Official 2016 Summer League Thread

[sasaint]

Bertans? His game is nothing like Tiago's. At all.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point...

I thought it was a refer nice to Tiago's fragility.

[tonight...you]

I thought it was a refer nice to Tiago's fragility.
Ah. Thanks! :toast

[SAGirl]

I thought it was a refer nice to Tiago's fragility.
Exactly, more to the point, Tiago started getting hurt more and more after he got his big contract.
The reference was that I hope Bertans stays healthy for us and when time comes, he will be paid if he's earned it. What I don't want is a Tiago Splitter situation, where he seems healthy for a season or two, then after that it all comes crashing down (again)

[tonight...you]

Exactly, more to the point, Tiago started getting hurt more and more after he got his big contract.
The reference was that I hope Bertans stays healthy for us and when time comes, he will be paid if he's earned it. What I don't want is a Tiago Splitter situation, where he seems healthy for a season or two, then after that it all comes crashing down (again)
I think that Bertans is more of a fighter. He fought back to be the player he was after some pretty destructive injuries.
Tiago would sit for weeks on end from things that nobody could tell what was going on.
He'd strain something and be gone for forever. Davis (from what I've seen) fights to get back on that court.

That's a big difference to me.

[r0drig0lac]

Ulis 3-17, good thing we dodged that :lol

is just the summer league, and he already proved that it is good, but to become a something in the nba with its size is very difficult

[TheGreatYacht]

People thinking Mills was enough to get Dieng :lol

Their 3rd string PG Tyus Jones might be better than Patty

[SAGirl]

I think that Bertans is more of a fighter. He fought back to be the player he was after some pretty destructive injuries.
Tiago would sit for weeks on end from things that nobody could tell what was going on.
He'd strain something and be gone for forever. Davis (from what I've seen) fights to get back on that court.

That's a big difference to me.
We will have to see bc health is not something he can control. Pop still sits Kawhi for what seem like booboos to some ppl, and bruises. I am just saying, he got severe injuries two years in a row... if that trend of being fragile is going to continue, it would be nice to see it early... not that I am wishing for it to continue. I rather he stay healthy.

[tonight...you]

We will have to see bc health is not something he can control. Pop still sits Kawhi for what seem like booboos to some ppl, and bruises. I am just saying, he got severe injuries two years in a row... if that trend of being fragile is going to continue, it would be nice to see it early... not that I am wishing for it to continue. I rather he stay healthy.

I see where you're coming from, but his injuries were pretty straight forward and understood from the circumstances that made them happen.
Tiago was a bit more... nebulous with his injuries.
He'd have a groin pull and be out for... forever.

Those are different injuries than a blasted ACL. His were soft muscle tissue injuries and they were recurring at an alarming rate. I think Bertans will be more healthy (knock on some hard wood) than Tiago.
I hope...

[SAGirl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=430&v=-gQRlUHB1vU

[NikosChelsea7]

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[ace3g]

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[K...]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=430&v=-gQRlUHB1vU

I watched that whole video and there was no Kyle or Simmons. Fuck that.

[SAGirl]

I watched that whole video and there was no Kyle or Simmons. Fuck that.
:lol:toast

[sasaint]

Exactly, more to the point, Tiago started getting hurt more and more after he got his big contract.
The reference was that I hope Bertans stays healthy for us and when time comes, he will be paid if he's earned it. What I don't want is a Tiago Splitter situation, where he seems healthy for a season or two, then after that it all comes crashing down (again)

I thought your point was quite clear. Thanks for figuring out my garbled, auto-corrected, un-proofread post! :toast

[raybies]

Well maybe our two losses weren't so bad :lol both teams we lost to are in the finals against each other. Wolves-Bulls. If they didn't sit Kyle we could of easily win back to back.

[raybies]

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No Spur...

[TimDunkem]

Why would there be?

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Weren't the Wolves the lowest rank team going into tournament?

[raybies]

Yes^^

[SAGirl]

When RC sat our MVP, it was game over. They didn't have anyone else who was consistent and nobody else stood out. Jonathon scored well in the two games the team lost, but was very erratic in his passing and had a bad shooting night the first game. Hard to be a notable if he's not wining games where he's being featured. Dejounte played well last game when he was featured, but was very inefficient in the other games and him and Simmons didn't play well off each other. None of the guys were consistently dominant let's just say. Bertans only played one game.

Realistically this SL spurs team had way more talent than the one from last season, but they didn't all coincide at the same time.

Hopefully next season Dejounte, Bertans, Milutinov, and pick 2017 take SL by storm again.

:flag:

[Kikoluna]

That big guy Payne from the wolves is gooood. Also , lol, at somebody calling Kyle mvp......of the Dominican republic league, maybeee.

