Real Women

[desflood]

Victoria's Secret is that nobody over size 6 can fit into her stuff :lol

[SpursWoman]

I'll take a good look at her and myself and ask her what she thinks we should/could do about it.


Oh, this is where it gets even better. I asked her this very question and she told me she was going to start throwing up everything she ate so she could get skinny like the other girl so he'd like her instead.

Kinda gives you warm fuzzies, doesn't it?


I'm just glad she told me that first before she actually tried something crazy like that....she had no clue that it could kill her and no unrealistic, rude jackass on the planet was worth something like that.

All of these Dr. Spock, politically correct platitudes look good in print....but it's all bullshit.

[Jekka]

Oh, this is where it gets even better. I asked her this very question and she told me she was going to start throwing up everything she ate so she could get skinny like the other girl so he'd like her instead.

Kinda gives you warm fuzzies, doesn't it?


I'm just glad she told me that first before she actually tried something like that.

All of this Dr. Spock, politically correct garbage looks good in print....but it's all bullshit.

I'm glad she said something before she tried it, too. Give your daughter a hug for me, I've been there. Learning the hard way to stop yourself from those kinds of behaviors is scary to say the least.

[Shelly]

Damn. I'm glad she told you also.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, poor Zak. One of the nicest guys I've ever met and somehow the women of the forum always tend to jump on him.

I know your heart is in the right place big guy.

[travis2]

Oh, this is where it gets even better. I asked her this very question and she told me she was going to start throwing up everything she ate so she could get skinny like the other girl so he'd like her instead.

Kinda gives you warm fuzzies, doesn't it?


I'm just glad she told me that first before she actually tried something crazy like that....she had no clue that it could kill her and no unrealistic, rude jackass on the planet was worth something like that.

All of these Dr. Spock, politically correct platitudes look good in print....but it's all bullshit.

Oh damn....:wow

*counting my blessings*

[bigzak25]

you are a living example of why it is so important to have open lines of communication with your children. they are going to go astray. have crazy thoughts. we gotta be there to push them down the right paths. :tu

[Shelly]

Dude, poor Zak. One of the nicest guys I've ever met and somehow the women of the forum always tend to jump on him.

I know your heart is in the right place big guy.

Nahh...Zak's cool. One of my favorite people on the forum and is a sweetheart off as well. Besides, he's handling his own even if we have to correct him on some things :lol

I asked for honesty and honesty is what I got.

[spurjur]

Last guy I dated dumped me for a Coors Light girl.

His loss.

[bigzak25]

it's all good manny, i like when women jump on me. :lmao

actually, these ladies have been pretty civil. :tu

but just so everyone knows, i am typing with my penis (that's why i rarely use capital letters) and the views may be slanted...:lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[SpursWoman]

you are a living example of why it is so important to have open lines of communication with your children. they are going to go astray. have crazy thoughts. we gotta be there to push them down the right paths. :tu



I hope so....that was scary shit, and definitely not something I want to find out after the fact.

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly, I don't know much about eating disorders. I've learned more, and I know the basics but I'm not very well versed on them.

But I do believe - and I emphasise this is my opinion and nothing more - that while men get much of the blame in regards to the pressure that is placed on women in regards of beauty, it is actually women that bear the brunt of the blame.

[SpursWoman]

Dude, poor Zak. One of the nicest guys I've ever met



I agree. :)




We're just having a civilized discussion. :angel

[violentkitten]

big women usually have big tits so they're fine in my book. the big cat hates a skinny no curves broad.

[samikeyp]

Its just the members of a big family having a discussion around the cyber-coffee table! Its all good.

[SWC Bonfire]

I asked for honesty and honesty is what I got.

Honestly, if women stayed in reasonable shape, dressed nice, had long hair and wore high heels just for men (or for themselves) and not to compete against or one-up other women, you would see a lot more married women doing those things. But you don't.

You don't have to look like a 10 all the time, but you shouldn't live in a gigantic sweatshirt 24/7/365 and have a haircut shorter than the beetles.

I'm sorry to hear about the problem that SW has with her daughter. That sucks. But she needs to know that words are just words, and anyone who dismisses her rudely wouldn't be worthy of her affection. But rejection generally has the opposite effect...

[SpursWoman]

it is actually women that bear the brunt of the blame.


You're right. If we all got in cahoots and let ourselves go and wore head-to-toe burlap, dyed our hair the same color and cut the same length, and gained no less than 40 pounds during childbirth equally...the world would be a much nicer place.

:)

[SpursWoman]

I'm sorry to hear about the problem that SW has with her daughter. That sucks. But she needs to know that words are just words, and anyone who dismisses her rudely wouldn't be worthy of her affection. But rejection generally has the opposite effect...


She knows, but the heart and the ego are extremely fragile...and what he told her is being backed up by just about everything she sees on TV. So it's like me against the world trying to teach her differently.

[spurschick]

But then I pose a question to those same women. How many of you have VS hanging in your closet or in your drawers? How many of you have supported what they have done with your money?

Honestly, I have lots - their bras fit the best, plain and simple. I don't resent VS for their advertising. They are obviously going after a certain market and they're very successful. There are other successful clothing companies like Talbot's and Chico's that go after different markets and advertise accordingly. I do think that some of the models that VS uses look way too skinny, but others have a little more meat and look healthy, i.e. Tyra Banks.

[MannyIsGod]

You're right. If we all got in cahoots and let ourselves go and wore head-to-toe burlap, dyed our hair the same color and cut the same length, and gained no less than 40 pounds during childbirth equally...the world would be a much nicer place.

:)
You know, the thing is women obsess about their looks far beyond the point of things males notice. And while yes, there are assholes out there (just as there are women who are supreme shallow bitches), most guys don't complain about the things that women think we are focused on.

Women dress and do the things the way they do a good deal of the time to impress other women or to meet standards they set for themselves. And hey, thats fine, but I hate to see men get blame for that.

Not a day goes by that I don't tell Jessica how gorgeous she is, and I've never once lied about it.

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly, I have lots - their bras fit the best, plain and simple. I don't resent VS for their advertising. They are obviously going after a certain market and they're very successful. There are other successful clothing companies like Talbot's and Chico's that go after different markets and advertise accordingly. I do think that some of the models that VS uses look way too skinny, but others have a little more meat and look healthy, i.e. Tyra Banks.:lol

Your opinion is void due to your marketing knowledge. You understand how it works.

I do know one thing, however. If I were a woman there is no way in hell I would buy anything or wear anything from them after I saw the manequin with ribs. Fuck that. But I digress, I don't want this turning into a Wal-Mart thread. :lol

[SWC Bonfire]

She knows, but the heart and the ego are extremely fragile...and what he told her is being backed up by just about everything she sees on TV. So it's like me against the world trying to teach her differently.

Eventually after getting your heart kicked the crap out of a few times you realize that you can either continue to deal with crappy people who are very attractive or find someone who is considerate and nice and still looks decent. I'm sure you can help steer her to the right decision.:tu

[whottt]

I'm sure it's already been said but...

I don't think it's all men wanting women to be thinner...I think that women are more responsible for it than men.

Don't get me...wrong, we don't want pigs...but I've never wanted a girl with washboard abs...that shit is all women there.

When talking about bodies, I think most guys like tits more than anything(real ones) and legs, and being overly thin doesn't exactly help those two attributes.

You look at the true sex icons of females, that are considered icons by men...none of them are thin girls...Marylin Monroe wasn't thin...Jennifer Lopez isn't thin.

Just because the media pushes some stereotype on you doesn't mean the men are the cause of it...most of the time the media is doing it they are trying to get the attention of women, trying to sell them something.

I know many times I have been with my girl and when we see an attractive woman who isn't thin...the first thing my girl says is that she's heavy and a little on the thick side or something like that...On top of that she's always on a diet, even though I tell her she doesn't need to do it...especially when she says her tits are too big...I am like, don't you dare.

Don't try and pass this off on the men...

What's next? You blame us because you no longer will get into a swimming pool after dating for 2 months, because you don't want to mess up your hair? I call bullshit.

It's all in the package...there is no set formula for what makes a beautiful woman...they come in all shapes and sizes. This drive for ultra thinness is primairly a female/media driven thing IMO. It's true that we don't want pigs...but I don't know any guy that get excited over a stick.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm one of those guys that used to be pretty judgmental when it came to looks.

Luckily I married a woman who was as gorgeous on the inside as she was on the outside, and since then I've learned a lot about what makes someone truly attractive.

But I remember what women go through to look good. Mrs. Chopper was a Ms. Hawaiian Tropic national finalist back in the day and her contest and pageant money helped us get through grad school. She still will worry about her looks, which shocks me because she still has a small tight body that most 20 year olds would envy.

I love curves though, and the older I get the more I appreciate a woman with a real figure. Every woman is physically made up different and that's what makes them so amazing.

