2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[vy65]

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[BatManu20]

Go get Siakam tbh
Vassell + Keldon for Siakim works money-wise.

So does Vassell + Sochan + Branham.

Just fyi.

[montgod]

Vassell + Keldon for Siakim works money-wise.

So does Vassell + Sochan + Branham.

Just fyi.

I don't know... I see IND trying to trade for one of Suns centers and/or signing a cheap one in FA and then trying to run it back. Definitely don't see them overhauling just yet.

[TD 21]

The Pacers aren't holding a fire sale, they're ducking the tax.

The Spurs will have to pay to get off of Vassell and/or Johnson.

[R. DeMurre]

I always thought the idea of Myles Turner was more interesting than the reality of Myles Turner. Honestly, I think Kornet as a back up at $11mil per is more conducive to roster management and winning than Turner as a starter at $26mil.

[mo7888]

Val traded to Denver for Dario

[LeBowen]

Valancinuas for Dario Saric trade.
Nuggets going all in.

Time to call the Kings and get Keegan Murray, tbh.

[montgod]

I always thought the idea of Myles Turner was more interesting than the reality of Myles Turner. Honestly, I think Kornet as a back up at $11mil per is more conducive to roster management and winning than Turner as a starter at $26mil.

I'd agree. He and JJJ just don't move the needle especially w/their lack of consistent rebounding as bigs.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania
ShamsCharania
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The Sacramento Kings are trading Jonas Valanciunas to the Denver Nuggets for Dario Saric, sources tell ESPN.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Free agent forward Gary Harris has agreed to a two-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, with a player option on the second season, sources tell ESPN. Bucks continue to fortify the roster with a veteran wing who played key rotation roles for playoff teams in Denver and Orlando

[LeBowen]

I'd agree. He and JJJ just don't move the needle especially w/their lack of consistent rebounding as bigs.

Turner is as good of a fit with Giannis as it gets.
Good rim protector and a good 3pt shooter. Giannis gets the rebounds, no need for a big to be doing it.

Bucks now need a decent point guard, time to try and get Jrue back for Kuzma.

[CGD]

The Pacers aren't holding a fire sale, they're ducking the tax.

The Spurs will have to pay to get off of Vassell and/or Johnson.

I wonder if Pacers are an Ayton landing spot. I think they went after him in the past.

[mystargtr34]

Yea that Vassell contract is looking more and more hideous every passing month especially now with the new CBA. Right now for someone to take on $100M and 4 years of a net negative 25 yo no defense low efficiency chucker it would cost you 2 FRPs very lightly protected if not unprotected. $50M per pick.

[TimDunkem]

Don't care what happens next as long as DV and KJ are long gone by the time the season starts.

[objective]

Doesn't Milwaukee still have a future first and a swap they can trade? It's not much but it could get them a decent point guard

I have to admire the balls on Horst and ownership. They aren't very good at their jobs and make wrong choices and evaluations more than right ones but they do have balls

The "gap year" plan would have asked Giannis to wait a full year to give them a chance. After a year, adding a first to Lillard could have been enough to dump him out straight or get a somewhat functional player on a bad deal in return. But they still wouldn't have a center.

This way they get a center aligned with Giannis prime who they can still trade later if Giannis wants out and get some value. They burn Lillard off like a wart and keep their picks. $22 million a year is a lot, but if they had waited a year and done it over 3 it would have almost the same impact anyway except over 4 years. And if Giannis wants out ever then sure they wouldn't be able to use that 22 every year to launder picks for a bad contract, but 22 doesn't buy what it used to. Brooklyn got what, pick 22 for laundering cap room for the Porzingis trade? Spurs got a single swap for 2 years of Barnes? Not a big deal for a team burned to the foundation

They brought back Portis, Trent, and Porter .... They got them balls

[vy65]

Nugz are looking good. Vecenie was talking yesterday about how they could still improve if they found a taker for Saric. They did. They have a huge amount of roster flexibility in being able to go double big or not. I kinda like them vs. OKC now.

[spurraider21]

why did the kings give away V for saric lol. just a salary dump. shameful stuff tbh :lol

[Degoat]

If Beal gets waived I could see the bucks being the destination for him. Tre Mann could definitely be their PG target

[baseline bum]

They are paying 22.5 million for the next 5 years for a player who’s not on the roster. Wild.

Jesus, they must know they're right on the edge of losing Giannis to pull a move like this.

[vagisil]

Shams Charania
ShamsCharania
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The Sacramento Kings are trading Jonas Valanciunas to the Denver Nuggets for Dario Saric, sources tell ESPN.

What is SAC trying to do? Are they on year down mode already?

[Chinook]

You don't trade Vassell. You try ro get use out of him. STers want to get rid of him, but the only way out is through. Develop him the right way and hope whatever you saw in him manifests. Barnes, Wesley, Branham and Champagnie are the moveable contracts. Keldon is around for moral support, spot minutes and to be the ballast next season. The team can still trade for a bunch of salary at this point. But they need a good target.

[Manu20]

Now that Giannis will most likely not be demanding a trade anytime soon, it would be wise for the Spurs to start using the future extra picks to explore trades for high end role players. My guess is that the spurs were holding on overpaying in any trades with the hope of landing Giannis.

With the young core set (Wemby, Castle, Harper to a lesser extent Bryant) we wont be needing any extra 1st round picks IMHO.

[LeBowen]

Develop him the right way and hope whatever you saw in him manifests.

He's been on the roster for 5 full years, we're deep into sunken cost fallacy territory.

[BatManu20]

What a steal for Denver. Easily the best backup big Jokic has had in years. The corpse of DeAndre Jordan wasn't cutting it. On the flip side, Kings are so poverty man. Kinda sad tbh.

[Mugen]

Milwaukee going for it and the Kings being the Kings is great for the Spurs assets tbh. I hope more teams in the West start committing to a tank next season.

[baseline bum]

OKC should pay SGA whatever he wants, however he wants. Glad to see he is happy in a small market.

Pretty much, he singlehandedly saved OKC's season in Game 4 when it looked like Indy was primed to be up 3-1.

[TD 21]

I wonder if Pacers are an Ayton landing spot. I think they went after him in the past.

Probably and I believe they can offer roughly $6M more than the Lakers.

[montgod]

Turner is as good of a fit with Giannis as it gets.
Good rim protector and a good 3pt shooter. Giannis gets the rebounds, no need for a big to be doing it.

Bucks now need a decent point guard, time to try and get Jrue back for Kuzma.

Yeah I was speaking in general. Definitely a good fit with Giannis.

If Jrue is truly unhappy, I could see a reroute back to the Bucks. He's still super pricey though along w/Lilliard's dead money at that PG spot. Giddey could be an option as well although he's RFA or dare I say Simmons :lol

[objective]

Didn't Saric spend a year with Golden State? And the Kings owner is a massive Golden State simp?

Could it be that simple or was there a 2nd rounder involved?

[baseline bum]

Man I can't wait for SpursTalk to bitch constantly about John Collins.

If they sign him to a four year contract at $27 million per then yeah there will be bitching.

[Mugen]

Doesn't Denver still have their MLE? If they can bring in some backcourt help, they'd be #2 behind the Thunder tbh.

Murray/MLE
Braun/Strawther
Cam/Brown
Gordon/Watson
Jokic/Val

They also have that rookie coming back from injury.

Pretty damn good team tbh.

[mo7888]

I'd be having long conversations with Sacramento and Nola right now. Both seem inept and ready to be fleeced (if there's anything left to fleece).

[CorrectCrusader]

Sorry this is off topic, but is anyone else having trouble posting new threads and the "character limit" thing being out of wack?

[BatManu20]

CP3 should be trying to hitch his wagon to Jokic tbh. They need a reliable backup PG and that's his best bet at a ring.

[R. DeMurre]

Knicks signed Yabusele... I think that leaves Chris Boucher as the best option for both the Spurs and the Nuggets.

The Nuggets are really having a great off season, adding Cam and Val, and still having their MLE.

[TimDunkem]

He's been on the roster for 5 full years, we're deep into sunken cost fallacy territory.

2 years away from being 2 years away.

