Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[Atl Spur]

Murray will tighten up a lot of things once PATFO gets a hold of him. He plays as if he is the best player on the court that can get away with rec ball skills; pop will sic danny and kawhi on him for a little humbling in training camp. He'll be fine I truly believe:)

Kyle on the other hand still plays way too soft and passive! I need him to display some hunger / assertiveness while playing his game

[sasaint]

They can get a player with upside for him, but he's still in his rookie deal. If you have a guy on a rookie deal with some potential, that is a guy you hold on to, IMO. He's just 20. The tough aspect on him I guess is that his finishes were at the rim and that is not there for him in the same way in the NBA. Needs more of a PF game and plays like a Center I guess. But again, he's just 20 yrs old sooo young, Dijon's age basically.

Vonleh made one 3-ball and a couple of mid-range shots, I thought. You are right - his contract is great. But the Blazers seem to have a pretty crowded front court.

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Sucks there's no Bertrans or LJC

[raybies]

Murray
Well he had a tough game today. He showed improved decision making but his flaws were on full display tonight and that is poor FG% and turnovers. 3-13 from the field and 6 turnovers. He had good shots tonight he just didn't finish them. It's like R.C. said he needs to work on his finishing. I see that now. Too soon to day game 1 was a fluke but if he continues to miss at this rate, it'd be alarming. On a good note his three ball looked on point today.

What I'd like to see:

i'd like to see him more in the pick and roll and as a facilitator. More distribution and the occasional drive in the paint. The floaters were hit or miss tonight so less of these and reset the ball. Layups and open threes. And for his own good the occasional mid range j. He needs more discipline and education on shots that are the highest percentage and then he needs to focus on them.

As for turnovers, he just needs to make the simple play. Too many times he puts a little too much style on ball when he can just get it there. That's probably why Arci got some of his minutes in the fourth.

Can he do these things while maintaining his identity though? Is he just a playground type player that shoots inefficient shots and makes questionable passes?

Yeah, he definitely needs time and plenty of solid influences surrounding him. While most think Austin is best for him, I'm starting to think he needs to be around character players first to build a foundation, and that's with the big team. You don't want bad coaching or bad influences around this kid at all. Yes, he needs time but he also needs great coaching and leadership. He needs the Spurs culture.

[SAGirl]

Vonleh made one 3-ball and a couple of mid-range shots, I thought. You are right - his contract is great. But the Blazers seem to have a pretty crowded front court.
I could see it if they need help in another area but they already have pretty terrific guards.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Forbes, i think the spurs need to give this guy a shot to make the team in training camp. He's just a smart basketball player who can really shoot

Is he already signed for the upcoming season or not?

He's signed to a 1-year contract if I'm not mistaken.

[raybies]

Sucks there's no Bertrans or LJC

[sasaint]

Murray will tighten up a lot of things once PATFO gets a hold of him. He plays as if he is the best player on the court that can get away with rec ball skills; pop will sic danny and kawhi on him for a little humbling in training camp. He'll be fine I truly believe:)

Kyle on the other hand still plays way too soft and passive! I need him to display some hunger / assertiveness while playing his game

On a couple of plays, Vonleh backed him to the bucket with ease. Kyle is capable of being more assertive, however, and he showed a flash or two last season - especially boxing out and defensive boarding. He just needs to play that way consistently, which he hasn't so far.

[sasaint]

I could see it if they need help in another area but they already have pretty terrific guards.

I think they will be #4 in the West. They impressed me with the moves they made to recover from their massive defections last season, and they put the pieces together well and quickly. Stotts should have been Coach of the Year, IMHO.

[SAGirl]

On a couple of plays, Vonleh backed him to the bucket with ease. Kyle is capable of being more assertive, however, and he showed a flash or two last season - especially boxing out and defensive boarding. He just needs to play that way consistently, which he hasn't so far.
He only took 10 shots all game bc Kyle was involved in some heavy ball denial that caused shot clock violations. Once he got the ball though, Kyle got beat, once he gambled and it didn't pay off. The other he was backed down, but he didn't put much resistance either. In reality if Vonleh had gotten the ball enough he could have dominated for sure. He went at Cady too.

[spurraider21]

Murray took good shots many just rimming out. No complaints here.
except he's always been inefficient, even against NCAA competition. "just rimming out" has largely been the norm for him.

[raybies]

except he's always been inefficient, even against NCAA competition. "just rimming out" has largely been the norm for him.

He needs to get used to taking higher % shots period. Too much flash not enough substance. When he's hitting it looks good but when he's off it's low %. Look at his first game in Utah. It was layups. He couldn't get to the rim tonight so he shot mid range j's and floaters for the most part. Just needs to look at film and take some good counsel imo

edit: He missed some easy layups too so that added up. But yes they were good shots cause he was open they just are not good shots overall cause they can be inefficient if you're not on.

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except he's always been inefficient, even against NCAA competition. "just rimming out" has largely been the norm for him.

Dude says he is a hard working chip only worked with him a couple of days before these Gsmes
Says he and Chip will work a lot together

[Mr. Body]

Body strength will help him score inside, Chip will help him hit it outside, coaching will help his decisions. I ain't concerned.

[Darkwaters]

Sucks there's no Bertrans or LJC

I talked to Bertans again as we were leaving. He said hes hopeful to play on Tuesday's game against the Bulls. Saw Jean-Charles there too, but didn't get around to talking to him. Also talked with RC, Brent Barry, Arcidiacono and Ndoye. All very nice.

[LakerHater]

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[raybies]

I talked to Bertans again as we were leaving. He said hes hopeful to play on Tuesday's game against the Bulls. Saw Jean-Charles there too, but didn't get around to talking to him. Also talked with RC, Brent Barry, Arcidiacono and Ndoye. All very nice.

