Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[Darius Bieber]

Warriors torching the Spurs even in the off-season :lol

[SAGirl]

Ndoye bad hands, that was a nice rebound and pass by Dijon.

[loveforthegame]

Murray beat but what a recover. :tu

[TheGoldStandard]

Good recovery by Murray.. Slow footed bigs not catching passes

[SAGirl]

Nice block Dijon

[loveforthegame]

Woo, Murray.

[SAGirl]

Dijon is special.. only 19... room to grow but he's slippery.

[Mr. Body]

Forbes has disappeared.

[Keepin' it real]

Darn, Cady stinks.

[Robz4000]

The way they slobber on the Warriors' knob is unreal. They really are the Harlem Globetrotters of the NBA now. Hell, they're campaigning for fans to jump on the bandwagon.

[TheGoldStandard]

Forbes doesn't really move without the ball.. Needs to move but he's not getting good looks and as I wrote that he had a bad shot, lol.

[BatManu20]

Literally no one can make a shot :lol

[Robz4000]

:cry Arci the future :cry

[loveforthegame]

Nice block Cady.

Archy!

[Dancelot]

These announcers are deep throating the fuck out of the Warriors even in summer league :lol

[Keepin' it real]

I like that Archie didn't let his opponent pick him up.

[SPURt]

Arci!

[SAGirl]

Much more involvement of others like it.

[td4mvp2k]

nice

[TheGreatYacht]

Cady taking over defensively

[SAGirl]

These announcers are deep throating the fuck out of the Warriors even in summer league :lol
Disgusting. They don't even have interesting guys to watch in this scrubby ass SL team... McCaw the only one ... disgusting
like they say
today's nba :lmao

[beirmeistr]

great shot by unselfish Arci

[SAGirl]

Forbes doesn't really move without the ball.. Needs to move but he's not getting good looks and as I wrote that he had a bad shot, lol.
He's got to learn to play like a real NBA gunner. Maybe some Austin Toros for him?

[TheGoldStandard]

What the bloody hell was that Kyle?

[Mnky]

I would like to see arci develop. Kid is a baller, just doesn't have the physicals attributes on par.

[TheGoldStandard]

If we're gonna play rotational players in this thing might as well call up Kawhi.. I'm sure he'd do it.

[Keepin' it real]

That's true, Kome's final game was one of the top 5 NBA games ever. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Fathead is a wreck on both ends

[loveforthegame]

Forbes. :tu

[SAGirl]

Becky good call.

[Ron Swanson]

Look at the former Lakers fans in the stands.

[beirmeistr]

becky can chew that gum

[SAGirl]

Becky I love you :toast

[Keepin' it real]

Kyle with all-NBA transition D.

[BatManu20]

Too much selfish basketball.

[loveforthegame]

Murray should have passed. Then gets the block.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dejounte has bad tunnel vision

[TheGoldStandard]

That Air Ball

[BatManu20]

This offense is just atrocious tbh.

[Robz4000]

They're all just so terrible.

[Keepin' it real]

Flagrant 2?

[Spur-Addict]

:rollin Stokes

[TheGreatYacht]

Already like Stokes :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Fat head needs to get the fuck outta the team

[GSH]

Wow. This is just pathetic.

[Rito3d30]

They are so bad......

[Mnky]

I like Stokes. seems to be the type to do the dirty work and put a heavy body on someone. Wear Em down physically and mentally.

It seems like Murray is desperate to have the ball in his hands, which isn't working with Anderson and Simmons looking to shoot every time they have it. Seems like they might be threatened by the young fella tbh.

[SpursFan86]

I've been looking forward to this all day and I already want to turn it off :lol Such terrible basketball

[loveforthegame]

Let's hope the 2nd half is better. :lol

[beirmeistr]

Kyle slow-grows on you.

[SAGirl]

Kyle can score man.. he gets stuck hesitating bc he looks to pass .. there is just not enough cutters or movement off the ball.

[apalisoc_9]

Team is so bad but the purpose of summer league is evaluation so its all good. I wish they stop playing white American scrubs though...Who is that ginger Kirk dude? Dude can barely even move. :lol

[SAGirl]

Kyle slow-grows on you.
:toast

[SAGirl]

Just thought I really wanted to see Bertans and LJC lol lets sour on Timmy and his retirement announcement holding up rookies some more. :lol

[GSH]

Is Anderson's head even bigger? He's looking more and more like the villain in that Green Lantern movie. I hate to zero in on a something like that, but damn.

[BillMc]

I've been looking forward to this all day and I already want to turn it off :lol Such terrible basketball

Ditto

[Seventyniner]

:lol Today's Spurs SL offense

[Chinook]

Really don't like Murray and Simmons on the court together. Add in Anderson, and it's even worse. Really think it's time for Kyle to sit. He's clogging up the front court right now. This is obviously not a horrible game, but I would say it's the worst that Becky has coached so far. Ndoye is clearly the best big on the team right now. He should play.

[SAGirl]

:lol Today's Spurs SL offense
:lol

[apalisoc_9]

There is no way Kyle Anderson is getting a bigger role this year..He looks awful trying to play the diaw role. In fairness to him, his shot looks better.

Murray is a real chucker who is really poor at playing offball defense. Long hands though. Can disrupt ballhandlers of if he puts in effort but otherwise a negative on defense.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fat head is the one holding back rookies, playing in the summer league and it's his third fucking year. Pass the ball too clown.

[apalisoc_9]

Simmons is done. Dude is flat out trash. :lol

[sasaint]

I didn't watch the first half, but I am tuned in now. Sounds like we were TURRIBLE. No doubt our play will pick up now.