The media does hype the tiny little bodies, and I can see why young kids buy into that. I did.

[Marcus Bryant]

Curves get my dick hard.

[SpursWoman]

It's ALL men's fault, whether it's intentional or they'd like to believe it or not. :lol

[travis2]

It's ALL men's fault, whether it's intentional or they'd like to believe it or not. :lol

I was waiting for that one to show up...:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Who is with me?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm with you MB. Every time I'm driving on a street with lots of turns I sport wood.

[SWC Bonfire]

You know, a slender woman can have "curves", and a large woman can be shaped like a large rectangle. A lot of people use "curvy" to mean overweight, but there are a lot of overweight women who don't have many curves-like a slender waist in proportion to their hips and chest.

[SpursWoman]

I was waiting for that one to show up...:lol



Seriously, there is always some guy that a woman wants either to get with, or keep away from another that he might just find more attractive than herself. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

:lol :lol


"If you use this product, you will be as beautifully perfect as this woman and not look so old/fat/ugly/scarred/mentally unstable....and you'll attract more MEN!"

:lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

You know, a slender woman can have "curves", and a large woman can be shaped like a large rectangle. A lot of people use "curvy" to mean overweight, but there are a lot of overweight women who don't have many curves-like a slender waist in proportion to their hips and chest.


Exactly.

My dick hates stick figures. He loves voluptuous women though.

[SWC Bonfire]

Well, they say it only takes a handfull, but I've got pretty big hands, so she better have some meat on her bones.

[travis2]

Seriously, there is always some guy that a woman wants either to get with, or keep away from another that he might just find more attractive than herself. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

:lol :lol


"If you use this product, you will be as beautifully perfect as this woman and not look so old/fat/ugly/scarred/mentally unstable....and you'll attract more MEN!"

:lmao

Ohhhhhh...so you admit that women are manipulative, selfish creatures, preying on the emotions and lusts of helpless young men in order to satisfy their own desires? Hmmmmmmmm? :lol

[whottt]

Ohhhhhh...so you admit that women are manipulative, selfish creatures, preying on the emotions and lusts of helpless young men in order to satisfy their own desires? Hmmmmmmmm? :lol


Well now that part is kind of our fault...if we liked ugly women they probably wouldn't be that way.

[Shelly]

I'm with you MB. Every time I'm driving on a street with lots of turns I sport wood.


Are you gonna meet me in Santa Fe? :eyebrows

Sshhh..don't let Jim know :lol

[SpursWoman]

Well now that part is kind of our fault...if we liked ugly women they probably wouldn't be that way.



So what do the ugly women do? Just take what they can get and be happy about it?

[whottt]

So what do the ugly women do? Just take what they can get and be happy about it?

The same thing poor/ugly men do?

[Guru of Nothing]

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[SpursWoman]

The same thing poor/ugly men do?


I don't know....I've never been a poor/ugly man. :)

[travis2]

I don't know....I've never been a poor/ugly man. :)

And I'm sure Chris is very happy to hear that...:lmao

*diving under the desk*

[SWC Bonfire]

No way, dude, the ancient Sumerians invented beer & were having sex with ugly women in Iraq thousands of years ago. :lol

[SpursWoman]

I don't know....I've never been a poor/ugly man. :)


But I've bought everything that Estee Lauder sells that they swear will make me look younger. :)

[Spurminator]

The Catch 22 of the whole issue is that, usually, people who feel unattractive are basing their opinions of themselves on what attractive people think of them. Almost everyone can find someone who will find them attractive... You just have to find your League.

I mean, if I go to the Playboy Mansion and come away with nothing, and I surmise that women are shallow because none of them would come home with me... am I not also shallow?

A lot of these girls with low self esteems might be a lot happier if they were going after the captain of the algebra team instead of the star quarterback... but they're not interested in the algebra nerd, because he's ugly and geeky. Same can be said for guys. It's another cycle.

[travis2]

A lot of these girls with low self esteems might be a lot happier if they were going after the captain of the algebra team instead of the star quarterback... but they're not interested in the algebra nerd, because he's ugly and geeky. Same can be said for guys. It's another cycle.

Hey...I resemble that remark... :nerd

[spurschick]

A lot of these girls with low self esteems might be a lot happier if they were going after the captain of the algebra team instead of the star quarterback... but they're not interested in the algebra nerd, because he's ugly and geeky.

Why can't the star quarterback also be the captain of the algebra team? And what rule book says that algebra nerds are ugly and geeky? I've dated some very attractive computer "nerds".

[Spurminator]

I'm just presenting a hypothetical... You can substitute choir boy for Algebra nerd if you like... The point I'm trying to make is that for every 100 guys in school, girls are usually only interested in impressing 10 of them.

[Spurminator]

You all knew guys like the ones I'm talking about... They're called "Just Friends" if I remember correctly... ;)

[AlamoSpursFan]

I don't know....I've never been a poor/ugly man. :)

It sucks.

:lol

[Extra Stout]

The same thing poor/ugly men do?But see, women want the attractive, wealthy men.

Hmm... seems kinda similar to what men do. Heh.

[AlamoSpursFan]

.Last guy I dated dumped me for a Coors Light girl. He said, "I'm sorry. I never wanted to hurt you. It's just that... when an opportunity like this comes along, you have to take it."

The Coors Light girls don't give me the urge to drink Coors Light.

If YOU were one of the Coors Light girls, I'd have one in my hand (and a fridge full, with more on the shopping list) right NOW!

:lol

[samikeyp]

You all knew guys like the ones I'm talking about... They're called "Just Friends" if I remember correctly...

ugh...the "just friends" card. World's biggest copout.

[SpursWoman]

But see, women want the attractive, wealthy men.

Hmm... seems kinda similar to what men do. Heh.



If by wealthy you mean able to help raise a family and help keep a roof over our heads, then yes, I guess we do have unrealistic standards. :)

[spurschick]

The point I'm trying to make is that for every 100 guys in school, girls are usually only interested in impressing 10 of them.

That's because girls that age get brainwashed on how they're supposed to look and who is going to be the best guy to date to get me in with the cool crowd. It's all very "Clueless."

[Spurminator]

That's because girls that age get brainwashed on ... who is going to be the best guy to date to get me in with the cool crowd.

I don't think that's an effect of brainwashing any more than guys are brainwashed by images of women...

[MannyIsGod]

Ugly guys dont' have a problem really. It is guys without any game that have problems. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

The point I'm trying to make is that for every 100 guys in school, girls are usually only interested in impressing 10 of them.


That's because girls that age get brainwashed on how they're supposed to look and who is going to be the best guy to date to get me in with the cool crowd. It's all very "Clueless."

Well even as adults I would say that's true. You can't be physically attracted to everyone. And having your preferences is okay. There has to be some level of lust involved in a relationship, so wanting to be with someone you find physically attractive isn't a bad thing. I know that (when I was single) that I wasn't even attracted to 5% of men. Is that a bad thing? No, it's just preference.

[Marcus Bryant]

When men get their dick hard over women and talk about female body features it is considered crude and rude.

When women do it, it's all in good fun, girls will be girls, etc.

Double standard? Fuck yeah.

[MannyIsGod]

Exactly! The problem arises when people get upset that the rest of the world doesn't find them in their 5%

[Spurminator]

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying girls SHOULD be attracted to the Geek Squad... I'm just saying they shouldn't complain about the standards of guys in general when they can't get the Prom King to ask them out.

[SpursWoman]

Exactly! The problem arises when people get upset that the rest of the world doesn't find them in their 5%


No, people get upset when waaaaay too much emphasis is put on that 1%. Only a slight difference, but one that's impossible to get away from. :)

[Kori Ellis]

Exactly! The problem arises when people get upset that the rest of the world doesn't find them in their 5%

Well that's life.

No one looks at their pool of prospects and treats them all equally even though they are more physically attracted to some and less physically attracted to others. Looks is just like any other trait or quality. If it's okay to weed out girls based on lack of brains, lack of sense of humor, etc ..then it's okay to weed out girls on lack of physical attractiveness. Sure, some of those traits might weigh more to you than others, but that's up to you.

When you are finding a spouse, you have to find someone that you can like, love, AND lust. So picking someone who you want to bang night and day is a good thing. If that person looks like Halle Berry than that's your preference. If she looks like Oprah, that's your preference too. Everyone is not going to find everyone attractive. Just like everyone isn't going to find everyone funny, etc.

[Extra Stout]

If an average-looking teenage guy finds he can't get the pretty girls to notice him, and gets a low self-image, here's what he can do about it:

1) work out -- get bigger
2) make a lot of money

Neither of those things are unhealthy, usually. In the meantime, guys don't have quite as much of their self-image wrapped up in their ability to attract the opposite sex, and men, as cruel as they can be to one another, don't treat one another nearly as bad as women do. If a pencil-necked geek or a fat slob has a well-stocked beer fridge or a plasma screen or is just generally a cool guy, other guys aren't going to be judging the way he looks. If a guy ever even mentions the appearance of another guy, positively or negatively, other guys will assume he is gay.