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[phxspurfan]

damn... 1-6 assist-to ratio. That spells trouble for his career.

[phxspurfan]

Forbes looked like he has a shot

[Darkwaters]

pictures or it didn't happen

You've never been to Summer League I'm guessing. You should go. If you really think I'm making this up then I already have my answer. People like Buddy Hield and Shabazz Napier are just hanging out in the stands between games. It's all very matter-of-fact and informal. Pretty incredible event to attend.

[raybies]

You've never been to Summer League I'm guessing. You should go. If you really think I'm making this up then I already have my answer. People like Buddy Hield and Shabazz Napier are just hanging out in the stands between games. It's all very matter-of-fact and informal. Pretty incredible event to attend.

I made a subtle attempt at a troll using one of the classic terminologies in this case. Yeah, but I would love to go.

[Kawhitstorm]

damn... 1-6 assist-to ratio. That spells trouble for his career.

Did people forget how shitty George Hill was in the Summer League despite being 22.:lol


Throughout the summer league Hill struggled with his shooting, making only 2 of 25 shots (8.0%), and one of six three-pointers (16.7%).

[Kawhitstorm]

They can get a player with upside for him, but he's still in his rookie deal. If you have a guy on a rookie deal with some potential, that is a guy you hold on to, IMO. He's just 20. The tough aspect on him I guess is that his finishes were at the rim and that is not there for him in the same way in the NBA. Needs more of a PF game and plays like a Center I guess. But again, he's just 20 yrs old sooo young, Dijon's age basically.

Vonleh was compared to Chris Bosh when he was drafted, he's supposed to be a PF.:lol

[SAGirl]

Vonleh was compared to Chris Bosh when he was drafted, he's supposed to be a PF.:lol
No Chris Bosh resemblance whatsoever. What impressed me is that he's that strong for a guy that young and he's very explosive. He's got definite "potential", but he allowed himself to get denied the ball by Kyle and he didn't go at Kyle enough. When he did he was successful, but it was only a couple of times. I think he's precisely the kind of guy that would have given everyone in the team problems. But that Portland team had very poor guard play. Napier is more like a chucker. Portland wasn't even doing that well b4 Napier got hit in the head. Other than a 3 Vonleh took I don't know what else he can do. It's not like he's going to be high usage. Oh yikes, 6 TO by Vonleh.

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One big problem is he has virtually no left hand at the rim which makes some shots difficult because he tries to make them right handed when left handed is the far better option. A mid range/ outside shot and left hand would make him a solid lottery quality pick.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Vonleh certainly has the physical tools, but he's not going to develop as a big man at Portland.

Things may turn out differently if he has high BBIQ big men team mates like Timmy or Pau to mentor him.

[r0drig0lac]

Sucks there's no Bertrans

[raybies]

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[raybies]

:lol at people saying Skal was a bust. He's out here stroking threes. He has a good skillset. Athletic and mobile and can stretch the floor.

[raybies]

I like some of the Kings players they drafted. Not sure about Papa but the other two were fine. Malachi and skal. Also this uthoff kid is interesting.

[GSH]

I talked to Bertans again as we were leaving. He said hes hopeful to play on Tuesday's game against the Bulls. Saw Jean-Charles there too, but didn't get around to talking to him. Also talked with RC, Brent Barry, Arcidiacono and Ndoye. All very nice.


Did you see the Chicago game a couple of nights ago? The one guy I had hoped the Spurs might be able to trade up for was Denzel Valentine. I have a buddy who's out there and says he looked very composed for a rookie, but his shot wasn't falling. I looked at the stats and holy shit - he went 4-16 and 0-9 from 3P. But he apparently did a lot of other things well. If you have a chance to talk to him, I'd like to hear what you think. I just have a feeling he's going to be one of those guys who is very solid, but may not get the attention. Perfect Spur.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Did you see the Chicago game a couple of nights ago? The one guy I had hoped the Spurs might be able to trade up for was Denzel Valentine. I have a buddy who's out there and says he looked very composed for a rookie, but his shot wasn't falling. I looked at the stats and holy shit - he went 4-16 and 0-9 from 3P. But he apparently did a lot of other things well. If you have a chance to talk to him, I'd like to hear what you think. I just have a feeling he's going to be one of those guys who is very solid, but may not get the attention. Perfect Spur.

A lot of the guys who have completed 4 years of college are looking composed at the moment. As the starting point guard for the Bucks' summer league team, Brogdon just had back-to-back games of 50%+ shooting (7/14 and 7/12) and 4-5 assists per game after an ordinary 9-point and 11-rebound first game. They are simply better prepared than those one-and-done guys.

On the other hand, it looked like Thon Maker just came back down to earth after his hot start of rebounding the ball in his first two outings.

[TheGoldStandard]

Saw Luke Walton pull Russell aside the other night and talk to him while they were cutting to a commercial or something.. You couldn't get much audio from it but it looked like he was talking to him about acting like you've been there.. helps with teammates trust or something.. Today's game with GS had him less show offy and more composed and then his interview after the game was tame..

[r0drig0lac]

A lot of the guys who have completed 4 years of college are looking composed at the moment. As the starting point guard for the Bucks' summer league team, Brogdon just had back-to-back games of 50%+ shooting (7/14 and 7/12) and 4-5 assists per game after an ordinary 9-point and 11-rebound first game. They are simply better prepared than those one-and-done guys.

On the other hand, it looked like Thon Maker just came back down to earth after his hot start of rebounding the ball in his first two outings.

or perhaps this is an anomaly

[cutewizard]

This man THON MAKER is making waves already,

too bad we coudnt get this guy.................

