2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades

[coyotes_geek]

Picking him up off waivers doesn't give him a permanent roster spot. It keeps him on his extremely team-friendly deal and gives him a spot in training camp.

Also, despite the belief that Anderson hasn't improved since his rookie year, the numbers say otherwise. Every one of his advanced and per-36 stats went up with the exceptions of block percentage and defensive rating (and it's a good thing for that to go down). He went from failed starter to viable bench player. He'd be great wing insurance, and he probably would eventually get the minutes at the backup three. And if he's not, he just won't make the final roster. Doesn't seem like a big risk at all.

You're just a lot higher on Anderson than I am. I don't think he's a viable bench player at all. He couldn't crack the rotation here and in Houston he just got garbage minutes and was the occasional injury replacement for Parson or Delfino. I agree with you that there's no risk, but IMO there's also no point. He's certainly not good enough to beat out Green/Manu/Belinelli for minutes.

[rjv]

i agree with CG. i must have never seen the james anderson that chinook is speaking of.

[Chinook]

i agree with CG. i must have never seen the james anderson that chinook is speaking of.

Did you watch him in his brief return to the Spurs last season? He was actually pretty good then. A lot of us didn't really expect the team to release him.

[Bruno]

He was signed to a minimum deal according to Sham.

Not really. He was signed for the minimum salary but not to a min contract.

The max length for a min contract is 2 years and Anderson signed for 2 and half years by Houston with their cap space. A player with that kind of contract need a trade exception/cap space to be claimed from waivers.

[rjv]

Did you watch him in his brief return to the Spurs last season? He was actually pretty good then. A lot of us didn't really expect the team to release him.

yes, and he was no one that i missed in any way, shape of form after his release or ever thought could have helped us had he still been here.

[Chinook]

Not really. He was signed for the minimum salary but not to a min contract.

The max length for a min contract is 2 years and Anderson signed for 2 and half years by Houston with their cap space. A player with that kind of contract need a trade exception/cap space to be claimed from waivers.

Indeed. So does that apply to trades as well? The CBA FAQ does use the term "minimum salary contract" for waivers, but it just uses "minimum-salary players" trades.

[Chinook]

yes, and he was no one that i missed in any way, shape of form after his release or ever thought could have helped us had he still been here.

Fair enough. We just disagree. I saw a guy who performed well when given decent minutes.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderja01/gamelog/2013/

That's his game history from last season. If you look at the games were he played more than 14 minutes, he did quite well. I remember him fondly from that Miami game last season.

[Drom John]

Last year, with few minutes, James Anderson's WS/48 was a bit above league average at .106
Below league average, from better to worse were De Colo, Neal, Baynes and Jackson.

IOW, Anderson could be a huge upgrade over Jackson, and it's Jackson's slot that the Spurs are trying to fill with Kirilenko or Thomas.
We haven't seen Thomas play SF defense yet. (Thomas should get to defend Mike Scott tonight.) It would be nice to see a training camp where Anderson and Thomas had to play each other alot.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Hearing: Free-agent PG John Lucas informed other suitors today that he has committed to Utah. Deal w/Jazz on course to be sealed this week

[Bruno]

Indeed. So does that apply to trades as well? The CBA FAQ does use the term "minimum salary contract" for waivers, but it just uses "minimum-salary players" trades.

Yep, it does.

[coyotes_geek]

Not really. He was signed for the minimum salary but not to a min contract.

The max length for a min contract is 2 years and Anderson signed for 2 and half years by Houston with their cap space. A player with that kind of contract need a trade exception/cap space to be claimed from waivers.

I dunno. The exact quote from Coon's FAQ is "The player has a minimum salary contract." The two year limit is just for teams over the cap wanting to use the minimum player salary exception. Teams can give minimum salary contracts for longer than two years, they just can't use the minimum player salary exception to do it. If Coon is quoting directly from the CBA here, it sure looks to me like the Spurs would be able to claim Anderson who does have a contract that pays him a minimum salary. But, we don't know if this is a direct quote. This could be a case where Coon's attempt to "dumb it down" for the average folk loses something in translation.

[tesseractive]

Invite him to training camp? Why not? He's signed for two more years that are fully non-guaranteed. So if he doesn't make the team cut him. If he blows up, he's really cheap still.

Oh, that explains it. I was thinking guaranteed contract, not someone we might cut in camp. Of course that makes sense then. :)

[rjv]

Fair enough. We just disagree. I saw a guy who performed well when given decent minutes.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderja01/gamelog/2013/

That's his game history from last season. If you look at the games were he played more than 14 minutes, he did quite well. I remember him fondly from that Miami game last season.

don't get me wrong. i'd take him over colo at this rate.

[TXstbobcat]

Would rather have Thomas take a roster spot over James Anderson.

[rjv]

Would rather have Thomas take a roster spot over James Anderson.

..as would i. anderson had his moment. if thomas is the equivalent to anderson, i'd rather give the shot to the former.

[Bruno]

I dunno. The exact quote from Coon's FAQ is "The player has a minimum salary contract." The two year limit is just for teams over the cap wanting to use the minimum player salary exception. Teams can give minimum salary contracts for longer than two years, they just can't use the minimum player salary exception to do it.

To claim a player from waivers, you have to use cap space or an exception (trade exception, disabled player exception, min salary exception). If a player doesn't fit the min salary exception, he can't be claimed with it.

From the CBA:

Minimum Player Salary Exception. A Team may sign a player to, or acquire by assignment, a Player Contract, not to exceed two (2) Seasons in length, that provides for a Salary for the first Season equal to the Minimum Player Salary applicable to that player (with no bonuses of any kind).

[LakerHater]

Nobody is Happy!

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[rjv]

a pic truly is worth a thousand words in the case of the boston press conference pic

[coyotes_geek]

To claim a player from waivers, you have to use cap space or an exception (trade exception, disabled player exception, min salary exception). If a player doesn't fit the min salary exception, he can't be claimed with it.

From the CBA:

That just sounds odd. Exceptions, and even cap room for that matter, only look at what's happening in the current year. Past years and future years aren't considered. A team with cap room this year but not next gets to use their current year cap space to sign free agents to multi year contracts. Teams that have to match salaries in a trade only have to worry about current year salaries. Teams can sign a guy to a multiyear MLE contract that will result in that player getting paid more than the MLE in future years. It just seems wierd that waivers would look at contracts as a whole instead of just focusing on the current year as all the other NBA transactions do.

I'm not saying you're wrong, BTW, just that it seems inconsistent.

[Plum Island]

Nobody is Happy!

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Championship!

[Chinook]

That just sounds odd. Exceptions, and even cap room for that matter, only look at what's happening in the current year. Past years and future years aren't considered. A team with cap room this year but not next gets to use their current year cap space to sign free agents to multi year contracts. Teams that have to match salaries in a trade only have to worry about current year salaries. Teams can sign a guy to a multiyear MLE contract that will result in that player getting paid more than the MLE in future years. It just seems wierd that waivers would look at contracts as a whole instead of just focusing on the current year as all the other NBA transactions do.

I'm not saying you're wrong, BTW, just that it seems inconsistent.

Signing exceptions cover the whole deal by setting parameters for the first year. So the MLE allows teams to offer a contract starting at $5.15 Million that lasts up to four years. So it's not that $5.15 Million is the MLE; it's the whole $22M/4 which comes from extrapolating the first year under the MLE's parameters. The minimum-salary exception allows teams to sign players for a deal that starts at the minimum and lasts no more than two years. In that regard, it's a mini-mini-mini MLE. Just as a team can't sign a player for three years using BAE, so too are they unable to sign a MSE player for three years.