[SAGirl]

Really don't like Murray and Simmons on the court together. Add in Anderson, and it's even worse. Really think it's time for Kyle to sit. He's clogging up the front court right now. This is obviously not a horrible game, but I would say it's the worst that Becky has coached so far. Ndoye is clearly the best big on the team right now. He should play.
I think the point is to develop the chemistry here not kill it. But I would be up for sitting Kyle no problem. I have no idea what they are aiming to do here, at one point he was by himself with ppl who are entirely not rotation players. . . so I don't know what they wanted to evaluate except I guess if he could score on his own. It was weird.

[Ron Swanson]

Becky clearly doesn't want to show the Dubs too much. Waiting for the playoffs.

[Sec24Row7]

There's a eurostep.

[SAGirl]

Dijon :toast

[Spur-Addict]

Nice pass by Murray

[GSH]

Becky clearly doesn't want to show the Dubs too much. Waiting for the playoffs.

CIA Becky. The legend continues.

[SpursFan86]

Great pass from Murray on that PnR

[TheGoldStandard]

Good pass on that slip..

[daslicer]

Becky clearly doesn't want to show the Dubs too much. Waiting for the playoffs.

:lmao Becky is clearing taking a page out of Pop's book.

[TheGoldStandard]

Lol. Forbes forcing shit.. that's not how you stay on the team

[TheGreatYacht]

Cady and Dejounte carrying scrubs per par

[Mnky]

Murray is definitely an advantage against opposing pgs. His size bothers guards period.

[SAGirl]

Dijon definite quick step.

[GSH]

This game would be a lot less enjoyable if not for these great announcers.

[sasaint]

Lol. Forbes forcing shit.. that's not how you stay on the team

He is Austin-bound.

[Spurs9]

:pop: these youngsters need to watch some video of Bonners game

[TheGreatYacht]

Vending machine head just keeps getting worse. Incredible.

[GSH]

Shit. 1-on-1 on the fast break is supposed to be Simmons' specialty. That was pitiful.

[sasaint]

Stokes with 2 nice boards, 1 nice put-back and a terrific outlet pass.

[TheGoldStandard]

Rec League game.

[SAGirl]

I got to say I like what Stokes brings... if he wasn't so small.. he definitely does all the blue collar stuff.

[ducks]

Murray is a keeper

[SAGirl]

This game would be a lot less enjoyable if not for these great announcers.
Have to agree, unbearable. I don't know when you tuned in but the first half was all GSW salivating blabbering...

[NASpurs]

This game would be a lot less enjoyable if not for these great announcers.

Those fuckers ran out of clichés about the Spurs in the first quarter and now they're on repeat.

[SAGirl]

Murray is a keeper
:toast

[sasaint]

Kyle loafing back on D. Smh.

[Mnky]

I got to say I like what Stokes brings... if he wasn't so small.. he definitely does all the blue collar stuff.

Someone pointed out he was the same size as Draymond green.

[Ron Swanson]

Someone pointed out he was the same size as Draymond green.

He can kick Adams in the nuts.

[sasaint]

Someone pointed out he was the same size as Draymond green.

If he shows a 3-point shot like Draymond, keep him.

[sasaint]

Nice steal by Stokes.

[SAGirl]

Someone pointed out he was the same size as Draymond green.
He doesn't look it... Cady and Kyle were both larger... but I like him.. just really, really noticeable that he's the size of a wing... and not a large one.

[Dancelot]

Vending machine head just keeps getting worse. Incredible.
Such a great nickname :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Stokes is only 22. Bring him over

[SAGirl]

Nice D Cummings. He's been a nice bench guard.
Forbes doesn't pass or move well without the ball. He can score though. Definitely needs Austin.

[TheGreatYacht]

Such a great nickname :lol
Credit to hater :lol

[Keepin' it real]

Someone pointed out he was the same size as Draymond green.

Built like Corliss Williamson.

[Mnky]

Boy, Im an arci fan.

[Spur-Addict]

SMH

[Ron Swanson]

Sloppy

[SPURt]

Kyle slow-grows on you.
Like a benign tumor or an erection?

[SAGirl]

Simmons Dijon no chemistry. Dijon wants to be unselfish but Simmons not helping.. should just tell him to throw a lob... chemistry not there.

[sasaint]

Murray is piling up the TOs now.

[cjw]

Murray awful for past few minutes

[GSH]

Murray is piling up the TOs now.


That last TO he had was just an ADHD moment. He was looking around and forgot he was still dribbling the basketball. Oops.

[Keepin' it real]

Gonna be a nailbiter of a finish!

[Mnky]

Murray showing he's a teenager with the last few plays. Attacked and drew in defenders, failed to pass out. Had Simmons running, went low instead of High. Needs to fix those concepts.

[sasaint]

That last TO he had was just an ADHD moment. He was looking around and forgot he was still dribbling the basketball. Oops.

Don't see those much. Kinda funny if you aren't being a fan.

[GSH]

Simmons is just hoping that Murray's TO's will make everyone forget about the 9 he had in that last game. Murray is only up to 5, but there's still time left.

[sasaint]

Kyle!

[sasaint]

Sykes is looking good. Prolly start for Philly.

[GSH]

I just had a sickening thought. Can you just imagine what Boban would be doing in this game? I don't know what he'll do against first-rate NBA bigs. But he'd have 50 tonight, if they turned him loose.

[SAGirl]

Cady.. :depressed

[Ron Swanson]

Det crossover

[TheGreatYacht]

More Stokes at the 4, less Andershit

[GSH]

Det crossover

Great little ankle-breaker by Murray. Shame he tanked the jumper.

[SAGirl]

Definitely too many TO from everyone

[SAGirl]

I just had a sickening thought. Can you just imagine what Boban would be doing in this game? I don't know what he'll do against first-rate NBA bigs. But he'd have 50 tonight, if they turned him loose.
That is on Manu. He wanted $ and will get it.

[sasaint]

Great little ankle-breaker by Murray. Shame he tanked the jumper.

But I liked seeing him take the J.

[Mnky]

One thing Murray already does at a high level is rebound. Killer instinct on those

[sasaint]

Bad Forbes miss.