Now if an average-looking teenage girl finds she can't get the desirable men to notice her, and gets a low self-image, here's what she can do about it:

1) work out -- get thinner
2) get a boob job
3) develop an eating disorder
4) become a slut

Of those, only the first has the possibility of being a good idea, and then only to a point. Overexertion sometimes is part of an eating disorder. Plus, women have their self-image wrapped up in their physical attractiveness to men, and the women around them will never let them forget about it for a second. There is no safe haven. Women will rip each other apart. They judge every single detail of each other's appearance, head to toe, and criticize.

[Kori Ellis]

No, people get upset when waaaaay too much emphasis is put on that 1%. Only a slight difference, but one that's impossible to get away from. :)

Is it really that bad? Don't you watch commercials and see them full of "average" looking people?

[spurschick]

When men get their dick hard over women and talk about female body features it is considered crude and rude.

When women do it, it's all in good fun, girls will be girls, etc.

Double standard? Fuck yeah.

"That chick is hot - she's got a really nice body." = compliment
"That chick is hot - that's one fine piece of pussy." = crude and rude

[MannyIsGod]

No, people get upset when waaaaay too much emphasis is put on that 1%. Only a slight difference, but one that's impossible to get away from. :)
And as I said earlier, I'm of the opinion far more women do that to each other than men do it to women.

But I have nothing to back that up other than what I think and see.

[MannyIsGod]

Well that's life.

No one looks at their pool of prospects and treats them all equally even though they are more physically attracted to some and less physically attracted to others. Looks is just like any other trait or quality. If it's okay to weed out girls based on lack of brains, lack of sense of humor, etc ..then it's okay to weed out girls on lack of physical attractiveness. Sure, some of those traits might weigh more to you than others, but that's up to you.

When you are finding a spouse, you have to find someone that you can like, love, AND lust. So picking someone who you want to bang night and day is a good thing. If that person looks like Halle Berry than that's your preference. If she looks like Oprah, that's your preference too. Everyone is not going to find everyone attractive. Just like everyone isn't going to find everyone funny, etc.
I agree 100%

[whottt]

1) work out -- get thinner
2) get a boob job
3) develop an eating disorder
4) become a slut

Of those, only the first has the possibility of being a good idea, and then only to a point. .

I don't think that's totally accurate...I mean...a boob job isn't the end of the world...and neither is becoming a slut(within moderation).

[MannyIsGod]

Well, I think what is missed in much of this is that young girls who have problems with eating disorders and the like aren't the result of "boys don't think I'm cute" but other underlying issues.

[spurschick]

Is it really that bad? Don't you watch commercials and see them full of "average" looking people?

Do you remember when MTV The Real World first started? I remember when "average" looking people were on it. Now they're filling it up with all the hotties in the hopes that a lot of sex will ensue. Same thing with Fear Factor - I see quite a few fake boobs on that show. And isn't there a reality show (the Bachelorette?) where she is having to choose between the "hunks" and the "geeks"?

I know I just cited a few reality shows but, in reality, I don't watch reality shows because they obviously aren't real.

[bigzak25]

a woman just has to laugh at a man's lame jokes to get attention.

and a chic doesn't have to be a slut, just dressing like one works too.

[Jimcs50]

What is the question?

[3rdCoast]

Well, I think what is missed in much of this is that young girls who have problems with eating disorders and the like aren't the result of "boys don't think I'm cute" but other underlying issues.

Such as..

[SpursWoman]

Is it really that bad? Don't you watch commercials and see them full of "average" looking people?



Unless there is something particularly unusual about them or what they are wearing, I could rarely pick anyone out of a lineup....gorgeous, ugly or average. I had to become that way for my own sanity. :)

[MannyIsGod]

Such as..
Low self esteem for one? Just because someone is ugly doesn't mean they have to have a low self esteem.

[SpursWoman]

Well, I think what is missed in much of this is that young girls who have problems with eating disorders and the like aren't the result of "boys don't think I'm cute" but other underlying issues.



All it takes is one man to be a complete jackass to a grown woman to make her feel like crap about herself and do stupid things. You don't think it can do the same thing to a little girl?

It's not that complicated of an issue.

:lol

[3rdCoast]

Low self esteem for one? Just because someone is ugly doesn't mean they have to have a low self esteem.

I don't know man, I just wanted to see what you think.

All I know is that EVERY girl I knew when I was in high school had issues regarding anything and everything.

From checking their make up every 5 minutes to crying for basically no reason.

That and every girl would take things to the extreme.

One of my friends was dating a sophomore when he was a senior and she wouldnt give it up so he dumped her. So, in order to prove him wrong and get back at him she fucked 3 dudes at a party a week later.

Girls take shit to the extreme.

[Extra Stout]

Well, I think what is missed in much of this is that young girls who have problems with eating disorders and the like aren't the result of "boys don't think I'm cute" but other underlying issues.Indeed... in my single days there was more than one instance where I was interested in a girl wherein I found her a lot more attractive than she did herself.

This usually was the result of the influence of another female in her life.

[3rdCoast]

Girls problems are that they want to be desired by EVERYONE.

If a girl calls me ugly, ok cool. Next.

If a girl gets called ugly she contemplates killing her self.

[SpursWoman]

Indeed... in my single days there was more than one instance where I was interested in a girl wherein I found her a lot more attractive than she did herself.

This usually was the result of the influence of another female in her life.


How was it the result of the influence of another female?

[bigzak25]

So, in order to prove him wrong and get back at him she fucked 3 dudes at a party a week later.


wow, she really showed him, didn't she. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

All it takes is one man to be a complete jackass to a grown woman to make her feel like crap about herself and do stupid things. You don't think it can do the same thing to a little girl?

It's not that complicated of an issue.

:lol
I'm sure it can. But thats where teaching kids that they aren't going to be liked by everyone and that there are assholes out there is important.

All I know, is that if I cried everytime a girl didn't like me because of my looks, we'd all be living in Waterworld right now.

[Kori Ellis]

All I know, is that if I cried everytime a girl didn't like me because of my looks, we'd all be living in Waterworld right now.

:lmao Thanks Manny, you actually made me laugh out loud.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

I stand by my earlier statment that its not guys that are ugly that have problems, its the guys with no game.

[Extra Stout]

All it takes is one man to be a complete jackass to a grown woman to make her feel like crap about herself and do stupid things. You don't think it can do the same thing to a little girl?

It's not that complicated of an issue.

:lolI disagree that's it's some axiom that there can be this strong, confident, self-assured woman, who gets involved briefly with a complete jackass, and has her self-confidence completely destroyed.

Now if one is the kind of woman who identifies herself completely with the relationship in which she finds herself, then I can see how the whole house of cards can come crashing down rather easily.

I also disagree that the jackass must necessarily be male. I've seen women rip one another apart.

[Spurminator]

Yeah, women go crazy if some asshole says something about her appearance... But I wish they could just chalk it up to the guy being an asshole and not stress about it so much. At that point, why does she care what he thinks? My theory is that many women spend so much of their time ON their appearance that any insult to their appearance is taken much more seriously.

I had a friend who approached a woman at a bar and the first thing she said was "What kind of car do you drive?" His reaction was basically, "Whatever bitch," and he moved on. Women should react the same way.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol

I stand by my earlier statment that its not guys that are ugly that have problems, its the guys with no game.


I agree, it's one of those things that God put in the to make a balance in the world.

[SWC Bonfire]

:lol

I stand by my earlier statment that its not guys that are ugly that have problems, its the guys with no game.

True statement. It's all about how you project yourself. If you act confident around women, you are confident with women.

[bigzak25]

all a scorned chic has to do is call the 'asshole' guy a "little dick mutherfucker" and the mindfuck will be mutual.

[Extra Stout]

How was it the result of the influence of another female?

1) A girl thought she was "friends" with another girl, who was popular because she had money. Her "friend" always told her how unattractive she was.

2) A girl always was criticized about her appearance by her mother growing up.

[Marcus Bryant]

Indeed... in my single days there was more than one instance where I was interested in a girl wherein I found her a lot more attractive than she did herself.

This usually was the result of the influence of another female in her life.


....let's not also forget seeing a woman firsthand fighting herself because she likes having sex but she was brought up to believe that sex was dirty.

Oddest thing ever. Pretty scary too.

[SpursWoman]

all a scorned chic has to do is call the 'asshole' guy a "little dick mutherfucker" and the mindfuck will be mutual.


I'm not very comfortable with my 9 year old daughter using that kind of language.


