sochan
Vassell - Bryant
Castle - Harper
Fox - Harper

Champ and Keldon 10th and 11th guys. Bryant may not be in the rotation right away but won’t take long for his defense and shooting to put him in.

Vassell forced to the 3 because Fox, Castle, Harper split the 96 minutes at guard three ways. He’s also forced to start or be in the rotation because of his contract like it or not.

It’s still going to be a mediocre defensive rebounding and defensive team with Barnes and Vassell starting at the 3/4. At least we won’t see a historical drop off when Vic goes to the bench like we’ve seen the last 2 years now that Kornet is on board.

As people have said it still feels like the roster is short one bigger stronger 4 to start next to Wemby I.e your PJ Washington, Aldama, Collins type. At least until Sochan proves the shooting is better and Bryant proves he’s ready for minutes. Neither which are garuanteed.

Bryant isn’t a rotation player. Champ is. I don’t think we’ll see much of Bryant on the main roster. He’ll get time of course but I doubt it’ll regular rotation minutes.

[spurraider21]

jazz reporter saying theres basically no trade market for john collins

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[TimmyBuckets]

This may sound sacrilegious but there is a chance that Castle doesn't start.

Starters: Fox - Vassell - Champ - Sochan - Wemby
Bench: Castle - KJ - Harper - Barnes - Kornet (with a good chance that Bryant replaces either KJ/Barnes by mid-season due to trade or ineptitude).

THat will probably be a starting lineup for some games too. I think Castle and Vassell start though majority of the season. Champ plays the 3 or 4. Bryant isn't replacing Barnes. He's our best shooter and he makes winning plays. Brent probably craptime minutes and some minimal minutes until mid-late in the season where he might be ramped up, but I don't think he gets a lot of playing time year 1.

[rjv]

damn, the Jazz need to get a hold of all the general managers on this site.

[Joseph Kony]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281199/Knicks-Closing-In-On-Hiring-Mike-Brown-As-Head-Coach

:lmao Knicks

[SpursGenius]

Guess spurs of season moves are over. I thnk they're gonna sign the last to spots from summer league


They are dumbfucks make the obvious easy moves and draft picks that fall in their laps. Go get a shooter like A Coffee for cheap. Too stupid

[Chinook]

jazz reporter saying theres basically no trade market for john collins

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The Jazz probably don't want to keep him but can't bring themselves to cut such a useful ballast contract. I've made my reluctance for Collins and my disagreement about the Spurs acquiring a PF pretty clear, but the Jazz would probably take Barnes and Branham/Wesley straight up at this point. I also think the Spurs could make it known that they'd give Collins something like the full MLE for two years and then have non-guaranteed third year and get Collins to agree to a buyout large enough to get Utah to move on him. Maybe in return the Jazz can play third-team and take Wesley and/or Branham so the Spurs can turn the Kornet signing into an S&T.

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Brett Siegel BrettSiegelNBA
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The Lakers have held talks with Phoenix about a Nick Richards trade, league sources told ClutchPoints
.

LA was a team listed by MikeAScotto
as having interest in Richards.

Team has also called about potential Yves Missi and Robert Williams III trades with NOP & POR.

[spurraider21]

The Jazz probably don't want to keep him but can't bring themselves to cut such a useful ballast contract. I've made my reluctance for Collins and my disagreement about the Spurs acquiring a PF pretty clear, but the Jazz would probably take Barnes and Branham/Wesley straight up at this point. I also think the Spurs could make it known that they'd give Collins something like the full MLE for two years and then have non-guaranteed third year and get Collins to agree to a buyout large enough to get Utah to move on him. Maybe in return the Jazz can play third-team and take Wesley and/or Branham so the Spurs can turn the Kornet signing into an S&T.
i dont know what use that jazz have for Collins' contract as ballast. they dont really seem to be buyers, but honestly i have no clue what they're doing, as they attached a second to Sexton to land Jusuf Nurkic, so i guess they are buyers? both are expiring, nurkic actually paid a bit more, i cant explain it.

collins will be expiring, but the jazz are still pretty far from having cap issues, even if they gave Kessler a big extension. i dont know what big FA they'd be eyeballing next offseason.

i think you may be right about what utah would be willing to accept, but i dont think the spurs would want to deal barnes for collins either. barnes is expiring as well, and i could see the spurs wanting to re-sign him as affordable depth.

[scott]

Seems fair to say the Spurs aren't interested in Jollins and we should probably just stop thinking about him.

[spurraider21]

Seems fair to say the Spurs aren't interested in Jollins and we should probably just stop thinking about him.
we just need more pages on that thread

[DPG21920]

Spurs aren’t seemingly interested in any way of smartly improving on paper right now even with clear log jams and lots of money allocated to someone (whether its Keldon or Dev) that will have role reduced

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu0AtNoW4AAZ1lC?format=jpg&name=medium

[SpursFan86]

JJJ needs surgery (?) for a turf toe injury he just sustained off-site…ouch.

[Ice009]

Seems fair to say the Spurs aren't interested in Jollins and we should probably just stop thinking about him.

They could have probably gotten him in the Dejounte trade if they really wanted him, couldn't they? If they could have gotten him then and passed, they likely had no interest now too.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs aren’t seemingly interested in any way of smartly improving on paper right now even with clear log jams and lots of money allocated to someone (whether its Keldon or Dev) that will have role reduced

This may be crazy, but the denizens of some fan website may just be wrong.

[Chinook]

i dont know what use that jazz have for Collins' contract as ballast. they dont really seem to be buyers, but honestly i have no clue what they're doing, as they attached a second to Sexton to land Jusuf Nurkic, so i guess they are buyers? both are expiring, nurkic actually paid a bit more, i cant explain it.

They weren't going to play Sexton anymore, and they could see themselves playing Nurkic. The Jazz probably want to be facilitators more than buyers or sellers. Collins' huge contract could offer relief to a team selling in order to save on future salary during the season. That's why they'd want to keep him. Nurkic can play a similar role. I'd expect both to be bought out by the deadline if not moved earlier.


i think you may be right about what utah would be willing to accept, but i dont think the spurs would want to deal barnes for collins either. barnes is expiring as well, and i could see the spurs wanting to re-sign him as affordable depth.

I don't think the Spurs want to keep Barnes if they don't think he's a starting PF. They'd want to move him to a team where he could keep his streak going. But even if they're willing to be the team that breaks the streak, I don't think they should want to keep him if they intend to get Collins. There's really not a place in the rotation for him outside of the starting PF. There aren't a ton of forward minutes, and there a many guys who could get them, including Wemby and Castle/Vassell. As end-of-bench depth, sure. But if they get Collins, Sochan and Bryant should be getting the bulk of the remaining minutes, with Keldon and/or Champagnie likely holding Bryant's place for the year.

[spurraider21]

They weren't going to play Sexton anymore, and they could see themselves playing Nurkic. The Jazz probably want to be facilitators more than buyers or sellers. Collins' huge contract could offer relief to a team selling in order to save on future salary during the season. That's why they'd want to keep him. Nurkic can play a similar role. I'd expect both to be bought out by the deadline if not moved earlier.