That's why the Spurs needed to keep some of their MLE to sign Thomas/Denmon/Richards to a minimum deal longer than two years.

As far as trades go, I'm actually not sure where Bruno got the information from, but on waived players, the CBA FAQ is very clear to mention that the players must be on minimum-salary contracts, which Coon specifically define as Bruno said. He didn't say that for trades, but that could just be an oversight on his part. I don't think it's inconsistent of the NBA to do so. If anything, it's generous, since a team can't use the MLE to acquire players in trades, for example. I should have read more carefully the first time.

[ace3g]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
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[tesseractive]

Nobody is Happy!

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Caption: I got dumped to a rebuilding team as cap ballast and all I got was this lousy shirt.

[ace3g]

Jake Pavorsky @JakePavorsky
(http://twitter.com/JakePavorsky)Sixers acquire James Anderson, Tim Ohlbrecht off waivers. sbn.to/13eV6Bi (http://t.co/sGxK2gNv9J)

[cd021]

Come on now. Anderson would be injury insurance / garbage time player if he came here, not a 12mpg rotation player.

One spot open, A SF need. He is an SF....

Unless you're down with Manu, Diaw or Beli playing the 3.

Its not like he would be a disaster. Shoot defend and head to the bench. He can do all three in the short amount of time.



Edit: He's going to the 76'ers so it doesn't matter.

[cd021]

Championship!

Looks like the 1st day of school, everyone's pissed to be there.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Yahoo! Sports source: Raptors plan on using amnesty clause on Linas Kleiza. yhoo.it/1dC2CIp (http://t.co/yhZVuIaLws)

[Darkwaters]

Nobody is Happy!

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It's the Cornerstone!

[coyotes_geek]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Yahoo! Sports source: Raptors plan on using amnesty clause on Linas Kleiza. yhoo.it/1dC2CIp (http://t.co/yhZVuIaLws)




Too bad he can't stay healthy. Would have been worth a look at SF, IMO......

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Nobody is Happy!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPPoez9CEAAViFc.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jGSvxCRp4

[yavozerb]

Too bad he can't stay healthy. Would have been worth a look at SF, IMO......

What kind of injuries last season? Nevermind, just saw numerous knee injuries..Pass

[Mel_13]

Nobody is Happy!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPPoez9CEAAViFc.png

Bogans should be ecstatic. He's going to make 5.1M this season. That's more than he's been paid in the last four seasons combined! Makes Manu look like a bargain.

[jermaine]

Aint neither one of them mofos da misding piece to a championship. So what they upset for? Gettin millions to play basketball.

[Sausage]

Would anyone welcome this? I know we have a million guards but what if it was a true backup PG?


AlexKennedyNBA
I'm hearing Mo Williams is considering taking less to join a contender such as the Spurs or Heat. Nothing imminent, but he's considering it.

[Strategic]

Just flew from Houston to San Antonio with Terrell Harris and family.

[Ice009]

Interesting. How it Mo's defense?

[Prime Time]

Would anyone welcome this? I know we have a million guards but what if it was a true backup PG?

"Mo Williams is considering taking less to join a contender such as the Spurs or Heat." I can't imagine him choosing the Spurs over Miami, especially since the money will be the same (I think).

[manufor3]

No more guards please

[jyra]

Would anyone welcome this? I know we have a million guards but what if it was a true backup PG?

I doubt he would go as far as taking a minimum deal, so signing him outright is probably not possible. But if he is willing take less then maybe there is a possibility to work out a sign and trade with Utah.

[coyotes_geek]

Would anyone welcome this? I know we have a million guards but what if it was a true backup PG?

"Taking less" is going to have to mean league min since the Spurs don't have their MLE anymore, so I'm not sure Mo's going to be willing to take that much less.

But, if Mo's down, then it's an absolute no-brainer to add him to the team.

[raybies]

In our case he could be a missing piece of a piece.

[chrhawk]

Would anyone welcome this? I know we have a million guards but what if it was a true backup PG?

Isn't that the guy from Hoopsworld? So it probably isn't true.

[benefactor]

Isn't that the guy from Hoopsworld? So it probably isn't true.
:tu

[DesignatedT]

Yeah I don't see how their could be any truth to that rumor. Although, I would take Mo Williams backing up Tony.

[Bruno]

I always liked Kleiza game. If he is relatively healthy, which is far form sure, he would be a good signing.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I always liked Kleiza game. If he is relatively healthy, which is far form sure, he would be a good signing.

The reports state that if he is released he wants to play overseas - unless he's pulling a MWP to ensure that he goes unclaimed.

[Chinook]

I didn't know Casspi was off the market to Houston. I know a lot of people here wanted him.

[Mel_13]

Just said this on @TheTicketMiami: from what I am hearing from multiple sources, the Heat are likely to amnesty Mike Miller today.

https://twitter.com/EthanJSkolnick


The guy is a Miami Heat columnist for the Palm Beach Post.

[Chinook]

He's probably ready to retire now.

[ace3g]

Interesting to see who else is amnestied today, since today is the last day you can use it for the year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Just said this on @TheTicketMiami: from what I am hearing from multiple sources, the Heat are likely to amnesty Mike Miller today.

https://twitter.com/EthanJSkolnick


The guy is a Miami Heat columnist for the Palm Beach Post.

Sold.

[monkeypunk]

He's probably ready to retire now.

He looks like he should have retired years ago with his hunchback but he was certainly productive in spurts during the last two Finals.

I don't know that he has anything left in the tank though.

[playblair]

miller/green/thomas/beli 2nd unit = instant offense...................... no drought.......................... sign miller.................. amnesty bonner.........

[ace3g]

Miami HEAT @MiamiHEAT
(http://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT)OFFICIAL: The @MiamiHEAT (http://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT) have waived Mike Miller per the NBA's Amnesty provision.

[I. Hustle]

Miami HEAT @MiamiHEAT
(http://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT)OFFICIAL: The @MiamiHEAT (http://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT) have waived Mike Miller per the NBA's Amnesty provision.




Hilarious. The Heat sure are loyal. He thought he was going to ride that bitch til the wheels fall off.

[monkeypunk]

Miami HEAT @MiamiHEAT
(http://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT)OFFICIAL: The @MiamiHEAT (http://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT) have waived Mike Miller per the NBA's Amnesty provision.




Good, if nothing else, it weakens the Heat to a degree. Not that they relied on him during the RS but I'd argue that his scoring and vet savvy kept them competitive in the Finals at times. Anything to level the playing field is a positive thing.

[Mel_13]

Hilarious. The Heat sure are loyal. He thought he was going to ride that bitch til the wheels fall off.

Meh.

He's got two rings, he'll get every penny left on his contract, and he may not have been able to play another minute in the NBA anyway. That, and this move can save Miami's owner upwards of 20M in luxury tax.

[coyotes_geek]

Not surprising. Miami's going to be well over the tax this year and be hit as a lux tax repeater next year. The $12 mil left on Miller's contract was going to end up costing Miami upwards of $30 mil in luxury tax payments.

[Texas_Ranger]

pick him up

[rjv]

mavs will be all over him...

[BatManu20]

Miller is done imo. Unless to sticks around just to collect a paycheck with some crappy team I think he retires. He can still stroke it from 3 obviously but his D is terrible at this point.

[Sean Cagney]

Miller is done imo. Unless to sticks around just to collect a paycheck with some crappy team I think he retires. He can still stroke it from 3 obviously but his D is terrible at this point.