[Mugen]

CP3 should be trying to hitch his wagon to Jokic tbh. They need a reliable backup PG and that's his best bet at a ring.

This tbh. Denver isn't that far from LA tbh.

[LeBowen]

Knicks signed Yabusele... I think that leaves Chris Boucher as the best option for both the Spurs and the Nuggets.

We don't need backup forwards, we need a starter. Collins or PJ Washington.

[itzsoweezee]

Knicks signed Yabusele... I think that leaves Chris Boucher as the best option for both the Spurs and the Nuggets.

The Nuggets are really having a great off season, adding Cam and Val, and still having their MLE.

I’ma Boucher fan. He’d give the spurs a lot of lineup flexibility

[baseline bum]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.

[Ariel]

You don't trade Vassell. You try ro get use out of him. STers want to get rid of him, but the only way out is through. Develop him the right way and hope whatever you saw in him manifests. Barnes, Wesley, Branham and Champagnie are the moveable contracts. Keldon is around for moral support, spot minutes and to be the ballast next season. The team can still trade for a bunch of salary at this point. But they need a good target.
I tend to agree with this. Right now his value is so low Spurs would need to add assets to move him. That's a result of his own shortcomings, but Spurs roster construction and coaching has had a lot to do with him never improving like he was expected to. This seems like the season Spurs are starting to make sense, if Vassell hops on (improving his 3, changing his shot diet, getting to the line more often, consistently playing both ends) then the options may be different in a year. But probably not right now.

[Ariel]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.
Yeah, I probably would. That pick is going to be around 20, best case scenario. Probably worse TBH.

[vagisil]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.

If the Jazz are selling him hard, and still no takers, id say no. Best we can do is a bunch of 2nds.

[Mr. Body]

If they sign him to a four year contract at $27 million per then yeah there will be bitching.

There's going to be bitching no matter what.

[Mr. Body]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.

Lol, hell no

[spurraider21]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.
nah, and im as big a collins proponent there is on this board

[Mr. Body]

Lol, hell no

I mean, considering the other option apparently is to trade him for Jarace freaking Walker.

[Leetonidas]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.

No way. Maybe if we had our own pick but as much as I'd like to dump vassell Im not attaching 1sts to do it

[Mugen]

For once I'm with Chinook on this one. Not sure why we're trying to get rid of Vassell when his value is this low unless it's a slam dunk trade for us tbh.

I think there's a fair shot he has a better start to the year and has way more value down the road at the deadline or next offseason.

[Chinook]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.

They really don't. ST has lost perspective on their players because the team has underperformed their talent for years. Vassell seems overpaid but he's still one of the best players on the roster the Spurs would be weaker trading him away. If they want Collins, they can trade Barnes and one of their low-salary expiring for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the fuck off this roster.

that would be idiotic

[R. DeMurre]

We don't need backup forwards, we need a starter. Collins or PJ Washington.


I like Boucher for cheap over Collins or PJ for the same reason I like an inexpensive Kornet over Myles Turner... Boucher's BPM, WS/48, etc are all better than both of those guys and he thrives in the role of bench spark, and he'll probably be less than half the price of either, and possibly even a third of their cost.

[Mr. Body]

They really don't. ST has lost perspective on their players because the team has underperformed their talent for years. Vassell seems overpaid but he's still one of the best players on the roster the Spurs would be weaker trading him away. If they want Collins, they can trade Barnes and one of their low-salary expiring for him.

This site is filled with people who, when Vic had his 50 point game, rushed into the post-game thread to complain about Zach Collins. That's just who these people are, bitchers and moaners. Vassell barely matters. His contract goes for too long, but there's no insane rush to get rid of him or Keldon. It's just a bunch of freaks who get off on bitching, that's it.

[Mugen]

This site is filled with people who, when Vic had his 50 point game, rushed into the post-game thread to complain about Zach Collins. That's just who these people are, bitchers and moaners. Vassell barely matters. His contract goes for too long, but there's no insane rush to get rid of him or Keldon. It's just a bunch of freaks who get off on bitching, that's it.

Yet, here you are bitching about the bitching tbh :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

The anti-Vassell crew doesn’t seem to understand that his contract will actually look better and better down the line because it doesn’t go up while the cap does. Devin is still one of the 5 best players on the team. Give him the 3-and-D offball role, so he can get his value up. Then include him in a big trade if you make one later.

this whole „let’s salary dump Vassell right now for an ATL pick“ agenda is straight lunacy.

[LeBowen]

For once I'm with Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) on this one. Not sure why we're trying to get rid of Vassell when his value is this low unless it's a slam dunk trade for us tbh.

I think there's a fair shot he has a better start to the year and has way more value down the road at the deadline or next offseason.

Devin can be useful for certain teams, but he's not a good fit with our roster.
Last year we did better with Champagnie even though Vassell is obviously a better player individually.

Instead of giving Castle/Harper great size advantage by playing two actual wings, we'll push one of them to play SF to accomodate Devin.
Remember Memphis games and Bane running through him over and over again? That's exactly what's going to happen again.

He had 5 years to prove his worth, I'm not buying that we can develop him into a good defender after all this time.
And there's no point if forcing him into a stricly catch and shoot role if he can't defend.

He'd do well for teams that need secondary creators like the Hawks or the Bucks, he doesn't provide much value for us anymore.

[DesignatedT]

Well I mean Keldon just serves no purpose on this roster with how it's currently constructed. Spare me the Locker room presence talk. Fox and Barnes are on this team and if the Spurs are worried about the locker room they can grab some end of bench vets to fil the roster out.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yet, here you are bitching about the bitching tbh :lol

ain‘t that a bitch

[Seventyniner]

ain‘t that a bitch

Bitchception up in here.

[Jordan Jackson]

The Pacers aren't holding a fire sale, they're ducking the tax.

The Spurs will have to pay to get off of Vassell and/or Johnson.

Overpaying those two chuckle fucks is really bitting the Spurs in the ass right now. Hope they don’t add Sochan to the list.

I like the Nuggets offseason. They are showing moves are and were possible - it was simply the fact that Calvin Booth was incompetent. Good firing by the Nuggets. Finally putting some nice pieces around Joker.

[LeBowen]

I like Boucher for cheap over Collins or PJ for the same reason I like an inexpensive Kornet over Myles Turner... Boucher's BPM, WS/48, etc are all better than both of those guys and he thrives in the role of bench spark, and he'll probably be less than half the price of either, and possibly even a third of their cost.

We don't need a bench spark, we need a 30mpg PF who won't get bullied and is a solid 3pt shooter.
Advanced stats for role players often don't scale when they have to play more minutes.
Kornet's are for example fine, because he was a 15mpg player for the Celtics and won't have bigger role for us.

[Leetonidas]

Yet, here you are bitching about the bitching tbh :lol

Body still complaining about posters on ST as if he isn't one himself :lol

[Mugen]

Devin can be useful for certain teams, but he's not a good fit with our roster.
Last year we did better with Champagnie even though Vassell is obviously a better player individually.

Instead of giving Castle/Harper great size advantage by playing two actual wings, we'll push one of them to play SF to accomodate Devin.
Remember Memphis games and Bane running through him over and over again? That's exactly what's going to happen again.

He had 5 years to prove his worth, I'm not buying that we can develop him into a good defender after all this time.
And there's no point if forcing him into a stricly catch and shoot role if he can't defend.

He'd do well for teams that need secondary creators like the Hawks or the Bucks, he doesn't provide much value for us anymore.

We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Yet, here you are bitching about the bitching tbh :lol

Yeah, pointing out the bitching is... bitching, I guess. What a stupid comment.

[Mr. Body]

Body still complaining about posters on ST as if he isn't one himself :lol

Hey, when Wemby scores 50 I celebrate him, I don't rush in to whine about Zack Collins.

If you don't see the problem here, I can't help you.

[T Park]

Body still complaining about posters on ST as if he isn't one himself :lol

yet hes 100% spot on

[T Park]

We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.

hand wringing about shooting has gone from, yeah it prob should be, to ok lets calm down.

[objective]

In case anyone was interested, I believe the most PJ Washington could sign for in an extension is 4/90. So if he was available and agreeable to an extension then the Spurs would get cost certainty at what, 22.5 on average?