I don't think the Spurs want to keep Barnes if they don't think he's a starting PF. They'd want to move him to a team where he could keep his streak going. But even if they're willing to be the team that breaks the streak, I don't think they should want to keep him if they intend to get Collins. There's really not a place in the rotation for him outside of the starting PF. There aren't a ton of forward minutes, and there a many guys who could get them, including Wemby and Castle/Vassell. As end-of-bench depth, sure. But if they get Collins, Sochan and Bryant should be getting the bulk of the remaining minutes, with Keldon and/or Champagnie likely holding Bryant's place for the year.
only thing i could come up with on the nurkic thing is they are hedging for a Kessler trade... so buying Nurkic to help them sell Kessler, i dont know. but the jazz should be acting like the pre-wemby spurs did... any reasonable player (like kessler) should be extended. they shouldnt be picky and looking to trade kessler unless theyre getting a haul

as for the barnes thing... he was starting at SF early in the year with sochan at the 4. i dont know that he was much more effective at the 4 than he was a 3. but at the 4, his poor rebounding and lack of weakside rim protection (not his fault, its not what id expect from barnes) becomes a problem. if they want to roll with vassell (or castle, however you want to sort them) as the starting 3, the notion of starting barnes just for the sake of starting him seems like poor thinking. imo they either have to take the leap with sochan (or eventually Bryant), or go get somebody who could start. collins makes a lot of sense as he's expiring anyway, but if Utah is insisting they want no part of Keldon (and the spurs are unwilling to attach second round picks), then yeah i dno. market is pretty dried up.

[poopbox]

Last year when they Traded #8 pick for future draft capital, which led to us having the cap space to add CP3 and Barnes in a trade.

We only got CP3 cause we overpaid and promised him minutes. Paul is still a free agent right now because no team is willing to give him 11 million and guarantee he is a starter.

We only got Barnes because the Kings struck out on everything and had to settle for Derozan. If the Kings actually signed the players they wanted to we never actually get Barnes.

Neither of these moves had anything to do with the number 8 pick.

[Mr. Body]

We only got CP3 cause we overpaid and promised him minutes. Paul is still a free agent right now because no team is willing to give him 11 million and guarantee he is a starter.

We only got Barnes because the Kings struck out on everything and had to settle for Derozan. If the Kings actually signed the players they wanted to we never actually get Barnes.

Neither of these moves had anything to do with the number 8 pick.

lol

[ginobilized]

Wow, Memphis will have some adjustments to make. They could aid and abet the Spurs rising up one more spot in the West if JJJ is out for an extended period.

Does Sacramento have some deal with the League to just roll over and become a patsy? What explanation does anyone have for their moves?
NOP, Jazz and PDX right there with them. Whatever a team's problem is, I'm pretty sure that Hansen Yang is not the answer.

Crazy draft and offseason so far. Houston and Denver may challenge OKC come playoff time. If the Spurs stay healthy and the new staff and players come together well, I'd think that we just might end up with a winning record or very close to it for the first time in years.

[Gandalf]

Windhorst or one of his guests mentioned the Rockets might have to waive a player, and someone suggested Jacque (sp?) Landale. If so, might he be a decent depth piece now that Mamu is apparently gone?

[SpursBills]

Wow, Memphis will have some adjustments to make. They could aid and abet the Spurs rising up one more spot in the West if JJJ is out for an extended period.

Does Sacramento have some deal with the League to just roll over and become a patsy? What explanation does anyone have for their moves?
NOP, Jazz and PDX right there with them. Whatever a team's problem is, I'm pretty sure that Hansen Yang is not the answer.

Crazy draft and offseason so far. Houston and Denver may challenge OKC come playoff time. If the Spurs stay healthy and the new staff and players come together well, I'd think that we just might end up with a winning record or very close to it for the first time in years.

I think if the Spurs ended next season with "close to" a winning record i.e. below 0.500 record, it would almost certainly mean that they are not a play-in team. If that were the case, assuming relative health for year 3 Wemby and Fox, even the most ardent supporters of the front office would probably call it an abject failure and there would be much greater scrutiny from the national media while this forum burns itself to the ground

[Joseph Kony]

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Pretty shitty list. spurs are probably done unless there is a trade, can't see the use in most of the remaining guys

[Mr. Body]

Windhorst or one of his guests mentioned the Rockets might have to waive a player, and someone suggested Jacque (sp?) Landale. If so, might he be a decent depth piece now that Mamu is apparently gone?

IMO he's totally serviceable as a third string big if they don't want to keep Biyombo.

[BackHome]

I wonder if we can get in on the potential trade with Bulls and Warriors - Kuminga for Colby White? It looks like they need a third team to facilitate the trade.

[spursistan]

JJJ needs surgery (?) for a turf toe injury he just sustained off-site…ouch.

GRIZZ are a team we should be jumping next year..Both JJJ and Edey are possibly out for first month of season. they lost Bane and Morant regressing and in-and-out of lineup act ruining whatever chemistry they're building..

https://x.com/JarenJJMuse/status/1940214287202664798

[tbdog]

I wonder if we can get in on the potential trade with Bulls and Warriors - Kuminga for Colby White? It looks like they need a third team to facilitate the trade.

Makes sense for the Warriors and the Bulls plan is who the fuck knows.

[Mr. Body]

GRIZZ are a team we should be jumping next year..Both JJJ and Edey are possibly out for first month of season. they lost Bane and Morant regressing and in-and-out of lineup act ruining whatever chemistry they're building..

https://x.com/JarenJJMuse/status/1940214287202664798

They also fired their coach who was actually good.

[mystargtr34]

Bulls need a defensive Center and vertical spacer for Giddey they should send Colby White and filler to the Mavericks for Gafford. White is a combo guard and should be able to hold down the 1 spot while Kyrie rehabs then move to the 6th man scorer role.

I don’t even know why the Bulls want Kuminga with Williams, Buzelis and Essengue at the forward spots but they could give the Warriors Vucevic + draft capital to get it done.

[callo1]

Goodness gracious, Denver has been absolutely masterful with their roster.

Come on Spurs...getting so close!

The Texas triangle is going to be a murderers row next year.

[spurraider21]

Warriors overplaying their hand with Kuminga to a degree that is making Ainge feel better about himself

[scott]

Mike Dunlevey Jr, Danny Ainge, Brian Wright… all guys who leave the steak on the grill just a little too long

[Mr. Body]

Warriors overplaying their hand with Kuminga to a degree that is making Ainge feel better about himself

Could have had Lauri for him and picks and now both franchises screwed up. They can probably get Kuminga down in price because no one wants him.

[mystargtr34]

Kuminga is nothing more than Keldon Johnson on a small dose of steroids.

Which team needs a 6’6 power forward that shoots 33% from 3, has an assist to turnover ratio of just over 1, is an average rebounder and mediocre defender? No one by the sounds of it.

[mystargtr34]

Mike Dunlevey Jr, Danny Ainge, Brian Wright… all guys who leave the steak on the grill just a little too long

That keldon Johnson steak was at well done in 2023 and it’s still on the grill.