:lol

[bigzak25]

touche SW, but it would be riot to see. :lol

[Shelly]

NEW TWIST TO THE DISCUSSION

I may be wrong but you certainly don't hear women doing this nearly as much as men do:

Why do a lot of men dump their wives that they've been married to for years for some trophy wife?

Hmmmm?

[SpursWoman]

touche SW, but it would be riot to see. :lol


And I sure as hell don't want her to have personal knowledge of that fact.... :wow :lol

[Horry For 3!]

I have a supermodel gf. :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

NEW TWIST TO THE DISCUSSION

I may be wrong but you certainly don't hear women doing this nearly as much as men do:

Why do a lot of men dump their wives that they've been married to for years for some trophy wife?

Hmmmm?



Because men decide that if they are going to be henpecked their pecker might as well be hitting something nicer.

[Extra Stout]

NEW TWIST TO THE DISCUSSION

I may be wrong but you certainly don't hear women doing this nearly as much as men do:

Why do a lot of men dump their wives that they've been married to for years for some trophy wife?

Hmmmm?Evolutionary psychology.

If I were king, such men would be blinded.

While I've heard instances where this conduct is understandable, it is NEVER excusable.

[Shelly]

Because men decide that if they are going to be henpecked their pecker might as well be hitting something nicer.

That's got nothing to do with it and you know it.

[Jekka]

Such as..

Self esteem usually triggers it - which can be the result of anything from a guy rejecting you to parental issues, to whatever - however, once you're in it long enough, most women find it ends up being a control issue. When that becomes the only thing in your life you feel like you can control is when it becomes most dangerous - and sometimes when you lose control of that is the only time the person actually realizes they need to fix it.

[SWC Bonfire]

NEW TWIST TO THE DISCUSSION

I may be wrong but you certainly don't hear women doing this nearly as much as men do:

Why do a lot of men dump their wives that they've been married to for years for some trophy wife?

Hmmmm?

I sincerely doubt that men file for divorce more often than women do. I think it's more 2/3 to 1/3. From the beginning of time, women have been the ones who kept relationships together, they're tired of it, and divorces are way up. I ain't saying it's fair, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

[spurschick]

God bless Demi Moore

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/guess_who/_group_photos/ashton_kutcher24.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

That's got nothing to do with it and you know it.


You'd be surprised.

[Shelly]

I sincerely doubt that men file for divorce more often than women do. I think it's more 2/3 to 1/3. From the beginning of time, women have been the ones who kept relationships together, they're tired of it, and divorces are way up. I ain't saying it's fair, I'm just calling a spade a spade.


I call BS. My dad used to belong to this raquetball club and a lot of the people he played with dumped their wives (these were men in their 50s) for someone younger.

[Shelly]

You'd be surprised.


Then I'm guess I'm naive because I don't believe that.

[Kori Ellis]

My dad used to belong to this raquetball club and a lot of the people he played with dumped their wives (these were men in their 50s) for someone younger.

Because those men are shallow.

But believe me, there's a lot of shallow women who would gladly dump their aging, sagging old husband for a younger version do. And if you are asking why less women do it -- $$$$$$$.

[SWC Bonfire]

I would have to say that men who play at raquetball clubs are in the minority of the population.

[Horry For 3!]

I call BS. My dad used to belong to this raquetball club and a lot of the people he played with dumped their wives (these were men in their 50s) for someone younger.
I don't know bout that because mostly like 30 - 40 women like me....and i'm 20 :lol

[bigzak25]

Why do a lot of men dump their wives that they've been married to for years for some trophy wife?


People get divorced all the time for various reasons.

But why would a man get a trophy wife as a replacement?

Because he can, I imagine. :lol

[Shelly]

Because those men are shallow.

But believe me, there's a lot of shallow women who would gladly dump their aging, sagging old husband for a younger version do. And if you are asking why less women do it -- $$$$$$$.


Yeah, I guess you're right. This was So CA.

When my dad was here, he and I were drinking some margaritas at the bar at the corner restaurant. Neither of us wear a wedding ring so I was wondering if people thought were a couple. I don't know if I look enough like him anymore for people to tell I was his daughter..:lol

[Shelly]

I would have to say that men who play at raquetball clubs are in the minority of the population.

Not in the 80s.

[Spurminator]

Really the only way to give a fair answer to that question is if you know whether or not men more often cheat on their wives than women on their husbands... If it's about equal, then I would say Kori is dead on.

[Extra Stout]

I sincerely doubt that men file for divorce more often than women do. I think it's more 2/3 to 1/3. From the beginning of time, women have been the ones who kept relationships together, they're tired of it, and divorces are way up. I ain't saying it's fair, I'm just calling a spade a spade.I may be overgeneralizing a bit, but I think the reason divorces are up is because women aren't dependent for survival on their husbands the way they once were. They leave because they can.

Often these days you have a husband that expects roles to be the way they were in his house growing up, with the wife waiting hand and foot on the husband and kids, even though these days she's probably working as many hours outside the home as he is. He expects her to defer to his judgment at all times, even though she's probably at least as educated and well-read as he is.

On the other hand, you also have cases where the unreasonable nagging wife expects the husband to change at her whim, and gets frustrated and leaves when she realizes men don't work that way.

And then of course, you have young Christians who want to screw each other real bad, so they get married for the exclusive purpose of getting laid "legally" even though they have no business getting married.

In each of these cases, the woman is no longer trapped in the relationship.

[bigzak25]

10 to 1 says most women think a man who cheats is an asshole while the woman who cheats had a reason.

[SpursWoman]

10 to 1 says most women think a man who cheats is an asshole while the woman who cheats had a reason.

No, they are both assholes and deserve to be left in the dirt penniless. :)

[SWC Bonfire]

I may be overgeneralizing a bit, but I think the reason divorces are up is because women aren't dependent for survival on their husbands the way they once were. They leave because they can.

Often these days you have a husband that expects roles to be the way they were in his house growing up, with the wife waiting hand and foot on the husband and kids, even though these days she's probably working as many hours outside the home as he is. He expects her to defer to his judgment at all times, even though she's probably at least as educated and well-read as he is.

On the other hand, you also have cases where the unreasonable nagging wife expects the husband to change at her whim, and gets frustrated and leaves when she realizes men don't work that way.

And then of course, you have young Christians who want to screw each other real bad, so they get married for the exclusive purpose of getting laid "legally" even though they have no business getting married.

In each of these cases, the woman is no longer trapped in the relationship.

I can agree with that asessment.

Either way, there aren't a whole lot of compelling arguments FOR marriage anymore. Legally, you would never sign a contract with such horrible terms, which is why emotions have to play such a strong part.

[bigzak25]

No, they are both assholes and deserve to be left in the dirt penniless. :)



you make me proud like tonto. :tu

[spurschick]

Top selling men's magazines:
1. Playboy
2. Maxim
3. FHM

Top selling women's magazines:
1. In Style
2. Cosmo
3. Vogue

[Guru of Nothing]

Either way, there aren't a whole lot of compelling arguments FOR marriage anymore.

Just like sports, negotiate a contract for a specified period of time. .... Hmmmmm.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurschick, you seem upset that men place so much value on a women's looks. Yet when we were at the AlamoDome celebration, you, Jekka, and RashoFan were going down the Spurs roster and naming which players that you guys would "hit". So, were you all basing that on personality? Because as far as I know, none of you know any of the Spurs. So I'd think you were basing it on looks.

I'm not meaning to call you out. But you are coming across as a little judgemental in this thread when guys post pictures of hot chicks and say they want to "hit" it or do other things that base women solely on looks.

Weren't you three women doing the same thing?

[1Parker1]

Top selling men's magazines:
1. Playboy
2. Maxim
3. FHM

Top selling women's magazines:
1. In Style
2. Cosmo
3. Vogue


:lol Excellent Point Spurschick. I think that's the best conclusion to this topic.

[SWC Bonfire]

I doubt Playboy is even in the top 10 of men's magazines. There is a fetching young lady on the cover this month, though, with lots of "curves". :lol


Just like sports, negotiate a contract for a specified period of time. .... Hmmmmm.

I think most of those contracts don't last longer than an hour or so...:lol

[Guru of Nothing]

I think most of those contracts don't last longer than an hour or so...:lol

The equivalent of an NBA 10-day contract.

[Shelly]

Well, I have to admit that we get Maxim, FHM and Stuff but only because they are always offereing free subscriptions. In fact, I just noticed that Maxim is in my name :oops :lol

[timvp]

:lol @ this thread. It is quickly becoming the best thread in club history. It's like the woman of the forum finally got fed up with the 23,432,234 "I'd Hit It" threads and are getting revenge.



I think the guys are getting a raw deal in this thread. The truth is, girls are just as picky as guys ... if not moreso. No female on the planet thinks 100% of guys are worth getting to know. In fact, most guys will go for a larger percentage of the population than women. Women know what they want and don't deviate as much as guys do.