[SAGirl]

Damn Simmons bad lob/ bad entry pass.

[TheGreatYacht]

Anderson demanding the ball when he's covered. What a fucking idiot this dude is

[SAGirl]

Bad Forbes miss.
Yea it was a great play. Forbes drew a null this game.

[BillMc]

THis is some atrocious basketball. :lol

[sasaint]

One thing Murray already does at a high level is rebound. Killer instinct on those

:tu

[SAGirl]

One thing Murray already does at a high level is rebound. Killer instinct on those
:tu indeed. He's got quick feet and long arms on defense. Just needs refinement.

[Kawhitstorm]

Stokes is really small to be a big.

He's the same size as Big Baby except he isn't fat.

[Kurik]

Can only see the stats on my phone but how do Stokes and Cady look for those watching?

[Robz4000]

Murray !!!

[GSH]

One thing Murray already does at a high level is rebound. Killer instinct on those

He did tonight. But with so many missed shots flying around, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. These two teams are shooting about 30% collectively. That's just a shitload of rebound opportunities. He's been good on the boards, but I'll wait to see if it happens again.

[sasaint]

Shame for Simmons that he didn't hit that 3.

[BatManu20]

This might be the worst I've ever seen Simmons look.

[beirmeistr]

murray has a bad case of hero-ballitis

[Keepin' it real]

Tense finish.

[ducks]

the turnovers these players have only been together less then a week

[SAGirl]

Murray living up to inefficient shooting (3-11 tonight) but there is definite talent. Just 19. Forbes drew and null and Simmons not good again. Him and Murray do not jive.

[Sec24Row7]

murray has a bad case of hero-ballitis

He's 19. He is in the NBA. This is the first time he hasn't been the hero.

[Mnky]

He did tonight. But with so many missed shots flying around, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. These two teams are shooting about 30% collectively. That's just a shitload of rebound opportunities. He's been good on the boards, but I'll wait to see if it happens again.

One of his pros coming out of college was his rebounding ability. He also had some real nice boards last game. One thing that worries me about it is that when he thinks a shot is going up, he heads for the paint out of instinct. Good for rebounding, but if he leaves his man too early, I can see defenses making him pay for that.

[Robz4000]

Fathead with the buzzer beater

[sasaint]

He did tonight. But with so many missed shots flying around, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. These two teams are shooting about 30% collectively. That's just a shitload of rebound opportunities. He's been good on the boards, but I'll wait to see if it happens again.

I thought he showed those same good instincts last game, although I don't have any stats.

[Ron Swanson]

Get it to Kawhi in the corner.

[Keepin' it real]

One of his pros coming out of college was his rebounding ability. He also had some real nice boards last game. One thing that worries me about it is that when he thinks a shot is going up, he heads for the paint out of instinct. Good for rebounding, but if he leaves his man too early, I can see defenses making him pay for that.

Easily fixable with Spurs coaching.

[Mr. Body]

He did tonight. But with so many missed shots flying around, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions. These two teams are shooting about 30% collectively. That's just a shitload of rebound opportunities. He's been good on the boards, but I'll wait to see if it happens again.

What, you think all those rebounds are available only to him? What a dumb thing to say.

[Ron Swanson]

BOOM!

[Robz4000]

Simmons > D'Bust

[Mnky]

Easily fixable with Spurs coaching.

Agreed.

[TheGoldStandard]

Spurs win in July Per Par

[BatManu20]

Simmons wins it at the buzzer!

[HI-FI]

:wow Simmons finally woke up.

[td4mvp2k]

Becky goat

[Kurik]

Hopefully this will get Simmons confidence up a little.

[loveforthegame]

Becky is a boss coach. :worthy:

[ducks]

wow

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

Becky > Pop tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Terrible throw by Anderson, terrific athleticism by Simmons and even better finish

[cjw]

So much for the Warriors going undefeated this year

[SAGirl]

Kyle-->JSimms. Redemption. Love you Becky.

[TheGoldStandard]

Pop wouldn't have called that timeout

[Chinook]

Simmons pulled a Bourousis.

[SPURt]

Thank God Simmons put that game away. So much butt!

[Mnky]

Does that referee have makeup on.. I swear them cheeks is and forehead looking like he throwing on a skirt and headed to the club after this game.

[Ron Swanson]

Kyle's head makes him almost as tall as Ndiaye.

[tim_duncan_fan]

#BabyBoy

#BasedSimmons

#Fathead

#BeckyWithTheGoodPlays

[Darius Bieber]

Only time the Spurs will beat the Warriors this season. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Haven't seen such great late game execution by a coach since 2014 tbh

[Keepin' it real]

Spurs draw first blood against GSW in 2016-17!

[ducks]

please someone get that up to u tube

[Mnky]

So is Becky the heir apparent to Pop?

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs win in July Per Par
LOL

[TimDuncanDonuts]

Terrible throw by Anderson, terrific athleticism by Simmons and even better finish
It was a good pass, if he threw it where Simmons didn't need terrific athleticism the Warriors would've been able to deflect it.

[tim_duncan_fan]

So is Becky the heir apparent to Pop?

Yes. We breaking boundaries.

[GSH]

I thought he showed those same good instincts last game, although I don't have any stats.


I'm not knocking him. Just saying. If he's leaving early to chase boards, he's going to get lit up by better competition - and there won't be as many opportunities. But tonight he definitely went hard to bring some of them down. You always like a guy who works hard for rebounds and loose balls.

He showed some good moves with the basketball. Obviously he needs to make more of them, after he creates space for himself. But I'm not judging that by one game, either.

Someone commented on him going hero-ball. I think he sensed that he was the best player on the court at times, and when that happens he probably should go hard at the defense. Even though this whole game looked sloppy, the fact that there were times when he was the best player on the floor looks positive to me.

[Mr. Body]

Terrible throw by Anderson, terrific athleticism by Simmons and even better finish

That's where he could get him the ball.

