2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[scott]

With mo's encouragement, it was time for a 2025 NBA Offseason Thread, since a lot of non-Spurs offseason talk is getting lost in other threads (such as the around the league thread).

Here's a place for all the talk about what's going around the league this offseason.

Side note - if you haven't checked out Part 1 of the Dunc'd On Podcast Mock Offseason, it's free and entertaining. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0hMhNadrZeexpYJ6UxJbr3?si=c6f4d00fd90f4869 Part II is for subscribers, which I personally don't think is worth $20/month. But I am fan of this format of Mock Offseason that Duncan and Pelton do. Spoiler Alert: KD doesn't go to the Spurs.

[CGD]

With mo's encouragement, it was time for a 2025 NBA Offseason Thread, since a lot of non-Spurs offseason talk is getting lost in other threads (such as the around the league thread).

Here's a place for all the talk about what's going around the league this offseason.

Side note - if you haven't checked out Part 1 of the Dunc'd On Podcast Mock Offseason, it's free and entertaining. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0hMhNadrZeexpYJ6UxJbr3?si=c6f4d00fd90f4869 Part II is for subscribers, which I personally don't think is worth $20/month. But I am fan of this format of Mock Offseason that Duncan and Pelton do. Spoiler Alert: KD doesn't go to the Spurs.

Good flag. Thos mock offseasons were awesome. Used to listen religiously before he went behind a paywall.

[scott]

For the official record of this thread:

HOU acquires Kevin Durant from PHO for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 and 5 SRPs.

[Mr. Body]

My priorities are getting some bigs.

Even if Wembanyama stays healthy though the year, and I'm going to be optimistic, he's going to miss games and we also just need good backups. If there's someone who meshes with him, then fantastic.

It's not the only type I'm looking for at #14, but at this point I hope a Sorber is there. Then use money to get those Aldama types. My goal is something like a good somewhat traditional center with good passing and IQ and/or a brute type like Andre Drummond and then that PF type who can hit threes.

If they can somehow snake Renaud with the SRP then that's excellent.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/gR7EqNcVcIw?feature=shared

Trade Vassell with 14th pick for two Nets picks
Draft Harper, Sorber, Powell
Sign NAW
Sign Taurean Prince
Trade Keldon, Sochan, future 1st for Herb Jones (if this can’t be done, then just hope Sochan becomes half the player Herb is and start him)

NAW and Powell will be our version of Caruso and Dort

Fox/ Wesley
Harper/ NAW
Castle/ Julian/ Powell
H. Jones/ T. Prince
Wemby/ Sorber

Top defensive team in the NBA next season, IMO

[scott]

The offseason is REALLY here now... let's the madness begin!

What's the over/under on deals before the draft starts on Wednesday?

[poopbox]

Wonder what the Spurs pivot to now because even though it seems like they didn't offer much for KD I feel like they probably thought they were getting KD. This is the first thing in a long time that hasn't fallen in their lap so I am interested to see what kind of deals they can do when the other team isn't bending over to get fucked like the Kings or random mana from heaven isn't falling in their face like the Wemby and Harper picks. Even the Castle pick fell in their lap cause he was the obvious pick at 4.

[rascal]

Wonder what the Spurs pivot to now because even though it seems like they didn't offer much for KD I feel like they probably thought they were getting KD. This is the first thing in a long time that hasn't fallen in their lap so I am interested to see what kind of deals they can do when the other team isn't bending over to get fucked like the Kings or random mana from heaven isn't falling in their face like the Wemby and Harper picks. Even the Castle pick fell in their lap cause he was the obvious pick at 4.

They didn't even want KD. They never even made an official offer for KD.

What they pivot to is what they have planned all along. To make two draft picks at 2 and 14 and then acquire a couple more players to fill out the roster via a trade or fa signing.

[Mugen]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Brooklyn and OKC tries to consolidate their picks and move up tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Wonder what the Spurs pivot to now because even though it seems like they didn't offer much for KD I feel like they probably thought they were getting KD. This is the first thing in a long time that hasn't fallen in their lap so I am interested to see what kind of deals they can do when the other team isn't bending over to get fucked like the Kings or random mana from heaven isn't falling in their face like the Wemby and Harper picks. Even the Castle pick fell in their lap cause he was the obvious pick at 4.

They wanted Durant at a certain price and could have pushed in if they wanted to. People really need to recognize the significant risks of picking Durant up.

And no, Castle was definitely not the obvious pick at 4 last year. There was a lot of dispute here and among draft gurus and elsewhere about the pick.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

They wanted Durant at a certain price and could have pushed in if they wanted to. People really need to recognize the significant risks of picking Durant up.

And no, Castle was definitely not the obvious pick at 4 last year. There was a lot of dispute here and among draft gurus and elsewhere about the pick.

True true

[scott]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Brooklyn and OKC tries to consolidate their picks and move up tbh.

Going to be especially watching what these two teams are up to. Some ideas that I have no real basis of believing will happen, but make sense to me:



BKN takes PG13 into their cap space for #3 but NOT for #8. Maybe it's PG + 3 to BKN for #19 + #26 + PHI's own pick (top 8 protected) in 2028 (there are some other swaps associated with this pick so it may be more complicated than I'm willing to figure out right now). BKN gets VJ at 3 and Ace drops all the way down to them at 8 while BKN can try to rehab PG13 in the hopes of being able to flip him at some point and if not, at least he helps them hit the salary floor. This also creates a massive TPE for PHI to potentially use in another move, maybe picking something up from BOS?
I'm looking for OKC to trade out of both of these picks, because they do not have any roster spots without any outright easy cuts. The cuts that would be most likely would be Dieng, who I don't think they are ready to give up on, or Ajay Mitchell, who I definitely don't think they want to lose.
If OKC doesn't do move out of both picks, I'm wondering if they try to cash in on Cason Wallace. He would be a nice pickup for Dallas in exchange for future draft capital. Can fill in at PG while Kyrie is rehabbing, and fits the "defense wins championships" approach Nico is talking about. Also young and gives a matchup with Flagg's timeline and can be a potential long term piece for Dallas. I've heard other moves like Jrue for Dallas... but I think Cason just makes more sense, and Dallas could just acquire him using one of their TPEs and then look to cut salary elsewhere.

[Robz4000]

With the Hali injury I think CP0 to Indy is a legit possibility. Also wanna see what Denver tries to do to improve.

[poopbox]

They didn't even want KD. They never even made an official offer for KD.

What they pivot to is what they have planned all along. To make two draft picks at 2 and 14 and then acquire a couple more players to fill out the roster via a trade or fa signing.

They most certaintly made an offer. Their are multiple reports that Phoenix was not happy with it. Not sure how Phoenix couldn't be happy with an offer than didn't exist.

[poopbox]

They wanted Durant at a certain price and could have pushed in if they wanted to. People really need to recognize the significant risks of picking Durant up.

And no, Castle was definitely not the obvious pick at 4 last year. There was a lot of dispute here and among draft gurus and elsewhere about the pick.

He was absolutely the obvious pick after Risacher, Sarr, and Shepperd were gone. Castle and those 3 were the top 4 picks in almost every mock draft leading up to the actual draft.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

I think the Spurs need to move that 2026 Spurs pick and the Hawks swap because the East look weak with Indiana, Boston and Milwaukee having key players out for most of the season.

[Mr. Body]

He was absolutely the obvious pick after Risacher, Sarr, and Shepperd were gone. Castle and those 3 were the top 4 picks in almost every mock draft leading up to the actual draft.

He was obvious to me. I had him #1. But, no, absolutely was this not the consensus whatsoever and it's grotesque revisionism to say so.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/RobMurrows/status/1936928911163551811

[spurraider21]

With the Hali injury I think CP0 to Indy is a legit possibility. Also wanna see what Denver tries to do to improve.
they need a PG that plays with pace though

[poopbox]

With the Hali injury I think CP0 to Indy is a legit possibility. Also wanna see what Denver tries to do to improve.

Every one of CP tendons would explode within 10 minutes of trying to play at the pace the pacers do.

I legit can't think of a worst point guard for them than an old point guard who doesn't want to play fast and literally can't play fast anymore.

I think there is a greater than 0% chance Paul doesn't sign with anyone and retires, unless his ego allows him to go sit on some teams bench and be a break in case of emergency player.

[Mugen]

With the Hali injury I think CP0 to Indy is a legit possibility. Also wanna see what Denver tries to do to improve.

Almost zero chance CP3 goes that far East. He's staying in LA IMO.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937223535384293629

[ace3g]

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937223944269865176

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KellyIko/status/1937226446604501303

[BacktoBasics]

I had no interest in anything from the Wizards but Middleton picked up his option. 33 million.

If they attach assets it might not be a bad rental and path to clear Keldon and scrubs out.

[ace3g]

The San Antonio Spurs are among several teams expected to have interest in Yabusele during free agency, league sources told HoopsHype.

Yabusele played on the French National Team that won a silver medal in the Paris 2024 Olympics with Spurs star Victor Wembanyama.

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1937229364103643472

[scott]

Thank you ace3g for delivering this thread its intended purpose

[ace3g]

Anytime

[Blizzardwizard]

He was absolutely the obvious pick after Risacher, Sarr, and Shepperd were gone. Castle and those 3 were the top 4 picks in almost every mock draft leading up to the actual draft.


yeah castle was basically chalk to SAS in every major mock draft after the lottery. nobody else was seriously mocked here at #4 from memory.