Collins would be eligible for a whole lot more than he could ever reasonably sign for. But if Collins expired after this year with Utah let's say, would the Spurs even have the cap space to sign him to an above mle deal?

[LeBowen]

We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.

It's a tough decision either way.
I can understand giving him another year, but they have to be aware that if he fails again, we'll be stuck with a player noone will want.
We can't forget about his injuries, he missed 76 games over the past 3 seasons.

[Leetonidas]

Hey, when Wemby scores 50 I celebrate him, I don't rush in to whine about Zack Collins.

If you don't see the problem here, I can't help you.

As I've said many times this board is made up of 100s of posters and everyone has different opinions. Some people bitch about everything, some people are blind homers, some are in-between. You like to lump all of ST into one category and constantly complain about the people who post here. If you dislike ST opinions so much why are you even here?

[LeBowen]

45/3 for Schroeder.

Kangz :lmao

[Chinook]

Well I mean Keldon just serves no purpose on this roster with how it's currently constructed. Spare me the Locker room presence talk. Fox and Barnes are on this team and if the Spurs are worried about the locker room they can grab some end of bench vets to fil the roster out.

Team chemistry is definitely not an afterthought, especially on a club that's trying to become a winning squad. It's possible to bring in guys with good personalities, but whether a person becomes an off-court leader or whether guys bond isn't a matter of arithmetic. Johnson remained the cultural leader despite Paul and Barnes was on the squad. That should be a sign that his role isn't quite as modular as you're implying. That doesn't make him untouchable, but the team has other means to accomplish their goals

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent center Jericho Sims has agreed to a two-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, including a player option in the second season, sources tell ESPN. Milwaukee retains a lob threat big man in Sims, who played in a career high 53 games last season and all 5 playoff games

[Leetonidas]

Hey, when Wemby scores 50 I celebrate him, I don't rush in to whine about Zack Collins.

If you don't see the problem here, I can't help you.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304500

Is this the thread you're talking about? :lmao where are all these posters "rushing" in to whine about Collins? Looks like one person (Dejounte) and you got all emo about it

[ace3g]

Bleacher Report
@BleacherReport
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Bucks are trading Pat Connaughton and two second-round picks to the Hornets for Vasilije Micic, per ShamsCharania

[Spurs Homer]

Pretty much, he singlehandedly saved OKC's season in Game 4 when it looked like Indy was primed to be up 3-1.

Hope those refs got part of that cash tbh...

[LeBowen]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304500

Is this the thread you're talking about? :lmao where are all these posters "rushing" in to whine about Collins? Looks like one person (Dejounte) and you got all emo about it

Collins had an objectively good season, tbh.

[Ice009]

SGA agrees to 4-yr/$285M Super Max with OKc. Largest contract in NBA history. Wild.

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Congrats to Shai. What a season for him on a personal level and also congrats to bringing OKC a title. Much, much more likeable Thunder team than the ones with Durant, Westbrook, Harden.

[vy65]

The anti-Vassell crew doesn’t seem to understand that his contract will actually look better and better down the line because it doesn’t go up while the cap does. Devin is still one of the 5 best players on the team. Give him the 3-and-D offball role, so he can get his value up. Then include him in a big trade if you make one later.

this whole „let’s salary dump Vassell right now for an ATL pick“ agenda is straight lunacy.

Those reductions aren't as big as you'd think.

25-26: $27MM. 17% of a 154.647 cap
26-27: $27MM. 16% of a 165 cap
27-28: $24.6MM. 14% of a 173.25 cap
28-29: $27MM. 15% of a 182 cap

[objective]

Boucher is entering his year 33 season. No thanks

[Mugen]

hand wringing about shooting has gone from, yeah it prob should be, to ok lets calm down.

How? Barnes, Vassell, and Champ. Those are the only average 3pt shooters we have on the roster tbh. We still badly need it.

[Dex]

You only move Vassell if he is a part of a bigger, better deal.

You don't move him just for the sake of moving him, and you definitely don't give up assets to do so.

Let him stay on the roster and play him accordingly, and he's fine. And I say that as someone who has a record of not being a huge Devin fan.

[R. DeMurre]

We don't need a bench spark, we need a 30mpg PF who won't get bullied and is a solid 3pt shooter.
Advanced stats for role players often don't scale when they have to play more minutes.
Kornet's are for example fine, because he was a 15mpg player for the Celtics and won't have bigger role for us.


I don't expect them to scale-- I want to use Boucher and Kornet in their bench roles, and for now create greater depth. For me, Collins just isn't the answer. Every time his raw stats have jumped off the page, it's been for bad teams, really bad teams. At $26mil next year and an expectation of more in the future, I just don't see it. He was the tank commander of a 17 win team. For me he's a prime example of John Wooden's "don't mistake activity for achievement."

[vagisil]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Free agent center Jericho Sims has agreed to a two-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, including a player option in the second season, sources tell ESPN. Milwaukee retains a lob threat big man in Sims, who played in a career high 53 games last season and all 5 playoff games

Still no center for the Lakers huh lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

At the deadline:


The Sacramento Kings announced today that the team has acquired center Jonas Valančiūnas in exchange for forward Sidy Cissoko, a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 second-round pick.



Jake Fischer: There’s no additional terms in the trade between Sacramento and Denver, sources say. Straight up swap of Jonas Valanciunas for Dario Saric (https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/1940082204857827577).

WTF are the Kangz doing? :lol

[Mugen]

Lakers are gonna get Ayton tbh. I don't see him going to Indy even if they have more $ to offer.

[The Truth #6]

What's the saying, "Every accusation is an admission?"

[RC_Drunkford]

Those reductions aren't as big as you'd think.

25-26: $27MM. 17% of a 154.647 cap
26-27: $27MM. 16% of a 165 cap
27-28: $24.6MM. 14% of a 173.25 cap
28-29: $27MM. 15% of a 182 cap

it was 19.2% last season and goes down to 14%. That's quite the decline.

[Dverde]

DeRozan probably in that Jack in a Box parking lot a lot these days looking after seeing these Kangz FA moves.

[T Park]

Lakers are gonna get Ayton tbh. I don't see him going to Indy even if they have more $ to offer.

playing time and a playoff team >

[scott]

You only move Vassell if he is a part of a bigger, better deal.

You don't move him just for the sake of moving him, and you definitely don't give up assets to do so.

Let him stay on the roster and play him accordingly, and he's fine. And I say that as someone who has a record of not being a huge Devin fan.

I’m the guy who had an Anti-Devin avatar for most of last season, and I approve this message.

Paying to dump Devin would be foolish. If there is a neutral value or better deal out there that nets you a better fit, then we should absolutely take a hard look at that… but I agree that we shouldn’t be thinking about giving up assets to dump Vassell.

The Spurs have just being going too long and/or about 20% too high on their extensions. Devin has 4 years left at around $27MM/per. If it were 3 years, $22MM AAV then he’d look a lot different both to us and to other teams. Keldon’s salary is fine, but it’s one year too long. He’d be easy to move if he were expiring, but that will have to wait another year.

Hopefully the Spurs have learned from those deals and don’t make the exact same mistake with Sochan. That deal needs to be a 3+1 (TO) at about $16MM AAV or less.

[scott]

As realistic, lower end moves still out there… I like Boucher and Nance as bench pieces. I doubt the Spurs have eyes on either though. I think Wright will try to wiggle his way into a trade where we get back unexpected positive value. That seems to be one of his favorite moves and it has worked for us in the past. Leaving open some roster spots for now just in case those opportunities present themselves… it’s not like Mamu and Bassey are going anywhere if they need to eventually fill those last two spots.

[Mugen]

Keldon is definitely great to have around for team morale after losses. But Keldon is also a big reason why they lose so much so maybe they won't need these morale boosters with him gone tbh :lol

[R. DeMurre]

The Buddhists say Change is the only true constant, but there's also the terrible decision making of the Sacramento Kings, which might be more profound than Time or Change.

[poopbox]

He'd be cheap and can shoot better than Sochan. We're probably talking Mamu role here, though might as well just keep Mamu for that tbh.