[palangi]

That big guy Payne from the wolves is gooood. Also , lol, at somebody calling Kyle mvp......of the Dominican republic league, maybeee.
You've made your dislike for Kyle well known. Try not to make every post you make about him now.

[playbonner15]

That big guy Payne from the wolves is gooood. Also , lol, at somebody calling Kyle mvp......of the Dominican republic league, maybeee.

Kyle was SL MVP last year though

[Keepin' it real]

I assume we've seen the last post from anyone wanting the Spurs to sign Lorbek ...

[ismael-robert]

Tyler ulis topping rookie ladder after summer play
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/07/17/2016-17-rookie-ladder-summer-league-edition-4/index.html?ls=iref:nba:specials:homepage:t1

[ace3g]

What a shot by Tyus!!!

[ace3g]

what a game!!!

[Spurs9]

:wow

[siraulo23]

damn :lol

[raybies]

Yeah really good game

[raybies]

Please let it be sudden death

[raybies]

Omg!!! Epic game!!!

[ace3g]

madness!!!

[Spurs9]

Valentine is dat dude :lol

[siraulo23]

gg

[raybies]

Why can't NBA games be that good?

[raybies]

... it's only summer league, but I guess...

[raybies]

Gotta love bulls coach talk about changing the culture with thibs in the house. Awkward..

[tonight...you]

Holy. Crud. I couldn't tear my eyes away.

[raybies]

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[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKkcKe-sM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJpjCmzuyQE

[Spurs9]

755236644094083072

Already out doing Parker, I like it.

[tholdren]

Already out doing Parker, I like it.
He sucks. Remember Kyle Anderson and Simmons balled out in SL - they are terrible in the NBA. This loser has terrible assist stats for a PG in the SL. He's a 2. And not an effective one.

[cd98]

He sucks. Remember Kyle Anderson and Simmons balled out in SL - they are terrible in the NBA. This loser has terrible assist stats for a PG in the SL. He's a 2. And not an effective one.

Anyone that thinks he's replacing a healthy Parker next year is an idiot, but he has a lot of potential at 19. He may be a gem in time.

[Spur|n|Austin]

He sucks. Remember Kyle Anderson and Simmons balled out in SL - they are terrible in the NBA. This loser has terrible assist stats for a PG in the SL. He's a 2. And not an effective one.

Saying "he sucks" is a pretty dumb thing to say. The kid's 19 with lots of room for development. If you're looking for a starting PG his first year in the league, you've got the wrong guy.

[Obstructed_View]

Saying "he sucks" is a pretty dumb thing to say. The kid's 19 with lots of room for development. If you're looking for a starting PG his first year in the league, you've got the wrong guy.

If you're looking for someone with useful basketball takes, you've got the wrong guy, tbh.

[tholdren]

If you're looking for someone with useful basketball takes, you've got the wrong guy, tbh.
lol glad the "takes" police is here. What exactly have you posted significant in 37k posts besides, the cool duncan pic?

[bic50]

He sucks. Remember Kyle Anderson and Simmons balled out in SL - they are terrible in the NBA. This loser has terrible assist stats for a PG in the SL. He's a 2. And not an effective one.

Better then jimmer. Bonner >>jimmer

[tonight...you]

Better then jimmer. Bonner >>jimmer
But is Jimmer better than The Room?
http://67.media.tumblr.com/4b14bb85ea638db156bfbe8b977ecbcb/tumblr_mhefp6keVr1r7rc8oo4_500.gif

[raybies]

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Was my pick for the draft, being touted as Marc Gasol type .

[tonight...you]

755966544388194304

Was my pick for the draft, being touted as Marc Gasol type .
He even looks like Marc when he was a teenager.

[raybies]

He even looks like Marc when he was a teenager.

I say this from the beginning of the draft that Lakers had the best draft. They got two potential all stars in one draft. I like their core note than Utahs, cause they actually got star power. But knowing the way they do business they'll trade some of these guys for a star that becomes available or they'll get buried on the bench. How they just build the right way.

Russell
Clarkson
Ingram
Nance/Randle
Zubac

Nice core. I'm high on them.

[tonight...you]

I say this from the beginning of the draft that Lakers had the best draft. They got two potential all stars in one draft. I like their core note than Utahs, cause they actually got star power. But knowing the way they do business they'll trade some of these guys for a star that becomes available or they'll get buried on the bench. How they just build the right way.

Russell
Clarkson
Ingram
Nance/Randle
Zubac

Nice core. I'm high on them.
Yeah... I hope they trade some of that talent away in the next couple of years too soon.
There's some legit stuff floating around on that team.

Dammit.