D is horrible with a three point shot, sounds like Neal :lol

[cd021]

Would anyone welcome this? I know we have a million guards but what if it was a true backup PG?

Short but can score and play both positions. I doubt he would go to Miami Chalmers, and Cole are good enough to get it done and Wade and Allen would eat up almost all of the 2 guard minutes. A 1 year deal would be good and give us some additional scoring bunch with our second unit.

[cd021]

miller/green/thomas/beli 2nd unit = instant offense...................... no drought.......................... sign miller.................. amnesty bonner.........


Da Fuq?

[coyotes_geek]

D is horrible with a three point shot, sounds like Neal :lol

If Miller were to agree to sign here, his D would improve instantly.

I call it the Belinelli effect.

[BatManu20]

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[playblair]

Just said this on @TheTicketMiami: from what I am hearing from multiple sources, the Heat are likely to amnesty Mike Miller today.

https://twitter.com/EthanJSkolnick


The guy is a Miami Heat columnist for the Palm Beach Post.

making room for blair.......................... blair is currently in miami..........................

[raybies]

making room for blair.......................... blair is currently in miami..........................
Or ennis

[ace3g]

Emiliano Carchia @SportandoBasket
(http://twitter.com/SportandoBasket)Rockets Sign Jordan Henriquez sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/59… (http://t.co/qTfFWIP86y)

[jermaine]

Did some of you just missed or forgot the finals already? Saying Mike Miller is done. Crazy. Maybe yal dont remember all the 3s he hit on our asses. An with the plays we run, that mofo will have wide open looks.

[LakerHater]

357237853035573248 (https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace/status/357237853035573248)

[LakerHater]

357237853035573248 (https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace/status/357237853035573248)

[TD 21]

"Mo Williams is considering taking less to join a contender such as the Spurs or Heat." I can't imagine him choosing the Spurs over Miami, especially since the money will be the same (I think).

Unless the Heat guaranteed him that he'd take Cole's spot in the rotation (probably unlikely, considering how much they like Cole), I don't see why he'd sign with them.

I could easily see the Jazz being interested in either De Colo or Mills (Spurs connection with Lindsay, need for a third PG, expiring contract to preserve their cap space for '14) in a sign and trade, which would allow the Spurs to offer him more.

He'd be an outstanding fit. Ideal Parker insurance, plus more Ginobili insurance.


In other PG news, Price has somehow managed to hang on another season in the league :lol . . .

Chris Haynes: Former #Blazers G Ronnie Price has agreed to a deal with the Orlando Magic, (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) a source informed @CSNNW. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)Chris (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)BHaynes

[LakerHater]

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[jermaine]

Unless the Heat guaranteed him that he'd take Cole's spot in the rotation (probably unlikely, considering how much they like Cole), I don't see why he'd sign with them.

I could easily see the Jazz being interested in either De Colo or Mills (Spurs connection with Lindsay, need for a third PG, expiring contract to preserve their cap space for '14) in a sign and trade, which would allow the Spurs to offer him more.

He'd be an outstanding fit. Ideal Parker insurance, plus more Ginobili insurance.
You speak truths! Lol

[xmas1997]

I knew Oden would go to the Heat.

[LakerHater]

Kinda knew it too! :depressed

[ace3g]

Emiliano Carchia @SportandoBasket
(http://twitter.com/SportandoBasket)Ronnie Price to join Orlando Magic sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/59… (http://t.co/BenJT8NqB9)

[pad300]

"Taking less" is going to have to mean league min since the Spurs don't have their MLE anymore, so I'm not sure Mo's going to be willing to take that much less.

But, if Mo's down, then it's an absolute no-brainer to add him to the team.

There appear to be a number of back up PGs who appear to be stuck at the vet minimum salary. Mo Williams is one, Nate Robinson is another. Were I the FO, I would reach out to Nate first.

[DesignatedT]

Baynes > Oden

[DPG21920]

Is this Brandon Jennings situation not strange to anyone else? I mean, this is one of the oddest FA situations I have seen in a long while. His own team doesn't want him, no one else is making offers and he's young and billed as a talented PG. Just really, really odd.

[LakerHater]

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[Chinook]

Is this Brandon Jennings situation not strange to anyone else? I mean, this is one of the oddest FA situations I have seen in a long while. His own team doesn't want him, no one else is making offers and he's young and billed as a talented PG. Just really, really odd.

I bet teams made initial inquiries at the start of the off-season, and he's asking price was so high they just haven't gone back. He'll probably re-sign with the Bucks for around Teague's contract.

[DPG21920]

I bet teams made initial inquiries at the start of the off-season, and he's asking price was so high they just haven't gone back. He'll probably re-sign with the Bucks for around Teague's contract.

They really, really don't seem to want him though. Even at the Teague price. He might end up taking a QO and doing this again next year.

[ace3g]

Who's left:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/16/whos-left-a-look-at-the-numbers/?cid=nba_12_twitter_L

Most minutes played, remaining free agents


Player
Old team
GP
GS
MIN
MIN/G


Brandon Jennings
MIL (R)
80
80
2,896
36.2


Gerald Henderson
CHA (R)
68
58
2,133
31.4


Nate Robinson
CHI
82
23
2,086
25.4


Nikola Pekovic
MIN (R)
62
62
1,959
31.6


Jason Maxiell
DET
72
71
1,789
24.8


Antawn Jamison
LAL
76
6
1,636
21.5


Lamar Odom
LAC
82
2
1,616
19.7


Alan Anderson
TOR
65
2
1,495
23.0


Gary Neal
SAS
68
17
1,484
21.8


Beno Udrih
ORL
66
9
1,457
22.1

[ace3g]

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt
(http://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt)Bucks use amnesty provision on veteran forward Drew Gooden, team announced.

is the deadline midnight?

[ace3g]

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
(http://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA)Bucks can now open up something like $8M-$9M of cap space while keeping Jennings' hold on the books, assuming they renounce Dalembert

[DPG21920]

Gary Neal watch ^

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)The Raptors are expected to buy out newcomer C Marcus Camby on the final 2 years of contract soon, a source told Y! LAC, CHI, HOU interested

[TheGoldStandard]

Interested to see where Mike Miller lands.. he's still got something left off the bench.

[ace3g]

Yahoo! Sports NBA @YahooSportsNBA
(http://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA)Bobby Brown works out for Knicks yhoo.it/14ca5ye (http://t.co/wtCn3ASvcG) via @WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Yahoo! Sports NBA @YahooSportsNBA
(http://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA)Bobby Brown works out for Knicks yhoo.it/14ca5ye (http://t.co/wtCn3ASvcG) via @WojYahooNBA (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)




I guess the workout went something like....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cDLZqe735k

[Texas_Ranger]

bobby brown is a baller in Europe.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

bobby brown is a baller in Europe.

I know that, he plays in the Italian league I believe. Just making a joke.

[SpurAddict561]

Miller's "one shoe" shot was one of the most important shots in the series. To say he's done is ridiculous, in our system he would be very successful. I say let's get him

[bklynspursfan]

Miller's "one shoe" shot was one of the most important shots in the series. To say he's done is ridiculous, in our system he would be very successful. I say let's get him

Still can't believe Neal just literally walked away from him and let him hit that 3.... :depressed

[hommeaetage]

Still can't believe Neal just literally walked away from him and let him hit that 3.... :depressed

That play summarized Neal's concept of defense, tbh

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Pelicans expect to meet free agent center Greg Oden next week, sources told Y! Sports. Pelicans poised to make offer close to $3 million.