Exactly.:lol

And literally everyone shoots better than Sochan. :lol

[scott]

It’s amazing how the Kangz and Pels did complete front office overhauls and somehow managed to become even more incompetent.

[mo7888]

It’s amazing how the Kangz and Pels did complete front office overhauls and somehow managed to become even more incompetent.

It's an amazing talent...

[Dverde]

Vassell just needs to work on his shot selection, stay healthy, and try to do less. I think he is going to thrive with this team. He may not score as much but I think his shooting percentages will be much higher. He could be our future sixth man when Keldon leaves.

[poopbox]

:lol how else were they supposed to get Turner? Giannis trying to save face tbh

Let's be real you honestly think Giannis knows anything about how the cap works :lol

Probably never occurred to him Lillard would get waived after he got Turner to come to the Bucks :lol

[scottspurs]

The 2031 pick swap the Spurs own with the Sacramento Kings is the greatest asset the Spurs have left. Imagine having Wemby, Castle and Harper all in their primes and having a top 5 pick. The Kings are headed towards the bottom. Keep them on the mediocracy treadmill for a couple more years and reap the benefits

[scott]

It's an amazing talent...

I wonder if they have a grainy old GM Training Video (VHS, of course) that they show these guys on their first day.

”Introducing you to the Kangz Way!” And it opens with a montage video Marvin Bagley III

[scott]

I wonder if they have a grainy old GM Training Video (VHS, of course) that they show these guys on their first day.

”Introducing you to the Kangz Way!” And it opens with a montage video Marvin Bagley III

ChatGPT Image idea :lol

With AI to work with this when I get into the office

[vander]

We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.

and his contract is flat, it's not really hurting the spurs now, and it only gets better

[CGD]

It’s amazing how the Kangz and Pels did complete front office overhauls and somehow managed to become even more incompetent.

Ownership matters. Pels are the annoyance the Benson's deal with while the focus on the Saints, and Vivek is a meddling owner who surrounds himself with sycophants.

[T Park]

Amir Coffey would be a good fit and help with the shooting.....

[mo7888]

I wonder if they have a grainy old GM Training Video (VHS, of course) that they show these guys on their first day.

”Introducing you to the Kangz Way!” And it opens with a montage video Marvin Bagley III

I'm pretty sure it's an Isaiah Thomas short course they're attending...

[timtonymanu]

DeRozan probably in that Jack in a Box parking lot a lot these days looking after seeing these Kangz FA moves.

DeMar’s a nice guy but he never was an impactful player for a team that wants to compete. Dudes good for middling teams that only want to compete in the play in.

[Dverde]

DeMar’s a nice guy but he never was an impactful player for a team that wants to compete. Dudes good for middling teams that only want to compete in the play in.

Maybe he’ll go back to Toronto since Masai is gone now. He can do a retirement tour like his idol Kobe.

[BatManu20]

Mamu to the Raptors. 2 yrs/$5.5M

1940103024606945752

[spurraider21]

2/5.5 deal for Mamu

[vy65]

As realistic, lower end moves still out there… I like Boucher and Nance as bench pieces. I doubt the Spurs have eyes on either though. I think Wright will try to wiggle his way into a trade where we get back unexpected positive value. That seems to be one of his favorite moves and it has worked for us in the past. Leaving open some roster spots for now just in case those opportunities present themselves… it’s not like Mamu and Bassey are going anywhere if they need to eventually fill those last two spots.

Goddamn you

[Dex]

So long Mamu :cry

[Degoat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[onechance87]

NOOOOOOOOOOO MAMUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[WaywardTexan]

Goddamn you

Scott really jinxed us.

[Blizzardwizard]

ok which ST user is playing power forward next year?



if you're tiktok savvy, play no defense and learn some towel-waving skills you might just earn yourself a $146 million extension in the process

[rjv]

They really don't. ST has lost perspective on their players because the team has underperformed their talent for years. Vassell seems overpaid but he's still one of the best players on the roster the Spurs would be weaker trading him away. If they want Collins, they can trade Barnes and one of their low-salary expiring for him.

ST mob mentality. The logic is flawed as well-bitch about how awful Vassell is and then somehow include him in trades as if he only has value when he's a trade piece. better to see what Devin can do with a full camp and as the 3rd or 4th option than make a relatively lateral move.

[HankChinaski]

Not surprised at Mamu gone. Writing was on the wall during exit interviews and comments

[rjv]

had to clear roster space-mamu was a numbers casualty. so much for any more flavor fav appearances.

[Ariel]

Great guy, filled his role well, but Spurs should aim higher and I'm glad he landed on his feet somewhere. Best of luck, Sandro!

[Mugen]

Good for Mamu tbh, hope he gets more playing time.

[Ice009]

ST mob mentality. The logic is flawed as well-bitch about how awful Vassell is and then somehow include him in trades as if he only has value when he's a trade piece. better to see what Devin can do with a full camp and as the 3rd or 4th option than make a relatively lateral move.

I still have a little bit of belief left in Devin. If I were in charge, Devin would be last on my list of guys from the FSC (friendship crew) to trade.

[Limguogolo]

No Gueschon, No Mamu... wtf. And for small contracts.

[SpursFan86]

So the big question now: are the Spurs really fine to go into next season with Sochan/Barnes/Bryant as their PFs? Or is there going to be another move made here?

[TimmyBuckets]

Man I really wanted Mamu back and he got a 2 year 5.5, which Spurs could easily afford, but I guess with a true backup Center and other forwards Spurs didn't want to keep him. OK so no Yabu cuz I guess Spurs didn't want both him and Kornet. Seems more and more like they're going to want a shooter.

[HankChinaski]

I think the pressure is on Utah with J. Collins. Most teams had probably made calls but not budging at Utahs ask.

I would hope Spurs went or only thinking something simple in the realm like Keldon/Barnes + Branham + 1 to 2 2nd rd picks.

[Ice009]

had to clear roster space-mamu was a numbers casualty. so much for any more flavor fav appearances.

Might get some more appearances in Toronto hopefully with Flavor Flav. That would be good, especially if Mamu shows out more with him attending some more games.

[LeBowen]

I think the pressure is on Utah with J. Collins. Most teams had probably made calls but not budging at Utahs ask.

The most likely issue is that Jazz don't want to take long-term contracts on, but there aren't many contenders that can match 26 million with expiring deals.

Trading Barnes for Collins would improve our physicality and rebounding, but our shooting would get worse even though Collins is a good shooter.
It would be ideal to move Keldon for Collins, but then we'd have to add more value since Keldon has another year.

[Dex]

I think the pressure is on Utah with J. Collins. Most teams had probably made calls but not budging at Utahs ask.

I would hope Spurs went or only thinking something simple in the realm like Keldon/Barnes + Branham + 1 to 2 2nd rd picks.

Knowing Ainge, he probably wants Castle + Harper + three 1st round picks/swaps.

Oh, and Barnes…just to make the salaries work

[scott]

Goddamn you

fuck me, again.

i'm going to stop discussing any player I actually want on our team

[scott]

Scott really jinxed us.

I'm really sorry about this. This is not what I wanted.

[Dex]

Rival GMs following scott for intel :lol

[scott]

Rival GMs following scott (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=150) for intel :lol

Now is the time for us to triple down on Devin and Keldon. I wouldn't even take TMIII and Herb for them. Joe Dumars better not even try to pull a fast one on us!

[mo7888]

I'm really sorry about this. This is not what I wanted.

Please don't mention Jarace again...

[BatManu20]

The Buddhists say Change is the only true constant, but there's also the terrible decision making of the Sacramento Kings, which might be more profound than Time or Change.

Kings are going all-in on the tank tbh. Which is the right choice, given that they're nowhere near contending for anything and the 2026 Draft looks to be a good one. But salary-dumping Valunciunas instead of at least getting some SRP's is just dumb and lazy. Unless they tried, but I seriously doubt they couldn't have gotten at least some type of draft capital for a solid player like him.

[Mugen]

Kings are going all-in on the tank tbh. Which is the right choice, given that they're nowhere near contending for anything and the 2026 Draft looks to be a good one. But salary-dumping Valunciunas instead of at least getting some SRP's is just dumb and lazy. Unless they tried, but I seriously doubt they couldn't have gotten at least some type of draft capital for a solid player like him.