[SpursFan86]

Yabusele for the BAE wouldn’t be bad as long as we draft a legit center to go along with it.

[spurraider21]

Yabusele for the BAE wouldn’t be bad as long as we draft a legit center to go along with it.
he played a ton of center for philly last year but its possible that made him look worse than he is, as theres no real reason he shouldnt get by as a 4

[BatManu20]

The 6'8 260 lb. Frenchman avg'd 11/6/2 on 50/38/73 splits last season with Philadelphia. Would give the Spurs some frontcourt depth tbh.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuJ1Do_XMAAb_G5?format=png&name=medium


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[SpursFan86]

he played a ton of center for philly last year but its possible that made him look worse than he is, as theres no real reason he shouldnt get by as a 4

Yeah he has no real business playing center IMO. I’d probably rather prioritize wings who can play the 3 and 4 as opposed to a guy like Yabusele but if we’re just talking BAE-type money then he’d be a solid pickup.

Draft a wing at 14 (pick your favorite of Bryant, Coward or Clifford)
Trade 38 + future SRP to snag Kalkbrenner at the end of the 1st or early 2nd
Use MLE on a wing like NAW
Use BAE on Yabusele

Would be pretty much perfect offseason at this point if we’re ignoring trade scenarios that we almost know for certain the Spurs won’t do :lol

[scott]

Yabu would give us some of that throwback Antoine Carr/JR Reid/Charles Smith energy at PF that we had in the mid 90s, tbh.

I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing... but it's a vibe.

[scott]

Yeah he has no real business playing center IMO. I’d probably rather prioritize wings who can play the 3 and 4 as opposed to a guy like Yabusele but if we’re just talking BAE-type money then he’d be a solid pickup.

Draft a wing at 14 (pick your favorite of Bryant, Coward or Clifford)
Trade 38 + future SRP to snag Kalkbrenner at the end of the 1st or early 2nd
Use MLE on a wing like NAW
Use BAE on Yabusele

Would be pretty much perfect offseason at this point if we’re ignoring trade scenarios that we almost know for certain the Spurs won’t do :lol

Sounds like we've created quite the mess of our guard and wing rotations with this hypothetical offseason.

PG: Fox/Harper/Wesley
SG: Castle/Vassell/NAW
SF: Champ/Keldon/#14
PF: Barnes/Sochan/Yabu

I suppose it's some decent depth but sorting out a rotation would be tough (we must assume that MATFO is gonna give PoF their minutes)

[SpursFan86]

Sounds like we've created quite the mess of our guard and wing rotations with this hypothetical offseason.

PG: Fox/Harper/Wesley
SG: Castle/Vassell/NAW
SF: Champ/Keldon/#14
PF: Barnes/Sochan/Yabu

I suppose it's some decent depth but sorting out a rotation would be tough (we must assume that MATFO is gonna give PoF their minutes)

Fair...the real answer is consolidating a bit via trade but I'm not going to get my hopes up :lol

[scott]

Fair...the real answer is consolidating a bit via trade but I'm not going to get my hopes up :lol

Yeah... I'd like that to, but I'm going to start operating under the assumption that the PoF is going to be here and we should just accommodate for that. I'm starting to get bullish on some improvement from Devin based on these coaching hires, Jeremy is still on the Jeremy path and Keldon is a known quantity. I have serious concerns about Devin and Keldon sharing the court with one another... but into the great unknown we go!

[spurraider21]

Sounds like we've created quite the mess of our guard and wing rotations with this hypothetical offseason.

PG: Fox/Harper/Wesley
SG: Castle/Vassell/NAW
SF: Champ/Keldon/#14
PF: Barnes/Sochan/Yabu

I suppose it's some decent depth but sorting out a rotation would be tough (we must assume that MATFO is gonna give PoF their minutes)
i this having champagnie starting ahead of vassell is a bold assumption

Fox/Harper
Vassell/NAW
Castle/Champ/14
Barnes/Sochan/Yabu (yabu probably also plays some degree of 5)

[scott]

i this having champagnie starting ahead of vassell is a bold assumption

Fox/Harper
Vassell/NAW
Castle/Champ/14
Barnes/Sochan/Yabu (yabu probably also plays some degree of 5)

That's fine... but you left out Keldon!

[spurraider21]

That's fine... but you left out Keldon!
good

[SpursFan86]

Yeah... I'd like that to, but I'm going to start operating under the assumption that the PoF is going to be here and we should just accommodate for that. I'm starting to get bullish on some improvement from Devin based on these coaching hires, Jeremy is still on the Jeremy path and Keldon is a known quantity. I have serious concerns about Devin and Keldon sharing the court with one another... but into the great unknown we go!

For sure. Vassell in a smaller, more off-ball type role where he can hopefully focus more defensively is totally fine with me. You have to give Sochan another year with him barely being 22 years old. Barnes is a great shooter so I don't mind keeping him but he probably should be getting closer to 15-20 mpg as opposed to 25-30.

Keldon definitely seems like the odd man out. If you reduce Barnes's minutes and move Keldon, the logjam doesn't look nearly as bad.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sounds like we've created quite the mess of our guard and wing rotations with this hypothetical offseason.

PG: Fox/Harper/Wesley
SG: Castle/Vassell/NAW
SF: Champ/Keldon/#14
PF: Barnes/Sochan/Yabu

I suppose it's some decent depth but sorting out a rotation would be tough (we must assume that MATFO is gonna give PoF their minutes)

That’s why a trade would‘ve made sense. At least one forward gotta go.
Send Keldon out and bring on John Collins or Santi.

[Spurs Brazil]

Daniel Gafford intends to sign a 3-year contract extension worth nearly $60 million with Dallas, per ShamsCharania.

[scott]

You can stop including Gaff in your trade fantasies.

https://i.redd.it/f6myamsmjr8f1.png

[Leetonidas]

:lol AD really doesn't want to play center

[TD 21]

As much as the league is shifting back to positional size and more two big alignments, Davis as a full time four and Flagg as a full time three is too retro to be tenable offensively, especially with their limited back court creation (and going on 34 by his expected mid season return, post torn ACL Irving isn't single handedly fixing it).

It only makes sense if if makes him more valuable as an in season trade asset.

[scott]

Reporting is that Gafford's extension is sized in a way that makes it immediately trade eligible. I'm not familiar with those rules, but I believe the people saying it.

[T Park]

Almost zero chance CP3 goes that far East. He's staying in LA IMO.

Eh i could see Lakers.

Hes going to have suitors, he showed he can play an entire season, with a better rounded roster theres times you can hide him, just needs his minutes limited.

Would fit with the lakers Dallas or Indiana.


If I was CP3, id go to Indiana. Well rounded team. Great shot at the finals if some improvements on The margins by Mathurin etc are made.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937354255863578963

[poopbox]

Adams got 13 million a year

Gafford got 20

For the people saying we need to get a big in free agency, even though it's just a backup one, it's not going to be cheap.

Any player who has any history of defending the rim probably costing you 10 mil a year.

I saw some people on here thinking we could get somebody like Capela for super cheap. Highly unlikely.

[poopbox]

Reporting is that Gafford's extension is sized in a way that makes it immediately trade eligible. I'm not familiar with those rules, but I believe the people saying it.

Issue is that it sort of sets the market for what you going to pay for bigs, which I think is higher than people probably thought. Few years ago you could get decent bigs for less than MLE money.

[spurraider21]

:lol holiday back to Portland is hilarious

[mystargtr34]

Did not have Simons to the Celtics for Jrue on my bingo card.

Interesting move.

[Eaglenole2002]

Why would anyone want Holliday’s contract, let alone throw in picks with an expiring contract?

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937356139374518672

[Leetonidas]

What a random trade. Idk why Portland did this unless they want a mentor for Scoot that badly

[mystargtr34]

Yeah taking on 3 years and just over $100M for a breaking down 35yo Jrue Holiday seems weird for Portland. I thought Simons could have got you a FRP despite only having a year left on his deal.

[T Park]

Boston absolutely fleeced. Brad Steven’s one hell of a GM/president

[Eaglenole2002]

I just can’t imagine why anyone would actively want that Holliday contract. It’s terrible. I see a lot of people on Twitter saying they like it for both teams. Hell no, Boston crushed it. They’ll flip Simons for something and save a boatload of money and come away with a bunch of assets for an albatross contract.

[T Park]

Simons fits well next to white

He’s on an expiring try out contract, so he’ll be busting ass.

Phenomenal trade by the Celtics

[ace3g]

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937358079307202648

https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1937359725105926501

[Mr. Body]

Simons is pretty overrated. Classic empty stats. But he'll be able to soak up points and minutes for a Boston team trading water. They get to shed bad salary.

I get Portland wanting some serious veteran leadership, but that's a bad salary and age. I feel like they could have kicked Simons over to Orlando or something, and don't get why they owe SRPs.

But in the end this seems pretty inconsequential. Boston is going to be middle of the pack. Portland wants to try to get into the playoffs and this may help for a year or two.

[DPG21920]

^ they gave up 2nds because Jrue had other suitors Im guessing.

[poopbox]

Boston absolutely fleeced. Brad Steven’s one hell of a GM/president

Hands down the best GM in the league and it aint close.

Said fuck them picks and fuck that apron and put together the most expensive team in nba history.

