2013 General Free Agent Signings/News and Trades

[BatManu20]

It's Houston... Has to be. He was leaning towards them anyways. Glad it's over. Houston, you just guaranteed yourselfs that you won't win anything for the next 5 years. Congrats.

[Chinook]

If this is in fact true (not sure how Amick managed to beat Wojnarowski and the other top insiders, but it's not like he's some virtual unknown like the idiot out of Phoenix that claimed the Spurs were in serious discussions for Gortat), then I don't get the Iguodala move by the Warriors.

Sure, at times, they can get away with playing Barnes at PF, but for the most part, they've limited him to roughly half a game off the bench, which will obviously stunt his development, plus given away 2 future 1sts and a quality 3D wing, in Rush and for what? I like Iguodala, but he doesn't boost their ceiling enough to justify the move.

Was thinking the same. He was a wonderful fit in a sign-and-trade, since the team could fill out its bench other trades and the MLE (not to mention re-signing Jack). But it's going to be hard to compete this year, since they're not nearly the biggest contender for free agents to flock to on minimum deals.

[slick'81]

For Spurs, it's better to have Howard going to Rockets than to Lakers because it removes a team with cap space.

Right now these are the team with more than the MLE in cap sapce:
Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Milwaukee, Orlando, Philadelphia and Sacramento.

I really hope Spurs will pick the cap space + room exception option. I feel it's now a buyers market.

Tons of talent out there but spurs r gonna have to start burning bodies just to have any money to bring in a upgrade

[Mugen]

We'll have to wait and see what they do with Asik/Lin but D12/Parsons/Harden is still well below the Spurs/Thunder tbh.

[manufan10]

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[Bruno]

:lmao @ Howard

[houston spurs fan]

Morey fucked Dallas, OKC, and LA in back to back seasons. Well played, respect.

[manufan10]

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[Samr.]

Who woulda thought, of all the teams involved involved in the trade that sent howard to the lakers originally, Orlando would be the one that came out of it looking the best and the Lakers would end up being decimated?

[DesignatedT]

This would be too good if Howard actually chooses LA.

Rockets fans :lmao

[benefactor]

He's going to Houston. This is all bullshit drama.

[manufan10]

He's going to Houston. This is all bullshit drama.

Yeah, I think it's because Dwight is an attention whore. He's just trying to keep this thing going, imo.

[Mel_13]

So Dwight voted Dallas, GS, and Atlanta off of the island. Final tribal council tomorrow.

Dwight's reaching legendary drama queen status.

[davidbowie]

I told you people a month ago howard was going to houston

No u didn't u said Dallas

[benefactor]

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[manufan10]

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[cd021]

Yeah...I had been off the internet for like 3 hours and now Houston has Dwight, and GSW must have nude photos of the GM and Owner of the Jazz. How Utah agreed to take on both RJ & Biedrens for 2 1st rounders is stunning to me. On the plus side both of these guys will be off their roster by the end of the year and they get an extra pick in a great draft.

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[Mugen]

Will be interesting to see what happens to Asik/Lin

[Nathan89]

Sure, at times, they can get away with playing Barnes at PF, but for the most part, they've limited him to roughly half a game off the bench, which will obviously stunt his development, plus given away 2 future 1sts and a quality 3D wing, in Rush and for what? I like Iguodala, but he doesn't boost their ceiling enough to justify the move.

I can tell you one team they can get away with playing Barnes at the PF against.

[slick'81]

So Dwight voted Dallas, GS, and Atlanta off of the island. Final tribal council tomorrow.

Dwight's reaching legendary drama queen status.

All we Need Is the made for tv special

[davidbowie]

Did everyone forget that Dwight fuckin blows and is a cancer to his team

[RD2191]

Howard is such a fucking faggot. We would still own Houston. They play no defense and we have Baynes :hat

[look_at_g_shred]

Supposedly has agreed to sign with Houston from what I'm hearing.

[Mugen]

Lin/Asik to the Hawks for Josh Smith would be great news for the Spurs has it removes another team with capspace for AK and Milsap.

A Harden/Smith/Howard trio does not scare me at all tbh.

[Bruno]

Tons of talent out there but spurs r gonna have to start burning bodies just to have any money to bring in a upgrade

Not really.

If Belinelli has agreed to the room exception of $5.42M/ 2 years, Spurs could have $6M in cap space in the blink of an eye.

[DesignatedT]

Hack a Howard.
Baynes on Howard.

[marinoman]

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[Chinook]

If the Spurs have any cap, they should help them out by taking a young player like Jones. They really need to agree on a Lin deal to have the money, though.

[Chinook]

Not really.

If Belinelli has agreed to the room exception of $5.42M/ 2 years, Spurs could have $6M in cap space in the blink of an eye.

Not to mention another million or so without much pain by trading De Colo.

[TD 21]

It's AK's versatility that makes him a better choice. He doesn't have to play much 4 against bigger teams, playing back-up 3 instead. Now, I have no idea if he's okay with this and wants onboard, but we don't know that about Millsap either.

The difference between West & Millsap vs. the Heat is that West has a back-to-the-basket game and can back Lebron or other defenders down. Millsap doesn't do that. He shoots 12 footers. And his offensive rebound rate has fallen to 8% - half of what it was when he was rookie. He's not good on the boards anymore.

I don't disagree, but try telling him that he's barely going to play against a bunch of teams, especially when it's conceivable that that could be their path through the playoffs. I really don't think he'd play much SF, because of his lack of shooting and particularly in the playoffs, when Leonard will play 38-40 mpg.

With Millsap though, he'd be the starting PF no matter the match-up. And Millsap is good enough in the post to do damage against the Heat. No way they could "hide" Battier or Miller on him.

Look, I get the case for Kirilenko and it's close, but I'd go with Millsap and sign some minimal big wing to fill out the roster.

[benefactor]

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[DPG21920]

Huh? Houston doesn't need much more room to offer the max from what I understand..

[Chinook]

Huh? Houston doesn't need much more room to offer the max from what I understand..

They're about $2 Million short right now. They'd have to release about three young players to make that happen.

