2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades

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Nazr Mohammed @NazrMohammed
(http://twitter.com/NazrMohammed)It was an easy decision because I really enjoyed my teammates, coaching staff, management and the fans. I felt that we exceeded everyone's..


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(http://twitter.com/NazrMohammed)..expectations but our own. I decided to return to the city that I was born and raised in to play my 16th season. Looking forward to going..


Nazr Mohammed @NazrMohammed
(http://twitter.com/NazrMohammed)..to battle with a group of guys who never made excuses and just tried to find a way to win. Can't wait to play for the Bulls again next...


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[ace3g]

Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) Carl Landry meets w/ Doc Rivers and Clippers tonight, sources tell Y! Free agent forward was a favorite of Chris Paul's w/ New Orleans.

[Baam]

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[Baam]

It'd be hilarious if he walks for more money after the retarded loyalty Pop showed towards him. Pop would look even more like an idiot.

[Jdspur20]

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Translation?

[look_at_g_shred]

Translation?
For the 2nd time in my career i'm a free agent. The last time was in 2004. Well see what happens the next few days.

[benefactor]

Manu has a new article out. I'm sure we will see a translated version soon.

[ElNono]

For the 2nd time in my career I'm a "free agent". The last time was in 2004! We'll see what happens these next few days.

[Baam]

I'm a free agent for the second time of my career. The last time was in 2004. We'll see what happens this time around.

[ElNono]

Manu has a new article out. I'm sure we will see a translated version soon.

Where?

[benefactor]

lanaccion. The link is on his twitter.

[Baam]

Spurs' interest in Kirilenko seriousBy Marc Stein | July 2, 11:10 a.m. ET

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/434.png&w=65&h=90&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=falsehttp://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/65/trans/sas.gifSan Antonio is facing a fair bit of financial uncertainty in these early days of free agency, not knowing what sort of market restricted free agent Tiago Splitter will command and openly hoping to re-sign Spurs stalwart Manu Ginobili at a greatly reduced rate from last season's $13 million salary.

But sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that the Spurs are seriously interested in free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko now that AK-47 has opted out of next season's $10 million contract with Minnesota.

Would the Spurs be willing to let Splitter go and use the resultant financial flexibility to replace him with, say, Kirilenko and a bargain big man like Greg Oden? Interesting concept.

Source : http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60731/free-agent-reports-latest-on-mayo-ak-47

[ace3g]

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/m1/1594909-la-columna-de-manu-soy-un-tipo-de-mucha-suerte

Here is the link

[benefactor]

Thanks. Can't get to twitter from work.

[Jdspur20]

Thank you sir.

[ElNono]

lanaccion. The link is on his twitter.


http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/m1/1594909-la-columna-de-manu-soy-un-tipo-de-mucha-suerte

Here is the link


Thanks. Can't get to twitter from work.

That's a link to this article from about a week ago:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218486

[RD2191]

Nono already translated that article.

[BatManu20]

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[benefactor]

Ahh...ok. Since it came across his twitter today I assumed it was new.

[Mugen]

Unless Manu is going for a straight cash grab, he's not going anywhere. He's smart enough to realize that he'd probably be dead by early December if he played for anybody else besides Pop.

[Baam]

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Meaning Gasol is gonna be amnistied??

[BatManu20]

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[Baam]

If we got AK47 and Gasol we'd have so many international alpha dogs of their national teams.

[BatManu20]

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[benefactor]

Do it Dwight. Give in to The Begging. Then they will amnesty Gasol and the Spurs can go after him.

[Baam]

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That's why the Lakers know they only have to have the last word.

[Jdspur20]

Unless Manu is going for a straight cash grab, he's not going anywhere. He's smart enough to realize that he'd probably be dead by early December if he played for anybody else besides Pop.

Bingo, if he starts anywhere else, he won't make it past December. Surely he knows his role needs to be smaller this coming season.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)The Indiana Pacers are finalizing a three-year agreement with free agent David West, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[RD2191]

:lmao Mavs :lmao Rockets

[BatManu20]

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[cd98]

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The banners and billboards begging him to stay must have done the trick.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Pacers are finalizing a three-year, approximately $36 million deal with David West, league source tells Y! Third year likely player option.

[rjv]

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i'd laugh my ass off at the rockets if that happened. and lakers too.

[ducks]

i'd laugh my ass off at the rockets if that happened. and lakers too.

they will go after splitter and josh smith

[Mugen]

The banners and billboards begging him to stay must have done the trick.

It was getting his own reality show tbh.

Let's see if the Rockets give him his own variety show as a counter offer.

[ducks]

people howard still has not made an official verbal commentment

[smaka]

Diva changes his mind every second. I don't believe his bullshit until I see he's signed somewhere.

[Drom John]

2007 Draft WS/48

1) Kevin Durant .189
2) Tiago Splitter .188
3) Greg Oden .180
4) Joakim Noah .167

By WS
1) Durant
2) Horford
3) Marc Gasol

13) Glen Davis
14) Tiago Splitter
15) Rudy Fernandez

24) Jason Smith
25) Greg Oden
26) Aaron Gray

Splitter's advantage in WS/48 is coming into the NBA older than the others.
Splitter's disadvantage in WS is missing his younger years.

Oden's career is still worth a (late) first round pick.

I'd match Splitter offers around 3/$25M, and give gentle minutes to Oden.