Won a chip.

Now he about to tear it down before any of the money he paid even kicks in.

Fucking masterful. I legit would trade all our future 1st round picks to have Stevens as our GM or Pres of Basketball Ops.

Dude is a cold blooded assassin who only cares about building teams and tearing them down to build another team.

He'd have the power of friendship traded before he got his texas drivers license in the mail.

[Mugen]

I think Jrue has one more productive season before he really falls off. This makes the Blazers better next year which I don’t love tbh. West playoff race is gonna be a bloodbath.

[poopbox]

Yeah... I'd like that to, but I'm going to start operating under the assumption that the PoF is going to be here and we should just accommodate for that. I'm starting to get bullish on some improvement from Devin based on these coaching hires, Jeremy is still on the Jeremy path and Keldon is a known quantity. I have serious concerns about Devin and Keldon sharing the court with one another... but into the great unknown we go!

Don't forget that we are only 1 of 3 teams in the modern era to have 6 consecutive losing seasons ( Wizards and Kings are the other 2). We truly are in uncharted waters. If you look to your left all you will see is those kings teams from the mid 200's and if you look to your right you will see the post john wall wizards.

[poopbox]

I think Jrue has one more productive season before he really falls off. This makes the Blazers better next year which I don’t love tbh. West playoff race is gonna be a bloodbath.

Don't think that is why the blazers traded for him. There are always going to be teams who strike out in free agency and don't get the player or players they wanted, and as the season goes on they get more and more desperate, usually cause their jobs are on the line, and they overpay for some veteran as a hail mary save our season move. That guy will be Jrue and Portland will be able to flip him for something more useful down the line.

[Dverde]

I think Simonds is a solid scorer, I much prefer Fox, but I thought Simonds was a solid back up plan if the Kings traded him elsewhere. I think this puts Boston in the middle of the pack. Maybe Spurs can get Hauser since they got a shooter to replace his scoring now.

[Ice009]

:lol holiday back to Portland is hilarious

So how many picks have Portland gotten for him? Two from Boston and one? from the Milwaukee trade? And they now get him back for dumping Simons?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don’t like the trade for either team. Boston didn’t help their financial situation much and Jrue’s contract was a decent option for that. They must have other deals close, specifically for Porzingis, but it might not be enough to get them under the second apron.

Portland have no direction and are doubling down on it. Meh. Jrue would have made much more sense in Sacramento, Dallas or Clippers.

[poopbox]

I don’t like the trade for either team. Boston didn’t help their financial situation much and Jrue’s contract was a decent option for that. They must have other deals close, specifically for Porzingis, but it might not be enough to get them under the second apron.

Portland have no direction and are doubling down on it. Meh. Jrue would have made much more sense in Sacramento, Dallas or Clippers.

Funny enough those are some of the teams who are listed as in on trying to trade for him, which is why Portland had to give up picks.

Now Portland gets to go to those same teams and negotiate a trade

[DPG21920]

I don’t like the trade for either team. Boston didn’t help their financial situation much and Jrue’s contract was a decent option for that. They must have other deals close, specifically for Porzingis, but it might not be enough to get them under the second apron.

Portland have no direction and are doubling down on it. Meh. Jrue would have made much more sense in Sacramento, Dallas or Clippers.

While it didnt shave off a lot of salary this year with regard to 2nd apron, it did save 40M in luxury tax + its expiring which is huge. And they got paid picks as well. My guess is Simons would have some teams that value him positively too and can likely shed more salary in another trade while netting another couple 2nds.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

While it didnt shave off a lot of salary this year with regard to 2nd apron, it did save 40M in luxury tax + its expiring which is huge. And they got paid picks as well. My guess is Simons would have some teams that value him positively too and can likely shed more salary in another trade while netting another couple 2nds.

Possibly. Boston are in such a dire financial situation they’re going to have to continue wheeling and dealing. My point was that Jrue’s contract was their best option to break down into two and trade one of them into an exception to get real savings on the apron. Teams are probably lowballing them horrifically knowing how pressed against the wall they are.

[Mnky]

At first the trade seemed pretty lopsided, but the Blazers likely weren't looking to pay Simmons or extend him to what he wanted. Teams weren't going to give much knowing he was on the way out.

With jrue, you have a legitimate trade piece for teams that are in win now mode or need an injury replacement. They have him locked up for a couple years.

Now if they just buy him out or something, I honestly don't understand at all what the trade was. If theyre just betting to get a return on holiday with the trade deadline desperation times, I can see it as a decent move. He will help guide those youngins. We saw first hand how important vererans can be to helping guide younger players.

Cheap guidance rental with possible flip side.

[DPG21920]

Possibly. Boston are in such a dire financial situation they’re going to have to continue wheeling and dealing. My point was that Jrue’s contract was their best option to break down into two and trade one of them into an exception to get real savings on the apron. Teams are probably lowballing them horrifically knowing how pressed against the wall they are.

I think (as you said) KP has solid value so they could go with the “interesting but expiring player + getting 2 2nds” move for Jrue.

[DPG21920]

At first the trade seemed pretty lopsided, but the Blazers likely weren't looking to pay Simmons or extend him to what he wanted. Teams weren't going to give much knowing he was on the way out.

With jrue, you have a legitimate trade piece for teams that are in win now mode or need an injury replacement. They have him locked up for a couple years.

Now if they just buy him out or something, I honestly don't understand at all what the trade was. If theyre just betting to get a return on holiday with the trade deadline desperation times, I can see it as a decent move. He will help guide those youngins. We saw first hand how important vererans can be to helping guide younger players.

Cheap guidance rental with possible flip side.

But they gave up 2 2nds for him which is the odd part. Would be one thing if they got picks for saving BOS 40M + eating Jrue deal but they paid to do this

[Mnky]

But they gave up 2 2nds for him which is the odd part. Would be one thing if they got picks for saving BOS 40M + eating Jrue deal but they paid to do this

Well he does have value still, besides whether people like him or not. Still a champion, leader, above average defender and can be reliable in a pinch. He has value.

Simmons was out the door. I do think he could have fetched more at the right time but they waited too late for that probably.

[DPG21920]

Well he does have value still, besides whether people like him or not. Still a champion, leader, above average defender and can be reliable in a pinch. He has value.

Simmons was out the door. I do think he could have fetched more at the right time but they waited too late for that probably.

Sure just saying they could have likely gotten a 2nd for Simons still or let him walk for nothing and keep their 2 2nds and salary cap clear, but they paid picks to take on Jrue. MeansIMO they intend to keep him

[scott]

Joe Cronin been hanging out in Cabo with Nico, drinking that "defense wins championships" cool aid, except Joe was fresh out of Lukas to trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Reporting is that Gafford's extension is sized in a way that makes it immediately trade eligible. I'm not familiar with those rules, but I believe the people saying it.

The difference between extend and trade and simple vet extension is that for the former it’s up to 120%, instead of 140%, and up to 3 years with 5% raises. It works out at less than the reported 60 million but there might be unlikely incentives in there as well.

Him signing this type of extension makes him more likely to be traded eventually.

[CGD]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937354255863578963

I'm impressed Boston got value for Holiday given the age, contract, and clubs financial pressure. Portland kinda sent them a lifeline tbh

[Dex]

I'm impressed Boston got value for Holiday given the age, contract, and clubs financial pressure. Portland kinda sent them a lifeline tbh

Jrue is still a very good player, they just can't afford him. I'd love him on the Spurs if not for the fact that we are already loaded at guard with good, young pieces.

I think Boston realizes next season is a wash and are desperate to get under the second apron. Wouldn't be surprised if they try to shed Porzingis as well.

[mystargtr34]

I think Porzingis is gone too. One because of his contract and Bostons financial situation, and two because of his unreliable health, three because Boston is looking at next season as a retool.

[LeBowen]

Yeah, Porzingis should be gone.
Hauser the third candidate they'll probably move.

Spurs should give Celtics a call about Hauser if he can be obtained for a handful of seconds.
6'8, elite shooter and not a traffic cone on defense. I'd rather have him than LaRavia, tbh.
Amazing 10 to 12 million a year contract up until 2029.

[mo7888]

Yeah, Porzingis should be gone.
Hauser the third candidate they'll probably move.

Spurs should give Celtics a call about Hauser if he can be obtained for a handful of seconds.
6'8, elite shooter and not a traffic cone on defense. I'd rather have him than LaRavia, tbh.
Amazing 10 to 12 million a year contract up until 2029.

I also think he'll have a better role here because Fox etc can attack the rim and their gravity can give better looks.

[dubross]

https://x.com/thedunkcentral/status/1937506520893206720?s=46&t=R_sceQ4efZTX7nQnRN92Cw

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1937511619111567508

[exstatic]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1937511619111567508i expect both players to pick up those options.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937536033404408112

[Mr. Body]

I like it for Portland. Like how we got Chris Paul last year, they need some veteran leadership plus he's a strong defender who can help define the team going forward. Simons is badly overrated. It's a good trade.

[Leetonidas]

Poole traded to the Pels for CJ and Olynyk

[Mal]

Poole traded to the Pels for CJ and Olynyk

Poole and Saddiq Bey. It has to be for Saddiq Bay, right ? Why else would they pick additional year of Poole over expiring CJ

[itzsoweezee]

Phew. I was worried when I heard CJ’s name mentioned with the spurs. So glad that is not happening

[CGD]

Poole traded to the Pels for CJ and Olynyk

I like what Washington has been doing in recent years

[LeBowen]

As things stand now, Wizards will have only Kispert and rookie contracts on the books after 25-26 season ends.
$100M in cap space and another high lottery pick.