[DPG21920]

Welp, there goes Oden.

[chrhawk]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Pelicans expect to meet free agent center Greg Oden next week, sources told Y! Sports. Pelicans poised to make offer close to $3 million.




Good luck to Oden then because I don't see the Spurs or Heat for that matter giving him that much money.

[playblair]

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[coyotes_geek]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Pelicans expect to meet free agent center Greg Oden next week, sources told Y! Sports. Pelicans poised to make offer close to $3 million.




Well, that prices the Spurs out.....

[rjv]

very risky move by the hornets but at least they are trying to make a splash.

[Spur-Addict]

3 Million LOL Desperate.

[Sean Cagney]

That play summarized Neal's concept of defense, tbh

Yep, what else is new with Neal and his garbage D or lack thereof.

[timtonymanu]

Better than Oden going to Miami.

[timtonymanu]

Still can't believe Neal just literally walked away from him and let him hit that 3.... :depressed

That and letting Chalmers shoot a 3 to end the 3rd of Game 7. Spurs were up before that, IIRC.

[bklynspursfan]

That and letting Chalmers shoot a 3 to end the 3rd of Game 7. Spurs were up before that, IIRC.

Yea, just going through the motions with no sense of urgency. Just made absolutely no sense.

[ace3g]

That and letting Chalmers shoot a 3 to end the 3rd of Game 7. Spurs were up before that, IIRC.

Yep, up 2 to down 1 entering the 4th quarter... and that play just another example of what we let the Heat do in Game 7, walk into their shots. There is a difference between giving a player space to force them to shoot and letting them dribble back and forth to get in rhythm before taking the shot; especially after you realize said player is knocking down the outside shot.

[dbestpro]

I read an article a while back that was meant to slam the Portland medical folks on how they handled Oden. One of the things that struck me was a reference to Oden's unhappiness as to the nightlife in Portland. It made me think that if he ends up in Miami or New Orleans it aint for strictly basketball reasons.

[chrhawk]

Yep, up 2 to down 1 entering the 4th quarter... and that play just another example of what we let the Heat do in Game 7, walk into their shots. There is a difference between giving a player space to force them to shoot and letting them dribble back and forth to get in rhythm before taking the shot; especially after you realize said player is knocking down the outside shot.

In fairness, that's the shot they weren't making all series. Unfortunately D-wade and LeBron remembered that they were capable jump-shooters in the final game of series.

[ace3g]

In fairness, that's the shot they weren't making all series. Unfortunately D-wade and LeBron remembered that they were capable jump-shooters in the final game of series.

I agree but once you see they are making those shots, you have to give them less space; simple adjustment.

[cd98]

I read an article a while back that was meant to slam the Portland medical folks on how they handled Oden. One of the things that struck me was a reference to Oden's unhappiness as to the nightlife in Portland. It made me think that if he ends up in Miami or New Orleans it aint for strictly basketball reasons.

You don't think San Antonio can compete with the night life in Miami or New Orleans?

[cd98]

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That includes the Spurs.

[TheGreatYacht]

I read an article a while back that was meant to slam the Portland medical folks on how they handled Oden. One of the things that struck me was a reference to Oden's unhappiness as to the nightlife in Portland. It made me think that if he ends up in Miami or New Orleans it aint for strictly basketball reasons.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219948&p=6764358#post6764358

[spurs10]

Still can't believe Neal just literally walked away from him and let him hit that 3.... :depressedHe's just trying to help out.

[CGD]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Pelicans expect to meet free agent center Greg Oden next week, sources told Y! Sports. Pelicans poised to make offer close to $3 million.




That's not an unreasonable contract, but makes him doubtful for Spurs now. Best of luck to the guy.

[AFBlue]

So much publicity for a guy struggling to get $3M on the open market. Unwarranted?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Well, that prices the Spurs out.....


That's not an unreasonable contract, but makes him doubtful for Spurs now. Best of luck to the guy.

Just out of curiosity, what would the minimum contract for Oden be per the CBA? I'm wondering what the difference would be between the $3M that NO is supposedly offering compared to the minimum contract from either Miami or SA, especially when you add in the lack of a state income tax (even though I realize that it wouldn't be an astronomical difference).

I'm going to guess that an extra ~$1M isn't going to sway Oden to choose the Pelicans over a Championship-level team like the Spurs or the Heat. I think that this is his agent's attempt to get Oden more than a minimum deal from either the Spurs or Heat.

[xmas1997]

But the Spurs minimum deal comes without state income taxes so he would get more here than in Miami.

[Hoops Czar]

Oden is financially set and has said on numerous occasions he'd prefer to play for a contender. He isn't going to sign with the Pelicans for a measly 3M.

[coyotes_geek]

Just out of curiosity, what would the minimum contract for Oden be per the CBA? I'm wondering what the difference would be between the $3M that NO is supposedly offering compared to the minimum contract from either Miami or SA, especially when you add in the lack of a state income tax (even though I realize that it wouldn't be an astronomical difference).

I'm going to guess that an extra ~$1M isn't going to sway Oden to choose the Pelicans over a Championship-level team like the Spurs or the Heat. I think that this is his agent's attempt to get Oden more than a minimum deal from either the Spurs or Heat.

league min for Oden is going to be $1m +/-. Top tax rate for Lousiana income tax is 6%. 94% of $3 mil is still going to be a whole lot bigger than 100% of $1 mil. Federal income taxes obviously being ignored.


But the Spurs minimum deal comes without state income taxes so he would get more here than in Miami.

Florida doesn't have a state income tax either.

[rick1991]

But the Spurs minimum deal comes without state income taxes so he would get more here than in Miami.

Florida has no state income tax as well

[coyotes_geek]

Oden is financially set and has said on numerous occasions he'd prefer to play for a contender. He isn't going to sign with the Pelicans for a measly 3M.

Are we sure about that? He's "only" made $23 mil. We've seen guys who've made a whole lot more than that find a way to blow it all.

[Kindergarten Cop]

94% of $3 mil is still going to be a whole lot bigger than 100% of $1 mil.

I was thinking that the minimum for Oden would be ~$1.2M-1.4M, but even if it is closer to $1M I don't see a financially set person choosing a perennial lottery team like the the Pelicans over either of the teams from this past year's Finals ~$1.5M. Obviously I could be wrong, but that's just my take.

[monkeypunk]

Are we sure about that? He's "only" made $23 mil. We've seen guys who've made a whole lot more than that find a way to blow it all.

Doesn't really seem the strip clubs and shark tanks kind of guy, tbh.

Not saying he'll pick SAS just saying he seems to have a head on his shoulders.

[Hoops Czar]

Are we sure about that? He's "only" made $23 mil. We've seen guys who've made a whole lot more than that find a way to blow it all.
He's estimated at about $15 M so it's not as much as I anticipated. He could probably get half that from a contender and I'm not sure the 1.5, - 1.7 M difference in salary would be a huge factor in his decision seeing how he'd be competing for a championship.

[coyotes_geek]

If he's healthy and can contribute, I'd love for you guys to be right. But considering how little money he's made, by NBA standards, so far and the uncertainty of how many more years he'll be able to collect an NBA paycheck, I'm betting he still thinks of $2 million dollars as being too much money to pass up.

[rjv]

the 3 million would obviously be trumped by a 2 year deal, but who wants to take that risk ?

[Kindergarten Cop]

If he's healthy and can contribute, I'd love for you guys to be right. But considering how little money he's made, by NBA standards, so far and the uncertainty of how many more years he'll be able to collect an NBA paycheck, I'm betting he still thinks of $2 million dollars as being too much money to pass up.