[DPG21920]

Patrick McCaw is looking solid so far - hope GS didn't get another good guard in the draft.

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Patrick McCaw is looking solid so far - hope GS didn't get another good guard in the draft.
He's impressed me too. Good offense and very good defender.

[GSH]

Patrick McCaw is looking solid so far - hope GS didn't get another good guard in the draft.


Yeah, especially a second-rounder that they bought for cash. They paid Milwaukee a little over $2M for the pick/rights, IIRC, and then signed the kid to a 2-year min-contract deal. With the Spurs being light at the 1 and 5 (as I see it), McCaw was one of the plays I was hoping they would make. When I saw him falling out of the first round, I really thought we might hear about them picking up somebody's early second-round pick for him. But noooooo.... the Warriors needed yet another guard.

I don't know if he'll work out or not, but the Dubs didn't screw around with partial guarantees, or team options. They signed him to a 2-year fully-guaranteed deal right away. GSW's FO is looking a lot like their team - young and agile. They have so many good, veteran players, and they needed to round out a roster on the cheap. I think they may have gotten themselves a bargain in the process.

[intlspurshk]

I hope GSW falls in love with veteran and waive this McCaw kid to open up a roster spot for veteran. I understand it's a Pipe dream though

[tav1]

Yeah, especially a second-rounder that they bought for cash. They paid Milwaukee a little over $2M for the pick/rights, IIRC, and then signed the kid to a 2-year min-contract deal. With the Spurs being light at the 1 and 5 (as I see it), McCaw was one of the plays I was hoping they would make. When I saw him falling out of the first round, I really thought we might hear about them picking up somebody's early second-round pick for him. But noooooo.... the Warriors needed yet another guard.

I don't know if he'll work out or not, but the Dubs didn't screw around with partial guarantees, or team options. They signed him to a 2-year fully-guaranteed deal right away. GSW's FO is looking a lot like their team - young and agile. They have so many good, veteran players, and they needed to round out a roster on the cheap. I think they may have gotten themselves a bargain in the process.

Really well said. The Warriors are excellent from top to bottom, from ownership down. I respect the hell out of them. And just as I've grown accustom to the Spurs making the most of everything they do, I now expect to see the Warriors have some victory each draft, free agency, summer league, and training camp.

[tholdren]

cady and murray are terrible, i am uncertain why kyle and simmons play.

[ceperez]

Really well said. The Warriors are excellent from top to bottom, from ownership down. I respect the hell out of them. And just as I've grown accustom to the Spurs making the most of everything they do, I now expect to see the Warriors have some victory each draft, free agency, summer league, and training camp.

With all the Spurs front office and coaching staff now in different teams, we can't expect the Spurs to be the only one with any smarts.

Those days are over.

[Spur|n|Austin]

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[Chinook]

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My guess is that as a first-rounder, his contract is easy -- as is the insurance agreement. Bertans has to worry about getting the exactly dollar amount taken care of, which might be affected by the order of signings.

Anyway, it's great news. I just hope LJC gets a lot of minutes. It's going to be hard to see him getting those if Anderson taking so many PF minutes and there already being a three-center rotation. I guess they can demote Forbes and move some others around, but I would rather not do that.

[ceperez]

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Finally... my expectations are pretty low this time.

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Finally... my expectations are pretty low this time.

My expectations are so low that I'm more excited about seeing Olivier Hanlan.

[Chinook]

My expectations are so low that I'm more excited about seeing Olivier Hanlan.

Was he on the roster for last game? I didn't see him play. Would love to see how he fits in the competition with Forbes and Arcidiacono. LJC is exciting in the very least because he's going to be a Spurs for at least two seasons. Have to see what he can do now that he's going to be developing on the team's dime.

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Becky mentions defense and rebounding but not talking about LJC's offense as an expected contribution is not encouraging

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Was he on the roster for last game? I didn't see him play. Would love to see how he fits in the competition with Forbes and Arcidiacono. LJC is exciting in the very least because he's going to be a Spurs for at least two seasons. Have to see what he can do now that he's going to be developing on the team's dime.

According to Jeff McDumbass, he was added to the roster before game 1, but he hasn't sniffed any time. He looked useful to me when he played against the Spurs in Utah. As bad as Simmons has been at running the point, I'm excited about anyone that can bring the ball up without dribbling it off his foot. :lol

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Becky mentions defense and rebounding but not talking about LJC's offense as an expected contribution is not encouraging

The Spurs don't need him to score points, they need him to rebound, block shots, not get lost and not foul excessively.

[Chinook]

Becky mentions defense and rebounding but not talking about LJC's offense as an expected contribution is not encouraging

With Gasol and Aldridge as offensive starters and Anderson as the current plan for PF with Bertans as the swing-forward, having a defense-first guy who can guard four positions is incredibly helpful.

People are wondering how the team can "match up" with the Triple Triples and their bouncer. Well, having a guy who can throw in to guard Klay, Durant, Iggy or Draymond for a few minutes is nice to have. Not that the team is counting on LJC being a rotation-caliber player right away. It's just that skill-set being proven at the NBA level would make him plenty useful.

[picnroll]

Don't agree. Spurs need three big men that can offer big man offense, now they only have two. What happens when Pop rests Gasol or the inevitable injury that takes one of the two out for a few games happens?

[Chinook]

According to Jeff McDumbass, he was added to the roster before game 1, but he hasn't sniffed any time. He looked useful to me when he played against the Spurs in Utah. As bad as Simmons has been at running the point, I'm excited about anyone that can bring the ball up without dribbling it off his foot. :lol

I mean, someone with Arcidiacono's poise and BBIQ along with Forbes' stroke would be a really nice prospect. It's possible that they are trying to give him a multi-year contract, which could explain why he's not signed and why they don't know about Bertans yet. Long shot, but I could understand it.