[Dex]

They also fired their coach who was actually good.

They just wanted to give Morant another shot. Gotta keep your finger on the trigger...

[Dex]

Kuminga is nothing more than Keldon Johnson on a small dose of steroids.

Which team needs a 6’6 power forward that shoots 33% from 3, has an assist to turnover ratio of just over 1, is an average rebounder and mediocre defender? No one by the sounds of it.

I thought we were done talking about Zach Collins

[baseline bum]

Not to overthink things, but spurs have to have something planned, they wouldn’t let Mamu walk for so little if they didnt have something lined up instead of bringing him back.

Yeah wtf he signed for basically league minimum

[baseline bum]

1940222713140060526

Pretty shitty list. spurs are probably done unless there is a trade, can't see the use in most of the remaining guys

Should get Bol Bol so we can always have a Wemby on the floor

[spurraider21]

Should get Bol Bol so we can always have a Wemby on the floor
https://media.tenor.com/Xzhqq5FliXwAAAAM/well-no-no.gif

[Chinook]

only thing i could come up with on the nurkic thing is they are hedging for a Kessler trade... so buying Nurkic to help them sell Kessler, i dont know. but the jazz should be acting like the pre-wemby spurs did... any reasonable player (like kessler) should be extended. they shouldnt be picky and looking to trade kessler unless theyre getting a haul

You think after seeing the Spurs having to deal with Vassell and Johnson's contracts that Utah should automatically do the same? Kessler feels like a guy who is who he is at this point. So if who he is isn't good enough, trade him. Don't re-up him hoping he has an unexpected breakthrough.


as for the barnes thing... he was starting at SF early in the year with sochan at the 4.

Barnes can be the "SF" if he's next to a guy like Sochan who can cover both positions and give Harrison the easier matchup. While he and Sochan could come off the bench, there's not really a point in it given the rest of the forwards on the roster. Between Castle, Vassell, Sochan and whatever minutes Wemby might take next to Kornet, there might only be minutes for one other player. Hopefully that's Bryant. That's not even counting Collins' minutes. They just wouldn't have the room for him. The Spurs may like Barnes in a vacuum, but I agree with the folks saying they'd get Collins essentially to upgrade over Harrison. He's a great locker room guy who could be great as the deep bench player. But the Spurs need their rotational forwards to do other things besides just shoot, and some other team could probably use Barnes in an actual role.

[spurraider21]

You think after seeing the Spurs having to deal with Vassell and Johnson's contracts that Utah should automatically do the same? Kessler feels like a guy who is who he is at this point. So if who he is isn't good enough, trade him. Don't re-up him hoping he has an unexpected breakthrough.
i specifically said pre-wemby spurs. spurs now with wemby actually have to shape the roster to work around their bedrock foundational part(s). utah isnt there yet. i think kessler will hold his value better than keldon.


Barnes can be the "SF" if he's next to a guy like Sochan who can cover both positions and give Harrison the easier matchup. While he and Sochan could come off the bench, there's not really a point in it given the rest of the forwards on the roster. Between Castle, Vassell, Sochan and whatever minutes Wemby might take next to Kornet, there might only be minutes for one other player. Hopefully that's Bryant. That's not even counting Collins' minutes. They just wouldn't have the room for him. The Spurs may like Barnes in a vacuum, but I agree with the folks saying they'd get Collins essentially to upgrade over Harrison. He's a great locker room guy who could be great as the deep bench player. But the Spurs need their rotational forwards to do other things besides just shoot, and some other team could probably use Barnes in an actual role.
yean barnes/sochan could work in some situations, but probably not with a fox and castle/harper backcourt. i dont think we should just assume jeremy is going to be good enough to earn 25+ minutes. maybe he plays great and earns a spot ahead of collins, i dno. collins is expiring anyway, and if the goal of the deal includes getting off a year of keldon, thats not a horrible scenario anyway.

if collins' resurgence is real, then all it does is bring competition and thats not a bad thing. im not thinking about "oh no, but those are bryan's minutes" or "those are HB's minutes". if theyre good enough to earn them, the'll see the floor.

[SpursGenius]

A Coffee would be solid get. Need another shooter.

[spurraider21]

coffey is nice offensively but is a poor defender. better than branham, but thats about it

[Biggems]

How expensive would Horford be?

I would really like to take Kessler of Utah's hands.

[DPG21920]

This may be crazy, but the denizens of some fan website may just be wrong.

I’m ok with their path - I’m stating a fact as of now. It’s clear they like what they have and want to see it through. It’s understandable

[DPG21920]

They weren't going to play Sexton anymore, and they could see themselves playing Nurkic. The Jazz probably want to be facilitators more than buyers or sellers. Collins' huge contract could offer relief to a team selling in order to save on future salary during the season. That's why they'd want to keep him. Nurkic can play a similar role. I'd expect both to be bought out by the deadline if not moved earlier.



I don't think the Spurs want to keep Barnes if they don't think he's a starting PF. They'd want to move him to a team where he could keep his streak going. But even if they're willing to be the team that breaks the streak, I don't think they should want to keep him if they intend to get Collins. There's really not a place in the rotation for him outside of the starting PF. There aren't a ton of forward minutes, and there a many guys who could get them, including Wemby and Castle/Vassell. As end-of-bench depth, sure. But if they get Collins, Sochan and Bryant should be getting the bulk of the remaining minutes, with Keldon and/or Champagnie likely holding Bryant's place for the year.

All else being equal I’d rather have Collins not play than Keldon not play and get off 17m in 2nd year.

[spurraider21]

How expensive would Horford be?

I would really like to take Kessler of Utah's hands.
we just signed a backup C to a 40 million dollar deal, we're good man

[024]

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Pretty shitty list. spurs are probably done unless there is a trade, can't see the use in most of the remaining guys

How is Boucher? His advanced stats are decent and he would add some extra length, defense, and rebounding at the 4 without compromising the spacing.

Then add a third string center and spend the rest of the offseason pitching Keldon trade ideas.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjjI6_7NPg

[venitian navigator]

If Paul wants really tò be back in Phoenix, why dont Explore the chance of a trade exception or some players back from them (ex Fleming or Richards considering we still have big men spot available)?

[cutewizard]

Guys, did you notice what happened a while ago? the forum was inaccessible for some minutes........

[HankChinaski]

Looks like they want to run this team with the current wings under contract. Not the greatest outcome but overall spurs improved via draft and resolved the backup C. happy with that. Just frustrating as a fan but that is how this front office operates.

Now to go through summer league and preseason and then see how teams look near the trade deadline and see where the front office can squeeze into a deal bringing in assets or draft capital to make us more competitive and flexible

[baseline bum]

All else being equal I’d rather have Collins not play than Keldon not play and get off 17m in 2nd year.

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

[SpursFan86]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

2 things:

1) Most of the people who are against trading Vassell are still holding out hope he can look better in a different environment. He’s shown more flashes than Keldon and it’s not insane to think he can be a better defender or more efficient if he takes a smaller role. Not saying it’s a guarantee, but some people (and seemingly the Spurs) will take that bet.