If they're tanking then i don't understand the logic of giving Schroeder 3yr/45mil tbh. That's not a super easy contract to flip this season.

[mo7888]

Kings are going all-in on the tank tbh. Which is the right choice, given that they're nowhere near contending for anything and the 2026 Draft looks to be a good one. But salary-dumping Valunciunas instead of at least getting some SRP's is just dumb and lazy. Unless they tried, but I seriously doubt they couldn't have gotten at least some type of draft capital for a solid player like him.

Are there any Kings we'd be interested in? Sabonis of the just want to rotate 3 bigs a bunch of guards i guess? Murray, if you believe in him (I don't), Monk or Ellis could be nice.

[T Park]

good upgrade his spot with someone who can actually spell defense

[vy65]

So what's the depth chart look like now?

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/JC/Branham
Vassel/Keldon/Bryant/Ingram
HB/Sochan/Minnix
Wemby/Kornet

So no one spots assuming Ingram and Minnix stay with the varsity team (which, hopefully, isn't likely). At most, we have 2 open spots barring a consolidation trade.

edit: forgot CB

[Chinook]

I've been very clear on PF not being an area the Spurs should be spending assets on, but Obi Toppin may be an option. He was a pretty popular trade-away candidate in Pacers discussions, though losing Turner probably makes that less likely. He could possibly still be had for two of Branham/Wesley/Champagnie. Or if the Spurs trade one of Branham/Wesley for Kornet, they could take Toppin into the MLE. OG Chinook historians know I've long been a fan of Obi as a vertical threat and energy guy. He's not the defender/rebounder so many want, but I do think he'd be a good compliment to Wemby and Fox In the PnR and transition. That he's also a good shooter is just icing on the cake.

[024]

Really wanted the Spurs to retain Mamu after missing out on Yabusele. Not sure why the Spurs were always so low on him when he has shown he can be a net positive on the floor and shown flashes of greater abilities. Would have been a cheap backup at the 4/5 spot who can play alongside Wemby. Don't really like their options at 4 right now.

[DPG21920]

Keldon for Collins makes sense.

[Chinook]

So what's the depth chart look like now?

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/JC/Branham
Vassel/Keldon/Ingram
HB/Sochan/Minnix
Wemby/Kornet

Still have one roster spot assuming Ingram and Minnix stay with the varsity team (which, hopefully, isn't likely)

I don't see Bryant on your list. That would be 15, but I think if Ingram or Minnix were going to be on the big team that they'd've received real contracts and not just two-way tenders.

[LeBowen]

So what's the depth chart look like now?

Fox/Harper/Wesley
Castle/JC/Branham
Vassel/Keldon/Ingram
HB/Sochan/Minnix
Wemby/Kornet

Still have one roster spot assuming Ingram and Minnix stay with the varsity team (which, hopefully, isn't likely)

You forgot our #14 pick, tbh.

[T Park]

Really wanted the Spurs to retain Mamu after missing out on Yabusele. Not sure why the Spurs were always so low on him when he has shown he can be a net positive on the floor and shown flashes of greater abilities. Would have been a cheap backup at the 4/5 spot who can play alongside Wemby. Don't really like out options at 4 right now.

because he can't play defense.

worse than or as bad as Keldon.

[T Park]

I don't see Bryant on your list. That would be 15, but I think if Ingram or Minnix were going to be on the big team that they'd've received real contracts and not just two-way tenders.

still can.

no reason to rush that, especially when they can be had for cheap two ways

[TimmyBuckets]

So who are the best shooters available?

Duncan Robinson
Amir Coffee
Garrison Mathews
Quentin Grimes

IDK tbh just want a shooter

[T Park]

Amir Coffey would be a great pickup.

[scott]

Will add to the ChatGPT images thread, but too good not to share here

https://i.imgur.com/UWPM7Z2.jpeg

[objective]

Miami is still mentioned as the most likely outcome for John Collins by trading out Rosier and I can see it. Especially with the Lillard news. Miami could think they could get Lillard cheap and rehab him for next season, get Collins now and foresee a future of:

Lillard-Davion
Herro-Jakucuinous
Wiggins-Highsmith
Collins-Bam
Bam-Ware

With bench guys like Jovic, Kyle Anderson, etc

[vy65]

I don't see Bryant on your list. That would be 15, but I think if Ingram or Minnix were going to be on the big team that they'd've received real contracts and not just two-way tenders.


You forgot our #14 pick, tbh.

:tu fixed

[vy65]

Will add to the ChatGPT images thread, but too good not to share here

https://i.imgur.com/UWPM7Z2.jpeg

crofl 2023 playoff participant banner

[Ice009]

Pat Riley will be on the phone to Lillard. I'm pretty sure he's going to go after him hard.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
Toronto Raptors center Jakob Poeltl has agreed on a four-year, $104 million contract extension with the franchise through 2029-30, sources tell ESPN. Poeltl will pick up his 2026-27 player option at $19.5M and add three additional years to his deal

[Degoat]

104 million for Poeltl! Lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Return of spurstalk‘s favorite PF?

1940027227741012132

[objective]

I thought they fired Masai? Who is the new idiot in charge of Toronto?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dang. Well done Poeltl. Massive extension.

Toronto and Sacramento seem to be the only franchises that haven’t got the memo about the new financial realities. Soon to be joined by the Bulls after they give 150 mil to Giddey and 100+ on a sign and trade for Kuminga.

[benefactor]

Poeltl getting that retirement money. Good for him.

[Mugen]

Holy shit Jak, good for you :lol

[spurraider21]

well the raptors sure are committed. they gave him 4/80 after trading for him now followed up with over 4/100

[vy65]

Crofl that Jak extension ...

[LeBowen]

Raptors back to treadmill franchise status.

[Ice009]

Geez. Good on him I guess. He can't shoot straight, but somehow hit the jackpot.

[SpursFan86]

Poeltl contract should make everyone here chill the hell out on critiquing the Kornet deal :lol Holy shit.

[spursistan]

ROFL @ that Poeltl contract..And you had folks crying about Kornet getting 30mil guaranteed :lol

[Mugen]

500mil committed to Quickley, Ingram, RJ Barrett, and Jak is nasty business tbh. Good lord :lol

[scott]

I know someone who knows someone connected to Dame through one of his main endorsement deals...

Apparently that deal has a clause that Dame doesn't get paid on it if he's not on a team. With that said, apparently Dame thinks he'll be back by the trade deadline and he might just stay a FA and sign on with a playoff team around then for the push. Also, Dame wants to retire a Blazer (not sure if in a ceremonial capacity or as an actual player)

[Ice009]

Did Masai get fired or did he leave? Maybe he hit the eject button on all this.

Edit : Can Dame (or anyone) come back that quickly from his injury? That would be super impressive if he can. I couldn't believe that he tried to play so soon after the blood clots. This guy is a lot tougher than I thought as far as will/wanting to play. It doesn't look like he's someone that wants to sit out. Seems he's willing to risk his career and life on playing (I don't know how risky it was for him to come back so soon after the blood clots). I respect him wanting to come back and play sooner than he probably should. I hope it works out OK for him. I was very interested on getting him on the Spurs before he was traded to the Bucks, but a good move that the Spurs didn't give up a bunch of assets for him.

[scott]

Does TOR get to pay in Canadian Dollars? That's the only way their cap sheet makes sense to me :lol

[John B]

104 million for Poeltl! Lol

Of course he’s a top 10 center

[Mugen]

Of course he’s a top 10 center

No he's not, what? :lol

[BatManu20]

Goddamn Jak, get your money son :lol

[Ice009]

No he's not, what? :lol

I would not rate him that highly either.

[benefactor]

No he's not, what? :lol
Consider who you are talking to:lol

[spursistan]

Shroeder & Poeltl for the worst contract belt in this free agency..

[vy65]

Of course he’s a top 10 center

Jokic
AD
Turner
Wemby
KAT
Embiid (if healthy)
Sabonis
Gobert
Sengun
Bam

Allen/Chet/Zubac/Hartenstein/Purtle are the next 5. He's not a top 10 center.