[Chinook]

Don't agree. Spurs need three big men that can offer big man offense, now they only have two. What happens when Pop rests Gasol or the inevitable injury that takes one of the two out for a few games happens?

How many team's have three bigs who can score at a high level? And how many of those teams have a top two like Gasol and Aldridge? Anyway, Anderson is likely going to be a PF, so you have to count his offense. There's no way anyone reasonable should be trying to dog on the sixth big for not being a scorer.

[Keepin' it real]

Don't agree. Spurs need three big men that can offer big man offense, now they only have two. What happens when Pop rests Gasol or the inevitable injury that takes one of the two out for a few games happens?

:wakeup

How many teams have three big men that can offer big man offense?

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I mean, someone with Arcidiacono's poise and BBIQ along with Forbes' stroke would be a really nice prospect. It's possible that they are trying to give him a multi-year contract, which could explain why he's not signed and why they don't know about Bertans yet. Long shot, but I could understand it.

Super duper long shot. Neither Archdiacono nor Forbes look like they're ready to be useful, and as athletic as Murray looks, I can't imagine that he has the poise to contribute, at least early on. Particularly considering how bad Simmons has looked, I'd really rather have guys that are solid over guys that could be really good in two or three years.

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Don't agree. Spurs need three big men that can offer big man offense, now they only have two. What happens when Pop rests Gasol or the inevitable injury that takes one of the two out for a few games happens?

When Pop rests Gasol the Spurs have the best scoring big in the entire league. Play goddamn defense and grab any rebounds and throw the ball back to Lamarcus.

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[sasaint]

My expectations are so low that I'm more excited about seeing Olivier Hanlan.

:lol Me, too!

[Chinook]

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Well, we won't see SAGirl for like two weeks...

I think this is for the best. I hope LJC starts along with Bertans eventually. I also hope Anderson stays with the team to give them some advice. No one can deny his BBIQ.

[GSH]

My guess is that as a first-rounder, his contract is easy -- as is the insurance agreement. Bertans has to worry about getting the exactly dollar amount taken care of, which might be affected by the order of signings.

Anyway, it's great news. I just hope LJC gets a lot of minutes. It's going to be hard to see him getting those if Anderson taking so many PF minutes and there already being a three-center rotation. I guess they can demote Forbes and move some others around, but I would rather not do that.


I thought his agent said that he wasn't playing until he had a contract? But I assume you're talking about insurance because he's playing without a signed contract?

For those who don't know, rookies can be paid as little as 80% of the scale, up to as much as 120% of the scale. So there really is a significant amount of variation in what the Spurs could wind up paying him. The Spurs could also renounce his rights, and not have to take up his rookie guaranteed contract. I assumed that's why his agent didn't want him to play until the contract was signed. If they get to have a look at him in SL before they commit, that's a big plus. This is one season when they really have to make salary dollars count.

Or does him playing tonight mean that the Spurs are taking up his contract no matter what?

[Keepin' it real]

Good job Kyle. The Spurs know they have a legit role player now.

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I'm not talking about elite big man offense. I'm talking about any big man offense. Last year Spurs had 5, Duncan, Aldrige, West, Diaw and Boban. This year they have two that can play inside and stretch the defense. I realize LJC was highly unlikely to be a third but that still leaves the Spurs critically short on interior offense. Next best on the team is Leonard's post ups.

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I know the Spurs don't read my posts, but I love it when it feels like they do.

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I'm not talking about elite big man offense. I'm talking about any big man offense. Last year Spurs had 5, Duncan, Aldrige, West, Diaw and Boban. This year they have two that can play inside and stretch the defense. I realize LJC was highly unlikely to be a third but that still leaves the Spurs critically short on interior offense. Next best on the team is Leonard's post ups.

Seems like they're going to have to make a move at some point, doesn't it?

[r0drig0lac]

Well, we won't see SAGirl for like two weeks...

I think this is for the best. I hope LJC starts along with Bertans eventually. I also hope Anderson stays with the team to give them some advice. No one can deny his BBIQ.

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[Chinook]

I thought his agent said that he wasn't playing until he had a contract? But I assume you're talking about insurance because he's playing without a signed contract?

I don't remember hearing anything for LJC's agent. But even so, with Tim waived, LJC's contract can be signed without issue.


For those who don't know, rookies can be paid as little as 80% of the scale, up to as much as 120% of the scale. So there really is a significant amount of variation in what the Spurs could wind up paying him.

Yeah, but not really. First, because again, players get 120 percent of the scale literally 99 percent of the time. Second, that "variation" pales in comparison to Bertans' possible range.


The Spurs could also renounce his rights, and not have to take up his rookie guaranteed contract. I assumed that's why his agent didn't want him to play until the contract was signed. If they get to have a look at him in SL before they commit, that's a big plus.

I can't stress enough how much this would hurt the team's reputation. Honestly, it would literally destroy any shred of credibility the organization had, especially internationally. You just don't do that. You just don't.

[Chinook]

I'm not talking about elite big man offense. I'm talking about any big man offense. Last year Spurs had 5, Duncan, Aldrige, West, Diaw and Boban. This year they have two that can play inside and stretch the defense. I realize LJC was highly unlikely to be a third but that still leaves the Spurs critically short on interior offense. Next best on the team is Leonard's post ups.

You bring up Leonard like his post game is an afterthought. And Anderson is definitely a post player. The issue is that offensive sixth bigs aren't even good at offense most of the time. That usually just means they suck at defense.