[Mal]

Phew. I was worried when I heard CJ’s name mentioned with the spurs. So glad that is not happening

They already have tank commander in Middelton and Smart. CJ will be bought out.

[Mr. Body]

Wizards making long term decisions.

This can mean Bailey to the Wiz. Fears probably out for Pels.

[Mal]

I wonder how Wizards will fuck up all this cap space next offseason

[itzsoweezee]

They already have tank commander in Middelton and Smart. CJ will be bought out.

Damnit. I really hope the front office is smarter than to mess with McCollum

[Mr. Body]

A second or two for Olynyk?

[T Park]

They already have tank commander in Middelton and Smart. CJ will be bought out.


They want veteran mentors there in DC, and Middleton Olynyk, McCollum are good guys to keep around

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
The New Orleans Pelicans are trading CJ McCollum, Kelly Olynyk and a future second-round pick to the Washington Wizards for Jordan Poole, Saddiq Bey and the No. 40 pick, sources tell ESPN.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm a huge Jrue Holiday fan, but this trade makes sense for Boston. Jrue is 35, beginning to decline, and has three years left on an expensive contract. Simmons is nine years younger and has one year left on a contract less expensive than Jrue's... If he somehow adapts and fits the Celtic roster, you re-sign him. If not, he fills a roster spot for a year and you look elsewhere, with two extra SRPs. Boston looked at the realities of team salaries, tax penalties, and player ages and made the right decision. Next year is a gap year with Tatum out, and the only real concern should be the '26-'27 season.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
The trade swaps guards -- the Wizards shifting from Poole to the veteran in McCollum, who has an expiring contract. Washington now is expected to approach $100 million in projected cap space in 2026. Pelicans move younger, possibly more dynamic with Poole and Bey.

[Mal]

Damnit. I really hope the front office is smarter than to mess with McCollum

Spurs already have too many SG/SF on the roster.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Portland Trail Blazers forward Matisse Thybulle is picking up his $11.5 million player option for the 2025-26 season, sources tell ESPN.

[Ice009]

What do you guys think of the Pelicans? They could be another freaking team looking to take a playoff spot :(.

[spursistan]

I think Jrue has one more productive season before he really falls off. This makes the Blazers better next year which I don’t love tbh. West playoff race is gonna be a bloodbath.
Legit no free wins next season in the West. Even the Jazz are going to try to win--and it's coming from their owner according to sources. Basically we gonna hope a couple of teams get destroyed by injuries so they can pivot to tanking early on.

[LeBowen]

Legit no free wins next season in the West. Even the Jazz are going to try to win--and it's coming from their owner according to sources. Basically we gonna hope a couple of teams get destroyed by injuries so they can pivot to tanking early on.

There's a chance Suns finish dead last in the conference without owning their pick. :lmao

[Notorious H.O.P.]

So much for my Vassell and spare parts and picks for Herb Jones pipe dream.

[exstatic]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Portland Trail Blazers forward Matisse Thybulle is picking up his $11.5 million player option for the 2025-26 season, sources tell ESPN.

No shock. He’d be lucky to get that over 3 years in today’s market.

Solid thanks to Portland for matching Dallas’s offer a few years back AFTER Dallas had already flipped us an unprotected swap to eat Reggie Bollock’s contract in an attempt to get Thuybulle and Grant Williams in one go.

[exstatic]

Legit no free wins next season in the West. Even the Jazz are going to try to win--and it's coming from their owner according to sources. Basically we gonna hope a couple of teams get destroyed by injuries so they can pivot to tanking early on.

I don’t believe that for a minute. I just think they realized that tanking is more effective and less costly in fines if you stripmine your roster, which it looks like they may be trying to do with Collins and Lauri being made available. You’re not going to be even a play in team led by a #5 pick. They also owe a 2026 FRP to OKC that is only protected 1-8, so along with another good top of the draft in 2026, this makes it in their interest to suck. The worst thing they could do is to be mid, which is their best record outcome next year.

[T Park]

Pelicans got worse….

[scott]

I hate to be that guy... but it's Anfernee SIMONS people... "Simmons", as is Greg "Is the Bar Still Open" Simmons, is a completely different name.

Thank you.

Signed,

Keldon Johansson,

[poopbox]

What do you guys think of the Pelicans? They could be another freaking team looking to take a playoff spot :(.

You saw them trade for Jordan Poole and your first thought was "they could make the playoffs"? :rollin

[scott]

You saw them trade for Jordan Poole and your first thought was "they could make the playoffs"? :rollin

I'm thinking more along the line... what's the record for the lowest AST%? Pels might end up being a high scoring team with barely any assists. Chucker Party in NOLA

[Ice009]

You saw them trade for Jordan Poole and your first thought was "they could make the playoffs"? :rollin

I think with a healthy Zion and if Dejounte comes back early they could challenge for a spot (I forgot Dejounte was out when I said that in my previous post). I think Poole is better than an older CJ Macollum.

[Pauleta14]

WAS is making so really smart moves tbh

got rid of the team's cancer and brought savvy vets to mentor their (talented) youngsters

[Guru of Nothing]

Kuzma-Poole dynasty, wait!

[scottspurs]

Today in a press conference: Nuggets owner Josh Kroenke believes there’s a nightmare scenario where the wrong player gets injured, and the second apron could force them to consider the possibility of trading Nikola Jokić

Does look like the Spurs are looking for Center…

[spurraider21]

Today in a press conference: Nuggets owner Josh Kroenke believes there’s a nightmare scenario where the wrong player gets injured, and the second apron could force them to consider the possibility of trading Nikola Jokić

Does look like the Spurs are looking for Center…
the thing is, he's 100% right on his assessment. its just asinine to state that publicly

its also why i think milwaukee's most sensible path forward would be to shop giannis, though seem intent on wasting the remaining years of his prime instead

[mo7888]

Today in a press conference: Nuggets owner Josh Kroenke believes there’s a nightmare scenario where the wrong player gets injured, and the second apron could force them to consider the possibility of trading Nikola Jokić

Does look like the Spurs are looking for Center…

I'm all-in..

[mystargtr34]

I updated my mock draft yesterday for the Pels to draft Maluach ahead of Fears. That was before the Poole trade, kinda feel Maluach is even more likely for them now.

I had them taking Walton Clayton Jr with their #23 as a CJ McCollum replacement but now they have Poole I think McNeeley could be an option as their third wing behind Tre and Herb.

Maluach-Missi
Zion-Matkovic
Tre-Hawkins
Herb-Clayton Jr
Poole-Alvarado-Dejounte (inj.)

Obviously health is the big question. But that’s a pretty good team.

[Mnky]

Sure just saying they could have likely gotten a 2nd for Simons still or let him walk for nothing and keep their 2 2nds and salary cap clear, but they paid picks to take on Jrue. MeansIMO they intend to keep him

Yea good call. I expect them to try to flip him for an unprotected 1st at some point.

[mystargtr34]

And yeah if I’m the Bucks I’m looking at the way the Rockets and Thunder set themselves up for a decade when they trades prime Harden and prime PG/Russ for hauls of picks and young players. Even what the Celtics did back in 2014 when they traded the big 3 and wound up with Tatum and Brown.

[poopbox]

I think with a healthy Zion and if Dejounte comes back early they could challenge for a spot (I forgot Dejounte was out when I said that in my previous post). I think Poole is better than an older CJ Macollum.

You lost me at "a healthy Zion"

The way Dejounte shitted on the pelicans in his last interview I wouldn't be surprised if he never placed for them again tbh :rollin

[mo7888]

With the Porzingis acquisition, does it make it more likely that the extend Trae at the max? That's their next big decision.

[baseline bum]

You lost me at "a healthy Zion"

The way Dejounte shitted on the pelicans in his last interview I wouldn't be surprised if he never placed for them again tbh :rollin

Curious what Dejounte said. Which interview are you talking about?

[scott]

I updated my mock draft yesterday for the Pels to draft Maluach ahead of Fears. That was before the Poole trade, kinda feel Maluach is even more likely for them now.

I had them taking Walton Clayton Jr with their #23 as a CJ McCollum replacement but now they have Poole I think McNeeley could be an option as their third wing behind Tre and Herb.

Maluach-Missi
Zion-Matkovic
Tre-Hawkins
Herb-Clayton Jr
Poole-Alvarado-Dejounte (inj.)

Obviously health is the big question. But that’s a pretty good team.

I actually kind of think maybe this puts Jaku in play for them. Poole is more of a SG to me, and I don't think Tre or Herb are really SGs (more like combo 3/4s). Jaku would make sense here (though so would Maluach).

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1937654932603306493

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937654484945015241

[mystargtr34]

I actually kind of think maybe this puts Jaku in play for them. Poole is more of a SG to me, and I don't think Tre or Herb are really SGs (more like combo 3/4s). Jaku would make sense here (though so would Maluach).

Yeah they do need playmaking/initiating. I could see Jaku but #7 seems high for him. I’m banking on Zion, Trey (3.5 APG) and Poole (4.5 APG) sharing the initiating duties in the SL but it’s asking a bit especially considering the injury risk. Agree Poole is a 2 guard on a big PG body but I don’t think they will bench Herb for Poole the defensive drop off will be too much.