[SpursSerb]

Glad it's Houston.Him in GSW looked much scarier to me.

[rjv]

jack has learded loyalty is a biatch. he cried after the spurs series, swore his love for GS and now he's been renounced.

[DesignatedT]

Fake SportsCenter ‏@FakeSportsCentr 50s
Dwight Howard reportedly unhappy in Houston

[Mugen]

Fake SportsCenter ‏@FakeSportsCentr 50s
Dwight Howard reportedly unhappy in Houston

:lol

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I can see a Josh Smith for Asik+filler S&T.

I don't. Nuggets finally did the smart thing and just let a player walk in Iggy. This way GS doesn't have his bird rights, can't S&T without ramifications for the next 3 years, GS doesn't have the full MLE, GS had to renounce Jack (who IMO was a much better fit to GS than Iggy is going to be). Why feed the competition.

Asik is going to make 15mil next year. I doubt the Hawks want that on their cap space. Might as well resign Smith if that is the case. I bet the Hawks sign and trade with the Mavs b/c they can use Marion as the Hawks need a starting SF, and his contract comes off the books next year. Hawks could ask for two second rounders next year as well as the Mavs have 3 next year.

[rjv]

GS wants their trade back...

[Blackjack]

It's AK's versatility that makes him a better choice. He doesn't have to play much 4 against bigger teams, playing back-up 3 instead. Now, I have no idea if he's okay with this and wants onboard, but we don't know that about Millsap either.

The difference between West & Millsap vs. the Heat is that West has a back-to-the-basket game and can back Lebron or other defenders down. Millsap doesn't do that. He shoots 12 footers. And his offensive rebound rate has fallen to 8% - half of what it was when he was rookie. He's not good on the boards anymore.

Apologize, late to the party - and have no idea what's been goin on.

Are we suggesting West is an option, or is this simply a comparison to justify preferring Millsap to AK47?

TD21? Apologize, not able to go back and read all that's transpired.

[TD 21]

As an aside, I think this seals the opening night match-ups: Nets at Heat and Rockets at Thunder.

That's right, James vs Garnett and Pierce in the season opener for the 37th straight year! But at least no Lakers for once.


Blackjack, West has already re-signed with the Pacers. We're discussing Millsap vs Kirilenko. I'd be pleased with either, but I'd lean towards Millsap, because he's be a more conventional fit, plus a good fit against the Heat, too. K-State Spur thinks otherwise.

[Mel_13]

Apologize, late to the party - and have no idea what's been goin on.

Are we suggesting West is an option, or is this simply a comparison to justify preferring Millsap to AK47?

TD21? Apologize, not able to go back and read all that's transpired.

sup Jack.

Just part of a AK47/Millsap convo.

West already agreed to new deal with Indy.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

I am glad Houston signed him. Howard is a worse version of Terrell Owens. At least Owens gave it his all out there, just ran his mouth. Howard whines and cries like a baby all the time, even on the court.

Houston probably still have to give away a couple of more players. The only guy anyone would want is Patrick Beverly. So that leave Houston with Lin running the Point and no backup PG. Only can sign a backup for the league minimum. Gutting your team to sign a guy like Howard is laughable. I can see Lebron, even though I don't like the guy at all.

[timtonymanu]

:lmao Lakers

[ohmwrecker]

I think Millsap will get more than what the Spurs can spend, but that's probably already been discussed, right?

[DPG21920]

They're about $2 Million short right now. They'd have to release about three young players to make that happen.

Which is quite the easy decision for them. It's not an issue.

[benefactor]

Story up by Woj. It's done.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--dwight-howard-leaves-lakers-for-rockets-221642082.html

[DesignatedT]

So what players are looking at getting waived by Houston if Dwight signs there via FA?

[Chinook]

Which is quite the easy decision for them. It's not an issue.

Sure, but they still have to actually get rid of those players (try for trades, pick which ones, etc.). It's possible they can trade some of their guaranteeds like White and Jones instead of just cutting their non-guaranteeds like Beverly and Anderson. If Dwight's already committed to them, they should do what they can to get the best deals.

Why they didn't have these trades lined up already is anyone's guess. But don't forget if the cap is slightly higher than we think it will be, they may not have to release anyone at all. It would be wise to wait until after the moratorium to get rid of any more players.

[Blackjack]

sup Jack.

Just part of a AK47/Millsap convo.

West already agreed to new deal with Indy.

'Preciate it, Obi. Hope the family's well. :toast

Think I'd be pretty damn happy to have either, probably a little more partial to AK - if I knew he was still the same guy.

But having not been able to watch, Millsap would seem to be the safer option; even if I agree with K-State as to the differences between he and West (who I've always wanted to see play next to Tim and in this system).

Got a lot of faith in KY and his versatility. Dude's slick.

[marinoman]

edit- fake

[DesignatedT]

WojYahooNBA: Rockets now working on trade with Asik and Lin for Rajon Rondo

:wow

[Chinook]

So what players are looking at getting waived by Houston if Dwight signs there via FA?

I think they'll try to trade White, Anderson and Smith. I'd take Smith any day, and I'd even take Anderson back, too.

[rjv]

if ainge ships rondo, then he is tanking

[DesignatedT]

Ahh nvm this dude trollin. Woj didn't tweet that.

[Mugen]

Lin/Asik for Rondo!?

Wow.

[DPG21920]

Morey said "they haven't heard from Dwight yet", but we all know it's done.

[Mugen]

Haha, goddamnit T.

[marinoman]

:wow

my bad it was fake, damn twitter

[DesignatedT]

I think they'll try to trade White, Anderson and Smith. I'd take Smith any day, and I'd even take Anderson back, too.

I agree.

[Mel_13]

'Preciate it, Obi. Hope the family's well. :toast

Think I'd be pretty damn happy to have either, probably a little more partial to AK - if I knew he was still the same guy.

But having not been able to watch, Millsap would seem to be the safer option; even if I agree with K-State as to the differences between he and West (who I've always wanted to see play next to Tim and in this system).

Got a lot of faith in KY and his versatility. Dude's slick.

All is well.

Still in the Metroplex?

[Chinook]

I agree.