[SAGirl]

This might be the worst I've ever seen Simmons look.
I don't know if it was on purpose (not Simmons looking good but half court sets).. bc you know coaches test different things we don't know of.. but if you noticed this was a half court game. Very rarely someone pushed the tempo.. It seemed deliberate that they wanted to practice half court offense. It wasn't pretty. TO by everyone. Lack of off the ball movement, lack of cutting, just ugly.

I consider it practice. A lot of heroballing by most everyone in a half court set.. I hope next time they are better.

I love Becky though. She played everybody I think.

I wonder, she should be getting offers at least for head assistant spots or something. She's way too talented.

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm-hvgcWcAQrtRJ.jpg:large

[Mnky]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm-hvgcWcAQrtRJ.jpg:large

The missing piece.

[SAGirl]

That's where he could get him the ball.
It was indeed a throw in between 2 defenders. Great pass.

[SAGirl]

The missing piece.
Move over Pops.:lol

[LakerHater]

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[ducks]

these players have not even been together a week
all want to make the team so some hero ball is not unnormal
turnovers are going to be a problem because people have not played together
anderson and simons have played together and also know the system

[GSH]

What, you think all those rebounds are available only to him? What a dumb thing to say.


I'm saying that when the other team misses 60 shots, it's possible to just fall into a few. And I'm saying that I wouldn't judge by one game, when the other team misses 60 shots.

Oh, yeah, and I'm saying "fuck yo' dumb thing to say". Jackass.

[Uriel]

Summer Spurs just accomplished something the regular Spurs could not.

[apalisoc_9]

Some Random thoughts

- Anderson's shot looks better but he struggled against D-league level players operating in the high post from a horns set. That's concerning if they plan to play him more at the 4.

- Murray has good hands. With Effort he can disrupt ball handlers but his effort is so up and down. He got beat repeadly on the dribble by sykes. His offball defense effort is questionable. His Vision is subpar or he's a chucker.. There's potential there though but his lack of shooting is going to be a major problem in his career..Good effort on the boards but thats largely due to his desire to want to chuck and drive to the basket soon as he grabs the board.

- Simmons can't play with ball dominant players. That's concerning since he is already 26 years old. Not to mention his talent level would require him to play against better players who require the ball. He's as good as gone after next year.

- Ndoye and Lalane are decent rim protect guys but I havent seen anything from them that se havent seen last year.

-Arciwhiteguy has impressive defensive work ethic. His release is ok but he most likely wont make the nba due to his size and speed..Still a better shot at the NBA as rotation player than Jimmer though since he does put in the effort without the ball.

- Forbes has a good release but his offball movement for an offball little guy is poor.. hes not going to make it.

- Stokes is 6'4

[TheGreatYacht]

10pts, 9reb, 1stl, 1blk, +11 for Stokes in 17 minutes :tu

[SAGirl]

Spurs draw first blood against GSW in 2016-17!
This is the spirit.
Enough with criticizing our players. Those GSW looked like shit to me. Its war!:toast

[TheGreatYacht]

Dejounte with 10 rebounds, 3blk, 3stl :wow

[Chinook]

Dejounte with 10 rebounds, 3blk, 3stl :wow

Probably the most amazing defensive line I've never seen for someone who didn't play good defense.

[GSH]

Stokes is 6'4


Yeah, I told you guys Stokes was short. I think he's probably 6'6", but he's not one of those guys with a short neck and long arms, whose body is really taller than the tape measure shows. It's a shame, because he seems like a good kid who works hard. But I don't know how you can go up against NBA bigs, at that height.

[coachmac87]

Some Random thoughts

- Anderson's shot looks better but he struggled against D-league level players operating in the high post from a horns set. That's concerning if they plan to play him more at the 4.

- Murray has good hands. With Effort he can disrupt ball handlers but his effort is so up and down. He got beat repeadly on the dribble by sykes. His offball defense effort is questionable. His Vision is subpar or he's a chucker.. There's potential there though but his lack of shooting is going to be a major problem in his career..Good effort on the boards but thats largely due to his desire to want to chuck and drive to the basket soon as he grabs the board.

- Simmons can't play with ball dominant players. That's concerning since he is already 26 years old. Not to mention his talent level would require him to play against better players who require the ball. He's as good as gone after next year.

- Ndoye and Lalane are decent rim protect guys but I havent seen anything from them that se havent seen last year.

-Arciwhiteguy has impressive defensive work ethic. His release is ok but he most likely wont make the nba due to his size and speed..Still a better shot at the NBA as rotation player than Jimmer though since he does put in the effort without the ball.

- Forbes has a good release but his offball movement for an offball little guy is poor.. hes not going to make it.

- Stokes is 6'4


Shitty post tbh

[Keepin' it real]

Shitty post tbh

:lol

[ElNono]

:lol just when fatheadfan was getting ready to slam Simms for the quiet game, in comes det buzzer beater...

[SAGirl]

Some Random thoughts

- Anderson's shot looks better but he struggled against D-league level players operating in the high post from a horns set. That's concerning if they plan to play him more at the 4.

- Murray has good hands. With Effort he can disrupt ball handlers but his effort is so up and down. He got beat repeadly on the dribble by sykes. His offball defense effort is questionable. His Vision is subpar or he's a chucker.. There's potential there though but his lack of shooting is going to be a major problem in his career..Good effort on the boards but thats largely due to his desire to want to chuck and drive to the basket soon as he grabs the board.

- Simmons can't play with ball dominant players. That's concerning since he is already 26 years old. Not to mention his talent level would require him to play against better players who require the ball. He's as good as gone after next year.

- Ndoye and Lalane are decent rim protect guys but I havent seen anything from them that se havent seen last year.

-Arciwhiteguy has impressive defensive work ethic. His release is ok but he most likely wont make the nba due to his size and speed..Still a better shot at the NBA as rotation player than Jimmer though since he does put in the effort without the ball.