[Ice009]

Shroeder & Poeltl for the worst contract belt in this free agency..

That Shroeder contract might be up there with 50 Mills.

[BatManu20]

Jokic
AD
Turner
Wemby
KAT
Embiid (if healthy)
Sabonis
Gobert
Sengun
Bam

Allen/Chet/Zubac/Hartenstein/Purtle are the next 5. He's not a top 10 center.

Porzingis too tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Shroeder & Poeltl for the worst contract belt in this free agency..

Bulls haven’t given up on this race. They’re working hard as we speak.

[Seventyniner]

Return of spurstalk‘s favorite PF?

Right on time to dust this one off again.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.maillotsbasketfr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F07%2F2020-21-41-Trey-Lyles-San-Antonio-Spurs-Jersey-Black-City-Edition.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0dcf74dd4e4bc9afcbeea739d0deffe29a04f0d4c3fb5f 14b1230933c096aea5

[LeBowen]

Bulls haven’t given up on this race. They’re working hard as we speak.

They'll give Kuminga and Giddey 150/5 each.

[John B]

Jokic
AD
Turner
Wemby
KAT
Embiid (if healthy)
Sabonis
Gobert
Sengun
Bam

Allen/Chet/Zubac/Hartenstein/Purtle are the next 5. He's not a top 10 center.

I should’ve put it in BLUE. It was the ST posters claiming he was top 10. I was saying he was “soft” and needed fire on his behind.

[Dverde]

v3 of those uniforms will be camo fiesta

[John B]

No he's not, what? :lol

Dude that was meant in blue. I was his biggest critic here being soft

[Mugen]

[Chiang] The expectation as of Tuesday afternoon is Robinson will not be returning to the Heat, according to multiple league sources. The expectation is that Robinson will land with a new team through a sign-and-trade transaction that could bring assets back to the Heat (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article309794940.html)

Branham & Wesley in an S&T for Duncan Robinson? Memes aside, would be a nice shooter off the bench tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I didn't realize Duncan Robinson is 31 years old. How did that happen.

[DPG21920]

Well, personally I think Spurs should trade Vassell. I agree with you that they should add a good forward.

My point is that Spurs might not agree with you (and me) and that they may be right.

It's not crazy, for example, to think that Vassell:
- will be better physically next season after his foot surgery.
- will be fine as an off the ball offensive player because that how he has been the best far.
- is big enough to play SF.
- can be way better defensively if he put a bigger emphasis on it.

Adding a backup C and calling it an offseason isn't what I wish for but it might work.

Welp Bruno looks like this was indeed the path. I dont love it but I understand it. With how roster is, only path to really getting an improvement is via trade. Theres no minutes for 5M per year FA players with how crowded roster is.

Spurs did nothing at all to address shooting which is sort of surprising but it makes sense also that they need to see what they have.

Pretty lazy off season where they took zero calculated risk, didn’t optimize assets (trading 38th pick for meh return, no player trades to get assets smartly, and no real additions to team outside of what was the obvious) - lets see how it looks and if a trade materializes before season or at deadline.

But theres a logjam and still plenty of questions to be answered but overall still an exciting team to watch with Fox healthy, Wemby healthy and Castle+Harper and Kornet solving back up center issues.

But very uninspired GM’ing alongside the side story of ATL picks losing value too. Not the type of momentum you’d like to see from a team that should be pushing for playoffs IMO but nothing catastrophic either.

[FkLA]

Good thing Wright didn't overpay by adding another first round pick to a KD offer. Those late teens, early twenties picks will surely add more to the team and Wemby's development than a generational player like KD would.

Masterclass off-season, tbh

[Arguendo]

Spurs can be high on Sochan + Dev and still trade Barnes + Keldon + Branham + Blake + 2nds and get shooting/big help
Your answer to getting shooting/big help is to trade the guy who just had the 7th best TS% and 3% in the NBA, 3rd in TS% among non-Cs and 4th in 3% for guys >20mpg, who is also an iron man, the lone true vet rostered, and who's one on the few guys rostered that sets good screens and is always where he's supposed to be?

You want to trade that guy to upgrade the frontcourt/shooting?
Yeah, he's flawed as a 4, below average d/Rebs, but he's one of the best shooters in the NBA, you are not improving the frontcourt shooting by trading him. Improving the front court overall? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But you keep saying shooting. KD is gone, you will not improve the frontcourt shooting by moving Barnes now, you'll make it worse. It's okay to be a specialist, it's okay to have a sharp-shooter at the 4, you don't need to/shouldn't trade that guy if your worried about shooting. Who would you trade him for to improve frontcourt shooting? Cam Johnson (who is also a flawed 4)?
If you factor in cost (free vs whatev price) and availability (Ironman vs played >60 games once in 6 season) and continuity and PO experience, Barnes is definitely the better player.

The FA market just opened, Wemby/Fox/no Income tax are real draws, no reason to panic sell Barnes. The sky is not falling because the Spurs haven't completed their offseason at the beginning of their offseason.

[spurraider21]

I didn't realize Duncan Robinson is 31 years old. How did that happen.
32 years ago, his parents, on a hot and sweaty night...

[CorrectCrusader]

I didn't realize Duncan Robinson is 31 years old. How did that happen.

That's what happens when you come into the league at 24 years old.

[Mugen]

Good thing Wright didn't overpay by adding another first round pick to a KD offer. Those late teens, early twenties picks will surely add more to the team and Wemby's development than a generational player like KD would.

Masterclass off-season, tbh

Jalen Green > Devin
Dillon Brooks > Harrison Barnes
#10 Pick >> #14 Pick

Would have been hard to beat that Rox offer. I'm not sure if just another future first rounder closes the gap. Maybe the Hawks picks would have done it. But they didn't look really, really bad until after the draft and first days of Free Agency tbh. I hear you though, we better not be done.

[lefty]

Turner leaving Indiana sucks tbh

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
·
1m
Free agent forward Josh Minott has agreed to a two-year, $5 million deal with the Boston Celtics, sources tell ESPN. Celtics executives finalized the new deal with Minott's agent, Aaron Turner of Verus

[TimmyBuckets]

This is taking forever hurry up and add a shooter and let's wrap this up, unless they stick with who we have.

[Guru of Nothing]

Welp Bruno looks like this was indeed the path. I dont love it but I understand it. With how roster is, only path to really getting an improvement is via trade. Theres no minutes for 5M per year FA players with how crowded roster is.

Spurs did nothing at all to address shooting which is sort of surprising but it makes sense also that they need to see what they have.

Pretty lazy off season where they took zero calculated risk, didn’t optimize assets (trading 38th pick for meh return, no player trades to get assets smartly, and no real additions to team outside of what was the obvious) - lets see how it looks and if a trade materializes before season or at deadline.

But theres a logjam and still plenty of questions to be answered but overall still an exciting team to watch with Fox healthy, Wemby healthy and Castle+Harper and Kornet solving back up center issues.

But very uninspired GM’ing alongside the side story of ATL picks losing value too. Not the type of momentum you’d like to see from a team that should be pushing for playoffs IMO but nothing catastrophic either.

This you?

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/open-uri20150422-20810-11ej849_779819a7.jpeg

[Degoat]

Could see spurs not doing anything else until the moratorium ends tbh

[Dverde]

Ben Simmons still out there. 1 year low risk deal?

[spurraider21]

Ben Simmons still out there. 1 year low risk deal?
no

[Mr. Body]

32 years ago, his parents, on a hot and sweaty night...

Go on...

[scott]

Could see spurs not doing anything else until the moratorium ends tbh

Yep... just keep the powder dry, see if any opportunities arise to pick up some cheap/free value as a third-team in trades (Wright's specialty, tbh) and roll into next season.

Not my optimal offseason, but still a very good one. A- from me.

[DPG21920]

This you?

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[Brazil]

As others said, my only concern is shooting... for those who don't like Victor shooting 3s bukle up :lol

[Seventyniner]

Yep... just keep the powder dry, see if any opportunities arise to pick up some cheap/free value as a third-team in trades (Wright's specialty, tbh) and roll into next season.