It'd be especially good because the Spurs don't have to worry about matching salaries. They could take both players for just a second-rounder if they wanted.

[Mugen]

Asik/Lin are getting moved.

Neither player has a role on that team with the money they're making. Rockets have a hole at the 4 spot.

[Chinook]

They should just let Monetjunas and Parsons start at the forward spots. Both of them can shoot and are pretty mobile. Perfect types of players to put next to Howard.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Sure, but they still have to actually get rid of those players (try for trades, pick which ones, etc.). It's possible they can trade some of their guaranteeds like White and Jones instead of just cutting their non-guaranteeds like Beverly and Anderson. If Dwight's already committed to them, they should do what they can to get the best deals.

Why they didn't have these trades lined up already is anyone's guess. But don't forget if the cap is slightly higher than we think it will be, they may not have to release anyone at all. It would be wise to wait until after the moratorium to get rid of any more players.

Patrick Beverly has some trade value. He played very well for Houston when Lin got benched. I doubt they just waive him. And Greg Smith looks to a promising future backup C. So those guys IMO have trade value. Anderson will probably be waived. And what's funny about this, all 3 guys are decent bench players and young and all the Rockets will have now is the league minimum to offer players to fill their roles. Good luck winning on a 6 man rotation next year.

[Holden_Caulfield]

are they finally gonna trade trob?

[DesignatedT]

It'd be especially good because the Spurs don't have to worry about matching salaries. They could take both players for just a second-rounder if they wanted.

I think the S&T with Atlanta for Smith will happen. HOU will prob just throw in and include the necessary contracts in that trade.

[benefactor]

are they finally gonna trade trob?
Gone to Portland.

[Nathan89]

Spurs won't beat GSW small-ball lineup as the roster currently stands. We need either Millsap or AK imo to beat that team. They're youthful to so they can play big minutes.

[Chinook]

Patrick Beverly has some trade value. He played very well for Houston when Lin got benched. I doubt they just waive him. And Greg Smith looks to a promising future backup C. So those guys IMO have trade value. Anderson will probably be waived. And what's funny about this, all 3 guys are decent bench players and young and all the Rockets will have now is the league minimum to offer players to fill their roles. Good luck winning on a 6 man rotation next year.

Exactly. I think they're going to try to keep them, which means they have to trade some of their underperforming players on guaranteed deals. They are probably negotiating those right now. Also, they could waiting for a definitive cap to be set so they can see how many players they have to get ride of.

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[LakerHater]

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[DesignatedT]

Hopefully this helps RC and Pop realize that something else needs to be done to the Spurs roster.

[Chinook]

I think the S&T with Atlanta for Smith will happen. HOU will prob just throw in and include the necessary contracts in that trade.

That trade would have to be made AFTER Houston uses its cap space on Howard. They won't be sending Smith's full salary's worth back to Atlanta, so they'd take on money in that deal no matter whom they included (outside of Lin). They need to make the room before that, so they'll move the necessary players as their first official business.

[milkyway21]

:lol @ Lakers. di Antoni might be one of the reasons.


Dallas now open for business, according to Cuban.

So, how this will affect our division? we have to get that homecourt advantage this year

[Mugen]

If AK or Milsap care about playing for a contender than there aren't very many options beyond the Spurs tbh.

[marinoman]

the big question now, where does zaza pachulia end up?

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[Holden_Caulfield]

the big question now, where does zaza pachullia end up?
lakers :lol

[DesignatedT]

That trade would have to be made AFTER Houston uses its cap space on Howard. They won't be sending Smith's full salary's worth back to Atlanta, so they'd take on money in that deal no matter whom they included (outside of Lin). They need to make the room before that, so they'll move the necessary players as their first official business.

Maybe they will get a third team involved. I think HOU will move Lin also but obviously ATL wouldn't want him with all their guards.

[Blackjack]

All is well.

Still in the Metroplex?

Yessir. I'll get back home someday, got a family now - in the process of turnin my two boys into Spurs fans.

I'll learn 'em.

[Baam]

Asik wants out according to Stein , too bad we comited to T-Vag already...

[Chinook]

Maybe they will get a third team involved. I think HOU will move Lin also but obviously ATL wouldn't want him with all their guards.

I think they will too. Obviously, teams still have five days to get their ducks in a row, but they need a concrete set of deals in place to be able to know for sure they can afford Howard and whomever else they're targeting. If they got Aldridge that would be just sick.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Asik/Lin are getting moved.

Neither player has a role on that team with the money they're making. Rockets have a hole at the 4 spot.

But who would want them. They are set to make 15 mil a piece next year. I honestly don't see either getting trade as no team wants that consider that Lebron, Melo, Wade, Bosh, Wall, Bryant, Granger, Gay, Dirk, Gasol, Bogut, and even Bonner will be potential FA next year. This doesn't include all the shooters that will be on the market next year as well. With the Strongest draft and FA to come along in years, most teams don't want to take on long-term contracts, especially ones where you are paying 15 million to a guy not even close to being worth that money.

I think Houston are stuck with them. They screwed themselves with putting the poison pill in those contracts.

[Holden_Caulfield]

imagine if gary neal joins the rockets

[coyotes_geek]

Asik wants out, too bad we comited to T-Vag already...

Because if we hadn't signed splitter, Houston would definitely be trading him to us for nothing instead of to Atlanta for Josh Smith.....

[rjv]

bynum to mavs ?

[milkyway21]

:wow

what? Howard + Rondo is a duo to reckon with not mentioning other Rockets (Harden, Millsap)

so he got his wish afterall


Celtic's tanking for Wiggins :(

[benefactor]

Because if we hadn't signed splitter, Houston would definitely be trading him to us for nothing instead of to Atlanta for Josh Smith.....
:lol

[Mel_13]

Yessir. I'll get back home someday, got a family now - in the process of turnin my two boys into Spurs fans.

I'll learn 'em.

:tu

Congrats and good luck.

[Blackjack]

:tu

Congrats and good luck.

Thank ya, sir.

But 'Jack don't need no luck. :smokin

We're gonna watch a game together next season, es gonna happen . . .