[InRareForm]

Inside hoops reporting spurs interested in zaza

[DesignatedT]

Re-sign with Lakers. Amnesty Gasol!

[chrhawk]

Re-sign with Lakers. Amnesty Gasol!

No guarantee that the Spurs get Gasol if the Lakers amnesty him. A team like the Mavs or Rockets that missed on Howard would probably overbid for him just to screw the Spurs over.

[DPG21920]

people howard still has not made an official verbal commentment

How many official verbal commitments in the NBA have you made?

[ElNono]

:lol

[playblair]

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[coachmac87]

Blair will reunite with Bud. Book it

[TheGoldStandard]

Howard going back to LA would be a life after basketball move which would probably come quickly. They're really over the luxury tax level so they can't bring anything in so they'd have to run the same team out there another year older and often injured and he'd be locked in, nobody is going to buy the 120 Million dollar deal after this season. But its Howard so he'll probably do that..

[TheGoldStandard]

Blair will hang out on the bench in Atlanta too

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Martell Webster has reached agreement on a four year deal with Washington, league source tells Y!

[ducks]

damm 4 years

[ducks]

How many official verbal commitments in the NBA have you made?

more then you

[BatManu20]

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[kobexxx]

Fishe can dunk over gasol nowadays...

[ducks]

The New York Knicks are interested in Milwaukee Bucks shooting guard Monta Ellis, but the chances of landing him are slim, CBS Sports reported.
Ellis, 27, recently turned down a two-year extension from the Bucks that would have paid him $11 million per year. The Knicks only have a $3.2 million mid-level exception to spend due to the salary cap.
However, Ellis' agent Jeff Fried has indicated in the past that Ellis is willing to take less money to be on a contender. Also, the Knicks would have more money available if they lose free agent guard J.R. Smith.
The Chicago Bulls, Denver Nuggets and San Antonio Spurs are also reportedly interested in Ellis.
The Knicks acquired center Andrea Bargnani from the Toronto Raptors for Marcus Camby, Steve Novak and draft picks but the deal cannot be made official until July 10.
The Bucks have placed a priority on re-signing point guard Brandon Jennings. Also, the team may sign-and-trade unrestricted free agent J.J. Redick.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pacers have agreed to rescind Tyler Hansbrough's qualifying offer, I'm told, which immediately makes him unrestricted free agent

[I. Hustle]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)Pacers have agreed to rescind Tyler Hansbrough's qualifying offer, I'm told, which immediately makes him unrestricted free agent




We need him on the team to fight with the Birdman!!!

[BatManu20]

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[Seventyniner]

damm 4 years

In the days of the old CBA, it would have been 5 or 6 years easy.

The main effect of the CBA doesn't seem to be dollars per year, but the number of years offered. 3/36 for West and 4/48 for Evans are each $12M per year, but in the old CBA I could easily see Evans getting 5/60 or 6/72 from some dumbass GM.

[BatManu20]

This Dwight Howard saga needs to end already. There's no way he's still unsure of where he wants to play. He knows, and is just soaking up the attention and pampering right now.

[timtonymanu]

This Dwight Howard saga needs to end already. There's no way he's still unsure of where he wants to play. He knows, and is just soaking up the attention and pampering right now.

Yeah, so much for that "quick decision." OTOH, it's funny seeing how desperate LA is.

[Seventyniner]

This Dwight Howard saga needs to end already. There's no way he's still unsure of where he wants to play. He knows, and is just soaking up the attention and pampering right now.

Do you think he'd have it any other way? With all the crap that happened when he bitched his way out of Orlando, I can't imagine him making any sort of firm decision until he signs on the dotted line.

The whole FA period could be messed up by Dwight. Would it surprise anyone if he took an extra week and didn't sign anywhere until the 17th?

[tesseractive]

It was getting his own reality show tbh.

Let's see if the Rockets give him his own variety show as a counter offer.
Maybe the Knicks will get in the game and give him a Broadway musical.

"The Dwight Howard Experience" -- opening May 1, 2014 after he concludes his playoff run!

[DesignatedT]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 10s
Hearing Spurs and Tiago Splitter have ramped up talks and are making progress toward deal terms

[ducks]

so is ak47 out?

[ducks]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 10s
Hearing Spurs and Tiago Splitter have ramped up talks and are making progress toward deal terms

also no other team made big offer to him

[monkeypunk]

so is ak47 out?

I think if they amnesty Bonner, they can afford both. As long as AK isn't asking for the moon.

[stephen jackson]

2/12 mill

[slick'81]

also no other team made big offer to him

Exactly whete r the teams throwing these offer sheets at him

[sammy]

also no other team made big offer to him

They are giving the soft piece of crap 5 yr $45 million contract! WTF!

[sammy]

I got this from breaking news that Spurs are finalizing the deal soft Splitter! I'm so mad! He's not worth 45 million!

[UnWantedTheory]

I got this from breaking news that Spurs are finalizing the deal soft Splitter! I'm so mad! He's not worth 45 million!

4/36

[ace3g]

Ken Berger @KBergCBS
(http://twitter.com/KBergCBS)Rip Hamilton will soon be a free agent as the Bulls will waive him rather than guarantee his $5 million salary for next season, source says.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Chase Budinger has reached agreement on a three-year, $16 million deal to return to Minnesota, league source tells Y! Sports.