Not my optimal offseason, but still a very good one. A- from me.

Too early to grade the offseason, but it looks good so far. The Spurs still might make a trade, if/how much Fox and Sochan get extended for affect the grade too.

[Mr. Body]

I think DR will get to an immediate contender and I would balk at too many years given his age, but I'd definitely take a look.

Last year absolutely no one predicted the SAS threading the needle with that missile of a Harrison Barnes and pick swap. We don't have the cap space to play with but I expect they're trying to be creative right now.

[Trueblood]

Ben Simmons still out there. 1 year low risk deal?

ST: the last thing we really need to is add shooting to this roster.

Also ST: should we consider Ben Simmons?

:lol

[DPG21920]

It’s a B off season for me unless they do more.

[BatManu20]

Random but TP is now hanging out with streamers too apparently lol.

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[lefty]

Random but TP is now hanging out with streamers too apparently lol.

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[Trueblood]

Are there any Kings we'd be interested in? Sabonis of the just want to rotate 3 bigs a bunch of guards i guess? Murray, if you believe in him (I don't), Monk or Ellis could be nice.

Wemby wants to play the 4 but every time they put him there with another 5 out there his production drops. It happened on the French national team (Gorbert) and will Zollins. So it begs the question what type of big could he play alongside of that would compliment him? I’ve thought for a while that Sabonis would be a good running mate. He fits the timeline, double double machine gobbling up rebounds and a solid shooter/passer.

The reasons it would never work are plentiful though. He’s still got 3 years left on his rising contract ($42, $45, & $48 million for the next three years respectively). The kings would want too much for him. And he and Fox don’t seem to have a good relationship. It sucks because I think he’s exactly the type of big who would compliment Wemby. Off the kings are really trying to tank hard they’re going to have to drop him though because he’s going to get them some wins this season they don’t want.

[Ice009]

I thought TP had sold his house, or was selling it, or is this a different house to that huge one with the massive swimming pool/slide area? In that video he said that he signed his first contract there.

[PhantomDashCam]

The Raptors are going to be a fascinating team to watch. I’m not in love with some of their players and their contracts but their depth and talent (when healthy) may actually contend in the East.
Quickley, Barrett, Ingram, Barnes and Poeltl…If they can share the ball. Interesting.

[Mugen]

Porky having a 24/7 Nandos at his house makes sense tbh

[Mugen]

It’s a B off season for me unless they do more.

I don't know if you're factoring in luck. But lucking into Harper immediately gave them an A- floor for the offseason tbh :lol

[T Park]

Ben Simmons still out there. 1 year low risk deal?

Dear god

[Bruno]

Spurs did nothing at all to address shooting which is sort of surprising but it makes sense also that they need to see what they have.

Fixing Spurs shooting issue is very difficult because it's the core (Castle, Fox and maybe Harper) that isn't shooting well. Most of the complimentary players are quite good shooters, even more if Keldon is pushed out of the rotation by Bryant.

Fixing the shooting would have require to trade Sochan.



But very uninspired GM’ing alongside the side story of ATL picks losing value too.

I'm not sure Atlanta is that much better than last year. What makes their offseason great is the 2026 unprotected pick they god in the draft day trade with Pelicans. If they don't use this pick in a trade, this pick will have no impact on the 2026 swap and likely only a small impact on the 2027 pick.

[SpursBills]

Wemby wants to play the 4 but every time they put him there with another 5 out there his production drops. It happened on the French national team (Gorbert) and will Zollins. So it begs the question what type of big could he play alongside of that would compliment him? I’ve thought for a while that Sabonis would be a good running mate. He fits the timeline, double double machine gobbling up rebounds and a solid shooter/passer.

The reasons it would never work are plentiful though. He’s still got 3 years left on his rising contract ($42, $45, & $48 million for the next three years respectively). The kings would want too much for him. And he and Fox don’t seem to have a good relationship. It sucks because I think he’s exactly the type of big who would compliment Wemby. Off the kings are really trying to tank hard they’re going to have to drop him though because he’s going to get them some wins this season they don’t want.

Points/rebounds/assists merchant who can neither protect the rim nor defend the perimeter getting paid 50 million a year, works best as a DHO assist farmer on a team with already limited spacing stifling other ball handlers. I would legitimately not take Sabonis for free with his current contract on this team.

[Leetonidas]

Hardaway Jr to the Nuggets. Another vet shooter off the market

[CGD]

[Chiang] The expectation as of Tuesday afternoon is Robinson will not be returning to the Heat, according to multiple league sources. The expectation is that Robinson will land with a new team through a sign-and-trade transaction that could bring assets back to the Heat (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article309794940.html)

Branham & Wesley in an S&T for Duncan Robinson? Memes aside, would be a nice shooter off the bench tbh.

Yes please

[Jordan Jackson]

If Joker is still playing at his elite level, the Nuggets should come out of the west. Tim Hardaway is a good bench piece. Maybe one more shooter wouldn’t hurt though. Still some good deals out there for the Nuggets.

[Mal]

They are (Jaylin Williams, Ajay Mitchell, Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah Joe, etc), just not with the reigning MVP.

Those are not important. Other Williams and Holgren would also want max money, and this means 2nd apron

[DPG21920]

I don't know if you're factoring in luck. But lucking into Harper immediately gave them an A- floor for the offseason tbh :lol

Sure and that’s fair if that’s your view - Im sort of factoring less in the luck and more the totality of the moves and goal of being a firm playoff team. But ya, getting Harper is an A++++ lol

[Trueblood]

Points/rebounds/assists merchant who can neither protect the rim nor defend the perimeter getting paid 50 million a year, works best as a DHO assist farmer on a team with already limited spacing stifling other ball handlers. I would legitimately not take Sabonis for free with his current contract on this team.

Points rebounds and assists are exactly what we need though. Castle and Wemby are plus defenders but the SL needs shooting and rebounding. He would check both of those boxes and his passing is well above average for his size. You want to run Wemby out with a Golbert type to play D and catch lobs but not do anything else? Yeah, someone like that is really going to help with our spacing and shooting issues.

[DPG21920]

Fixing Spurs shooting issue is very difficult because it's the core (Castle, Fox and maybe Harper) that isn't shooting well. Most of the complimentary players are quite good shooters, even more if Keldon is pushed out of the rotation by Bryant.

Fixing the shooting would have require to trade Sochan.



I'm not sure Atlanta is that much better than last year. What makes their offseason great is the 2026 unprotected pick they god in the draft day trade with Pelicans. If they don't use this pick in a trade, this pick will have no impact on the 2026 swap and likely only a small impact on the 2027 pick.

I think trading Keldon alone or Dev would go a long way to solve shooting + overall fit/logjam etc…Dev is just an ok shooter, Keldon is meh, Sochan bad, Blake bad, Kornet hasn’t been shooting lately….I agree with Fox/Harper/Castle but they have huge upside and talent.

But spurs have plenty of reasons (shooting + minutes/fit/money allocation) to make moves IMO.

I think ATL had a really good offseason. I think NAW is an upgrade for them over LaVert. They got that great pick and added a talented big man in draft (Asa). Added a shooter in Kennard. I think they got better and have a very balanced roster with lots of 3/D. At a minimum I find it hard to say that the picks SA have from ATL maintained or gained value on paper. Could always turn out with an injury to Trae or whatever that it ends up good, but as things stand?

Either way, it’s not unexpected this off season as we discussed. it’s rational what Spurs are doing. Just dont love that it was the obvious least creative least effort path with zero urgency at all (and I want them to be patient for most part) and no creativity but perhaps there is more to come…

[SpursBills]

Points rebounds and assists are exactly what we need though. Castle and Wemby are plus defenders but the SL needs shooting and rebounding. He would check both of those boxes and his passing is well above average for his size. You want to run Wemby out with a Golbert type to play D and catch lobs but not do anything else? Yeah, someone like that is really going to help with our spacing and shooting issues.

I don't think it's an either/or situation here. Tell me this - do you honestly see Sabonis bringing 50 million/year value in a scaled down role? Because the entire basis of his impact right now (which, by the way is way below what his counting stats would suggest), is based on being an elite offensive rebounder and having high usage as a hub. He has very few ancillary skills if he's not force-fed high usage/time of possession. The alternative to this is you play him in his exact role that he has in Sacramento and use Wemby as a 7'5" Miles Turner, which would also be a colossal waste.