[milkyway21]

sad for GSW they even shopped Lee

[Mugen]

But who would want them. They are set to make 15 mil a piece next year. I honestly don't see either getting trade as no team wants that consider that Lebron, Melo, Wade, Bosh, Wall, Bryant, Granger, Gay, Dirk, Gasol, Bogut, and even Bonner will be potential FA next year. This doesn't include all the shooters that will be on the market next year as well. With the Strongest draft and FA to come along in years, most teams don't want to take on long-term contracts, especially ones where you are paying 15 million to a guy not even close to being worth that money.

I think Houston are stuck with them. They screwed themselves with putting the poison pill in those contracts.

They are not making 15mil a piece next year. They are about 17mil combined.

Both have 2yrs left and Asik is one of the best defensive Cs in the league with a decent contract. He'd garner a lot of interest and teams would be willing to absorb Lin to get him tbh.

[Chinook]

They are not making 15mil a piece next year. They are about 17mil combined.

Both have 2yrs left and Asik is one of the best defensive Cs in the league with a decent contract. He'd garner a lot of interest and teams would be willing to absorb Lin to get him tbh.

They are technically making $15 Million each, but they only count for $17 Million against the cap.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

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NOBODY is going to trade for him with that 15mil being owed him next year. Rockets will have to throw in Parsons to make that deal work IMO. I can see Atlanta doing a S&T, giving up Smith for Asik/Parson, but I don't think the Rockets will do that. I think any team taking on Asik contract will ask for Parson as well. Atl needs a C and SF at this point.

[Vic Petro]

Possible Brett Brown replacement

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[Mel_13]

Thank ya, sir.

But 'Jack don't need no luck. :smokin

We're gonna watch a game together next season, es gonna happen . . .

I have tickets to every game. Just let me know when you're coming to San Antonio.

[DesignatedT]

Possible Brett Brown replacement

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I could see that.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

They are not making 15mil a piece next year. They are about 17mil combined.

Both have 2yrs left and Asik is one of the best defensive Cs in the league with a decent contract. He'd garner a lot of interest and teams would be willing to absorb Lin to get him tbh.

Look at their contracts, they both are own 15 million a piece next year. Houston poison pilled their contracts so the Bulls or Knicks wouldn't match their contracts last year.

[chapnis]

Look at their contracts, they both are own 15 million a piece next year. Houston poison pilled their contracts so the Bulls or Knicks wouldn't match their contracts last year.

owed 15 mil in money. Only count about 8mil against the cap

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

They are technically making $15 Million each, but they only count for $17 Million against the cap.

So how much are they counting this year. Their salaries are 17 mil a year prorated, Lin 3 yr 24mil, Asik 3 yr 27mil. So they are only getting paid 11 mil combined this year even though they are counting 17mil against Houstons cap this year.

[DPG21920]

They are technically making $15 Million each, but they only count for $17 Million against the cap.

Why would you want the Spurs to use their cap space on the Rockets low level players? If they can't take back money in the trade, Spurs would have to amnesty Bonner to make what you want work, no?

Also, Lin and Asik, with regards to a trade need 15M in salaries back or the appropriate cap space for that number, correct?

[DesignatedT]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 2m
I'm told Hawks and Rockets working on sign&trade to bring Josh Smith to Hou, probably for Asik and JLin
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Why would Atlanta wan Lin? lol

[kobyz]

Ok after Howard story finally end now to the big fish, when will Kirilenko making his decision? Hope we are strong in the play...

[SpursDynasty21]

All these teams are getting better, and the Spurs re-sign Splitter. I hope the Spurs have some more moves in the works.

[elemento]

If I am Morey, I would try to pull a trade for Lamarcus Aldridge using Asik + picks + young players. He is way better than Smith and a much better fit, even though I know D12 and Smith are BFF.

[DPG21920]

So how much are they counting this year. Their salaries are 17 mil a year prorated, Lin 3 yr 24mil, Asik 3 yr 27mil. So they are only getting paid 11 mil combined this year even though they are counting 17mil against Houstons cap this year.

They only count 8M with regards to the cap, so that is the trade value they need if I understand correctly.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Why would Atlanta wan Lin? lol

They wouldn't, it would be for Parsons IMO. They have Teague and Schroeder. They don't need Lin. They need a C and SF at this point.

[LakerHater]

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[DPG21920]

Why would Atlanta wan Lin? lol

One, he's expiring. Two, I can see Lin doing well in a situation where he's not next to a ball dominant guard. Not great, but better fit for him.

[LakerHater]

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[DPG21920]

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Gross. Why would they do that. Also, if that is true, it points to a S&T or Spurs using cap space, not the MLE.

But Collison sucks so bad and the Spurs have a ton of PG's.

[spursince#99]

All these teams are getting better, and the Spurs re-sign Splitter. I hope the Spurs have some more moves in the works.

[stephen jackson]

All these teams are getting better, and the Spurs re-sign Splitter. I hope the Spurs have some more moves in the works.
this happens every year....
we never do shit this year wont be different....
our best bet is injuries, once again

[DesignatedT]

One, he's expiring. Two, I can see Lin doing well in a situation where he's not next to a ball dominant guard. Not great, but better fit for him.

I don't think so.

[Baam]

What a disappointing off season, Beli and Collison replacing Neal and De Colo...

[Mugen]

Why would Atlanta wan Lin? lol

Prob for some the same reasons UTA just traded for RJ/Bieds.

They need bodies to hit the CBA salary quota and Asik is a good enough C that you are willing to absorb Lin's contract for two more seasons.

[DesignatedT]

I highly doubt ATL takes on Lin.

[yavozerb]

After the trades I have seen today, I highly doubt nothing..

[Baam]

I highly doubt ATL takes on Lin.

Why not if they're getting Parsons or Dmo...

[DPG21920]

Also, if ATL doesn't like who else is out there in FA and does not want to just waste cap space, this basically does for them what UTA just did (get them some salary on the books) sans the picks that UTA got for RJ and AB. Although these guys are actually better basketball players and could be resigned for better deals just next year.