[crc21209]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Chase Budinger has reached agreement on a three-year, $16 million deal to return to Minnesota, league source tells Y! Sports.




Is this good news for the Spurs considering Kirilenko?

[Joyrider]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Chase Budinger has reached agreement on a three-year, $16 million deal to return to Minnesota, league source tells Y! Sports.




Does this make AK more likely to not receive an offer from Minny? Has any other teams even showed interest in AK besides Spurs?

[DesignatedT]

Does this make AK more likely to not receive an offer from Minny? Has any other teams even showed interest in AK besides Spurs?

Doesn't look like Minnesota is interested in AK. Budinger signing, Shabazz drafted, etc.

[8FOR!3]

I don't see AK47 signing with Minnesota bc I think they plan on starting Budinger. They liked him off the bench enough to resign him for 3 years.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

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[Texas_Ranger]

Minnesota will also have to pay Pekovic and he is their firs priority.

[LakerHater]

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[elemento]

I told you guys

The HL of the Spurs offseason will be finding a cheap backup SF to Kawhi Leonard. We, as fans, should know it better. It's the Spurs. Forget about AK, Gortat, Ellis, etc

[said7]

Damn Psycho T would be a good pickup. What is he commanding?

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Clippers, Bucks and Phoenix have reached agreement on a three-team deal, sources tell Y!

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler will go to the Suns, Jared Dudley and JJ Redick to the Clippers and 2 2nd-round picks to Bucks, sources tell Y

[elemento]

Bledsoe, JJ Redick and?

[timvp]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Clippers, Bucks and Phoenix have reached agreement on a three-team deal, sources tell Y!




Monta for Bledsoe?

[timvp]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler will go to the Suns, Jared Dudley and JJ Redick to the Clippers and 2 2nd-round picks to Bucks, sources tell Y




Damn, the Clippers can suddenly shoot.

[DesignatedT]

Nice move for LAC.

[elemento]

That's a great deal for the Clips.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)In the sign and trade scenario, Redick will get a four year, $27 million deal with the Clippers, sources tell Y! Sports.

[SpursRock20]

^^^Makes me think that the Spurs could have pulled that off.

[deibero]

^^^Makes me think that the Spurs could have pulled that off.

and how exactly is that?

[objective]

Clippers just got light years better. Dudley and Redick? No more Caron donuts? Redick getting fed by Paul? Dudley playing defense? Doc over Vinny?

Don't worry guys, Spurs got this handled. Bonner and Neal are coming back!

[Chinook]

It was a strange deal for the Suns, though. They really didn't need Bledsoe, and Dudley's a great piece.

[timvp]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)In the sign and trade scenario, Redick will get a four year, $27 million deal with the Clippers, sources tell Y! Sports.




That's a lot of money for a guy who chokes with regularity in the playoffs who has reached the end of his prime years, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

^^^Makes me think that the Spurs could have pulled that off.

I dont want the Spurs giving a 4 yr/27 million contract for Redick. No thanks!

[SpursRock20]

and how exactly is that?
Forgot blue text. I had no idea that Reddick was wanting that many years.

[yavozerb]

Typical big market overpay on a guy like redick. Teams like the spurs just cannot survive paying that kind of cash to a player like him.

[rjv]

another overpaid dukey

[Robz4000]

Clippers got marginally better, but the flaws they've had the past few seasons (bigs' inability to spread the floor, shitty system, PG best player, giving Deandre Jordan a lot of minutes, etc.) still exist, and now they don't have Bledsoe to cause the Spurs problems.

[BatManu20]

So that officially knocks the Clippers out of the O.J. Mayo sweepstakes, no?

[BatManu20]

Clippers got better, but that's a lot of keesh for Redick. Too much imo.

He lives in Austin during the offseason, was thinking maybe that'd give him extra incentive to want to play for SA for less money. But was a longshot regardless.

[objective]

It was a strange deal for the Suns, though. They really didn't need Bledsoe, and Dudley's a great piece.

New gm trying to re-make the team, doesn't care about the deals the old regime made would be my guess. Kendall Marshall probably doesn't have a place in their future, and Dragic is movable if they want Bledsoe to be a point guard.

[Mugen]

If the Clippers got Dudley then that's a solid trade for them IMO.

CP3/Reddick/Dudley/Griffin/DeAndre is an upgrade IMO but it doesn't get them past OKC/SA tbh.

[loveforthegame]

Money aside, great deal for the Clippers.

[timvp]

With all the big names that had been floated around in connection with Bledsoe, it has to be somewhat underwhelming to just land two borderline starters. Sure, they can shoot a lot better now -- but they're worse defensively and there's more pressure on CP3's meniscusless knee.

The strategy against the Clippers remains to force Blake and DeAndre to do anything other than dunk, cover their shooters and turn CP3 into a scorer. Don't see them as a legit threat until they add a piece that isn't relatively easy to account for outside of CP3.

[Rev Hill]

Not sure how this makes the Clippers better at all. OK, they get some slightly better % 3 pt shooters, but from a "starters" type minutes/overall player perspective, I'll take Butler and Bledsoe over Redick/Dudley any day. As timvp point out, Redick is either hurt or fading in the playoffs (and $7M for this guy???), and Dudley's stats this past year, based on the minutes he played and the fact he played on a bad team, were anything but impressive. Would assume Doc has a plan and these two guy fill "niche" roles, but I like this deal for the Suns.