- Forbes has a good release but his offball movement for an offball little guy is poor.. hes not going to make it.

- Stokes is 6'4
Thanks for sharing I like to read others impressions and I am too lazy to initiate them myself.
I think it is a bit concerning you ar right that JSimms has been completely off since Murray joined the team.
Its not a coincidence. Like at all. And Murray tried to pass twice to him on fastbrakes, he tried to share. I'd say its obvious they have no chemistry whatsoever, and instead of throwing lobs Murray tried to get cute. Can't blame it on all J.Simms, but they don't jive. I am not sure is J.Simms but could be the Murray effect... I don't know what to tell you about it... (like the Parker effect?) I have to watch them both more.

I liked Ndoye defensively but offensively bad, Murray involved him on a PnR and he didn't catch a ball that was a good enough lob, not a perfect pass, but not so off base. I don't know if that is on Murray (bad passing) or Ndoye (or lack of chemistry between the two -- a very likely possibility when judging passing TBH).

Cady was the best he's been in any game. He was less of a foul machine either than he was last SL for example. Still he got nice jumpers and just missed them. He was better on defense than the past few games too, but nothing special. Ndoye had a bit of butter fingers rebounding I thought.

Stokes is skilled, he does all the little things, very active defensively, but you are right. I don't know if he's 6'4" with no shoes or what, but he definitely looks very undersized. I am still on the fence about him. If he was Cady's size for example, it would be a whole different story.

Not a good game from Kyle, so I'll shut my yap about him offensively. He did have some nice sequences in transition defense and some deflections and blocks. Even on a bad shooting night, he manages to help the team.

[ElNono]

Not even mah becky trusting fathead to win the game, tbh... hope Pop was watching that...

[Kawhitstorm]

Stokes is 6'4

You know who else was 6'4": Barkley:wow

_10O8i_pw08

[SAGirl]

Not even mah becky trusting fathead to win the game, tbh... hope Pop was watching that...
:troll:toast

[ElNono]

:troll:toast

:lol

[GSH]

So is Becky the heir apparent to Pop?


She's not that good. She didn't even play Gromovs. How can she be a good summer league coach, and not even play Gromovs?

[Ron Swanson]

:troll:toast


:lmao

[GSH]

You know who else was 6'4": Barkley:wow




Charles Barkley was 6'6". He was also clearly exceptional. Surely you're not comparing Stokes to Charles Barkley? You might as well say that he could be another Michael Jordan, because he was also 6'6".

[Mnky]

Shitty post tbh

:lol

[LakerHater]

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[blizz]

Stokes reminds me a little of Corliss Williamson. Obviously not as skilled but has a similar body and gait. Simmons was bad, couldn't buy a shot. KA is obviously the best player when he's out there as he should be being a rotational player and this being his 3rd SL. Murray has some skills just needs some coaching and will be fine. He's going to turn out to be a steal. He has the "stuff" you can't teach. I like Arci, he's a pest on D and can handle the ball well enough and if he can shoot consistently I see him sticking. He's kinda like a poor man's Jj Barea. The rest of the guys are meh

[SAGirl]

Summer Spurs just accomplished something the regular Spurs could not.
:lmao This is funny thanks Uriel... made me laugh lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Charles Barkley was 6'6".

Barkley was 6'4.5", he was 6'6" with shoes. Stokes is 6"7" & 6'8.5" w/ shoes:





Source
Height w/o Shoes
Height w/shoes
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach
Body Fat
No Step Vert
Max Vert


2014
NBA Draft Combine
6' 7"
6' 8.5"
263
7' 1.25"
8' 7.5"
8.2
31.0

36.0

[Kawhitstorm]

Stokes reminds me a little of Corliss Williamson. Obviously not as skilled but has a similar body and gait.

Yeah, Stokes is kind of like Big Nasty except he's actually wider/stronger.

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[palangi]

The problem is that Becky kept playing stokes at C. He needs to play PF next to lalanne or Ndoye.

[GSH]

In 1999, for months leading up to the draft, rumors circulated about Elton Brand’s true height. Brand had always been listed at 6’8” or 6’9” in college, but many people didn’t buy it. Wally Szczerbiak, another player from the draft class, said Brand was closer to 6’6”, and the rumor was Brand was actually only 6’5 ½” barefoot.

Brand was viewed as a top 5 pick by most already, but many questioned if he was tall enough to play the power forward in the NBA. Only Larry Johnson and Charles Barkley had found success at the power forward position in recent years at around 6’6”, and they possessed superior athleticism.

Brand however had been insisting he was measured 6’8” without shoes at Duke, and he was confident he would measure at that size again. Brand showed up to the camp and measured 6’8 ¼” without shoes, 6’9 ½” with shoes and with an amazing 7’5 ½” wingspan, and 9’2” standing reach. Jerry Krause explained that Brand had a short neck [as did Barkley] and that a long neck is wasted height in basketball.

I really don't give a rat fuck what numbers you dug up from where. Barkley was 6'6". He also had a short neck, and his body height was that of a taller player. On top of that he had exceptional athleticism (and strength).

Stokes has none of those things going for him. You can use up all the wishful thinking you want, but he's not in the same universe as Charles Barkley. Using Barkley for a comparison is just silly. The simple fact is that very few players have been able to be successful playing the big man's game, at a height of 6'6". And the ones that have are freaks of nature that are obvious while they are still in college, and they get drafted higher because of it. Stokes isn't one of those guys. Period. And he isn't going to suddenly become one of those guys, just because he's on the Spurs' SL team.

I wish he was, I really do. But he isn't.

[SAGirl]

I really don't give a rat fuck what numbers you dug up from where. Barkley was 6'6". He also had a short neck, and his body height was that of a taller player. On top of that he had exceptional athleticism (and strength).