[raybies]

Yeah... I hope they trade some of that talent away in the next couple of years too soon.
There's some legit stuff floating around on that team.

Dammit.

Although a renewed rivalry would be fun as long as we dominate them. They got a bright future. Good coach, good young core, Mitch is usually solid and they are LA .

[tonight...you]

Although a renewed rivalry would be fun as long as we dominate them. They got a bright future. Good coach, good young core, Mitch is usually solid and they are LA .
I wouldn't mind them rising back at all... as long as our team remains heads above them.
I look forward to Kawhi owning Kate Moss Ingram next year, head to head.

Should be a learning experience for the kid.

[BillMc]

One wonders which Spurs rookie will have the greatest impact in his first year, Murray, Bertans, or someone else?

I'd go with Murray longterm but Bertans this year.

[SAGirl]

One wonders which Spurs rookie will have the greatest impact in his first year, Murray, Bertans, or someone else?

I'd go with Murray longterm but Bertans this year.
Me too, bc the comparison isn't fair. Murray is 19 and looked like a high schooler at basketball at times.. Bertans is 23 and played professionally I'd say at least 3 years that he wasn't injured. He knows his game and his role and he can shoot. Murray was definitely a potential pick.. to me he has a high ceiling but he will have a lot of growing pains along the way. I'd start working on that shot non stop.

[SAGirl]

I say this from the beginning of the draft that Lakers had the best draft. They got two potential all stars in one draft. I like their core note than Utahs, cause they actually got star power. But knowing the way they do business they'll trade some of these guys for a star that becomes available or they'll get buried on the bench. How they just build the right way.

Russell
Clarkson
Ingram
Nance/Randle
Zubac

Nice core. I'm high on them.
Like them too, though Russell is kind of a headcase, tailor made for LA. They should keep them and grow that group but the pressure will maybe get them when they underachieve this year. A move for Russell Westbrook you think? Maybe Clarkson gets on the trading block. Russell can play off the ball and being a good passer would go better with a Westbrook type. I like the Wolves too of the young teams, and Milwaukee is interesting though they are probably going to remain bad.

[SAGirl]

755966544388194304

Was my pick for the draft, being touted as Marc Gasol type .
Looks good. Kind of wish we had him. Damn with Pop not having Milutinov over, but I can see why they didn't pass on Dejounte. We need athletic guards badly, really, really badly.

[BillMc]

Like them too, though Russell is kind of a headcase, tailor made for LA. They should keep them and grow that group but the pressure will maybe get them when they underachieve this year. A move for Russell Westbrook you think? Maybe Clarkson gets on the trading block. Russell can play off the ball and being a good passer would go better with a Westbrook type. I like the Wolves too of the young teams, and Milwaukee is interesting though they are probably going to remain bad.

Does Jim Buss have time to grow them? Isn't he supposed to turn it around (whatever that means in Lakerland) this year, or he's going to get whacked by his little sis? Long term, Jeanie will probably give the job to Phil. The Knicks job is just self-training and killing time.

[raybies]

One wonders which Spurs rookie will have the greatest impact in his first year, Murray, Bertans, or someone else?

I'd go with Murray longterm but Bertans this year.

Yeah, the safe bet is Bertans. It shouldn't be too hard to supplant Simmons from the second unit. Simmons will have his moments turning the ball over and all bertans has to do is knock down the open shot and stay healthy. He's shown to be an elite shooter over seas so that's check. The question is health. But i admit I'm holding out hope that Murray miraculously takes over starting point guard duties and sky rockets onto the scene. This giving us new life and blood as we can increase our odds at a chip. One can dream right...

[BillMc]

But i admit I'm holding out hope that Murray miraculously takes over starting point guard duties and sky rockets onto the scene. This giving us new life and blood as we can increase our odds at a chip. One can dream right...

Right. He looks too raw now. But the great ones learn fast. Look how fast Kawhi came on his rookie year? A quick ascension by Murray would be incredibly helpful to this team no matter where he was in the rotation.

[cutewizard]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Murray-plans-to-bring-a-different-confidence-to-8347148.php

[SAGirl]

Does Jim Buss have time to grow them? Isn't he supposed to turn it around (whatever that means in Lakerland) this year, or he's going to get whacked by his little sis? Long term, Jeanie will probably give the job to Phil. The Knicks job is just self-training and killing time.
Yea I think that is the problem they have. They barely developed while Kobe was there to begin with. They weren't focused on winning bc they wanted to tank and they weren't really featuring their guys like a team that is developing. It was patently obvious that they were sat to close out games, lest they came in with game winning shots, specially Russell. He's a kind of headcase, but they really held him back. I don't know about you, but I remember we came pretty damn close with some nail biters against Lakers even last season and that was with Kobe in full chucker mode. Russell does have ice in his veins, capable of making big shots and can post up Tony and Mills no problem. Clarkson is very athletic. The two of them gave us trouble.