[LakerHater]

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[timvp]

New gm trying to re-make the team, doesn't care about the deals the old regime made would be my guess. Kendall Marshall probably doesn't have a place in their future, and Dragic is movable if they want Bledsoe to be a point guard.

IMHO, Bledsoe isn't a starting point guard. Just doesn't have the instincts.

If I'm the Suns, I probably go small and start Dragic and Bledsoe.

[spursince#99]

not A good move for the Clips.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

The trade makes the Clippers more complete, but they're losing a great player. Bledsoe wrecked havoc on our backup guards last year and offensively he was less predictable than most other Clippers and was capable of scoring himself.

[Mugen]

Bledsoe was easily the most overvalued trade asset in the last 2 years. I'd rather have George Hill as my starting PG tbh.

[BatManu20]

Suns are going to be terrible the next couple seasons regardless. Solid move by them imo. Milwaukee's the real loser here, although he could've just left for nothing so at least they got something.

[BatManu20]

not A good move for the Clips.

How so? They were going to trade Bledsoe regardless and the longer they've waited, the less his value has become. They fixed their biggest need, which was outside shooting. They overpaid a bit for Redick but that's just FA. Good trade overall for them imo.

[deibero]

Suns are going to be terrible the next couple seasons regardless. Solid move by them imo. Milwaukee's the real loser here, although he could've just left for nothing so at least they got something.

they got 2 picks for a guy who was walking anyways so not bad. the thing is they did lost but did so last yr when they sent out the promising tobias harris to orl for a reddick rental, which its ok if youre competing for a championship but not for a first round sweep

[benefactor]

Good move for the Clips but it doesn't put them over the top.

[tesseractive]

With all the big names that had been floated around in connection with Bledsoe, it has to be somewhat underwhelming to just land two borderline starters. Sure, they can shoot a lot better now -- but they're worse defensively and there's more pressure on CP3's meniscusless knee.

The strategy against the Clippers remains to force Blake and DeAndre to do anything other than dunk, cover their shooters and turn CP3 into a scorer. Don't see them as a legit threat until they add a piece that isn't relatively easy to account for outside of CP3.
The sad thing is that they don't even need to add a piece, they just need better player development for Blake and DeAndre. There's no excuse for the way those guys have plateaued when they're clearly capable of more.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Solid offseason for the Clips. Anything that pisses off Lakers fans I like.

[stephen jackson]

cp3s happy.
need griffin to man up tho

[BatManu20]

Unless Blake suddenly starts playing up to his potential, I still think the Spurs or OKC can take LAC in 6 (if healthy obviously).

[T Park]

Nice trade by the Suns. Their new GM is good so far.

[spursince#99]

How so? They were going to trade Bledsoe regardless and the longer they've waited, the less his value has become. They fixed their biggest need, which was outside shooting. They overpaid a bit for Redick but that's just FA. Good trade overall for them imo.


JJ Redick is so overrated. You guys overrate him so much on this forum you'd think he was a prime Ray Allen. Lets be realistic here, he's average at best. Caron Butler was a potent scorer who could really shoot the basketball as well. Bledsoe was their only advantage against us, imo, and now he's gone. As a whole they downgraded on both players.

[Baseline]

Bledsoe was easily the most overvalued trade asset in the last 2 years. I'd rather have George Hill as my starting PG tbh. No, Bledsoe got traded for the most overrated trade asset of the last 20 years: JJ Redick. The Clippers desperately need a third big, and they traded their premium chip for Redick, a guy who literally cannot execute more than one dribble in the NBA? Unreal.

[Texas_Ranger]

so who starts for the suns? Dragic or Bledsoe?

[spursince#99]

Clippers got marginally better, but the flaws they've had the past few seasons (bigs' inability to spread the floor, shitty system, PG best player, giving Deandre Jordan a lot of minutes, etc.) still exist, and now they don't have Bledsoe to cause the Spurs problems.


point in case exactly.

[Joyrider]

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Which will go to Landry. Is Reddick gonna be the backup PG now? Shit is gonna stall when CP3 is on the bench.

[spursince#99]

No, Bledsoe got traded for the most overrated trade asset of the last 20 years: JJ Redick. The Clippers desperately need a third big, and they traded their premium chip for Redick, a guy who literally cannot execute more than one dribble in the NBA? Unreal.


THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd put Gary Neal on my team 7 days a week before I even look at JJ Redick being an option.

[rjv]

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if manu cooperates then we could have just enough to pick up one of these players...and maybe have enough cap to throw a bone to old man oden just for kicks.

[Robz4000]

Unless Blake suddenly starts playing up to his potential, I still think the Spurs or OKC can take LAC in 6 (if healthy obviously).

This trade actually catapults the Clips above OKC but below San Antonio (provided they get Landry as well).

[Robz4000]

Unless Blake suddenly starts playing up to his potential, I still think the Spurs or OKC can take LAC in 6 (if healthy obviously).

This trade actually catapults the Clips above OKC but below San Antonio (provided they get Landry as well).

[spursince#99]

WTF? Do you guys watch basketball? JJ Redick is a poor mans Gary Neal, but just smarter.

[TE]

Jared Dudley is a good pick up. He'll do all the dirty work and occasionally hit threes. Reddick is alright, too.

[stephen jackson]

WTF? Do you guys watch basketball? JJ Redick is a poor mans Gary Neal, but just smarter.

dang he must be a beast then.