I really think that girls are actually more guilty of what they are complaining about in this thread. At least guys are usually consistent. If there is a girl that guys find ugly and/or annoying, she could achieve whatever she can in life and guys will still feel the same way. Most of them wouldn't change their opinion of the girl if she become a millionaire or was the first lady or walked on the moon. Guys will stick with their first impression.

Now on the other hand, if there's some guy who girls wouldn't give the time of day to ... and suddenly he becomes rich or famous, it's suddenly "OMG he's sooooooooooooooooooo hot OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 *swoooooooon*". It's still the same guy that wasn't given the time of day, but because he achieved something, suddenly he's wanted. It doesn't matter if that guy is ugly, fat, short, balding or what have you. Girls will go after him.

Oh and I find it funny that people think that Dove started this ad to do anything other than make money. There's a freaking 400 post thread about it in a Spurs forum. Obviously they did it to gain attention and it's working. Believe me, if in their trial runs the ad hurt sales, they would have scrapped it faster than it took the anorexic girl they hired to replace the "real women" to eat their grape for dinner.

What women need to understand is they are fighting each other. A woman's biggest enemy is another woman. Guys don't care enough. Plus the hardest critic on any girl is there self. Every girl on earth goes through stages where they think they are ugly or fat or whatever. I've never met a girl who thought they were pretty 24/7.

Learn to like yourself and then others will follow.

:smokin

[Kori Ellis]

Well those she listed are not the top selling magazines overall. She listed the top selling ones that would be considered "men's" magazines and "women's" magazines, I guess.

As far as I know, the top selling magazines overall are:

1. Readers Digest
2. TV Guide
3. Better Homes and Gardens
4. National Geographic
5. Good Housekeeping

[spurschick]

Spurschick, you seem upset that men place so much value on a women's looks. Yet when we were at the AlamoDome celebration, you, Jekka, and RashoFan were going down the Spurs roster and naming which players that you guys would "hit". So, were you all basing that on personality? Because as far as I know, none of you know any of the Spurs. So I'd think you were basing it on looks.

I'm not meaning to call you out. But you are coming across as a little judgemental in this thread when guys post pictures of hot chicks and say they want to "hit" it or do other things that base women solely on looks.

Weren't you three women doing the same thing?

Obviously, I have a big, fat sig of a guy I think is hot. :lol From what I've seen of Manu, he seems like a nice guy... but for all I know he could be a complete ass. I know the guy can certainly play basketball.

I already said that I have absolutely no problem with guys thinking women are hot and saying so. I do, however, take offense to them referring to them as "bitches" or "pussy" - and I'm talking about any woman, whether she be a supermodel or an "average" Dove model. Men are men and, while they may appreciate all women and love their wives, girlfriends, etc., they aren't made of wood and will always find someone on the cover of Maxim attractive.

Obviously I had a bad experience with a guy who flat out admitted that he was dumping me for a hot chick, so yes, I'm a bit judgemental. Sue me.

[spurschick]

Well those she listed are not the top selling magazines overall. She listed the top selling ones that would be considered "men's" magazines and "women's" magazines, I guess.

I didn't make up my list - it was according to amazon.com.

[Kori Ellis]

I didn't make up my list - it was according to amazon.com.

Yeah I realize that, but none of those magazines are the top selling magazines overall.

Here's the top selling magazines. There's two AARP magazines ahead of those five I listed.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/directories/toptens/cons_mag.jsp

[1Parker1]

10 to 1 says most women think a man who cheats is an asshole while the woman who cheats had a reason.

No way, cheaters deserve whatever they have coming, regardless of whether they're male or female. There's no excuse for it, especially if you're married and cheat. (**cough Kobe Bryant)

[whottt]

Top selling men's magazines:
1. Playboy
2. Maxim
3. FHM

Top selling women's magazines:
1. In Style
2. Cosmo
3. Vogue


And which magazines have the more emaciated looking super model types on the covers?

Kinda like fashion shows...those aren't meant to impress men.

[SWC Bonfire]

Obviously I had a bad experience with a guy who flat out admitted that he was dumping me for a hot chick, so yes, I'm a bit judgemental. Sue me.

Well, it's better he treated you badly now than after 10 yrs with 2 kids and a house and car payment. Good riddance.

[Spurminator]

I didn't make up my list - it was according to amazon.com.

That's subscriptions purchased via the Internet. If you look at a list of actual circulations, those are not the top three magazines among men. Sports Illustrated beats them all.

[Spurminator]

Cosmo has by far the most airbrushed women of any magazine... Playboy comes close, but Cosmo even managed to make Gwyneth Paltrow look like a double D.

[3rdCoast]

"Bitch" and "Pussy" are just words

[spurschick]

Fine... sorry if I offended the men of this forum. Men are great, we women just bring all the bullshit on ourselves. It's all our fault. Continue your discussion...

[Jekka]

"Bitch" and "Pussy" are just words

So are "misogynistic" and "pig".

[bigzak25]

Men are great, we women just bring all the bullshit on ourselves. It's all our fault.



true....:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

Fine... sorry if I offended the men of this forum. Men are great, we women just bring all the bullshit on ourselves. It's all our fault. Continue your discussion...

:rolleyes

That's an oversensitive, extreme answer.

Why can't you continue the conversation in the adult manner that everyone else has?

[3rdCoast]

Men just wanna fuck and women just want cash.

It balances out. You gimme that pussy and I will buy you a pair of shoes.

Seriously though, everyone is different. Some guys want women just for their looks and others really want true love.

[3rdCoast]

So are "misogynistic" and "pig".

95% of guys dont care what anyone calls them.

The 5% that do are most likely gay.

[Shelly]

:lol @ this thread. It is quickly becoming the best thread in club history. It's like the woman of the forum finally got fed up with the 23,432,234 "I'd Hit It" threads and are getting revenge.



I think the guys are getting a raw deal in this thread. The truth is, girls are just as picky as guys ... if not moreso. No female on the planet thinks 100% of guys are worth getting to know. In fact, most guys will go for a larger percentage of the population than women. Women know what they want and don't deviate as much as guys do.

I really think that girls are actually more guilty of what they are complaining about in this thread. At least guys are usually consistent. If there is a girl that guys find ugly and/or annoying, she could achieve whatever she can in life and guys will still feel the same way. Most of them wouldn't change their opinion of the girl if she become a millionaire or was the first lady or walked on the moon. Guys will stick with their first impression.

Now on the other hand, if there's some guy who girls wouldn't give the time of day to ... and suddenly he becomes rich or famous, it's suddenly "OMG he's sooooooooooooooooooo hot OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 *swoooooooon*". It's still the same guy that wasn't given the time of day, but because he achieved something, suddenly he's wanted. It doesn't matter if that guy is ugly, fat, short, balding or what have you. Girls will go after him.

Oh and I find it funny that people think that Dove started this ad to do anything other than make money. There's a freaking 400 post thread about it in a Spurs forum. Obviously they did it to gain attention and it's working. Believe me, if in their trial runs the ad hurt sales, they would have scrapped it faster than it took the anorexic girl they hired to replace the "real women" to eat their grape for dinner.

What women need to understand is they are fighting each other. A woman's biggest enemy is another woman. Guys don't care enough. Plus the hardest critic on any girl is there self. Every girl on earth goes through stages where they think they are ugly or fat or whatever. I've never met a girl who thought they were pretty 24/7.

Learn to like yourself and then others will follow.

:smokin

No, I really did want to find out if people found this ad offensive as some of the people in the media did.

Yeah, it got a little off track, but I have stated many times in this thread that it was not meant to be a 'man bashing' thread. I asked for honest answers and I got them.

The I'd hit posts don't bother me. If they did, I certainly wouldn't be hanging out in a forum that's mostly men..

[Spurminator]

Who is Dove?

[Kori Ellis]

95% of guys dont care what anyone calls them.

The 5% that do are most likely gay.

More the point is that there are very few threads here calling women "bitches" and "pussy". That's not SpursChick's issue, even though she now says that's her main problem. In the early pages of this thread, she was complaining about the "Man Commandments" thread (which had nothing of the sort) and she was also saying that men base everything on looks, blah, blah.

The fact is that if some men base everything on looks, so do some women. And it's every single person's right to determine what qualities are important to them. I know that if LJ was ugly, no matter how much I liked his personality, charm and intelligence .. I wouldn't have married him.

[bigzak25]

95% of guys dont care what anyone calls them.