Another thing to think of though, is that he is basically "auditioning" on this one year contract. He will obviously get more opportunities for exposure and coaching from either Miami or SA, while STILL competing for an NBA Championship. It's these factors that make me believe that the Pelicans really don't have a chance - and they have to believe they don't have much of one, or else they wouldn't be "overpaying" for him.

[DPG21920]

If he's healthy and can contribute, I'd love for you guys to be right. But considering how little money he's made, by NBA standards, so far and the uncertainty of how many more years he'll be able to collect an NBA paycheck, I'm betting he still thinks of $2 million dollars as being too much money to pass up.

Agreed. Don't see a lot of solid arguments against this.

[coyotes_geek]

Another thing to think of though, is that he is basically "auditioning" on this one year contract. He will obviously get more opportunities for exposure and coaching from either Miami or SA, while STILL competing for an NBA Championship. It's these factors that make me believe that the Pelicans really don't have a chance - and they have to believe they don't have much of one, or else they wouldn't be "overpaying" for him.

He hasn't played in 3 years. I'd be beyond shocked if the possibility of winning a championship weighs more heavily on him than the possibility that this could be the last NBA contract he'll ever sign.

[CGD]

Just out of curiosity, what would the minimum contract for Oden be per the CBA? I'm wondering what the difference would be between the $3M that NO is supposedly offering compared to the minimum contract from either Miami or SA, especially when you add in the lack of a state income tax (even though I realize that it wouldn't be an astronomical difference).

I'm going to guess that an extra ~$1M isn't going to sway Oden to choose the Pelicans over a Championship-level team like the Spurs or the Heat. I think that this is his agent's attempt to get Oden more than a minimum deal from either the Spurs or Heat.

I believe the vet minimum in $1.2M. I'm not the best suited to answer CBA questions.

[Kindergarten Cop]

He hasn't played in 3 years. I'd be beyond shocked if the possibility of winning a championship weighs more heavily on him than the possibility that this could be the last NBA contract he'll ever sign.

If that's the case then why would the Spurs and the Heat be listed as one and two on his preferred destinations? And I never stated that a chance to compete for a championship was the main factor - but it would be hard to argue that it's a nonfactor, no? In the end, you may be right - but I don't think he's looking at this as his last contract, but more of an audition for what MAY be his last contract the following season.

[LakerHater]

357616875057852417 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/357616875057852417)

[cd98]

357616875057852417 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/357616875057852417)

If any team goes into the Oden sweepstakes planning on him as a starter or significant contributor, they are going to be disappointed (and screwed).

[BatManu20]

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[SpurPadre]

Doesn't really seem the strip clubs and shark tanks kind of guy, tbh.

Not saying he'll pick SAS just saying he seems to have a head on his shoulders.

Oh yeah? This indicates otherwise:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/greg-oden-naked-pictures_n_437238.html

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)D.J. Augustin has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the Toronto Raptors, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[BatManu20]

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[Roger Freemason Jr.]

I hope Deshaun gets the last roster spot. All these scrubs getting signed.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

& LOL at Dalembert being the answer to matching up with Dwight Howard.

[monkeypunk]

Oh yeah? This indicates otherwise:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/greg-oden-naked-pictures_n_437238.html

Meh, kids are dumb. Georgie did it too. The trick is learning and growing from the stupid shit. I think he was likely humbled by his knee situation since he seems to have tried to stay out of the limelight in that last few years.

[LakerHater]

357627520696336384 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/357627520696336384)

[rjv]

not sure what camby has left but miller may still be able to give some good minutes here and there for a team competing for a title

[siraulo23]

kleiza waived?

[monkeypunk]

kleiza waived?

Going back overseas...

[spurraider21]

Augustin looked like complete garbage during the playoffs

[ace3g]

Speaking of the Pacers, I'm surprised they haven't added a shooter yet, their most glaring weakness against the Heat.

Also I'm sure transactions will start up again following Summer league and/or as teams are eliminated from it.

[Hoops Czar]

The difference between Pat Riley and R.C. Buford is one isa pursuer and the other is a surveyor. I'm pretty sure Miller was released to make way for Mo Williams. He would have been a better option off the bench than Gary Neal for the Spurs. He's pretty much a low risk, high reward signing.

[TheGreatYacht]

The difference between Pat Riley and R.C. Buford is one isa pursuer and the other is a surveyor. I'm pretty sure Miller was released to make way for Mo Williams. He would have been a better option off the bench than Gary Neal for the Spurs. He's pretty much a low risk, high reward signing.If Mo Williams has any brain cells at all, then would realize that the Spurs are a better fit for him than the Heat. The Heat already set at the PG spot. Spurs have been looking for a backup PG to Tony Parker for the longest time and CoJo is still a project. I agree. Mo Williams would be a perfect replacement to Gary Neal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S6ocu1hLWk

[LakerHater]

357655788413665280 (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/357655788413665280)

[LakerHater]

Thought Riley wanted the Team intacked but the owner is over the cap!?

[AFBlue]

357655788413665280 (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/357655788413665280)

Just like Artest considered retirement or China. Classic ploy to scare crappy teams away from claiming off waivers. I bet he ends up in NY or LA.

[ace3g]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Source: Josh Childress to meet with several teams in Las Vegas on Friday.

[Russ]

Just like Artest considered retirement or China. Classic ploy to scare crappy teams away from claiming off waivers. I bet he ends up in NY or LA.

Agreed. Mike Miller could shoot threes falling back into his hospital bed.

[LakerHater]

357650984568225792 (https://twitter.com/ErinAndrews/status/357650984568225792)

[cd021]

Just like Artest considered retirement or China. Classic ploy to scare crappy teams away from claiming off waivers. I bet he ends up in NY or LA.

To be fair, he has stated he was considering back surgery last season.

[TheGoldStandard]

Still can shoot regardless of surgery

[cd021]

I was thinking that the minimum for Oden would be ~$1.2M-1.4M, but even if it is closer to $1M I don't see a financially set person choosing a perennial lottery team like the the Pelicans over either of the teams from this past year's Finals ~$1.5M. Obviously I could be wrong, but that's just my take.

I think it would be less than $1.1 (he was under contract 5 seasons). I'm not sure how it works because he hasn't played in 3 seasons, in terms of figuring out his years of service.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent 7-footer Byron Mullens is nearing agreement on a two-year deal with the Clippers, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[cd021]

That play summarized Neal's concept of defense, tbh

I'm going to miss yelling "what the hell are you doing?!" at the tv.

He helps of literally every player he guards. Duncan could be defending Joell Anthony late in the shot clock and Neal will help leaving Allen or who every open for a 3.

[TheGoldStandard]

I'm going to miss yelling "what the hell are you doing?!" at the tv.

He helps of literally every player he guards. Duncan could be defending Joell Anthony late in the shot clock and Neal will help leaving Allen or who every open for a 3.

He's patrolling that paint.. Defensive Juggernaut

[Chinook]

I think it would be less than $1.1 (he was under contract 5 seasons). I'm not sure how it works because he hasn't played in 3 seasons, in terms of figuring out his years of service.

He gets credit for every year he was on an NBA roster for at least one day.

[ace3g]

gary washburn @GwashNBAGlobe
(http://twitter.com/GwashNBAGlobe)The #celtics (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23celtics) and former Missouri and Waltham High guard Phil Pressey have agreed to a multiyear contract, according to an NBA source

[Jwash_1986]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent 7-footer Byron Mullens is nearing agreement on a two-year deal with the Clippers, league sources tell Y! Sports.