[spurraider21]

clippers are also expected to throw the MLE at landry

[spursince#99]

dang he must be a beast then.


Try again.

[benefactor]

They get Landry signed tonight and the Clips are dangerously close to being a contender.

[Holden_Caulfield]

WTF? Do you guys watch basketball? JJ Redick is a poor mans Gary Neal, but just smarter.

lol dafuq, doesnt even make any sense. reddick can actually play defense.

[UZER]

WTF? Do you guys watch basketball? JJ Redick is a poor mans Gary Neal, but just smarter.

You fucking racist...smh

[timvp]

This trade actually catapults the Clips above OKC but below San Antonio (provided they get Landry as well).

I don't see how this move catapults the Clips above the Grizzlies, much less OKC. The formula to beat them is still the exact same today than it was yesterday.

Redick and Dudley are great shooters but who exactly on that team are you going to double? And CP3 plays at a slow pace so they can't even use a Spurs-like motion offense.

I don't seem them being a contender unless Griffin learns to do something that requires a double-team.

[spursince#99]

You fucking racist...smh


How am I racist when I'm black? :lmao

[UZER]

How am I racist when I'm black? :lmao

No self respecting black man would ever has Manu as their avatar...just like no self respecting southerner uses instant grits.

[BatManu20]

if manu cooperates then we could have just enough to pick up one of these players...and maybe have enough cap to throw a bone to old man oden just for kicks.

No the Spurs would use that money to go after AK47. And I bet Oden winds up in Miami. That's his first choice.

[spursince#99]

lol dafuq, doesnt even make any sense. reddick can actually play defense.


Yeah, allegedly.

[spursince#99]

No self respecting black man would ever has Manu as their avatar...just like no self respecting southerner uses instant grits.


Nice cover up. :lmao

[UZER]

Nice cover up. :lmao

I was just joshin dude. I know it wasnt racist. Its just fun to take things out if context sometimes.

[LakerHater]

Dwight "I had a lot of great meetings"

[spursince#99]

Dwight "I had a lot of great meetings"


:lmao

[TD 21]

I don't see how this move catapults the Clips above the Grizzlies, much less OKC. The formula to beat them is still the exact same today than it was yesterday.

Redick and Dudley are great shooters but who exactly on that team are you going to double? And CP3 plays at a slow pace so they can't even use a Spurs-like motion offense.

I don't seem them being a contender unless Griffin learns to do something that requires a double-team.

They were already at least equal to the Grizzlies; the Grizzlies got lucky that Paul and Griffin got banged up and that they didn't have a proper coach.

We'll see what they do with their backup big spots and to a lesser extent, backup PG (wouldn't be surprised if they largely go with a three guard rotation), but they'll most likely start the season as the third best team in the West.

Now make yourself useful and sticky this thread. :rollin

[spursince#99]

I was just joshin dude. I know it wasnt racist. Its just fun to take things out if context sometimes.


Yeah I wasn't offended by it or anything. No harm no foul.

[marinoman]

Breaking news, Nash and Dwight spent half the meeting coming up ways to not pay child support.

[Mugen]

I would have been scared of the Clippers if they added Pierce/KG tbh.

As of now they've gone from Billups/Butler to Reddick/Dudley which is a lateral move at best tbh. Now they could still improve the roster with the MLE but someone like Landry doesn't really change much.

Vinny to Doc is obviously an upgrade but Doc doesn't have Thibbs or KG to anchor that D.

Unless Blake & DeAndre make massive leaps this upcoming season, the Clippers are still stuck in that 2nd tier in the West.

[manufan10]

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[coyotes_geek]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)In the sign and trade scenario, Redick will get a four year, $27 million deal with the Clippers, sources tell Y! Sports.




4/$27 for short Bonner? Yikes.

[timvp]

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Looking like AK47 isn't in their plans.

[benefactor]

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:lol

Now THAT is a waste of money.

[LakerHater]

Looking like AK47 isn't in their plans.
yup, even after they signed Chase Budinger (http://www.spurstalk.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7iHUYdNRWE8A6NZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1MWxuY2E wBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDI1Nl8xO Tc-/SIG=11vq7ni8l/EXP=1372836436/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Budinger)

[Mugen]

2 Guards getting paid in the 6-8 million/year range which is what I expect Manu to get tbh.

Not sure on how much that leaves the Spurs to offer FAs if they amnesty Bonner and don't bring back Neal.

I think AK would have to agree to the MLE to come here...

[Chinook]

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That's going to end up being a sign-and-trade. The Wolves don't have cap space right now.

[TheGoldStandard]

:lol

Now THAT is a waste of money.

They didn't know where to spend it.. he doesn't have to create his own shot.

[Chinook]

Looking like AK47 isn't in their plans.

Since the Wolves need a sign-and-trade to even get Martin, I imagine Kirilenko is on the move. Maybe Bruno's suggestion of the Spurs doing an empty trade will come to fruition?

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[benefactor]

They didn't know where to spend it.. he doesn't have to create his own shot.
They just signed Budinger and they have Shved. Horrible waste of money.

[DesignatedT]

and they drafted Shabazz.

[BatManu20]

Damn Minnesota just throwing money around. If they sign Kevin Martin, AK47 is certainly done there. Get 'em Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Also, if K-Mart leaves OKC, I think they go after either JR Smith or O.J. Mayo. Mayo seems more likely.