Stokes has none of those things going for him. You can use up all the wishful thinking you want, but he's not in the same universe as Charles Barkley. Using Barkley for a comparison is just silly. The simple fact is that very few players have been able to be successful playing the big man's game, at a height of 6'6". And the ones that have are freaks of nature that are obvious while they are still in college, and they get drafted higher because of it. Stokes isn't one of those guys. Period. And he isn't going to suddenly become one of those guys, just because he's on the Spurs' SL team.

I wish he was, I really do. But he isn't.
Let me ask you GSH, bc I am in no particular big man's camp in here.... but say there is a roster spot open.. who is your pick of the bigs we have seen?
Personally that is why I wanted to see Milutinov. He's just a legit center. I have been told he's a foul machine, raw or whatever, but he's 21 and is a legit big... anyways that was a disappointment that he's not here. Who do you like from here (LJC and Kyle obviously are in the team, not a question about them)? In this SL team.. I don't know yet.

[Solid D]

The problem is that Becky kept playing stokes at C. He needs to play PF next to lalanne or Ndoye.

Maybe Stokes' wide body sort of reminded Becky of Jayne Appel.

(You know, In a good way ;) )

[dabom]

how the f you watch spurs games then :lol

I live in SA dude. :lol

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[siraulo23]

Probably the most amazing defensive line I've never seen for someone who didn't play good defense.

:wow this

he played a little better on defense this game compared to his last but thats not saying much

i dont wanna jump to conclusion but whenever he's on the floor, it seems to me he is only concerned about "dominating" the game and his stats

[siraulo23]

I live in SA dude. :lol

really? :lol

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[GSH]

Let me ask you GSH, bc I am in no particular big man's camp in here.... but say there is a roster spot open.. who is your pick of the bigs we have seen?
Personally that is why I wanted to see Milutinov. He's just a legit center. I have been told he's a foul machine, raw or whatever, but he's 21 and is a legit big... anyways that was a disappointment that he's not here. Who do you like from here (LJC and Kyle obviously are in the team, not a question about them)? In this SL team.. I don't know yet.


I'm depressed about all of them. That's why I keep hoping to see an announcement that they've signed Bourousis.

What I feel pretty confident in is that Stokes is one of those unfortunate guys who can put up solid lines against D-League level competition. But because of his (lack of) height, he's not going to be able to handle NBA big men. It's a shame, and I really feel for the guy.

Do you guys remember how frustrating Dejuan Blair was? He had flashes of being good, but also seemed to keep having a lot of "bad games"? Blair had a lot of heart, and was reasonably athletic. But after a while it became clear to even the bandwagoners that he was just too damned small to ever be consistently good in the NBA.

Blair had a standing reach of 8'10.5". Stokes has a standing reach of about 8'7". That makes it pretty tough, when you're going against guys like, say, Tiago Splitter or Enis Kanter or Steven Adams, who all have a standing reach of 9'1.5". That's 6 1/2" inches that Stokes is giving up, when it comes time to go up for rebounds, or to try and block a shot. If he was a guy who could jump out of the building - then maybe. But he's just about average in that department. So what is it that's going to allow this guy to overcome that height disparity?

Yes, he was very good in D-League. And, yes, it would make a great movie if he could play with so much heart that he could sky over 7-footers and exceed everyone's expectations. I'd pay to see that movie. But it's not going to play out in real life. It's not fair for a guy like that who wants it so much. But if the Spurs are so weak in the middle that he somehow makes the regular season roster, he's going to be even more frustrating than Blair. Potentially a LOT more frustrating. Personally, I don't think it can happen. If it does, I'll still be happy that someone in his situation can get paid and get a financial boost in life. But it won't bode well for the Spurs' season. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to admit it.

That's my dissertation on Stokes. I'm done.

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[Emperor]

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[siraulo23]

Thanks for sharing I like to read others impressions and I am too lazy to initiate them myself.
I think it is a bit concerning you ar right that JSimms has been completely off since Murray joined the team.
Its not a coincidence. Like at all



Since Murray started playing, Forbes and Simmons has struggled, definitely not a coincidence

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[apalisoc_9]

Probably the most amazing defensive line I've never seen for someone who didn't play good defense.

Reminds me of the simmons crew who wanted him to play over Green because apperently hes a good defender because hes athletic and had some nice defensive stats. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

I really don't give a rat fuck what numbers you dug up from where. Barkley was 6'6". He also had a short neck, and his body height was that of a taller player. On top of that he had exceptional athleticism (and strength).

Stokes has none of those things going for him. You can use up all the wishful thinking you want, but he's not in the same universe as Charles Barkley.

:lmao

Dumbass, I was mocking Apo for claiming Stokes was 6'4" when he's actually 6"7":

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/barkleymug.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

Probably the most amazing defensive line I've never seen for someone who didn't play good defense.

James Harden was averaging at least 1 steal/1 block/6 rebounds for the good chunk of the '14-'15 season. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao

Dumbass, I was mocking Apo for claiming Stokes was 6'4" when he's actually 6"7":

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/barkleymug.jpg

Stokes is short bro. No place for him in San Antonio with Gasol, Aldridge,Anderson, Dedmon, Bertans eating all the bigs minutes.

[siraulo23]

Not even mah becky trusting fathead to win the game, tbh... hope Pop was watching that...

can u imagine that bench without manu? Anderson leading the bench unit? F me :lol

[GSH]

:lmao

Dumbass, I was mocking Apo for claiming Stokes was 6'4" when he's actually 6"7":

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/barkleymug.jpg


Sorry - I missed that. If that's what you were saying, I'll accept the "dumbass" comment. This is just one of those nights when I'm not in the mood to take unnecessary shit, or listen to someone saying ridiculously stupid things like "Barkley was 6'4". Great use of the mug shot, BTW. That says it better than words ever could.