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I don't remember hearing anything for LJC's agent. But even so, with Tim waived, LJC's contract can be signed without issue.



Yeah, but not really. First, because again, players get 120 percent of the scale literally 99 percent of the time. Second, that "variation" pales in comparison to Bertans' possible range.



I can't stress enough how much this would hurt the team's reputation. Honestly, it would literally destroy any shred of credibility the organization had, especially internationally. You just don't do that. You just don't.

Yeah, I don't think the insurance issue has anything to do with the player or the NBA, but with the overseas team that owns their rights. That's how Murray managed to get coverage even before they signed him.

[look_at_g_shred]

Can you let Simmons go home too? :vomit:

[Chinook]

Yeah, I don't think the insurance issue has anything to do with the player or the NBA, but with the overseas team that owns their rights. That's how Murray managed to get coverage even before they signed him.

LJC is a free agent (hence why his coming over was certain despite people saying he wasn't ready), so it's not that. I do think it's a lot to do with the contract. I don't even think it's a visa issue, as I'm pretty sure he's been in the States for a while now. I think it has everything to do with him being able to ink his deal.

[TheGoldStandard]

Let's just get Bertans inked..

[Chinook]

Let's just get Bertans inked..

It's encouraging that it's not done yet. I'm not overly concerned with him playing in the summer league, though I'd love to see him. But him not being signed even though Duncan is waived suggests that he they might want to use cap space on something else. It's between him and Gasol for next in line at this point.

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LJC is a free agent (hence why his coming over was certain despite people saying he wasn't ready), so it's not that. I do think it's a lot to do with the contract. I don't even think it's a visa issue, as I'm pretty sure he's been in the States for a while now. I think it has everything to do with him being able to ink his deal.

Good point. His deal wasn't on any kind of scale, right?

[TheGoldStandard]

It's encouraging that it's not done yet. I'm not overly concerned with him playing in the summer league, though I'd love to see him. But him not being signed even though Duncan is waived suggests that he they might want to use cap space on something else. It's between him and Gasol for next in line at this point.

How much does that realistically give in space to make move with?

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Can you let Simmons go home too? :vomit:

Showcase him. Someone will want a guy who dunks and won't even care about the turnovers.

[Chinook]

Good point. His deal wasn't on any kind of scale, right?

It doesn't have to be, but it likely is still on the rookie-scale contract he would have gotten had he signed previously (with an increase due to the natural inflation of scale contracts). It's the least they could pay him.

[Chinook]

How much does that realistically give in space to make move with?

Almost none, really, though it depends on how much Tim will cost and how big Bertans' deal is. Could be enough to beat a min offer, and that would help them lock down some prospect to a three- or four-year deal.

[raybies]

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MILUUTINOV!!!

[SAGirl]

Well, we won't see SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524) for like two weeks...

I think this is for the best. I hope LJC starts along with Bertans eventually. I also hope Anderson stays with the team to give them some advice. No one can deny his BBIQ.
Noooooo!!!! Please say it isn't so. :lmao

:lol
Anyways, I had something clever to make a joke about myself and my fandom, but the site froze my post and I had to refresh and lost my joke. I can't recreate it the same, some of the originality is gone.

So I will skip the joke. I am glad that the Spurs saw what they wanted to see out of him. It will certainly give the Spurs a chance to evaluate the other two forwards and help them improve, as well as guys who may be training camp invites like Cady, Ndoye, etc. You have a good idea, I hope he stays to help them in practice and give advice. It's also a bonding experience with the younger team.

Although they should not be directly impacted by this, I think it will also give the Spurs a chance to evaluate the guards. The reason is, Kyle provides a stabilizing presence as a guy who knows the system and a pressure release valve, plus as Becky mentioned, him communicating helped others know what they were doing or where they needed to be or do. Without him out there, it puts a pressure on Simmons to step up as the veteran and maybe they want to see that as well.

Anyways, SL is still going to be fun to watch.
:flag:

[raybies]

I'm assuming they play next game, since the Spurs are taking it slow out of respect for Duncan. But the signings should take place tomorrow imo. Pau, then Bertans, than Dedmon. Then the rookies or Manu. In this order or close. My opinion on Milutinov is that the summer spurs bigs have been very underwhelming and the market for quality bigs is drying up, so he might be brought over this year. If he's here, then they must see it as a priority to get him on the court since summer league is about to be over unless we go on a run. I expect Bertans and Milutinov to play next game. But he might have to sign a contract. I have a vague understanding of the cap, but I think we would have to let someone go to fit him in, and in that case who would we let go? Wings like Simmons are easier to find then bigs like Milutinov. Thoughts please.

[DPG21920]

Almost none, really, though it depends on how much Tim will cost and how big Bertans' deal is. Could be enough to beat a min offer, and that would help them lock down some prospect to a three- or four-year deal.

Yup. That's why I'm trying to get verification on Tim's money. Jeff McDonald was no help - he told me it's fully guaranteed and "assumed" Tim was getting it all. I was trying to explain that it was only guaranteed because Tim opted in but now that he retired SA is under no obiligation to pay and that the money does matter.

[Keepin' it real]

753014627353493504

MILUUTINOV!!!

:tu

[TheGreatYacht]

What channel is the game on?

[raybies]

BULLS vs Spurs next!!! Should be a good game. Bulls have some good guards, and since Kyle isn't here anymore, I expect Baby Boy to get a lot more touches and try his hand at facilitating with Juice.

[raybies]

What channel is the game on?