2) Vassell at least has more use to this current roster. Let’s say we move Vassell for Collins…we replace one shooter (yes, I know he’s not lights out but you at least have to guard him on the perimeter) with another. We would then be down to just 3 guards that are actually relevant and be stuck with a million guys who really need to play the 3 or 4.

It’s not that I’m thrilled with Vassell’s contract or think it’s a total non-issue. It’s just not to the point where I’m willing to pretty much give him up for nothing. With Keldon I’d gladly give it up for next to nothing and even attach a couple of SRPs in the process.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

we get it, you hate Vassell. You don't have to remind us 3 times per day

[DPG21920]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.

Who said that? I was one of the first here to say Dev appears to be odd man out and paid too much for what appears to be a serious risk of a reduced role.

But if other teams prefer a smaller deal would you keep Keldon just because they wont take Dev?

Keldon deal is a non issue but if he’s not playing and you can shed a year it makes sense

[Ice009]

2 things:

1) Most of the people who are against trading Vassell are still holding out hope he can look better in a different environment. He’s shown more flashes than Keldon and it’s not insane to think he can be a better defender or more efficient if he takes a smaller role. Not saying it’s a guarantee, but some people (and seemingly the Spurs) will take that bet.

2) Vassell at least has more use to this current roster. Let’s say we move Vassell for Collins…we replace one shooter (yes, I know he’s not lights out but you at least have to guard him on the perimeter) with another. We would then be down to just 3 guards that are actually relevant and be stuck with a million guys who really need to play the 3 or 4.

It’s not that I’m thrilled with Vassell’s contract or think it’s a total non-issue. It’s just not to the point where I’m willing to pretty much give him up for nothing. With Keldon I’d gladly give it up for next to nothing and even attach a couple of SRPs in the process.

I agree with this 100%. I'm just on that side of the fence by 60% still willing to give him a chance. If the Spurs can trade him and get someone that fits better, definitely do it, but if not, I still have a little bit of belief in him becoming a good role player for the Spurs. I think/feel the Spurs want to give him that chance. I certainly don't want to trade him by attaching assets to get rid of him. However, seeing the deals some of these guys like NAW got this offseason kind of hurts as I would have much rather had NAW for his salary or DFS for his salary than Devin. I just hope Devin can do something and reach some of that defensive potential and/or be a valuable off ball shooter/scorer he projected to be when he was first drafted. Plus he was coming off of injury and has a new role to adjust to. It looked like he was starting to play more defense towards the end of the season, but unfortunately that was without Victor and Fox in the lineup. Even if he does well, the Spurs can still trade him if they get a deal they like. He would also be more appealing to teams if he does play better.

I also wonder how good of friends he and Victor are as someone mentioned Devin was in France (I assume he was staying with Victor?) when the Spurs announced the new sponsorship deal and people thought he might be getting trading as no one had seen him around at all.

[Dex]

Guys, did you notice what happened a while ago? the forum was inaccessible for some minutes........

The hamster stepped away to get a coffee

[Mr. Body]

If this site goes down how will the FO know what to do?

[Seventyniner]

If Paul wants really tò be back in Phoenix, why dont Explore the chance of a trade exception or some players back from them (ex Fleming or Richards considering we still have big men spot available)?

Can Paul to PHO and Kornet to SA can be structured as a three-team deal with them being S&T'd, or two simultaneous two-team deals, where BOS ends up with a trade exception in the end? They probably would never use it cause they want to shed salary but at least they get something out of the deal.

[LeBowen]

Keldon's contract isn't an issue, but him being a part of the rotation is because he's outlived his purpose.
He was effective only when he got the ball and could attack the paint in certain matchups, but even that was random most of the time as he always tunnel visions on his drives.
With the addition of Harper, Keldon can't have the ball and him being a poor shooter makes him completely useless. Not to mention that he's arguably the worst defender on the team.
Him being the longest tenured player on the team probably means he won't start getting DNPs, meaning everyone will have to adjust to an awful player who's a net negative on both ends of the floor.

Vassell on the other hand has become a high risk contract. Right now he probably has neutral value and the takes of Spurs trying to get his value back up are reasonable.
The thing is that the chance of his value going down are just as big and if he has another poor season then we'll be stuck with a negative contract that has 3 years left.
There's very no cap space around the league and better players than Devin are getting worse contracts.
As for his basketball fit, trying to re-develop a score first, iso shot creator into an off the ball catch and shoot player isn't as easy as it seems. He's a rythm player and isn't used to not having the ball.
His size is also an issue because it negates all the size advantage Castle and Harper have over guards by pushing them down to match up with SFs.

Right now the most likely starting lineup is Fox/Vassell/Castle/Barnes/Wemby. How do we even make that work without having awful matchups on defense?
Castle is the point of attack defender, meaning one of Fox/Vassell will be stuck guarding a SF, not to mention that Barnes will get overwhelmed in most matchups.
You might say that we should start Sochan instead of Vassell or Barnes, but then our spacing gets fucked with Castle/Sochan duo, barring some miraculous improvement in their 3pt shooting over the summer.

I want Keldon and Devin gone because I'm scared we'll be the victims of trying to keep everyone happy for another year and that our lineups won't be based on merit, but contract size and tenure.
Modern basketball is about creating lineups with 5 players that fit together well and not about playing 5 best individuals.

Look no further from the end of 23-24 season when we were garbage, Devin/Keldon/Jeremy got shut down for tanking purposes, then we finished the season 4-4 with Champagnie and Mamu playing major roles because they fit better with Wemby.
Same happened in 24-25 season, Devin and Jeremy were injured, only for CP3/Castle/Champ/Barnes/Wemby lineup to look very good. Then things went downhill when those two recovered.

We need two 6'7-6'10 wings who can shoot the 3pt well starting alongside our ballhandlers, it's as simple as that.
If Bryant's shot translates to the NBA and he's not a negative on defense, he'll already be our best wing as a rookie.

[Ariel]

I don't understand wanting to get off Keldon's salary when it doesn't hurt the team since it expires before Wemby's extension starts, but not wanting to get off Vassell's four year deal which badly hurts the team and makes it a pain to sign Castle.
Moving Vassell is probably going to be a lot more costly given his contract, unless he takes a leap this year. But if an opportunity arises from a team that doesn't see him as a negative contract, then Spurs should take it. On the other hand, I have less faith in Keldon making any improvements, but his contract being a lot shorter means that, for trade purposes, he's almost an expiring next season, so he's more palatable for any team taking him, similarly to what happened with Zach Collins in the Fox trade. So, at least in my case, that's where I see trying to rehab Vassell's value makes sense, not because I love him long term, but because otherwise I don't think it's likely the Spurs can move him without added assets in this environment where an NBA finalist prefers to let go their starting center with a highly coveted archetype (floor spacing rim protector) rather than paying him over 20 million a year.