He has gotten better over last couple years. Good signing for them, damn I don't like when these dudes go to our competition. One thing we have that's been the most effective thing over any team is the SYSTEM, I believe in it. Shit they could put me out there and ill shine in the system it's that great.

[LakerHater]

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[ace3g]

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
(http://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes).@CSNNW (http://twitter.com/CSNNW) Report: The camp of #Blazers (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Blazers) F LaMarcus Aldridge met w/ GM Neil Olshey in Vegas to discuss trades, per source csnnw.com/blog/blazers-t… (http://t.co/vyf9j9Oud9)

[spurraider21]

^give them bonner blair neal sign and trade

[TheGreatYacht]

^give them bonner blair neal sign and tradeShit, give them Tiago Splitter and Gary Neal/Dejuan Blair for LaMarcus Albridge.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1003134_344259862373958_1929332032_n.jpg

[playblair]

indy interested in another pf.......................

blair/hill reunion .......................

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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent forward Jason Maxiell has reached agreement on a two-year deal with the Orlando Magic, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[elemento]

indy interested in another pf.......................

blair/hill reunion .......................

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Considering that they're pretty close to the lux tax, I'd say they would be interested in a S&T for Blair. But, the only trade that seem to work on paper is Blair (S&T) for Gerald Green. He is ubber athletic,has great size but offers nothing else. Low BBIQ, not great defensively and not a great shooter. Not Spurs material imo.

[Chinook]

Considering that they're pretty close to the lux tax, I'd say they would be interested in a S&T for Blair. But, the only trade that seem to work on paper is Blair (S&T) for Gerald Green. He is ubber athletic,has great size but offers nothing else. Low BBIQ, not great defensively and not a great shooter. Not Spurs material imo.

It would be really hard to make a Blair-for-Green swap. Blair would need to get $4.5 Million in his first year to make salaries match.

[elemento]

It would be really hard to make a Blair-for-Green swap. Blair would need to get $4.5 Million in his first year to make salaries match.

Why's that Chino? Green makes 3.5m/year.

[ace3g]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Sources: PF/C Austin Daye, and PGs Bobby Brown, Darius Morris and Brooklyn's Quincy Douby have worked out for #Knicks (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Knicks) this week in Vegas.

[Chinook]

Why's that Chino? Green makes 3.5m/year.

It's the whole BYC thing. If Blair is signed-and-traded with a contract that gives him at least a 120-percent raise from last season, then his outgoing salary for trade purposes is only half of what his actual salary is. So in this case, in order to take back Green's $3.5 Million, the Spurs need to send out $2.3 Million. But in order to get that much outgoing salary with Blair alone, his deal would have to start at twice that. So that would mean he'd need to make a little more than $4.5 Million.

The same thing is true for Neal as well.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87


The 2011 CBA mostly eliminated BYC -- in fact, the term "Base Year Compensation" was removed from the agreement entirely. The rules formerly known as BYC now apply under just one circumstance -- during sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 89 (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89)). If a team is over the cap and re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent with a raise greater than 20%, in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade arrangement, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.
For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team (which is a taxpayer and therefore well over the cap) for $10 million. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade with another team, for that team's $10 million player. Since the conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is $5 million. This trade would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player. The highest salary this team could acquire in a sign-and-trade arrangement is $6.35 million1.

[Baam]

How about Shumpert? Could be the combo guard we need.

[Chinook]

How about Shumpert? Could be the combo guard we need.

Don't think the Knicks would give him up. He's their best perimeter defender and is still very cheap.

[Baam]

Don't think the Knicks would give him up. He's their best perimeter defender and is still very cheap.

There's reports of tensions between Shumpert and the owner after he only played one summer league game and left but you're still probably right.

[cd021]

Considering that they're pretty close to the lux tax, I'd say they would be interested in a S&T for Blair. But, the only trade that seem to work on paper is Blair (S&T) for Gerald Green. He is ubber athletic,has great size but offers nothing else. Low BBIQ, not great defensively and not a great shooter. Not Spurs material imo.

He hit 39% of his 3pts in New Jersey after he returned to the NBA. Last season he hit only 31.4% 3pt which is well below his average of 35%. He is a good shooter, great. He like a gazelle in the fastbreak. For 12 minutes a game you can do worse.

[cd021]

It would be really hard to make a Blair-for-Green swap. Blair would need to get $4.5 Million in his first year to make salaries match.

Just to clear, you can't add a player in to a s&t it would just have to be Blair being shipped out?

[TheGreatYacht]

It would be really hard to make a Blair-for-Green swap. Blair would need to get $4.5 Million in his first year to make salaries match.This is why we shouldn't have jumped the gun on Pendergraph. We could have waited to do a S&T with Indy for Pendergraph and Green. Gerald Green has been very inconsistent throughout his career but he has shown some potential, especially his 2011-2012 sesason. I wonder how much Pop and Chip Engelland can get out of this kid. I'm pretty sure that Gerald Green wouldn't mind playing alongside his cousin. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2761/gerald-green

[Chinook]

Just to clear, you can't add a player in to a s&t it would just have to be Blair being shipped out?

You can. I mentioned it as a good way to get around the BYC restriction. But now you're talking about giving up two players for Gerald Green who's flashed decently enough by hasn't had a very good career. You also have to worry about finding another team to take whoever you dump, which could mean giving up another asset for someone. All in all, it's doable, but not desirable.

[Baam]

New York doesn't have many players on their roster so they could be good candidate to do a two for one trade that would help us.

When I look at their roster they could use a center so maybe Baynes + someone + pick for Shumpert?

Bonner could be a good Amare insurance for them now that they lost Novak... But then not sure how you'd make the salaries match...

[Chinook]

This is why we shouldn't have jumped the gun on Pendergraph. We could have waited to do a S&T with Indy for Pendergraph and Green. Gerald Green has been very inconsistent throughout his career but he has shown potential. I wonder how much Pop would get out of this kid. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2761/gerald-green

That would have made salaries even harder to match. You'd have to almost add Bonner at that point, and that makes it a harder sell to a team near the tax

If the Spurs had wanted Green and Pendergraph, the smarter think to do would have been to trade Bonner for Green on draft night (the Pacers were willing to move their first along with Green for salary-cap relief, according to some reports) and then either sign Pendergraph or trade a guard for him. That would have left the MLE untouched, provided they would have called Neal's bluff and not used any on Belinelli.

[Chinook]

New York doesn't have many players on their roster so they could be good candidate to do a two for one trade that would help us.

When I look at their roster they could use a center so maybe Baynes + someone + pick for Shumpert?

Bonner could be a good Amare insurance for them now that they lost Novak... But then not sure how you'd make the salaries match...

New York pretty much blew its trade load on Bargnani. They no longer have the flexibility to acquire a player like Bonner, since they've given up their mid-level expiring contracts. They could still pull off a small trade like Baynes and Mills for Shumpert, but that's about it until December.

[elemento]

It's the whole BYC thing. If Blair is signed-and-traded with a contract that gives him at least a 120-percent raise from last season, then his outgoing salary for trade purposes is only half of what his actual salary is. So in this case, in order to take back Green's $3.5 Million, the Spurs need to send out $2.3 Million. But in order to get that much outgoing salary with Blair alone, his deal would have to start at twice that. So that would mean he'd need to make a little more than $4.5 Million.

The same thing is true for Neal as well.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

Ohh I see. Thanks for the info man. If that's the case, there's zero chance a trade happens. I don't even think SA likes Green anyway.