The 5% that do are most likely gay.



but what if someone called you a cocksucker? quite the dilemma. :lmao

[samikeyp]

There's a freaking 400 post thread about it in a Spurs forum

now there is! :)

edit: dammit! Too late! :spin

[1Parker1]

I really think that girls are actually more guilty of what they are complaining about in this thread. At least guys are usually consistent. If there is a girl that guys find ugly and/or annoying, she could achieve whatever she can in life and guys will still feel the same way. Most of them wouldn't change their opinion of the girl if she become a millionaire or was the first lady or walked on the moon. Guys will stick with their first impression.
:smokin

Oh really? Well, what if they girl was some ordinary, average looking girl, who just happened to be about 100 pounds overweight. What if she then went on a diet or whatever, achieved her ideal weight and got the body of Angelina Jolie......you're saying guys would still stick with their first impression of her now? Even though her personality didn't change, her intelligence didn't change, just her appearance.

I agree that women are just as guilty of it as men are. I even admitted so earlier and said that I too judge guys by their looks the first time I see them. I don't expect guys to look like Brad Pitt or whatever, but I'll be honest and say that I've never looked twice at a guy who was say 5'2, or a guy who weighed 400 pounds, or a guy who's extremely skinny with big glasses or whatever. I know that's superficial of me and I don't blame guys , I blame a lot of that on conditioning that I've gotten ever since I was a kid from Tv, Movies, and ads that bombard us (and a tiny part of it is blamed by my own superficiality).

On the other hand, things such as intelligence and personality must also factor in. See? That's the difference. When I was younger and in high school or junior high, I didn't see this. Hence the constant depression that a lot of young girls, such as SW's daughter, are faced with.

And sure Dove is obviously trying to make some money off their campaign---they are a business and this is corporate America. I just think that along with that aspect they are trying to sell something more---a new ideology that teaches women to accept what they are---and of course use Dove products in the process! Obviously they have a lot of critics who are against it, yet I still give them credit for trying to do something that sets them apart from the typical norms of society.

[timvp]

:depressed

See, women are ruthless.

:cry

[3rdCoast]

but what if someone called you a cocksucker? quite the dilemma. :lmao


I have been called a lot worse than that by guys and girls but I don't care.

Maybe it is just me, but I have never lost sleep or thought twice about when a girl or guy called me a name. I simply don't care.

"Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

[SpursWoman]

Well, it's better he treated you badly now than after 10 yrs with 2 kids and a house and car payment. Good riddance.


Oh, you mean like what happened to me? Exactly. That's kind of creepy. :wow

[Kori Ellis]

but I'll be honest and say that I've never looked twice at a guy who was say 5'2, or a guy who weighed 400 pounds, or a guy who's extremely skinny with big glasses or whatever. I know that's superficial of me and I don't blame guys , I blame a lot of that on conditioning that I've gotten ever since I was a kid from Tv, Movies, and ads that bombard us (and a tiny part of it is blamed by my own superficiality).

But see, it's not about Movies, TV, ads, etc. It's about personal preference. And that's okay. It's okay to want a certain type of looking partner, the same as it's okay to want someone who is funny, or someone who is ambitious, etc. They are just traits that make you find someone attractive. If everybody thought everybody was good looking, then every person might as well look the same. We aren't frickin robots, we are human. And it's okay to have likes and dislikes no matter if someone else perceives them as "superficial".

[timvp]

I agree that women are just as guilty of it as men are. I even admitted so earlier and said that I too judge guys by their looks the first time I see them. I don't expect guys to look like Brad Pitt or whatever, but I'll be honest and say that I've never looked twice at a guy who was say 5'2, or a guy who weighed 400 pounds, or a guy who's extremely skinny with big glasses or whatever.

You do realize that Manu and Tony are two of the skinniest males alive, right?

:smokin


On the other hand, things such as intelligence and personality must also factor in. See?

What is Tony Parker's IQ? I don't know. But seeing as he went to a "sports" high school and didn't go to college, he could very well be really stupid.



And sure Dove is obviously trying to make some money off their campaign---they are a business and this is corporate America. I just think that along with that aspect they are trying to sell something more---a new ideology that teaches women to accept what they are---and of course use Dove products in the process! Obviously they have a lot of critics who are against it, yet I still give them credit for trying to do something that sets them apart from the typical norms of society.

Money is the bottomline. They are a business. Trying to make you believe they are doing something for the greater good is just part of the advertisement. Believe me, if they put 80 pound models in their ads tomorrow and they started selling more, they'd make the switch.

[SWC Bonfire]

Oh, you mean like what happened to me? Exactly. That's kind of creepy. :wow

No specific references were intended. It's just good that she cut her dead weight early on, and can go find someone more worthy of her attention. :tu

[Shelly]

Oh really? Well, what if they girl was some ordinary, average looking girl, who just happened to be about 100 pounds overweight. What if she then went on a diet or whatever, achieved her ideal weight and got the body of Angelina Jolie......you're saying guys would still stick with their first impression of her now? Even though her personality didn't change, her intelligence didn't change, just her appearance.

Wasn't that an episode of Love Boat? :lol

But you do make a good point

[3rdCoast]

But see, it's not about Movies, TV, ads, etc. It's about personal preference. And that's okay. It's okay to want a certain type of looking partner, the same as it's okay to want someone who is funny, or someone who is ambitious, etc. They are just traits that make you find someone attractive. If everybody thought everybody was good looking, then every person might as well look the same. We aren't frickin robots, we are human. And it's okay to have likes and dislikes no matter if someone else perceives them as "superficial".

Right on.

[bigzak25]

but I'll be honest and say that I've never looked twice at a guy who was say 5'2, or a guy who weighed 400 pounds




dayum, you dissed me and mouse in one line... :depressed

[Shelly]

dayum, you dissed me and mouse in one line... :depressed


you're 5'2"?

[whottt]

I will say this...I am all for these adds, whatever women need to do to improve their self esteem...but I can live without seeing 250lbers in hiphuggers(or whatever they call them now) and half shirts...I mean there are just certain body types that can't pull off certain looks...and it's disastrous to try it.

That shit needs to stop.

[3rdCoast]

dayum, you dissed me and mouse in one line... :depressed

:lol I spit my beer out on that one

[1Parker1]

But see, it's not about Movies, TV, ads, etc. It's about personal preference.

Yes, but my point was that my "personal preferences" are shaped by what I've seen on the so called "ideal looking person" that is on TV, movies, ads, etc. That's what most of our measuring stick is. What judgement do you base it on if some guy is too fat? or too skinny? or too ugly? Sure some of it may be personal preference or whatever, but I think a lot is just subconscious comparisons.

[Shelly]

I will say this...I am all for these adds whatever women need to do to improve their self esteem...but I can live without seeing 250lbers in hiphuggers(or whatever they call them now) and half shirts...I mean there are just certain body types that can't pull off certain looks...

That shit needs to stop.

Agree, but I also don't think it's right to make fun of ads or magazines that are geared towards bigger women. A lot of people make fun of Lane Bryant.

[JoeChalupa]

Originally Posted by 1Parker1
but I'll be honest and say that I've never looked twice at a guy who was say 5'2, or a guy who weighed 400 pounds

Is that because you're hooked after the first look!?

[3rdCoast]

Agree, but I also don't think it's right to make fun of ads or magazines that are geared towards bigger women. A lot of people make fun of Lane Bryant.

And Catherines

[Shelly]

I have been called a lot worse than that by guys and girls but I don't care.

Maybe it is just me, but I have never lost sleep or thought twice about when a girl or guy called me a name. I simply don't care.

"Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

Well, judging from your previous posts before you became 'new and improved' you probably deserved it. :lol

I keed.

[1Parker1]

dayum, you dissed me and mouse in one line... :depressed


:oops ummm.....someone highjacked my computer and typed that........

[Extra Stout]

The fact is that if some men base everything on looks, so do some women. And it's every single person's right to determine what qualities are important to them. I know that if LJ was ugly, no matter how much I liked his personality, charm and intelligence .. I wouldn't have married him.
Ten years ago, when I was 6'1", 165, I didn't have too many women that wanted to talk to me, as friends or otherwise.

Two and a half years and thirty pounds of muscle later, all of a sudden I was getting a looooooooooooooot of attention.

So, basically, you're right.

[Shelly]

And Catherines


What's that?

[Kori Ellis]

Yes, but my point was that my "personal preferences" are shaped by what I've seen on the so called "ideal looking person" that is on TV, movies, ads, etc.

They are?

I'm not so easily influenced. You name guys like Mel Gibson Sexiest Man Alive everyday of the week and I'll still think they are ugly.



What judgement do you base it on if some guy is too fat? or too skinny? or too ugly? Sure some of it may be personal preference or whatever, but I think a lot is just subconscious comparisons.

To me, it's all personal preference. I don't really give a fuck who anyone else thinks is good looking.

[SpursWoman]

What's that?


Another clothing store like Lane Bryant. :fro

[Spurminator]

Two and a half years and thirty pounds of muscle later, all of a sudden I was getting a looooooooooooooot of attention.