ESPN 2 bro

[Obstructed_View]

ESPN 2 bro

ESPN

[TheGreatYacht]

Thanks :tu

[SAGirl]

I know the Spurs don't read my posts, but I love it when it feels like they do.
I saw a newsreport that he (together with Trey Lyles) were the best players in the Utah SL, and that he was second in VORP. He was clearly the best SL player despite a single scoring explosion by Simmons. Kyle is just steady. Anyways, I could gush about him too much and tire everyone out, but you were right he was too good to have been in SL after Utah... I think on the one hand, Spurs not being able to sign all their other rookies and have them play, made it worth it to give him minutes so that at least someone benefits from the experience. The other aspect is, as he stated in an interview, they had him work on very specific things. He aced that test.

[DPG21920]

WTH?? Still seeing SC on ESPN and not the game even though it's 7:15. Nothing on ESPN2 either.

[siraulo23]

game is just about to start

[raybies]

SAGirl you would have a pic honoring Duncan but with Kyle :lol

[Obstructed_View]

WTH?? Still seeing SC on ESPN and not the game even though it's 7:15. Nothing on ESPN2 either.

The other game ran long. It'll start in about three minutes.

[raybies]

WTH?? Still seeing SC on ESPN and not the game even though it's 7:15. Nothing on ESPN2 either.

I'm watching on WATCHESPN. just watch it there. It's on.

[Obstructed_View]

I saw a newsreport that he (together with Trey Lyles) were the best players in the Utah SL, and that he was second in VORP. He was clearly the best SL player despite a single scoring explosion by Simmons. Kyle is just steady. Anyways, I could gush about him too much and tire everyone out, but you were right he was too good to have been in SL after Utah... I think on the one hand, Spurs not being able to sign all their other rookies and have them play, made it worth it to give him minutes so that at least someone benefits from the experience. The other aspect is, as he stated in an interview, they had him work on very specific things. He aced that test.

We certainly aren't going to learn anything about him until he starts having to defend and score against NBA players.

[Obstructed_View]

There are only a couple of spots remaining, and they're important. Kyle's gone home, so there are minutes to earn.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls...dyin' time's here!

[raybies]

I'm watching on WATCHESPN. just watch it there. It's on.

Nvm lol, I'm drinking and of little help right now lol

[Darkwaters]

Nazr Mohammed is here at the Spurs SL game

[DPG21920]

Got it now, meltdown averted

[DPG21920]

Gawd, if you listenin' let LJC look good!

[raybies]

Got it now, meltdown averted

Nice! where are you watching the game?

[ace3g]

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[raybies]

what's this starting lineup? yuck

[siraulo23]

i really like valentine's game, he's not there yet offensively but defensively he is really good and can defend multiple positions, he's got ton of potential to be a great perimeter defender imo

[raybies]

the turnovers begin...

[DPG21920]

Nice! where are you watching the game?

ESPN

[loveforthegame]

Stokes was more patient there.

[TheGreatYacht]

Stokes with an assist, offensive rebound, and successful post up :tu

Hes probably the best backup 4 we can get for the vets min. He's only 22

[raybies]

the floater...

[ace3g]

uh oh, misses left handed layup...

[loveforthegame]

Great steal but couldn't finish. Murray will learn.

[raybies]

already missing kyle on offense

[ace3g]

LJC

[Robz4000]

:wow Simmons

[loveforthegame]

Simmons holy shit!

[raybies]

C.J. making the most of his start.

[ace3g]

Simmons, lol

[sasaint]

Simmons!

[myhc]

Simmons just nut megged him! SHIT!

LJC In.

[LakerHater]

Damn Simms!

[raybies]

nutmegged!11

[TheGreatYacht]

That didn't go thru the legs, did it? If so... :wow

[Ron Swanson]

Simmons roasted that poor guy.

[SPURt]

Nutmeg!

[raybies]

hahhahhahhaha nutmegged!!! never heard that before :lol

[sasaint]

C.J. making the most of his start.

Spurs could corner the market on promising 26-year olds.

[td4mvp2k]

Simmons just nut megged him! SHIT!

LJC In.

what? you sure it wasnt manu?

[SAGirl]

I'm assuming they play next game, since the Spurs are taking it slow out of respect for Duncan. But the signings should take place tomorrow imo. Pau, then Bertans, than Dedmon. Then the rookies or Manu. In this order or close. My opinion on Milutinov is that the summer spurs bigs have been very underwhelming and the market for quality bigs is drying up, so he might be brought over this year. If he's here, then they must see it as a priority to get him on the court since summer league is about to be over unless we go on a run. I expect Bertans and Milutinov to play next game. But he might have to sign a contract. I have a vague understanding of the cap, but I think we would have to let someone go to fit him in, and in that case who would we let go? Wings like Simmons are easier to find then bigs like Milutinov. Thoughts please.
Did you see news somewhere that Milutinov is for sure going to participate? I have not heard anything about him. The report was that he gave up the Olympics for this and then no news.

[GSH]

Simmons' experience showing, drawing that foul.

[SAGirl]

Do not like Simmons in a post game, he just doesn't have the size for that, but I guess Pop got to see what he wants to see.

[BillMc]

Late to turn on the game. I miss anything earth shattering?

[raybies]

Did you see news somewhere that Milutinov is for sure going to participate? I have not heard anything about him. The report was that he gave up the Olympics for this and then no news.

nope nothing. Just him being there should be an inclination of the plans though.

[ElNono]

we should win this easily now that Kyle is no longer hogging the ball... :troll

[myhc]

LJC nice steal

[sasaint]

Late to turn on the game. I miss anything earth shattering?

Simmons with a dribble drive highlight "nutmegged" his defender.

[Ron Swanson]

Lorbek looks older than me and I'm almost 40. :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

That's Lorbek? That white balding scrub?

[raybies]

nice defense by livio. Dannnggg and we get to see Hanlan and Lorbek!!