Can’t wait for tomorrow tbh!!

[scott]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1937654932603306493

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937654484945015241

Wow, look at that... Atlanta actively trying to improve their team. I was told they were hopeless.

[spurraider21]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1937654932603306493

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937654484945015241
honestly, its very smart management by them. they dont control their next 2 picks anyway

[mystargtr34]

Atlanta looks like they’re trying to do work. Damn it.

Feels like they’re going to take a playmaker like Demin at #13 and then fill out the rest of the team with 2 way players. If they pull off NAW and get Demin then I think they will be pushing for a top 6 seed unfortunately. But who knows, one Trae Young injury and they will be fucked.

[mystargtr34]

KP - OO
JJ
Risacher
Daniels
Young

Add in #13 and NAW.

Looks pretty solid NGL.

[R. DeMurre]

Curious what Dejounte said. Which interview are you talking about?


https://www.nola.com/sports/pelicans/dejounte-murray-pelicans-worst-nba-experience-interview/article_f260c9bb-050d-4c76-8639-007c67c93123.html

[spurraider21]

KP - OO
JJ
Risacher
Daniels
Young

Add in #13 and NAW.

Looks pretty solid NGL.
still have Levert as well who can play

and what if kobe bufkin becomes something. missed almost all of last year with injury. going into year 3

i thought hawks represented Sorber's floor in the draft, but could see them going for Jase Richardson or Cedric Coward now

[100%duncan]

That Atlanta pick looking worse by the day




Shit I said the same thing last offseason in the Lauri thread.

[poopbox]

Curious what Dejounte said. Which interview are you talking about?

Pivot interview from a week ago. It's about an hour long. There is a portion of it where he talks about how when he got to the pelicans he had no support system and all the facilities was trash and he had a lot of personal stuff going on in his life with no one to talk to about it.

But almost every former pelican player shits on the pelicans. Dyson Daniels had that infamous interview where he talked about how glad he was to be away from that franchise and Tony Allen has that epic "pelicans worst organization in the world" rant on youtube. Just type in tony allen pelicans and I'm sure it's the first video that comes up.

[Dex]

Looking like it's gonna be another offseason of the Spurs doing nothing and running it back.

But hey, adding a healthy Fox, Harper, and whoever we end up with at #14 should make things interesting.

The West is just a beast though. We'll still be lucky to make the playoffs.

[scott]

Pivot interview from a week ago. It's about an hour long. There is a portion of it where he talks about how when he got to the pelicans he had no support system and all the facilities was trash and he had a lot of personal stuff going on in his life with no one to talk to about it.

But almost every former pelican player shits on the pelicans. Dyson Daniels had that infamous interview where he talked about how glad he was to be away from that franchise and Tony Allen has that epic "pelicans worst organization in the world" rant on youtube. Just type in tony allen pelicans and I'm sure it's the first video that comes up.

Could be a huge reason why Dejounte seems to have changed his tune when he talks about the Spurs. Have seen a definitely shit from his statements immediately following the trade to now being the guy who shows up to another team's HC introductory press conference :lol

[scott]

Looking like it's gonna be another offseason of the Spurs doing nothing and running it back.

But hey, adding a healthy Fox, Harper, and whoever we end up with at #14 should make things interesting.

The West is just a beast though. We'll still be lucky to make the playoffs.

You may end up correct... but tbh the offseason hasn't even started yet. We've missed out on KD and a broken Tingus. Not quite time to declare the world has ended.

[CGD]

Looking like it's gonna be another offseason of the Spurs doing nothing and running it back.

But hey, adding a healthy Fox, Harper, and whoever we end up with at #14 should make things interesting.

The West is just a beast though. We'll still be lucky to make the playoffs.

They’ve been pretty damn active dude. Fox was the big acquisition, they lucked into a potential future all star in Harper, and are reaping the benefits of an earlier deal which could land them a solid rotation piece (Coward; Sorber).

[poopbox]

You may end up correct... but tbh the offseason hasn't even started yet. We've missed out on KD and a broken Tingus. Not quite time to declare the world has ended.

With the amount of player movement in the last 48 hours it might not be an off season tbh :rollin

By this time tomorrow half the players we would have any interest in would have already been traded to other teams:rollin

POF 2
Spurs using the off season to actually improve their team 0

[PhantomDashCam]

Atlanta looks like they’re trying to do work. Damn it.

Feels like they’re going to take a playmaker like Demin at #13 and then fill out the rest of the team with 2 way players. If they pull off NAW and get Demin then I think they will be pushing for a top 6 seed unfortunately. But who knows, one Trae Young injury and they will be fucked.

It's not just the Trae Young issue.

KP, JJ, OO have all had difficulties staying on the court throughout their careers.

[Degoat]

Hawks are a Trae Young high Ankle sprain away from still being a bad team, calm down people

[poopbox]

Hawks are a Trae Young high Ankle sprain away from still being a bad team, calm down people

We've literally been saying this since we got their picks and yet we haven't gotten anything of value out of them :rollin

The east is so weak the hawks are going to fuck around win 36 games and be the 6th seed :rollin

[CGD]

We've literally been saying this since we got their picks and yet we haven't gotten anything of value out of them :rollin

The east is so weak the hawks are going to fuck around win 36 games and be the 6th seed :rollin

Seriously? That dumb CHA pick was in the Fox deal, and come tomorrow we’ll have a solid role player (Coward; Sober).

[RC_Drunkford]

They won’t be bad with that roster in the East while Tatum, Dame and Haliburton are basically out for the season.

[Mr. Body]

Looking like it's gonna be another offseason of the Spurs doing nothing and running it back.


I'm so confused by these sorts of statements. They traded for Fox in the season. They can't trade for him again. They're going to add the #2 player in the draft and probably another lottery pick. Then they're going to add some size, at least.

What the fuck do you want them to do? What makes people like you happy? Just doing shit? Or what?

[PhantomDashCam]

They won’t be bad with that roster in the East while Tatum, Dame and Haliburton are basically out for the season.

I expect Boston and Indiana to still be competing for a top four spot in the East.
Detroit and Cleveland should be right there; New York is likely too.
The SE division is a train wreck sans Orlando, Philadelphia (and Embiid) may have shortened their window. Who else is jumping up?
Atlanta?

[twodeep]

wow fast and furious trades before the draft tomorrow wonder what else is going to happen

[RC_Drunkford]

I expect Boston and Indiana to still be competing for a top four spot in the East.
Detroit and Cleveland should be right there; New York is likely too.
The SE division is a train wreck sans Orlando, Philadelphia (and Embiid) may have shortened their window. Who else is jumping up?
Atlanta?

Atlanta with some more additions will be right there with those teams. The real question is what makes people think the Spurs will be a playoff team in the west?

[benefactor]

Looking like it's gonna be another offseason of the Spurs doing nothing and running it back.

But hey, adding a healthy Fox, Harper, and whoever we end up with at #14 should make things interesting.

The West is just a beast though. We'll still be lucky to make the playoffs.
Don't underestimate the addition of the new coaches either. Big Nasty and Sweeney should improve the defense and rebounding next season to go with the influx of draft talent. I know all of us want the friendship krew gone but the hope is with new talent and new coaching they will either play themselves on or off the roster.

[poopbox]

Atlanta with some more additions will be right there with those teams. The real question is what makes people think the Spurs will be a playoff team in the west?

Posters promising us we would get Kevin Durant :cry

Was already trying to buy spurs WCF tickets and everything :depressed

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937679613947240546

[BatManu20]

Kyrie gonna be making $40M/per at 37 years old.

[spurraider21]

Kyrie gonna be making $40M/per at 37 years old.
for somebody as skilled as him, he could stay effective that long, much like curry

of course that conemplates him making a full recovery from his torn ACL

[itzsoweezee]

Atlanta with some more additions will be right there with those teams. The real question is what makes people think the Spurs will be a playoff team in the west?

This guy named wembanyama. He’s pretty damn good.

[Mr. Body]

This guy named wembanyama. He’s pretty damn good.

Big if true.

[poopbox]

This guy named wembanyama. He’s pretty damn good.

I heard that he has been on the spurs for two years and that even with him they are so bad they got 2 other top 5 picks?

Is this true?

[itzsoweezee]

I heard that he has been on the spurs for two years and that even with him they are so bad they got 2 other top 5 picks?

Is this true?

Are you a toddler? Who gave you access to a computer?

[T Park]

This guy named wembanyama. He’s pretty damn good.


Sweet those 40-50 games he’s available will be awesome,


Can’t wait for another 30 win season cause

We CaNt MiSs StEpS!!!!

[T Park]

Are you a toddler? Who gave you access to a computer?


Point to where he’s wrong

[ace3g]

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1937723293001482634

[itzsoweezee]

Point to where he’s wrong

If you don’t know, you’re as dumb as he is.

[Mugen]

Would be a real shame to not try and make another significant upgrade this offseason.

Barnes expiring, Branham/Wesley contracts, #14, a shitton of seconds….

plenty of assets to push this team into the playoffs without dipping into the better part of the war chest. They absolutely need to make the playoffs this season tbh

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/troyhalibur/status/1937612784855904607?s=46

[scott]

The tweet about executives confident SAC can and will acquire a FRP is interesting... to me that signals that whomever SAC has been shopping (Monk, Devin Carter are the names rumored) are getting plenty of interest and it's just a matter of what deal SAC likes best.