Stokes could be as tall as 6'7" - I hear various claims. It's impossible to get that specific, just from seeing him next to a few other guys. There are print references from college showing him at both 6'6" and 6'7" (then all of a sudden they started listing him at 6'8" or even 6'9". He didn't have a growth spurt.) But he's definitely short to be playing the C. If he really is 6'7", then his standing reach is a little below average for that height. And if you're going to play the 4 or 5 under-height, you need to be above average.

[Emperor]

- Stokes is 6'4

He was taller than Murray when he was standing beside him and shorter than Kyle. I'd have to go with 6'7 or 6'8.

[Kawhitstorm]

Stokes is short bro. No place for him in San Antonio with Gasol, Aldridge,Anderson, Dedmon, Bertans eating all the bigs minutes.

Fathead/Bertans aren't keeping Tristan/Love off the offensive boards, Stokes is built to bang w/ those guys.

[apalisoc_9]

Fathead/Bertans aren't keeping Tristan/Love off the offensive boards, Stokes is built to bang w/ those guys.

They wont but they will play those minutes when they're playing shitty ass teams so even against shitty teams..the minutes wont be available for him

[SAGirl]

I'm depressed about all of them. That's why I keep hoping to see an announcement that they've signed Bourousis.

What I feel pretty confident in is that Stokes is one of those unfortunate guys who can put up solid lines against D-League level competition. But because of his (lack of) height, he's not going to be able to handle NBA big men. It's a shame, and I really feel for the guy.

Do you guys remember how frustrating Dejuan Blair was? He had flashes of being good, but also seemed to keep having a lot of "bad games"? Blair had a lot of heart, and was reasonably athletic. But after a while it became clear to even the bandwagoners that he was just too damned small to ever be consistently good in the NBA.

Blair had a standing reach of 8'10.5". Stokes has a standing reach of about 8'7". That makes it pretty tough, when you're going against guys like, say, Tiago Splitter or Enis Kanter or Steven Adams, who all have a standing reach of 9'1.5". That's 6 1/2" inches that Stokes is giving up, when it comes time to go up for rebounds, or to try and block a shot. If he was a guy who could jump out of the building - then maybe. But he's just about average in that department. So what is it that's going to allow this guy to overcome that height disparity?

Yes, he was very good in D-League. And, yes, it would make a great movie if he could play with so much heart that he could sky over 7-footers and exceed everyone's expectations. I'd pay to see that movie. But it's not going to play out in real life. It's not fair for a guy like that who wants it so much. But if the Spurs are so weak in the middle that he somehow makes the regular season roster, he's going to be even more frustrating than Blair. Potentially a LOT more frustrating. Personally, I don't think it can happen. If it does, I'll still be happy that someone in his situation can get paid and get a financial boost in life. But it won't bode well for the Spurs' season. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to admit it.

That's my dissertation on Stokes. I'm done.
Thanks for sharing. I got to agree on Stokes. I don't think he ever makes it past garbage time personally and you are right it's a shame bc he's got good instincts on the boards, does a lot of blue collar things that stand out and was active running the floor and in PnR. I suspect in upcoming games they see him as a 4, just bc the way it's looking so far its Kyle as a bench 4. There are bound to be bench forwards like Dwest and Boris that will manhandle him in the post. You have to have a body to put out there on those guys... maybe that is Stokes. They also have LJC but I don't know how playable he is. We have to see if he's made improvements from last season.

I keep thinking Cady is a candidate bc he can play two positions, but even with all of Cady's standing reach and bigger body, he didn't have a better game than Stokes for example, and this was Cady's better game.

Ndoye is a legit big, but I was underwhelmed in this game that he struggled rebounding. He was active otherwise, and is definitely athletic for a guy who is a legit center, but he's obviously not skilled and him not running a decent PnR off a lob pass from Murray didn't look good.

I don't have a frontrunner myself.

[ElNono]

thanks Emperor for sharing those pics... I'm sure you had a good time with that buzzer beater :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Stokes could be as tall as 6'7" - I hear various claims. There are print references from college showing him at both 6'6" and 6'7". It's impossible to get that specific, just from seeing him next to a few other guys. But he's short to be playing the C. If he really is 6'7", then his standing reach is a little below average for that height. And if you're going to play the 4 or 5 under-height, you need to be above average.

The NBA combines are the most legit source for bio-metrics & Stokes was measured at 6'7" & he had a below average standing reach b/c he doesn't have long limbs. Carl Landry is a guy who most resembles Stokes as far as standing reach, no step vertical & body fat. Stokes has about 10 lbs of muscle on him while landry has about an inch on Stokes.



Year

Source
Height w/o Shoes
Height w/shoes
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach
Body Fat
No Step Vert
Max Vert


2007
NBA Pre-Draft Camp
6' 7.75"
6' 8.5"
248
6' 11"
8' 6.5"
7.5
31.5
36.5






Year

Source
Height w/o Shoes
Height w/shoes
Weight
Wingspan
Standing Reach
Body Fat
No Step Vert
Max Vert


2014
NBA Draft Combine
6' 7"
6' 8.5"
263
7' 1.25"
8' 7.5"
8.2
31.0
36.0



Landry was a very effective role player before he blew-out his knee:

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[Emperor]

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thanks Emperor for sharing those pics... I'm sure you had a good time with that buzzer beater :lol

Yup! :lobt2:

[Kawhitstorm]

They wont but they will play those minutes when they're playing shitty ass teams so even against shitty teams..the minutes wont be available for him

Boban was playing behind D-Worst/Diaw but he still got minutes in garbage time. Stokes/Bertans are going to be the new Boban/Butler.

[SAGirl]

Fathead/Bertans aren't keeping Tristan/Love off the offensive boards, Stokes is built to bang w/ those guys.
Not Tristan but neither is Stokes TBH. Tristan is an elite big... that's got to be Pau or LMA duty. Love, I'd throw Kyle out there and Pop already did last season in that game we lost, and we did not lose it bc of Kyle if you remember. Kyle boxed out Love well enough and got lit up at one point, but so did LMA and every other big. Just one of those games from Love. Kyle did got at Love too. He's got to grow, there is no other way but to throw him to the wolves out there and Pop will.