My main beef with guys like Sabonis (and Giddey for that matter) on this team is that you already have your high-usage high-impact guys on your team so that there's no room for another guy who depends on usage to get his impact, especially when he is getting paid the way he is exclusively due to his counting stats. What you need are low usage high impact guys, and those are guys who are generally paid less and generate value not from counting stats but from defensive versality and spacing. Even in your example where you get an exclusive vertical spacer and rim protector, it's entirely possible that his impact is comparable to Sabonis while getting a fraction of the cost.

[DAF86]

Fixing Spurs shooting issue is very difficult because it's the core (Castle, Fox and maybe Harper) that isn't shooting well. Most of the complimentary players are quite good shooters, even more if Keldon is pushed out of the rotation by Bryant.

Fixing the shooting would have require to trade Sochan.



I'm not sure Atlanta is that much better than last year. What makes their offseason great is the 2026 unprotected pick they god in the draft day trade with Pelicans. If they don't use this pick in a trade, this pick will have no impact on the 2026 swap and likely only a small impact on the 2027 pick.

Which are the complementary players? From the names you dropped as the core I suposse: Vassell, Sochan, Keldon, Champagnie, Kornet, Barnes. 3 out of those 6 players are bad to complete non-shooters. That isn't "most", that is half the players. There absolutely needs to be a change there.

[RC_Drunkford]

if the Spurs want to be a playoff team they need to package Keldon + Branham for a starting 4

[ginobilized]

Do y'all think that the Spurs have an offer for John Collins tendered?
I'd think they have at least kicked the tires on him. I'd guess that several teams are working on deals for him.

On another weird note, I'm semi-surprised that the Spurs haven't added a superfluous point guard to the rotation. That seemed like a Pop thing.

[Jordan Jackson]

If Joker is still playing at his elite level, the Nuggets should come out of the west. Tim Hardaway is a good bench piece. Maybe one more shooter wouldn’t hurt though. Still some good deals out there for the Nuggets.

[Mugen]

I don't think the Spurs have much interest in John Collins tbh. There's never been smoke between the two and Collins has been made available many times over the years.

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Drew Eubanks is being waived by the Los Angeles Clippers and is signing a one-year deal with the Sacramento Kings, per Shams Charania.

[Guru of Nothing]

It leaves a hole at the PF-ish position, but man Duncan Robinson could drive some jersey sales, probably on par with 2nd round cash considerations, right?

[scott]

It leaves a hole at the PF-ish position, but man Duncan Robinson could drive some jersey sales, probably on par with 2nd round cash considerations, right?

If he signed here he would have to put his full name on the back of the jersey. "DUNCAN ROBINSON"

[Mal]

What the fuck are Kings doing :lol
I like what Denver did, they provided Jokic with depth and shooting.

[Guru of Nothing]

If he signed here he would have to put his full name on the back of the jersey. "DUNCAN ROBINSON"

Exactly. #51?

[scott]

#2150

[RC_Drunkford]

Do y'all think that the Spurs have an offer for John Collins tendered?
I'd think they have at least kicked the tires on him. I'd guess that several teams are working on deals for him.

On another weird note, I'm semi-surprised that the Spurs haven't added a superfluous point guard to the rotation. That seemed like a Pop thing.

If you ask me they haven't even called Ainge

[BatManu20]

Do y'all think that the Spurs have an offer for John Collins tendered?
I'd think they have at least kicked the tires on him. I'd guess that several teams are working on deals for him.

On another weird note, I'm semi-surprised that the Spurs haven't added a superfluous point guard to the rotation. That seemed like a Pop thing.

I really don't think they're interested tbh, or it would've happened already. I honestly think they're content with Barnes, Sochan, and Bryant being our 4 rotation this season. I wish they were bc I think Collins would be a considerable upgrade at the 4 this season on an expiring, but PATFO seem comfortable with what we have so I think they're done for this offseason.

[BatManu20]

If you ask me they haven't even called Ainge

Also possible. Considering how ridiculous his reported trade demands were for Lauri last year when Brian reached out, they may have soured on speaking to he and Zanic altogether. Ainge really is an annoying prick, always has been. More than likely though, they're just content with what they have and therefor aren't interested in Collins.

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[Seventyniner]

Exactly. #51?

#51: "I'm one better than David!"
#49: "I'm not quite as good as David."
#71: "I'm as good as both Tim and David combined!"
#29: "Robinson minus Duncan = some residual shooting ability."

[baseline bum]

We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.

Devin was like the fifth best shooter on the team last year behind Unc, CP3, Champagnie, and Mamu and Champagnie actually gives you some defense for 1/9th the price. Would you rather have Vassell or be able to use the MLE to get good players who will contribute? Because if they do both it's gonna be hard to re-sign Castle and Harper, especially with the cap not going up as much as expected from the TV/streaming deal. There is so much opportunity cost tied up in Vassell's contract and five years in he is who he is: a loser from the tank core that should probably be churned. The Spurs already waited too long to get anything useful for Keldon when it was clear he didn't work here and I don't want to see them go down the same road with Vassell.

[RC_Drunkford]

Also possible. Considering how ridiculous his reported trade demands were for Lauri last year when Brian reached out, they may have soured on speaking to he and Zanic altogether. Ainge really is an annoying prick, always has been. More than likely though, they're just content with what they have and therefor aren't interested in Collins.

Collins is cheap right now, I just don't think the Spurs are looking to make a trade for an upgrade

[exstatic]

Devin was like the fifth best shooter on the team last year behind Unc, CP3, Champagnie, and Mamu and Champagnie actually gives you some defense for 1/9th the price. Would you rather have Vassell or be able to use the MLE to get good players who will contribute? Because if they do both it's gonna be hard to re-sign Castle and Harper, especially with the cap not going up as much as expected from the TV/streaming deal. There is so much opportunity cost tied up in Vassell's contract and five years in he is who he is: a loser from the tank core that should probably be churned. The Spurs already waited too long to get anything useful for Keldon when it was clear he didn't work here and I don't want to see them go down the same road with Vassell.

CP3 and Mamu are gone.

[Mugen]

Devin was like the fifth best shooter on the team last year behind Unc, CP3, Champagnie, and Mamu and Champagnie actually gives you some defense for 1/9th the price. Would you rather have Vassell or be able to use the MLE to get good players who will contribute? Because if they do both it's gonna be hard to re-sign Castle and Harper, especially with the cap not going up as much as expected from the TV/streaming deal. There is so much opportunity cost tied up in Vassell's contract and five years in he is who he is: a loser from the tank core that should probably be churned. The Spurs already waited too long to get anything useful for Keldon when it was clear he didn't work here and I don't want to see them go down the same road with Vassell.

We've got time to trade him tbh. We don't have to decide on Castle/Harper for another few years. I honestly think MATFO betting that he ups his value this upcoming season is worth a try.

[Bruno]

Which are the complementary players? From the names you dropped as the core I suposse: Vassell, Sochan, Keldon, Champagnie, Kornet, Barnes. 3 out of those 6 players are bad to complete non-shooters. That isn't "most", that is half the players. There absolutely needs to be a change there.

I have Keldon out of the rotation and it's complicate to have a backup C that will both shoot 3's and protect the rim.

Let's say Spurs end up playing with a 9 players rotation of:
Fox/Castle
Harper/Castle
Vassell/Bryant
Sochan/Barnes
Wembanyama/Kornet

Aside of trading Sochan, it isn't easy to fix the shooting of that group.

And, hopefully, Sochan best shooting form will translate into better shooting numbers.

[Ice009]

If he signed here he would have to put his full name on the back of the jersey. "DUNCAN ROBINSON"

Since I just saw Duncan's age, I finally looked up if his name was based on TD and D-Rob, but as expected, since he was born before they played together, it was just a coincidence. I always thought (without ever looking it up until now) that his parents were Spurs fans or something ;).
Still, his name was made for the Spurs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Duncan Robinson to Detroit

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