[spurraider21]

Vassell on the other hand has become a high risk contract. Right now he probably has neutral value and the takes of Spurs trying to get his value back up are reasonable.
The thing is that the chance of his value going down are just as big and if he has another poor season then we'll be stuck with a negative contract that has 3 years left.
i think i agree with Chinook that the spurs arent looking for ways to move off vassell or time is value. they want to see him through. sure, the durant opportunity would have you consider moves you otherwise wouldnt, but i dont see them urgently looking to offload their only capable movement shooters right now

[baseline bum]

2 things:

1) Most of the people who are against trading Vassell are still holding out hope he can look better in a different environment. He’s shown more flashes than Keldon and it’s not insane to think he can be a better defender or more efficient if he takes a smaller role. Not saying it’s a guarantee, but some people (and seemingly the Spurs) will take that bet.

2) Vassell at least has more use to this current roster. Let’s say we move Vassell for Collins…we replace one shooter (yes, I know he’s not lights out but you at least have to guard him on the perimeter) with another. We would then be down to just 3 guards that are actually relevant and be stuck with a million guys who really need to play the 3 or 4.

It’s not that I’m thrilled with Vassell’s contract or think it’s a total non-issue. It’s just not to the point where I’m willing to pretty much give him up for nothing. With Keldon I’d gladly give it up for next to nothing and even attach a couple of SRPs in the process.

Meh Primo showed flashes more recently than Vassell. I'm at the point where I give up Vassell for anything that could be a positive on this roster. I can't believe they're not trying to move that bum for Collins when Utah wants him gone.

[baseline bum]

we get it, you hate Vassell. You don't have to remind us 3 times per day

You disagree the tank core needs to be purged just like every team that goes from awful to good does? Vassell is a loser paid like a good third option and the thing he is supposed to be best at he's just a cunt hair above league average.

[Biggems]

we just signed a backup C to a 40 million dollar deal, we're good man

Doesn't mean we can't add more depth. Okc has 3 7fters. Denver has some size as does PHX. Houston has big depth. Dallas has big depth.

[Dverde]

Doesn't mean we can't add more depth. Okc has 3 7fters. Denver has some size as does PHX. Houston has big depth. Dallas has big depth.

I assumed Bassey would be the added depth at Center. He’s solid for that purpose.

[cutewizard]

Bassey or Biyombo?

[exstatic]

I assumed Bassey would be the added depth at Center. He’s solid for that purpose.

Fucker can’t stay healthy. He’s got the knees of a 70s era NFL running back. If we’re talking 3rd stringer, sign me up for Biyambo.

[Chinook]

i think i agree with Chinook that the spurs arent looking for ways to move off vassell or time is value. they want to see him through. sure, the durant opportunity would have you consider moves you otherwise wouldnt, but i dont see them urgently looking to offload their only capable movement shooters right now

This is the first season in a while that Vassell isn't expected to be one of the top play-makers on the team. He takes so many poor "superstar" shots. Fox is by far the best PG he's played with. There is reason to hope that his efficiency increases with better quality shots and lesser defensive attention. He doesn't have to succeed as a star to be a good player, and hopefully the Spurs recognize that and take that attitude going forward rather than letting him run loose.

[RC_Drunkford]

You disagree the tank core needs to be purged just like every team that goes from awful to good does? Vassell is a loser paid like a good third option and the thing he is supposed to be best at he's just a cunt hair above league average.

no but I‘m not attaching assets to move them. And if you break up the friendship crew you start with Keldon and Branham. I‘m sure you will remind us again in a few hours how Vassell has to get traded right now.

[MannyIsGod]

This is the first season in a while that Vassell isn't expected to be one of the top play-makers on the team. He takes so many poor "superstar" shots. Fox is by far the best PG he's played with. There is reason to hope that his efficiency increases with better quality shots and lesser defensive attention. He doesn't have to succeed as a star to be a good player, and hopefully the Spurs recognize that and take that attitude going forward rather than letting him run loose.

I do agree with this. Especially if Mitch is going to be a freed coach with Pop out. If he's just going to be Pop v 2.0 then I don't think I have much hope for that.

[scottspurs]

I’m starting to think the final two roster spots will go to Riley Minix and Charles Bassey. I wouldn’t be surprised if they both signed already and we don’t hear about it until July 6th.

[spurraider21]

This is the first season in a while that Vassell isn't expected to be one of the top play-makers on the team. He takes so many poor "superstar" shots. Fox is by far the best PG he's played with. There is reason to hope that his efficiency increases with better quality shots and lesser defensive attention. He doesn't have to succeed as a star to be a good player, and hopefully the Spurs recognize that and take that attitude going forward rather than letting him run loose.
tbh i mostly hope vassell recognizes that

[Leetonidas]

I do agree with this. Especially if Mitch is going to be a freed coach with Pop out. If he's just going to be Pop v 2.0 then I don't think I have much hope for that.

This is what I'm really curious to see, whether Mitch's coaching last season was truly his own and we'll see more of the same or if he'll be able to do his own thing next season. Would really prefer the Popovich pecking order bullshit to be done with and just play the guys and rotations that make the most sense. Hopefully he does which should mean not defaulting to giving the friendship crew guaranteed minutes

[baseline bum]

no but I‘m not attaching assets to move them. And if you break up the friendship crew you start with Keldon and Branham. I‘m sure you will remind us again in a few hours how Vassell has to get traded right now.

Keldon and Branham suck but their contracts aren't bad so it's not a priority to find some sucker to take them like it is Vassell.

[baseline bum]

This is the first season in a while that Vassell isn't expected to be one of the top play-makers on the team. He takes so many poor "superstar" shots. Fox is by far the best PG he's played with. There is reason to hope that his efficiency increases with better quality shots and lesser defensive attention. He doesn't have to succeed as a star to be a good player, and hopefully the Spurs recognize that and take that attitude going forward rather than letting him run loose.

He does have to play defense to be a good player and I'm not very confident about that happening.

[DPG21920]

Dev as a 3 for Spurs > Keldon as a 3 for spurs. Both on shooting and defense

[LeBowen]

He does have to play defense to be a good player and I'm not very confident about that happening.

Even if Vassell magically develops into an efficent player and becomes solid on defense, we'd still be giving up size and it wouldn't be worth it.

Two man lineups, at least 300 minutes played together, sorted by NETRG.

Vassell:
https://i.imgur.com/FajZzFs.png

Champagnie:
https://i.imgur.com/KsOecbg.png

Not a single positive NETRTG for Vassell, with best ratings obviously being with two best defenders.
On the other hand, Champ who's obviously an individually worse player has way better ratings because he's an above average shooter and has enough size to not be exploited on defense.

[Robz4000]

:lmao Knicks

[LeBowen]

:lmao Knicks


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rFlZs8iOQ8I

Turn the fucking jets on. :lmao

NBA coaching circle is a sect, tbh. People just keep falling upwards.

[baseline bum]

:lmao Knicks

Are we really one to laugh with our coaching situation? :lol

[scott]

I’m starting to think the final two roster spots will go to Riley Minix and Charles Bassey. I wouldn’t be surprised if they both signed already and we don’t hear about it until July 6th.

Minix would disappoint me, tbh. He hasn't done anything to warrant a full roster spot. Maybe he will eventually, but a two-way to start the year seems far more appropriate. I hope we use that last spot on someone a little more capable of stepping in if called upon. A vet min guard wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Also hope we bring in some guys to compete with Bran and Wesley's last roster spot. Waiving one them in camp if they get beat out won't impact anything... though I was also surprised Flynn wasn't kept over one of them last camp.