[timvp]

I'm not yet scared of the Rockets. Good team but how is D-Ho going to play on a team that likes to run? How long before he cries that he can't get post touches? I don't think he's THAT big of an upgrade over Asik. In fact, Asik is probably better defensively.

But, hey, even if they're good, it'd be nice to finally get a chance to get revenge on the Rockets in the playoffs, tbh. They've been ducking for too long.

[DesignatedT]

Getting a third team involved makes more sense.

[chrhawk]

Gross. Why would they do that. Also, if that is true, it points to a S&T or Spurs using cap space, not the MLE.

But Collison sucks so bad and the Spurs have a ton of PG's.

As a back-up you could do a lot worse. I actually like this idea.

[DPG21920]

I don't think so.

You don't think so what? ATL needs salary on the books. Lin (as evidenced in NY) plays much better when he has the ball vs off the ball. They are both expiring contracts. It all makes sense to me.

[timvp]

IMO, Josh Smith is a terrible fit next to D-Ho. In the playoffs, you'd just sag off of him and into D-Ho's lap the entire series. And since Smith is willing to take those open jumpers (that he sucks at shooting), it could get ugly in a hurry.

[timvp]

Darren Collison is the dumbest PG in the NBA. Pass.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop would kill himself if he had to coach Darren Collison, tbh..

[DPG21920]

Edit: ASIK and LIN are not expiring, but overall I feel point still remains.

[DPG21920]

As a back-up you could do a lot worse. I actually like this idea.

Not really. He sucks.

[DesignatedT]

You don't think so what? ATL needs salary on the books. Lin (as evidenced in NY) plays much better when he has the ball vs off the ball. They are both expiring contracts. It all makes sense to me.

Don't both players have 2 years 20M left on their contracts? They are expiring?

[Interrohater]

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Hell yea, another guard. We staaaaaaaaaaaaacked!

[Mel_13]

Also, if ATL doesn't like who else is out there in FA and does not want to just waste cap space, this basically does for them what UTA just did (get them some salary on the books) sans the picks that UTA got for RJ and AB. Although these guys are actually better basketball players and could be resigned for better deals just next year.

Lin and Asik both have two years left.

btw, someone once said that variables change. I'd say that today's events have increased the possibility of a Bonner amnesty at least a little bit. With some of the potential buyers out of the market, some potential FA targets may be available at an attractive enough price to justify an amnesty.

[Mugen]

The Spurs don't need a backup PG tbh. I don't understand all this interest in garbage players like Collison when CoJo is a much better option.

They need a backup 3/smallball 4 and they're done with the offseason tbh.

[Mel_13]

Also, if ATL doesn't like who else is out there in FA and does not want to just waste cap space, this basically does for them what UTA just did (get them some salary on the books) sans the picks that UTA got for RJ and AB. Although these guys are actually better basketball players and could be resigned for better deals just next year.

Lin and Asik both have two years left.

btw, someone once said that variables change. I'd say that today's events have increased the possibility of a Bonner amnesty at least a little bit. With some of the potential buyers out of the market, some potential FA targets may be available at an attractive enough price to justify an amnesty.

[DesignatedT]

I think finding a third team makes more sense for ATL.

[chrhawk]

I'm not yet scared of the Rockets. Good team but how is D-Ho going to play on a team that likes to run? How long before he cries that he can't get post touches? I don't think he's THAT big of an upgrade over Asik. In fact, Asik is probably better defensively.

But, hey, even if they're good, it'd be nice to finally get a chance to get revenge on the Rockets in the playoffs, tbh. They've been ducking for too long.

Add Josh Smith and you instantly get the best NBA 2K Dynasty Mode Team-But-Nowhere-Near-As-Good-In-Real-Life-Team.

[joeSpurs]

Golden State would have been perfect for Howard. But ... good for Spurs. Rockets have Harden and nothing else, really.
Regardless, the West will be tough again.

[DPG21920]

Don't both players have 2 years 20M left on their contracts? They are expiring?

I made an edit. The expiring part is a concern, but not a major one IMO. There are definitely reasons to have Lin/Asik together. We will see.

[DPG21920]

Lin and Asik both have two years left.

btw, someone once said that variables change. I'd say that today's events have increased the possibility of a Bonner amnesty at least a little bit. With some of the potential buyers out of the market, some potential FA targets may be available at an attractive enough price to justify an amnesty.

Ya, I made the edit, forgot they had 2 more years, not one. But I agree, there are so many angles and variables this is crazy.

[DesignatedT]

I made an edit. The expiring part is a concern, but not a major one IMO. There are definitely reasons to have Lin/Asik together. We will see.

I just wouldn't want Lin. Especially when he has 20M left on his contract. But it might happen I guess.

[hommeaetage]

The Spurs don't need a backup PG tbh. I don't understand all this interest in garbage players like Collison when CoJo is a much better option.

They need a backup 3/smallball 4 and they're done with the offseason tbh.

They need both tbh

[Mugen]

I think finding a third team makes more sense for ATL.

It's much more likely that Lin is part of a Asik deal then another team coveting him enough alone to be part of a 3 team trade.

[Baam]

The Spurs don't need a backup PG tbh. I don't understand all this interest in garbage players like Collison when CoJo is a much better option.

They need a backup 3/smallball 4 and they're done with the offseason tbh.

Cojo sucks and plays scared tbh. But Collison sucks as well...

[timtonymanu]

Hell no to Darren Collison.

The fact that Jim Vogel chose George Hill over him says alot. Until Woj reports it, I don't see it happening.

[coachmac87]

Collision is one of the best back up pgs in league...

[Interrohater]

Cojo sucks and plays scared tbh. But Collison sucks as well...

Corey Joseph has been a model player for the organization and keeps working hard. He has yet to hit his ceiling or earn the label "sucks" with his limited playing time.

[timtonymanu]

And yeah this improves the Rockets, but the Spurs shouldn't be scared. There's not a big on our team that doesn't give Howard fits.

James Harden will kill us like always, but the Spurs should survive him even if they get Smith.

[Mugen]

It'll be interesting to see what the Warriors do now that Howard is in Houston.