Bertans I don't know. He didn't rebound well even in Euroleague and other than his shooting I don't think that he does anything else well. He's one of those guys that has to be hot to be out there. But hopefully he proves me wrong.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not Tristan but neither is Stokes TBH. Tristan is an elite big... that's got to be Pau or LMA duty. Love, I'd throw Kyle out there and Pop already did last season in that game we lost, and we did not lose it bc of Kyle if you remember. Kyle boxed out Love well enough and got lit up at one point, but so did LMA and every other big. Just one of those games from Love.

Love figured out his role in Gm 7 of the the Finals & will have to stick to it unless he wants to get traded for Cousins.:lol

Blair gave the Mavs quality minutes in the 2014 playoffs, that's going to be Stokes role.

[apalisoc_9]

Love figured out his role in Gm 7 of the the Finals & will have to stick to it unless he wants to get traded for Cousins.:lol

Blair gave the Mavs quality minutes in the 2014 playoffs, that's going to be Stokes role.

Man..this is going to be another long ass offseason. When is training camp? Septmeber?

[GSH]

The NBA combines are the most legit source for bio-metrics & Stokes was measured at 6'7" & he had a below average standing reach b/c he doesn't have long limbs. Carl Landry is a guy who most resembles Stokes as far as standing reach, no step vertical & body fat. Stokes has about 10 lbs of muscle on him while landry has about an inch on Stokes.


Yeah, I learned to be skeptical of measurements, even from the combines. I don't know how it happens, but I've seen them miss some pretty badly. But you're right, they are the most legit source we've got. (Actually the European measurements are almost always legit, but that's another story.)

For whatever reason, the standing reach numbers always seem to be pretty accurate - or at least pretty meaningful. Kawhi has a standing reach of 8'9" which is just freakish for his height - and you can see the results on the floor. Blake Griffin has a standing reach of "just" 8'9" (not good considering his height), but he jumped over a freaking car and dunked the ball. The point is, the guys with that kind of unusual athleticism are instantly recognizable, and Stokes isn't one of them.

I'm really tired of arguing about it. We'll see what happens as the season gets closer, but I still say that if he makes the regular season roster, it will be a feel-good story. But it won't be a feel-good season if the Spurs are reduced to giving him regular minutes. If he's not getting minutes, then it really doesn't matter who's sitting in that spot on the bench.

[ceperez]

Since Murray started playing, Forbes and Simmons has struggled, definitely not a coincidence

Even at this level, you need team mates that will help you to score. Forbes needs to be able to receive balls at the right spot. Simmons can't beat people from the dribble. Anyway, team play is a mess and I don't see why we need Anderson on the court to play hero ball.

[TheGreatYacht]

Jesus Christ. If fathead plays backup 4..... :lmao

Stokes is only 22 and he's a bruiser. Pick him up.

Also at the people worried about his height....lol. He's a power forward. Those don't come in at 6'11 anymore, they're centers now. In today's league 6'8-6'9 is the perfect size.

[ceperez]

Final play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llA1iar-2_s

Watch the complete lack of enthusiasm by Murray. Right now, he's still an immature kid with an inflated ego (courtesy of Lebron James' agent).

Hope he spends all his time in the D-league getting over himself.

[waisman]

dont come milutinov ?

[TheGreatYacht]

Yea, Dejounte isn't a towel waver that's for sure :lol

Still looks a lot better than the first two picks in the draft though :tu

[kobyz]

Final play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llA1iar-2_s

Watch the complete lack of enthusiasm by Murray. Right now, he's still an immature kid with an inflated ego (courtesy of Lebron James' agent).

Hope he spends all his time in the D-league getting over himself.

He is upset with Simmons lack of passing and taking bad shots all summer...

[Spurtacular]

Me, too! Jimmer is open on every possession - about 5 feet into the front court, waving for the ball with both hands! :lol

26 pts as he led the team to a rout is the headline I'm seeing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQE9MbOtXgk

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

Final play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llA1iar-2_s

Watch the complete lack of enthusiasm by Murray. Right now, he's still an immature kid with an inflated ego (courtesy of Lebron James' agent).

Hope he spends all his time in the D-league getting over himself.
Is this sarcasm?

[Darius Bieber]

Final play:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llA1iar-2_s

Watch the complete lack of enthusiasm by Murray. Right now, he's still an immature kid with an inflated ego (courtesy of Lebron James' agent).



Gotta say the same about Parker then too. Even Pop showed enthusiasm but not Tony.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61Qa6Y76Bg

[Obstructed_View]

The first half of last night's game literally put me to sleep. Went back and watched the second half this morning.


Dejounte still looks good. There are some warts in his game, but nothing terrible. He doesn't seem like an unwilling passer to me. He's confident, maybe cocky, but a camp with the Spurs will beat that out of him. I think he didn't react to the Simmons game-winner really well because he was still worrying about trying to advance the rebound he got, which he got yelled at for. Not knowing the rules would be kind of embarrassing. I doubt he was angry that someone else got the game winner.

Stokes looks okay to me. I was impressed with his hustle and his smarts. He missed a layup, got his own rebound, and -unlike almost every other big in the world- turned around and fired the ball out to a teammate to reset the possession instead of trying for another contested shot in the paint. He had several really nice passes to teammates and he's very physical. He's not any more dominant in the summer league than Jeff Ayres, but you'll almost always take a smart, energetic rebounder on your team.

I seem to recall that a lot of ST thought Cady should work on his three pointer, and he didn't look like a useful big last summer. Cady looks like he's really worked on his big man skills, from rebounding to shot blocking to just minding the paint. It's a big turnaround from last year. We'll know more once we see him and LJC in the same game.

After seeing Forbes the last couple of games, I'm even more hopeful that we'll see Hanlan get some minutes going forward.