Really one of the reasons I see Dejounte being able to play sooner than he might ready to direct a PG spot, is that already Tony plays off the ball a lot. The Spurs needed a guard with size and athleticism. It's not just Curry and Westbrook and Irving right now. The youngest guards are out there, who will be killing the Spurs in a couple of years are big guards: Russell, Clarkson, Mudiay, Cameron Payne, maybe Exum (still don't know what he is, he was very young his rook season and had never played professionally and then he got injured. He underwhelmed but to me the jury is still out. I don't condemn players who are still that young.)

Now that I think about it, don't they have a more promising roster than 76ers? Maybe even Boston, bc Boston missed on a lot of picks.

There is pressure for Jim to turn it around. I don't keep up with Lakershow so I don't know where they stand with this group. It might be better to give them at the very least a season and go from there. It's what I would do. Any star they bring right now is not going to be in the same career track as them and will put pressure to get some other star and next thing you know, they are back at mediocrity and squandered their assets.

[Em-City]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Murray-plans-to-bring-a-different-confidence-to-8347148.php

Can we get some excerpts

[ElNono]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Murray-plans-to-bring-a-different-confidence-to-8347148.php

paywall-free version:
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Murray-plans-to-bring-a-different-confidence-to-8347148.php?t=83ace00fbfc6ed8151&cmpid=twitter-premium

[SAGirl]

Yeah, the safe bet is Bertans. It shouldn't be too hard to supplant Simmons from the second unit. Simmons will have his moments turning the ball over and all bertans has to do is knock down the open shot and stay healthy. He's shown to be an elite shooter over seas so that's check. The question is health. But i admit I'm holding out hope that Murray miraculously takes over starting point guard duties and sky rockets onto the scene. This giving us new life and blood as we can increase our odds at a chip. One can dream right...
Everything you state here I agree with 100%
1. I wish Pop would really start to phase the team to somethone new and as you know I made a whole list of grievances and proposals. :lol It really depends on Dejounte himself and how he's showing up in training camp versus Tony. I would not even mind to see Pop start with playing Dejounte and Tony together, so that Tony can provide help for him and even guide him. I really don't know how Kawhi is as a leader, that is why I suggest Tony and Dejounte together on the floor so Tony can help as needed and keep communicating. It would spare Tony ego for now and maybe when Manu does retire next season, Tony does move to the bench and Mills moves on. (Danny would sacrifice some minutes to develop Dejounte in this scenario, but he can play with the second unit having Manu and Kyle there to get him open looks and he can bail Dejounte out if he's screwing up and raising Pop's ire.)
2. Simmons might be limited to playing when Manu rests under a scenario like that ^ though in reality he will still play a lot with Pop's experiments. IMO Simmons is under some pressure bc him and Dejounte are very similar and both need the ball. For Simmons to separate himself he needs to become the superior defender.

Who knows? I am a newcomer relatively speaking to the Spurs and this is uncharted territory for me.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Was there ever any news as to why Milutinov never played SL?

[raybies]

paywall-free version:
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Murray-plans-to-bring-a-different-confidence-to-8347148.php?t=83ace00fbfc6ed8151&cmpid=twitter-premium

Excellent article. Haven't seen this. :tu

[raybies]

Was there ever any news as to why Milutinov never played SL?

Nope nothing. Was seen there with the team but never played.

[r0drig0lac]

One wonders which Spurs rookie will have the greatest impact in his first year, Murray, Bertans, or someone else?

I'd go with Murray longterm but Bertans this year.

bertans

[Keepin' it real]

Although a renewed rivalry would be fun as long as we dominate them. They got a bright future. Good coach, good young core, Mitch is usually solid and they are LA .


I wouldn't mind them rising back at all... as long as our team remains heads above them.
I look forward to Kawhi owning Kate Moss Ingram next year, head to head.

Should be a learning experience for the kid.

:lol Lol that's not a rivalry.

[tonight...you]

:lol Lol that's not a rivalry.
True. :lol

[SAGirl]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2652762-the-3-biggest-takeaways-from-the-2016-nba-summer-league
Basically sums it up:
1. Don't expect much from the rookies. They didn't shoot very well on average.
2. The sophomore class looked spectacular and really deep even lower in the mid teens and further in the draft. A lot of good players.
3. Devin Booker looks like an all-star, averaging 6.5 assists, he's turned into a playmaker and that was not a part of his game that was a known quantity. Still so young. They are selling him as a Klay Thomson 2.0. I think he will be better. Thomson is a great shooter but was not as creative off the dribble or for teammates.