All I had to add was a wedding ring... :lol

Actually, I think the main benefit of the ring as it partains to me is that without it, I look 16.

[Jekka]

But see, it's not about Movies, TV, ads, etc. It's about personal preference.

So you don't think that the same people we are conditioned to want to look like have any effect on who we are in turn attracted to at all?

[3rdCoast]

What's that?

CATHERINES - Exclusively in Plus, Petite Plus and Extended Plus Sizes

http://catherines.charmingshoppes.com/home.asp

[3rdCoast]

So you don't think that the same people we are conditioned to want to look like have any effect on who we are in turn attracted to at all?

No. There are not really an abundance of black women on tv(except for BET and UPN) and that is the type of women I am attracted to.

We see the "perfect women" supossedly being a blonde skinny white girl a lot and I am not attracted to white girls all that much.

[1Parker1]

You do realize that Manu and Tony are two of the skinniest males alive, right?

:smokin

Yea...but they don't wear Coke glasses...and they aren't that skinny! At least they're strong enough to run back and forth for 48 minutes and play basketball.... :smokin

What is Tony Parker's IQ? I don't know. But seeing as he went to a "sports" high school and didn't go to college, he could very well be really stupid.

Intelligence isn't neccesarily measured by your level of education or whether or not you went to college...come on TimVp, I thought you were better than that. Parker could be a complete dumbass, but when I say I love Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili I'm just saying that superficially...it's not like I know them in person. If I knew them in real life, I could be attracted to them that's all.


Money is the bottomline. They are a business. Trying to make you believe they are doing something for the greater good is just part of the advertisement. Believe me, if they put 80 pound models in their ads tomorrow and they started selling more, they'd make the switch.

Well....they could sell a lot more if they advertised with 60 regular models...look at sales of Aveeno and Jergen's and Johnson and Johnson....I just think that you are looking at one half of the campaign. Sure money is a big part of it........it's a business waht did you expect? That they'd be ok going bankrupt? I am giving them props for doing something that not many other beauty product companies have done that's all.

[Kori Ellis]

So you don't think that the same people we are conditioned to want to look like have any effect on who we are in turn attracted to at all?

I guess if someone is relatively weak-minded and easily influenced by the media, then you succumb to it. But I actually look at people and figure out if I think they are attractive. Guys like JFK Jr. (RIP), Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, Ben Affleck, whatever can be shoved down our throats in the media night and day and if I look at their face and it's not appealing to me, then no matter how many people say it -- it's still not appealing.

It's like Manu Ginobili (who many women here think is gorgeous). I look at his face and find nothing attractive about it.

[1Parker1]

ok, i'm off of work.........i'll be back tommorow :)

[1Parker1]

I guess if someone is relatively weak-minded and easily influenced by the media, then you succumb to it.

Are you calling me weak-minded?

[3rdCoast]

I guess if someone is relatively weak-minded and easily influenced by the media, then you succumb to it. But I actually look at people and figure out if I think they are attractive. Guys like JFK Jr. (RIP), Tony Cruise, Mel Gibson, Ben Affleck, whatever can be shoved down our throats in the media night and day and if I look at their face and it's not appealing to me, then no matter how many people say it -- it's still not appealing.

It's like Manu Ginobili (who many women here think is gorgeous). I look at his face and find nothing attractive about it.

I look at Jessica Simpson, who a lot of guys say is hot, and I do not really think she is hot.

I would do her for a multitude of reasons, but me being attracted to her is not at the top of that list.

[Kori Ellis]

Are you calling me weak-minded?

If the media has decided who you think is good looking, then I guess so.

But I don't think that's the case.

[Spurminator]

So you don't think that the same people we are conditioned to want to look like have any effect on who we are in turn attracted to at all?

Are you conditioned because you watch, or do you watch because you're conditioned?

Woah...

[Shelly]

I look at Jessica Simpson, who a lot of guys say is hot, and I do not really think she is hot.

I would do her for a multitude of reasons, but me being attracted to her is not at the top of that list.

Jessica Simpson has been around for years. No one was calling her hot until she lost weight that she didn't need to lose in the first place.

[Spurminator]

No one was calling her hot until she lost weight that she didn't need to lose in the first place.

Yeah, but she wasn't 18 yet either, so we were probably just watching what we said... :lol

[SWC Bonfire]

Jessica Simpson has been around for years. No one was calling her hot until she lost weight that she didn't need to lose in the first place.

No one was calling her hot because she was like 15.

[MannyIsGod]

"Do I listen to Pop music because I'm miserable, or am I miserable because I listen to Pop music?"

http://www.cineclub.de/images/2000/high_fidelity_1.jpg

[3rdCoast]

Jessica Simpson has been around for years. No one was calling her hot until she lost weight that she didn't need to lose in the first place.


Maybe She wasn't being called hot because guys did not find her "average" look and weight hot??

[whottt]

The ultimate truth in all of this, like many things in life, can be found in Gilligan's Island...


Who was the more popular chick on that show?

Maryann? The imperfect girl next door type with the sweet personality...

Or Ginger? The Cosomopolitan cover girl type?


Maryann recived more mail than anyone else on that show...including Gilligan.

Try a poll in this forum and see who wins it...Maryann will win it every time, at least with the men.

So back to the original point...women have a certain idea of what makes a woman pretty...and men have also have an idea...and the two are more different than people realize. It's not all about their weight.

That is all.

[bigzak25]

it's the caveman thing when you are looking for a mate...it's not tv, and it's not magazines.

for the most part? i think it comes down to fertility and virility.

the most basic insinct of survival.

that's why strong, healthy, and in shape are so attractive to the opposite sex.

then your sensible thought process kicks in and you think about if this newfound person can make you happy in your life.

[tlongII]

Jessica Simpson has been around for years. No one was calling her hot until she lost weight that she didn't need to lose in the first place.


She needed to lose that weight.

[JoeChalupa]

To me women are like shopping in a bakery.
They come in all shapes, colors and sizes but in the end they're all just bread and I like to butter them all.

[MannyIsGod]

I think cultural standards (media defined in ours) do play a role in establishing what people like. It is more complicated than just not liking a certain movie star etc. You can go to each culture and there are different things they find attractive. For example, in some African cultures, saggier breasts are what is considred attractive while in Weastern societies the opposite is usually the case.

However, by the same token, I think the people in said culture go a long way torwards defining what is displayed by their media, so it is a kind of chicken/egg scenairo as Spurminator pointed out.

[timvp]

it's the caveman thing when you are looking for a mate...it's not tv, and it's not magazines.

for the most part? i think it comes down to fertility and virility.

the most basic insinct of survival.

that's why strong, healthy, and in shape are so attractive to the opposite sex.

then your sensible thought process kicks in and you think about if this newfound person can make you happy in your life.

:tu


Kori hates caveman theories, but they're true.

[Shelly]

Yeah, but she wasn't 18 yet either, so we were probably just watching what we said... :lol


She lost most of the weight for Dukes of Hazzard.

[MannyIsGod]

Shit, I forgot to mention that biology probably plays as big a role if not bigger than culture in defining what you are attracted to.

[timvp]

For example, in some African cultures, breasts are what is considred attractive while in Weastern societies the opposite is usually the case.

:huh

Come again.

[MannyIsGod]

Some African socities prefer saggier breasts than Western cultures. Thats not very debatable.

[whottt]

I think cultural standards (media defined in ours) do play a role in establishing what people like. .

That's less true in America than just about any other country on earth...

[3rdCoast]

:huh

Come again.

I don't get that either.

What guys or cultures do not find breasts attractive?

[Shelly]

:huh

Come again.

I think he's talking about a society of Wheaties eaters???

[timvp]

Some African socities prefer saggier breasts than Western cultures. Thats not very debatable.

Well yeah, you forgot the word "saggier" the first time you said it.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

Ahh, it all makes sense.

[Spurminator]

She lost most of the weight for Dukes of Hazzard.

But is she really considered "hotter" now than she was a year ago? Not by any guys I know. The only difference as I see it is she dresses a little sluttier these days.

[3rdCoast]

But is she really considered "hotter" now than she was a year ago? Not by any guys I know. The only difference as I see it is she dresses a little sluttier these days.

Guys like it when "bitches" dress slutty.

[MannyIsGod]

I want to know when the commercials with people who have really bad acne are coming. I feel that the world is biased torwards people with clear skin.

[whottt]

But is she really considered "hotter" now than she was a year ago? Not by any guys I know. The only difference as I see it is she dresses a little sluttier these days.


She's definitely hotter now....but I didn't notice her losing any weight.

[timvp]

I was trying to figure out what the opposite of breasts were. Death, plague and famine came to mind.

:smokin

[MannyIsGod]

I was trying to figure out what the opposite of breasts were. Death, plague and famine came to mind.

:smokin
:lmao

I love RC Cola just as much as the next guy.