Of course, with BKN now having 4 of the last 12 picks, maybe it's just viewed as relatively cheap and easy to get one of them.


Would be a real shame to not try and make another significant upgrade this offseason.

Barnes expiring, Branham/Wesley contracts, #14, a shitton of seconds….

plenty of assets to push this team into the playoffs without dipping into the better part of the war chest. They absolutely need to make the playoffs this season tbh

Top 6 in the West should be the Spurs expectations, IMO, and anything short of that should be viewed as a failure that causes people to feel nervous about their job security. Of course, that isn't very Spursy so that view is probably not shared... but that would be my expectation if I were Holt Jr.

[Mugen]

Top 6 in the West should be the Spurs expectations, IMO, and anything short of that should be viewed as a failure that causes people to feel nervous about their job security. Of course, that isn't very Spursy so that view is probably not shared... but that would be my expectation if I were Holt Jr.

If they don’t make the playoffs then BWrong should be gone, simple as that tbh

[Dex]

I'm so confused by these sorts of statements. They traded for Fox in the season. They can't trade for him again. They're going to add the #2 player in the draft and probably another lottery pick. Then they're going to add some size, at least.

What the fuck do you want them to do? What makes people like you happy? Just doing shit? Or what?

I mentioned Fox as a positive.

The #2 pick is a given.

We'll see what happens with #14, but I expect the Spurs will draft someone who will hopefully fill a need.

I'm not really bitching about it. Just saying, if any big moves were gonna happen...they probably would have by now. Without naming any names, I feel like there are guys we could move to improve the team.

[Marcus Bryant]

Goal here is to be serious contender in a couple years.

Castle, Fox and presumably Harper will have joined in the last 12 months.

Gotta allow for a couple years to ramp up/get acclimated.

Pick 14 and 38 are some moonshots, can we pull another star with one of those?

[Mr. Body]

OKC went from a second round out in their first POs together to the ring. In this NBA it's totally possible. The West is rough, but a number of the teams are going to start declining. Just stay in our lane and build what we have. If Vic is healthy, no one's going to match him. Get the guard corps going, add some pieces, and make everyone try to beat you.

[tbdog]

OKC went from a second round out in their first POs together to the ring. In this NBA it's totally possible. The West is rough, but a number of the teams are going to start declining. Just stay in our lane and build what we have. If Vic is healthy, no one's going to match him. Get the guard corps going, add some pieces, and make everyone try to beat you.

The west is such a bloodbath. Lakers, Clippers, and grizzlies should slide, but only by a small margin. Suns will be much worse. I think the Kings below avg era will have a downfall and they'll sell at the deadline. Pelicans is such a question mark. They should be better though. Blazers should have a good defensive lineup but they are relying on someone to pop offensively . Mavs should be better too but they have a lopsided team build currently that they need to address. Jazz will fire sell this offseason and should bottom out.

It really will come down to health and depth in the west.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1937892832565445101

[Limguogolo]

One off topic question on draft day. Do you remember hearing the little draft music signifying that the time limit is up used during a missed free throw by an arena for an undrafted player? That would be obnoxious, but quite amusing. Nothing like it to push him to miss his second free throw.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KellyIko/status/1937907906080387286

[John B]

I feel any of John Collins or Naz Reid opts out to sign for Spurs? Who’s your pick between the two to pair with Wemby?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That's a fantastic deal for Houston. A significant paycut by FVV. It was expected so that they get below the apron and complete the Durant deal but at only 2 years and 50 mil this is a steal.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Smart piece of work by Houston. Too many teams just roll over and offer unnecessary large deals by bidding against themselves. Who else was going to give FVV more than the MLE without Houston's help?

[Leetonidas]

Houston with some really solid moves. They're going to be a thorn for the Thunder next season

[LeBowen]

Smart piece of work by Houston. Too many teams just roll over and offer unnecessary large deals by bidding against themselves. Who else was going to give FVV more than the MLE without Houston's help?

Anyone under legit all-star level, maybe even some all-stars, will have to accept that they're not getting max deals with this new CBA, at least not from competitive teams.
Right now it's rough because the rules changed mid-way through a lot of expensive contracts, but I think it's going to be fine in a few years.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

That's a fantastic deal for Houston. A significant paycut by FVV. It was expected so that they get below the apron and complete the Durant deal but at only 2 years and 50 mil this is a steal.

They overpaid him the first two years. I think this was always the plan for both Houston and FVV.

[djohn2oo8]

1937909686692610050

Yeah Stone has definitely proven way better than Morey.

[exstatic]

And yeah if I’m the Bucks I’m looking at the way the Rockets and Thunder set themselves up for a decade when they trades prime Harden and prime PG/Russ for hauls of picks and young players. Even what the Celtics did back in 2014 when they traded the big 3 and wound up with Tatum and Brown.

Prime Harden returned almost nothing. Other than knowing his outcome, it was a Luka like trade.

[TD 21]

I suppose Kornet is more likely to stay with the Celtics now that they are under the apron with the Holiday and Porzingis trade.


I updated my mock draft yesterday for the Pels to draft Maluach ahead of Fears. That was before the Poole trade, kinda feel Maluach is even more likely for them now.

I had them taking Walton Clayton Jr with their #23 as a CJ McCollum replacement but now they have Poole I think McNeeley could be an option as their third wing behind Tre and Herb.

Maluach-Missi
Zion-Matkovic
Tre-Hawkins
Herb-Clayton Jr
Poole-Alvarado-Dejounte (inj.)

Obviously health is the big question. But that’s a pretty good team.


Yeah they do need playmaking/initiating. I could see Jaku but #7 seems high for him. I’m banking on Zion, Trey (3.5 APG) and Poole (4.5 APG) sharing the initiating duties in the SL but it’s asking a bit especially considering the injury risk. Agree Poole is a 2 guard on a big PG body but I don’t think they will bench Herb for Poole the defensive drop off will be too much.

Can’t wait for tomorrow tbh!!


Atlanta looks like they’re trying to do work. Damn it.

Feels like they’re going to take a playmaker like Demin at #13 and then fill out the rest of the team with 2 way players. If they pull off NAW and get Demin then I think they will be pushing for a top 6 seed unfortunately. But who knows, one Trae Young injury and they will be fucked.

You've been reading my mind.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Utah Jazz big man John Collins has exercised his $26.5 million player option for the 2025-26 season, sources tell ESPN.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
The New York Knicks are planning to interview New Orleans Pelicans associate coach James Borrego for their open head coaching job, sources tell ESPN. Borrego joins Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins and Micah Nori as known formal interviews for the Knicks

[Robz4000]

:lmao James Borrego

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

NO the biggest idiots of the offseason.

1. Were in a hurry to trade for Indiana's 2025 #23 pick giving them their 2026 pick back. Next thing Haliburton is out for the year.
2. Took on an additional year of Jordan Poole without getting anything back
3. Selected a non shooting point guard while saying they'll build around Zion, who needs the ball in his hands
4. Traded one of the best future picks on the market (best of NO/Milwaukee in 2026) to jump 10 spots in the draft for ... Derik Queen, another horrible fit with Zion

Spurs should call them immediately and check if they have more moves in them. Goddamn.

[Seventyniner]

NO the biggest idiots of the offseason.

1. Were in a hurry to trade for Indiana's 2025 #23 pick giving them their 2026 pick back. Next thing Haliburton is out for the year.
2. Took on an additional year of Jordan Poole without getting anything back
3. Selected a non shooting point guard while saying they'll build around Zion, who needs the ball in his hands
4. Traded one of the best future picks on the market (best of NO/Milwaukee in 2026) to jump 10 spots in the draft for ... Derik Queen, another horrible fit with Zion

Spurs should call them immediately and check if they have more moves in them. Goddamn.

Always trade with the suckers. SAC and CHI are frequent Spurs trading partners, maybe add NO to the list?

[RC_Drunkford]

I feel any of John Collins or Naz Reid opts out to sign for Spurs? Who’s your pick between the two to pair with Wemby?

I'll take John Collins, PJ Washington and Santi Aldama before I'm looking at Naz Reid

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1938059211986112997

[HankChinaski]

If spurs can get John Collins from Utah man that would be an amazing off season and leave me excited for the upcoming season.

[Degoat]

Gotta assume there’s a trade at some point unless the spurs plan on red shirting Carter

Fox/Harper/
Castle/Wesley/Branham
Dev/KJ/Julian
Barnes/Sochan/Carter

[mystargtr34]

NO the biggest idiots of the offseason.

1. Were in a hurry to trade for Indiana's 2025 #23 pick giving them their 2026 pick back. Next thing Haliburton is out for the year.
2. Took on an additional year of Jordan Poole without getting anything back
3. Selected a non shooting point guard while saying they'll build around Zion, who needs the ball in his hands
4. Traded one of the best future picks on the market (best of NO/Milwaukee in 2026) to jump 10 spots in the draft for ... Derik Queen, another horrible fit with Zion

Spurs should call them immediately and check if they have more moves in them. Goddamn.

Yep I touched on couple of these points in the draft thread.

Joe Dumars is what we commonly refer to as a fucking idiot.