[coyotes_geek]

Minnesota "doing something" just for the sake of being able to say that they're doing something. Very maverick-like of them.

[manufan10]

What does OKC's cap look like? I haven't seen them attached to any names yet.

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[DPG21920]

What does OKC's cap look like? I haven't seen them attached to any names yet.

At this point, they have 0 actual cap space.

[Chinook]

^Maybe there's going to be a big trade that sends AK to the Spurs, Martin to the Wolves, JR Smith to the Thunder and a trade exception (and picks) to the Knicks. That would give them the financial flexibility to get a good guard, although they can't actually acquire a free-agent that way.

[said7]

A friend of mine knows someone in OKC says they are trying very hard to land JR smith. Recruiting visits to NY and what not.

[BatManu20]

A friend of mine knows someone in OKC says they are trying very hard to land JR smith. Recruiting visits to NY and what not.

Sounds legit...

[timvp]

A friend of mine knows someone in OKC says they are trying very hard to land JR smith. Recruiting visits to NY and what not.

prayingdog.jpg that happens

[manufan10]

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[BatManu20]

Well that escalated quickly..

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[benefactor]

:lol Wolves

[Baam]

prayingdog.jpg that happens

You can't be serious...

[RD2191]

Lol

[BatManu20]

Manufan10 you beat me to it. But yea, that's pretty surprising.

[DPG21920]

How can Minny even offer that when they don't have the cap space cleared?

[timvp]

You can't be serious...

JR Smith taking shots away from Durant? Uh, yeah, that'd be great news for the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

AK47 is in our sights.

[RD2191]

Did Martin start last season?

[Ditty]

Hello AK47 :D

[manufan10]

That Harden trade keeps looking worse and worse for the Thunder.

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[TE]

:lol minnesota

[DesignatedT]

Minnesota has cap room for Martin?

[Robz4000]

I don't see how this move catapults the Clips above the Grizzlies, much less OKC. The formula to beat them is still the exact same today than it was yesterday.

Redick and Dudley are great shooters but who exactly on that team are you going to double? And CP3 plays at a slow pace so they can't even use a Spurs-like motion offense.

I don't seem them being a contender unless Griffin learns to do something that requires a double-team.

The Grizz are going to be worse this upcoming season with Zbo prolly getting dealt and Hollins already gone (overrated coach but still a great leader that ran a rocksolid philosophy). OKC at this point is scrambling to make changes to compete after dealing Harden for what essentially may turn out to be nothing. Martin, while being a playoff choker, was still an essential 6th man. Abacka was terrible this postseason for the most part as well. That team is Westbrook, Durant, and heavily dependant role-players. While the Clippers are essentially the same way (but with only CP3), they have a much deeper quality of them with experience. It's close but imo Clippers are better than OKC if they land Landry and a solid backup for CP3.

[Baam]

JR Smith taking shots away from Durant? Uh, yeah, that'd be great news for the Spurs.

Yeah the sixth man of the year open for dagger 3s like Harden is great...

[spurraider21]

no self respecting southerner uses instant grits.

:lmao do the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove? :lmao

[jiggy_55]

I don't see the surprise of K-martin. The wolves are the nba's worst shooting team, they need scorers and 3pt shooters and well they got one. He would fit quite well with Rubio finding him open shots I guess

[Baam]

The Grizz are going to be worse this upcoming season with Zbo prolly getting dealt and Hollins already gone (overrated coach but still a great leader that ran a rocksolid philosophy). OKC at this point is scrambling to make changes to compete after dealing Harden for what essentially may turn out to be nothing. Martin, while being a playoff choker, was still an essential 6th man. Abacka was terrible this postseason for the most part as well. That team is Westbrook, Durant, and heavily dependant role-players. While the Clippers are essentially the same way (but with only CP3), they have a much deeper quality of them with experience. It's close but imo Clippers are better than OKC if they land Landry and a solid backup for CP3.

Yeah basically the best team will all be small ball and Tiago is gonna be useless.

[BatManu20]

:lol this f*ckin guy..... needs a vacay to think it over..

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[SanDiegoSpursFan]

You can't be serious...
Smith would only take away shots from Westbrook and Durant. He isn't that good of a spot-up shooters and is a bad ball-handler. Smith makes them worse.

[spurraider21]

Minnesota has cap room for Martin?

they basically took the 10 million that Kirilenko turned down (and change) and gave it to Buddinger and Martin

[spurraider21]

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:lol bringing back chauncey. he's done.

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[DPG21920]

How can Minny even offer that when they don't have the cap space cleared?
Bruno

I'm assuming it's because they have not officially signed and they have time to make room? But if they don't then obviously it would need to be a S&T or the deal dies, correct?

[Texas_Ranger]

Kirilenko said yesterday that he doesn't want to be a backup, so I don't know why would he come here.

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[Chinook]

How can Minny even offer that when they don't have the cap space cleared?


they basically took the 10 million that Kirilenko turned down (and change) and gave it to Buddinger and Martin

Sort of. They don't have any cap space at all, and they never really did. They're most likely going to have to sign-and-trade for Martin. That means they'll be more than willing to work with the Spurs for Kirilenko.

[Baam]

Kirilenko said yesterday that he doesn't want to be a backup, so I don't know why would he come here.