[elemento]

He hit 39% of his 3pts in New Jersey after he returned to the NBA. Last season he hit only 31.4% 3pt which is well below his average of 35%. He is a good shooter, great. He like a gazelle in the fastbreak. For 12 minutes a game you can do worse.

Even though SA would not be giving up anything here (Blair is gone anyways), Green doesn't look like a Spurs material player. I like the fact that he has great size and crazy athleticism, but I think he should offer a bit more to get a 3.5m paycheck from SA. There's a reason why Indy put him in the trade block and couldn't find him a home.

Indy did a great job last season and they have a nice team, but they sucked big time signing their role players, especially Ian.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Free agent center Sam Dalembert's deal with Dallas: two years, $7.5M, league sources tell Y! Partial guarantee for 2014-'15 season.

[Universe]

This is why we shouldn't have jumped the gun on Pendergraph. We could have waited to do a S&T with Indy for Pendergraph and Green. Gerald Green has been very inconsistent throughout his career but he has shown some potential, especially his 2011-2012 sesason. I wonder how much Pop and Chip Engelland can get out of this kid. I'm pretty sure that Gerald Green wouldn't mind playing alongside his cousin. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2761/gerald-green

As someone who watched Gerald Green in his time with the Nets, it would not be worth it. Better option and a lot cheaper going after Cory Joseph's cousin Kris who fills the small forward hole. He tears it up in the D-League but never really gets a chance in the NBA. Green on the other hand took advantage of the situation in New Jersey and got paid.

[Chinook]

I saw DJ White just got release. I think people were clamoring for him a few years ago.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Mike Miller has cleared amnesty waivers and become a free agent, league source tells Y! Sports.

[ace3g]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
(http://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN)Mike Miller cleared amnesty waivers & is a free agent. Spurs, Thunder, Grizzlies & Rockets among teams with interest in signing him.

[loveforthegame]

Of course Spurs are interested.

[Hoops Czar]

Of course Rockets are interested.

[bklynspursfan]

Grizzlies would make a lot of sense for both sides...

[timtonymanu]

Not my ideal backup SF for Kawhi, but Mike Miller wouldn't be a bad option.

I'm not sure how effective he would be, but he's an upgrade over Tracy McGrady. He didn't play much in the playoffs, but was ready when Spo called his number. He's still capable of hitting big shots.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Oklahoma City has emerged as a frontrunner to sign free agent Mike Miller, league sources tell Y! Sports.




Trade exception

[timtonymanu]

Oh well.

[Chinook]

Trade exception

Won't help them. They can't use it for Miller. Plus, he's amnestied. He'll sign wherever he goes for the minimum, as it won't make any difference to him financially.

[ace3g]

Emiliano Carchia ‏@SportandoBasket (https://twitter.com/SportandoBasket) 1h (https://twitter.com/SportandoBasket/status/358193258431643650) Aaron Brooks signs a one-year deal with the Rockets http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/59810/aaron-brooks-signs-a-one-year-deal-with-the-rockets.html … (http://t.co/7t1ntFbmCv)

[rjv]

is NO really considering a 2 year deal for oden (MSNBC is reporting this)?

[NickiRasgo]

Rockets is signing everyone.

[Bruno]

I find it interesting how Rockets have filled their roster. They have signed a lot of perimeter players which hints that they will play their fair share of small ball. In addition to Houston, other contender like Warriors, Thunder or Heat will likely also playing some small ball.

it should push Spurs to add another SF whether it's as a FA or by a trade. If Spurs stick to classical lineups, they might be fine as they are but it won't work if they have to play a lot of small ball. For example, an extra SF wouldn't have hurt in the Finals.

[xmas1997]

is NO really considering a 2 year deal for oden (MSNBC is reporting this)?

Thats how it appears.
Those who don't want Oden here will probably get their wish. :bang

[ace3g]

I find it interesting how Rockets have filled their roster. They have signed a lot of perimeter players which hints that they will play their fair share of small ball. In addition to Houston, other contender like Warriors, Thunder or Heat will likely also playing some small ball.

it should push Spurs to add another SF whether it's as a FA or by a trade. If Spurs stick to classical lineups, they might be fine as they are but it won't work if they have to play a lot of small ball. For example, an extra SF wouldn't have hurt in the Finals.

Been saying this for a while that Spurs need depth at SF (at least 3) for small ball line ups. Spurs use a lot of guards in their line ups, while the trend now is to use multiple SFs.

* Well they did have an extra SF during the playoffs in TMac but he was never going to play and only brought in for insurance, again showing Pop's reliance on using guards in small ball. I know the options were few and far but Spurs should have signed someone, following SJAX exit, who could work in small ball instead of just for injury insurance. Granted this is all hindsight with the Finals results.

[ace3g]

Hoops Rumors @HoopsRumors
(http://twitter.com/HoopsRumors)Lakers To Sign Shawne Williams dlvr.it/3gwgJm (http://t.co/9qCv3pDDev) #nba (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23nba)

[Poolboy5623]

Who the hell is Shawne Williams?

[ducks]

google is your friend
jeff spurs beat writer

[playblair]

hmmmmmm gary neal spurs fiesta colors..............................

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPlOaTQCQAEqN1x.jpg

[admiralsnackbar]

it should push Spurs to add another SF whether it's as a FA or by a trade. If Spurs stick to classical lineups, they might be fine as they are but it won't work if they have to play a lot of small ball. For example, an extra SF wouldn't have hurt in the Finals.

Do you think Singleton could fill that void, or is he too one-dimensional. At this point, I have to say I'm at least intrigued by the possibility of bringing in a fast defensive specialist, but at the same time, I haven't seen the guy play since he was in college, really.

[Bruno]

Do you think Singleton could fill that void, or is he too one-dimensional. At this point, I have to say I'm at least intrigued by the possibility of bringing in a fast defensive specialist, but at the same time, I haven't seen the guy play since he was in college, really.

No, I don't think Singleton would fit that void. He is just too bad offensively.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Mavs tried hard to avoid it but were forced Friday to officially waive center Bernard James to have sufficient cap space to sign Monta Ellis

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Mavs hope to re-sign James if he clears waivers but legit chance he gets claimed given he's an athletic, blossoming big at less than a mil

[Chinook]

Oh, yeah, someone will. Every team can bid on him.

[playblair]

^^ bernard james do want ......................

[TimDunkem]

Bernard James would be perfect fit in every sense. :toast

[Chinook]

He's as old as Splitter and not nearly polished enough to be a regular rotation player on the Spurs. But for a team like Miami, it's a no-brainer to make a claim.

[manufor3]

James would be nice as a very end of the bench player who isn't asked to do anything on offense. His defense is solid, but the need at SF is a more pressing issue than bringing on another center.

[Kindergarten Cop]

He's as old as Splitter and not nearly polished enough to be a regular rotation player on the Spurs. But for a team like Miami, it's a no-brainer to make a claim.

I agree that it would be a no-brainer for Miami to make a claim, but I would be extremely shocked if they get a chance. I have to believe that at least one of the other 29 teams in the will attempt to acquire him before he clears.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: Byron Mullens reaches agreement on two-year deal with the Clippers. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--clippers-nearing-deal-with-byron-mullens-024229925.html …

[ace3g]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) 35m (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/359150464283054080) ESPN sources: Trade in works to send draft rights of PG Nick Calathes from Mavericks to Grizzlies. Details here: http://es.pn/12aHBVh (http://t.co/BcWyOqmbgD)

[Baam]

hmmmmmm gary neal spurs fiesta colors..............................