Not sure how happy Bogut will be knowing he was shopped around so heavily and I don't think they gave that much money to Iggy so he can be a 6th man.

Bogut/Barnes or Klay can net them a very, very good player via trade tbh.

[DesignatedT]

It's much more likely that Lin is part of a Asik deal then another team coveting him enough alone to be part of a 3 team trade.

Yeah that's true. I guess it just depends on how much they like Asik. Houston would have to sweeten the pot more if I am Atlanta though. Picks or a young talent or something if I am taking on Lin. That's just MO.

[Baam]

Corey Joseph has been a model player for the organization and keeps working hard. He has yet to hit his ceiling or earn the label "sucks" with his limited playing time.

He does suck tho at this point. Tentative, pass up shots, Curry didn't miss when guarded by him, can't really create anything...

[Mugen]

Yeah that's true. I guess it just depends on how much they like Asik. Houston would have to sweeten the pot more if I am Atlanta though. Picks or a young talent or something if I am taking on Lin. That's just MO.

Houston would def throw in a pick or two in that scenario. I agree that Asik/Lin isn't enough for Smith without some sweeteners for the Hawks.

[Blackjack]

I have tickets to every game. Just let me know when you're coming to San Antonio.

Bueno! Still ain't seen a home game live since the Alamodome.

[Vic Petro]

Spurs could def use a guard that can create shots from p&r. You can't rely on Manu against more athletic teams anymore and I don't trust Joseph to fill that role yet. TP can't do all the shot creation out of p&r by himself.

[Mel_13]

Bueno! Still ain't seen a home game live since the Alamodome.

Then it's about time.

[cjw]

And yeah this improves the Rockets, but the Spurs shouldn't be scared. There's not a big on our team that doesn't give Howard fits.

James Harden will kill us like always, but the Spurs should survive him even if they get Smith.

Kawhi on Harden, Timmy (or Bonner or BAYNES, for that matter) on Dwight. Game, set, match. Harden may actually cry in Joey Crawford's arms when he's shutout in a game.

[robert1886]

Kawhi on Harden, Timmy (or Bonner or BAYNES, for that matter) on Dwight. Game, set, match. Harden may actually cry in Joey Crawford's arms when he's shutout in a game.

why would you even put bonner in that conversation

[timvp]

The fact that Jim Vogel chose George Hill over him says alot.

The chose DJ Augustin over him, tbh.

[timtonymanu]

The chose DJ Augustin over him, tbh.

Even worse. :lol

[CGD]

FA needs to stay out east! West is brutal as it is, no need to add Rondo and Smith.

[DPG21920]

Well thank you to Dwight for wrapping this up early. Now we should hear a lot more about other guys and hopefully get some answers on the Spurs plans.

[look_at_g_shred]

Wonder if our next move is will be dictated by Howard going to H town.

[Mel_13]

Wonder if our next move is will be dictated by Howard going to H town.

They didn't react to Howard and Nash going to the Lakers. The Spurs do their own thing. The one time that they acted like other teams it blew up in their face.

[DPG21920]

:lmao Golden State. Unlike Dwight they need to pull out.

[Chinook]

Why would you want the Spurs to use their cap space on the Rockets low level players? If they can't take back money in the trade, Spurs would have to amnesty Bonner to make what you want work, no?

Also, Lin and Asik, with regards to a trade need 15M in salaries back or the appropriate cap space for that number, correct?

No, a team can always trade for players making minimum deals. They don't need cap space to acquire them.

And I don't quite understand the second question, but the teams only need to make the cap number, not the actual salary.

[DPG21920]

No, a team can always trade for players making minimum deals. They don't need cap space to acquire them.

And I don't quite understand the second question, but the teams only need to make the cap number, not the actual salary.

I was just confirming what I thought with Asik/Lin deals. You confirmed it.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao Golden State. Unlike Dwight they need to pull out.

Judging by his 8 kids with 6 different baby mom's.. I'd say he needs to also.

[ohmwrecker]

why would you even put bonner in that conversation

Matty did a solid job on Dwight for small stretches in the first round tbh. You watch basketball?

[Chinook]

So how much are they counting this year. Their salaries are 17 mil a year prorated, Lin 3 yr 24mil, Asik 3 yr 27mil. So they are only getting paid 11 mil combined this year even though they are counting 17mil against Houstons cap this year.

The same. Their deals were flat cap-wise, per the Arenas Rule.

[Sean Cagney]

The Spurs don't need a backup PG tbh. I don't understand all this interest in garbage players like Collison when CoJo is a much better option.

They need a backup 3/smallball 4 and they're done with the offseason tbh.

They need both to BE HONEST, they need a backup PG and it showed in the finals. They do need a backup SF though, no doubt thats a huge need. SAY NO TO COLLISON! HELL NO!

[CGD]

Looks like Royce White will be driving up to Philly.

[slick'81]

Collison lol Wtf

[Blackjack]

Then it's about time.

Yessir!

[DPG21920]

Yessir!

Hi old friend.

[Trill Clinton]

Yall gotta chill on the Cojo slander. His defense is great for being so young. He'll improve on his offense and he'll gain a lot of confidence in summer league. Hopefully he balls out and gets the backup spot.

[picnroll]

Corey Joseph has been a model player for the organization and keeps working hard. He has yet to hit his ceiling or earn the label "sucks" with his limited playing time.
Joseph a good defender at PG but he puts zero pressure on the defense as a PG. Manu can't do it anymore. Spurs biggest need by far is a player besides Parker, PG or SG, who can break down the defense and create a shot for himself or others. Cojo doesn't cut it on offense and hasn't shown any indication he will.

[Mugen]

:lol People giving up on a 21yo who got his first meaningful NBA mins in the playoffs.

[Blackjack]

Hi old friend.

How the hell ya been, Tell 'Em?

[Vic Petro]

:lol People giving up on a 21yo who got his first meaningful NBA mins in the playoffs.

Has nothing to do with giving up on him. But this is a 2 year window and I'm not entirely comfortable with the thought of Cory Joseph running a pick and roll in the 4th quarter of an nba finals game.

[DPG21920]

How the hell ya been, Tell 'Em?