People still don't get it somehow, they think he's dying to backup Tiago the vagina...

[DesignatedT]

Sort of. They don't have any cap space at all, and they never really did. They're most likely going to have to sign-and-trade for Martin. That means they'll be more than willing to work with the Spurs for Kirilenko.

So they can't just sign Martin? There has to be a S&T coming? What about their Pekovic situation?

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[BatManu20]

Kirilenko said yesterday that he doesn't want to be a backup, so I don't know why would he come here.

Cause we're one of the few teams he could join and be a contender. Pop and R.C. just need to have a conversation with him. Let him know that even though he's coming off the bench, he's still going to play a lot of minutes, esp since we're going to try and play Timmy and Manu (if/when he re-signs) even less minutes this year than last. Explain the small-ball line ups to him and how he'd still get a lot of run. I think he'd come around. Plus we can offer him 3-year contract, which is what he wants.

[crc21209]

People still don't get it somehow, they think he's dying to backup Tiago the vagina...

:lol Kirilenko's not a center!

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Kirilenko said yesterday that he doesn't want to be a backup, so I don't know why would he come here.
Kirilenko could get 25 mins or more if he signs with the Spurs. I'm sure he'd be fine with that.

[Chinook]

So they can't just sign Martin? There has to be a S&T coming? What about their Pekovic situation?

They had about $51 Million committed before signing Budinger, and that didn't count their draft picks or Pekovic's hold. So they don't have any money to offer in a straight deal. Pek is protected under Bird Rights, so they can match any offer for him.

[BatManu20]

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Let Neal walk, amnesty Bonner, sign AK47, and use that extra cap space to bring a SG. Would be awesome tbh.

[DPG21920]

Sort of. They don't have any cap space at all, and they never really did. They're most likely going to have to sign-and-trade for Martin. That means they'll be more than willing to work with the Spurs for Kirilenko.

That doesn't make any sense :lol. If OKC says "no" the deals dead then. How on Earth can you offer something that you can't make happen under just your own power?

[Baam]

:lol Kirilenko's not a center!

Tiago isn't a center either :rolleyes.

6pts 3rbs

But has the best agent in the biz for sure.

[Chinook]

Let Neal walk, amnesty Bonner, sign AK47, and use that extra cap space to bring a SG. Would be awesome tbh.

There's really no extra cap after signing AK. He'd take up most of it. It would be better to S&T Neal and use the resulting TE for one. Or you know, just keep Neal.

[ducks]

JR Smith taking shots away from Durant? Uh, yeah, that'd be great news for the Spurs.

yeah smith is very streaky

[Chinook]

That doesn't make any sense :lol. If OKC says "no" the deals dead then. How on Earth can you offer something that you can't make happen under just your own power?

Same way Golden State can offer Howard a max deal. People offer deals to players they can't afford to sign outright all the time. That's how most sign-and-trades work.

[BatManu20]

There's really no extra cap after signing AK. He'd take up most of it. It would be better to S&T Neal and use the resulting TE for one. Or you know, just keep Neal.

Would much prefer the former if we can get decent trade value.

[marinoman]

i know neal isnt a favorite here due to his defense, but we need a guy off the bench who can create his own shot

[Mugen]

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If "what to do" with Neal/Bonner is seriously an impediment to signing Ak47, I'll personally go to SA myself and pull a Tonya Harding on each one of them.

They'll show next year's Finals in prison and I'd never have to buy a drink in San Antonio again.

[TheGreatYacht]

Let Neal walk, amnesty Bonner, sign AK47, and use that extra cap space to bring a SG. Would be awesome tbh.This. SG or backup PG tbh.

[Baam]

i know neal isnt a favorite here due to his defense, but we need a guy off the bench who can create his own shot

Neal got here at the same time as Splitter and clearly outplayed him during the last 3 years, hit many clutch shots including in the POs.

[Mugen]

i know neal isnt a favorite here due to his defense, but we need a guy off the bench who can create his own shot

Patty could fill Neal's role if Pop really wanted tbh.

I'd take 1/4 of what Neal would make to chuck 25 footers early in the shot clock and lose my man on defense.

[Chinook]

Neal got here at the same time as Splitter and clearly outplayed him during the last 3 years, hit many clutch shots including in the POs.

One clutch shot. That's it. Just that one.

[marinoman]

Neal got here at the same time as Splitter and clearly outplayed him during the last 3 years, hit many clutch shots including in the POs.

i support him, convince the others here

[DPG21920]

Same way Golden State can offer Howard a max deal. People offer deals to players they can't afford to sign outright all the time. That's how most sign-and-trades work.

Really? It seems teams with cap space sign a FA and say 'you either S&T him to us, or we just sign him using our cap space". It seems like GS reached out to LAL first with a deal before doing anything to Dwight.

[TheGoldStandard]

Tiago isn't a center either :rolleyes.

6pts 3rbs

But has the best agent in the biz for sure.

According to a lot of people on this site he's a pick n roll wiz, he has great defense and will somehow develop an offensive game.

[Baam]

One clutch shot. That's it. Just that one.

Neal's game 3 performance was more clutch than Green who statpadded at the end of the blowout.

Also hit many buzzer beaters in the regular season.

[DPG21920]

If "what to do" with Neal/Bonner is seriously an impediment to signing Ak47, I'll personally go to SA myself and pull a Tonya Harding on each one of them.