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPlOaTQCQAEqN1x.jpg

Nice shirt, I'm still waiting to see what happens with him but I would be disappointed if they let him go, he's the best shooter on the roster and has shown up big when it mattered for 3 years, there's zero reason to let him walk, if they wanted a more balanced roster they didn't have to sign two scrubs that don't really fill any needs...

[look_at_g_shred]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: Byron Mullens reaches agreement on two-year deal with the Clippers. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--clippers-nearing-deal-with-byron-mullens-024229925.html …

Damn...Clippers are loaded this year...

[Kindergarten Cop]

Damn...Clippers are loaded this year...

I don't get all the love by ST posters shown for Mullens TBH.

[Darkwaters]

I don't get all the love by ST posters shown for Mullens TBH.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_byron_mullens.jpg


Hey kids, I have candy in the back of my van. Want to come inside and have some?

http://isoundmyyawp.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/free-candy-van.jpg

[Kindergarten Cop]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_byron_mullens.jpg



http://isoundmyyawp.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/free-candy-van.jpg

That is funny. Creepy ... but funny.

[Budkin]

Ok, shit's getting boring. We need some more real news.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)Nuggets progressing on talks w/Bulls free agent guard Nate Robinson, a source tells Y! Sports. Nate & coach Brian Shaw have had good convos.

[rjv]

looks like the rockets offered a deal to miller. that would be a nice pick up for them

[DesignatedT]

Sources told ESPN.com on Monday that the Miami Heat, New Orleans Pelicans and Sacramento Kings will all send representatives this week to watch Oden work out in person.

Sources say that the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks -- which had face-to-face meetings with Oden last week -- also remain in contention for the 7-footer's services. But the Heat and Spurs established themselves as the frontrunners to land Oden last month and, according to one source close to the process, remain the co-favorites to sign him.

ESPN.com reported last week

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9499694/greg-oden-nearing-decision-host-three-teams-including-miami-heat-sources-say

[spurraider21]

looks like the rockets offered a deal to miller. that would be a nice pick up for them
Yup and since he's been amnestied he's gna be a cheap replacement for Delfino, and more playoff proven

[Budkin]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9499694/greg-oden-nearing-decision-host-three-teams-including-miami-heat-sources-say

Please sign Oden Spurs.

[Darkwaters]

Ok, shit's getting boring. We need some more real news.

Not sure if you heard...

http://i36.tinypic.com/9zyu5u.jpg

[Sean Cagney]

Nice shirt, I'm still waiting to see what happens with him but I would be disappointed if they let him go, he's the best shooter on the roster and has shown up big when it mattered for 3 years, there's zero reason to let him walk, if they wanted a more balanced roster they didn't have to sign two scrubs that don't really fill any needs...
He didn't show up games 6 and 7 and played some horrible D as well, last year against OKC I don't remember him much either. I would not say he showed up when it really mattered being he dissapeared in the biggest games of the last two years. He had a game or two yes, but overall he has been bad in the big games. I would wish him luck but honestly I would not be dissapointed if he was gone because we have a ton of 2g's on the team and a few who can shoot well.

I would not say Marco is a scrub either, infact he is an upgrade from Neal most would agree in here. Neal is very very one dimensional and horrible on D.

[chrhawk]

Greg Oden will host three teams this week as the former No. 1 overall pick nears a decision on where he'll launch his NBA comeback, according to sources with knowledge of the free agent center's plans. Sources told ESPN.com on Monday that the Miami Heat, New Orleans Pelicans and Sacramento Kings will all send representatives this week to watch Oden work out in person (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9499694/greg-oden-nearing-decision-host-three-teams-including-miami-heat-sources-say). ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9499694/greg-oden-nearing-decision-host-three-teams-including-miami-heat-sources-say)
Apparently the Spurs and the Mavericks had a meeting with Oden last week. If the Spurs sign Oden I would have mixed feelings about it.

[Darkwaters]

I really don't get all the Spurs fans praying that we sign Oden.

Why?

[bklynspursfan]

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick (https://twitter.com/sam_amick)11m (https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/359390358100123650)
The Nuggets are closing in on free agent guard Nate Robinson, I'm told. Denver offering bi-annual exception to land him.Could be done today.

[Chinook]

I don't want it. Despite what people keep saying, there's almost no upside in it for the Spurs. At his best, Oden's Duncan with no outside game. With Splitter making so much money, he'll be Tim's primary backup, and Diaw, Pendergraph and Baynes will all play minutes at the five. Oden's just a wasted roster spot.

[chrhawk]

I really don't get all the Spurs fans praying that we sign Oden.

Why?

I don't care if they sign him one way or the other. If they do, I just wonder how he fits in their big rotation. Would he even play at all or will he spend next year on the IR. For the minimum it's not a bad gamble at all. But if he can't contribute right away I can do without him.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah. No thanks to Oden. The Spurs have enough bigs. We need a backup SF.

[xmas1997]

I really don't get all the Spurs fans praying that we sign Oden.

Why?

Because if he can remain injury free this time, he "could" become someone who gets us past the TD years with further chances at championships. The key of course is the injury free part because few doubt his ability and talent.

[spursince#99]

Bring back Neal and sign Oden. Then get an above average SF backup for Kawhi and I'll be happy for this offseason.

[Darkwaters]

Because if he can remain injury free this time, he "could" become someone who gets us past the TD years with further chances at championships. The key of course is the injury free part because few doubt his ability and talent.

No offense man, but I can't get past that first part. I mean, seriously, how likely do you think that is?

1% chance?
2% if he prays really hard?

I mean, I'm in total agreement that getting a healthy Oden would make this offseason amazing. But we're fooling ourselves if we think ANYONE is getting a healthy Oden. Hes done. Let someone else gamble. I'd rather sign someone else and let other teams gamble on Oden.

[yavozerb]

Because if he can remain injury free this time, he "could" become someone who gets us past the TD years with further chances at championships. The key of course is the injury free part because few doubt his ability and talent.

As I stated in another thread, I would take TD's knees over Odens anyday of the week. This is pretty sad considering TD has played in many more games and is about 12 years older.

[xmas1997]

No offense man, but I can't get past that first part. I mean, seriously, how likely do you think that is?

1% chance?
2% if he prays really hard?

I mean, I'm in total agreement that getting a healthy Oden would make this offseason amazing. But we're fooling ourselves if we think ANYONE is getting a healthy Oden. Hes done. Let someone else gamble. I'd rather sign someone else and let other teams gamble on Oden.

I know what you are saying, it is a BIG IF, but IMHO worth the gamble because (again a BIG IF) if he can finally stay injury free, or at least major injury free, then we are all in agreement and the Spurs are the better for it.

[DesignatedT]

2 years 4 mil for Robinson is pretty cheap. I thought somebody was going to overpay for him.

I wish the Spurs would try to work a S&T for Mo Williams with Utah.

[xmas1997]

I am going to shut up about Oden now because I have this weird feeling that the more I express my desire to have him play here, the more I jinx it. :lol

Looks like nothing is going to happen today on the Spurs front, another ho-hum day!:(

[chrhawk]

2 years 4 mil for Robinson is pretty cheap. I thought somebody was going to overpay for him.

I wish the Spurs would try to work a S&T for Mo Williams with Utah.

It looks like a sign and trade might be the best option for Williams. I'm not sure any team that's left with cap space is willing to give him $6M plus.

[ace3g]

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling
(http://twitter.com/JaredZwerling)Source: Lou Amundson is talking to a number of teams right now. No offer yet.