[scott]

Not a single positive NETRTG for Vassell, with best ratings obviously being with two best defenders.
On the other hand, Champ who's obviously an individually worse player has way better ratings because he's an above average shooter and has enough size to not be exploited on defense.

I remember at one point last year I pulled some data and it showed that Vassell's on-offs made every single rotation player on the Spurs worse off :lol

Obviously that needs to change. We'll see.

[scott]

Looks like most of the fun is over. Time to sit back and relax while we see if any major trades materialize around the league. I'm hoping the LeBron situation gets spicy.

[cd98]

Minix would disappoint me, tbh. He hasn't done anything to warrant a full roster spot. Maybe he will eventually, but a two-way to start the year seems far more appropriate. I hope we use that last spot on someone a little more capable of stepping in if called upon. A vet min guard wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

Also hope we bring in some guys to compete with Bran and Wesley's last roster spot. Waiving one them in camp if they get beat out won't impact anything... though I was also surprised Flynn wasn't kept over one of them last camp.

Minix is a sniper 3 point shooter. If he can just keep up athletically with NBA players, he should be on a roster. Sniper shooters give great spacing. It's worth investing in a sniper to see if they can do enough of the other things to be on the court.

[RC_Drunkford]

I do agree with this. Especially if Mitch is going to be a freed coach with Pop out. If he's just going to be Pop v 2.0 then I don't think I have much hope for that.

that's what we got Sweeney for. He's not emotionally attached to any of these bums on our roster, so I hope him being lead assistant will lead to getting rid of dead weight

[scott]

Minix is a sniper 3 point shooter. If he can just keep up athletically with NBA players, he should be on a roster. Sniper shooters give great spacing. It's worth investing in a sniper to see if they can do enough of the other things to be on the court.

You can invest in this so-called sniper with another 2-way contract. He's restricted, and zero NBA teams are knocking down his door to offer him a full NBA deal. There is no reason to rush to use one of our full roster spots on him right now.

[Robz4000]

Are we really one to laugh with our coaching situation? :lol

With the assistant coach hirings the Spurs have made I'm cautiously optimistic tbh.

[BackHome]

Assistant coach only can do so much Mitch has to come out game 1 if you don’t play defense you will not play.

[Bruno]

Last season, Mitch decided to bench Zollins, who had $35M left on his contract, to go with Bassey. If Spurs' rotations don't work with Keldon, I think Mitch will put him also on the bench.

[ChumpDumper]

I’m starting to think the final two roster spots will go to Riley Minix and Charles Bassey. I wouldn’t be surprised if they both signed already and we don’t hear about it until July 6th.Bassey makes sense if MATFO thinks he can make it through a season; otherwise there are plenty of candidates out there. I wouldn't be surprised if the last spot stays open until training camp unless there is some breakout performer in SL.

[MannyIsGod]

I do wonder if they try to extend Champ. Would be good to lock him in long term at a low rate. He's on a great contract right now, but if you can lock him up long term then I would be happy.

[Seventyniner]

that's what we got Sweeney for. He's not emotionally attached to any of these bums on our roster, so I hope him being lead assistant will lead to getting rid of dead weight

Dead weight in the rotation by giving them less minutes, sure. I doubt MATFO would let a newcomer like Sweeney help with roster decisions right away.

[CGD]

I do wonder if they try to extend Champ. Would be good to lock him in long term at a low rate. He's on a great contract right now, but if you can lock him up long term then I would be happy.

So basically the Spurs are done, right?

The next pieces of business are the Fox and Sochan extensions in late Summer early Fall.

[SpursBills]

I do wonder if they try to extend Champ. Would be good to lock him in long term at a low rate. He's on a great contract right now, but if you can lock him up long term then I would be happy.

Presti has a habit of declining or re-negotiating the last year of a cheap contract for a valuable role player and then giving him a longer term deal that is still an underpay but more in line with that player's talents. It's a good tactic that makes the player feel valued while locking him up on a value contract for a longer period of time

He did it for Dort and recently Jaylen Williams, hoping that Wright does this with Champagnie

[Degoat]

Bring back the Latvian Laser Davis Bertans, we went downhill ever since we traded him away for nothing lol

[poopbox]

If this site goes down how will the FO know what to do?

Disconnected their phones and went on vacation 19 seconds after signing Kornet tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I do wonder if they try to extend Champ. Would be good to lock him in long term at a low rate. He's on a great contract right now, but if you can lock him up long term then I would be happy.


Presti has a habit of declining or re-negotiating the last year of a cheap contract for a valuable role player and then giving him a longer term deal that is still an underpay but more in line with that player's talents. It's a good tactic that makes the player feel valued while locking him up on a value contract for a longer period of time

He did it for Dort and recently Jaylen Williams, hoping that Wright does this with Champagnie

They can do this but next summer, because his contract is guaranteed for next season. Team option for '26-'27.

Technically he's extension eligible, but it would be off of a cheap 3M contract and he's unlikely to accept it.

[RC_Drunkford]

I hope they don't plan to resign Bassey as the 3rd center. We all know he will only be available for 30 games. I don't want to see another season of Sochan playing back up center when Wemby is out for rest.

[ChumpDumper]

I hope they don't plan to resign Bassey as the 3rd center. We all know he will only be available for 30 games. I don't want to see another season of Sochan playing back up center when Wemby is out for rest.It would be OK but then they should really use the last two way on a guy like Mensah or Diallo if/when Bassey breaks again.

[Leetonidas]

I hope they don't plan to resign Bassey as the 3rd center. We all know he will only be available for 30 games. I don't want to see another season of Sochan playing back up center when Wemby is out for rest.

Same. Would rather keep Biyombo as an emergency third C

[RC_Drunkford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu0A8T7W0AAKRfZ?format=jpg&name=large

[scott]

Get this disrespectful SMUT out of here RC_Drunkford, there could be kids watching

[BatManu20]

Hopefully go chooses the Pacers tbh. Fuck the lakers.

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[Mr. Body]

Pacers can pay more I think.

[Mugen]

I want him to go the Lakers tbh. LeBron would kill him by the end of training camp.

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs don't upgrade they might just want to have as much capspace as possible for 2026. Right now we only have 84 million in contracts on the books. Obviously the Fox and Sochan extension will have to be added into it. Let's say they only do Fox for 50, that would make it 134 million with the cap being at 165.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Same. Would rather keep Biyombo as an emergency third C
Biyombo wasn't all that bad last season. Aren't there any rumblings of the team re-signing the Mack?

[tonight...you]

If the Spurs don't upgrade they might just want to have as much capspace as possible for 2026. Right now we only have 84 million in contracts on the books. Obviously the Fox and Sochan extension will have to be added into it. Let's say they only do Fox for 50, that would make it 134 million with the cap being at 165.
If HoltCat Jr and co. are willing to spend and Wright times things... wright, they can spend money and then extend who they want to extend.

I think. I think I have that wright.