Been doing pretty well tbh..my knowledge is growing and got to watch a crazy Spurs run this year.

[ohmwrecker]

:lol People giving up on a 21yo who got his first meaningful NBA mins in the playoffs.

His points are valid though. Cojo needs to work hard if he wants to be legit backup and more than just a situational PG.

[TheGoldStandard]

Can't give up on Joseph but it's going to take actual minutes during the season for him to get better overall. He can work on his game during the summer but he needs continuity with the 1st or 2nd unit in order to get chemistry. We can't continue to go with PG by committee and then not use a single one of them in the playoffs for meaningful minutes. I know a lot of people believe in Joseph but the Spurs need to believe in him when the time comes and not just bench him when he struggles or take the ball out of his hands.

[spursince#99]

His points are valid though. Cojo needs to work hard if he wants to be legit backup and more than just a situational PG.

[Russ]

Wonder if our next move is will be dictated by Howard going to H town.

Yes. (Just like everybody else in the league.)


They need both to BE HONEST, they need a backup PG and it showed in the finals.

Don't forget about that ugly duckling Nando De Colo.

[Blackjack]

Been doing pretty well tbh..my knowledge is growing and got to watch a crazy Spurs run this year.

Well, that's, a good thing. So long as you've got, well, a White Russian, and a coffee can, man.

[Baam]

Pelicans want Asik for Ryan Anderson, they're gonna have a good team if this goes through...

[Baam]

Holiday
Gordon
Evans
Davis
Asik

Theyd only lack a true SF...

[cjw]

why would you even put bonner in that conversation

It's a joke (sarcasm is hard to get across on a keyboard)... Howard got frustrated each time Bonner or Baynes were on him in the playoffs because he thinks they're playground scrubs, to the point where he threw his hissy fit and got tossed.

[mystargtr34]

Bueno! Still ain't seen a home game live since the Alamodome.

How are you sir? Its been a while.

[Robz4000]

Ryan Anderson chokes as hard as Bonner in the playoffs; Houston wouldn't be getting much better, if at all. Asik on the Pelicans would be scary though. That team along with the Blazers would give the Spurs heaps of trouble if they managed to sneak into the playoffs.

[Spurs Brazil]

@WojYahooNBA
Al-Farouq Aminu has agreed to a one-year, $3.7 million deal with New Orleans, league source tells Y!

[timtonymanu]

Damn, that's a cheap pickup.

[manufan10]

:lol Alex Kennedy doesn't want to let this Dwight Howard saga end.

[SpursRock20]

@WojYahooNBA
Al-Farouq Aminu has agreed to a one-year, $3.7 million deal with New Orleans, league source tells Y!
Damnit Spurs.

[Blackjack]

How are you sir? Its been a while.

Yeah, it has. Doin well, still stop by to check up on y'all from time-to-time. Really wanna get the blog rolling again, just don't have the time.

Hell, I don't even know whose trolls are whose and who half the hell of the newer posters are here. Not sure if the posters are gettin shittier, or if the new trollin is just to give the shittiest post possible.

One thing's for sure, I've found myself having to sift through a lot of shit, and ain't nobody got time for that.

[mystargtr34]

Howard + Harden + Parsons is probably moves the Rockets at the top of the second tier behind SA and OKC imo. Whether they move into the top tier depends on who they get at the PF spot.. im not too concerned if its Josh Smith since he is similar to Dwight (low IQ, monkeyball, primadonna, cant shoot etc).

I heard a rumour about LMA which i dont think has much substance but if they did pull that off then Spurs fans can collectively start to worry.. although both Howard and LMA prefer a slow grind it out style which completely goes against what makes the Rockets tough to beat with Harden.

Should be interesting.

:lol Lakers.

[Baam]

Shelburne and Kennedy saying it's not official yet, would be hilarious if he changed his mind.

[Sean Cagney]

Yes. (Just like everybody else in the league.)



Don't forget about that ugly duckling Nando De Colo.

He is still on the team?:lol

[robert1886]

Matty did a solid job on Dwight for small stretches in the first round tbh. You watch basketball?

To think that bonner would be our go to matchup with Duncan on the bench..NO...The reason bonner did good against him was because he was beyond pissed off with his team sucking the whole series. Losing your cool can do that just saying.

[mystargtr34]

Yeah, it has. Doin well, still stop by to check up on y'all from time-to-time. Really wanna get the blog rolling again, just don't have the time.

Hell, I don't even know whose trolls are whose and who half the hell of the newer posters are here. Not sure if the posters are gettin shittier, or if the new trollin is just to give the shittiest post possible.

One thing's for sure, I've found myself having to sift through a lot of shit, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Yeah i hear you, i enjoyed the writing cameo gig you gave me :lol.. just found it hard to find time at that point with uni exams and now working 60 hours a week 2000 km from home in a mining town. Barely get time to come on here anymore.. my post count has been in the 7'000s for almost two years now iirc. a bit like yourself. Still come on regularly to read though.

Keep in touch !

[Blackjack]

Yeah i hear you, i enjoyed the writing cameo gig you gave me :lol.. just found it hard to find time at that point with uni exams and now working 60 hours a week 2000 km from home in a mining town. Barely get time to come on here anymore.. my post count has been in the 7'000s for almost two years now iirc. a bit like yourself. Still come on regularly to read though.

Keep in touch !

Absolutely!

Feel ya on the work weeks. Work over 12hrs a days 6 days a week, and the family's waiting when I get home. Doesn't leave a whole lot of time for my Spurs and ST.

But the 'Jack still lurks . . .

[loveforthegame]

@WojYahooNBA
Al-Farouq Aminu has agreed to a one-year, $3.7 million deal with New Orleans, league source tells Y!

Hell of a deal for NO.

[TheGoldStandard]

Hell of a deal for NO.

Ugh, very good deal.. New Orleans is being smart with there signings. Good team in the works.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol People giving up on a 21yo who got his first meaningful NBA mins in the playoffs.

No shit - anyone who isn't happy with the way CoJo improved this past year is pretty stupid. Especially when you consider how bad he was at times during his first year. There is a tremendous amount of upside with him and I see no reason to get someone else to do the job. None.