[Jimcs50]

Why can't we just have our own tastes and leave it at that?

Why are we arguing?

[SWC Bonfire]

Why can't we just have our own tastes and leave it at that?

Why are we arguing?

So that we can make it to 500 posts before 5:00PM.

[bigzak25]

:lol @ RC.

[Shelly]

Why can't we just have our own tastes and leave it at that?

Why are we arguing?


But look! Not one Fuck You in any of the posts! That HAS to be a record!

And because Whottttttttttttttt has joined the discussion. We know he likes to argue :lol

[bigzak25]

But look! Not one Fuck You in any of the posts! That HAS to be a record!



tpark and sequ have been awfully quiet...:lol

[Ginofan]

She's definitely hotter now....but I didn't notice her losing any weight.


She shed some clothes and a few pounds and now she's probably the hottest star right now. Just goes to show you what you have to do to make it big in Hollywood I guess.

[SpursWoman]

My biggest problem with any of this (aside from my issues with my daughter, of course) is all the pictures and ogling of all of these young women make me feel fucking old and no amount of sit-ups are going to make that change. I refuse to age gracefully.

So you all can kiss my big, fat white ass! :flipoff :flipoff :lmao

[SWC Bonfire]

I think to be civilized, we should take heed the advice of a true gentleman, knighted for his elegant prose:


This anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hon.

[1369]

My biggest problem with any of this (aside from my issues with my daughter, of course) is all the pictures and ogling of all of these young women make me feel fucking old and no amount of sit-ups are going to make that change. I refuse to age gracefully.

So you all can kiss my big, fat white ass! :flipoff :flipoff :lmao

You're not old SW.

Now Shelly, she's old.

[PizzaFace]

I want to know when the commercials with people who have really bad acne are coming. I feel that the world is biased torwards people with clear skin.

You can say that again!!

[CavsSuperFan]

Did anyone see the Krispy Crème calendar? (http://www.6v6gt.com/humor/KrispyCreme1.jpg)

Some women’s groups were offended that these lovely ladies were called...you know...Heavy...

Why can't we just have our own tastes and leave it at that?

I like to heat my Krispy Cremes in the microwave for 20 seconds before eating...

[adrienne]

The only problem I have with this campaign is that it doesn't address body image problems with the other end of the spectrum....at 12, hearing "REAL women have curves" would have crushed me! Going into middle school I MAY have hit 85 pounds. I was a stick, and would have killed for "curves". While "thin is in", there is pressure from the other side as well.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Ok, I had lunch today at Taco Cabana, and the girl in front of me had enough hair on her chin that a lot of high school guys who try to grow goatees but can't would have been jealous of her.

I'm supportive of women being themselves and not being pushed to conform to some hollywood image, but seriously, I have to draw the line at facial hair.

Wax, razor, laser, belt sander, whatever. . .get that fur off your face.


Oh and while you're removing hair there's another area that looks good neatly trimmed as well.

[bigzak25]

You can say that again!!



:lol

[ShoogarBear]

Look, the topic has pretty much been hashed out (we're on six pages now?) and it seems clear that everyone is on the same page.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Shelly]

You're not old SW.

Now Shelly, she's old.

Damn, I was gonna give SW a high five, and you had to go and knock down my self-esteem

:depressed







:lol

[whottt]

She shed some clothes and a few pounds and now she's probably the hottest star right now. Just goes to show you what you have to do to make it big in Hollywood I guess.

Well....if you are trying to be an entertainer you have to be entertaining, if you want to make it big. Since her singing(definitely) and her acting(I doubt) weren't good enough to pull it off...she had to do something. She's found something works for her...more power to her. She looks great. It works for her, it didn't for Julie Andrews...such is life.

[Spurminator]

Julie Andrews was hot in Mary Poppins. No lie... I saw it a couple of months ago, and I must admit I found her quite sexy.

[whottt]

Julie Andrews was hot in Mary Poppins. No lie... I saw it a couple of months ago, and I must admit I found her quite sexy.

The point is that when she tried to turn into a sex pot, later in her career, she couldn't pull it off...while the wholesome image worked for her...plus she could sing and act.

It's funny...I bet Jessica Simpson would give anything to be able to sing and act...while Julie...probably wishes she could have pulled off that car wash scene.

[Guru of Nothing]

It's five o'clock. Time to go ogle the gym bitches, I mean women.

[Spurminator]

The point is that when she tried to turn into a sex pot, later in her career, she couldn't pull it off

I didn't know about that phase of her career...

Any rental suggestions? ;)

[Ginofan]

Well....if you are trying to be an entertainer you have to be entertaining, if you want to make it big. Since her singing(definitely) and her acting(I doubt) weren't good enough to pull it off...she had to do something. She's found something works for her...more power to her. She looks great. It works for her, it didn't for Julie Andrews...such is life.

Actually I thought her singing skills were great...but that's just my opinion.

[tlongII]

Personally I believe America has a lot more people that are needlessly overweight than too thin.

[Guru of Nothing]

Julie Andrews was hot in Mary Poppins. No lie... I saw it a couple of months ago, and I must admit I found her quite sexy.

What did you think of her in Victor, Victoria?

[ChumpDumper]

What did you think of her in Victor, Victoria?Or S.O.B.?

[whottt]

I didn't know about that phase of her career...

Any rental suggestions? ;)

SOB...she takes her top off.

[Spurminator]

Actually I thought her singing skills were great...but that's just my opinion.

I think she used to have a decent singing voice before she started trying to cram 20 notes into each syllable.

[ObiwanGinobili]

What about Rachael Ray? She's no supermodel but she's a pretty perfect type woman, pettite and she's got meat on her bones.

My husband has a thing for Racheal Ray. If we had a big screen telly I think he might hump it during 30 MInute Meals or$40 a Day. And he must thingk I'm deaf since EVERY time she's on TV he has to say "wow, she's really hot".. "damn she is just so cute".... "i wonder if she's single". :rolleyes

Of course I'
m really glad he never makes these comments about Jessica Simpson, Alba or Brittany. :tu
So lucky me.

[1369]

Damn, I was gonna give SW a high five, and you had to go and knock down my self-esteem

:depressed







:lol

Don't fret Shelly, you're still the resident hot soccer mom.

And of course, we know Jim would hit it.

And think, if you're weight loss works out and you don't shave for about three months, tlong would consider hitting it as well.

[whottt]

Actually I thought her singing skills were great...but that's just my opinion.


IMO, her singing is so bad...that's the reason I never noticed her before, because I'd flip her show if she was singing. Her looks are barely able to overcome her singing...but that's just my opinion.


She tries to be a soul singer or something...it sucks ass.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Agreed.

To be fair though, it works both ways. I don't see women bringing up Ray Romano or Tom Arnold when the topic of attractive men come up.

Lindsay looks horriible now. I hope hilary duff doesnt head down that path.


Ijust want to go on record as saying that I don't find either of these men attractive in the face. So, to say it another way, take away thier bodies - I'm not into waht they've got going on above the neck.

[OnlyOneGinobili]

Alright.. you need attraction, so looks is some what important, but a relationship will only last if there are one of two things... either good sex, or you and her connect on a different level.

[SWC Bonfire]

Ijust want to go on record as saying that I don't find either of these men attractive in the face. So, to say it another way, take away thier bodies - I'm not into waht they've got going on above the neck.

That sounds shallow and superficial. :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

:lol
if i'm shallow and superficial becasue I'm not attracted to an overall fugly person (tom arnold)..... then yes. I'm very shallow and superficial.
I'm attracted to guys who don't have the best bodies, who don't have classical bone structure........ but NOt guys who are FUGLY in face, body and personality.
:lol

[SWC Bonfire]

So there you have it, people. Tom Arnold was the best that Roseanne could get. Everyone wants the very best they can get, it's human nature.

At least y'all aren't Roseanne.:lol

See, things are looking up.

[ObiwanGinobili]

:vomit @ mere mention of Roseanne

[SWC Bonfire]

I'm not giving up on this till it hits 500... :lol

[TheDude]

You people talk about an attractive person, and I know you all have posted your pics on this site, so whos the most attractive person here?

[Shelly]

I'm not giving up on this till it hits 500... :lol

bingo!

[SWC Bonfire]

I'm out... the over/under for 8 AM Wed morning is 650 posts. :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

You people talk about an attractive person, and I know you all have posted your pics on this site, so whos the most attractive person here?

thats subjective.
depending on what each finds attractive for his/her own.
ie. I'm into a more "ethnic" look for both guys and gals.

But we can safely say that all the women here are HOTT. But we don't all fall into the same "category"= we are all different ages, sizes, backgrounds etc.

[whottt]

Shelly gets my vote...she's definitely got the Maryann thing working for her.

[TheDude]

Prove it that all women here are "HOTT", as you would say. Lets start with you.