Queen
Zion
Murphy
Herb
Fears

That’s a poorly constructed team. Only 1 net positive defender in Herb who’s injured all the time. Three poor shooters with the fourth (Herb) being barely average and just had a down year from 3 at .306%.

And they gave up next years unprotected FRP to achieve that.

Awful.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1W7uTiOBA4

[dubross]

Maybe we can reach out to the blazers to get one of their 5 centers from them.

[poopbox]

Pelicans have pretty much single handedly replenished the Hawks 1st round draft picks we took :rollin

They've given the Hawks 3 first rounders and an all defensive team guard with tons of upside :rollin

Joe Dumars picking up right where he left off all those years ago with the Pistons :rollin

[LeBowen]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-25-depth-charts-an-early-look-at-team-rotations/

Nice visualization.

[scott]

Yep I touched on couple of these points in the draft thread.

Joe Dumars is what we commonly refer to as a fucking idiot.

Queen
Zion
Murphy
Herb
Fears

That’s a poorly constructed team. Only 1 net positive defender in Herb who’s injured all the time. Three poor shooters with the fourth (Herb) being barely average and just had a down year from 3 at .306%.

And they gave up next years unprotected FRP to achieve that.

Awful.

If I had to guess, their ideal starting lineup would actually look more like:

Fears/Alvarado
Poole/Boston/Hawkins
TMIII/Herb
Zion/Bey
Missi/Queen

WIth DJM returning from injury at some point

IMO… this isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be (stating that NOP gave a away a top 5 pick next year) IF AND ONLY IF everything goes right, they stay healthy, Zion can play 75 games, Fears proves worth and Queen is a functional NBA player.

It’s a lot of assumptions, but I think this can be a play-in team if it all comes together just right. But… if they have the kind of injuries they did last year or if Zion does Zion things off the court… yeah I can see them being the 2nd worst team in the league behind Brooklyn.

[CGD]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-25-depth-charts-an-early-look-at-team-rotations/

Nice visualization.

Man, Atlanta looks legit

[spurraider21]

Atlanta trading back, getting what should be a great 2026 first round pick, and then still getting a solid fit like Newell all the way at 23 is quite the heist

they're doing quite well

[Seventyniner]

If I had to guess, their ideal starting lineup would actually look more like:

Fears/Alvarado
Poole/Boston/Hawkins
TMIII/Herb
Zion/Bey
Missi/Queen

This has to be what NO was thinking.

Fd0XhWFnLHY

[scott]

This has to be what NO was thinking.

Fd0XhWFnLHY

I once spent about an hour listening to every Mississippi Queen cover I could find - great song. This Ozzy version is surprisingly one of my least favorites. The original by Mountain is still the best of course.

[Seventyniner]

I once spent about an hour listening to every Mississippi Queen cover I could find - great song. This Ozzy version is surprisingly one of my least favorites. The original by Mountain is still the best of course.

Like many people, I tend to prefer the first version I hear of a song and Ozzy's happened to be it for this song.

[Guru of Nothing]

I once spent about an hour listening to every Mississippi Queen cover I could find - great song. This Ozzy version is surprisingly one of my least favorites. The original by Mountain is still the best of course.

Toots and the Maytals' Pressure Drop covers is a deep well.

[mystargtr34]

If I had to guess, their ideal starting lineup would actually look more like:

Fears/Alvarado
Poole/Boston/Hawkins
TMIII/Herb
Zion/Bey
Missi/Queen

WIth DJM returning from injury at some point

IMO… this isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be (stating that NOP gave a away a top 5 pick next year) IF AND ONLY IF everything goes right, they stay healthy, Zion can play 75 games, Fears proves worth and Queen is a functional NBA player.

It’s a lot of assumptions, but I think this can be a play-in team if it all comes together just right. But… if they have the kind of injuries they did last year or if Zion does Zion things off the court… yeah I can see them being the 2nd worst team in the league behind Brooklyn.

I agree Queen will be coming off the bench. And I actually think Fears will as well to start the season and maybe the entire rookie year.

Poole - Fears - Dejounte (inj.)
Herb - Alvarado - Hawkins
Murphy - Boston
Zion - Matkovic - Bey
Missi - Queen

That SL is actually nicely balanced with defense, shooting, rim pressure. It just lacks a bit with play making and a true point but I think having a pure point is way overrated. You have three guys there who can initiate between Zion, Murphy and Poole.

The bench unit gets a bit clunky with no defense and some shooting issues but there’s a lot of offensive talent with Fears and Queen. You could stagger Herb Jones with them to give them defense and then you have some good shooting there with two of Alvarado, Hawkins, Bey. Matkovic is a bit of a sleeper he was really good for them last season. Athletic 7 footer who rebounds and blocks shots and has a developing 3 point shot.

I suppose getting Queen is kind of a hedge on any potential Zion injury as well. Theoretically if Zion misses 30-40 games then they shouldn’t fall apart if you have an offensive talent like Queen to slot in. While he’s more of a 5 I can definitely see him playing some 4 next to Missi.

[mystargtr34]

Thinking about the west next year, some people are calling it a blood bath but I’m not so sure. Obviously the off season moves will likely change things but as of right now I see it like this.

Tier 1 (55+ wins)
OKC
Houston

Tier 2 (45-54 wins)
Denver
Minny
LAL
LAC
GSW

Tier 3 (35-44 wins)
Dallas
San Antonio
Memphis
New Orleans
Sacramento
Phoenix
Portland

Tier 4 (sub-35 wins)
Utah

Couple of assumptions.
- Kyrie is out most of the year and returns around all star break but doesn’t get back to 100%.

[ace3g]

> 2025-26 Season Dates

June 30: Each NBA team may begin negotiating with all other upcoming free agents (beginning at 6 p.m. ET)
July 5-6, 8: California Classic Summer League (https://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors-to-host-seventh-annual-california-classic-summer-league-presented-by-carmax-20250528) at Chase Center in San Francisco, California (Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs)
July 5, 7-8: Salt Lake City Summer League (https://www.nba.com/jazz/slcsl) at Jon M. Huntsman Center in Salt Lake City, Utah (Utah Jazz, Memphis Grizzlies, Oklahoma City Thunder, Philadelphia 76ers)
July 6: Each NBA team may begin signing free agents to contracts (12:01 p.m. ET)
July 10-20: Las Vegas Summer League

[mo7888]

> 2025-26 Season Dates

June 30: Each NBA team may begin negotiating with all other upcoming free agents (beginning at 6 p.m. ET)
July 5-6, 8: California Classic Summer League (https://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors-to-host-seventh-annual-california-classic-summer-league-presented-by-carmax-20250528) at Chase Center in San Francisco, California (Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs)
July 5, 7-8: Salt Lake City Summer League (https://www.nba.com/jazz/slcsl) at Jon M. Huntsman Center in Salt Lake City, Utah (Utah Jazz, Memphis Grizzlies, Oklahoma City Thunder, Philadelphia 76ers)
July 6: Each NBA team may begin signing free agents to contracts (12:01 p.m. ET)
July 10-20: Las Vegas Summer League


Do you know if trades can happen during that June 30-july 6 period?

[ace3g]

Do you know if trades can happen during that June 30-july 6 period?

I believe trades can be agreed to but not finalized until July 6th.

https://x.com/MarkDeeksNBA/status/1938427459705196936

[mystargtr34]

Now that the draft is over there’s some good backup C’s and big forwards to take in FA

Center
BroLo
Capela
Kornet
Portis

Big Forward
Laravia
Yabusele
Prince

I like all of those Centers as a backup for 15-20 MPG.

The only forward in that list id like is LaRavia.

[Degoat]

I want Yabusele, but he really isn’t much of a need. I mean at PF we have Barnes, Sochan, KJ and I kinda imagine the spurs would value Mamu over yabusele too

[objective]

People might think Brook Lopez is totally washed, evidenced by 15 mpg in the playoffs

But I prefer to be optimistic. He was run into the ground by Doc Rivers, 32 minutes a game in the regular season, hard minutes.

I think if he was a backup in SA, minutes limited to 20 or so, with better defenders around him to cut him a break, I think he could have a rebound season, and be very helpful

[mystargtr34]

I trust Sweeney would know if Lopez strengths such as drop coverage type of defense would be effective in the Spurs game style. I’d imagine so since Wemby plays a similar type of defense because of his size and length.

Looking at advanced stats seems like Lopez defense inside of 6 feet has regressed significantly the last 2 seasons compared to the previous 3. In their championship season Brook held opponents to inside 6 feet to 50.7%, 21-22 he only played 13 games and was at 47%, then 51.7% in 22-24. Last two season he’s been at 55.7% and 58% which is really quite a lot worse.

In 24-25 Luke kornet was at 50.5% which is elite. Wemby is at 50.8%. Chet led the league at 45.0% followed by Porzingis at 47% (minimum 4 DFGA and 20 games played).

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6?SeasonType=Regular+Season&Season=2024-25

Defense inside 6 feet isn’t the be all end all but for a Center it’s pretty damn important if you want defense and rim protection.

[RC_Drunkford]

Now that the draft is over there’s some good backup C’s and big forwards to take in FA

Center
BroLo
Capela
Kornet
Portis

Big Forward
Laravia
Yabusele
Prince

I like all of those Centers as a backup for 15-20 MPG.