[spurraider21]

if pacers land ayton and warriors get horford, whats the lakers plan at center? re-sign Hayes?

i like hayes, just not as a full time starter

[Mugen]

if pacers land ayton and warriors get horford, whats the lakers plan at center? re-sign Hayes?

i like hayes, just not as a full time starter

Probably overpay for Kessler tbh

[CGD]

Probably overpay for Kessler tbh

They trade LBJ to Dallas for Livey, Gafford and a few seconds. Become Dallas West.

[Mr. Body]

if pacers land ayton and warriors get horford, whats the lakers plan at center? re-sign Hayes?

i like hayes, just not as a full time starter

Nick Richards

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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3m
Free agent guard Dante Exum has agreed to a one-year deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell ESPN. Exum considered two other contenders but returns to Dallas to share ball-handling duties to start the season with D'Angelo Russell

[spurraider21]

Exum has been a nice reclamation project for Dallas

[Splits]

Please let me see Ayton on the Lakers with Reddick. Shit will be a non stop hilarious shit storm all year

[RC_Drunkford]

If HoltCat Jr and co. are willing to spend and Wright times things... wright, they can spend money and then extend who they want to extend.

I think. I think I have that wright.

Yeah they could wait til the offseason with Fox and Sochan to resign them and have more cap space available. I doubt they will do that though.


Please let me see Ayton on the Lakers with Reddick. Shit will be a non stop hilarious shit storm all year

Fat Luka with Ayton not giving a fuck would be must see TV

[Seventyniner]

Please let me see Ayton on the Lakers with Reddick. Shit will be a non stop hilarious shit storm all year

Would be total Lakers Dwight Howard vibes.

[TD 21]

This is what I'm really curious to see, whether Mitch's coaching last season was truly his own and we'll see more of the same or if he'll be able to do his own thing next season. Would really prefer the Popovich pecking order bullshit to be done with and just play the guys and rotations that make the most sense. Hopefully he does which should mean not defaulting to giving the friendship crew guaranteed minutes

There isn't room to get the best/highest ceiling players commensurate minutes and play 10, so the rotation will more than likely be 9, with the final spot between Champagnie and Johnson.

They obviously need the former's superior 3 and D, so expect the latter to be phased out expeditiously.

Of course, he'd still be only one non C (not even in certain matchups) being inactive away from reentering the rotation, so he'll still play plenty.

[Dex]

Would be total Lakers Dwight Howard vibes.

Los Angeles media and fans would rip him apart

[Mugen]

Looks like it's going to be Ayton to the Lakers :lol

[LeBowen]

I'll be shocked if Lakers aren't the worst defensive team in the league next season, excluding teams that don't actually want to win games.

[TimmyBuckets]

Anything more than Vassell, KJ, some dweeb like Malakai, 4 picks is too much for Giannis. Castle and Harper are untouchable.

[Mugen]

Who's their best wing defender? Vando? Dude makes AD look like Cal Ripken tbh

[Mr. Body]

I'll be shocked if Lakers aren't the worst defensive team in the league next season, excluding teams that don't actually want to win games.

Their best defender by far will be 41 years old.

[RC_Drunkford]

I just hope LeBron stays there. Otherwise they might actually get good players in return.

[LeBowen]

Vando and Gabe Vincent are their only supposedly positive defenders.
The roster just doesn't fit. Reaves has to be moved to the bench because he can't play together with both Luka and Lebron, but they don't really have any reliable guards other than Vincent who's also nothing special.

I kind of feel bad for Luka. He won 2 series in 4 MVP level seasons, finally got a good team and made it to the finals right away, only to get traded to an awful roster that doesn't fit him at all.
Now he has to watch Lebron's retirement tour and hope the league gifts the Lakers another star player, because there's no other way for them to build a contender around him.
If he's serious about winning, he won't sign an extension this summer, there will be a lot of better options for him in free agency.


I just hope LeBron stays there. Otherwise they might actually get good players in return.

We need to be one step ahead and offer Devin+Keldon+Branham for Lebron, tbh. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

this could be Russell Westbrook level funny

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[LeBowen]

this could be Russell Westbrook level funny

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https://preview.redd.it/never-forget-v0-1f2jx8u0w9af1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&4de905ce
https://i.imgur.com/ZiQCAvv.jpeg

This is not a meme, but an actual thing that happened.

[Leetonidas]

I feel like LeBron is going to be on a different team next season tbh

Vassell/Keldon for LeBron, get it done Brian

[RC_Drunkford]

https://preview.redd.it/never-forget-v0-1f2jx8u0w9af1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&4de905ce
https://i.imgur.com/ZiQCAvv.jpeg

This is not a meme, but an actual thing that happened.

yeah I heard about that. He got snowed in his house. Meanwhile all other players were on time :lol

[Mr. Body]

I feel like LeBron is going to be on a different team next season tbh

Vassell/Keldon for LeBron, get it done Brian

Yup. This is what they're working on. Why the Spurs have been cozying up with Klutch.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Luka, old Lebron, Reaves, and Ayton on the same defense is going to be hilarious this season :lol

[BatManu20]

Ayton to the Lakers

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[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
·
51s
BREAKING: Deandre Ayton has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell ESPN. Between Portland and L.A., Ayton will earn $34 million next season. Agents Nima Namakian of Innovate Sports and Bill Duffy of WME Sports reached the deal with Lakers president Rob Pelinka.

[Mr. Body]

DominAYTON

[exstatic]

I feel like LeBron is going to be on a different team next season tbh

Vassell/Keldon for LeBron, get it done Brian

I never want to see that name on the back of a a spurs jersey.

[exstatic]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
·
51s
BREAKING: Deandre Ayton has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell ESPN. Between Portland and L.A., Ayton will earn $34 million next season. Agents Nima Namakian of Innovate Sports and Bill Duffy of WME Sports reached the deal with Lakers president Rob Pelinka.

This will be reality TV level stuff.

[BatManu20]

Mavs and Cavs are the heavy betting favorites to land Labron if* he were to be traded.

[spurraider21]

2 year deal for ayton per fischer

[spursistan]

1940319741559914659
Have you seen the recent Rich Paul comments. It really sounded like a soft launch for a trade request. Lebron to Knicks (for KAT) or Miami wouldn't shock me (Cavs reportedly not interested)..He and his team smell blood: With the East in shambles, that's one last free ride to the Finals in his retirement tour.

[Mr. Body]

Ayton
Keldon
Vassel
Whatever
Doncic

[scott]

Lakes probably should be looking to trade Reaves this offseason... will be a team to watch re: him and Bron of course

[RC_Drunkford]

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[exstatic]

1940319741559914659

It would be hilarious if LeBron forced his way out, they traded Teaves, and Luka walks next summer anyway. He really should regardless of other player activities. They have shit for picks to build around him.

[LeBowen]

Lakes probably should be looking to trade Reaves this offseason... will be a team to watch re: him and Bron of course

What's even his value? Reaves on just $14M is a great deal, but he's got the player option and is an expiring contract for all intents and purposes.
He'll ask for big money next summer, Reaves for $30M a year isn't even close to being worth it.