They'll show next year's Finals in prison and I'd never have to buy a drink in San Antonio again.

It's very likely not. Manu is the only important question mark.

[manufan10]

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[Baam]

According to a lot of people on this site he's a pick n roll wiz, he has great defense and will somehow develop an offensive game.

Yeah that's the best part, he's somehow gonna develop into a beast :lol.

[Vic Petro]

Neal is a weapon, there's no doubt about that, but he's a weapon on a minimum (or close to it) salary. When you start talking about $2-$4 million for Neal, it starts to become a luxury that isn't totally necessary. I'd love to have the guy back, but not at the expense of signing a difference maker. Kirilenko qualifies.

[TheGoldStandard]

It's very likely not. Manu is the only important question mark.

If tiago and Bonner are earning that amount then Manu will get an over paid amount and people will complain about that amount instead.

[Baam]

Neal is a weapon, there's no doubt about that, but he's a weapon on a minimum (or close to it) salary. When you start talking about $2-$4 million for Neal, it starts to become a luxury that isn't totally necessary. I'd love to have the guy back, but not at the expense of signing a difference maker. Kirilenko qualifies.

I'd take Neal, Robin Lopez on a 5M/year deal and AK47...

Pop and his "meritocracy" :lol
What a joke :lol
Rewarding the scrubs for coming up short :lol

[BatManu20]

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[manufan10]

Yeah that's the best part, he's somehow gonna develop into a beast :lol.

I haven't seen anyone say that Tiago is going to develop into a beast, tbh.

[Chinook]

Neal's game 3 performance was more clutch than Green who statpadded at the end of the blowout.

Also hit many buzzer beaters in the regular season.

So Neal's shot was better than Green's tying three in Game 1 of the WCSF? Or his three at the end of Game 1 of the Finals?

Neal's not clutch; he's a chucker. He's never met a shot he didn't like, and that includes those in end-of-game situations. It's not like he's extraordinarily good at hitting those, though.

And outside of the Clippers game during the 2012 RRT, I can't think of a signal regular-season clutch shot he's made.

[slick'81]

Man okc lost kmart ?! The harden trade just gets better for them

[Baam]

So Neal's shot was better than Green's tying three in Game 1 of the WCSF? Or his three at the end of Game 1 of the Finals?

Neal's not clutch; he's a chucker. He's never met a shot he didn't like, and that includes those in end-of-game situations. It's not like he's extraordinarily good at hitting those, though.

And outside of the Clippers game during the 2012 RRT, I can't think of a signal regular-season clutch shot he's made.

Dude saying that Neal isn't clutch is the dumbest thing I've read on Spurstalk and I like you.

[manufan10]

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[DesignatedT]

What Neal brings offensively is not enough to make up for what he lacks defensively. Especially in the playoffs when the intensity is very high.

[manufan10]

So Neal's shot was better than Green's tying three in Game 1 of the WCSF? Or his three at the end of Game 1 of the Finals?

Neal's not clutch; he's a chucker. He's never met a shot he didn't like, and that includes those in end-of-game situations. It's not like he's extraordinarily good at hitting those, though.

And outside of the Clippers game during the 2012 RRT, I can't think of a signal regular-season clutch shot he's made.

Don't bother. He's one of the people who discounts Splitter's regular season, but will count one shot against the Clippers for Neal.

[Chinook]

Really? It seems teams with cap space sign a FA and say 'you either S&T him to us, or we just sign him using our cap space". It seems like GS reached out to LAL first with a deal before doing anything to Dwight.

It starts off with mutual interest. A team offers a player a deal, and that player agrees to play there. Then they go to the original team and propose a sign-and-trade. If it's good enough for the original team, it goes through. Teams with cap space don't really have any leverage other than that they can give a full TE. They can't force the player to sign with them just because they have the cap space to ink him outright.

[Juan]

They had about $51 Million committed before signing Budinger, and that didn't count their draft picks or Pekovic's hold. So they don't have any money to offer in a straight deal. Pek is protected under Bird Rights, so they can match any offer for him.

Is this true?

Mike Prada ‏@MikePradaSBN (https://twitter.com/MikePradaSBN)30m (https://twitter.com/MikePradaSBN/status/352213707981471744)
Wolves have to renounce Kirilenko to sign Kevin Martin. Not a fan of that sequence of events.

[TheGoldStandard]

Yeah that's the best part, he's somehow gonna develop into a beast :lol.

That sweeping Hook of Doom will be on posters everywhere.

[Chinook]

Is this true?

Mike Prada ‏@MikePradaSBN (https://twitter.com/MikePradaSBN)30m (https://twitter.com/MikePradaSBN/status/352213707981471744)
Wolves have to renounce Kirilenko to sign Kevin Martin. Not a fan of that sequence of events.

That doesn't make any difference. They'd have to renounce Pekovic, and they're not doing that.

[BatManu20]

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[Juan]

That doesn't make any difference. They'd rather to renounce Pekovic, and they're not doing that.

Does Kirilenko have a cap hold right now? Why doesn't it make sense? It's all over twitter.

[Chinook]

Dude saying that Neal isn't clutch is the dumbest thing I've read on Spurstalk and I like you.

I think you're a good poster when not talking about Splitter. But Neal isn't clutch. I can't name five big shots the guy's hit over three years. Green had that many the past season alone.

[BatManu20]

Very unlikely

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