[RD2191]

Cojo needs in game playing time to get better. He has a high ceiling imo.

[TheGoldStandard]

Cojo needs in game playing time to get better. He has a high ceiling imo.

This.. he needs minutes and then he needs to be out there on the floor during the Playoffs.

[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

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[TheGoldStandard]

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Milwaukee still dances in mediocrity with a touch of OJ

[Mel_13]

Exactly.

I feel safe in predicting that there will be contracts signed this summer that make Splitter's deal look like a bargain.

Mayo for 3/24. That's one.

[TheGoldStandard]

Mayo for 3/24. That's one.

What are you talking about Splitter is a defensive juggernaut and he's a pick n roll genius. He's going to improve his getting blocked by the rim this year then his stats will go up

[manufan10]

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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Jose Calderon has agreed to a four year deal with Dallas, agent Mark Bartelstein says.

[manufan10]

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[manufan10]

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[TheGoldStandard]

Mavs just signing whoever will speak to them.

[jyra]

So the Mavs aren't going to tank. Interesting..

[TheGoldStandard]

So the Mavs aren't going to tank. Interesting..

Yeah, they are but not intentionally.

[Mel_13]

That's two.

[TheGoldStandard]

353326128410279936

Eww, that's a crappy deal.

[DesignatedT]

Lol

[Mugen]

:lol 4yrs/29 million for Calderon

[Mugen]

His points are valid though. Cojo needs to work hard if he wants to be legit backup and more than just a situational PG.

Joseph has shown nothing but a great work ethic and willingness to improve during his time here.

I think he has a very solid season next year as Tony's backup.

[manufan10]

And there were some GNSF/NASF that thought the Spurs could obtain Calderon. :lol

[Mel_13]

:lol 4yrs/29 million for Calderon

Cubes starting to give players that Dampier treatment. Splitter's probably kicking himself. Could have gotten at least 12M per out if the Mavs.

[Spursfanfromafar]

For Spurs, it's better to have Howard going to Rockets than to Lakers because it removes a team with cap space.

Right now these are the team with more than the MLE in cap sapce:
Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Milwaukee, Orlando, Philadelphia and Sacramento.

I really hope Spurs will pick the cap space + room exception option. I feel it's now a buyers market.

With Milwaukee opting to sign Mayo (and loaded with other SFs/Stretch Forwards - Mbah a Moute, Ilyasova, Daniels), Orlando, Philadelphia, Sacramento (and even Detroit) in rebuilding mode; Dallas already having Marion & Carter; Cleveland drafting Bennett already..

I think Atlanta is the only contender with the Spurs for Kirilenko if we consider that only cap space having teams are going to contend for him. IMO.

[TheGoldStandard]

Joseph has shown nothing but a great work ethic and willingness to improve during his time here.

I think he has a very solid season next year as Tony's backup.

He just needs minutes.

[manufan10]

I'm sticking with Wojo on this, but Kennedy, Adande, and now Broussard keep pimping this:

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[Mugen]

Cubes starting give players that Dampier treatment. Splitter's probably kicking himself. Could have gotten at least 12M per out if the Mavs.

One Dampier down for Cubes. I'm thinking Bynum is in line for the next handout.

[Mel_13]

One Dampier down for Cubes. I'm thinking Bynum is in line for the next handout.

Blew up a championship team for the salary flexibility to grossly overpay Jose Calderon, with more to come. Priceless.

[DesignatedT]

:lmao this is too much.

[Mel_13]

If Howard goes back to the Lakers now, it will be as Kobe's bitch.

[Mugen]

Blew up a championship team for the salary flexibility to grossly overpay Jose Calderon, with more to come. Priceless.

And now he's going to sell Dirk on being able to bring LeBron or Melo over next offseason.

If I were Dirk, I'd demand a trade to a competent organization like the Bobcats tbh. :lol

[manufan10]

Houston fans on Twitter are hilarious.

:cry Quit calling Howard a diva! :cry

[Nathan89]

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[manufan10]

Yeah, for all the praise that Cuban gets, he's horribly mismanaged the Mavericks after the '11 championship. Spurs fans bitch about the Spurs all the time, but holy cow the Spurs have never been that horrible.

[TheGoldStandard]

And now he's going to sell Dirk on being able to bring LeBron or Melo over next offseason.

If I were Dirk, I'd demand a trade to a competent organization like the Bobcats tbh. :lol

They got Al Jefferson

[Mel_13]

And now he's going to sell Dirk on being able to bring LeBron or Melo over next offseason.

If I were Dirk, I'd demand a trade to a competent organization like the Bobcats tbh. :lol

:lol

[DesignatedT]

Dirk should come play with Duncan for two years.

[loveforthegame]

Dallas. :lol

Who's next Cuban?

[objective]

That Calderon deal . . . damn.

Spurs fans upset at Splitter's deal need to chew on that awhile. Splitter was a big man in a league desperate for quality bigs, and received a market deal.

Calderon will be a 32 year old slow no-defense player in a league that's flush with point guards. Paying him that much now is murdering the rest of Dirk's career. And it's sad.

[Mugen]

Dwight welching on Houston to come back to the Lakers would be priceless tbh.

:lol If he thought last season was bad, he's in for a rude awakening with the next 4yrs as Kobe's personal shoeshine boy.

[mystargtr34]

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Damn :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Dallas. :lol

Who's next Cuban?

Bynum and Dalembert are coming up

[freetiago]

Aminu just got a 1 year 3.4 mil deal from the Pelicans
Spurs could have easily offered him more

[L.I.T]

Looks like Mitch Inceptioned Howard on that flight.

[manufan10]

It shouldn't be a surprise about Howard though. He did the exact same thing to the Magic before they traded him. The guy is an attention whore, diva, drama queen.

[marinoman]

I'm sticking with Wojo on this, but Kennedy, Adande, and now Broussard keep pimping this:

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great now howard is 50-50 we're back where we started

this is what the nba fans get for not appreciating tim duncan, this lebron/howard diva bullshit, we'll see even more of this in years to come

[ducks]

watch him now go to gs