The only forward in that list id like is LaRavia.

forwards need to be aquired via trade:

John Collins
Santi Aldama
PJ Washington

[onechance87]

forwards need to be aquired via trade:

John Collins
Santi Aldama
PJ Washington

naz reid to.I can see spurs offering starting spot to entice him to consider us.

[Mr. Body]

I figure they will go for two bigs at this point. But the team badly needs a first and secondary big. Maybe not guys who will start, but who can competently backup Vic, start on his days off, or maybe even figure out if they can play alongside him.

And it looks like the team's decision was to hold off on a rookie here. That seems pretty smart - they want guys who already know how to play.

A Kornet seems like an obvious get. He's from Texas, is low usage, has good defensive metrics, can start.

Definitely kick the tires on a Brook Lopez. He may be slower, etc, but has a great skillset, deep playoff experience, knows how to play.

Aldama, Capela, all these guys seem good. Kornet wouldn't be too expensive and you could probably get Lopez or Capela only for a couple of years.

[Mr. Body]

naz reid to.I can see spurs offering starting spot to entice him to consider us.

Spurs don't promise starting spots or playing time and doing it without knowing fit with Vic doesn't seem wise.

[LeBowen]

Masai Ujiri is gone from Toronto.
Kind of a strange timing, should've done it during the season because getting Ingram was a really bad move.

I expect some of their players to be on the move, new GMs always like making changes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/esidery/status/1938592924834418733

[scottspurs]

Masai Ujuri deserves alot of credit for the Kawhi Leonard Trade. Won the Raptors a championship. The moves since then have been Questionable. I’ll always be thankful that he bailed the Spurs out of the Kawhi situation though. If the Raptors didn’t step in the Spurs other options were letting Kawhi have his way and trading him to La, markele fultz from Philly or getting bent over by Danny Ainge and Boston.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Maybe the new Raptors GM will feel like his team is just one Vassell, Johnson, or Branham from contention.

[djohn2oo8]

Cam Whitmore in the trade block. Getting several inquiries.

[Ice009]

Cam Whitmore in the trade block. Getting several inquiries.

What spot does he play? SF? I guess he's not going to get any court time with Durant there now. I was interested in him pre-draft. Not sure if the Spurs have or ever had any interest in him.

How is his defense?

[exstatic]

What spot does he play? SF? I guess he's not going to get any court time with Durant there now. I was interested in him pre-draft. Not sure if the Spurs have or ever had any interest in him.

How is his defense?

He’s a knucklehead or chucklefuck, whatever your preference. He was the Ace Bailey of his draft, horrible interviews, bad body language. He was mocked 5-10, but dropped to 20. Like Ace,he’s an ISO guy who just isn’t efficient enough to be a primary scorer, and doesn’t play well enough off the ball to be a top support player. Just another case of star syndrome without sufficient talent to make it happen.

[spurraider21]

Spurs don't promise starting spots or playing time and doing it without knowing fit with Vic doesn't seem wise.
they apparently did it with CP3 but under very different circumstances

bigger issue with him is the expected salary range. if someone like detroit offers him 25+ mil, thats a bit reach for what he brings

[BatManu20]

Harper vs. Flagg in Game 2 should be fun.

1938645852009951736

[scottspurs]

Per league rules if Ace Bailey sits out for one year and doesn’t play for any professional team elsewhere he is eligible for the 2026 NBA draft. The Jazz would lose his rights

[Ice009]

Is he actually not going to turn up to Utah?

What does that mean for Utah's draft pick? Do they get compensation?

[Mugen]

Harper vs. Flagg in Game 2 should be fun.

1938645852009951736

Hopefully they both make it to that game tbh. Could see both of them being shut down right after it but I'm sure the league is mandating they both play if healthy.

[Mugen]

Zero chance that Ace doesn't report. He'd lose a ton of money tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

He’s a knucklehead or chucklefuck, whatever your preference. He was the Ace Bailey of his draft, horrible interviews, bad body language. He was mocked 5-10, but dropped to 20. Like Ace,he’s an ISO guy who just isn’t efficient enough to be a primary scorer, and doesn’t play well enough off the ball to be a top support player. Just another case of star syndrome without sufficient talent to make it happen.
This

[djohn2oo8]

What spot does he play? SF? I guess he's not going to get any court time with Durant there now. I was interested in him pre-draft. Not sure if the Spurs have or ever had any interest in him.

How is his defense?
He defense is sometimesy. He bitches when he doesn’t get the ball or enough playing time. Pretty much complained about Ime to the media last year and that was pretty much the end of his time here.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1938660183657390085

[BatManu20]

Per league rules if Ace Bailey sits out for one year and doesn’t play for any professional team elsewhere he is eligible for the 2026 NBA draft. The Jazz would lose his rights

He'd lose over $10M and do irreparable damage to his reputation tbh. He'll report. Kid has some legit terrible advisors though. His agent is a dollar store version of Rich Paul. Reminds me of Uncle Dennis tbh.

1938610842049650700

[benefactor]

What a clown.

[ChumpDumper]

He'd lose over $10M and do irreparable damage to his reputation tbh. He'll report. Kid has some legit terrible advisors though. His agent is a dollar store version of Rich Paul. Reminds me of Uncle Dennis tbh.

1938610842049650700

Not an actual agent.

[SpursFan86]

I saw a tweet somewhere mentioning that his actual agent (not this Omar Cooper dude) pretty much killed all rumors of him not reporting to Utah or refusing to play for them. I think a lot of this is just media BS and will be a non-issue in a few days but we'll see.

[exstatic]

they apparently did it with CP3 but under very different circumstances

bigger issue with him is the expected salary range. if someone like denver offers him 25+ mil, thats a bit reach for what he brings

Denver doesn’t have that kind of money to throw around. They’ve had to offload guys over the last couple of years to stay below the second apron.

[SpursFan86]

I saw a tweet somewhere mentioning that his actual agent (not this Omar Cooper dude) pretty much killed all rumors of him not reporting to Utah or refusing to play for them. I think a lot of this is just media BS and will be a non-issue in a few days but we'll see.

Speak of the devil. Givony just tweeted out that Ace will be reporting to Utah on Sunday.

[spurraider21]

Denver doesn’t have that kind of money to throw around. They’ve had to offload guys over the last couple of years to stay below the second apron.
my bad, was a typo. meant detroit. will fix

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Kidd giving Flagg the Sochan treatment

Tim MacMahon: Jason Kidd has said multiple times that he’ll utilize Cooper Flagg as a “point guard” early and plans to push him by putting him in situations that might be uncomfortable.
Source: Twitter @espn_macmahon

[scott]

Speak of the devil. Givony just tweeted out that Ace will be reporting to Utah on Sunday.

boooooo, I want drama!

[Leetonidas]

Kidd giving Flagg the Sochan treatment

Tim MacMahon: Jason Kidd has said multiple times that he’ll utilize Cooper Flagg as a “point guard” early and plans to push him by putting him in situations that might be uncomfortable.
Source: Twitter @espn_macmahon

:lol didnt this dumbass try to do this with Giannis too before he got fired?

[BatManu20]

Not an actual agent.

According to this article from the NY Post it is.



Given the chance to clear up Bailey’s future with the Jazz, his agent, Omar Cooper, declined comment in an interview with ESPN’s Jonathan Givony (https://twitter.com/legionhoops/status/1938447232505942223?s=46) on Thursday night.

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst added that the Rutgers star has yet to report to the Jazz (https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1938442531039265135), who selected him with the fifth pick in Salt Lake City; Utah’s other first-round draft pick, Florida star Walter Clayton, has.

https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/sports/ace-baileys-jazz-future-gets-murkier-after-agent-interview/


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1yTHuWhYDNw/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJ D&rs=AOn4CLBIU9PlX_rpKD6tFvOoBiqpi-yvTw

[Leetonidas]

i already see Jazz fans trying to tell themselves it's not a big deal that he didn't hop on a plane yet...meanwhile Harper and Bryant were here the next day and already posing in their jerseys. Poor Jazz fans

[BatManu20]

I saw a tweet somewhere mentioning that his actual agent (not this Omar Cooper dude) pretty much killed all rumors of him not reporting to Utah or refusing to play for them. I think a lot of this is just media BS and will be a non-issue in a few days but we'll see.

That was Andrew Witlieb in the video. He's the President of GSE Worldwide, the agency that is representing Ace, but is not his actual agent. Omar Cooper is reportedly his agent.



Fans Express Displeasure with Ace Bailey’s Agent

Just days before the draft, Keith Pompey of The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that Bailey, once seen as a near-lock for a top-three selection, could slip in the draft due to his agency’s questionable tactics during the pre-draft process. That report proved to be prophetic.
“Multiple league sources said Bailey’s agent, Omar Cooper, wanted the Sixers to commit to him before his scheduled Friday workout. One league executive believes that Bailey, once a consensus top-three pick, probably will drop in the draft because of his agency’s tactics,” wrote Pompey in his report. (https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/ace-bailey-refuses-sixers-nba-draft-workout-rutgers--20250619.html?int_promo=)

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nba/ace-bailey-nba-draft-agent-controversy/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nba/ace-bailey-nba-draft-agent-controversy/)

[exstatic]

Hopefully they both make it to that game tbh. Could see both of them being shut down right after it but I'm sure the league is mandating they both play if healthy.

League doesn’t do that for SL. Wemby played a game and a half, Castle just played one game.