[myhc]

LJC with nice pick n roll D.

[loveforthegame]

He missed but the LJC shot looked good.

[GSH]

Well that was a fast break pissed away.

[FlAVaK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lnWMI_1qS4

[TheGoldStandard]

Livio showing out.. good

[td4mvp2k]

LJC needs to make that

[raybies]

my stream was buffering a little bit, how did livio's shot look?

[raybies]

He missed but the LJC shot looked good.
:tu

[loveforthegame]

Archy is feisty tonight on defense.

[ElNono]

my stream was buffering a little bit, how did livio's shot look?

well, just be glad it was buffering :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Others are finally touching the ball now that vending machine head isn't balhogging

[raybies]

Hanlan is a nice looking guard. Much better prospect than Denmon. Jean-Charles is fitting the bill of defense and rebounding for sure but he hasn't made the most of his offensive opportunities.

[GSH]

I love the WNBA commercial with CP3 dressed like a pimp.

[raybies]

well, just be glad it was buffering :lol
:lol

[SAGirl]

we should win this easily now that Kyle is no longer hogging the ball... :troll
Actually they went on a roll when Simmons sat lol
:troll

[raybies]

Cummings needs to pass my gosh... he's trying to hard..

[raybies]

our bigs on this summer squad... sheesh

[myhc]

nice block by LJC

[GSH]

Man these guys are all GREAT defenders. Nobody can make a shot on either end.

[SAGirl]

Valentine looks like trash.. man I am glad we didn't get that guy or trade someone we need for him.

[TheGoldStandard]

Cummings needs to pass my gosh... he's trying to hard..

He's a blackhole..

[raybies]

valentine shooting bricks

[SAGirl]

Arciiiiii

[td4mvp2k]

arci nice

[loveforthegame]

Archly! That was crazy.

[ace3g]

Arch!!!

[BillMc]

Simmons with a dribble drive highlight "nutmegged" his defender.

Cool. Thanks Will look for the hightlight at halftime. When about did it occur?

[beirmeistr]

what a shot by Arci

[LakerHater]

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[TheGreatYacht]

Valentine looks like Ayres and is even trash like him

[HI-FI]

Arch I SAIIDDDDD

[LakerHater]

Damn Archi

[raybies]

nice job arch

[SAGirl]

nice block by LJC
Saw that, covered for someone's mistake. :tu

[SPURt]

Summer League Basketball! It's Craptastic!

At least Arci has been good. Everyone else, not so much.

[r0drig0lac]

arci!!

[TheGoldStandard]

Man! This is looking like a fun squad..

[TheGreatYacht]

Good shit Stokes

[Jdspur20]

So if arc plays well does he have a spot in Austin this comin season?

[SAGirl]

Murray's length is problematic for ohters. I like

[loveforthegame]

Forbes. :tu

[td4mvp2k]

forbes not bad

[raybies]

nice pass by murray. could of shot it though.

[raybies]

Forbes' offense is basically what you want according to analytics. He's a pretty solid finisher inside and he' excellent at three and from what i seen so far, he isn't bad at defense. It's just his height.

[raybies]

Forbes looking to shoot before he had the ball.

[Russ]

Man these guys are all GREAT defenders. Nobody can make a shot on either end.

:lol

[raybies]

the floater...

[TheGreatYacht]

We need to sign Stokes up before they steal him

[loveforthegame]

Stokes looks so much better than last game.

[GSH]

Man I love these announcers. "That's the old adage. If you live by the jumper, you subside by the jumper."

[ace3g]

LJC block!!!

[r0drig0lac]

Stokes can play, keep this guy

[myhc]

LJC nice D!!!

[SAGirl]

LJC active on defense, I like :tu

[GSH]

Nice little arm-screen by Lorbek there. Especially if it doesn't get called.

[loveforthegame]

LJC looks so much better. Defensively that is.

[TheGreatYacht]

Jean-Charles, the Durant stopper tbh

[SAGirl]

Stokes can play, keep this guy
Yea, its too bad he needs at least 2 inches to play his game in the NBA realistically.

[raybies]

jean-charley looking solid defensively

[SAGirl]

Simmons bad defense. LJC took that foul trying to cover for him.

[SAGirl]

Murray just needs a year to work on his game and shot...
I like LJC actually, athletic big.

[ElNono]

terrible defense and rebounding from LJC

[GSH]

Valentine looks like trash.. man I am glad we didn't get that guy or trade someone we need for him.

He sure hasn't shot well in SL. But trash? Mmmm...

[LakerHater]

c'mon LJC

[FaM0us Skins]

terrible defense and rebounding from LJC

I didn't even realize he was playing

[r0drig0lac]

Yea, its too bad he needs at least 2 inches to play his game in the NBA realistically.

if Dray and Blair can play, this guy should not have problem

[ElNono]

I didn't even realize he was playing

Another guy that looks just like last year

[SAGirl]

He sure hasn't shot well in SL. But trash? Mmmm...
Maybe an overreaction but his shot selection wasn't good either.. and he can't handle defensive pressure. Maybe the bad shooting is a result of bad shot selection. Took contested jumpers.

[DPG21920]

Tough match up for LJC on Portis there. Did well when he was going 1 v 1 - stayed strong and force Portis to pass. But then he relaxed, got bodied off the ball and allowed Portis to get open for that basket at the rim.

[DPG21920]

Murray has a ton to work on and doesn't look close to contributing unfortunately. However, he's 19 and this is like his 3rd game so it is what it is.

[SAGirl]

Nice play by Simmons!

[ElNono]

Murray with the terrible D bads

[LakerHater]

Wow simms!