[spurraider21]

2 years and something close to 8.5 each year, with year 2 being a player option

[scott]

What's even his value? Reaves on just $14M is a great deal, but he's got the player option and is an expiring contract for all intents and purposes.
He'll ask for big money next summer, Reaves for $30M a year isn't even close to being worth it.

Yeah... tough situation and valuation, but if I'm the Lakers I'd try to move him for whatever better fitting pieces I can now. They made for Luka, they should in theory should be doing everything in their power to mold the team around him.

Of course, I'll be happy to watch them fumble the ball instead.

[spurraider21]

What's even his value? Reaves on just $14M is a great deal, but he's got the player option and is an expiring contract for all intents and purposes.
He'll ask for big money next summer, Reaves for $30M a year isn't even close to being worth it.
i was the biggest reaves fan here a couple of years ago, but yeah he's going to justifiably demand a ton and no longer worth it for us

[RC_Drunkford]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gu4jo-KX0AAUxvT?format=jpg&name=medium

[BatManu20]

1940476711139004773

That's a fake account lol.

[mo7888]

Mavs and Cavs are the heavy betting favorites to land Labron if* he were to be traded.

I can see Dallas, but it's hard to see a trade the cavs would be willing to make...

[spursistan]

Doncic must be cursing Nico Harrison night & day. Cost him 120 millions and the precious years of his peak/prime where he would be winning Championships and MVPs..

[CGD]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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51s
BREAKING: Deandre Ayton has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell ESPN. Between Portland and L.A., Ayton will earn $34 million next season. Agents Nima Namakian of Innovate Sports and Bill Duffy of WME Sports reached the deal with Lakers president Rob Pelinka.

Ayton’s team played this well. Leveraging Lakers’ desperation.

[RC_Drunkford]

That's a fake account lol.

damn I got Scam Charania'd :lol

[BatManu20]

I can see Dallas, but it's hard to see a trade the cavs would be willing to make...

Gafford, Klay, PJ Washington + another filler contract gets it done. Dallas would be sacrificing their 2 best shooters (outside of Kyrie) and depth for a 1-2 year rental of old Lebron. Might be worth it for them though tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Gafford, Klay, PJ Washington + another filler contract gets it done. Dallas would be sacrificing their 2 best shooters for a 1-2 year rental of old Lebron.

Forcing LeBron to play with DeAngelo Russell again would be hilarious.

[mo7888]

Gafford, Klay, PJ Washington + another filler contract gets it done. Dallas would be sacrificing their 2 best shooters (outside of Kyrie) for a 1-2 year rental of old Lebron. Might be worth it for them though tbh.

Yea...Dallas can get it done if they want too..

[BatManu20]

Should've been a Spur tbh :cry. Now I gotta hate this dude.

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[LeBowen]

Doncic must be cursing Nico Harrison night & day. Cost him 120 millions and the precious years of his peak/prime where he would be winning Championships and MVPs..

If he agrees to an extension this summer, then he doesn't have winning as his biggest priority.
He's got all the leverage and should leave if they they can't build a competitive team around him.

Heat will be able to offer him a max with just Bam, Herro and Ware on the payroll. They also own all of their picks but one.
I expect Dragic to make some phone calls, it's a no brainer decision considering how stacked the West will be.

[Guru of Nothing]

Presti has a habit of declining or re-negotiating the last year of a cheap contract for a valuable role player and then giving him a longer term deal that is still an underpay but more in line with that player's talents. It's a good tactic that makes the player feel valued while locking him up on a value contract for a longer period of time

He did it for Dort and recently Jaylen Williams, hoping that Wright does this with Champagnie

Did we do something similar with Tre Johnson a couple of years ago with the 2yrs/$20M deal? ...or maybe his was after an expired deal? I can't remember shit anymore.

[BatManu20]

Mavs if they traded for Lebron wold look something like:

Kyrie / Exum
Christie / Grimes
Flagg / Naji Marshall
Lebron / Caleb Martin
AD / Lively

Would be a weird team tbh. But it might be worth it for them to go all in on Lebron for 1-2 years.

[BatManu20]

Lakers reportedly strongly pursuing Al Horford now in Free Agency.

[LeBowen]

Vogel moving to an assistant role with the Mavs, probably taking Sweeney's job.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lakers reportedly strongly pursuing Al Horford now in Free Agency.

I think he'll rather go to the Warriors. He can start there.

[Mr. Body]

Lakers reportedly strongly pursuing Al Horford now in Free Agency.

Get some young, fresh legs on that team.

[RC_Drunkford]

if that's all it takes, the Spurs should offer him the same

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[exstatic]

Mavs and Cavs are the heavy betting favorites to land Labron if* he were to be traded.

Cavs can’t. They are hard capped at the second apron, and cannot aggregate salaries to match his.

[Seventyniner]

if that's all it takes, the Spurs should offer him the same

I would love his veteran leadership and ability to space the floor as a big, but he's really a full-time C now and wouldn't get all that many minutes here.

[LeBowen]

if that's all it takes, the Spurs should offer him the same

It would be really spineless for him to go to subpar Lakers team as a Celtics fan favorite.
It's not like they're offering money or legit contention and he got his ring already.

[BackHome]

Curious the Kings are having issues moving people, Monk an Roz but have issues with trades. I would not mind helping to facilitate if we could get Devin Carter​, as he can easily replace Blake and is a better defender and rebounder and shooter.

[tbdog]

Why Devin Carter? We already have two developing guards on this roster that's going to be much higher on the pecking board.

[Gandalf]

Should've been a Spur tbh :cry. Now I gotta hate this dude.

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It’s much more likely we’ll end up pitying him. Dallas has no assets to build around him for the foreseeable future.

[mystargtr34]

Posted this in the other thread, Horford as the starting 4 and 25MPG would be solid.

Bostons third and fourth most used lineups last year was with Kornet-Horford and Porzingis-Horford and both had +10 net ratings.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?slug=advanced&SeasonType=Regular+Season&TeamID=1610612738

[mystargtr34]

The Kornet-Horford lineup with Sam Hauser and Pritchard in it played 117 minutes and allowed just 101 points per 100 possessions.

[quentin_compson]

You guys realize that no one can really "trade for" LeBron the normal way since he has a no trade clause, right?

[RC_Drunkford]

if Lillard goes to Minnesota...

[ambchang]

Not sure if Lillard to the mavs work but that would be a pretty decent fit.

[poopbox]

if Lillard goes to Minnesota...

To do what...rehab?

[scott]

Should've been a Spur tbh :cry. Now I gotta hate this dude.

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Ace Bailey rightfully took a lot of flack for following bad advice, but whomever is advising Cooper Flagg on his facial hair also deserves plenty of criticism.

[mystargtr34]

Dames going to be 36 by the time 26-27 season starts coming off an Achilles. He might be done as even a net positive player.

[mystargtr34]

Ace Bailey rightfully took a lot of flack for following bad advice, but whomever is advising Cooper Flagg on his facial hair also deserves plenty of criticism.

Yea that facial hair is a felony in a few states. He’s starting to look like that Las Vegas mass shooter.