[DPG21920]

LJC looks a little like a "feet shuffler". He never seems to really stride it out and always seems to play in 3rd gear. He seems like he could improve a lot with just more effort.

[HI-FI]

Simmons going for the repeat MVP

[LakerHater]

dammit murray

[montgod]

LJC had the one defensive block and had about 3 scores on him. Not holding position on some rebounds either. He needs to pick it up some.

[TheGreatYacht]

if Dray and Blair can play, this guy should not have problem
He can be a backup 4, that means he's a threat to fathead.

Someone should tell the Cavs Tristan Thompson is too short to play center

[SAGirl]

Murray has a ton to work on and doesn't look close to contributing unfortunately. However, he's 19 and this is like his 3rd game so it is what it is.
Yea, definitely. Just raw talent, needs a lot of coaching. D'league bound.

[timtonymanu]

Murray is pretty raw. Hopefully he's fine with playing in the D-League this season. Needs to take the CoJo route.

[raybies]

Murray hitting a wall. I think it's just getting used to playing smarter, than just playing reckless.

[DPG21920]

That was better by Murray there. Calm on the close out, stayed down and moved his feet. He's been very jumpy on close outs. He's giving effort, but going crazy.

[ernest787]

Yea, definitely. Just raw talent, needs a lot of coaching. D'league bound.

Him and KA will become good friends then :lol

[sasaint]

Others are finally touching the ball now that vending machine head isn't balhogging

Unlike you, I have been pulling for Kyle from the start, however, tonight the ball movement is obviously better.

[SAGirl]

Murray with the terrible D bads
:lmao Can you see Pop's vein..
Is he about to retire with this terrific show the guys put on display here?
:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Stokes shoving someone every game :lol

[HI-FI]

Arch putting da team on his back.

[rastaspur]

Ljc is a homeless version of noerlens noel. If he can became a poor mans version that would be great and just what the bench needs.

[TheGreatYacht]

Unlike you, I have been pulling for Kyle from the start, however, tonight the ball movement is obviously better.
:tu

And you're right, I can't stand him

[BatManu20]

Murray having a lousy game. He'll be in Austin next year.

[sasaint]

Cool. Thanks Will look for the hightlight at halftime. When about did it occur?

Bill, I don't really recall... Probably before the 6-minute mark.

[TheGreatYacht]

Him and KA will become good friends then :lol
Lmao

[beirmeistr]

LJC looks a little like a "feet shuffler". He never seems to really stride it out and always seems to play in 3rd gear. He seems like he could improve a lot with just more effort.
we should call it the Simmons Shuffle

[HI-FI]

Where is SAGirl's BF? He already go home?

[loveforthegame]

Archy, Forbes, Simmons, and Stokes have been the most consistent.

Murray and LJC are doing some promising things but some side eye stuff too.

[TheGreatYacht]

Props to Chinook tbh. He called Murray was going to struggle bad while everyone was wet after Game 1

[Keepin' it real]

Wow, team looks lost without Kyle.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao Can you see Pop's vein..
Is he about to retire with this terrific show the guys put on display here?
:lol

Murray in an NBA game would be what Cameron Payne was in the playoffs.:lol

[SAGirl]

Murray is pretty raw. Hopefully he's fine with playing in the D-League this season. Needs to take the CoJo route.
:pop:It will be good for him getting over himself and stop with videotaping his life and making it about himself.

[raybies]

Ljc is a homeless version of noerlens noel. If he can became a poor mans version that would be great and just what the bench needs.
I like this comp. Not bad for the 5/6 big on the bench. I mean we've had worse.

[timtonymanu]

Murray having a lousy game. He'll be in Austin next year.

Yeah I hope he stays as patient as CoJo was. Helped Cory in the long run.

[SAGirl]

Where is SAGirl's BF? He already go home?
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[sasaint]

Murray having a lousy game. He'll be in Austin next year.

Yep. That was never really in doubt.

[BillMc]

Bill, I don't really recall... Probably before the 6-minute mark.

Thanks.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wow, team looks lost without Kyle.
You normally keep it real. Right now is not one of those times.

[Keepin' it real]

You normally keep it real. Right now is not one of those times.

:lol

[HI-FI]

752935512671866880
Thanks. I was looking forward to see his improvement. Sounds like he doesn't like Vegas anyways so I guess he got what he needed from it.

[Keepin' it real]

I've been watching on and off. Anything good from LJC yet?

[SAGirl]

Murray in an NBA game would be what Cameron Payne was in the playoffs.:lol
:lol I like his potential really. He's just really got to learn to play professionally. He's quick but doesn't need to go at 100 velocity all the time. ... just too much he needs to work on.
Pop won't have the patience. Maybe we see him in garbage time to start working on controlling tempo.

[BillMc]

JCL is in the house. When does Bertans get signed?

And does JCL look NBA-ready to anyone? Not me, tbh.

[raybies]

I'm glad they are bringing Murray along slowly. He's been an inefficient player and needs this kind of load as to encourage him to take better shots. He's game is really getting exposed. He can't be a volume shooter with the Spurs. But I like his selflessness tonight. He is looking to make the extra pass which can be really frustrating if you are not hitting your looks, but he seems composed. His turnovers are natural for an inexperienced player.

[GSH]

LJC looks a little like a "feet shuffler". He never seems to really stride it out and always seems to play in 3rd gear. He seems like he could improve a lot with just more effort.


The feet shuffling is usually a guy who is having to think about what he's doing while he's doing it.

To me, he looks a lot like he did in the regular season last year. He shows flashes of recognition, but then looks like he's in over his head about half the time. It just looks like he's not sure of himself a lot. But when he sees a lane to the basket, that light comes on and he looks totally different.